Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[lethal badger]

Yeah lmao

[sweet surge]

Trust me it won't be hard for some ppl

[lethal badger]

I wish the devs like

[sweet surge]

Just look at WH lol

[lethal badger]

Called out the chuds in their fanbase

That would be nice

[odd arch]

I haven't really ran into them in the wild but I don't interact with the community outside of the game and informational videos

[strange vine]

Encountered someone who seemed to genuinely believe super earth did nothing wrong lmfao

Fortunately a ton of others mocked him for it

[sweet surge]

Was it in the HD leak discord by chance?

[graceful bluff]

honestly doubt sony would let em

[strange vine]

yeah lol

[odd arch]

if super earth is wrong how come everyone keeps voting for it

checkmate automaton

[hazy oriole]

this made me consider the hilarious possibility that super destroyers run on massive v8 engines, and as an extension, the idea that super earth has no form of stable nuclear power researched

they know how to make nukes and that's about it

[tight zephyr]

A Helldiver is not a soldier so much as they are ordinance. This doesn’t surprise me that Super Earth found a way to make Bug Oil power an FTL drive.

[odd arch]

and nuclear batteries for suit sensors!

[graceful bluff]

They're only ordinance if it's on the super earth region of sol. Otherwise it's sparkling ordnance :v

[stark ether]

i prefer ablative ordinance spotters

[tight zephyr]

We’re basically a cheap delivery system for target markers.

Considering how many of the fucking things I find scattered around the map, Hellbombs could probably use an upgrade. But that would be expensive.

[sweet surge]

I knew it lol

It was sooo frustrating reading all of that

[glacial light]

I put on a suit of ERAs to protect against rockets. Good old explosive reactive ar-

[quick plinth]

there should be a MEDIC! callout so the stim pistol could see some proper use

[odd arch]

there's a stim request in the wheel

[cobalt patrol]

HELL HELL HELL

also perfectly executing a factory strider with a single RR will never get old

[glacial light]

Damn a single RR? RR is eating good

It's funny how factory striders went from everyone throw OPS, railcannon, hellpod that thing until it dies which was fun to see like a rare mini boss that grabbed everyone's attention and now it's few shots to the eye. I hope they're ramping us up for bigger enemies

[quick plinth]

nobody uses it- maybe I should just make a ahk bind that sasy "hey, I am using the stim gun, there is a heal me request in your wheel"

[glacial light]

Tutorial doesn't even explain holding reload for alt weapon settings which I think is pretty important for some weapons

[tall stone]

Or how to enter proper first person aim mode.

[stark ether]

dynamic crosshair mode best aim mode

aka hold to squint tap to ads

[glacial light]

I forgot that's an optional setting

RIP to gamers who just start games and never look at UI, gameplay settings, or keybindings

Also idk if it's been fixed but tutorial glitches or leaving the tutorial auto completes it but you get no achievement

With no option to see it again

[odd arch]

you can redo the tutorial, does that fail to fix it?

[glacial light]

No clue

Where is the option?

[odd arch]

somewhere in escape menu

[glacial light]

Also the turret section took me too long cause I was dumb and kept trying to dive past instead of crawling, which I think is cool but that has almost never come up again in actual gameplay. Enemies can aim slightly down and crawling won't help always against friendly turrets if they are slightly in a pot or you crawl on a rock that raises your body to touch the bullet stream

I feel like itd be better if that section was like replaced with ping and hold R

Like holding R on ping makes your driver say negative or don't engage

Well you ping the patrol and hold ping to say negative

As a way to say don't engage

[odd arch]

I crawl a fair bit but it's more to avoid unnecessary damage vs few enemies than to not get obliterated by a hail of gunfire

because a hail is better zig zagged

[tall stone]

Stealth Crawl is my friend

[glacial light]

I understand tutorials where they don't tell you everything so you can figure some things out, but some things are like real obscure. How likely is someone who just plays and doesn't engage with the community gonna figure out holding reload does anything?

It's more reasonable to say "discover" crawling to avoid turret fire can be intuited like this PC turret doesn't really fire down I could fit under there safely

It's a pet peeve, I see on reddit why does X weapon suck and like a 1/3rd of the time it's cause the player didn't know alt fire modes existed

[odd arch]

I'm player

[glacial light]

My curse as a gamer is wanting to know, so I go through guides and videos sometime with cringe people to see if there's anything obivious I missed.

[tall stone]

Early on in here when there was an AMR daily challenge, I was complaining about how it felt awful and didn't let me aim far at all.

That's when someone else came in and gave me my "What do you mean there's first person?!"

[glacial light]

Yea that's understandable it's never even hinted at and if you played casually and didn't look stuff up or talk about it with strangers or VC you'd never know

I feel like having a separate box for alt fire modes on the weapon selection with like a tooltip that tells you how to change fire modes. Or even a popup but it seems AH doesn't like that, or even a voiceline from the ship guy to keep it more Helldiver's vibes

The voiceline being a bad pre-record line from general Brasch after being deployed about how you can hold reload to change how a weapon fires but can be toggled off later.

[tight zephyr]

Railgun…

[unreal merlin]

Go, disciple. Delete all in your path with overcharged railgun shots.

[tight zephyr]

As you command!

[strange vine]

https://youtu.be/Z7un2gL-Fyo

[glacial light]

Including yourself

Does shield pack still let you suvive it

New booster, shield pack, stim, hmm

[unreal merlin]

IDK, I haven't exploded myself in months due to my legendary trigger discipline.

[strange vine]

explosion resist armor lets you survive it

[quick plinth]

I miraculoisly surivived an overcharged railgun shot while wearing a shield pack

[tight zephyr]

I survived with Twigsnapper armor.

[glacial light]

Broke: Killing bots with railgun via shooting their weakspots

Woke: Killing bots with railgun by exploding yourself repeatedly

[quick plinth]

i was using the same

[heady halo]

HEE HOO i got a good kills that time

[cobalt patrol]

To be fair, to get the one hit kill you either need to hit the eye on the head, or you need to hit the neck where it's not armored.

I assume hitting a leg right in the knee or similar weak spot will also work

[lethal badger]

https://youtu.be/SvY5lHLe5OA?si=1sJ4775IezbeZKab

THEYRE ADDING THE SOUNDTRACK

[pastel igloo]

?

[lethal badger]

Officially adding the rest of the soundtrack to YouTube

[pastel igloo]

ah

[cobalt patrol]

https://helldiverscompanion.com/#+news

This is very good

try closing the add.

[strange vine]

grenade launcher is actually real good vs bots

you can wipe a patrol easily with a single salvo barring any hulks

with supply backpack you can just rain down explosions

[quick plinth]

thermites being actually good has opened me up to using lots of anti medium focused builds that I prefer over always lugging around heavy AT and just managing with my primary in regards to the mediums

[glacial light]

What do you usually bring the thermites to

[quick plinth]

bots or bugs don't matter

it allows me to use the stuff like AMR or Laser Canon without too much worry if I have to take out a hulk or something and I dont have the medium weapon on me

granted in these builds I'm almost always running the supply backpack

so HMG is more likely than laser cannon

[glacial light]

Big same on supply backpack having 8 extra grenades and stims several times a mission and it can be refilled from supply pod is great when you learn to use grenades and stims in excess

It does cut time on encounters and being able to throw many grenades each encounter and I do like games that reward you for expending resources to get things done quicker

[quick plinth]

getting to use the AMR as a primary is bliss

no medium enemy stands in your way

some heavies are also susceptible

and then stratagems as well as the thermites easily take care of the bigger enemies

[odd arch]

I got to play yesterday and got the one in a million eruptor backfire

shot into a patrol at a comfortable distance and stood there admiring my work

then suddenly got yoten backwards, dead on the spot with no enemies around

couldn't figure out what happened until I remembered shrapnel

which is funny because I've previously like, shot berserkers at a fifth of that distance with no shrapnel hitting me

[glacial light]

They brought back sharpnel with a self damage nerf so that it deals less headshot damage but it's ironically more dangerous cause of the increased body damage in general to helldivers

Sad I won't be able to nearly point berserkers and ragdoll myself silly

[lethal badger]

https://youtu.be/QUxbbbKKYg0?si=x5SOhRp65LGWJKxH

https://open.spotify.com/album/6gIyUevMF5HU5N8R9cDD8a?si=7BRAK1beSZe-blvnVOItxQ

Helldivers ost on Spotify

[heady halo]

i have finally saved up enough for another warbond

now i cant decide between chemical, flames or cutting edge....

[tall stone]

Cutting Edge

[hazy oriole]

Depends on if you like bugs/bots more between flames or cutting edge
Chem warbond don't seem worth it imo

[tight zephyr]

Chemical Weapons has the coolest helmet in the game.

[supple siren]

I'm a fan of the Chemical Guard Dog tbh, very good defensive companion into bugs

Swear I've seen that aggressive little soldier stop a charger

[tall stone]

Spray Dog is good.

The rest is meh.

[tight zephyr]

I like the grenades.

