Does anybody ever actually take smoke grenades?
#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!
trim breach
The only grenades I ever actually take are impacts (and occasionally stuns) for bots, and incendiaries for bugs.
hearty pier
I only really see them on people running stealth missions, so no
I tried them out the other day when the rest of my team had 0 anti-air tools on a gunship patrols mission and they worked pretty okay
Dropping a smoke grenade on the hellbomb is very effective at actually having it go off
glacial light
Does anybody ever actually take smoke grenades?
Honestly if you're fed up with hellbombs being targeted then smoke bombs are good for making sure hellbombs go off
Throw one on a hellbomb and go and it won't be targeted
I don't really use grenades at all on bots so I use smokes specifically for the quality of life of hellbombs going off without worrying and if you just let it explode in your hand the bots like just stop targeting you unless you're alone and they basically won't hit you, although not having cover on bots is kind of rare
Oh and berserkers don't like walking into smoke? I'm guessing it's mostly cause they lose sight if they're not in smoke but you are they just stop, useful for throwing an OPS on a pack if for some reason you're low
graceful bluff
Smokes vs automatons are pretty nice
strange vine
I feel theyre def a higher skill floor option because theyre not as an immediate get out of jail free card like impacts or stuns
graceful bluff
as long as there's smoke between you and them they get a massive accuracy loss because they're no longer aiming at you but your general direction
glacial light
They kind of are a get out of jail free card for bots cause they probably won't hit you beyond a smoke or in one
Stuns are nice but only affect the bots near where it lands so you're still being shot from a distance
It's different jail, smoke is like stop being shot or chased from everything and basically take 0 damage that's it. Stuns do that to a lesser degree but of course stun so you can use it offensively to like stun a hulk and hit its vents or something if you don't have a front kill option
graceful bluff
smoke is also amazing for just running away
because since they lost visual of you, you can re enter sneakmode
(if you're far enough away you can literally just drop it at your feet and go prone)
glacial light
I forget if there's a point to cooking a smoke grenade until it explodes vs like just throwing it at your feet
barren iron
making sure it definitely explodes centered on you, I guess
especially while miving
don't think it will make a difference but
rare nymph
Its been a while since I've tried, but in my experience any time I use a smoke I'm being shot at by enough bots from enough angles that it hasn't really worked
glacial light
I used it last time I played which was last a week ago
graceful bluff
do note that much like for a few seconds after firing on a group, they don't know where you are but they blindfire in directions they think you are
glacial light
If you stand in the smoke it gives you a breather but you do have to play angles between you and the the majority of the ranged bots if you want to leave the smoke for cover
Then it's like only half the bots are shooting at you while the other just shoot blinding since there's smoke between you and it
I wouldn't say it's the best grenade, but it's the only grenade that does something the rest of my build doesn't
graceful bluff
Why the fuck are private lobbies not private when looking for a game
graceful bluff
really wish there was a way to buy samples with medals
there's just no sink for em
glacial light
Does kind of suck to have caps but like no way to balance it out for other resources
graceful bluff
it's also annoying cause I need like a thousand rare samples
glacial light
250 medals is like, not huge and ig they don't want us to day 1 buy out a new warbond but if the cap's that low the excess should do something like be converted to random samples or something
Also 55 hours left to kill uh 1.2 billion enemies? We might get AT mines
We're 25% through
unreal merlin
This is a disaster
glacial light
Also I wish there was an impact smoke
rare nymph
If you stand in the smoke it gives you a breather but you do have to play angles...
That's fair - I think I just have a bad experience stuck in my mind from when I got caught out in an open field where no amount of smoke grenades could save me lmao
glacial light
That's fair - I think I just have a bad experience stuck in my mind from when I ...
It depends how long cause iirc there was only only buff to smoke cause at launch I believe the bots could snipe you through smoke and it basicaly only hindered your sight
I wouldn't say you're missing out on much though, I don't think it's the best grenade option for a lot of builds
rare nymph
Ooh, that could def be the culprit
glacial light
I can't remember when it was buffed and i'm wondering if I gaslit myself into thinking that
rare nymph
Also I wish there was an impact smoke
I'd rock impact smokes just for the excuse to say "ninja vanish" every time tbh
glacial light
I think it was cause i'm just search filtering reddit with "smoke" and like march and before is all post titles about smoke being trash and ones like 2 months ago say it's underrated
Also too late to help but smoke works on bugs for defending objectives, my last dark fluid run if you throw smoke on the drill they just do not attack it unless they're already targeting it
I wouldn't bring it to bugs besides that very specific situation cause those drills were made of glass
graceful bluff
Just so annoying doing 9's and walking away with not even half the amount of rare samples possible
shy prairie
rares are the hardest imo, they're often tucked away in corners/edges of cliffs unlike the commons which I feel are more central in POIs
tight zephyr
And Supers, which have a special rock they're next to.
graceful bluff
supers are easy, you just find a puff shroom and yeet into the air to scan the surrounding area :v
hearty pier
Very glad they build pelicans out of some durable materials
tight zephyr
Well, yeah. That equipment is extremely expensive and sometimes Helldivers have valuable samples on their person.
glacial light
Well, yeah. That equipment is extremely expensive and sometimes Helldivers have ...
Pelican one is valuable to Super Earth and always does his job well
You can't just throw the life of such a valuable asset away
glacial light
It's probably hard in Super Earth's gung ho war culture to find someone that's capable of flying an aircraft and willing to fly away from a fight instead of right into one
Tried training helldivers to fly pelicans for extractions but the moment they got to the battlefield they just kept making stops for more samples until everyone on board died
tight zephyr
I explained the Helldivers to a friend as them not really being soldiers so much as ordinance.
odd arch
y'know what the funniest big expansion thing AH could do would be imo
just star wars battlefront (...the originals, I have no idea if BF2:2 has it) space combat
YOU ASKED FOR IT
not from us
BUT WE DELIVERED
crashing a pelican into a bot hangar bay
glacial light
I've been playing EDF 6 and Air Raider is like the same premise as a helldiver as a mechanic but sillier
This guy that everyone calls Newbie? The random civilian in a military base with many capable battle hardened rangers and when the base is under attack they somehow acquire a beacon gun and communications backpack and starts calling in gunships, airstrikes, and satellite bombardment and those in command of those vehicles are like, yea sure civilian Newbie used the beacons just throw millions of dollars of missiles where they point no questions asked
And it's modern earth setting
glacial light
You do in 6
tall stone
Alas, it looks like we're getting AT mines.
stark ether
nooooooooooooooooooo
quick plinth
crashing a pelican into a bot hangar bay
pull a Noble One crash it into a factory strider
stark ether
topical
tall stone
I did get that in one mission for the minefield.
BUt I had to tell the guy who brought mines that if he threw them again, i was going to shoot him.
Because he mined the supply box at one point.
tight zephyr
They're taunting us.
glacial light
We're probably getting AT mines but if by some actual absolute miracle we delay the AT mines. It'd be funny if the next MO was to kill 1,000,000,000 enemies with any mines or get AT mines
stark ether
i would contribute much more but i have covid so i have no energy
strange vine
you know if the liberator concussive fires explosive bullets it should deal way higher durable damage
if its durable damage was like 55 then itd have more of a niche than it does now
trim breach
It doesn't fire explosive bullets
It just has higher stagger
I mean currently it's useless.
If you need a concussive weapon, there's absolutely zero reason not to use the Pummeler.
strange vine
It doesn't fire explosive bullets
its projectile is literally called the rifle 5.5x50mm explosive
it doesnt stun, it has high knockback
not disagreeing with your assessment of it vs the pummeler though
trim breach
I mean in-game they changed the name precisely because of that observation
But yeah, that WOULD make it actually have a niche
If anything that's a main complaint I have with a game. There are some weapon choices that are just...Not good.
tall stone
The one I Don't Like because it's just garbage is the Liberator Penetrator.
And now Concussive.
strange vine
liberator penetrator needs the same mag size as the base liberator and itll be perfectly fine
trim breach
It's very cathartic to just no-sell charging Stalkers
heady halo
imo the concussive should have huge aoe , slightly worse damage and a magazine size more like the standard liberator
horde stunner
cobalt patrol
So is patch hitting tomorrow or the next day?
burnt vapor
Tomorrow I assume, in the past patches have usually been around noon UTC on Tuesday give or take a couple of hours iirc
I think it’s safe to assume they will stick to past patterns
strange vine
free armor set we're getting
short rune
It might be part of the armour customisation that has been in the files for a while now
tall stone
Oo
tight zephyr
Showing up to the fight with my “insert bullet here” armor paint job.
strange vine
hazy oriole
sad that it seems like we're deffo not getting a new free warbond
trim breach
I'm not overly broken up. It's not too hard to grind SC for them.
graceful bluff
I do need to farm some
hazy oriole
I'm not overly broken up. It's not too hard to grind SC for them.
i just really don't like super credit grinding tbh :/
and i miss the large amounts of stuff to spend medals on in those longer warbonds, too
tall stone
I don't try to actively grind for them.
