Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[unreal merlin]

walking barrage is also an acceptable alternative, I think it has a higher cooldown though and I like short-cooldown stratagems more

[tight zephyr]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AseFi_4EQKQ

[idle hollow]

what’s you guys best method for getting super credits

I am very far behind in the passes because the last time I really played was when the rocket missions were added

[tight zephyr]

I just run 1s and 2s while listening to podcasts and spacing out.

[idle hollow]

yeah that seems to be the general consensus

[stark ether]

personally i do trivials find a planet that has maps without chunks missing circle the map complete objective and extract, avoid flag missions or anything long

[idle hollow]

easy bab mission and hit all the POIs

[stark ether]

if you want to go really try hard, do above but alt+f4 when you loot the last poi

[idle hollow]

Also I feel like I’m being gaslit do the 100 super credit piles exist

I’ve never seen one

[stark ether]

they do i got one yesterday

[tight zephyr]

Why is the Scythe so huge?

[strange vine]

no idea why the model on the ship is so huge, its normal in mission

[supple siren]

It seems to be getting incrementally larger too

[tight zephyr]

I think someone on the dev team is doing A Silly.

[high epoch]

I have. Extremely rare tho. Genuinly.

I've gotten 3 ever, 1 for each 3 sessions of 6-8 maps. Bunkers are the good stuff.

[tight zephyr]

Also the Gloom is still there. Guess we're just not doing anything about that.

[tall stone]

Our science got sabotaged by fake samples.

[unreal merlin]

It's not like the Terminid menace will ever actually be a problem, there's no way that they could evolve some new horrible mutation behind the Gloom. Our Democracy Officers have assured us of this.

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> once again, your Democracy Officers tell me that those SQUID ANTI-VOTERS need fought! Join me!

[oblique hazel]

I can join in ~45 minutes if you still need another by then

[tight zephyr]

I got some time.

I do need to practice against the Illuminate more.

[unkempt river]

Sweet, one sec, refilling my liquid

[tight zephyr]

Because holy fuck these squid have hands, presumably on the end of their tentacles.

Like this.

[unkempt river]

in vc

[tight zephyr]

I'll be along in just a minute.

[keen zinc]

I will join if that's okay

[unkempt river]

sure is, get in here

[strange vine]

God I love the little beat of "We've analyzed their attacks and we know confidently where the next attack will be." before the Illuminate attack a completely different planet.

[cobalt patrol]

I loved the "Well, we wiped them out!"

squids immediately atack again

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/12/the-new-nvidia-app-is-probably-hurting-your-pc-gaming-performance/

[tight zephyr]

The Breaker is great for the Illuminate.

[strange vine]

https://fxbsky.app/profile/the-red-right-hand.bsky.social/post/3ld7zkg6zb22y

[cobalt patrol]

WHOOPS

[tight zephyr]

Went back over to the Automaton Front for a little bit. After fighting the Illuminate so much the past few days, it was really refreshing. I kind of forgot how much fun it is fun to fight the bots.

[glad marsh]

Ye

We think we prefer the launch factions for the time being

But Illuminate are probably gonna be our 2nd place once we figure them out (and when they get a bit more on their roster)

[keen zinc]

I feel similarly

[unkempt river]

I really like Harvesters

[smoky sinew]

Waco mission when

[unkempt river]

I think Overseers need to be dropped into the nearest sun

And the zombies lost Voteless are weirdly less threatening than the bugs until they reach critical mass

[keen zinc]

They're more dangerous when they surprise you than bugs imo

Also I have to say

I don't like the reworked jump pack

I miss my old vertical hop

[glad marsh]

Hey so
Secret level right
The Helldivers show up in it
Just
Thought that'd be mentionable here
(Though it's just for that big crossover episode)

[keen zinc]

The new massive momentum makes it more useful in a useless use, map traversal, but less useful in a useful use, taking good positions

Cannot easily hop onto rocks/buildings like you used to

Since you're so prone to just ragdolling or being unable to grab and climb up over a ledge

[strange vine]

i mean it still does that well? you have a slight forward momentum but i can still easily get up places

[keen zinc]

It doesn't feel nearly as controllable or vertical as it used to, it's very touchy between being able to land on something in combat or just ragdolling

[hearty pier]

I find it throws you around a lot less if you don't hold forward as you come into land. Not 100% sure of why, but I find myself falling on my face less that way

[strange vine]

i think its something to do with that change they made to prevent fall damage from jetpacking

[shy prairie]

I feel the same

there's some rock spots that are better now? but getting on top of a crate is more tricky ime

[supple siren]

I find if you hold backward you land fine atop whatever

[neon plover]

just reinstalled this game after eight months away

still a pretty good time

[hazy oriole]

i like new jetpack as escape and engage, and rotations feel really nice with it

[short rune]

The changes they made to the jumppack were really good

It feels much more viable now

[verbal summit]

Yeah

Plus it's funny

[stone bridge]

it is very funny seeing these two side by side

[unreal merlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1208390071074562139/1318831462039945326/image.png?ex=6763c103&is=67626f83&hm=c2770ab65b30473954b853f19ca0226369c322e182942c1acbb5a647219e7433&
Illuminate nerds get btfo

[vestal trail]

We're definitely the good guys everyone, yessiree Bob

[hexed steeple]

<@&1206091872716595200> it's squid killin time

[cobalt patrol]

D10?

I can be along in a moment

[quick plinth]

spoiler pls for those who don't want spoiled

[cobalt patrol]

It's not spoilers it's lioterally in the store right now

with uh, horrible prices

[unkempt river]

how bad?

[stone bridge]

I think someone fucked the numbers

Because this is only going to piss people off badly

Extremely headass decision

[quick plinth]

WHAT

oh

NOOO

not a warbond???

[short rune]

Hmpf...

I don't like this a bit.

[trail nymph]

This reeks of Sony management

[quick plinth]

keep in mind

[short rune]

Worst thing is, I will probably end up buying some items... Fucking FOMO

[quick plinth]

in the first game

every weapon DLC was paid

[short rune]

Yeah

And they were criticised for it a lot IIRC

[oblique hazel]

"It could be worse" is not a reasonable justification for shitty monetization

[burnt vapor]

True but they still technically are you just can grind for the premium currency

[verbal summit]

Don't know why they'd do this.

And to think the other stuff that was shown as spoilers will then also be in superstore.

Didn't they already make enough selling the game?

[short rune]

The prices are outright criminal. Yeah.
Next to the fact that I would have preferred if they at least tried to maintain the immersion

[burnt vapor]

Welcome to games as a service

[short rune]

Like replacing the emblems with skulls

[trail nymph]

This set costs 1975 super credits that’s £16

[verbal summit]

Tbf super earth would be a capitalist hellscape probably.

[trail nymph]

That’s 2 warbonds

[burnt vapor]

Yeah no I’m good thanks

[verbal summit]

I get warbonds n all that. But this just sucks

[short rune]

I hope it lets me pick singular items

Rather than having to buy everything

[verbal summit]

Omg the dog got off my chest I can breathe again

[unreal merlin]

The above images are in the store for individual purchase

There's also the actual warbond

[trail nymph]

Super Store only

[burnt vapor]

Oh so there is a warbond as well?

[vestal trail]

There's no warbond to my knowledge

Unless that's what they hinted would be dropping on the 23rd in the announcement

Also comparing stats, the StA-52 is basically just a higher mag, faster firing Liberator that loses the scope for iron sights

[quick plinth]

and has more recoil

[unreal merlin]

Maybe I'm missing it up, I know there's A warbond coming and I thought it was out with this

[quick plinth]

yeah

this is all just super store

[tardy onyx]

It's labeled premium superstore. I hope a warbond comes but there's no guarantee.

[quick plinth]

I wonder if these'll rotate back?

or is it just a one and done?

[unreal merlin]

Follow the link to see all the text but tldr this is a premium superstore rotation that's part 1 of 2, part 2 is coming on 23DEC

[trail nymph]

That’s going to have the light armour, the smg and the burst rifle

[quick plinth]

welp

yknow what that means. . .

SC farming!

[unreal merlin]

Yeah it's sc farming time 😔

[shy prairie]

Wishing you folks a very fortunate +100 SC

[cobalt patrol]

Ye, at some point i'll have to do some. at least we've got time.

but still. Grumpy.

[alpine seal]

you had a good thing going, arrowhead! complaints were minimal about the warbonds!

though i can't factor out meddling from the big guy up top, there was already a banner set up and everything and since it's a crossover and anything implementation might have been more direct from sony, like a deadline or so. slope just got a lot slipperier though, i hope this doesn't set a trend

[verbal summit]

I'll be on holiday by the time the light armour comes around. Guess I'll just get it next rotation.

If at all

[unreal merlin]

Andar and Acubens under attack, both finishing in 9 hours from now. At current rates Andar will be won in 7 hours which won't leave enough time to swing Acubens, so there will need to be a surge of population somewhere to win both.

