Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[glad marsh]

We can soon, we're going to eat an entire baguette first though

[sage plume]

respectable

[tall stone]

The end of that MO was just a shitshow.

[undone veldt]

I’m genuinely surprised that counts as a win

[tall stone]

We held it just as the MO finished, and when the DSS moved we lost it immediately

[verbal summit]

Lmao

[burnt vapor]

It really did end up being a perfect storm

[hazy oriole]

genuinely so bummed out by it
like its been hours and im still fuming a little

[strange vine]

valid, i just think its on brand and very funny that the fascist wonder weapon ended up having such a clownshoes deployment

[quick plinth]

how could they possibly consider not telling us we cant have more than one ability active at a time

that is what this huge fumble hinges on

[strange vine]

btw korean interview with Pilestedt and Shams
https://m.inven.co.kr/webzine/wznews.php?idx=300928

[hazy oriole]

unironically the hug reactions make me feel a lot better, thanks for the sympathy

[hazy oriole]

oh absolutely on brand, im just annoyed and saddened by the fact that the way most people enjoy the game feels actively detrimental to the way i like to play it

[spare verge]

definitely a line this game has to walk between what makes for funny satire and what makes for enjoyable gameplay

[cobalt patrol]

I really, really, really want them to do a big balance pass on boosters.

arguign with epople to stop birnging extra reinforcments on d10 is VERY ANNOYING

[verbal summit]

Me with the amr except I have used other things I just love the amr

[cobalt patrol]

Just watched a factory strider die to having it's head crushed by a crashing dropship

I had already cracked the head open, and then got kill stolen

[cobalt patrol]

FFFFFFF

and i crahsed to desktop again at the end of am ission

it was a good group too

ugggh

[unreal merlin]

This is a negative mindset, you should reframe it to excellent use of resources in elimination of automaton forces (exponential collateral damage, very efficient).

[cobalt patrol]

snort\

[strange vine]

I shot a dropship once and the wreckage careened over me and destroyed a fabricator

It was so fucking awesome

[tall stone]

Dropship incidentals are always great.

[tall stone]

I'm looking forward to the community being just stupid with the DSS again.

Also, the cooldown is short for the free Hellpod Optimization.

[odd arch]

coincidentally the best of three

[wide star]

They're suggesting we vote for helldivers in best community support during game awards

some of the others, sure, may be, ongoing game is a potential
community support is a very, very ambitious ask lmao
like that's just not happening, you're not that loved, Arrowhead

[wind arrow]

best multiplayer (tho with space marine 2 on the line), best ongoing (tho with fortnite always looming, also FF 14 but it feels like this is the least competetive FF 14 has been in this category in recent memory), best community support, and best action

[strange vine]

imo best action for sure

you can get so many cinematic moments in this game

[wind arrow]

competing against space marine 2 and stellar blade (and more but those two to me are the most competetive vs HD2)

wait no stellar blade probably doesn't actually hold up that much in pure action game consideration

i wonder if this year's TGA is still 9:1 split on judge panel vs popularity votes

cause black myth wukong is also in best action

[glad marsh]

Yeaahhh...
That and the faster extraction are the two that just feel like "you get to lose more" boosters

[tall stone]

I will give Faster Extraction this: It's very helpful for getting the time limit acheivement.

[wind arrow]

wait extra reinforcements has downsides?

[stark ether]

opportunity cost

[wind arrow]

ah

[tall stone]

OK, so it's 5 extra reinforcements, when you could be taking a booster that actually improves your helldivers.

You don't even have the excuse of "Oh, I don't have any better boosters" because it's at the dead tail end of the free warbond.

[cosmic spruce]

<@&1206091872716595200> i will be hosting a Vc Channel for Helldivers, doing Bots and its Somewhere Level 8 or Helldive

https://discord.gg/tKdG8GjM

[glad marsh]

Yeah. It's only ever going to come into effect when you're already losing.

And then expert extraction pilot is only useful for one specific portion of the game

[tall stone]

OK, looking over it again, you get the chance to take these before you get the Reinforcements Booster:

Space Optimization (Page 3 and 15 medal), Health (Page 4 and 20 medals), Stamina Enhancement (Page 7 and 75 medals), Muscle Enhancement (Page 9 and 70 medals)

Literally all of these are better than reinforcements.

Wait, forgot about UAV Recon Booster on page 6 for 40 medals.

[wind arrow]

what's UAV recon booster's mechanic? when i initially unlocked it ppl weren't really feeling it was useful so i didn't give it much look

[trail nymph]

Give you a passive radar scan on the mini map for all divers

[glad marsh]

Bigger radar iirc?
It's quite good with the scout armors

Since it also effects the secondary pings I think

It's basically uhh
Perfect for farming POIs

[wind arrow]

ah

[trail nymph]

The UAV Recon Booster will increases radar distance by approximately 50%, giving every Helldiver a greater scanning range. This scanning range is shown on the mini-map, which allows Helldivers to locate patrolling enemies faster. These scans are not visible to fellow squadmates, so coordination is essential in alerting fellow Helldivers.

[tall stone]

Correct on the increased radar area and secondary pings.

[wind arrow]

wait i think i confused it with... the confusion booster

[glad marsh]

I still don't really know where localisation confusion falls on the usefulness list

I've never felt anything from it

[tall stone]

It's incredible.

You start noticing the difference as you play more with it and then stop using it.

[quick plinth]

on 10s its definitely noticeable as the increased time between having to stop to obliterate a botdrop really gives you more time spent working on objectives

[tall stone]

The higher difficulty you are, the better it is, yeah.

[strange vine]

space marine 2 doesnt seem interesting enough to me tbh just from watching gameplay

[glad marsh]

It's not particularly innovative in comparison

[strange vine]

yeah its just standard single player campaign action pieces for the most part

which isnt to say it isnt good, its good for what it is

but helldivers 2 has a lot of emergent awesome action setpieces

firing an HMG turret into a smoke-choked jungle while explosions are happening and you can only see your targets by the red of their eyes

[tall stone]

Chained destruction as you shoot down a dropship and it crashes into something else.

[trim breach]

I saw a rocket tank friendly-fire a dropship yesterday

It was glorious

[strange vine]

[undone veldt]

Oh no

[hearty pier]

Time to spread the joy of team loaded airbursts to all

[uncut hatch]

God i hope this means theyre going to buff or change how it works, pretty much lost all reason to exist after the ammo swapping buffs to the AC and RR

[strange vine]

tbh after the stealth buff it got to its damage (effectively twice as much damage with the clusters) i think its already got a pretty good place

flak AC and HE RR dont have the sheer group killing potential it has

it can and will wipe a light-medium mixed group now consistently

imo just needs staged reloads and maybe an alt-fire mode that has some AT capabilities (maybe only as strong as QC/EATs)

[uncut hatch]

Wait it got stealth buffed? When did that happen?

[strange vine]

the cluster bomblets use the same explosion id as the frag grenades. When they buffed frag grenade damage, it also indirectly buffed the cluster bomblet damage, pretty much doubling it

[uncut hatch]

Huh, i didnt know that. Seems a little spaghetti tho

[strange vine]

theres a lot of weapons that share the same bullet

base Liberator and the Stalwart both use Rifle 5.5x50mm Full Metal Jacket

so whenever the liberator damage is buffed so does the stalwart

[undone veldt]

That does make sense lore wise but very strange gameplay wise

[strange vine]

eh they got a ton of bullets and their properties already programmed in

https://invadersfromplanet.space/helldivers-2/#scope=projectiles this is outdated but theres a fuckload of ammo types not used by guns yet

[undone veldt]

Huh

[glacial light]

Stingray the game engine HD2 was based on was discontinued I think 7 years ago, and they started developmebt 8 years ago

Vermintide 2 uses the same engine

So the foundation of the game is very rocky but they made it work and deserve credit for a feat

[strange vine]

Welcome to Gboard clipboard, any text you copy will be saved here.