Each bond gives you 300.
If you're sample sweeping, you're likely to just find some super credits incidentally every mission.
graceful bluff
you also need it for armors
tall stone
I can assure you that you really don't.
graceful bluff
Unless you have some secret way of using medals instead of supercredits for them I'm pretty sure you do
tall stone
No, it's that the extra armors are really optional.
graceful bluff
I never said it wasn't?
I simply said they needed sc
There's also still many armors you can only get through sc
tall stone
It is, by my looking, just different looks for items you can just get from the warbonds.
If you get something from the Superstore, you are getting something you could have already gotten. If you save for a warbond, you will be getting something new.
graceful bluff
Like at a glance, there's no way to get light armor, light medic, light fortified
outside of sc
tall stone
I would rather have heavier armors with Medic and Fortified.
This is probably a playstyle thing on my part, but light armor is...
Kind of a waste of time?
graceful bluff
no fortified on medium either, no heavy engineering kit
tall stone
Heavy armors with different abilities are worth it.
But is it 15 Super-credit pick ups worth it?
graceful bluff
It is, by my looking, just different looks for items you can just get from the w...
I'm just saying that this is objectively false
graceful bluff
Like literally all the armors I use the most are sc only
tall stone
That's a fourth of the way to getting a warbond.
So why not, you know.
Just get the warbond
trim breach
Admittedly, I'm the sort of person who goes for aesthetics first and optimization second. 😛
tall stone
This is entirely fair and valid.
trim breach
If I'm dropping in a jungle biome you better believe I'm using the sleeveless armor
tall stone
I am entirely a one-armor guy.
graceful bluff
Light armor is just so strong, and light medic means you basically run forever
tall stone
This is 250 Supercredits.
But yeah. SuperStore feels like a scam to me because of things like this.
Because this is page 3 free warbond armor.
trim breach
At that point I think it's less a scam, and more "Buy it because it looks cool"
tall stone
That's fair, but I feel you can't complain about super-credit farming then.
If neither of these do it for ya, go ahead and spend the 250 Super Credits.
strange vine
sad that it seems like we're deffo not getting a new free warbond
Like, for the update, or in general?
trim breach
I mean. I literally just said grinding for SC isn't particularly onerous.
strange vine
I feel like theyll add one for anniversary or for the in-univetwe freedom day
hazy oriole
Like, for the update, or in general?
for the update, was really hoping for it
trim breach
ok
That was in response to
That's fair, but I feel you can't complain about super-credit farming then.
[8:03 PM]
That being said, RE the Warbond stuff.
Kind of weird that we got the shock protection armor long before Illuminate
Because as of right now it's kind of a useless perk unless you're really in love with tesla towers.
glad orchid
Or run with all blitzer/arc projector/tesla tower squads
burnt vapor
I remember making good use of it on TCS missions cause arc weapons didn’t hit the towers
tall stone
God that would have been helpful to know.
cobalt patrol
I don't even like it normally with those because you still get hit and go limp and at that point I'd rather just get exploded than have a protracted death
unreal merlin
Lightning resistance armor isn't the solution I like to arc weapons. The solution I like is the arc weapons being used in such a way that I don't get hit by them.
This unfortunately means expecting people I don't know to have a level of situational and spatial awareness that seems to be lacking in the general population.
tight zephyr
It seems we won't be able to prevent the AT mines from falling into the hands of sick children and Helldivers...
trim breach
I'd feel a lot better about it if I didn't constantly get the invisible mine bug
graceful bluff
I really hope the AT mines are gonna be worth using after all of this hyping it up
I feel like they're gonna be useless against terminids unless they somehow work well against bile titans and only explode from stuff that the spear locks onto
unreal merlin
If they only trigger on like, Hive Guard+ it'd be usable. It'd probably be okay enough if it was Brood Commanders+.
graceful bluff
Honestly I wouldn't want it to trigger on hive guards
they're common enough that they'd just blow up the entire field before it'd kill something high priority
cobalt patrol
<@&1206091872716595200> DIVE DIVE DIVE
THE PATCH IS LIVE
DIVE DIVE DIVE
sage plume
LETS GOOOOOOO (diving)
cobalt patrol
GP-31 Grenade Pistol
Decreased ammo capacity from 8 to 6
Increased the number of rounds replenished from an ammo box from 2 to 4
bold moat
sage plume
yeah so will we be helldiving or just letting it rest for today?
modest fiber
sad that it seems like we're deffo not getting a new free warbond
isn't it coming in 2 days tho?
unreal merlin
junior badge
sage plume
truly a shame
strange vine
Oh yeah armor properly stopping flames means you cant kill charger legs anymore with it
unkempt river
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for a group 2 of Helldivers 2?
burnt vapor
I'm down
glossy horizon
Ohhh explody crossbow is now 1 handed
unreal merlin
the changes aren't as sweeping-massive QOL as previous, but it's still got a good assortment of nice things in it
glossy horizon
Yeah looks good, I like the sentry changes, too.
hexed steeple
lets go guard dog
cobalt patrol
the changes aren't as sweeping-massive QOL as previous, but it's still got a goo...
Flamethrower got nerfed but ionly vs chargers
and people are very mad about it
it's silly
it's still sucha good bug clearer
unreal merlin
much like the initial railgun nerf, the flamethrower nerf vs chargers is justified because it was clearly not intended to work like that
cobalt patrol
"Adjusted flame effects to work more realistically.
It doesn't go through various bodies/objects where bounce off would be the expected behavior, like on armors and static objects.
"
hexed steeple
wonder if that means flamer hulks are gonna stop killing me through cover
strange vine
flamer needs a stagger buff imo
it still kinda sucks for crowd clear because bugs will push through it
cobalt patrol
Man, i wildly disagree
Like i took this into diff 9 just now, and i was a bug disteringrating monster
modest fiber
noice, wait the laser guard dog can run out of ammo?
quick plinth
they are always having a hissy fit
if they aren't they literally start to drop like flies
sweet surge
I assume it is the same for discord too
sharp crater
the anti-tank mines are hard to see
like yeah, they're mines, I get it, but the incendiary ones are red and glowy at least
modest fiber
the main question is, does a helldiver trigger them when stepped on?
burnt vapor
Yes.
modest fiber
thats an odd AT mine
cobalt patrol
This time over the flamethrower
I wanna know how many have actually fucking tested it, because it's still fine, even good agaisnt bugs. actually very good!
It just.. requires you to go for the butts on chargers now, which is like, annoying
but also not actually the worst?
Again, i ran it for an entire helldive OP and not once were @stone bridge @hexed steeple or @sage plume like "Oh, penguin's not cotnriubting with the flamethrwoer". we were a bit surprised about the chargers not going down like they used to ,but we adjusted and kept on rolling
heady halo
oh shit they made hte crossbow one handed?
sage plume
Again, i ran it for an entire helldive OP and not once were <@166290470530580480...
the only """""complaint""""" i had with you using the flamethrower was that i didnt get to use it
heady halo
i want an anti armour flamthrower now
narrow short ranged "beam" that still requires care as it lights the floor on fire
strange vine
10s lol
tall stone
Oh boy
sage plume
that would be cool like a verry misused welding tocrch
hexed steeple
oh penguin's not contributing with the flamethrower
cobalt patrol
oh penguin's not contributing with the flamethrower
stare
hexed steeple
:3c
strange vine
oh cool, different sub objectives for an MO
tall stone
Yeeee
quick plinth
if they're gonna have impaliers running around in addition to bile titans and behemoths, maybe make the budget for behemoths smaller
just a tad
strange vine
you can destroy the missiles on the armored scout strider and blow them up
quartz cloak
Man
Why is it that this game's players are so nice to one another but the absolute worst on social media
strange vine
loudest people screaming the loudest
tight zephyr
The phenomenon of the vocal minority isn’t always true, but…
I have had almost entirely positive experiences with Helldivers in the game.
A little grousing about game balance, but mostly chill. Some weird people that were nonetheless at least funny.
quick plinth
it seems to me that 10s might make the reinforcement countdown shortener actually worth it
at least in randoms
strange vine
new warbond stats
Cookout: 16 base 3 durable, 20 pellets. 2 AP.
