Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[jolly mortar]

same thing as with the microtransactions. feels like they only did it because sony put a proverbial gun to their heads.

[glad marsh]

Baffled that the microtransactions in there are negligible anyways

Despite everything

[short rune]

Technically it wouldn't have been legit either way. The Store-Page never said a linking was MANDATORY.

[glad marsh]

Shareholders really like battle passes and microtransactions these days

[lunar pendant]

also im dying of laughter, ceo of Arrowhead posted this

thats the reviews on steam

[short rune]

But look, HD 2 releases battlepasses every couple months.

[glad marsh]

Oh it's every month

They've kinda flipped it on its head, I hope other game dev companies are actually watching

They can't not be at this point, though

[short rune]

And each of them costs a special currency so people can't see how much money they would actually pay. It's the microtransactions 101

And the shop is even timed

[glad marsh]

There is a pack of super creds that's exactly the amount you'll need for a warbond. It's like 15 bucks where I am

You definitely can know how much money it's worth

[short rune]

Yes, but the shareholders dont need to know

[jolly mortar]

gods I enjoy this man's sense of humor about everything

[glad marsh]

Oh, yeah no

Please god don't let your video game shareholders do anything, their touch corrupts

[lunar pendant]

i hope we get that as a cape called some shit like "The Power of Collective Unity"

[short rune]

I imagine Sony gave Arrowhead like a list and they were.
"Oh yeah. We will definitely implement all points" Winks

As soon shareholders get involved things go bad like milk

[lunar pendant]

so i just looked at the retweets and-

[sinful bay]

PPPFFFF would be awesome

[short rune]

There was a HD-1 Cape with that pattern

Just a different colour scheme

Oh wait. Nevermind

[lunar pendant]

nature is healing

[short rune]

Who wrote a bad review today?

[lunar pendant]

idk, prolly folks who havent caught the news yet

i flipped my review back to good yesterday

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> We got room for 1 more

[short rune]

Their post translated from Corpospeak to English

[naive dragon]

lmao

[glacial light]

The best outcome happened bless the indomitable human spirit

[sinful bay]

HAH

[glacial light]

Sony was Helldiver's creekmire and we should get a cape for it

May the 6th should be freedom day in lore for you know nondescript celebration for victory against tyrants

[naive dragon]

There's a cape like Tyrant Hunter or something like that, I'll be putting it on when I finish downloadingh

[glacial light]

Also wonder how long until it goes from overwhelmingly negative to overwhelming positive, I believe it's a mixed rn

If it's 3 days it's gonna be the biggest review whiplash in gaming history from positive to negative back to positive in 1 week

[blissful sparrow]

i don't think it'll fully recover just because there will be a large number of reviews that will just stay as is. But i could see a 80+ again

[glacial light]

The real plot twist is Joel planned the whole Sony thing with an IRL MO because it'll be nothing compared to the illuminate /s

[dusty spruce]

I think the graph lags behind a little. Half of the negative reviews when searching show up as positive (having already been changed) when you click on them.
May actually continue to see some 'negative' reviews being posted as well, since I dunno if the dating of steam reviews are 100% accurate

especially when you have 90k+ being made in a single day

[sinful bay]

Gonna change when iget home

[tall stone]

Also, once again I see people not understanding the fundamental differences between the Bot Front and the Bug Front.

"Why can't the bot players just focus on one planet?"

"The bug player can focus on one planet just fine!"

[sinful bay]

Wish I could bring Genghis MK1 to the bug planet

[graceful bluff]

It's important to remember that the quarterly isn't until june 30th, so they could still pull shit

[sinful bay]

So is important to make an even bigger stinker if they try to pull this shit again

[tall stone]

I plan on getting super citizen for Arrowhead's sake.

[graceful bluff]

they won't see a dime of it

Everything is owned by sony

[graceful bluff]

Especially since the announcement was worded in a very legalese way that basically said "We won't do it at this deadline"

[sinful bay]

yeeeeeeeeeah

[short rune]

We should definitely helldive into Sony's HQ

[sinful bay]

86222 Sony HQ, got it

6288422 would be even better too

[glacial light]

Just gotta get a few thousand new helldivers out of crro to replace the old ones and leave reviews

[tall stone]

God, I hate immediately being overtaken about talk about how the bot front can't get as organized as the bug front, and how we keep screwing up our major orders.

I don't think people understand why the terminid front is easy to organize.

[glad marsh]

Have we really been screwing up major orders though?

[tall stone]

Because they've never had to deal with more than, what, 3 planets being available to dive in at once until the most recent MO? And guess what, the exact same thing that happens on the bot front happened there

[glad marsh]

I thought we won the last few

[tall stone]

points at the weapons.

[short rune]

Bot front says the same about the Bug front.

[unreal merlin]

It's almost like the bot front explicitly has a narrative of "holy shit there's too many, just dig in and hold what we can"

Crazy

The blueberry Zerg will follow the major orders as directed

[short rune]

Also, we have been losing major orders a lot lately

[tall stone]

It's true about both fronts, the Bug Front just hasn't had the pleasure of having a bunch of planets to dive on at once until the MO. And as soon as the MO happened, they started diving on a bunch of different planets at once.

So they got to have the fun of "Why are there 12k on Erata Prime doing nothing while we're tring to take Fenrir III?!"

[short rune]

How often did we lose Estanu by now?

6 times?

[tall stone]

Yep

[short rune]

Where are our divers?

[sinful bay]

working : (

[tall stone]

Currently, 65% of the game population is on Hellmire.

[unreal merlin]

And we'll lose it sixty more times if need be! Wait-

[tall stone]

Everything is equally at 0% liberation on the Bot front, so we just have no idea where to go there.

[glacial light]

If we lose the planet that means we can win it back again, that's more a whole 33% more victories per planet

But also is there a reward for reclaiming planets outside of MOs

[short rune]

We can win it back if Joel desires so

[tall stone]

No, and it makes it so we can't drop on that planet for a while.

So we're actively disincentivized from taking, say, Marfark.

Oh hey, the Bot problem is starting on the bug front. New MO.

[unreal merlin]

Back on angels venture and heeth

[north fiber]

https://vxtwitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1787379765441085890

Sounds like the negative review chart is going to become a cape lmao

[short rune]

A shame "Tyrant-Hunter" has already been used as a name

[graceful bluff]

Fighting game player spotted

[sinful bay]

HAHAHAHA

[sinful bay]

[1+2]x3 and [3+4]x3
With love
-King

[graceful bluff]

Wish you a very nice

[sinful bay]

:V

[tall stone]

As if the universe wants to reward me, the bot front is immediately in chaos

"wtf why is the blob still on Hellmire"

[sinful bay]

6246 P 62486 P :3

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> i summon thee

[graceful bluff]

Found the one I was looking for finally :v

[sinful bay]

What the flying hell is that one from

Is that the Exterminatus stratagem

https://twitter.com/Bebsi394/status/1787380113232826460

Bebsi (@Bebsi394) on X

@Pilestedt @IncognitoBlazer someone in the discord community made this and its been being spread around :D i think it looks awesome

Twitter · May 6, 2024, 7:13 AM

[pure wave]

Some people think arrowhead are, in general, corrupt and evil

[stark ether]

thats the steam reviews

[pure wave]

Yeah we're not meeting that one.

[glacial light]

I mean overwhelmingly negative to mixed in less than 12 hours is good imo

[orchid pulsar]

room for two more <@&1206091872716595200>

[glacial light]

It took 3 days to go from overwhlemingly positive to overwhelmingly negative

[pure wave]

Found this in another discord

[glacial light]

That looks very nice

[orchid pulsar]

now that is amazing

[stark ether]

i'm hoping in a day or two once the reviews level out we'll get designs with both sides of the review bomb

[pure wave]

I agree

[pure wave]

Glad he's alright

[sinful bay]

also this

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> you should join us NOW

[keen zinc]

will toaster hit me with a 380

[orchid pulsar]

hope not

i will give you permission to shoot him on sight if he does though

[sinful bay]

Just 380 at him smh /j

[hexed steeple]

mutual 380

[glacial light]

Have a 380 cooked in your hand so it's MAD when you drop it and die

[honest acorn]

New war info

[sinful bay]

All 4 players throw their 380 when extracting

Can Pelican 1 extract faster before the CPU burns and dies?
We shall see

[honest acorn]

Interesting that we now seem to know that terminids use spores to move between planets

[sinful bay]

So that's what happens when the Tyranids have an Ork only diet

[alpine seal]

is this what happened on octarius

[sinful bay]

Yes
yes it is

This is a lie.

[glacial light]

How? Does the spores just get ejected into space until they hit nearby planets?

