junior badge
It won't: PSN crossplay was always advertised and meant to be a core part of the experience, and thus was actually required. That they temporarily turned it off doesn't change that.
I don't know any EU court that is so aggressively pro-consumer that some variant on this argument won't fly.
heady halo
like functionally sony is banning everyone in africa other than south africa on july 4th lmao
and everyone in the philippines
glacial light
HD2 has gone down a steam review level to Very Positive
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cj6j5p/since_the_news_broke_891_of_reviews_have_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
heady halo
they arent actually "regionlocking", which maters legally, but in terms of function, they wont be able to play without violating the requirements to play, which is going to make people angry
glacial light
It won't: PSN crossplay was always advertised and meant to be a core part of the...
Probably, they'll probably just refund affected countries.
junior badge
agreed, ingle. I really hope that Sony goes with the desired outcome, but they've never been known for their good judgement 😦
heady halo
but the more stink that is made over this kind of thing every time it happens, the more impetus there is for it to be handled at least slightly differently in future
pure wave
HD2 has gone down a steam review level to Very Positive
https://www.rxddit.com/r...
"oh it can't be that bad- GOODNESS GRACIOUS" WindowShatter.sfx
glacial light
Subreddit is basically unusable again but this time it's not patch related. That's the last thing i'll post cause it's only thing remotely funny in that subreddit at the moment.
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cj3mzn/this_should_bode_over_well/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
heady halo
sony varies wildly as a corporate entity, most decisions are not made by individual people for specific reasons, but as a result of systems level impetus for desired general patterns of practice
right now we have no way of knowing if this was internally intentional as a way to pad sony accounts like xbox did with renaming its subscription services recently, or an actual accident that slipped through the cracks in some way
the greatest hopes are that this could lose money from refunds and prevent income by banning existing players, and civil action in certain countries where that is an option
sony does like money and its entirely possible corporate feeling could shift to "hey why arent we letting people give us money. i like money"
i dont see psn being walked back as a requirement in countries where it is available, in any situation
junior badge
Yeah, that kind of stance is the best likely outcome, imo.
pastel igloo
turns out i already have a psn account so that's something i guess
doesn't seem like i particularly gave them any details either
pastel igloo
😱
muted burrow
honestly when i started playing i thought the ps stuff was mandatory lol, probably didn't look too hard at the menus to skip it
But I had just reset my ps account password for bloodborne so I just linked that
hexed steeple
oh i already di the ps stuff apparently cause nothing happened when i logged on
heady halo
I already have an account from having a ps4, but my problem isnt being made to use an account or log into a thing, its banning 2/3 of the worlds population from countries that dont have psn, after giving them a month to play and letting them spend their money, and wait out the steam easy refund timer.
solidarity etc
hexed steeple
yyea it's goofy
strange vine
honest acorn
That’s good
heady halo
that is good!
pastel igloo
good to hear
dusty spruce
Yeah, hopefully a better workaround is made than 'please technically violate TOS'
graceful bluff
Considering how often sony gets security breaches, yeah I hope it's getting fixed
sinful bay
so, now i need to have a PSN account to play or i can bypass that without losing progress?
muted burrow
I already have an account from having a ps4, but my problem isnt being made to u...
gotcha
sinful bay
Sony got a quick buck and fucked a company them.
heady halo
so, now i need to have a PSN account to play or i can bypass that without losing...
as far as i understand you have until july 4th to make an account, you will not lose progress, but you will be locked out after july 4th
unless you are in one of many countries including most of africa, the baltics and the phillipines where psn does not operate, where you will have to do a more complicated process to break the location lcoking and get an account
pastel igloo
yeah this is really not a great situation for Arrowhead
pure wave
I understand Sony has some sort of standard to hold with that
But it's really not that great for the longevity of the game, as this seems like it's going to prune a lot of people from the playerbase.
sinful bay
from needing to make a PSN account alone people will just refuse to try it out
That's a huge shame
honest acorn
I mean, making a PSN account isn't exactly a big deal unless you're in a country which doesn't support it
It's like 1-2 minutes of effort
copper crest
A lot of people are skittish about the required personal info after Sony has had multiple data breaches
sinful bay
Yeeeeah exactly that
So the consensus is
not do the sony account and let the game die a bit so they can take it back?
pure wave
Well, reviews on steam are getting tapped at
copper crest
Pilestedt also posted this and following the link to Playstation site gives a FAQ that contradicts the Steam article
https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1786417563628437933
Twitter
strange vine
A lot of people are skittish about the *required personal info* after Sony has h...
is it the signing up part or the account linking part? i made one last night and i didnt need to put in any like personal stuff
sinful bay
It's like 1-2 minutes of effort
honest acorn
A lot of people are skittish about the *required personal info* after Sony has h...
Sony doesn't have a worse-than-industry track record here and PSN hasn't been breached since from what I can tell 2011
(There's been other data breaches since but they were either employees or internal data not PSN stuff)
sinful bay
It's the principle of the thing + a precedent that may follow if we just bow our heads and do what Sony says
honest acorn
There's no particular switcheroo that's been their from the start
copper crest
(There's been other data breaches since but they were either employees or intern...
There was also a white hat breach (ie data wasn't publicized) of PSN account info in 2017
graceful bluff
Sony doesn't have a worse-than-industry track record here and PSN hasn't been br...
Literally october of last year
honest acorn
I think there's a much stronger argument for people who were able to purchase and play the game from outside of the PSN area since that's more of a reversal and they could run out refund windows
honest acorn
Literally october of last year
Haha, that's what I get for using an older summary
wait no
That's what I get for listening to you
sour whale
People are just adverse to having to create new accounts in general, especially if it’s only for one thing or a service they wouldn’t use much otherwise. I know I certainly get weary when I have to
honest acorn
This isn't the PSN
graceful bluff
Hell, if we pull it back from specific data breaches to security breaches in general, there were several breaches in 2023
sinful bay
This isn't the PSN
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/classroom/daily-videos/2023/08/hackers-steal-sony-playstation-players-personal-data ok have this V:
strange vine
microsoft themselves have had 20 data breaches since 2011 right?
unfortunately no big company has good history with data breaches
sinful bay
and as I said
Is the principle of the thing
honest acorn
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/classroom/daily-videos/2023/08/hackers-steal-sony-p...
Not recent
sinful bay
also, why now
Why they changed that now
honest acorn
microsoft themselves have had 20 data breaches since 2011 right?
Yeah data breaches are common
honest acorn
Not recent
I think this is actually the 2011 breach, but its hard to say since the archive isn't dated
But it references something Obama said in 2009
sour whale
I don’t think it was something they changed now. But they certainly didn’t advertise the fact that it would be a thing very well
sinful bay
But it references something Obama said in 2009
Fair
strange vine
I think this is actually the 2011 breach, but its hard to say since the archive ...
according to the url it's dated august 2023?
but who knows
sinful bay
yeahg that's why I linked
honest acorn
Yeah the ideal would have been for it to not be skippable from the start
strange vine
given the classroom quizzing stuff
honest acorn
Yeah PBS uses old footage as educational prompts
honest acorn
I do think it really bites for people who were able to get the game but for only like 5 months because of the weird delay though
strange vine
yeah
its also so fucking weird/stupid sony let people in places without PSN access the ability to buy it
but given sony also sells playstations in those regions
honest acorn
Getting that exempted would be good imo since its sort of scummy to be like "here's our super broad release for the honeymoon window of the game where it makes a lot of money" and then several months later as it ends being like "for security reasons you can fuck off"
sinful bay
Hopefully they give up on that after the backlack
Still need to make the backlash even bigger now
honest acorn
Yeah I agree there, if only for those people
There should be a big backlash but also I don't think like people in the US who can just make a throwaway PSN are really meaningfully harmed (but should make a stink about it anyway on behalf of people who are)
tall stone
Yeah, the folks in countries with access to PSN are fine. It's not even that much more of a data concern compared to, I dunno, installing a DRM anti-cheat into your computer.
runic cairn
<@&1206091872716595200> wanna play
sinful bay
Yeah, it's not fun when you are shooting one in the face, they lick you and you go flying
runic cairn
As long as I can do bots.
same tbh\
heady halo
There should be a big backlash but also I don't think like people in the US who ...
in the us you dont really need to be meaninfuly harmed to have accsess to legal recourse at least, which hopefully could give weight to the backlash for the benifit of the people who cant get a psn
runic cairn
lol it gud
pure wave
Looking at the state of the war right now;
We're probably beating this major order
tall stone
Pretty certain atm
pure wave
Hoping they send us to Meridia after we beat this one
strange vine
i think the major patch is coming on monday
so thats when theyll have the meridia order
hopefully
pure wave
Ehehehe
Bug super-hive, here I come.
