#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

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keen zinc
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Nothing is gonna get dumped, covered, compacted, then buried by further layers of trash and cover, to be dug up later and exported

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That is silly

unreal merlin
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the bots when they realize that super earth is just farming them for certs: blobsweats

cobalt patrol
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This is a huge level of value judgement at other players and it's really weird, I gotta be honest.

They're almost certainly having fun. Just because that doesn't match your definition of fun doesn't make it insane

pastel igloo
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fair enough

naive dragon
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Me on the creek the entire time it was technically useless to capture it be like

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I miss the creek I wish someone would invade it again

keen zinc
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Illuminate

naive dragon
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Imagine they hit the creek but there's ruins of automaton bases scattered around

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Like a hint at what teams have attacked there in the past

pastel igloo
naive dragon
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That would be some fun visuals for planets

cobalt patrol
pastel igloo
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ok

naive dragon
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🤔 I also saw some leaks and I'm really hoping they're right

pastel igloo
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i've been trying to avoid leaks

naive dragon
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I won't say what in case people don't wanna talk about them

pastel igloo
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just cause i think it's more interesting to see things as they come

naive dragon
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But I'm hoping

tall stone
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Pelican glitched out for me during Extract, nobody on the team could board it and we had 5 minutes left of stratagems.

quick plinth
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I mean we know vics are on the way

tall stone
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So I just

pastel igloo
quick plinth
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the illuminate are gonna come along at some point surely

tall stone
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Got tired of everyone else trying to stay and extract for 3 minutes.

cobalt patrol
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I think you could better phrase it as "I don't understand" X or similar - I think this is insane is a pretty explicit value judgement. Anyway whoo, we've probably exhausted this as a topic

quick plinth
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and new stratagems are gonna happen

tall stone
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So I killed everyone else and then myself.

pastel igloo
tall stone
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I asked them to do it, but they didn't listen.

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There was even a time where it was one guy against a flame hulke

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And the rat bastard survived.

pastel igloo
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i don't like bugs and i've not been quiet about my distaste of how fire works rn

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it is what it is

naive dragon
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Why did that remind me of when I got stuck in the geometry and had to get my buddy railgun to release me

pastel igloo
tall stone
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There's more game after a mission, yeah.

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The samples are a lost cause if the pelican lands and bugs out.

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It landed on a tank corpse

pastel igloo
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i've lost missions trying to do main objectives alone while people try to complete everything on the map without actually being good enough to do it

tall stone
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That was also this mission.

pastel igloo
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or people just refusing to extract while the timer runs out

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because spoiler alert

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if you summon the ship before the timer runs out, it leaves when it does

tall stone
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Yuuuup

pastel igloo
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i've been kicked from missions before trying to at least get someone to extract

tall stone
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The weekend games just seem to draw out the people who don't get things.

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Had someone kick me from a bug blitz earlier because they thought I wasn't doing anything.

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Meanwhile I'm over in my corner of the map with an autocannon, an EMS mortar, and my stalwart just having a good time.

pastel igloo
tall stone
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But because he didn't see that, I wasn't doing anything.

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I like extracting because samples.

pastel igloo
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me too

naive dragon
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I like getting the red zones clear before extraction

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But yeah just fully refusing to extract?

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I mean I guess you do you I'm going home

pastel igloo
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me too, but in the situations where we are just bleeding revives and the extract is totally swarmed with bots

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not worth it

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just leave

tall stone
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Clearing red zones is nice, but some people don't know when it's time to just run.

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You can just leave

naive dragon
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Yeah sometimes it's a wash

tall stone
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Also, to be frank, I'm at the point where Requisition is now worthless for me.

naive dragon
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Same

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It's just fun for Tony

tall stone
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Oh yeah, clearing red zones is great and does help later on still.

pastel igloo
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i do still need requisitions but like

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i'm not going to just draw out a mission for no reason to try to force it

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i can just

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do more missions

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and have a better shot at it

naive dragon
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Technically I need to replenish the req I spent getting the air burst

tall stone
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It comes pretty easily, yeah.

naive dragon
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But that won't be long

cobalt patrol
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I clear all the red zones because XP = war progression

naive dragon
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I need to do more high diff and get medals to clear my warbonds

tall stone
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Also fair, ZP

cobalt patrol
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That's the real reason to MURDER EVERYTHING

pastel igloo
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yeah that is good

cobalt patrol
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also because at least at my skill evle clearing everything is pretty simple as long as everyone's on the ball

pastel igloo
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but you gotta know when to cut your losses if things are looking bad

tall stone
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But bleeding out recruits to do so before any main objectives are done is the bad part.

cobalt patrol
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like even on diff 8 it's really not that hard if you work together and have good strats with you

naive dragon
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Once I get my super sample dependent upgrades and medal farming some

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Done*

cobalt patrol
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unlike mr broguht laser drone andn o support weapon on diff 8 bots 😠

pastel igloo
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if things aren't good they aren't good, better to cut your losses and do another mission than waste time dying over and over in a sisyphean grind

glacial light
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Pubs on weekend sounds like pain, it's understandable that some people only have time to play on weekends and therefore not experienced at the game but I'd rather not be a babysitter

tall stone
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I'm happy to be a babysitter, but that comes with the ever-important caveat

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If I am 15 or more levels above you, please listen to me

honest acorn
glacial light
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I don't like having to play my jack of all trades carry the team build. I like to experiment with weird builds that aren't optimal

honest acorn
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It gets really hard to do secondaries and sometimes larger bases with the 400% patrols

tall stone
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I want a successful mission no matter what though.

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I'm OK with lower stars if it means we got the main objective done.

naive dragon
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I wonder if it's time to hang up my railgun sadcowboy

tall stone
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Nah, play the weapons you like.

honest acorn
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I think it’s ideal to do secondaries and factory bases/10holes first and then the primary

naive dragon
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I do like my railgun

glacial light
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I like players here cause most of them only need samples and super credits and that's good by me

naive dragon
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I also enjoy playing here

tall stone
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Only need 100 more super credits for the next warbond. 😄

naive dragon
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You guys don't make me feel bad when I suck

glacial light
naive dragon
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I'm self conscious about playing with people who don't know me but I'm getting better at that

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Folks really do be nice in d9

tall stone
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I play with too many randos to trust them.

honest acorn
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Getting bogged down doing a SEAF arty with 400% patrols is really hard

tall stone
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Especially on weekends.