[honest acorn]

dunno, but somehow spores from meridia are getting to nearby planets

My theory is that the FTL bug juice allows them to warp the spores between planets

[pure wave]

Very possible

[glacial light]

Local Charger drinks a bunch of FTL bug juice and FTL jumps into a Super Destroyer fleet, destroying it new Star War hyperspace style.

[graceful bluff]

or super earth is just lying, again

[pure wave]

Preposterous

They would never, clearly

[dusty spruce]

Spores was the methods they used to colonize other planets in Helldivers 1, pre-super earth control/farming

[graceful bluff]

I thought they had control even back in the super earth days because players discovered human construction on the "home" worlds of the terminids

[glacial light]

I thought Terminids were found on multiple planets near their home world

[honest acorn]

yeah terminids had their own (unknown) method of space travel in HD1

And weren't being farmed or anything

The plot there was that the terminid worlds were being invaded for their resources

[graceful bluff]

What I'm saying is that there's pretty good theories that hd1 was the same, super earth losing control of the terminids

maybe not farming at the same level as in hd2, but preparing it

[pure wave]

Also, reminder that losing the galactic war is okay

[honest acorn]

I don't remember any implication like that in HD1

[pure wave]

It'll just restart anyways

[graceful bluff]

wars over, long live the war

[tall stone]

The Helldivers Galactic War chat is still losing its mind.

[glacial light]

I want to see the narrative if we like get pushed back really far by the bots

[tall stone]

Some people are trying to push for the defense so we don't loose the only supply line to one of the MO planets.

Other people are saying "No, follow the blob and take Heeth, it's the only way we'll make progress!"

And then there's the ever-present cry of "WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PEOPLE ON HELLMIRE STILL?!"

[graceful bluff]

Doesn't help that there's no way to see supply lines ingame

[stark ether]

i mean thats a solid line of reasoning for this game

[ionic holly]

i mean this is a very justifiable one

like seriously guys we have a bug major order

leave hellmire be

maybe it'll also become a super colony and lose the fire tornadoes /joke

[tall stone]

Hellmire is currently the third most populated planted, with 9.8k

[glacial light]

We need to do what we did to Malevelon Creek with Hellmire, throw an MO at it to finish it in like a day then we have no more hellmirers

[ionic holly]

Yeah but then they'll just gravitate to a different planet

cycle repeats ad infinitum

[pure wave]

This is true

[tall stone]

Current state of the MO:

[ionic holly]

How many days do we have for the record?

[tall stone]

3 days, 20 hours left.

[stark ether]

they should pull the thing from guns of Icarus where the community can vote up certain people to be able to put go here markers on the map

[ionic holly]

Field commanders

[stark ether]

was an extra good mechanic as the game had a dedicated button for queing up for things at those markers

[tall stone]

Acamar is currently considered a lost cause, as we'd need more than 60% of the players there to take it.

[glacial light]

Outside of MO most players basically don't know what to do since supply lines aren't visible so they just pick planets, having a community voted top planet be extra glowy for casual players for each bots and bugs would be good to coordinate playerbase when there isn't an MO

[tall stone]

But yeah. It does me good to see the bug players get the chance to realize how hard it is to actually coordinate when you have more than 2 or 3 competing objectives.

[dusty spruce]

I'm more surprised that so many people are avoiding Heeth to go to Hellmire. Used to be people avoided hot planets like the plague.

[pure wave]

Fire is in season

[keen zinc]

i dont want to take the orders of Super Rommel Jr.

[tall stone]

Also, to show how silly the Hellmire thing truly is. The total number of players on the entire bot front is 10k

There are nearly as many people just on Hellmire as there are trying to desperately stem the flow of the Automatons.

[pure wave]

Hilarious

[graceful bluff]

Yeah, planetside 2 showed how bad an idea this could be

[honest acorn]

I appreciate people being hard enough to mass on hellmire haha

[blissful sparrow]

eh, PS2s order "markers" generally worked okish, just the order chat was a bit too toxic to work.

[glacial light]

A global "strategy" chat sounds like hell

[pure wave]

Absolutely

[blissful sparrow]

tho i loved shittalking in yellchat 😌

[pure wave]

I think maybe making actual squad or battalion organization would be neat, though I'm not sure how that'd change the community

[dusty spruce]

The idea is neat but wouldn't, by the current positioning of players, just lead to the voted player putting the marker on Hellmire anyway?

[glacial light]

We need a lore accurate managed and democractic voting system where you asks you a bunch of random questions and it picks 1 bot and 1 bug planet to vote for you for community voted planet.

And the algorithm should be as obscure as possible

[unreal merlin]

Mmmm. Managed.

[tall stone]

Also, confirmation from Spitz that we're also transmitting spores by traveling.

[blissful sparrow]

call it the Joel algorithm

[quick crown]

Nah fuck that, I'm in the camp of chaos. Keep things as unclear and ambiguous as possible.

The less I have some unnamed players in my ears the better

[blissful sparrow]

explains why they implemented the gore staying on the armorafter a mission

[tall stone]

yep!

[glacial light]

Surely there could be no consequences from the Super Destroyer Shower Module being removed to fit in an extra hellbomb

[pure wave]

Other than it being rad sick and cool beans

[pure wave]

You wake up and there's a warrior growing in one of the cryo pods

[blissful sparrow]

can i pet it?

[glacial light]

Wouldn't it be funny if you could like spend Requisitions on a shower subscription and if enough players do that it'd reduce the bug's spread because the spores on our armor aren't spreading via super destroyers

[tall stone]

That's not the worst part. How many civvies have we extracted from Terminid worlds?

[blissful sparrow]

i mean, i'll buy 10? what else am i gonna do with the req

[naive dragon]

Next you're going to tell me those chopped up bodies aren't murdered Super Earth loyalists but the unwanted remains of people who automatized voluntari- [TRANSMISSION INTERRUPTED]

[dusty spruce]

If we can't afford showers we can always just go for the First War of Armageddon route

[glacial light]

I'm not a big fan of the government
30 on 30

[pure wave]

Let me speak to the people

They need to hear this

But yeah

Not hopeful for this MO

Ngl I hope we lose harder

I want people to start getting scared of losing the war
Then they realize it's just

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-camus-philosophy-gif-27655787

[naive dragon]

I want the supercolony to be ||how they introduce Hive Lords and other bosses||

[blissful sparrow]

first i want the buggy

i want to sit in a buggy driving circles around a 200m tall giant enemy firing the machine gun into it

[naive dragon]

very fun

[glacial light]

Moby Dick but it's John Helldiver firing his Spear at a Hive Lord that's been evading him

[pure wave]

Y'know

I hope we get more water stuff

I want a harpoon gun

Let me fight the water bugs

[graceful bluff]

I mean more the leader personalities that showed up, and how all of them got put in a chatroom together

[pure wave]

There is an untapped bug supply in the ocean...

[naive dragon]

Let the Hell Divers dive

[graceful bluff]

Like.. what was that bald fuckhead called again

buzzcutpsycho that's it

[blissful sparrow]

what was that movie called? the one where dragons came back and the US military brigade landed on the british isles and attacked dragons with humvees and tanks? i want that. I want Micheal Bay Transformers US Military vs Giant Decepticon

[naive dragon]

Reign of Fire

I think?

[tall stone]

I still love this, btw.

[glacial light]

A shame tyrant hunter cape already exists

[tall stone]

Indeed. They'll come up with something good, I'm sure.

[sinful bay]

Tyrant's lament that will get someone fired for sure

[keen zinc]

Servant of Meritocracy

[oblique storm]

Voice Of Displeasure

[tall stone]

United Actions

[hot meadow]

“Democracy in Action”

(A meal? A succulent Chinese meal?)

[pure wave]

"Anthem of Freedom"

[keen zinc]

Democracy Manifest

[sweet surge]

Eh I'll still wait for a confirmation thats more solid than gif posted by a CM.

[glacial light]

This perk makes Sony's attempts to be greedy fail 50% of the time

[heady halo]

"review bomb"

[glacial light]

Dropping a 500kg review bomb at your publisher

[heady halo]

v>vv>vvv

[rich marlin]

Babysat a LL6 for a couple missions and they were a cool guy

I like doing that. It’s fun

(Not me using lancer terms for Helldivers)

[pure wave]

Haven't played recently...

Is the airburst launcher any good?

