Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[ionic holly]

Then
don't?
do i have to justify my own feelings?

[honest acorn]

Powerful

I agree though I like the amount of “mook energy” HD2 has

[ionic holly]

Sorry that's
i wasn't trying to tic anyone off

[honest acorn]

I wasn’t taking that negatively to be clear

[ionic holly]

Fair

[shy prairie]

It would be very surprising to me if that ever gets lost given the history of the studio. They think it's pretty fun if your character blows up regularly.

[quick crown]

Yeah they know as long as the player is allowed to hit buttons again pretty quickly after dying its all fine

[strange vine]

yeah i dont think we're gonna ever be more than very squishy

the thing is what makes that fun is being also hyper lethal

magicka wizards were squishy as fuck but you can output enough shit to annihilate the entire screen or kill bosses in less than a second

even without the actual spells that create an all-killing black hole or literally delete an entity from the game

[quick crown]

I do hope the vehicles are made of a bit tougher stuff in the future though

[junior badge]

Imo that changed once they focused on multiplayer. I was playing solo and just scraped by in terms of damage output and then essentially everything got nerfed because TTK was just too low in PVP.

Oh well. Long time ago.

[ionic holly]

Never played magician so no frame of reference myself

[strange vine]

working on the tank girl, which should i go for, regular hair?

or armor plate that evokes the turret armor

[honest acorn]

The second one I think

[tardy onyx]

plate

[azure pewter]

Maybe put lil hair lines above the plate but ye plate

[sharp crater]

or a lil hairclip on it

suggestive of the coaxial gun

[idle hollow]

give her a cigar that looks like the coaxial gun

[strange vine]

15 hours to kill 600 million enemies...

[cobalt patrol]

It's seven hours to kill close to 500 mil now, so... yeah

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> who's around and interested in some diff 8 bugs?

[modest fiber]

sure, just gotta eat first

[cobalt patrol]

Eh, ifi t's just us, no thanks. I'd prefer a full group

[shy prairie]

I'm around

I gotta clean up dinner first though

[modest fiber]

neat

[cobalt patrol]

grumble Bug spores make nest squashing a pain

[tall stone]

I too love not being able to see anything.

[cobalt patrol]

I actually odnt mind the occasioanl loss of visibltiy, it's just when you cannot see the map at all

also, Oof.

[tall stone]

Oh, the map obscuring ones are the worst

Like, just makes the game so much harder to actually win

[cobalt patrol]

Player being a bit annoying, but you know, i'm trying to roll with it and not be too irritated.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight up until they made a genocide joke. At which oh, geez, what's this ? the block button? How'd my hand find that one

(Did actually say "annnnnd you're gone" then blocked them, because i belive in firm connections on why you're getting blocked)

[honest acorn]

https://fixupx.com/helldivers2/status/1793674703359353305

[pastel igloo]

oh FUCK YES

if we unlock that suit i'm never gonna stop running it ever

[azure pewter]

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[honest acorn]

I'm glad we're gonna convert it to only make weapons of war with a heart

[pastel igloo]

truly

[rustic portal]

its the illuminate superweapons joke all over

and its good every time

This was declined by the government of Super Earth when it was found out that the mollusc-like aliens had "large quantities of world-destroying devices", nicknamed "obliterator bombs" by Super Earth. This was deemed sufficient cause for a pre-emptive strike, aimed at removing their presence from the galaxy and obtaining their highly-advanced technology. To quote senator John W. Killjoy: "The statement sends a clear message to all would-be threats to Super Earth; if they have more advanced technology than us, be prepared to pay the price".
According to Dr. Henk Ploeg, PhD, "the amount of technology we are going to receive will accelerate our technology tenfold and allow us to create peacekeeping devices that have the power to destroy entire planets!"

[tall stone]

NEW EXOSUIT?!

[modest fiber]

i remember seeing videos about it before, still gonna be hella neat

[unreal merlin]

dual autocannons woo woo woo

it's gonna be like the first game's version and absolutely dunk on everything except the most armored of foes (BTs)

[strange vine]

Itll be better vs bots from what ive seen

It can do fine on bugs but the AC isnt efficient enough to split the bug horde vs bug chonkers

If they fixed the patriot rockets

[unreal merlin]

naturally it's vulnerable to being swarmed by bugs

[strange vine]

Thats all it needs

[modest fiber]

anything is vulnerable for being swarmed :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DTn3Gy7izE

[sweet surge]

We failed the last major order again?

[modest fiber]

i think we completed that one? at least i got medals from completing one so either it was that or a previous one

[naive dragon]

No just me

[wide zenith]

Hey... I found this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cs5v3j/this_rts_sucks/

[glacial light]

I did notice there's some weirdness with the bots in Helldivers 2, like the 3 other bots that look like me don't really shoot first when you see them, why is the PvP AI so bad.

[sweet surge]

Nvm we did

[strange vine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/279613729803599883/1243321442838384641/image.png?ex=66510cd3&is=664fbb53&hm=d7ef558825559280d0bd40897087448142d1abbe76b2a0e5d5f02587c7e5c90f&

[glacial light]

That's a lot of jets

[tight zephyr]

Nah it's only four.

[tight zephyr]

The more I use the Dominator, the less I think I like it.

It feels like a marksman rifle.

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cynu37/ttk_time_to_kill_is_not_the_problem_optimal_ttk/

@honest acorn re TTK - an actually interesting take here. Which i think I agree with? It also explains why people have such divise experiences

I certainly dont struggle to hit optimal TTK on most things, but i'm on PC - i know controller players report being a lot less accurate

[tight zephyr]

I don't like having to hunt for headshots.

I'd like to have something like the Liberator or Breaker that's useful for bots beyond the basic guys. Like how the Breaker Incendiary is useful even against heavier bugs.

[honest acorn]

Adjudicator does that pretty well now

[tight zephyr]

I don't have to be exactly precise with the Dominator, but its mag size is small and the recoil is so strong that even firing a burst is difficult to control. I'd rather have it hit not quite as hard but hit a lot.

[cobalt patrol]

I just use the Plasma Punisher atm

[tight zephyr]

Isn't that a Secondary?

[cobalt patrol]

and bully bots hjilariously\

PP and Adjucator are both priamries

[meager saffron]

plasma punisher goes crazy goes stupid

[cobalt patrol]

It's so funny watching it bully bots so hard

[stone bridge]

Plasma Punisher is a primary

[tall stone]

Yeah, Plasma Punisher is good at punishing bots.

And the non-optimized TTK is a very valid point! Probably why I've been doing so well into bots with the Rover, since it alleviates my ammo concerns and lowers that non-optimal time

[tight zephyr]

I'm still a long way off because I wasted a bunch of credits and medals getting the Dominator.

[cobalt patrol]

It's not wasted, it's still a good gun! And it's a really strong option into bugs (The dominator).

TYhough if yopu're really feeling down on it, i can understand it feeling like a waste

[tight zephyr]

I hate it!

Okay that's a bit strong, but I don't really like how it feels.

Its recoil is too strong for repeated shots.

And the slow projectiles suck.

[cobalt patrol]

@tight zephyr have you got it in semi auto mode?

[tight zephyr]

I switch to burst sometimes.

[cobalt patrol]

It's

absolotuely useless in burst imho

[tight zephyr]

That's kind of the problem, yeah.

It feels bad to use.

[cobalt patrol]

Hmm, i dont agree it feels bad to use but i am very used to using the autocannon

and it's basically a primary autocannon

[tight zephyr]

I don't like the autocannon for similar reasons.

It hasn't been as bad now that I found dynamic aiming. But it still doesn't feel good.

[cobalt patrol]

Hmm

Have you rtried the plain ol Scorcher?

[tight zephyr]

I have not.

I don't have it unlocked yet.

[cobalt patrol]

I on the otehr hand do, so i could drop into a game with you @tight zephyr and let you kill me so you can try it out

[cobalt patrol]

Also coolest thing I've seen a random do: we're dropping in. I've managed to pick the one drop spot that puts us right on a Strat jammer.

Random sees this, sees it's got a fab attached and manages to terminate the fab with his drop pod. Sweet as hell.

[strange vine]

oh my god https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTDEnpIcRbY

[ionic holly]

Wait were
people not switching cameras for the rockets already?

[stone bridge]

I mean not a lot of people know you can

[ionic holly]

Fair, camera switch isn't exactly a feature they tell ya i suppose

[strange vine]

I mean you didnt need to before was the thing.

