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#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!
oak crow
oak crow
punisher or the main SMG imo
undone veldt
I feel like if you’re using the ballistic shield you gotta use the defender
oak crow
cause the main smg can be used with the ballistic shield, and the punisher has the same "feel" to it that a warhammer or mace would have in a fantasy game
undone veldt
Or I guess the senator revolver for the big hits feel
oblique lotus
breaker incendiary
candid finch
Oh true, defender for the shield
I do like the senator revolver too
Bam bam
Honestly the Senator is one of the best weapons I found for dealing with stalkers
undone veldt
I wanna get it so bad but warbonds take so long to get
candid finch
It makes them freeze in place and rethink their life
It can take a bit but grabbin them in the base progression sure helps a lot.
And buddy doors don't always have them but having three rolls at what you get in there is great
keen zinc
The senator is my savior
candid finch
Honestly the little mac-10 is probably better, it sure as hell dumps ammo a lot faster, but the Senator's individual loading and stutter let me deal with four stalkers at once
undone veldt
Also it’s probably not good for use with the ballistic shield because it’s so much better for quickly swapping in between lasers cooling down but the dagger could be fun for the paladin build
candid finch
(two nests right next to each other. Fuck that spawn)
undone veldt
Go full lasers for the power of the sun
oblique lotus
I wish the dagger was closer to the tanto from last game
undone veldt
Is the dagger not good?
oblique lotus
it's half a scythe
and the scythe already had issues with DPS though they could be mitigated with good beam placement
candid finch
All lasers is pretty much a warlock build.
undone veldt
Why?
candid finch
Run hot and fast then go have a short rest to get it all back up
Also screaming "ELDRITCH BLAST!" when using the cannon
undone veldt
Ah of course
Also is there a good way to use the cannon?
I tried it but it just doesn’t feel like it kills things
At least not fast enough for support weapon
candid finch
It's decent against bots
You basically wave it over their head weak point and it'll keep pinging it and kill
It's just that it takes a bit compared to if you can aim real good with an AMR
undone veldt
Hmm alright
candid finch
They could do with a little buff, I won't disagree to that
undone veldt
I’ll probably try it again once I get the laser assault rifle in the tech warbond
For the full laser build 2
candid finch
Think of it like this, you don't need to aim if the hitbox for your attack is the size of their whole torso
undone veldt
Honestly that is a pretty good thing
candid finch
I've been trying out the Plas against bots
Which is useful, because it can hit walker enemies through the shield
just double tap the front and they fall
candid finch
The Plas is right at the bottom of the free unlocks, and it's a main weapon
undone veldt
Yah
candid finch
Wish it had a scope though
It feels like the DMR upgrade I wanted, where it's a few less shots but solves a couple of problems
honest acorn
Also is there a good way to use the cannon?
Same as the scythe but bigger - shear limbs off or focus weak spots
candid finch
But no scope
honest acorn
It’ll kill a hulk in a few seconds of fire into the eyehole
undone veldt
It feels like the DMR upgrade I wanted, where it's a few less shots but solves a...
Honestly wish the DMR was better but it just doesn’t feel good imo
undone veldt
It’ll kill a hulk in a few seconds of fire into the eyehole
Oh shit
I’ll definitely need to try it again then
merry cosmos
candid finch
I like the DMR, the counter-sniper is rough though
undone veldt
What’s the difference?
honest acorn
Counter sniper has the same slow tracking as the MG
rapid plover
IIRC the counter sniper is just scoped for longer ranges
candid finch
I haven't tried it lately but it was just so heavy and didn't pierce medium armour.
The difference is that the counter-sniper has more damage but has the slow tracking
undone veldt
Oh no
candid finch
Give it medium piercing and I'd be happy with it as something to use
oblique lotus
Also is there a good way to use the cannon?
crouch
candid finch
Both of these are kinda just pants against bugs though, much better against bots
oblique lotus
the laser doesn't have recoil and all of the sway is from movement, so it's best used from stationairy, ideally crouched or prone
you can torch hulks in a few seconds if you can consistently hit the head hitbox
undone veldt
crouch
I was more speaking in terms of like, role it serves
Like the EATs being anti heavy
The MG being best for anti medium enemies
Stuff like that
candid finch
Laser has a mix of being able to sweep across basic enemies like bugs pretty decently, and focus down mid devastators
oblique lotus
but because lots of things have medium armor weak spots it can kill heavy units as well
candid finch
Heavy armour is rough against it though, which means I struggle a lot against big bugs
oblique lotus
it rips spewers up too
honest acorn
It’s a shorter ranged AMR which can kill lots of small things more efficiently
In role
undone veldt
Ic Ic
oak crow
Honestly the Senator is one of the best weapons I found for dealing with stalker...
i feel like the machine pistol is just too good to drop
the raw dps on it is crazy
candid finch
I guess to think it's a weird combo of a flamethrower and an AMR
Oh I can entirely respect that, the machine pistol is terrifying
I love the senator's stutter though
undone veldt
i feel like the machine pistol is just too good to drop
It’s still wild to me that the basic 9mm is just the machine pistol with a lower fire rate and less capacity
oak crow
the starting pistol is so garbage
undone veldt
It sucks to because it looks so cool
oak crow
its wild that the starting rifle (Liberator) is so good, but that the starting pistol is just so... bad
undone veldt
I wanna use it
dusty spruce
I wish it was better, it felt a lot more dependable in the first game
oak crow
It sucks to because it looks so cool
absolutely
candid finch
As a weapon it's not the worst but it's just outclassed so quickly
the machine pistol is just there, wrecking shit
candid finch
They could half the damage of the machine pistol and it'd still be a monster
oak crow
As a weapon it's not the worst but it's just outclassed so quickly
what is worse?
candid finch
I don't have all the weapons yet, it was just a comment that it still functions as a weapon, it's just mediocre when machine pistol is just massive
oak crow
ah, gotcha
dusty spruce
I'd say the Deliverence Counter Sniper version is the worst gun in the game. Though I really only used it once, it felt so bad to use
candid finch
I was about to suggest some kind of no-damage stun pistol that acts like a little EMS but that actually sounds like it would be amazing
rich marlin
Drone Commander helmet looks great ngl
blissful sparrow
yes, insect boi is best drip in the game
dusty spruce
I was about to suggest some kind of no-damage stun pistol that acts like a littl...