[glacial light]

Against bugs it's fantastic

If you point it at a patrol and fire it will usually delete them all before they can call in a bug breach

Amazing for playing with randos since it preemptively stops breaches and the possibility of breach loops and getting stuck in one place

[honest acorn]

It's not bad against bots but can struggle to handle massed devastators

And bots often spread out more

[glacial light]

If you fire it at a dropship filled with troopers they're good as dead though but yea many medium bots will survive the airburst launcher

[supple siren]

also; pay very much attention to what weapon you are holding

this thing needs SPACE

[alpine seal]

i haven't really messed with it too much after the detection patch - how much more lenient is the airburster now?

[supple siren]

it's less likely to self-destruct on objects and teammates but just the AOE itself is enormous

[quick crown]

I have been soft banned in my little group from using the airburst

[glacial light]

A lot more, i've never been killed by an errand premature burst. If I did kill myself with the weapon it's cause I definitely chose to fire it really close

[quick crown]

No one trusts me to not murder them

[supple siren]

the first day it dropped it was kind of a prank weapon

[glacial light]

Yea pre-patched I used it for like 2 missions and killed myself 3 times, fired at targets really far and it just blew up in my face basically

[quick crown]

Its REALLY nice to have 5 eagle clusters to fire out though

Thats how I look at them tbh

[supple siren]

also real map dependant

[honest acorn]

Yeah I've only teamkilled when it was my own fault

[glacial light]

Although you already get 5 eagle clusters with eagle stratagem, but refillable clusters are nice

[supple siren]

i wouldn't bring it to a jungle

[honest acorn]

Don't shoot at things closer than about 20 meters

[quick crown]

Now i can have 10

[glacial light]

Be a true helldiver and bring both eagle cluster and Airburst

There will be no ads

[honest acorn]

And don't shoot at bile titans

[quick crown]

[honest acorn]

The bouncing submunitions go EVERYWHERE

[quick crown]

Also i love love how many you carry

[supple siren]

i love the look of the thing, the rockets, the explosions themselves, the fireworks on an airshot

[quick crown]

And the silloette they make is also appealing like the spike poking out the back

[glacial light]

Yea the "buff" to reflected munitions is kind of stronger and makes hitting armored targets with cluster/airburst rockets much deadlier

[quick crown]

Reloading doesnt have a in between step except though i think

At least not 3

Because RR has the eject, load, lock

But i feel like airburst is load and thats it

Not load, twist

[glacial light]

I don't think i've ever seen it, but does Airburst have team reload? 👀

[quick crown]

Yeah its avertised in the little example as having one

[glacial light]

Simply wipe out anything without armor within line of sight

[honest acorn]

yes but it feels excessive most of the time

[glacial light]

But imagine 2 helldivers being team reloaded with airburst and tanking frames

[pure wave]

SPEAR is still my baby

Nothing better than a Javelin rocket launcher (I wish I could make the rocket punch onto the top of the tank turret)

[glacial light]

If spear had better lockon i've love it so much

It would probably replace Quasar for me

[tall stone]

I still prefer EATs

Hellpod good

[glacial light]

The annoying thing about the EATS as much as I love it is I had running back to the 2nd EAT when there's more than 1 threat

It would be too good but if there a ship module that lets me pick up both EATs I would retire happy

[blissful sparrow]

helldiver discovers usecase for the commando, 2024 colorized

[quick crown]

I wont go on my spear tyrade again i just have to agree and hope it becomes a weapon i dont need to do a prayer before everytime i fire.

Once its reliable to at least FIRE its going to be my go to for bots

[graceful bluff]

Being able to sling the second eat on your backpack slot would be so nice

[blissful sparrow]

well... that is called the recoilless rifle

[graceful bluff]

not really

[pure wave]

The SPEAR is the kind of weapon you gotta go "well maybe I can threaten you by acting like I'm swapping to something else"

[hot meadow]

I think reloading that thing is worse than running for the second eat lol

[pure wave]

Like with a slow loading program

[glacial light]

Another change that probably would never happen is 35 second EATs pod that only drops one EAT but the hellpod can't hurt enemies.

I want to play DDR

[graceful bluff]

Imagine a weaponized version of the minigame on the destroyer

as long as you keep doing correct inputs without fucking up it keeps popping random shit around you

[glacial light]

380mm barrage but you have to input a stratagem for every strike

[stark token]

380mm shell

Same area targeting as the barrage (throw, it hits somewhere in a wide area)
You have 10 until you need to rearm

[azure pewter]

380m strike, hits where you throw it and a random point 380m away

[cobalt patrol]

I do kinda want a 380 burst where it's just multiple 380mm shots in a decently tight cluster fired all in one go

[glacial light]

Imprecision orbital strike

[tall stone]

"Delete Bile Titan"

[ionic holly]

God that reminds me, i hit a new record for how many titans i headshotted in one mission with the spear today

6

[glacial light]

Democracy smiles upon you

I wish Spear consistently targeted weak points if it can see it

You got a weapon that locks on and sometimes it just body slams a titan

[ionic holly]

Mm... i don't personally want that
i'll be happy with just more consistency, but specifically weak spots feels dull

make me work for the trajectory, not the lock

[glacial light]

I mean if you have to work the trajectory, what really separates it from like a RR

[sinful bay]

THE CAPE IS HERE!
Not the actual cape

||https://fixupx.com/helldiversmedia/status/1787537227066876235?s=46||

[stone bridge]

That's not an official account, no cape yet

[wind arrow]

i like this one better https://twitter.com/CidPsych/status/1787566427794252117

Cid (@CidPsych) on X

@Helldiversmedia Prefer this design

Twitter · May 6, 2024, 7:33 PM

[sinful bay]

Damn , pardon

[graceful bluff]

Not affiliated with AH, fake cape, bought verification checkmark

[sweet surge]

I thought HD media and HD alerts accounts were cool.

Until they started posting their opinions as well

[ionic holly]

Iunno
more fire and forget capability? the main draw lock on should have rather than a freebie weakspot hit respectfully?

My concern is weakspot locking just making it better rather than another option

[glacial light]

Freebie hits exist, 110 rocket pods and orbital railcannon

[ionic holly]

cause if you snipe a BT's head from 200+ out, thats just

a lot.

[ionic holly]

110s have limited use before reload and railcannon goes on cooldown after use

Not to mention 110s can be... unreliable in my experience

But yeah i do wanna mention like
when spear lock is fixed, you can lock on from 200+

its got fuckin R A N G E

[glacial light]

Does it lock on from that far

[ionic holly]

And i
really dont like the idea of being able to just sheer a BT's head off with minimal effort just cause i brought the javelin

Yes

i have had it lock from that far

both on buildings and live targets

[glacial light]

What do you do to have it lock on further than like 80m

I feel like I always have to get that close for lock on to work

[ionic holly]

Iunno, i typically make sure i can see the bottom of the enemy and if needs be find an elevated surface

the second helps less than the first

And the first is frankly optional on some targets (Aforementioned BTs)

I wont defend the spear against the fact its inconsistent, but i'd rather that be fixed before we slap on other buffs

One step at a time, yknow?

I apologize, am i coming on strong? i hope im not

[glacial light]

Not at all

[ionic holly]

i just dont.. want the spear to get overtuned and then get its knees broken in

Not saying arrowhead does that often, its more just experience with other group's balancing

[glacial light]

I think the only buffed weapon that was then nerfed due to being overtuned thanks to the buff is the jar dominator

Even then it went from 200 damage to 300, then down to 275

[ionic holly]

And even then it was a very minor damage nerf

But, yeah
Ultimately i would like to see the lock on fix before i air on the side of any buffs

cause im just cautious of "oh hey this BT is about 200 out, lemme just dome it"

[glacial light]

I'd agree

[ionic holly]

i say this having DONE that, but it feels better when you do it yourself rather than the game do it

which i know that sounds weird cause yeah its a lock on, but its center of mass

Oh also this is a change i just really want cause its so stupid

please remove shriekers from the spear lock list.

gunships are one thing, they spawn one at a time

[glacial light]

RIP

[ionic holly]

Its so crazy to me that the spear locks on to shriekers, but not their nest

[hearty sleet]

I've stumbled on this guide to the SPEAR targeting a while ago, may have changed since (April 11, 2024): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIFM401niIo

It has immense range, but really wonky targeting

[ionic holly]

Yep yep!

i didnt know anyone actually made a spear video, well one that didnt instantly dunk on it

[glacial light]

I think Spear could use some love besides lockon cause as I see it, it competes with RR as they're both anti-tank backpack reload weapon. But RR has more ammo and fires quicker and now RR can one shot chargers to the head and hulks also to eye.

[ionic holly]

Yeah, but the spear has its range, so thats my big concern with doing much to it

i really dont want it to get turned into a "fuck you 9000"

[glacial light]

RR has range, it just requires aiming

[tall stone]

The Spear does like prioritizing weakpoints. It doesn't exclusively do it, but it does like going for them more on the really big targets.