[stone bridge]

This is 200% corporate interference lol

Let's be real

If someone at Arrowhead actually, indepedently, gave the go ahead for this free of Sony meddling, they are boneheaded and seemingly learnt nothing

But that feels unlikely

[tardy onyx]

Also it's a shame it's the Killzone 2 version and not the original version with the G36 style scope/carrying handle and underbarrel shotgun. But they probably wanna save their first gun with an underbarrel for another actual warbond.

[trail nymph]

If the first gun to have an underbarrel was a time limited crossover this situation would be a whole lot more worse

[tardy onyx]

True.

[odd arch]

"we do crossovers only if and when they make perfect sense for the game"
then why did we get helghan armor instead of whatever Space USA that turned helghast into helghast was called

not that I'm complaining because Space USA got no drip

but it's pretty clear which faction super earth has more in common with

[quick plinth]

right

but helghast are more overtly fascist

aesthetically at least

[odd arch]

killzone was a funny series because it had to navigate a plot of fascism vs fascism while still finding a place for the player while not being too controversial for a flagship title

[shy prairie]

Quite easy to read "good drip is one of the requirements for a thing to make perfect sense for a crossover" out of that dev(?) statement imo

[burnt vapor]

Drip > Morals
Just because the drip belongs to the worse guys won’t stop us from shamelessly wearing it while spreading freedom

[odd arch]

I was making a half joke about how Space USA was the worse guys,

(not in text but many instances of helghans punting babies read like panicked additions after they realized people were rooting for them a bit too much)

[quick plinth]

Harvester
strafing run > wasp burst mode

pretty consistent kill, overall loving the wasp launcher

[burnt vapor]

They just need to stop giving the bad guys better drip

[unreal merlin]

It's not the bad guys' fault that all the red/black/dark colors and angular armor plating is visually appealing

[tall stone]

Ok, since this is official crossover stuff, I understand why this stuff is in the super store

I don't like it, but another company should also get their cut.

[strange vine]

Killzone is also owned by Sony though

[tall stone]

Guerilla games is the Dev studio behind it, and they still exist.

So yes, both games are owned by Sony and that is what makes this crossover possible.

And Guerilla Games is still existent because they're the ones who made Horizon Zero Dawn and the like.

[strange vine]

Tbh this was still disappointing since its basically twice the cost of a warbond for like half the items

Absolutely sony meddling

Given we had the warbond image already

At the very least the wasp will be free

[tall stone]

That is true.

Keep in mind that I said I don't like it still.

[hazy oriole]

Man i was saving up for the warbomd too.

Genuinely ruined my morning

[strange vine]

Yeah opposite of christmas present lmao

[cobalt patrol]

I dont thin kwe have any proof of that <.<

[strange vine]

Literally confirmed by devs on the official discord and the announcement mentions it as a reward for an MO

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1316987449448075354/1318924736339902505/image.png?ex=676417e1&is=6762c661&hm=542c084161784f2e1190429254be554fc5dcc656f84f11f1a44d99e209b9d80c&

[cobalt patrol]

dramatically whipes away sweat with a big phew

[strange vine]

Also wasp is a free stratagem rn

[unreal merlin]

Speaking of, I'm not confident we're going to get another buzzer beater double defense dunk with Andar and Acubens. The former is on pace with the invasion but right now that doesn't leave enough time for everyone to swing over to Acubens as well

There's nearly 6k over on Gatria (bugs) not making any progress at all, not that I expect 6k to really be a tipping point if they relocated

[quick plinth]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/4ELimcaz3A

[unreal merlin]

The population is currently in a low trough timezone so it'll spike back up over the next 2-4 hours

[unreal merlin]

I love how the E/AT absolutely dunks on the entire concept of automaton missions

[quick plinth]

currently work time in EU, sleep elsewhere

[unreal merlin]

Currently at 66k pop vs a peak of 144k yesterday so the surge will be huge as EUTZ afternoon starts rolling around

[quick plinth]

to be fair

the 200k pop spike was update launch and a weekend

[unreal merlin]

Sure of course

[short rune]

Okay. Checked the items out.

They are very well done. All assets are brandnew

A shame AH decided to put them overpriced in the store

Rather than like... selling them as Bond like intended

[strange vine]

blaming sony for this

[short rune]

Yeah

[strange vine]

warbond feels like the intended release and sony said "okay but we want more money"

since they already had the warbond store image

[short rune]

It was intended.

But yeah, it smells like something Sony would push

Would be cool if they made all future armours like that one tho, design-wise

[idle hollow]

how do i move the fastest possible

even in light gear i feel slow

[verbal summit]

Jetpack I guess

[idle hollow]

i guess

[trail nymph]

Advanced infusions booster

[verbal summit]

I'd love an armour that allows you to hover with the jetpack

Not a forever however but yknow 10 seconds, 5 seconds, something like that

[trail nymph]

Give it time I think something like that is most likely in the works

[verbal summit]

Yeah

[trail nymph]

I’d say some sort of grav pack similar to the elevated overseerers

[verbal summit]

I also feel like the eruptor can be a bit weird at times. Like I'll shoot it into a group of votrlesd and only get 3 kill when it was like 5-7 voteless in a group tightly bunched up

Whereas the crossbow doesn't seem to have that

For as far as I know the eruptor edplodes into shrapnel and maybe it's just that the shrapnel misses a lot and that's why. Only some shrapnel directions only actually hit enemies whereas the crossbow just explodes.

[idle hollow]

I feel like I'm falling over way way more with the jetpack

[verbal summit]

Same

[unreal merlin]

Medical armor + stim booster + jetpack, stim and run far and fast

[verbal summit]

Yeah

[trail nymph]

I’d aim for the for the floor as the eruptors shrapnel pattern is the same as the frag grenade

[verbal summit]

I tend to do that yeah

The real issue is that in urban maps the eruptor can "bounce" off the streets so I have to get enough of an angle to shoot the ground.

Otherwise I have to aim for the enemy.

Tho maybe I should switch off explosive primaries for illuminate

[supple siren]

I've enjoyed the crossbow against them but getting photobombed by a Voteless mid-shot and self destructing does kind of come up a lot

[trail nymph]

Take to the rooftops

[verbal summit]

I use jetpack so I can get distance for that reason yeah

[supple siren]

Been loving the jet on the urban maps

[verbal summit]

Yes

[tall nova]

I need to find a good loadout for the squids

[verbal summit]

I was trying to climb the buildings but a harvester destroyed the one I was on

[tall nova]

It's hard to deal with every enemy type for them

[trail nymph]

Oops all lasers is my go to loadout

[verbal summit]

My personal is AMR, now explosive crossbow instead of eruptor, jetpack, the pokey spear and those thermite grenades.

Amr handles the medium units and 4 shots to the harvester joint and 1 shot to the horn to disable shield.

Crossbow deals with hordes.

Pokey spear for up close.

Crossbow also deals with harvester shields.

So I'm not particularly anti heavy or anti horde but I fit well with my team to take on both tasks and especially to preemptively get rid of medium units.

In the non urban parts I shine cus I snipe away all the medium units from points of interests and bases.

I also use the AMR for bots cus either 1 (headshot) or 2 shot (missed the first headshot) to devastators, 2 shot to hulk eyes and great for picking off stuff. Then my primary is the pummeled and I use the energy directed shield.

Then extra stratagems for bots is the anti tank emplacement and idk the last one yet and for illuminate I'm not sure for the 2 slots I have left but I'm thinking HMG emplacement, anti tank emplacement feels less useful.

[unreal merlin]

Essentially what I run, it's quite good. I use gas nades but I should just use impact napalm

[verbal summit]

I guess becs7se the illuminate lack real heavy units the at emplacement feels less useful.

[supple siren]

Am i wrong in feeling the machine gun sentry kind of outperforms the rest of the turrets just by cooldown alone

[verbal summit]

Tho I'm thinking of switching to energy directed and pummeled for illuminate or to jetpack and an AR.

[supple siren]

Like the others aren't more potent to the point of justifying another full minute

Maybe mortar on occasion

[unreal merlin]

Go with HMG emplacement, it absolutely dominates everything squid right now

[glad marsh]

Mmmm
I get crossovers but putting guns in the superstore still feels off :(

[trail nymph]

Primary: LAS-5 Scythe
Secondary: LAS-7 Dagger
Grenade: Impact

Strat 1: Orbital Rail Cannon
Strat 2: Orbital Laser
Strat 3: LAS-98 Laser Cannon
Strat 4: AX/LAS-5 "Guard Dog" Rover

[unreal merlin]

Mg sentry is incredible with the low cooldown, very flexible and doesn't burn itself out of ammo like Gatling

[glad marsh]

If they make them more permanent though, I'd be a bit more okay with it

[verbal summit]

I'd love to see snipers get longer scopes tho and maybe different ammo types or something idk. Snipers feel rather bland.

