Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[graceful bluff]

so what I could see would be fucking with us using illusory units a la protoss

[honest acorn]

not inverting controls in a TPS is the coward designer's way out

[dusky solar]

the thing i want MOST

is individualized hallucinations

[tall nova]

Thatd make it better imo. So many times I'm desperately trying to take down a shrieker nest and I dont care if I live or die

[dusky solar]

i want to see my teammates shooting into the air

and then maybe shooting at me

XD

[tall nova]

I'm willing to sacrifice myself for democracy if it means taking down those flying bugs

[graceful bluff]

Basically take the only good bit of the deadspace coop

[honest acorn]

Anyway the HD1 thing for illuminate is that they didn't have conventional patrols, they had extremely long ranged snipers who fired a beam which killed everything in its path (but you could dodge) and invisible probes. The probes would teleport in problems

[strange vine]

yeah that was such a great idea

and they did nothing interesting with it in DS3

[honest acorn]

The Illuminate had mostly high HP regenerating shields not armor so bringing AT weapons wasn't very important

And they also had annoying tricky things like homing bullets which inverted your controls and shields which sectioned off the map

[keen zinc]

Client side illusions

[dusky solar]

it'd be so fun

"STOP SHOOTING ME ASSHOLE"

"oh that's you? i thought that was a probe"

[oblique storm]

They better not have that invert shit

[graceful bluff]

Messing with my controls is something that makes me stop playing games

[pastel igloo]

messing with controls is extremely obnoxious

[hot meadow]

correct true and usulbased

[dusky solar]

dune yodeling sting

do you think any form of aerial vehicle could even possibly be balanced?

i don't but man i'd love to fly something in HD2

lol

WHOA

[hexed steeple]

just received 40 + 45 medals for some reason?

[dusky solar]

you can kill chargers in 2 shots with an autocannon

back of the knee

holy craperoni

aight i am converted to autocannon on both factions now LOL what the HECK is this gun

[honest acorn]

I think that might be the turn-around bug

I'm not sure if they fixed it I never really used it much

[dusky solar]

it could be, but then you could just shoot the front of the leg too

[honest acorn]

Yeah its one of those things where I'm not sure if its separate tech or not

[dusky solar]

well, i'm gonna start taking AC vs bugs now for sure

[blissful sparrow]

Join Us 😌

[rare nymph]

I don’t trust my aim enough to do the back of the knee thing, so I just full-auto mag dump into the squishy back

[keen zinc]

I'm gonna hop on in a few for Helldivers

Had to let a headache run it's course

[azure pewter]

That case I won’t join and risk causing another lol

[keen zinc]

Shush u

U are my battle brother

Those that dive with me are my family

[azure pewter]

I jolk I’m at work

[keen zinc]

Saving lives

[azure pewter]

Not really

[meager saffron]

mixing drinks?

[hazy oriole]

Gave the AMR a try vs bots last night, I liked it more than when I tried the Railgun but I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to use it or why I might wanna take it over the Quasar, my current go-to comfort pick (and also something I've grown terribly bored of due to all the damn bot missions in a row I've had to run for the major order)
Anyone got any tips for the thing?

[dusky solar]

2 tap headshots hulks

headshot everything

you need stratagems for objectives though, because it's not quite at that sweet spot of power like the autocannon where it can do everything

it does MOST of the autocannon's combat functionality while letting you bring a backpack such as a jetpack or resupply pack

...or a shield pack who are we kidding

[meager saffron]

it's gotta be shield or laser drone right

and it's best against bots so probably shield so you don't get 1deagd while hardscoping

[dusky solar]

well, bots don't instant kill you anymore nearly as much since rockets got fixed

SO

honestly neither is super necessary AND as i found out from this chat earlier

the Liberator dog is actually better

because it headshots devastators

crazy right?

[meager saffron]

thank you liberals

[dusky solar]

xD

[stoic lotus]

I haven't played in a few days, I should try the gun dog

[undone veldt]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTLSS3E3u/

[honest acorn]

I think the Railgun could use a little help rn

[dusky solar]

yeah

[honest acorn]

With the AMR being so damn good and with such a better optic and ammo economy

And the Quasar being sort of like a "heavy railgun" in role

[dusky solar]

i think it could be as strong as launch, especially if you ignore the ps5 damage bug

[undone veldt]

That could be pushing it tbh

[honest acorn]

Eh, I think the launch one did too many things too well

[meager saffron]

now that AT isn't the be all end all it could use some love

keep the ammo nerf

[dusky solar]

i could see it being too much

[honest acorn]

But more raw damage might be good

[dusky solar]

but i could ALSO see it being fine?

[honest acorn]

If its gonna be shorter ranged and slower firing than the AMR it ought to hit a lot harder

Instead of just "somewhat harder" like it is now

[dusky solar]

i am very curious if we'll get very high difficulties where we're forced to drop with like, ONE stratagem

[meager saffron]

remove safe mode and increase the bonus for redlining more extremely near the end

[undone veldt]

Honestly I feel like giving the railgun more penetration would be really nice

We’re so often running away as a big line forms

[meager saffron]

those are my changes

[undone veldt]

Give it some niches with those situations

[honest acorn]

(Does cross so important break points like 1 shotting hulks and devastators I admit)

[dusky solar]

i think if it could one shot chargers

in the face

that might be too much?

because then why would you run other AT

hm

[honest acorn]

If it staggered chargers maybe

[dusky solar]

that would be sick

[honest acorn]

Since the Arc Thrower can it just only has 35 meters of range and might kill allies while doing it

[dusky solar]

some method to shut down charger charges besides bubble shield would be so cool

[meager saffron]

honestly funny physics would be a great niche

i love tractor cannon

[dusky solar]

none of the chargers i shot with arc thrower last night stopped charging

[honest acorn]

Actually I like the idea of giving the railgun comical stagger

[meager saffron]

just make it bowl heavy enemies over

[honest acorn]

There isn't really a "stagger support weapon"

[meager saffron]

give them hilarious impulse

plus you could lean into the railgun being a lineemup weapon without giving it silly overpen

just let it push dudes back into each other for damage

[keen zinc]

add the hl2 gravity gun

[stoic lotus]

let us pick up the little guys and yeet them at their friends

[meager saffron]

destiny had to explicitly ban pushing bosses off a cliff during worlds first races and I think that would be extremely funny in helldivers

[granite rivet]

Atheon cheese was so funny

[meager saffron]

he slipped

[glad marsh]

I like the addition of new cape cut styles

Now what if I...

[blissful sparrow]

a moment of silence for timmy, the hulk that got lost somewhere on the map without arms 😔

[keen zinc]

me when u mfs keep killing the tanks im trying to do ranger shit to

[hazy oriole]

By headshot, you mean the eyeslit, right? Been really struggling to hit that thing

[azure pewter]

Heh, looks like koala

[dusky solar]

yes, i highly recommend stun nades

i also had a hard time at first, then i used stun nades to find the exact position you need to shoot, which in turn helped me hit it on moving hulks

[pastel igloo]

finally unlocked autocannon

[dusky solar]

pog

autocannon goated

[rapid plover]

have fun with it
the AC is really good

[pastel igloo]

diligence is still a really good gun

[wind arrow]

yeah i really like dilligence

after trying dilligence counter sniper post patch, i might still favor dilligence regular

[quick plinth]

after using stun grenades for a while, ive come to the conclusion that theyre great

well balanced in that they offer extreme amounts of utility fighting enemies (making shots easier to line up) but completely gimp your ability to close holes or fabs, break down fences and kill groups of smaller enemies.

so in short take a secondary that can do those things and then ur golden, but often time I didn't and then just sat in front of a container or bot fabricator

[wind arrow]

do we have a fourth secondary before the grenade pistol release?