[ionic holly]

I will note, yeah if its able it seems like the rockets "tilt" to weakspots

its not a unique lock, it just kinda seems to veer towards it

i dont know if its intentional or a side effect of COM targeting

[tall stone]

EAT is still my go to for anti-armor, and will probably forver stay there because if I play my cards right, it's a 3 heavy kill.

[hearty sleet]

I think the SPEAR targeting system, even without the quirks, would be a self-limiting factor compared to free-fire options.

[ionic holly]

I will also note my love of pairing the spear with the GP

So fun thing i learned, when their armour is blown off, the GP does mondo damage to squishy bits

[glacial light]

Like a change i'd make as an armchair Helldiver is 2 stage lockon, first stage is it's current and works as it does now and you can fire it here, after first stage lockon the 2nd stage takes a while but it'll auto lockon to weak spots assuming it has LoS

[ionic holly]

Mm...

i dont know i just

i really dont want "fuck this guy" and it basically be a glorified sniper

[hearty sleet]

Mmm, and it's already incredibly accurate at really long ranges when it dosen't run into targeting issues

[tall stone]

I already have a "Fuck that guy" slot, it's the OPS

[ionic holly]

Aye, thats why i really dont want specific weakspot targeting

I just think its fine if its the less liked of the 3 launcher options, not everything needs to be better

[ionic holly]

WAIT

WHAT

IT CAN LOCK ON SHRIEKER NESTS?

[hearty sleet]

Needs to see the whole structure to reliably lock

[ionic holly]

Same deal as bot outposts, rog

[glacial light]

My perspective is time is valuable in HD2 and Spear could be a weapon that could be strong but only if you have time. Like on paper Quasar can fire more shots than RR/EATs in a minute but what makes it balanced is it's chargeup time which at higher difficulty it's hard to have like 3 seconds of not being shot which is why the EATs/RR is still used cause those can be fired nearly immediately in situations where Quasar would be really clunky.

[ionic holly]

And thats a fair perspective but
i wanna ask, why does the Spear HAVE to be better than the RR?

Why cant it be its own thing that some folk just dont use?

[glacial light]

I don't think any anything in HD2 should just be less good.

[ionic holly]

It can still headshot and instant kill BTs

its good, its just got its cost.

You dont like the cost, theres nothing wrong with that, no?

[hearty sleet]

I think the main benefit of the Recoilless is no time wasted on locking/finding a good spot for lock, and isn't affected by smoke/weather.

[ionic holly]

Yeah, and the spear has fire and forget primarily, and more damage on some of the biggest targets

[strange vine]

The spear has both more damage and more penetration than the other 3 AT weapons and is more consistent (assuming lock on works) at long ranges

It can 1 shot cannon turrets whereas others need 2 to vents or 3 from frontal armor

[tall stone]

EAT has a relatively low cooldown for a Hellpod, and gives you a couple of shots.

Recoiless can be reloaded.

[strange vine]

Spear has 8/7/6 AP whereas the other AT options have 6/6/6

[tall stone]

Quasar never runs out of ammo.

[strange vine]

And does 1000 damage while others deal 650

When we get even tougher enemies the extra 350 damage and penetration will likely start mattering more

Like (datamined) ||mutated bile titans||

[ionic holly]

Im thankful someone else sees my perspective a bit

[meager saffron]

i think my only problem with the spear is just that getting screwed by seemingly random factors is not fun or interesting

i've headshot enough chargers and titans with it to respect it as a strong option

[ionic holly]

Like said, i wont defend its lock on

but i will defend its power

[hearty sleet]

idk enough about how the AT options interact, but the free-fire factor should probably justify more damage (/AP power?) than the Spear, or something else to justify using over lock-n-go.

[ionic holly]

Thing is the spear just cant fire unless its locked, so it just
does more damage/ap

Its more time consuming but puts out bigger numbers

[tall stone]

Extra range and propensity to prioritize weakpoints. The lock on is the only real problem. It's like the flamethrower and DoT bugs: Without that issue, it slaps.

[ionic holly]

Mhm

and ive not had the spear be mean to me in weeks

Treating her just right

[tall stone]

Buuuut I'd still rather EAT/Laser Cannon. Just the weapons I prefer.

Laser Cannon just works well against most things when you know where to hit, and is a good all-rounder.

And also the answer to pretty much all heavies as well: Autocannon.

[ionic holly]

Nothing wrong with preferrin' other weapons
sorta the whole point of how arrowhead tries to balance the game

[hearty sleet]

I like the concept the SPEAR has, but I can easily see it getting unplesant in HD2's swarm situations.

[tall stone]

If you're willing to take the extra time, Autocannon will provide what you need.

[ionic holly]

Thats... sorta the point though

its a lock on weapon, you dont bring lock ons for swarms

swarms do not give you the time for a lock on, so you bring something else

[meager saffron]

by picking the SPEAR you declare yourself to be king shit of AT mountain

which is fine

[tall stone]

You got a team for the other things, ye

[ionic holly]

Yeah!

[meager saffron]

really the only heavy weapon I side-eye these days for balance reasons is the AC, specifically because it is such an all-rounder

the tac reload on that thing is crazy

[ionic holly]

Maybe but i also dont want to see it nerfed

[meager saffron]

but even then it has notable weakspots against BTs

so it's not egregious

[ionic holly]

Mhm

[tall stone]

The big thign about Autocannon is that it'll take longer to do the thing than the specialized tools.

[meager saffron]

far cry from the vanilla railgun

which had the same problem but 30x worse

[unreal merlin]

1.0 railgun, what a mess that one was

it's better now thankfully

[ionic holly]

Blegh, thats admittedly another big reason im cautious of the idea of overbuffing the spear

[hearty sleet]

Laser Cannon seems pretty wacky, but really counts on stun grenades on hard targets

[tall stone]

It can cover a lot of bases, but you'd be better off doing that thing with a specialty tool.

[tall stone]

Or distracting teammates.

[hearty sleet]

I think the main thing the SPEAR needs is less jank lock-on before other adjustments?

[meager saffron]

yeah

[ionic holly]

Yep yep

[meager saffron]

laser cannon also has hilarious usecases for bzooping various constructs

[ionic holly]

see how it performs when its consistent before pumping more into it

[meager saffron]

seeing teammates just sit in the back of the map beaming spore spewers is pretty funny

[tall stone]

God, I love the Laser cannon.

I've just been running Stalwart a lot.

Because Eruptor primary.

[ionic holly]

Ill admit its hard for me to bring any support weapon that isnt the spear

[tall stone]

And good lord, the Stalwart just whips.

Especially since I've been stuck in Bug Hell.

[ionic holly]

Nothing else feels right yknow?

[meager saffron]

yeah for sure

it's pretty easy to get attached to guns in hd2

[tall stone]

I'm on EATs, Laser Cannon, or Stalwart for mine. And I only bring EAT if I'm not doing Eruptor, for whatever reason.

[meager saffron]

arc thrower is my precious child but i'm not gonna blame anyone for seeing its reputation for collats and going 'nah'

plasma punisher is also a deeply weird weapon if you're not a demoman main

[tall stone]

I do like the arc thrower as my secondary for Eruptor in higher difficulties.

[hearty sleet]

I think Arc thrower still has a jank arcing point somewhere above the crosshairs?
Tesla cannon?

[supple siren]

The gotta fix that misfire bug and I'll love the Thrower

[tall stone]

Because with Arc and Eruptor, I can solo handle Hulks and Chargers pretty easily.

[ionic holly]

My "children" guns are likely the blitzer, SPEAR, and plasma punisher

[tall stone]

Eruptor, Laser Cannon, p19

[ionic holly]

I like my funky lil shotgun children

[tall stone]

Just...

[meager saffron]

yeah thrower needs to not uh

get LOS blocked by air

speaking of consistency fixes that would greatly 'buff' the gun

I really love that it's now a dedicated CC option

staggering hulks gives me great power

[tall stone]

Boy does it.

Like, there's only one weapon I consider bad, and that's because of SPEAR Lock On.

Grenade Launcher eats ammo, but god if it isn't satisfying.

[meager saffron]

POOMP POOMP POOMP

and then bug corpses go flying for miles around

I am also not a huge fan of the GL but I do love it on bug nest blitzes

[tall stone]

I'd love it for that if I didn't already have the Eruptor.

I will sometimes just not run a support weapon.

And rely on turrets.

And Eagle Cluster Bombs, of course.

[meager saffron]

eruptor is great for no power wep loadouts

interesting build-around

[tall stone]

I do love how it can change the primary assumptions of the game, yeah.