Torcher: 2 damage a tick, 3 AP.
Cripser: 2 damage a tick, 3 AP.
Tick rate is a big factor seemingly.
New booster: Spawns a big boom under you when you land. 200 base 200 durable, 10 AP, 40 demo, 80 stagger, 100 fire application.
hexed steeple
can't wait to cook my team when i direct my pod to land nearby them and didn't notice/forgot the booster is on
trim breach
The subreddit is having an utter meltdown over the fact that the Flamethrower can't go through Charger leg armor anymore
tall stone
I am also bummed about that, if only because it lessens the weapon variety I'm going to see on bug missions.
Because "Can you handle a bunch of chargers at once" is such a big deal.
trim breach
The duality of the subreddit
At launch the game is frequently unplayable due to server load issues, but anybody who complains about this gets downvoted because "GOOD GAME, LET THEM COOK!"
Then literally a week later, they nerf the rail gun and suddenly everybody's screeching about how the devs are anti-fun and they're dropping the game.
quick plinth
they really need to make the amount of behemoths smaller if they're gonna have them show up- because on a 10 recently I've had 2 Impailers 2 (+1 later) Bile titans and at least 5 to 7 different varieties of charger show up- we weren't farming for enemies, we were just trying to do the damn objective
tall stone
I do understand why people are getting upset this time, because good god there's so many chargers.
trim breach
Behemoths honestly annoy me, because any AT rocket is literally one damage away from stripping leg armor.
tall stone
So the folks who used to use the Flamethrower as their go-to Charger Solver now have to get accustomed to another weapon since their first choice just does not work effectively anymore.
Like, yes, you can still kill a charger with a flamethrower, but the amount of effort it takes is not worth it.
And getting used to a new weapon is an annoying process, because you have to do it on the fly without seeming like you're the one holding a team back.
quick plinth
Impailers aren't exactly bad as enemies- they force you to kill them, and doing their thing reveals a really squishy weakspot
but that's in a vacuum
in reality there's a bilion other much smaller and faster things around the imapiler trying to get you as well
making it incredibly difficult to actually deal with the damn thing
tall stone
And other priority targets also popping up, like BT's.
quick plinth
the upgraded striders are now actually worth using AT weapons on
unless you get behind them
they have a lil vent now
quick plinth
And other priority targets also popping up, like BT's.
that as well
is there more than one egg in the bug fortress?
because 2 purples and 4 rares for the effort expended isn't worth
tall stone
Haven't tried yet.
hazy oriole
the upgraded striders are now actually worth using AT weapons on
how well does the eruptor fare against 'em
stone bridge
I am once again imploring people to run a RR gunner/loader team if they don't like chargers
Especially with the nerf to BT head durability a few patches back making it a consistent RR two shot, it's better than ever - have the gunner run a supply back and the loader run an MMG, you're locking down all sorts of threats
quartz cloak
I feel like you're expecting too much teamwork out of Helldivers players
quick plinth
how well does the eruptor fare against 'em
Haven't tried
quick plinth
I am once again imploring people to run a RR gunner/loader team if they don't li...
seems RR's packinmethod is borked
I resuppoed and got 1 short of max ammo
stone bridge
That's not a huge deal imo, especially when you're resupplying from a pack 90% of the time ime
stone bridge
I feel like you're expecting too much teamwork out of Helldivers players
If you're playing with friends it is not a big deal
If you're not and trying to push higher difficulties solo, you know what you signed up for
strange vine
okay the armored scout striders are actually fun to deal with
you can shoot the missiles they have with any primary and itll explode and immediately kill it
ionic holly
I just
found someone who tried to called the flamethrower changes a stealth change???
cobalt patrol
So, i do actualyl think they coulda communicated them better, as it was uinder general fixes
But also like w/e
strange vine
the upgraded striders are now actually worth using AT weapons on
Nah you dont need that, you can shoot the rockets with any primary to explode them and itll kill them immediately
quick plinth
I mean yeah
but I can't really do that easily when they jitter all over the place at a distance- so hey autocannon and lasercannon still got it
hell I've had their missiles just go invisible at close range despite them still doing the attack
cobalt patrol
`Doing mroe bug missions, yeah, FT's still got it
popping butts with the flamethrower on chargers is super easy, and renders them basically harmless - they cant charge when they're in a bleedout state
So it's like am inute adaption to how i already killed chargers - stun grenade, flamethrower, now i just rotate a bit
tight zephyr
Do people actually use the team reloading mechanic? I've seen it like in action like three times.
Then again, all the people I got into the game to play with dropped it a week after I got it.
glacial light
If you're playing with randos probably no, with a team in VC then maybe
tight zephyr
That is a luxury I only rarely have.
meager saffron
I get why assisted reloads are the way they are but it is a bit of a feelsbad in pugs
the power spike you get on the RR especially with even minor coordination is disgusting
glacial light
True, 2 people with RR carrying their own RR ammo just erases heavies
meager saffron
even just one RR+loader tandem can lob enough ordnance downhill that waves of chargers evaporate
glacial light
I'm guessing it's fine for AH cause very few people use it
tight zephyr
AH?
glacial light
Arrowhead
hearty pier
Do people actually use the team reloading mechanic? I've seen it like in action ...
If you carry a non-backpack primary grabbing a discarded/spare backpack when someone recalls their weapon makes more opportunities than you'd expect.
I find it comes up a decent amount with Spears
unreal merlin
I always try to fish for someone's spare backpack
I'll team reload anyone any day as long as they hold still for me to catch up
hearty pier
Even if they don't stand still for a team reload you can always drop them a fresh pack once you've hit a resupply
tight zephyr
I had one guy literally trying to run away from me when I was trying to team reload him.
trim breach
After due testing
I can confirm that a lot of the flamethrower nerf whining is bullshit
"There's so much recoil now! You can't aim it!" - This is utterly false
"Not only does it not work against Chargers, now it doesn't work against Spewers!" - This is also crap.
tall stone
Oh yeah, it only doesn't work well against heavies now. All other bugs burn.
modest fiber
hearty pier
Oh yeah, it only doesn't work well against heavies now. All other bugs burn.
As I understand it, it only lost the bugged interaction with the forelegs. There are still joint weakspots you can hit from the front or just roast the ass like any other support weapon
A certain portion of the playerbase are just primed to go nuclear whenever something popular eats a nerf
See the whining about the Grenade Pistols ammo rebalance. You get better sustained ammo economy under the new numbers, you just can't close a large nest solo with only the pistol
tall stone
As I understand it, it only lost the bugged interaction with the forelegs. There...
The time to death with those methods is awful
Why would I take the time to do that when I can recoilless or EAT?
tight zephyr
tall stone
Nice
hearty pier
Sure, it's not good at it. That's not meant to be it's job, but it can. It's like the MGs, they are anti-light/medium but can drop a charger in a pinch
tall stone
Like, I get why people are not happy, because it lowers the pool of things that can handle the 40-50 feral chargers that bugs like to throw at you.
This is why I prefer bots: It doesn't just straight-up gear check you.
trim breach
Kill chargers with the flamethrower is more complicated, but eh. It still has a niche.
I just wish there were more ways to deal with Bug heavies than 'Somebody needs a RR/Recoilless/Commando, and everybody takes Orbital Laser or Railcannon'
Impalers...Granted I've been playing on 7, but the issue for me has generally been finding the things.
Once you do, they have a few glaringly obvious weak points
Spore Chargers, only ran into them in one map
But they're basically mobile spore towers in terms of fog, but with a much more limited radius. Apart from that, they're standard charger health and weakspots.
royal lantern
Honestly I wasn't using the flamethrower before but I will admit Chargers are the primary reason I prefer playing against bots
glacial light
They made crossbow a one handed weapon? That is tempting
Yooooo gun dog gets ammo from boxes amazing
hearty pier
Yeah, lots of fun buffs/fixes in this patch
glacial light
Blitzer being full auto essentially is a nice quality of life
tight zephyr
I took the Punisher into a bot mission by accident and found it to be much more effective than I expected.
It's really good at popping Devastator heads.
I'm gonna try out the Slugger next, see if its restored stagger helps much.
strange vine
Yooooo gun dog gets ammo from boxes amazing
it gets a full reload from 1 ammo crate its insane
strange vine
I'm gonna try out the Slugger next, see if its restored stagger helps much.
its back to being great
staggers devastators and berserkers
tight zephyr
Yeah this kind of rules.
glacial light
it gets a full reload from 1 ammo crate its insane
Wow that is great
I would have expected much less
tall stone
Oooooh, that could replace Rover.
graceful bluff
What's the sample counts on 10 look like
Also love how every time the incin shotgun does remotely well they nuke it
tall stone
This will still probably not stop people from taking it tbh.