Can't wait to get properly swarmed
Also, unpopular opinion I think
I wish there were flying patrols
That, or bug breaches/flares got reinforcements from special structures on the map
strange vine
oh yeah those would be fun imo
make them a op modifier
50% chance for patrols to be gunships/shriekers
pure wave
make them a op modifier
"Flying Enemy Abundance"
Ngl, I kind of want a "Heavy" flying enemy
Slow moving, shoots heavy rounds, a bit armored
Like, bugs get an airborne Bile enemy
A bile bomber if you will
azure pewter
Bug blimp
pure wave
Big blimp that drops little drones on you, like the walker fabricator
heady halo
blimp titan, the bile is conserved to use as floatation, it spawns various enemies
stable schooner
Holy crap, I checked the review score like, 20 minutes ago and it was 69%, now it's 65%. People are big mad and I guess I can't blame them, unless sony reverses on the PSN I'm just... not gonna be able to play the game next month.
pure wave
Holy crap, I checked the review score like, 20 minutes ago and it was 69%, now i...
Yeup
sinful bay
Make the stink stinkier, always, fuck big corps fucking consumers
stable schooner
Like that's the thing, I'm in the UK
Making a PSN account for me needs age verification, which means either,
a) A mobile phone number (I don't have a mobile phone in my name, it's remarkably common to use family hand-me-downs)
b) Photo ID (Don't have it, it's like a six-week turnaround to get it)
c) Sending them a scan of my face (hahahaha fuck no)
Even if I was ok with making a PSN account (and uh, I'm not, fuck Sony), I can't 🙃
strange vine
bleh yeah that sucks ass
honest acorn
Is that a UK thing?
strange vine
yeh
honest acorn
I don't think it asked for anything but birth date and I don't think it verified it for me
huh
stable schooner
62% now. The playerbase are treating this like an MO to wrap up, good for them good for them.
heady halo
I don't think it asked for anything but birth date and I don't think it verified...
yeah i had to give them a mobile number
pure wave
Love arrowhead
Love helldivers 2
'ate Sony
'ate big corporate actions
Jus' that simple
glacial light
I don't really trust any corporation with my info, eventually it's going to be leaked cause companies love to skimp on cybersecurity to save money. It's a little better when they have to follow strict regulations like medical/banking but I assume my private information is everyone across various databases at this point.
stable schooner
sony execs are not the only corporate suits i think should be beaten with hammers until the brainworms fall out, but they sure are the highest-profile right this minute.
sinful bay
Unless people really boycott and stop playing (For a time) nothing will change.
glacial light
I'm guessing their discord is on fire
pastel igloo
probably
hot meadow
I have to admit I don’t understand why the PSN thing is such a dealbreaker.
pure wave
I have to admit I don’t understand why the PSN thing is such a dealbreaker.
Personally, no issue with it
honest acorn
It's a big issue for people who are in regions which support steam but not the PSN
pure wave
But it IS an issue that it'll lock some people out of play
honest acorn
Since it effectively bricks the game
pure wave
It's a big issue for people who are in regions which support steam but not the P...
^^^^
That's the kicker
honest acorn
Otherwise its not a very big deal
sinful bay
And they let people still buy it even if they knew they would add that later
Sony literally let people had a honeymoon with the game just to brick the game for them later
stable schooner
I am also in principle averse to opening myself up for that likelihood of data breaches and email spam.
But the
"I literally cannot make an account"
is a somewhat bigger issue, yeah 🙃
sinful bay
I am also in principle averse to opening myself up for that likelihood of data b...
same.
I can live without the game
pure wave
I'm guessing their discord is on fire
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/FX...
That's probably gonna make at least five people upset
Reading some of the steam reviews is funny tho
pure wave
Letting people buy a game, own it for three months, then hard lock them out due to a third party account is bullshit, security concerns aside
glacial light
I dislike how every live service game requires a 3rd party account or login outside of steam even if it's only sold on steam.
It's a grievance but not a big deal for me compared to if I couldn't play a game I bought anymore
pure wave
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497294084348575754/1236024152050368563/17...
Actually foul
How is your security THAT bad
glacial light
How is your security THAT bad
Money, good security is expensive
stable schooner
squints
glacial light
Having worked at a bank adjacent to cybersecurity you need to rebuild all technological infrastructure from the ground up as a minimum, and what really makes it secure is creating security redundancies for human error/gullibility. No one should have an iota of information that don't need and multiple people should be required to access big stuff
stable schooner
aren't some of those grey countries in the EU?
doesn't the EU like
love sueing big companies over shit like this?
glacial light
Is bellarus in the EU
stable schooner
probably won't happen, but it'd be funny
tall stone
I am also in principle averse to opening myself up for that likelihood of data b...
The anti-cheat is a bigger risk tbh
junior badge
aren't some of those grey countries in the EU?
Looks like the baltics and some of the balkan states.
Which, yes.
Some EU countries are affected.
As discussed above, the EU most likely (if it gets involved at all) would enforce mandatory refunds for anyone affected. At least for those who are unable to make an official PSN account, perhaps even for anyone who doesn't want one.
Highly unlikely it'd be anything else.
pure wave
Money, good security is expensive
Fucking plaintext though?
junior badge
And notably at the movie company, not the video games one, so presumably people whose main skillset isn't anything with computers. (Well, insofar as making movies involves computers.)
glacial light
Fucking plaintext though?
Either a developer doing it or 3rd party company handling it costs money, maybe like 50k a year at most. Think of the shareholders of a multi million dollar company!
pure wave
Either a developer doing it or 3rd party company handling it costs money, maybe ...
They'll never financially recover!!!
glacial light
It was mentioned here before but reddit has discovered it. Oof trusting Sony with ID or face photo? Nah
UK new PSN accounts apparently
junior badge
I just ran a diff 1 to grab some SCs and I died TWICE.
Called a hellbomb in, such that I got stuck in a building when I armed it.
And then I got burned by Pelican 1 for the very first time -.-
I think the game doesn't want me to farm SCs like that.
honest acorn
hahahaha that's so unlucky
junior badge
Yeah, I dunno how I managed to miss P1 coming down xD
pure wave
It was mentioned here before but reddit has discovered it. Oof trusting Sony wit...
It's wild how a decision like this, can outright kill a good chunk of a game's community
I'd say hopefully it's eye opening
But I doubt the backlash is enough for anything to change
pastel igloo
i feel bad for Arrowhead honestly
ionic holly
Same
I dont doubt arrowhead is trying their best to get sony to fuck off but sony is
way too fuckin stubborn to
they'd sooner commit and watch the game dry out and just move on
pure wave
They got their money, so they're probably satisfied
ionic holly
Mhm.
glacial light
They got their money, so they're probably satisfied
Unfortunately true, most of the game's money came from launch and the money from some people buying SC for warbonds is a lot less considering their expected retention rate was like 20%
hot meadow
They got their money, so they're probably satisfied
I wouldn’t bet on this actually.
Sony’s really really interested in the consistent revenue streams of live service products.
Like 3.6 billion dollars worth of interested
tall stone
I will note that the incentive to buy Supercredits will go up as we get more warbonds.
The first three I was easily able to get based off of just Warbond Supercredits and passive harvesting.
This next one, not so much.
stable schooner
Yeah once you clear the first warbond and its SC pickups the pace slows considerably
copper crest
Also most people's play cadence slows down over time compared to "ooh just picked up a game"
tall stone
Correct
glacial light
That's me
It's taken me 6 weeks to get like 500 SC.
I play a mission or 2 for personal orders every day, maybe an op a day on the weekends. Where'd all my time go
tall stone
Yeah.
Also, 9.99 for 1k Super Credits, so buying a new warbond outright would be nice enough business. But the game doesn't really have any whale enablers, which is way better than most other games out there.
glacial light
Helldivers it the closest i've ever get to whaling, cause I spend like $10 a month for a warbond and like there's not much a point spending more than that even if you had more money to throw at the game
Even then buying SC isn't a huge advantage cause like you need to earn medals to unlock warbond items anyways
tall stone
Yup.
The only one I'd call an out and out advantage over just the basic stuff is Cutting Edge.
Because it has a stacked first page.
Sickle and Localization
stable schooner
I think the explosives warbond is a power upgrade too, since the eruptor/grenade pistol add capacities that you otherwise just Don't Have
glacial light
I'd rate it definitely cutting edge, then explosive, then electric, and last Steeled Veterans
tall stone
Steeled Veteran's biggest thing is giving you the power of Yeet.
cobalt patrol
I'm guessing their discord is on fire
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/FX...