I think the main danger of a no-damage stungun is that I wouldn't be able to resist the urge to taze my fellow helldivers
blissful sparrow
I think the main danger of a no-damage stungun is that I wouldn't be able to res...
i was already sold on it, you don't have to keep hyping it up
candid finch
Oh boy free griefing
blissful sparrow
Stun a buddy next to a hellbomb 😌
honest acorn
I think the master griefing weapon is the blitzer
Only does about 2/3rds of a helldivers health in damage but makes them ragdoll like a sack of potatoes
rich marlin
Two missions isn’t much of a sample size, but it feels like they nerfed the POI density in Trivials
dusty spruce
I noticed it when fighting the bots yesterday as well. 7s didn't have that many hulks running about
tanks were a rarer threat as opposed to having an armored column drop down every time someone rang the alarm
glacial light
Laser sword and a energy buckler so you can parry projectiles back with good timing
candid finch
They lowered the chance of running into three hulks at once and made it so railguns no longer delete all threats
idle hollow
I noticed it when fighting the bots yesterday as well. 7s didn't have that many ...
8s however
8s…
candid finch
if you're running 8's and 9's you get what you deserve
People eating surstromming shouldn't complain about the smell
idle hollow
I play 8s to weed out the stupid people
7s have too many people who are under levelled for them
candid finch
that's why I play on 7's I'm one of the stupids
stoic lotus
found an AMR mid bot mission and picked it up since I wasn't enjoying the railgun very much
I am a convert
it's actually really useful
candid finch
The AMR is great
dusty spruce
It's an excellent middle ground.
Handles things well and has enough ammo that using it to just quickly clear adds doesn't feel like a waste
but can put hulks down really well too
glacial light
I noticed it when fighting the bots yesterday as well. 7s didn't have that many ...
Yea infound running the usual double anti heavy I run used to constantly be on CD and I'd still see a few heavies but now I usually have a anti heavy stratagems or 2 active
candid finch
From what I can tell (It might have been a bug) you can fire as fast as you can press the trigger with the AMR. And I obliterated a hulk with panic fire while it tried to flame me.
stoic lotus
I run shield pack to compensate for the ultralight armour so having something that can easily get bot weakpoints which doesn't take a backpack slot is really nice
quick crown
AMR+Sheild is my go to for bots
It has a short enough cool down and you get 3 magazines for a ammo pickup IIRC
might be 2
idr
hexed steeple
I'd say the Deliverence Counter Sniper version is the worst gun in the game. Tho...
what's it even counter? sniper?
candid finch
It's weird to me because it honestly doesn't have enough difference from the DMR for me to use the counter sniper
Medium armour piercing would make it so much more worth it
stoic lotus
why does the liberator penetrator go through medium armour and the dedicated dmr not
dusty spruce
what's it even counter? sniper?
It may finally have a good use once our squidy friends finally show up properly
quick plinth
why does the liberator penetrator go through medium armour and the dedicated dmr...
the DMR still deals with medium enemies in 2 hits though?
2 to 3*
the ones that have the armor anyway
stoic lotus
it just seems strange that the option for an armour penetrating primary is a 5.56 rifle
quick crown
I was about to ask if superearth would use metric but the game measures distance in meters so the answer is yes
fringe quiver
depends
quick crown
Damn thats 1 win for managed democracy.
shy prairie
Democracy is a baked good
stoic lotus
baked in the fires of liberty and suffrage
dusty spruce
it just seems strange that the option for an armour penetrating primary is a 5.5...
Honestly the slugger is better for medium armor than even the Penlib imo
It claims to be only light armor penetrating but it kills Devs and Hive Guards just fine
stoic lotus
yeah or the slugger
honest acorn
it just seems strange that the option for an armour penetrating primary is a 5.5...
There’s also the dominator
honest acorn
It’s probably the rarest weapon yeah
naive dragon
I will not stop using sickle
quick plinth
it doesn't help that people keep saying that the dominator just aint worth it
alpine seal
the slugger is the clandestine superior weapon for medium armor, light armor was a printing mistake or something
honestly the dominator isn't even that bad, absolutely not a bug weapon but for bot purposes it's... fine
handling really brings it down though
stoic lotus
I will not stop using sickle
🤝
honest acorn
I think it’s pretty good vs bugs actually
undone veldt
honest acorn
Takes out bigger bugs well and has a pretty good ammo economy for the rest
Really needs to actually explode though
quick plinth
the sickle for most people, is just a straight upgrade to the liberator
undone veldt
There’s also the dominator
Is that the Bolter?
alpine seal
i feel for bugs i need something snappy for the hunter matchup and explosive weapons like the scorcher and plasmisher keep betraying me
though i'll admit kind of a skill issue on my end
honest acorn
The dominator isn’t actually explosive it’s miscategorized
alpine seal
all visual?