[glacial light]

I wish you could use 5 on drones to swap modes, like a standard aggro as is now, a passive in backpack mode, and a don't shoot unless I ping an area with enemies

Love how the gas dog gets close and there's little risk of friendly fire but also it spends like eons traveling to a patrol far away that it saw an inch of and now I don't have the dog until it does it's thing and comes back

[stone bridge]

Spray Dog/Stim Pistol are good,

But I think Cutting Edge is more bang for buck

[glacial light]

Stun Grenades and Blitzer are great.

Sickle is still good but other primaries have been buffed and it's not really the top gun as it used to be in comparison. Dagger is the only infinite ammo secondary if that matters to you

[tall stone]

Also a good Booster.

[trim breach]

Gas grenades are also great.

Sterilizer really needs teammates that are willing to work with you to really shine

It's also basically a more complicated and less effective way of doing what the gas grenades do better, IMO

But yeah

I'd put it Cutting Edge > Flames > Chemical in that order for bang for your buck

I'd rank flames higher than most just because I'm apparently the only person who really loves the primary flamer

[glacial light]

Not alone torcher is now my new primary for bugs

[stone bridge]

Torcher is juiced now

[glacial light]

Love Blitzer but being able to very ammo efficiently clear ads with sustained fire or burst mode and the ammo management feels nice to me, Blitzer is like the pace it goes is the pace you go and unless you swap weapons.

Many situations with Blitzer I'm like, I wish it had a mag so I can burst down this mini horde I just love arcing shotguns I wouldn't mind reloading cause that creates another minigame of finding or creating opportunities to reload

[oblique lotus]

I like the blitzer specifically because it maintains its pace forever

you never run out of zap

[glacial light]

It is nice for that you could theoretically hold off a swarm under a certain size fore er

The 1 helldiver alive in Merida that's still going somehow with the blitzer

[unreal merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09y83XJJJU

[lethal badger]

https://youtu.be/wCX4OLgkBnE?si=aGFCjXg7_ksbQH4b

[tall stone]

I love Blitzer for Bugs. Add in the Laser Dog and Quasar, and you can just persist, forever.

[cobalt patrol]

Torcher ius really good, i'm just a flamethrower addict

[glacial light]

Torcher is good, but I think about just going flamethrower since it seems to be able to kill all types of bug fine now.

I need more fire

Flamethrower and melee patriot when

[burnt vapor]

one day we shall have the lumberer

[lethal badger]

https://youtu.be/R0jNzOM7sLw?si=BGERBSDNXYQ6br2Y

I'm so excited

[cobalt patrol]

I would really like rocket striders to not be able to one shot hmg empalcements and you on them with a rocket =x

[honest acorn]

Sorry this isn't really related - I haven't had a chance to play in a while and that made me think of this

Is it possible to bail out of dying mechs now or does that still just kill you?

[stark ether]

i remember my character climbing out of a dead mech, but i cant say if there is or isnt still a possible catastrophic death state

[honest acorn]

Oh nice

I very vaguely remember a change to it but I can't recall if it was real or just in my memory

Mech deaths were also kind of weird iirc because they would de-spawn your backpack but not your support weapon

Which I imagine was probably a bug

[cobalt patrol]

Sounds like it

[cobalt patrol]

And lol, no need to apologize

Anyway, other than getting one shot by rocket stiders

HMG emplacement, RR + ofensive strats of choice with gas grenade and explosive crossbow is a real nice ocmbo

[sour whale]

it varies by how suddenly your mech dies, i think. and whatever armor you're wearing too, probably. sometimes i can get out of one that's dying and live, sometimes not

[cobalt patrol]

Doge had an accident D:

[steady flame]

Her er, perhaps a stupid question but.. Have the folks figured out what the most efficient difficulty for farming SC is?

[oblique hazel]

Easily diff 1, it has about the same POI spawns as the other low diffs, but much smaller maps

[steady flame]

And the same like, rewards?

[honest acorn]

It's actually slightly better because rare samples don't spawn

Unless they changed that

[unreal merlin]

Nah that's accurate. Run diff1 missions, go in and loot every POI then return to ship.

It's way better if you can get at least 1 other person so you can run different directions and also open friendship doors

[supple siren]

It seems you try to auto-bail but sometimes it blows up too intense

Oop, chat sure didn't load

[hazy oriole]

been ADORING the smoke stratagems on bots lately

really great having deployable soft cover against them

[strange vine]

Ye

Smoke grenade is decent for that purpose too

[hazy oriole]

True, but ive been enjoying impacts as emergency devestator deleters

[quick plinth]

I should try bringing smoke again

like in orbital from since airstrikes can get taken offline by AA

[supple siren]

I've struggled with smoke, it provides some cover sure but unless it's one of those Barren Waste maps.. idk! Hills and rocks and whatnot. If I'm under enough fire to need a fake wall I'm gonna be shorn in half by machine guns during the throw animation

[quick plinth]

if you've gotten yourself into a situation where no matter what ur dying

then its not really a matter of stratagem

[supple siren]

That's sort of what I mean though I don't know when I would prefer to have a temporary fake wall

Instead of a line of robots obliterated

Setting up a hellbomb maybe?

Also Free Jetpack Day opened me up to bringing both types of disposable rocket launcher and I'm going to miss that, free backpack even more fun than free orbital

[quick plinth]

the best situations I've had it was before all the buffs

setting up hellbombs under gunship towers

making sure it doesn't get blown up

[supple siren]

I've had some bombs get destroyed during the countdown even with them saying that should detonate them now, not sure what causes it

[hazy oriole]

i wonder if giving spear lock on capability to jammers and towers would be too op

it'd help carve it out a distinct niche from the recoilless, which atm feels more like a better spear than the spear to me

[quick plinth]

I mean it can already knock out almost anything from 300m max

a jammer if its an attached type

[graceful bluff]

Dropping a smoke on a hellbomb basically guarantees it detonating yeah

(also fun fact, if once you input the hellbomb deployment arrows, you can just walk to wherever and throw it down, pretty funny)

[tall stone]

OK.

So I am growing more of a hate towards Heavy Devs.

[quick plinth]

AMR might solve all your problems

[supple siren]

They're also not fans of the Explosive Crossbow

[stone bridge]

Stuns and Gas are your best friends

[tall stone]

Yeah, fair.

AMR won't enter my rotation, but this might be a job for Eruptor again.

[cobalt patrol]

Explosive Crossbow 1-2 shots them

and even a missed shot on the shield flinches them like crazy

[supple siren]

Them and the machine gun raiders are just wildly murderous with the damage update though

So many deaths are just 'turned a corner into .25 seconds of rapidfire'

[unreal merlin]

Love me explosive crossbow

[hazy oriole]

my most hated enemy always will be rocket striders

everything else i kinda feel like its my fault when i die to em

Getting 1tapped by a rocket i never saw sucks

[glacial light]

I will vouch for Eruptor, 1 shots devs to head and 2 to body

Getting headshots from a distance with Eruptor is rough cause of projectile travel time

[tall stone]

I know my limits, so I don't go on Rocket Strider difficulty.

[strange vine]

nah the RR really struggles to hit stuff more than 150 meters out because of the bullet drop, whereas Spear is basically guaranteed to kill at those ranges

spear is way better when you have wide sight lines where you can hit stuff from max lock on range

[tall stone]

I am growing to appreciate Spear more myself.

Still love EATs to bits.

[hearty pier]

The spear one shotting tanks from the front is a big point in favour on certain bot planets

[supple siren]

Spear is the 'I don't want to deal with Cannon Turrets' weapon

[glacial light]

A small perk is the Spear doesn't care about you flinching and being shot at

[hazy oriole]

using the scope i've got no problem with it
sniped a fab 300 out earlier today and it felt great

and again even if you miss a bunch and burn through the supply of rounds in the backpack you're still getting a similar rate of demolition per ammo% than the spear

if not outright better

i should note that im not trying to argue that letting spear lock onto jammers and towers directly is something it needs
but i don't think it'd hurt

[cobalt patrol]

Shots fired: perfection

Crossbow, HMG emplacement, gas grenades, and RR is a great loadout btw

[quick plinth]

you just have to have medium pen and hit them in the hips, it has way less HP than the stuff above

1 AMR shot, 2 Dominator shots, short burst from Adjudicator, a few rounds from Senator

[hazy oriole]

killing them isn't a problem it's the fuckers sneaking up behind me mid fight that gets me

[quick plinth]

in that case the only advice I can offer is checking the map whenever possible

[tight zephyr]

I had one of the rockets from one hit me last night from a fight that the rest of my team was having halfway across the map while I was trying to take out a jammer. I couldn’t even be mad.

[glacial light]

I wish patriots were just on cool down and not limited, i know it's for technical reasons with the server.

I've been using the autogun one to raid jammers after several missions with jammers over lapping side objectives and it does feel to be the jammer destroying hero

[tight zephyr]

I think what should happen is if you dismount and call in another, the Pelican picks up the old one and brings it back after a short time as if it was reloaded and repaired.

[glacial light]

That would be neat

[strange vine]

eh

i prefer them being disposable

[glacial light]

I was thinking delete old patriots if you're sure far away or reuse the existing patriot asset but unblow it up so you always have the same number of patriots on the server

[strange vine]

they did say they were thinking of some sort of way to reload them, either an explicit strat calldown or a side objective

[tight zephyr]

It’s a way to delete the old model and bring in a new one.