The ammo may be down, but it's still a cone of pure bug death.
trim breach
It's just turned into 'tap fire' instead of 'hold down trigger in direction of swarm'
tall stone
We'll have to see how the Cookout compares.
burnt vapor
What's the sample counts on 10 look like
Something like ~40/~40/7 + the super base loot which are worth 2 super and 4 rare
graceful bluff
Not sure I like the preview footage of the anti tank mines having a hulk eat five anti tank mines before going down
also lmao helldivers still activate anti tank mines
tall stone
They're just as awful as I had hoped. 🥲
burnt vapor
Anti-tank mines are exactly what I expected that is to say underwhelming on a long cooldown
graceful bluff
with the incin shotgun nuked I need a new shrieker weapon
burnt vapor
Nuked is a very strong word it’s still good just need to be a bit more conservative with your ammo and burst fire rather then full auto
graceful bluff
yeah that's the thing, having it work anti shrieker needs a ton of ammo for that
glacial light
Machine gun turret also good for AA against shriekers
Although Gatling looks cooler firing into the sky
graceful bluff
we chose violence
glacial light
What do you mean "chose" violence, that implies there's other choices
graceful bluff
lol they can't hit me
holy shit I found the evac shuttle
just getting absolutely cratered
strange vine
holy fucking shit they buffed the beam weapons (scythe, dagger, laser cannon) to also deal fire damage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1221607272661385216/1270593965816807474/LaserFire.webm?ex=66b44457&is=66b2f2d7&hm=8cbbd3172363c8c11c250526568e7e3c26e71bbd4b05b8b4d76795d5a6e9e88b&
placid hamlet
holy fucking shit they buffed the beam weapons (scythe, dagger, laser cannon) to...
does this mean that the laser guard dog can now set you on fire 
graceful bluff
Also dunno if it was this patch but the lightning shottys firerate is also way higher than last time I tried it
picked one off a teammates corpse and it feels real nice now
tall stone
does this mean that the laser guard dog can now set you on fire <:paissaidea:650...
Having been on a swamp today, I can tell you what it definitely does: Light up gas vents.
oblique storm
does this mean that the laser guard dog can now set you on fire <:paissaidea:650...
No, it means the laser guard dog can now set my SQUADMATES on fire
unkempt river
I'm hoping Thursday Night to play some more and maybe do Bugs and see how Quasar works into the new chargers and impalers
oblique lotus
honestly I have soured on the helldivers community so damn much
every goddamn patch it's the exact same complaints every time regardless of what actually happens
unkempt river
Yeah, the general community/reddit isn't the best, but the in-game folks are fine, ime
oblique lotus
and idk it's just so fucking whiny
yeah that's fair ingame is fine
but watching my friends talk it's just "oh why nerf oh why nerf arrowhead is incompetent" and it's been nothing but that since release
even for patches they like
unkempt river
Yuck, that sucks :(
oblique lotus
"weapon performance reduced by 10% because it's literally best in class"
OMG ARROWHEAD DESTROYED WEAPON UNUSEABLE AAAAAA"
like idk there's plenty of viable weapons, just don't crutch on the top tier one every fucking patch
gah
cobalt patrol
but watching my friends talk it's just "oh why nerf oh why nerf arrowhead is inc...
The way it's devoured the thridspaces for this gamei s horrible
burnt vapor
When they send out their tentacles it should reveal one on their face I believe
stone bridge
Yeah it unveils a huge fleshy weakspot
graceful bluff
ah
Seems really inconsistent damage wise watching a video
the stalwart, hmg, and flamethrower kills them magdumping into the weakspot at around the same amount of mag %
unkempt river
How long is the plate open?
oblique lotus
The way it's devoured the thridspaces for this gamei s *horrible*
yeah idk just had a big blowup with them for honestly questionable reasons on my part
but it's like idk
graceful bluff
As long as it's tentacling
unkempt river
As long as it's tentacling
Any average time on that? Or is it just incredibly variable?
graceful bluff
keeps doing so as long as it thinks it can get you with em
RR being 3 shots to kill is absurd
cobalt patrol
The playerbase has been abosloteuy sociopathic around the game and nerfs/buffs etc. I rteally dont know why it's gotten so absurd and toxic.
but it's insnaely absurd and toxic.
graceful bluff
4 quasar, 7 EAT
The fuck did the EAT do to whoever balanced this lmao
Though it's probably just a bug
2 commando packs(7-8 rockets)
2 spears
hearty pier
That suggests that either you had EATs hitting different damage areas or it has a similar "sometimes the head no-sells impacts" that Bile Titans have
graceful bluff
5 railgun shots(weakpoint doesn't need to be visible due to pen)
hearty pier
EAT hits for just over half of a Spear
graceful bluff
I do wish the spear was consistent vs biles and chargers though
like being able to choose what part you lock onto
burnt vapor
Bugs in general especially their heavies seem to be the origin of 90% of the complaints I see
odd arch
and idk it's just so fucking whiny
everyone is conditioned to want to be and have delusions of being an influencer
having an opinion and sounding like a critic is vital
graceful bluff
Bugs in general especially their heavies seem to be the origin of 90% of the com...
Isn't it because 90% of players play bugs
yeah looking at stats there's less than 5k players playing bots right now, while one bug planet has over 21k :v
I do need to figure out a good setup though
The grenade pistol is really nice but I always wonder if it'd be better to just bring back the senator
burnt vapor
Tbf me saying 90% was being nice I can’t remember the last time I saw someone complain about bots whereas it’s impossible to go into any helldiver community without seeing complaints about bugs specifically chargers
hearty pier
yeah looking at stats there's less than 5k players playing bots right now, while...
It is a bug MO to be fair, you'd hope for a high bugdiving ratio
graceful bluff
It is a bug MO to be fair, you'd hope for a high bugdiving ratio
It's honestly not that different from the usual ratio
trim breach
and idk it's just so fucking whiny
The Subreddit is the actual worst. It's a self-perpetuating circlejerk of whining entitlement combined with the most insane self-righteousness. Any suggestion that turning the entire subreddit into a toxic cryfest over a weapon nerf is maybe an overreaction is met with accusations of being a paid corporate shill.
But that's Reddit for you.
ripe cloud
Flamer drop today boys
burnt vapor
No? It comes out tomorrow I’m near certain
trail nymph
Yes tomorrow 10am GMT
cobalt patrol
Yeah it's always been Wednesdays when things drop
ripe cloud
I'm sad now i wanted to bbq some bugs
burnt vapor
Yeah it's always been Wednesdays when things drop
Thursdays UTC
graceful bluff
I mean you still can, napalm goes real well against the lurker and the less armored tox chargers
modest fiber
i saw this one.. unsure if its accurate but 🤷 using only 3 weapons sound boring
cobalt patrol
Thursdays UTC
Shhh, I was being nice to the people who aren't living in the future like I am
quartz cloak
i saw this one.. unsure if its accurate but 🤷 using only 3 weapons sound boring
Pretty much spot on
Bugdivers especially are cripplingly risk-averse
odd arch
I'm very Being Followed By A Charger Forever-averse so I bot dive
quartz cloak
Okay, I will admit, same here.
And it genuinely feels like all of this game's problems stem from Chargers
odd arch
it's pretty funny that bots have a reputation for being the hardmode fuck you faction
and bugs frustrate me endlessly more
quartz cloak
Same here
unreal merlin
bots reward precision, bugs reward persistence (both are true for either enemy just in different amounts)
but like, bugs tend to just be "here, have a fuckload of enemies swarming you" every few minutes
at least with bots you can engage at distance
daring monolith
The defense missions seem much more difficult for bugs with the impaler on the field. A buddy and I tried several and as soon as impalers showed up we started getting massacred
cobalt patrol
At least when you know impalers are around they're giant "Get fucked" targets
On account of being cvripplingly weak to ordance to the face
odd arch
I like how no one is saying anything about the shield backpack becoming even more top picked btw
graceful bluff
I find it funny how I've never really bothered with it
If I wear a backpack it's either for the weapon or a supply backpack
unreal merlin
It's good, but I kind of think it's a crutch.
quartz cloak
By the way, I've heard the railgun got re-adjusted, or at least it kills more things now?
burnt vapor
Calling shield pack a crutch feels kinda elitist it’s not like it is super op or anything
It’s popular because it helps mitigate a lot of objectively unfun things like getting randomly headshot or slowed by any number of random things
cobalt patrol
It's good, but I kind of think it's a crutch.
