Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[graceful bluff]

pilebunker

[alpine seal]

oshaune is a hard maybe leaning on no

[graceful bluff]

Also I just realized this uses the same engine as dark/vermintide

it really does not feel like it

[undone veldt]

I want a gun with an under barrel option

Like a liberator with an under barrel shotgun

[undone veldt]

That would go extremely hard

[keen zinc]

Nah, cuz once Mantes falls, it's Liberation campaign will open up.

And suck people away from Oshuane

[tough vigil]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone down to clown?

[cobalt patrol]

Maybe in 10-20?

[keen zinc]

Gimme 45 mins

Gotta go home and eat dinner

[glacial light]

Consider melee talk discussion folks from a while ago, the saber from HD1 but combined with the bayonet also from HD1

[tall nova]

I have now unlocked 500kg

⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

[quick crown]

TRUE PATRIOT POSTING.

[cobalt patrol]

https://old.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bmp32s/apparently_you_can_relocate_friendly_tesla_towers/

This is interesting

[keen zinc]

i just tested and i cannot replicate this with any other strat

the balls enter a "deployed" state and cannot be moved

[glacial light]

https://www.vxtiktok.com/t/ZTL6d7L4t/

[keen zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkegaob-waM

[heady halo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhS2zYvx2U&t=1s

[rotund marten]

I really like that the Helldivers dailies take approximately one mission to complete because it means I can see "kill 25 hunters", grab a GL, drop into a Helldive Blitz, catastrophically fail to extract and stop playing for the day with a big stack of medals

soloing Helldive Bugs has become a lot harder since they gave them goddamn air support, I have noticed

not much you can do about that with one person's rack of strats unless I specifically bring the orbital laser and get it in there, which I will now do every time

[candid finch]

It's a bit rougher to kill 200 enemies with a machine gun

but that's still like... three missions?

And you get to have fun mowing folk down with a machine gun

[oak crow]

this may sound weird, but i reccomend soloing bots instead

bots are difficult, but bugs are, imo, more difficult solo

[rotund marten]

bots are easier to blitz through tossing strats and grenades in all directions and then disengage from, yeah

[oak crow]

simply having less bodies to fight, and being able to sneak away easier (in my experience) makes it a lot better

[forest crater]

I finally have the Sickle

[glacial light]

Woo!

Sickle pretty good

[forest crater]

Sickle is nuts

I know it's just me being used to the Punisher but I wish it had some stagger to it lol

Also uh

I decided to dip my toes into Autocannon and

What tips do y'all have for it?

[meager saffron]

get used to the par-reload

it's infinitely faster than going empty and it can keep you topped off for the majority of combat situations

[forest crater]

(mainly because arc thrower is risky and I don't wanna keep lighting myself on fire with flamethrower)

[meager saffron]

it also has very little damage falloff and fires projectiles with seemingly no bullet drop, so you can use it to bust open things like spore spewers from theoretically infinite range

[glacial light]

And very good for shrieker nests

[quick plinth]

with an armor that reduces recoil even further when crouching the autocannon is even better

overall however its basically a jack of all trades but a master of none (maybe a master of medium enemy killing actually), try to reload whenever you have 5 or less rounds in the magazine, its faster than an empty reload.

[forest crater]

Gotcha gotcha

[meager saffron]

it has enough ammo that you can use it to slam jam hiveguards in a pinch

[glacial light]

Against bots if you hit red weak points it's goated and a master of all against them

[forest crater]

I've noticed it does a second reload when it's completely out

[quick plinth]

there's an asterisk attached to that, in that it takes about half your ammo supply since each nest takes about 7 to 10 rounds, but it doesnt matter too much since a single resupply box gives you about half back.

[meager saffron]

it also one-taps spewers if you hit them from the side

[quick plinth]

3 taps them otherwise

[meager saffron]

sometimes from the front? I'm not sure honestly

[glacial light]

Does it I thought it takes it out in like 3 shots each

[forest crater]

I've noticed

And that's good

Because

[meager saffron]

but it's always been my go-to for dealing with six million spewers on high diff

[forest crater]

I fucking despise spewers

[meager saffron]

they all go up and splash each other for chain reactions too

[forest crater]

Ooo

How's the AC against armored things like chargers and titans?

[meager saffron]

very workable for chargers

[glacial light]

One armor I kind of wish for was faster weapon swapping and handling, switching between heavy and primary weapons feels slow to me

[meager saffron]

titans uhhhhhhhh

I think you just aim at their soft bits and kind of pray

you're not gonna get those juicy EAT or spear one-shots with the AC

[quick plinth]

dont even try against titans, charges on the other hand, a stun grenade, crouch behind them and unload into the "weak point"

[candid finch]

Hooray I have the cutting edge unlocked!

[quick plinth]

weakpoint gets broken and they bleed out soon after

[stone bridge]

My general advice is just not to bother with the AC wrt Titans

[forest crater]

🤝me too

[candid finch]

Only just got it

[forest crater]

Same

[quick plinth]

the AC can deal with basically any enemy outher than BTs

[forest crater]

I mentioned I got the sickle a couple minutes ago

[forest crater]

Gotcha

[candid finch]

hell yeah

gonna give it a go

I was saving up medals to unleash the beast

[forest crater]

I'm definitely keeping the sickle

I've stolen it from the bodies of other divers and it's a blast

Even on hot planets like Hellmire

[glacial light]

Sickle imo is one of the best part of cutting edge on par with stun grenades

I haven't noticed a huge performance difference on hellmire for sickle compared to say hot planets with laser cannon

[meager saffron]

sickle is the liberator with impulse101

[glacial light]

I basically sell sickle as laser liberator with regenerating ammo

[quick plinth]

on an unrelated note, the dominator is fine actually- its clearly a bot weapon however, but with 200 damage and "medium pen" (its explosive too so medium pen doesnt mean much it seems) it can handily deal with berserkers, raiders and troopers as well as devs if you aim it right.

on bugs its as bad of an experience as using the scorcher, since they both suffer from 15 round mags, and acting more like battle rifles / DMRs than ARs

however, ive noticed since it is classed as explosive and has pen, any weakspot hit is insane damage

so potentially it could be used for bugs but much like with the plas punisher youd need to grab a laser dog to help keep the horde off you

i still havent figured out if there's a minimum range or not

[glacial light]

I do wish there were more sidearm options

Like a sawed off shotgun would be fun

Rn I basically pick between redeemer and senator

[quick plinth]

ive found the senator better than the redeemer in only that its effect is a lot more immediately visible and relatively more satisfying as you turn to run and just shoot a hunter or something from the hip (which requires either to turn the crosshair always on or to have a centre dot overlay)

[glacial light]

I kind of use redeemer cause its more forgiving

In an ideal world where I could aim senator would likely be a better option as a medium enemy backup to my sickle

[undone veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKmiFLeQCPE

[glacial light]

It's nighttime and I'm thinking bof flamethrowers against bugs

Kills every bug types but biles

[stone bridge]

The Flamer is goated into bugs, yeah

[quick plinth]

one way to deal with the lock on for the spear to keep lock for like 5 seconds after locking initially

it would also allow you to say, angle the missile so it goes a different route

[sinful bay]

So
I think I get it now
The Autocannon is a oversized m1 rifle with explosive bullets

[ivory swallow]

does everyone get the medals for major orders or do you have to do at least one mission for the order to get the medals

[quick plinth]

everyone gets them iirc

[ivory swallow]

ok

[alpine seal]

that's correct

[kindred lintel]

I think you gotta log in during the order at some point

[candid finch]

It would make sense, it needs to register that you were around, then needs to register success or not

[quick plinth]

I wish the devs spent more time optimising the game.

it's odd to me how I can run games like war thunder or cyberpunk. (the former is to be fair, heavily optimised since a majority of the playerbase is likely to have older hardware, while the latter has spent YEARS getting to a point where my by this point, low end set up can run it comfortably at a decent framerate).

It's likely that they had a deadline by which the game had to be released and making content was prioritiesed over optimizing it- at least initially, (I'm hopefull they'll eventually work in better optimization and super sampling options) currently it seems to be using AMD FSR 1.0 of some flavour, which isn't great)) considering that will greatly expand the amount of people capable of playing their game how it was intended rather than a blurry / lowest graphics mess.