[glad orchid]

I need to figure out how to best use the eruptor

[tall stone]

Works wonders against mid-size targets and Heavy weakpoints, can take out spawners.

With a horde-solving weapon, it works quite well to do the things you'd usually use a Support Weapon for.

[supple siren]

Dive backward while shooting nearby bugs for optimal coolness

[glacial light]

My children is sickle, blitzer, eruptor, grenade pistols, and stun grenades

I'm debating on whether I want to use Eruptor or Scorcher for bots more

[meager saffron]

Eruptor really makes me Get machine gun users

[supple siren]

Feels like Scythe still doesn't have a niche Sickle also doesn't cover

[meager saffron]

I'm still not a huge fan but it rounds out the loadouts so unbelievably well

[tall stone]

Scythe with the upgrade melts mid-tiers easier.

[ionic holly]

Stun grenade my beloved

[tall stone]

And no recoil and a good range.

[stone bridge]

The Scythe demolishes weak points, apparently

Like if you shine it on a Berserker's head you melt it in a second flat

[glacial light]

It used to be in HD1 it's equivalent would deal more damage the higher heat it gets so it's like a risk rewards single enemy focus weapon

[tall stone]

If you're really lucky, you can stack damage in Hulk and Charger backsides.

[ionic holly]

I'll admit i'm a hard sell on beam weapons

i need a little kick to my gun

not damage wise just in general

[meager saffron]

the scythe also just has an annoying sight

[tall stone]

They're not for everyone, and they give substantially different feedback.

[ionic holly]

Mhm

[meager saffron]

hipfire scythe is shockingly accurate thouggh

[glacial light]

I would like laser cannon but I find it hard to first person aim cause of the sights and large laser effects makes it hard to see

[tall stone]

I just don't use laser cannon first person.

You can do well enough with 3rd person.

But this is probably due to me using the Eruptor as my precision weak point weapon.

[supple siren]

It could really use a new scope

[meager saffron]

get that bigass fuckin center dot out of the way

[unreal merlin]

Mmm railgun optic with the pepperoni slice dot

[ionic holly]

i want a gun that just has a middle finger as a sight

[tall stone]

Ah, the shotguns

[glacial light]

New iron sight for Senator

I'm bad at aiming in 3rd person cause I sit far from the monitor and everything is so small

[ionic holly]

I do a mix of both, depends on target range

[glacial light]

Not me in first person at the berserker who just stabbed me

Blitzer/flamethrower/spear are probably the only guns I don't use first person on

[ionic holly]

i don't even know what the blitzer's sights look like

[oblique storm]

Spear is my favorite AT

[ionic holly]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-together-smile-gif-20682410

[tall stone]

Also, 18.3k on Pandion and Hellmire right now. Bless their Hearts.

[honest acorn]

Oh huh I didn’t know it locked them, while we’re at it scout walkers too please haha

[ionic holly]

And brood commanders

[tall stone]

And of course we have people going "Why are there still people on the Bot front?" on the Helldiver's server. Anyone want to take a guess how many people are on the entirerty of the bot front?

Also, apparently people don't like it when you say that there's differences between dedicated Bot Divers and Bug Divers

Or the Bot Front and the Bug Front currently

[stone bridge]

I'll be real, I'm not 100% sure what you're expecting, Mourge

Video game discords are kinda Just Like That

[tall stone]

Yeah...

Too used to ttrpg discords.

[stone bridge]

I sympathize, but yeah, people on there are very rarely looking for intelligent conversation or to have their opinions challenged in a meaningful way

[tall stone]

Fair!

Just annoying when a mod directly calls you out to stop talking about that subject

When it feels like a worthwhile subject.

[stone bridge]

They're probably pretty on edge rn, but it does suck

[meager saffron]

honestly I just wouldn't be on there at all for my sanity

[tall stone]

Probably would be the best, ye

People didn't understand why I didn't like the Bug-focused MO because it made it so I can't actually contribute anything to the Bot Front.

Because hey, turns out one of the raddest things I like about Helldivers is that I can feel like I'm doing things to help the gamestate, no matter how small.

Except if the fronts get massively split up in attention.

[naive dragon]

My very loyal and definitely not an automaton sympathizer lookin fit

[strange vine]

sketching out the tank lady while im finishing up the hulk's backpack

[tired mulch]

👀

[glacial light]

What's that far right one, asking for a friend

[strange vine]

supposed to be the tank! will do annihilator and shredder variants

[sinful bay]

Really nice detail on the saw too!

[upbeat vector]

Does anyone know what the targeting for the orbital railcannon is?

[honest acorn]

Like its target priority?

[oblique storm]

Largest

[stone bridge]

It does a flash scan of the area around the point of impact, not sure how large it is, then targets whatever the heaviest unit in that area is

[wind arrow]

does it go heavy moving unit > structures > med moving unit > small moving unit?

[honest acorn]

I'm not sure how it prioritizes between gun turrets and tanks

Or rather hulks and gun turrets

It seems to kinda hate targeting turrets

[tall stone]

It's why I like the OPS for turrets. Yeet it on top of the turret, have fun.

[pure wave]

It can lock onto most, if not all structures

[strange vine]

[pure wave]

Congrats!

[unreal merlin]

Not real but it's a good edit

[stark ether]

the post bomb positive spike is higher than the post release positive spike

77k vs 46k

[unreal merlin]

Gahdamn

[ripe cloud]

they listened

[unreal merlin]

Good news, chefs: flamethrower DOT is fixed for non-hosts. Get out there and cook.

[stone bridge]

[gusty heron]

Yippee/wahoo, good lucking patch we got here

[hexed steeple]

hope this means the thermite grenades will be epic now

[stone bridge]

Apparently scope misalignment is also fixed?

Pog

[hexed steeple]

oh word

[graceful bluff]

Time to riot again because I'm used to the off zero scope /s

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> planing on diving at <t:1715079600:t> join us

[modest fiber]

neat

[quick plinth]

I shall see how much have they actually fixed the scopes when im home (I've been using a centredot for most of my gametime)

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> I'll be diving once the update is finished, should ppl wanna join

[modest fiber]

oh boy another update, i see, i see

[quartz cloak]

Mildly sad the Spear is still shagged, but everything else is brilliant news

[quick plinth]

ah damn

[quartz cloak]

The fire damage getting fixed is huge

But good lord, the Spear's targetting must be Really broken if it's still under works

[alpine seal]

i've heard the spear is already done but needs to be pushed with the warbond update due to being such a major change

though that's discord hearsay

[cobalt patrol]

Not herseay, it's directy from one of the devs themselves

[cobalt patrol]

It's 90% done, it was meant to be in the last patch, but QA found more issues, and it's too signifanct a fix to push in a hotfix update

[stone bridge]

Toaster we have a moratorium on using warcrimes as a humourous term

Please delete that

[stone bridge]

@modest fiber

[modest fiber]

aw sucks

[cobalt patrol]

That is the worst possible reply.

[stone bridge]

These things happen in real life dude, it's a sensitive topic that people throw around far too lightly

[junior badge]

I look forward to trying out the fixed sights.

And I hope I'll get to see more gas and napalm strikes in the future.

Ohh and the thermite nades! Wonder if those are gonna be good, although I suspect their damage is still gonna be too low.

[modest fiber]

the thermite grenades are gonna be (maybe) wack :3 never really used the sights my self (except looking for reload animations) but its gonna be good for people who does use em, also the stim fix is gonna be great.. it was annoying for sure

[junior badge]

Oh, yeah, that's a good one too.

[quick plinth]

does the incendiary grenade kill holes / fabs?

[burnt vapor]

Yes

[cobalt patrol]

I wish smoke grenades did ;.;

if you throw them into fabs they explode

...and some smoke puffs out the front door

it is very embarssing

[stone bridge]

Gas is back in a big way now

[cobalt patrol]

GGas being fixed is very nice, opens up more loadouts

[stone bridge]

28 kills from one bug breach just from a gas strike

[cobalt patrol]

also @shy prairie suggestion - if you're running Arc thrower, bring a drone buddy.

ARc thrower's many weakness is getting overwhelmed by the little doods, and a laser drone sorts that really fast. You're far enough back you dont really need the defence of the shield, esp with the stagger from arc thrower

[shy prairie]

I bring a breaker for that

the shield was from someone else, and i didn't bring my own backpack

drone is def good syngergy for that, for sure

but like, i dont like getting las'd

[stone bridge]

Droney ff's the wielder super rarely, ime

I've died to direct fire from it...once ever?