[glacial light]

We'll see. 2 in a 45 minute limit isn't enough for me to take it often unless it's for fun

[tight zephyr]

I see other people bring them all the time, but my usual loadout is OPS, Eagle strike, walking barrage and recoilless rifle.

[glacial light]

That's fair they're pretty nice and actually tankynow

[tight zephyr]

Been considering swapping the walking barrage for the 380 lately though.

Increasing order of “how much area do I need to fuck up?”

From “fuck this guy in particular” to “to whom it may concern.”

[odd arch]

titanfall drop that smashes the old one into the ground to despawn it

call it preventing reverse engineering

(though I call in patriots mid-combat because the ship that brings them has an autocannon)

[blissful sparrow]

nah, a big fun of HD1 was me bringing 4 mech slots and tossing out mechs for everyone

[uncut hatch]

The oprah build

[blissful sparrow]

i still have a pic somewhere of 4 Mechs standing shoulder to shoulder, the double double grenade launcher ones and just unloading into a horde of Bugs swarming towards us and they didn't even make it on screen except for the occasional body part flying around while we waited for the shuttle

[civic apex]

https://fixupx.com/RRH_Art/status/1840525437883269147

https://fixupx.com/TheLastOmnitect/status/1812189573046231354

[tall stone]

God bless the autocannon.

I always forget how good it actually is.

[hazy oriole]

how manyt slugger shots does it take to kill a reinforced scout strider?

[cobalt patrol]

I don't actually know, ic ant find any hard numbers on their hp

[tight zephyr]

Usually takes me four or five, I think?

[hazy oriole]

found a spreadsheet that said four to the crotch

[cobalt patrol]

slugger is AP 3, which i think is grey hits on the hips area

[hazy oriole]

bweghhhhh

[tight zephyr]

I know it's faster with the Dominator.

[cobalt patrol]

unless you manage to hit right inot the joint

I just use teh Ex.Crossbow currently

2 hits downs rocket striders and every other heavy

[hazy oriole]

i got this really weird itch to use a pump shotgun

[cobalt patrol]

That is totally valid

[tight zephyr]

The Slugger is really good.

[hazy oriole]

what do ya like to pair with it in terms of strats and such, fang?

(for bots)

[tight zephyr]

Grenade pistol, I go back and forth on gas and thermite grenades. Railgun is a good support to back it up.

My usual stratagem setup is OPS, walking and Eagle airstrike.

Though lately I've been considering swapping the walking barrage for 380 because I've been running Diff 10 a lot more lately.

[hazy oriole]

sadly i've yet to get the hang of barrages yet

still, the insight is appreciated

whatcha run in terms of armor?

[tight zephyr]

Twigsnapper or Jaguar, usually.

Although the Peak Physique perk isn't super useful if you're going with a Slugger and Railgun. It's more helpful for recoilless rifle, autocannon or HMG.

I usually run an RR.

And Dominator, which also benefits from Peak Physique quite a bit.

If you want a medium armor that's fairly good for the bot front, I suggest the Exterminator or any other one that has reduced blast damage.

[oblique hazel]

extra padding armor is also very good into bots rn

the broadly most lethal things the bots have rn are all pure ballistic damage

[tight zephyr]

Default armor is surprisingly good.

[honest acorn]

yeah

[oblique hazel]

If I'm not running my HMG into bots rn or another peak physique weapon, I'm usually running the marshmallow armor

its v good if you have it

[oblique lotus]

I'm a slave to Democracy Protects because well

50% of the time it works 100% of the time

[stark ether]

coin flip to survive a nuke

[oblique lotus]

also it's so shiny

[stark ether]

capitalism democracy protects

[oblique lotus]

uhhh what else

I like blitzing bugs

the blitzer is in fact my preferred primary against bugs

it does everything I want it to to a frankly absurd degree

[tall stone]

Blitzer is a bug-killing god.

[oblique lotus]

I think part of why I like democracy protects is that I have a bias towards high-AoE high-damage callins like cluster

and being able to survive the occasional errant bomblet is surprisingly useful even though I"m pretty good with my strike placement

since sometimes a bomblet just decides to go for me

[graceful bluff]

blitzer not only does enough damage to kill bugs well, but it also pushes them back/stuns them, and has infinite ammo

basically counters every single bug advantage

[tight zephyr]

Yeah, the Blitzer is really nice for bugs.

I should use it more.

[oblique lotus]

also medium armor pen

so it'll kill brood commanders and hive guard just fine

[glacial light]

It always has been*
*post armor value patch

[glacial light]

I'd agree like most of the time you should be blitzing cause it just is really efficient and strong by one shotting most bugs while stunning med ones and arcing while you stun lock.

As a devils advocate what it doesn't do well is massive horses cause it can only fire so fast but fast CD ad clear stratagem handles that first

[tight zephyr]

The default equipment is Fine™️ but I don’t really know what the Liberator offers that you can’t get elsewhere. If someone would like to enlighten me, I’d appreciate it just out of personal curiosity.

[odd arch]

it uhhh

[strange vine]

it just offers solid performance; every other AR gives up something in order to be better than the lib at something else

[tight zephyr]

Generalist rather than specialist.

[glacial light]

It's a jack of all trade, which is good when you hardly have any strategems or support weapon options.

But most players seem to like each slot having some specialization to cover every scenario.

[odd arch]

very few of the other ARs give up enough of something for me to look at the liberator tho

[glacial light]

I think part of it is it's a generalist primary, which doesn't really cover heavy enemies. Autocannon is a true generalist that can pretty much deal with every bot.

Liberator is like, what does it do generally that would complement my other equipment choices.

[unreal merlin]

Liberator is serviceable against anything that walks on two to four legs. You can headshot devastators with it, you can cut limbs off brood commanders, you can pop raiders and small bugs from excellent range with excellent accuracy, you can run circles around Hulks in a pinch to hit the vents. Chargers, tanks, buildings, and so on need more dedicated AT.

Just a really functional gun that does most things pretty well. It's not nuking enemies from 200m like a Diligence CS, it's not hosing bullets at close range like an SMG, but it can do both of those jobs well in one package.

[quick plinth]

for me the primary has to have medium pen because otherwise I feel too disadvantaged against medium enemies with or without a support weapon, so I've never really switched back to the liberator, even if I can definitely see the appeal of a jack of all trades

even if I'm running medium support weapons (AMR, HMG, Railgun, AC) its good to have in case I loose access to to them somehow

[strange vine]

i wonder if theyll make larger fabricators for the automatons that spawn devastators
and are tougher
bugs got different sized bug holes for their small, medium, and in the mega nests the larger bugs

[tight zephyr]

That’s true.

[tall stone]

I am interested what the bots are making a super light metal for

[stone bridge]

hoverbike

[tight zephyr]

Even bigger factory strider.

[sweet surge]

We might possibly know what for

But its a leak

[hazy oriole]

why are so many people on zefia rn?

[stark ether]

current mo is to succeed at 3 planet defenses from bots

its currently the only bot defense

[hazy oriole]

cheers

isn't vernen more important considering it's right on the doorstep of the logistics hub

[tight zephyr]

The pubbies kind of just do things arbitrarily and without apparent logic. Like a ghost or a dog.

[hazy oriole]

[incoherent cursing of an objective/macrogame player]

[stark ether]

i mean in fairness there is no indication of a pending attack from Vernon wells nor its consequences in game

[tight zephyr]

This was kind of a thing in Planetside 2 in my experience. Most pubbies exist only to seek enemies to kill, so you could fairly reliably drag them around by running around with an ATV that had radar on it to spot for their mini maps.

[hazy oriole]

nweghhhh...it's still irritating
even with the big old "this is the logistics hub" thing on tarsh i can see what you mean but it still annoys me

[blissful sparrow]

abducting pubbies in my galaxy from a fight that just ended and dropping them off where i needed them was my favorite pasttime

[tight zephyr]

Yep.

[graceful bluff]

and also scaring them by flying upside down close to the ground

[tight zephyr]

I used the sensor darts on Infil to do it a lot.

[stark ether]

like as a casual helldivers player i could not tell you what would happen if that planet was attacked

i can guess but i dont actually know

[blissful sparrow]

i had roll left/right bound to keys so i just flew constant rolls

was extra fun with my outfit when everyone begged me in teamspeak to please stop

[graceful bluff]

my favourite vehicle in planetside 2 was still the gunship though

flip it upside down and use the cannon as AA

[blissful sparrow]

Solo lib with a dalton just hotswapping was goated

[glacial light]

Factory Gunship

It's a giant gunship that fabricates more gunships

[unreal merlin]

Factory factory. It fabricates new outposts

[rustic portal]

every unit gets a speed boost and more armor

[limber pike]

My primary guess is that both the bots and the bugs are going to get a set of "upgrades" for higher difficulties that will change their looks as well as additional units

[glacial light]

Does crossbow aim well with jetpack?