[unkempt river]

<@&1206091872716595200> if Shriekers condemn me to heck, I will look them in the eyes and simply not go.

[unkempt river]

2710 6019

[shy prairie]

5277-0995

[civic apex]

I mean if they used any other gun

lightening can kill a charger pretty quick if you do it right

I still miss my lightening

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[stone bridge]

Patch should be dropping today or tomorrow, at least

[civic apex]

I hope so

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> Currenly doing dinner , will be around to HELL DIVE in like half an hour to an hour

[civic apex]

I might play if theres room

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> Briar and i are setting up to H E L L D I V E

[stone bridge]

Will be there shortly

[cobalt patrol]

Coolness! We doing bots or boogs?

[civic apex]

uhhh who wants to ninvite me ?

ah nvm

[honest acorn]

I'll be around tomorrow

[cobalt patrol]

74632452

[hazy oriole]

oh that armor looks SICK, where can i get it?

[burnt vapor]

Superstore when it rotates back around

[blissful sparrow]

called the Legionaire armor iirc

comes together with the drone operator armor

[hazy oriole]

ooog
im still saving super credits for one of the preemo warbonds

[azure pewter]

It’s da best armor

[sinful bay]

That's the heavy with extra padding right?

[azure pewter]

Light servo assist

[burnt vapor]

That’s fortified commando I believe

[azure pewter]

the helmet in the original screenshot of this convo is from that set

[sinful bay]

oh thank ya

[cobalt patrol]

BLoody hell, we actually managed a diff 7 defence mission

against bots

also bloody hell, that was well, hellish.

I have no regrets.

[glacial light]

It was light throw armor only available at the superstore unfortunately so you gotta wait for it again

[graceful bluff]

Also I think I found out why we crashed so much yesterday

it's related to EATs

having too many of them in the world seems to be something the game doesn't like

[glacial light]

No my precious EATs

What am I supposed to do if there's not like 30 of them strewn across the map

[blissful sparrow]

just need to fire them faster

Broodcommander? EAT

Shieldbug? EAT

Stalker? EAT

Hunter? Believe it or not: EAT

[graceful bluff]

Honestly I've really been liking the gustav after the buff

also discovering it has a tiered reload meaning it remembers what step you were on

[keen zinc]

But there is a step that if you interrupt the loading of the shell after it disappears off your back but before loading it completely, you lose it

And that hurts with the RR more than most

[cobalt patrol]

Gustav?

[hollow plover]

Fumbled

[graceful bluff]

recoilless rifle

[keen zinc]

I really wish the assisted reloads could be done by anyone if the gunner had the backpack

I would love to jump over to someone and start assist loading them

[graceful bluff]

it's what the RR is based on

[keen zinc]

It goes by many names

The Gustav, the Smaw, the fucking tube

[blissful sparrow]

i like calling it Carl

Because that kills people

[graceful bluff]

Or like fucking everything in the US military

M[number]

[blissful sparrow]

Its swedish

[graceful bluff]

I know?

[keen zinc]

It was the SMAW in US Service

[blissful sparrow]

But its probably an M2

[graceful bluff]

The US still calls it the M3

[blissful sparrow]

close enough

[graceful bluff]

Because they love confusing their fresh out of highschool troops

[keen zinc]

Yarp

My unit used AT-4s so I never got to use the gustav

[keen zinc]

Some of the senior NCOs that has come from other units spoke of it very highly

[graceful bluff]

Everyone loves the gustav except for the person that has to carry the tube

[keen zinc]

This is why we give everything nicknames

[graceful bluff]

oh neat the newest version is sub 10kg

[keen zinc]

The only thing I recall being exclusively called by it's nomenclature was the M4

And ofc the m16

We didn't use those tho

[barren iron]

no one ever really came up with a nickname for the m4

[keen zinc]

Infantry uses m4

[blissful sparrow]

still sad about the M8
would have transformed the US military into australians

[keen zinc]

It's a good gun

My precious M4

[blissful sparrow]

everyone talking about their Mates

[keen zinc]

I miss sleeping with my M4

You got so used to it always being on you

Lightweight, sturdy, reliable if you were halfway decent at maintenance

I always kept my carbine clean

Dust without, spotless within

[naive dragon]

I love being teamkilled so much that we run out of resupply

[keen zinc]

Public lobby moments

[graceful bluff]

Playing public lobbies have made me real good at dodging airstrikes though

I've started just dropping them on myself while a charger rushes me lmao

[pale remnant]

god bless pubbies

[naive dragon]

"Let's drop a 120 barrage on that single hulk" - Deranged player in my lobby

[hollow plover]

I've had less issues with pubbies than premade groups

Might be people having a response to my personality

[keen zinc]

Impossible

The only response to your antics is whimsy

And the occasional "....God damnit Sierra"

[blissful sparrow]

classic pubby
not even using a 380

[naive dragon]

ghosts 👀

[keen zinc]

Yesterday the Illuminate passed me a pack of grenades when I was low

Maybe they ain't all bad

Floated it over to me as I ran

Very helpful

[fringe quiver]

I believe they feel bad due to how many humans they're killing on hellmire

[keen zinc]

I was ON Hellmire

[blissful sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ratstack-rat-gif-24304609

[fringe quiver]

Interesting, maybe they want the helldivers to defeat the sentient firetornados

[keen zinc]

Maybe so

[blissful sparrow]

i fear illuminate just aren't as democracy loving as us and just don't understand how grenades work, so it just imitated the process of throwing it, which it observed previously, but forgot to free the grenade from the pin 😔

[cobalt patrol]

Okay, what the fuck, is that your screenshot?

[naive dragon]

Yes

The mission I was just on

[cobalt patrol]

Was it a bot mission?

because that looks like it's a bunch of bot eye graphics that aint despawned

[naive dragon]

Yes

That's what it is

But it look like ghosts

[cobalt patrol]

Ahh

I was hopeful it was actually ghosts

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/bVax1v5qcE

[cobalt patrol]

because that seems like teh sort of cool thing the game would do

[naive dragon]

If only

[keen zinc]

This is what happened to me but with a box of grenades

[ionic holly]

im
starting to think my intent of throwing on medium armour rather than heavy in hopes of sparking a new challenge is having the opposite of the intended effect

i've been able to solo a few impossible missions now

[keen zinc]

As I ran from a brood commander

[cobalt patrol]

I honestly think Medium is the way to go now that armor is fixed, 90% of the time

You're fast enough to outrun things and iwth lots of stamina

and tank enogu hto take a few hits

[ionic holly]

I still prefer heavy through and through but i can't deny i've been doing straight up even better with medium

[cobalt patrol]

Exception: hot planets with the stamina drain Really hurt, and it's probably worth considering light there

Heavy is just too penalized on the stamina i think

The speed is one thing, but the stamina and speed together is such a hammer

[ionic holly]

Shrug

[cobalt patrol]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2443838754797843124/E95BA5A4DCA9F295CE933FD3DB0BCA5C9AD9DA4F/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Officer, the evacuate had it comming.

[ionic holly]

i've only really had the stamina sting on hot planets, and that's gonna sting no matter what

[naive dragon]

I'm gonna try a solo on... what is it? Bug world in new sector

[cobalt patrol]

(In my defence, i only teamkilled 2 people, and the 380 barrage was a large part of why we could clear it()

[naive dragon]

I don't normally do bugs but hey

[ionic holly]

Then that's all that really matters, yeah?

[stoic lotus]

I can't go back from light armour now lol

[graceful bluff]

The armored light armor is so good on hot planets due to this

[copper crest]

Hahaha the fucking spooky poltergeist whistling noise

[graceful bluff]

Honestly the armor type I've fallen the most out of love with is stealth armor

after learning more about stealth I've started being able to stealth just fine without it

[random socket]

I have not fixed my weird UI problems (flashing, losing letters, text blurring) but all of the following helped:

• Turn off Screen Space Reflections
• Turn off ingame Frame Limit and VSync, turned on a frame limit in Nvidia control panel to match my monitor
• Apparently a lot of 10 series Nvidia cards are having this exact issue, and reccommend rolling back drivers to one a few updates ago.
  This has let me play at least 2-3 games before the UI starts melting

I'm still getting a lot of glitches but they seem to be glitches everyone in the mission is having, including models that turn into missing item placeholders (giant pink/purple question marks.)