I also need to remind myself to change my controller sensitivity cus I noticed in a video how slow it is lol.

[unreal merlin]

AMR is very good vs squids, DCS too. I can see how they might be a little bland though

[verbal summit]

I love amr cus big rifle

And tbh amr doesn't need anything other than longer scopes

[supple siren]

Make the AMR louder

[verbal summit]

But the other snipers just feel rather pointless to me when amr can do their job

[glad marsh]

wait it's out???

[trail nymph]

For a limited time

[verbal summit]

And with every faction I need a weapon to deal with large numbers so I'm going to have to have a weapon for that whcih a sniper is not. Then i could use a machine gun special weapon but then I lack anti heavy ability.

[trail nymph]

And only on squid planets

[unreal merlin]

The trick is you bring DCS and then a stalwart or MMG to use as your actual primary

[glad marsh]

Aww :(

[verbal summit]

I did that but with eruptor and stalwart on bugs

[glad marsh]

It's at least gonna be coming back as a proper strat though right?
Okay we scrolled up and saw it, yippeeeeeee

[verbal summit]

But yeah then I lack anti heavy stuff whcih I accepted on bugs I guess

Tbf I like bots more than bugs and I don't have a very consistent bug loadout.

[unreal merlin]

Well snipers in general are impractical vs bugs

[verbal summit]

Yeah

[trail nymph]

Depends on how we do with the major orders

[verbal summit]

Snipers v bots sounds good n all but I need something to take care of the larger number of weaker units and i need an anti heavy which I can't have both unless I use the AMR whcih I do

Tho that new sniper from the collab has potential.

[glad marsh]

There's no way the playerbase is gonna give up a RYNO

[unreal merlin]

I don't think we're gonna be able to steal Acubens this time

Andar will probably be fine

[verbal summit]

I needa try out the wasp launcher. But I also wanna change some settings so I should just go to a lower difficulty mission with a friend to try out some things.

[trail nymph]

Not a chance

[heady halo]

rocketlauncher yin name only

[verbal summit]

I struggle to run backpack weapon loadouts cus I always fele like I could be using the backpack for a jetpack or something but yea

Maybe this launcher I'll try for bugs

Oh right only illuminate for now

Team reload is a solution to my problem I guess but I'd have to have a willing teammate who sticks with me.

[glad marsh]

Oooo

That'd be neat, missiles everywhere

[supple siren]

Still weird to me that you can't team reload a friends' backpack

It seems physically easier to do

[verbal summit]

There was a small period where I was the expendables factory with the commando and the eats and a jetpack which was fun I could try that again.

[indigo bear]

Liberty dang it, I was just saying last night how I was hyped for the crossover warbond.

Then they give this superstore super crap.

[verbal summit]

Oh yeah that's weird

[indigo bear]

Have they said anything about the availability of the Killzone stuff?

I see that this Part 1 will be in the store for 5 days, then Part 2 starts for 5 days. But do those 5 days elapse and then gone forever or is this an annual event?

[golden ledge]

https://x.com/Pilestedt/status/1869346994097213479?t=xJeJwPThX2sLOirUeJKBLg&s=19

Pilestedt (@Pilestedt) on X

@BrianPR9 Yes, and we are updating the store to ensure that there's permanence in some form. The rotation is getting a bit too long.

Twitter · Dec 18, 2024, 11:40 AM

[trail nymph]

I’ll be doing some super credits farming later if people are interested in joining I’ll ping closer to the time

[indigo bear]

I'm sure plenty of us will be shaking loose change out of cargo containers the next couple weeks

[keen zinc]

We are farmers bumbadumbumbumbumbum

[sage plume]

do people wanna shake out some cash out of containers with me <@&1206091872716595200> ?

[keen zinc]

Be there shortly

[heady halo]

likewise

[sage plume]

eta? (no rush just curious)

[keen zinc]

Within a few minutes

Oh I see

I have been usurped

It's fine

[sage plume]

dw were waiting for you

[keen zinc]

Oh is alisteir just watching

[sage plume]

for now you did reserve the spot

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-kitty-cat-happy-excited-gif-20777520

[wide star]

ah just got back home

but i take it you got 4 then?

[indigo bear]

I'm down if we want a second squad

[trail nymph]

I’ll be on shortly

[heady halo]

hell yea squad 2

[indigo bear]

I don't know how to make a VC room, so someone else has gotta do that

[wind arrow]

what difficulty is zenos' lobby in? and are you taking strays if the difficulty is low enough that i'm not a significant liability

[indigo bear]

Sorry we ended just now. But if folks are SC farming, generally you play on Difficulty Level 1 - Trivial

Btw, bought the Killzone assault rifle in the Super Store.

Do not buy the Killzone assault rifle in the Super Store. It's just a very slightly tweaked base liberator.

[quick plinth]

I like it honestly

even if its just a slight tweak and basically just pretty animations and sounds

[keen zinc]

this i like

really wish we could remove the decal tho

[quick plinth]

wouldn't be a crossover item then

[high epoch]

collab stuff looks cool. might grind sc later.

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> It's time to farm

[sage plume]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-gif-1489225195979366584

[tall nova]

I prefer that. I'm fine with superstore stuff being basically just cosmetic

[steady flame]

Hey er, @keen zinc crew, you at 4/4 or is one just watching?

[indigo bear]

Yeah, I can appreciate that. Just a bit sour that it's a full weapon without a distinct identity.

Would have preferred it to be a skin of the Liberator

[hazy oriole]

how much does everything cost?

[indigo bear]

#1204832579287519292 message

[hazy oriole]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT?!!?1/

500!?!?!?!!!

FOR THE FUCKING ARMOR?!!?!?!!!!!!!

615 FOR A FUCKING LIEBRATOR RESKIN!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!

slamming my head repeatedly into the nearest hard surface

actually fucked

[indigo bear]

Yup

100% absolutely

I think, were I Arrowhead, I would do a 'Happy Holidays from High Command. Here's 1000SC on us, teehee!' With how badly this crossover seems to squander revived goodwill.

But, I feel this is extremely unlikely.

[hazy oriole]

ugh.

it's already been a long enough day

[tall stone]

I'm doing the way simppler thing of just not buying the crossover stuff.

[spare verge]

same, hopefully it makes a statistical point

[hazy oriole]

im probably not gonna either, which is a shame because i really want it, but i genuinely don't want them to think this is okay

[neon plover]

Yeah unfortunately sales numbers are probably going to be the most effective feedback

[uncut hatch]

You guys are buying super credits?

[quick plinth]

unfortunately

not everyone has the free time to grind SC

[neon plover]

I haven't bought any yet. I'll probably end up getting some of the bonds once I'm done with the free one

At least there, there's a very clean one-to-one where the 1000 SC pack gets you one bond with none left over

[tall nova]

I'll simply choose to not use the superstore

I've bought SC before, but I'm just not gonna buy this. I don't need to purchase every little thing

This isnt great, but it's not a big deal so I'm not gonna worry about it

[high epoch]

sucks but. i want that armor. farmin time.

[tall nova]

It takes a while to get sc but compared to farming in any other game it's not too bad

[uncut hatch]

Idkkk up until the squids dropped finding super creds was pretty slow when Im playing 10s, im like 3-4 bonds behind and I play quite a bit

[tall stone]

I have bought SC once for Viper Commandos

[strange vine]

im gonna save up some SC for the SMG and sniper rifle

actually here, since its not gonna be a warbond anymore ill post the videos showcasing the weapons

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316987449448075354/1318618669986615306/RRwb_SNIP_vid.mp4?ex=6762fad5&is=6761a955&hm=d7a3d2bf55bedd4e4918bc24374a9032b88833e804f8b053a27274803c051d27&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316987449448075354/1318618672201203742/RRwb_AR_vid.mp4?ex=6762fad6&is=6761a956&hm=96d2cdc7e68daa8052a043888537fb17b541ca391f160e5ade4b7df18683a296&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316987449448075354/1318618674717917257/RRwb_SMG_vid.mp4?ex=6762fad6&is=6761a956&hm=e28508933670863676a07c8087ad3f7c74186cf27ff8ee9c3368be242daaed54&

the plasma sniper rfile is gonna be the most interesting, imo

so if you buy any weapon it should be that one

[uncut hatch]

Plasma sniper looks sick but they got the super soaker smg in there

[graceful bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1869022401692160332

[quick crown]

[graceful bluff]

Also those weapons look incredibly bad tbh

[steady flame]

Is it just me or is the StA-11 just a Bizon?

[graceful bluff]

Yes, it's the squirt gun

[tall stone]

Ok, so I have a friend saying that the Killzone crossover doesn't feel right because it messes with the lore

And I feel like, based on the little I know, Killzone feels like something that could happen in Super Earth's past.

