#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

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strange vine
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damage is anemic for the charge up time
it can 1 shot chaff but like, who cares
it takes 3 shots to kill a devastator
cant even do a headshot kill
the punisher plasma is basically better in every way aside from effective range
purifier shoots straight but that can be a liability when you cant get a good ground splash

glacial light
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Sadge

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It looked like a really cool weapon

quick plinth
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purifier should really reward the chargeup

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so from what I understood, it is not doing that?

glacial light
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I wonder if it's bugged, it's like the 3rd page in the warbond right? It'll probably be a while before more reasonable players do testing and post the results

hot meadow
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Yup I think that would be perfect.

ionic holly
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Please turn off the ping next time

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Regardless, yeah i do think it'll be nice

hot meadow
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Ooh, sorry

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Is there a way to have that off my default?

ionic holly
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Its fine, you couldn't of known
also, lets see how much this tightens it up

and no sadly

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glacial light
hot meadow
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Yeah I really don’t like that it is by reply, how annoying

ionic holly
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Its why i dont fault anyone for it

junior badge
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Off by default, on when needed would be much nicer, yeah.

glacial light
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I am backseating software engineering but it shouldn't even take long to implement a toggle setting for it

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Like maybe a work week for a lone dev

ionic holly
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Iunno man, theres a lot of simple small stuff like that

glacial light
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I don't believe discord has shared any of it's code so maybe it's just extreme spaghetti code

blissful sparrow
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setting the default value for a field tends to me my favorite work cause its 5 minutes for me and 3 hours for the testers to verify it 😄

glacial light
hot meadow
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I suspect there’s probably some weird business logic with notifs that makes it non trivial.

quick plinth
honest acorn
strange vine
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but one of them fires 2 shots in the time it takes for the other one to fire 1

quick plinth
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at max charge?

strange vine
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yepppppp

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its like the arc thrower in charge up

quick plinth
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how long is the chargeup?

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a second?

strange vine
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cant fire until its fully charged

quick plinth
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damn I thought it was longer

strange vine
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1 or 2 seconds ish

quick plinth
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lets just say 1.5 cuz arc thrower is 1

strange vine
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it takes 3 shots to kill a devastator

quick plinth
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bruh

strange vine
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and you cant even do a headshot

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its got big aoe, but that means it can only clear chaff

quick plinth
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it really ought to do more damage per shot

strange vine
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in a timely manner

ionic holly
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Ill admit, and i mean this respectfully, i am unsurprised the purifier is any better than it was pre-release

strange vine
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my thoughts on all the weapons bar the pistol:

  • tenderizer is aggressively alright, it pinpoint accurate but the low mag size and completely average damage means it chews through ammo too much while not offering much positives compared to the regular liberator
  • pummeler's fairly nice, you can stagger almost everything with it, including stalkers, berserkers, devastators, brood commanders, chargers with the armor stripped off, neat weapon
  • purifier's absolute shit. Poor damage for the low ROF due to the charge up time. Everything it does the punisher plasma does way better. The only possible thing it could do better is sniping far away chaff groups since it shoots straight, but what the fuck ever
  • incendiary impact is nice and a great pick for bugs
ionic holly
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Im saving up for the pistol right now actually, was gunning for it before the purifier
and yeah i agree in most places
i do think tenderizer just needs like 10 more damage to differentiate it from the normal liberator

tight zephyr
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SMGs are secondary weapons right?

ionic holly
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No, primaries but one handed

tight zephyr
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I need something for backup with a shotgun.

glacial light
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I need a shotgun secondary and a pistol primary

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Give me the biggest deagle

ionic holly
hazy oriole
ionic holly
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Its impact but fire, more instant

tight zephyr
honest acorn
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Incendiary does fuck-all when it blows up midair

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But the fuse is short enough that using them on the ground usually works fine at shorter ranges

ionic holly
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Please turn off the ping next time, as for which to compliment a shotgun iunno again it kinda depends on what you choose, you got machine pistols, the grenade pistol would be main "contenders" i guess?

glacial light
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What's the fuse on regular ones like 2.2 second?

honest acorn
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I don't remember

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Long enough to throw one at your feet and run out of range haha

ionic holly
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Will double check in a sec

honest acorn
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I think its 1.8 or 2.2

glacial light
ionic holly
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2.9 seconds

honest acorn
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Wow that's longer than I realized

glacial light
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Yea it's why I didn't use incendiary even before stuns

ionic holly
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So yeah, it does really just boil down to "impacts are instant"
i will note it has a shorter duration and less range i think?

glacial light
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I think it's tied with the other non-default explosive grenade for longest fuse

honest acorn
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It's really good now that the fire bug is fixed

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Mostly a vs bots weapon

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But it can kill berserkers pretty well so its decent for bots

ionic holly
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Alright, lets feel you out

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hazy oriole
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keep me posted on it, feel free to ping me

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(it's the thing i'm most interested in)

ionic holly
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@hazy oriole Havent stress tested it in higher ends but, it being able to pop warrior heads in one shot already screams "comfortable backup weapon" to me

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8 10 round mags, so not bad there either

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really its only short coming is the light pen

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otherwise its just
nice, its a good mid-cal option for a secondary that we kinda just

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didnt have before?

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like senator is nice but its very much high caliber

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its slower, more limited, wheras this is here to smack and move on

hazy oriole
ionic holly
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For bugs yeah, not the biggest shining accomendation but its a secondary

hazy oriole
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ah SHIT i forgot the ping

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my bad

ionic holly
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ones expectations should be low on a secondary, also its fine

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I dont ask to make people feel bad i just ask, if ya dont turn it off ya dont, its not gonna piss me off

hazy oriole
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nodnod, just wanted to apologize for it

ionic holly
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Fair

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but yeah, it does what i wanted it to so im happy

hazy oriole
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fair
if you try it against bots lmk, i've been wondering how it'd perform on a ballistic shield

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i adore the senator with that thing but i admit i'd like some variety

ionic holly
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I mean considering my current loadout is smg/pistol... im primed for a shield build

hazy oriole
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radical

ionic holly
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call my ass montagne

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Seems to put down raiders in 1, but devastators are
definetly gonna bully the fuck out of you due to the lacking pen

hazy oriole
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How's the SMG fare vs devs, come to think of it

glacial light
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I'm waiting for med pen SMG for ballistic shield shenanigans

strange vine
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125 damage should be enough to headshot them yeah?

strange vine
hazy oriole
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even the missile ones?

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yessssssssss

ionic holly
ionic holly
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Just make sure your shots arent reflecting, i think they dont stun if they do

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(So go for the arms/head basically)

strange vine
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also wrt pinging on reply, on desktop if you hold shift and click the reply button itll automatically turn off the ping

oblique hazel
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how many hits to stun with it?

ionic holly
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Didnt try it on the devs much, was wanting to test the pistol, but since its concussive i'd assume its instant

honest acorn
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I wish the shift click method didn't suck for people with message deletion perms haha

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ionic holly
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Ooft

honest acorn
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Immediately next to "delete message with no confirmation box" always worries me a little haha

ionic holly
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never thought i'd put down stuns but

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here we are

hazy oriole
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eyyy, glad you're liking it!

ionic holly
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It does exactly what i wanted

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no real fuss or muss

honest acorn
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Excellent sidearm then

ionic holly
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Mhm, like said the only thing i could put against it is the lack of pen can hurt but like

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its a secondary, im not expecting the world of it

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Also man they
Really did choose a design of all time for our first HEK huh.

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south temple
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yo that’s kinda hard

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how much is it?

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or is it a bond armor

glacial light
strange vine
south temple
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fuck yeah

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i’ve got exactly 350 saved

shy prairie
ionic holly
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300 for the base armour, 150 for the helmet

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Im glad others like it cause i
really dont

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friend of mine tried to say its "very you" armour and ehh...