Makes me feel like I'm playing a Source mod. God bless.

My CPU/GPU are both running hot playing the game but not nearly enough to be glitching out tbh

[orchid pulsar]

hey any <@&1206091872716595200> ready to fight the good fight?

[heady halo]

I can go for some diving , sure

[random socket]

I could dive

[random socket]

I'm relatively new though

[keen zinc]

I'm at worm

[stoic lotus]

shai-hulud!

bless the maker and his water, bless the coming and going of him

[random socket]

looks like you have 4 nvm

[stoic lotus]

I can do a bit if you want wolves

just gotta finish my lunch

[graceful bluff]

crashed cause I grabbed a grenade to throw back just as it exploded lmao

[sinful bay]

Infantry should use m60 instead and nothing lighter /j

[graceful bluff]

browning or bust

[keen zinc]

I'm taking your knees

[stark ether]

[hexed steeple]

what kinda stuff is good for taking out shrieker nests?

[rare nymph]

I use autocannon at long range

[rare nymph]

Takes some time and ammo but it gets the job done

[hexed steeple]

oh that works? i fired like 5 shots into it but it didn't work so i figured it might not work

[rare nymph]

I find it usually takes ~10 shots, give or take

[hexed steeple]

damn

that's good tho

i love my autocannon

[keen zinc]

Fr

Just rechamber the M4 in 6.8 and be done, no need for all that sci fi tacticool bullshit they keep pitching

Skeletonized boondoggles

[stark ether]

was this not the exact reason for the scar-h?

[keen zinc]

Scars are great

Expensive tho

An infantry rifle should be 3 things: effective, cheap in both price and logistic weight, and reliable even in the hands of Private Joe Snuffy who don't know letters good

Don't give Joe a 3000 dollar rifle he will break it in new and exciting ways

[stark ether]

do give joe a $3000 rifle i want to see the exciting ways

[azure pewter]

Honestly why even 6.8 tho when 6.5 cm is well tested and well liked on ar 10 platforms

[candid finch]

Shrieker nests also fall to laser cannons

Just takes some time

[blissful sparrow]

i tend to remove shriekers by just walking up to them and dropping a hellbomb in the middle

once you get close enough the shriekers have a hard time focusing on you cause they are all aggroed far away

[azure pewter]

Plop down a Gatling sentry and go clang clang with an autocannon for a bit is my preferred method

[candid finch]

Sometimes I find a single hellbomb doesn't get them all in one

Has walking bombardment become more... shakey of late?

[sinful bay]

GOOD LUCK
THEY ARE EXPLOSIVES

Everytime I squat down they POP

[keen zinc]

Mine grind and snap and crackle and pop

Just popping would be an improvement

[sinful bay]

Does your knee/leg hurt like a mf when you walk up the stairs weird?

[keen zinc]

I can feel the cartilage being squarshed when I squat or crouch

[sinful bay]

Or
well
At random

[keen zinc]

I'm an infantry vet

My knees always hurt

[sinful bay]

pain

[keen zinc]

Pain is my constant companion

[sinful bay]

omg irl angron

[keen zinc]

Along with a faint ringing in my right ear

[sinful bay]

Honestly, if you could, would you stop your younger self from enlisting?

[keen zinc]

Yeah

Maybe

Complicated question

I'm not him, I don't know what he'd become

Idk

[sinful bay]

That's fair, sorry

[keen zinc]

I don't like thinking about it

I'm not that person anymore

[sinful bay]

In other news
👏
How do you deal with Chargers? I always have a lot of problems dealing with those

[keen zinc]

Impact Grenades and a can-do attitude

[azure pewter]

Don’t respect chargers

[keen zinc]

Do not respect chargers

[azure pewter]

Walk perpendicular and shoot da ass

[glad marsh]

Remember friends
THEY STEAL BABIES

[keen zinc]

They do not require you to dodge or even run, just walk sideways and kill them

Do not let them panic you into diving and becoming a sitting duck with fewer options

[glad marsh]

It's true

They're very stupid, running straight at me while I'm holding an EAT launcher

[keen zinc]

The mantra I have stated many times here and has been proven many times by many people

Do not respect them.

Chargers want you to fear them, their bulk, their momentum.

Do not.

[sinful bay]

Wait where do you aim the impact grenade?

[keen zinc]

Underneath

Huck it under them and they die in 2-4

[azure pewter]

The abdomen specifically

[daring pelican]

What's the best way to deal with the giant Lascannon towers? I feel nothing I bring is reliable against them

[keen zinc]

Honestly it's pretty forgiving

I've found success largely by aiming to be underneath center mass

[blissful sparrow]

The best way to disrespect a charger is to take a step to the side, take a knee to calmly reload your autocannon and then turn around and shoot it 3-5 times in the butt

[sinful bay]

Will try that, thank ya
Last time I discovered an autocannon to the face was not the right move

[azure pewter]

Auto needs weakest on the big stuff yea

Weakspots

Hit weakspots

[gritty sundial]

I at least used to hit em in the leg a couple times with the railgun

[sinful bay]

Fair point
I probably miss-remember the patchnotes then
I remember that... something something now kills in 1~2 shoots to the head of big bug

[gritty sundial]

idk if that still works

Because I fight bots lmao

[azure pewter]

Should do yea

[gritty sundial]

cool

[keen zinc]

It's so funny to just walk sideways to avoid a charger and continue to deal with smaller things before killing the charger casually

[sinful bay]

I miss fighting bots
But missions tell me to fight bugs

[hexed steeple]

recoilless and EATs kilsl charger in one shot to the head might be what you're thinking of

[keen zinc]

People are like how are you alive

[blissful sparrow]

EATs and Recoilless, cause they have Heavy Armor Piercing

[keen zinc]

Never panic

[blissful sparrow]

AC only has mediul armor piercing

[sinful bay]

oh recoilless, thank ya

[keen zinc]

Yeah you can totally reload the RR in stages between sidestepping chargers

I would rock RR if I wasn't hopelessly attached to the jump pack

[forest crater]

So the AC closes bug holes and factories?

[keen zinc]

Ye

[forest crater]

Radical

[azure pewter]

Rr is my fav for bots, make them drop ships drop hard

[sinful bay]

yes! It was great

[blissful sparrow]

bug holes yes, reliably, factories is a bit more difficult

[keen zinc]

Fear is the mind killer

An infantryman needs to keep his head or he'll lose his life

[forest crater]

I read you can bounce them into the vents by aiming at the little angled plating above them

[rapid plover]

Yeah but it's a bit finicky sometimes

[azure pewter]

You need to be very square on to factories

[forest crater]

Makes sense

[rapid plover]

You need a much cleaner angle than for bug holes

[azure pewter]

You can I think get them when the door opens tho

[forest crater]

Most likely

[azure pewter]

You can with impacts so don’t see what auto can’t

[forest crater]

That's true

(I run impacts too lol)

Very handy if I get dogpiled by bugs, just slam one into the ground and we all go down together

[sinful bay]

They also made harder to farm super credits

When you exit the mission it just fails and the maps are re-made

[forest crater]

Oh damn

[sinful bay]

Stun grenades gonna take a bit longer to get now

[forest crater]

I've just been completing the missions full out

[sinful bay]

Unless... Checks bank account

[forest crater]

I need supah samples anyways

[quick plinth]

laser or 500kg next to them

are the easiest

[supple siren]

Spear

Spear + An Open Hill is ridiculous for bots

[quick plinth]

yeah the spear sure, however the spear is a much bigger commitment

in that youre using that as ur support weapon

[supple siren]

I'm just saying they're rather reliable against the towers! And buildings. Hulks take 1-2 and I can't figure out what makes it a oneshot or not, isn't hitting the backplate or anything

[sinful bay]

the 500kg has way less hurt radious for the divers than i though

[supple siren]

500kg has a surprisingly tight radius in general

the difference between an instantly-dead Titan and him walking off a blast looking cooler than before is so small

[strange vine]

oh my god the game models fucking heatsink wear on the laser weapons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFAWp-5Pg-k&t=63s

[azure pewter]

Yea safe zone for divers is around 25m ish for 500kg

[quick plinth]

i prefer EATs instead of 500

for that specific bug build

[tidal wing]

lmao at the little robo tank that just plops into a bog

[sinful bay]