I saw a person jumping a rounding a heavy nest and while closing holes with mid air shots

[cobalt patrol]

We know what's happening with bots via leaks, at least (assuming the data mine pans out)

||At least two sub factions for the bots. There's also a new unit coming as well||

[hearty pier]

If you send it pretty early in the jump. Once you are in the air cleanly any shots you weren't already holding down will go pretty wild

[heady halo]

||subfactions would make a lot of sense as a way to expand the game wider, giving more stuff to bring in new/non regular players, withought locking too much behind completion/play time in a way that can distance people not into that. Its something ive been thinking about with all the rumours of like a clan/platoon system too, that it might be more like a seperate set of missions/upgrades than one gated by either completing all the old stuff or having X trustworthy friends to play with regularly to make it completeable.||

[odd arch]

||subfactions are also nice because then they can introduce two Nipple Twister difficulty enemies and not risk them showing up in the same room||

I hope the light alloys mean berserkers with jetpacks

because that would be extremely funny

[glacial light]

They combined Berserkers and Hunters

Our enemies have joined

[stark ether]

[strange vine]

||well in the files i did find a jetpack fitted perfectly for hulks...||
|| https://www.rxddit.com/r/HellDiversLeaks/comments/1exofrr/automaton_hulk_jetpack/ ||

[hazy oriole]

|| wait, i'm aware of the iron legion subfaction, what's the other one? ||

[quick plinth]

||What good does it do them, covering the exhaust when I can still snipe their eye with a railgun 🤔 ||

[quick plinth]

||Sub factions in the sense that when dropping I'll know what I'll be running into and thus I'll adjust my loadout accordingly? that would be really nice on bugs, since so far ur forced to have anti medium lest you be caught without on a seed with armored spewers||

[glacial light]

Huh I saw someone do something interesting, stick a thermite on a charger then hit it with a Sterilizer so it just runs in a different different and by the time is gas effect is over it's dead from thermite

[keen zinc]

Sting and puff

[hazy oriole]

Neato
Im still prolly gonna hold off till the next warbond releases/i hearn at least 700 more super creds

[cobalt patrol]

https://x.com/helldivers2/status/1844664240076157020

HELLDIVERS™ 2 (@helldivers2) on X

Helldivers, tune in for some important updates about our upcoming 60(3?) Day Patch and have a sneak peek at what's to come.

Twitter · Oct 11, 2024, 9:00 AM

Autocannon geting Flak!?

Aand progabbmle ammo for the Recoiless

ability to tell drones when to deploy and when to come back

[stone bridge]

oh shit

[odd arch]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-im-with-the-science-team-gif-27243004

[cobalt patrol]

I wanna guess with the way they said autocannon getting flak + recoiless getting progammable amo that you'll be able to change what's loaded

so the autocannon will be able to function as a giant "And fuck this area" shotgun or it's current role

Unlessl ike the shells just burst into flak now?!

and i dont even know what progammable ammo for the RR means

Scorcer also getting full auto

Also i just saw someone suggest a cool as hell booster idea: Shielded Deployment. Makes emplacements and resupply come with a weak sheild barrier ala shield generator. I'd loive this, honestly.

Relatedly, Shield Gen is apprently getitng a lot of love next patch

[odd arch]

stand by for titanfall

[unreal merlin]

Wtb Magicka-style shield barrier I can button mash spacebar on to keep it charged while it's being shot

[quick plinth]

programmable ammo for the RR might mean it'll have more uses than just shooting heavies, like proximity ammunition or similar (at least what I can gather from looking at carl gustaff ammunition)

[cobalt patrol]

I am very curious.

[tight zephyr]

Incendiary rounds…

[odd arch]

wonder if the stagger AR will be able to add toxin on top of that

[cobalt patrol]

io suspect full on weapon customzaiton is something In The Fturue

(But there's def signs they're working on it going by datamines, and they've repatadly said it's something they want)

[heady halo]

programmable ammo is usually airburst at a set distance irl, so you can hit round corners or airburst on a flying target without as complicated /expensive as to have computerised rounds with detection

maybe we are gonna get more enemy flyers

[heady halo]

i also really want catapult deployment booster , so when you land ut activly throws you into the air with a single jetpack jump to steer, good for hot drops

[stark ether]

Oh boy

[quick plinth]

time to pull out my all time favourite
Eruptor - Stalwart(+supply backpack) loadout

I have so much fun on bugs with it

Verdict and Thermites to supplement

[tall stone]

I am happy to be returning to bugs

[sweet surge]

So were fencing in the bugs?

Because that worked out so well the last time

[tight zephyr]

It did. Are you implying that Super Earth has ever made a mistake?

[trim breach]

Super Earth cannot fail.

It can only be failed.

[tight zephyr]

Exactly.

[hazy oriole]

things are rough on the bot side
all of these planets are really close to key DSS infrastructure
poor bastards are just forcing a stalemate to keep the bots out

[glacial light]

Ask not how Super Earth failed you, but how you failed Super Earth

[tall stone]

Hey, those have been handled well so far.

[tall stone]

I am confused by the bug front at the moment.

Because the number one planet that the Blob is at has nothing to do with the current MO.

[tall stone]

Because, uh. It won't lose us planet access. It's not one of our required planets.

[strange vine]

it opens up a route to turing for the bugs, which is why people are defending it

we still need to defend turing

[tall stone]

I suppose

But Acamar also opens up that route anyways, if I'm interpreting correctly.

[strange vine]

less places for turing to be attacked from is good

[steady flame]

Also, holding Darius means Acamar is just that slightly harder to take.

[cobalt patrol]

I'll save you, D3! i think ,acrtivbating the HMG turret.

Now, i did kill the hutner. I just also killed D3.

oh well.

[cobalt patrol]

Okay

taht was just werid as shit

doing an emergency extractm ission

and we finally manage to get the hsuttle doors open

(Turns out duo 10s are hard)

and it just goes yay! you did it! mission complete

[hexed steeple]

another unquestionable dub for super earth baybee

[cobalt patrol]

Anyway! Duoing 10s is fucking hard

[tight zephyr]

I think it’s supposed to be.

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, for sure

this is not a ocmplaint, just an amusement

I died 15 fucking times in that mission

i just could not keep the warriorsoff me

[tight zephyr]

I misread that as “Wario” and now that mental image is stuck there.

[cobalt patrol]

Wario will fucking end you in smashbros

Those teeth and it's over.

[lethal badger]

https://youtu.be/IomZwKm_OLw?si=Is4lH3Ptt2ajlH3g

[stark ether]

can i just say god damnit youtube quit giving me political ads

[keen zinc]

i gotta stop getting ragebaited by the algorithm

following the lure of negativity which eventually drains into the sump of X that solely exists to make you furious

[tight zephyr]

If you like fighting bots, the Exterminator armor is on the Super Store right now. It's really good for bots because it's a medium armor with Fortified.

[keen zinc]

it also looks badass

[tight zephyr]

It does in fact look really good.

[glacial light]

I'm here addicted to my Butcher Armor which looks only ok with 3 matching helmets and cloaks watching the drip game of others be so strong

It's definitely not the stims

[tall stone]

I'm attahced to my prosthetics. 😄

[graceful bluff]

It'd be pretty bad if you weren't

[glacial light]

I mean that is what reinforcements are for

[tall stone]

Correct!

[glacial light]

I think it's funny if you don't randomize your helldivers or change armor then it's like Super Earth specifically filled this Super Destroyer entirely of helldivers who are brawny with a certain voice and speech style and all have one right prosthetic leg

Then if you switch armor then die you don't get a new super destroyer but reinforcements have it

[tight zephyr]

I have a lot of Thoughts on the nature of the Helldivers, even though I know the canon is that it's just a new guy every time.

[hazy oriole]

I'm curious, share 'em (and ping me so I don't lose them when I wake up tomorrow)

[tight zephyr]

I’ve been playing around with this idea that a Helldiver who survives more than a few missions in a row is seen as a valuable enough asset to be cloned and put into a new body so their accumulated experience doesn’t get wasted. But the clone bodies are a bit inconsistent because Super Earth might want to make use of your accumulated experience, but doesn’t really give a shit about getting it exactly right otherwise because that would be expensive.

[quick plinth]

I feel like more people would use mechs if they weren't limited, but rather on a long cooldown

myself included

[supple siren]

Apparently there's code reasons for the limitation

[tall stone]

I like bringing autocannon Mech into blitz missions.

[tall stone]

Yes, it's actually a really good reason. Mechs get left behind.

[supple siren]

?

[tall stone]

They don't despawn so that you can get back in them.

[supple siren]

I don't see how that prevents more than 2 per person

And with the time limit when would it ever occur

And just have the first one blow up if you try to pile a third

[tall stone]

Let me say it again. They don't despawn

If every player runs a mech, that is potentially eight of the bastards taking up resources.

And that's with the limitations.

It gets worse if you uncap it.

[supple siren]

Again why not just have the old ones detonate

The only reason your first mech would exist while calling in another twenty minutes later is if you're doing so on purpose trying for a bug

Make some joke ingame about the license for robots only allowing one to exist at a given time

[tall stone]

I have absolutely had my first mech exist still, entirely because I got out of it once it ran out of ammo.