I know it's annoying but it's ultimately not a big deal

[burnt vapor]

Mileage may vary I haven’t brought the drone very often but have been ff by it several times

Multiple times in the same mission even

[modest fiber]

smoke grenades not destroying things does make sense, it is smoke.. speaking of smoke has anyone used them? so far i only know it makes bots hitting you harder

[shy prairie]

yeah agree, but i do also have like, a personal aesthetic bias against it (the drone backpacks)

[unreal merlin]

I didn't even consider orbital gas this ENTIRE TIME being affected by the dot bug

Cool to see that it works

[stone bridge]

Yeah I cottoned on to it when they said "damage over time" rather than "fire"

and I was like "okay so thats why gas has been performing so badly"

use it in a mission and get an instant 28 kill streak from nothing but the gas

we're so back

[shy prairie]

yeah i remember back pre-patch seeing scavengers just walk out of the cloud, sad times

[cobalt patrol]

So the thing to know with that is hwo to manipulate drone's postioning. He always sits in teh same place relative to your camera.

You can use this to control where it shoots pretty accurately

[shy prairie]

yeah i'm like vaguely aware of that mechanic

[cobalt patrol]

In total fairness, its' a lot of effort and if that's nto your jam

valid

[shy prairie]

thanks for the tips anyways

[quick plinth]

aligned AMR sight??

this was taken while prone (so no sway whatsoever)

[daring monolith]

Maybe they aligned the bullet with the sight not the other way around?

[glacial light]

Woo! Time to try the AMR since Eruptor was nerfed

I definitely felt the Eruptor nerf when I tried it yesterday, struggled hard against hive guard without the shrapnel

[stone bridge]

The shrapnel did basically nothing

This is actually a buff

[tall stone]

They removed the insta death shrapnel chance and replaced it with a better damage type, yeah

The sound when stimming no longer plays while being interrupted.

Yessss

[glacial light]

The AoE on the Eruptor seems weaker than it used to be, I used to consistently wipe out 3 bots by shooting the middle one on a bot drop and now the outer bots just survive it

I haven't played today's patch so hopefully its a big enough buff

[stone bridge]

They nerfed how fast it falls off yeah

[glacial light]

DoT and scope fix seem huge though

[stone bridge]

The additional damage should bring it back up some

[glacial light]

Oh I hope gas orbital is good again

[stone bridge]

It's back in a big way

[supple siren]

Napalm Strike might be wild with the 25% boost

[glacial light]

Napalm is great when I go solo, because eliminates all the light bugs from a breach

[supple siren]

And now they'll function for a whole time.. so much uptime

[tall stone]

As long as the eruptor still two taps mid tier enemies, it'll be good

The biggest consistent information I'm seeing so far is that it takes two shots to headshot bile spewers with it now.

[glacial light]

Eruptor can kill BT that quickly? A primary? Wild

[daring monolith]

Spewers, not titans

[tall stone]

It can pop the squishy back of a bile Titan in 3 or 4 shots though.

[glacial light]

Ah

[tall stone]

OK, I am now seeing that Arrowhead bugged eruptor damage lol.

That explains the wildly inconsistent test results people are getting.

[naive dragon]

When does the new warbond drop again

[unkempt river]

Sometime in 2-3 days from now

[tall stone]

Tomorrow.

Wait, it's tuesday

Thursday.

[kindred lintel]

wait so is fire damage and gas strike fixed now for non hosts?

[dusty spruce]

patches notes do say that they've fixed the 'silly joiner, DoT is for hosts' bug.

[glacial light]

Lol that quote

[unreal merlin]

yeah gas and fire work correctly for everyone, meaning taking orbital gas is actually a real choice to absolutely smother patrols and breaches

[keen zinc]

napalm back on the menu

[daring monolith]

Incendiary breaker enjoyers eating good

[glacial light]

RIP incendiary breaker was my main solo for bugs but I couldn't use it in teams so I switched to blitzer and now blitzer pilled when the incendiary breaker gets good in teams

Excited for orbital gas, CD is so quick

[daring monolith]

Gas was my go to for dropping on a bug hole to kill the small ones. It will be again probably if I stop being addicted to clusters

[ionic holly]

I still want a gas eagle

Shorter duration, longer coverage

[glacial light]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/a9u0bxT7OL

RIP Eruptor buff is bugged

[pure wave]

We got incendiary mines
I want gas mines

[modest fiber]

sounds like a reasonable progression, still personally waiting for them AV mines

[pure wave]

AV mines would be neat

I want more stationary manned weapons ngl

In the first HD

There was this sick Anti-Tank deployable that you hopped in

And it liquidated most armored targets in two shogs

[modest fiber]

i like what you are saying and am all in

[pure wave]

I wish the Mechs had ejector seats ngl
It'd be funny to just run up, and eject yourself in front of a bile titan so you can dunk an impact in its face

[blissful sparrow]

i'd be already content with a self destruct you can set, evne if you have to climb out and run away

i want the mech to be ammo when it runs out of ammo

[upbeat vector]

I miss my fully upgraded RR from the first game...

[quick crown]

I wish my corpse had the same level of physics as skreechers

[lunar pendant]

"AYO LOOK ME IN THE EYE WHEN YOU TALK SHIT"

[pure wave]

The bug grub watching me eject from my walker to personally deliver it a gift (it's a high explosive grenade)

[lunar pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-verdict-day-acvd-large-missile-acv-gif-1968581687275285401

[strange vine]

there was like 1 time where my mech was destroyed but my helldiver managed to climb out of it uninjured

i have no idea how that happpened

[azure pewter]

Heavier armor helps, or a personal bubble but it’s a bit less reliable on that front cause it can be popped from outside the mech

[glacial light]

I think it's funny if you have shield pack it pops out of your mech

Advanced Super Earth engineering

[pure wave]

Little bit of extra protection

[keen zinc]

https://youtu.be/0Fju9o8BVJ8?si=tbwHqyL7pwqM6arz

I hear the AMR is fix

[strange vine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cmg8nu/damage_is_still_not_what_you_think_how_explosive/

TL;DR weapons have both "normal damage" and "durable damage", and likewise enemy body parts have a percentage of their health as "durable"

For example, a Brood Commander's head is 60% durable and 40% normal. Liberator has 65/6 normal/durable damage, meaning its attack against the BC's head is (60 * 40 + 5 * 60) / 100 = 27, however armor reduces the damage by 50%, meaning it's 13.5. Liberator Penetrator on the other hand has 45/10 normal/durable and can penetrate armor, meaning it can deal the full (45 * 50 + 10 * 50) / 100 = 30 damage to a BC's head

most explosive weapons such as the AC or AT weapons have durable damage equal to their normal damage, meaning they deal full damage no matter what percentage of their target's body part is durable

For Dominator this is 90, which is about 33% of full damage. The answer to "Is Dominator doing explosive damage?" can be concluded with "yesn't". Glad I could clear it up and prevent any future debates on that one.

[tall stone]

Ah, so the Eruptor is definitely bugged.

[glacial light]

Sadge

[sweet surge]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNAG27CXkAAAn3f?format=jpg&name=900x900

Spitz is no longer a CM

[glacial light]

Is CM a paid role or a volunteer one

[sweet surge]

Volunteer
edit. I don't know

[naive dragon]

Probably in his best interest really, folks be a certain kinda way to the CMs over there

[glacial light]

Opinions on Spitz's take aside, probably what did it was him telling people to review bomb the game, Sony was probably not happy about that.

[daring monolith]

Yeah he said he got a talking to but was still in his role yesterday. Probably either stepped down or got booted today

[lunar pendant]

was on earlier, he was still CM ~5 hours ago

[sweet surge]

He said as much on discord

[glacial light]

Ah yup that's probably what the talk was about

[lunar pendant]

shoutout to the mod "Eagle-1", they a homie :)

[sinful bay]

noice

[idle hollow]

i feel sorry for arrowhead and their choice of engine

it's what, 6 years without maintenance?

because it was discontinued in 2018?

every time they change something it has a decent odd of breaking

and every time they fix something it has a decent odd of breaking in a different way

[glacial light]

I mean the game was in develop 7 years ago? Before it was discontinued but yes extremely unfortunate they can really change it without basically recreating the game

[strange vine]

yeah also the whole institutional knowledge they have of the engine

[strange vine]

hulk scorcher done!

[unreal merlin]

If anyone hasn't tried it yet, the Breaker Incendiary is exceptional against bugs now thanks to the fire DOT fix.

You don't even have to pretend to be accurate, just spray flaming tinsel at long range (for a shotgun) and it'll ignite scavengers and hunters, and everything else will take burning damage too.

[hot meadow]

Well, I hope that this person finds peace. That job is stressful to begin with and they didn’t seem to enjoy it.