Talking about robot, I wish there was a way to resupply the mech

Is always sad to just
Leave the poor boy behind

[strange vine]

nah theyre expendable

like the helldivers

[sinful bay]

You don't understand
I would send 10 helldivers to the blender if that means I can re-arm the mech

The fun factor
Is too much

[strange vine]

simply wait for more mechs to be added

and fill your strategem bar with nothing but mechs

[sinful bay]

what you mean by more mechs

oh right, I can see helldivers 1 for spoilers of helldivers 2

[strange vine]

yeah theres gonna at least be the quad autocannon mech

and HD1 also has a mech with an anti-tank cannon and a flamethrower

[blissful sparrow]

my optimal HD1 loadout was 3 mechs and a tank

[sinful bay]

f u n

[blissful sparrow]

the best thing was always calling in all my leftover mechs at extraction for others to jump in 😌

[hazy oriole]

oh shit, we could get tanks?

yippee!!! i love tanks

[sinful bay]

It's funny how the automatons straight up stole the Helldivers 1 Tank

And just painted on their color scheme

[blissful sparrow]

well, it looks vastly different 😄

[sinful bay]

I mean, yes, but lorewise is implied to be the HD1 tank XD

[blissful sparrow]

the HD1 "tank" was a tankdestroyer with a forward only facing cannon

oh i haven't heard of that lore

[sinful bay]

Makes me already want armor that buffs vehicles/mechs for HD2

[blissful sparrow]

first i want ship upgrades for vehicles

open the vehicle bay already arrowhead shakes fist

[sinful bay]

Ah yes ship upgrades
The only reason I play anything above Normal

[stoic lotus]

run behind and shoot the heatsinks with autocannon/amr/laser cannon

[supple siren]

Laser Cannon into heat sinks just feels right

Pops tanks so quickly

[stoic lotus]

yeah tanks I sprint towards and laser the back at point blank range

[supple siren]

I don't know how to properly dodge turrets yet if they have you in the open, their angles can be so brutal

Fighting bots on those Wide Open Foggy Highland planets is cursed

[quick plinth]

they have an anime-esque light briefly before firing, makes dodging them even more epic

so right before firing make sure to do something evasive like switching direcrion or diving for cover

just make sure not to switch direction toward where its aiming

[stoic lotus]

do the shiggy wiggy

[junior badge]

honestly, rocket raiders and devs need that too.

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for a few?

[orchid pulsar]

sure what vc

[quick plinth]

ill be in acti 2

@orchid pulsar

[tall nova]

Me when I first started: what's the point of EATs? You can only fire them once before you need to pick up another or call them in again, I'd rather have a support weapon with actual ammo
Me now: fucking love EATs. Sometimes I call them in just to watch the pod fall

[merry cosmos]

I am (not) a gun

[rich marlin]

welcome to the Church of EATs

also I love this game and the same braincell bs I get up to with randos sometimes

I just finished a mission, Pelican came down to land and I punched in a code for an Eagle Stratagem, I stand there at the entrance to the shuttle, looking at two other randos, both with stratagems in their hand

we all threw them down and ran into the shuttle

it was a very epic extraction

[tall nova]

Love extracting to the sound of heavy artillery

Or to the sound of 3 500kgs at once

[quick plinth]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone wnna come and help spread democracy?

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1076265105446150266

[graceful bluff]

killing stuff with the eat pod never gets old

[blissful sparrow]

3 shots per eat pod

[barren iron]

WHERES THE GIANT MANSLEY

[alpine seal]

wha-
oh...

[gritty sundial]

I saw an article that said most people hate fighting bots

And I’m just out here like

minecraft villager hmm

[hexed steeple]

i love fighting bots

[honest acorn]

Bots are nice because they’re slow

So it’s a lot easier to maintain the initiative

Bugs are numerous and fast which can be a nasty combination

[stone bridge]

I think bots have a lower average of difficulty but a much higher ceiling

8/9 can start to spawn so many Devastator variants you can die absurdly fast in the open

[quick plinth]

I personally find bots trivial with a competent team that avoids confrontations when possible and just keeps pushing otherwise (instead of standing their ground against the patrol and the 4 dropships it called in)

you can easily deal with their bases, much easier than bug bases (throw a strike and leave, autocannon shots, spear shots)

while every bug base is a commitment

no matter for how short of a time

but yes, I'll agree, for the people who are stuck with randoms, or simply find the higher difficulties too overwhelming, bots are definitely worse than bugs

bugs are much easier to manage in that way, since there isn't two dozen things hosing you down at range (the caveat being if too many bug breaches are caused in a short period of time without dealing with the previous bugs or becomes increasingly more difficult to cut your losses)

[graceful bluff]

My only problem with bots is that tanks can be really annoying to deal with depending on their position sometimes

also that whoever made scorcher hulks should get winged in the shin by a coffee table :v

[quick plinth]

hulks I find trivial

[graceful bluff]

it's specfically scorcher hulks

[quick plinth]

its the much more numerous devestators im worried about

hulks can easily be taken out with a stun greade and a stratagem or support weapon, but since devestators spawn in relatively larger numbers, it can get impossible to deal with when there's 4 heavy devs hosing you down while 2 to 4 rocket devs saturate your entire gridsquare with missles

[stoic lotus]

100% of guys who wrote this article agree

[quick plinth]

I will agree that scorcher hulks essentially act as better berserkers, completely ruining your game plan by forcing you to deal with them first

which indeed does make them immensely annoying

[graceful bluff]

it's also more that if you're within range of the flamethrower you're dead

you cannot outrun it before it kills you

[quick plinth]

not necessarily

I can dive once I get set on fire most of the time

[graceful bluff]

because you have to dive to get rid of the fire

[quick plinth]

and then get up immediately to keep running, usually getting just out of range of the saw in the nick of time

but stun and 80% railgun to the face or 2 shots with AC/AMR really makes them much less of a threat when compared to the greatly more numerous devestator variants

at least in my experience / the way I see it

[graceful bluff]

It's mostly just my love for knife fighting being met with the wall that is a flamethrower :v

[stone bridge]

If you run Stuns, you can stop Scorchers in their tracks

[graceful bluff]

yeah it's more nothing quite fucks you over in this game than turning a corner at the same time as a scorcher :v

[honest acorn]

Yeah the "classic" firebase of 4-6 heavy devs which kill you in like 1 second if you stay in their line of sight is rough

Also funnily enough I'm back to the Railgun for bots

I like it so much

[hot meadow]

I rely on orbital rail cannon or eats to the back.

[cobalt patrol]

Last night was impressively scuffed.

[stone bridge]

Real

[heady halo]

you GOTTA target the back, anything comparable in ranged dps to the laser cannon in dps to the glowing weakspot on the back can take one out before it can turn to you

[daring monolith]

a lucky 110mm rocket can take one out too (is a bit inconsistent)

[dusty spruce]

A lot of orbitals feel a bit inconsistent with those towers, a lot of big blasts seem to be blocked by the 'tower' part and the head just takes no damage.

[glacial light]

Laser and orbital railcannon usually do the job for laser cannon

[cobalt patrol]

Two impacts to the back (the vent) will pop them.

Three autocannon shots too the back is another way

Orbitals - barrages are good for base clearing, not garunteed though. Orbital laser loves to kill them.

Eagle airstrike, 500kg, rocket pods all work

I just generally stealth up and Autocannon them out of existence currently

[oblique lotus]

sustained laser cannon burn to the vent will kill it

a few seconds

[cobalt patrol]

I believe the Scorcher can kill it too. AMR probably can crack the vent as well

[stoic lotus]

if you get directly behind them the laser cannon can kill it before it has time to turn the vents out of view

[honest acorn]

AMR works well

AC is better but the AMR works

[rich marlin]

Helldiver quartet
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C49Mo4ILeK_/?igsh=MzZ3a3ZiMHhpd3A0

quality.sounding

Ep.23: DIVE
#helldivers2 #voiceacting #gaming #funny #singing #discover

Instagram

[merry cosmos]

We've made great progress on the eastern front

[graceful bluff]

Quality Sounding sure is a name

[rich marlin]

What if they push us to liberate all bug planets and when we do we get a massive medal prize then they hit us with the illuminate right after we're all burnt out from bug fighting

(And then the bugs come back because if course they do)

[graceful bluff]

That'd be a shot for shot repeat of the first game then

[red steeple]

<@&1206091872716595200> who's up for some diving? 👀

[graceful bluff]

I'll be around in 10 min ish

6268-8323

[honest acorn]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some drops?

