Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[stoic lotus]

this is not very cash money

[blissful sparrow]

4th of April : )

[stoic lotus]

what's significant about the 4th of april

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[blissful sparrow]

First thursday of the month

iirc thats when they wanted to drop new contents?

[keen zinc]

Second Thursday is the content drop day I thought?

[blissful sparrow]

ah, mixed that up then

[keen zinc]

Well that's when the warbond drops

New content can come whenever they feel like apparently

The warbond drop just provides a nice way to add stuff to the game all at once to activate over time

[honest acorn]

Wow! Super earth is supporting us with even bigger ships!

[stone bridge]

I'm so excited to see our latest Super Battleships

:)

[keen zinc]

Watch the Automatons have obscenely vaster territories than we thought and just insane levels of engineering and industry

I want to blow up a space station factory the size of a large asteroid the size of a small moon

[blissful sparrow]

i want to fight on the outside of a metal planet

[sinful bay]

I want ||to fight on the side of the automatons and|| a bigger shotgun

[blissful sparrow]

Support weapon Shotgun

[sinful bay]

God yes please

[blissful sparrow]

just dual wield AA12s

[sinful bay]

Shoulder Mount shotgun

Or give me what Caliban uses on the daily

[keen zinc]

Gimme a punt gun

[meager sandal]

a squad operated punt gun

[keen zinc]

Me and my buddy with our buddy team operated tactical punt gun

[meager sandal]

someone has to kneel to steady the gun

this

[sinful bay]

God yes

[copper crest]

Put the Break-Action Shotgun in the pool with say... half the cooldown of EATs :D

[blissful sparrow]

its kind of already just s 2 shot punisher 😔

[honest acorn]

lmfao

wet ubanea

[sinful bay]

Oversize the break action, short barrel and 1 handed with shield
I will pay actual money for it

[glacial light]

The shotgun shell is the length of the barrel

It hits everything in front of you

If I had the source engine video of the 16 barrel shotttttttt gun I'd share it rn

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTLkh2TJe/

[sinful bay]

1 shot and you are throw back 5 feet

[glacial light]

Imagine a handheld mortar pistol that instantly Ragdolls when you fire it just from the recoil

[forest crater]

https://youtu.be/bPG3ETj_4oc?si=2WyVpAtiQu0gDlJ2

[glacial light]

Dual wielding pocket mortars

Or pocket mortar dog

[sinful bay]

Sweet Liberty just drop the 500Kg on my feet already

[forest crater]

Every time it fires it does a series of flips and has to self-right itself

[keen zinc]

Can't wait for grenade launcher pistol

Jesus Christ Ubanea is being drop kicked

[graceful bluff]

You can't fool me this is a subnautica screenshot

wait... it actually is, isn't it

[heady halo]

i want my childhood favourite ps2 action platformer shooter gun: bouncing circular saw launcher

[graceful bluff]

Give me the unreal goop gun

[keen zinc]

[heady halo]

also a 40k melta while im wishing

[wind arrow]

imagine an april fools crossover: a whole backpack of ultrakill coins

[heady halo]

just give me a usable slide

hell for april fools give mr a vanquish slide, sliding increases speed

[honest acorn]

The Automatons Strike Back

[azure pewter]

Hit em with the Michael wave

[keen zinc]

No no

We are doing the drop kicking

[honest acorn]

The Automatons Strike Back As Weakly as their Convictions Are

[heady halo]

begun, the illuminate wars havent

[naive dragon]

tfw I can't go to the creek anymore

[glacial light]

RIP creekers will be suffering from withdrawals

They're giving guns to bugs in hope they'll shoot back like the bots do

[naive dragon]

I will simply take revenge on Ubanea

[strange vine]

https://youtu.be/YMCKX16SfnU

[naive dragon]

I love ems ;w;

[honest acorn]

https://x.com/haonfest/status/1774906925433438274?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

Haon (@haonfest) on X

After the efforts of the #Helldivers, Malevelon Creek was liberated.

SEAF Intelligence has managed to obtain this image of the Bots' Supreme Leader upon learning of this humiliating defeat

Twitter · Apr 1, 2024, 9:09 PM

[candid finch]

God everything is going so well I'm waiting for the shoe

[stiff pine]

they just zoom the galactic map out slightly and there's a full semicircle of red

[kindred lintel]

Has the post about the invisible cruisers been posted here yet?

[pale remnant]

Yeah

[cerulean sluice]

I bet they're either bot warships ready to invade, or Illuminate ships watching us

[heady halo]

those are the BUG warships

and they are reinforcing the bots till you board and destroy them

(lies)

[hot meadow]

This is so cool.

[hazy oriole]

anyone else been getting their ass whooped on retrieve essential personnel missions?

[keen zinc]

Yeah that mission type is infamously bullshit

[hazy oriole]

like i swear i've been getting even heavier bot swarms than usual on 'em

someone in my game straight up said it was bugged, idk if that's a thing

in any case, i can't seem to avoid them on operations, y'all got any tips for them?

[honest acorn]

What difficulty?

[hazy oriole]

Currently staying nice and cozy on Diff 5, might bump it up to 6 when I feel more comfortable/hit level 20

[honest acorn]

Ah ok

Difficulty 6 is sometimes really buggy with spawns

Like “worse than 9”

The general advice is to have 3 people make a defense base far from the extract site and make as much noise as possible

[heady halo]

we got DOUBLE TANKS earlier on a difficulty 4 mission, so it could be just today

[honest acorn]

With 1 person with stealth armor quietly doing doors on the side

[hazy oriole]

hmm, gotcha
any loadout reccomendations?

[honest acorn]

Not particularly

I like the big barrages

Orbital laser, 380

Mortar sentry is great

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> freedom dispensation in approximately 45 minutes?

[heady halo]

mebbe tommorow, for now i gotta sleep

[keen zinc]

Eep well

[stiff pine]

Hmm

game is crashing and generating an error report on startup

even after reinstalling

[keen zinc]

Hmmst

[kindred lintel]

ping me for democracy

[keen zinc]

I shalst

Omw home now

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI6qwMve6V4

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> legalize hellbombs

[keen zinc]

you are summoned

we need additional gamers

[tall nova]

cw: undemocratic thoughtcrimes ||lowkey I want us to lose the Creek again because it's so fun fighting there||

[forest crater]

I've seen someone make art of a Terminid Hunter plushie and. I genuinely want it so bad.

Even though I hate the little shits with a passion

It was just too cute

[kindred lintel]

lowkey get me off of these bot planets, put a major order on bugs again please

[heady halo]

you can go fight bugs

its okay

[kindred lintel]

i only really play with people on here, who seem to prefer doing major order

I just want my fire tornados back

[stark ether]

i'm concerned for what happens if we beat the bots

[merry cosmos]

I NEED STIMS

[red steeple]

Ping me any time you want to play in the fire tornadoes 🤣

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1btcwkz/cloaked_massive_ships_over_automaton_worlds/?share_id=gHR39fxbqAynKqOBrVKl5

[dusky solar]

Are those illuminate? Or do you think they're bots? Or maybe even super earth?

[honest acorn]

They've been around for some time

No idea who's they are yet

[dusky solar]

_> hmmmmmmm

Well the bots WERE talking to the illuminate

Right? The relays were pointing outside of the galaxy?