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Some main objectives are also going to be suffering no matter what

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Like how ore samples will just call in bots/bugs no matter what.

cobalt patrol
naive dragon
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I agree

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In part because slamming bases with strategems is my favorite part

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Those blitzes where you just split up and throw laser orbitals into them before running the fuck away

tall stone
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380 and leave is my jam, yeah.

glacial light
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I did enjoy playing the throw armor early on and walking barrage a medium nest or fabs from 80m awah before anyone could even get close

tall stone
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I love my yeet armor.

naive dragon
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I still like my six grenades armor but I wish it had explosion resistance over having the stability things

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That just seems more thematically appropriate

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Esp considering how many times I'll wind up driving away from my own grenade because I use them danger close

cobalt patrol
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i wwear fortified into bots all the time because of just how good the ex res is. recoil reduction is real nice, but exres lets you get away with so. much. shit.

naive dragon
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I didn't realize it was that significant

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I'll have to play with it

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(I've been wearing the same armor for drip reasons for so long)

cobalt patrol
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50% explosive resist on medium armor is enough you can step on landmines and survive with over 40% hp.

naive dragon
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Wow

pastel igloo
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holy shit

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that's pretty good

naive dragon
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Me putting on new armor extremely quickly

cobalt patrol
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You can eat an entire rocket dev barrage and live as well

naive dragon
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I kinda want that tachanka looking armor in the Democratic Detonation set

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This is again for visual reasons

cobalt patrol
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Though you will sometimes get domed in the head and just die

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or get some much momentum added to you you hit a wall and die

naive dragon
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Lol

heady halo
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we should get drop fortifications, especially as there is terrain deformation

naive dragon
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Ooh yeah

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That would be cool

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I summon wall

heady halo
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laser "trench digger" that cuts a prefigured shallow trench system, damaging enemies in the process
dropbunker that gives you a small area of heavy armour with a standard machine gun pointed in each direction

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really quick cooldown thats just "wall"

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its like maybe 10ft long and just taller than crouch height, can crush enemies it lands on as an added bonus (but drops a little slow so its only a bonus)

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oooo mudbomb that makes a big area of semi-permanant slowing terrain, zero damage, only slows infantry but really fast calldown

azure pewter
heady halo
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lmao

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yes

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"new hyper-technical advanded terrain deformation engineering machine" its a hellpod full of water

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can also put out fires

tall stone
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I'd kill for a Hellpod Fire Supression System.

cerulean sluice
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Does something to Bots ig

tall stone
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That would be great for Hellmire/Botmire.

azure pewter
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specialized hyper-insulated terrain perforation and nest termination system

tall stone
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That's the 380

azure pewter
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S. H. I. T. P. A. N. T. S. for short

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welp 380 is shitpants now

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i expect all yall to understand what that means

cobalt patrol
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Getting really frustrated with randos joining diff 8 who clearly have no idea what they're doing and just cannot keep up with the demands of it.

tall stone
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Welcome to the weekend.

azure pewter
cobalt patrol
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380 barrage, i love you, 380 barrage, you're the best, 380 barrage, solving every problem!

Including teamamtes

naive dragon
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🤔

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I want to see four helldivers cast 380 at the same time

cobalt patrol
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While funny, it's pretty wasteful

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1 380 is enough to dramatically drop the threat of a bot drop very signifcnatly

naive dragon
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You all grab 380, 120, walking barrage and throw them all at a single area at the same time

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I cast Enthrongle Framerate

heady halo
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4x(380+120+500kg) = 4000kg bombardment

naive dragon
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Three divers drop on a level 1 doing their first trivial and just level the opfor in an instant

heady halo
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also known as "we just failed an extract high value assets mission but we are GETTING to the extract ship"

tall stone
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Oh, I've chucked bombardments at a problem before!

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That factory strider stood no chance.

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I also didn't want to walk into a heavy automaton base to deal with it.

blissful sparrow
heady halo
tall stone
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nearly 45k on Hellmire.

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pastel igloo
glacial light
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Surely the other 2 bug planets aren't as bad, or there's bug masochists

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Is hellmire the new creek

tall stone
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The opinions I've seen is simple.

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"I've already sunk so much into this planet and I just want it to be done so we don't have to keep going to it."

pastel igloo
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what

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but the whole point of leaving Hellmire is that we aren't taking it

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at least not for the time being

glacial light
tall stone
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Yes.

pastel igloo
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well

tall stone
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The difference is that we actually took the Creek.

pastel igloo
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i wish them luck i guess

glacial light
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Well we got creek when there was an order for it

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I hope we get a fire themed hellmire cape if we get an MO for it

naive dragon
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To be fair if they get hellmire I'll vote in favor of a Never Again Cape with a flaming tornado design

tall stone
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Also to be fair to the Hellmire people.

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There's only 2 Bug worlds now.

pastel igloo
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we could totally take Omicron if the Hellmire folk chipped in

naive dragon
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I can't wait to see how illuminates play btw

tall stone
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Omicron would be done today or tomorrow if the Hellmire folks went there, yeah.

glacial light
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Geez that's only 2 bug worlds

ionic holly
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Apologies for just random out of nowhere with this

But man i'm tired of the "oh arrowhead only nerfs, bad devs!" shit

Like, jesus god forbid they do any balancing

pastel igloo
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the diff with bugs and bots is we ain't trying to run bugs off the map

glacial light
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They literally buffed dominator from 200 to 300 damage and a lot of less used weapons like breaker incendiary, shotguns ammo, etc

ionic holly
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Yeah, but they nerfed the slugger so clearly nothing else matters

unreal merlin
ionic holly
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Don't mind the fact it still kills most fodder pretty comfortably and is still heavily used from what i saw in my time with quick play

tall stone
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124k on the Bug front spread across 2 worlds, vs 93k on the Bot front across 7 worlds.

glacial light
ionic holly
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but yeah i bring this up cause i got this shit thrown at me

very-hyped-for-the-patch-said-to-be-tweaking-24-weapons-v0-mlbaekvmh9xc1.webp
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Like
chill man you're legit jumping at shadows

pastel igloo
glacial light
tall stone
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The autocannon is in a good spot tbh

pastel igloo
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i'm a big bot fan but if it's a major order it's a major order, i'll do a few missions at least

ionic holly
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Oh yeah no, i sincerely doubt autocannon will ever be hit

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and respectfully if someone thinks the patriot is getting nerfed they really might need some help

tall stone
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I am thrilled that the Patriot costs so much, because it means I could get it last and never have to use the damn thing.

ionic holly
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Like, i enjoy the patriot, don't get me wrong
but it's already very much on the limited use side

glacial light
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Patriot is not autocannon levels but it's in a good spot after they fixed rocket devastator rockets. It tanks well on bots now

ionic holly
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Really? will have to try

glacial light
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I can step on like 7 mines and be fine(guess how I figured out 7 is the limit)

ionic holly
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i tend to stick to bugs with it since bugs don't pack AT gear

tall stone
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Great against bugs.

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But I like playing against bots.

ionic holly
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specially if you know how to stun chargers

naive dragon
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I love bots

tall stone
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I'm a bot player.

ionic holly
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I don't really have a particularly preference to either faction, i fight to fight

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Drop me in, i don't care what it's against

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I'll kill it.

tall stone
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Bugs overwhelm me just a bit.

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Too much going on.

glacial light
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Patriot is better against bugs it takes like an extra half second to kill bots with the MG so you bring through ammo quick compared to bugs

pastel igloo
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i don't like chargers

tall stone
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Also as I've said here before, I run a lot.