[dusty spruce]

Helldivers could easily have a Helghan-like planet and civilization about

[tall stone]

The protagonist faction also feels incredibly Siper Earth

*Super

[covert umbra]

since they're both sony properties i'd fully expect a destiny/marathon crossover btw

[dusty spruce]

I’m a little disappointed if there is no story blurb for the crossover.
If it’s going to be expensive the least we can get is a little fluff

Also thought this was supposed to be a warbond, not a superstore thing?
I sense some producer meddling here

[covert umbra]

yeaaah this is definitely them testing the waters

they probably could have gotten away with it if it was just the armour and it had like a previously existing passive

[shy prairie]

Pretty fair to have assumed it would be a warbond

But also to my knowledge we never saw leaks for:
Grenade
Booster
Secondary weapon

[indigo bear]

Would have been nice to have a little bumper on the ship's TV for the crossover. Just a little 'Due to logistics issues from the unprecedented re-emergence of the hateful Illuminate, the Martian Museum of Munitions is leasing out old (but functional!) pieces from its archives.'

[high epoch]

honestly it gives me the same vibe as the legionare armor which hints to some of super earths history after the last great war when the population came together to rebuild.

it's very i guess... robust...

so i guess you can lump the armor in with the legionare stuff.

'armor from a less democratic time'

[glad orchid]

Crossbow and spear are weirdly effective against illuminate overseers

Especially with peak physique armor

[tight zephyr]

Wait the Killzone collab is real? I thought it was a joke.

This begs the question: “Why?”

Killzone hasn’t been relevant in like a decade.

[idle hollow]

what's effective against the tripods

and where's their weakpoints?

[unreal merlin]

The eye is one option, but a much easier target is the segments from the main body to the legs. Focus those with medium+ penetration stuff (HMG, AMR, EAT/Commando, RR, etc) and it'll kill them very quickly.

[supple siren]

Railgun twoshots a strider leg but is... less effective against the rest of the illumis

[unreal merlin]

Yeah as of now I wouldn't bother with the railgun vs squids. Overseers tank it too well and Voteless are billions.

MMG is a very nice middleground for dealing with the entire roster.

[idle hollow]

i find that the plasma rifle is good against the overseers

i also like the shock shotgun

paired with the revolver

[unreal merlin]

Plasma weapons do very well, particularly the Purifier which two-shots any overseers and can crowd-clear Voteless.

[odd arch]

this would be the perfect time to release that metal storm disposable MG that many (included myself) have always wanted in true shared neuron fashion

[unreal merlin]

Ah yes, the BRRRRRRRRRT

[idle hollow]

i really want the disposable MG back

from helldivers 1

[supple siren]

What was its like specialty

[hexed steeple]

also a sony property

[tall stone]

Killzone does mesh with Helldivers thematically

[tardy onyx]

I'm curious what I had a franchises they might think about collabing with.

[glad marsh]

iirc I think they were gonna do a 40k collab but something happened to cancel that :(

besides that though, absolutely no clue

[blissful sparrow]

Gamesworkshop didn't want to work together with people who say the facists they portray are the bad guys

[glad marsh]

it would be hilarious to see a Halo ODST one though (even though that'll never happen cause Sony could never. Maybe a Destiny collab IG?)

[unreal merlin]

They're already back at it. Despite running 10s it feels like I'm running 3s - there's just no enemies on the map. I think they all froze.

[tall stone]

GW also says that the Imperium is not the good guys. They are just the most popular faction and thus get the spotlight

[tight zephyr]

Destiny would be fucking hilarious. Imagine the psychotic reaction Super Earth would have to the Traveler.

[tall stone]

Shoot it, simple.

Also, the real reason GW probably didn't collab is a simple: They have a competing game in the exact same genre.

[tight zephyr]

Oh yeah, I played that.

I went back to Helldivers...

[supple siren]

Wait which one, Space Marine 2 or Darktide

[tall stone]

Yes

[supple siren]

I think they're all wonderful but the gameplay of Helldivers is somethin goofy and special

That and high level Darktide is a bit too demanding

SM2 kinda just ran outta content

[steady flame]

Hey erm.. Question: How's the RR against Harvesters? I can use the Breaker against anything less, but I dunno what to bring with for them.

[hazy oriole]

if you get the shield down with something else it oneshots to the leg joint

[unreal merlin]

RR works if you (or someone) breaks the shield and you hit them in the leg. AMR does the same job with 4 clean bullets to the leg. HMG/MMG same deal, just focus the leg.

[steady flame]

Ooh, I like RR.

[unreal merlin]

Quasar works, EAT, Commando, etc.

[hazy oriole]

i've heard railgun can also tap the joint but idk how good it is vs overseers

[steady flame]

Really, the Quasar works?

[supple siren]

Rr also oneshots warp ships in the tummy

[unreal merlin]

All with the prerequisite of "hit the leg" and "have something/someone else break the shield"

[odd arch]

harvesters don't have the bulk to call for a whole ass RR imo

[steady flame]

Oh no, I remember doing that a couple of days ago as part of a RR crew.

AIM away message (she/they) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) Rr also oneshots warp ships in the tummy

[supple siren]

The Exosuit gets em in two rockets, pretty solid use too

[indigo bear]

Patriot Exo is my MVP for Squids at the moment

[supple siren]

An exosuit with double machine guns would take their whole faction apart

Dismantle entirely

[unreal merlin]

Next time you do a blitz with a team, bring 4x exosuits (2 of each) and split into pairs with 1 of each type.

Exosuits just walk over voteless and annihilate overseers and harvesters

[tardy onyx]

There was the release twitch drop totally not Halo armor.

[uncut hatch]

the new airburst missile support weapon is sick

[shrewd tiger]

Anyone want to hop in Horus for some diving?

[uncut hatch]

i can join in a min

[strange vine]

whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeMP0f2JLPo

[strange vine]

hey uh

check meridia

the black hole's looking...off

[hazy oriole]

can't get on right now, can you send a picture

[iron path]

wait wait wait, killzone???

I just saw the price tag, nah I'm good

[supple siren]

Yeahh I hope sales are awful and player response has them rethinking things

[iron path]

Also the helmet looks a little... goofy?

[supple siren]

Our more human-ish proportions do make it a bit awkward

[iron path]

True

[supple siren]

folks in Killzone were beefy

[iron path]

Yeah Meridia looks freaky

Not good!

[indigo bear]

The helmet looks a little better in heavy armor with the brawny body option. But yeah, it is kinda big-head mode otherwise

[supple siren]

it does also have the angry eyes of a cartoon skeleton

[indigo bear]

I actually like the angry cartoon skeleton vibe.

Enhances the comedy when you see someone wearing it get ragdolled

[merry tartan]

615 super credits for a gun is like actually criminal what the fuck

[strange vine]

@hazy oriole

[neon plover]

this is probably fine

[hazy oriole]

oh GOD

[hazy oriole]

500 for armor makes me even madder tbh, if only for the fact that i actually really want it

[tall stone]

Well, you want to hear something I think may help?

When will you need 50% resist to Gas, Fire, and Electricity?

[hazy oriole]

It's the acid resist that I really really want given no armor has that, but extra survivability vs teamate stratagems would be really nice

I'd also want it if I ran flamethrower into Illuminate

[tall stone]

Chemical has that.

Chemical has a 95% Gas resist.

Cutting Edge has 95% Electricity Resist

Flame has 95% Fire Resist.

[hazy oriole]

The acid resist specifically, bug acid resist, is something no other armor has

Gas and acid are seperate damage types, no?

[burnt vapor]

True but even 50% acid resist won’t do much because iirc bug acid spew is actually a large part explosive damage for some reason

[oblique hazel]

Yeah, fortified armor will help you a lot more vs spewers and titans than this will

Bug acid is IIRC stuff like the bile bug and spore charger death burst

[tall stone]

Yeah, that's just explosive damage.

[tight zephyr]

I don't like the new launcher, but I can see how it might be useful.

[limber pike]

I love the new launcher but it’s extremely situational I am curious on how effective it might be on bots 🤖

[tame scarab]

hey so uh

can someone please check if meridia is still there?

[tight zephyr]

Dude we shoved that thing in a black hole months ago, don't worry about it.

https://tenor.com/view/democracy-helldivers-2-helldivers-gif-15492972563778475164

[high epoch]

they're clawing there ways back from galactic hell

[tame scarab]

yeah a friend had a bug where it disappeared entirely

[heady halo]

the bugs have all been co pressed i to one single very large bug

[civic apex]

https://fixupx.com/JosephF62710202/status/1869349830239334888

drop side 2 on em

[strange vine]

i dont think its any less situational than the AC, tbh, its a very effective anti-medium weapon

[glad marsh]

Yea that's the vibe I'm getting as well, can't wait to test it on bigger targets from other factions

[shy prairie]

no sight i like seeing more than the poi where they've been growing those sweet sweet yellow flowers

conversely i have zero clue where they hide the samples in those heavy illuminate encampments

[unreal merlin]

In other news, today's update of the war is

• illuminate invasion at Gemma, current defense is behind but not by far. When EUTZ afternoon rolls around in about 7 hours we'll have 3 hours left to push it over the finish line
• bugs are still holding Gar Haren (next door to car factory) and invading Fenrir (next door to Meridia), they will most certainly take those though since most people are fighting squids
• bots are being held at Shelt and it's slowly being liberated (0.019%/hr), there's a potential play to be made at some point of sniping Vernen Wells via Lesath which would server the line of bot planets and fragment their front line

[trim breach]

I really, really, really, hate the Illuminate jetpack guys.