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it just reminds me of those old slushie cups

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yknow the ones

glacial light
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This helldive is sponsored by 90s pizza decor

ionic holly
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Found it

south temple
ionic holly
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Trust me you'll get some better camo eventually

south temple
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man i sure hope so

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i kinda fuck w the helmet design tho

ionic holly
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My future knowledge knows of it

south temple
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true i forgot about that

ionic holly
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I try to be polite and not spoil upcoming stuff

south temple
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that’s wise

ionic holly
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I'll admit it's funny i was right on all 3 marks of which guns i'd like

south temple
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what were your bets?

ionic holly
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Verdict, tenderizer and pummeler being the ones i liked

south temple
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ah

ionic holly
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Blegh, i need to stop looking at other places for helldivers stuff

echo chamber or not shit elsewhere is just so depressing

south temple
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yeah it’s wild

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the reddit and the server are kind of a cesspool

ionic holly
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Its just kinda in general at this point, youtube is no better either and some of the other servers i'd tap to talk about it are just
Christ
i know for some reason people just gravitate to negativity easier for some reason but this shits insane

honest acorn
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I think this happens to a lot of games a couple months the after release

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A sort of “anti-honeymoon period” after the initial release

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But it seems really bad for HD2

naive dragon
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I just wanna shoot some weird guys with my weird guy

hot meadow
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I think it’s also just a size thing.

glad orchid
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It’s been there for a while but it’s gotten so loud recently

hot meadow
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And the recent stuff didn’t help. I do think time will help.

ionic holly
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like with a game like d2 i can just tone it out and focus on the game usually

hot meadow
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Is there a particular reason you don’t feel like you can tune out the negative discourse for this game?

ionic holly
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Regardless, enough negativity, would anyone be down diving for a bit? just some 4s, i wanna relax

Probably cause i have friends who play into the annoying side of it a bit more, ive already mentioned "EAT should have splash" guy but theres also someone who went through the lengths of grabbing the fact one of the devs used to work on hello neighbor 2 to... make a point i guess?

sharp crater
ionic holly
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I mean preferably dont actually break it

sharp crater
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of course

ionic holly
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Jokes aside, friend code is 7052-7118

sharp crater
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it's mostly me that needs to adapt

tall stone
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Huh, the current MO really got the kid gloves turned on all of a sudden. Acamar is at 0% decay, so the nearly 20k people there are actually having an effect now.

strange vine
hazy oriole
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saw the font and thought lazymaybe started making helldivers 2 content

stone bridge
honest acorn
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Yeah

graceful bluff
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Yeah they didn't push back hard enough against em when the game first launched and now they're just stuck in

sweet surge
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I remember seeing a video titled "Sony couldn't kill the game but this patch will"

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Like seriously?

undone veldt
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What was the erupter nerf?

sweet surge
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Too many ppl are making HD2 their "gaming" personality and are snapping when it isn't pitch perfect

glacial light
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I see gameplay of pummeler stunlocking stalkers which is neat

ionic holly
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I think after getting atmo monitoring i have
very little want to ever not run 380s

minimum safe on a 380 with monitoring seems to be 60~ meters, and with servo-assisted limbs i can throw a beacon to 70~

graceful bluff
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minimum safe on a 380 was already like ~65 iirc

ionic holly
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Then i can throw it at even closer ranges with atmo, perfect

glacial light
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Keep power creeping the 380mm over time until it just strikes one location over and over

ionic holly
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Pfft

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admittedly i feel like that might wrap around and be a nerf

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but i wouldn't be against a pinpoint barrage of sorts though

hearty sleet
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I think the orbital laser fits that?

ionic holly
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Kinda i guess? but i mean just a pinpoint artillery barrage in a single spot

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laser moves and auto targets

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i guess the orbital precision strike counts but i want it repeatedly

graceful bluff
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yeah the orbital precision strike is nice, but the cooldown is way too long to make it worth using

glacial light
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Isn't it 100 seconds?

ionic holly
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yeah 100 without any upgrades

graceful bluff
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100 seconds for something that doesn't even guarantee a charger or hulk kill

ionic holly
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Okay...?

glacial light
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Weird i've never had it fail to one shot a charger or hulk

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If it hits it always kill for me

ionic holly
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That and like it's got good splash you can always just use it as a chaff killer

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it's basically a singular 380 shot

graceful bluff
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oh wait I'm thinking the railcannon

ionic holly
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... yeah

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which admittedly also haven't had ever fail on anything but BTs

graceful bluff
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I've had it hit center of mass plenty of times on chargers and just open up its side

glacial light
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Twice the CD time with practically 0 AoE and not guranteed to kill a BT

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The free aim is nice but stun+OPS is that but twice as quick

ionic holly
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Oh yeah no i would take an OPS over railcannon

graceful bluff
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Honestly the railcannon needs a recharging ammo system where you get several charges of it kinda like eagle stuff

ionic holly
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but i also just
don't much run a lot of orbitals, it's just kinda EMS/380 currently

ionic holly
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could make that a ship upgrade actually, gives laser an extra charge too

glacial light
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I think the top orbitals I use now are gas, precision, and walking

ionic holly
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I wanna use gas but i like the EMS one too much

glacial light
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Oh and also airburst/gatling

ionic holly
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i have
very mixed feelings about airburst
i wanna like it but even current 380 feels more consistent aiming wise

glacial light
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Laser too, ig i'm just a fan of orbitals

ionic holly
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I'm more of an eagle guy, 500 and clusters

glacial light
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What's inconsistent about the airburst?

ionic holly
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effectiveness i think it's good, i just don't like using it myself

glacial light
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It's height based so you throw the beacon on the same elavation as yourself it's always the same radius, if it's higher than that it'll spread out a lot more

ionic holly
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I appreciate the insight but i just don't click with it

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I'm not gonna sit here and call it bad mind you

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just not a stratagem for me

cobalt patrol
glacial light
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I just noticed the pummel seems to have better stats than the liberator concussive?

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Unless the concussive has strong stagger it seems pummel is a direct upgrade

sour whale
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i've heard that the pummel is just a better version of the concussive liberator as well

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maybe there's some hidden stats balancing it out? who knows

graceful bluff
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it's not hard to be better than the worst weapon in the game

honest acorn
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I’m a little late but I think a World in Conflict Concentrated Barrage type of strategem would be a nice orbital one

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I’ll see if I can find a clip

fallen tendon
honest acorn
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I don’t think it’s actually about bumping up PSN numbers

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I’ve just seen unsubstantiated Twitter claims of that

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I think it’s some kind of “player safety” policy where they want all the multiplayer which touches their walled garden to be under their moderation now

copper crest
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The funny thing with GOT is that most people would have no problem getting a single-player-only version of the game because it's like "there's multiplayer?"

honest acorn
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Yeah ngl I had no idea it had multiplayer

glacial light
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Is it saying the game will be unplayable at all for folks affected or just multiplayer?

copper crest
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Unpurchasable

ionic holly
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Just multiplayer

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but its being made unpurchaseable because of that

rapid plover
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that's stupid

tight zephyr
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I'm helping!