[hazy oriole]

don't have access to those yet (and honestly won't for a while, i'm torn between spending my current 1000 super creds on either Steeled Veterans or Demo)

[dusky solar]

ah gotcha

orbital EMS and the EMS mortar will also both give you similar effects if you're interested

[wind arrow]

oh right the flashlight dagger

[dusky solar]

stuns in general are very strong vs bots

[hazy oriole]

big fan of them both, might give em a shot

so with EMS, AMR, and a backpack, what would you reccomend for my final "deal with everything else" strategem

[dusky solar]

either orbital laser (and you run grenades for fabricators) because it's a great stabilization / "wipe this outpost" tool

or maybe just flat out Eagle Airstrike

[north fiber]

Sometimes you just need a lot of boom in a large area

[dusky solar]

can pop fabs, great AOE, many uses, low cooldown

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2csnVNai-o

@shrewd tiger

[dusky solar]

you would need to do a lot of hellbomb call ins though.

[hazy oriole]

Eagle strike sounds good ngl

[dusky solar]

just the price of EMS

eagle airstrike is one of the best eagle strikes

[hazy oriole]

Yeah, ah well, it'll be a nice change of pace regardless

[dusky solar]

500 has specific utility that makes it awesome

but like, ems into eagle strike?

holy

efficiency

[hazy oriole]

What's the util of 500kg that makes it special?

[dusky solar]

it can blow up a lot of specific objectives

orbital 380 is also really good vs bot bases

often you can throw it centrally into a large, run away, and have the base die

[glacial light]

Against slow large enemies it's like a fast orbital railcannon

Or rather the opposite since you need a lot of practice to land it against heavies

[dusky solar]

fighting tanks with an AMR sucks

[glacial light]

But should one shot most current enemies aside from striders

And 2 every rearm is good

[hazy oriole]

aw fuck, i suck at fighting tanks and turrets

maybe i shoulda brought the 500kg...

ahhhh whateva, that guy with the quasar can take care of 'em

[dusky solar]

yeah exactly

the only real "do everything" gun vs bots is the autocannon

b/c it 3 or 4 taps the heatsinks on tanks and turrets

[honest acorn]

The dagger has been growing on me

Still can't kill berserkers very well but only redeemer does

[dusky solar]

i wish dagger did damage

[glacial light]

What do you use dagger for

I assume ad clear?

[dusky solar]

infinite ammo to clear mines and stuff

nothing else is as good at that

[honest acorn]

It kills small and weak enemies well and has basically infinite ammo

[glacial light]

I found senator is good for 2 tapping berserkers to the head

[honest acorn]

also yeah great for demining

[dusky solar]

ever since i got to use senator once i have wanted to buy the warbond

it's insanely good

[honest acorn]

Yeah I just tend to pull out the secondary when the situation is a little too bad for careful headshots

[glacial light]

Ideally if I was good at aiming is be able to take out 3 berserkers with a fully loaded senator

[honest acorn]

But it does do well with headshots yeah

[glacial light]

I am trying to do the opposite, senator when there's a medium my primary would be inefficient to handle

Until I get the dominator for bots

I currently use defender for bots and breaker incendiary for bugs

[shrewd tiger]

https://youtu.be/75hQwSJFuXg?si=TO-ptXazuqh2cNF6
@keen zinc

[pastel igloo]

do we lose the mission if the timer in the top right goes to zero

[hexed steeple]

no

[pastel igloo]

ok cool

cause we have 1min 20 to extract

[hexed steeple]

it means the destroyer leaves and all stratagems become unavailable

[pastel igloo]

and 1min 40 on the timer

[hexed steeple]

including reinforcements etc

[pastel igloo]

made it to the extraction with 4 seconds to spare

woof

[glacial light]

Also as long as you have completed the objective the mission will be a success whether you extract or not, you just don't get any samples if you don't extract

[pastel igloo]

oh nice

got an achievement

outstanding patriotism

pog

[hexed steeple]

i actually wonder if you auto-fail a mission if the timer runs out on missions with stratagem based objectives

[dusky solar]

What in the goddamn--

https://youtu.be/YTMifXTY0TY?si=FJVfCd_gQKfYfkCw

[rapid plover]

it oneshots chargers?
damn

[glad marsh]

Huh

So

Roughly the same damage potential as a RR or EAT, but you'll need to aim with it so all the clusters hit

[dusky solar]

I'm just excited for "delete an entire patrol"

Seems like a bug weapon

[glad marsh]

Very much so

[glacial light]

And requires a backpack

It seems really cool to have a cluster rocket

[pastel igloo]

half the squad at the extract

shuttle here

other half off doing something else

now this is managed democracy at work

[glacial light]

Brave souls giving their lives doing side objectives instead of extracting

Hopefully they didn't have any samples on them

[pastel igloo]

shuttle is just kinda chillin

[blissful sparrow]

yup, once its called in it'll stay there forever/until the mission timer runs out

[pastel igloo]

just got 25 kills with one strat

man they really REFUSED to leave

and they kicked me

fucking shitheads

ok i blocked them

[glad marsh]

Eugh
That's why I don't play with randos

[honest acorn]

I like playing with randoms but I don’t like dealing with the power trips you sometimes run into so I like to host

[glad marsh]

Alas, popular shooter game has some toxic people, who would've thought 😔

[glacial light]

Just introduce some gay cosmetics and watch half the toxic folks leave

[pastel igloo]

how do i stop the gun from switching aim mode when i unscope

[fallen tendon]

not trying to justify it (far from it ngl) but my guess from the minimap is they were trying and failing to get the samples back because the dropped samples were the purple ones

[fallen tendon]

settings remember settings per weapon

[fallen tendon]

and they had like some amount of hulks there w/o anything to deal with them

people get really really weird over samples

[pastel igloo]

that was taken way before i did that btw

[fallen tendon]

nvm then they're just assholes

[pastel igloo]

the map was empty of stuff by the time i did it

[fallen tendon]

also setting in question

[wind arrow]

this game is amusingly getting me to play solo in a game facilitating co-op

[fallen tendon]

if its resetting between you un-aiming/re-aiming it may be you're pushing the switch button by accident while aiming I'm not sure of your layout

[pastel igloo]

nah it was the setting

[fallen tendon]

[pastel igloo]

hit lvl 12

[glacial light]

I got to play coop so my teammates can pick up my slack when I did silly builds and in exchange I will rarely die

I aspire to tank

[glad marsh]

😌

[south temple]

i would kill for a pan flag cape

[pastel igloo]

i would SO wear some trans flag shit

[south temple]

the bi flag would go hard as a cape if any armors matched it

[pastel igloo]

it would

[lethal badger]

New cape

[hot meadow]

trying quasar on normal planet, this sthing is so great

[lethal badger]

(: I’ve been playing AC haven’t been fighting for Democraxy

[pastel igloo]

i have been following the major order given to us by the glory of super earth

and joined in the coordinated assault of Maia

[south temple]

based tbh

i need to conscript my friend for the coop mod

[pastel igloo]

none of my friends have played AC6 yet

but i would be super fucking down to play the co-op mod

but for now

we dive

into the jaws of hell

[south temple]

i can't wait til i can get on

sadly i'm consumed with a desire to write

[dusky solar]

Lol the knife

[quick plinth]

how many trans emotes are there.

[pastel igloo]

a lot

[north fiber]

[wind arrow]

i.. don't get it...

or is that helmet from new vegas?