The CMs are dealing with some pretty horrid abuse
glacial light
I rocked the steel veteran yeet armor so much, light yeet armor is so good for clearing nests/fabs but I found it made the game too easy to just clear everything before your teammates even had a chance to look at them
It'd feel nice to throw a 120mm/walking barrage from like 80m away and then keep running so by the time you get there the enemies would be dead and you just walk in to clean up
tall stone
I like being able to hurl a 380 to relatively safe distances.
quick crown
Steeled veterans lets me spin my revolver so its slightly above cutting edge for me
glacial light
Steeled veterans lets me spin my revolver so its slightly above cutting edge for...
If you glitch it hard enough you can revolver spin a flamethrower according to a gif I saw on reddit
strange vine
Theres leaks of the performance of the upcoming warbond weapons however the caveat is the stats may be placeholder
stark ether
HD2 has gone down a steam review level to Very Positive
https://www.rxddit.com/r...
its down to mixed now
stark ether
stable schooner
It's down to 48% currently. It might be Mostly Negative by late tomorrow, at this rate.
sour whale
sony will only really take notice if it affects sales. which it might, dunno how much steam review ratings correlate to sale numbers
golden ledge
I know there's a lot of people that only look at review score (not the reviews themselves, jsut hte score) on steam.
glacial light
Hello me
I look at the trailer and if it has enough gameplay and reviews aren't glaring I wishlist or buy
I skip the first with word of mouth
tall stone
I rely entirely on word of mouth.
shy prairie
Nothing like dropping into a very dark, very foggy map next to a mech firing it's gun and stomping around with a big bug corpse on top of it
hot meadow
I think we don’t really know how song will react yet
Helldivers is a runaway hit and if this looks like it could really affect that, or they believe it might, I don’t actually know what they’ll do
glacial light
Hopefully the CEO is a good talker, worst case scenario is they drop HD2 alltogether but I highly doubt it
covert umbra
sony will only really take notice if it affects sales. which it might, dunno how...
the thing is that this review period is likely to get flagged as a review bomb, which means it won't affect overall steam scores
depending on whether or not the negative reviews are sustained or not i think
glacial light
I feel like it's up to the employee that talks to reps at Sony to convince them that essentially, it's Sony's fault which seems like a task.
hot meadow
Hopefully the CEO is a good talker, worst case scenario is they drop HD2 alltoge...
…why would they do this?
Like no offense but that makes 0 sense
glacial light
If it's a hassle they could stop it, Sony does have a graveyard of dead IPs, like I said worst case scenario
hot meadow
I don’t think there’s a world where that happens.
Even the made most of the money at launch thing doesn’t line up with how live service business models work.
pastel igloo
well, that isn't good
hot meadow
Yeah, we will see how it turns out
Personally I think this is a good example of Sony not knowing how to run live service games, so we will have to see if smarter heads prevail
wind arrow
what is the problem? the forced PSN account?
pastel igloo
yes
wind arrow
i'm ignorant on this end then, it seemed like just one extra step of registering for a free account and bind it?
hot meadow
I had the same confusion
pastel igloo
PSN is unavailable in a large amount of countries
wind arrow
i see
pastel igloo
and Sony is notable for leaking users data
hot meadow
Basically I think the main problem is that… what freyja just said yes exactly
glacial light
Main 2 issues is PSN is available in only 1/3rd of countries, while HD2 is sold on steam in most countries and 2 Sony security bad, in UK new PSN accounts need either a photo or picture of ID to sign up
pastel igloo
basically this would lock a significant amount of the playerbase out of playing due to not being able to make accounts
PSN is unsafe data wise cause Sony is leakier than a sieve
tall stone
Main 2 issues is PSN is available in only 1/3rd of countries, while HD2 is sold ...
UK and South Korea.
pastel igloo
and in some places it has shitty sign ups like mentioned
wind arrow
also china i'd imagine
tall stone
The biggest problem is availability, imo
pastel igloo
yeah
hot meadow
Personally my main concern frankly is that I think Sony is willing to lose good will and playerbase numbers for exclusivity, or near as they can get
wind arrow
although i do wonder if there's a chinese server for PSN at all or if it's HK
pastel igloo
honestly
based on how much outrage there is from what is essentially day one of this being announced, it's potentially going to be a pretty bad situation
hot meadow
Yeah IMO these things tend to only escalate in the short term.
Folks work each other up, etc
wind arrow
i see
hot meadow
I agree, this is actually a thing
pastel igloo
it's like 39k negative reviews in a day
wind arrow
ok yeah
chinese players would be a significant contributing force for that review bomb
since there's no chinese PSN server
pastel igloo
Twitter
do not envy people at Arrowhead rn
they are probably not having a fun time atm :/
hot meadow
I feel very bad for them but I think if they don’t like this either, the community is providing them a very good quantity of ammunition.
glacial light
AH is just stuck between a rock and a hard place for a decision they probably didn't want to make in the first place. They'll have to appease players while appeasing Sony
glacial light
pastel igloo
https://twitter.com/Pilestedt/status/1786454659256758447
^
glacial light
CEO knows it's fucked and probably can't say it was Sony's fault.
pastel igloo
Twitter
notably it's been listed on the steam page since way before this
but i don't think that's going to help them much
hot meadow
I actually genuinely don’t know how this is gonna shake out lol. I wonder if Sony is actually gonna back down on this
It just seems like an unforced burn down on a successful live service at a time when even bungie is in serious trouble
glacial light
I feel bad for AH, they seem to care and it likely wasn't their decision. It's not like Tarkov where they report to no one but make the worst decisions
pastel igloo
saw some stuff about one of their community managers being shitty on discord but that's not really indicative of the company i don't think
either way this is looking like it could end up being some serious trouble
hot meadow
I don’t even think he was being shitty
I thought he gave the discord some fairly good advice actually
pastel igloo
egh
well some of the stuff i saw was kinda shitty
but either way the situation is pretty bad with the PSN thing
hot meadow
I think I only saw the one where spitz said to complain on steam
glacial light
If it's the CM that starts with an S it kind of was bad responses but tbf dozens of people were literally pinging CM's and mods every 30 minutes
glacial light
Ig it's sort of their job to "power through" it and be polite but people have limits still
pastel igloo
yeah
i think that's fair
guess we'll see how things go
for me personally the most fucked thing is just that people in regions where PSN does not exist were able to buy the game
glacial light
As far as small indie PR goes I think, "no absolutely horrid cancel worthy takes" is good work in times of crisis cause so many larger companies will fail that bar.
hot meadow
Personally I think this caught Sony and AH by surprise, so I’m relatively optimistic that somehow might happen.
This being the scale and unanimity of the negative response
pastel igloo
and are now at risk of being unable to play a fucking game they bought
like the sony getting my data thing is bad
and i just generally don't want to deal with the hassle of linking shit
tall stone
for me personally the most fucked thing is just that people in regions where PSN...
This is what pisses me off the most.
pastel igloo
but at this point i gotta focus on the thing that actually matters which is Sony fucking people over who legitimately purchased a product and will be unable to use it
that is bullshit and fucked
tall stone
If that were the complaints I was seeing the most of, I'd be more understanding.
hot meadow
but at this point i gotta focus on the thing that actually matters which is Sony...
Doesn’t it feel a little like someone didn’t think of that?
tall stone
but instead what I keep seeing is "Sony leaks!"
pastel igloo
Doesn’t it feel a little like someone didn’t think of that?
yeah
that if nothing else feels like it has to be illegal
hot meadow
Or at least so bald facedly dumb it seems an oversight, I agree
hot meadow
We shall see! I’m following this all with intense interest, tbh
tall stone
God I hope so. I was planning to go through despite the PSN thing specifically because of how not predatory the game is.
And I want to reward that shit.
pastel igloo
i have a PSN account that i can use even if it still persists as a problem
but yeah i'm probably not going to buy the super citizen upgrade when i have the cash like i had planned if the situation does turn out badly
tall stone
I made one yesterday because honestly the DRM is more dangerous in my mind.
pastel igloo
yeah i was wary about the game because of the DRM as well
tall stone
It is the only DRM game I have.
And at any sign of a problem, I am canning the game and never looking back.
pastel igloo
fair honestly
pure wave
I feel bad for AH, they seem to care and it likely wasn't their decision. It's n...
I wish there was a way to kick Sony directly in the nuts over this
Arrowhead doesn't deserve to get caught in the middle because they're the devs
It's clear they love their playerbase and their game.