[graceful bluff]

They're pretty obviously super destroyers, probably just a bug

[cobalt patrol]

Not conviced they are, the design doesnt look right and the scale is off.

Super destroyers are flat uptop, and have more hanging down

<@&1206091872716595200> I'm not really up to vox, but anyone wanna dive?

[unkempt river]

until/unless british need kidnapped

[junior badge]

Hades and I are in the HA hangout 🙂

[cobalt patrol]

See: not up to vox 😛

[junior badge]

Also, I was joking because this was the second time that someone joined me just in time for extract and I thought it had been you.

Ah, I figured you'd still wanna listen/be able to hear us.

[cobalt patrol]

That's actgually more stress

than just talking

[junior badge]

aight, nvm then

[burnt vapor]

Probably bots looks too blocky for the illuminate their design style is more smooth and curved

[quick plinth]

Yoo

guard dog buff

open in browser

countersniper medium pen

bile titans are no longer stunnable

[hexed steeple]

slugger nerfs noooooo

actually im fine

[meager saffron]

arc thrower nerfs expected

the half-charge firing being a bug kinda wild

[quick plinth]

ah

so it wasnt intended

that explains a lot

okay hold up a sec

AMR 30% damage buff???

as in, on average one less shot for most medium targets now

also I wonder if they stralth fixed the IE Breaker bug where only the host's fire did damage and anyone else's IE only did the shot but the burn damage

[quartz cloak]

50% damage buff on the Dominator?

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer40k-tactical-marine-bolter-adeptus-astartes-gif-16749240

[stoic lotus]

@ whoever said it was intentional

[supple siren]

Exosuit nerf feels weird

[quick plinth]

yeah I noticed that too

I already thought the 200 damage was kinda busted

[stone bridge]

It's barely a nerf tbh

[quick plinth]

twice the damage of the scorcher

[hexed steeple]

stuff like the AMR ADS being off center doesn'ts eem to be in list of fixed nor known bugs? am i missing it?

[quick plinth]

no I havent seen them mention it either

[unkempt river]

Cat tax
@oblique hazel @junior badge @cobalt patrol

[stone bridge]

cat

[hexed steeple]

when's the cat gonna do its part and sign up

[stone bridge]

anyway yeah these look like good changes overall

Biles not being able to be stunned makes sense considering tanks couldn't be

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah

Honestly i'm very happy

[rotund marten]

RIP Arc Thrower

[cobalt patrol]

and i say this as a slugger main\

Nah, i dont think that's RIP - it got increased stagger force

[rotund marten]

fair enough, it was a bit good, but it's a shame that we're back to annoying stock fire rate

[quick plinth]

rip is a bit much

[cobalt patrol]

and it means you can consitnately have a rythm

[junior badge]

Now just buff the blitzer's fire rate and the arc weapons are great.

[rotund marten]

1s is the stock fire rate, which is just annoyingly slow and allows stuff to get right on top of you

[stone bridge]

It's a high damage infinite ammo weapon, you should be forced to use different things every once in a while

Take a shotty

[stoic lotus]

I feel like the arc thrower was kinda too good with the low charge time

[stone bridge]

Easy

[cobalt patrol]

Sure, but that's why you combo it with Droney into bugs

[rotund marten]

they also did just nerf my shotgun, but that was deserved

[stoic lotus]

the kinetic guard dog getting buffed is really nice actually

[cobalt patrol]

and like, given their willingness to change stuff up

[rotund marten]

Spear now very good

[stoic lotus]

I might try using that

[junior badge]

I think the biggest issue I still have are the laser weapons for now (despite my initial reaction).

Scythe and Dagger don't quite cut it (haha) while the Sickle is too good of an allrounder.

[shy prairie]

Spear buff but no lockon mentioned 😦

[cobalt patrol]

Kinetic Drone is a big buff.

Scythe i'm still mixed on - i think it's intended role as a weak spot horde c lear weapon it's really good at?

and people have mentioned doing serious work on bots with it, because you can just sweep across af ield of troopers

and tehy all die

[quick plinth]

lock-on wasnt adressed at all :(

[cobalt patrol]

Sickle, i imagine they're still gathering data

since it's only been a month, and i suspect they're not keen to instant nerf a warbond weapon

[stone bridge]

The RR and Spear buffs are mad good

3 rockets per resupply

[cobalt patrol]

(also because i think people overrate it vs other oiptions, it's a great workhorse, but only a workhorse)

Very happy aobut those buffs

[mortal wing]

Weapon changes feel nice overall. Gonna try dominator again methinks.

[quartz cloak]

Oh I'm so going back to the dominator

[rotund marten]

I still have my scorcher for bots, but I'm just hoping the slugger can still knock back Brood Commanders and onetap Hunters, since if it can't it's back to the Punisher for me

[quartz cloak]

I loved it even pre-buff

[mortal wing]

It was not too bad pre-patch

My biggest problem with it is still visibility when shooting it

smoke

[quick plinth]

ive been mostly using the dominator and ill say I didnt even think it necessarily needed a buff

[stoic lotus]

guess it's time to save up SC for the steeled veterans pass

[quick plinth]

one tapping devs on the head

[unkempt river]

Punisher is very good for this. Sickle, while less effective at the knock back part, is also very good at cutting off limbs and such on Brood Commanders and Hive Guards

[quick plinth]

one tapping raiders/troopers

[junior badge]

It's okay at that, I think.
It would really benefit from swapping scopes with the Sickle, which would also immediately make the Sickle less of a perfect all-rounder.
I don't think either one needs big changes. A few less mags for the Sickle, swap scopes...

Well okay, the scopes would be a big change.

But it wouldn't change the damage output.

[cobalt patrol]

Sickle i do think has too many mags, but agian, given the way they balance so far

i'm confidnet it'll change if it's really proving to be a problem

[unkempt river]

In about 30 minutes I'll be hopping back on (most likely) and I'd be willing to run some lower dif missions to round up SC if you're around

[quick plinth]

I guess those thresholds are just more consistent now, rather than sometimes not happening (in the case of the raiders and troopers)

[junior badge]

The dagger just needs more damage, because it's just too low rn.

[rotund marten]

I cannot stand the continuous laser weapons for some reason, regardless of how good they are

just a me thing

[stoic lotus]

sounds good

[cobalt patrol]

i'm kinda the same tbh, misc

[quick plinth]

wait wait wait Countersniper is now MEDIUM pen, actually a reason to use it

[cobalt patrol]

Just give me fusion rifles from D2, plz

[stoic lotus]

gimme a ping or something when you're around hades

[rotund marten]

countersniper was always medium pen, it was just lying

[stoic lotus]

no I'm pretty sure it wasn't

because it was basically a pointless weapon

[rotund marten]

pretty sure it was, it could go through Hive Guard plates

it just did very little damage once it got there

[mortal wing]

Any thought on exosuit rockets now only penetrating armor on direct hit?

[quick plinth]

makes sense

[junior badge]

Diligence Counter Sniper: increased armor penetration from light to medium.

So they certainly buffed it a bit.

[stoic lotus]

also in terms of continuous laser weapons, the laser cannon does good work on bots

[quick plinth]

why would splash pen armor

[rotund marten]

it does, lascannon is an excellent weapon, I just don't like it

interested in new Dominator for bots, since the main use of the slugger was oneshotting standard robits and staggering devastators with each hit while fishing for headshots

[junior badge]

I'm still not sold on it being excellent, but it works.