[ionic holly]

Fair, i just always did it cause my mechwarrior brain tells me "shots come from this side so i want to be in this side"

[unreal merlin]

well that's good to know. I had forgotten camera switching was a thing (i did it once and then it was never relevan to me again) and I'd never have thought it worked in a mech too

[placid hamlet]

oh, what

well, nice to know this is a thing, should make the exosuit a hell of as lot better for me

[shy prairie]

Mmm I think this is a big component of why I like the arc thrower/blitzer

Where hitting optimal (vs bugs) is just "is the bug looking at you"

(and also sometimes "are there too many corpses/objects in the same area as the intended target")

[unreal merlin]

whenever the misfire bug gets fixed, arc thrower and blitzer will feel so much better (not that they feel unusable currently)

[shy prairie]

One minor thing I would really like is for arcs to be able to target bug eggs

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cyyw9e/i_just_found_out_something_amazing_the_grenade/

Gah, i cant remeber how to link it so the videow actualyl works

but

a cool thing

[quick plinth]

for some reason whenever I try to switch it just switches me back to over the rotary cannon view (default) when I let go of RMB (rotary cannon fire button by default)

maybe aim would need to be on toggle?

yeah its that

though it goes away the moment you go to fire the rotary cannon

and kinda sucks because I prefer hold to aim

[unreal merlin]

Man do I enjoy the scout armor perk. For different reasons on each half

• 30% reduced enemy detection range means you can get away with sneaking past patrols, or even into bases and objectives to flank or outright run solo away from the team, looting POIs like a commando.
• 2s radar ping around map markers means not only can you effectively sneak around patrols by yourself, but you can be a pathfinder for your team and identify where the safest path forward is. Additionally with good communication you can make it so your team is never flanked or ambushed by always calling out that enemies are coming from the North.

It gives a degree of tactical situational awareness that I LOVE.

[modest fiber]

wait.. this has been a problem? or is it one of those "just because" tutorials that people make for some reason

[quick plinth]

I mean missiles used to go where you aimed

but sometimes they could kill you under certain circumstances

they "fixed" it

but now they go left of the reticle

unless you switch cam position

[modest fiber]

huh.. yea i can see why that is confusing people

[glacial light]

Yea pretty much every weapon in the game follows the white circular reticle and the exosuit rockets do not

It's annoying to guess at first before you memorize the offset you need like the old misaligned (still not perfect) first person scopes. Except id say worse cause the exosuit machine gun is fairly accurate to the reticle but the rocket isn't so you have to stop firing the MG to adjust and line up a rocket

Before I didn't have to do that and it was consistent between both weapons and it went where I aimed

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cze6b5/how_armor_currently_works_sheets_spread_bare/

tl;dr going from 50 to 200 armor halves damage received, vitality booster is good because it reduces damage taken by 20%, headshots have 200% damage increase

[tall stone]

Oh yeah, Vitality Booster is just godly.

You survive so much more shit.

[ionic holly]

So how much does a headshot against 200 armour do post making it so armour affects headshots?

[glacial light]

Headshot armor is weird cause it caps at 30% headshot damage reduction at 150 armor iirc

[ionic holly]

Damn

[glacial light]

Vitality booster and heavy medic armor does make dying hard

Supply pack if you want to play stupid and survive most everything

[cobalt patrol]

I notice the difference basically immediately if I don't have it

[glacial light]

If I'm not using like 25 stims a mission it's not enough, I don't have a stum problem

[honest acorn]

That is odd

[glacial light]

Also I believe it starts at 100 armor with 10%?

It's noticeable on heavy armor for sure

Heavy armor good for bugs now since less melee headshot crits chunking you

I do love corralling a heavy nest of bugs and tanking the swarm while my teammates blow up the holes then throw a precision to get a nice 20+

Although I could use a mech to clear it solo

Spewers are still my worst enemy

[strange vine]

they really should make enemy constellations like, actually visible on the mission select screen

it would encourage build variety

if you know youre going to be dropping in on a bile-heavy map you can tailor your loadout for that

and if you know the maps going to be 90% hunters you can forgo medium AP weapons more to have more horde clear

as it is not knowing what youre dropping into means you have to have a generalist loadout

[unreal merlin]

so I can't seem to do the shoulder cam swap despite having it bound, IDK why it won't work inside the mech

[strange vine]

apparently it only works if youre holding/toggled ADS, which in the mech fires the minigun

[unreal merlin]

Scuffed but I do understand.

[oblique storm]

WHAT

[tight zephyr]

How is this Difficulty 5?

[cobalt patrol]

Because objectives don't respect diffculty, iirc?

[tight zephyr]

Before this, it was like Infinity Berserker Time and we had five tanks.

[cobalt patrol]

Diffculty effects what c an spawn overall, asnd the amount of objectives and side objecvtives

but it's still possible to get things like a double jet thing, that's not diffuclty gated at all afaik

[tight zephyr]

I've had Suicide Mission runs that weren't even close to that brutal.

[tall stone]

Sometimes the game decides to go "Eh, eat shit"

Lower difficulties are usually easier.

[cobalt patrol]

Also right now bot planets are explcitly harder

because the game is pushing back at our attempt to take the factory

[gusty heron]

I have felt that Difficulty 5-6 is noticeably harder than 7, since the former has two tanks and a dozen devastators at the same time and the latter has a factory strider, a tank, and some devastators instead, and it's way easier imo to kill a few very tough enemies than a lot of weaker ones (especially since one dev is very easy to kill, but they get exponentially harder the more headshots I have to land in rapid succession, even more so when I run out of ammo or get ragdolled halfway through).

[tall stone]

The Bot thing being harder is also an insane Decay Rate on the planets.

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, i'm a little frustrated with that

Don't find suepr high decay rate that fun

(given it's invisble in game)

[tall stone]

It's 5% on the target planet.

The fact that we're making progress on it at all is insane.

For context, the hard as hell Terminid Supercolony stuff started at 4%.

[tight zephyr]

Well at least this doodoo personal order is done.

[tall stone]

Kill 10 things with EATs?

[tight zephyr]

Yeah, it sucked.

I don't like the EAT.

[ionic holly]

Sorry shouldn't of said that

[cobalt patrol]

The only thing I don't like on EATs is their attrocious draw time

[stone bridge]

The draw really is terrible

[unkempt river]

It's so bad.

[cobalt patrol]

If they changed that, I'd love them a whole lot more

[unkempt river]

Like, to the point that Quasar charge time bothers me less because the time between "push button for weapon" and "fire" seems less after fiddling with EATs

[tight zephyr]

That's new.

We lost so many samples.

[wind arrow]

most unfotunate map in a while for me

[stiff pine]

You shall not pass

also thirding/fourthing/xing the fucking EAT draw time

for a highly responsive disposable AT Weapon it sure does take an eternity to ready

[sour falcon]

Weapon swapping in general has felt more clunky the last week or so to me

[blissful sparrow]

also do gotta say, Arrowheads support is impressively terrible.
have been unable to play the game for 3 weeks now cause my controls just stopped existing ingame. Ticket is still just on open with 0 activity, not even a bug label or anything.

[honest acorn]

Ooof that's a wild bug

[blissful sparrow]

weirdest thing is that its not all controls
it just shows xbox icons for the controls and all i can do is walk, shoot and reload. strategems don't work, grenades, melee, interactions, etc
not even if i use a controller

[honest acorn]

bizarre

And I'm guessing a clean install doesn't fix it

[blissful sparrow]

Verifying files, clean install, deleting settings files, manually setting keybinds in the settings file (holy hell is the helldivers .ini structure terrible), with controller plugged in and without, etc

[honest acorn]

That's fuckin nuts

[tall stone]

Have you tried using a different controller?

[blissful sparrow]

only have MKB and that one controller

[last mauve]

Have you tried smthn like ds4 to make your controller register as a different type of controller? Not sure if that would help but it might

[blissful sparrow]

could, but i already invested like 6 hours into trouble shooting and at that point i could have played the entirety of some other games i enjoy 😄

[cobalt patrol]

That is bizzare. Makes me wonder if it's a steam issue or something else somehow? Really sucks though, my sympathies

[tight zephyr]

I got the Slugger earlier but haven't had a chance to use it yet.

[modest fiber]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to spilling some oil?

[glacial light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn0GTO_zvAg

[turbid tapir]

Is the orbital laser Cannon cracked?
I watched it today slaughter 3 dropships in quick succession, ripping through another one so fast the tank it was carrying was stuck 100 feet above the ground, and level fortifications in the blink of an eye

It's like anything it touched blows up instantly.

[stone bridge]

It's extremely good - it's also on a 5min cooldown with 3 uses in a mission total

[turbid tapir]

Ah.

My load out has been 500kg, AMR, railgun strike, so I haven't had a chance to try it.

I finally figured out the spot on hulks to strike with the AMR and I feel like a god of death

[cobalt patrol]

If you can get the aim down, swithcing out Railcannon strike for Orbital Precision Strike is recommended - it hits even harder, shorter cooldown, and is more flexible.

Disadvantages is it's rather bunk on "Increased Scatter" maps, and it's calldown time is pretty hefty (8s on increased call down maps). Also... you have to aim it

whcih can lead to embarssing misses or even worse defelcts where it rolls back at your feet

But hey! the calldown time gives you a chance to GTFO

[stiff pine]

Laser is great, it's an automatic "I win this fight" or "This base is gone" button

but you gotta keep moving cos you only get the three

[turbid tapir]

Fair, tbh I've been keeping the rail gun as a panic button - for when I can't get a good amr shot or a hulk is right up in my chili

And it's nice to have a pretty much unfuckable 'die now' button

My friend and I were playing with a 50 level guy and he was using the laser and various other top tier things to rip through bots like a tempest

We were on our games today and this guy still had double our killcount every round

[tight zephyr]

I think I like the Slugger more than the Dominator.