[strange vine]

Nope, it was discontinued halfway through development, which is why they had to stick with it instead of switching off

[glacial light]

It was in development 8 years ago at 2016 and Stingray was discontinued in 2018

So 6 years of discontinued engine

Very well under halfway

[uncut hatch]

we round up in this house hold, 2 years might as well be 4 which is basically 8 so it wasnt discontued for any of the development really

[glacial light]

You didn't round up to 16, it's now 200% extra developed

[cobalt patrol]

So with animation cancelling, it looks like you can shoot down about 4/5 of a 5 ship drop ship

although it's usally 3/5, because something'll fuck you on the forth shot

(This with thE RR)

This post brought to you by Penguin is a terrible RR gremlin

[fleet jacinth]

how do you animation cancel?

[cobalt patrol]

Dive or otherwise move right after you see the Rocket icon change from Red to White

[fleet jacinth]

ahh k

[cobalt patrol]

I usually go Fire rocekt 1, reload, dive to cancel and shoot the second rocket (cos you can fire while diving), stay down while i'm loaindg hte third, hop up, fire the third, repeat the dive cancel for the foruth

[fleet jacinth]

sweet

[unreal merlin]

You can reload cancel just by tapping CTRL to briefly bring up the stratagem input mode. Just wait until the reload goes through by the red rocket outline turning full white

[shy prairie]

This might not technically fall under "community support", but it is becoming a little grating how little information is available ingame. I'm onboarding a friend after a long break and realizing that the new features like programmable ammo and toggling drones backpacks have joined the ranks of mechanics indicated nowhere ingame.

[cobalt patrol]

Fwiw, at least some of the info stuff is epxlcity things they're trying to adress

thogu htaht's mroe galatic war

[strange vine]

You can just press the crouch button to cancel

[cobalt patrol]

Diving is stylish though

[hazy oriole]

On a similar note, I'd appreciate a more clear roadmap + more transparent information regarding what they're working on/how its intended to work

People had so many inflated/mistaken impressions about what the DSS was going to do and some proper communication beforehand would have alleviated that.

Plus letting us know a little of what's down the pipeline, even if its as vague as "new support weapons, new enemy for this faction etc" would be nice for keeping enthusiasm for the game up

Like before the DSS dropped we were completely in the dark about this thing we'd spent months worth of major orders on

[oblique lotus]

programmable ammo does fall under firemode stuff and that is mentioned in the keybindings

[quick plinth]

I think in the tutorial they explain it

[oblique lotus]

firemode stuff is also mentioned in brasch tactics

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone up for some democracy?

[glad marsh]

For sure!

[sage plume]

yupyup

[oblique hazel]

I'm down

[shy prairie]

Hyperbole in my previous statement, but im gonna discount discovering things through looking through keybinds as like, acceptable levels of information-providing

Before programmable ammo I would have accepted the random Brasch tutorial

[glacial light]

tutorial can be skipped and leaving the game for any reason like a crash means you can't see it again

[shy prairie]

Is that stuff in the tutorial/did they update the tutorial?

Because i don't remember that/my buddy clearly didn't absorb that if it was

[glacial light]

I don't know, i'm not able to revisit it since i've done it

Not being able to revisit the only source of information within a game on a specific thing could be addressed in any game. Help menu tab

[shy prairie]

I can see this kinda stance as like, intended to benefit community content creators. Certainly "what do the things know this premium warbknd actually do" is an example of a niche benefited by not providing much information.

[blissful sparrow]

You can redo the tutorial from the menu as far as i remember

but noone reads the menu, so, yknow

[strange vine]

Constellation info in video form
https://youtu.be/7TM7pHVREUw

[verbal summit]

Actual tragedy

"Not-"

[hexed steeple]

holy; shit

[strange vine]

rip

[verbal summit]

I swear I have the most absurd/elaborate/random deaths.

Like I'll be doing fine but then just dual headshots from a scout strider or a small turret or something.

luck based life

[hazy oriole]

i feel bad for laughing you cut that perfectly

[tall stone]

I got the CHUNKY armor.

[quick crown]

big dog

[quick crown]

I want more silly helmets like this one

[candid finch]

I love me a silly helmet

[tall stone]

It works so well with that armor

And with SC farming, I can now afford Fashion Divers

[quick plinth]

unfortunately its two different greens

[shrewd tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TM7pHVREUw

[undone veldt]

There are three fucking stratagem jammers on this map

[supple siren]

The Bots are getting crueller about distributing side objectives, I swear. Always a jammer and it overlaps a mortar and other side is covered in the gunship range

I'd pay many credits to know where anything is on drop

[tall stone]

Would you give up a booster for it?

[glad marsh]

I'd take a ship upgrade for it

Knowing where 1-2 secondaries are before spawning in would be nice, especially considering how easy some of them are to spot from a distance anyways

[supple siren]

I love when it gets quiet enough to hear the Big Weird Noise the strat jammer makes

[strange vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217293896124731453/1309538575490089042/RDT_20241122_101722.mp4?ex=6741f256&is=6740a0d6&hm=c5f91fa411dcd67853f5bd7292f688d0b36c3bb241e6f9c740f293f9bea59caf&

[iron path]

It's coming

[unreal merlin]

[iron path]

(This is all public on steamdb)

[hazy oriole]

My bet is something's getting announced or at least teased at The Game Awards

[glacial light]

My bet? A game is gonna win the awards

[rare nymph]

I dunno, seems a bit far fetched

[cobalt patrol]

So your saying that my pitch for the seven mawed mouth to emerge and consume the world is unlikely?

[glacial light]

The mouth ate a controller so now it's video games

[verbal summit]

OMG

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone around for an op or two today?

[sage plume]

soon

[wide star]

Could do aye

[oblique hazel]

I could in like 20 minutes

[glad marsh]

See y'all in uh.. 15 minutes or so then

[glad marsh]

Alrighty, opening up the chat

[oblique hazel]

<@&1206091872716595200> managed democracy calls for aid

[wide star]

aw i missed the ping

sadge

[glad marsh]

all good! we've got a spot for you :3

[wide star]

can't join the channel tho

[glad marsh]

fixed

should be able to now

<@&1206091872716595200> we got a spot for one more on a bot 8

[verbal summit]

An eagle never misses

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone up for some morning dives?

[glad marsh]

If only we didn't have to work..

[glad marsh]

Arrowhead should announce that eruptor is getting more shrapnel for Game Awards...
And heavy pen (pretty please)

[undone veldt]

I have dropped on or next to a stratagem jammer every mission for the last 3 campaigns

[hearty pier]

Need to reverse psychology your drop locations. Work out where you want to drop and go anywhere else

[cobalt patrol]

UNdeniablyt Zero Utlity, folks!

[tight zephyr]

Undeniably has nonzero utility, yes.

The DSS being a massive boondoggle has been extremely funny to me.

[civic apex]

https://bskye.app/profile/the-red-right-hand.bsky.social/post/3lbputlgmgs2x

[quick plinth]

british??

I always read her more as aussie

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> I am once again asking for your fire support

[wide star]

can't, playing dnd

[short rune]

Red Hand makes really cool art

[cobalt patrol]

Omfg. You are level 130+ why are oyu bringing faster extracto n diff 10

bring vit booster

cry cry cry

[cobalt patrol]

On the happier side, having cut the dead weight , i got a teammate who understood how to use the stim pistol, saved my life, and hten we got this beautiful moment where all 3 of us opened fire and downed 3 gunships t the same time

[sage plume]

<@&1206091872716595200> hi is me wizard dive time

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> We got 2 slots!

[hazy oriole]

does the hmg kill bile titans within a reasonable amount of time if you crack the shell armor?

asking because i love the weapon model and really wanna make it click for me but it just hasn't yet

[tall stone]

HMG is fantastic into Bots because it will kill anything that's not a tank or turret.

[hazy oriole]

man it doesn't kill tanks or turrets? :(((

besides mo is kill terminids with the thing

[tall stone]

Well, it works against the weak point of both of those.

[strange vine]

it can kill the vents with about 2-3 seconds of firing

[royal lantern]

Yeah, it's pretty solid if you have someone to distract them/the combat isn't too hectic to deek around behind

[odd arch]

anyone happen to know the sound profile of jetpack?

[shy prairie]

SCHthump-whooshshsh

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone around for a little bit of night diving?

[oblique hazel]

I can be in a bit!