[rotund marten]

Dom can maybe do that

[stone bridge]

The Exosuit change is insanely minor, imo

[junior badge]

Dom can now almost certainly do that - it was already great at getting dev headshots, imo.

[stone bridge]

When were you deliberately splashing to pen armour anyway

[stoic lotus]

one of the things they mentioned, the explosions registering hits against helldivers multiple times, is a really nice thing to patch out

I've definitely felt like I've been outright oneshot by bot explosions before when usually they don't do that much damage

[junior badge]

ooh, also new ranks and titles!

[shy prairie]

Wonder how the spewer damage feels now

[junior badge]

Fleet Admiral, Admirable Admiral ?!

[quick plinth]

Dom already onetapped devs on the head as well as raiders, just a tad less consistently than now (in regards to raiders/troopers)

whats huge is when you can get behind big stuff

[stone bridge]

It will 100% body shot small guys now

the Dominator

[quick plinth]

since it counts as explosive

so weakpoints go bye bye

[junior badge]

oh yeah

[rotund marten]

yeah, this buff might be the thing that finally gets me to get used to the sluggish projective velocity

[quick plinth]

Yeah it takes some getting used to.

though imo it shouldn't have that issue, since it has both cartridge and rocket propellant

[graceful bluff]

I wonder why they nerfed the worst weapon in the game, the arcthrower

[stoic lotus]

[stone bridge]

[blissful sparrow]

[quick plinth]

how did I miss that

[hexed steeple]

we're so back?

[graceful bluff]

But people keep telling me it's garbage, it must be true!

[cobalt patrol]

Hidden change: EXP has been uncapped it seems, and the game kept track, so there's new titles you can have

like Admirable admiral.

[quartz cloak]

So, the Dominator is really good

[cobalt patrol]

I shot up to level 75 now

[quartz cloak]

Fragging hell

[quick plinth]

oh I wonder what level I'll end up being once I get home

[quick plinth]

even better than before I'd assume, though I understand people who didn't like it

[fallen tendon]

Oh so that's why rocket raider ranged from tickling me to a flying giblet shotgun

[quartz cloak]

Also uhhh, another hidden change

[unkempt river]

😱

[stone bridge]

whassat

[graceful bluff]

fucking 50% increase to dominator damage what

it has to consistently onetap now

[quick plinth]

"Holy mother of Joseph" - Soldier TF2

[graceful bluff]

also the spear and RR change sounds so comfy

[quick plinth]

I just wish they at least mentioned the lockon

let us know if its meant to be this way or not

[cobalt patrol]

What am i looking at, aircraft?

[quick plinth]

presumably, automaton gunships

[quartz cloak]

YEP

[quick plinth]

(though when I hear gunship I think attack helicopter, these look more like attack drones)

[quartz cloak]

They're big

[quick plinth]

ah, so they were just really far away

[stone bridge]

oh dear

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge You missed fuin earlier. Bug mission.

3. 3 shrierker twoers in one mission

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyjOR8IDBjA

[stone bridge]

hell yeah

[quick plinth]

they rain rockets from above????

that's gonna suck getting used to if its not telegraphed well

[quartz cloak]

No, just Very Heavy Machine Guns

[quick plinth]

idkk

[graceful bluff]

Still saying they should let us parry rockets with melee

[quartz cloak]

I didn't even notice

[rotund marten]

let's see what rank I am

I think I'm a bit behind Penguin

[quick plinth]

better angle

[graceful bluff]

https://youtu.be/EkRn5rlJcAI?t=31 Let me do this to a rocket devastator

Also I just thought of something, I wonder if the anti air stuff is gonna work on the bile titan due to its size

considering bugs don't really have anything big that flies

[quick plinth]

it better, the BTs now dont get stunned by anything if the changelog is to be believed

[graceful bluff]

||This is not me telling them to add flying bile titans||

[quick plinth]

||flying chargers||

[unkempt river]

@stoic lotus once the patch is pulled, I'll be booting up

[quartz cloak]

So uhh, good news
The ||Gunships|| are tied to a very obvious secondary

Bad news, They do not fuck around

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/terence-angry-birds-grin-mm-troll-gif-22364866

[quartz cloak]

We have been officially demoted to Vietcong

[cobalt patrol]

A metal gear revengence enjoyer

[graceful bluff]

I mean yes, but I was thinking more wesker

because I love that goober

[stoic lotus]

turns out I'm busy sorry

[unkempt river]

nw

@rotund marten alex is busy, if you're still interested in playing

[rotund marten]

I am, but I am only 30% done with the patch so I may be ten minutes

[barren iron]

not yet

[modest fiber]

well there is one :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5f9reK5CAE

[alpine seal]

i've also seen word that there's ||another new enemy hinted at from the ps5 preview||

[burnt vapor]

So regarding the exosuit changes correct me if my reading comprehension has just failed but could this actually be talking about bot rockets?

[alpine seal]

||officially it is called the "factory strider". it has 2 machineguns on its head and a cannon turret on its back||

[unkempt river]

I'M SCARED

[tiny flume]

Stuff that sized probably doesn't get dropped in

So I wonder if they're pre-spawned on the map

Like a wondering POI sorta deal

[burnt vapor]

Secondary objective like the special bug nests perhaps?

[shy prairie]

Here's hoping it's a primary

[alpine seal]

it doesn't seem to be a secondary objective from the footage i've seen

[burnt vapor]

Could well be around diff 3-5 I think

[alpine seal]

i bet it is one like the bile titan mission on bugs

this is... significantly worse than a titan on the enemies to freedom scale though, i will say

[unkempt river]

especially if the "factory" part of its name is accurate

[shy prairie]

Yeah I wouldn't count that

[eager pine]

Oh damn they buffed my favorite primary.

[unkempt river]

Legally Disctinct Bolter?

[eager pine]

Yeah

It's so good against bots

They buffed the damage by 50% FFS

[south temple]

oh shit

i gotta get steeled veterans

[cobalt patrol]

I think i still prefer the scorcher?

[alpine seal]

i've always been a dominator believer but now that it is a whole 1.5x stronger i might have to pick it up full time

[cobalt patrol]

but it feels a lot better now

[eager pine]

Dominator is good against bugs too but there are so many scavengers that it's usually better to bring something smaller like the new laser rifle.

Shrieker corpses now less likely to one shot you

[craggy lagoon]

Dominator party time

The one thing I wish they would fix on the doninator is its agility. If it was slightly faster to snap to cursor I would be so happy

Also it's bullet drop is insane but I can live with it

[eager pine]

As annoying as that is, I feel like it might be too powerful at that point.

[craggy lagoon]

True. Our very own Bolter

[eager pine]

Dominator is slow af

But when you hit things they feel it.

Also that terrible DMR got medium armor pen

[alpine seal]

it's definitely being tuned to be a hard hitting gun that handles terribly as its intended downside

[craggy lagoon]

Are those worth it to do anything, the precision rifles

[alpine seal]

i don't think the diligence countersniper deserves that treatment but looks like it's stuck there too

[craggy lagoon]

Like the explosive weapons just do everything they do but more forgiving aim

[eager pine]

I really like how it matches my Pathfinder armor

[alpine seal]

valid!

