Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[rare nymph]

And if you read the contract, they purchase that gear with their own resources

[glacial light]

Gear is cheap, you can always make more stuff

[rare nymph]

Which then gets inherited by the next diver to take command of the destroyer

[glacial light]

That detail gets me, imagine all the insane rules of a super destroyer from having like a 100 different captains that rotate every hour

[barren zephyr]

Its funny because they imply that the Helldivers are supposed to be cream of the crop of Super Earth ground forces

[rare nymph]

Im practice, I’m sure the ship master and democracy officer have far more control of the ship than the diver

[barren zephyr]

Elite mooks

[glacial light]

I thought that was just funny propaghanda like how starship trooper's are "elite"

[barren zephyr]

Nah thats the stupid movie

The actual SST MI really is elite troops

[rare nymph]

In fact, the shipmaster has first say in determining the line of diver succession

[glacial light]

Determining line of diver succession sounds like a full time job

[barren zephyr]

The game just kinda went over both the book and that film and cherry-picking the best of both

still no gorilla powered armor

[glacial light]

I want an armor that lets you melee faster, and probably the saber from HD1. Be a full knight with ballistic shield

Let me parry a rocket

[barren zephyr]

Yeah about that

[rare nymph]

Btw, I’m getting this information on the Helldiver contract from the tutorial

[rare nymph]

When you get your cape, there are plaques on the wall outlining the contract

[merry cosmos]

I honestly don't like this very much. Idk why but I don't fully vibe with it

[glacial light]

Don't you know reading the contract is punishable by death?

[civic apex]

yeah ?

[rare nymph]

Reading the contract in full is a breach of contract

[barren zephyr]

Lol

Lmao even

[glacial light]

I mean you're probably right I did not read the contract at all

[merry cosmos]

Probably because of the way the va read part of the anthem at the end

[civic apex]

?

thats a part of an anthem ?

[rare nymph]

And for the purposes of the contract, reading is the same as accepting the contract, and “reading” is understood to mean “spending at least one second within 15 meters of the contract”

You can find the full text of it on the helldivers wiki

[merry cosmos]

"HEART-STEEL"
"WE-KILL"
"IRON-WILL"
"ONTO-WAR"

[civic apex]

oh ok

[merry cosmos]

It didn't really fit with the rest of it imo

[glacial light]

I do like the automatons as acting like single minded naive creations that just want to deliver their creators, the cyborgs, the same "freedom" they're currently enjoying despite being hunted and think they can just escape Super Earth with no recourse.

Really cements the we're bad guys more, idk why but I like loud satire

The answer to are we the baddies is ooc absolutely

[merry cosmos]

I was gonna post a meme about this but it's somewhat aggressive

[glacial light]

I think this is the first game where I feel like playing a "more real" evil character, in that they're more like more complex villains and believe they're doing the right things but everyone else outside the faction sees them as evil.

Most games where you be evil you kind of are cartoonishly evil for no reason, not that SuperEarth isn't cartoonishly evil

[merry cosmos]

Enjoy the freedom to die horrifically in the pursuit of liberation

[glacial light]

Actually no Tyranny was much better written protagonist villain even if I have gripes with it

[barren zephyr]

Also Super Earth cities are called Mega Cities

So my headcanon is that the Fed parliament is literally a council of militant Judges like those from Judge Dredd comics

[jolly mortar]

I mean I would not be shocked if the military just ran the show on super earth

[merry cosmos]

I Headcannon that super earth is a shit hole personally

[rare nymph]

From what I hear in-game about the Democratic Council, it would seem they run the show

[barren zephyr]

Always have been

[jolly mortar]

I sorta pictured it as somewhere in the realm of cyberpunk and 2000 AD myself.

[glacial light]

I imagine it's like suburbs from the intro, but uber HOA so you're still right. It's super clean on the surface but awful still

[barren zephyr]

Arasaka exists in Helldivers universe then

[merry cosmos]

HOA?

[jolly mortar]

and the military is likely a gigantic Militech-style superpower.

[glacial light]

Home owner's association

[merry cosmos]

Ah

[rare nymph]

They turned the Giza Pyramids into apartment complexes

[merry cosmos]

Like I'm imagining the SEAF are the cops and helldivers are akin to swat

[barren zephyr]

The average megacity would have those supersized apartment blocks like the one in the live action Dredd movie

[jolly mortar]

i was thinking the SEAF probably function on earth as akin to really highly-armed and well-trained military police.

[barren zephyr]

https://youtu.be/f2m6XWIK9Vg?si=ERRph-DLYIAgAxZI

[jolly mortar]

so, basically, Judges lmao

[merry cosmos]

Arnt judge's a separate unit in mega city police forces?

[glacial light]

Headcanon: Great Wall of Democracy isn't the great wall of china but a Kowloon Walled City type place that stretches a whole sub-continent

[stark ether]

its the line

[honest acorn]

I think the SEAF are a sort of defensive force to the offensive and disruptive helldivers

[barren zephyr]

They are both the judige jury and law enforcers if we r talking about the ones in Dredd

[rare nymph]

oh no

[merry cosmos]

How squalid do you think the city's are

[barren zephyr]

See above

[honest acorn]

A sort of parallel to the imperial guard vs space marines

[barren zephyr]

Supersized apartment blocks

[merry cosmos]

What even is in-between the city's

[barren zephyr]

Nuclear wastelands

[merry cosmos]

Just ghost towns?

[barren zephyr]

Just like Dredd

[stark ether]

and or more city

[rare nymph]

I kinda hope they add an in-game lore codex

[honest acorn]

suburbs clearly

[stone bridge]

This makes a lot of sense to me, I think

[naive dragon]

I'm pretty sure Super Earth isn't even the original Earth anyway

[barren zephyr]

Alternatively most of the Earth coastal cities we know of are already under the water

[merry cosmos]

Slumberbs*

[barren zephyr]

Nah it is

But fucked up so badly

[honest acorn]

Much bias here but the Helldivers remind me a lot of the OG Rogue Trader era space marines

[glacial light]

I like to imagine they create a new Super Earth every time the previous one is destroyed or "unusable"

[barren zephyr]

How

[naive dragon]

That's what I thought Viivii

[barren zephyr]

The techs arent even there

[rare nymph]

That's what would happen in HD1, iirc

[honest acorn]

Buncha drugged up psychos given broad leeway to take the fight to the enemies of The God-Emperor Managed Democracy

[glacial light]

They just move planets, call it Super Earth, freedom camps the ones that question it

[naive dragon]

SE gets "blown up" (We lose a HD1 war) but now we all say "oh no SE is fine" and a new SE is promoted

[glacial light]

There's has always been one Super Earth

[honest acorn]

No I think it might actually be suburbs

Helldivers isn't actually just Dredd again

[merry cosmos]

Freedom camps be just like the camps in north Korea

[rare nymph]

It's a more saccharine kind of dystopia

[glacial light]

I thought it was just a euphemism for execution

[barren zephyr]

Nah its the gulags

[honest acorn]

We've actually seen Super Earth cities with the HD1 city defense missions

They're relatively clean and shiny when its not a bombed to hell tileset

[naive dragon]

Though I imagine SE and any "Developed" world is yeah, miles of suburbs of identical freedom planets with metro centers where the commercialism happens

Push all the gross stuff and poor people to the frontier etc

[honest acorn]

I think Super Earth's home front is more a Mirror's Edge looking dystopia than a 40k one

[rare nymph]

Ye

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes the average American suburbs

Or alternatively, Commieblocks

[honest acorn]

Yeah I think that's actually supported with how Super Earth looks in HD2

Those are just normal looking startlingly ordered city lights

[meager saffron]

it's tron

confirmed

[honest acorn]

And no one on your ship has ever been their since they don't have the citizen rank to be allowed to go

[naive dragon]

If a city planet is an ecumenopolis what world a suburb planet be

[glacial light]

I imagine it's like everything looks super clean and sanitary but everything is awful otherwise, so like every appliance is the cheapest possible that hardly works and aside from the fact it looks impeccable it's absolute garbage that requires frequent mainteance and somehow DRM locked for repairs except from SE Technicians

[rare nymph]

Hell

[barren zephyr]

I mean, you forgot that some are from outer colonies as well

[naive dragon]

What is the ancient greek word for suburb

[glacial light]

B-but I paid for Super Citizen

[barren zephyr]

You aint paying enough

[rare nymph]

Profile pic really works here

[honest acorn]

προάστιο I think

[barren zephyr]

Now go out there and grind more SE Social Credits

[jolly mortar]

but also if you're rich it unlocks the software that makes everything function perfectly normal

[honest acorn]

Ecumenoprostrio?