[glad marsh]

:0

Awesome

We'll be on in about 15 minutes then

[oblique hazel]

I'll need another 10 min or so I think

[glad marsh]

Aye aye

[oblique hazel]

booting up now

<@&1206091872716595200> managed democracy calls for aid

[undone veldt]

I’m down

To dive

[tall stone]

Much more manageable now!

[hallow gorge]

I understand it's like an in universe excuse but I enjoy the idea that someone tried to write a number as 5,000,000.000

[verbal summit]

Rock paper scissors to the death

[cobalt patrol]

The problem with Stealth Bastard 10,000 is when the Barrage tank rounds the corner ;.;

[glad marsh]

Stealth bastard 11,000 counters this

[strange vine]

oh my god saluting the flag makes it rise 13% faster per player?????

[tall stone]

Wait, really?!

[blissful sparrow]

the most helldivers sentence ever uttered

[undone veldt]

HUH?

[wide star]

wait fr?

[glad marsh]

YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING

[quick plinth]

THATS SO GOOD

shield gen new best stratagem

[pastel igloo]

feels so fitting

[glad orchid]

Love it

[quick plinth]

oh idc how lore accurate it is, I care about finishing those missions even quicker!

[strange vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1209566200959602710/1312105746535677982/image.png?ex=674b4933&is=6749f7b3&hm=92afcd06c8da4a086e926795d1abd72ee3622faed7ece86c3328b8597143bd19&

[hazy oriole]

the free machine guns are nice too

[hazy oriole]

dagnabbit, why can't we vote for the station to go to matar bay? It's already partially liberated and grants us access to Chooe

And WHY is everyone voting to send it to fucking PANDION!??

[shy prairie]

Supposedly that voting opened before the MO

[pastel igloo]

wow the Automatons are fucking beelining to Super Earth huh

[shy prairie]

But that's just what im hearing i haven't been really paying attention

[unreal merlin]

:/

[tight zephyr]

chort

People literally saw "Liberate Chort Bay!" and didn't look at the map.

[tall stone]

Choohe is what we're liberating.

OK, I see exactly what happened.

Chort Bay is A). Invadable and B). Already in the same sector. So if you're just looking at the planet we need first, you'll see it's there.

And go "Ah-hah!"

[hazy oriole]

Also because iirc decay and liberation rates are not displayed ingame anywhere

And most people very reasonably expect that the game give them the information they need for objectives

[runic cairn]

<@&1206091872716595200> finally free after months any down to dive

dont skull emoji me wtf is this space station thing

[unkempt river]

I'm at work, so I can't join

[cobalt patrol]

Well, currently it's useless because in a feat of TACTICAL BRILLIANCE they sent it to Chooe

Whihc is (very funny

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> 2 More for High Impact Democracy

[tight zephyr]

We are so stupid. I love it.

[tall stone]

What's the blob doing this time?

[tight zephyr]

Oh, I’m still thinking about how we sent the DSS to a locked planet.

[pastel igloo]

that was an inspired move

truly the decision of the greatest fucking tactical minds in history

[tight zephyr]

Clearly our democracy needs to be even more managed!

[unreal merlin]

the DSS and its blunders are only an overt display of how Unmanaged Democracy is ineffective

There's no algorithm to appropriately allocate the votes of the Helldivers where it's needed most.

[tight zephyr]

Exactly.

[quick plinth]

the fact that uninformed and reflexive voting is leading to poor decisions is hilarious unintended commentary

[hazy oriole]

oh fucking finally its on matar bay

if it gets to like 70% only for the blob to move on to chort or something im blowing a gasket

[hollow ravine]

aughhhh the pain of not having the setup for this game

the cheapest one i found that can run it is like 1.1k aughh

do any of yall know ways to play this on a budget?

my current setup can run titanfall 2 at like 50fps...

[glad marsh]

I mean.. depends how old your current setup is and what it's got
HD2 doesn't need a crazy GPU I think, but if your CPU is like... 5 generations old it might need an upgrade

Even then you may still need to run on low settings

[quick plinth]

sitting on a Ryzen 2500X and a GTX 1650 (4GB) and I can run HD2 at 60fps lowest settings most of the time

the fact you struggle to run TF|2 tells me that your computer is somehow worse than mine (since mine runs it perfectly fine)

[heady halo]

i play fine on an $850 gaming laptop from 2019

i play lowest settings as othereise it really heats but it can consistently run low medium graphics

[cobalt patrol]

They gotta push those numbers up, those are rooky numbers.

[uncut hatch]

My stratagems used number is always low because im an eagle strike fanatic

[hallow gorge]

Air strike supremacy

[heady halo]

(and that was 850 new i got it for like 600 a few years later and they are bit cheaper now)

[cobalt patrol]

So my strat list is 500kg, Rocket sentry, RR & Shield gen

Take from that what you will XD

[hazy oriole]

lmao that last line feels like a personal dig

[tall stone]

It's an earned one

The DSS usage has been bad

[cobalt patrol]

Pretty funny tho;'

[hollow ravine]

linky por favor :3

[strange vine]

game pretty

[heady halo]

ebay, set max budget as your budget, set condition to "certified refurbished", set item location to your country, and click pickup whithin x miles of you if your local postal service cant be trusted with a laptop

THEN you gotta go through a few at a time and lookup reviews for each individual laptop, thats what I did

for my laptop in particular its a acer aspire a715-72g, i would totally reccomend buying the lower spec version with only 8gb ram and no ssd for $200 less, then just spending $50 on a cheap ssd and some more ram

youd wanna check this specific seller, but heres one that actually offers ssd and good ram for not that much more https://www.ebay.com/itm/146111888342?_skw=acer+aspire+a715-72g&itmmeta=01JE48V9HG9DKTZZKZJP6D0MQW&hash=item2204f27bd6%3Ag%3A9ScAAOSwFuVnEqHm&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKnRESS8CQb6m%2Bh4etJ5uAvGxm1mCxJlrrp9EOIz976HMkZlOHSwfuAgeDE%2B4H02rS5eN6FD7%2BGmZIK%2F6DkbTvoml1gWcjyx7laqRZvbYosEjjh93%2F%2BYOkTyWMoOTfc%2BagXE%2FMXZkEj0qVXyzuWSGFdj3QUXG9RcH2MmUu71hfXpyuBAY2VeF6yM%2BcqL%2FO2P4AXNzDb3yoO5lbOxY1R2qeR%2BudsZQTKky3E4GnhvNQUpWAkk8x%2FGA%2FTmLS5%2BePCm3Pw%3D|tkp%3ABlBMUPCY7YjxZA&var=445055131549

this laptop can have an issue where you wanna replace the fans every couple years if you have pets that shed or live somehwere with a lotta dust, but its pretty easy, i did it myself and i suck and hardware stuff like that

you can probably spend like 200 bucks less and get a way better laptop if you spend some time shopping around for one that happens to be cheaper with better specs that reviews well

[trail nymph]

you can always look on the refurbished market as well

[glad marsh]

yo <@&1206091872716595200> anyone care to dive?

[sage plume]

ytopyup

[oblique hazel]

I can hop in in like ~5 to 10 min

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> we got 2 slots! (probably fighting bots on 5-7)

[cobalt patrol]

https://i.redd.it/nahz1l2vel4e1.png

Oh, well, i'm glad that's sorted then

https://i.redd.it/9sdx5pv0xj4e1.jpeg

[oblique hazel]

This is missing some info. I know at least that Stam Enhancement also provides a passive bonus to move speed based on what armor you're wearing

[cobalt patrol]

Are you sure? First I've ever heard of that

[tall stone]

As ever, I acknowledge Firebomb Hellpods is technically bad. However, I really enjoy it on turrets and EATs.

[frosty nexus]

Firebomb hellpods is good because sometimes I want to enable PVP mode

[oblique hazel]

https://youtu.be/1UpAYL79ifQ?si=JxfwWEj7xP_Zctji

[uncut hatch]

Crazy how you have to hunt these things down if you want to know instead of them just being told to you

[glad marsh]

It's pretty late but uh
<@&1206091872716595200> would anyone perhaps be down for a mission or two?