[eager pine]

But I don't use it cause it's so bad

Like, can't drop raiders in one shot most of the time. Can't fire accurately again quick enough to finish them off before they fire a flair... what's even the point.

Just use Dominator. :p

Oh sweet they fixed the hellpod steering near objectives. XD

God, I just use XD in place of normal smilies at this point...

That one streamer I used to watch all the time used it and I picked it up from here and I've never stopped.

Rawr.

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> looking for 2 more in HA!

[alpine seal]

saw gunships myself for the first time and was about to call the hellbomb before the host disconnected

was about to get to the fun part >:|

[rotund marten]

tada

[unreal merlin]

Gunships are cool, very good enemy addition.

[rotund marten]

apparently I'm a Fleet Admiral now

[south temple]

how're the slugger nerfs?

[craggy lagoon]

How do you sign up for helldivers roles?

[alpine seal]

you definitely feel the stagger decrease vs. devastators but it's not as over as people claim

[cobalt patrol]

Need to give them a run, but they seem very not bad

and if it's still a one shot kill on the head

like

Oh No.

[fallen tendon]

dilligence is good for bots when you don't want the aoe (teammates) or want much longer range to take stuff out. The only things it can't deal with are tank turrets, tanks, and hulks

counter sniper I haven't bothered to grab as of yet, maybe that'll change but unlikely

[alpine seal]

though the biggest nerf is that it no longer destroys crates

which is half the reason one brought slugger in cases

[south temple]

win ok

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> got room for 3 more in my ship if anyone wnats to explore some botatons

[unkempt river]

@cobalt patrol join us

[blissful sparrow]

can still just shoot the explosive barrels next to the slugger

[naive dragon]

• Bile Spewer and Nursing Spewer do less damage with their puke.

Thank you

[graceful bluff]

oh my god they made the arc thrower silly

it staggers hulks

[keen zinc]

Did they fix any iron sight alignments or crosshairs

[stone bridge]

nope

[keen zinc]

[alpine seal]

WHAT

that's a lot of stagger!

[south temple]

SCARY

[graceful bluff]

it staggerlocks them even

same with devs

[alpine seal]

i was expecting the arc thrower to get put into railgun tier purgatory but good to see it's still doing cool stuff with the adjustment

[graceful bluff]

I honestly like it better now

it fires slower but it's very anti berserker now

[alpine seal]

excellent

the dominator also feels extremely good for cleaving berserkers in twain now

[quick plinth]

the railgun isn't in purgatory as much as people have stopped using it because they saw "nerf" and immedately discounted it

it's still good for mediums and weapointing some things

ill agree it could use a bump, but for the ammo pool it has and being backpackless it's aight rn

[alpine seal]

as for the thing that worried me the most: devastator "constellation" spawns do in fact hurt a lot

i've seen more grouped rocket devastators, but at least they deal the intended amount of damage instead of doming you even with heavy explosive resist armor now

not to mention the sky rocket devastators

i was extremely worried that heavy devastators would be way more common but it seems the base devastators which are a lot dinkier ended up in their stead

which is good

[keen zinc]

Does the HMG still have no crosshair

[quick plinth]

I've jumped to lvl 75 as well huh

[keen zinc]

I wonder what I'm gonna be

[quick plinth]

so far it seems to be the new cap I think

also they fixed the defense evacuates

so that's nice

[heady halo]

no sights or crosshairs or scope alterations at all so far

[burnt vapor]

Am I crazy or is that charge meter new?

[heady halo]

oh yo i am instantly a liar that does look new

[alpine seal]

it's new

[quick plinth]

new new

[alpine seal]

goes up to 150 as a matter of fact

[quick plinth]

oh

huh

[burnt vapor]

ngl didn't even see your message before I sent that

[idle hollow]

the day after i complained about them they get fixed

nice

[heady halo]

u dont gotta thank you for sharin for real reals

[alpine seal]

unfortunately i can confirm that the HMG continues to lack a third person crosshair

[keen zinc]

Did they fix it's first person sight?

If they changed the quasar sight but not the HMG I'm gonna be perturbed

A lil miffed

[alpine seal]

probably not

[keen zinc]

Huge cringe

[alpine seal]

can't say exactly since i got too used to the lowered bullet but it seems to still be a bit misaligned

[muted burrow]

I'm hearing big anti materiel buff?

[stoic lotus]

I think it just got a fire rate upgrade

[graceful bluff]

arc thrower+autocannon turret just feels like bullying now

it's just shooting stationary targets

[muted burrow]

oop

[cobalt patrol]

30% damage increase.

So yes, dramatic buff.

[muted burrow]

that's nice 😌

i started taking it over the machine gun, so that's a nice bonus

[keen zinc]

crazy that they buffed it without fixing the sight

[copper crest]

It's already a high-damage gun tho, so what breakpoints does that hit?

[muted burrow]

what's wrong with the sight 😨

[keen zinc]

it is misaligned with the scope crosshair

[cobalt patrol]

The misaligntment may be more complicated

[muted burrow]

oh

[cobalt patrol]

https://i.redd.it/m1wa7gjgh1sc1.png

[keen zinc]

neato

[graceful bluff]

yeah the misalignment is a fucker because it's like real life, bullets go out of the gun not the center of your screen

[stoic lotus]

my understanding is that real life guns do still fire where you aim them

[keen zinc]

yeah

the sight isnt zeroed correctly

[idle hollow]

slugger got gutted

sobbing

[cobalt patrol]

it really didnt though?

[idle hollow]

the lack of stager is just

awful

[idle hollow]

you try fighting heavy devastators with it now

[muted burrow]

do breakpoints mean how many shots you need for a kill

[idle hollow]

it's awful

[cobalt patrol]

The stagger just let you mindlessly brute force thuings even if you missed your shots.

[stoic lotus]

ye

[idle hollow]

and?

also >missed your shots

what

[cobalt patrol]

Now it's a choice between using the actual stagger shotgun (punisher) or the precision shotgun.

as in missed the weak points

the slugger's a precision wepaon, it's suipposed to pop heads

[idle hollow]

paperweight then

great

[stoic lotus]

[cobalt patrol]

Defintely a healthy and normal way to view the game, sure.

[keen zinc]

punisher gang stay winning

[idle hollow]

you try consistently hitting heads with ten heavy devs + mg raiders + rocket raiders + a hulk bearing down on you

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, most weapons are going to have trouble in that situation.

[idle hollow]

especially with the scuffed sights

[cobalt patrol]

Hyperbole doesnt help.

[idle hollow]

and neither does no stagger

[cobalt patrol]

Then if you want the stagger, take the punisher or the arc thrower.

[idle hollow]

the punisher doesnt even damage devastators unless you hit the head last i remember

[cobalt patrol]

both of which care a lot less abnout the aim.

[stoic lotus]

the punisher kills devs basically as well as the pre-patch slugger did

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, it's a trade off.

[idle hollow]

trade off for a worse gun?

[stoic lotus]

I never had any trouble stunlocking and killing devs with the punisher

it's very good at it

[idle hollow]

i havent used the punisher in ages

[cobalt patrol]

The slugger being able to stun lock things while also being able to one hit kill Devastators was silly.