[undone veldt]

sure

[glacial light]

What are the chances of history repeating itself? Almost unheard of

[merry cosmos]

The las-16 sickle looks over-designed

Probably because it's not ironed out for mass production

[cobalt patrol]

https://twitter.com/Helldiversmedia/status/1771900000202870872

Helldivers 2 Media (@Helldiversmedia) on X

"Joel: Please take this"

WHAT?!!

#Helldivers2 #HelldiversII

Twitter · Mar 24, 2024, 2:00 PM

Joel just giving out APCs, apperfntly

[meager saffron]

this is hacks

[honest acorn]

whoa

[cobalt patrol]

I mean, i can belive it being hacks too

It's hard to say!

[quick plinth]

yknow ya made it when people are pretending to be you

[lethal dagger]

autocannon + shield generator is goated for bots

[quick plinth]

you mean the big one right? it would be kinda hard to use the shield backpack alongside the AC Support weapon

or did you mean AC turret and Shield Emplacement

[dusky solar]

I like AC but i have a hard time giving up orbital rail / laser / rocket pods

[civic apex]

lol

[lethal dagger]

emplacement and AC support wep

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> Who's around and interested in some Hell Diving?

[unkempt river]

Maybe in like 15? Decided to do some cleaning, so that's where brain is until timer goes off

[cobalt patrol]

@unkempt river How you lookin?

[unkempt river]

White, young adult, middle height, masc-presenting

[cobalt patrol]

You know what i mean

[unkempt river]

in HA

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone else?

[orchid pulsar]

Sure im down

[cobalt patrol]

78417122

@jolly spire @orchid pulsar

[burnt vapor]

Arcs are supposedly fixed

[sinful bay]

Finally
I can do Tesla justice and use his mind for what he always wanted
Bug elimination in mass

Also
I was a hover dog fan
Now I am an autocannon enjoyer
I just
Can't live without it

[civic apex]

https://youtu.be/mR5VEPeI3LQ

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-storm-lightning-cloudy-gif-17607709

[cobalt patrol]

Arc fixed.

Going hard on tesla turrets, arc thrwoers, and land mines

well

We killed a lot of things!

Mostly ourselves.

I aprticurly appreciated Senna standing tall on a rock, thinking they're safe.

then their tesla tower got grumpy

[sinful bay]

I am almost buying Super Credits to get the battle pass now since Arc stuff works

[stoic lotus]

save your money

[sinful bay]

oh oki

So any tips how to farm super credit? Because the old thing about 'find a quick spot in the mission, grab the credit, return to ship, repeat' don't work anymore

[hexed steeple]

low level missions have more PoIs and also remove rare samples from the loot pool which means there's a bigger chance of super credits so just kinda running through trivials should work i think

[sinful bay]

So light armor farm around trivial missions?

On that note
Heavy Armor against Automatons is very fun :3

[hexed steeple]

yea you basically just wanna go fast, grab every poi, complete main objective and leave

[sinful bay]

thank you, will try that, better vs bug or automaton?

[hexed steeple]

i think automatons are easier cause yuou can just give em the ol runaround

[sinful bay]

Thank you
And glad to hear, I much prefer fighting the machines

[stoic lotus]

you want to just do diff 1 missions and run around snaffling up POIs

it gets you super credits pretty quick

at that difficulty it doesn't really matter whether it's bots or bugs

[quick plinth]

the arc thrower definetly needs to have it's heavy target damage pulled back (chargers, BTs) and have it's niche be medium to small enemies

because beyond like, a single hairy moment, I've held off 3 patrols and 2 breaches on 9 while the 3 randoms in my team all did the final ICBM objective and drinking alcohol or something

my loadout was for refrence.

the gunner light armor (Light mobility (extra padding) armor value of a medium)

Blitzer, Senator, Stun grenades

110mm rocket pods, orbital railcannon, arc thrower, laser dog

a single person shouldn't be able to do this on a 9

[hazy oriole]

Ohhhh shit, on a 9?!

You should try this on a solo 9 and let us know how it goes

[quick plinth]

I'm not trying to brag???

I'm saying that the stratagem is overtuned and clears basically everything without too much effort

[hazy oriole]

oh i didn't mean for it to come off as me saying you were

I was just curious to know if it would work this well on a solo, sorry

[quick plinth]

ah okay, no worries, stuff gets lost when put to text

[hazy oriole]

My apologies

[quick plinth]

I imagine it'd be a lot harder

since you'd have to both do the tasks and manage the horde at the same time

[hazy oriole]

mhm

[quick plinth]

though since the localization confusion booster exists

one could concevably clear an area, trigger a breach, cealr that too and then do the objective in relative piece

at that point the time constraint and how many BTs spawn are your only issues

[hazy oriole]

Maybe it'd work well for duo farming, have one guy in super kight armor skitter across the map doing objectives and grabbing everything they can stuff in their pockets while you clear everything

[hazy oriole]

ooo, lmk how it goes if you try that

[quick plinth]

that's often the best way to do things, have a duo run distraction while another duo does the objectives

aka keep any botdrops or breaches / patrols away from the people trying to do basic puzzles (which become increasingly more difficult proportional to the amount of enemies nearby)

[hazy oriole]

i'll keep that in mind
I've still yet to regularly play on anything tougher than Hard but I do really wanna try the endgame level difficulty once I unlock more upgrades and such

Thanks for the advice!

It'll help a lot when i get there

[quick plinth]

one thing to keep in mind as you get to the higher difficulties would be to try to avoid confrontation as much as you can, enemies are endless, but your time, stratagems and ammo aren't

I've seen to many teams stuck in a vicious cycle when they try to fight everything and stand their ground

if you have to fight, you should still keep moving, otherwise you're playing on the enemies terms and they'll win unless met with overwhelming firepower from you and your team, overkill is acceptable if it means moving on quickly from a potential death spiral

especially if there's a mortar, detection tower, jammer / Stalker or Shrieker nest nearby

[hazy oriole]

gotcha
I've been mostly playing Bug missions of late but I've seen how nasty some ofthose bot structures can be

[quick plinth]

I'd argue a couple of Stalker or Shriker nests placed near one another can be much more immedately deadly since there's also likely to be a lot of the regular bugs around acting as chaff for the deadlier counterparts

[hazy oriole]

nodding
i've yet to encounter shriekers yet as they've been added while im away from my helldiving pc

[quick plinth]

bots have a major weakness compared to bugs, and that's their structures aren't dug into the ground

you can just throw an airstrike or 500 at their fabricators and leave

if a jammer is attached to a fabricator, a single spear missle or well aimed autocannon shot can destroy it from a far (the only structures one can easily destroy against terminids would be the spore spewer and the shrieker nests, the latter of which costs a lot more resources to safely take out from a distance)

[sinful bay]

Yeah and their reinforcements are very on your face.
You KNOW where is coming from and how much is coming
Bugs is a hole you can't close until the timer says so

[quick plinth]

however, bots punish players willing to stand and fight even harder than bugs

which is, I suspect why most do not enjoy fighting them

though it could also be that the majority of major orders have been against bugs

[hazy oriole]

Do they drop all their reinforcementsfrom ships and is it possible to shoot them down before they deploy

[quick plinth]

you can shoot them down

one RR shot to the engines, orbital lasers often will, orbital railcannons can work too

often time kills most things it's carrying / dropped if it falls on top of them

[blissful sparrow]

the most annoying thing about drop ships is when you react too fast with a Railcannon strike and it takes out the dropship over a tank and the tank happily drives away from under it 😔

[hazy oriole]

RR?