[barren zephyr]

Wait what would be the Super Earth equivalent of social credits?

Liberty Points?

[honest acorn]

Super Credits

[glacial light]

Requisitions

[honest acorn]

Or Citizen Rank depending on how you mean it

[glacial light]

No Super Credits is better

[rare nymph]

Citizen Rank is a thing

[stark ether]

yeah theres a actual named thing in the contract

[barren zephyr]

I expect them to have a social credit system

[jolly mortar]

Shadowheart, Super Earth's specialest little Super Citizen who can do no wrong

[stark ether]

Accordingly, upon commencement of the delivery of services, the immediate family members of the Enlisted (defined as parents, siblings, heirs, and successors) shall receive 4.5 citizenship points, to be allocated at the recipients’ discretion.

[barren zephyr]

And whenever you badmouthing the gov you get monitored by the glowies or doxxed

[rare nymph]

Was just about to post that!

Its in the contract

[jolly mortar]

that was supposed to be replied to cringeberry's post whoops

[naive dragon]

Privacy is a socialist myth, citizen. Why would you want to hide how patriotic you are?

[glacial light]

"Yes i'm a liberator and a hater. I'm also Democracy's favorite princess and the most interesting Helldiver in the world."

[naive dragon]

(I imagine you can't get doxxed because everyone is public record)

[naive dragon]

Keeps everyone with that public face

[barren zephyr]

There is a dialogue in HD1 about a person who got doxxed by his own dad for not saluting the flag

Lmao

[naive dragon]

lmao

[glacial light]

Amazing

[naive dragon]

Me not doing the flag pledge in 2002

You'd think I wiped by backside with it way folks looked at me

[jolly mortar]

i wouldn't last growing up on super earth. i'd be cooked

i stopped saluting the flag at like 15

[barren zephyr]

You will lose all your Super Credits

[naive dragon]

I woulda been put in freedom camp so quick

[jolly mortar]

I WILL

[glacial light]

I used to get shit in HS for not saying the pledge nor standing for it, albeit it was for edgy reasons but I still feel valid

[naive dragon]

My grandpa told me it was a dumb thing to force kids to do

[jolly mortar]

it was for edgy 'look at me i'm different' reasons as a kid but now it's less edgy 'i am different and inherently non-nationalist' as an adult

[naive dragon]

I used his "served in nam" status to justify that

As a kid it was definitely trying to be special/edgy but I get it now that I'm grown

[jolly mortar]

yeaaaaaaahhh

either way all of us would not last a day on super earth

[naive dragon]

I mean let's be fair

PNET is full of people who'd be cyborgs/automatons

Me included

[jolly mortar]

this is true

[glacial light]

Super Earth? Oh i'm a corpro rat type so I feel like I would thrive in the suburbs lower-middle class but on the field i'd die in training

[jolly mortar]

they're communist, for one

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> speaking of, anyone down to dive?

[jolly mortar]

i'd have been a cyborg day one

and I am tempted but also I am pretty drunk

I cannot be trusted with munitions rn

[quick plinth]

I'll be there

[glacial light]

I simply would not be in the Helldiver's universe at all

[jolly mortar]

same

[barren zephyr]

Cyborgs are equivalent of rebel colonies

[honest acorn]

yeah I can do some

[naive dragon]

Real

[stone bridge]

[naive dragon]

If yall don't mind me I can join

[stone bridge]

yeah sure thing

gimme 5 and I'll be in activity 1

[naive dragon]

Hopping in

[glacial light]

RIP i'm just here in the thread multitasking while in a ttrpg game

[jolly mortar]

same. split here between shooting the shit here and hanging around an RP space elsewhere.

[naive dragon]

$8238-9761

[rare nymph]

Im just killing time before I turn in for the night

[stiff pine]

Necromancy for the 'what is the helldivers/SEAF' conversation but uhhh

the helldivers are literally the SS

'Separate division of politically motivated troops with vastly fluctuating training who are spoiled with the better gear' is pretty close

[rare nymph]

For a sec I read that as using Necromancy on the helldiver/SEAF

And I was like "when did Super Earth learn the dark arts?"

[civic apex]

https://fxtwitter.com/Helldivers2HQ/status/1770150745943269519

PONCHOS

[autumn plover]

this ironically reminds me i want a new clone arc trooper/commando game

[jolly mortar]

my blood feud with lucas/now disney is eternal for never following up on the ending of republic commando.

[hot meadow]

just unlocked the spear

it seems incredibly cool

[gritty sundial]

This is making me percolate a new star wars oc with a poncho

spoilers; trans woman clone trooper

[alpine seal]

we got estanu!!

now that's 4 planets in 2¼ days

[civic apex]

Iirc there’s a book with a stormtrooper named sister

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sister

( no picture)

[gritty sundial]

FUCK YEEEEEAAAAHHHH

[civic apex]

https://tenor.com/view/mosquito-giant-gif-14169910

[cobalt patrol]

Someone managed to get the Screechers AND the blue ufo laser

[stone bridge]

:C

[civic apex]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

Imagine what flying enemies the automatons might have

[rich marlin]

Just did a mission where I swore I was diving into bot challenging but when we dropped it was 9 and the host had unlimited orbital lasers

[hot meadow]

Can the spear only lock onto some enemies?

[honest acorn]

Yeah only big ones

[hot meadow]

Sweet. I was trying to use it to hit a rocket devastator and that did NOT work.

Still, it is a very cool support one.

I am not like sure it is good but it is 100% fun

[honest acorn]

It’s good just finicky

[hot meadow]

I enjoyed sniping chargers with it.

Oh and using it to take out automaton posts from a distance

[daring monolith]

at first I thought its lock was based on armour type

but it locks onto brood commanders so that can't be correct

[honest acorn]

It’s basically just size I think

[blissful sparrow]

brood commansers are bosses in low difficulty

[honest acorn]

Are scout walkers?

Since it locks those as well

[stiff pine]

I'm annoyed it doesn't lock spore spewers (afaik)

[blissful sparrow]

would need a multi lockon for that anyway 😄

[blissful sparrow]

i guess those are classified as "vehicles" so also count?

[stone bridge]

yeah Striders are big blips

Which is odd

[civic apex]

https://fxtwitter.com/Steal_your_shit/status/1770173434674217004

[rich marlin]

I am slowly starting to feel more comfortable in high difficulties

[quick plinth]

for some reason the game seems to be crashing a lot whenever I go to switch up armors

(it seems to be directly corelated to it failing to load them in)

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, holy shit

So it turns out that Shredder tank armor is so fragile

taht 3 autocannon shots whever the fuck

on their turret

will kill them

Well, as long as it's not head on

[shy prairie]

i get a pretty consistent crash (only on my super destroyer though) if i hit escape immediately after putting on a helmet in the armory

[rich marlin]

rivalry with hunters ended. Stalkers are my sworn enemy now

[quick plinth]

both? both is good I think. (fuck em both)

[barren zephyr]

🤔

[rich marlin]

[barren zephyr]

literally 1984

[blissful sparrow]

Thats why i don't think

[barren zephyr]

no thoughts head empty

[jolly mortar]

Well, this last match is the literal first time I've had someone answer accidental friendly fire with seeking me out and deliberately teamkilling me.

[jolly mortar]

Unrelated: yeah, the spear fucks, now that I know the trick is largely to mark the enemy first, then lock on.

One-shot three chargers back to back to back.

[cobalt patrol]

How do you mark enemies with it?

[jolly mortar]

just the normal enemy marking system

you do it before picking an enemy to focus. so mark them, then aim just below the arrow on the mark symbol, lock on, and fire.

[stone bridge]

Do you mean pinging an enemy, like with Q?

[jolly mortar]

that yeah

[stone bridge]

cool cool

[jolly mortar]

I read it here a bit upwards and tried it just now, it's pretty replicatable

(though right bumper for me, because I play on controller. on pc. like a heathen.)

[cobalt patrol]

While I don't get it myself, if playing on controller works for you, more power to you.

I only use controller for character action games, and stuff like monster Hunter, dark souls

[jolly mortar]

I use controller for basically all third person shooters, honestly.