alpine seal
messed up
honest acorn
It doesn’t actually make explosions most of the time
But it has a fast fire rate and medium armor pen
stark ether
i think its supposed to have the weakspot multiplier from being explosive but not have aoe
rapid plover
it should let it deal full damage to explosive weakspots yeah
honest acorn
That’d be good yea
cobalt patrol
7s have too many people who are under levelled for them
I've been noticing that recently, it's frustrating
ionic holly
Yeah explosive doesnt mean aoe explosive for primaries, its just that it does full damage to shit like charger abdomens
its why the plasma punisher actually fucks em up
honest acorn
I think 7s can be done at pretty low levels tbh
Especially now that heavyspam is easier to handle
naive dragon
I've been noticing that recently, it's frustrating
Everyone wants to be "not on easy" and 7 feels like "good but not tryhard" if you don't know the mechanics and your limits
idle hollow
I've been noticing that recently, it's frustrating
yeah it sucks
im just opting to kick people who arent above 20
cobalt patrol
I really like sevens when i'm tooling around with friends
idle hollow
no more level 12s and 15s
seven is like
the best difficutly
not too hard to be painful
honest acorn
That’s dumb imo
idle hollow
and you get super samples
naive dragon
I like my 4-6 range for now
stoic lotus
I can fairly comfortably do 7s with the right pnet people but you guys are all like level 40+
honest acorn
You only need like level 5-7 to handle 7
quick plinth
ive seen 10s and 5s dragged into 9s
stoic lotus
for solo I do 4s
stoic lotus
You only need like level 5-7 to handle 7
there's also the experience component of how much they've played the game tho, it's not all about gear
idle hollow
ive seen 10s and 5s dragged into 9s
and did they pull their weight or not
stoic lotus
although I don't play with randoms at all so I have no opinions on having them in games
quick plinth
generally they acted like fodder
idle hollow
so they were dead weight then
honest acorn
there's also the experience component of how much they've played the game tho, i...
Sure but that’s not really connected to level
quick plinth
constantly drawing attention while I could do everything elsewhere
naive dragon
I got no problem with low levels so much as like
Behaviors
And I see them all over the level scale
idle hollow
i have no problem with low levels when they're on the difficulties where they can do something
stoic lotus
Sure but that’s not really connected to level
I mean, the more you play the game, the higher level you are, at level 20 I definitely know what I'm doing way more than I did at level 5
idle hollow
but on level 7s i need something more than light armour and a liberator
stoic lotus
light armour and a liberator is fine, they can bring eagle airstrike and EATs
idle hollow
but they dont
stoic lotus
I don't think it's really a gear problem
idle hollow
gear is part of the issue
stoic lotus
it's an experience problem because you can't really expect to just jump into the high difficulty chaos matches while new to the game
blissful sparrow
Yeah explosive doesnt mean aoe explosive for primaries, its just that it does fu...
its also why the Orbital Airburst is funny vs Hulks
cause their Weakspot is up top and it is classified as explosive damage, so if you can make them face outwards, they get shredded by an anti infantry tool
idle hollow
the main issue is if they suffer from skill issues regularly
quick plinth
the problem I have with low levels in high difficulties is that they generally do not pull their weight
they are at best, bot drop magnets allowing me to storm sub and main objectives loudly
honest acorn
light armour and a liberator is fine, they can bring eagle airstrike and EATs
Hence level 5 (the unlock level for EATs iirc)
stoic lotus
yeah I agree with you that it's not a hard level cap based on gear
like if someone who had played the game enough to be comfortable doing 9s was doing some kind of NG+ or smurf account or something they would be able to complete them at a low character level
honest acorn
Tbh I’m just generally opposed to weird lobby tyrants like that
I’ll just leave immediately if I get a whiff of that
I ran into some the other day with some kind of weird “voting for strategy” shtick in the ship
stoic lotus
yeah I agree that getting lost in the sauce about "dead weight", even if it's empirically true that that player isn't going to contribute as much as someone higher level, is really not good for anyone involved
stoic lotus
I ran into some the other day with some kind of weird “voting for strategy” shti...
I am intrigued by whatever this could mean
glacial light
A lot of the good stuff that let's you carry your weight is unlocked pretty early on by like 5 or 10
honest acorn
I don’t know I left before their finished their spiel
honest acorn
im just opting to kick people who arent above 20
Also sorry Alex if I come off as going after you - I’m going after this
glacial light
Love how HD 2 front loads a lot of top tier useful stuff
honest acorn
Yeah now that the railgun’s been nerfed there’s really only “luxury” picks at high level now imo
stoic lotus
Also sorry Alex if I come off as going after you - I’m going after this
yeah I know dw and I pretty much agree with you, we just disagreed on the details of why a low level player might not be able to help as much which is a moot point anyway
honest acorn
I do really like the luxury of the shield generator
quick plinth
huh.. weird.. I verified my files and the framedrops are gone when scoping in
@junior badge thought you mighta wanted to know (sorry for ping if not)
honest acorn
yeah I know dw and I pretty much agree with you, we just disagreed on the detail...
Yeah I agree I think they probably will - I just don’t think that should be a summary kick in pubs
glacial light
Most high level stuff is like specific niche stuff, although shield pack and mechs are my highest level gear picks usually
stoic lotus
the shield gen is lovely because I can run speedy boi chucking armour and not die when breathed on
junior badge
huh.. weird.. I verified my files and the framedrops are gone when scoping in
...
Huh. Guess it was an issue of a zoomed-in texture not being properly present?
honest acorn
I find it really hard to surrender the shield generator vs bugs
It’s so nice for random silent chargers or hunter slows
stoic lotus
the ability to keep running and shooting and stuff instead of getting knocked around and having to stim is so valuable
glacial light
Yea also not immediately dying to a bile that grazed your leg
quick plinth
Huh. Guess it was an issue of a zoomed-in texture not being properly present?
just as I say that, I tab back in and the game is dropping frames like crazy
stoic lotus
it's maybe an alt+tab thing
cobalt patrol
the ability to keep running and shooting and stuff instead of getting knocked ar...