[supple siren]

So it wouldn't matter if say it blew up

[tall stone]

I do not know how it works when it blows up.

[supple siren]

I guess it's a complication for devs too

Sorry for being argumentative it's just a real unfun limitation

[tall stone]

Just use them on the short missions.

They work a treat on exterminations and blitz missions.

[supple siren]

Yeah

If they can't fix the resource limitation give let em interact with a fuckin supply box

They can already die

They don't need every problem in the world vs. Other Strategems

[tall stone]

I...

And?

They work great

I can solo multiple hulks with it

[supple siren]

So can a railgun

[tall stone]

It lets me move faster

It insulates me from dying

And I can still be carrying around my own stuff.

Hell, I can walk it into Strategem jammer areas

[supple siren]

yes they're fun and cool that's why I'd like them to be usable more often

[tall stone]

They're usable pretty often

[strange vine]

they dont want mechs/vehicles to be easily resuppliable

they did say they were testing out different ideas like either a POI that can refill mech ammo or a dedicated stratagem for it

[supple siren]

That'd be neat, like another SEAF site or just some addition to the normal sort

[tall stone]

Yeah, double checked the times with the cooldown reduction purchase.

It's 9 and a half minutes between drops. You can spend most of that in a mech.

Potentially all if you picky with your ammo.

[odd arch]

hear me out

comically in-depth assisted reload

consigned to airplane technician duty for the next [long time]

[strange vine]

yeah if they go with the side objective idea it would be neat if there was a mech onsite you could commandeer

[glacial light]

I feel you, I do wish mechs were just on cool down but they probably made a decision to go the repairing equipment route VS finding a mech limit workaround for the server to save dev time for other aspects of the game.

[glacial light]

Meant to reply to this

I'm sure they've thought of this but a lot of games that "deapawn" vehicles actually just move the asset for the vehicle elsewhere inaccessible on the map then teleport back in it's fresh state on spawning as loading and unloading complex assets takes a lot for servers

I would not care if my mechs just blew up when I called in a new one

Or, like in HD1 you can use stratagem in the mech

[tight zephyr]

Average bug experience.

[tall stone]

Someone tripped over a bile titan leg. 😛

[strange vine]

theres already a stratagem launcher in the hd2 mech model, its likely gonna come when they release the vehicle bay ship upgrades

[lethal badger]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wAyrrNHUvL4?si=BUDFwrr2w0BgcY3w

[keen zinc]

i forgot liberty day was coming up

[tight zephyr]

Liberty Day is when we get both a Super Sandwich and a Super Ice Cream on the Super Destroyer.

I am sorely tempted to buy this sticker.

[glacial light]

Gee Fang, why does your democracy officer let you get 2 Liberty Day rewards?

[tight zephyr]

Because I completed my Super Coloring Book without going outside the lines even one time.

[glacial light]

Same

Although it's because I ate the crayons because it was my favorite color, stim colored and my Democracy Officer said I technically didn't color outside the lines and that was good enough to be deployed.

[tight zephyr]

Wow that’s smart.

[cobalt patrol]

long, drawn out sigh

Tesla coil is free today

I put one down

And 3 teamamtes in a row ran into it

one did it TWICE

like just full on suicided into it

Just.. just donrt run into the hsiny!

it's not your friend!

[quick plinth]

people don't know that the minimum range while standing up is like 20m

[cobalt patrol]

They literally ran at it

[honest acorn]

If not friend, why friend shaped???

[glacial light]

It's shiny but not red shiny why bad?

• bugs

[cobalt patrol]

I.. i do not thin kits' friend shaped at all!

At ALL

[stark ether]

⚡

[quick plinth]

honestly, if you think its a good idea to run towards a giant tower brimming with electricity, getting vaporised is deserved

[tight zephyr]

I’m still thinking about my one friend swearing up and down that going all red stratagems and just leaving your support up to chance is the best way to do high-end missions.

He seems to make it work, but I don’t think I’d give it as advice.

[uncut hatch]

I do it all the time, just 4 eagle strikes and picking up spare gear lying around the map as your teamates get mulched is fun

[tight zephyr]

Godspeed.

[uncut hatch]

God has nothing to do with it, just the hot crazy lady and a lot of explosions

[tight zephyr]

I know, that’s what I said.

[hazy oriole]

I've actually contemplated a similar idea, but instead of clone bodies it's a full conciousness transfer to an unwitting "volunteer" diver. They're giving their lives for liberty, just not in the way they expected. Also opens up interesting avenues for existential horror if a diver has to reckon with a body that they don't like.

[strange vine]

well theyll only have that body for like 2 minutes so im sure its fine :V

[tight zephyr]

I’ve mostly been trying to square it with my Helldivers getting more effective over time as I, the player, have developed my skills and loadout.

[blissful sparrow]

you just have helldivers return to cryo after winning a mission and then they get decanted again later and stil got their experience

and then they die after 2 minutes

[tight zephyr]

That isn’t a neat enough explanation for me.

[lethal badger]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bSAciBbb5mc?si=8UhCXg4eoUgsR3U5

[glacial light]

It is a bit of ludo narrative dissonance (I got to use that word again) that the lore is each helldiver is just a different regular person but doesn't fit the gameplay if you choose the same loadouts and same armor, body/type, etc

My solution to keep the each diver is their own person is their armor has like a beacon in their armor and when it detects they've died it transmit the combat data to the Super Destroyer then the reason why they don't rapid fire reinforcements at some time (when you're out of reinforcements) is that they use the combat data and it takes like a minute or however long new reinforcements go from 0 to 1 and just blast that helldiver's essentially ancestral combat experience (we the player) into the diver so by the time they land they'll know how to use weapons like their predecessors.

Which could explain why helldivers despite being different people, fight fairly similar in a mission cause they just had a batch of iced divers having combat memories thrown at them while defrosting to account how players are controlling a series of divers during a mission.

[cobalt patrol]

IIRC, Diver's expected lfiespan in the lore is exactly 2 minutes

Which is why you have 20 reinfrocements, because a mission is 40 minutes long

You loose more than than that, Super earth starts considering cutting their losses

[quick plinth]

Helldiver armor acts like Atlas (or Imperial Knights/Titan machine spirits)

[oblique lotus]

unironically I think the chaosdiver stuff is just an excuse to be a griefer

it doesn't contribute anything

[quick plinth]

I think most of them

are just larping

and then there's the few who use it an excuse to grief

[tight zephyr]

I haven’t actually encountered any people doing it in the game. One of my friends claims to have once.

[quick plinth]

yea me neither

[strange vine]

chaosdivers are just cringe to me

[upbeat vector]

Chaosdivers?

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> DIVE DIVE DIVE. The patch is LIVE. DIVE DIVE DIVE.

[glad marsh]

O

It's been months, but sure

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, i['m mostly advertising the patch

but holy shit dood, you've missed out. the 60 day patch has been icnredcible, and this looks like anotehr banger

@stone bridge Sidearms
P-113 Verdict
Armor penetration increased from 2 to 3
Projectile durable damage increased from 13 to 32
Stagger strength increased from 13 to 15
P-4 Senator
Armor penetration increased from 3 to 4
Projectile damage increased from 175 to 200
Projectile durable damage increased from 35 to 70

[glad marsh]

Oh I see I see

[graceful bluff]

K-2 Throwing Knives
Uses increased from 8 to 20

that's a lot of knives

[stone bridge]

hot damn

[graceful bluff]

also anti tank mines now only triggers on heavies

[cobalt patrol]

Hulk Bruiser
In response to their disapproval of a newly installed cannon on the Automaton Hulk Bruisers, Super Earth High Command sent a crack commando to sabotage their production facilities. The skilled operative promptly escaped into the shadows after completing their mission. Today, still wanted by the Automatons, they survive as a soldier of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist… John Helldiver
As a result the Automatons had to revert back to using rocket launchers for their Hulk Bruisers

Automatons
Automaton Targeting
Some enemies were able to shoot at you without needing proper line of sight, which caused them to fire into or through walls, track you even when hidden, and ignore smoke effects. We've addressed these issues, so now you should be able to use stealth more effectively against the Automatons, and they won’t be able to shoot through walls or see you when they shouldn’t. Please let us know if you still encounter issues like these!
Automaton projectiles
Normal small projectiles damage reduced from 40 to 35
Used by enemies like the Devastators, Emplacements and Conscripts
Heavy projectiles damage reduced from 65 to 60
Used by enemies like the Heavy Emplacements and Scout Striders
Hulk Bruiser
In response to their disapproval of a newly installed cannon on the Automaton Hulk Bruisers, Super Earth High Command sent a crack commando to sabotage their production facilities. The skilled operative promptly escaped into the shadows after completing their mission. Today, still wanted by the Automatons, they survive as a soldier of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist… John Helldiver
As a result the Automatons had to revert back to using rocket launchers for their Hulk Bruisers
All Devastators
Head armor decreased from 2 to 1
Head health increased from 100 to 110
Berserkers
Head health decreased from 125 to 110
Heavy Devastator
The pause between their salvoes has been slightly increased, providing Helldivers with a better opportunity to counterattack

LIFT-850 Jump Pack
Cooldown reduced from 20 to 15 sec
Stronger thrust force
Thrust vector has been tweaked
Will have a slightly higher jump and more forward momentum

Also machine gun sentry has a 90s cooldown now

which is crazy good

I'm gonna have to test that on bugs a bunch, because that's just mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dupl3lr2UBk

[oblique hazel]

God the change to tank weak spots is nice

[cobalt patrol]

I like them going "Yeah, this didnt work on tanks, we're changing it"

always appreciated.