[glad marsh]

I'm half certain that's the new Vegas helmet™

[pastel igloo]

It is

Oh yeah

I had tons of fun with the Autocannon

[glad marsh]

Autocannon is great fun!

[pastel igloo]

Real good for Automaton stomping

[undone veldt]

Yah it’s the NCR Ranger helmet

Also known as “the thing the Courier is wearing on the new Vegas box art”

[pastel igloo]

Also figuring out how to switch aim modes was a godssend for my accuracy

[wind arrow]

makes sense now

[pastel igloo]

Now i can kill more bots for Super Earth

[pastel igloo]

i bought that armor today

it's cool

i move slow as hell but i'm an absolute unit so it's ok

[shy prairie]

Pretty solid look

[pastel igloo]

ty

the cape adds a bit of white into the mix

makes it more solid

[glad marsh]

breaker armor + trailblazer helm + standard cape is our go-to

might switch over to this cape when it's out though

[south temple]

that does go hard

[glad marsh]

man they're getting stingy with the medals huh

[pastel igloo]

I'm pretty sure i got two of those today with actual medals

I got 45 medals two times and it really confused me

Still dunno why but i mean, free medals, i'll take it

[ionic holly]

You did, i was at medal cap

[idle hollow]

h-how

how do you

[ionic holly]

Saving up for the new warbond

[idle hollow]

reach medal cap

im scared

[ionic holly]

(its only 250)

[idle hollow]

WHAT

[ionic holly]

Yeah

[alpine seal]

250 indeed

reached it yesterday so i'm logging off to touch grass until next thursday

[ionic holly]

I just find it funny you can waste a major order, or in this case two, by not spending enough medals

[graceful bluff]

It's so you don't instacomplete warbonds

[ionic holly]

I dont mind its reasoning, i just find it funny

[alpine seal]

this is after i bought everything in every pass so. i might have a problem i need fixing

[ionic holly]

command really saw my stockpile and went "yeah dont send him shit"

[alpine seal]

i understand the desire to keep play consistent rather than in one bunch but i still weep for getting nothing from the majors

[ionic holly]

I laughed my ass off tbh

[alpine seal]

fair enough

all's fair in war

love you need a c-01 permit though

[pastel igloo]

Super Earth expects you to put those medals to use buying weapons and armor so you can inflict great and managed democracy on the Bugs and Automatons

[ionic holly]

Gimme weapons and armour i want then

[pastel igloo]

idle currency does nobody any good, least of all Super Earth

reminded of this meme

[ionic holly]

Gimme shit i actually want then, or time travel me to next thursday

[undone veldt]

Question about the mobile foundries, are they a side objective enemy like shriekers and gunships are?

Or are they just another enemy for the pool?

[oblique hazel]

I'm pretty sure they're just another enemy in the pool

but I might just be unobservant

[undone veldt]

Oh damn

[glacial light]

inb4 we learn factory striders are just medium civilian class automatons on their secret automaton base

[keen zinc]

i feel like the damage and armor pen of the diligence CS could just be given to the regular diligence and it would be balanced

as it is

the CS feels too heavy for its hits, and the diligence feels anemic

[sour whale]

having run into them a couple of times, they're just regular enemies, not tied to any objectives or the like. at least for the moment

[crystal badger]

Both could at least be improved by decreasing their damage falloff, so you aren't punished for using the long range weapons at long range. But no, instead they decided to balance the *actual* sniper primary weapon, the slugger, by nerfing its stagger. So now the sniper rifle that's supposed to be a shotgun feels even more like a sniper rifle and even less like a shotgun, while the pea shooters that are supposed to be sniper rifles continue to be useless.

[keen zinc]

the diligence CS feels good when it hits things

problem is that it cant hit things that move

the diligence feels good to control and hit targets

too bad it hits like marshmallow

[oblique hazel]

anyone up for a dive? <@&1206091872716595200>

[keen zinc]

sure

[rare nymph]

According the the wiki at least, factory striders are actually construction vehicles

They can either stay as mobile bot factories, or convert themselves into structures like fabricators, jammers, command bunkers, etc

(not in game, thankfully)

[upbeat vector]

Is the new explosive warbond out?

[glacial light]

The 11th

[honest acorn]

That would be sick if they could haha

Curious where the wiki got their info

[rare nymph]

Me too, honestly

[stoic lotus]

it came to them in a dream

[glacial light]

I made it up

[keen zinc]

there is info on units in the playstation site

maybe it was added

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> in HORUS, got 1 more spot

[idle hollow]

command and conquer MCVs taken to their logical extreme

lovely

[rare nymph]

My thought exactly lmao

[south temple]

are we taking durgen or tibit

[glacial light]

Sorry I sniped into the spot

[burnt vapor]

Tibit is where most of the playerbase is

[glad marsh]

all good sevens, nobody had it reserved or anything

[dusky solar]

there's no way one of y'all was "botslayer T4T doggirl" right

if you're out there those matches were fucking hilarious

ggs

[hot meadow]

Is heavy armor worth it yet?

[glad marsh]

Heavy armor has always been worth it :)

[rough ravine]

I really enjoy explosive resist snd recoil reduction

[glad marsh]

Arguably much more useful into bots than bugs though

[rough ravine]

I am a baby diver, I've only ever known war with the automaton oppressors

[glad marsh]

Considering the major orders lately, I wouldn't have it any other way

[hot meadow]

Tbqh I remember feeling like there wasn’t much difference in damage reduction? But I don’t know how much of this memory is the initial armor bug…

[oblique lotus]

heavy armor is the most meaningful it has ever been after the rocket fixes

[hot meadow]

Sweet. I’ll try it now, excited.

[unreal merlin]

Yeah once the actual armor effects were made functional armor ratings have been very noticeable. Heavy armor definitely makes a significant difference in survivability.

[dusky solar]

Yes. Two heavy armors in particular are very good. First, -50% explosion damage, -30% recoil is excellent. Second, medic heavy armor is goated.

This is vs bots btw

[stone bridge]

PSA to yall: if you're undecided on what premium warbond to go for, the upcoming Democratic Detonation is very likely to be the best overall warbond so far for build diversity purposes

Highly recommend waiting for it to come out

Even without knowing the armour passive I can say that confidently

[south temple]

why so?

weapon variety?

[hexed steeple]

grenade launcher secondary i crave it

[south temple]

it’s gonna be so fun

[hexed steeple]

rrrrr

[south temple]

nade launcher and DMR yummy

[stone bridge]

Grenade pistol secondary means builds without bug hole/factory destroying weapons can run utility based grenades without having a glaring hole in their build
Thermite grenades mean you can run less anti-armour elsewhere without fucking up your build

[south temple]

yeah that makes sense

[stone bridge]

And the exploding crossbow/explosive bolt action seem like potent ancillary weapons to builds running a workhorse support weapon, like a Stalwart or a MMG

[south temple]

true actually i was thinking abt that w/ the jar

[stiff pine]

Really wish I could get the senator

I think grenade pistol will be a nice consolation though

[south temple]

it’s incredibly funny

you can beat the shit out of zerkers with it

[stiff pine]

Unfortunately I am going to have to grind SC as it is to get the new pass

[south temple]

yeah same

even worse im out of town when it drops so i won’t be able to get on that grind asap

[stone bridge]

yeah I'm about 150 short atm

[south temple]

im too tempted by the armors

[stone bridge]

I may just buy the SC needed and have the rest in lieu for the Butcher armour + the next warbond

[unreal merlin]

I suspect I'll have to nab a few friends for dedicated SC farming because doing it solo is rather boring to me.