The fact they can take four autocannon shots is ridiculous

[unreal merlin]

Overseers are weirdly durable to things you think would do really well such as AC. The most surprising thing I've found to use against them? Default Liberator. Just hose down there center mass and it breaks the armor and kills them in a second.

Once again the Liberator proves to be insanely versatile and effective, they actually gave us the best gun as starting equipment

[oblique hazel]

I've been loving both the purifier and breaker incendiary against them too

Purifier 2 taps them with fully charged shots, and they cook real fast once lit on fire

[quick plinth]

the wasp one tapping them is so fun

[unreal merlin]

The wasp is neat, I think it's way too good at what it does though.

[burnt vapor]

Yeah the way their armour works makes slow firing guns very ineffective unless they have a way to bypass it like Purifier’s explosive damage

[unreal merlin]

I shouldn't be able to pop 7 overseers from 300m away, one rocket each, with no more effort than looking in their general direction and noticing that something is getting locked

[quick plinth]

okay but

it gets swarmed voteless

isnt that great at killing heavier enemies

and sometimes misses

[unreal merlin]

Voteless and harvesters are honestly trivial to deal with and it has no range limit. It's not useful at close range or in dense areas like cities (and forests whenever that comes up) but it's 100% braindead interaction.

[quick plinth]

it has the same range limit as the spear

and you can make the same arguments for it but for heavy enemies

its basically a medium target version of the spear

I don't really think it's that great overall,

both the wasp or the spear that is

and we still don't have illuminate elites to deal with it, so I will concede it's a bit stronger against them rn

[unreal merlin]

My stance may be changed if the illuminate enemy roster changes, but as it stands the wasp effectively nullifies overseers (and watchers) as a threat, and that's what I consider the most actually challenging enemy at the moment.

[quick plinth]

but as it stands, it would also invalidate devestators and striders

spewers and commanders

stalkers too maybe?

it's a smart AC with less ammo but more ammo efficiency against mediums

[unreal merlin]

I didn't get to that point because we haven't been able to test it yet, but I expect similar results too

Devastators are the actual threat infantry of the automatons, same with brood commanders (though bugs have a wide and fast enough roster of light and heavy threats that this isn't as much of a factor(

Getting swarmed by hunters > getting swarmed by voteless or raiders

[quick plinth]

largely the biggest threat in high difficulty bots is the sheer volume of ranged fire they can bring to bare if you don't kill them fast enough

[unreal merlin]

Speaking of, the cannon emplacement is what trivializes high level bots now. Find a decent elevated rock or hill and just go to town deleting devastators/hulks/tanks/cannons/factory striders/assemblers from afar

[quick plinth]

and I'd argue much like the spear, the wasp's job is much better done by it's dumb equivalent, (RR, AC/Spear, Wasp)

[quick plinth]

yeah

I feel like they're gonna have to cut it's ammo in half or something

[unreal merlin]

I wouldn't use it often against bugs like I do bots but there's absolutely room for it at high levels to clear all the big stuff out.

E/AT + MG Sentry is the way

[quick plinth]

basically stuff like the RR, AT/E, Wasp even

require you to have someone running security so you can do your job

[stone bridge]

I'll be real, I don't even think the Wasp is much chop

[quick plinth]

translation?

[stone bridge]

It's not that good

[quick plinth]

yeah, its just a smart AC that's worse than it, kinda like the Spear in that way

[unreal merlin]

I think it does one thing and it does that one thing too well.

[stone bridge]

Again, like, not really

It does it easier

AMR one taps Overseers too

Is the AMR too good into Illuminate?

[unreal merlin]

But this is being tested against limited illuminate so it's not good testing

[stone bridge]

Because you need to land headshots?

[daring monolith]

hmm

I think the illuminate are heading to meridia

each invasion has been further and further towards the bug front

[stone bridge]

That's the implication, yeah, they're going to link with the main invasion fleet

[unreal merlin]

I think AMR is a better fit because you actually have to engage in aiming the thing at the very least. The wasp is easier yes, and I think it's too easy. Is it more acceptable to say it's too easy instead of "it's too effective at one-shotting medium enemies at distance because of its fire and forget nature"?

[stone bridge]

Nah, I don't think that's true at all when it pays for that effectiveness through the nose

[quick plinth]

again I think you can make the same arguments for the spear Salad

[stone bridge]

It has a grand total of 28 micro missiles vs the AMR's 6 magazines of 7 in the mag + 1 loaded

[quick plinth]

isn't it 35?

7x5, 7 per big one, 1 in the chamber 4 on the back

[unreal merlin]

7x5, yeah

[stone bridge]

True, point stands though

It's also a backpack weapon

[quick plinth]

yeah

additionally with the AMR you can carry even more ammo with the siege ready perk

not drop with it though

[unreal merlin]

I don't think I agree still. My play with it leads me to believe that totally nullifying an entire category of enemies that I consider the only real threat in the faction makes it too easy and too effective compared to any other option I've tried.

[quick plinth]

Salad, the Wasp is in the same boat as the Spear

its a F&F version of a weapon in the same class that does it's job well but pays for it in ammo amount

other weapons do it's job better but require skill rather than being F&F

[unreal merlin]

I can't concur on the ammo point because I'm a diligent scavenger and the only time I've ever run even remotely low on ammo is defense missions where I deliberately burn through it all

[quick plinth]

I can't see 35 rounds being enough in hectic situations

especially NOT when you only get 7 per mag and have to STOP DEAD to reload

it's really not as good as it feels

[unreal merlin]

I don't know how to convey that I somehow manage to not let this be an issue.

I don't have ammo concerns, I don't have any problem with reload immobility because I keep good spacing and clear the area or duck into cover.

I figured out how close is too close, and how to effectively target from different angles.

[quick plinth]

tbf most of my testing has been soloing, and I'd much rather have an AMR or AC in that situation than the Wasp

[unreal merlin]

At this time I don't know what to suggest for it though. It's not really valid to recommend what exactly the issue is or how much it overshadows other options when all it's being used against is essentially one type of enemy

[unreal merlin]

Comparatively I am regularly in full teams of 4

[quick plinth]

I'm also regularly that one diver you see spilt from the group just doing objectives and clearing out outposts on their own

[unreal merlin]

I concur if I were running entirely solo I would be using an AMR instead, but perhaps for a different reason - that being the AMR lets me kill harvesters with 4 bullets

Wasp can kill harvesters but not efficiently.

[quick plinth]

I found the combo of strafing run and a couple of swarm missiles to work well

alternatively someone else breaks the shield and you unload 1 mag of swarms into it

arty mode seems entirely useless as of rn, im sure it's better into other faction patrols

[cobalt patrol]

...i friendly punched a perosn, and htey died from flying off the cliff and into a wall D:

[unreal merlin]

I think I'm dissatisfied with swarm missiles into harvesters because I and the people I play with are very good about just hosing down the leg joints with HMG fire or other traditional AT to just instantly kill them.

I'll usually be running HMG emplacement as my harvester insurance stratagem, and incidentally it also works great against the other stuff

[quick plinth]

on the account of firing the same calibre as the AMR

AMR, HMG and HMG/E all fire 12.7x100

just different variants of it

[unreal merlin]

Yeah, for all their advanced technology the illuminate still hasn't figured out how to protect against huge bullet

[glad marsh]

Consider that:

• if they get too close, it just won't work
• you are going to be seeing more than 7 overseers on the average drop on diff 8+
• you have to deal with a stationary reload

Plus all the stuff havoc said

I think it's good that we have a thing that excels at medium killing and nothing else

[quick plinth]

HMG/E - 12.7x100mm FMJ
HMG - 12.7x100mm BCHP
AMR - 12.7x100mm EIT

[glad marsh]

Wasp will be so useful into bots

I wonder if it'll lock on to flyers

[quick plinth]

doubtful

probably gunships though

[glad marsh]

ye, that's what we meant
We also meant shriekers too though

[quick plinth]

doubtful bout the shriekers is what I meant

[glad marsh]

Ahhh

I see I see

I think I agree, but we have no idea what weight classes of bugs it'll actually be able to hit tbh

[unreal merlin]

• I change to my primary and fighting retreat, often with a mg sentry nearby which cuts them down for me
• rockets can and often do multikill, and going from 9 overseers to 3 with next to no effort on my part is very good
• I reload and restock constantly, at every POI I come across, and so am rarely out of ammo
  Personal experiences, all not empirical study.