It is a crtuch. So i can stop limping from my teamamtes disteringrating me
But also i play hyper aggressive, i'm qutie happy to have a crutch to enable my PHENOMONAL COSMIC FIRE MURDER playstyle
strange vine
Seems really inconsistent damage wise watching a video
The head has 1 armor and 1700 hp with 70% durable, so explosives or high durable damage weapons will be more effective
hexed steeple
i love new one handed crossbow with my ballistic shield
hearty pier
1 handed crossbow is really nice
unreal merlin
I don't know if one-handedness is enough to bring it into the limelight like it used to be, but it's something at least.
stone bridge
I think it adds a huge niche to it, combined with the ballistic shield
Good change for sure
hearty pier
Yeah, it was almost there pre-patch. I think being one-handed is enough juice that I have reasons to actively want it for certain loadouts
unreal merlin
I do still like it as a utility tool for sure. Crossbow + Deagle and support weapon of choice (probably AT of some sort) is a very fun setup.
modest fiber
i love new one handed crossbow with my ballistic shield
they added a new weapon or is this the existing one?
unreal merlin
The existing crossbow is now one-handed and can be used with ballistic shield or while carrying objectives.
hearty pier
I do still like it as a utility tool for sure. Crossbow + Deagle and support wea...
Just ran x-bow, redeemer, laser cannon vs bugs for a carry drive objective and it worked really smoothly
modest fiber
neat, then again i haven't used it anyway, tho i saw it got med ap so gonna be more useful on bots :3
hearty pier
Explosive is a really nice trait vs bugs and you have a lot of ammo to close bug holes
glacial light
I wonder if they're gonna add more carried objectives or uses for one handed weapons
odd arch
funny that the patch that let the crossbow (ostensibly a stealth weapon) be used with a shield also patched out hiding behind a shield
imagine ghost crossbowmen
tight zephyr
I like the Punisher a lot. It might be my new favorite gun.
I kind of slept on it for a long time, especially against bots. But I’m having a great time with it.
tight zephyr
I haven’t tried it with a jump pack. Gonna give that a go once I’m home.
The jump pack is really handy.
stark ether
a very random thought but i still want a viscera clean up detail helldivers crossover
tight zephyr
I like the tendie.
trim breach
Punisher is honestly my goto anti-bug primary
Just because of that lovely stagger
No-selling a charging Stalker by essentially stun-locking it is very satisfying
glacial light
Something I like the idea of is jumpjet and Commando since it's laser guided and the tracking is kind of wild you just have to point after a midair shot to your target
You can finally be accurate* with a weapon and use jumpjets
strange vine
now
stark ether
hmmmm sounds like its time for another blackhole
glacial light
Dark fluid matter spatial and potentially temporal event, legally distinct form blackholes
cerulean sluice
I really want the “spore cloud” to be 100% made up by Super Earth authorities
glacial light
The terminids we've been fighting? All fake is just all holograms from our super destroyer
tight zephyr
raises hand
How did a bunch of spores permeate interstellar space within the span of 24 hours?
glacial light
Me as a medic armor and supply pack main I am living it up so good
I am definitely gonna hit 30 stims a mission easy
glacial light
How did a bunch of spores permeate interstellar space within the span of 24 hour...
Question. I've been doing nothing but activating spore towers for the last 3 days
tall stone
How did a bunch of spores permeate interstellar space within the span of 24 hour...
They have been doing this the whole time.
But also, we did just do an MO about "Hey, how can we get the Terminids to reproduce faster?"
Also this.
graceful bluff
They *have* been doing this the whole time.
you've been told they've been doing this the entire time
The recent spreading surely cannot be because helldivers have recently been tasked to steal hive queen eggs :v
tall stone
Also out of universe we have been told this.
Super Earth will 100% twist facts to suit its narrative. It doesn't seem interested in fabricating evidence though.
Because those resources could be better used to fight the war.
graceful bluff
I mean literally the main reason we're even fighting bugs is to get more oil for our war machines
tall stone
And they directly tell us that, yes.
The standing policy on the Super Destroyers has 100% been "Don't think about it, and report anyone who does think about it."
The evidence is all just out there, we run into it all the time.
Super Earth doesn't care unless we do something
graceful bluff
While showing propaganda of automatons stealing prams on super earth, and the intro propaganda literally being terminids on super earth
tall stone
But manufacturing a cloud that we can see in space, while other reports are about how the bug spores travel through space?
strange vine
||the Gloom :)||
tall stone
Super Earth lies to its population all the time. It spends way less time lying to Helldivers, because there are some things we do have to know.
cerulean sluice
||I think the cloud is fake, a Super Earth coverup to justify more war spending and supress ecological study of E-710 production impacts||
||just like "bots steal kids"||
graceful bluff
Also honestly the entire conversation about terminids in both helldivers 1 and 2 is fake, in helldivers 1 we saw the terminid homeworlds, there was human construction on it
tall stone
||I think the cloud is fake, a Super Earth coverup to justify more war spending ...
||I am reasonably certain the bots do take kids, but not for the reasons Super Earth says||
strange vine
Small stuff for propaganda i buy but something interstellar is beyond what super earth is willing to fabricate
graceful bluff
Yeeting a bunch of shit in low orbit around a planet isn't really hard for this level of tech
tall stone
Yeeting it through several planetary systems is a different matter.
It's way too expensive for something they can do for basically free with stuff they already have.
strange vine
Actual datamine story spoilers ||this is all leading up to the Gloom which eats up interstellar probes and causes a bunch of terminid planets to go dark and unable to be seen or scanned||
graceful bluff
oh those clouds, they're quite bigger than what I thought you were talkign about
also anyone wanna farm credits
tall stone
Super Earth Propaganda is along the lines of "Don't let Terminids eat babies"
Not "Wow, there's a massive interstellar cloud building up around these planets"
graceful bluff
and "we totally didn't create an outbreak on this planet to increase oil output, ignore those farmers that are saying so in those illegal broadcasts"
oh huh you can see eagle callins from other players now?
just saw an eagle do a strafe off map
strange vine
Think that's just set dressing
graceful bluff
huh neat looking map
tall stone
Eyyyy, fire nation time!
graceful bluff
I do wish the game remembered your stratagem loadout
also might have to farm another 1k sc cause I've gotten addicted to the stim boost
Also I don't usually mod multiplayer games but I really want a mod that lets you solo open friendship bunkers
They really shouldn't spawn when solo
tight zephyr
They really don't like it when you go solo.
graceful bluff
also small trick I found the other day
if you press 4 to take out your grenade, you don't have to salute the crashed loot pods to open them
so you're not locked in place while its opening
unreal merlin
That's neat
graceful bluff
has to be the smallest map I've seen in a while
tight zephyr
Trivial maps tend to be about the size of a parking lot, yeah.
modest fiber
Eyyyy, fire nation time!
our time has come
tight zephyr
I am ten Super Credits short of getting the 1k needed for the new warbond.
graceful bluff
Light armor experimental infusion with supply backpack feels so good with the new ability to use infusions whenever
unreal merlin
Was helping some people with SC farming earlier, we got it down to a system. Medic armor, stims, jump packs and crossbows. Scatter in 4 directions, if anyone found a bunker someone blows themselves up and gets reinforced across the map to them
graceful bluff
if you have experimental infusion, supply backpacks so much better than jump packs
unreal merlin
Yeah but jump packs fun...
keen zinc
if you have experimental infusion, supply backpacks so much better than jump pac...
supply pack is cringe
wind arrow
how so?
keen zinc
cant jump
wind arrow
ah
stone bridge
based
unreal merlin
My actual answer is that I'm just resourceful enough to not need supply pack ever, so being able to vault over walls or traverse terrain faster is more useful.
cobalt patrol
Genuinely if teammates etc could stop blasting me to bits, I'd run jetpack over the shield pack in a heart beat
sharp crater
I should take jump pack more
I have wrested myself away from Automatic-Autocannon life so my backpack is free
stark ether
i always take supply pack and then yell at the ui for not actually telling me my team's ammo when they have support weapons with no spare mags (RR laser cannon etc.)
graceful bluff
cant jump
grenade jump with the extra stims :v
Also I might have been underestimating tank mines
they work really well in 10's where brood commanders shrug off spears
keen zinc
I wanna play Helldivers 2 tomorrow
stone bridge
they work really well in 10's where brood commanders shrug off spears
Wait why are we shooting brood commanders with spears
graceful bluff
Wait why are we shooting brood commanders with spears
I had an extra shot before resupplying :v
and was really surprised that it just no sold it
keen zinc
New version of brood commanders with even less vital organs than the previous version
Now can be whittled to naught but a cartoon skeleton and still maintain combat effectiveness
cobalt patrol
Ahhh, the final shape approach
stone bridge
Autocannon sweeps regular brood commanders and alpha versions alike
One square shot to the head and it's a decap
cobalt patrol
They still seem very flammable & you can mulch them run the Dominator
stone bridge
Very underrated bug weapon and it's even better now Impalers are in play
meager saffron
i've yet to see autocannon and underrated in the same sentence in quite some time
stone bridge
Feels like I'm the only one running it in bug drops
tight zephyr
I got my first Impaler kill today.