It doesn't stagger big guys as much, but it does stagger them and I have an easier time with follow-up shots. I don't feel quite as much like I'm fighting the gun.

And it having a much larger magazine is very nice.

[lilac tangle]

The Slugger only holds one more shot than the Dominator

Being able to do partial reloads is helpful if you're pressured, though

[royal lantern]

I can understand not liking the Dominator for the handling, it really makes you feel like you're aiming a tank rather than a person

[cobalt patrol]

I honestly don't notice anymore, but like, I am very used to the autocannon

[cobalt patrol]

I regularly kill more than any other teammate on bot missions - sometimes more than multiple other teammates combined - and my loadout into bots is real simplistic.

Autocannon. Plasma Punisher. Stun grenades. verdict or senator. 500kg, Orbital precision, Orbital gas.

Simple and brutal

Sometimes I bring 380 instead of Orbital Gas, they're two very powerful tools that do different jobs

[unreal merlin]

h e l l y e a h
quad linked autocannons

[tall stone]

Orbital Gas is just so good at killing large numbers of chaff

[unreal merlin]

and yeah orbital gas is a favorite of mine. I had someone the other day get all aggressive and offended that I was using it vs bots, but I specifically am using it to kill raiders en masse

[tall stone]

Hey, I'm loving Breaker Incindiary into bots

That TTK thing that got posted the other day is right, it's about the same time as it is to kill bugs.

[strange vine]

20k requisition

free mech too!

[tall stone]

Yeeeee

Finally, req means something for me again since I'm not at cap!

[strange vine]

aw darn you cant bring both emancipator and patriot at the same time

[keen zinc]

What

That's dumb

[tall stone]

Eh, that's fine.

[keen zinc]

Helldivers 1 you could be wacky and bring nothing but mechs

[strange vine]

initial thoughts: bit wonky aiming, but the emancipator can kill hulks in 3-4 shots and can magdump half its rounds into a factory strider's head and kill it
very much hard to kill chaff though, so youll need support

[modest fiber]

haven't gotten to try it out yet.. due to my internet deciding it can't connect to HD2 even tho it connects to everything else

[glacial light]

Sad you can't bring more than 1 mech strat

Let us play Titanfall

[pastel igloo]

yeah

kinda sucks ngl

[tight zephyr]

Weren't we supposed to get some medals too?

[ionic holly]

Hm, i assume it's gonna be one vehicle strat per player then

[honest acorn]

At least you get 2 of them per mission with the strats

[supple siren]

That limit feels silly on top of the huge cooldown and their ability to die before accomplishing anything

[tall stone]

I mean, if they die before they did something, that just seems like poor planning on your part.

[supple siren]

I just meant compared to others

[glacial light]

Sometimes the drops just bug and make the mech blow up or not be accessible for some reason

[supple siren]

Laser has a limit because it's a godly beam from heaven that obliterates a full base

[glacial light]

But also mechs are pretty durable now

[ionic holly]

jesus fucking christ.
we literally just got it and the whining is already in full swing

[glacial light]

I don't think I've had one blow up one me unless I was testing to see about many mines or rockets it can take

[supple siren]

I more meant it felt arbitrary to limit to 2 on top of them having enormous CD and being unable to reload them

[glacial light]

Yea I agree about the limits, if you're in an active Frontline a mechs gonna run out like in 2 to 3 minutes

I'm guessing they don't want you to be in mech full time

If I were president I would let you be in a mech suit 24/7

[glacial light]

I haven't tried the mech autocannons yet but if it's similar to Patriot then like you're a walking tank that's like practically invincible to light units and can solo heavy bases without worry of death

So even if the guns are weaker than a stratagem autocannon it's still has it's niche

[pastel igloo]

honestly i just find it difficult to like

hit anything with it

[ionic holly]

Numbers wise its apparently 300 normal damage, 60 durable
wheras the AC is 300/300
but yeah no lets completely ignore that you can still bring an AC, dont have to reload in the mech, and it effectively can function as a temporary second health bar and just shout "its bad"

[pastel igloo]

aim kinda wacky but otherwise it's fun

[idle hollow]

That's a bug

You can take two but they have to be in stratagem slot 1 and 2

and not 3 and 4

[ionic holly]

Wait really? huh

[glacial light]

That's wacky

Ok good to know I can potentially run 4 mechs in the future assuming it's fixed

Blitz's and 12 minute missions will become mech times

[cobalt patrol]

Mechalaaand, mechalaaand

it's mechalaaand!

[pastel igloo]

nah i'd mech

[cobalt patrol]

New super earth policy: The trogdor song must be sung (in your head) while using the falmethrower.

[idle hollow]

burninating the countryside

burninating the insects

burningating all the robots

AND THEIR CONCRETE ROOF BUNKEEEERSSSSS

CONCRETE BUNKEEEEEEEEERRRRSSSSSS

[unreal merlin]

♫ And the Divers come in the NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT ♫

[cobalt patrol]

I always enjoyed the joke in Guild Wars of the various Rodgort elementalist's spells

They were of course, all fire. and they all set people on fire.

[quick plinth]

wish there was a time on target barrage

like a bunch of 120s or 380s all impacting at the same time

[glacial light]

The new mech is nice on bots, being able to stand in the open to tank is alright but the big advantage I see over a plain autocannon is the mech doesn't flinch when shot

So you can focus on hulks without worrying about the troopers messing up your aim or peeking around corners to make sure your shot doesn't get interrupted

Also I haven't tried but can you kill a BT quickly with an autocannon?

[honest acorn]

Beyond the bile sacs not really

I think it’s possible but not fast or efficient

I think you need heavy pen for the headshot

[tight zephyr]

How do you switch the camera around?

[quick plinth]

on mechs you need to have aim toggle rather than hold

and then press mouse 5 by default iirc

after pressing RMB

[shy prairie]

The medals take a little while to arrive in the mail (unintended, but it rakes a couple of days and the player base doesn't receive them at the same time)

[tight zephyr]

After having used the Slugger for a while, I can safely say that I like it more than the Dominator.

Like, it doesn't have the ability to stunlock a Devastator, but at least I can aim the thing.

[shy prairie]

maybe i should get back on the slugger train, i've been kinda lost with bots after doing bugs/nothing for months

[tight zephyr]

For some reason the Devastator always felt like it took ten trillion years to come on-target when I pointed it at things and by then the Devastator was usually already installing new, unwanted holes in my body.

Same problem I have with the autocannon, really. It just felt kind of clumsy to use.

[ionic holly]

Okay so
finally got time to use the emancipator and man my friends are dumb

it feels fucking great, does exactly what i want "oh but it does nothing to heavy armour" Okay, and? the normal AC doesn't either

and that's not to mention it's still stronger than a normal AC, on a pure strength scale i wanna say it's inbetween the support weapon and the turret, cause this fucker stuns chargers

[glacial light]

Emancipator is pretty great against bots where it's guns has the ability to kill every bot

Patriot is still best bot mech since rockets seem like heavy pen since you can headshot chargers and like 2-3 shot headshot BT

[ionic holly]

I've actually found it more fun on bugs than bots

Only thing that it really struggled against is BTs

but that's just a case of needing a different tool for the job

[glacial light]

Yea the optimal move seems to be like teamwork or jumping out using another strat to kill the BT and hop back in but I like staying in a mech until it's out of bullets

[ionic holly]

I don't really care if i have to leave my mech myself, it's a dance they clearly don't want me to be in the mech permanently given the amount of ammo and the fact it's limited

Kinda like how i wouldn't be shocked if the jeep and stuff have limited 'fuel'

[tight zephyr]

The Emancipator is fun. I’ve been using it on and off all day.

[ionic holly]

But fang! clearly all the weapons are bad and no one should ever enjoy them! they have to be good in every single situation!

Joking, to be clear

[tight zephyr]

Explode

I have a lot of complaints, but I’m having a blast generally.

Not with the Emancipator, though.

[glacial light]

Idk if it's placebo but Emancipator seems weaker HP wise than Patriot

[tight zephyr]

I think it’s fine.

I think my complaint boils down to me wishing the options for dealing with the Automatons didn’t feel so narrow.

I’m struggling a lot to find a good counter to Berserkers because they’re extremely tough and hit pretty hard, but also come at you in packs of a dozen.

Headshots are the best solution, but they weave so much it’s almost impossible for me to get them.

That’s kind of what’s been on my mind lately. Maybe make them less numerous or more fragile.

[stone bridge]

If you're ready struggling with Zerkers, bringing a Breaker will demolish them with waist shots

[tight zephyr]

Yeah but that takes away the weapon I use to deal with Devastators.

[stone bridge]

What support weapon do you use?

[glacial light]

I tried pummeler with ballistic shield and it's nice cause it mini-staggers berserkers and make them move very slowly and makes it easier to line up headshots

And regular/heavy devastators aren't an issue wth ballistic shield

[tight zephyr]

I either use RR or Quasar depending on if I think I’m going to need a backpack shield.