[cobalt patrol]

Eating dinner sorry

[glad marsh]

all good

[cobalt patrol]

Minusd the MASSIVE STEALTH BETRAYAL

good work Till

[glad marsh]

aw thanks :)

[hazy oriole]

sigh

is the dss at chort bay because we can't vote for chooe

[tall stone]

Yes

[hazy oriole]

man.

that orbital barrage coulda probably saved the mo too

[tall stone]

Yep

[strange vine]

yeah apparently choices for DSS are still manual on the GM side or something

wild they let choohe be able to be chosen when it wasnt actually available and then when it wouldve actually made a difference in completion they didnt have it be an option
this is all on AH's head tbqh
the players ignoring matar bay is def the players' fault but choohe not being a voting option when it wouldve gotten the victory is AH's fault

[hazy oriole]

fuming

[odd arch]

I hope we never kill off the jet brigade

they're funny

[trail nymph]

The popcorn brigade

<@&1206091872716595200> Who’s up for another bug hunt?

[trail nymph]

2 more for the drop

[trail nymph]

Gas mines incoming

[uncut hatch]

Please god not more mines

[hazy oriole]

Hope it comes with a global mine cooldown buff, rn using them over sentries doesn't seemcworth ir

[uncut hatch]

They would have to cover more area and not detonate on teammates for me to even consider taking them

[hexed steeple]

yippee more mines

[glad marsh]

I kinda like mines but only on that one defense type mission with the walls

It might be okay on the flag raising one too?

[hearty pier]

I actually quite like them on the geological survey too. Most of the sites have natural chokepoints that play well with mines

[unreal merlin]

Gas Mines do have a kind of niche I can see in blocking off a direction over a longer period of time (gas pops and lingers, multiple mines keep it going for longer) but I don't expect it'll be as useful as just throwing Orbital Gas.

[alpine seal]

MO's brutal, 5 planets in 5 days with split front coordination

this might shake up to be another anti tank mines incident

[tall stone]

The bug front is easy

Both planets we have to take there are at 1% decay

The real risk is people getting distracted by the defense

[tall stone]

Good news, I was right.

[tight zephyr]

We’re so stupid! Haha!

[tall stone]

It gets better.

The defense is actively worthless.

[stone bridge]

lol

[glad marsh]

[tall stone]

I want you to guess where the DSS is going to go in 4 hours too.

And it still gets worse: The one that stops a planet from being a defend origin point is going to be in effect when it moves.

Alright, after having looked at the subreddit, I have determined one thing

I don't think people know how to read the map.

Because I saw response like "I'm trying to figure out where the planets are"

[hazy oriole]

i don't think the people know shit man

[unreal merlin]

• they don't
• it's impossible to make any kind of informed strategy because randoms are basically just lemmings following the herd

[hazy oriole]

a good portion of people just go to planets based on biomes they like, which is a mindset that's understandable but completely unfathomable to me

[cobalt patrol]

Bleeegh

Every fucking one is on a pointless defence, in bug land

i dont wanna fight bugs

i wanna shoot some robutts

[blissful sparrow]

then go and shoot robots?

[stark ether]

coming from an eve player

dont let a game you play for fun become a second job

[cobalt patrol]

There's no one to que with is the issue. I like doing diff 10, i do NOT like soloing

like there's only 95 players on the relveant bot planet, a diff 10 que will b asically get no one if i setup there

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, i know. I'm kveticng aobut lack of players, rathe than anything else - i havent acutally played for a couple of days

[tall stone]

The defense is done and DSS is headed to the bot front planet next, so you should be able to do something in that regard.

[cobalt patrol]

Woooo

[tall stone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204537184112083004/1314717430513401887/HELLDIVERSTM_2_-_2024-12-06_2-07-38_PM.mp4?ex=6754c985&is=67537805&hm=9729c5bec913a7544904aa88fcf996ee46f0f70ba12043030655f72fd431e0d2&

[glad marsh]

Worm?

[tall stone]

A berserker was pushing it.

[glad marsh]

Well yes but it was wiggly

Like a worm

[cobalt patrol]

Not gonna lie, Automaton Worm sounds like a great unit

[glad marsh]

Maybe once they add more vehicles we'll see a big boss arena mission with some thing like that

[unreal merlin]

Can't wait for the Helldivers x Rocket League crossover

[trail nymph]

<@&1206091872716595200> I’m looking for 3 more divers to help spread democracy

[tall stone]

Hey, good news, decay on Zzaniah just dropped to .5%

[tall stone]

OOooh, and we get Gas Mines on the MO planets now!

[tight zephyr]

How are they?

[blissful sparrow]

the children do appear to yearn for the gasmines

[tall stone]

The mines are OK

They're mines, with all that comes with that. Ties up enemies for longer.

[verbal summit]

i spent the previous 5 minutes turning extraction into a minefield already

More mines to use on my friends :3

[unreal merlin]

I do actually kinda like gas mines. Not enough that I'd bring them over the rest of my kit but they do an excellent job of delaying an arbitrary number of enemies for an extended time. Got a decent amount of value earlier on bot 10s to control the hordes of devastators

[verbal summit]

I like them cus they'll allow me to run a loadout with more mines and turn extraction into a hellhole for my teammayes

i swear I'm not evil :3

[odd arch]

was that Ico

[verbal summit]

No it was pyro

Ico doesn't like it much when I do those things :3

[cobalt patrol]

Ooof

what a rrrrrough campaign that was, i was not playing well

[tropic isle]

<@&1206091872716595200> i need 3

diff 6

bots

scratch that

[unreal merlin]

I maintain that gas mines are significantly more useful than any other mine type since it did an excellent job at actually delaying incoming enemies for an extended time. Unlike AP or AT mines where the only mines in the way get used up in second (AP) or hardly at all (AT because someone already destroyed the enemy with a RR) the gas cloud diverts enemies away, and by the time the first gas clouds have worn off the enemies circle back to trigger the next 2-3 mines

Plus being bright green makes them easier to spot and avoid for yourself

[ripe cloud]

Is the new posô warband any good ?

[trail nymph]

The Truth Enforcers warbond is pretty good if you ask me

Both the shotgun and smg are excellent primaries and the pistol packs a punch especially when fully charged

Whether the armour passive (Unflinching) is good or not will depend on who you’re fighting as it will be useful versus bot but have little use versus bugs

And the dead sprint booster while interesting I would consider it a niche choice

[odd arch]

it's my top pick for fourth slot after the obligatory ones

though when a game has 3 obvious best picks to fill 4 slots I think the system needs a look

[trail nymph]

Agreed hellpod optimisation should be removed and made a ship upgrade

[hazy oriole]

even over experimental stims?

[glad marsh]

I honestly think the boosters system is just
Kinda boring
It'd be cooler if they were individual-side modifiers that you could have as many on or as little on as you wanted

Given that some of them are just straight up stat upgrades, it'd be more interesting progression-wise

If not kinda unbalanced

But they're already really not very balanced, so

[quick plinth]

the booster system needs some kinda overhaul, since 3 of 4 slots are perma taken up by basic stuff like, more health, more ammo, more stamina

I dont think they intended it to be a binary system

[trail nymph]

I’d like to have 2 slots per player

[cobalt patrol]

Experimental infusion should be where boosters are at - a fun moment of power you can build into.

Stamina/health/space are just awful designs. And if you get them baked in, other passives like muscle enhance take over

[unreal merlin]

I often want to take Muscle Enhancer but as you say, stamina/health/space is essentially mandatory and whoever's got the 4th slot most often just likes to bring stim booster.

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, muscle is really good, but the extra damage reducation, speed, and health regen that EXInfusion gives is such a useful On Demand boost i basically always lock that in as my booster

I'd like to see stuff that is build around - eg imagine a booster that adds a frag grenade effect to all your grenades.

Or one that makes every green strat come with a little bubble shield.

Actually make the flaming hellpods worth a damn. Etc

[unreal merlin]

Actually make the flaming hellpods worth a damn. Etc
All hellpod calldowns also come with 3x empty hellpods that land first, radially around where the actual calldown will land.

[cobalt patrol]

Bahaha

[unreal merlin]

These secondary pods have either failed serviceability inspection for use in delivering assets to the field, or passed their scheduled expiration date and need to be disposed of - so why not send them out with a bang? Each pod is loaded with nitroglycerin and given a chance to hit some poor non-Democratic life form before living the rest of their lives as the foundations of future Super Earth Prefabricated Habitat Structures.