Its main body surfaced like right next to me, so I whipped out the RR and swatted it.
cobalt patrol
Feels like I'm the only one running it in bug drops
I just can't make it work with the crowd control bugs demand.
stone bridge
I just can't make it work with the crowd control bugs demand.
I just work my stratagems around it, tbh
hearty pier
Covering every other bug beach with a gas strike does wonders for crowd control
stone bridge
Generally I run OPS/Airburst/Gas/AC, or EATS instead of OPS if I feel like the team needs more AT firepower
Clusters also work if its extremely high density
glad marsh
Hey all
Haven't been here in a little while, is Arrowhead still a little heavy-handed with balance?
unkempt river
eh? They've slowed their rate of balancing so that the balance changes have time to sort themselves out and the changes that are bugged can get fixed, but they still tend to make a lot of changes at the same time and some can be drastic?
graceful bluff
They're a bit yeah
less so than before, but still enough to feel
like the guns are still good, it just makes you ask why they punched that hard
It feels like they don't look too hard at why something was used a lot
stone bridge
I honestly don't think they ever were
graceful bluff
Like 90% of people used the incin shotgun because shriekers are fucking annoying and magdumping a flock of them was a good way to get rid of them, and since the vast majority of people play bugs, this means it got used a lot
stone bridge
I mean, did they?
You gotta admit the breaker incen was also just really strong in general and the best overall breaker quite easily
It still has that power, you just need to be circumspect in how you use it now, or bring a supply pack
Seems fair to me
blissful sparrow
i very much remember the breaker incen already being the goto weapon before shriekers even released
cobalt patrol
Yeah, folks are well, insane
even the flamethrwoer nerf vs chargers is like... Fine? Not even that big a deal, honestly?
I rotate a bit more to fight chargers now
and get a bit more annoyed at teamamtes wasting railcannons on chargers who's butts i've already popped
rather than chargers i'm halfway through mleting their leg
So, fucn tioanly, no real difference
hearty pier
Hitting the ammo was the best case nerf for the Breaker Incen. Still has all the raw power that people picked it for, you just need to manage the ammo a bit more. Now there are reasons to take the more ammo efficient (but less lethal) primaries
odd arch
the trick is to take all ammo inefficient weapons so you can carve your way to the next Everything resupply
burn bright
blissful sparrow
Oh, shiny
cobalt patrol
<@&1206091872716595200> Warbond's out
quick plinth
I never got why people used the breaker incendiary, it genuinely puzzles me, because it kills stuff slower in exchange for damage over time, on the bug front, where everything is charging at you
graceful bluff
I never got why people used the breaker incendiary, it genuinely puzzles me, bec...
It's basically a flak cannon
quick plinth
(you have to magdump lots to get on the same level as just pointing and clicking with say- regular breaker, which still gives you the option of dumping ur mag into something if need be)
graceful bluff
you spray it across an area and it deals with the small shit
quick plinth
small shit like scavs has never been the issue though
graceful bluff
while still being able to hit spreads close enough to pop bug heads
the tiny jumpy fuckers, shriekers mainly
quick plinth
well that explains it
I've never had issues with those enemies
anyway- how are we meant to finish the first part of the MO when the planet is liberated
graceful bluff
betray super earth
but yeah magdumping a bug breach just cleaning out all the lil shits felt so good
it's not so much having a problem dealing with the jumpy fucks or the shriekers than it is that you just don't wanna deal with em
and going brrrt in their general direction fixed that
quick plinth
for me- turning the breaker, a weapon that can instantly gib any medium and small bug in a single shell- into something that can't seems counter intiuitive
cobalt patrol
Okay, okay, the Torcher? Might be kinda cracked. @stone bridge Esp as a pairing with the Autocannon into bugs
cobalt patrol
Well
it's a primary flamethrower.
with medium armor pen
it's not as killy as the support weapon flamethrwoer
but it's still pretty killy -= enoguh to termiante warriors and anything smaller fast
and it'll do in bile spewers and brood commanders pretty fast
6 mags, good ammo on them, fast reloads
good range
(I mean, it's a flamethrwoer, it's not like it's gonna map shit, but it's still got good reach on it)
hexed steeple
i hope they nerf more things
blissful sparrow
nerf everything until melee becomes the meta weapon
cobalt patrol
Genuiinely cant tell if you're doing a bit here or not, but like: what things and why?
graceful bluff
<@&1206091872716595200> I just want to set the world on fire~ https://discord.gg/hTKs9wA9
cobalt patrol
I don't get the review bombombing right now.
The breaker makes sense. I think the flamethrower "nerf" is... mishandled? Poorly communicated, perhaps
That is, the breaker incindeary nerf*
I do understand soem of the frustration i that it feels like there's a ton of weapons that dont see much use and could really still use some love to increase their pick rates
short rune
Yeah. That definitely.
cobalt patrol
But exactly why it's causing this partiucalr toxic vomit form teh playerbase etc?
I do not get it. I'm not plugged into the YT side of Helldivers or whatever
odd arch
i hope they nerf more things
real
cobalt patrol
i do blame the subreddit to some degree because the mods have just let it fester.
short rune
I heard similiar things about the discord.
cobalt patrol
The discord is also pretty gross, and is slowly getting more uner control, i think? tehy have actual community managers and support folks active now
it's not just twinbeard
short rune
I somewhat get the commando nerf too even through it's my favourite against bots.
One can still guide them into factory vents easily
short rune
They are planning to
Or were
They didn't do right now because players were vocal about it.
cobalt patrol
Basically:" it shouldnt be blowing up buildings from any direciton just like that
short rune
^^^
cobalt patrol
Players have been very vocal on enjoying this
I am... shrug about it, i think it's probalby too strong
but like
short rune
But to be fair, so have they be about Railguns early on
cobalt patrol
It's a pretty subjective feel thing, i'd mostly be concerned if it's just invalidating the challenge of shit
Honestly, wrt to bugs, i do think they could stand to m ke charger butts weaker
just as a specific "the way you fight chargers is get behind them and blow the butts off"
and that'd solve most of the issues and still eave cracking skulls with an EAT etc feeling good
unkempt river
360 degree building destruction is a little strong, imo. I think it should be vents+top, but yeah
short rune
I did that prior because I didn't know it could destroy them from anywhere
cobalt patrol
Sorry. I have trouble reading what you type right now
Try again now i've fixed the typos
graceful bluff
I mean autocannon can do it from any direction too
short rune
Thank you. Sorry 😅
Hmm
Doesn't the damage type still matter for weakspots?
Flamethrower still feels like before.
No clue what people are doing with it
graceful bluff
charger legs
short rune
With a flamer?
short rune
I usually blew the legs up
unreal merlin
Previously you could use a flamethrower on a charger's foreleg to kill it in about 3 seconds.
short rune
I usually decimated smaller bug hordes with it
unreal merlin
It also did that too.
short rune
So I guess it is the loud "Meta" players again?
unreal merlin
Yes, people are crying themselves to sleep that the obviously unintended interaction has been rectified.
quick plinth
I do not understand people's need to keep wailing about nerfs in HD2
short rune
Because now their Hammer-on nail tactic that worked for everything no longer lets them play with the same loadout all the time
unreal merlin
"railgun shouldn't have been nerfed!" except it was literally killing everything it shouldn't have been in a way that's not intended
"flamethrower shouldn't have been nerfed!" except it was literally killing a heavy target in a way that's not intended
it's not even hard to deal with chargers assuming you bring an answer for it. Have some kind of plan and it's not like it's the end of the world.
short rune
I remember being kicked or laughed at for using the AMR back then.
unkempt river
"railgun shouldn't have been nerfed!" except it was literally killing everything...