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Bugs like to stop me from running.

pastel igloo
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keep being told i can kill them with whatever but whenever i try i end up dying

tall stone
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Ergo, fuck 'em

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Oh no, one of my friends has just disappointed me.

glacial light
tall stone
ionic holly
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Also, i don't know if mission objective striders are tanky or what, but i think they patched out the cluster instant kill on striders

tall stone
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Nah, it's just finnicky.

keen zinc
tall stone
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It's not always easy to dodge the chargers until you get it.

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They do turn pretty well.

ionic holly
# tall stone Nah, it's just finnicky.

Noted, thanks

i will say i ended up landing on it after i died, dropped a 500 on top of it and just hopped to a cliff right by it, shit was cool as hell

keen zinc
glacial light
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The secret is not to make them overturn, cause if you go directly perpendicular they will slam you suddenly but if you like forward and slightly to the side it whiffs you

keen zinc
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It depends on how you are trying to dodge

glacial light
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No need to even dodge

keen zinc
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If you are trying to dodge, you will fail

tall stone
keen zinc
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The key is not to dodge

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And no

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The answer is to simply walk around them

tall stone
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I run towards and just off to their side, yeah.

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It's how I get the soft bit with my eruptor.

keen zinc
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I don't even run

tall stone
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Something something only god himself will stop me from running.

keen zinc
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And I don't worry about trying to go towards them, it's unnecessary

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You can just sidestep them

tall stone
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I run towards them because Eruptor.

keen zinc
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I generally just kill chargers with EATs but if it isn't possible I generally just sidestep them and kill with impact grenades

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Impact Grenades delivered underneath them, not into them.

tall stone
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Ahhh, I don't run impacts. And my support weapon is taken up by Stalwart or Laser Cannon usually.

keen zinc
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Punisher + Jump Pack + EAT

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I take this for basically everything

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Mission Accomplisher

tall stone
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Eruptor+Stalwart/Laser Cannon+Open back to be polite.

pastel igloo
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i generally run Quasar

keen zinc
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I'll run quasar on bot bunkers

pastel igloo
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i generally play bots and it's useful for that

alpine seal
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i'm pretty sure the reason the majority's going back to bug planets is because it's not really that clear we have to take both for the major order

keen zinc
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I like killing things with the EAT pod

tall stone
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It is exceptionally clear we need both.

alpine seal
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player base saw "oh pick one stratagem" and picked one stratagem

keen zinc
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You can use it to kill fabricators really frequently and that saves on grenades

tall stone
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It says "Liberate Penta and Choohe"

keen zinc
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Just toss the beacon into the hatch and the pod will kill it

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And you get two eats as garnish

tall stone
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I know average reading comprehension isn't great, but it's and

keen zinc
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Who cares

tall stone
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Also part of it is today's personal order is to kill bile spewers.

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After the monumental accomplishment of the defend 10 planets success, it feels a bit bad that we're going to fail one that is "Liberate 2"

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Even if the math works out to 4 because supply lines.

keen zinc
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I'm sorry for you

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I think it's hilarious

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The proximity one is a big example of my problem with how it works rn

glacial light
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Cluster on a stick seems great for wiping out patrols before they can call in reinforcements

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Basically a great preemptive delete button for the pubbies would otherwise run into one

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I've learned not to ping patrols in pub games because it means someone will shoot at it a nanosecond later

tall stone
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It does wipe patrols great.

tall stone
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I was looking at the Galactic Map, and one of the planets that leads to Super Earth is Klen Dahth II

glacial light
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Finally the RAT (reusable anti tank)

tall stone
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That sparks joy

oblique storm
naive dragon
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I love this

tired crystal
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bars

tall nova
glacial light
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I just saw a funny idea on reddit, you should be able to use jump pack while diving so you yeet yourself 50 feet horizontally

sour whale
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that would be very funny. especially when you inevitable smack into a wall and break all your bones

glacial light
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For liber-tea!

heady halo
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ive been wanting jetpack 2: this time its turned 90 degrees as a seperate drop

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it has like, 2 smaller charges

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hit it once to dash forwards

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hit it twice to hurl yourself 50 feet

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hold it down to run at faster than standard speed

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its blurb is like

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"through the high tech development of 90 degree wall mounting brackets and some screws, our scientists have made new leaps and bounds in personal transportation technology"

tall stone
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I desire the zoomies.

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Let me run faster, Super Earth.

heady halo
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give us the russian explosion powered pogo shoes

glacial light
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My one true desire in Helldivers

tall stone
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Let me punch bots to death, Super Earth.

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Give me rocket skates, a shield, and a good melee weapon, and I will do it.

glacial light
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HD1 had a saber and bayonet it's right there

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Helldivers 3 will be an open world survival game with thrist and hunger mechanics and you have to call in fast food stratagems

civic apex
unkempt river
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<@&1206091872716595200> Time to spill oil!

dusk agate
unkempt river
civic apex
unkempt river
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It's also much better into bots than bugs

cobalt patrol
dusk agate
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I just found that it didn't have enough armor pen to use right, but maybe I needed to get better at aiming for weak spots?

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I also admit, I was using it on bugs and finding that there was simply too much meat to chew through

cobalt patrol
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<@&1206091872716595200> Awoogah. Awwogah. Warning. Warning. Patch INcoming. Patch Incoming.

quartz cloak
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What? When

cobalt patrol
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SOON.

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anytime from ten minutes from now to in the next couple of hours, devs are awake and it's monday for them

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and they're talking about it on the discord

quartz cloak
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Ahh, good, I'll be waiting

steady flameBOT
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Patch?!

cobalt patrol
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P A T C H

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#1102974169601278123 message

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Not even gonna try link the whole thing as it's huge

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MG-101 Heavy Machine Gun
Third person crosshair enabled

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@keen zinc weeping in joy

unkempt river
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<@&1206091872716595200> anybody up for 8/9s when my game is updated

orchid pulsar
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sure

honest acorn
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Good shit

rotund marten
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OK, quasar deserved it

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blitzer being juiced is fun

supple siren
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So many good QoL changes too

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Wanna see how headshot-armor stacks up

quartz cloak
cobalt patrol
quartz cloak
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Finally

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Spear's still shagged, won't stop me from using it though

supple siren
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That Spear thing has to be keeping some devs up at night

hexed steeple
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sickle nerf is very funny to me, i don't think i've ever gone more than 3 reloads before stumbling on some ammo

rotund marten
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I keep trying to buy SCs for the next warbond because I figure I've had enough hours out of this game to justify it

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but steam does not want to let me

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also RIP killing scout striders with the Scorcher, at least if I've read that right

honest acorn
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lol get fucked stalwart

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hexed steeple
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lmao

honest acorn
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Fr though - why

hexed steeple
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idk 💀

quartz cloak
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They forgor, presumably

hexed steeple
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they should just remove all hitmarkers from the game instead wonk

quartz cloak
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Honestly I agree

supple siren
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Fixed issue where Stalkers became very visible in fog.