[quick plinth]

but yeah

TL;DR marking the enemies points to their centre mass
which is where the spear tries to look for and lock onto

making it easier for you to try and let it lock

(a bit longer) oneshots bile titans and chargers if you get them to face you (not 100% consistent) but it's really nice for the BTs and whenever the opportunity presents itself for chargers

however something like nursery spewers and spore spewers (as well as enviromental fog or dust) can heavily hinder your ability to properly use the Spear

[daring monolith]

EAT is genuinely becoming one of my favourite support weapons with how easily it takes out chargers

[quick plinth]

I mean since the one hit to head kill buff RR and EATs have become much better

also- I do feel that the spear should onehit kill chargers no matter where you hit them

considering you get- at most 4 missiles on you at any time

(1 in the tube 3 on the back)

not to mention the current unreliability regarding lock about 20-30% of the time ive been trying to run it extensively

so if the lock-on got fixed the charger matchup could remain unchanged

=
the more annoying issue with the spear is that versus automatons it often doesn't hit the roof of tanks or hulks, if it manages to lock-on in the first place
(the only targets besides fabricators you should really be using it on- striders are a waste of your very limited ammo supply)
which means that a lot of the time you will need to use two missiles on a very dangerous enemy that simply wont give you the time (not to mention all the other things that could be stopping you from solo reloading, which you will be doing 99% of the time as having someone else carry the spear backpack is largely not worth the very rare circumstances where you might need assisted reloading)

[cobalt patrol]

🛠️** PATCH 1.000.103 ⚙️**

🌍 Overview
For this patch, we have implemented:

• Fixes to the EXO-45 Patriot exosuit, game stats, UI, and general stability.
• Balance improvements for planetary hazards and patrol spawns.

⚖️ Balancing

• Balanced and adjusted spawn rates for the various planet hazards including tremors, meteor showers, volcanic activity, fire tornados, and ion storms. Hazards should now spawn less frequently during missions.
• Meteor Shower has received the following changes in addition to reduced spawn rate:
  🔹 Reduced explosion radius
  🔹 Reduced meteor damage slightly
  🔹 Reduced meteor velocity slightly
  🔹 Meteor color has been changed slightly to try and make it easier to spot.
• Volcanic Activity has received the following changes in addition to reduced spawn rate:
  🔹 Reduced explosion radius
  🔹 Reduced rock velocity slightly
• Lighting on Fenrir III has been adjusted to be a bit less bright to improve visibility during meteor showers.

🔧 Fixes

• Reduced incidents of patrols spawning on players.
• Exosuit no longer destroys itself when firing a missile while turning .
• Exosuit retains its melee functionality, even when damaged.
• Crash fixes for the following scenarios
  🔹 When ALT+Tabbing in fullscreen mode
  🔹 After changing voice over language
  🔹 PS5 boot issue
  🔹 Using a stim inside of an Exosuit while wielding a grenade
  🔹 When joining an ongoing mission
  🔹 When idling on the title screen
• Shots from arc-based weapons, such as 'Blitzer' shotgun and 'AC-8 Arc Thrower' stratagem now count towards "Shots fired" and "Shots hit" stats.
• Fixed network desync issue with downed Automaton dropships.
• Fixed Elgato Stream Deck Foot Pedal support.

🧠 Known Issues
These are issues that were either introduced by this patch and are being worked on, or are from a previous version and have not yet been fixed.

• Various issues involving friend invites and cross-play:
  🔹 Cross-platform friend invites might not show up in the Friend Requests tab.
  🔹 Players cannot unfriend other players befriended via friend code.
  🔹 Players cannot unblock players that were not in their Friends list beforehand.
  🔹 Players cannot befriend players with Steam names shorter than 3 characters.
• Hellpod steering close to large or important objects is currently not functioning as intended, resulting in steering being disabled in a large area around the object.
• Online features are not functioning when console language is set to Ukrainian.
• Players may be unable to select loadout when joining a multiplayer via an activity card.

• Planet liberation reaches 100% at the end of every Defend mission.
• Drowning in deep water with a Vitality Booster equipped puts Helldiver in a broken state.
• Exosuits will sometimes be delivered in a damaged or broken state.
• Stratagem beam might attach itself to an enemy but it will deploy to its original location.
• Pink artifacts may appear in the sky when setting off large explosions.
• Text chat box display is obstructed by the cinematic letterboxing during extraction.
• Sometimes the player’s loadout customizations will reset after restarting the game.

[junior badge]

Mostly great patch notes, I think.

I wish they'd do something about all the fizzles on the arc weapons and the spear lock-on, or at least acknowledged these as known issues, though.

Although the most pressing stuff is probably fixing the social stuff.

[cobalt patrol]

I think some of the fizzles are intended, it's just the feedback on what causes them isnt consitnet

it's def trelated to terrain etc

[stone bridge]

we're so back

[quick plinth]

oh

so that's what was happening

[mortal wing]

I 100% had it fizzle on flat terrain with nothing in the way

Unless it tries to draw arc so far down it touches the ground

It just feels so inconsistent

[stone bridge]

I'm pretty sure it uses tracer rays with a random deviation from the barrel to find targets

Which is why it feels so inconsistent

[graceful bluff]

Hitting turrets unless you're on the same height as them is a pain at times

but like I've felt with many weapons like the arc thrower, pointing the muzzle up helps with targeting

[quick plinth]

okay so

shriekers are a thing now

[stone bridge]

On all planets???

[quick plinth]

and please tell me it's obvious that you should prioritise killing their towers???

[quick plinth]

probably

[quick plinth]

I joined a 9 and everyone was fucking avoiding killing them like it's gonna give them covid

what's worse I didn't have any on demand explosives because I wanted to try the arc thrower

[quick plinth]

which just isn't that great against flyers

[quick plinth]

yes

[stone bridge]

Scary

[stoic lotus]

shriekers?

[quick plinth]

flying enemies that spawn from vulnerable towers in the distance

less immedately scary stalkers

still a priority target

[stoic lotus]

huh

[quick plinth]

since they keep spawning

[stoic lotus]

why are people avoiding killing them

[civic apex]

can they pick you up and fly away with you ?

[quick plinth]

because they dont know they should kill the big bug towers or something?

[quick plinth]

no they just make passing swipe attacks at you

[civic apex]

https://tenor.com/view/swarmer-drg-deep-rock-galactic-deep-rock-swarmer-flip-gif-26281328

[cobalt patrol]

Shrierkers are pretty scary.

Kinda.

I dont know how you kill their nests other htan airstrikes/500kg/ hellbombs

[stone bridge]

Autocannon?

[graceful bluff]

laser too probably, works on the old towers

[cobalt patrol]

I should actually see if the fft does shit to em

[stone bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUObPFq8A2U

Knew I wasn't silly, Vit Booster does increase health

[cobalt patrol]

I thought was a given, what else would it do 0.o

[stone bridge]

The tooltip says it increases "injury resistance"

And since injuries are a mechanic

One can easily conflate that with limb health

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> I require more bug repellant

[cobalt patrol]

Oh, huh

...also i feel bad

end of a helldive

we'rre extracting

bile titna

500kg from me embeds in it's leg

kills it

...and wipes both my teamates ;.;

but i got their samples and extracted

sop

uh

[candid finch]

got the samples all that matters

[copper crest]

No sample left behind, Helldiver!

[cobalt patrol]

They were both cool about it, thankfully

[candid finch]

You got the samples and friendly fire happens

specially if it gets stuck on someone like Oh well!

[hexed steeple]

my life for super sample

[graceful bluff]

Shriekers are !!FUN!!

[sinful bay]

I love losing super samples because my team can't stop engaging patrons

[quick plinth]

people seem to be far too clueless about what they're supposed to do against shriekers and I lack the patience required to deal with that right now

[dusk meadow]

can you not just shoot them until they die?

I have not played in a bit so, side question, what is a shrieker?

[sinful bay]

They should have learned with Snake in metal gear
Focus on the mission
and smoking is bad for you

[quick plinth]

fresh new enemy's flies akd tries to swipe at you, worse than stalkers (side objective is their spawner which looks like a spore spewer almost) and nobody in randoms seems to be able to deal with them

[dusk meadow]

damn

[quick plinth]

so I just feel like im mad, trying to herd cats to go and kill the thing thats standing like 50 meters tall

[stoic lotus]

bring EATs

[quick plinth]

on avreage there's 3

they act like bug holes but only for Shriekers

[sinful bay]

honestly I have more fun against automatons

[glacial light]

I like automatons more too

They seemed to be more uniquely designed with a good variety of enemy comps and hostile side objectives

[stoic lotus]

automaton chaos is always great

and I get randomly onetapped by rockets a bit less with the enforcer armour now

[glacial light]

Cannon towers, detector towers, AA, jammers off the top of my head really affect the field and you can technically ignore them if you play around them

[cobalt patrol]

I find both are great fun

they're both just very different styles

[glacial light]

The big sides like spores, stalkers, new flyers nest you can't really ignore since they're in you're face all the time

[cobalt patrol]

the new flyers are a def shake up to the bugs

Thoguh they also play into the big bug thing: BUGS LOVE TO DISTRACT YOU

[stoic lotus]

spores are not really a concern since you can just shoot them

[glacial light]

Bugs I feel like are a bit under developed compared to bots there's just more bot structures and slightly more subtypes iirc

[cobalt patrol]

Bile Titans are literally just distraction carnifxes

They are "scary", but mosxtly not actually hugely threatning unless you play very poorly.