I do think it was a fun interaction and it makes me sad it's gone, but I understand why they fixed it
short rune
Railgun gameplay back then was garbage
unkempt river
Oh, yes
short rune
The nerf was good and its good they kept it
unkempt river
I was talking about the Flamethrower thing
unreal merlin
it's even fine now, I love the railgun's current niche
short rune
Oh
unreal merlin
(it still kills chargers ezpz but isn't overpowered about it)
unkempt river
Again: I understand why they did fixed the flammenwerfer and I'm not angry
unreal merlin
things the railgun kills instantly
- all devastators (shoot the waist or head)
- all hulks (shoot the eye)
- hive guards, brood commanders, nursing/bile spewers (shoot the head)
things the railgun enables killing easily - chargers (overcharge shoot a foreleg 2x, then pepper it with another weapon)
unkempt river
Just sad a fun little interaction is gone
short rune
That makes the railgun still super powerful. There aint many weapons that can headshot a hulk
odd arch
railgun not saying anywhere that you can turn on unsafe mode to actually use it properly is maddening
I found out by accident
unreal merlin
you don't even need unsafe mode, it does all that instakill stuff on safe mode
only chargers need overcharge
unkempt river
only chargers need overcharge
Oh, I thought you needed US to kill hulks in 2, rather than 3
unreal merlin
No. You shoot a hulk once in the eye on safe mode and it dies instantly
actually trivial
then you bring orbital precision strike to use on anything the railgun doesn't like (tanks, turrets, nests/factories, bile titans)
graceful bluff
Who needs comms anyway
unreal merlin
oh and I forgot striders, they're lower priority most of the time but pop them once in the hips and they go down
short rune
Okay. Admittedly I still struggle with striders
graceful bluff
the new super striders are a fuck
graceful bluff
yes
short rune
Ahh
unreal merlin
yes
graceful bluff
fully encased striders
short rune
Nevermind then. Lol
unreal merlin
not factory striders
short rune
I thought you meant factory ones. Yeah
graceful bluff
hm
unkempt river
No. You shoot a hulk once in the eye on safe mode and it dies instantly
Did they buff the Railgun in the last 2-3 months?
short rune
Their frontal armour is still the same?
unreal merlin
though I think you can hit the leg vents and the chin gatling guns with a railgun (not very advisable but you gotta do what you gotta do)
unkempt river
Or am I just a terrible shot?
unreal merlin
Did they buff the Railgun in the last 2-3 months?
it's been like this for a while now
use stun grenades
graceful bluff
I feel like the new incin shotgun is gonna fix everything people whined about for the breaker incin
it's real nice
unreal merlin
stun hulk -> like 5 seconds to line up a perfect eye shot
unkempt river
Yeah
graceful bluff
you don't just let one rip from the hip?
unreal merlin
after enough practice you can hit them while they're running
unkempt river
I was just under the impression that it took minimum 2 shots
unreal merlin
negatory
graceful bluff
Why is it that literally ever punisher variant is so nice
short rune
It's a solid shotgun
unkempt river
So I'm just a bad shot. Pain
short rune
When you are good at it
strange vine
Beam weapons got a big buff now that they ignite enemies after less than a second of the beam on them
unkempt river
If so thats very good to hear. They direly deserved some love.
I don't think the Beam Cannon needed a buff, but I appreciate it nonetheless
I do need to figure out a better way to deal with zerkers tho
They are frustrating
cobalt patrol
<@&1206091872716595200> So who's currently around?
graceful bluff
I'm around
unkempt river
T^T
quick plinth
I do need to figure out a better way to deal with zerkers tho
Anti medium weapons like railgun and autocannon make short work of them, lasercannon too ig
cobalt patrol
I'm around
Ya keen to roast some bugs?
graceful bluff
sure
cobalt patrol
@graceful bluff any feeling on diffuclty?
graceful bluff
been doing tens cause it's new but I'm up for any
burnt vapor
I’ll be around in about 10 minutes or so
graceful bluff
I just need rare samples
cobalt patrol
I’ll be around in about 10 minutes or so
Just let us know when you're around
south temple
is the warbond out?
stone bridge
yup
south temple
how're the weapons?
cobalt patrol
Torcher is pretty great so far
unkempt river
Torcher is pretty great so far
short rune
Are people running full pyro builds by now?
Oops all flamethrower
And pyro mines, and napalm, and jetpack, and phosphorus grenades?
unreal merlin
people are gonna just for the meme
modest fiber
this is the way
strange vine
I do need to figure out a better way to deal with zerkers tho
if you're at range then try to aim for their head even if they bob and sway, even incidentally raking over it can kill them
unironically a guard dog (laser or ballistic) is also a good option
my friend is insane
daring monolith
I'm really loving ballistic guard dog now
less friendly fire, incredibly precise, headshot after headshot
modest fiber
gun go brrr
stone bridge
Used the torcher for a little bit, seems like it'll be really schnasty in high density - being unable to kill hunters quickly is a legitimately big downside, but the crowd sweep is good enough for that to not matter as much if you pair it with a Verdict or something
strange vine
yooo penis op
modest fiber
me waiting for my headset to charge be like
https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455
unreal merlin
Used the torcher for a little bit, seems like it'll be really schnasty in high d...
I found out that it leaves you very defenseless against stalkers which is scarier. The thing has zero stopping power, so they just run at you and kill you.
stone bridge
That's what my Autocannon is for
unkempt river
Auto cannon is, imo, the best anti-stalker weapon, bar none
unreal merlin
I think it's been untouched since launch, a real instant success weapon that's just good anywhere at almost anything
odd arch
autocannon solo is peak already
but I want to try autocannon teams some day
though imo the most optimal gun team setup is spear/supply + HMG/spearpack
(RR if destroying objectives from wherever is less important to you)
cobalt patrol
I found out that it leaves you very defenseless against *stalkers* which is scar...
Testing things out further, the new Incin Punisher might actually be even better
it's got the punch and the spread and the ignite is really, really good
We just 5 starred a level 10
so
graceful bluff
you could also bring the shotgun secondary for stalkers
unreal merlin
Yeah I should try that out again
cobalt patrol
Also, tip for bug tens:
Everyoen takes medic armor. Take the following boosters:
Enhanced Stims
Max Hp
Max supplies
Reduced Enemy call ins.
You dont need stamina because you can just stim for it
and it gives you so much ability to kite the shit out of bugs and get space
strange vine
I think they should make a short range anti armor "flamethrower"-like laser. Give it AP 6 or 7 and enough damage to kill a charger in 1-2 seconds but only 5 seconds of fire time before overheat
cobalt patrol
I think they should make a short range anti armor "flamethrower"-like laser. Giv...
Hoenstly, i do like the idea ofa Plsama thrower or similar "This is a weaponized blowtorch, it is a thign for cutting enemiesi nto small pieces and widlly unsafe ranges"
odd arch
Laser Cannot
quick plinth
CUTTER MKII PLASMA TORCH
ionic holly
Love the new heavy armour, looks wise
strange vine
holy shit apparently the spores on the spore charger are AV2, meaning you can shoot them with say punisher or pummeler and stop them eventually
strange vine
Love the new heavy armour, looks wise
helmet is good on legionnaire too
ionic holly
Nice, i dont much click with lighter armour but still nice
Oh i am IN LOVE with the torcher already
quick plinth
my only issue with freedom's flame on a conceptual level is that it is entirely geared toward the bug front
graceful bluff
Fire shotty did pretty well against bots the one time I brought it
tall stone
Fire does work on bots
ionic holly
Cookout feels spectacular, god damn
odd arch
beams causing burning now is a pretty good upgrade to my usual loadout where my laser cannon is like a second primary most of the time
less time spent wondering if the tickrate made the bot I'm cooking dead yet
and I used... sickle... scythe... ??? the beam one a fair lot before I converted to DCS
this might be a significant boon to it actually
quick plinth
I think the main reason not to take fire weapons and AoE DoTs is that bots reward precision a lot more bugs
ionic holly
Honestly im just happy i can actually use a flamethrower despite being hardstuck "the anti armour guy" with my main groups
cobalt patrol
Cookout feels spectacular, god damn
Which is the cookout? is that the secondary?
cobalt patrol
Incin Punisher, right?
ionic holly
Yeah
cobalt patrol
Yes, that thing is real good
20 less recoil than the normal punisher and the dot from burning something make it feel very satisfiyng
ionic holly
And it still staggers
cobalt patrol
because even if you miss the kill breakpoint, you tend to maim shit so badly they fall over dead anyway.
the Torcher is real good too, though the "OH GOD STALKERS" issue is very real
odd arch
I think the main reason not to take fire weapons and AoE DoTs is that bots rewar...