[idle hollow]

because why would i use buckshot against robots when i have a slug

[forest crater]

Can confirm

[cobalt patrol]

Afaik, it still one shots too the head

[forest crater]

Oops sorry about the ping

But yes

I can confirm

[stoic lotus]

I would consider trying the options you are complaining about being bad before you make judgements against them

[idle hollow]

i just tried the slugger

[forest crater]

Punisher is great for stunlocking bots

[idle hollow]

it was atrocious

[stoic lotus]

try the punisher

[idle hollow]

yes im going to

[forest crater]

And because it's buckshot, you don't need to worry about aiming precisely for the weak point to stagger them

[cobalt patrol]

Personally I moved over to the Scorcher a while back as it's more flexible into bots

[forest crater]

Just aim above the waist and 8/10 times you'll stagger them

[cobalt patrol]

At cost of ammo efficiency and self harm risk

[graceful bluff]

Only if zeroed correctly

[glacial light]

I'm gonna see if the mech is good against bots now

[graceful bluff]

There's some scope mounts that are notorious for losing zero incredibly fast

[glacial light]

And bless the shrieker nerf

[unreal merlin]

Reportedly it's a lot tankier due to the rocket bugfix.

[graceful bluff]

and even just knocking your gun on something can fuck up the zero

[glacial light]

And spewer nerf

[forest crater]

Wait

Was there a recent patch?

[graceful bluff]

yes

[unreal merlin]

yeah. good patch

[cobalt patrol]

Very good patch

[graceful bluff]

Here's the list

[cobalt patrol]

mostly buffs, slugger got love tapped, power got moved around on the arc thrower (lost range and firespeed, gained immense amounts of stagger)

[alpine seal]

breaker incendiary getting a 33% damage buff AND all sources of fire getting a 50% dot buff* (barring any client side issues) sounds like it'll be straight up unfair vs the little bugs

[sinful bay]

LONG patch

[glacial light]

And heavy armor minor buff? Bless I'm gonna try out non explosive resist heavy armor on bots now

[alpine seal]

can't wait to try it out on the bugs once this whole bot business is over

[unreal merlin]

yeah flame trooper loadouts are cooking now (get it)

[cobalt patrol]

Medium armor buff is notable, i survived an arc thrower bounce!

[graceful bluff]

Honestly the breaker vs bugs is probably better than the flamethrower for hordeclear now

due to the longer range

[sinful bay]

ok but hear me out

Flamethrower is fun

[cobalt patrol]

also FT still mashes chargers and heavier targets

[forest crater]

Flamethrower is fun

[graceful bluff]

it is, but it's practically am elee weapon

[cobalt patrol]

which is it's real role

Given how fast it kills cahrgers and brood commanders etc

this is not a problem

[sinful bay]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[unreal merlin]

Flamethrower + Napalm Grenade + Medic Armor + Shield Pack

Suggested: Eagle Napalm and Orbital Gas

[cobalt patrol]

Only reason i wrinkle my nose there is that blowing up bases gets hard

[idle hollow]

okay punisher actually works alright

[sinful bay]

Good because after a while it became monotonous

[cobalt patrol]

So i just checked, slugger is still a 1/hit kill on Devs to the head

and they stil lactually flinch a bit

interestingly, it doesnt seem to pen even the strider crotch anymore though

[sinful bay]

😦

[forest crater]

it will now always take 1s to charge a shot

[graceful bluff]

Might have to be the hips

[graceful bluff]

It's a bit sad but honestly it's fine

[forest crater]

Did they remove the quick charging after firing a full charge?

[graceful bluff]

That was never a thing

[blissful sparrow]

slugger never penned crotch for me, only hip joint

[muted burrow]

which gun is slugger?

[graceful bluff]

slug shotgun

[alpine seal]

arc thrower got a firerate and range nerf in exchange for bullying large targets

[forest crater]

Sounds like gaslighting but ok

[graceful bluff]

There was so much false info about the arc thrower and how it worked

[unreal merlin]

The half-charging of the arc thrower was presumably a bug.

[forest crater]

Oh

[keen zinc]

Lmao

[forest crater]

Neat

[muted burrow]

ah it's a bit further in the warbond than I've gotten

[keen zinc]

I EAT Devastators with my punisher

[cobalt patrol]

anyway, slugger into bots feels fine?

it still staggers them too.

You just actually have to aim now and get punished for bad aim with it

[blissful sparrow]

how does slugger feel into zerkers now?

[graceful bluff]

I like the dominator for devs because you can burst into their head if needed

[keen zinc]

The Church of Buckshot Punishment

[cobalt patrol]

Still okay, good if you can get the headshots.

[graceful bluff]

The punisher is really nice for heavy dev backpacks though

or as some call it, buckshot backshots

[keen zinc]

Punisher is nice for everything

[cobalt patrol]

l,ike basically all the changes have done is sharpen the weapon to "this is the headshot shotgun"

[forest crater]

H U H

[forest crater]

Indeed

[sinful bay]

Just as I finally got the slugger
It got nerfed
Back to the punisher me guess

[graceful bluff]

it's fine still

[forest crater]

Also

[cobalt patrol]

Mizxu. Seriously. It's fine.

[forest crater]

Speaking of the slugger

[graceful bluff]

it got fingerflicked

[forest crater]

It's demolition force

[cobalt patrol]

the nerf literally changes it so you cant mindlessly bully things.

[forest crater]

Is that referencing the fact it can open crates?

[keen zinc]

Punisher is now the numba one bully gun

[cobalt patrol]

Demo force is how easily it breaks limbs off etc

[forest crater]

Punisher mains stay winning

[forest crater]

Ohhh I see

[stoic lotus]

nalesh is right you could partially charge it from the get go without having to fully charge it first

[sinful bay]

Oh! Good, thank

[forest crater]

Ohhh

[graceful bluff]

Like I probably got the most time with the arc thrower out of anyone here :v

[forest crater]

I thought you had to full charge before doing the half charges

[stoic lotus]

nope

[merry cosmos]

Dose anyone else like the ballistic sheld?

[forest crater]

Bet.

I only didn't use it while it was buggy

And...when I didn't have it unlocked.

[graceful bluff]

There were so many tiers of false information:
You can do 3 quick charges for full damage after fully charging (false)
You can do infinite amounts of full damage quick charges after fully charging as long as you don't stop firing (false)
You can shoot faster after fully charging (false)

[cobalt patrol]

Anyway, qucik slugger on bots test:

Can't bully heavy devs anymore, but still 1 hit kills them to the head.
One taps troopers to the body still, including maruaders etc.
AP seems to have changed? It's capable of grey-hits on Tank and Cannon vents now, which it wasnt before.

It bounced off those previously.

[forest crater]

Me when I'm in a spreading misinformation competition and my opponent is an arc thrower statistics enthusiast:

[cobalt patrol]

not a very good option for killing them, but you can do it.

[glad orchid]

Ballistic shield’s fine for bot survivability

More consistent than the projected shield, especially when running away so you don’t get hit by stray fire

[merry cosmos]

I like combining it with the defender smg and hmg

[graceful bluff]

Something I really want with the ballstic shield is being able to place it as cover

[forest crater]

Wait

Does

Does the Senator have medium pen now?