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Ah, terrifying

quartz cloak
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Aaand the Helldivers discord is all livid for some reason

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Of course

quick plinth
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APW-1 Anti-Material Rifle and MG-206 Heavy Machine Gun now trigger hitmarkers while scoped in.

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@keen zinc

honest acorn
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The HMG is gonna rip now

quartz cloak
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Honestly the HMG might be quite more useable now

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Jinx

honest acorn
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It was really good except for the awkwardness

quartz cloak
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I might swap to it for bot missions now, not sure what I'll take as primary, probably the Defender

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I mean, the HMG can reliably kill Devastators if I recall

supple siren
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Was the crossbow overperforming that much?

honest acorn
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It can kill hulks

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The HMG not the Xbow

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But the Xbow was really good

quartz cloak
cobalt patrol
quartz cloak
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The smaller explosion radius will also help as it stops yourself from exploding

honest acorn
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Yeah it’s not much of a nerf

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They’re just hitting all the 12 mag weapons

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Which makes sense to me it was quasi-infinite

supple siren
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Yeah the Eruptor was whack with 12

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And made it almost too easy to clear nests

unkempt river
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Receiving friend requests now gives the player a pop up.
!!

royal lantern
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Oh I'm really interested to see how quickly the senator reloads now

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It was a little agonizing

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Also interested to see how slight the laser cannon buff is

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Because I liked it before even if it wasn't actually very efficient vs the autocannon

steady flameBOT
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On the one hand, good patch. On the other hand, jealous I can't use any of the guns from the last two patches, and am considering paying like £4 to get one of them. x.x

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Also I'm dead tired.

quick plinth
orchid pulsar
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eepycan

stone bridge
junior badge
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This patch overall looks bloody amazing.

alpine seal
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sad to see spear and fire still aren't fixed yet, but next week is not so long away

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probably a case of overblown expectations

junior badge
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Like... Almost all the buffs I wanted to see, with the missing ones still listed as being worked on, very fair and minor nerfs where needed, and a whole bunch of QoL changes and bugs fixed.

alpine seal
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arc shotgun 50% rate of fire up and railgun getting some of its AP back are some big improvements flying under the radar, i'm excited to try those out

junior badge
# alpine seal probably a case of overblown expectations

Yeah. The team clearly put out a lot of great work here, so I have renewed confidence that they'll get to the rest eventually. But there's still a tiny voice going "aw, but they didn't fix stalwart and spear". Which I know isn't really fair.

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And so I'm mostly excited.

alpine seal
#

adjudicator recoil control is also great news

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i've been maining the diligence on bots for awhile and seeing the marksman rifles get a bit extra just helps

junior badge
#

I love the sickle (and quasar) finally getting to shoot through foliage.

alpine seal
#

biggest buff of the patch

junior badge
#

Unironically yes xD

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Although yeah, the DMR buffs and the HMG crosshair are also gonna be pretty big, I'd expect.

alpine seal
#

with the senator changes it's a tough choice between grenade pistol's utility and the revolver coolness factor for me

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i always bring stuns for bots so giving up base kill is a lot for me, but lining up weakpoints is a blast with the senator

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okay the arc shotgun goes hard vs. bugs now

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went from a mediocre pocket tool to a super reliable add clearer

supple siren
#

That's good to hear, it was like comically slow

alpine seal
#

totally crumpled vs. a stalker but those take entire mags for guns on a good day, not surprised

supple siren
#

I can't believe how thoroughly the Eruptor devastates them but it's really making it hard to not take it for bugs ( not that i mind, love you Eruptor )

alpine seal
#

stripped a charger's leg with 3 railgun shots

stone bridge
south temple
#

i can’t wait for HMG gaming

stone bridge
#

we're so back

alpine seal
#

admittedly i had it on unsafe so it's probably some of the overflow going into that

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but it does feel like the railgun is back

short rune
#

Wrong direction in my humble opinion.

stone bridge
#

it always could be put in full auto my guy

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it just starts in that by default

short rune
#

Yes

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But I feel like burst would have been better

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It's a battle rifle

stone bridge
#

i don't particularly see your point when the G3 and FAL are also battle rifles

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and have full auto settings

short rune
#

True

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What does the second thing for the Eruptor mean?

quick plinth
stone bridge
#

explosion damage starts off at max and drops the further away from the center the unit hit is

short rune
#

Oh

stone bridge
#

that drop happens faster now

quick plinth
#

the airburst is still very mid

short rune
#

So no more ghost hits from splash against heavy armour

south temple
#

shame that the bolter’s damage is down

quick plinth
#

I mean 300 wsa a lot

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275 isn't that much of a reduction

south temple
#

that’s true yeah

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the dominator senator hmg gaming is gonna FUCK

naive dragon
#
  • Railgun buff
  • Senator buff
    We're so back
south temple
#

the senator speed loader is the only thing i care abt

royal lantern
#

I do honestly wish they'd given the Plas Punisher a little more juice

stone bridge
#

They did

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lol

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Faster projectile speed and decreased explosion falloff

royal lantern
#

OH I misread it as increased explosion fall off

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That said, I feel like they could have also flattened the trajectory even a little bit. I'm someone who loves grenade launchers in any game but it felt like it had a more aggressive drop than grenades you throw by hand

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But I'll still give it a go again, its my favorite weapon in the game conceptually even if it was a little bit of an up hill battle before

short rune
#

If they ever add the AR-19 Variant of the liberator.

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I would be happy

junior badge
#

It is a really aggressive drop, but maybe a little easier to handle now.

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I'm looking forward to how the LC and scythe will feel now.

short rune
#

Also M2016 in six months hopefully.

junior badge
#

Because I've been using the LC a bunch, and it felt mostly fine, so I'm hella curious what this change brings, and I used to main the scythe for a while, before the sickle came out.

quartz cloak
#

So, the Scythe

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It's just 50 damage but holy hell it makes a difference

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At least against bots it is now remarkably scary

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It melts the faces off of Devastators no questions asked, and kills basically everything that's not a Hulk

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Or a tank, of course

oblique hazel
#

top tier vs factory striders though

quick plinth
#

factory striders are much less of an issue compared to BTs and that's kind of annoying

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like you'd imagine the bots would have some big thing that's gonna break your strategy

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but largely its the berserkers

oblique hazel
#

eh, tbh I think thats partly due to them being new and getting targetted hard bc of it

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if you can't kill them fast the devastators they shit out can become quite a problem

short rune
#

If the scythe had a bit more ammo it would be a LMG

quick plinth
#

anyone tell me if they test out the liberator concussive more than I did (one bot extermination which really isnt the ideal environment) im curious if it deals okay damage now, because the stagger it can do could be invaluable

graceful bluff
#

Senator players keep winning

alpine seal
#

scythe feels okay vs. bugs but they don't really have the weak point priority bots do. now that the dagger is an actual gun i'll see how it does as well

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beautiful head popper, less ammunition so it's a bit finicky

naive dragon
#

Arc shotgun slaps now

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Fire rate increase very much felt

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I didn't notice much about railgun except that I think you don't need to overcharge to drop striders

alpine seal
#

diligence counter sniper's handling is a significant improvement, it's very similar to the railgun

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speaking of - new railgun can punch through hulk eyes easy but it really struggles against tanks still, took several shots to get through a cannon turret

naive dragon
#

I love my railgun

sinful bay
graceful bluff
#

it got buffed

sinful bay
#

Me to the autocannon:
I don't want to play with you anymore

graceful bluff
#

queso also got hit with an extra 5 seconds recharge

sinful bay
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My sweet baby boy, what they did to it?!