yeah, I'm not going to be taking any primarily incendiary weapons because I need the flaregun guy dead right now
cobalt patrol
Though unlike @stone bridge I had no issue with torching hunters, but that may be just practice with the fdlametrhower in general serving me in good stead
odd arch
but beams burning is a nice extra guarantee to drop them with a quick sweep across the group
ionic holly
But yeah, torcher gets a glowing heart from me
which does mean my current loadout is now a flamethrower, pocket shottie, impact incen, and my beloved spear
quick plinth
I like airburst for taking out bot troopers
ionic holly
atleast my current bug loadout
quick plinth
be that the eagle cluster bombs or orbital
short rune
helmet is good on legionnaire too
ionic holly
thank god i still have this bright ass orange pauldron, surely people wont land on me now /joke
short rune
It's not a yellow raincoat
ionic holly
Honestly at this point i know regardless of whatever i wear im gonna be landed on
blissful sparrow
its not like 2 pixels of orange for 0.3 of a second are gonna make you easy to see
ionic holly
Im aware, thats why it was a joke
short rune
Is it gate-keeping when I suggest people playing a lower difficulty because they can no longer win games without bringing Anti Armour stuff which they don't do?
quick plinth
no
not really
I'm annoyed with people that complain the game is too hard, but then go on to just try to brute force the game like its any other horde shooter
ionic holly
Nah, at some point or another you gotta have something to check armour or, bare minimum, be able to support those who can
cobalt patrol
Yeah. Like we had a rough mission on diff 10, so we adjusted our loadouts for the next diff 10
and proceeded to crush it depsite *multiple crashes8
glacial light
i hope they nerf more things
Sorry I'm in the only buff camp (they only buff enemies)
glacial light
I can't believe I haven't really seen a lot of talk about this it's a big one for me
odd arch
I haven't had much trouble getting hellbombs off personally but it might be different vs bugs
in which case godspeed dead man switch helldiver
glacial light
Oh definitely easier against bugs since you just shoot the bugs closest to the bomb
Bots is the issue when you try to protect it then a random rocket trooper you didn't see in another zip code one shots the hellbomb and you got to wait for another. Smoke grenades/shield gen was good at defending it from gunships
Although since this change I'll probably switch off smoke grenades for bots and go back to stuns
modest fiber
<@&1206091872716595200> am gonna go into the breach on Esker and cook some bugs, anyone interested?
trail nymph
I’m interested
modest fiber
nice
modest fiber
I’m interested
the time is nigh
trail nymph
<@&1206091872716595200> 1 more for the squad
tight zephyr
I’m at work or I would.
honest acorn
Working too
quick plinth
Between Polar Patriots and Freedom's Flame, which warbond whould I get? (I am asking for opinions because neither really seems to strike my fancy)
ionic holly
i'd say polar just still has more bang for your buck cause it's still one of the ones before they started putting more cosmetics in
jolly mortar
pretty satisfied with freedom's flame so far. cookout and torcher'r both pretty fun primaries. haven't got to the third tier yet.
tall stone
OK, found a video for the new enemies that dropped that I think is good. https://youtu.be/dSRX2v5fTNQ?si=_phk7G5QAZTkERxp
quick plinth
that impailer circle is just
yes its correct
but like bud- they literally show their weakest spot when they try to roadblock u from leaving
ionic holly
Ooo shit i just realized something i want in HD2
i want a grenade that latches onto an enemy kinda like the thermite, but instead of burning it just drills a hole into them and then drops off an explosive
cobalt patrol
but like bud- they literally show their weakest spot when they try to roadblock ...
That's one of my favorite bits about them
tall stone
Is their face actually a weakspot, or is it just the charger butt all over again?
Because boy does it look like you have to dump firepower into the face.
quick plinth
Is their face actually a weakspot, or is it just the charger butt all over again...
when they burrow- all that frontal armor is actually the arms that stick out of the ground- they have lots of range
tall stone
Yes, I am aware.
I am saying even with the face uncovered, you have to put in some firepower to drop them.
quick plinth
I've been dropping them with like
a single quasar shot somehow
maybe someone else was dumping an eat into the weakspot or something at the exact same time as me
but I find that doubtful when it happened twice
tall stone
This is the EAT interaction with them fucking me over, isn't it.
quick plinth
what EAT interaction?
tall stone
It sometimes takes more than the two.
quick plinth
maybe the part hitbox is weridly modeled
glacial light
Ooo shit i just realized something i want in HD2
i want a grenade that latches o...
I want cluster grenades
trim breach
Is their face actually a weakspot, or is it just the charger butt all over again...
It's unarmored but it has a lot of health
Apparently the 'meta' trick is to get a Commando and shoot three rockets at a hind leg
Two strips armor, the last one kills it
trim breach
The head weakspot always seems to take more than two RR shots for me
cobalt patrol
Flamethrower and AC mess them up rioght fast
tall stone
Flamethrower does work a treat
strange vine
Is their face actually a weakspot, or is it just the charger butt all over again...
their head has 1700 hp and 7 durable, so fairly tanky but still way easier to hit than charger butts
graceful bluff
Hmg tears it apart
Honestly I'm surprised how well the hmg deals with everything in level 10 bugs
cobalt patrol
The HMG/FT/Autocannon team last night was fierce
tall stone
HMG is just fantastic, yeah
supple siren
I'd love one more clip but it's got enough power to manage
Just real fun to unload the damn thing
tall stone
Tears apart everything except tanks.
unreal merlin
HMG emplacement is so good (as long as it's not hard countered by chargers/BTs/tanks)
sweet surge
supple siren
the fact that any contact from a charger bursts them is so annoying
tight zephyr
<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone want to do some mid-difficulty stuff?
keen zinc
mayhaps
graceful bluff
sure
sharp crater
let's go
keen zinc
unreal merlin
Oh how are the AT mines we failed to not unlock?
graceful bluff
good on 10's, not so much on lower diffs
sharp crater
yeah they're OK. still mines
graceful bluff
theyr'e very rude though
unreal merlin
That makes sense given what I expect is huge swarms of those heavy armor pieces
graceful bluff
they detonate on stepping off them, not stepping on
tight zephyr
3701-8166
sharp crater
not tank sensitive, will blow up by anything
tight zephyr
Fucking booooo
unreal merlin
not tank sensitive, will blow up by anything
Nevermind that's lame
graceful bluff
that's why it's good on 10's
tight zephyr
I also don't run mines generally so I don't really care.
sharp crater
I like incendiary mines for maximum area denial
unreal merlin
The point of AT mines is that they're only designed to activate ABOVE a certain pressure threshold so they blow up armor and vehicles instead of foot mobiles
tight zephyr
It's just disappointing that we failed to keep them from falling into our hands...
unreal merlin
I guess if all you're fighting is 37 chargers/hulks/tanks instead of smaller stuff it does great work
tall stone
High difficulty bugs, yes.
unreal merlin
Meanwhile, bile titans: "hee hoo stilts :)"
cobalt patrol
Bile titans allso "OW MY THROAT STOP THAT AUTOCANNON OW ARGH"
supple siren
Bile Titans have me struggling to not bring OPS into high level buggery
Also; 120mm barrage has been pretty routinely clearing medium nests and chunking heavies, s'fun
jolly mortar
extremely funny exchange with a newbie in diff 5 earlier. he blew me up by accident with a stratagem. so when I spawned back in I shotgunned his head off. he got better at aiming his stratagems after.
important addendum: he did not try to get me back for shooting him, telling me he knew it was just me paying him back.
unreal merlin
Half the burden is on you (collective) to maintain awareness of allies throwing stratagems and evaluating how you need to move to avoid becoming a casualty (if at all).
The other half of the burden is on the allies having similar situational awareness and not throwing chaotic stratagems at their allies in stupid unavoidable ways.
jolly mortar
it was very much the latter
i was very situationally aware. he threw an eagle literally danger close.
like. in front of my feet
unreal merlin
I do a lot of looking around when I hear someone throw something and identify what they threw and where from. I can't do shit if they decided to throw a 380mm barrage on top of me.
jolly mortar
oh no yeah this was that. this was me applying shotgun correction to encourage him to throw farther.
unreal merlin
Reminder that throwing distance at a 45 degree angle gets you almost exactly 50m of distance. Use markers to rangefind, line up your aim, then look up to throw. Put warheads on foreheads every time.
oblique lotus
remember, strikes can't hurt you if you carry democracy in your heart
jolly mortar
by that logic, a point-blank Cookout blast to the head shouldn't either
lethal badger
cobalt patrol
Man, having the autocannon along makes BTs feel so much more managable
graceful bluff
Reminder that throwing distance at a 45 degree angle gets you almost exactly 50m...
And that diving and throwing straight up makes it go at 45 degrees