[quick plinth]

recoilless rifle

uncommonly called "carl gustaf" (carl, gustav) after the IRL RR it was based upon

on an unrelated note

this is pure evil

they know what they're doing with this

[hazy oriole]

if only it was 40 friendlies

Joel is rubbing his hands with glee

[hazy oriole]

Ooooh, gotcha gotcha

I've got it unlocked but always found it much clunkier to use than an EAT

[quick plinth]

well

[hazy oriole]

probably because i prefer to deal with chargers by walking up to them and popping them in the face with my boom tube

[quick plinth]

you trade the low commitment of the EAT for higher avilability overall

as well as the absolutely nuts damage output if ur willing to find someone to load for you

however this is diminished if more than one person runs EATs

[sinful bay]

To complete that I just use them as a very big scatter bomb

[quick plinth]

yeah like a cluster munition lmao

[sinful bay]

Throw into a fabricator and during extractions, ezz

[hazy oriole]

Reckon runnung eradication missions might helo? They ususally have a ton of critters walking in one fairly direct direction

[sinful bay]

that too

[hazy oriole]

Gotcha
I'm gonna dip from the convo for a lil bit (or be back really intermittendly) but sincerly ty for your time and patience, I really enjoyed talking about this game with y'all and would love to play with you guys sometine

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> arcthrower is fixed (i hope) lets DIVE

[ionic holly]

it's blitzing time*

*later when i get the chance

[quick plinth]

@hazy oriole okay so, I just soloed a 6 so I can get the mine personal without teamkilling, and I'll say with the loadout I was running, it's definetly doable but most certainly not as easy as it would've been if I've had another person to just push buttons while I focused on the horde

[hazy oriole]

oh hell yeah! I hope it at least helped with the mine progress

[quick plinth]

so, arcthrower definetly is busted but moreso in a team setting

[graceful bluff]

Was there a ps5 player in the lobby?

cause if not, it really does not deal with BT's well

[quick plinth]

it doesn't

[hazy oriole]

BT?

[quick plinth]

true

[graceful bluff]

Bile Titan, Billy

and its charger damage is fine honestly, since it's balanced by the high mobility of the charger causing all sorts of friendly fire incidents with the arc thrower

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> we have space for two more

[naive dragon]

Dropping into random SOS calls is fun

Also if there is heckdiving I can pop in

43036907

[glacial light]

Can you intentionally join SOS or is it just random quick plays and public map missions

[naive dragon]

Quickplay to my knowledge

[stoic lotus]

there are missions on the map that have like the lines coming off them

[undone veldt]

https://vxtwitter.com/helldivers2/status/1772638366665687303?s=46&t=fIUfY3FiRXkmKVbIBdHHIw

GET READY TO SPILL OIL

[candid finch]

Oh this is a "supposed to lose" fight huh?

[graceful bluff]

the baddies are supposed to lose yes

[undone veldt]

You think super earth would ever send us to fight without full confidence in our victory?

[oblique storm]

"captive bots"

[ionic holly]

also on the planet map if you ever seen a blinking icon it's an SOS

[sinful bay]

Well we are fighting against hte bots so I am happy

Delete the rocket launcher bots and we golden

[graceful bluff]

or at least make them telegraph it a bit more

[sinful bay]

Agreed
Dying to them often feels random

[glacial light]

My opinion is they either need to be less accurate or remain accurate but have a laser to indicate they are aiming at you

[sinful bay]

The laser idea would be good , and it glows brighter when it's about to fire

[sinful bay]

Exactly

I remember there was a game like that, where ranged weapons first had to lock on you, making a laser appear, that glows deeper as it gets closer to shoot at you
You could also parry and send it back...

[stoic lotus]

I've definitely played something where the laser pointers swing over and go beep beep beep pow but I got no clue what

[blissful sparrow]

imo the problem with the Rockets is that they kill you hard, at random times and are easily avoidable if you see them
So they are kinda boring, and not really any different from a bullet.
They should lean more into being splash damage to attrition away your health instead of oneshotting you

[sinful bay]

Agreed
Heavy armor is uselessa gainst them

[glacial light]

Heavy blast armor is a bit better since it let's you survive several rockets assuming physics doesn't kill you

Then it becomes a game of how many stims you have left

[honest acorn]

I think they just need to fix the occasionaly clipping issues

I think that's where a lot of of the really capricious feeling rocket deaths come from

When you think you're in cover or have an enfilade for protection but they loaded the rockets which phase through rocks

[sinful bay]

👏 DARKTIDE

[sinful bay]

I was thinking of Darktide

[stoic lotus]

ah yeah the sniper guys in darktide

[sinful bay]

Yeah
Give that to the rocket launcher bots and we are golden

[alpine seal]

porting illuminate sounds like they will either be paradoxically fairer than current bots or exponentially more bullshit

[sinful bay]

Not a 1 per 1 of course

[alpine seal]

definitely not no

[sinful bay]

Just something better than random death by rocket

[quick plinth]

not a laser but that anime esque blink the cannons do (turrets, tanks)

[sinful bay]

oh like a glow or something that draws your attention to it before it fires?

Or just the gundam psi sense noise /j

[blissful sparrow]

i just want constant laser show and techno soundtrack when the illus teleport in for the proper rave feeling

[sinful bay]

"DEPLOYING DISCO BALL"
Forced to dance taunt but makes the bots around the ball to malfunction and break down

[azure pewter]

Forces robots to also dance

They don’t dance like robot tho

Important clarification

[sinful bay]

Monkey paw curl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDqHoxVHW_s
Is this music

[blissful sparrow]

i'd be ok with that

or crabrave

[sinful bay]

y e s

[junior badge]

I HAVE THE SCORCHER

finally

[sinful bay]

Remember to not walk forward as you use it

[forest crater]

HAHAHAAAA I CAN USE MY ZAPPY BOY AGAIN

For bugs

[graceful bluff]

crab rave is bugs though

[forest crater]

I think I'm gonna keep using Autocannon against bots

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGgRNIMoZc

[sinful bay]

Autocannon on those walkers is love

[graceful bluff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183236936383594567/1220699377484431430/hulkdancefloor.mp4?ex=660fe3e3&is=65fd6ee3&hm=48b3b1117adcfc2c8d07e79e8388b47bb284fc139a55aa775319d94fa067a30f&

[forest crater]

Yeah I like how I can just look at the striders, pull the trigger with AC, and they fall over regardless of which way I was facing them from because of splash damage

[junior badge]

That's the flamer, not the scorcher, right?

the scorcher is essentially a rifle.

The arc thrower is now good against striders.

Did that use to work and it's the blitzer that doesn't?

[stoic lotus]

it has splash damage tho so you don't want to walk into your own aoe

[sinful bay]

So does Autocannon
I was reminded of that fact twice yesterday

All because a bug wanted a hug, what a cruel world

[junior badge]

Ah, okay, yeah, don't shoot things that are too close.

[sinful bay]

Let us give up our secondary weapon for a melee option so we can deal with them properly in those situations plz

[azure pewter]

<@&1206091872716595200> dive divers diving dived?

[granite rivet]

how bout we just smack 'em with the gun

[azure pewter]

bonk em with the eat

[tall nova]

Today is the day we retake the Creek!

[undone veldt]

Evidence helldivers needs a parry mechanic

[azure pewter]

me frame perfect parrying a charger and it explodes like a hellbomb

[orchid pulsar]

i so genuinely wish we would have some form of sword preferably of the laser variety

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVV1WThyZ8

Just hire this person

[orchid pulsar]

ya

[graceful bluff]

My sole wish is still pilebunker

let me cross counter a spike right into a chargers face

[verbal summit]

I like this clip

[strange vine]

oh boy

[azure pewter]

troost me itll be great

[heady halo]

melee update

2x main melee weapons (one of which is chainsaw)

1x sub weapon parry shield usable with any 1 handed weapon

1x sub weapon chain bayonet

1x support weapon rocket boosted pile bunker bayonet

[sinful bay]

yes plz

[oak crow]

imo, a better support melee weapon would be some kind of charged/loaded hammer, kinda like the Catalytic in Lancer, from the Tortuga License

the pile bunker is cool but idk how much it fits/would work in hell divers

actually

hm

a) just remembered that the Catalytic is basically just a hammer-based pilebunker and b) i think it's less the pilebunker itself and more finding a way to make a pilebunker type weapon fit

like helldivers is fairly (though far from completely) imitative of modern tech when it comes to most weapons (energy excluded). they'd need to package it in an interesting way for it to fit with the style.