[tight zephyr]

Remember. Dying is cringe.

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> mayhaps an op tonight?
we know it's late, though.

[shrewd tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2dxexfGf44

[tall stone]

Ah, Terminids pursuing strategic goals

[hazy oriole]

Interesting
Genuinely no idea what these factories could be making for us

Also, they put out another MO a lot quicker than expected

[supple siren]

ACHERNAR SECUNDUS is such a 40ktype name

[hazy oriole]

okay the more i think about it the more annoyed i get because this keeps fucking happening and it always results in the playerbase developing wild and unfounded expectations that are never met by the finished product

we literally have no idea, what will happen if we complete this mo, would it kill arrowhead to at least tell us what this thing is for

[tall stone]

Eh, they literally told us that last MO

Also, the playerbase will make wild and unfounded guesses anyways

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> maybe some ops today?

[oblique hazel]

I can maybe in 30ish min

[trail nymph]

can do

[glad marsh]

neato

we'll be vibin in VC in the meantime then

[quick plinth]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2765950/HELLDIVERS_2__TR117_Alpha_Commander_Armor_Set/

Steam

HELLDIVERS™ 2 - TR-117 Alpha Commander Armor Set

TR-117 ALPHA COMMANDER

free to keep for the next 7 days

[dusty spruce]

oh nice

[quartz cloak]

That's sick, I already have it from Twitch drops, but it's a damn good looking set

[tropic isle]

<@&1206091872716595200> hecking divers? diff six

[oblique hazel]

I'm down for a dive in 30min or so if that works

[unreal merlin]

Struggled with a difficulty 10 flag raising mission because we got pushed off the point and it started to reset, but the randoms kept trying to run up and restart/finish it which triggered a whole new wave of enemies before we had cleared the first pack of Titans and chargers

[oblique hazel]

I can hop on now if you're still interested

[tropic isle]

yes

06631103

@oblique hazel

[golden ledge]

ITS TIME

[glad marsh]

Illuminates just got announced

<@&1206091872716595200>

[graceful bluff]

They're heeeeereeee

[glad marsh]

AND THE BUGGY

[wide star]

THIS IS IMMENSE

also

Jogn Helldiver on stage!

[glad marsh]

apparently it's right now

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> This is not a drill

[heady halo]

WE ARE FUCKING UNDER ATTACK

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> This is helldivers, and the Illuminate are here

[wide star]

unfathomably based

[burnt vapor]

What do you mean we are under attack right now?

[wide star]

it's not out right now

[terse marsh]

ELDEN RING SPIN OFF AND HELLDIVERS UPDATE IN THE SAME NIGHT BAYBEEEEEEE

[dusty spruce]

I'm hyped not just for the illuminate and the buggy, but finally having the colony maps/urban terrain

[cobalt patrol]

It is literally announced as lunaching now

So

And also i'm literally downloading all 5 gigs of it right noiw

[terse marsh]

AND THE WITCHER 4

[heady halo]

the illuminate are here and are attacking you on the map right now

@stark ether https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-are-fucking-under-attack

[supple siren]

i can't escape the Dave Strider quote version

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk0XkX0U_m0

ITS OUT NOW

[cobalt patrol]

Patch notes are live

#1102974169601278123 message

Some nice buffs for various things

[tall stone]

OH

OK

I AM REINSTALLING

[cobalt patrol]

🎮 Gameplay
Social
You can now rejoin your last match after a crash!

Automatons
Reinforced Scout Strider
Reduced the number of Reinforced Scout Striders spawning on higher difficulty levels
Increased the minimum range for Reinforced Scout Strider rocket launches
The Reinforced Scout Strider will now stand in place before launching its rockets
Added a brief delay before rockets are launched
Improved rocket launch anticipation and readability with new thruster visual effects
The rockets on the side of the Reinforced Scout Strider should now explode with more consistency when shot by players

[undone veldt]

HOW DO I INSTALL IT?

[glad marsh]

reboot steam, or wait for it to show up

[dusty spruce]

I closed and reopened steam to get it

[undone veldt]

Thanks

[dusty spruce]

I picked a good time to pick up Helldivers 2 again, it seems

[pastel igloo]

gonna play the update tomorrow

after i finish WF 1999 prolly but def tomorrow

[civic apex]

https://youtu.be/Zk0XkX0U_m0

[burnt vapor]

Welp time for a new generation of divers to be truamatized by the bloody squids

[dusty spruce]

lets see if the control reversing has come back

[burnt vapor]

I'm more worried about the snipers

[dusty spruce]

oh gods yeah

[glad marsh]

ohhhhh noooo

(also invasion levels are here in game!)

[cobalt patrol]

I like the "Failure in X" thing

[supple siren]

oh man they're like not even giving us a speech about it

management's freaked

[glad marsh]

so this is what things look like now

[tight zephyr]

Cool!

[spare verge]

I managed to boot it up before the update was pushed so it didn't even show the sector and displayed terminid missions

I guess they did the in-game stuff a couple minutes before pushing the update

[cobalt patrol]

NOOO

they took out the DSS ;.;

Our democratic right to blow stuff up!

Including ourselves!

imededed!

[tall stone]

LIFT-850 Jump Pack
Can now aim whilst airborne
Can now stim whilst airborne
CAUTION: The combination of flames and fast forward momentum in flight can have unexpectedly heated results. Aim responsibly!```

AT LAST

I WILL BECOME A DRAGON

[spare verge]

felt immersive for it to be such a sudden attack they didn't even have UI for the tactical readouts

[tall stone]

"The Illuminate have seemingly emerged from the singularity created by the destruction of Meridia."

[iron path]

This is so freaking cool

[cobalt patrol]

I love that even with all units to X

there's still about half the playerbase in bugland

Bugdivers are very determined XD

[iron path]

They're probably mid drop or mid mission

This is all happening really fast

[cobalt patrol]

Now

Do i just jump straight into diff 10 illunminate?

and streaM it?

I think...

[tall stone]

Yes.

[cobalt patrol]

YES I DO WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG

[tall stone]

I need to reinstall

[burnt vapor]

THEY HAVE HANDS

[iron path]

We need to drop

[cobalt patrol]

I;'ll throw a link once i'm live

https://www.twitch.tv/thezombiepenguin

also they just won "Best ongoing game"

ENTIRE PLAYERBASE IS COWARDS

or matchmaking is borked

no one is joining my diff 10 game

[tall stone]

Probably cowards.

My download finished.

[royal lantern]

Well people probably want some matches at lower difficulties under their belts against the Illuminates to learn what they're about

[cobalt patrol]

C O W A R D S

[royal lantern]

Also cowards, yes

[blissful sparrow]

anyone who is currently playing the game probably doesn't even know yet

[burnt vapor]

Ok after just having run a solo 3 they don't mess around

[tall stone]

Going in on 5

[burnt vapor]

Bring anti-horde and something to deal with bulky heavy inf is my first impression

[tall stone]

Going in with my 200 armor to experiment.

[burnt vapor]

Honestly I think Stalwart's time has come

They look like light armour with big health pools for the Illuminate themselves

[glad marsh]

hmmmmmm

HMMMMMMM

[burnt vapor]

Yep car

[cobalt patrol]

eARLY VERDICT, THEY'RE PRETTY DAMN FUN

Gah, caps

[burnt vapor]

Ahh yes rapid typing mid combat

[tall stone]

OK

So

Man there's a lot of 'em

Like, it's not bugs

But there's a lot

[glad marsh]

weak horde of 10 dudes and then 2 guys that shoot you

[blissful sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/386774662115491862/1316967026253889617/rapidsave.com_1qselkxf5j6e1.gif?ex=675cf89f&is=675ba71f&hm=3ce7e5124c142661f7814500703d3096419cd90761773e7c2e4c6d5471e89c4d&=

[tall stone]

Might be stalwart/eruptor time again.