Cut to penguin screaming AHAHAHA KILL THEM ALL
autumn plover
gonna ask this again for the day crowd. does anyone know if the weird bugs with setting aim as a toggle have been fixed?
honest acorn
Alt tab sometimes makes games lose their shit
cobalt patrol
Alt tab sometimes makes games lose their shit
Borderless windowed is the light if your computer can handle it
honest acorn
gonna ask this again for the day crowd. does anyone know if the weird bugs with ...
You might need to be more descriptive I don’t know what bug you mean
junior badge
gonna ask this again for the day crowd. does anyone know if the weird bugs with ...
Wish I could help, but I don't use the setting and haven't heard anything either.
autumn plover
You might need to be more descriptive I don’t know what bug you mean
at launch basically if you set things to toggle it wouldnt let you go first person
is the tldr of the bug
which sorta makes it painful with my shoulder to play for extended sessions
quick plinth
it's maybe an alt+tab thing
ill try fullscreneing the game- despite the potential difficulties
autumn plover
junior badge
I can probably test that out for you in a bit.
autumn plover
cheers
i may be able to do it on my end as well
i just know that was one of the sorta big frustrations i had with the game at launch
like its ultimately a niche thing i know but it helps keep my shoulder from feeling like its gonna explode lol
stray tide
autumn plover
wait is this model of mech specifically a different color or is this them teasing being able to color the mech?
stoic lotus
are you using the middle click camera toggle thing
stray tide
I think this model of mech is specifically a different color but it could also be that
stoic lotus
helldivers alerts isn't an official account and that mech has different armament to the current one
naive dragon
I hope new mech is yellow but if they do mech paint mine will be yellow
stray tide
Vehicle customization has been potentially datamined but it’s unclear how player facing its meant to be
naive dragon
Yellow for more dakka as is tradition
autumn plover
helldivers alerts isn't an official account and that mech has different armament...
i mean i know. but like i dont feel a different model needs a different paint job perse lol
stray tide
Tbh I kinda like the way this games community has found stuff coming down the pipeline, feels like a cool like
Rumor mill thing
blissful sparrow
ThumpThumpThumpThump
stray tide
And it helps build hype
keen zinc
Helldivers Alerts is a content thief who reposts people's stuff without credit
blissful sparrow
considering how everything in this game sofar is basically just a remake of HD1, i'm looking forward to the Flamethrower + Anti Tank cannon mech
stray tide
Helldivers Alerts is a content thief who reposts people's stuff without credit
Unfortunate but I don’t know where this came from and it’s gameplay of a leak regardless
So Imma keep it up
honest acorn
Tbh I kinda like the way this games community has found stuff coming down the pi...
I think it’s intentional
naive dragon
Playing HD2 is making me wanna try my hand at the thing I was building a while back and abandoned
honest acorn
Or arrowhead the the leakiest fucking company
stoic lotus
I think arrowhead have just got a very good idea of how to engage a community
naive dragon
I think arrowhead knows leaks are more fun than regular content adverts
stray tide
Yeah
stark ether
ehhh could be they werent expecting to have enough interest/community size for datamining to be a reall issue and havent gotten around to blocking it yet
naive dragon
Leaks and rumors generate engagement because there's fun in trying to get a bigger picture
stray tide
I mean iirc for all it’s issues the EAC stuff makes dataminjng harder
Idk how much of this stuff comes from data mining
If they didn’t intend it to be leaked tho they probably wouldn’t keep pushing new stuff into the current versions of the game
Compared to like making an internal beta branch
stark ether
some of the stuff i think is put if for the gm to beable to do events with
like how the mechs were tied to the planet liberation and were seamless with no patch
stray tide
Fair yeah
I still think for some of the stuff that’s been leaked my point stands
Bare minimum they’re not trying to do anything about the leaks
honest acorn
I know some of the leaks are from people successfully evading the anti cheat and messing with the game to activate hidden stratagems
Like the jeep drop leaks
But yeah there’s a bunch of other stuff
graceful bluff
I don't know if you can call it evading the anticheat when it is literally just cheatengine
upbeat vector
Wut
honest acorn
undone veldt
That’s just more efficient Super Earth ™️ Engineering!
dusty spruce
https://fxtwitter.com/evactouch/status/1769696103094497285?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjo...
Please gimme that pilot set
That or the old one that looked like Halo's EVA helmet, either is good~
blissful sparrow
the game being basically a single long list of feature flags that can be flipped on when the content is to be released would make sense considering how absolutely seamless every patch has been so far
stray tide
Man they’ve also been teasing the Illuminate more than I expected they would for this early in the game’s life
honest acorn
Tbf they were launch content in HD1
candid finch
I think they were always intended to come in somewhat early but the popularity boom no doubt shifted gears a little in the schedule
dusty spruce
Yeah I think most of this is just them making sure that the first war is a full spectacle.
though with them having more ways to direct the flow, I'm already hyped for how future wars' stories will be
autumn plover
It's aim set to Tap, right?
uhhh it should be that yeah
the language they use for the settings was a bit confusing i recall but that should be the toggle equivalent lol
junior badge
alright, let's see what happens.
autumn plover
junior badge
works fine on my machine
rich marlin
I will not stop using sickle
Sickle is great
idle hollow
https://fxtwitter.com/evactouch/status/1769696103094497285?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjo...