[heady halo]

THEY FIXED THE DOT???

fuck yeahhh

a good first mission back

i got two bile titans with the grenade pistol

i love this thing

pop their bellies then its time for the eagle-squaredance

[unreal merlin]

Yeah both fire and ORBITAL GAS STRIKE

[heady halo]

[unreal merlin]

Orbital Gas was something I completely forgot about and nobody ever even mentioned that "oh yeah this is probably suffering from the DOT bug too". Now it is an awesome low cooldown crowd suppressor

Throw it directly on a bug breach and it instantly kills anything warrior sized or smaller

[hot meadow]

Maybe it replaces cluster bomb for me somtimes now

[unreal merlin]

Choke points are great too obviously

[hot meadow]

Hmm

[unreal merlin]

It's a much longer lasting and sneaky hazard than cluster

It can be hard to tell where the edge is and it will kill you very fast if you wander into it

[hot meadow]

Dang, I was hoping it would be safer lol

[honest acorn]

Gas was great pre-bug I'm glad its back

[glacial light]

Cluster is great but 5 clusters? If you're dropping 5 clusters in rapid succession before your other eagles run out then what's happening in your game

[honest acorn]

I'm mashing the cluster bombs button

[hexed steeple]

has anyone tried out the thermite grenade with the dot fix yet

[kindred lintel]

rumors say its great

[strange vine]

Its functional but still undertuned imo

It can kill hulk/tank with 2 grenades but it takes like 4 to kill a charger

[glacial light]

Big if true on the bot front

[pure wave]

Does it crack bug armor tho?

Cause if so
Slap on leg

[hazy oriole]

I've been seeing a lot of people being mad about the eruptor in its current state, any other eruptor users here able to confirm? I won't be able to check myself till the weekend

[daring monolith]

It got ‘buffed’ but it’s not working as intended and is very inconsistent rn

[stone bridge]

yeah its bugged

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to show some bug scum why they can Never Destroy Our Way of Life!

[tall stone]

Eruptor is bugged.

[cobalt patrol]

Cyan just has a "cluster bomb the missbehaving discord" button, it's why his clusters get used so much

[honest acorn]

I basically use them like Spicy Grenades since you get 5

[ionic holly]

This is the correct way

just make sure to not grenade your allies

[tall stone]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[oblique storm]

I bring the extra reinforcement budget for a reason

[quick plinth]

unfortunately 4 more reinforcements on top of 20 w/ a full squad isnt as good as some of the other boosters

and im not sure what they could do to make said, extremely specific situation boosters better than the ones that are just active all the time

[oblique storm]

It gives me a funny little jokester leeway

I only need 1 extra reinforcement that I can waste on being a funny little man

[quick plinth]

fair

[short rune]

What have they done to the Eruptor?!

[stone bridge]

its just bugged

thats all

[short rune]

So it's not an intended change?

[honest acorn]

There is an intended change but it’s bugged

[short rune]

Huh?

[stone bridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/a9u0bxT7OL

[short rune]

Hmm

[stone bridge]

I mean this is pretty clear to me

[winged hearth]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone want to play?

[cobalt patrol]

Roll the stamina and health boosters into the ship upgrades system, honestly

[honest acorn]

I think the health booster is relatively easy to do without but the stamina is hard to leave

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, I'm not sure why people are having trouble with this.

Removing the shrapnel was intended.

The damage was buffed to compensate.

Somewhere between their internal environment and the live environment, there appears to be an issue resulting in a dramatic loss of damage from the Eruptor.

I say appears because Reddit is being absolutely insane in its takes, and I simply no longer trust data coming out of there unless it's backed up with really good research

[cobalt patrol]

If you're playing an aggressive, up front play style into bugs or similar, health booster vs not is a huge difference

My deaths spike dramatically if we don't bring health booster

[honest acorn]

I’d prefer it if you didn’t assume how I play the game

[cobalt patrol]

I apologize, I really wasn't trying to - I was trying to purely day from my perspective and play style, I immediately notice not having health booster

It was meant to be a general you, not a specific

[honest acorn]

I find that it doesn’t cross a lot of one shot breakpoints so I don’t see much of a difference. It gives more grace for using stimms but now that helmets work I find less worry there

I think stuff like muscle aug and such are more competitive on a lot of planets

[glacial light]

I usually take vitality booster if i'm playing with randos or friends who don't play as much as me. I also like it in general cause I wear medic armor and having some more HP means you'll be less likely to be caught off guard and be able to stim

[honest acorn]

It felt a lot more important when hunters could randomly hit for 35% haha

[glad orchid]

Wait helmets do what now?

[cobalt patrol]

It's not one shot break points I care about - it's the grace period for stims due to rapid multiple hits

Given I'm always on the front lines into bugs with the Flamethrower, chip damage is a big issue

[glacial light]

Now that I run supply pack and medic armor i'm like invincible unless I get one shit or effectively one shot by spewers, hulks, or being knocked down and swarmed

[cobalt patrol]

And the extra 20% buffer is huge

[honest acorn]

Previously helmets didn’t add protection so all headshots were vs 0 armor

Which was the source of the “random crits”

[glacial light]

Do headshots still do extra damage, just 35% less for heavy armor

Or rather amor with value of 150 armor

[shy prairie]

Pretty funny death I had recently: diving backwards while throwing an impact grenade. Pretty sure it clipped into the rock I bumped into mid/immediately-post throw animation and exploded.

[glacial light]

I had a painful lifesaving event, I was running bugs with a shield pack and got charged by charger and knocked into the air away from an eagle airstrike I didn't see which would have killed me and as I was standing up a bile titan was rearing back to spit on me while a stalker did it's melee combat yeeted me cause my shields were down on the last hit away from the bile titan into a mushroom which I almost landed in one of those explosive holes.

I'm pretty sure I used up all my luck for the next 3 ops

[honest acorn]

That’s hilarious

[blissful sparrow]

i think i've seen that cartoon before

Tom and Jerry or something like that

[glacial light]

Me trying to extract adn running into a cardboard cutout of pelican one and dying to impact.

[modest fiber]

gyat damng nice work

<@&1206091872716595200> to celebrate the DoT being fixed am going to start to BBQ some bugs, anyone who wants is welcome to enjoy with me ^-^

[unreal merlin]

Remember to aim for the forelegs on chargers with the fire, not the head or body. Kills them MUCH faster.

[trail nymph]

Wait you’re supposed to aim with the flamethrower? /J

[modest fiber]

yes, i just point at their general direction

[quartz cloak]

So, now that the DOT is un-shagged, is the thermite grenade useable now?

[unreal merlin]

Comments above say it works but is undertuned, with 2 for hulks/tanks and 4 for chargers. Location that it latches onto may be a factor.

Granted, 2 grenades to kill a hulk or tank is pretty good but also on par with impact grenades on the vents so idk how "undertuned" it really is

[modest fiber]

2 grenades per hulk? well i take that deal.. tho is it to the back or the front?

[shy prairie]

2-3 thermite to the hulk's leg apparently kills, haven't done it myself

[unreal merlin]

Not appealing to me anyway. I'm on team stun grenade.

[modest fiber]

and then don't forget to stun grenade the team :3

[unreal merlin]

Have thrown stuns at allies before, but only because they're literally swamped in hunters and stunning the whole crowd lets them actually waddle away

[blissful sparrow]

i love throwing orbital EMS at allies and then watch them crawl out unharmed

and then hit them with a cluster strike while they can't run away

[tired mulch]

wait, if I may ask, what happened to that Spitz guy?

[cobalt patrol]

Appears to have been fired as a CM. From his comments, there were consquences for him suggesting the review bomb the game

He was also fairly contenious as a CM

[tired mulch]

iirc he had no real experience being a CM

at least before HD2

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> Patch out, crash fixes. no sign of warbond yet

[unreal merlin]

He was promoted to customer.

[modest fiber]

wasen't it coming on thursday?

[unreal merlin]

Warbonds are Thursdays, yeah

[cobalt patrol]

I coulda sworn it was out tonight, and had come out previous things, but i might be a bit brain fried

[unkempt river]

Yeah, 24hrs off

[trail nymph]

Warbond releases tomorrow around 11am -12pm GMT +0

[cobalt patrol]

One ops, 2 bile titans. Nice.

[supple aurora]

i have opinions

[burnt vapor]

On that list or is that list your opinions?

[sinful bay]

Do you have twitter? :3c

[shy prairie]

By and large, pretty standard opinions i think. Or not very far from like, general baseline

[unreal merlin]

I concur more or less.