[cobalt patrol]

You absoloteuy want anti-chaff for sure

RR hits like a truck which is good, shields are ap roblem, i dont actually know how to pop them on bases yet

it's not very intuitive

but i did find out the RR can kill the Harvters to the eye, and crash drop ships if you hit them in the circle at the bottom

[upbeat vector]

Can the Illuminate still hit you with Mind Control?

[cobalt patrol]

My inclination is RR/Machine gun turret/gattling? maybe airburst? and 500kg

[glad marsh]

not afaik

[cobalt patrol]

No sign of mind control or similar fuck with your control scheme shit

[glad marsh]

yeah I got similar vibes

[cobalt patrol]

It's a mix of really nasty hoard units

[glad marsh]

@cobalt patrol did you figure out where to hit the dropships?

[cobalt patrol]

(the voteless - they're the chaff, and they're beefy - two verdict shots to the body to take down)

@glad marsh In the guts, where they put the beam from when they're deploying units

looks like any rr shot to the guts, asl ong as it actually hits the guts proepr will one hit them

Harvesters btw, teh shield can be poipped by any? gun, i think it just blcoks # of hits or something.

Using the purifier to rip it down and then send a RR into the face worked very well

[glad marsh]

ohhh

so they're EDF dropships

gotcha

[cobalt patrol]

the groudned wwarshiops that fdorm their bases, i dont klnow

the only thing that seemed to work was stratgemes

so i'm pretty sure i'm just missing somethign

[glad marsh]

there's gotta be some way

do we huck a grenade in when the door's open maybe?

[cobalt patrol]

I tried, it bounced off

I will problem solve later

i am right now going HOLY SHIT WHAT THE HELL

and also i cannot into emotion

because some maginacant wonderfukl person sent me the entire boxed set of Delicious in Dungeon 1-14

[tall stone]

Good news!

The shields can be taken down by any weapon!

Volume of hits is what matters.

Stalwart at 1150 strips them fast.

[supple siren]

The zombies are called ||The Voteless|| this game may be perfect

[glad marsh]

RR shots bounce off too (when the shield is down)

but explosive crossbow shots work??

[tall stone]

You can pop them once you get rid fo the shields.

OPS kills the ships through their shields.

Gatlign Barrage and just shooting the shields a lot opens them up quite well.

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah i figured you needed to pop the shields, it was just how to

Purifer didnt immediately do anything when i tried

[tall stone]

They care more about volume of hits.

Stalwart strips them quickly.

[cobalt patrol]

Oh yeah, i was rapid firing

I figured it was a volume of hits thing

[tall stone]

There's also weak points on the shields.

You can see a ripple in some spots.

I think it goes fast there, but that might be me.

Eruptor pops the Walker shields in one or two shots.

It can also hurt them in the eye.

Oddly, it seems to be best to shoot the medium guys in the legs?

It kills them faster.

[cobalt patrol]

I know re: the walkers, the eye is very vulnerable in genral

both the verdict and purifer get red hits on it

so it's probably only armor 2

[tall stone]

Yeah, it's very low armor.

Bringing anti-tank to Illuminate seems to be a bad idea so far?

[barren iron]

THEY'RE TERRIFYING!

AAAAAAAA

[fleet jacinth]

We love it!

[barren iron]

their good elite units that are armoured are REALLY tanky and are fucking terrifying

[tall stone]

They have so much health.

Stalwart or MMG seem to be good into them for that reason.

Fire also works a treat against them.

[barren iron]

I aint got the FRV in my stratagem list

[tardy onyx]

Okay what weapons are good against the Illuminate?

[stone bridge]

Autocannon sweep

[cerulean sluice]

Holy shit mmg buff lets go

[tall stone]

Stalwart, MMG, Flamethrower from what I've test so far.

Machine Gun Turret is a godsend as well.

The Laser cannon is good.

Autocannon is of course God's Perfect Child, as ever.

I would actively suggest against using Anti-Tank.

I might actually try Cluster against them next time.

Because the base shields care about volume of hits, so that might be a good way to open them up.

[tardy onyx]

I meant more ballistic or energy but thanks

[cobalt patrol]

I feel it's a good idea vs the harvetsers etc, i def didnt feel useless at all on d10 with the RR

The abiolity to dunk ships is always good

[glad marsh]

^^^^^

RR good on here

problem:

jetpack squids

[tall stone]

Fair on the ships

The Jetpack squids are so tanky

[glad marsh]

I don't know how they made them tankier than the grounded shield guys

feels...

off

Unless I'm really missing something here

[tall stone]

The shield guys are easy to pop if you sweep the legs, I'm finding

The melee hitstun is intense

Arc Thrower ain't great into the squids, sadly

I think the answer into the Jet Squids might be raw damage

My Stalwart was doing well

[burnt vapor]

If you get behind them and hit their jet pack it explodes in like 1-3 shots for an instant kill I found

Looks like the squids are much the same as their 1st war counterparts being armour 0 health Yes
Machine gun supremacy time

[glad marsh]

They do appear to have a ridiculous health pool, yeah

I'm just
Not sure how the jetpack guys ended up feeling the most durable out of all of them

Grain of salt obviously

I haven't even scratched the surface of things to try against them

[burnt vapor]

Might be the fact they also can be surprisingly hard to hit

Which makes it seem like they have more health

[glad marsh]

They still seemed to eat 2 dominator headshots before death

It would appear you can blow off their armor

[burnt vapor]

Yeah that might contribute to low fire rate hurting if the armour is ablative in some way

[glad marsh]

Overall, right now I'm getting the impression that you either get around and hit the backpack or you have to bullet sponge them

HMG does just fine against them though, will say

MMG probably does too, dunno about stalwart

But MGs are definitely gonna be important

I still think an RR on the team is important though (rocket turrets can also shoot down the dropships fwiw)

[burnt vapor]

MMG felt good against them

[cerulean sluice]

Autocannon 3 for 3 GOAT

Probably

[burnt vapor]

Auto cannon I think might actually have some issues due to close quarters

[cerulean sluice]

Also: bot urban warfare planet would go hard

:3

[glad marsh]

Mmm

Tanks just turning around the corner and jumpscaring you

Rocket tanks getting a better excuse to artillery you..

[burnt vapor]

Yeah bot urban warfare is gonna be something

Bug urban warfare sounds like a nightmare NGL

[glad marsh]

Well

Actually

Having choke points everywhere will be awesome I think

[verbal summit]

Ballistic shield for the win

Also idk if anyone tried it but lemme know if (idk if yall spoiler so I'll do it) ||the giant death beam from the illuminate tripod|| kills the ballistic shield instantly or if it survives it pretty well

[verbal summit]

I love the AMR so I will always say AMR but the answer is AMR

More amr

[dusty spruce]

AMR is actually pretty handy. Works well on killing the tripods and cleaning up the jetpack and staff guys

maybe take with a spray&pray/something to clean up the metric shitton of Voteless?
holy crap does it spawn so many of them

[glad marsh]

Oh, AMR kills tripods quick?
Neato

[stone bridge]

What's this about urban warfare?

[glad marsh]

Buildings :3

Cars everywhere!

[verbal summit]

4 shots to the leg/joint area and as far as I've been able to test 2/3 to the eye.

[glad marsh]

Very cool

[stone bridge]

Is that out now??

[glad marsh]

Yuhuh

Dropped halfway through the game awards

It was very funny watching how many people popped out of the stream to go try it

[stone bridge]

Oh no I mean I know the illuminate are

But are some planets just urban now?

How's it work

[dusty spruce]

not fully

it's sorta a 'biome' on the map

[stone bridge]

I see

[dusty spruce]

most of the content takes place in the city tiles, but there is some non-city terrain in my experience

you can find the buggy in the city, it's sorta fun to drive

[stone bridge]

No stratagem for it yet?

[dusty spruce]

not that I know of. Can't find it in the list, but I can see it in the 'vehicle customization' section

mind you, it's pretty late where I am, so I can't say to having played more than 1-3 quick missions (one being the equivalent of the 'destroy bug nest/bot fab' missions so it was a hectic 10 mins as we struggle to figure out how to destroy the spawners)

[glad marsh]

The spawners still acted weird for us but we think we can chock it up to connection problems

It was weird to pump 2 RR shots into the door after bringing the shield down and watch them both bounce off, only to see a crossbow shot do the job

[quick plinth]

alright time to get squiddin

[glad marsh]

Like they proper ricocheted off the door somehow

It was weird

Oh!
Right!
There seems to be a bunch of missing textures on some missions too
Be on the lookout for big purple floating question marks

[quick plinth]

I wonder why they implemented thequistion mark

instead of emulating valve with the missing texture

I suppose in the debug it tells you what's missing?