[stone bridge]

I'd go with Vivian's suggestion, then, or otherwise look into a more versatile support pick

[tight zephyr]

I think I’m dealing with choice paralysis because I want to cover all my bases because I do not trust randoms.

[stone bridge]

If you wanna do that my honest advice is to ditch the RR/Quasar

For an AMR

[tight zephyr]

A what?

[stone bridge]

Anti-Materiel Rifle

[unreal merlin]

I use the Pummeler SMG almost exclusively now, I vouch for its effectiveness in - if not killing rapidly - controlling berserkers through staggering them with only a few bullets.

[tight zephyr]

Oh. I’ve never even touched that thing.

[stone bridge]

If you want a take-all-comers option against bots, an AMR is basically an Autocannon sidegrade in terms of what it can engage effectively

It two taps Striders, it can OHKO dev or berserker heads

[tight zephyr]

I’m ideologically opposed to sniper rifles, but I’ll give it a try and see how it goes.

[unreal merlin]

Also, I recommend the Railgun. It plus the Pummeler turns you into a monster of crushing anything that doesn't have very heavy armor, and even hulks or chargers are still readily killable in no time assuming you know the tricks (eye shot, foreleg armor break)

[stone bridge]

I mean, if you wanna do what you wanna do, you kinda need to leave your comfort zone on this one

[tight zephyr]

Seems that way.

[unreal merlin]

Railgun really is great though, being able to one-shot any devastator, brood commander, hive guard, bile spewer, or hulk with a half second charge time and 20 shots is great.

[stone bridge]

Your support weapon determines a lot of your capability since it's the strongest 1/3rd of your weapon Loadout - if you're taking anti tank your medium unit killing power is just gonna be weaker overall

[unreal merlin]

Very flexible

[tight zephyr]

I’ll try both.

[stone bridge]

And yeah Railgun is def a good alternative

[glacial light]

Scout striders are annoying though, I'm used to having a primary that can deal with those and grenade pistol ammo economy doesn't cut it for striders

[tight zephyr]

Striders shouldn’t be as tough as they are, I feel.

[stone bridge]

It's less ammo than the AMR and a lot worse at killing heatsink weak spots, but it zaps medium units and Hulks incredibly well

[unreal merlin]

You can shoot scout striders in the lower body/leg hips to instantly down them with the Railgun

[stone bridge]

It's also more mobile

[tall stone]

I personally try to build a loadout around Med/Heavy enemies, and use strats for the chaff.

Except for bugs.

[unreal merlin]

Grenade Pistol definitely has terrible ammo economy though yeah, that's why I ONLY reserve it for popping bug nests or POI crates

[glacial light]

Didn't railgun use to unsafe pierce the shield

[meager saffron]

yeah

[tall stone]

Bugs have too much in the way of little gribblies for me to not want to handle them.

My team can usually handle the big guys: My Laser Cannon covers everything else.

[alpine seal]

it still does after the readjustment!

[tight zephyr]

I should try the laser cannon again at some point. I couldn’t get it to work for me.

[unreal merlin]

it's more sensible now, and just quick shot on the lower body (same place you shoot with a scorcher) will destroy them and usually the driver too

[alpine seal]

i believe the patch kept safe mode weaker than it was on release but unsafe is similar to identical to launch performance

[hearty sleet]

Have the AMR's sights been fully fixed yet, last I've heard it was still off by a little.

[tight zephyr]

I have no idea.

[unreal merlin]

For everything except breaking charger leg armor you can just leave the Railgun on safe mode, it doesn't need the overcharge

[tall stone]

My biggest advice: Don't first person it ever if you can avoid it.

[alpine seal]

i believe it does oneshot hive guards unsafe compared to 2 safe

but that's not too important since you can shoot them with other guns

[unreal merlin]

Hive Guards die to a single safe mode headshot

[tight zephyr]

Last time I used it, I didn’t even know you could aim in first person.

[unreal merlin]

Hit them right in the armor

Same with brood commanders and spewers

[tight zephyr]

I wish there was a firing range or something in this game.

[glacial light]

It's better but if you scope a lot like 200m then it's still slightly off

[tall stone]

Lower difficulties. 😛

[unreal merlin]

Off in what way though? I know that zeroing your scope to different ranges affects the projectile behavior, so if you're ranged for 200m and try to shoot something closer then the bullet will be higher than the reticle

[glacial light]

For me I try to aim a little high and center according to crosshairs but I usually see the impact hit slightly left most of the time

I used it for an op during the last personal order for it and haven't touched it since and it's not something I really use often

[tight zephyr]

Gonna be honest I never even thought of that. lmao

[hearty sleet]

From what I'm seeing in the linked video, AMR hits the upper-left (column/corner) of the scope.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cm9jfn/amr_sights_are_slightly_better_but_not_fixed_and/

AMR sights are "slightly" better but not fixed and the HMG sights are still broken.

[wind arrow]

do we know if some of the machine guns' lack of hitmark is intended or bug?

[tall stone]

Bug

[honest acorn]

Look if it doesn't win the mission for me and also finds me all the super credits on the map is basically unusable garbage

[lethal badger]

I wanna use it

I'm waiting for my friend to finish dinner

So we can test it

[tall stone]

It's good

It deletes gunships

1v5'd gunships on a mission I dropped in on

[wind arrow]

i'm still not used to how emancipator aims

[glacial light]

How good can a stratagem be if it doesn't help me reach Platinum 1 in League of Legends

[glacial light]

What if the future APCs were manual instead of automatic

Idk how that'd translate to mouse and keyboard but it'd be funny

[cobalt patrol]

I murdered once by focusing on the head, no deflects. Took a chunk of ammo but it went down

[tight zephyr]

I want to do a dive, but I'm way too tired. My own body has taken my Liberty...

[sharp crater]

dive... directly into bed

[modest fiber]

rip

[cobalt patrol]

Hmm

RIghtn ow my mech opinion lands at "I'll use em while they're free"

[burnt vapor]

Only being able to aim one mech arm properly at a time makes the mechs so much worse then they could be

[strange vine]

They are actually

[golden ledge]

https://fxtwitter.com/helldivers2/status/1795117725313794150

Uhhhh

[pastel igloo]

they did what now

[royal lantern]

Just normal things at the Dark Plateau facility

[honest acorn]

the fuck is dark fluid

[tall stone]

Pardon

[golden ledge]

Whatever it is, they made a black hole with it

[blissful sparrow]

Illuminate time! Soon!

[pastel igloo]

that is an excellent question

"unfortunate" incident also lol

[blissful sparrow]

Pepsi.

[heady halo]

darkmatter pepsi....

new stratagem: blackhole bomb

[short rune]

Dark Fluid is a WMD

IIRC

[tall stone]

Oh so that's how we're going to delete the Supercolony.

[sweet surge]

New mission type inc?

New enemy terminds?

[tall stone]

Also, we'll have 2 days and 21 hours to take turing after we finish up on Fenrir III.

So unless the decay rate is beyond insane, this one should be in the bag.

[supple siren]

And this black hole thing will definitely work, no way this is another Termicide situation. What could go wrong

[placid hamlet]

it will surely work and piss off the Illuminate enough to have a second go

[meager sandal]

they're totally coming out of that black hole

[honest acorn]

I'm sure this will go fine

[cerulean sluice]

||IIRC there’s files which explain that the use of the Dark Fluid as a weapon instead of something actually useful is why the Illuminate are coming back||

[pastel igloo]

lmao

[supple aurora]

Why do the major operations always start when I'm in a different city dammit

My timing is horrible

[strange vine]

its fine, this is just lead up atm, nothing really new

[supple aurora]

Tbf the 'normal' patch day is soon

And I'm out till friday

[glacial light]

Ok so the emancipator is the worst stratagem, not because of any mission related reasons but because of this bug

I thought they fixed the numbers in the top right corner with patriot, I am seething

[honest acorn]

lmao

[glacial light]

It'd be funny if they low-key intentionally did this for all upcoming mechs

Super Earth's mech counting department is behind due to bureaucratic reasons, even more behind that regular Super Earth departments

[blissful sparrow]

they probably just have the counting function that determines which strategems count the number up and the list which strategems are in which category seperate :P

[tight zephyr]

Is the Spray & Pray any good?

[azure pewter]

Many pellets go full auto

[hot meadow]

Yes against bugs, no against bots IME

[tight zephyr]

I see.

Also I did my very first Helldive and got this achievement, so that's cool.

[pastel igloo]

very nice

[tight zephyr]

Maybe I should do this one. Sounds like it'll be a hoot.

[quick plinth]

i'm dyin over here waiting for the fabled spear fix

[tight zephyr]

This guy's been throwing grenades nonstop the whole mission.

[honest acorn]

The throwerrrr

[tight zephyr]

No I mean, like literally nonstop.

Just grenade after grenade after grenade.

I think he's cheating.