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Is not that bad honestly, for an infinite big boom weapon yeah

short rune
#

Whats the next weapon you folks want to see?

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Of the old roster

sinful bay
#

Chainsword

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ah
Sword

short rune
#

Give us the sabre. ^^

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There was in fact one

sinful bay
#

You can add light to it, we won't complain

short rune
#

People turning Helldivers into Darktide

sinful bay
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mobility in helldivers is better than darktide, so nha -runs

keen zinc
#

I'm so upset

short rune
#

Getting back bayonets would be really neat tho

sinful bay
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make Melee actually useful

modest fiber
#

it is quite funny melee killing a larger enemy tho with just your rifle butt

sinful bay
#

Oh! A handgun with a supressor would be neat too

short rune
#

Suppressed weapons so I no longer have to gunstock-stealth-kill foes

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There IIRC is a suppressed liberator in the works.

modest fiber
#

i think its on the works, or at least it was leaked

short rune
#

^^^

alpine seal
#

the trident

short rune
#

Wasnt the trident a laser rifle?

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A shotgun

burnt vapor
#

laser shotgun

short rune
#

Yeh

alpine seal
#

lasers are good, shotguns are good, laser shotgun will see 90% usage before getting a substantial nerf about a month later

sinful bay
#

sad

alpine seal
#

but i'm down for the release high

sinful bay
#

a proper gasmask helmet too since we are adding baioneets

short rune
#

Are they?

sinful bay
#

adding on this conversation

short rune
#

Ah

keen zinc
#

Liberator buffed

short rune
#

AR-19 variant. 25% more damage, 1 more clip per mag and a better scope

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IIRC

alpine seal
#

the M2024 constitution better come with a bayonet in the distant future of october 26th

short rune
#

M2024?

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Is this a more advanced M2016?

alpine seal
#

probably what it'll be called going by release date naming

keen zinc
#

What does this mean

burnt vapor
#

Spore Trees I think

alpine seal
#

i... assume those are the smoke bulbs???

modest fiber
short rune
#

Melee shovel

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Gimme a machete

sinful bay
modest fiber
#

its funny to me

short rune
#

Arden's helmet.

sinful bay
short rune
#

Replaced 500 KG bombs with Hellbombs.

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The friendly fire will be legendary

sinful bay
#

Friendly fire + 380mm name a more iconic duo

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I wish I could cancel the 380mm , sometimes they do their job and them they just
Continue

alpine seal
#

mission modifier that seeds every POI as an undetonated hellbomb

sinful bay
#

Wish that was it.
The missions modifiers are mostly unfun
"Wait more for stratagems"
"Less 1 stratagem slot"
"Less stratagems"

alpine seal
#

stuff like DRG's mission modifiers would add a lot of replayability i feel

short rune
#

People that use 380 mm and mortars will be banned from each season.

alpine seal
#

maps that spawn way more of a specific enemy type could be fun to adapt to / bring specialized loadouts

short rune
#

Oops, all Berserkers

sinful bay
sinful bay
short rune
#

I have seen people throwing 380 at a nest and after the barrage everything around it was destroyed but the nest.

alpine seal
#

i get there are a few mini variations like bile spewers or jetpack dudes but some wild shit like Every Brood Commander And Above Spawn Is Replaced With More Hunters

short rune
#

Jetpack raiders

sinful bay
alpine seal
#

just absolute starship troopers simulator

sinful bay
#

/j

strange vine
sinful bay
#

also yeah the 380 can be very hit or miss, I been having sucess with it using on large bot bases

alpine seal
#

explosive crossbow got some weird changes so that plasma punisher could live

quartz cloak
#

I just realised the Dominator got partially un-buffed

sinful bay
#

Is the Punisher untouched?

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The Punisher is my confort food

quartz cloak
#

The standard one? Untouched

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The plasma one got generally readjusted

tall stone
# keen zinc

Oh my god, yes. Gunships won't be as prevalent now.

sinful bay
heady halo
#

oh hell yeah new mission

blissful sparrow
#

damn nice 😌 i love that mission, the music feels so good

heady halo
#

yessssssss

image.png
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sentry time

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BLESS THE DEVS

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#

ROCKET JUMP TIME

sinful bay
#

Rocket jump
ROCKET
JUMP

short rune
#

I hated that

keen zinc
glacial light
#

Blitzer's + Senator is back on the menu? And I was starting to enjoy the Eruptor too

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Ooo and heavy armor now reduces headshot damage?!

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Or armor 100+

ionic holly
#

SPEAR STAGED RELOADDDDD

quartz cloak
#

Wait what

sinful bay
tall stone
#

The Eruptor magazine nerf was needed. I was never in danger of running out of ammo on it.

short rune
#

Eruptor is still fine. All thats gone are the ghost hit markers from doing mild splashing.

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And yes, the mags capacity was too big

sinful bay
short rune
#

I never got to shoot all 12

ionic holly
#

Adjudicator buffs all seemed very nice

keen zinc
glacial light
#

Oh nice Airburst rockets also seemingly got fixed

ionic holly
#

Innit light gunner 100 exact though?

keen zinc
#

Same as most mediums

ionic holly
#

Yeah but if its 100+ then that means it gets no benefits, yeah?

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101 and up do

keen zinc
#

I assume it means 100 and up

ionic holly
#

Shrug

keen zinc
#

Since that would exclude light armor

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But not the Light Gunner babie

ionic holly
#

Hopefully
either way even more reason to stay glued to my dynamo armour

keen zinc
#

Also wasn't the spear lock on supposed to be fixed this patch too?

short rune
#

Now we need airburst hellbombs.