[graceful bluff]

you know, I realized we're missing an obvious turret

SAM turret

[cobalt patrol]

I think rocket/machine gun are suppsoed to be in that role

[graceful bluff]

basically a rocket sentry that targets fliers(and maybe tall enemies like the quad walker and bile titan) with homing missiles

like a smaller version of the map objective one

[cobalt patrol]

but yes, actuqal homing rocket sentry would be cool

Some other stuff: Heavy armor and light armor both got buffed

Light armor takes 8% less damage than it did

Heavy armor is up to 25% damage reistance total, form 20%, which is a pretty signfianct buff in the way those things fall out

[quartz cloak]

Wow, adjudicator buff
And I already liked the gun

[hearty pier]

More damage and rounds will help killing via bodyshots which will be nice

So keen to walk into the fourth salvo of the orbital airburst several times

[quartz cloak]

Dominator's unchanged except for finally not being 'explosive'

No issues there, it's a good gun

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, it all looks good

I'm looking foward to trying out the Purifier now it's hopefully Not SHit

[graceful bluff]

the mine change is gonna be real good vs bugs I think

so many mines, so many dead chargers

[cobalt patrol]

I like them talking about they want to tweak a few more things wtih mines, but it was causing issues

[graceful bluff]

I feel like they'll never be good due to one simple fact

most players are fucking blind

[cobalt patrol]

Hahaha

I mean

The man aint wrong

[graceful bluff]

I have people missing a fucking arc tower

even with it being tagged

[cobalt patrol]

Literally

yesterday

I put one down, in a safe postion

and two teamates imemdiatley ran into it

one respawned and ran into it again

Oh, big change btw: Devasttor heads across the board are now Armor 1.

Instead of 2.

[graceful bluff]

Lämp

[cobalt patrol]

Ahaha.

The senator can headshot chargers now.

[glad marsh]

wild

[heady halo]

holy shit senator

[cobalt patrol]

@glad marsh Seriously, if you ahvent played for a couple of months you're misisng out. The last patch was incredible and this patch to be looks like more of the same

[heady halo]

thats massive

this gun used to play fucking college ball

[cobalt patrol]

P-113 Verdict
Armor penetration increased from 2 to 3
Projectile durable damage increased from 13 to 32
Stagger strength increased from 13 to 15
P-4 Senator
Armor penetration increased from 3 to 4
Projectile damage increased from 175 to 200
Projectile durable damage increased from 35 to 70

THe verdict also got some buffs

[glad marsh]

I mean, we still wanted to play. The game barely worked last time we played it though, and all our friends stopped :(

[cobalt patrol]

I'm your friend! i've been playing!

(Or at least, i'm on your steam friendlist =p)

[glad marsh]

true true

also I only just got working internet a few weeks ago (probably where the stability issues came from)

[stone bridge]

holy hell the mg turret is so real now

77 second cooldown

[cobalt patrol]

and the justfiaction for the senator buffs was "Well, we made the veridict bvetter, so it's kinda stepping on the senator's toes. so let's just make the Senator MORE)

[stone bridge]

with all the cooldown buffs

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge i'm looking foward to testing out RR + MG turret

[stone bridge]

You'll like it a lot I think

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, i've been enoying RR a lot

and now i get airburst rounds!?

I am amused they didnt actually do much with the airburst launcher though

faster reload, and that's it

rip.

Machien GUn and HMG got 25 more bulets in the mag, which is nice

[glad marsh]

hmm
well if there's anyone on
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone want to set up a lobby with this old-timer?

[cobalt patrol]

@glad marsh Let me finish dinner

but i'm already on my ship 🙂

[graceful bluff]

same but lunch

[cobalt patrol]

So join on me and we can do some Bug 10s

[graceful bluff]

I'll probably be around in ~30

[cobalt patrol]

Bug 10s are fun.

[glad marsh]

I've never even done a 9 lmao

[cobalt patrol]

@glad marsh YOu'll be fine

[glad marsh]

granted, I only tried them when they were uhhh
all bile titans

[cobalt patrol]

Well, as said the game changed a lot last patch

[short rune]

@quick plinth, @tight zephyr, @strange vine
Sorry for the pings, I just saw that this reply may be relevant to you as well as there is still a lot of misconceptions around.

Okay. I keep seeing that a lot. The griefing part is misinformation. Chaos Divers are strictly against teamkilling, griefing and trolling. Everyone who does that is not a Chaos Diver.

All we really do is roleplaying a bit and following our own ingame objectives.

[cobalt patrol]

like RR can now one shot b ile titans

and very easily

One rocekt to the head and the bile titan is fucking dead

[glad marsh]

oh, they cut the head health in half huh

[cobalt patrol]

Uhhh

Not so much

[glad marsh]

used to take 2 EATs to an open mouth

[cobalt patrol]

In poitn of afact, bile titans got more health in general

The last patch was huge

[glad marsh]

I'll be having to relearn a lot I suppose

[stone bridge]

It's more that dedicated AT got a big buff

[cobalt patrol]

@glad marsh #1102974169601278123 message

Basically, last patch was a dramatic across the board rebalance

upshot is the game is more lethal in all direction

helldivers are a bit more squishy (But more consitnetly), but are dramatically more lethal

Bile titans and chargers lost some armor.

Hilariously, Charger's hp and other stuff changed neough that the flamethrower isnt really the best option vs them anymore,

But the flamethrower murks EVERYTHING else on the bug front

Including bile titans now.

[glad marsh]

my only worry was primaries and secondaries feeling a bit better
and I'm told they do so.. I feel I ought to try and see what's changed for myself

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, tehy really do

Anyway, setting up a voice channel and getting ready

[glad marsh]

apparently I've gotta unlock 9 and 10 still (I know I can join other people who have it, though)

[cobalt patrol]

looks like @stone bridge is here too

Well, we should be able to clear a bug 10 no problem

[sage plume]

[glad marsh]

we still got one spot open

[cobalt patrol]

@sage plume Come get in 'ere

[junior badge]

Did they just forget about the Lib-C?

[quartz cloak]

I think they did

[sage plume]

Cant if i could i would im lamenting that I have class right now

[junior badge]

Love all the other changes overall, but that poor gun keeps languishing without a niche.

[short rune]

What was the old Senators penetration?

[cobalt patrol]

Ap3, which was medium

[short rune]

Ah, so it was only increased by 1 step.

Pen 4 is still insane

The front of a tank is 5

[cobalt patrol]

literally puts it at Head Shot Chargers

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> 1 more slot open!

[hearty pier]

Verdict now being able to drop striders from the legs seems very nice

[cobalt patrol]

Mm, it and Senator being able to much more effectively kill rocekt striders really opens things up

[cobalt patrol]

@graceful bluff Ya still keen? we got room

[cobalt patrol]

BLoody hell, that ten

that was a MESS

so many heavies of all stripes

fun though!

Though hey @glad marsh You got the full tens experience - a nice, calm clean clear of one, and "The game has dedceided to say FUCK YOU

Gods, thanks folks. that was a ton of fun 😄

[glad marsh]

still a better experience than launch 6+

those were...

those were a special experience

but yeah, thanks for having me everyone. That was fun

[quick plinth]

damn, RR HE mode is so good

1 and whole patrol gone almost

[cobalt patrol]

You're very welcome 🙂

We just gotta get you on the Cult of the Recoiless.

[glad marsh]

But the reloadddd

[cobalt patrol]

It's really not that bad!

and in practice you have a lot more oomf than EATS

Seriously, i thoguht the rload was bad too, but i quickly got the hang of it

[glad marsh]

In my limited experience, Recoilless always felt weaker actually.
Is that no longer the case?

[hearty pier]

If multiple people have the recoilless and stick together then the reload disappears

[hearty pier]

Substantially. The recoilless is now second only to the spear in support weapon damage

[glad marsh]

Nice, I ought to give it a shot sometime then

But... Maybe not immediately on a bug 10

I need to get super samples and credits

[cobalt patrol]

@glad marsh Try bug 7s

They're pretty chill, and they're right before Alpha COmmanders (Bug 8s) spawn

[glad marsh]

Yeye, that's what we would usually have played on before

[strange vine]

they really nerfed hunters into the ground

theyre barely a threat now

also they killed my plasma punisher :<

it no longer shoots in an arc and its trajectory is flatter, and no matter how you arc it now its effectively locked at 25 meter max range, when before you could arc it to 80 meters

[oblique lotus]

Bruh what the hell is this powercreep

RR and AC were already good, they did not need an extremely strong AoE mode

[tight zephyr]

hahahaha yessss

[oblique lotus]

I guess this is payday now

[quick plinth]

wdym this is payday now?