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glacial light
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Rover hovering there menacingly

tight zephyr
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I hate that fucking thing, my friends' drones all seem to hunger for my legs.

naive dragon
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Drones love my flesh

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It is very tasty to them

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I can't blame their lust for crab

strange vine
tight zephyr
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Something I've noticed already is that the randos I've been meeting have been generally helpful and polite. It's been refreshing.

unkempt river
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<@&1206091872716595200> baby, it's cold outside: SO TAKE A LIBERATOR. THE ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY ABOUND AND SUPER EARTH HAS GIVEN UNTO ME NEW SHOOTY BANG BANGS

orchid pulsar
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Gimme 5 and ill be there

cobalt patrol
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Rail cannon provides a nice panic button that's mostly immune to modifiers (cooldown being the only one that can impact it)

unreal merlin
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Seconding that. Railcannon is easy and low attention, and sometimes it's even more desirable to have that like when things are just too hectic or you really just don't wanna deal with the enemy right now. OPS can get much of the same results if you're in control of the situation enough to use it properly, such as having stun grenades, good positioning, or running in certain patterns to tie up enemies

cobalt patrol
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If anything, I think the game could use a few more more skill ceiling options

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And low skill floor

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I'd probably look at tweaking a couple of turrets (reducing machine gun turrets cd, for instance)

unreal merlin
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Machine gun is secretly super good and easily forgotten for the others

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Gatling is cool and great but burns through quick

cobalt patrol
unreal merlin
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That's reasonable yeah

cobalt patrol
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At that point a rail cannon at worst cracking the BT's armour means I can put a couple of grenade pistol shots into the BT and down they go

cobalt patrol
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<@&1206091872716595200> Who's around currently/ debaitng helldivers vs Hades 2

modest fiber
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its me

wind arrow
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huh, TIL shield generator holds vs 380

cobalt patrol
unreal merlin
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Shield gen is cool and surprisingly useful but definitely is niche and can backfire when the hulk walks inside it

stone bridge
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Shield Gen can one shot Biles

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It's pretty great

blissful sparrow
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Ah yes, protection via the avenue of extreme violence

cobalt patrol
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and they melt their own face off

wind arrow
stone bridge
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lmao

wind arrow
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that was the moment i peaked in this game

mortal wing
shy prairie
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looks normal to me

supple aurora
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It's called your team

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If you bring horde clear, play around people with anti tank to cover for eachother

quick crown
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Yeah I don't want another game where each player is perfectly suited to solo a mission tbh I like the coordination that a swarm of hunters with 2~3 chargers demand

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That said. The orbital laser could stand to kill BTs a little quicker imo

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i feel like its gotten slower or i'm gaslighting myself and its always taken almost the full laser to kill 1

wraith furnace
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Hunters are just

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Annoying af tho

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Even in a squad

tight zephyr
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Does shooting the tracks on an Automaton tank disable it?

quick crown
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Hunters are fine lmao

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<--- shotgun user

wraith furnace
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I MEAN TRUE

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That said tho if they do get to you the slowed buff is kind of a fuck

quick crown
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ok ok alright thats true

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I hate the tongues

wraith furnace
quick crown
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They shouldn't have the tongue attack

wraith furnace
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...God that was a bad joke I'm sorry

quick crown
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Slow in this game should only be inflicted from like, 3 things

quick crown
wraith furnace
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Yep already packing my bags

tight zephyr
wraith furnace
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Maybe.

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I'm interested to see it.

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What are you thinking, autocannon fire?

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Quasar to the tracks?

tall stone
tight zephyr
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EAT

quick crown
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It'd be cool as long as it doesn't take like, Two rr rounds

tight zephyr
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I’m at work so someone else will have to try it.

tall stone
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It's generally a good way to get easier access to the vent.

wraith furnace
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I'm going to be working in about 20 mins

quick crown
wraith furnace
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Yep

quick crown
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So you will get tongue lashed, Dive to avoid the swarm, Fail to stand up because you try to get speed by hitting the SPEED button

wraith furnace
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And then you also have to dive immediately

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Because

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It's not like there's a swarm of angry insects waiting for you

supple aurora
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They were probably taking damage from other stuff too speeding it up

tall stone
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So saw the biggest of red flags on the Helldiver's discord from one of its moderators that assures me that it's gonna be lost to chuds.

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pastel igloo
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💀

quick crown
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I have to just go on with my life hoping thats a joke.

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Otherwise there will be violence in my heart

supple aurora
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I don't know enough about star wars lore to understand this

pastel igloo
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The Empire are space fascists

tall stone
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It is very much an almost 1 to 1 translation.

supple aurora
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Arrowheads comms making it harder for me to defend arrowhead by the minute

tall stone
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Not a community manager, just a mod.

supple aurora
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Arrowheads biggest mistake was making an official discord at this point

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Nothing good has come from it

tight zephyr
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The Automatons are justified.

supple aurora
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The automatons were trying to help us by breaking the galactic war trackers

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They're still looking for where the discord server is

quick crown
supple aurora
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Every time I hear the 'don't nerf in a PvE game' take

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My brain just goes

pastel igloo
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lmao

tight zephyr
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I’m not sure I understand.

quick crown
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I think its that ultrakill wouldnt be as fun and challenging as it is without consideration of the adjustments several weapons got mid development

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Maybe?

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I'm no good at ultrakill personally

supple aurora
supple aurora
quick crown
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I know that woolie is personally responsible for the railgun nerf heh (in ultrakill)

unreal merlin
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Some people can't seem to fathom that some things have an intended balance state and things that shatter that or outshine everything else may need to be corrected.

blissful sparrow
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that message would be the absolute funniest if it was a dev saying it. Otherwise its just pretty self evident

supple aurora
pastel igloo
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Hakita is literally the ultrakill dev yeah

supple aurora
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Unless you mean helldiver dev

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In which whew they wouldn't shut up about it for a month

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Or two

strange vine
cobalt patrol
# unreal merlin Some people can't seem to fathom that some things have an intended balance state...

The one good argument around primaries feeling weak and the issues with that (and mind, i do not fulyl agree here at all) is if you're using support weapons that are big moment of power into a lull (mostly your backpack launcher types - RR, Spear, Quasar etc), then you're in a postion where you will oft feel weak.

And the game does feel like it mislabels Support Weapons some - i tend to treat them as my first port of call, and take my primaryto well, support them

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It's why i find it kinda itchy that you canque without a support weapon sometime,s because it feels like the game is really built around ytou having a support weapon as a primary point of call

strange vine
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Arrowhead really needs to give a gag order for their devs to stop them from talking on any social media place like their Discord and hire some actual community managers

tight zephyr
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I kind of wish the primaries and secondaries were strong enough to rely on until you really need the support weapon.

cobalt patrol
tight zephyr
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Because I use the machine gun for like… everything.

unreal merlin
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The MG is pretty generally good, yes.

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HMG is fun now that you can actually aim it

azure pewter
strange vine
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if they only have 2 CMs they need way more

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esp for the size of the game now

cobalt patrol
blissful sparrow
unreal merlin
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Also yeah idk, I can't agree that primary weapons are insufficient. They're all more or less serviceable until you're getting swamped with things like heavy armor, in which case if you can't work around that you maybe shouldn't be playing on Difficulty 9

cobalt patrol
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And they did just well, fire, one of their cms

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(Sorry, i'm not trying to be combative, but like, i'm trying to get as clear as perspedfctive asi can)

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simply because there's been so much flying around this game, especially recnetly

unreal merlin
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One of these days I'm gonna tell myself to use the break action for real, try it twice, and throw it down

supple aurora
strange vine
tight zephyr
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I think I should’ve said that what I’ve heard is that in higher difficulty levels your primaries are a bit useless.

azure pewter
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Naw

supple aurora
unreal merlin
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Yeah that's not accurate

cobalt patrol
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so like, example: In bugs i'ma flamethrower main

supple aurora
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Average player I deal with in diff 9 can't reliably headshot chargers with a quasar

cobalt patrol
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so what's my primary weapon?

unreal merlin
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There's a lot of heavy armor but there's also a lot of everything so that's not really a surprise

blissful sparrow
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Break action is actually a ton of fun. just because it needs a reload every 2 shots it doesn't have the fire rate to keep up with enemies. But its basically prenerf Breaker with each shot

quick crown
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On the other hand actually, I don't like the idea of gagging anyone because of the job they work in the videogame industry

cobalt patrol
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It's the Dominator, which is high punch and good range, ideal for popping spewers and stragglers

strange vine
cobalt patrol
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because i dont need a primary to handle sswarms, i have the flamethrower

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i need something to quickly elimiante priority targets

quick crown
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This isnt like a military job, It looks bad for them sure and they should be disuaded from opening potentially bad discussions but your boss telling you Don't talk about it, Without signing and NDA seems bad wrong

cobalt patrol
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likewis,e my strats of choice are currently Airstrike, Orbital Precision Impact

pastel igloo
cobalt patrol
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Which are my "clear a base" and "Kill a bile titan"

pastel igloo
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enemies do not get stronger

tight zephyr
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I think the arc thrower is the only primary I’ve tried that I actually disliked.