I think it wouldn't lock shriekers cuz they're too "light" I think. They're fragile babies.

Gunships, probably

[glad marsh]

Ye

Definitely gunships

[quick plinth]

we're not saying you cant minimise the weaknesses of a weapon

thats how you make it work well

[glad marsh]

We just think it's actually pretty balanced, all things considered

[quick plinth]

what we are saying is that there are other weapons that do the same job, the same if not better without said weaknesses but also without being F&F

[glad marsh]

Hmm
Out of curiosity
Have we seen if there's a difference between the round types on the AC against overseers?

[unreal merlin]

Sorry to say I'm not particularly convinced, but I appreciate the input on this from you both.

[glad marsh]

We do think it's weirdly good at killing overseers compared to everything and we have no idea how it actually does that

[unreal merlin]

I don't think there's any special considerations besides Flak being much easier to detonate around flyers than direct fire but that's obvious.

If you only get a proximity explosion then of course they take less damage and it takes more to kill them.

[glad marsh]

In literally any other case, WASP feels about as effective as an AC against heavier stuff, but it kills Overseers faster than anything in the game

But I have no idea how it actually does that

Wait

No way

Is it cause the missile somehow gets under their armor??

That has to be it

[quick plinth]

it's like a tandem projectile, two warheads, one for the ablative armor one for the kill

my frame of reference and knowledge sees it that way in any case

alternatively

[unreal merlin]

I do think it's bypassing armor somehow, if it wasn't then we'd be seeing AC with similar effect I think

[quick plinth]

it just explodes in a very small but strong explosion, bypassing the armor entirely like the purifier and crossbow do so they can 2tap

[glad marsh]

Thing is

I've gotten them to 1-tap

Multiple overseers clustered together at that

[unreal merlin]

Wasp definitely will get multiple if they're close together, not even mentioning Artillery mode

[glad marsh]

I just gotta know how it does that when nothing else will

RR shots get eaten by those things

And it's not like SPEAR can lock them

AC takes as many hits as a Scorcher in my experience

And yet
Those tiny funny missiles absolutely melt them

[trail nymph]

Could it have something to do with the angle of attack maybe

[glad marsh]

I have to assume it figures out how to get into the tiny gaps between their plates

What's weird is when it kills multiple at once

[quick plinth]

as I said

likely a small but extremely strong explosion that kills them outright

probably almost perfectly matched damage values

that's one way to code it

[glad marsh]

Mmm

Yeah
Right
It's got way more explosive damage than kinetic damage, whereas the weapons I mentioned lean heavily towards kinetic (or are plasma)

Which.. also makes its especially clear that illuminate race soldiers are extremely weak to explosive damage

[unreal merlin]

"ah yes, the aliens are weak to explosions" -

[glad marsh]

Y'know

You didn't have to do that :(

[unreal merlin]

I'm sorry it wasn't meant to be personal.

I was internally laughing at the idea of super earth scientists having that revelation

[glad marsh]

In your defense, I'm probably about as intelligent as an actual Helldiver

At least when we're pulling the 4th all-nighter of the week (thanks cat)

[unreal merlin]

Like yes it's so obvious, how did we not notice before now that donating a backpack of Semtex next to an object or creature will kill it?

"their weakness is bullets and blood loss!" - helpful tutorial npc

[quick plinth]

apparently command bunkers are armor 6 and the AT/E can pen them and kill them at extreme ranges

[glad marsh]

We weren't actually sure if AOEs got under their ablative plating or not, but well
Now we know for sure

Explosion good :)

[quick plinth]

yeah

[trail nymph]

“These shields are proving quite formidable do you have any advice Mr. Scientist?”

[quick plinth]

that's mostly why purifier and crossbow 2 shot em, they bypass the armor

[unreal merlin]

Yeah it takes 6 shots iirc

Which is nutty with how much ammo and range it has

[trail nymph]

“Why yes you just need to hit them really really hard.”

[unreal merlin]

The bane of diff10 bots is one Helldiver with an AT/E on a hill in the middle of the map

[quick plinth]

very map dependant

you can achieve a similar effect with a buddy loaded spear

https://youtu.be/PNLQojomV1g

[unreal merlin]

We really need these squids to buzz off for a few days so we can do some bug and bot theatre maintenance

[cobalt patrol]

Send them a poltiely worded letter and a gift of some fish

[unreal merlin]

Over on Hadar it felt like they were all frozen, diff10 was almost entirely absent if illuminate forces

[tall stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130677276879618139/1319291355238891581/1f4a5cc77607a393148220f12ff723c2.mp4?ex=67656d52&is=67641bd2&hm=28aab7a7df2ead0e6259082c2064e353a86fe454e5d15df097d9242f92a43481&

[unreal merlin]

Lore accurate Helldivers

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1hhng4y/since_the_super_store_is_so_expensive_now_here_is/

I love game devs but sometiems, soemtiems their resposnes have me going uh

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1hhjgr0/pilestedts_response_to_the_new_superstore_pricing/

How did you arrive at this logic?

Like if you'd dropped a 2k super credit warbond and labled it a premium collab warbond... I'd have garumped a bit, but i'd ahve been fine iwth it

[glad marsh]

Am I gonna tap the sign again?

...

I think I'm gonna tap the sign again

By the way, the game is 50 dollars where I am, assuming the next page of the collab is more or less the same pricing

Buying the super creds to get everything for it would be more expensive than the game after taxes and such

Oh wait
Before taxes it's more expensive than the game actually

[cobalt patrol]

To be clear: I am actively grumpy with how they've done this. I think the warbonds are an okay sitautioon, even if i agree with the general danger of microtransactions

but they're pretty unoffensive as the scale of offensses go, evne if they're still microtransactions and inherently Not Great

But the super store appraoch really rankles

[glad marsh]

Warbonds have been mostly fine!
I'm miffed by the trend of putting almost all new content in them so far and I don't like having to mindlessly farm for 2-3 hours to get one but...
It could be worse

Yeah it's messed up

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, ih ave complicated feelings on microtranacitons as a whole

(Short form, i actually like to be abl,e to support the ongoing dev of a gmae, because that isnt free, and i recongize there's stil.l (issues with this, and that realsitcally, very little of the moeny i pay into a game goes to the devs)

[glad marsh]

1 gun and an armor set with a couple doodads on the side should not cost more than half the price of the game

[cobalt patrol]

Esp when you've got stuff like Valve squatting hte re gulpiong down a happy 30% every time

(or however it works, fuck you Gabe you suck)

[verbal summit]

Yeah I do hope they introduce some of the stratagems through normal ways.

Or just give us a way to use requisition slips or samples for warbonds or supercredits or super store or something.

Anything

Unrelated but I like the wasp launcher.

It's really great and fills the same role as the AMR for me which is to deal with medium and heavy units.

7 shots per mag basically (similar to the amr as well) and 5 mags (counting the one in the gun plus the backpack whcih is similar to the amr again) so it's got the ammo economy to use it on anything it locks onto

And it locks onto friendly turrets and hellpod things so you can always blow up your friends turrets if you don't like em :3c

[glad marsh]

My biggest thing with the collab is the FOMO, which they explicitly marketed the game as not having, now being a notable thing for the super store.
I did hear they're gonna rework it though. But I don't know how they'd improve it besides making it a big catalog instead

Uhh but anyways, I'll stop being negative about microtransactions
I've been doing this all week lmao

[strange vine]

The wasp deals 200 AP6 direct damage and 600 AP3 explosive damage. The explosive damage is what is killing overseers well because it directly damages their health

[glad marsh]

Ye :)
We figured that out
But thank you for numbers!!

[cobalt patrol]

Explictly they want to make it a big catalog

[verbal summit]

I also feel like the wasp is in a good spot because sure it kills better than the autocannon but it can only lock onto select things which the autocannon doesn't have.

[hazy oriole]

ooo
Can't wait to bring that to bots
AP6 should crack just about anything on that front, eh?

[verbal summit]

Autocannon can just shoot whatever it wants

[strange vine]

Yeah i think the wasp is in a good place

[verbal summit]

Tho I'd say I think the spear is in a bad place. What they could do is turn it into a better long range thing by giving it like a "heat seeking" or "radar" thing to justify it being able to lock on stuff through like walls mountains and such or maybe not mountains and then let the trajectory fly over obstacles.

Idk tho

[strange vine]

Its gonna be a pretty poor AT weapon, as each reload can only deal 1400 AP6 damage. For comparison, the Commando deals 1100 AP6 damage per missile and Hulks have 1800 HP. Unless the wasp missiles hit the head or vents it wont be able to kill it in one reloas

[verbal summit]

I'd also say the spear deserves more ammo but maybe that's just me.