[sinful bay]

Tortuga my beloved
To eb a walking tank with a shotgun to blow buildings out of the park

look what you done now I want to play Lancer again

[junior badge]

I like the scorcher

it's what I wanted the DMRs to be xD

[graceful bluff]

This time away from the arcthrower has made me start using the jar

1 shot headshots on devastators is so nice

and chunks through zerkers

[honest acorn]

yeah the dominator is pretty nice

[quick plinth]

I can see why people dislike it though

they tried to use it on bugs without a laser dog or redeemer secondary

honestly in a loadout like stalwart as your real primary weapon, a refill pack and some red stratagems

the dominator is actually excellent to deal with stuff like spewers and hiveguards, in more of a pinch though

[alpine seal]

i panned the dominator on my first run through with it due to the crappy handling, but with more time with bots i've learned to reappreciate it especially at range

have to get used to it for sure but first person view helps a lot for that regard

now one of my favorite guns vs. bots alongside the sickle and slugger

[quick plinth]

I've rarely seen a brood commander without legs

since I just op their head and shoot them a bit more so they dont come near

[stoic lotus]

more like brood commander wtihout head

barrelling towards me

[alpine seal]

always shot their heads assuming when they went fast they go in a straight line towards you since they cannot see

they. do not do that!

[stoic lotus]

they sometimes really do just decide fuck you in particular

[quick plinth]

bugs shouldn't track you without their head

[stark ether]

the key is to have a teammate between you and the headless commander

[granite rivet]

i mean, they probably rely more on smell than sight so maybe the rest of their body has some other way to get scents in?

We don't really know much about their biology and how similar it is to arthropods though

[dusky solar]

My favorite brood commander moment is when you shoot off their head and they become invincible while they call a breach

100 out of 10 points for game design excellence

[heavy portal]

Ah, a defensive attack

[heady halo]

ill get the video
mechanically it can funcrion like a videogame shotgun: shortrange aoe directly infront of you, armour piercing

irl equivilent it would be like attaching an explosive to a tank by hand

https://youtu.be/giPnsnWy2a0?si=QvSswmVfFlAre5Dn

and for the theming, its not just a pilebunker its a pulebunker bayonet. once you pick up the support weapon its mounted under your regular primary and "fires" when you melee

[barren iron]

feel like he could have shot at way further range than that

[honest acorn]

Ok I’m usually against melee weapon ideas for Helldivers but this is dope

[copper crest]

Not even the idea of a cavalry saber as a pistol replacement?

[stoic lotus]

I do think they should let us have a sword, and a long gun of some kind with a bayonet

[barren iron]

helldivers should give us a musket

not like the Constitution rifle

[rapid plover]

HD1 had a sword IIRC

[barren iron]

a musket

so I can have a musket with a sword

[honest acorn]

I’m down with that but only if it kind of sucks

[graceful bluff]

Also speaking of weapon ideas, give me a giant fuckoff laser where basically when you fire it, it clamps you to the ground, charges for a few seconds, and then fires a big fuckoff laser infront of you for a few seconds that just vaporizes enemies when they die

[stoic lotus]

I would love to go full 40k commissar on the bugs and start chopping away with a sword

[graceful bluff]

Basically I want the yamato's wave motion gun

[honest acorn]

Like is sort of like the Dagger where it’s serviceable but kinda ehhhh as a weapon

[graceful bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1rjv2zbcPQ

[cerulean sluice]

Maybe it’s a copyright safe chainsword which animation-locks for just a little too long to be safe to use

[meager saffron]

so just the chainsw

[heady halo]

right?

and i think the downside of, like, needing to be in melee to get ANY use out of it kinda writes itself

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-automaton-ko-punch-devastator-gif-17309311234866658824

[oak crow]

interesting. that's actually rather cool. i think i'd still prefer the Catalytic Hammer style (large rod extending from hammer on hit), but I can see either working.

Modified originally from blast-mining equipment, the catalytic hammer (colloquially, the “pilebunker”) has since been refined into a formidable melee weapon. When fired, a charge propels the hammer – a solid cylinder with a spike on one end – through a short barrel, impacting with enormous kinetic force. Standard hammer heads are smooth to allow for easy extraction from targets, but they can be detached and replaced if retrieval is impossible. Any installation of a catalytic hammer necessitates superstructure reinforcement to allow for sufficient energy dispersal.

[alpine seal]

https://fxtwitter.com/jtidsfriend/status/1765509407633244421

[graceful bluff]

The devestator punches are just so satisfying

[stoic lotus]

they have big "tell me how the grass tastes, little man!" energy

[graceful bluff]

I'm surprised no ones made that edit yet

[glacial light]

Imagine a stratagem that's just a devastator power fist for yourself

[stoic lotus]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf5ripSoy04|| cw: full contact knight combat

[graceful bluff]

Just let me gate of babylon a group of enemies from the sky with it leaving a bunch of swords you can pick up afterwards

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-kunai-gate-of-babylon-fate-stay-night-gif-14427496

[graceful bluff]

Honestly they should let us do that with the ballistic shield

[fallen tendon]

ngl, thought this was only partially fixed as steam servers went down for a short period after I got friendly fired by an arc projector :')

[honest acorn]

<@&1206091872716595200> you might be brave enough to fight bugs or bots but who's brave enough to take on Steam Maintenance Night?

[graceful bluff]

oh no

What's the worst that could happen

[glacial light]

Are the steam servers ok tonight

[fallen tendon]

I've only had the one incident but I don't really want to get 3/4 of the way through another bot mission just to have it cut out on me again so I called it for tonight

[forest crater]

laughs in PS5 player

[glacial light]

RIP

[merry cosmos]

The big knight in that is now my role model

[merry cosmos]

Having 2 500kg bombs is a swell time

[honest acorn]

<@&1206091872716595200> server seems ok, looking for 2

[glacial light]

Woo medic light armor in the shop, odd it has 64 armor

Looking for more <@&1206091872716595200>

[honest acorn]

So I think the arc bug fix may have significantly buffed the blitzer

[graceful bluff]

I find it funny we fought to try and get a full group for over an hour and as soon as we leave everyone wants to play :v

[honest acorn]

It feels a lot more consistent now and seems to do a better job targeting weak spots

[graceful bluff]

Yeah general arc tracking has gotten a ton better

[feral iron]

<@&1206091872716595200> There's still a slot free. I'm only watching

[stone bridge]

Wow, yeah, the Blitzer is massively more consistent now

If there's a target near your crosshair it will hit, no more random fizzles

[forest crater]

What about the thrower?

[graceful bluff]

same with that

[tall nova]

bots are so much harder than bugs holy shit

also I'm kind of disappointed with Orbital Laser. it's good, but only 3 uses is rough

[supple siren]

I do find what does/doesn't have a number of uses a little odd.. it feels like it'd be hard to 'over-rely' on the Laser with the 300 second CD

[oak crow]

they're a lot easier to run from. "just book it" is one of the best pieces of advice i can give you.

[tall nova]

the issue is they have guns and the bugs don't

and taking bot bases is harder than taking bug holes

[oak crow]

make sure to dip away from fights and to use cover as much as possible, and it makes it a lot more manageable

[oak crow]

in what ways? not saying you're wrong, just hasn't been my experience.

[tall nova]

bug holes are easier to pop from a distance in my experience

[oblique storm]

Honestly you know what it probably was

the "logic" of the arc thrower was probably crashing people

so they changed the logic and accidentally buffed it

[idle hollow]

it’s a panic button if there ever was one

also great for heavy bot outposts

[oak crow]

normally i just send a 500kg and then mop up whats left. finishes most small or medium bases.

the two fronts def require different thinking/tactics tho

[strange vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209568164141207552/1222328933182079006/-3589451360463298875.mov?ex=6615d187&is=66035c87&hm=608a3534cf15b0f813b9a880a33bf5b87aae803aef1c189f4adb0e4eafeb4981&

[cobalt patrol]

Bots require a massive tactic adjustment

Like I really love bots and bugs both as foes, but they're very different in strategies

Bots really favour hit and run sabtouer tactics. Them being ranged means a firefight is a losing proposition, especially with the range on Rocket Devs, etc.