[stiff pine]

game has been so based I might toss them a few bucks

[shy prairie]

Goes faster too, surely, since you can open the double doors

[stone bridge]

tru fact

[unreal merlin]

Friendship bunkers and just splitting up and searching multiple directions at the same time.

[south temple]

fair honestly

[stone bridge]

If the Democratic Detonation armour has a more widely applicable passive it's even more reason to get it, lol

so win/win really

more widely applicable than the current one, I mean

which is uh

Nnnnnot

[south temple]

i feel like it’s hard to beat explosive resist + recoil

[stone bridge]

I have a feeling they might go for a more offense based passive with these

[unreal merlin]

I really like my extra grenades but I'm running stuns so it's huge value when it comes to otherwise deadly things like Hulks.

[stone bridge]

🤝

Titan armour ride or die for me lately

[shy prairie]

Thought: after the recent patch, cutting edge is the "weakest" bond for now (until arc resist becomes more useful)

It's got the sickle for sure, and the plasma punisher in second place, but dot dot dot

[hexed steeple]

wonder how accurate the crossbow will be

[unreal merlin]

Hoping for "very" and also that it's silent. A covert weapon to use with infiltrator armor is on the wishlist.

As silent as an explosive crossbow can be anyway.

[stone bridge]

Stuns as well

[hexed steeple]

might have the same trick as the autocannon where the explosion on target draws more attention than the firing

[honest acorn]

I think steeled vets and cutting edge are pretty close atm

[shy prairie]

Oh yeah, forgot those, yeah I cant really defend my position anymore

[stone bridge]

I think they are pretty close

[honest acorn]

Steeled vets has the lib conc which I think is probably the worst primary atm but the senator and breaker incendiary are very very good

I think I have to give the edge to cutting edge because localization confusion is so much better than flexible reinforcement budget but boosts aren’t really the important part of the passes

[stone bridge]

They are a part of it, though

[junior badge]

I think atm the sickle is so good that it alone puts Cutting Edge above the Vets.

Let alone the stun grenades.

[south temple]

i have found that cutting edge has more unlocks that i actually use, yeah

my opinion might change if i fuck around with the dominator enough

[shy prairie]

How'd yall feel about the blitzer

[junior badge]

Fires too slow and has too many fizzles to be reliable, atm.

[south temple]

still haven’t gotten it sadly, i’m splitting my medals between the scorch and jar grind

[stone bridge]

What do you mean?

[junior badge]

That Sickle alone makes CE more useful than Vets, and Sickle and Stuns make it not even close.

Sickle is the "you'll never be wrong for bringing it" primary, and stuns are very good utility.

[south temple]

stuns are fuckin lifesaving

[stone bridge]

Ah okay, I thought you were saying they were too good haha

[junior badge]

Vets has the Senator, which is cool, but more of a sidegrade to the redeemer, compared to the sickle being pretty much a direct upgrade to the liberator.

Ah, no! The stuns are fine.

Sickle needs to be reigned in a bit.

(and the other weapons in each bond are more specialised and balance out, imo)

[cobalt patrol]

Bleeegh. That was a rough mission

but the pubs did not help

like come on.

(We failed ofr the record)

[stone bridge]

jeepers

[cobalt patrol]

My back is broad and powerful

but there's a limit to what i can do

also it was just a hell map with So. Many. Rocket. Devs

which sure they're less lethal.

but that doesnt mean non-lethal

especially not when there's crossfire coming in from 5 directions

[stiff pine]

I find that rocket devs don't kill me so much any more

but they ragdoll me and then laser fire finishes me off anyway

which is kinda the same thing

[cobalt patrol]

This was just rocekt devs *everywhere8

[stone bridge]

Yeah I'm debating whether to just run heavy armour now

[burnt vapor]

Yeah not dying to a single rocket is nice but you still die when the first ragdolls you into the other 7

[cobalt patrol]

anyway <@&1206091872716595200> Game soon?

[quick plinth]

Id be up for a couple

[oblique hazel]

I can hop on, but not on mic

[unkempt river]

Imagine being able to spread democracy rn T^T

Couldn't be me T^T

[cobalt patrol]

Just waiting on @stone bridge to get back to me, as they said they'd be keen to play earlier

[unkempt river]

Ah, that explains why they're so edgy >:D

[eager pine]

So ya'll saw the chuds freaking out at the community manager having pronouns in bio right? I mean uh... be alert for traitorous activity from secret (ok, not very secret) fascist elements.

Not to bring up drama or whatever, but this is more like... meant to be a warning about assholes trying to start drama,

The dude who crashed and burned the Firefall development studio has apparently been trying to start shit and a bunch of the usual grifters are following suit. Upside they might just lead a bunch of their marks to stop playing the game.

[unreal merlin]

I miss early Firefall gameplay. Genuinely a decent gameplay experience before it deviated into blandness.

[candid finch]

Don't need chuds in the game

[unreal merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208390071074562139/1226143205368528936/aXP00Vg_460swp.webp?ex=6623b1d8&is=66113cd8&hm=4dea052fa1a019c788be3596eeec2b5c9e94db8cb0cc6a1baf6f01b355670813&

[candid finch]

Jonathan Normalman

[pastel igloo]

didn't know the foul automaton menace was socialist

[undone veldt]

Of course they are

They’re red

[blissful sparrow]

The Bots are socialist and the Bugs are fascist

[cerulean sluice]

(Or so the managed democracy with soldiers marching down the streets claims)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749253323407753276/1225900388889264168/WIP.png?ex=6622cfb4&is=66105ab4&hm=fab15a911882282391a26aca44ffeb5303c23a5773245c82a64f5058f356f377&

[pastel igloo]

how as you supposed to read this

[forest crater]

Reinforcements left is a resource

[pastel igloo]

what is that supposed to mean

[blissful sparrow]

Hellpods are a weapon

[pastel igloo]

ooooh

[wide mural]

sometimes you gotta suicide run into somewhere you know you're not getting out of

[pastel igloo]

i see i see

🫡

[wide mural]

it's fine because reinforcements isn't zero yet

[pastel igloo]

trueeee

i've succeeded a mission with 0 reinforcements before

i think

[glacial light]

Always throw your friends on bile titans

When you die you become hellpod ammo to kill

[wide mural]

was basically the only way we ever killed bile titans early on before we'd unlocked much in the way of stratagems lmao

[glacial light]

Same but for chargers

Back when chargers were monsters and we were level 4

[pastel igloo]

based

[glacial light]

Trying to kill them with supply pods

[pastel igloo]

i haven't fought a bile titan yet

i've been mainlining the Automaton front by command of Super Earth

i think i did like, one bug mission so far?

[glacial light]

Bugs are a different experience

[pastel igloo]

i didn't like the bug mission i played much

but i probably will have more fun with it with more experience

[glacial light]

It's basically analogus to a zombie horde in other games

[pastel igloo]

yeah

that makes sense

[glacial light]

I will admit bots are more my favorite cause of the enemy variety means I can bring more types of builds to play without feeling like I'm just memeing my teammates

And now that mechs are good against bots I love it

[shrewd tiger]

Stun grenade stuns a lot of things

[wide mural]

stun grenades rule, I just need to bring something with them that can take out factories/bug holes because I'll go insane otherwise

[pastel igloo]

if the illuminates are coming like everyone is thinking it might become useful rather quickly

[glacial light]

Id be surprised if illuminate used a lot of arc since 95% resist seems like a hard counter to it

[pastel igloo]

that's fair

[glacial light]

I could see arc damage in like side objectives like electric fences

[pastel igloo]

95% resistance would be a bit fucking absurd if it could be fielded against an enemy which does arc damage

[cerulean sluice]

Maybe Illuminate Arc Turrets that are smart and don’t damage Illuminate

[burnt vapor]

I could see the tripods still having their tasers but also being able to just step on us

[glacial light]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/TAW7wN3qFR

[pastel igloo]

lol

[glacial light]

Might as well be a major order for me

[pastel igloo]

game crashing much for you?