and that's without me cutting out more leg room for more bombs
damn
rich marlin
Whats yalls fav sidearm
idle hollow
Tbf they were launch content in HD1
I had a beta tester telling me that they were surprised that they werent in at launch
because the beta testers went up against them the bugs and the bots
idle hollow
Whats yalls fav sidearm
unfortunately redeemer
rich marlin
I'm partial to the Senator for its sheer hitting power
idle hollow
idk i expect it to fell devs and berserkers
rich marlin
It serves me well
idle hollow
with little effort
but it can damage turrets and hulks if you aim it right
the reload times are painful though
god it needs a speed loader/a damage buff
autumn plover
btw is the laser rifle any good?
idle hollow
the sickle?
autumn plover
oh its constant beam sadge
rich marlin
Sickles my go to
idle hollow
i hope we get the trident (laser shotgun) and tanto (laser SMG) back from the first game
autumn plover
oh i thought it was smg
rich marlin
It has yet to fail me
idle hollow
nah that's the tanto
autumn plover
can you modify its fire mode at all?
autumn plover
gotcha
idle hollow
and that's it
honest acorn
btw is the laser rifle any good?
It’s a weird polarizing weapon
autumn plover
fair
honest acorn
I like it I find it kills most bugs really well
oblique lotus
the scythe is a strange beast
autumn plover
to explain that desire i sorta want a lasgun equivalent lol
which usually has at least full auto and semi
honest acorn
It’s just weird since you use it quite differently from most weapons
oblique lotus
the sickle fires in full auto but doesn't fire laser pulses
it fires yellow bullets
undone veldt
Isn’t the warbond laser rifle more of an automatic fire of individual lasers?
oblique lotus
I'd describe it closer to yellow bullets
autumn plover
i mean its still lasers just not a constant beam one
rare nymph
am I spelling yellow correctly
Yup
oblique lotus
no like it looks like it fires yellow bullets rather than laser pulses
undone veldt
am I spelling yellow correctly
Yes
cobalt patrol
Re: difficulty and player level - Diff 7 has the issue of being the first place you can get super samples. And while a low level player has plenty of gear to contribute, skill with using it is an entirely different question.
Which creates a confluence of shit. There's also not a good metric for seeing what mobilize gear someone has, which makes a big difference (impact, slugger, etc).
Diff 7+ is also where the game really kicks into high gear and you need a plan to handle everything, know how to work with a team, know things like don't fight everything/don't get stuck in fights and hit n run.
oblique lotus
there's no laser line it's little discrete laser pellets
stoic lotus
i mean its still lasers just not a constant beam one
as someone who has used it I promise you it's yellow bullets and not a pulsed beam
autumn plover
again didnt say it was a pulsed beam
cobalt patrol
Net upshot is difficulty 7 with randoms is going to be a crapshoot
autumn plover
like im not talking function im talking visual in fluff
its like a lasgun on automatic more or less lol
undone veldt
Then yah it’s what you want
Also like, the fact it relies on heat instead of magazines means it not actually bullets
autumn plover
i do like the idea of also there being a sniper laser
undone veldt
Just functionally bullets
undone veldt
Also it does kinda suck for laser enjoyers like all the current bug planets are hot planets
We already conquered all the chilly ones
stoic lotus
laser enjoyers w
undone veldt
Also, I suggest a new planetary effect: wet
It doesn’t actually change anything mechanically, your helldiver just complains about being sweaty all the time
autumn plover
not even in space are we free of florida
autumn plover
accurate
honest acorn
Also, I suggest a new planetary effect: wet
It doesn’t actually change anythin...
There is one but it just reduces visibility
naive dragon
I also lose visibility when wet
undone veldt
Ngl I normally feel like visibility is bad in this game
Like there’s so much dust and smoke in every battle
naive dragon
I mean battles will do that though, all the explosions and all
Dust and sand everywhere
undone veldt
I mean yah but still makes it hard to see
naive dragon
I will simply blame this on why the automatons don't hit me more often
honest acorn
Re: difficulty and player level - Diff 7 has the issue of being the first place ...
I don’t see how that translates to “summarily kick anyone below level 20” that’s just being a prick
stoic lotus
I literally got put into a bot 7 as my first ever mission and we completed all the objectives and extracted
stoic lotus
I also do not get the arc thrower, everyone seems to have a great time with it but I do not understand it
glacial light
It kills chargers and pretty much every bug
honest acorn
I literally got put into a bot 7 as my first ever mission and we completed all t...
That’s really impressive tbh, I didn’t do a 7 until I was level 4-5
rich marlin
Gun go zap, enemy dies
undone veldt
Charge you shots, kill everything, avoid shooting things near teammates
glacial light
Ignores armor and auto headshots
barren iron
it doesn't kill anyone though
undone veldt
it doesn't kill anyone though
I’ll have you know it kills many things
Just often teammates
glacial light
And you after the first fully charged shot you can rhythm spam half charges infinitely but do full damage
barren iron
its way slower at killing people than just shooting them with anything else
quick plinth
okay this is extremely odd
stoic lotus
That’s really impressive tbh, I didn’t do a 7 until I was level 4-5
I have been known to be good at video games but the point I was really making is that you can carry people with limited game knowledge pretty hard
honest acorn
I don’t think it ignores armor it just penetrates all armor
honest acorn
I have been known to be good at video games but the point I was really making is...