[honest acorn]

Ahh

[honest acorn]

The cheaterrrr

[meager saffron]

bro infinited his grenades

[stone bridge]

cheatpilled grenademaxxer

[keen zinc]

Apparently it's a very easy to do exploit

[cobalt patrol]

It just sounds incredibly boring to do

[unreal merlin]

I've seen it once, infinite impact grenades trivialized the entire mission with one person. I'd have been less annoyed by it if they hadn't kept blowing ME up with it too due to negligence and throwing them right at things near me.

There's zero challenge to the mission if you do it though. Impact grenades are super strong and there's not a lot you can't obliterate with enough of them.

[hearty pier]

Even without the fix it still rips through the right maps. I do wish that it could lock shrieker nests without needing to see the base though

[tight zephyr]

I'm trying out the railgun. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

...Man does everyone and their dog know how to do this grenade exploit?

Oh, that's what it means by "unsafe."

[cobalt patrol]

I have to admit, i snickered very loudly at seeing this XD

[lethal badger]

Dark fluid from HD1

[unreal merlin]

Lol.

As a habitual railgun carrier, I recommend just leaving it on safe mode 90% of the time. You only need to overcharge it to 2-shot break a charger's leg armor.

Otherwise

• use it to 1-hit headshot: hive guards, nursing/bile spewers, brood commanders
• use it to 1-hit waist shot devastators of any type (destroying the waist or legs kills them instantly) and scout striders (will often kill the rider too)
• use it to 1-hit eye shot Hulks of any type (stun grenades help a lot with this)

The ability to delete all of these things with a half second charge and a well placed shot allows you to be a specialist in deleting medium armor threats very very quickly

[tight zephyr]

Chargers sure eat a lot of shots from it.

But it at least penetrates their armor, which the AMR does not do.

I've noticed that I prioritize the ability to pierce armor over just about everything else. I think I might've been traumatized by Devastators.

[stone bridge]

If you set it to unsafe and charge it for about a bit over a second, you can tear off Charger leg armour in two shots

Then you can kill it with small arms easily

[tight zephyr]

I see. I've been dumping shots into their heads by reflex.

[stone bridge]

Yeah don't do that

[rapid plover]

strip the leg armor, then dump into the exposed leg

[tight zephyr]

So treat it like a Bigger Hive Guard.

[unreal merlin]

Kind of. The only time you ever want to target the head of chargers is with EAT/RR/quasar. For railgun, overcharge it a little for two hits to one of the legs, then switch to your primary weapon and put some bullets into the orange flesh beneath

It's not very efficient for your time but it works reliably. I think it's just better to let whoever has the proper AT weapon blow the head up in one shot though while you focus on popping the heads off brood commanders

[tight zephyr]

I'm used to the RR but I've been trying to branch out.

Because I don't trust randos and would like to know how to fight just about anything by myself.

[unreal merlin]

It's good to broaden horizons and figure out how different kits work

[tight zephyr]

I tend to think of randos as being bots with highly unstable AI.

[glacial light]

Randos are bots?!
Robot kill >:(

[unreal merlin]

I genuinely feel like this a lot of the time when I join random teams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn0GTO_zvAg

Just actually befuddling how some people act at times

[tight zephyr]

Earlier I had a guy who just could not seem to grasp that the 380mm barrage has a huge area of effect.

[glacial light]

I mean a 380mm is just a bunch of precision strikes how deadly can it be

[shy prairie]

I had a guy who was just chucking 380s at random POIs we had yet to clear once. They stopped after I asked which was nice

[hearty pier]

380mm personal order probably got a lot of people trying it who wouldn't normally

[short rune]

I wouldn't.

It kills more friendlies than foes

[hearty pier]

Yeah, but a lot of people are easily bribed by 15 medals

[quick plinth]

im aware but at this rate thats all I'm waiting for so that I can play again

having experienced the spear utterly obliterate gunships because I preped and called in a resup a bit away and covered the team from afar

[cobalt patrol]

Ugh, the fan base for this game is incredibly toxic at points

the sheer entitlement over the patch not happenign today

[tight zephyr]

Like me, but I’m also very careful with my stratagems.

Shit sorry, forgot to disable the ping.

[glossy horizon]

One of the worst parts is that I feel like no one really aknowledged the DOT fix, which, in a roundabout way, introduced a bunch of "new" weapons and stratagems - some of which are surprisingly good (on reddit at least, the sub has really become awful)

[cobalt patrol]

I'm actually getting annoyed at the Breaker Incidenary being everywhere because people keep shooting me in the back with it <.<

[glossy horizon]

Haha yeah, it kind of is getting overhyped - or rather it works well if 1-2 people run in it in bugs, but the others should probably grab another main gun

[cobalt patrol]

also most people dont seem to know how to use it, they just spam the b utton

rather than slow firing to let the dot do the work

Really though, my main ARRRGH right now is people hurling stuff at bug breaches i'm ontop of while i'm busy setting everything on fire that's coming out of it

[glossy horizon]

Full autoing breaker variants is just fun though :D

[cobalt patrol]

Unless there's a BT, i can literally solo a bugbreach

[tight zephyr]

I use it on bugs exclusively because it lets me hose down a whole bunch of the little shits.

[cobalt patrol]

stop "Helping" me!!!

[tight zephyr]

I usually huck a single incendiary on a bug breach and forget about it for a while.

[glossy horizon]

how do you kill chargers with the incendiary breaker?

shoot the butt and they die to the dot?

[tall stone]

Fire good

Not even the butt, just the charger period.

[cobalt patrol]

I have a flamethrower

takes about a 6th of a clip of the FT if you go for a charger's leg and they just melt

That's why i get grummpy about hte "help" because i can just toast a breach with the Flamethrower

Instead of you know, getting blown to pieces by an airstrike. again XD

oh well!

Sometimes you get teamates who get really good flow though, and they'll wiat for me reloading

and then open up to cover me

[glossy horizon]

oh yeah I know about chargers legs being weak to the flamethrower, I thought there was some way with the incendiary breaker

[cobalt patrol]

You just set them on fire and let the dot do the work

[unreal merlin]

Orbital Gas Strike is probably my favorite tool ever since the DOT fix.

Bug breach? More like 49x free kills.

[cobalt patrol]

with FT i just cant justify bnringing it, since i really need the bt killing power strats

i should probably take another crack at using the railgun into bugs.

rsince i belive the RG can take down bile titans if you go for the head plate

[unreal merlin]

It kinda can but I don't even try these days. Much easier to line up a 500kg or Orbital Precision Strike instead.

[tight zephyr]

I've been trying to use the railgun but trying to blast a charger in the leg is annoying and I always end up thinking "This could've been over by now if I had a Quasar or RR."

I think I'll bring the railgun next time I fight bots, though. It seems like it'll be really useful against the enemies that give me the most grief on that front.

Got put in with a real diverse group this time.

[supple siren]

Quake Reference in 2024, by golly

[tight zephyr]

I met a guy named IDDQD earlier this week.

Think I'm gonna start using the Breaker S&P against bugs for a while, the incendiary is getting boring.

[cobalt patrol]

Dominator into bugs! Dominator into BUGS!

[tight zephyr]

I don’t like the Dominator.

[cobalt patrol]

DOMINATOR INTO BUUUUUUUUGS (but also fair)

still, i find it's ability to one tap warriors, execute bile spewers and other things

and onew tap a lot of other fiodder enemies make it a great gun

[tight zephyr]

It comes on-target way too slow for me, I always feel like I’m fighting the gun.

Same reason I don’t like the autocannon in spite of it supposedly being an all-purpose support.

Anything I’d use the Dominator for, I can generally do with the Senator more comfortably.

[reef raven]

honestly this; sometimes I'll combine it with the napalm airstrike by dropping the later on the breach and using the flamethrower to roast anything that manage to exit the (on fire) breach by creating further depth to the firewall the enemies have to go through when I'm fighting bugs.

Would also carry the railcannon orbital strike for emergencies but after being in a few random teams at Dif.6 that woefully lacked in general Anti-tank firepower I'm thinking of just swapping it outright for the EAT stratagems so we can have anti-tank something at a higher frequency

[cobalt patrol]

If you're flamethrowering bugs the only thing you need AT for is bile Titans. Everything else is an easy roast with the Flamethrower

[reef raven]

Oh I know but I still need to up my skills at flaming charger in fast enough of a timespan especially when 3-4 are running across the area

And we did have a couple titans too many without appreciable AT because my railcannon was on cooldown and the other player had dropped his quasar >.>

We succeeded the mission but, uh, gosh was it a closecall (we ran out of reinforcement with that team)

[cobalt patrol]

Stun grenades are the light.

Also remember to go for the leg, not the main body. With practice you can take down chargers as they're charging you.

If there's a ton of chargers you can often bait them into clonking into each other, and then it's an easy roast

[tight zephyr]

Game crashed right as I was heading for extraction on a team who got all of the samples on the map. I feel great. I'm normal right now.

That said the Breaker S&P has been fun.

[tight zephyr]

This screenshot amused me too much not to share. The Helldiver Experience™️.

This is Managed Democracy and the policy on the docket is “life or death for Fang” and unfortunately for me the bugs also get a vote.

[tight zephyr]

I shouldn't have slept on the railgun for bots.