[glacial light]

Yes I think it's mostly my internet though

[pastel igloo]

ahh ok

[undone veldt]

There’s a lot of theories about like, how the automatons are made and think and most of them involve like, taking the brains out of people, and torturing humans and the like

But I like to imagine that they are fully morally righteous

[cobalt patrol]

@keen zinc did you all crash? I saw you all leave the mission, and then leave discord at the same time?

AND @glacial light @pastel igloo Yeah, i hope bugs get some more vareity. They're a bit boring to fight after mostly bots

[pastel igloo]

i've been maining bots cause of the major order

we'll see how i find bugs when things switch up

i imagine they are probably more repetetive

and the stealth tactics probably don't work against them like they do bots

[glacial light]

I always thought it was deprogramming the super Earth brainwashing

But there's like no evidence in HD2 to support that claim

[undone veldt]

Yah

The most we see are their prisons but like

it wouldn’t be the first time super earth pinned the slaughter of their own people on someone else

It’s just harder to tell because the bots actually have guns unlike the bugs

[pastel igloo]

yeah

[cobalt patrol]

I like to think the autoamtons kidnapping children is presciely becuase they're not monsters - they're just getting kids the hell out of dodge.

[undone veldt]

It could also be very well their kidnapping victims are just, whatever humans live amongst them

Because it’s not like we’re shown they’re full on glassing planets

They’re occupying them

[pastel igloo]

the Super Earth Ministry of Truth got hands so it's hard to know what's what

[undone veldt]

Yah, i just like to imagine that if we had a more objective view of the setting

The automatons are essentially Star Wars rebels

Just also all robots

[graceful bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/Jake_Vox/status/1776430075052745058

Also someone made a very good point about the ballistic shield which just makes it fucking skyrocket in the rankings

it stops you from getting headshot by rockets

even if you still take splash damage

since the splash is partially eaten by your armor

[undone veldt]

This goes so fucking hard

[graceful bluff]

Seems like chuds finally figured out the game is satire, community might get better now

[oblique storm]

They won't care

[graceful bluff]

They be very angy on twitter

and if nothing else, a whole bunch of them are getting banned off the discord

[oblique storm]

That is much more of a realistic dub

[undone veldt]

At the very least watching them seethe is very entertaining

And that alone is a win imo

[graceful bluff]

Funniest bit is mark kern acting like like he's not been out of the game industry since 2013 again while going "boo hoo their CM blocked me on twitter"

[strange vine]

The helldivers reddit is a cesspool usually but the majority of posts are mocking the loser and anyone who supports him so thats good

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/4KXEfyit7l

[pastel igloo]

Tibit time

🫡

[quick plinth]

wuh?

where he get that stuff

[glad marsh]

This one preordered the game

Super yogurt helmet

[undone veldt]

Hmmm, what if I stated out terminids for a game of PF2E?

[oblique storm]

I feel there's gotta be enough Bugs in that game already where you could just facelift them

[undone veldt]

Yah probably

[keen zinc]

Make them playable

@oblique storm what if they added a single use but short cooldown version of the Spear called the Lance

So you could run Knight + Shield + Lance

[oblique storm]

lol

[keen zinc]

I really hope the upcoming updates fix a lot of crosshair and hitmarker woes and inconsistency

[oblique storm]

I just wish I could adjust the graphics setting of JUST my crosshair

[keen zinc]

Give the HMG crosshairs, fix the guns missing hitmarkers like the sickle and stalwart and HMG

[keen zinc]

Medium texture is bearable

I think ur PC has 6gb vram

[oblique storm]

It's not a ram problem

it's the thermal paste going again

[keen zinc]

Ood

[oblique storm]

Shit fucking overheats no matter what I do

Why I'm getting a new computer

[keen zinc]

Yeah HD2 is super CPU heavy

[glad marsh]

Please
Disposable javelins would be amazing

[pastel igloo]

just had my first failed extract

there was about

10-15 hulks around the extract

6 of them were in the actual extract perimeter

[tiny flume]

This is why Democracy gave us the orbital laser

[pastel igloo]

survived an entire defense mission and they extracted without me

[stoic lotus]

I would not recommend playing with randoms

you can always find or start a lobby in pnet

[pastel igloo]

nah it was my friends

[stoic lotus]

rip

[modest fiber]

this is wack

[pastel igloo]

ye

[stoic lotus]

what's the source for this art

[hexed steeple]

i can take it

[modest fiber]

saw it on facebook so i dunno, try search i guess

<@&1206091872716595200> finishing up my current mission and then gonna be grinding some supas, usually wouldn't but only got until 11th so ima need it fast

[rotund marten]

I can helldive shortly

[graceful bluff]

gonna be around in like 5-10

[modest fiber]

[undone veldt]

Wait do you finally not drop the ballistic shield when you ragdoll?

[candid finch]

From what I've seen yeah

[ionic holly]

Thank fuck

[modest fiber]

haven't used the shield my self, so neat i guess

[heady halo]

they also worsened enemy aim when firing at the shield, and improved how the helldiver tucks their limbs behind it

so its WAY better now

it also SEEMS (anecdotal) to give A LITTLE explosion resist against splash

[blissful sparrow]

it probably just causes the explosion to be at the shield, so the extra distance to your body is enough for damage fall off

[modest fiber]

🤔

[undone veldt]

Finally

[graceful bluff]

It's amazing now yeah

I just wish I had other one handed weapons other than the smg and senator

shield senator hard counters heavy devs though

[candid finch]

Sometimes you still get ragdolled and feel sad as you get smeared into the floor

[ionic holly]

Finally got the scorcher

[rare nymph]

Me when I’m tanking a platoon of devastators with the shield: “We’re so back”

Me when I’m getting smeared all over the floor by the very same platoon: “It’s so over”

[candid finch]

That's when you get the medic armour so you can jab yourself while pinwheeling away to try and survive

[rare nymph]

Ah, I’ve been running the 200 armor

[keen zinc]

I've been running TR-117 Alpha Commander armor because I am beautiful I am powerful I am strong

[stoic lotus]

is that the shoulder pouch one

[keen zinc]

No that is the Breaker, which is my other go to armor

I wear that because of the fashion tbh

The Alpha Commander is medic armor and so is just outright better

[stoic lotus]

oh ok

[keen zinc]

2 stims is way better than 2 grenades but fashion is important

[stoic lotus]

I should come play some again tomorrow maybe

[keen zinc]

If you feel like it

I won't be around tomorrow

[hazy oriole]

need some warbond buying advice
Do I get Steeled Veterans now and grind out Democratic Detonation, or do I wait for Demo Deto to come out and see if it's Super Meta or something?

[keen zinc]

I'd wait for demo deto tbh

[ionic holly]

decided to dig through my medal stash a bit and finally got the scorcher

now to rebuild the stock pile for democratic demolitions

[ionic holly]

I'd wait for demo but admittedly? Arrowhead are adamant about making sure premium warbonds don't have the 'best of the best' weapons

Strong sure, but not meta defining

cept maybe stunnades but you lose the ability to pop outposts without strats or support weapons*

[hazy oriole]

I've got 1160 super creds rn if it makes a difference
Main reason I want to grab one is because I really want the Senator and I wanna spice up my bot missions a bit more since I've been tired as hell of running them

[ionic holly]

Senator is nice, not the best due to its reload but far from bad

Dominator is also pretty hot rn, still very sluggish though

Look at it this way, secondary wise what do you want more, revolver or mini GL

[hot meadow]

I think the new one will be more fun for variety.