Yeah I agree
I just remember my first 7 being really hard because I didn’t have very good AT options so I just shot up devastators with my machine gun while teammates fought hulks and such
quick plinth
okay this is extremely odd
I verified my files through steam
it detected 3 files didn't and reacquired them
I launch the game, play for a bit, the framedrops issue reappears
I go back to steam, validate the game
it detected 2 files and then reacquired them
is helldivers just borking its own files for me and that's why I get framedrops???
kindred lintel
that just sounds like the files are modified while playing
kindred lintel
thats not what i said
honest acorn
<@&1206091872716595200> I got time for an op or two
quick plinth
sure
kindred lintel
ill be there in a few
quick plinth
thats not what i said
I know but otherwise what files would have a need to be modified
glacial light
Wrong thread?
undone veldt
No it’s right
glacial light
Huh maybe pixiv is bonkers on my phone cause I only see the 1st image
keen zinc
stoic lotus
it only embeds the first one
kindred lintel
pixiv is not a site i associate with sfw content
kindred lintel
I know but otherwise what files would have a need to be modified
anyway, I get the same thing
undone veldt
Huh maybe pixiv is bonkers on my phone cause I only see the 1st image
Nah I was just joking
It is Pokémon fanart
fringe quiver
I didn't want to post the full 4 images due to it feeling a bit much 
stoic lotus
It is Pokémon fanart
it's not, it was a palworld/helldivers crossover post
cobalt patrol
I don’t see how that translates to “summarily kick anyone below level 20” that’s...
I didn't say it justified it! More commentating on what's causing issues. Level is getting used as a short hand because there's an assumption that time = experience, and therefore skill
honest acorn
I didn't say it justified it! More commentating on what's causing issues. Level ...
That’s fair but I am specifically talking about that
candid finch
This reminds me I should get a group of folk to do the "don't shoot anything but your pistols" challenge
glacial light
I didn't say it justified it! More commentating on what's causing issues. Level ...
Can confirm, I am higher level and am bad
merry cosmos
https://vxtwitter.com/MrTLexify/status/1768872323002597441?s=20
Tbf he might has well be
How I learned to stop worrying and love the arc charger
glacial light
This meme is now animated, it's evolve at an unprecedented rate
The effects of termincide
autumn plover
https://vxtwitter.com/MrTLexify/status/1768872323002597441?s=20
@gritty sundial
naive dragon
https://vxtwitter.com/MrTLexify/status/1768872323002597441?s=20
Senator my beloved
blissful sparrow
This reminds me I should get a group of folk to do the "don't shoot anything but...
i did it with some peeps from the server, was suprisingly easy
gritty sundial
lmao
keen zinc
https://vxtwitter.com/MrTLexify/status/1768872323002597441?s=20
Literally me
Senator my beloved
graceful bluff
microwave mission
keen zinc
I hate seeing so many weenie hut jr members crying wanting a speed loader
Speed load yourself into a cry-o pod
I love round reload
I love to reload during a battle
Nothing like sliding a long silver bullet into a well greased chamber
glacial light
My putting a speed loader on my puckett gun
oblique storm
keen zinc
Been posted
I do wonder if a triwing is an actually feasible design for an aerospace fighter
quick plinth
just give me a laserdesignstor so we can course correct stratagems
make it take a backpack and support weapons slot idc
quick plinth
I do wonder if a triwing is an actually feasible design for an aerospace fighter
imo seems like a scifi space fighter that has no business flying in atmosphere
keen zinc
Having a ventral main wing
glacial light
The plane is upsidedown
keen zinc
I gotta wonder what purpose that could serve except maybe making the air-space transition more stable in terms of delta-v and weight distro to prevent spinning
I'll build it in KSP 
stark ether
armament pylon
keen zinc
I know this server has aerospace nerds
It has to
Someone break down the Eagle strike craftb
glacial light
I am in aerospace but as software
Idk how real life works
Just put a lot of boom juice in a tube with flaps and you can go fly
azure pewter
I tried to pilot but they don’t like that I take my normal pills
Not that I need them
stoic lotus
Someone break down the Eagle strike craftb
it doesn't make sense, it's not aerodynamic at all and would not fly
azure pewter
That I take them
stoic lotus
it's just designed to look like some kinda 40k x-wing
azure pewter
yea looks a lot like the various 40k planes
keen zinc
Sadge
blissful sparrow
in Thrust we Trust
keen zinc
azure pewter
stoic lotus
it has the flight characteristics of a brick, the wings are entirely the wrong shape for the speeds it travels and would snap off, and the huge ventral tail is pointless (also the wrong shape)
azure pewter
stoic lotus
not saying this makes it a bad design that's just my aerospace breakdown
keen zinc
What if they were all delta wings
I know more delta wing = more better
Which is why the mirage is the ultimate fighter jet
stoic lotus
it would only need very small stubby delta wings
keen zinc
Is there any merit to having a ventral wing like that for a space launched aerospace fighter
stoic lotus
no, it would probably be destroyed on atmospheric entry
keen zinc
Well i think the destroyer actually dips down into low atmospheric altitude for missions so
I don't think the eagle is actually SSTO
stoic lotus
it also means you can't do an emergency landing or dock anywhere that isn't the specific spaceship it's meant to go in
azure pewter
I know more delta wing = more better
double delta best delta
keen zinc
We know the pelican can SSTO
stoic lotus
the destroyer enters low orbit I believe, not the atmosphere
keen zinc
It apparently is low enough to becoming a deteriorating orbit and need to pull out of it
keen zinc
More delta is more victory
stoic lotus
even when you are "out of the atmosphere" there is still a bit of atmosphere that causes orbital decay
keen zinc
Yea
azure pewter
morbital
stoic lotus
but it would need to be quite high up to remain over the relatively small AO for 40 minutes
tragically I don't think the physics work out for helldivers 2, a game which begins every mission by shooting you from low orbit into the surface of the planet in a giant bullet
azure pewter
i mean it also ends with pelly immediately going vertical ya gotta be pulling some Gs
dusty spruce
nah the funky gel and springs will totally keep you from turning into paste
azure pewter
sproing
graceful bluff
<@&1206091872716595200> Time to get flattened by like 5 cannon turrets
undone veldt
Huh
I just had a blitz defense mission on difficulty 7 where only a single bile Titan spawned and 0 chargers spawned
Genuinely no idea what happened there
honest acorn
Joel giveth
stoic lotus
joel 🙏
undone veldt
I can only assume the bugs were so intimidated by our strides throughout the galaxy they’re backing off
quick plinth
that implies bugs can strategise and think
and that sounds like undemocratic talk to me
undone veldt
Of course the bugs can think
How else can they hate democracy if they’re not sentient?