There ain't nothing short of a tank that this thing can't kill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZGhWy6jOJY

[meager saffron]

it's a lot easier to aim for heads on bots and it generally does a lot more

[tight zephyr]

Even if you don't get a headshot you can gutshot most Devastators instantly.

I got a little shy of ninety kills in my last mission but nearly all of them were either a Hulk or a Devastator.

[naive dragon]

One of us, one of us

[stone bridge]

The Railgun and the AMR are both very good anti bot weapons

[tight zephyr]

The Railgun is... weird for me to like, but I do like it.

[honest acorn]

Confused about what chat this was for a sec haha

[tight zephyr]

I usually don't like weapons with charge time, but this is fine.

Now that I've figured out how the overcharge mechanic works.

I also picked up a ballistic shield dropped by another player and we made a phalanx while our other two teammates boarded the dropship. It ruled.

[glacial light]

Pummeler and Ballistic Shield is great fun on bots

Just tank almost everything

Cannon towers, tanks, and hulks will knock you around silly but you won't be hurt by the shot (physics might say otherwise)

And for some reason Factory Striders stop shooting their MG at you if you face directly at them with the shield

[tall stone]

Factory striders smart enough to know they're not getting through that.

[glacial light]

They will make you let your guard down the first time that happened to me I stood there for a second and switched to a quasar then it immediately shredded me

[tall stone]

"Maybe I can fake the invulnerable one out..."

[tight zephyr]

I don't have a Pummeler, I have a Defender though.

[glacial light]

Pummeler is good, I consider it an upgrade over Defender since it practically does the same damage and I don't believe there's noticable breakpoints between the 2 and the stagger on pummeler is great against bots so far

[tight zephyr]

It's paywalled, though, so I'm just saving up my SC right now.

[glacial light]

Fair enough I wouldn't say it's enough of an upgrade to get the warbond for it, I think the only thing I use from that warbond is pummeler and I played with incendiary but stun so good

[stone bridge]

I think the Verdict is really good too, but before the patch those three are the only things worth using from it

[glacial light]

I'm too stuck in my ways with grenade pistol and stun nades

Maybe if incendiary impacts blew up buildings I'd consider verdict

[honest acorn]

Oh do they not?

That’s annoying

Normal incendiaries do iirc

[glacial light]

I have no idea

[stone bridge]

I just run an Autocannon so I'm good haha

[glacial light]

I haven't unlocked it yet but I probably won't unless I know for sure or have excess medals

Even though I run tank everything never die builds I really dislike relying on a support stratagem as a pseudo primary even if its the best choice for some reason, losing it ruins it for me

[stone bridge]

Autocannon isn't really a pseudo primary tho

[glacial light]

Do you not use it to kill like every bot enemy

It has a large amount of ammo for a support weapon enough to spend most of the game using nothing but autocannon

[stone bridge]

That's just not really true ime

You go through it faster than you might think

And yeah I use it for most medium units, sure, but I can also Sickle dev heads if I need to

[tight zephyr]

holy shit

Stray Hellbombs.

[shy prairie]

They really did manage to get that screenshot worthiness into this game

The map only being visible on request is such a big thing for that imo

[cobalt patrol]

Arrrgh. Civvie extract missions arent bad... if people actually listen to instructions 😦

[unreal merlin]

That's what I've been SAYING.

Good that you've found the joy of cutting devastators in half at the waist. Feels so good.

Don't even bother with headshots if you can see the waist or legs.

Heavy Devs can be annoying as the shield entirely blocks the shot, but you can do any of the following:

• have someone (even yourself) pepper them with a concussive weapon (Pummeler stronk) to stagger them
• stun grenade
• flank with an ally around the side to draw fire away
• just airstrike them I don't have time to play your stupid shield games today you dumb bot

[cobalt patrol]

Failing all of that

you can just shoot them in the head.

[unreal merlin]

I'm a habitual sprinter, I need to RUN

But yeah

I actually get annoyed trying to go for devastator headshots though. Every time I try and I see just a halo of bullet holes ping off the surrounding armor...

Thus my preference for just hitting the much easier target of the waist

[stone bridge]

Yeah it's a lot easier to shoot

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone down to do a few?

[orchid pulsar]

sure id be down

[stone bridge]

sweet

@cobalt patrol are you still down friend?

[unkempt river]

T^T

[stone bridge]

come join

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge Sure am

was just soirting stuff

[runic cairn]

down 2

[stone bridge]

sure, we're just in a mission rn

Can get ya in once we're ouit

[unkempt river]

at work :/

[stone bridge]

Turing is apparently capturing itself lol

Started at 77% liberation with no one on it when we began playing, now at 80.6

[burnt vapor]

SEAF finally doing their jobs

[stone bridge]

They're doing their part!

Also I'm finally learning how to really use the MG correctly

It does so much damage and has such good penetration you can legitimately sweep it back and forth across a crowd and gets mad kills

[burnt vapor]

The MG will just happily chew through hordes of chaff

Nothing short of a heavy dev for bots or a charger for bugs can deal with a helldiver with a MG holding a position

[stone bridge]

Yup!

[short rune]

Hmm, is the mission board bugged?

We liberated a planet with 80%?

[heady halo]

i have now decided I love the railgun simply because its so good at removing bile spewers

THE most dangerous bug on any planet they exist

but with the railgun i can kill 1-2 at once (as they like to cluster) and it reloads on the move faster than they do

being able to kill chargers and titans is also nice

[unreal merlin]

You've converted at last.

It's a hardcore anti-medium tool and a limited anti-heavy tool in a pinch.

[heady halo]

it turns the heavy panic rodeo into an actual fun time

[strange vine]

They do

[ionic holly]

Mhm, they have the same building destruction capabilities as normal impacts

[strange vine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1d2pozq/hello_fellow_helldivers_greetings_from_the_newly/

[tight zephyr]

I would like an option for illumination flares on night missions.

[glacial light]

Clusters are bright /s

I throw a cluster and see a lot of dead enemies for like 1 second

[honest acorn]

It’s in the super arcade

I wouldn’t wanna spend one of my 4 slots on it i think but it’d be a nice thing to have for night ops on a shared cooldown or something

[quick plinth]

we need a 60mm mortar support weapon stratagem

that comes with like 5 of each major ammo type (HE, SMK, EMP, NPLM, and ig ilumination ones, abysmal resupply return for ammo, abysmal pickup ammo and long cooldown post callin to balance out the on demand artillery

[unreal merlin]

Pro: "Yay, we can see!"
Con: spawns and attracts 3x as many patrols to the area

[tight zephyr]

In that case you might be able to use it to draw enemies off.

[unreal merlin]

We think alike, although I suspect gunking up the map to be something that can bite back if you at all need to backtrack that way.

[barren iron]

forgot just how cinematic helldivers is

was holding an extract waiting for someone to arrive and they were being chased by an absolute horde of bugs

I like the adjudicator

have a very hot take

recoilless is better than quasar

[cobalt patrol]

I think that's a little hot. They're very similar but not exactly the same niches.

[barren iron]

since the ammo gain buff for the recoiless I've never ran out

free backpack slot is good but I've found the recoilless saves me in a pinch more often

lots of times I need to get off a quick shot or a charger will kill me or my teammate

I guess the reason why I dont run out of recoilless ammo is I dont use it as much as I might use a quasar

[tall stone]

They have different niches.

[barren iron]

so there's that

[tall stone]

Quasar will just always be there for you no matter what.

Recoiless can do more in bursts.

[barren iron]

yeah

when I use the quasar I use it

a lot more liberally

[honest acorn]

Honestly I'm pretty liberal with the RR now that I have the T4 which makes supply packs give 6 shots

[barren iron]

holy shit

need

[honest acorn]

It's really nice

I can dump all shots and get a full refill easy

Admittedly I've mostly been using it to spam the cluster rockets lately

[stone bridge]

I think the RR is better in terms of being an actual weapon, but the Quasar not taking a backpack is such a large ancillary advantage it makes the two reasonably equal in the end

[barren iron]

yeah

personally I dont care much about my backpack slot

[stone bridge]

I do

[barren iron]

it never gets used on anything other than a supply pack that I mostly use for myself anyway

[stone bridge]

Backpacks are cracked

Taking a Guard Dog Rover into bugs just means an additional 100+ kills by doing nothing, basically

[barren iron]

guard dog rover into bugs IS really nice

but I usually have my friends who are also bringing rover

[honest acorn]

I tend to prefer the RR and cluster so I can run more reds haha

[barren iron]

so it's just not something I need

[honest acorn]

Without leaving a backback slot unused

[barren iron]

also yea

thats my justification

I always bring a backpack blue so I can bring a red or mech suit

[honest acorn]

But also yeah with some rovers being used by allies I feel less pressure to use it

[supple siren]

RR sadly means no jetpack v-v, so it's hard to justify into bugs for me

[honest acorn]

Since once you have 2 laser drones I think a third is actually a net negative haha

[supple siren]

also the sheer amount of teamkill potential on the laserdog

damage nerf helped but sometimes they manage to lineup the perfect headshot

[barren iron]

kinda love playing with randoms in helldivers

sometimes you get shitheads

[supple siren]

it's the true Helldiver experience, very immersive

[barren iron]

but most of the time I get cool people

[honest acorn]

I generally have a good time with randoms

[supple siren]

Need more emotes for Stupid Internet Communication

[barren iron]

YES

I HAVE TO SAY

I hate how

every single warbond so far

has only given us victory emotes

[stone bridge]

I think this is severely overrated, I use and have seen the laser dog used pretty frequently and have seen it kill an ally once, maybe twice

[barren iron]

I was once set on fire by the guard dog and it literally instantly killed me by sweeping me

[supple siren]

Perhaps my friends are bad at it then, it wasn't a complaint more a thing I seen

[meager saffron]

it is always funny when I kill myself with my own laser

[barren iron]

it's hilarious and also why I stopped using it

[supple siren]

Favorite self-own is definitely the Railgun

[meager saffron]

I am neatly divided at the neck

[supple siren]

'I died.'