[ionic holly]

Shrug, i don't know what they want for variety themselves it's why i'm just trying to lay it out flatly

[keen zinc]

idk the br in dem demo seems like its gonna be pog

[ionic holly]

I mean
like said, never said they'd be bad

like, i'm all for that marksman rifle too, one of the big things i'm gunning for

but having seen actual gameplay for it, it's not like it's gonna be game breaking

[keen zinc]

i feel like its gonna make the lib and diligence superfluous tho

[ionic holly]

Nah

diligence has more damage, lib has more snappiness and ammo

25 round mag, for the record

and what was it... 6 mags i wanna say from the clip i recall?

I think it's gonna be another sickle situation, people blow it out of proportion calling it a replacement, then find the actual flaws and reason why another is better in its own merits

[keen zinc]

idk ive struggled to find anything that beats out the sickle rn

[ionic holly]

The only weapon i could vaguely see a case for it overcoming is lib pen

[ionic holly]

No pen holmes, sure you can argue the rest of your kit can compensate but then we can start applying the rest of the kit to other options

There's nothin' wrong with preference but frankly at the stage arrowhead has kept the game i'm hard pressed to really hard say no to most weapons

except the scythe and dagger, still don't get why the sickle has a bigger battery than the scythe

But yeah, iunno man i still see people use default lib in red difficulties and still kick ass

people are gonna use the weapons they want at the end of the day

i use the plasma punisher for instance and i assure you that is not a gun for everyone

[graceful bluff]

soup credit farming anyone?

[keen zinc]

sure

[graceful bluff]

huh I don't remember that one

[keen zinc]

twitch drop

[graceful bluff]

aw

[ionic holly]

I have found a very interesting thing

i killed a factory strider in one cluster bomb

will test further

ITS REPLICATABLE

THIS IS THE KILLMOVE

2 OHKO'D STRIDERS

[hot meadow]

Y’all were right heavy armor is great now

I can wear it and ditch the shield pack, which opens up autocannon + eagle/orbitals if I want

Autocannon/Cluster/Airstrike/Laser seems pretty good, assuming at least one other person on the team has quasar or EATs

[ionic holly]

My current has been 500kg/cluster/ems/spear

But i will continue testing clusters on factory striders, but 2 being OHKO'd hints to a pattern

[rare nymph]

Huh. I guess it must be taking out the top vents

[ionic holly]

Possibly?

unsure

[hot meadow]

I really like clusters, so this is good news.

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> two more farming soup credits?

[heady halo]

i dunno how you farm in particular but i got some time and can follow basic instructions lmao

[graceful bluff]

it's easy, it's just poi hunting

[glacial light]

Trivial diff usually and split up

Speedrun search the map

[kindred lintel]

i dont see the point in doing soup farming on 1

radar always spawns on 2, and its a bigger map

[pastel igloo]

i think it's been tested that you are more likely to get super credits on 1

[glacial light]

I have no clue

[graceful bluff]

Yeah, rare samples can spawn in the poi spots where soup credits can

[honest acorn]

ahh

that makes sense

[oblique hazel]

also I believe 1, 2, and 3 all have the same number of POIs per map

but bc trivial maps are smaller, its easier to check them all

[honest acorn]

I would have figured 4s would be better with the bigger map but rare samples might cover for that

[hot meadow]

As an aside, I love that the quasar essentially gave me back a stratagem slot

I used to take EATs on literally everything, but the quasar does either almost as well or just as well. That said, if someone else isn’t bringing autocannon I am taking that instead lol

[glacial light]

Don't EATs and quasar use the same slot?

[honest acorn]

I think it's EATs as a second support weapon for Armor Emergencies

[south temple]

yeah eats are a nice panic button sometimes

quasar is nice but when the hulk horde is closing in sometimes you gotta have more shots

[glacial light]

EATs is stilm my goat for bugs, although I'm very bad at aiming at bile titan heads

[stone bridge]

EATs also have no charge time

Which is huge

[south temple]

yeah that’s the biggest drawback to the quasar

[honest acorn]

They like to move so erratically

[south temple]

those three seconds feel like forever sometimes

(fucking dropships)

[glacial light]

Quasar is hard to use in battle cause flinch is terrible when you can't control the time when you fire

[south temple]

yeah

[glacial light]

I do love quasar on bots still

[south temple]

it’d be nice if the charge receded slowly too

[glacial light]

I see it as a objective, building destroyer, and dropship destroyer

Also ig one shotting hulks to the eye is real nice if there's a few of them

[south temple]

it definitely is

[supple siren]

It's also just lovely to have on the team, reliable source of Some More Explosive Damage is great when there's 4 tanks and 7 hulks

[south temple]

i’m still a certified autocannon enjoyer but damn the quasar’s handy, esp with the bubble

[glacial light]

Its like a mad panic when there's multiple quasar users and a dropship appears and there's suddenly 3 blasts on a dropship then a second one shows up and everyone says they're overheated

[honest acorn]

I like it for tanks as well

2 shots to anywhere on the turret

[supple siren]

How do folks feel about the Laser Cannon

[south temple]

the quasar firing line is the only correct strategy

[glacial light]

Yea also that although tanks are the easier heavy to destroy so much can desteoy it even many eagles with explosive like cluster can do it against the vent iirc

I've given up on tanks cause usually teammates have a way to one shot tanks like with 110 rockets before I can get a second shot

[south temple]

extremely fun i love turning bug hordes into oil smears

[graceful bluff]

We had a slight fragging incident

[honest acorn]

It's a nice option because its much longer ranged than a strat ball

And you don't need the vent exposed

Albeit this is sort of map dependent

[glacial light]

Against bots laser cannon is goated, it's like an ammoless autocannon but leaning more on ad clear and destroying all the troopers and meds

A very much "primary" support weapon

[honest acorn]

It's pretty good vs bugs but takes a while to breach charger armor which is annoying

[glacial light]

I've never used it against bugs is it as good as bots?

[honest acorn]

its pretty good

[quick plinth]

yeah its great against bugs too

hiveguards, brood commanders and spewers are your prime targets with it

so are shriekers tbh and stalkers if they arent in ur face

but its especially apt at taking out shirieker nests from a safe distance

75% or so heat per tower

[glacial light]

I haven't seen a stalker nest and forever

It's all shriekers

[oblique hazel]

you ever fight both at the same time?

its not fun

[ionic holly]

I have! its painfuil

[pastel igloo]

how do i set it so people don't join my game

[ionic holly]

genuinely feels like you might as well just die and reposition

Options, gameplay, matchmaking privacy Freyja

[oblique hazel]

the first option under gameplay is matchmaking privacy, you can set that to friends only

[pastel igloo]

ty

was trying to farm super credits and three people joined my game and we ended up extracting

like i wasn't going to be a dickhead and kick them

but i also don't want people joining my missions

[ionic holly]

Finally fully upgraded my ship

[vestal trail]

Trivials average 6-8 PoIs per map while being very small, resulting in a generally hyper dense map

Sometimes you just get like 2 bunkers literally next to each other

[pastel igloo]

saw someone mention you can alt-f4 if you find a mission with good super credit amounts and replay the same game

idk if that actually works but i'll try it

[vestal trail]

And even when the roll is kinda butts, you're in and out so fast it doesn't matter

Like, find a 1 where you need to kill devastators, throw a sky laser, and get looting

You're in and out in like 10 minutes tops

[pastel igloo]

that's what i am doing

[vestal trail]

Oh, that was more just train of thought continuance from my reply to CYAN

[dusky solar]

Scorcher vs bots just for convenience vs walkers and weakspots

I'm always surprised to see sickle so high on lists and liberator... not

The guns are basically the same and i very rarely find ammo to be an issue with the liberator

[keen zinc]

the sickle is just better liberator unfortunately

no damage dropoff

[honest acorn]

I believe they removed that

So finish up the mission now

[vestal trail]

A big thing for me is the convenience and how much deeper the clip is with good trigger discipline, even on hot planets

[ionic holly]

Like said, every weapon has its own merits

no matter how easily it is to just go "oh this ones better"

[ionic holly]

cept for the dagger and scythe, i wont defend those

[vestal trail]

Except the Redeemer v Starter Pistol, but they're working on that

[ionic holly]

As someone who just doesnt like the redeemer at all
shrug.