stoic lotus
they only think about fascist oppression and tyranny
undone veldt
Exactly
rare nymph
The only thing the bugs strategize about is how to deprive citizens of the right to vote
turbid tapir
Theres piles of dead corpses on bug missions stacked away from the killing zone, clearly the bugs are intelligent enough to hate democracy loving citizens
super earth would never crack down on dissidents and kill them in an organized manner
keen zinc
I mean, dissidents aren't really human so
God I can't wait for the Illuminate
My aggression will finally be tactically optimal
I want to yell FOLLOW ME and lead an attack across open ground and immediately get domed by a sniper
candid finch
Joel fights me but with crash to desktops
oblique storm
I *know* this server has aerospace nerds
They're gonna be in #technical-discussion
keen zinc
Ethical discussion
stoic lotus
swede-seeking missiles
honest acorn
They’re so mean
graceful bluff
now you can call me many things but calling me a swede is too much :v
keen zinc
Nalesh are you German
keen zinc
Your voice reminds me of a German man I once knew
meager saffron
the rng on the spear is wild
honest acorn
It’s so inconsistent
meager saffron
on one hand whiffing a charger at like 10 meters feels like dogshit
on the other hand I oneshot a bile titan
so who can say if it's good or not
keen zinc
I've heard scuttlebutt that tagging something helps provide a visual aid for locking on
graceful bluff
Nalesh are you German
Dane
glad marsh
maybe that's worth a shot
keen zinc
Oh yeah I member
The ice bridge law
He was northern German so that tracks as well
Train engineer, dour sense of humor, loved trains and metal and engines and beer. Hated Bavarians.
quick plinth
I've heard scuttlebutt that tagging something helps provide a visual aid for loc...
I'll try anything at this point
anything to hopefully make the spear work properly
because if it did I would never take it off
stone bridge
Apparently the double load bug on the AMR is very easy to replicate (ignore the garbage video title)
https://youtu.be/d-Fyv-HWCYs?si=ihu_rRXQwj9W7AFb
stoic lotus
I didn't mind the scope
stoic lotus
now you can call me many things but calling me a swede is too much :v
also I'm sorry I forgot you were danish, it's in my notes
in my defence you have swedish energy
stone bridge
Real
stoic lotus
this seems like a cool channel
honest acorn
Oh is firing upwind why I set myself ablaze?
stone bridge
this seems like a cool channel
They give legitimately good info but they need to throw their video titles in the bin
honest acorn
On that grind
I hate that those provocative titles and Mr.beastpogging.jpeg type of thumbnails actually work
stone bridge
It straight up infuriates me
stoic lotus
there is a browser extension that plasters mr beast faces on every yt thumbnail
it's wonderful
meager saffron
what they need is some kind of angle detector for airbursts and ffffucking orbital gatling barrages
which project as a cone from a ship and therefore have arbitrary angle and spread depending on where you are in the world
barren iron
Train engineer, dour sense of humor, loved trains and metal and engines and beer...
all north germans in my experience are like this
especially hating bavarians
not the train engineer part
it would be very strange if every north german I knew was a train engineer
stoic lotus
NRW be like "our trains suck so much" while having the best train network in the world
keen zinc
all north germans in my experience are like this
The joy in his voice when he got to talk about making something "efficient!" in a game was inspiring
glacial light
They got best by constantly complaining and improving
Settle for nothing less than perfection
Gimme trains that just put me back in time so i'm early for work when i'm late
keen zinc
honest acorn
there is a browser extension that plasters mr beast faces on every yt thumbnail
I need to get it my YouTube experience has been too good lately
stone bridge
Perfect
meager saffron
no notes
meager saffron
owned
glacial light
Shows you for expecting fun in a video game
honest acorn
I’m so mad about this
unreal merlin
jetpack joyride is the new ambience for my ship
keen zinc
earning the personal order the fun way
candid finch
How do I jump pack into a ragdoll? It's an achievement and I have no idea how to do it
meager saffron
can you jump and land on something like a running charger
candid finch
I'd rather not ;-;
alpine seal
impact grenade
glacial light
I did it with grenade launcher
graceful bluff
How do I jump pack into a ragdoll? It's an achievement and I have no idea how to...
Get someone to punch you just after takeoff
rich marlin
I'd rather not ;-;
Come on Helldiver, where's your sense of adventure?
hollow plover
I got mine from jumping down a cliff and letting the landing counter-thrust duration peter out
Result, face full of dirt
graceful bluff
I got the break all parts but survive one today
got hit in the chest by a cannon tower, won the coinflip, got the achievement, splatted against a cliff face, didn't win the coinflip :v
undone veldt
So I keep seeing the jump pack as unavailable despite it being a pregiven strat
jolly mortar
I got the 'blow both arms off a hulk and extract' with a squad from here, it was cool as hell because if I remember right it was a super rough, hectic extraction.
think we were barely about to make it and me and someone else got the arms off as the hulk was rushing us, then we booked it onto the shuttle
honest acorn
Nice, getting it the legit way rules
jolly mortar
definitely yeah
honest acorn
I got it randomly when an eagle airstrike or something left one barely alive and forgotten and we got it in the extract without knowing it was alive
jolly mortar
most of the achievements I've got so far have been purely by accident / through natural gameplay, which I kinda love.