Worst case scenario, people find out about HD1 and shift towards that
strange vine
unfortunately HD1 def has way more limited appeal
i tried it but didnt vibe with it, unfortunately
pure wave
unfortunately HD1 def has way more limited appeal
Very much so
There's a Halo game being made in infinite's Forge
Called "Helljumpers"
Similar idea
Definitely won't be the same
wide mural
aren't the devs swedish
mortal wing
Aye
I'm far more aggravated by people going "babies crying about having to create account" on mass than with game being unavailable in my region in the future.
glad marsh
That's a lawsuit waiting to happen tbh
You can't just disable use of a product that's been paid for and get away with it
...hopefully
stone bridge
If there's media coverage being done on this it's only a matter of time before Sony backtracks imo
I don't think they're stupid enough to follow through when their cash cow is being sufficiently threatened
sharp crater
I'm far more aggravated by people going "babies crying about having to create ac...
minor nitpick: it's "en masse," from the French. you got the usage right tho
mortal wing
stark ether
i'm ignorant on this end then, it seemed like just one extra step of registering...
many people are tired of having to make a new account for every single thing they do
upbeat vector
so fucking tired...
stark ether
like ay time i want to do anything i havent done before i seem to have to make a new account and before anyone says "password manager" thats not the point
upbeat vector
Why do I need to give my data to every jackass executive who doesn't fucking bother to secure it in the entire goddamn world?
pure wave
I am, likely still going to play helldivers 2, just...
Going to leave negative review.
stone bridge
lol
mortal wing
Basically nothing new.
pure wave
Seems kind of more like a.. "How To", than anything else
oblique storm
I will admit the "If you're travelling you can put in a different country" is pretty amusing
upbeat vector
Is it just me, or does #3 not actually answer the question
Like, it just goes "If you're in a different circumstance to the one in the question, you can do this!" But it doesn't actually answer?
pure wave
It doesn't, relaly
pure wave
?
how so?
upbeat vector
It's just the question is useless and also not the one anyone is asking
It answers "I am currently in" which to me has the implication that you don't like, permanently live there
mortal wing
Question is posed as if it's someone temporarily visiting a country without PSN access.
upbeat vector
Yeah!
oblique storm
Is it just me, or does #3 not actually answer the question
imo it's basically just telling you to lie
upbeat vector
And then the TOS says "If you lie we ban your account"
hexed steeple
And then the TOS says "If you lie we ban your account"
i don't think they have a way to check for lies en masse though so it's not a rule that's practically enforcable
strange vine
yeah ive seen anecdotes that people have had the wrong country for years and no consequences
outside of maybe support being obstinate if youre not using the right account
upbeat vector
Okay but that's still a sword of "you can be banned at any second" hanging over your head at all times
civic apex
glacial light
I'm guessing they're hinting that no one at AH will punish a player for having a PSN account not where they live
blissful sparrow
its not like AH has any influence on that
quartz cloak
That's kind of the problem, yes. It's Sony doing the banning
verbal summit
Oh a friend asked playstation support and they said it's fine to make an account in a different country as long as payment won't be an issue.
So not only is it not an issue to AH it's also not an issue to PSN
junior badge
It's still shitty and Sony deserves the backlash, but AH definitely doesn't.
mortal wing
For now I don't think I will be making random country's psn account because it seems like atm there's no way to remove Steam - PSN account link
And I don't want to end up at some point with - we changed terms for your country, now similarly to uk please provide your ID or such
Sorry about my ramblings, I just don't want to end up in some kind of situation I will need to figure out like 2 years down the line.
verbal summit
It's still shitty and Sony deserves the backlash, but AH definitely doesn't.
True
Just that some people that I like to call Gamers are overreacting about it waaaay too much
verbal summit
And I don't want to end up at some point with - we changed terms for your countr...
Could try asking support if it'd be possible to change the country later on in such a situation
Guess they'd want proof that you made the account in a different country tho so you'd probably how to show something like ID anyway to show your actual nationality.
runic cairn
imagine being in the Philippines and the game you paid for you can't play due to not having psn in your country
not me (thankfully) but I have friends
naive dragon
Looks like AH is in talks with Sony, some screenshots were getting handed around
ionic holly
I will be
really happily surprised if sony backs off
fallen tendon
I'm gonna be real, I don't think arrowheads blameless in this because if this is what's being said in their discord they're either lying or being deliberately ignorant. Steam gives you 3 different user ids that you can use for specific users if you need to locate/ban them. (steamID - STEAM_0:1:xxxxxxxx , steam3 - [U:1:xxxxxxxx] , and steam64 - 7656xxxxxxxxxxxxx )
I also think that if they wanted it to be mandatory from the getgo they should've stopped entry to the game entirely for the duration and properly implemented it before resuming service rather than waiting 3 months to then rugpull to skirt around the refund timer.
I also don't think arrowhead should have all the blame because Sony is definitely Sony, but they're not completely innocent.
like its not something that's actively hidden otherwise steamdb wouldn't be able to pull it for you for free immediately so they absolutely have access to it.
blissful sparrow
oh gods, they are using usernames, not userids to uniquely identify users? that explains why there is that "known bug" of friend requests failing if you rename yourself between the request and the acceptance
naive dragon
Oof
fallen tendon
oh gods, they are using usernames, not userids to uniquely identify users? that ...
we have no clue what they use unless they confirm it 🙃 I'm not willing to take what the CMs say at face value because they've been very blasé and "just go make a PSN account" about the whole affair and how it impacts people - I'd want direct confirmation with proof that they're doing it X or Y way which I understand we're not going to get because it could potentially make the system they have in place less effective as a result.
blissful sparrow
yeah, mostly referring to this. there is probably a bit more behind it, just because you can't actually uniquely identify users by usernames, but it still seems odd that they seem to treat usernames as an actual identifying property
fallen tendon
mhm, that makes it much more likely then and explains why some people get left with blank names if whatever system they're using presumably can't handle those characters/names too long for a PSN username
dusty spruce
Some honestly pretty good sounding developments earlier today
Hopefully things work out for the better
fallen tendon
oh also, general word of warning: Don't use a VPN to make a PSN account. You will be banned and unable to use HD2
https://vxtwitter.com/Helldiversmedia/status/1786449171127615877
keen zinc
Spitz is legit saying "refund and review bomb its the only thing we can use to tell Sony to fuckoff"
naive dragon
I'm doing my part
honest acorn
The helldivers playerbase has a lot of experience using massive action to make a percent bar move lol
nocturne saffron
Don't mess with helldivers players, we don't even know what our game is about
tall stone
Our game is about how properly directed collective action can top any odds, right?
ionic holly
Some honestly pretty good sounding developments earlier today
Hopefully things w...
I
i never though
i would see a CM actively tell people to refund and review in hopes of getting corporate to fuck off
even if this doesnt work, the amount of respect i have for arrowhead grows
tall stone
Points to Helldivers already massively respecting people's money with its setup
ionic holly
Like said, grows, it was already there trust me
tall stone
It's still a great surprise, but a consistent one. 😛
I'll probably not refund the game, Arrowhead deserves the money still.
ionic holly
I would never expect staff to be okay with tanking ratings is the thing
respecting money with its setup is one thing, bit actively going "Hey, tank the score"
Yeah, regardless of how this goes down, arrowhead has more than deserved respect
pastel igloo
no matter what i won't refund
and i will probably keep playing the game unless the situation gets a lot worse somehow
ionic holly
I want to believe, i really do
But all i can do is hope
keen zinc
At least Creative Assembly turned its shit around so I can enjoy Total War again
graceful bluff
Lmao someone on another discord got the funniest problem with the sony account
it's requiring them to log on a playstation to finish setting up the account, they don't have one for obvious reasons
naive dragon
Oh boy
pastel igloo
honestly incredible
strange vine
tall stone
The tank addition made all the difference.
cobalt patrol
So, low key
I'd kidna love automatoms pulling a combiner
i am a sucker for how wildly impractical and islly combiners are
which makes them awesome
naive dragon
I love combination mechs
tall stone
Bot unit that puts bodies together. 😄
cobalt patrol
Bot unit that puts bodies together. 😄
Getta outta here you mecha-pervert
Also, damn, a teammate brought Autocannon and gattling sentry + laser drone to a bug mission and one red strat, no support misison
support weapon
and he did work
tall stone
The Gatlign Sentry and Autocannon do nicely make up for not having a support weapon. They've got pretty reasonable cooldowns.
Plus you can set 'em up to give yourself some flanking fire.
stable schooner
Steam is now granting Refund Requests for HD2 to people with 100 hour playtimes who've owned the game since February. https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ck4mql/refunds_on_steam_work_here_is_good_guy_steam/ Looks like this is more than a storm in a teacup, there's money confirmed on the line now.
nocturne saffron
Oh damn
pure wave
This'll be interesting
graceful bluff
Apparently it has caught on in the japanese communities too, so shit might actually happen too
stable schooner
Apparently "I am being forced to use a third-party signup" is something Steam takes seriously.
graceful bluff
They're usually pretty good about refunds for stuff like this
like the time epic discontinued rocket league on linux
pure wave
I wish there was a way to kick Sony directly in the nuts over this
Looks like my wish got granted then
graceful bluff
In normal steam fashion you have to do the refund multiple times until it shows up infront of a human though
average is like ~7 times I think lol
cobalt patrol
The Gatlign Sentry and Autocannon do nicely make up for not having a support wea...