...however they're really fucking good at making everything else scarier/force multiplier

[glacial light]

I mean they're the fastest enemy I believe

[cobalt patrol]

(Though it is very, very, very funny to bait them into vomiting on chargers/groups and teamkilling)

[glacial light]

They just look slow but they got long looooonfg legs

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, but like, if you break their sacks (An impact or two will do it) all they can do is teh melee.

And the vomit is pretty dogeable

[blissful sparrow]

Biletitans are just somewhat unthreatening cause they gotta stop to attack you, so everytime they catch up to you, you just gotta continue running

[cobalt patrol]

most of their threat is because they split your attention off the hunter/spewer swarms.

[glacial light]

Bile spewers and nursery are deadlier to me since there's like x3 the amount

[cobalt patrol]

Yup, Spewers and Hunters are the big bug threats imho.

[glacial light]

And they still one shot you without shield

[cobalt patrol]

Warriors if you let them overwhelm you

But warriors generally only overwhelm you if things are going sideays

[glacial light]

Makes sense bugs deadliest enemies are the one with numerical superiority

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, in general i actually really like the enemy balance

[blissful sparrow]

as a Slugger fan, warriors are the least dangerous enemy

[cobalt patrol]

i think the only things that really need tweaking to me are Heavy Devs and Rocket Devs\

[glacial light]

Chargers you can juke in small numbers so like the big bugs are really distractiobs for the deadlier swarm

[cobalt patrol]

everything else feels pretty good - like spewers are mostly a "did someone bring a good explosives"

Chargers you can flat out turn against other bugs

like you can bait them into hitting bug holes and they'll die and close the hole

Bait them into their smash attack and tehy'll kill each other, or crush a spewer and kill themsleves from the explosion

Honestly just a really fun enemy.

[blissful sparrow]

Spewers thenselves are totally fine, i just dislike that every spawn has like 3 of them at once

if their numbers were more on a brood commander level i'd enjoy them a lot

[glacial light]

Ever since I used GL spewer swarms are a lot better for me

Everyone without explosives call them out worried and me or autocannoneer is like I got this

[cobalt patrol]

My actual big frustration with spewers?

[blissful sparrow]

i am a autocannon lover and i'm still annoyed by the hordes of spewers

[cobalt patrol]

You dont know if tehy're going to be in a mission or not.

[glacial light]

My issue is they're silent

I don't think they even make noise even while spewing or if they do it's faint

Same with chargers and biles but those have the biggest signalling

[cobalt patrol]

It is, afaik, teh only enemy type (I'm grouping Spitters and Bile Warriors as subtypes of spewers, since they only spawn on Bile maps) that can just... not turn up at all.

(At least, once yoiui're high enough in diffculity)

Every other enemy type, there's defintely a modifier that faovrs certain classes of enemeys for a map

(i.e hunter heavy maps or lots of heavy devs, or lots of assaults)

[glacial light]

I think with bots every bot type that can spawn on the diff will spawn throughout the mission? Just might not include certain subtypes

Bots feel more consistent in that regard

[blissful sparrow]

Bots are also a lot more similiar

[cobalt patrol]

Assaults (jetpack doods) seem to be the ones that'll go missing most often

but they're a subtype of b asic troopers

[stoic lotus]

rest in piss jetpack men

[cobalt patrol]

same as Mauraders etc

and honestly, MG Raiders are way scarier.

Assaults are just anti-breaker tech.

(Breaker will kill but not yeet them, so they tend to fall onto you and explode)

[sinful bay]

The way they react when shot feels more satisfying too

[cobalt patrol]

Slugger on the other hand, time to go skeet shootin'

[glacial light]

They seem to always spawn troopers, berserkers, devastators, and usually both tanks and hulks so you're expected enemy comp is relatively easy to prep for

I think spewers should be in every bug map even if in small amounts so it's not like a prepared or not type effect

[sinful bay]

And against bots, at least you see what is coming for you when the dropship drops them, bugs feels more random

[cobalt patrol]

That i'd like.

Tbh, i dont mind so much that bug breaches are a bit more scary and random

It adds to the OH SHIT THE HORDE

[stoic lotus]

bug breaches are super chill tbh I just stand in front of them with a flamethrower holding left click

[glacial light]

Yes most bugs just die to a shot anyways, I think one thing is that animations for bots are bipedal so you can notice when they stagger more cause gamers are used to bipedal enemy animations, bugs kind of just flinch which is harder to notice when they're already so jittery and they just slump or ragdoll on death so it's less of a difference for a quadruped to slump than it is for a bipedal character to fall to the ground. Me the armchair game dev

[sinful bay]

I need to try the M1+W pyro strat...

[glacial light]

Ironically with flamethrower you do not want to W at all or else you walk into your flames on the ground

Even shield pack won't save you from ground fire

[sinful bay]

oh, pain

[glacial light]

But it will save you from wind pushing the flamethrower towards you

Flamethrower+shield a good combo

[sinful bay]

Need that 95% fire resist. armor next

[stoic lotus]

yeah the flamethrower move is just M1 and standing perfectly still

fire resist armour would be pretty great actually

you could wade into a napalm strike and go nuts

[glacial light]

Yea it's sort of a defensive playstyles imo, you kind of either side step or move backwards from the enemy as they advance towards you is the most movement you're getting

[blissful sparrow]

flamethrower + jetpack to fly away when they get close

[glacial light]

Give me 115% resist pyromaniac armor, the fire heals you

Certified crpg strat

[sinful bay]

yeah I found jetpack against bugs is the 'OH SHIT' button to jump away when surrounded

[glacial light]

I can't get use to the jumpjet cause I keep trying to use it like a jetpack and fly my way around, brain won't accept it's a jumpjet, for jumping and jetting

[sinful bay]

if only the 95% explosion resist armor was real
Then we could all rocket jump

[quick crown]

I love shooting the mushrooms and flying 20 meters away lmao

The least effective form of speed but extremely satisfying

[fringe quiver]

someone should make a fake ad for helldivers

but it's in the style of those really dumb mobile game ads

[sinful bay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bja23a/patch_1000103/ they nerfed the meteors thank fuck

[glacial light]

Come play with me m'helldiver!

[quick crown]

It needs to be like, A shot of a helldiver trying and failing to input the console directions, The kind of ad that is made to make you mad at the video for messing up the "puzzle" style ones

[stoic lotus]

a helldiver who can't work out whether to drop 380mm on their teammate or a bug nest

[glacial light]

That's basically what a 380mm operator plays

Only 1% of Helldivers can complete this mission!
Match 3 game

[craggy lagoon]

Drop it on your teammates obv. It's well known the 380mm hits everything except for its marker

[glacial light]

This is just me trying to reinforce under pressure

Hellbomb with randomized inputs every time? Easy
Reinforce that has the exact same inputs every time? Give me like 3 tries

Fun challenge mode is sometimes my left arrow key doesn't work

[glad marsh]

Are we gonna do the "this game looks really cool in the ad but isn't the actual game" approach, or the weird cheating partner approach, or the uh..
Gosh.
How many of these are there?