pastel igloo
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if you can kill an enemy or a group of enemies at the lowest difficulty with a primary

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you can do so at the highest

tight zephyr
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The break-open shotgun was at least funny.

quick crown
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I should try the blitzer again

tall stone
supple aurora
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When I'm not running recoilless + eats (I cannot trust randoms to kill tanks)
Gas+ flamethrower has been a fun wave clear loadout

strange vine
pastel igloo
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if you're having a problem with killing things at higher levels, practice using your kit on lower difficulties

cobalt patrol
supple aurora
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Breaker inc doesn't feel good to fire but it kills very good

blissful sparrow
quick crown
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Sorry fat fingered keyboard

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Right because i think this is nearly as important than a insurance company

strange vine
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the "only buff crowd" results in power creep that can kill the balance of the game, but more importantly the guns should feel good to use. The Eruptor has gone from feeling great to use to feeling like shit to use. The Countersniper went from feeling shit to feeling great and fun.

unreal merlin
strange vine
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yeah sure primaries shouldnt have too high a power level but they should be fun to use

blissful sparrow
quick crown
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Of course you don't talk about your Profit margins or markup to people, But I don't think they have been talking company secrets with the players lmao

strange vine
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the Purifier is absolute shit because taking 1 second charging up a shot only to hit with the power of a wet noodle comparatively feels like absolute crap

tight zephyr
blissful sparrow
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maybe i'm just predisposed cause of my connections to another dev studio that i know how incredibly much you don't talk about to the public that the public doesn't even know exists. and thats all under NDA. and i'm just a volunteer there.

unreal merlin
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Yeah well, your subjective preference is different than mine, so now we have to have a pointless argument about it according to standard internet protocol

strange vine
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the plasma punisher hits with the exact same damage but it feels fun because the arcing projectile gives you more to think about when shooting enemies meaning when you hit with it it triggers the dopamine and it fires rapidly enough stunlocking tougher enemies with it is feels good

cobalt patrol
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ALso, looking up Evil Bosse, yeeeeah he needs to chill out

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I do think a lot of this is suffering from sucecss issues

pastel igloo
cobalt patrol
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iirc, they were all very active on discord before HD2 blew up

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So it's a huge shock to the system going from a small intimate community to

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uh, they have nearly a million players on the discord alone?

pastel igloo
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if you like a weapon, play with it, if you don't like a weapon, don't play with it

quick crown
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I do agree they don't need a community discord though tbh

cobalt patrol
strange vine
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the community discord's really only good for seeing the in-character announcements they make and they need a far better way of sharing those especially in-game

cobalt patrol
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And it's arugably bettero t control the enviroment than not

cobalt patrol
quick crown
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Yeah on the other hand other games manage well with their own discords like Deep rock having one

strange vine
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i just remember spitz nuking the original HD1 official discord for ultimately petty reasons

quick crown
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or lancer but different beast entirely

cobalt patrol
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I think something like a "State of the game" weekly post like what Destiny did, could be a good plan

strange vine
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which from a history and preservation perspective absolutely grinds my gears

cobalt patrol
strange vine
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this was about when HD2 released

cobalt patrol
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Sorr,y again, i'm not trying to be combative just: a lot of your stuff is reading like there's deep history etc here, and most of usx... came in with HD2.

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So we're completley unaware of most of this

strange vine
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i mean i mostly heard the nuking the HD1 discord thing from others

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but it was during one of the first big HD2 discord shitshows iirc

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there was a @ everyone fumble iirc that leaked onto the HD1 discord, which Spitz then for some reason went nuclear on and completely deleted the entire server

cobalt patrol
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It'sa thing

strange vine
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okay misremembered some details there

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wasnt an official HD1 discord, just one that Spitz was personally running

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i dont particularly care about it in that case :v

cobalt patrol
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Yeah, this is why i want cited sources etc on stuff, because the ocmmunity is actively prone to twisting things and getting things tangled up

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Grief, even the last balance patch, the amount of "EVERYHTRING WAS NERFED" i've seen is actiavely maddening

tight zephyr
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I like the shotgun I unlocked last night. I don’t remember what it’s called though.

tall stone
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Breaker?

tight zephyr
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It’s the first pump shotgun you get on the current free war bond.

strange vine
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punisher is good

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great knockback helps giving you space

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good damage

tight zephyr
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I haven’t used it against bots, I was advised not to. But man does it kill bugs dead as fuck.

quick crown
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Its my favorite acid spewer killer

tight zephyr
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I want to get a Slugger but that a long way off.

glacial light
quick crown
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ack u right

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<-- the fool

glacial light
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Pnet is very much a unique case being run by volunteers not associated with the creators at first and managed extremely well. Official corporate discords tend to be more work than it's worth for a company as seen with dropout

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Which is shutting down cause the amount of employees needed to moderate their official discord is growing and the cost of their time in pay outweighs the benefits of having the discord.

graceful bluff
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oof lmao
The weapon balance dev was the lead dev of hello neighbour 2, who's commonly shown as being the reason the game was ruined

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glacial light
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I remember that's the guy reddit complained about that said polar weapons were S tier meta breaking and I see screenshots of him defending his position on the polar weapons on discord

graceful bluff
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Someone also tried to whitewash the wiki page too

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At the end of the day he's done better with the weapon balance than HN2 though lmao

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even if it explains how he has a history with bad decisions and hackjob solutions

strange vine
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like, pummeler, the pistol, and maybe the tenderizer i can see

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but the purifier??

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oh yeah the other shitty thing about the purifier for gun feel is that, while it has the same charge up mechanism as the arc thrower, unlike the arc thrower there doesnt seem to be an audio cue for when the gun is fully charged, meaning you have to guess when its fully charged while under fire

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also in first person view theres literally no or very little indication when its fully charged either

graceful bluff
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(To be fair, the not having an audio cue is probably not his fault)

glacial light
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I think they should set expectations for their staff when interacting with the community, like CEO and Twinbeard seem universally liked (poor girl who's crime was being woman on internet). Like they can say stuff in unofficial capacity but if it's HD related maybe ask for permission before from someone the community likes before saying something in an official capacity

graceful bluff
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This guy especially should know better

strange vine
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exactly what im saying

glacial light
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It just generates more work for the company than it's worth to clean up whenever a CMs or dev says something that ends up a small issue

strange vine
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okay, it does have an audio cue, but its silent as fuck

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hard to hear when explosions are going around you unlike the arc thrower, which is extremely distinct

glacial light
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Apparently I learned if you turned on midnight audio mode the bugs do make noises but it's so faint

strange vine
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almost immediately drowned out by the music lmao

glacial light
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Apparently BT and spewers do make noises in general when not attacking

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But then hunters and prowlers will drown them out

supple aurora
strange vine
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oh my god this thing is even worse than the punisher plasma holy shit

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i fired 4 shots into a scout strider's front and it didnt kill it

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plasma punisher is 2 shots guaranteed

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they need better audio mixing

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darktide was really excellent with it

pure wave
glacial light
strange vine
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ehh division 2's TTK is way smaller now actually

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now that a ton of gearsets, talents, buffs, weapons, etc have been improved

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max stack strikers can burst down a Heroic Elite enemy is less than a second

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brrrrrt

unreal merlin
strange vine
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also more importantly a lot of guns feel good to use

graceful bluff
strange vine
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usually 3 or so

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plasma punisher has the same performance but it can shoot way faster

unreal merlin
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In practice the faceplate has always been the most durable piece and just going around it is more effective. Even if the preview shows it working I wouldn't trust it. Instead go for the leg joints or any way you can cause the attack to slip around it

graceful bluff
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It's an aoe weapon, it's not gonna do great against hips

strange vine
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yeah

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plasma punisher almost always kills with 2 shots to faceplate

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hips dont matter

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purifier has roughly comparable per shot performance but it fires like twice as slow

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so ttk is twice as long

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i think the tenderizer definitely isnt as bad as a certain crowd is doomsaying but its definitely a bit underperforming compared to the base liberator now