Oh, yeah, i was really impressed with the guy and their placement, they did a lot of smart work
though there was a funny where they put the autocannon sentry down, it leaned down to shoot a brood commander below it
and blew itself up
tall stone
Always the risk you run with auto turrets!
pastel igloo
Steam is now granting Refund Requests for HD2 to people with 100 hour playtimes ...
Average Steam win
tall stone
"Yeah, sure, we'll give you your money back. If this thing turns around, you'll probably buy it again!"
burnt vapor
Steam stays wining as per usual
naive dragon
Steam W
cobalt patrol
Don't steam refunds not even give you your money back? they give you steambuxs which look liek your money, but are trapped in the stream ecosystem
pure wave
You can have it go to your steam wallet, or back to whatever you used to pay with
candid finch
Steam is now granting Refund Requests for HD2 to people with 100 hour playtimes ...
I believe Helldivers devs themselves went "if you keep up with the refunds and the review bombing so we can show sony the damage they're doing"
cobalt patrol
I believe Helldivers devs themselves went "if you keep up with the refunds and t...
They've been very explict that yelling on the discord: Not something that sony will care about
Refunds and review bombing? Sony absolotuey cares
candid finch
yeah the discord is not a place to yell, Sony's bottom line needs hitting
idle hollow
Steam is now granting Refund Requests for HD2 to people with 100 hour playtimes ...
i tried and i didnt get it
i bought it a few days after launch in february
127 hours
stable schooner
I did see somebody saying they had to try several times to get past the automated messages, but as soon as it was in front of a person it worked.
idle hollow
mk
glacial light
Yea that's just regular steam policy is that automatic refund are within a certain game hour or ownership timeframe, anything outside of that is subject to manual review by a human which has always been generous to me if I give a short explaination of the issue
I remember when steam was awful for refunds first few years and it was basically the risk of buying from steam but the discounts were worth it was the mentality
hot meadow
I'm pretty sure this PSN thing won't last at this point.
My main remaining worry is that this will have made the larger internet community around helldivers irredeemably toxic
pure wave
That
is a possibility
hot meadow
IMO based on my experiences with Destiny it's more like it is the most likely outcome right now, and will have to be actively averted
graceful bluff
It's already extremely toxic because chuds don't understand what satire is
hot meadow
The discord certainly is, but the subreddit was at least somewhat amusing
now it's all like "everyone at AH is a millionnaire so we can hate them freely!"
modest fiber
yea people always seem to amaze me at what new degrees of stupid they come up with the next.. well at least we can blame most of it on sony so.. thats a good thing i think? i dunno
pure wave
now it's all like "everyone at AH is a millionnaire so we can hate them freely!"
Its more so that "We have no direct way to punish Sony for this, so we need to go through Arrowhead"
But some people don't understand that
hot meadow
No I mean that's literally a post I saw
"They can go cry in their sports cars"
It's a pretty common trope in these kinds of things and just one of those things that makes it less pleasant to even casually read a subreddit
pure wave
"They can go cry in their sports cars"
Thats upsetting
Some people have also tried review bombing HD1
like what???? thats not even connected to the issue???
modest fiber
well humans aren't smart.. some are just more stupid than others, case in point
modest fiber
It's a pretty common trope in these kinds of things and just one of those things...
wait.. people actually read subreddits? i though those where just filled with stupid shit so i tend to steer clear of reddit in general
cobalt patrol
wait.. people actually read subreddits? i though those where just filled with st...
You gotta stop generalising. They're communities. They can be good or bad, entirely depending on any number of factors
graceful bluff
tall stone
The game trained us in the starting steps of collective action. 😛
cobalt patrol
In the case of Reddit, the big issue tends to be moderation
Septic moderation gets you septic communities
unreal merlin
Pretty funny that the community who has been trained to focus their efforts on a single goal managed to coordinate 100,000+ negative reviews in real life.
amusing
glacial light
New MO: fuck snoy
stark ether
yeah i'll be refunding hd2 and playing hd1 (which i bought a few days after hd2) which has no psn requirement iirc
dusty spruce
little late there guys
Hopefully this is just a temp fix until PSN access can be ironed out
copper crest
Damn, PSN isn't in American Samoa, a US territory?
wide mural
pope can't play helldivers
dusty spruce
Huh, I always assumed that “See” was spelled differently in that case
copper crest
Oh same deal with French Guiana (repesented in the French National Assembly, even!), Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, or the various British Oveseas Territories
glacial light
Unrelated but today's PO is to kill 10 stalkers which is annoying cause afaik there's no way to know if those nests will be in a mission
amber hatch
https://fixupx.com/TheActMan_YT/status/1786772644408467648
ugh this guy
glacial light
HD2 is reviewed as mostly negative now. Dropping 500kg review bomb
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/hzJW3BTWFJ
cobalt patrol
Oh same deal with French Guiana (repesented in the French National Assembly, eve...
Current asusmption is that this isn't Sony doing it - it's an immensly annoyed Valve, who are going "Okay, until you sort your shit out, we're cutting acess to buyers for you"
pure wave
HD2 is reviewed as mostly negative now. Dropping 500kg review bomb
https://www....
For your consideration;
500k(g) negative reviews
copper crest
Current asusmption is that this isn't Sony doing it - it's an immensly annoyed V...
Yeah just didn't expect some of these sorted out from the rest of the country
pure wave
Unrelated but today's PO is to kill 10 stalkers which is annoying cause afaik th...
Easily farmable though
tall nova
https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542
bold strategy, let's see if it'll pay off
stone bridge
I'm inclined to agree with Penguin's assessment here
It's Valve doing this and saying "sort your shit out, Sony"
daring monolith
Also bc it’d be illegal for valve to not, I think?
sour whale
it would certainly be a risk for valve to get hit with a suit of some kind, if they knowingly sell a product in a region it can't be used
ionic holly
Very much getting ahead of the curb as much as they can
shy prairie
TIL you can parry hunter leaps with melee attacks
unreal merlin
Not only can you, it's a very effective thing to do
ionic holly
Yeah melee is more useful than one might think
tall stone
TIL you can parry hunter leaps with melee attacks
You... You can?
tall stone
Yeah melee is more useful than one might think
I mean, it does ignore all armor.
hot meadow
I believe you can turn it off yourself in botchat with "?rank helldivers"
ionic holly
I meant the reply ping.
unreal merlin
I mean, it *does* ignore all armor.
Melee will stagger a lot of things, but most importantly is that you can see a hunter about to jump at you and time the punch just so it leaps right into it, dealing no damage to you and staggering the hunter
Given that you can punch a lot faster than you can reload or even shoot some guns, it's something that will let you hold ground against a handful of them much longer than the usual "run away and hope your can stim fast enough" strategy
modest fiber
> Pretty funny that the community who has been trained to focus their efforts on...
the things we are willing to sacrifice for democracy knows no limits 
glacial light
I love to punch hunters right before they leap on me then blitzer them in the face
Also punching prowlers one shots them so it gives me something to do while my blitzer is recharging
wind arrow
i hear parry
cobalt patrol
Also bc it’d be illegal for valve to not, I think?
That and refunds are bad for you as a seller. They're a hassle, they impact how reliable you're viewed by banks, etc...
Valve does not want a shit cake left on their desk by Sony, this a politely worded threat.