[glad marsh]

Oh THIS

[glacial light]

Don't forget the zombie horde one

[glad marsh]

Oh yeah

There is also inexplicable text to speech violence

[glacial light]

I like to imagine there's Tik Tok esque versions of US TV medical ads but "cutting edge" weapons that need to be field tested asking Helldivers to ask their shipmaster if they can requisition what's being advertised

This weapon is in development and may cause hearing loss, loss of vision, loss of taste, mild injuries, major injuries, and user death

Ask your shipmaster if this weapon is right for you

[strange vine]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bj815n/welcome_to_the_creek/

[keen zinc]

we are <@&1206091872716595200> HELLING DIVERS

[strange vine]

someone has a cool faction idea:

A human enemy that is explicitly using Mass Produced Clones as their ground troops, with a weird punk rock/mad max theme. Maybe have the cloning project be an attempt by Super-Earth to generate even more cannon fodder, now gone horribly wrong. But, despite fitting every possible anarchist stereotype, they are consistently described as proponents of "UN-managed Democracy", which is treated as Anarchism in all but name.
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/the-only-thing-that-can-stop-the-bugs-is-a-strong-economy-helldivers.24429/post-30993035

[keen zinc]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/4141695629538335799?l=english

[dusty spruce]

Oh nice they say they've fixed the self-destructing exos

[glad marsh]

My weapon better be able to do all that

this is what's printed on every grenade

[glacial light]

Oh dang I thought they fixed that already I've been playing like it's been fixed and didn't blow myself up

[dusty spruce]

I've not had it happen to me once, so I think some people were just cursed with malfunctioning exosuits

[fringe quiver]

IIRC what was happening

Is the missiles were spawning inside the actual launcher barrel

So if you turned too fast, the missile would collide with the inside of the barrel and blow up

If that's the case it makes sense why it never happened to me because I always took time to aim

[glacial light]

I'm lucky ig cause I definitely turned a lot while missiling bug nests

[strange vine]

sometimes it happened if you were still

which was weird

[glacial light]

But I did often move counterclockwise while clearing

The meta mech strat is to be left handed

[alpine seal]

they're getting more common on fori prime. saw two nests in the span of five missions

[dusk agate]

os snap, we''re in d a n g e r

[dusty spruce]

Another interesting thing in those patch notes is "Exosuit retains its melee functionality, even when damaged." and the known issue of "Exosuits will sometimes be delivered in a damaged or broken state"
That may be why some people were just unable to ever do the mech stomp.

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> squad up, fori prime NEEDS us

[glad marsh]

Aye, diver!
I'll be there in a few!

[stoic lotus]

aight I'll get on in a minute

[keen zinc]

current fashion

gonna run he nades instead of impacts

[dusty spruce]

god I can't unsee in that helmet now

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/dabarioo-swouse-chigga-swouse-house-beegnyss-gif-18898591

47537093

[vestal trail]

Remember everyone, you can pop 3 bug holes with 2 EATs!

[glacial light]

What if your drop pod gets lost in the nest hole

[glad marsh]

<@&1206091872716595200> we wanna get another squad going?

[glacial light]

I am sadgely at work living vicariously through this thread

[forest crater]

I just

Managed to get more than 100% accuracy

And hit more shots than I fired

[glad marsh]

incredible effeciency

[forest crater]

Since when was the Ushabti in Helldivers?

[fringe quiver]

Sounds like shotguns

[glacial light]

I'm guessing it's the payday shotgun accuracy

[forest crater]

I use the Punisher, yes

[glacial light]

If you hit multiple enemies with one trigger pull with a shotgun it counts as 2 or more

[forest crater]

Fun

[glacial light]

There's no way I have more than a 65% accuracy and yet I get like nearly 80 or 90 with breaker

It does make me feel good though

When it's bug I also like having mechs to have like 3000 rounds fired and like 2000 hits from the insane volume of fire

It doesn't indicate anything about my contribution or skill but more dakka

1000 rounds of pure suppressive fire against the bugs

[merry cosmos]

I think helldivers would benefit from a corporation or clan system of sorts

[glad marsh]

allegedly there are leaks for such a system

[meager sandal]

A battalion system that just prioritizes sos beacons for people in the same one would be nice, they already do that for people on you're friend list I'm pretty sure

[junior badge]

yes 😄

[merry cosmos]

I would need more than that

I want battalion orders

[steady bone]

only if the orders ar ejust to help clear a planet and nothing else.

[blissful sparrow]

Buy me a Pizza battalion order

[merry cosmos]

the super credits needed will be left on the patriotic administration center

Also. I genuinely hope helldivers gets an Xbox port

They deserve it

[oak crow]

plus that’s a massive amount of new players for the war

[glacial light]

Can't wait for the Helldivers mobile for the massive influx of players

[rare nymph]

Is there a place you can throw grenades to take out shrieker nests? I couldn’t find any in between getting harassed by shriekers and killed by my own team

[forest crater]

Speaking of shriekers, what difficulties do they spawn on?

[rare nymph]

I saw a nest on 7

[strange vine]

just throw em at the structure it seem, like spore towers. They have a ton of health though, apparently 2 rockets to kill

[rare nymph]

Okay I was shooting them with an AC but I thought I was doing it wrong lol

[forest crater]

Yeah the lowest I've seen so far is 7, but then again that's the only one I've seen so far

[glacial light]

How does the new nest work? Does it just spawn the flyers in a huge aggro range?

And you just blow it up to stop it?

[rare nymph]

Yeah, it’s similar to stalker nests

[honest acorn]

I’ve yet to see “shriekers” I’m not convinced they aren’t an anti-democratic conspiracy

[rare nymph]

Well they sure are anti-democratic

[dusty spruce]

Shriekers don't have quite the same range as stalkers, from what I know. BUt they will swarm you once you aggro them

and their nests are a bit more visible

[rare nymph]

I was getting my ass kicked, though part of that is probably that I’m on vacation and using a laptop to play at a lower performance than usual

[glacial light]

So can you hurt the shriker towers with primaries?

[rare nymph]

They seem to have armor

So probably not with much success

[forest crater]

I don't even have difficulties 7-9 unlocked yet so if they only spawn on those then I technically would have to take y'all's word for it, but I've already seen them in images so....yeah.

[honest acorn]

I just did a whole bug helldive and didn’t see any

Though we did get 3 stalker lairs on 1 map

[alpine seal]

both encounters i've had were on 7 as well

[glacial light]

Maybe they're a mid level diff thing

[alpine seal]

now correlation doesn't assume causation since we're likely playing 7+ regularly, but it's possible

[glacial light]

Like I tried a helldive automaton op and no annihilator tanks spawned for the person order until we dropped to diff 7

Only shredder tanks

[alpine seal]

now that i have almost all the pink samples i need for current upgrades i might drop down to around 5 because it's more relaxing

allows me to try some different weapons than the shotguns for once

[forest crater]

I've been playing on Medium lately to farm common samples

(and super credits)

[glacial light]

I need to drop diff for common sample but 7 is a sweet spot for a VC squad for me, 6 with randos no mic

And I'm reaching max requisitions now I've unlocked everything so I can afford to not get a huge payout. I can now have fun and enjoy myself but will I after all this time

[alpine seal]

my main gate is rare samples at the moment, which seems to be an unusual problem from what other people are saying

only two upgrades i'm missing are hellpod steering and "instant" deployment, both of which are purported to do not much at all

[forest crater]

I had like 100+ rare samples and only a couple common samples not too long ago

[glacial light]

Same I think I have 180 rare but less than 10 common samples

[forest crater]

Mhm

I was playing on hard before I switched to medium

[blissful sparrow]

400, 220, 0 😔 and i need a couple of super rares

[alpine seal]

223, 27, 7 on my end

mightve been because all my friends have the opposite problem and skimp on rares

[forest crater]

Considering I haven't unlocked 7 yet(I haven't tried to do 6) I don't have super samples at all

[glacial light]

Really the only last level upgrade I had my eyes on was the eagle one

Cause eagles are goated and it makes eagle more goated

[alpine seal]

3 airstrikes 2 500s is insane

[glacial light]

Consider 5 clusters each rearm

500kg goes from ok, railcannon better to good with 2 500kg

Its a heavy clear that's kind of hard to use due to the delay and small effect range

[forest crater]

I think I'm gonna max Eagle first

It's the first one I put two ranks in

So I might as well make it the first one I max too

[alpine seal]

cluster bomb is also pretty good yeah

[blissful sparrow]

i'm just happy about the third eagle airstrike

[glacial light]

If they ever add 4th level upgrades I'd want one for eagle that's like "expanded fuel tanks: eagle 1 does not leave with the super destroyer but cannot rearm"

[blissful sparrow]

can clear out like half the map with 3 in a row

[alpine seal]

i don't usually run it because it feels like whenever i see that marker on the battlefield i or another member of the team becomes a skull icon soon after, but that's the price you pay with randoms

[glacial light]

On bot exterminates, 5 clusters can easily rack up 80 kills with little effort and works if you die often

[alpine seal]

though it being able to kill bug buildings probably makes it better on that front

[glacial light]

I've come to accept cluster is best ad clear spam for both enemies and friendlies

Safety is optional

Super OSHA doesn't exist

[alpine seal]

with the chair they put eagle 1 in thats not surprising

[glacial light]

Filling a cockpit with a breathable liquid is not fun

[forest crater]

"Super OSHA"

[glacial light]

Cause tw ||it feels like drowning Everytime you have to fill or flush your lungs of the liquid for like a solid few minutes and you feel like you're breathing liquid gravy but never getting a refreshing breath||

[orchid pulsar]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone wanna join me?