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As Stratagems

ionic holly
#

so spear only got staged reload

glacial light
#

I would assume reduced headshot damage was meant to exclude default light armor

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With the 100+ but I'm not that sure

short rune
#

Also a petition to make helldivers yell "Backblast area clear" when they reload their launcher weapons.

unreal merlin
heady halo
ionic holly
tall stone
#

One of my friends has gotten curmudgeonly about one particular patch change.

ionic holly
#

oh by reduced recoil on the adjudicator they mean they removed it

tall stone
#

"Patrol spawning has been increased when there are fewer than 4 players. The fewer the players the bigger the change. For 4 player missions there will be no change compared to before.The biggest noticeable change will be for solo players at higher difficulties"

ionic holly
#

I mean
oh no, you cant just slither your way through high difficulty missions

short rune
#

Yeah, that was a bit broken.

sinful bay
#

I mean
it was part of the fun and challenge to go full stealth...

ionic holly
#

Not gonna remark cause i dont wanna say something rude

short rune
#

Avoiding reporting is just as stealthy as avoiding detection.

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Proper ambush tactics and such

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Doesnt work with randos of course

keen zinc
#

I have to inspect this

short rune
#

But running stealth on helldive was a bit broken.

tall stone
#

He also complained about there being too many weapon nerfs to force people to use other weapons.

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🙄

short rune
#

Oh no. It's one of those

ionic holly
#

w-
almost every weapon that got nerfed saw a buff at the same time though?

short rune
#

folks

unreal merlin
#

Some simply cannot be pleased

strange vine
#

im pretty sure you can still stealth out a higher level mission, itll just be a bit more spicy

short rune
#

It's the sort of players that only ran railguns prior to their first nerf

ionic holly
#

Also, the numbers on that increased blitzer fire rate doesnt do it justice

#

its so much faster now

strange vine
unreal merlin
#

Good, it was unusable previously

strange vine
#

phrasing it as "30 rpm to 45 rpm" undersells it greatly

ionic holly
#

Ehhhh no

tall stone
ionic holly
#

it was usable, just only on bugs

keen zinc
#

Amko eating good today

strange vine
#

its still only usable with bugs imo

ionic holly
#

I say this as someone who brought it into helldive

unreal merlin
#

I assume now it can properly staggerlock at least 1-2 enemies

strange vine
#

the hard range limit is bad vs bots

tall stone
#

Yeah, it's a good patch so far

keen zinc
#

Depends on you tactics

ionic holly
#

I mean
alright?
some guns for bugs, some for bots, simple as

keen zinc
#

I am a jump trooper

strange vine
tall stone
#

Even if my primary weapon got nerfed

keen zinc
#

I used old Blitzer against bots and still solod command bunkers on Suicide

short rune
#

I still mourn for the Judy being turned into an AR. But otherwise its good.

ionic holly
#

I mean it kinda was if we're honest

strange vine
#

appaently its really good against bugs now

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also the diligence CS can bodyshot troopers and 1 shot dev heads apparently

ionic holly
#

Adjudicator? yeah it feels like a proper workhorse now

unreal merlin
tall stone
#

The liberator buff made me happy

ionic holly
#

Liberator buff is a surprise but a good one

keen zinc
#

Lib buff is nice

tall stone
#

Oh, right. Quasar did just get nerfed

strange vine
#

adjudicator was alright before, it suffered from too much recoil and too little ammo, but i think the changes should really spiff it up

ionic holly
#

Keeps in line with arrowhead wanting more horizontal power balance

strange vine
#

quasar is gonna be fine tbf

short rune
strange vine
#

you just pull your primary out a bit longer

ionic holly
#

Yeah, now the other launchers have something over quasar again

strange vine
unreal merlin
ionic holly
#

well, they had what they did before, just more notable

tall stone
#

Tbf, I never left EATs

unreal merlin
#

Also BLESSED that the sickle and quasar don't get stopped by foliage now

ionic holly
short rune
#

I use disposables all the time. Even on high difficulties.

unreal merlin
#

Yeah EATs were always good, I just preferred not having to call them down all the time

tall stone
#

EAT is just good

unreal merlin
#

Hence quasar

ionic holly
#

I tried the spear once and have never looked back

#

its my beloved

tall stone
#

Strat jammer are a pain tho

sinful bay
#

Tho where the new RPG-7 will stand on the new stratagems when the honeymoon goes away?

ionic holly
#

Would never reccomend it to anyone else though

ionic holly
tall stone
ionic holly
#

Mhm, no other launcher can patrol clear so it has that

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Spear staged reload is nice but its as loose as they could get for staging

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it tracks if you pulled out the prior rocket or not, beyond that its still the reload

#

Also XXXL weapons bay makes my cluster bombs even more loved

helps that for some reason my friends find me to be the only one trustworthy with them

sinful bay
keen zinc
#

HMG time is now for Amko

#

Jump pack HMG

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Flying with a fifty

#

This weekend gonna be fun

#

Thursday can't come soon enough

#

Big question: <@&1206091872716595200> does the Stalwart have hitmarkers

quick crown
#

Speedloader on empty is a decent change to the senator

ionic holly
#

Protip by the way, do not fuckin go into the steam discussion forums
shit is good for a laugh but it is depressing to see all the whiners

quick crown
#

And of course the damage increase

keen zinc
#

Reddit too

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Whining

tall stone
heady halo
#

not yet

#

another patch is coming next week

orchid pulsar
#

no

keen zinc
graceful bluff
#

later this week but yes

tall stone
hexed steeple
#

stay stalwart

keen zinc
#

Do we know what's coming next patch?

#

Or just speculation

graceful bluff
#

more fixes

tall stone
#

Hopefully Spear Fix

keen zinc
#

Stalwart hitmarkers are my hill to die on

graceful bluff
#

generally fixes that wasn't finished in time for this patch, including more rpg-7 fixes

keen zinc
#

Source?

graceful bluff
#

I think it was pilestedt or the official twitter, one of the two

keen zinc
#

Any information about the Stalwart should be @d to me

ionic holly
#

Im still trying to figure out what game some of these folk could be coming from that buy into the "no nerfs only buffs" nonsense

#

Like, call me old fashioned but i have seen the negative for only buffing far too many times

graceful bluff
#

Buff everything

#

Including the enemies :v

strange vine
#

autocannon now takes ~4 shots to the front plate or 2 shots to the hip of a scout strider to kill it

graceful bluff
#

Especially the enemies

ionic holly
#

To be fair they did actually buff some enemies now
see example from destiny

keen zinc
#

Striders did not need buffing with how often they show up

runic cairn
#

<@&1206091872716595200> bored wanna dive?

keen zinc
#

Worming

azure pewter
ionic holly
#

Im gonna see it action before i judge the strider changes

keen zinc
#

I usually kill them via impact grenades or flanking

#

If the senator becomes meta I might have to stop using it

cobalt patrol
keen zinc
cobalt patrol
#

Like the scorcher plows through them just fine still

ionic holly
#

Hm, alright
good, not a joke anymore

keen zinc
#

Striders have always been my hard counter

#

I either impact grenade them or am forced to rush them to flank

ionic holly
#

Ive always just oneshotted the driver 9 times out of 10

keen zinc
#

I am a jump trooper with a shotgun

#

But if the HMG is good now

#

I may be fine

ionic holly
#

I mean the only thing they did to the HMG was give it crosshairs i think

#

so its functionally the same

keen zinc
#

Literally the only thing it needed

#

Was to be aimable

graceful bluff
#

being able to aim it in third person is a huge buff yeah

ionic holly
#

You guys had trouble aiming it?