[unreal merlin]

the payday series had a lot of power creep over the years where things just kept getting stronger and stronger

[quick plinth]

I mean I guess I don't get that since I started playing pd2 way later in its lifecycle

I thought he was reffering to the gameplay loop of just murdering swathes of enemies

[oblique lotus]

You know how PD2 mayhem and below is functionally an automatic clear regardless of player input?

Yeah that

[cobalt patrol]

Go play 10s and et back to us

We actually found the Autocannon mode to be uh

Less Than Useful.

er, the flak mode*

and tbh, i'd still prefer to use my RR shots in tank mode

the flex is nice, but i'd rather use various otehr stuff to deal with hordes

[oblique lotus]

They were easy before and this is a patch of nothing but difficulty reduction

And diff 10 should not be the sole bastion of " actual effort required"

[cobalt patrol]

I agree on the alst point, i dont agree that 10s were easy before - And i say that as a good player. i think they can be easy. Or you can get sconseitoanls like we got tonight where there were impalers, bile titans and chargeer behemoths everywhere and it was a murder.

[quick plinth]

Flak mode is amazing against a bunch of lighter enemies

cleared multiple patrols with it

[cobalt patrol]

Fair, i'm just going by what my teamates were saying, ahvent tried it out yet.

[quick plinth]

it also makes shriekers irrelevant

and the ariburst launcher even less so

[glacial light]

Ah yes Payday 2 dodge tanks where you could have the lightest armor but essentially be tougher than default armor builds that didn't use a certain stim like talent and be faster than default light armor

It just did everything well and better than most builds

[oblique lotus]

Still does

[glacial light]

I think we are being power crept into being more glass cannons but it isn't like a power creep like payday 2 where 2 builds are just objectively better than the others at max diff

[cobalt patrol]

Also, like, give them time to cook. There was huge negative sentiment around the nerfs rpeviously - nad i dont agree with it all, but honestly, the game feels healthier now. A lot of stuff got sharpened in nice ways

and build and loadouts are dramtically more diverese

There;s stuff i dont agree with - lil Ol' Airburstl auncehr really needs some love. Maybe RR having switahcable ammo is too good. It's way too early to have a useful opinon on that

[oblique lotus]

Because the game is easier

[glacial light]

I think build variety is probably at its peak now

[cobalt patrol]

Tbh, if the game is easier means we can have a much wider meta of options and choices, instead of everyone b eing hcanneled into a few meta builds

that's a good thing

Everyone has to bring this specific loadout or you can't tango with 10s is... not great! at all!

[oblique lotus]

Except that theres zero challenge except at 9 and 10 and 10 is still really easy if you take enough AT

And that's before they let the revolver kill hulks

[oblique lotus]

I do not think letting any build clear top difficulty is a good idea

[glacial light]

I'm think difficulty and variety aren't mutually exclusive but it's certainly harder to do

[oblique lotus]

If someone wants to bring an unfocused build that fails to address the difficulty they're playing on imo they should struggle

Otherwise every difficulty may as well be identical

[cobalt patrol]

Your experience here is not a universal, dude.

[oblique lotus]

And honestly content isnt locked behind 9 and 10

[oblique lotus]

yours isn't either

[cobalt patrol]

"No u" is not a rebuttal. Come on. I've not said my experience is. 10s, in my experinece, are already self-selcting for the players who are confident and high-skilled, wqhich can make them perectbly easier than lwoer diffuclty because the fol;ks playing them know what they're doing. This is a game that still rewards system mastery to a fairly immense degree

Being able to place shots, identify weak points and execute on these things in a high-intensity enivroment matters

[oblique lotus]

correct, and AH is reducing the need to do that with every patch

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, if you're this up in arms about it

go spill ink in the offical discord, in ther feedback forms etc

[oblique lotus]

Like idk we've been talking the patch here and I mentioned that I don't think this patch was a net positive and that making the game across the board easier was necessary

Your argument has been "let them cook" and "its better if players don't need to bring a specific loadout" as far as the former that's not an argument as for the latter I just don't agree as a matter of game design

I'm not saying that everyone needs to be running the optimal build every time but if anything can clear max difficulty that's a problem

[cobalt patrol]

and your arugment has been "This is jsut payday 2 now" which is come on

YOu come in with takes like that, you're gonna get push back

[oblique lotus]

My argument has been "this is like payday" on the basis that this is a significant and imo unnecessary increase to player power

[cobalt patrol]

My argumetn is let them cook because like it or not the palyerbase as a whole was not happy, the game was loosing players, and there was a huge amount of negatviity. They have focusedo na new direciton for the game, and it wanst just buffs - players are noticably more squishy as a whole

I suspect we'll see things reinged in and adjusted as needed

but right now when they're trying to win trust back that it's not going to be just nerfs all the time, which correct nor not was the perception and how people were reactiong

i'm not surpsied they've focused on buffs and giivng the players more options and power

[oblique lotus]

and the playerbase was wrong

[cobalt patrol]

Anyway, i'm out. I'm off to bed. If you're willing to spend this much ink on thigns: seriosuyl, they have offical feedback channels. tehy've been empahsing time and again they listen to folks

So make your arguments to them

[quick plinth]

the revolver can do what now

[cobalt patrol]

Kill hulks if you can land 4 shots to the eye.

[oblique lotus]

It two shots the hulk eye

[quick plinth]

like the AMR

okay, that's something

[oblique lotus]

Eye is 25% durable, 175x0.75+75x0.25=150, eye has 250 hp

[quick plinth]

though I feel like not everyone is as much of a crack shot to land that under heavy fire

which is what you're experiencing, staring down a hulk most of the time

[oblique lotus]

They got rid of the cannon hulks too

[quick plinth]

that I also saw as weird

I liked them with the heavy cannons

[cobalt patrol]

People who've tested it in game are saying 4, so i think your math is off.

Havnet had a chance to actually test things

[oblique lotus]

If you're talking about the video on the subreddit they miss twice

[cobalt patrol]

also matching armor halves damage

shrug uI ahvent watched any videos. I'm going by what i've heard people say. I'll have to test myself

[oblique lotus]

Even if it is 4 that's still nuts for a sidearm

[glacial light]

Damn that's wild

I wonder how it compares to other med pen primaries

[quick plinth]

Senator can also headshot chargers now

[glacial light]

Is it just senator or just med pen weapons in general?

[quick plinth]

Senator is heavy pen now

[oblique lotus]

Senator is AP4, most are AP3

[glacial light]

Damn that's wild

Are there going to be heavy pen primaries?

[quick plinth]

ehh

Senator is balanced by capacity

and not being useful beyind mid range in extreme cases

[glacial light]

I always assumed sidearms were supposed to be lesser versions of primaries you used as backup to balance out a weakness instead of 2nd primary but in different category. If senator is the only heavy pen weapon then that seems odd

I haven't seen the patch

[oblique lotus]

The grenade pistol was a weird one because it was a pretty drastic capability increase compared to other secondaries

[quick plinth]

https://youtu.be/Dupl3lr2UBk

[oblique lotus]

I.e. the senator, redeemer, and the other one were still handguns but the GP let you have explosives in a loadout that otherwise didn't

[glacial light]

Eruptor is basically the better grenade pistol

[quick plinth]

Eruptor Stalwart is a really nice loadout for bugs

[glacial light]

A lot of the niches sidearms had, a primary did better in most every way

I always saw side arms as like, I bought Eruptor so close quarters is weakness so I bring one that won't blow me up,I bring a shotgun so I need one that's longer range, AD clear primary so higher pen sidearm but none of these sidearms are as good at their roles as a primary weapon

[quick plinth]

that's still the case I feel?

[cobalt patrol]

They re did the armor pen categories to make it clearer

[quick plinth]

you don't have that much ammo with the senator

[glacial light]

But where's the heavy pen primary?

[cobalt patrol]

I don't know if we have one, I'm also not sure we need one. Technically, HMG, AMR, Railgun etc fit into those rolls

Roles*

Senator is constrained by ammo, clumsy reloads and being a high punch emergency weapon

(also awful range)

[glacial light]

If Senator is the only non support with heavy pen then it is in it's own niche

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, we do have one. Torcher

Torcher & Crisper are both AP4 iirc

[glacial light]

Huh that's interesting

[cobalt patrol]

So there you go, Senators not even unique!

[glacial light]

I would say it's different cause these are support weapons you can't rely on if you die and take up a stratagem slot. Primaries/Secondaries you j ust always have no matter how many times you die

I do like Torcher, i'm surprised there's not like a single shot sniper primary with heavy pen

[cobalt patrol]

I wouldn't be surprised if we see it in the future. But it's also a balance thing, like does that stand on the AMRs toes? Etc

I think the Purifier actually gains AP as it charges now?

[glacial light]

I don't mind weapons in same categories fufilling similar niches. Liberator fufills the same role as Stalwart as bullet hose but they're not stepping on each other's toes cause one is a primary and the other is a support weapon.

You give up a stratagem slot and have it be on CD if you lose it to have the Stalwart essentially be a better Liberator

[cobalt patrol]

Whoops, no, purifier doesn't gain AP. Just gains durable damage and a host of other buffs when charged

(it's very nice for splattering bile spewers I can confirm)

Also teammates.