[stoic lotus]

did 3 diff 7 bug missions this evening and no shriekers

I'm with cyan I think they must be a conspiracy to undermine the morale of our brave and heroic SEAF troops

[oblique storm]

I HAVE BEEN DECRAPITATED BY SHRIEKERS

[glacial light]

Must have been the wind

[stoic lotus]

lmao

did you guys just hear something

[glacial light]

If you got decapitated by a shrieker why didn't you file a new contact report detailing the incident and potential new enemy?

[oblique storm]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[glacial light]

How undemocratic

[oblique storm]

AAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGH

[jolly mortar]

that screaming isn't very liberated of you, helldiver

[stark ether]

o is it screaming time

[sinful bay]

He's just calling in the new stratagem

[glacial light]

voice activated stratagems

[stoic lotus]

I have heard of people doing that actually

[glacial light]

"UP ARROW RIGHT ARROW DOWN ARROW DOWN ARROW DOWN ARROW"

[stoic lotus]

didn't want to do the ddr so set up voice macros

for like "call in guard dog"

[keen zinc]

Voy doesn't helldive

He heckjumps

[sinful bay]

You fools
I meant the NEW stratagem

[glacial light]

Seems simple enough you just ha e to press the "AHHHHHHHHHH...." Button

[sinful bay]

Or scream it

[honest acorn]

Oh ok

Holding down the trigger of a machine gun

[glacial light]

New stratagem idea is the dancing devil barrage that fires at enemies while you hold down the stratagem to play patriotic music but the moment you stop it becomes a 380mm centered on your position until you die

[stoic lotus]

oh shit sly marbo

I heard he suplexed a bile titan into another bile titan with both arms tied behind his back

[glacial light]

If only I had that tik tok of someone blowing up a charger and sending it's corpse into a bile Titan to kill it

[jolly mortar]

a sly marbo stratagem would be an instant win button

[stoic lotus]

we had some really impressive charger catapults today

[rich marlin]

April fools day joke idea:

Everyone, everywhere, gets free mortars

[jolly mortar]

I heard sly marbo closed a bug hole by power-bombing a charger into it.

[stoic lotus]

I shot one in the butt with a grenade launcher and it catapulted sideways so hard it wiped out a brood commander

and another one got shot directly upwards into space

[glacial light]

Everyone gets a free Tesla tower that deploys immediately. But it deploys at random on your location

[stoic lotus]

I would say "maybe they somehow changed the ragdoll physics in the patch" but that mission had like 8 chargers on the field at once so there was just a high probability that some of them would be weird

[rich marlin]

This is how they travel from planet to planet.

The ridiculous ragdolls

[stoic lotus]

it was an incredibly intense bug 7

[tall nova]

I think what makes HD2 so good is how its basically a comedy game

Everyone's playing normally until a fight gets a little tricky, then someone calls down a stratagem a bit too close and now you're ragdolling halfway across the map

I love danger close

[stoic lotus]

I don't get much value out of "haha silly ragdoll" but it's kinda fun when it happens

[rich marlin]

That’s the charm of Helldivers 2

[stoic lotus]

seeing a charger go to space keeps the tone light

[rich marlin]

It’s a cool game

But it’s better with friends

[stoic lotus]

but I'm not remotely playing the game for the friendly fire incidents and getting tossed around and stuff

[rich marlin]

Either to make it easier, or make it sillier

[stoic lotus]

it's a compelling horde shooter with good mechanics

[tall nova]

It's less the ragdolling itself and more the chaos that quickly ensues from playing with friends

[rich marlin]

Like that time I was playing with someone on here, they reenforced me and said ‘hey a hell bomb’

And as I emerged from my dropped looking for it. It’s right there, to my left, with the other person having lit it up

Absolute chicanery

[meager saffron]

you think this is bad, he's done worse

[wind arrow]

reminds me of a clip

[rich marlin]

It wasn't on purpose but the comedic timing was amazing

[wind arrow]

i am starting to turn around to liking the clip feature

[tall nova]

Lmao

[wind arrow]

not featured, "wait i need to try something out" before the "unhuh, i don't know if that's a good idea" due to the other party opted out from their voice being recorded

[granite rivet]

Exosuit no longer destroys itself when firing a missile while turning .

Worst change ever, mech was working as intended ™️

[autumn plover]

lol

[rare nymph]

Each shrieker tower can be killed with 10 AC shots

[granite rivet]

let me find the gif real quick

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565

[merry cosmos]

Heavy armor should reduce stagger and protect from headshots

[blissful sparrow]

i will say: having a stalker and a shrieker nest right next to each other is spicy

also having a stalker smashed by a hellbomb is entertaining

[glacial light]

10 AC shots?! Damn

I'm gonna have to empty my GL

Or if stratagem it

[stoic lotus]

five-hundred kilogram bomb

[quick plinth]

10??

it cant be 10??

ive killed them with less

[merry cosmos]

Mag dump

[stoic lotus]

can you EAT them

[glacial light]

New update for spicier bugs, if a stalker and shrieker nest spawn on the same map then they will have a 3rd nest that spawns flying stalkers

[rare nymph]

In fairness, this was from long range

Not sure if falloff is a thing

[glacial light]

Do guns besides shotguns have damage falloff?

[wind arrow]

oh shotguns do?

[rare nymph]

I don’t think so, but I’m not really sure

[glacial light]

Yea I believe shotguns do even slugger

I could easily be wrong

Could easily be just pellet spread

But slugger only shoots a single slug

[rare nymph]

(This was in reply to Sevens, btw)

[blissful sparrow]

also as a note: anyone else found that you should NOT shoot a shrieker if its already diving at you?

if i let them take a swing at me it oes a decent chunk of damage

[rare nymph]

I found that

Got instakilled

[blissful sparrow]

but if i shoot it and its corpse hits me i instantly die

[quick crown]

lmao thats hilarious tbr

"HAHA GOT YOU, YOU SO-" Splat

[quick plinth]

it's also probably not intented to get splatted by physics like that

[granite rivet]

no but its funny

[oblique storm]

Getting pubbies to actually do the objective is so fucking hard

[quick plinth]

I feel like a mad wizard trying to herd cats when playing with clueless pubs

[glacial light]

Yea I think too much pubs are basically carried by 1 or 2 people that like actually move towards objectives and they happen to move with them in a useful direction

[quick plinth]

I will drag you kicking and screaming to victory

[blissful sparrow]

if you sit on the other map and keep fighting i'll just do the objective real quick bymself

[quick plinth]

its sometimes not even possible to do that

especially now with the bug flyers in place

[glacial light]

Helldivers isn't like, I'd say "intuitive" to most gamers since most games that do horde shooting gives you breaks then you move on in a lull and rewards for clearing the horde but in HD2 it's worthless to kill patrols except for fun, and detriment to do so at 8+

[stoic lotus]

yeah you have to work to maintain tempo

also shout out to the new bug planet it's pretty neat

[rare nymph]

Gotta know when to dodge a patrol and when to get the drop on them before they aggro anyway

[blissful sparrow]

the map with the wall is kinda annoying tho

[stoic lotus]

apart from the pools of water getting me killed like 3 times but I respect a stinky puddle

[glacial light]

I dislike maps that are like more than 30% water

[stoic lotus]

I think I'm mostly just impressed that its vibes feel unique

they are doing a good job with the planets

[azure pewter]

Hope we get planets with more than one environment type

[glacial light]

Planets can have more than one climate? Wild

Imagine if that was possible irl

[azure pewter]

Yea kinda a pet peeve

[quick plinth]

Scifi - planet of the hats

name a more iconic duo

[sinful bay]

100%

[modest fiber]

eh just call the hellbomb, simple as

[glacial light]

Shrieker towers get hellbombs?