Ofc if it turns out this is being done by Sony, I'll eat my hat (I won't, it's not delicious) but you get the idea
stark ether
honestly its possible someone at legal for sony was just like "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boss?"
cobalt patrol
Ugh. People have been shits enough that Spitz appears to have deleted his account on discord 😦
(one of hte Cms)
pastel igloo
😦
modest fiber
rip
shy prairie
Obviously like, most of people responsible for that are just being some degree of awful, but that person (Spitz) does apparently have like, a history of not being liked for several reasons
shy prairie
No
stone bridge
I don't think that's even worth bringing up honestly
shy prairie
You've got it then (deleted)
stone bridge
No I don't mean that in an official capacity
This is just my personal feelings on the matter
stark ether
it might not be deleted, might be a simmilar thing like how their last CM got flagged as a possible spammer with how much they were communicating with people
shy prairie
Yeah but like you're right, it's not worth bringing up
stone bridge
Fair call, then
Like, to make my stance crystal clear - I'm not gonna call the CMs infallible people in any capacity, but they've been placed in stressful situation after stressful situation by people that I don't think it's unfair to say are exceptionally unreasonable a lot of the time
And that's being generous
I'm inclined to be lenient towards them when they can be given the benefit of the doubt
shy prairie
Yeah the purpose of my post is to contextualize like, if that person did intentionally delete their account, they weren't like "just another CM" to quite a few people; they apparently have been involved with the Helldivers community since HD1. I dont have a value judgement on them since the only hard fact I know is that minor tidbit I removed
stone bridge
Roger
hexed steeple
i saw a post on the subreddit that was straight up just "we should harass the official discord more" kinda crazy
cobalt patrol
Spitz is relatively new to being a cm, and frankly, until they're throwing around actual serious insults, instead of just being a bit short and frustrated with people, any idea they "deserved" the hate can fuck right off
Being unlikable and making missteps does not deserve this kinda harassment. And frankly mostly the unlikable is because they kept calling people out
junior badge
From what I've seen, they were undiplomatic but right. Which okay, isn't ideal from a CM - but gets my sympathy in the situations they've been in.
cobalt patrol
stone bridge
yaaay :)
hexed steeple
yippee
junior badge
unprecedented
glacial light
This is quite sad, it seems the CEO has kind of given up. 7 years of work on this game and in 2 months topple the charts with meteoric success and one decision by Sony and AH is at the center of the shitshow
cobalt patrol
I don't think given up is quite right. I think he's being genuine, and giving the only honest answer he can right now
Playing armchair psychologist probably ain't wise, even though the staff are obviously hurting
keen zinc
pastel igloo
Rainy day today
pastel igloo
Mhm
unreal merlin
https://www.vxreddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1ck9769/sony_doesnt_allow_ukraine_players_to_register_psn/
Sony customer support putting on their clown make-up too I guess
stark ether
sanity
tired crystal
being a (fully) indie developer
blissful sparrow
Well, no
Deep rock is published by coffee stain, of Goat simulator, Satisfactory and Sanctum, which is in turn (i guess for a few weeks still) part of Embracer
junior badge
That feels like a mostly indie publisher, though.
Actually, what did AH get out of the Sony deal?
I presume some amount of money and likely marketing, but is this actually public knowledge? Or at least ballpark figures?
strange vine
Actually, what did AH get out of the Sony deal?
I presume some amount of money ...
The money and funding to develop this game for 7 years
junior badge
Oh, the deal was made already at the start of development? Alright, that's a pretty big amount.
strange vine
Yeah sony owns the helldivers ip
dusty spruce
Still are owned by them. The restructuring hasn't happened yet from my understanding.
And I think even after they're still gonna be stuck next to THQ Nordic.
tired crystal
blissful sparrow
Coffeestain is the flagship of that branch, anything that stays with them will be second fiddle
honest acorn
What does coffeestain do?
graceful bluff
Satisfactory currently
honest acorn
Ahh
graceful bluff
With their big breakthrough sadly being goat simulator instead of sanctum 1 and 2
quick plinth
Sanctum was that FPS TD game?
keen zinc
Groate scrimulator
graceful bluff
Sanctum was that FPS TD game?
yeah, sanctum 2's full package goes on sale for like 95% off really often too, so like 2 euros for one of the best coop games of its time
hot meadow
So, what do y'all think are the odds on Sony backing down on this?
honest acorn
Low but nonzero
hot meadow
(For reference, I've neither review bombed or angrily discorded/tweeted at anybody, I'm watching in fascinated horror)
honest acorn
Maybe 20-30% if I had to put up a number
hot meadow
That makes sense. I can't shake the idea that this seems like a dumb thing to fuck with a golden goose over.
hot meadow
Really an all time fumble
ionic holly
Steam actually stepping in has certainly raised the odds a bit
unreal merlin
That makes sense. I can't shake the idea that this seems like a dumb thing to fu...
Corporate Shareholders Just Let The Money Printer Print Money Without Touching It challenge (impossible)
hot meadow
It feels more like a corporate process run amuck than something deliberate
“Go around the leaf” etc
blissful sparrow
tbh i don't think the game would recover even if they backed down. i'd wager like a ~10% player drop starting tomorrow and then by may 30th when existing players see the prompt it might drop by another ~30% or so, and probably already declined by another couple points just in the between time
hot meadow
I don’t think the wound is fatal but I do agree there’s some degree of permanency in the damage. I don’t know to what degree.
blissful sparrow
yeah, i think its less "lasting damage" and more the disillusion having landed and you can't get the feeling of there not being bullshit back
hot meadow
Well put
My concern is that it’ll be a bungie situation
Where the community has a bizarrely adversarial relationship with the devs
FWIW I think their discord is a big honking mistake and the CMs should probably not say anything until something has actually happened
This is no shade on them, just like, I think everything will add fuel to the fire
honest acorn
That’s sort of a different issue the helldivers discord is not well set up
hot meadow
It is a different issue but I think it is exacerbating things
(I also just don’t think CMs should have to moderate or interact with a discord generally; I think it is a terrible environment for that sort of thing)
graceful bluff
They're also a CM for basically an indie studio, not a AAA studio
so way less training, way less team
hot meadow
Yes. I feel really badly for them.
graceful bluff
Them being a woman also just turbocharges the chuds that have infested the community
unreal merlin
I was convinced of the way less training bit when the @everyone ping happened and set off the cataclysmic F wave and subsequent rioting that got the old discord nuked.
hot meadow
I just really think they shouldn’t have a discord lol
unreal merlin
They were not at all prepared to manage a population of the size they were put in control of.
stable schooner
One thing the brainworms do make me wonder about is what kind of in-universe lore is going to turn up about this? Because even if nothing official happens, there's a subset of fans who insist on interpreting canon from the ingame numbers.
pure wave
Massive buercratic/logistical error
glacial light
You think Snoy would notice if they wrote a scathing MO about short sighted greed adversely affecting the war effort or something, but you know "isn't" alluding to anyone because it's a video game and it's satire
Rare to see someone publicly admit fault and especially from a CEO of a company
honest acorn
Pilestedt seems cool
glacial light
Yea he seems to be the best at PR in the company
pure wave
Which is why that it pisses me off that AH has to be the way we communicate our displeasure (review bombing, outrage, etc)
glacial light
Yea he seems to be the best at PR in the company
Granted he doesn't have to constantly engage like the CM do and can spend time to formulate responses but I feel like he could teach the other public facing employees some more thing or at least have a little more dialogue cause the CMs sometimes contradict what the devs and CEO say
shy prairie
Which is why that it pisses me off that AH has to be the way we communicate our ...
Is there... Actually a more appropriate outlet though, given that tweet from the CEO? Yeah, Sony requiring account linking sucks, but if it had been working at launch or had hd2 been delisted in the non-psn territories at launch I don't think buyers would be nearly as emotionally affected
For the record, I've not left a negative review
keen zinc
Sony should not have had it be sold in non PSN regions in the first place
It's not AHs fault for lowering the hard restriction for launch day server issues if Sony hadn't let it be sold in unsupported regions
fallen tendon
launch should've also been delayed if it was intended to be mandatory from the getgo. If bungie of all companies can delay a launch because things aren't working as intended you can too
shy prairie
Mmm, i see
cobalt patrol
launch should've also been delayed if it was intended to be mandatory from the g...
It was enabled at the start, the game got an insane boost in popularity that them set the servers on fire
So it got turned off
Because everything that wasn't just keeping the game running was getting turned off
shy prairie
Truly a case study (psn thing, awful discord, combine the two) in suffering from success
burnt vapor
yeah it was working just fine then they got an order of magnitude more players then they expected and that broke things after launch
cobalt patrol
That’s sort of a different issue the helldivers discord is not well set up
So I'm interested in this - what's poorly setup to you? What could they do better?
tall stone
Their moderation team is a bit too... Forgiving so far.
honest acorn
I think 3 general channels with a slowmode is bad
cobalt patrol
yeah it was working just fine then they got an order of magnitude more players t...