[graceful bluff]

always has

[forest crater]

Oh

[junior badge]

yeah that was just a fix to the description 🙂

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-senator-armstrong-tear-smile-wholesome-senator-armstrong-smile-senator-armstrong-proud-armstrong-smile-gif-25514955

[keen zinc]

That's why I always used it

Hive guard remover

I'm gonna pay you six shots to fuck off

[cobalt patrol]

Hive guards it takes 2 shots wit hte slugger to remove a limb now, not one

[keen zinc]

What a tragedy

[cobalt patrol]

But it's still a one shot to the head

It seems to now reliably 2-tap biles to the head as well.

which it was 3-4 befdore.

[graceful bluff]

I just realized a calldown I really want

[keen zinc]

Sounds like they rounded up it's armor pen

[graceful bluff]

Basically the hmg turret but it affects whatever gun you strap onto it

[cobalt patrol]

Still one shots Hunters and Warriors

Hunters anywhere, warriors to the head.

[graceful bluff]

so like it has a set ammo pool but you just plop down say an autocannon on it and go to town

[keen zinc]

Better idea

Tripod backpack

Allows you to deploy a tripod mount

[cobalt patrol]

3 hits to the brood commander's head is still a kill

...so yeah, Slugger's fine

it's just not a lolwinmore button anymore.

[blissful sparrow]

i want crewserved MG already 😔

[graceful bluff]

Slugger got the punishment of a favourite child

[keen zinc]

I might try out the counter sniper

[graceful bluff]

I'm actually not sure if giving it medium pen is enough to save it

[keen zinc]

For my next trick I'll make a dollar crawl up out your wallet, disappear, and reappear inside my pocket.

[alpine seal]

the gunships are miserable to fight without a dedicated heavy armor weapon like the anti-tank suite or autocannons

funnily enough this is making me reappraise the autocannon centry

[graceful bluff]

I wonder how the arc thrower deals with it

Honetly might be interesting to retool the rocket turret to have homing missiles vs air targets

[keen zinc]

HMG if it had a fucking crosshair might be good for that

[strange vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217293896124731453/1224709882284867624/rapidsave.com_new_enemies_seen_on_the_automaton_side-egspkz7ta1sc1.mp4?ex=661e7af5&is=660c05f5&hm=1b1465f3cf50f29ef1d85d4a895994824c0bd85662a9c9b75a82a7ef91650fb7&

[keen zinc]

IIINCOMIIIING

[graceful bluff]

if they made it so you could see if a map would have flyers I'd really want just a miniature version of the sam site

[forest crater]

Oh gods yes

A rocket pod version of an EAT?

With homing??

Yes please.

[sinful bay]

Ballistic Shield got a small buff
noice

[forest crater]

I'm excited to see how much stagger the AT has now

[keen zinc]

The Commando is literally what y'all describing

[cobalt patrol]

So much. Bully hulks level.

[keen zinc]

It's probably gonna be the anti air gun

Heat seeking multiple launch system

[forest crater]

Ok but does it fire all the missiles at once?

[forest crater]

YES

[keen zinc]

You could theoretically fire them in rapid succession

[copper crest]

Oh wow, I bet y'all are glad they fixed automaton rocket damage

[cobalt patrol]

It's really nice!

The 5% damage decrease from med armor is goodo too

[alpine seal]

justifying a pure anti-air support weapon will be an interesting balance given the two air units are currently tied to side objectives which may not spawn

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, anyone feel like a quick bot 7 to wrap the evening up? <@&1206091872716595200>

[alpine seal]

i could see an air unit get sorted into regular spawns at some point

[rotund marten]

I can be there in about five minutes

[alpine seal]

something like a special bot drop that spawns a gunship air raid or so

[cobalt patrol]

@rotund marten Sounds good

[idle hollow]

OH YEAH UH

GUNSHIPS ARE HERE : )

they really are just terminator hk choppers

[alpine seal]

and there's no heavy bug flier yet, which if added i assume would be a regular world spawn as well

[forest crater]

I guess that's what we get for not liberating Tibit in time

[alpine seal]

no clue what they'd be but it feels right to round out the roster at some point

[forest crater]

It's just a fucking dragon

[idle hollow]

acid dragon...

[keen zinc]

||It is called a dragon in the files||

Spoiler for leaked info

[copper crest]

Well and also dropships

[keen zinc]

I doubt the Commando will be exclusively anti air

But it will be good at it

It was great in HD1

I can see a good Bot team set up being Quasar, Autocannon, Commando

[forest crater]

What.

[forest crater]

||Is there a model for it too?||

[strange vine]

we

[keen zinc]

I don't want to believe

[stoic lotus]

tough shit

you're believing

[keen zinc]

Yesterday me and Calico went on a mission and I actually looked around at the sky knowing what to look for and

Holy fuck

They are everywhere

[blissful sparrow]

It is either in weaponsrange or not worthy of attention

[graceful bluff]

They still just look like superdestroyers to me

just from a weird angle

[keen zinc]

They're fucking everywhere

[keen zinc]

They're very clearly different when side by side

[keen zinc]

||No, just file names||

[blissful sparrow]

i'd laugh my ass off if it turns out its just like the shadows of SDs hitting a skybox layer or something like that

[graceful bluff]

It's honestly what it looks like to me

[keen zinc]

Nah, you can see them in open skies they're just really hard to see

[blissful sparrow]

like the layer where helldivers spawn in

[cobalt patrol]

@rotund marten how we looking?

[keen zinc]

LMAO

THE NEW HIGHEST RANKS ARE "PRIVATE" AND "SUPER PRIVATE"

which means ALL OUR PREVIOUS RANKS ARE JUST FLUFF

You have to get to level 140 to achieve the rank of a SEAF Private

[rotund marten]

I'm here, phone rang about a job interview

[steady bone]

man I can't wait to be super private so people stop asking about my life

[cobalt patrol]

Just waiting on you to join up then

<@&1206091872716595200> Room for 2 more people in HA hangout

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/qDscjuzGmD

Is it just me or is it slightly closer to center than it used to be

It's not fixed but this looks slightly better than before

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/iNE1FHJz9F

YOOOO

Wait, you don't drop the ballistic shield anymore?

[glacial light]

So many amazing details to attention

Hot damn the level cap is 150

If the reddit is correct

[keen zinc]

Yep

[glacial light]

Guard dog now refilling fully from ammo packs seems great

[keen zinc]

Ammo packs?

Not just supply packs?

[glacial light]

Ok you're corrdct it's supply boxes

[keen zinc]

Fuck the jump pack might actually have some competition with the ballistic shield and guard dog

[keen zinc]

It might be ammo too

We have to see

[glacial light]

If guard dog is smart enough not to shoot constantly I might bring it to bugs more

Liberator AP has full auto? Interesting but it sounds super ammo intensive considering it's ammo couny

[quick plinth]

gun dog is probably gonna be nicer now

[keen zinc]

@cobalt patrol @rotund marten @graceful bluff one of you test to see if the X-03 Prototype helmets dirt regions are still broken k thnx

I wanna put my funny egg dog helmet back on

[tall nova]

Is there a reason to run gun dog over laser dog?

[strange vine]

slightly less chance of friendly fire and it can snipe heads better i think

but the ammo issue is a major one

[blissful sparrow]

it does deal more damage, but has limited ammo

[hexed steeple]

at least you can reload it now

gave it a try earlier and it does have a better time to kill but gets a lil hungry

[cobalt patrol]

Noticably more damage iirc

[keen zinc]

Does it get refilled by ammo pickups or only resupply?