[strange vine]

The AP6 for the wasp is to let it hurt heavies since you cant deliberately aim for weakpoints since its lock on

[hazy oriole]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I want them to make that thing lock onto jammers and towers to make it a dedicated demolition tool
It'd help give it a niche between the RR and now the WASP

[verbal summit]

What'd also be useful for the wasp is a multilock mode where it only locks 1 missile per target but locks onto multiple people so you can take out multiple medium units at a time. Cus rn I have to shoot each overseer individually.

[strange vine]

Spear needs a longer lock on range and more damage to guarantee more one shots

[hazy oriole]

Gotcha, ty. Hopefully artillery mode can kinda do it

sorry bout the doubleping, phone touchscreen is glitchy

[verbal summit]

I imagine artillery mode also doesn't do enough damage otherwise she would've said that.

[strange vine]

Artillery mode feels more gimmicky than useful ime

[verbal summit]

I wonder if a single shot from the wasp kills devastators cus it can oneshot medium units

[strange vine]

Its more of a crow clearing

[verbal summit]

I haven't used it enough to say

[strange vine]

It absolutely can, it deals 800 damage to medium enemies

[verbal summit]

Yay!

[strange vine]

Devastators have like less than 500 hp iirc

[verbal summit]

I'm sorry AMR, it's been real, but I feel like walking around like that one heavy infantry guy from the mandalorian

[hazy oriole]

You're not alone in that, it'd be nice

[strange vine]

The wasp will be really good against mediums and "light" heavies like Bug Commanders and Scout Striders

[verbal summit]

Yeah

[hazy oriole]

ughhhh now i want a laser minigun support wep...

[verbal summit]

They could make a minigun support weapon with an ammo backpack yeah

[hazy oriole]

oh my god fuck yes let me scrap rocket striders without needing to think

[verbal summit]

Idk they could differentiate it from the other mgs by either making it more anti tank or more anti horde or something and/or give it ammo types like explosive (small explosion) or idk something else.

[hazy oriole]

honestly just making it not have to reload at the cost of limited mobility while firing/maybe an overheat guage along with limited ammo in the backpack would be good

plus a big part of The Minigun Fantasy™️ is being a slow fuck with a big gun that shoot long

[verbal summit]

True

I'd also be interested in seeing more energy weapons cus I feel like they did some but not a lot stand out, only like the blitzer the one that shoots plasma balls I forgot the name and that new plasma rifle I guess.

[glad marsh]

We still don't have a plasma support weapon funnily enough

[verbal summit]

Oh yeah I guess

[trail nymph]

the time limit for the crossover content is now 8 Days

[verbal summit]

Tho I guess the quasar probably cus that's not actually light that it's shooting cus of how slow it is but yknow in games lasers are usually not actually lasers so it doesn't count.

[glad marsh]

Ehhh Quasar is very much it's own thing

[verbal summit]

Yeah

Never bring up real physics when it comes to energy weapons tbh. Lasers are almost never actually lasers in videogames.

[strange vine]

There was what seemed to be a shoulder mounted plasma support weapon datamined in the files

[glad marsh]

I think some kind of big plasma shotgun with a chargup would be neat

[strange vine]

Only an icon

To be clear

[cobalt patrol]

...Okay, so, just...

Just give me a version of destiny's fusion rifles (Think a charge and fire gun that auto-fires at full charge, sending out multiple bolts)

Just scale it for support weapon, high proejctile speed, and good damag,e but erratic ish scatter that requires you to be up close

and i'll be happy

[verbal summit]

They could do like a cyberpunk tech weapon mechanic for a plasma special weapon. Chargeup but shoots through walls idk

[glad marsh]

You're right actually
You're absolutely correct

[cobalt patrol]

If you ever played destiny 2, something like bastion (It rapid fires what are basically a bunch of shotgun slugs at people)

[glad marsh]

What a perfect coincidence

[cobalt patrol]

Yup. I mention fusion rifles specially becuase i thin kteh feel of charge up, then it relases a hail of bolts with a lot of kick, and if you scaled the imapct force etc os you could see things get staggerd/ragdolled

it could be real fun

[hexed steeple]

i want a double barrel shotgun primary

[glad marsh]

Arrowhead gives us the damned break action already

It's right there!!
Just let us start with it!!

[cobalt patrol]

Tjey

They'd need to buff it up, it's actually kinda arse

[cobalt patrol]

Propal: Chain fed drum magize heavy shotgun.

[indigo bear]

Speaking of Destiny guns, I wonder if the intro of the Illuminate can function as a primer to the audience on Space Magic for a drip feed of Magic guns.

Like a gun that has no ammo or reload, but shaves off some health with each shot

[burnt vapor]

I mean the squids aren’t magic
They’re just advanced tech wise and use a lot of energy weapons

[indigo bear]

Aren't they psychic?

[cobalt patrol]

Implied to be!

[glad marsh]

Only the smart ones, really

They're a caste-based society

[iron path]

Looks like they're offering the second kill zone bundle for free? Due to complaints about the pricing

[verbal summit]

Oooh

Precisely what I wanted for free

Maybe I really am born lucky

[graceful bluff]

Also something called a WASP strike coming soon

which just seems unnecessarily cruel

[quick plinth]

Nalesh we've been testing the stratagem

[quick crown]

Anyone use the PLAS?

[quick plinth]

its in the game, free on the illuminate side

[quick crown]

is it cool?

It looks cool

[quick plinth]

which one

[graceful bluff]

Ah, haven't had much time recently

[quick crown]

<--- Notable Unknowledgeable about killzone player

[graceful bluff]

still need to farm up the warbond too lmao

[quick plinth]

ah

the plasma sniper?

[quick crown]

That plas-39

[glad marsh]

We don't have it just yet

[quick plinth]

yes okay

[graceful bluff]

plasma sniper looked to be the best of a bad bunch at least

[quick crown]

Ahh

[quick crown]

I thought it already released

[quick plinth]

here

its excellently matched for overseers

being a burst plasma precision weapon

[quick crown]

they def look cool

[graceful bluff]

ugh the ac1 dutiful armors really powercreepy

[supple siren]

Does the AC2 not have the passive also it doesn't seem too outrageous just good

Most of the time most of those damage types still don't apply

[quick plinth]

is it?

[graceful bluff]

50% resistance to all status

[quick plinth]

its 50% to statuses sure, but it doesn't actually do much beyond that

[supple siren]

Enemies mostly just kill ya is the thing

Good for bugs, seems

[graceful bluff]

when the specialized armors are 75%

[quick plinth]

its not more primary ammo and reload speed, its not snappier aim, its not explosive resist, its not more grenades

[supple siren]

Clearly they ought to buff the specialized ones, electricity is 95% why not fire too

Acid resistance hasn't existed before tho

[glad marsh]

I think it's fairly balanced
It's just
Yucky that it's on super duper premium armor

[graceful bluff]

yeah acid resistance is huge on terminids

[tall stone]

Arc Resistance works against a grand total of 2 enemy units

[graceful bluff]

3 enemies

you're forgetting helldivers

[quick plinth]

you'll be getting the second one for free

[glad marsh]

My point still stands

[graceful bluff]

the free ones light armor right

[quick plinth]

think so

[graceful bluff]

looks light at least

[tall stone]

So, no actually. Bile isn't acid: It's explosive

[quick plinth]

bout to log on

[supple siren]

So it's 50% resistance to Hunter Spit.. still not bad maybe

[graceful bluff]

bile spewers set to acid on the wiki at least

[supple siren]

Still more likely to bring flame resistance if I'm flamering

[graceful bluff]

the arty biles might be explosive

[tall stone]

Fire comes from Helldivers or the Planet

[graceful bluff]

or exploding jetpacks

is the gas guard dog even worth looking at btw

[glad marsh]

Or barrels

Or hulks

[tall stone]

So the armor is firmly meh in my opinion because it's hard to have all of the benefits at the same time, and you know what you're going to run into in advance

[glad marsh]

[tall stone]

Forgot about flame hulks

[supple siren]

I do have builds that are basically "BEHOLD THE ELEMENTS" so passive probably gonna be handy there

[tall stone]

But yeah. Nice to have for free, but I'd rather use my specialty tools

[graceful bluff]

it's basically an anti helldiver armor

[strange vine]

tbh 50% res is like

okay at best

its a jack of all trades when youre not likely going to be seeing half of the stuff its defending against on most missions

if youre bringing fire then youre bringing the fire resistance

if youre fighting illuminate youre bringing arc resistance

bug acid res is the only unique one and like

[cobalt patrol]

I can see myself using it, but I'm a known gas enjoyer and will absolutely combine gas and fire

[strange vine]

its still "only" 50%, the times itll save you youre usually gonna be in the shit anyway

[short rune]

AH is giving us this page for free today

[quick plinth]

it is light

[indigo bear]

Alright then, gonna go change my protest review back and buy a warbond.