On a whim I switched to using the Liberator for a few missions yesterday and was surprised at how well it performed, even though I knew factually it was good. I just had been using other guns so long that I'd forgotten the simple effectiveness of a 45 round mag tap firing all the scavengers and warriors.

[cobalt patrol]

I'd be inclined to bump scorcher a little, but other than that, yeah, it's a fair call on all of those i think

and i like that you've framed it as verstaility.

[supple aurora]

i have been informed on other places too about it

pretend scorcher is in "great everywhere"

[blissful sparrow]

i have been getting some use out of the breaker again recently vs bugs, its still a nice aim and pray weapon. Just need to be a bit concious regarding magazine economy

[cobalt patrol]

Scorcher into bugs is very much a "how safe do you play" type issue, i think

like it's a real bad pick if you're a flamethrower main like me

[supple aurora]

(and me)

[cobalt patrol]

and it's a bad pick if you want to save teamates

Buuuuut it's nasty overall and just flattens stuff

[supple aurora]

breaker i see as more of a bot weapon

[cobalt patrol]

I'm very much a Dominator stan into bugs right now, and Scorcher into bots

[burnt vapor]

Dominator being next to sickle for being super versatile feels odd to me

[quick crown]

Senator is great vs bugs

[supple aurora]

because its spread is tight enough to oneshot dev heads

devastator

not arrowhead

to be clear

[cobalt patrol]

Scorcher into bots is 110% for one reason: yuou can still 3 tap striders with it.

and given how comon striders are and how lethal their headshots are

being able to go PLING PLING PLING YA DEAD

Very nice

[supple aurora]

counter sniper is also really good vs bots now that its been buffed

[quick crown]

Especially how reliable it is to oneshot even the hive gaurd with the senator it feels very good as a sidearm and even better with the speedloader buff

[cobalt patrol]

(compare autocannon needing 2 hits to the crotch to take down striders rn)

I cannot belive this fucking game has me telling people "Shoot things in the crotch with the explosive munitons"

but here we are.

[supple aurora]

it is what it is

[quick crown]

Also you can spin the gun

[supple aurora]

i was tempted to make an overrated teir

and chuck impacts in there

i think impact nades teach new players bad lessons

and they end up reliant on what is effectively a panic button

the number of times i see people chain throw 2+ impacts at charger heads is worrying

[tall stone]

Eruptor will probably go back up when the bug gets fixed

[supple aurora]

eruptor will probably end up in the middle

once it gets fixed

[cobalt patrol]

It's interesting with impacts because you can absoloutey kill chargers with a pair of them

[supple aurora]

currently i just treat it as a utility tool

[cobalt patrol]

...but you have to throw them under the charger.

[tall stone]

It's been fun to go back to a normal primary while Eruptor gets fixed

[supple aurora]

so eruptor has "niche utility gun" atm as its a long range bug hole/factory breaker to me

I do not think eruptor should go back to demolishing heavies like it used to though

assuming people aren't just lying about it having been able to oneshot charger/titan butts if lined up right

[tall stone]

Breaker Incendiary is nice, but it's going to get toned down

[tall stone]

110 percent lying

[supple aurora]

burn in general will probably get nerfed since it got over buffed while bugged

[tall stone]

The eruptor would usually one-tap medium enemies

But not always

[cobalt patrol]

It's been insanely strong if yopu're host for a long time now

I'm a flamethrower main and i've directly said 'Yo, this is probably too strong" at the devs

becvause it's such a "Solve all things bug" button at the moment

your weaknes is... Bile Titans!

[supple aurora]

ok just looked into it

[cobalt patrol]

Oh no.

[supple aurora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKVdhjxzXa4

[cobalt patrol]

anyway.

[supple aurora]

the hell is this

[blissful sparrow]

7.5 points i'd say

impressive headstand from that charger

[supple aurora]

lol

[tall stone]

Ok, I see what's happening. It's getting the leg and bypassing the non-durable DR

That's a function of the explosive damage

[cobalt patrol]

It's not just that - there's a bunch of stuff that was happening with shoot the ground underneath

charger explodes

I need to go check out the explosive crossbow again post it's tweaks

rumor mill is it's actually quite good now

[tall stone]

But yeah, something fucky is going on with Eruptor in that video. 100% not the norm

[supple aurora]

shrapnel i say

getting lots of hits

[tall stone]

Probably

[quick crown]

One of my friends wasnt liking the changes to Crossbow apparently its a bit wacky now

i wouldn't know how I stick to my shotguns

[cobalt patrol]

Well, i'mma do a bug seven

help liberate angels venture

and we'll find out

[supple aurora]

https://youtu.be/S2V4UeB0D-o?si=jsW-7omogZ7O4kJu&t=284

[quick crown]

Godspeed soldier

Everyone is counting on you, Don't let us down

[supple aurora]

starts on chargers at 4:44

[cobalt patrol]

Look if the explosive crossbow backfires on me

it'll be really funny

(Dominator is my current bug goto)

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> who wants to try out the patch ( and grind some super credits) before the update?

[unreal merlin]

I kinda don't like the changed crossbow either, but there IS a reason it's underwhelming right now: it has no armor pen when it is supposed to have medium armor pn.

I enjoyed using it as a pseudo, accurate impact grenade of sorts to easily clear light enemies (scavs/hunters/raiders) but the reduced blast radius makes that impractical now.

Theoretically, 420 damage with medium armor penetration would let it dunk on things like devastators and medium bugs

[supple siren]

The Eruptor and Crossbow are awkwardly competing for space because of that bug

[tall stone]

Ah, that good ole Helldiver's spaghetti code.

[unreal merlin]

When the medium pen gets fixed I'll likely go back to using crossbow, but currently it just doesn't do enough direct target damage or AOE damage to be worth it compared to other guns.

[glacial light]

Even better it's expired spaghetti cause the engine is discontinued years ago

[quick plinth]

so the likelihood of them actually improving performance is low.

[tall stone]

They've shown that they try to fix issues, so I'm willing to be patient. Not like I don't have other guns to use.

[supple siren]

I feel like I'm having the opposite issue from usual, I get choppy in so many games but Helldive runs like a dream

[unreal merlin]

I like the transparency of known issues at the end of patch notes. That does a lot to show that they're actually aware of what's a problem in the game.

[supple siren]

I cannot fathom how a game with this many interactions happening at once runs like this

[quick plinth]

like the chances of them adding an FSR version from this decade

[glacial light]

Considering all the random details they simulate it's quite smooth. Details like seeing eagle one fly by and having stratagems come from eagle or super destroyer, partially filled magazines with ammo visible, snow kicked up from AT weapons, etc

[tall stone]

Hellpod covers being interactable with by bullets

[glacial light]

Explain that one

Interactable?

[tall stone]

It can block your shots. Notably, it very rarely comes up with EATs.

[glacial light]

Oh right

[unreal merlin]

There's a clip where someone calls down an EAT, the pod lid flies off and they immediately grab a launcher and fire - right as the flipping lid falls in front of them.

[glacial light]

Yea those are funny

[blissful sparrow]

i've killed myself before from a bug leg flying in my face from a victim of my first autocannon shot, killing myself from the splash of the second shot

[tall stone]

Bug parts flying has indeed killed me with the eruptor.

[cobalt patrol]

I'm using it right now and it's... actually quite good?

Like the projectile speed increase is huge

Damage is pretty damn shiny when it goes through

[quick crown]

Has anyone had preformance issues on the last patch? I crashed for the first time and had some gnarly slowdowns yesterday when i've never had em as bad

[cobalt patrol]

They did just patch today a few hours back to tackle some issues

[unreal merlin]

Yeah don't get me wrong it does work fine, it just feels to me like it's not doing what it should vs beefier targets. With only 5 bolts per magazine and sometimes taking 3-5 to kill medium enemies with weakpoint hits, while also lacking the crowd-clear it used to have, it falls below what I want from it.

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, it does feel pretty ammo constrained in not good ways

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> room for two more

[cobalt patrol]

Anmyway, today c hat, i double killed Bile titans with a single orbital precision strike

get absoloteuly dunked on

Turns out is the OPS hits their leg? that's a kill too.

[glacial light]

I need to get good at timing and aiming strats again, I used to be a beast with 500kg before I realized that OPS was just as goated and stun grenades came out

I went through a railcannon phase and forgot everything

[unreal merlin]

OPS is good stuff. A real disk one nuke option.

[glacial light]

Me biggest weakness is BT since they can't be stunned

And teammates usually pop the sack if they haven't killed it so no sitting around spewing for OPS to hit

[quick plinth]

OPS, OLS, 500kg, (Blue usually AC)

is the bogstandard loadout for me