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the pinpoint accuracy is good but it needs just a little more damage

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to justify the lower mag size

unreal merlin
strange vine
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anyway i took the purifier out solo level 4 and it felt so bad to use i ended up just using my Verdict with ballistic shield and AMR for 95% of the mission

unreal merlin
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My reasoning being practice with the scorcher

strange vine
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the projectile size looks to be tiny given i missed what seemed like dead on shots on small bots

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which, also really doesnt help with the gun feel lmfao

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if youre supposed to use this long range then it also sucks ass there because the sights are reflex red dot or whatever its called

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cant even zoom in with liberator sights

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this is just a Bad Gun and completely indefensible in my opinion

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tenderizer is getting way too much a bad rap for something that just needs like maybe 10 extra damage

cobalt patrol
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Which is still... not great, b ut like, can we not put words into people's moths please?

strange vine
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they absolutely are not S tier lmfao

cobalt patrol
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It seems the most likely explaintion is osmething shipped wrong - which, to be clear sucks

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Oh, yeah, i dont agree they're S tier

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but this hyping ourselves up to hate everything is not helpful/useful

strange vine
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pummeler is like A tier imo, Tenderizer is either high C or low B, verdict is eithe A or B, Purifier is F

cobalt patrol
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Trust me, i'm disapointed in the weapons too, especially hte Purifier.

strange vine
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like, imo?

cobalt patrol
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...Okay, that i dont agree with

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but this hyping ourselves up to hate the devs etc, it's getting seriously grody.

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If you'

graceful bluff
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Tenderizer is literally just the lib conc with worse recoil

strange vine
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its not

cobalt patrol
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If you have issues with the design, like post feedback, go into why you're feeling that way

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they do actually listen to feedback

strange vine
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its better

graceful bluff
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oh wait it's the pummeler that's the conc

hot meadow
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I don’t think it’s fair to say what is happening in this channel is at all the same as the hyping-up dev hating that’s happening in other places like the subreddit, unless I missed something

cobalt patrol
graceful bluff
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The tenderizer is a smaller magged liberator that does the same damage

strange vine
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its also pinpoint accurate

graceful bluff
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Yet is somehow the best thing in the warbond

strange vine
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i can full auto snipe devastator heads at 50 meters

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but it needs more damage

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probably not as much as the adjudicator

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pummeler is more universally liked

hot meadow
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We may have to agree to disagree, or just ask a mod if they think this chat is getting too negative, because I don’t think it’s anywhere near what I’m seeing on the subreddit for example

strange vine
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it feels

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yeah no the reddit is a cesspool

hot meadow
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Like this new warbond has some amazingly bad guns in it!

strange vine
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tbh the only amazingly bad gun is purifier

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everything else is either alright to fairly good

hot meadow
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Tenderizer is bumming me out I have to admit, I wish to love it.

graceful bluff
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The deagle has the kick of a .50 but the damage of a .22

cobalt patrol
hot meadow
cobalt patrol
hot meadow
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This is supposed to be fun, after all.

strange vine
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you have to treat the tenderizer as more like a kinetic scythe

cobalt patrol
# hot meadow This is supposed to be fun, after all.

Yeah. It probably doesnt help that one of my other third spaces for this game has been having such nuclear takes as "Orbital Precision strike is bad" "Cluster bombs are bad" "flamethrower is useless" "The last patch was 90% nerfs 10% buffs, not the other way a round" and just arrrrrrrrgh. Add in a bunch of RL stuff oging on and Game Design Penguin jsut wants to talk about stuff in a level way and not deal with thrid spaces turn into let's shellack the devs.

(Esp because bluntly, like, most players have no idea what they're on about when it comes to game design or the challenges of implementing said game design).

hot meadow
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Man how could anyone say clusters are bad lmao

cobalt patrol
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Even into b ug 9s they're an amzing "annnnd fuck this breach " button

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But i literally had someone take a quote of mine saying "I dont use them because they're Bad in my loadout" and cut the "Bad in my loadout" bit to attack them

strange vine
# cobalt patrol I need to test the purifier further, but i'm not seeing how you're getting to am...

im comparing it to the plasma punisher, which has the exact same damage profile (AP 3 250 damage). By that metric, the only advantage the purifier has is shooting straight and mag size. Meanwhile, it suffers from effectively half the DPS, awkward charge up mechanics as opposed to click and fire, charge up sound being drowned out by the music, tiny projectile size making it harder to hit things, all sorts of stuff that means it gets outdone by plasma punisher for the exact job its apparently meant to do.

cobalt patrol
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Like why i would i take Clusters in a flamethrower loadout? that's just silly, Clusters are doing veryl ittle i cat just do better with the FT

strange vine
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those people just seem like bad players lmao

cobalt patrol
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Clusters are somethign you take with the Quasar/RR/whatever, because that's their clear intended role

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they're a strat that says "Do you need add clear? Here's copius piles of add clear"

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Same reaosn i take OPS in my FT loadouts, becuase i dont need chaff clear, or even charger clear, i need an "oh shit, bile titan" button.

supple siren
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I dunno, it can be nice to be 'well I have to reload, i'll just continue obliterating this next wave'

cobalt patrol
supple siren
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True, I haven't used it much since the fire fix

cobalt patrol
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I've literally gotten killed by a breach with my kill count at 28.

supple siren
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used to that being sort of 50/50

cobalt patrol
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by the time i got ressed and dropped in?

unreal merlin
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I'm unstoppable: Flamethrower, grenade pistol, Jetpack, napalm, orbital gas, incendiary grenades, orbital ems

cobalt patrol
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My kill counter was up to 40 and still going.

strange vine
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oh yeah anyone tested incendiary impact vs reg incendiary's flame loiter time?

cobalt patrol
strange vine
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like how long the fire stays

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screaming and running is actually p good vs bile titans with jetpack

unreal merlin
cobalt patrol
supple siren
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I'll admit a lot of my views are skewed in a 'the person i play with Always, Always has the Quasar'

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sort of manner

unreal merlin
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Alternatively, running arc 12 primary weapons and zapping it once, causing it to immediately collapse from heart attack

cobalt patrol
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I've never yet had sucess toasting a BT to death with the flamethrower

glacial light
# cobalt patrol Yeah. It probably doesnt help that one of my other third spaces for this game ha...

I was hired on as a software engineer on a mobile game but that doesn't give me a hint of insight on how AH or any other studio works, but in career as a software engineer in aerospace, banking, or games there was an unspoken or direct rule. You never make claims on behalf of the company, that's someone else's job either marketing, PR, public facing C-Suite members but as a developer your job is to develop and you shouldn't take on extra responsibilities of being PR when you're not trained in it.

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It kind of breaks down with indie games who can't afford like a dedicated PR or marketing so someone in the team has to do it, but AH is like 100 people?

cobalt patrol
strange vine
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AH it looks like are learning you cannot manage a massive community the same way you can with a small indie hit

cobalt patrol
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Yeah. Like their expecaitons were.. again 120k CCU max.