keen zinc
#

Its a great gun if you can actually connect shots without waste

ionic holly
#

i
hm

#

I never struggled

keen zinc
#

👍

#

Glad for you

ionic holly
#

thats
not how i meant that, sorry

keen zinc
#

I am old and work full time and lack the neuroplasticity to intuit gunplay in games like I used to

ionic holly
#

Amko im 35.

keen zinc
#

You are a superhuman

ionic holly
#

No im not

keen zinc
#

What does that make me

ionic holly
#

Skilled elsewhere

orchid pulsar
#

Grandpa

keen zinc
#

I am a skilled sleeper

ionic holly
#

Sides i do have the gun brand of autism

keen zinc
#

I have the gun brand of violent mental adaption

#

I'm 29 but I also have hit my head a lot

ionic holly
#

Oh dude same
head go bump

#

but yeah still, glad for the those it'll help

keen zinc
#

Bradley hitting a ditch at combat speed Muchly

#

Helmet only do so much

unreal merlin
#

I'm sure there's some joke to be made about the most skilled Helldivers having brain damage but I'm not prepared to workshop it at the moment

ionic holly
#

Hey we're the ones lackin'

#

brain space to ask high command questions

keen zinc
#

My rl training comes in handy in Helldivers sometimes so that's handy

azure pewter
#

Concussion gang let’s goooooo

unreal merlin
#

There's a degree of "fuck it just solve the problem" that I think really shines out in helldiver activity

keen zinc
#

It leads to frustration in groups though cuz of people not keeping their cool, awareness, or focus in combat

azure pewter
#

I was perfectly cool when I double tapped you

ionic holly
keen zinc
ionic holly
keen zinc
#

I can be abrasive in groups because I'm like "stop acting like chickens with your heads cut off, god damn it"

#

Getting shot at just means focus up

tall stone
#

Did the shot kill you? No? Keep going then.

keen zinc
#

NO FEAR HERE

tall stone
#

I fucking love working on objectives in the middle of pitched firefights.

#

Rockets, lasers, and bullets can be flying past me, and I'll just plug away at a terminal.

keen zinc
#

Assault the objective! I say as Toaster throws a 380 at a lone scavenger

ionic holly
#

Amko i fucking
i hate how much i relate to you, no disrespect meant, because i can be the same way, my friend group tends to get spooked by a lot of specials

azure pewter
#

I’m more of a cheerfully wander into problems and then find a inefficient but very funny solution

keen zinc
#

I play with people here and always have to check myself being rude over people not keeping their heads in chaos

#

It's ingrained in me promptercry

tall stone
#

Turns out that the 380 is a great problem solver, and I am not afraid to chuck one at my feet and run.

keen zinc
#

Toasters 380s are Amko Seeking

#

He can put it 60m away from me and it'll still bullseye me

tall stone
#

All 380s are player seeking first.

keen zinc
#

I need to be better about my mission first mindset

ionic holly
#

I wanna get atmo monitoring and maybe try 380s again

keen zinc
#

I catch myself being rude to Death, Cass, Toaster, etc, over things that are only game

ionic holly
keen zinc
#

Soldier brain says never stop complaining

#

Always be shouting

#

Go go go move out follow me assault through go go go

ionic holly
#

Fair, just wanted to offer somethin' is all

crystal badger
#

Can't recall you ever being rude to me

keen zinc
#

Imperial Guard squad in Dawn of War voice lines

#

GO GO GO STORM THEM GO GO GO ASSAULT THE OBJECTIVE GO GO GO

azure pewter
#

Your combo of yelling and jump pack all over makes you the funny yelling moth man in my head

short rune
#

They should add more voice actors

#

Maybe unlockable ones

keen zinc
#

My brain is forever hardwired into "the mission, the men, then me"

#

So when someone does something silly and dies I feel partly responsible

#

A failure of command and control

strange vine
#

oh yeah countersniper fucks now
fun to use

keen zinc
#

I am excited to use the normal Diligence again

#

125 damage might put it on the other side of small target breakpoints

#

If it can now reliably one tap light enemies, it might become a frequent equip for me

azure pewter
#

I kinda thought it could before?

keen zinc
#

Kinda

#

Not always

heady halo
keen zinc
#

Glances and different armor zones would often put it just under a kill

heady halo
#

instead of bundling it with game language settings

#

also this would have to automatically turn on subtitles but thats fine i think

keen zinc
#

Random language option for spawning

#

So your Helldivers have random different voices

short rune
#

Shouts in Spanish

keen zinc
#

Grenata!

orchid pulsar
#

<@&1206091872716595200> whos down to dive

keen zinc
#

Work :(

azure pewter
#

What he said

ionic holly
#

i wanna be a german diver damnit

orchid pulsar
#

yeeeh :(

heady halo
keen zinc
#

Gotta wait till Thursday to test new changes

heady halo
#

maybe later diving but for now i gotta. not move

#

had to move all my white goods units

orchid pulsar
#

aight thursday then

azure pewter
heady halo
#

i may be stupid

keen zinc
#

Get some rest

keen zinc
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Wait

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THE PEACEMAKER

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IT WAS BUFFED

orchid pulsar
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seems to be a recuring trait in this discord

azure pewter
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I’ve been voluntold to drive 2 hours north and cover a different service area for today and we already have a run back down having not even arrived yet

orchid pulsar
keen zinc
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WTF are people smoking saying all nerfs

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Almost every primary weapon has a damage buff

azure pewter
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Idk I try and avoid all buff/nerf discourse for that reason

hexed steeple
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adopting a no buffs only nerfs stance out of spite

blissful sparrow
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Doubling all numbers in the game, except some only increase by like 90% each time you want to nerf those things

runic cairn
blissful sparrow
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patch 37, liberator now does 300000000000 damage per shot, but Hunters have 30000000000600 hp

trail nymph
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Adjudicator hype

heady halo
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im hype to play later

supple siren
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And like 80% of the nerfs were to max ammo people are griping like mad

keen zinc
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It's telling

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tall stone
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I cannot think of a time where I used 6 magazines on the Eruptor, much less all 12

supple siren
ionic holly
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Jokes aside yeah dunno

keen zinc
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Ukrainian voice pack and it just Stalker voice lines

tall stone
keen zinc
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BRATYA MONOLIT

GRENATA

heady halo
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activated hellbomb "GET OUT OF HERE DIVER!"

ionic holly
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STALKER crossover that just turns helldivers into monolith

keen zinc
blissful sparrow
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"Heilige Freiheit, mein Bein!"