[pastel igloo]

ah ok

[pastel igloo]

was going to do that regardless

you see

i need samples

and i can get the normal samples i need from this

[vestal trail]

The Redeemer in semi is literally just the starter pistol with 2-3x the ammo

[honest acorn]

I quite like the Scythe

But the dagger is just ok

[pastel igloo]

sickle is good

i hated scythe

[ionic holly]

Alright? i still dont like it
theres a reason i described it as a personal opinion rather than objective man

[vestal trail]

Apologies if I came across as argumentative

[ionic holly]

It was a little rough, yeah, not really taking it personally

[cobalt patrol]

I can't find this and it's very sad because I wanted to see the chuds getting mocked

[lethal badger]

https://youtu.be/cpIfTXCW0xA?si=8iI2ED-BdOpYf-6K

[glacial light]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTLSw3QeY/

Pistol whipping a hulk is another level of bullying

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> managed democracy needs you! Join today in HA Chat.

[stone bridge]

I'm down

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge Get in 'ere

[stone bridge]

Be there in a sec

[honest acorn]

https://fxtwitter.com/RRH_Art/status/1776717744441905198

[strange vine]

heres one https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bx6fov/so_much_for_not_being_political/

[stone bridge]

This is canon, hulks are ridiculously silent

[honest acorn]

Yeah it’s very realistic

[oblique hazel]

@unkempt river shoot me a ping if a spot opens up

[oblique lotus]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAA

[meager saffron]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rare nymph]

I don’t even know what to say

[honest acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-valenti-jim-costa-kool-aid-cash-the-ticket-971-gif-27232563

[oblique lotus]

like holy fuck it's not even subtext it's just the literal actual text

[undone veldt]

This goes hard

[north fiber]

The links in the post are even better

more people talking about how "apolitical" the game is

[dusky solar]

Super Earth paid for my transition ergo they couldn't possibly be fascist

[pale remnant]

Me when I'm media literate

[cobalt patrol]

"isn’t Paul Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers a big inspiration? The satire for that movie is so on the nose you’d probably need facial reconstruction surgery."

[barren iron]

" There's a person pushing their agenda in this subreddit and everyone is telling them to cut it out.

That person isn't the CM."

[dusky solar]

Also, Super Earth allowed the children back into the mines. If that's not a pro-freedom choice I don't know what is.

[hot meadow]

Ah yes. It is just that it is a good enough weapon that I can just bring that as my support and not double up

[dusky solar]

Does this still hold up?

[ionic holly]

From current testing, yes

i've OHKO'd 4 striders now with cluster bombs

(each time i was solo by the way so no chance someone helped)

[dusky solar]

Sick

[hot meadow]

Awesoooooome.

[oblique lotus]

I mean look if children weren't made for mining why are coal seams perfectly sized for them

[dusky solar]

Exactly. And then people complain about cyberstan. "Enslaved" """people"""? What? It's literal childrens' work while we deprogram the cyborgs' antisocial behavior. Smh.

Real talk actually, that's the part of super earth lore i like the least

Kinda wish the automatons were all just imprisoned instead of enslaved, way more evil in a gross real world way

[ionic holly]

also stat spoilers for thursday's warbond butttt

|| Grenade pistol holds 8+1 shots||

[dusky solar]

Holy what

That's craaaaaazy

[strange vine]

i mean what do you think RL prison labor is

[dusky solar]

Also terrible lmao 😂

[oblique hazel]

I think her point is more that US prison labor is quite literally legalized slavery

[strange vine]

yeh

[dusky solar]

Well yeah, idk what's contradictory about that

I don't like it in the game because it's one of the worst aspects of america

[hot meadow]

I will say, now having done many more bot missions, that they’re really more engaging but at the same time in general I feel like they’re also more restrictive on what you can bring and feel successful. Or maybe not successful - like, well equipped

[hazy oriole]

gave a flamethrower napalm combo on bugs today after many, MANY frustrating bot missions, had so much fun watching kill numbers rack up

[hazy oriole]

I agree on this, it's less about meta and more "what you can bring without feeling like you're actively hampering yourself and your team" is a tighter cone

[honest acorn]

I find bots somewhat more free because you need less hard AT

[ionic holly]

I always feel like it's as simple as 'some stuff is good on bugs, some stuff is good on bots'

[oblique hazel]

I think bots also allow for greater choice of armor

[dusky solar]

Overall i like bots more because you can run more diverse stuff without feeling bad

[honest acorn]

literally everything the bots field except like factory striders can be shot with nothing with more pen than an AMR or HMG and it feels pretty bad to not bring something with heavy armor breach vs bugs

[ionic holly]

and even then the striders can be cluster bombed to hell as i learned today

[hot meadow]

I think that’s really interesting because I think I feel the opposite… but it’s also true I’ve been using the bots to climb difficulties so maybe that’s what I’m feeling instead

[ionic holly]

They called me a mad man for switching to cluster bombs

and here we are

[hot meadow]

I started taking those over air strikes

[oblique hazel]

I enjoy bots pretty signifigantly more than bugs for a lot of reasons, and loadout freedom is definitely one of them

[hot meadow]

Ok clearly I need to experiment more.

[ionic holly]

I've not really felt too restricted in my loadout for either, just switch my primary and drop in

[honest acorn]

I don’t have much of a preference either way but bugs have more things which feel like they require very precise solutions

[oblique hazel]

I have 3 armor sets I bring to bots depending on what the mission calls for and the team needs, I only ever use 1 for bugs

[ionic holly]

Shrug

[dusky solar]

I'm not that good, so when i drop on 9s i'm usually pretty deliberate with my loadout. Generally I survive with either 0-1 deaths, OR if something really goes badly and the team gets stuck on the map border with an uncontrolled chain drop and 5 hulks and tanks, like 4 deaths haha

[ionic holly]

I just bring heavy or rarely medium armour everywhere and keep on trucking

[dusky solar]

I'm considering swapping off of stuns to smokes for bots

It's a little silly but it makes de-aggroing much easier

[honest acorn]

If I’m using smoke I tend to prefer eagle smoke

[dusky solar]

And the smoke nades are more consistent than the strikes, i saw uhhhh, which youtube channel

Someone tested it

[honest acorn]

Though eagle smoke is pretty incredible

[dusky solar]

Some bots are desyncing and ignoring smoke

But not from nades?