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I'd love to know how many sales total they have for HD2

glacial light
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100 people is enough for one person to basically be relegated to part time CM but that's not enough for HD2's playerbase and I don't think they should try to engage with such a massive community when it's beyond their capabilities.

strange vine
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mhm

glacial light
#

Like this isn't a unique problem to HD2, there are a lot of small companies with massive vocal userbase. A lot of them will just have someone part time make important announcements, and monitor and deal with major backlash. Overreaching PR as a small company will result in mistakes and more trouble than it's worth

strange vine
cobalt patrol
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Kill Two Billion Automatoms

quick plinth
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I wonder how significantly vehicles will alter the gameplay loop, once we do get them.

glacial light
# strange vine

Where's the illusion of choice 2 corridors 1 exit meme version of this

quick crown
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Kill EM ALL Run

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I really do hope these AT mines preform well

glacial light
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And they patched the quadruple kill bug from previous kill 2 billion terminids MO (the total team kill counted individually for each player towards the MO)

tight zephyr
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I like the orbital strike.

quick crown
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Its a shame they aren't vehicle weighted triggers and still go off for the little guys but still

tight zephyr
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It’s easy to do and less likely to obliterate my teammates.

pure wave
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Can't wait to watch a drone set them off and be actually vaporized

blissful sparrow
pure wave
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Democracy officer send this grub into the abyss

quick plinth
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anti tank mines that go off against chaff

glacial light
quick crown
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I won't mind as long as that FR kill tanks

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and not just deal like half their health

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or I hope critially wounds walkers

glacial light
quick crown
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It was that way in the video last I remembered seeing

blissful sparrow
glacial light
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But if the AT can kill like heavies that'd be great still

quick crown
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Its gotta do its job thats all I can really ask

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The Airburst feels so unreliable against screechers its so funny lmao

hot meadow
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I’m not a game dev, I’m an MLE at a very large fintech, but in general I think developers pretty much should never interface directly with the customer if at all possible unless said customer is also technical, and the devs position includes training on it

quick crown
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But i LOVE it because its a personal cluster barrage

hot meadow
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Otherwise it’s just bad for everyone involved lol

blissful sparrow
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can even scratch the "developer" out there

quick crown
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I know i was against the idea earlier but like I get it and really do agree with ya'll I think its just my kneejerk reaction to the Phrase Gag order tbh

glacial light
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Like that's reasonable for a single person to manage

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Like at this point the discord is like a customer support line for fans to harrass devs and I don't think it should be like that

blissful sparrow
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Jace and then Snutt did quite alot more in the background, but yes, css kept their interactions where ever possible confined and on topic and usually don't jump into General

glacial light
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They like ping CM's and devs over every little thing every patch and that's normal if you're prolific but when they respond back in force it opens up the floodgates of "oh the devs/CM responded to this small thing about this one weapon this one patch so I can do that too"

blissful sparrow
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yeah, uh, thats like a 101 on how not to do it

glacial light
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I'm still waiting for the Eruptor patch and want to see if that 40 damage buff hits any juicy breakpoints

blissful sparrow
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that simple and then just actually enforce it 😄

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glacial light
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They do know how to do community management for a studio of their size, which is macromanage don't micromanage

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Unless you're like a huge corporate and can afford dedicated customer support lines

tight zephyr
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I’m laughing at the fact that I just realized that every diver has their own individual Super Destroyer. It’s so fucking stupid, I love it.

azure pewter
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It’s more every super destroyer has a stock of helldivers to throw into the meat grinder

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You just control 1 at a time

glacial light
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It's like a lifetime timeshare on a ship

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I imagine Super Earth is very beaucratic and there's just a person who's full time role is to do paperwork to transfer ownership of the super destroyer every time a Helldiver dies every 3 minutes

hazy oriole
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oh man, we failed that last MO? Last I checked we only had one planet left

tall stone
glacial light
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Does popping the BT sac kill it over time?

pure wave
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I know that Chargers can bleed out

quick crown
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hope and pray either I get spear lock on (Not running it no more though)
Hope and pray the Railcannon shot kills it

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Hope someone else deals with it FingergunsButTheOtherDirection

glacial light
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I think Spear's my favorite backpack weapon in terms of fun to use

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I love having a legally distinct javelin

tall stone
glacial light
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I think I get killed by BT stepping on me more than spitted on

tall stone
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The spew makes it hard to deal with the other adds at the same time

glacial light
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I notice a hint of bile on my screen from spewers and dive immediately while stimming and that usually works if i'm quick enough. I do not notice the giant needle leg appear from behind me until it's squished me

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If I get surrounded by bugs I throw stuns at my foot

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Supply pack for 8 extra stuns means you can just spam it until everything's dead

tall stone
#

I have HE.

glacial light
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Except BT

pure wave
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I do love how the bile titans kinda just squish you like, ironically, a bug

wind arrow
#

has pirate software's tweet about the fight against sony/arrowhead exec not over yet been shared here yet?

pure wave
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It's just a little boop

tall stone
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My usual strat is pop sac, run the dummies, and then cast Delete Cardinal Direction (380)

pure wave
wind arrow
glacial light
unreal merlin
wind arrow
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behold, a human

glacial light
#

What is that and what's it from

unreal merlin
#

behold, a man

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rapid plover
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it looks so much like a human

pure wave
wind arrow
quick crown
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"did you tell her you love her?"

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"Impossible! Giant Insects can't fly!"

wind arrow
quick crown
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I dont think EDF6 Will replace my helldiver 2 time but damn am i excited for it

glacial light
#

I hope EDF6 replaces helldivers 2 for me because I loved EDF 4/5 so much

strange vine
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just like a human....

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they even speak to communicate like humans!!!

strange vine
tall stone
#

Side note: Glad to see people are refusing the leave the bug front still.

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We get a bot death MO

pure wave
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Bot death MO is gonna be easy

tall stone
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Least the counting isn't bugged anymore.

unreal merlin
#

yeah now it's botted

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:v

pure wave
#

Clever

honest acorn
sweet surge
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Also these are two totally different games

supple aurora
#

infinite ways to word it, choses the way that gets outrage

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"they tricked you", chief its been less than a week

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its called beurocracy

honest acorn
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I'm not sure it was Sony - when it first happened I thought it was Steam covering for themselves by not selling a game in places where it won't work

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Also <@&1206091872716595200> anyone got time to dive this friday afternoon?

blissful sparrow
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😢 if only my game worked

supple aurora
#

steam already intervened with refund

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wouldn't surprise me if they're involved in the region blocking

quick plinth
honest acorn
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now

quick plinth
#

I mean sure- I can

honest acorn
pure wave
#

They tricked us in the sense that the rollback was not total

vestal trail
#

So I ahdn't used it post-changes due to taking a break from the game but, man, they sure did kill the AOE on the Eruptor, huh?

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Or am I crazy

blissful sparrow
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its bugged, the damage is supposed to be higher

vestal trail
#

I more meant the AOE size, but that's good to know

tall stone
#

TheAoE got eaten another patch back

reef raven
#

tbh I always kind of felt the AoE on Eruptor was a bit.... almost too good?

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if the thing hadn't been a bolt action, I won't lie, I was starting to feel bad about taking down bot fabricator with what essentially was a sniper

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(especially with the ranges I was taking them out at)

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the fact the AoE allowed me to take said bolt-action against the likes of the bugs rather than even bothering with a support weapon also often made me feel a bit uneasy <.<

reef raven
pure wave
hazy oriole
#

ugh, is REP bots still fucking unplayable??

heady halo
glad marsh
#

Eugh

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That's rough

honest acorn
#

Worst publisher in the industry seems to be at a minimum in poor taste right now

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Though I think it kinda just makes this person sound stupid or out of touch

wind arrow
#

tho i'd like to repeat mysef in that if the movement is rallied under the slogan of "we dive together or we don't dive at all", it does feel like the celebration has been premature

honest acorn
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  • Microsoft destroying successful studios cause they wanna hire devs 😃
  • EA says they wanna use 50% GenAI not humans 😄
  • Sony stops selling a game in Estonia 😡
sweet surge
#

Pirate Software says a lot stupid things

honest acorn
#

Yeah normally I’d be kind of whatever but it feels kind of especially bad with the current events of the industry

ionic holly
#

Oh don't forget paradox is getting away with an expansion using genai

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and by "getting away with"

go check the machine age for stellaris

wild cedar
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First I've heard of stellaris using genai

hearty sleet
ionic holly
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I'm still rather against it on principle

tall stone
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Looks like they're leaning more into the tool aspect of it.

tiny owl
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I still don't love the use of the tool built on stealing everyone's art then justifying it post hoc with 'well it doesn't actually store any data, it's learning just like a human'

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I'm also very annoyed bc I do enjoy Stellaris and this is just another scummy thing to do

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the number of people justifying this in the reddit thread is depressing

hearty sleet
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If the game director is being truthful, the one they're using seems much more restrained.