If it gets ammo from pickups I might actually use it

[tall nova]

The increased damage doesnt seem worth having the ammo. I use the guard dog as constant passive damage

[keen zinc]

Like I said, if it reloads off normal ammo pickups it's totally considerable

Man people on the reddit crying about the slugger

[cobalt patrol]

It's so infuriating

it got love tapped.

[keen zinc]

"NO OTHER WEAPON CAN STAGGER DEVASTATORS" this is precisely why it needed to be nerfed because people genuinely never used anything else

[cobalt patrol]

youi just cant use it mindlesslyany more

[keen zinc]

The punisher still staggers

[stoic lotus]

have they actually played the game bc you unlock the punisher basically immediately and way way before the slugger

[keen zinc]

It was dumb the slugger had the same ability to stagger with the addition of greater range and medium pen

No they are meta slaves

They don't try other things

But also declare no other things exist

[stoic lotus]

truly lost in the sauce

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah

Like honestly, i had already gone off slugger on bots

i think the Scorcher is more flexible

and the dmoinator is very good now

Sickle also great.

[honest acorn]

There actually is another weapons which can… spoken of in fables

||lib concussive||

[keen zinc]

Lmao

Now the Dominator can

Steeled Veterans finally worth the sauce

[junior badge]

Also, arc weapons!

Arc thrower almost bowls them over

As does the dominator.

Which you just said.

[forest crater]

I'm very surprised the AT didn't get a direct damage/armor pen nerf

[keen zinc]

Gamers upset their primary cannot do everything better than everything else

[dusky solar]

I recently swapped to scorcher

Definitely miss the slugger tho

[keen zinc]

It's still there

[dusky solar]

Not if the stagger is gone LMAO

[keen zinc]

It just doesn't do both the jobs of the punisher and counter sniper better than both of them, now

[dusky solar]

Purely outclassed by scorcher now imo, it was borderline before

Kind of a moot point given the existence of the autocannon tbf

Very excited for lib pen full auto

[forest crater]

I think, one of my favorite tiny details in the game, is that if you're holding a charge with the arc thrower and die, it still lets off the shot because you're no longer holding the trigger

[dusky solar]

Not sure how i feel about the arc thrower change. I'm going to miss the 40% dps loss now that you can't chain fast shots after a full charge anymore

But at the same time, if it can stagger chargers...

[forest crater]

It CAN?

Holy moly

[dusky solar]

I haven't tried it yet

[forest crater]

Oh

[cobalt patrol]

It can stagger hulks

[dusky solar]

T_T ye

[forest crater]

I just noticed if

[cobalt patrol]

Outright bully them.

[dusky solar]

At least you can still stun grenade bots

I've been doing autocannon, orb rail, 500kg, orb laser, with scorcher and stuns vs bots

Crazy good vs hulks

[graceful bluff]

The arc thrower one or two taps hulks if it hits the head now too

[rotund marten]

I was basically randomly grabbing the scorcher or the slugger depending on whims, they're very similar weapons for bots

scorcher has a major advantage over the dominator in how quick and handy it is to use

and the fact it just ruins scout striders

but dominator is better for devs

[barren iron]

liberator penetrator having full auto is so good

[glad orchid]

I was a little disappointed by the liberator pen the first time I tried it, maybe I'll give it a go again

[south temple]

i fuck with the lib pen so much

it just sucks that it feels like i’m tickling berserkers

[glad orchid]

I love the slugger and punisher for that. Feels nice to stagger the big meaty boys when they charge you

[south temple]

cutting shit in half with shotguns is why i’m so addicted to the game

[unkempt river]

I'd almost say run the Big Iron as your secondary for the LibPen. It's V good at saying "begone, thot" to Berserkers

[south temple]

oooh i should

quickdraw gaming

[keen zinc]

In what world should a primary be competing with a backpack loading support weapon

[cobalt patrol]

I think if I wasn't autocannoning, the Dom would pull ahead, but it's so easy to just autocannon Devs down and use the Scorcher for troops or individual, the Scorcher makes more sense currently

[rotund marten]

yeah I have a similar thought process with the grenade launcher

GL flattens dev packs at most ranges

dom probably better if you're going RR/Quasar/Spear

spear might actually be worth a shout now it's easier to resupply

[cobalt patrol]

I should take give it another go, I just wasn't very good at it, and I've grown very fond of the autocannon flow

[cobalt patrol]

Reportedly it's lock on is better too

[rotund marten]

the GL is just kind of the Everything Gun, only biles and hulks will stonewall you and I think it was even in one of the developer reports as Perfectly Standard Support Weapon

but I do want to try new Spear

it's fun to hit towers from the next planetary body

[keen zinc]

Automaton rockets not one shotting is so nice if true

[keen zinc]

I have heard scuttlebutt that the spear lock on is better now as well

Also THE BALLISTIC SHIELD FINALLY GOT A WRIST STRAP

if you get ragdolled it just goes back onto your back instead of falling off

[oblique storm]

Why does this game take so fucking long to patch

[graceful bluff]

western dev

(seriously though, it's using a file solution highly optimized for consoles)

[rotund marten]

oh thank fuck

still worse proj shield but at least usable

[graceful bluff]

it's better against heavy devs

[keen zinc]

Once we get more one handed weapons

It'll be nice

Gimme the Ninja, AH

[graceful bluff]

I'm still half tempted to upgrade just to get the knight

[keen zinc]

It's not good

[honest acorn]

I don’t really like how “we fixed bot spawns so there aren’t so many devastators :)” means “enjoy one (1) Billion Berserkers”

[keen zinc]

The Knight is not good

[south temple]

i do really like running the defender and shield combo

[graceful bluff]

Heard the knight was good in first person

[south temple]

kill 6 billion berserkers is just the bot experience tho

[stoic lotus]

I enjoy saving people from denjis

if they're not in a column blocking each other you can stunlock like 3 at once with a punisher

[south temple]

throwing a stun grenade into the crowd is so fun

[stoic lotus]

I tend to eagle strafe them

[south temple]

stun grenade > slugger headshots > instant dopamine

[oblique lotus]

cooldown and callin modifiers nerfed

oh thank god

[keen zinc]

I hear more scuttlebutt that the AMR is still not centered in your screen but bullets actually hit closer to the crosshair now

[graceful bluff]

Just remove the 3 stratagem max one tia

[keen zinc]

So maybe AMR gang? Maybe?