We expect a high point of 120k CCU, lifetime
Meanwhile, that was this weekend even while things are on fire
burnt vapor
I was refering to the linking and the like 1 mil CCU across PC and PS at launch
or at least the 1mil trying to play since they hit the sever cap
honest acorn
I think 3 general channels with a slowmode is bad
It leads to really disjointed drive by posting especially at scale
glacial light
They were expecting like what 10k concurrent players at most and even after all this dabacle it's at 110k players right now so unexpected technical issues is pretty fair not to be predicted to happen
honest acorn
I think there should be more specialized channels and a shorter slowmode
burnt vapor
they were expecting an average of 50k iirc
cobalt patrol
they were expecting an average of 50k iirc
High point of 120k CCU, yeah. It peaked at 800k CCU, and while it hasn't hit that high again, we've seen big surges
stable schooner
The other fun development is that this is probably gonna turn into a giant advert for Why Not To Work With Sony; the PSN is an active liability, enough to tank an otherwise perfectly-successful and fairly high profile game. Maybe not in fact, but in appearance? Oof.
hot meadow
Or this will turn Sony off from releases on pc
lethal dagger
All of this is so fucking stupid
supple siren
The fact it's just to pad PSN numbers is buckwild
honest acorn
glacial light
Amazing
hot meadow
Brutal.
copper crest
Looked at the list again and Metropolitan France is on the restricted list. Like, the section of France between Spain and Germany
hot meadow
I’m sorry, that’s so fucking funny.
blissful sparrow
Looked at the list again and *Metropolitan France* is on the restricted list. Li...
the section of France between Spain and Germany
???
hot meadow
Exactly! What does that even mean???
naive dragon
All of it
honest acorn
It's the non-overseas parts of France
naive dragon
Oh right I forgot that sort of thing exists
honest acorn
Yeah there's also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_France
naive dragon
Outer France
strange vine
current progress on the hulk scorcher
naive dragon
Me when she decides I'm the pizza
honest acorn
this frame 1 is so funny
sinful bay
current progress on the hulk scorcher
I love those :3c
almost asking for you to @ me when you post them
crystal badger
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2024/05/05/sony-is-making-a-truly-terrible...
extremely rare forbes w
dusty spruce
It's sorta funny, sorta sad, that is is still all connected to Helldivers 2 doing too well initially.
upbeat vector
current progress on the hulk scorcher
lol at the bot on the right blushing
glacial light
Me too right bot, me too
strange vine
ty!
keen zinc
NGL this current ongoing drama makes me not really wanna play so I'm gonna dip for a bit
New brainworms will move in
rough ravine
glacial light
memorizes the attack patterns of 380mm barrage
strange vine
OH SHIT (leak for a stratagem) || https://www.rxddit.com/r/HellDiversLeaks/comments/1cjz9zh/film_camera_objective_based_stratagem_raw_port/ ||
dusty spruce
OH SHIT (leak for a stratagem) || https://www.rxddit.com/r/HellDiversLeaks/comme...
oh sweet. looks very placeholderish, but I hope that gets turned into a full thing
pure wave
OH SHIT (leak for a stratagem) || https://www.rxddit.com/r/HellDiversLeaks/comme...
This was a very old fan suggestion
very OH SHIT
tall stone
Looking forward to it. I took a small uninstall break
Also took a step back from the Helldiver's discord because someone got on a tirade about how the bot front couldn't hold planets.
glad marsh
I think I'm honestly gonna use all this sudden drama as an excuse to take a break
glacial light
Yea I'm less inclined to keep up with the game every day, probably just gonna do a daily whenever I feel like it if I do and keep around 250 medals for the next warbond
lunar pendant
Welp
this about sums it up
also i got muted on the Helldivers discord for saying that people should leave bad reviews but remove them if sony revokes their decision
lol
pure wave
also i got muted on the Helldivers discord for saying that people should leave b...
its pretty voltile i nthere
oblique lotus
bout damn time
stable schooner
First thing in the morning too, instant capitulation. Someone in a very expensive suit probably got the "this is why I don't pay you to think; I pay you to make me money" speech
(Always bully corporations)
stone bridge
https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929
<@&1206091872716595200> account linking is no longer going ahead, please change your review if you posted a negative one in response to this debacle
tall stone
YA HOOOOOOOOO!
unkempt river
Hot DAMN that's good news :)
ionic holly
I had a feeling the moment we could actually start hitting their revenue, sony was gonna back down
mortal wing
I will wait for a bit in case they try to push it again or something 
stone bridge
They won't, lol
lunar pendant
I'm changing my review back
Likewise!
steady flameBOT
I have a question to celebrate: Why don't people like the Adjudicator but love the Eruptor?
stone bridge
They've already been crucified in the court of public opinion, if Sony actually tried to do something on the sly they'd be ritually sacrificed
ionic holly
I have a question to celebrate: Why don't people like the Adjudicator but love t...
i mean i feel like those are two very different weapons to compare
Granted im also someone who loves both so
shrug
tall stone
Collective action won! 😄
heady halo
changed mine back too
tall stone
My review has changed.
mortal wing
I have a question to celebrate: Why don't people like the Adjudicator but love t...
aren't they completely different?
ionic holly
most complaints now n days are the mag size to damage ratio to my understanding
heady halo
Collective action won! 😄
democracy managed from the bottom up
steady flameBOT
I must be using the Eruptor entirely wrong, since when I first picked it up I loved it.. Now not so much?
mortal wing
They've already been crucified in the court of public opinion, if Sony actually ...
sorry, just not a lot of trust going around those days
dusty spruce
Clearly this was an elaborate viral marketing campaign for Helldiver's collective war effort /s
tired mulch
HOORAY WE BULLIED THE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
🥳
wait what do I mean by "we"? I'm not even a helldiver
mortal wing
Gonna wait until buy button on steam returns at least.
quick plinth
I just need to figure out how to unlink my account now
perhaps I'll just delete it? if sony even allows you to judging from how some people tried to and weren't allowed
burnt vapor
wait what do I mean by "we"? I'm not even a helldiver
But you are a consumer and therefore part of the victors this day
meager grotto
W's all around
tired mulch
YAYYY
steady flameBOT
In other news: Why did I bring an Eruptor and Senator to Lv.7 Bugs? 😢
mortal wing
Because if you hold down reload button on senator you start doing cool gun tricks
shy prairie
Answer: you also brought an MG/lascannon?
mortal wing
and that was all the reason you needed
steady flameBOT
I brought the airburst rockets.
honest acorn
Ok where’s the 45 medals for this major order?
mortal wing
Why are people hating on airburst rockets?
steady flameBOT
It used to consider Helldivers food.
honest acorn
They sucked until the patch
mortal wing
Oh would it detonate on diver proximity?
honest acorn
Yeah
steady flameBOT
They've now updated the fuse firmware. :3
honest acorn
They were also less consistent with the spread
lethal badger
civic apex
lethal badger
I LOVE DEMOCRACY
ionic holly
WE CAN TEAR SONY EXECUTIVES APART
WITH OUR B A R E H A N D S
lunar pendant
me giving the SMUGEST fucking grin @ those people who said for everyone to shut up bc sony wouldnt changing their mind
mortal wing
lethal badger
democracy (:
ionic holly
me giving the SMUGEST fucking grin @ those people who said for everyone to shut ...
SAME
like, listen, i get the pessimism, dont get me wrong
BUT FUCK YOU THE HUMAN SPIRIT BURNS BRIGHTER
lethal badger
I got so mad at the people saying it’s the devs fault
lunar pendant
oh yeah megacorps like sony dont give a fuck about us, this is known
but you know what they do care about?
lethal badger
I AM VINDICATED
lunar pendant
their bottom line
ionic holly
Yeah, thats why the moment steam started blanket accepting refunds is when I really felt sony was gonna back down
this feels extremely relevant now
honest acorn
I admit I thought the odds were long for this outcome
I didn’t think we were gonna win that 10 defends MO either tbf
lunar pendant
sony really went "ah yes, the rabid fanbase of a game about joining together hand in hand to fight off enemies to all"
"we should annoy them"
steady flameBOT
See, I'm a War Thunder and Total War vet, so I had hope.
tall stone
I did not think we would change Sony's mind.
steady flameBOT
I've been in two communities who have bent the knee to review bombing and mass refunds before, and now it's 3.
lunar pendant
someone is getting ripped into at sony HQ right about now
tall stone
I was fully prepared to stick to my principles and just stop playing the game.
junior badge
I figured it was possible, and the reviews and refunds would be the thing to do, but wasn't optimistic.
tall stone
But I am so happy that I get to support Arrowhead.
ionic holly
Like said, i had hope, but steam starting to take refunds regardless of play time?
that was the catalyst
tall stone
So much so that I'm going to re-install the game and spend money.
lunar pendant
will remind everyone: Now that Sony has revoked their decision, remove or change your reviews. They worked
ionic holly
Yeah im fuckin buying the SC fro the next warbond
tall stone
My review has changed.
ionic holly
Already fixed mine
ionic holly
Oh they took an active sink
lunar pendant
like i said
Sony may not give a shit about the fans
but they do give a shit about their bottom line
5 days
steady flameBOT
What view is that?
lunar pendant
steady flameBOT
Interesting, mine doesn't look like that.
copper crest
The account-linking/region-locking also Made The News
lunar pendant
ionic holly
I know its a coincidence but this is hilarious to see after sony backing down
lunar pendant
LMAO
steady flameBOT
What's the stock code?