[cobalt patrol]

The purifeir ripped them down fast

[dusty spruce]

medium pen seems to kill the bigguns quickly with headtaps. A backup senator may be good for that

most med pen weapons sadly lack the speed/capacity that the squids really need

[quick plinth]

anyway Urban combat moment

probably a good idea to bring med pen weapons for the mediums and some kinda personal AT for the walkers

[verbal summit]

I use amr for the mediums and heavies then have a friend with stalwart for the lights and popping the shield of the heavies (tripods)

And I bring eagle cluster bombs in case we/I get overwhelmed anyway.

[quick plinth]

how does the shield work for the tripods?

also some of the stuff here reminds me of the hierarchy from universe at war

[cobalt patrol]

Rapid damage takes it down

[quick plinth]

tripod walkers with laser attacks and zombies essentially

[hazy oriole]

dude

its been like hours

and i still feel fucking ELATED

it doesn't feel real but it RULES

[indigo bear]

Digging my electricity resistance armor out of storage. The Illuminate like their zap towers

[hazy oriole]

they do have zap towers, can confirm

some enemies also have a little arc blast

i don't feel like it's a necessity but i reckon it'll help

[strange vine]

omg https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1hd3yjj/when_voteless_die_they_salute/

the harvesters (tripods) also have arc weapons if you get close to them

[oblique hazel]

the drones that can call reinforcements are the ones that do the arc zap as far as I can tell

[hazy oriole]

speaking of harvesters, where should i hit them with the rr? i saw a teammate onetap one in the eye but i needed two shots

[alpine seal]

the eye works, but going for the legs downs them in one shot from practice if you aim for a joint

despite the illuminate only having 5 units they seem much more fun to go up against than either of the two launch factions. now that it's been awhile i feel all of the escalation of freedom enemies besides the impaler didn't particularly add to their gameplay - i think simplicity works to the benefit of the squids here

they're missing a heavy unit in between the small fry and tripod, something like their analogue for the charger or hulk. if they have a similar armor level the addition of one would shift the focus towards anti-tank, which i actually wouldn't like

i enjoy that they feel very different to fight than the others, you prefer stuff like the hmg or autocannon for killing tripods instead of a dedicated rocket type

[glad marsh]

https://youtu.be/bfzOErKH3is?si=VyNLnI8M8vWIylAi

Huh

So I guess expect the stratagem soon

[cobalt patrol]

We actually know from leaks there are units that aren't here yet - there's a heavy melee called the Ghoul?, there's halo prophet style dudes, the harvesters can have multiplie tiers of armor.

So I expect they'll roll out more as the story unfolds

[glad marsh]

Yeah likely

What we're seeing is very much the vanguard

[alpine seal]

i see

[glad marsh]

I also appreciate an excuse not to be going all AT like pre-rework Helldivers 2 though

That was... Rough

[alpine seal]

if the ghoul's less of a blockhead than the charger, i'll be for it

[glad marsh]

I think it'll just be a big bullet sponge if other enemies here are anything to go by

Hard to kill, probably hurts a lot but only melee range

If we're getting OG illuminate units back we can also expect a cloaker guy with a glaive

[alpine seal]

my main issue with the terminids is that while the launch period heavy units have weak points they're really inconvenient to actually hit, the charger's butt is mostly covered at the top and the bile titan's tiny little arms get in the way of trying to shoot their abdomen

so you end up just wanting to erase them with rockets instead of going through all the trouble

[glad marsh]

They took way too much ammo to the weak points
How they coded it was I think they had less armor there, but still didn't take full damage from stuff

...unless it was explosive

[cobalt patrol]

The ghoul visually looks too be more of a Berserker class enemy

[glad marsh]

The launch meta was wack regardless

Sooo

Sooooo many heavy spawns

[alpine seal]

i haven't been keeping up with leaks myself, so

[cobalt patrol]

I suspect the challenge will be him coming barreling through the voteless

[alpine seal]

sounds interesting

[burnt vapor]

As long as the illusionist stays gone I’m happy

[quick plinth]

any <@&1206091872716595200> feeling like taking the fight to the squids?

discarded due to lack of response

[glad marsh]

aw man :(

I mean

we're here

if you want someone

but

[quick plinth]

define: we

[glad marsh]

we is me

just me

[quick plinth]

ah

I mean

sure

[trail nymph]

Spotted these in a dev interview

[stone bridge]

[alpine seal]

if that's on the table, it also included a booster/ship upgrade which gives the supply pod a mini sentry alongside the oft-demanded melee weapon as a secondary option

[quick plinth]

oh man another emplacment? I want more!

[glad marsh]

TURRET!!!!

[glad marsh]

Any chance we could have a link to that?

[trail nymph]

https://youtu.be/sdNsViDE7vE

Timestamp is 4:00

The stratagems aren’t shown in the interview just as an fyi

[glad marsh]

Thank you!

[trail nymph]

No problem

[odd arch]

fire + turret pods let's fucking go

if they improve fire that'd be unironically great

[stone bridge]

improve fire?

or fire pods

[odd arch]

fire pods

they're not deadly enough against enemies to justify how extremely deadly they are to yourself

[stone bridge]

oh no theyre awful

def need a buff

[quick plinth]

on their drop ships,

the circular belly is the weakspot

[idle hollow]

How's the warthog

[quick plinth]

good

difficult to drive for most it seems

but I really want it as a stratagem

[wind arrow]

supply-mounted guns?

supply-mounted guns

[hearty pier]

It handles quite a bit less responsively than an actual warthog. It keeps throwing me off about how fast I can take corners because I think I'm playing halo

[quick plinth]

you gotta use the handbreak

New warbond too!

new armor bonus gives faster reload speed and more overall ammo for your primary

[stone bridge]

oh lol it drops today as well

[quick plinth]

time to farm SC

[oblique hazel]

oh my

"Super Pedestrian"

[quick plinth]

why give us an FRV skin if we can't have the vic yet

[stone bridge]

it's "coming soon" apparently

[burnt vapor]

Gotta save something for Christmas

[oblique hazel]

ope, superstore has new stuff too, including one of the new melee weapons

gotta say, I'm really not a fan of that

[shy prairie]

conversely i'm kinda glad

i can get a melee thing without having to buy the warbond (which i wont be doing for sometime if ever)

[unreal merlin]

What is it actually, cuz the warbond has the stun pike

[hexed steeple]

stun lance....

[trail nymph]

Can anyone post a screenshot of the superstore please

[glad marsh]

Here's your warbond trailer btw
https://youtu.be/uchI4TFLOTg?si=DGDYdOrMMIHMlTJq

[shy prairie]

Some kind of "stun baton"

[royal lantern]

Not my screenshot, currently at work

[shy prairie]

The rest of the store is the heavy siege ready armor + cape

[glad marsh]

Well that's different

[quick plinth]

Purifier fucks severely

kills illumate in 2 charged shots

[steady flame]

I'll have to come check this out!

[quick plinth]

AMR also still fucks severly

[odd arch]

what's the energy shield's deal? toggleable backpack?

[quick plinth]

THE JETPACKS EXPLODE WITH AMR HIT

[verbal summit]

WHOOO YEAH AMR BABY WOOOO

[verbal summit]

AMR ON TOP WOOO

[trail nymph]

Thanks

[steady flame]

If it's anything like the first game, it's stronger but directional.

Alder (it/its) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) what's the energy shield's deal? toggleable backpack?

[cobalt patrol]

Yeahj, mixed feelings. i see where seamless is coming from, but also

[verbal summit]

So is the directional energy shield like recharging on itself or is it like ballistic shield and once dead it's dead?