What bugs does the spear lockon to and what structures

If any structures

[sinful bay]

Hellbomb the survace of the planet
ezz

[modest fiber]

yes

[glacial light]

That's wild

[modest fiber]

<@&1206091872716595200> am once again requesting for more dudes

[glacial light]

380mm(mega million) orbital barrage

Oh no I have committed ping sin

[sinful bay]

yes do ping me otherwise I will miss your message

[glacial light]

What if I want you to miss my message, it was an inverse ping. Let everyone know but the pingee

[forest crater]

Can relate

[sinful bay]

Well what else can I say if not
Northwest
east
far

[glacial light]

No I put it in my head for some reason that its impolite to loud ping someone that's already in a conversation

I reserve it for if they're likely gone from the conversation, even then i do a silent loud ping

[sinful bay]

That's fair
But for me, consider:
Severe ADHD

[wind arrow]

https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedLazyUdonCeilingCat-mDNKJHS86nSYOVI9

[barren iron]

I never understood that... if you're in the conversation then the ping isn't a bother...

[glacial light]

I never understood it but its in my brain

You can't take it out

[barren iron]

yeah no it's for me too

I will ping people if I really want them to see it though

I will absolutely miss replies to my own messages if they aren't bright orange

[glacial light]

Does off pings highlight replies?

[sinful bay]

in my mind I only don't ping devs or ADMs of the server, or people thjat asked me not to ping them

[glacial light]

For how much unfiltered nonsense I throw out on discord I don't actually like bringing attention to myself, I am very selective of who I want to be interacting with at all times

[blissful sparrow]

yes, the shrieker nest is on a bit of a platform, with a spiraling path up and then there is a little pool at the top surrounded by the shrieker towers and you can clal in a hellbomb in there

[glacial light]

Does a 500kg also work

[honest acorn]

no

[glacial light]

Walking up a spiral path sounds like work

[rare nymph]

Yeah, but it might not get all of them

[blissful sparrow]

it didn't for me when i tried earlier, but i was in an absolute panic and didn't see if i hit

[rare nymph]

I’ve taken one out with a 500kg, and the other two with an airstrike

[blissful sparrow]

and its about equal to the one Extraction point thats on top of the rocks, but not the one with the T intersection and the cliffs going above the platform

[rare nymph]

An HE barrage might be effective against shrieker nests

Have yet to test that tho

[glacial light]

Other 2? So it's like multiple shrieker holes per shriker tower?

[rare nymph]

There’s like three towers in each location

So in order to clear the nest, you have to destroy all three

Though the exact number of towers might vary like in stalker lairs

[blissful sparrow]

its basically the Spore tower asset copied 3 times as a little bouquet of bird nests

like maybe 5 meters apart from each other

[modest fiber]

i think its neat

[blissful sparrow]

it does actually look really pretty and creepy if you are up between the stalks!

and i did have that funny interaction earlier today where i called in the hellbomb for it and it smashed a Stalker to bits that was following me up 😄

[glad marsh]

Oh, are shreiker nests actually spawning regularly now?

Or are they still rather rare?

[blissful sparrow]

i only did 1 mission and had one in there, crashed constantly so didn't try to play more yet

Difficulty 7

[quick plinth]

they are a secondary objective like any other

so I would assume as common as stalker nests

sometimes 3 on a map sometimes none

[oblique storm]

hey btw

why are stalkers spawning like 500% more out of nests

[stark ether]

https://fxtwitter.com/Helldivers2HQ/status/1770542325930000507

[stone bridge]

Hellmire....yaaaay...

[jolly mortar]

Hellmire, yay!

[stoic lotus]

woo hellmire

[honest acorn]

Hellmire is so cool ||to watch from orbit that place is the devil's anus||

[stoic lotus]

I love fighting for super earth and defending managed democracy against the fascist bug hordes

[jolly mortar]

unironically love playing hellmire

is something wrong with me? yes but that's besides the point

[blissful sparrow]

Hellmire is great to play on, because all the tight rock corridors mean you can't have hunters circle strafe you

[barren iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805880814813970433/1220124810118430920/v12044gd0000cnt7on7og65o98vqrfq0.mov?ex=660dccc7&is=65fb57c7&hm=dac1a0a68f2feac962aed6ee5d6df6b9a16e3436e661806554ef9019c2015cd7&

[stark ether]

til the fire tornado shows up

[jolly mortar]

especially when the fire tornado shows up

[barren iron]

did a hellmire civilian evac mission

dont do it

it's not worth it

[blissful sparrow]

i'm in light armor, i can run faster than the tornados

[jolly mortar]

the tornados are slow i just walk around them lmao

[blissful sparrow]

tho it does get a bit spicy if an objective is covered in like 8 fire tornados

[jolly mortar]

makes things more interesting

who's going to make it out: you or the bugs? who knows! run for your lives!

[glacial light]

These are the illegal broadcasts we need to terminate

[jolly mortar]

not a big fan of the government

[barren iron]

30 on 30

[glacial light]

I am at the docspital for not bad reasons but I am wishing the jumpjet worked like battlefront 2 jumpjets

Give us a fuel tank and let us drain it to long jump

[honest acorn]

I miss the HD1 jump packs

But they'd be so broken in 2

[forest crater]

I wonder if the stamina enhancement booster negates the hot environment effect or if one is more of a stat change than the other?

[meager saffron]

I think stamina wins but very barely

don't quote me

[forest crater]

I can't tell myself, because I have horrible judgement and can't tell the difference between something unless it legit wrote it out for me

[rare nymph]

Y’know, I’ve started to warm up to the muscle enhancement booster

[stone bridge]

Hot environment is an absurd stamina decrease - enhancement negates some of the effect, but even with it on, you're looking at a 25% decrease or so

[honest acorn]

https://fxtwitter.com/RubixRaptor/status/1770526830488863213?s=20

Oh wow it works

[honest acorn]

It makes a big difference on planets with bushes or ice

[stoic lotus]

incredible

[meager saffron]

hot enviro is just a truly miserable debuff

[stoic lotus]

I climbed up on top of someone's mech today for a bit

[rare nymph]

Also feels like it makes it a lot easier to climb out of bug nests

[stone bridge]

Hellmire lives up to its name

Just awful to fight on

[honest acorn]

Yeah its great

Do 1 (one) mission: "they weren't kidding, im mired in hell"

[stone bridge]

In other news, I think I've locked in Airburst as my general use 4th slot stratagem

Its just really useful on a short cooldown

[rare nymph]

I always consider taking it, but usually my standard load out is 500kg, airstrike, railcannon, and whatever support I’m feeling at the moment

[barren reef]

What's the recommended anti-charger strategy with the autocannon now? I used to try and finesse leg shots but I'm unsure it's worth it anymore.

[rare nymph]

Shoot the tail if you can, shoot the ground beneath it if you can’t

Or shoot any obvious breaks in the armor

[stone bridge]

If you have stuns unlocked, throw them down as it's charging toward you, dive past, and shoot 4-5 times into the abdomen to burst it

[barren reef]

Before the armor change the AOE damage was negligable, has that changed?

[rare nymph]

Not sure, but I’ve had decent success either shooting its underside or missing and hitting the ground beneath

[barren reef]

How many rounds do you end up using?

[rare nymph]

Hard to say, but if I run out it’s usually hurt enough to finish with an impact nade

Generally not counting shots when trying to dance with chargers

[barren reef]

Well I bring it up because finessed leg shots kill in 2, it matters when there are at least 3 chargers on you at any given time.

[stoic lotus]

what is a finessed leg shot when it's at home

[dusky solar]

They're definitely nerfing arc thrower

[barren reef]

dumping the entire magazine and praying?

[honest acorn]

Seems fine to me

Really powerful but also randomly kills helldivers

[dusky solar]

Last night, i did a 4-person lv9 bugs where we all ran the exact same loadout:
Personal shield / orbital rail / EAT / arc thrower
95% arc resist armor
Impact nades, slugger (primaries were all over the place actually), redeemer

It made diff 9 feel like diff 4

Chargers die instantly, and you have a staggering amount of AT for biles

Hordes are wiped in seconds, arc throwers from friends can clear bugs off of swarmed friendlies

[meager saffron]

one arc thrower is helpful, four arc throwers is comedic

[dusky solar]

It was hilarious

Massive overkill vs everything. If arc thrower doesn't get nerfed, that team comp will be good on higher diffs too

[meager saffron]

any unlimited ammo power weapon is always gonna be a bit sus

[dusky solar]

Yeah. In terms of killing power alone it's insane

Easily my favorite weapon rn

😂

[stone bridge]

They'll probably pull the damage back against big units

[meager saffron]

yeah I think that would be fair

[dusky solar]

Solo bug 9s it's indispensable

[meager saffron]

it's not spear/eat levels of solo fuckyouinparticular but it is kind of insane just how good it is against the majority of high level threats

especially bugs

[dusky solar]

Spear/EAT? What do you wave clear with? Just breaker?