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Overall, even with ethical input, there's a heavy energy cost to running 'AI' models/algorithms.

ionic holly
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my main fear is "give an inch, take a mile" type shit we've seen corporates do time and time again

tiny owl
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it's also part of the commodification of art on steroids

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one thing which bugs me something fierce is that the argument AI art steals for me hinges on the fact that generative AI is a tool specifically built to make forgeries once removed of people's actual hard work

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and if an AI had the capacity to learn, experience and tell meaningful stories as a human might, it ought to have personhood

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not be a glorified slave

tall stone
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Well. Learning is... Generous for what the tech is doing. As is AI really.

tiny owl
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I state learning in the second example for some hypothetical AI which actually can learn

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learning is not a good description of what the models (as they presently are) does for sure

cobalt patrol
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also let's be real

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companioes are doing this to avoid having to pay people money

tiny owl
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yea

cobalt patrol
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Heaven forfend yo uactually pay someone for their skills

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so.

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fuck Paradox with a rusty spork

tiny owl
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generative AI of this nature is a tool designed to take people's work and produce vaguely acceptable product out of it

glad marsh
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Most of the raw stuff is barely acceptable in most cases

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Like.
AI programming is so painfully inefficient in its current state

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Actually AI everything is just generally barely functional

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But

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Suits will do anything for more money 🤷

tall stone
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So I actually got to incidentally hear about a small bit of AI (as it is) in the industry today over on the Dead Meat Podcast while I was working today.

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It's a bit off topic for here, so I'll drop it in #technical-discussion

glacial light
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I would agree for AI art but not AI used in engineering, physics, and medical industry

tiny owl
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these kinds of networks aren't innately bad, but their use in this case definitely fucking sucks

glad marsh
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Yeah :(

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The weird push to get AI to do really technical jobs is really well... Weird

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Not to mention trying to replace human artists

glacial light
# glad marsh The weird push to get AI to do really technical jobs is really well... Weird

At least in technical fields it's not really. AI can perform tasks that humans could not feasibly do. In medical imaging AI is revolutionary to healthcare cause AI can process thousands of medical imaging with high certainty point out visual patterns not detectable by human eyes for a doctor to review. It isn't feasible to hire like 10 interns just scanning through hundreds of images with a magnifying glass.

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In those fields it's doing jobs that humans could not do, it's not replacing anyone, it's providing a service previously impractical to do

tiny owl
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there's a really cool use in tokamaks where models are being used to suppress tearing instability modes in the plasma!

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like that's rad as hell

glacial light
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Oh yea that's pretty sick

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Practically most subatomic analysis use machine learning nowadays to detect discrepencies that could be undiscovered principles

tiny owl
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condensed matter physicists are getting a load of use out of it too

glacial light
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AI in art/voice acting is extremely shit because it's entire intent is to replace someone and not provide some capabilities previously not available to humanity

tiny owl
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if there's anything to complain about academically it's that AI is such a buzzword in research that it kind of steals all the oxygen/funding in the room for sometimes questionable projects

honest acorn
tiny owl
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yep

honest acorn
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We gotta have a comprehensive ban on calling things “AI” until someone makes a functional proof-of-qualia test :p

tiny owl
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I would unironically love that

glacial light
tiny owl
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calling all this stuff AI gives me a severe headache because it just ain't

glacial light
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But yea that's my TED talk, people's feelings about AI art/voice acting is extremely valid but I don't like bundling that trash with like, real machine learning stuff worthy of the AI tag that's been in use and has proven value to humanity

honest acorn
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There’s 0 things worth calling AI on the market rn, but there are some interesting pattern search algorithms in some fields

glacial light
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I do have half an associates in machine learning applications before AI art was really a proven concept or even known in the public sphere. It's good stuff and i'm sad the average person associates it now with like ChatGPT or AI art

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Wait this isn't video games this is helldivers

tiny owl
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Ye

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Apologies for sending things barrelling off topic

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My bad

tight zephyr
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I like the recoilless rifle a lot.

unreal merlin
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Is good. Team-loading it can really dunk on bile titans.

stone bridge
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A team loaded RR is just kinda the best anti-armour tool you can get

unkempt river
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RR is so dang good. I really should work out some sort of Sickle/Nade Pistol/Stun/RR build... maybe using stim armor?

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But the pippack remains glued to me for now

tall stone
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Also, after finally fiddling around with backpacks, I have determined that I don't actually like the shieldpack.

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Rover however is great.

unkempt river
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Shieldpack is ok, but it's purely a stopper for you messing up (ime)

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I greatly prefer Ammo or Rover or a pack Weapon

tall stone
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Rover helps me get out of bad situations far better.

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I can run and get rid of some of the chasers, it lets me know if something is sneaking up on me, it helps my clear....

unkempt river
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Yeah, rover p good.

strange vine
unkempt river
tall stone
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Pippack is great, and I also have no qualms with it.

unreal merlin
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Did we even get an opportunity to test the AT mines?

tall stone
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No. Never even made it to Choohe.

unkempt river
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Pack Siblings cookiecheer

tall stone
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I just vibe with Rover more. Fits my playstyle.

unkempt river
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Absolutely fair

tall stone
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I will also commit heresy here: I don't really like Sickle.

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It's OK, it lasts forever.

unkempt river
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Whereas I'm just a little ammo goblin

tall stone
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But somethings missing from it.

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With Eruptor in its current state, I just find myself returning to the Breaker.

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I think my biggest issue with the Sickle is that it tries to enforce how long I shoot.

unkempt river
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ah, oof

tall stone
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Because I keep getting thoughts of "You can make it last forever though if you stop now"

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Wheras with a Breaker, I can have my "Ohno there's too much here spray and pray" moments without feeling bad.

unreal merlin
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The reduction from 6 mags to 3 does put more pressure like that, yeah

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the actual reloading of the sickle is super fast, but psychologically you're always more worried about not overheating and then the cooldown takes waaaaay longer than reloading

tall stone
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The simple fact of the matter is that sometimes I need a primary that just lets me spray the entire screen with lead.

unkempt river
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Interesting.

glacial light
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Sickle is my favorite rapid fire weapon for that reason. There's risk/reward decision making when you're about to overheat although even with 3 heatsinks once you learn to just accept overheating and reloading in bad situations cause ammo boxes are plentiful it's just shoots a ridiculous amounts of shots over a mission, if you don't have 2k+ shots per mission with a sickle you were playing too safe. You don't even have to reload you can also shoot to switch to sidearm.

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Also it's very accurate rapid fire for bot weakpoints

unkempt river
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I.... maybe cause I'm an ammo goblin, I don't find the pressure to let it cool higher on 3 mags than 6

tall stone
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I am prone to going "Fuck it, too much going on at once. I just want that entire direction gone."

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And it reflects in my favorite strats.

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380, Eagle Clusters, Laser Cannon, Airburst....

unreal merlin
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If you can break the habit of thinking there's no ammo to just pick up from POIs, the hesitation to overheat laser weapons can be mitigated.

#

Be a little ammo vacuum.

tall stone
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It also just might be sound design hitting me.