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"Demokratie braucht schwere Geschütze!"

keen zinc
sinful bay
cobalt patrol
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For folks curious, from the devs:

"ergonomics is basically how "heavy" the gun feels, how quick it is to scope in and move around the scope while aiming it, etc"

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ionic holly
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Yeah

tall stone
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It's a good patch to be sure

sinful bay
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Agreed.
People gonna bitch because change always

cobalt patrol
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Also the Explosive Crossbow is supposed to be in the Dominator/Scorcher range for Armor pen

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(This from Alexus, Bringer of Balance, the dev who talks about balance on the discord)

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He's looking into if it's just missing the tag or if it's genuinely broken

ionic holly
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Its the people that try and act like we only get nerfs that really get to me

tall stone
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The only thing I am leery about is the extra 5 seconds on Quasar.

unreal merlin
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The other day I watched people argue about the exact mechanics of automaton AI target priority and how a Hulk will decide which player to turn to and chase depending on who's threatening its vents and who's plinking off its armor.

The whole time my thought was "who gives a shit, just blow it up with a 500kg or in the eye or shoot the back and move on with your life"

Like, in the heat of the moment do you really think "if I do X the enemy will do Y and foil plan Z"? I sure don't, I just drop an airstrike on the area and turn to the next problem

ionic holly
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Yeah no, this isnt command and conquer man
In the moment is the best way to play

pastel igloo
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less talk more action

cobalt patrol
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it sharpens the d ifference between it and the recoiless more

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and it's still good being a RR/EAT that doesnt consume ammo

pastel igloo
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that's gonna hurt a bit

sour whale
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As much as I love the Quasar, it was a bit too strong, yeah

pastel igloo
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oh well

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i'm not going to stop using quasar anyways

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it's still preferable

ionic holly
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Which i wanna mention
the guard dog, quasar, redeemer, sickle, and dominator are the ONLY things that saw purely nerfs

3 of which are VERY minor

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pastel igloo
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how did sickle get nerfed?

ionic holly
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Less ICE

pastel igloo
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?

ionic holly
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down to 3 total, scythe has 4

cobalt patrol
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literally half the mags to reload it if you break it's heatsink

ionic holly
cobalt patrol
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so basically an entire non-issue.

pastel igloo
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oh

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well

ionic holly
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Its called ICE and they specifically do when reloading it so my brain just calls it ice

pastel igloo
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mags weren't exactly an issue to begin with

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i use like

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one a mission on average

ionic holly
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Yeah, its like they dont wanna cripple the weapons and just wanna bring em in line or something

pastel igloo
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if i'm particularly unlucky i might use two

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so it's not like, a big nerf

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in fact i doubt i'll notice it at all

ionic holly
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Scythe has 4 ICE, and saw a damage uptick

cobalt patrol
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I like it because it adds a cost to mag-dumping with the sickle

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but isnt gonna be... a big deal

quick crown
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The big iron on my hip is going to see WAY more play GunMoth

sour whale
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There’s plenty of ammo pickups around the map too, even if you run out

cobalt patrol
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Rover getting a nerf is great, had it comming and sharpens the difference between it and Guard dog a lot

ionic holly
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and not to mention our, functionally, infinite ammo with resupply

pastel igloo
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the whole point of using the Sickle for me is keeping an eye on the heat and working around it

cobalt patrol
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DOminator nerf is like... lol

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i bet that hcanges very few breakpoints

pastel igloo
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i prefer the sickle to like

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everything else just because it has such a great ammo pool

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so long as you moderate your use you really shouldn't have a problem

ionic holly
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I never clicked with the sickle like others, which is why im very happy with the adjudicator buffs regardless of personal taste

pastel igloo
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well at least i don't need to think about the sickle too much

alpine seal
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i'm a diligence picker myself on bots

tall stone
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Laser cannon got a damage buff, which was great

ionic holly
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Less damage against... large volume bodies? though

pastel igloo
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quasar nerf is going to sting a bit but it was very good

ionic holly
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unsure what that means in practice

pastel igloo
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and it's not like it's got any worse realistically

alpine seal
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it started because i wanted a dark gun instead of the sickle yellow and now i just stick with it maybe to stand out. countersniper also feels good to use

ionic holly
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Mhm, it just makes the more instant applications of the recoilless more noticable

pastel igloo
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yeah

cobalt patrol
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Liberator concussive might actually be quite good now

alpine seal
cobalt patrol
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it's v. funny how it keeps getting buffs

pastel igloo
ionic holly
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Its a little surprising to me because after its last i thought it was in a good place

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Im not one to complain though

pastel igloo
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i just can't give up my infinite ammo from sickle

alpine seal
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targets that take damage but aren't classed as weakpoints

pastel igloo
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i'm not great at aiming and i tend to just mag dump into crowds of enemies

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so sickle works good

ionic holly
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My aim is my life

alpine seal
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sickle's almost lack of recoil is hilarious

pastel igloo
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it is yeah lol

cobalt patrol
ionic holly
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Adjudicator can join in on that lack of recoil now

cobalt patrol
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reportedly it still rips up stuff if you can hit weakpoints

alpine seal
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makes sense

ionic holly
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they basically just removed the recoil for Adju

cobalt patrol
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It was always orginalyl meant to be the "infinte ammo MG"

ionic holly
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Huh, neat

cobalt patrol
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but got the armor pen etc because it was a fantasty issue

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where people expected a laser cannon to melt through stuff

alpine seal
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i noticed the jud having better recoil but i still felt it blooming out in full auto

cobalt patrol
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now the quasar etc

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Re: Libcon getting more buffs - i think part of their idelogy is to really try and sharpen/push something that's underpforming

ionic holly
cobalt patrol
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and then if it overshoots gently bring it back down

pastel igloo
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haven't used the laser cannon in a while

alpine seal
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i still prefer the diligence for bodyshotting troopers but now adjudicator is a legitimate weapon and not a meme, so i'm very glad

ionic holly
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least thats how ive always seen bloom/recoil

alpine seal
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i suppose that's correct yeah

ionic holly
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Shrug, either way i was happy with it before, even more happy now

alpine seal
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fair enough

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the biggest draw over diligence for me is the crosshair sight over circle sight

cobalt patrol
ionic holly
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Well and the full auto since thats basically its main claim to fame as its now an AR

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....which does admittedly put the lib pen in a very precarious spot now as all prior differences are kinda gone between the two

lib pen has more mags ig

cobalt patrol
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Like it murked gunships and hulks pre patch

alpine seal
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devastator heads get a bit clouded with the diligence's first person sight

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gonna try the HMG next now that is has a reticle

ionic holly
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Speaking of gunships
really glad they lowered the cap on how many fabricators can have out

alpine seal
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but all of the buffed weapons i've tried so far have been a slam dunk

ionic holly
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My spear hard counters them but sometimes i just dont have enough ammo and if my teammate with a quasar doesnt yknow
use it on the engines like i have tried to advise him to several times

I sorta run out of ammo

alpine seal
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i think i'm converted to an arc shotgun main for bugs, i can finally hang up the burny breaker and equip an armor that isn't orange