[glacial light]

Purifer does need something and I hope it's good

[cobalt patrol]

I managed to kill two teammates with one shot, much to everyone's amusement

It's very good now

Also if you hold the charge long enough, your character does one of the "sustained fire" yells and it's very funny

[unreal merlin]

wondering what "has a different explosion effect" implies

[blissful sparrow]

it says so

[glacial light]

We did mention power creep earlier, I don't think power creep is necessarily a bad thing but it can be done "poorly" for people that care about difficulty. Like Warframe's I didn't like the mega power crept from Soma is great cause it has huge mag and optimized can clear 1/2 a room itself in a firefight if you're dodging and weave or using a tank buff to not die to now everyone is immortal and can clear enemies 3 rooms over with 1 ability or you die instantly. Destiny 2 also mega power crept but like in Grand Master you're certainly way way more powerful but also it's easy to wipe if you're not prepared.

[unreal merlin]

it does say so

today is not a day for reading

[blissful sparrow]

tbh the formatting of the bullet points is not making it immediately obvious 😄

if you overlook the : it just seems cryptic

[glacial light]

Part of it is are other aspects of the difficulty usually the the enemies power creeping with us

When I first played launch like hulks/chargers were the panic everyone pay attention to this big enemy and kill it before it wipes, then they got easier but we got like gunships and factory striders, and now they're easier so there's just weird moments where we don't have a mini-bossesque enemy.

[cobalt patrol]

We know of two new enemies coming for each faction thanks to leaks

||Railgun mech for bots, appears to be bigger than hulks, smaller than factory Striders. T3 hunters for bugs||

And bots appear to be getting sub faction(s?)

||Iron Legion, who are all cromed up, and possibly a jetpack-based faction, given the jetpack for hulks we've seen||

[glacial light]

||Do we have a hint if whether these subfactions are like subfactions of automatons or like their own faction competiting with mainstream automatons?||

[strange vine]

||subfaction, its just a specific enemy comp||

[strange vine]

i feel like they could give the eruptor AP4 and itll be fine

its already got so many downsides

and right now its really kinda worse than the crossbow in most situations

with AP4 its got a good niche where the awkwardness of its usage (poor handling, long shot cycling and reload) justify it having the most AP of the primaries

[glacial light]

Eruptor would make sense since it is essentially a sniper with generous leeway to kill most enemies

It'd make sense to me that crossbow goes mini grenade launcher rapid fire large boom ad clear and Eruptor goes AP4 but smaller sharpnel imo so it is strongly single target damage.

It does open up the possibilty of a heavy pen sniper primary

[heady halo]

i think its mainly because the last patches big increase in player power saw a massive jump in player counts, the last dip in player numbers was 25k players the current dip is 40k players

and they are having to fight every community group every time they make something worse or difficult

they have also promised difficulty increases and theres info about thar from leaks

even aside from stuff people expect from the first game

[tall stone]

I'm looking forward to Liberty Day

Also: Fuck yeah, 20 knives

[heady halo]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-the-simpsons-two-knives-i-gotta-tell-ya-this-is-pretty-terrific-gif-27687620

i gotta see how knife damage stacks up to the new senator

o shit those are grenades???

i thought they were a pistol

okay senator is 200 damage at pen 4 vs 250 at pen 3 for knives

i really wanna try knives as a medium enemy clear when i get the supercreds

[unreal merlin]

Nah, throwing knives are grenade slots. PROBABLY still only the domain of deliberately handicapping yourself for the purpose of trying to stealth-run, but +12 knives is very good

[heady halo]

so long as you still get the same proportion refilled from nade boxes/suplys they could be genuinely useful now imo

[unreal merlin]

infiltrator armor + supply pack + knives, let's gooooo

[heady halo]

especially for things like stalkers or any build running other chaff and heavy clear

like if your other slots do normal grenade jobs better then its basically a second pistol thats a safe mode only short range railgun

or if you want to bring both grenade pistol/stim pistol and aoe primary now you have an effectivly pistol option for the grenade slot

so can defend yourself at close quarters without autoragdolling lol

[alpine seal]

after 8 months, the resupply box finally shows up on minimap

[hexed steeple]

game playable

[steady flame]

Hm.. Out of the Cutting Edge, Viper Commandos, Freedom's Flame, and Chemical Weapons warbonds, which would you lot recommend?

[alpine seal]

cutting edge

the armor passive doesnt do much right now but the weapon selection's the best ingame

[tall stone]

Cutting Edge by a mile.

[steady flame]

I see. Thanks. :>

[alpine seal]

sickle (amazing)
plasma punisher (amazing for bots)
blitzer (amazing for bugs)
purifier (it's probably good now, i haven't tried it post-patch though)

[steady flame]

Whelp, time to go SC farming.

[alpine seal]

absolute home run of a battle pass if the purifier is good now

[strange vine]

plasma punisher's no longer good for bots; the bullet changes mean its got a hard 25 meter range limit instead of you being able to arc it 80 meters

[alpine seal]

aww that sucks

[strange vine]

yeah :(

they murdered my girl...

[alpine seal]

hopefully that gets reverted sometime

[hazy oriole]

WHAT

NO

being a human artillery piece was my favourite part

[lethal badger]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YSi1sJauj9I?si=DkFi2WBvYGiflQ1d

[tight zephyr]

Good.

Does this just make the airburst launcher even more irrelevant though?

[stark ether]

[tight zephyr]

I mean, I never really used it anyway.

Now we can be the Flak Trooper from Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2.

[stark ether]

[tight zephyr]

Oh they can’t just chain-leap in your face anymore?

[strange vine]

they really neutered hunters

theyre barely a threat now

[tight zephyr]

Good.

[strange vine]

myeh

bug 10s are so easy now

[tight zephyr]

Fuggem hunters.

[stark ether]

i have nothing but hate for the anti player agency machines that are hunters

[strange vine]

id rather have fun enemies to fight

[supple siren]

I don't know what level of professionalism you all bring but 10s haven't been easy so unless these are drastic changes idk

Hunter chain pounce was just a stupid way to get oneshot

[tight zephyr]

I just shoot the bug.

I don’t put a lot of thought into it. I bring a Cookout, grenade pistol, recoilless rifle and I shoot the bug.

[graceful bluff]

You think that

and then it gives you one like we had with penguin earlier

it legit felt like launch 6's

[strange vine]

just did a bug 10 where the most deaths was from team kills

[stark ether]

hard to shoot the bug when you're stagger locked

[supple siren]

How does this not drown in Alpha Commanders

[tight zephyr]

I prefer boys anyway.

[strange vine]

:v

[tight zephyr]

What’s an alpha commander? I just shoot the bug.

[supple siren]

The new big bug on 8-10 that summons in squadron of smallerbug

[tight zephyr]

Oh.

Gas strike.

[strange vine]

alpha commanders summon alpha warriors which are so much more aggro than regular warriors

[graceful bluff]

and then it retreats a bit

[strange vine]

can keep up with a sprinting light armor helldiver

[graceful bluff]

it's a fucker

[alpine seal]

wait purifier was from polar patriots lol

i grouped it in with the other high tech battle pass weapons

oops

[supple siren]

I did the same thing last time someone asked about which to buy

Purifier has Cutting Edge Vibes

Where's our Cold Gun

[alpine seal]

i kinda did forget polar patriots existed, didnt really have a cohesive theme like the others yeah

[supple siren]

But it did give us Bucket Helmet

[tight zephyr]

But yeah the gas grenades help with alpha commanders a lot.

[supple siren]

I've been enjoying the Gas Guard Dog into bugs

Watching a Bile Spitter waddle on up and then just gormlessly stare at nothing is very pleasant

[glacial light]

Those factory striders won't know what hit them

[quick plinth]

yes. they should give it like an EMS AOE or smn, would make it more handy

[glacial light]

Or Airburst gets Airburst rounds for the airbursts

[hazy oriole]

side note but im curious to see how quickly the Senator can kill those rocket launching chicken fucks that I hate now (if anyone's tested it please feel free to ping me)

[keen zinc]

jump pack

[strange vine]

jump pack feels great

[quick plinth]

I imagine very handily when shot in the hip

[oblique lotus]

yeah esp against bugs I'm more worried about stray cluster than bugs

[graceful bluff]

I still want an mlrs backpack

like if any ya'll played deadlock, mcginnis ult

[sage plume]

aw hell yeah

[strange vine]

https://youtu.be/34vKXzQ6maU

Did you know that every single time you die, your influence on the liberation rate is penalized 2%?

Not extracting penalizes your influence 30%

[quick plinth]

so you could theoretically have a penalty of up to 70%

[strange vine]

Max for death penalty is 20%

[tall stone]

So die as little as possible and extract

[uncut hatch]

Liberation percentage is a lie, dont listen to the nerds in r&d

take this crayon and go die for democracy helldiver

[strange vine]

Senator can kill scout striders with 2 shots to the hip

[quick crown]

YEEE HAWW

🔫

THOSE METAL HEADS WON'T KNOW WHAT DID DONE EM