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Because Laser Cannon has that tremendously satisfying BWWWWWOOOOOOOMMMMMMM

glacial light
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Sickle's sound game is pretty weak

tight zephyr
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I've gotten pretty good at swatting Automaton dropships with the RR.

unreal merlin
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Because the sound of the Sickle is more of a crack! rather than a pew!?

glacial light
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Yea it sounds like a bullet for some reason

tall stone
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Scythe also tickles my fancy.

unreal merlin
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realistically that's because it kind of is, I think

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it certainly doesn't behave exactly like a pulse laser (instantaneous) but even if it IS technically a laser, the crack is the sound of the air popping from heat or somesuch

tall stone
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The importance of sound design is something I learned from Riot games design. There was an article they had where they talked about how people thought a power had been buffed because they altered its sound design and changed nothing else. Like, performance improved with it too and everything.

unreal merlin
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but that way is kinda just talking out my ass

#

there's no evidence of the physics we're working with

unkempt river
tall stone
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Scythe is great into bots because it can laser pointer into weak points easily.

unkempt river
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I'm not a huge fan of it, but that's probably because I keep expecting it to be lower-ap LasCannon

glacial light
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I don't like the laser cannon cause the first person sight obscures a good amount combined with the bright laser effect makes it hard to like see if you're hitting weakpoints at a distance

#

How does the Scythe play

unkempt river
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And it's similar, but its reliance on weakspots relative to the cannon makes it feelbad™️ to me

tall stone
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Scythe and Laser Cannon are rather similar. They reward you more for third person shooting, which is really accurate for them. They also have good range.

unkempt river
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But, if you're good at weakspots, it's a laser pointer of DOOOOOOOOM

tall stone
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Laser Cannon is just insanely versatile, nearly to the tier of Autocannon.

unkempt river
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I find FP better for popping hulk faces

honest acorn
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I prefer the scythe for bugs but that's cause I suck at hitting devastator weak spots with it

unkempt river
unkempt river
glacial light
tall stone
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Lasercannon can take out Hulk arms and legs, tank treads, scout striders from the front (hit the crotch for a bit), any devestators, charger butts (or armpits with some work), Bile Titan sacs, spewer faces.

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And it somehow still can be an anti-horde weapon too.

unkempt river
unkempt river
honest acorn
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The scythe just has a bad fpv sight

tall stone
unkempt river
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ops?

tall stone
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Orbital Precision Strike.

unkempt river
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Ah

tall stone
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2 and a little extra damage takes a strider out.

unkempt river
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Oh

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oh, I was talking about Scout Striders. Not Factory Striders

tall stone
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Ooooooh

unkempt river
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Yeah

tall stone
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Yeah, knees do pop faster.

unkempt river
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It can pop chin guns on the facStrider tho

tall stone
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I think it can get Factory Strider knees too.

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But again, the code has been cracked for factory striders for me.

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2 Hellpods and 1 OPS kills 'em from full.

unkempt river
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So I can pop both and then just shimmy under the thing and toss down OPS

tall stone
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Yep.

unkempt river
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I just HATE those chin guns EyesSquint

tall stone
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The Chin guns are a problem

honest acorn
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I've actually only seen 1 factory strider

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And we just killed it with an eagle air strike

tall stone
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Yeah, they don't actually have a ton of health. So if you can hit 'em with stuff that counts, they tend to crumple.

unkempt river
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And they're at the head height so they have a good chance to just instantly gib you T^T

tall stone
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Yep.

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Knees are your friend.

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Or having the team member who's willing to run the gauntlet and be a distraction.

alpine seal
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i need to stop quickplaying on vernen wells

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tall stone
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You know the one, the guy who grabs medic armor.

unkempt river
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I really hope we get medic heavy armor

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It'd be so fun

tall stone
#

Same.

alpine seal
#

nighttime there is. absurd

stone bridge
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We have it

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It's in the superstore rotation

tall stone
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Ah, bugger.

unkempt river
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To just look EVERYTHING in the eye and say "no"

tall stone
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Superstore.

alpine seal
#

also yeah, there's one in the superstore. added last month

glacial light
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Butcher armor has been in the store a few times

stone bridge
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Butcher, I think it's called

unkempt river
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Oh, I've missed it every time it's come up, apparently

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T^T

glacial light
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It's pretty great with the headshot buff

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Makes bugs a lot more survivable

unkempt river
#

I also want a medium med armor that is something other than the white we've gotten so far

glacial light
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Unfortunately all medic armor is white and green

shy prairie
#

Isn't there that twitch drop set

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(Which is green and minor tan afair)

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Oh it was limited time I see

tall stone
#

It's good to be back home on the Bot front.

cobalt patrol
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<@&1206091872716595200> Currently having dinner and shit, but in like 30 minutes an hour i'll be finding people TO DIVE

orchid pulsar
#

yeeh id be down

oblique hazel
#

I can hop in for an op or so

oblique hazel
#

actually scratch that, y'all will have to spill some oil without me

cobalt patrol
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Tha'ts okay!

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I am still munching my dinner *(i am alslow eater)

orchid pulsar
#

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verbal summit
#

Krill one krillion bots

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RAAAAAAA

orchid pulsar
#

YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS (also im stealing that)

modest fiber
#

lol

cobalt patrol
#

and then sure

orchid pulsar
#

sure

cobalt patrol
#

Well, that's potentially gross - Steam support is claiming it's on sony restricting the publishing regions 😦

stark ether
#

I already flipped my review again

cobalt patrol
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(Potentially because the only source i can find is Reddit, and i do not trust reddit currently)

glad marsh
#

I think we celebrated a bit too early here :(

stark ether
#

well it wouldnt make too much sense for valve to double down on the restrictions

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the first time it could have made sense for it to be valve as they could have potentially been held liable but after the psn requirement was walked back thats nol onger the case and i doubt that valve would pressure sony via region restrictions rather than just threatening to drop the game entirely

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if they were trying to get something more solid about not requiring a psn ever

tight zephyr
#

You ever wonder why we’re here?

honest acorn
#

Just to helldive letsgooooooo

trail nymph
#

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone up for a dive or 3?

tight zephyr
#

I would, but I have to do the commission work for my friend who bought me the game.

strange vine
tight zephyr
#

Character art for their Exalted character, who is a pretty lady in not very much clothing with a giant katana.

glacial light
stark ether
#

That's not tinfoil hat

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What I'm actually expecting is Sony to pressure arrowhead into dropping the sc spawn rate or put a daily cap on it or somthing

honest acorn
#

Did AHS tweak the spawn rate of friend doors?

#

I swear I haven't seen one in a while

glacial light
#

Idk I see then just as regularly on like solo missions which I generally do diff 3 or 5 depending on my mood

#

A bit silly but I kind of would want to see a Tesla dog and wear the arc armor and just be a conductor of death

strange vine
#

that would be very funny

oblique storm
honest acorn
#

Huh wild

tight zephyr
#

Okay, I don't know why everyone was telling me that the bots are worse to fight than bugs.

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Bile spewers are the worst.

blissful sparrow
#

lingering resentment for rocket devestators

honest acorn
#

Back when rockets 1 shot you unless you wore heavy fortified armor they were

blissful sparrow
#

or when armor didn't do anything so it didn't matter what type of armor you wore

honest acorn
#

yeah haha

wide mural
#

bile spewers are a huge part of why I favored grenade launcher into bugs for so long

#

it just ruins their day

glacial light
#

Yea bots feel a lot more refined in a lot of ways

lethal badger
#

God

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I hate randoms sometimes

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Kid joins, immediately dies

glacial light
#

Like now there's rarely any bot things that will one shot you without warning

lethal badger
#

Uses our last revive

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Last guy on our team doesn’t grab the samples

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And just fucking guns to extract

#

10 samples gone

honest acorn
#

I really like how Helldivers 2 is a horde shooter which isn't just you constantly being ambushed

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You can ambush or avoid patrols, and you get these really cool unfolding fights vs bots on high diff

blissful sparrow
honest acorn
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Where they incidentally form like fire and maneuver teams and flank you

blissful sparrow
#

love looking like a cylon centurion

ionic holly
#

I still have no strong preference in fighting either
might dislike some enemy types but that's it really

Bots give a calmer more collected runs, but Bugs have that chaos from their specials like stalkers

glacial light
#

My only gripe with bugs rn are spewers

ionic holly
#

And sometimes i just don't want a more refined fight, sometimes i just wanna slam my way through bugs

glacial light
#

Oh also the largest bugs are practically silent

honest acorn
#

Yeah I hate it when a Charger RKO's me out of silence

ionic holly
#

I'll admit at this point i have no means of being snuck up on by spewers now that i've accustomed to seeing their shadows

glacial light
#

Little prowlers and hunters are like cicada while BT make almost no noise until they spew

honest acorn
#

Sneakiest 20 ton sprinter of all time

ionic holly
#

That's one of the more fun tells i've learned with bugs

Their shadows

glacial light
ionic holly
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Hasn't happened yet actually