If so I'm gonna be very happy

[south temple]

TRUE i fucking hate waiting 1000 years for my shit to cool down

[south temple]

tbh i don’t find that one too bad

[keen zinc]

AMR is one of my faves but the sight being so off was irritating

[graceful bluff]

It's just less fun

Doesn't make it much harder

[south temple]

that’s true

[oblique lotus]

its more having to predict where enemies will be six seconds after I throw a strat beacon

or waiting four minutes for extract

[south temple]

that’s what EMS is for

[south temple]

TRUE THAT SHIT SUCKS FOR REAL

[oblique lotus]

I only have so many stun nades

[stoic lotus]

the 4 minute extract is brutal

I like the 3 stratagem one because I can bring a jump pack as one of the three which is just objectively a bad decision

[south temple]

idk i run the mortar or orbital too, i hate when enemies move

[oblique lotus]

I'm not a fan of the orbital because it runs into the same problem of drop time and the mortar's kinda eh for my playstyle

[south temple]

u are not an arc trooper (jet pack is stupid fun unfortunately)

[south temple]

that’s fair yeah

[oblique lotus]

good aim and stun nades do it for me but it's tricky to gaze six seconds into the future

[stoic lotus]

I am an arc trooper I am bringing the jump pack

even when it makes no sense to

[keen zinc]

For you maybe

Jump pack forever

[stoic lotus]

I still always take it I just said it was a bad decision to do so

[keen zinc]

It's never a bad decision

Get that mudtrooper mindset out your damn mind, Airborne

We're screaming eagles, preying on bugs and bots

[south temple]

sounds like someone hasn’t taken the water of life

[unkempt river]

It's also "suspiciously large" for just some balance changes.... So.... 👀

[stoic lotus]

L + spiceless + no ancestral memory

[south temple]

i see all possible futures and they all involve me dying like a loser to a chainsaw horde

[south temple]

|| i saw an ATAT on twitter 💀 ||

[unkempt river]

I saw it too. They look incredibly fun and very spooky

[south temple]

i’m so excited to quasar the fuck out of them

[sharp crater]

||I saw a clip where it took a 500kg and basically an entire orbital laser to kill it. I'm sure there's better ways and weakpoints, but still spooky||

[south temple]

oh good i’m glad they aren’t too easy to kill

no fun in that

[graceful bluff]

||It looked like it had the fabricator glow on its belly, if you have to run under it and blow up it'd be real fun||

[south temple]

YESSSS

[keen zinc]

EDF moment

Also, if anyone here needs to reaffirm the mindset of the jump pack trooper

Watch this

https://youtu.be/WXusCl05hG0?si=mvKG9v6tLFWOeIp-

[oblique lotus]

chaining was never a thing

[keen zinc]

Lt Speirs embodies the spirit of the Helldiver. War crimes and all.

[south temple]

man this just makes me want big lobby helldiving

[oblique lotus]

there's this entire insane reddit mythos about the arc thrower when it's honestly an extremely simple weapon

[south temple]

give me my cursed 20+ helldiver advance and secure gameplay

[oblique lotus]

you charge it and fire it and damage dealt is proportional to charge level

that's it

[sharp crater]

new booster: No reinforcements, everyone deploys at once

[keen zinc]

LET'S GO AIRBORNE

FIRE UP

[dusky solar]

It's not, not even in my post. It was good against devastators, but it didn't have the objective destruction, hulk busting, tank killing, or fab killing abilities of the autocannon

It DID compete with the autocannon and AMR when it came to killing devs because you could stun them to save your teammates or yourself

[dusky solar]

Agree with this for bots 10000%

[craggy lagoon]

Where do you aim the autocannon for the chain saw big guys?

[oblique lotus]

head

or waist

[craggy lagoon]

I have trouble hitting the head it sways a lot

Takes like 4 shots to the crotch, was wondering if there was a better spot

[honest acorn]

They just suck

[graceful bluff]

hit their tummy

[honest acorn]

Head and waist are the weak spots aiui

[graceful bluff]

the red bit

[honest acorn]

I think arm limb damage is also quite high

[keen zinc]

Tummy tum tums

[craggy lagoon]

you guys ever get full auto autocannon to work? does being prone with recoil reduction help?

[blissful sparrow]

you just aim like 45° down after the first shot

[honest acorn]

I don’t really bother with it the fire rate is low enough that I can replicate it with semi auto well enough

[sharp crater]

haven't tried it. seems excessive for most situations

[blissful sparrow]

it is exceedingly funny to dump it into the back of a charger

[craggy lagoon]

i don't know what a good use case is but I found the idea appealing. the execution leaves a lot to be desired lol

[honest acorn]

It’s reasonably controllable with recoil reduction armor you just don’t get that much more firepower

[fallen tendon]

if they're clumped up, their feet because the ground doesn't move and it staggers them. Impact nades are generally better for berserker clusters tho ime

(and/or nades in general impacts are just faster effect so easier to get them done faster)

[quick plinth]

I wish they gave the Laser Cannon the chargeup/heat meter in FP like they did for the quasar

[honest acorn]

That would be nice yeah

[quick plinth]

the annoying part about recoil reduction armor is that while it reduces the recoil as if you were in the next lower stance (or by an additional 30% when prone) it keeps the sway as usual

[honest acorn]

It’s really hard to read the heat indicator

[quick plinth]

ive mostly just gotten used to hearing when its getting close to overheating if im using it in FP

[honest acorn]

Yeah same

The beeping seems most reliable

[supple siren]

They should have buffed the ammo of the Plasmas or something instead of hitting slugger like this

I know the Punisher works but thematically bringing buckshot against machines is so lame especially just for.. doing what the slugger did but less accurately

[hazy oriole]

bro gonna take three whole days to respawn

[heady halo]

head or waist or arm, any glowey bits, but especially if you have a punisher or stun grenades or can comunicate with anyone with one, stunning them then switching to autocannon can make it as easy as hitting targets on a timer

that or wait till they get dangerously close

[dusky solar]

May i introduce you to our lord and savior

I hope the scorcher stays un nerfed, but given how brutally arrowhead treated the slugger, i doubt it'll be that good for much longer

[supple siren]

That's what I'm talking about! Give that thing four more bullets to a clip or something

[dusky solar]

Yeah it inhales ammo i def agree

I've been thinking about amr/resupply pack with scorcher and stun nades

Probably light grenade armor

[honest acorn]

I think the slugger nerfs were warranted

It was a pretty clear overperformer and had a bunch of weird privileges

[stoic lotus]

I agree I think it's good for the game

[dusky solar]

I think the gun itself was fine but it was far overperforming others

Minus scorcher

[supple siren]

I feel like the other weapons in the niche it fills were underperforming

[dusky solar]

Yeah

[supple siren]

Instead of slugger just being a god

[dusky solar]

Like primaries kinda suck a lot. You drop and you can't deal with a lot of specific enemies, so if they're between you and your gear after a death, you're SOL

[graceful bluff]

I have no idea why people say the slugger nerf is brutal

[dusky solar]

Or if you've got increased stratagem cooldown, or an ion storm, etc

[dusky solar]

No longer staggers stuff

[honest acorn]

If the niche is “being the generically best primary” then I agree haha

[graceful bluff]

It was punished as much as a billionaire doing crimes

[dusky solar]

Scorcher always outclassed slugger vs bots

[supple siren]

Now this I cannot see

[honest acorn]

But best in class damage, pen, and stagger on top of being a demolition weapon is a lil much

[dusky solar]

It also had mediocre ammo economy and poor horde control

[graceful bluff]

Two tapping chicken walkers is extremely nice

and one tapping(?) heavy devs in the head

[supple siren]

Chickenwalkers are such an odd duck

[dusky solar]

Scorcher annihilates bots w/headshots and frontally kills chicken walkers. It also counts as explosive damage so it can handle weakspots too

[supple siren]

( chicken )

[graceful bluff]

They need to make a miniboss strider

called baba yaga

[supple siren]

if it's explosive why's it so awful at bile spewers