'How?'
'I don't want to talk about it.'

[meager saffron]

"let's just move on"

[supple siren]

'It was unavoidable, a cost of war'

[honest acorn]

I find with 1 its extremely manageable, with 2 they start to get hard to avoid, and with 3 I start wanting to lone wolf haha

But ultimately they threaten the wearer the most

(after the enemies ofc)

[barren iron]

also most of the time I find the guard dog antithetical to my ideal play style which is I should never need that many kills in the first place

(it never pans out that way, but yknow)

also I find that the whole "you dont need to fight everything, just run away" thing is sometimes not true

sometimes if you keep running away you'll just drag more stuff into the map-wide chase

[rough ravine]

I see that in so many games

[meager saffron]

sometimes it is just too late

[supple siren]

I'm always surprised how far robots are willing to take potshots

[barren iron]

sometimes u just need to pick a spot, kill everything that comes at you until it stops coming at you, then move on

[supple siren]

and how fucking accurate Rocket Devs are

Getting air combo'd is wild

[rough ravine]

At least in xiv it's intentional, but it's always hilarious in souls games watching people run away from one fight into two more, and they didn't even escape the first xD

[cobalt patrol]

Taking a shield pack into bugs means surviving so many airstrikes and clusterbombs (send help, please ;.;)

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1d3b8tw/my_mind_is_strange_that_way/

[cobalt patrol]

You know

i like fighting stalkers

but 4 nests in one mission seems a bit much

[sour whale]

4 simultaneous stalker nests seems like a special sort of hell

[keen zinc]

this is how they make helldivers

[lethal badger]

https://youtu.be/SkVFuSP8oN0?si=tgZx7kbVtkqEp8sJ

[barren iron]

im expecting a black hole bomb

or black hole gun

🎸 🎵

[honest acorn]

<@&1206091872716595200> people got time for a couple runs?

[cobalt patrol]

In like 10 minutes? I'm nearly home

[honest acorn]

Sounds good

[cobalt patrol]

I am around

[mortal wing]

"hint at their next update" is probably saying too much

I think there were bits in news and briefings about illuminate since the beginning?

[blissful sparrow]

Its literally a faction in the first game. Its about as subtle as a cliffhanger at the end of an episode

[mortal wing]

their next update - is the part that makes me chuckle

[barren iron]

I want like

a c4 charge for a grenade

[unreal merlin]

New major order is out, we're blowing up Meridia.
All of it.
The whole thing.

[strange vine]

[honest acorn]

Fuck this planet fr fr

[burnt vapor]

Sometimes you just need to blow up the problem

[unreal merlin]

also there's a sneak peek jetpack looks like a high jump that does DAMAGE when you take off

[heady halo]

https://www.tiktok.com/@maldhound/video/7350460059350011179?lang=en

[blissful sparrow]

500kg: you have none

[lethal dagger]

https://fxtwitter.com/helldivers2/status/1796205656334028938

it begins

[azure pewter]

Loving the clown on operation enduring freedom lol

[idle hollow]

i get back on monday

:(

[strange vine]

https://i.imgur.com/V7XPXf0.mp4

[tight zephyr]

I mean… we’re just shock infantry. The fuck are we supposed to do here? Feels like a Navy problem if you ask me.

[glacial light]

Teaching helldivers to swim would take too much training time

[honest acorn]

GET POURING THE FLUID

We got buckets full of... stuff to pour into bug holes and when it trickles down enough to meet in the middle of the planet its so over for them

[strange vine]

yeah you need flashlights on in the new mission lol

[strange vine]

for the new mission type: bring EMS and gas

[glad orchid]

There's a new mission type?

[strange vine]

on meridia yes

[glad orchid]

Fun! Will have to check it out

[unreal merlin]

Ooh, EMS would be great for the huge swarm.

[tight zephyr]

This is the dumbest plan the SEAF has ever come up with.

I say, knowing full well that this is the selfsame military whose first idea was "put a dude in a bullet and shoot it at a planet to go fight bugs."

[pastel igloo]

blowing up the planet is a great move and nothing bad can come of it

if some Helldivers get spaghetified in the process then their sacrifices for super earth will be honored

[glacial light]

Hey it worked for Doom guy

When he shot himself to or from Mars into orbit

[lethal badger]

https://youtu.be/D4o7XAhWMm0?si=WKVDsEfY5ZD9gpah

[glad marsh]

They really did say TF2 Soldier rocket jump huh

[glacial light]

When team killing wasn't enough you can blow yourself up

[alpine seal]

ship upgrade that permanently upgrades the jetpack into a dark fluid can please

[tight zephyr]

This MO sucks.

I'm going back to fighting bots.

[tall stone]

Think I have to report our Technician lady for non-democratic thoughts.

She just said "E-710 powers our warp drives. What do you think happens when we compress a planet full of it to an infinitesimally small point?"

[hearty pier]

She's just working out where to sit to best watch the fireworks, nothing undemocratic here

[glacial light]

She's wondering of much of a boom she can make in the middle of an automaton fleet

[barren iron]

Meridia is so cool

[barren iron]

isnt that literally what we are doing

[tall stone]

Yes!

[barren iron]

this MO is brutal

[stone bridge]

How so

[barren iron]

the bug breaches are constant and defending the drills is difficult

[tall stone]

Gas strikes and EMS are your friends

[lilac tangle]

It's also bugged, there's a primary objective missing that results in a mission success if you complete the actual objective but you get a "Disgraceful Conduct" mission score, so you don't get rewards

It still contributes to the overall effort I think

[tall stone]

It does

[stone bridge]

Is it an open map or more like the defence missions

[lilac tangle]

It's closer to the geological survey missions

You have to call down the dark fluid packs and carry them to several points on the map, where you call down a drill that you then load up with the funny black hole juice and have to defend it while what feels like half a dozen heavies spawn directly on top of you constantly

And once you finish all the primary objectives the planet gets angry and tries to kill you personally

Pro-tip: bring some anti-air

I get the impression that we're not really intended to survive to extraction

[strange vine]

bring EMS and gas imo

its better for locking down the breaches

[hearty pier]

Really nailing the "this is a bad planet to be on" vibes

I also recommend a non-incendiary shotgun or MG and tucking yourself right in next to the drill.

I've lost more drills to friendly fire and small-medium enemies than the heavies

Although a breach right under the drill spawning a Bile Titan is just a reset

[stone bridge]

Oh the drills are destructible?

Damn

[hearty pier]

Very much so, but you get a lot of attempts

(the fluid is a limited stratagem but in excess of the number of drills you need )

[glacial light]

stun grenades are good since they won't damage the drills noticeably

Throw a stun at the drill and cleanup, bring supply pack for 8 extra grenades

[hearty pier]

Free EMS sentries are a life saver too

[glacial light]

EMS strike, EMS mortar, stun grenade. The NPCs don't get to play

[hearty pier]

Gas strike for spawn camping and we've got a no-fun stew going

[stone bridge]

Sounds like area denial is the way to go

[hearty pier]

Yes, just don't channel the rando I played with earlier who kept mining the drill spots

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> Well, i am around if folks wanna get a group together

[honest acorn]

I may be later 2nite

[tight zephyr]

This Major Order is brutal. Do you guys think we'll manage it?

[tall stone]

Yes

24 hours left is my give up point

Until then, I assume it's gonna work

[stone bridge]

Doesn't sound too bad with a coordinated squad

[tight zephyr]

That's the kicker ain't it? Besides, it's the Infinity Screamers that spawn once you finish the objective that is really frustrating.

[stone bridge]

That's what the Incendiary Breaker is for!

[hearty pier]

Arc blitzer is also at home in missions as dense as this one

[tall stone]

Having a loadout on dedicated swarm duty is good

Might be Stalwart time

[hallow gorge]

Just when you think you're gonna make it a bile titan shows up and just fucks you

Does anyone know if the flamethrower damages the drill?

[tall stone]

Don't set sensitive equipment on fire is a good rule of thumb

[stone bridge]

Sounds like a job for a dedicated RR gunner/loader team

[barren iron]

dont set black hole bombs on fire

[tidal wing]

JOEL PLEASE I'M SORRY

[honest acorn]

Tfw no breaker incendiary

[tall stone]

OK, having tried it now, I have determined that FUCKING SHRIEKERS are the biggest problem.