[tall nova]

We're at the "we're so back" phase again

[hazy oriole]

HOLY SHIT, FREE??

[unreal merlin]

The backlash of the first half being so highly priced was successful in convincing AH that people thought the premium store split-up was bullshit, so yeah, free.

[hazy oriole]

man now i want legend of acrius as a support wep

[strange vine]

testing the plas-39, its not too good against devastators
likely cause devs have AV3, throttling its damage
needs 2 bursts to kill a dev

[hazy oriole]

How easy is it to hit headshots with it?

[strange vine]

headshots i dont think matter cause its a plasma weapon and most of its damage will come from the explosion it has

[south temple]

wait ok does the new sniper do 350 per shot?

[strange vine]

350 per shot and fires 3 shots per burst

total 1050 damage

[south temple]

FIRE

we're so back

[idle hollow]

Are they changing the price of the other half

The assault rifle and armour

good GOD

[south temple]

please tell me the SMG is one handewd

[quick plinth]

yes

[idle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/avgn-angry-video-game-nerd-what-were-they-thinking-what-are-they-thinking-confused-gif-17417919

[south temple]

PEAK

[strange vine]

right now after testing, the plas-39 is missing some 1 burst breakpoints
its killing stuff on the 4th or 5th bullet, which means you are using 2 out of your 3 bursts to kill a medium (tested on overseers, devastators, and berserkers)
i think its damage should be increased by 100 so it can hit those breakpoints

[idle hollow]

SMG is not worth it against illuminate

Can't do shit to the overseers

Not enough bullets for the zombies

[indigo bear]

The AC-1 Dutiful Helmet with the AC-2 Obedient armor has the Gone with The Blastwave vibe I was hoping it would have.

[keen zinc]

We're so back

[south temple]

thank god

[heady halo]

holy shit

i genuinely didnt expect them to make it free

[strange vine]

damn not wrong

[keen zinc]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211

[quick plinth]

the AMR round

[blissful sparrow]

MPAMHE-I/AP i guess was a too long acronym

[quick plinth]

12.7x100 EIT is in the game files

[steady flame]

That's better arranged as APHE-I.

Prudentia | LFACs given ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) MPAMHE-I/AP i guess was a too long acronym

[graceful bluff]

We should get PCB rounds, but that'd require a lot of forms

[quick crown]

How much per round

Found it

US$75 per round

[keen zinc]

APHEIT is what its commonly called

colloqually known as "apeshit"

[quick plinth]

when are we getting APFSDS

[warped cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/did-you-say-free-happy-excited-crazy-gif-18505027

[shrewd tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-11928667053720670991

[strange vine]

thanks to a friend i tried out the wasp on bot 8's
as expected its pretty excellent
1 rocket to kill a devastator. You can kill a heavy devastator in 1 as well, but youll usually need 2 because of the shield unless you get lucky with the trajectory. Reinforced scout striders require 2 missiles. It can also reliably kill gunships in 2 missiles as well. If you get lucky and enemies are bunched up, you can usually kill a bunch of devastators in a few missiles thanks to the aoe
Hulks require 2 reloads to kill unless you hit the vent. You need 11 missiles to kill a tank unless you hit the vent. 8 missiles to kill a fabricator
Its extremely fun

[hazy oriole]

oh shit, wasp is available for purchase now?

[strange vine]

no

will be after an upcoming major order

[quick plinth]

or this one hopefully

[strange vine]

nah its not an MO reward for this one, so i doubt iot

[hazy oriole]

got a buddy on playstation, can anyone confirm if the free stuff drops the same for them or no

[quick plinth]

yeah

eventually

[hazy oriole]

i mean is it available for them now or no

[high epoch]

i would think it is yes.

if play-station and pc update at the same time. which i assume they do.

https://tenor.com/view/ummmmmm-excuse-me-what-gif-19629790

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek1-shrek-and-donkey-shrek-its-quiet-shrek-its-quiet-too-quiet-gif-26487755

wait a damn minute

that's our factory world

[covert umbra]

they're clearly gunning for meridia right

[hazy oriole]

yeah

[hazy oriole]

that's our CAR factory world!!!

GET THOSE SQUIDS OFFA THERE

I WANT MY RIDE

[tall nova]

I havent been able to play since Calypso, do the squids only attack urban worlds?

[high epoch]

AYO THEY STOLE THE HONDAS

JUMP EM

[tall nova]

And have the bots or bugs been in urban worlds yet?

[uncut hatch]

Only urban from what ive seen and the other factions havent been in them yet

[spare verge]

yes and no respectively, currently it seems like the urban areas are tied to squid mission types

[idle hollow]

oh they want to get to meridia to allow the invasion force in huh

[tight zephyr]

No, we put Meridia in a black hole. Remember? It’s ridiculous to think they’re going for Meridia.

We already got rid of it months ago!

It’s in a hole! You can’t get something in a hole!

[high epoch]

yea they totally aren't gonna pull a half life and make the wormhole bigger to allow bigger scarier forces to come.

you know. like how that went eons ago.

[tight zephyr]

We pushed it somewhere else! Problem solved!

[high epoch]

and they are clashing together with the bugs too. you know. biological warfare. just like.... where have i seen this... in half life !

like if they really wanted to they can make a super weapon out of the terminids and probably are much more capable of containing them too !

if they so wish to pursue it....

[tight zephyr]

They don’t, because we already put Meridia in a hole.

[high epoch]

idk no matter how you frame it. it's very concerning !

whether x y z is possible...

also the sniper rifle isn't bad. personally i don't care for the burst fire. but it is fun and good to use. making up for the lack of ammo, pair it with a melee build aka the viper and bring a baton for the infected. you will barely use the damn rifles ammo up if you are precise.

but then again idk what other rifles one would prefer.

but it's very fun !

given idk why the sniper armor wasn't stealth given the theming....but oh well

besides the super store drama i've enjoyed the collab.

[stark ether]

uhhhhhhhhh

not sure if bug or time to panik

[high epoch]

probably a bug

[high epoch]

i also don't like the groans it's making

it's sounds horrific

and more violent

[unreal merlin]

The Helldivers have declared "Don't touch our wheels!" and mounted an intense defense of the factory world of Achernar Secundus.

[quick plinth]

I'll die before we get a delay on the FRV

[tight zephyr]

A HUNDRED AND TWENTY THOUSAND

[high epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-gif-19541609

[quick plinth]

any <@&1206091872716595200> we got a slot free

[idle hollow]

I would rather they take super earth than lose my chances at a whip

[high epoch]

we gotta get the whip back

they can't have our fuckin ride dammit

[idle hollow]

you can take my democracy but you'll never take my 2015 3.4L toyota tacoma

[high epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/tbagging-warthog-halo-odst-gif-26574680

[tall nova]

They made one big mistake. They attacked my ride

[unreal merlin]

Up to 17.8%/hr at this time. We're speedrunning this defense.

[high epoch]

as easy as chopped calamari.

the dining halls will be full today.

https://tenor.com/view/live-squid-sushi-squid-food-gif-12003594

[graceful bluff]

wait

waitwait

this is the wasp launcher from killzone?

my beloved

[quick plinth]

if it's a swarm F&F

[quick plinth]

then yes

[graceful bluff]

micromissiles best missiles

[strange vine]

I dont like this gif, whats going on

[high epoch]

the dinner.

[strange vine]

It makes me think of animal cruelty :(

[stark ether]

its not alive

iirc the sauce is acidic and sets off nerves/muscles

[unreal merlin]

it's already deceased for eating, the sodium in the soy sauce triggers the muscles to contract wildly which makes it squirm like that

[strange vine]

Interesting

[high epoch]

1. i did not know that was a thing 2. i mean to not encourage animal cruelty. i was making funny joke about xeno squid.

[idle hollow]

honestly, helldive is not very hard on the squits

probably because of the lack of units

compared to buges and bots

[unreal merlin]

It's not. They don't have enough threatening units to really be a challenge.

[idle hollow]

because there's, what, zobies, ground squids, flying squids, tripods and the drones

i might try super helldive

[unreal merlin]

I'm pretty much only doing 10s with friends and it's fairly easy.

[strange vine]

Yeah they dont have any of their heavier units

[unreal merlin]

• Liberator / Grenade Pistol / Gas Grenade
• Scout Armor (Medium)
• AMR / HMG Emplacement / MG Sentry / Eagle Strafe
  This is what I'm running around with on 10s and it's pretty consistently easy.

[strange vine]

Like if bots were constrained to hulks as their most threatening enemy

[tall stone]

I was able to solo an 8 yesterday when I got randomly kicked from a party. Flag defense too!

Granted, what saved me there was 2 SAM units being near the flags.