[rare nymph]

Yeah, I’ve zapped down biles with one before

[meager saffron]

oh I should say '

single-target not for solo play

[dusky solar]

Ah gotcha

I was like "that is super spicy and i want the sauce"

Spear is my second favorite support weapon

Nothing like nuking objectives from 10000 miles

[meager saffron]

I think for bugs it's S-tier free, but against robots where there's return fire and significantly more risks to standing out in the open at relatively close range

it feels a bit more fair

[rare nymph]

Yeah

[meager saffron]

not that it isn't also good against robots, especially scout walkers

since you can get them to drop their pants

[dusky solar]

I love autocannon vs bots

[meager saffron]

but there are times against flame hulks running atcha or rocket devs that are out of reach

[dusky solar]

If you hit like, the top half of the front plate of a scout walker they die

[rare nymph]

I like using laser cannon on bots

[meager saffron]

where you just go

'man'

[stone bridge]

I like the Autocannon too much to ever give it up in my typical loadouts

[dusky solar]

I don't like it vs bugs but vs bots it's a perfect weapon

[meager saffron]

AC is always extremely extremely good in a team comp

[dusky solar]

The only things it doesn't kill from the front are tanks

[rare nymph]

Just shining my laser cannon flashlight on a hulk’s eyes for a bit

[meager saffron]

there are places where I find it's less good but I would never complain about it

physically disarming hulks etc

[stone bridge]

AC is great into bugs too, especially if Bile variants spawn in

[dusky solar]

It is! I just find arc thrower broken rn

[meager saffron]

oh yeah AC into biles is fucking incredible

boo womp gun

[rare nymph]

Real nice

[stone bridge]

The only thing it can't credibly deal with is Titans and oh well I have bombs and teammates for that

[meager saffron]

they go from expensive (if you bought impacts) and annoying threats to instantly trivial

since they're so fucking big and they fold to any hit in the gigantic soft spot

[rare nymph]

Saw the personal order today and was like “guess I’m taking AC lol”

[barren reef]

I'm always unsure where to hit biles with the AC. I glance off the face a lot and usually settle for the underside.

[stone bridge]

Nowhere

Well

You can hit the underside but honestly I just do not bother

Titans are the singular enemy in the game you can't credibly take out with an autocannon

[rare nymph]

I only AC titans if desperate

[stone bridge]

Since they have Armour: Yes

[rare nymph]

It’s easier if they have a bit of broken armor from a railcannon hit already

[stone bridge]

Mhm

[graceful bluff]

I wish they worked in bushes but they don't

[stone bridge]

I find if you want better anti armour capability with the AC, bringing EATS in your 4th slot is your best bet

[meager saffron]

yeah if you're vs bile titans just 500

or EAT yeah

the game's anti-armor options feel very nice nowadays with the buffed EAT/spear and reduced armor

[dusky solar]

Arc thrower is too good vs bile and nursing spewers too

[stone bridge]

You can stun a Titan and then onedeag it in the head with an EAT fairly trivially

[meager saffron]

and hordes are enough of a concern that I think the arc thrower nerf would also be very fair since it can still really shine against hordes

yeah arc thrower like one or two tapping them is kind of wild

it can be sort of difficult positioning-wise but if you're at a far range then it's like

completely free

[kindred lintel]

charger heads just received reduced hp

[meager saffron]

armor spawn rate got nerfed across the board I thought

[kindred lintel]

that too

but the RR and eat got marginal buffs

[meager saffron]

so EATs and spear look better since you don't have to kill 80000 armored units at once

[kindred lintel]

yea i remember bugs 9 when it was just chargers, bile spewers, and bile titans that spawned

[forest crater]

I sure hope they don't need arc thrower

It's too much fun for me

Wielding the power of Zeus/Thor

Though the patch that made arc thrower shots count towards shots fired/hit was unfortunate

It was funny seeing like, 23 or so shots hit but up to 200 kills

[meager saffron]

yeah lmao

it was so funny having like

a 2% accuracy

[stoic lotus]

I hit a new shots fired record today

[stone bridge]

I don't think they need to nerf the Arc Thrower much, but reigning in its capability vs big units keeps in line with Arrowhead's Railgun nerf

Since it is a backpackless weapon

[forest crater]

Yeah that makes sense

[stoic lotus]

I always measure my success based on how many shots I fired

more bullets = more democracy spread

[stone bridge]

Backpacks can be massive amps to damage, survivability or utility

It makes sense they're a balancing fulcrum

[forest crater]

I wonder how well shield generator works with AT

Because I've just been running Arc, Rover, Orb Laser, and Airstrike

[meager saffron]

opportunity cost 😌

personal shield? it's alright

[stoic lotus]

I am a personal shield convert

[meager saffron]

letting you get the shot off reliably against rocket counterfire is pretty useful

[stoic lotus]

never leave home without it

[forest crater]

Honestly

[azure pewter]

autocannon go clang clang clang clang cha chunk

[stone bridge]

Autocannon my beloved

[forest crater]

I wouldn't mind arc thrower becoming a backpack weapon

But like

I wanna have it be unique

[rare nymph]

I’d like more one-handed primaries so I have an excuse to use the ballistic shield more

[forest crater]

If it has the backpack, infinite ammo, goodie goodie

[honest acorn]

Someone on the discord was talking about a backpack battery which amped all of your energy based weapons and that sounds good to me

[forest crater]

No backpack? Finite ammo, BUT it recharges

[graceful bluff]

Honestly people are overhyping it against large units

[honest acorn]

Now personally, I'd make the arc thrower unsafe like the railgun and remove its backscatter protection

[graceful bluff]

you have to dodge several charges to kill a charger with it for example

[azure pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKOHKzhcTzY

[honest acorn]

Maximizes Fun per unit time

[graceful bluff]

and you have to make sure that this enemy that you very much cannot control well, isn't between you and friendlies

[rare nymph]

Not if you engage them at range

You can stun lock their charges until they die before the get to you

[honest acorn]

You can actually kill a charger in the time it takes to do 1 charge if it starts near max range and you're lucky/good at aiming

[forest crater]

Backscatter?

[graceful bluff]

If you're not at the difficulty knife fighting with chargers due to the amount of them I feel like any balance talk is out of the window anyway

[meager saffron]

there are cases where I think it can be very clunky (flame hulks) but the ginormous range is really fuckin wild

[honest acorn]

Arc thrower can't back-arc to the firer

It'd be a much more exciting weapon if it could

[graceful bluff]

no one talks about the flamethrower like this

[forest crater]

Oh that'd be hilarious

[azure pewter]

i think you should be able to fire it once and are reduced to a pillar of ash by the zappy

[meager saffron]

in fairness flamethrower can and does also kill you when flaming enemies bum-rush you

or if you hit the floor

[stone bridge]

😌

[graceful bluff]

and the arc thrower has massive teamkill potential what about it

[stone bridge]

The flamethrower also doesn't have infinite ammo and has around a third the effective range

[forest crater]

Can confirm, nearly died multiple times because I had too many arsonistic tendencies

[graceful bluff]

I have to constantly save teammates from themselves when they run infront of me while I've been shooting for the last like 10 seconds

[honest acorn]

The flamethrower can kill you if you fire it upwind

[meager saffron]

it's shockingly efficient at killing chargers like the arc thrower but killing yourself with no agency in the matter is a much more effective deterrent than occasionally killing teammates with some control over it

not a lot

[graceful bluff]

The arcthrower can bounce back to you fyi

[honest acorn]

I've never seen it happen

[meager saffron]

like you said unintentionally muzzle flashing people happens

so much

my god

[rare nymph]

Never seen it

[graceful bluff]

it happens rarely but it does happen

[meager saffron]

yeah I've ltg'd myself thanks to a teammate a couple times

extremely funny instant karma

[azure pewter]

the real question is when can i show up to bot factories like this

https://tenor.com/view/qiwimedia-house-tank-shoot-gif-2872119800321943051

[forest crater]

Imagine it can but if you're already charging another shot it instantly completes the charge

[meager saffron]

ultracoin

[kindred lintel]

tank aint got nothin on my boy the bike

[strange vine]

The defender smg was mentioned by one of the devs to have harsher falloff compared to the liberator ar

[meager saffron]

yeah, harsher damage falloff and bullet drop

there's fuckin aerodynamics in this game

[azure pewter]

well, gravity at least

[honest acorn]

I think everything except the scythe and dagger does

implying the dagger deals damage

[meager saffron]

there's enough aerodynamics to simulate the flamethrower just blowing back into your face