[gritty sundial]

I find the perspective bugs are easier than bots

utterly fascinating

cuz I'm so much more comfortable with bots

[cobalt patrol]

Autocannon, Scorcher, Railgun, ems, recoilless, eat, smoke, barrages are all really good

[gritty sundial]

But that's maybe because I started with them

[cobalt patrol]

My current Loadout for bots is medium fortified armour, autocannon, stun grenades, 500kg, 380 barrage, and one more, usually ems turret

If I could fit smoke in there, I would

[gritty sundial]

Light armor, diligence, senator, amr, short-fuse grenades, 500kg, airstrike, strafing run

chef kiss

The amr is one of the guns of all time

[cobalt patrol]

500kg solves tanks, detector towers and a lot of things. Barrage crushes bases and bot drops, autocannon and Scorcher are a great pairing, stun grenades gives me space/trickshot chances, EMS is a great distraction/harassment tool

[glacial light]

How's the blitz arc shotgun?

[cobalt patrol]

People were saying it's a lot more reliable suddenly

[glacial light]

If there's one thing that's reliable it's
https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bo620o/todays_personal_order_helldivers/

But good I haven't used it, anything I should know about using it?

[strange vine]

im sure this wont have any negative consequences

[glacial light]

Then we need to adapt to make stronger termicide

[cobalt patrol]

It tends to ragdoll teammates

<@&1206091872716595200> Who wants to go shoot some Ro-butts

Liberate a planet or three

[fallen tendon]

re: hit and run tactics mentioned earlier - bots rely on you swapping from "full/fuller auto" to "single AP shots" - my first bot mission on difficulty 1 was hell, but running 4s is fine now after I was told that;

• the Dilligence (the Marksman Rifle from like page 2 of the non-SC bond) one taps the smalls on body, and is useful for popping the heads on the unarmored head big ones
• how to aim down scope for guns in general (its middle mouse button in case anyone wants to know) so I can actually aim the AMR at long distances
• and being shown that you can expendable anti tank the thrusters on any called in bot pods and short of the tank turrets or anything super armored the bots are easier to pull people through than the bugs if your teammates don't set 6 patrols off calling ships at once
  I don't know about difficulties higher than 5, but 5 and below are super manageable if you do those loadout swaps I mentioned.
  As for clearing bases, bringing the basic eagle bomb strike is really good for them, as is the smaller MM Orbital Barrage (think its 120?) as you can just lob either in and let them clear most of the bases and defences before doing cleanup.

should clarify, not the cluster bomb - the one that has actual explosions that can destroy buildings. The cluster bomb is a great patrol clearer though as only the small bots can call for backup; so while you'll still be dealing with any bigs they have left you won't need to deal with any ships from orbit or anything.
Tank towers are also way less likely to target you in the dark if you're prone as well I noticed? Like I sat in direct LoS to one and it just didn't shoot at me once despite me being the only valid target for it? Not sure if that was 100% intended but I'll definitely take it as it lets you sit in a position and harass bots over long distances with your guns and/or approach close enough to drop an orbital or eagle on the turret.

[cobalt patrol]

I prefer the heavier 380 barrage b ecause it's just a giant "Fuck this area" button

[fallen tendon]

completely fair - I don't have it unlocked yet so I can't really comment

[meager saffron]

the 380 is still too much scatter for not enough actual killcount for me, but ymmv

[cobalt patrol]

That said, "Fuck this area" includes "anyone standing vaugely close"

[fallen tendon]

completely fair, for buildings and structures though they're both great I'd say

[meager saffron]

penguin was on the receiving end of a 380 thrown like

[cobalt patrol]

The scatter is a virtue on bot drops, like it just shuts down any and all bot drops and patrols

[meager saffron]

100 meters out

[cobalt patrol]

Penguin has repetadly disintergrated teamates

[meager saffron]

honestly kind of impressive

[honest acorn]

I think the 380 is good for heavy bot bases and... that's kind of it

[cobalt patrol]

And contiunes to do so.

Nah, seriously, bot drops it's amazing

[honest acorn]

But it can make those much less of a headache

[cobalt patrol]

it's also a great distraction

it also wrecks bile titans hilariously enough

[meager saffron]

it can solo the waves of infinite reinforces that sometimes hit you on high level bots

which is a fair utility

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> I am once again rquesting more people to come hug some robots

Basically, y ou loose out on the Orbital Laser's precision, in return for a bigger area, more total damage and duration, and no charges to worry about

also faster recharge which is not irrelvant

But you really have to think about things like "Where's my super destroy relative to where i'm throwing"

[fallen tendon]

main reason I love eagle compared to most orbital stuff

[cobalt patrol]

and knowing how to do dive throws

And not factoring that stuff in can be a big problem

I would say never bring itif increased scatter is a modifier though

like airburst gets incredibly dangerous on increased scatter

380 on increased scatter is well

[meager saffron]

clusters on increased scatter are also painpeko

[honest acorn]

god that one sucks with them

just stomps the hell out of... something

[cobalt patrol]

Tell teamates to run

not fight the patrol that got calledi n on us

that i've got 380 on

...tema immediatelay runs INTO The 380

then gets mad they got fragged

[unkempt river]

Rip: Work be like: "No helldivers 4 u"

[cobalt patrol]

Right when i'm about to invite you, lol

[stone bridge]

Clusters aren't affected by the +Scatter, they're just natural TK magnets

[kindred lintel]

As far as I know, all scatter does is "move" where the beacon is by a little bit

[honest acorn]

I assumed that was airburst

It can move the beacen by a fair amount but yeah it doesn't change the deviation after

[meager saffron]

I mean moving the beacon is fairly significant when it throws a horizontal line

[merry cosmos]

So we apparently lost nearly 200 million helldivers so far

When do you think super earth is going to start letting children over 7 inlist

[forest crater]

Y'know

I said I would use arc thrower for bugs, Autocannon for bots

But

And this might just be me loving the arc thrower

It feels pretty damn good against bots for the most part

Of course, the fact I don't exactly have to aim helps a ton, because my aim in general kinda sucks

[meager saffron]

arc thrower IS good against bots

it lacks something without the ability to hit precision spots but

[forest crater]

But being able to knock devastators with only a couple shocks is downright euphoric

[meager saffron]

making scout walkers jump out of their pants

extremely funny

[forest crater]

Yeah

[meager saffron]

killing flame hulks and devs in reasonable time is crazy

the range is bananas

the main concern is just learning jiggle peeking

[forest crater]

I sure hope to whatever fucking gods are up there that the armor-ignoring doesn't get debuffed

[forest crater]

Mhm, but when it does angle into the head? chef's kiss

[civic apex]

what do you call the super sample rock

me and my brother call it

..... The Nipple.

[glacial light]

Arc thrower goes through scout walkers?

[forest crater]

I've only ever seen it as the super uranium

[civic apex]

it goes through EVERYTHING

[forest crater]

Which definitely doesn't look like uranium but instead mercury

[civic apex]

for reference , we call it that becuase baby bottle nipple

[forest crater]

Ohhh

Yeah I see it

[glacial light]

The innocent "super sample rock"

[forest crater]

OH

THAT'S THE TELL FOR SUPER SAMPLE POI???

[civic apex]

yes

[forest crater]

Amazing

[forest crater]

I will surely forget this information

[forest crater]

I shall call it...the doorknob rock

[forest crater]

What's the difference

[civic apex]

corrupted doesnt spawn anything

[glacial light]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1borl7f/with_logistics_like_this_no_wonder_the_automatons/

[forest crater]

What, so the super samples are at a different poi instead?

[civic apex]

nah , its always 1 good node

the others are just fake outs

so you might mistake them from afar

theres only ever like ...3 super samples

on suicide or higher

[forest crater]

Yeah

I've been doing suicide only so far

I'm

Not brave enough for impossible or helldive

I can barely do suicide as is

Heck, the last three bot suicide missions I did ended with failed extracts lol

But we had completed the main objective

[forest crater]

Do the fake outs have other samples?

[cobalt patrol]

Sometimes

[oblique lotus]

honestly given that super earth controls quite a bit of the galaxy its entirely possible that the population is doing fine

200 mil is a lot of people but on the scale of a galactic conflict it's not huge percentages

[unreal merlin]

There's only 3/5/6 super samples on difficulty 7/8/9, and to my knowledge they all spawn only at the single bulbous silver rock formation. There's a handful of map features that use that rock asset in it but they're all accompanied by other features like buildings or but nest gunk.

[oblique lotus]

yup

they all spawn on the thumb rock

[glad marsh]

The earthly protrusion

[cobalt patrol]

Something that's really helping on the current bot missions:

Eagle smoke.

[dusky solar]

Arc thrower being back is so good

I missed it so much