Horus-Affiliated Chaos Sheep ↩️
I'm looking at TYO: 6758.
copper crest
NYSE code is SONY
steady flameBOT
Oh that looks right.
copper crest
But also on Friday there was bigger news WRT stock price, Sony is looking into buying Paramount
stone bridge
I admit I thought the odds were long for this outcome
Really? Tbh I thought this was a foregone conclusion
As soon as media started picking up the story that was it
steady flameBOT
Yeah, NYSE:SONY looks right.
lunar pendant
will say tho, Arrowhead does need to have a chat w/ their community managers
bc this was handled super fucking poorly
from a socials standpoint
i mean hell, all i said was "leave negative reviews but change them when sony lets up" and now im muted for a week on the official discord
tall stone
Spitz recovered well.
tall stone
i mean hell, all i said was "leave negative reviews but change them when sony le...
Did you say that in the galactic war chat?
lunar pendant
Did you say that in the galactic war chat?
nope, in the General chat 1
tall stone
So when did you get muted?
stone bridge
I mean, don't take this personally, but the CMs were in crisis mode
Put yourself in their shoes when they've endured an entire weekend of extremely unreasonable people barraging them with shit, including, if the FAQ they put out is anything to go by, death threats sent to the dev team
lunar pendant
nah i do get that but the fact literally all i said during yesterday was
"We dive together, or we dont dive at all!" once
and "Leave a bad review but dont forget to change it if/when sony realizes they fucked up" once
tall stone
Put yourself in their shoes when they've endured an entire weekend of extremely ...
Spitz had to go into crisis management mode to avoid being doxxed.
stone bridge
^
There ya go
Like I'm sorry you got caught in the crossfire Sheep but it sorta just is what it is
This whole situation was terrible from top to bottom
tall stone
Just gotta get the reviews to reverse course now.
honest acorn
"We dive together, or we dont dive at all!" once
and "Leave a bad review but do...
It’s pretty normal for the mods to do traffic control there when a bunch of people say the same thing for a while
lunar pendant
It’s pretty normal for the mods to do traffic control there when a bunch of peop...
yes, but a weeks ban seems a bit excessive for traffick control
honest acorn
Oh huh they used to do 24 hour mutes
sweet surge
Now let hope those ppl who review bombed Arrowhead's other games can stop
copper crest
It was also a tiny amount of reviews in comparison, the "recent reviews" for HD1 says mixed but it's only like 400 negative reviews for an older game with tens of thousands overall
tardy onyx
Hi Sophie, good seeing u here.
copper crest
Magicka only has like 40 negative reviews this month
dusty spruce
and some of that is just that Magicka has to have some finessing to get to work nowadays.
HD1 getting negative review scores is where most of the outrage tourists went before returning to watch youtuber's twitter accounts
sweet surge
Still pretty dumb and lame to try to do that thou
mortal wing
Yeh, deleted my negative review.
Maybe gonna change it back to positive depending on how it goes
hot meadow
I don't see why not.
pastel igloo
Sweet sweet victory
ionic holly
Sad, they did patch out the cluster bombs ability to one shot factory striders
unreal merlin
That's only reasonable, it's not like cluster bombs are supposed to annihilate heavy armor vehicles
ionic holly
it is but i thought it was a cool lil thing for whats a pretty underused option
strange vine
....cluster aint underused
stone bridge
I see clusters being used all the time
oblique hazel
you don't generally see them much on bots in my experience
ionic holly
I've seen air strikes far more
oblique hazel
but they're everywhere on bugs
strange vine
just use orbital precision
ionic holly
No thanks
strange vine
it can fuck up a factory strider a ton
stone bridge
Welp, back to the locker cluster bombs go then
Uh, what for?
ionic holly
I wasn't fixating on strider stuff, that was a prior topic
ionic holly
Uh, what for?
Iunno, just going to something else
mortal wing
I feel that learning barrage patterns might be a bit difficult considering how (at least to me) beacons been bouncing a lot
honest acorn
I don’t think they’re super important to learn
ionic holly
Shrug, i'd rather learn what i'm gonna switch to
mortal wing
Peeps in my group were mostly using barrages as - let's just randomly throw like 3 of them at the same time on that bot base and keep moving past it.
pastel igloo
500 HE the bot obliterator
honest acorn
Peeps in my group were mostly using barrages as - let's just randomly throw like...
I think that works pretty well
There’s a bunch of patterns and they’re throw direction dependent iirc
So it’s hard asf to learn
copper crest
AIUI, walking is direction dependent but the others aren't
pale remnant
The most fun is going into an eliminate bugs mission with buddies and throwing down 380 barrages in the centre right at the start
copper crest
But they cycle through the pattern list with every orbital strat you throw
pale remnant
If you're patriotic enough you survive
copper crest
I guess if 120 or 380 is the only orbital you take then it'd be easy to count
modest fiber
<@&1206091872716595200> account linking is no longer going ahead, please change ...
we have done it men, democracy has won! now i can go back to work
honest acorn
I think it’s also team wide, though that can still happen
copper crest
Nah I watched the vid, it's per diver
unreal merlin
I feel that learning barrage patterns might be a bit difficult considering how (...
There's a video on YouTube where a guy tested 120/380/walking barrage patterns and did data correlation and geomapping for weeks only to find out that it's WAY more complicated than a fixed pattern because apparently not only was there a throw angle factor (literally which direction you throw it) but also the pattern changed if you had thrown any barrages prior to the test one
The poor lad tested by dropping in to a known location and throwing at a fixed angle, taking measurements, then exiting. Then he accidentally threw a 120 before testing the 380 and it fucked everything up
pure wave
<@&1206091872716595200> account linking is no longer going ahead, please change ...
Thakn gooddness
unkempt river
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some games?
orchid pulsar
gimme 30min and ill be there
cobalt patrol
They've already been crucified in the court of public opinion, if Sony actually ...
But ritually sacrificing the capitalistic overlords might be a good thing!
Sigh, fine, I'm put my knife down.
cobalt patrol
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some games?
In a bit 🙂 I'm just waking up after a long nap
short rune
I hope Sony won't look for a workaround to still fuck with us. (Like compensating the potential loss of sales by tweaking the games economy)
If they have so much power
modest fiber
<@&1206091872716595200> send dudes
cobalt patrol
gimme 30min and ill be there
one hour later, Soap and i are still sorting RL stuff
orchid pulsar
Yeah i have to take care of my little sister so it'll be a while
cobalt patrol
And i wanna focus on eating dinner and chilling some
modest fiber
rip
modest fiber
hmm...
cobalt patrol
You're gonna have to explain what you're seeing theree toaster
modest fiber
an explosive barrel, i think
unreal merlin
Wrapped in aluminum foil
tired mulch
do NOT put in the microwave
verbal summit
But if you put the aluminum foil ball in the Michael wave it turns into a very cool smooth ball! I saw someone do it in a yt video!
stark ether
thats the feeling of hitting your elbow on the corner of a table visually manifest
civic apex
Twitter
stark ether
yeah if you did a negative review now is the time to drop it of flip it imo
mortal wing
naive dragon
I'm doing my part (flipping back to positive)
short rune
It better be afraid
cobalt patrol
@stone bridge @orchid pulsar Just helping my partner, then ready to dive 🙂
stone bridge
roger that
cobalt patrol
<@&1206091872716595200> One more for bot sevens?
short rune
Seems like I don't have to land with a Hellpod inside the Sony HQ for now.
burnt vapor
I don't know sounds like a good idea to keep them honest
sinful bay
Seems like I don't have to land with a Hellpod inside the Sony HQ for now.
Do it just for the lols
and for cancelling the popey movie, the emoji movie and-
short rune
People that know HD1-lore be like 👀
jolly mortar
pretty relieved they reversed it. arrowhead got fucked over here. The studio head seemed so despondent on twitter about it all.
short rune
Whats upsets me most is how Sony wrote the first announcement as if it came from Arrowhead, only noting at the end that it came from Sony.
jolly mortar
Yeah. They knew it'd be unpopular, I have to assumr, and set AH to take the fall
sinful bay
pretty relieved they reversed it. arrowhead got fucked over here. The studio h...
Pretty much
glad marsh
I like to think arrowhead genuinely avoided the PlayStation linking thing until Sony tapped them on the shoulder and said "mandatory account linking pwease"
lunar pendant
Hi Sophie, good seeing u here.
oh shit, sup slash - late reply but i had just passed tf out
faint parcel
granite rivet