[stone bridge]

whuh

[honest acorn]

Just host

I’m also a little skeptical of that because bots will fire wildly at targets they can’t see sometimes

[hot meadow]

Also, memes aside, it’s not just me right? The 500kg seems less good that some other options

Like Airstrike

[dusky solar]

The 500 has a really small aoe

[stone bridge]

The 500kg is flashy but the AoE is surprisingly small, yeah

[dusky solar]

The airstrike is imo overall better

[stone bridge]

It's best into bugs where it can one shot biles with good placement

[dusky solar]

It's like... big enough to kill hordes

But enough individual bomb damage to do some objectives

[supple siren]

I love taking the Airstrike and the 500kg together tbh

but also I'm just a sucker for watching a bomb the size of a car hit something

when it sticks out of the Titan directly, art

[ionic holly]

I just don't use the 500 for AOE

That's my single target option

[supple siren]

That said, everyone keep downplaying it, let's get it bigger

[ionic holly]

Eh... nah

[cobalt patrol]

Modern day improisment, esp in the us, is slavery though.

[honest acorn]

The 500 kilo is basically for heavy units and demolition but it has a pretty much unmatched ratio of firepower to precision to cooldown

[oblique hazel]

I've quite enjoyed the 500 for the new command bunkers

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, it's a good tool for what it does

It really reewards precise aim

[honest acorn]

Try the 380 for them, it seems to work better now that they’re somewhat tougher

[cobalt patrol]

Stun grenades are an excellent compliment as well

[stone bridge]

Generally I think for bugs, a 500kg is usually enough if you're running a support weapon that can deal with Chargers

[hot meadow]

Gotcha, so despite visuals it’s really basically an upgrade to the initial orbital precision strike

[stone bridge]

And if you aren't you probably want EATs

[cobalt patrol]

Recently i;'ve been doing 380/500kg/Precision/Autocannon as my bot loadout with stuns

and the combo of stun into 500kg/precision never gets old

Watching a hulk go "Oh, i've wasted my life:"

bullet fro mthe sky

❤️

[dusky solar]

Yeah, but not everywhere in every developed nation. And not even for every prison in the US. It is however obviously wrong. I'd rather not make this an argument over something we agree on.

[cobalt patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/comic-book-guy-simpsons-oh-no-explode-life-gif-16309470

[dusky solar]

Also, seconding "380 is great vs bots"

[cobalt patrol]

Helldivers is a big satire of US culture etc though, and frankly, a lot of peoplethink that slavery for prisoners is fine. So.. i dunno, it works for me.

anyway, yes, bring the 380

rezone bots into agriculture

aggressively

[heady halo]

380+120 = 500

[cobalt patrol]

Okay but now i want a 500kg barrage

where eagle one just dumps like 5 of them in one sweep

[oblique hazel]

500kg carpet bomb?

[dusky solar]

The only thing that makes me not want to take 380 is orb laser's value on extract

[heady halo]

500kg orbital barrage
REALLY slow because they have to push each one off the side of the ship individually because its too big for the gun

but hits a relativly precise area

[dusky solar]

If you save one orbital laser for the last 10 seconds of extract you can nearly guarantee a clear pad

[heady halo]

wait no

[heady halo]

500kg respawn

respawn riding a 500kg bomb, targeting it yourself

it costs a respawn but is super precision

[dusky solar]

Y'all are clearly missing the most optimal stratagem

[heady halo]

im genius

[dusky solar]

Hellbomb

But always

[heady halo]

i wish

[dusky solar]

Tbf i really thought hellbombs WOULD be something you could unlock

[heady halo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3edi2Wkr5YI

[honest acorn]

Since enemies at extract only approach from 1-2 sides a 380mm 60 meters out can hold the spot pretty well

[oblique hazel]

landing you're respawn on an undetonated hellbomb is something I hope everyone gets to experience at least once

its incredibly satisfying

[dusky solar]

Yeah, it's not that the 380 is bad or anything. But it doesn't do the "aight we're guaranteed to get onboard" nearly as cleanly

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, yeahi did it by accdient ages ago and was like wait, shit, this is really good

[honest acorn]

Yeah it’s pretty remarkable ime you just deal with less stuff

And if you have 4 barrages available you can have 100% ish uptime for the extract

[heady halo]

380 to each cardinal direction 😌

[honest acorn]

Yeah orbital laser is pretty much unparalleled as a horrible situation stabilizer

[stone bridge]

Hell yeah

True

But yeah overall I don't think bugs have that much less build variety

And the new warbond will help with that, even

[dusky solar]

I feel like with bugs you HAVE to take a support that kills biles and chargers unless you're in a premade

[stone bridge]

Thermite Charges are a true anti armour grenade in your pocket

[dusky solar]

On high diffs you can just not have enough stratagems

[supple siren]

I'm gonna have a hard time not bringing the Incendiary Breaker into bugs, just so satisfying to flak into a 10,000 of 'em

[dusky solar]

If thermite kills chargers i will be very happy

[ionic holly]

It doesnt do it in one

but it can

[heady halo]

flamethrower is surprisingly great vs chargers

[stone bridge]

They show it being used against Chargers in the trailer

[heady halo]

you can get 8 chargers from one flamethrower with full ammo

in a few seconds each

[supple siren]

I hope we get flame-resistant armor

[heady halo]

same

[ionic holly]

Spoilers again

|| Per footage using the weapons early it takes 2 full thermites to kill a charger||

[heady halo]

and a fix to the dot bug

[stone bridge]

Well we have no idea how long it takes, lol

[dusky solar]

I couldn't tell where the nade hit, but if it can one shot the face that would be very nice

[ionic holly]

Actually we do briar

[stone bridge]

Based on footage that's very subject to change

[ionic holly]

If you say so

[stone bridge]

The Quasar got overhauled drastically before release

[ionic holly]

the last one didnt change much before release

[heady halo]

the hmg doesnt even fire snakes anymore so who knows how the thermite will change

[forest crater]

My favorite thing to do when using the flamethrower is getting chargers bugged(hehe) into standing still defenseless and just unloading on them in seconds

[stone bridge]

Taking leaks as hard numbers just ends up with preconceived notions that are hard to shake

[ionic holly]

Sure bud

anyways, back to other topics

[stone bridge]

Are you alright?

[cobalt patrol]

I really like how 380 vs laser is balanced. The 380 is spamable, faster cooldown, and overall more devastating... But entirely, entirely random.

While the laser is very good at ripping targets apart, but can get stuck on heavies like bile Titans or tanks

[ionic holly]

Yeah? im fine? ive no want to further a topic that might result in either of us getting agitated is all

[stone bridge]

Righto

[ionic holly]

i'd sooner just pivot

Apologies

[stone bridge]

It's fine

[ionic holly]

To be frank im more than just happy to take whatever this bond offers

maybe except the crossbow but thats personal taste

adjucator will likely be a hard thing to take out of my inventory when it drops

[kindred lintel]

Im wondering how it will do against deestators and walkerschickens

[ionic holly]

Mm
probably worse than the diligence, better than the liberator (maybe)

[kindred lintel]

Im more comparing it to something like the dominator

[honest acorn]

I’m curious how the crossbow will fare vs spewers

Since it seems to have Real AoE Explosive

[kindred lintel]

<@&1206091872716595200> dive time

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khE3Kj9Gli8

[burnt vapor]

That channel single handedly makes me want a game about the orbital war between super earth and the automatons

[tall stone]

Some of my players were kind enough to get me Helldivers 2, and I've been working on it today. Good lord, what a fun game.

[glacial light]

Wish granted you now have a hellbomb rover

It cares not for friendly fire or its own existence

[dusky solar]

AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAA

[forest crater]

I legit only know of those thing's existence because of the Nier raid in FFXIV

[glacial light]

I know nothing about it besides a clip of a monarch left robot and it's head rolls off

From a nier music video