[reef raven]

yeah

I'm at this rate I'm thinking of bringing an auto-shotgun just for the shriekers

because they're hard for my to nail down with an assaut rifle and my usual MO until now was flamethrower for support to create firewalls when needed

[heady halo]

turrets also

laser cannon also

[stone bridge]

Incendiary Breaker absolutely sweeps Shriekers if you have one, the spread is huge and even one pellet catching a Shrieker will kill with the fire dot

The Gatling turret has perfect aim and will easily wipe 30 or so per calldown

[wind arrow]

does stalwart swing fast enough to go against shreikers?

fukkit, assuming wearing heavy weapon assist armor and also crouching

[stone bridge]

Stalwart can work yeah

You're best off using it as part of an RR gunner/loader team to take care of biles

Loader takes care of small stuff, gunner kills large stuff

[wind arrow]

nodnod

[tall stone]

Also fun: We apparently had stalkers on the Dark Fluid mission I just did.

I never saw them.

[reef raven]

D:

also ooof this run is going hard

we keep getting bile titan popping up straight on drill site

like.... rising from the ground right next to the drill X_X

and now that half the team is dead without reinforcement do finally the team.... not get attack? (I have my tablet on the side while waiting to respawn due to no reinforcements left which is perhaps the only way I could do this tyoing )

[sour whale]

sounds like they were good at their job

[royal lantern]

So what are the odds that blowing up Meridia with the dark fluid creates a wormhole that the Illuminates come out of?

[placid hamlet]

roughly: yes

[stone bridge]

Exceptionally high

Like, this setup is textbook

They even mention it's an Illuminate superweapon

If this setup doesn't at least lead to something even more dramatic I'll eat my hat

[shy prairie]

i just had a 500kg dissapear on me

red light, countdown went all the way, no bomb

[hearty pier]

Any chance it got caught on a spire? Lots of very tall terrain on Meridia to catch stratagems

[blissful sparrow]

i'd say roughly 0% because the illuminate would have to show up in the south of the map just so there is room.
But it will probably still be the reason they do show up 😄

[hearty sleet]

I've heard of the top middle of the map seeming pretty empty in terms of factions.

and bots are headed to Cyberstan instead

[tight zephyr]

The bottom of the map is totally empty.

That was where I assumed they'd put the Illuminate.

[shy prairie]

it's possible but it was more or less right on top of extraction, i dont think there was a spire behind me

[cobalt patrol]

Hotfix is beiun worked on for the spawning bug in the current major order

whcih i think is the whole "Things can spawn right undrneath" issue

[tall stone]

Thank god.

[cobalt patrol]

We've cleared it a couple of times nwo at diff 7, it's not too bad if you go in with a plan

EMS mortars are a big help, someone having EMS strike to call in also good, having gas strikes to call down on the breraches, someone rocking a flamethrower to hose down other breaches, another person should bring shield generator, someone else brings eats

[tall stone]

I've gotten good mileage out of Cluster.

[stone bridge]

if Biles can spawn right on the drill rn I think you'll get a ton of mileage out of a well coordinated RR team

[tall stone]

Ye, you would.

EATs being available for everyone is also nice.

[cobalt patrol]

One thing that's also good is heavy armor, eps if you've got the 200 armor rating armor

Lets you sruvive being stepped on by a bile titan, vomited on by spewers

and the mobiltiy penalty is whatever because the jetpack exists for free

(which also i want a ship upgrade that gives us Dark Matter Infused jetpacks so we can get osme of that high in the main game)

[stone bridge]

what jetpack

[tall stone]

Wait. Can you use the dark matter container as a jetpack?!

[sweet surge]

Yes

It also does aoe damage too

So be careful around your teammates lol

[glacial light]

I didn't realize this was possible

[barren iron]

the tenderiser is kinda cool

my problem is that it has too much reduced mag capacity for that recoil reduction

like it's an absolute laser, even on the move

[reef raven]

randomly one thing that bug me about the recent major order..... does anyone know how the progress of it even is tracked?

the closest I can think is the bar that's visible only in the Galactic map and it hasn't budged much since yesterday as far as I can tell

unless they intend it to be an automated 'success' or something come the end of the order

[cobalt patrol]

200 armor is a lot of damage resistance! Though i was also running health booster

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge the dark matter call in is a backpack that functions as a jetpack with a fast cooldown, masisvely increased vertyical height, and does (signifacnt) damage on takeoff.

...enough that you can and will frag teamamtes, it's very funny

[glacial light]

I'm tempted cause while I love heavy medic armor having extra stims and stim time doesn't mean much if you're one shot by bile or stomp

[tight zephyr]

I've been using one of the sets with the cybernetics because I like the extra throw distance

[cobalt patrol]

That's a lot of why i've moved away from Medic armor into bugs, and use the Democracty pRotects - that 50% kicks in a lot and saves you a truly dumb number of times. It doesnt even appear to have an internal cooldown if you feel like gambl,ing

also, i learned something interesting: Mech's stomp attack is actually very strong, like "Punch holes in a charger's back" strong

[glacial light]

Idk how to use the stomp effectively, i'll like whiff when it looks like a direct stomp and sometimes a charge brushes against me after i've stunned it with an impact to the right side and the mech blows up

[heady halo]

really hoping they had some varient of it as a new jetpack, even if they have to give it downsides (like maybe requiring "ammo" and damaging yourself too)

[glossy horizon]

Armor-wise I recently bought the light armor with the bonus armor from the super shop and it's very nice against bugs. Very mobile, but if something hits me, I don't randomnly die

Do the drills in the meridia mission take friendly fire damage?

[keen zinc]

yes

[tidal wing]

is the Tenderizer bugged? I don't get what sets it apart from the basic Liberator looking at the stats side by side

it just looks like it's a hair worse

[rapid plover]

people have said it has less recoil apparently?

so you can stay on target easier

[honest acorn]

People think it released without the same patch Liberator buff being factored in

[rapid plover]

also that, yeah

[tidal wing]

ahhh

that would make sense

[glossy horizon]

how much can they take? do they take fire damage?

[strange vine]

its pretty pinpoint accurate since it has low recoil and low spread

if only the weapon stat screen showed the accuracy

[shy prairie]

Second the flamethrower, did it with Randoms and the flamethrower guy carried I think

[honest acorn]

It sounds like my fireman build might be good here

(breaker incendiary, flamer, flame grenades, grenade armor, secondary to taste (until AHS adds a fire secondary)

[hazy oriole]

i just want fireproof armor man

i wanna cosplay fahrenheit 451

[glacial light]

Armor that extinguishes you if you're burning with a fire suppression system

[hazy oriole]

god PLEASE

i hope it's in the next warbond i want new armor passives so fucking bad pleaseeeeeeeeee

(speaking of which, when are they planning to drop that)

[ionic holly]

Considering there's no statement otherwise, likely the same time as the rest, second Thursday of the month

(june 14th)

[glacial light]

What's like a good bile titan AT option, I'm leaning on trying the Spear and learning to guide it to headshot

[stone bridge]

RR

Get a loader and it's the best by a country mile

[glacial light]

I unfortunately cannot rely on a loader being alive with my crew

[strange vine]

Yeah recoilless is your best bet imo

[hearty pier]

If you need it do be good solo the precision strike can be a solid with stuns/good baiting

[stone bridge]

Stuns don't work on Biles anymore

[glacial light]

Sad I used to use precision a lot for easy BT kills

[unreal merlin]

Even without a loader teammate RR is good. Orbital Precision Strike is excellent if you know how to manipulate the AI to make them stand still (run underneath and behind so they stand still turning around)

500kg is also strong obviously, has similar timing requirements as OPS

[glacial light]

I usually use OPS for BT but it's harder and I have to get my teammates to not draw it's aggro while it's walking into it, but I like an AT support weapon when OPS is off cooldown

100 seconds isn't a lot but when a second or 3rd titan pops up and you're the main heavy killer on the team then it feels like forever

[unreal merlin]

EATs are always good if you're diligent about calling more down before you need them, if not on cooldown

[tall stone]

And as ever, the joy of hellpods.

[unreal merlin]

If you're unhinged and very lucky you can use arc weapons (ARC-12, arc thrower) to kill them.

[glacial light]

How many shots does it take with an ARC12

I imagine a lot

[unreal merlin]

More than one and less than 100

[glacial light]

I'm the only one with hellpod steering and a good arm unfortunately, thank goodness for hellpod steering being a significant upgrade over base

[unreal merlin]

I only did it twice, both times in desperation after a strike hadn't killed it

but it DOES WORK

[glacial light]

I will not test that if it takes more than 5 shots

[unreal merlin]

Same with chargers. If you've got an arc weapon and are out of options, might as well throw some bolts their way while you're waiting for cooldowns or help.

[tight zephyr]

<@&1206091872716595200> Does anyone want to do some helldiving?

[honest acorn]

I'm down in about 45 mins