[stone bridge]

It's almost certainly recharging

[verbal summit]

Yeah I'd hope so

I imagine it'll likely be ballistic shield but weaker but can recharge

[burnt vapor]

if it functions like the one in HD1 it will work the same as the normal energy shield but have a much higher durability and only in the direction you're facing

[unreal merlin]

I'm fine with that, I never turn my back on Freedom's enemies - you can never trust them to not backstab you.

[cobalt patrol]

Hm mm

the stun pike seems... okay?

[barren iron]

so mad they promised how they would never add stratagems to warbonds

[cobalt patrol]

Did they?

I do not actually remember that one

[odd arch]

I don't particularly care, no difference from gear and boosters

they said they didn't mean to ever do it when they added gas dog

[cobalt patrol]

Tbh, between the ability to get currency in game, at prety repsetacble rates

and the amount of joy i've gotten out of this game

i just flat out dropped the 15 nzd to get the warbond

like shit, i have how many hours now?

826 >.>

Even accounting for my terrible habit of leaving the game running overnight and things

i have goten a LOT of joy out of it

[versed hamlet]

I just think they need to make sc and medals scale a bit so sc farming isn't only low levels

also is anyone playing rn
I have like 2h and all the pub lobbies aren't real lmao

[dusty spruce]

I think they added strategems to warbonds with the Chemical Warfare one.
I feel like you get a pretty respectable amount even at higher levels. I've been doing 5-6 the past couple of days to reacclimate to the game after a break, and I think I went up ~70-100 sc a day, without really 'farming' them but just making sure to check POI

also holy shit yes I've been waiting for that anti-tank emplacement to return. Thing was rather meta in HD1's defence missions

[versed hamlet]

looks like allies behind you can shoot through it and it's a lot wider

[versed hamlet]

farming them with a squad you could probably get like one warbond per day
lots of variance and need to realllly spam missions

[kindred lintel]

reminds me of metal gear survive

holy shit i cant recognize this game anymore

[unreal merlin]

If you bring 3+ people to dedicated farming you can power-scavenge for SC very quickly at low levels. Otherwise you can just play at like diff 7-8 and take the minor detours to hit POIs every chance you get and you'll keep accruing decent numbers

[tall stone]

Dedicated farming at Diff 1 is amazing

Just get a couple of people with jump packs.

[kindred lintel]

so wait when did this new race come out? they dont look like the blue dudes from 1

[cobalt patrol]

I have noticed on diff 10 the way the base changes the spawns, my super creidtsh ave gone down

[unreal merlin]

Have everyone run in different directions, if anyone finds a door the distant player blows themselves up and reinforces at the door

[cobalt patrol]

They just dropped! Today!

[unreal merlin]

It's the same illuminate from last game, but different

[cobalt patrol]

They literally had the actor from the opening cutscen come out on stage in TGA, in full helldiver costume, pull of his helmet, and announce it

[kindred lintel]

rad

[cobalt patrol]

https://youtu.be/bOulMSvLyRQ

JOHN HELLDIVER IS HERE.

...okay so now i want John Helldiver in Smash Bros.

I appreciate the trailers contiuning to show that the helldivers are... Questioanbly comptent

given the numbver of ff or otherwise stupid deaths

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> a bit of super credit farming, anyone?

[quick plinth]

farmin rn

[steady flame]

My Steam's being a goober, I'll appear when I can.

[quick plinth]

https://discord.gg/bqxmP49e

[undone veldt]

Anyone know how to do get the buggy yet?

[cobalt patrol]

Find on the map. Actual strat hasn't been released yet

[rustic portal]

helldivers (in 2) are explicitly just conscripts given the minimum of training and maximum of hype

the tutorial is canonically somewhere between 80% and 100% of your training

[undone veldt]

Ah ok

[odd arch]

the remaining 20% is patriotic powerpoint slides

[steady flame]

I wonder if you can use the spear with the ballistic shield as well as the directional one.

[odd arch]

make ballistic shield equippable in weapon slots so we can have the shield(shield)

[strange vine]

they can be destroyed by any small arms fire

[dusty spruce]

Does it feel like they spawn a little too many voteless?

[burnt vapor]

Funnily enough they are explicitly not conscripts
The helldivers are 100% volunteers

[blissful sparrow]

the remaining 20% are putting on the armor before you hop into the shuttle to the training area

[burnt vapor]

They show it being used in the trailer

[steady flame]

I saw them using the directional shield, but I don't think I saw a usage of the ballistic shield?

Entropy ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) They show it being used in the trailer

[tall stone]

Honestly, it's still not as many as Hunter Hell

[strange vine]

you can use spear with ballistic shield

thats why it can be used 1 handed

[kindred lintel]

dont they take the same slot?

[steady flame]

No? I just didn't know spear was 1H.

[tall stone]

Not Spear. The spear.

[steady flame]

Entirely forgot the Spear existed when I was talking about it. I'll probably call the melee weapon a pike.

[tall stone]

Pike works

[cobalt patrol]

Nah, we're just not used to balancing things out yet.

Chaff clear is important. Grenade launchers, purifier etc. Frags might be quite good

[steady flame]

I forget, can you bring a b.shield and a GL?

It's er, been a while since I've played.

[supple siren]

Grenades go through Harvester shields, they move too slow for em

Impacts deal a real smack

Thermite seems to bounce off their armor though

[steady flame]

Also wait, chaff.. Birdshot time?

[tall stone]

Frags are indeed nice

Eruptor does well into them

Voteless are also quite flammable

[steady flame]

But yes, sounds like explosives, flamers, and SMGs are in style.

[dusty spruce]

not SMGs maybe, don't quite have the right ammo capacity for groups of 20+

[supple siren]

This is what the new armor is for >:Dc

The shieldhavers' day

[steady flame]

Shotguns?

GunmanRex ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) not SMGs maybe, don't quite have the right ammo capacity for groups of 20+

[versed hamlet]

deviations in attention from the slides are considered treason

[dusty spruce]

the spray and pray did alright against the larger groups, in my experience

[versed hamlet]

they might if you mostly get headshots
I think they're playing into the zombie tropes of being slower but tanky without headshots

has anyone done the higher level missions yet?
or experienced a bunch of people getting disconnected?

[versed hamlet]

I don't think you can use them at the same time but idr
fairly confident they're 2h
however there's a primary explosive crossbow which is basically that, it's 1h

[dusty spruce]

had a 4 person squad that dropped to 2 throughout the mission with people suddenly dropping out, their diver running in place. Surge in playercount prolly causing some issues/new files having 'oopsie' moments and crashing on some systems

also, if you're a lover of the Stalwart, now is your time to shine.

[barren iron]

stalwart is good

[dusty spruce]

was the best primary against Illuminate in 1, one of the best choices of support weapons against them in 2

imo

[barren iron]

also the current armour in the store rn? fucking awesome

just looks so cool

[steady flame]

Oh no no, I mean equip.

dragon (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1204832579287519292 message) I don't think you can use them at the same time but idr
fairly confident they're 2h
however there's …

Definitely not hold at the same time.

[hazy oriole]

You can also shoot out the engines in the rear

[keen zinc]

im back

mental illness cant keep me down, not when our citizens freedom is out of our control!

[undone veldt]

I’m gonna test the stun baton from the super store

This thing SUCKS

[sage plume]

kinda funky how its on an angle

[versed hamlet]

I don't think there's any support weapons that conflict with backpacks (for carrying alone)
and the gl has no support reload so you can reload
I've run it with the bubble shield a lot

bleh I worded that weirdly
meaning to say that even the support weapons that have backpacks with ammo can be carried with other backpacks, just not reloaded, and the grenade launcher doesn't have a backpack

[steady flame]

:3

[tall stone]

There are so many people active on the game right now.

[glad marsh]

Ya shoulda seen launch lol

But yeah

Player numbers uhh..
Quintupled?

At least last night when the update dropped, I saw ~160k

[supple siren]

I want to see the chunk of folks that just instantly stopped watching the Game Awards

[quick plinth]

@subtle oxide

[tall stone]

OK, my primary suspicion was correct: Tenderizer is great into Squids.

[supple siren]

Knight also felt great into squids, can't wait to try with new armor passive

[tall stone]

The high base damage does wonders into 'em.

Was also packing stalwart for the hordes.

Hrm. Liberator Concussive has a mag of 60 and decent damage.