I haven't really had to achievement grind
honest acorn
same
stone bridge
same
honest acorn
I'm missing most of the ones you really need to engineer like only pistols or 6 orbitals and such
jolly mortar
yeah same
like there's still ones I will inevitable have to apply concerted effort fir
but like. they seem to be the minority, which is definitely a breath of fresh air for game achievements.
honest acorn
definitely
jolly mortar
I can just play the game however the hell I want and feel rewarded for it
but not, like, I'm being given a handout.
unreal merlin
Somehow got the ragdoll achievement a few days ago by genuine accident, amidst the chaos of a 120mm bombardment.
glacial light
There's certainly a good number of very valid playstyles for how many stratagems there aren't, it doesn't feel bloated or limited
jolly mortar
yeah
merry cosmos
earning the personal order the fun way
Ass up like a navy boy?
jolly mortar
I follow a guy on tiktok who's like, reshaped my thinking about balancing in this game
glacial light
I admire the design behind it cause pretty much every stratagem has a niche
honest acorn
Also - and it almost pains me to say this - I think 380mm is good now
merry cosmos
Also - and it almost pains me to say this - I think 380mm is good now
Shame I hate the people who use it
jolly mortar
in that even when specific bits of gear are technically not, like, 'great', they're still perfectly usable and can be fun if you learn how they want you to use them
honest acorn
I like how it can erase large bases or mostly hold a humongous frontage for 30 seconds
honest acorn
Shame I hate the people who use it
just stand 60 meters away 4head
meager saffron
380 is super high variance but sometimes you just fluke your way into a 30x killstreak that also includes ten-odd rocket devs and tanks
jolly mortar
I really oughta grab the 380 then.
meager saffron
there's basically nothing that doesn't die to a 380 impact
honest acorn
I think it really needs Explosive Shrapnel
Without Explosive Shrapnel you sometimes get whiff barrages which feels extremely ???
glacial light
New game, everyone brings 380mm and last one standing is the best helldiver
meager saffron
yeah that might be why it feels a bit of a dud for me
honest acorn
And with it I consistently get 7-10 skulls every 2-3 shells
meager saffron
explosives in general without it are uh
honest acorn
I think I've seen it rack up like 60-70 kills across the whole barrage
honest acorn
yeah that might be why it feels a bit of a dud for me
It made a pretty big difference for me
Now I just need my cannons updated to the 20th century and I can have the Good Barrages
jolly mortar
New game, everyone brings 380mm and last one standing is the best helldiver
this but also you can only call all of them down when all of you are within a medium or higher base. whichever helldiver can run and dive to safety wins.
stone bridge
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone down to play in 5?
honest acorn
maybe later tonight
unkempt river
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone down to play in 5?
I cast uwu
stone bridge
candid finch
I got the 'blow both arms off a hulk and extract' with a squad from here, it was...
Did we get that one together? I know I did it on here too, it was like a last minute "hey do you wanna blow the arms off this thing?" while in one of the bot kill missions.
Oops, sorry for the ping
I just remember it basically staring at the ship while we were taking off like "damn"
cobalt patrol
I hate that those provocative titles and Mr.beastpogging.jpeg type of thumbnails...
I;m always cynical - do they actually work, or does everyone do them, so the data says they work?
cobalt patrol
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone down to play in 5?
I would love to, but i'm taking kitty to the vet (1 month checkup post her surgery)
honest acorn
This isn't my profession so its secondhand but aiui it really does make a difference
Though I think some of it is because its sort of self reinforcing at this point
I've heard that the algorithm "prefers" videos with that format
oblique storm
honest acorn
But this sounds like youtuber folk wisdom to me not a real thing
unkempt river
I would love to, but i'm taking kitty to the vet (1 month checkup post her surge...
I hope everything is a-ok for your kitty
honest acorn
afaik it really does make a difference and that's why you can see a lot of channels do a more unique thing and eventually move to the standard provocative title, pogface, big text on thumb format because it works
glacial light
Youtube has an advising team for larger youtubers that basically tell youtubers how their algorithm (or any changes) affect them and how they can maximize their views, clicks, ad revenue, etc
Jesse Cox has mentioned meeting with youtube reps and basically ignoring them cause youtube's decisions are madness but the team does know exactly how to get a youtuber popular to the right audience
It's like chicken and egg, youtube algorithm is set one way for a quarter, youtubers find out the best way to exploit it until it becomes detrimental to ad revenue, youtube has to change the algorithm again, repeat forever
jolly mortar
Did we get that one together? I know I did it on here too, it was like a last mi...
I don't thiiiiink we've played together yet? But it was very much a purely happy accident where me and the other person blew the arms off at the same time, not a called-out shot.
unkempt river
It's like chicken and egg, youtube algorithm is set one way for a quarter, youtu...
Sisyphissian
glacial light
Anyways we're not here to talk late stage capitalism, we're here for super freedom and managed democracy
Good thing there's no politics in HD2 /s
candid finch
It's hard to keep track of everyone I've played with cause I just grab games
honest acorn
No politics - just democracy
candid finch
Probably not the same one though cause I remember basically going "right let's try this!" last second and aiming to blow some arms off
Can they even do anything after you've taken their arms off? Can they stomp?
candid finch
Just tempting to blow their arms off and leave them toddling around unable to hurt anyone else
also I went on a hot planet to fight bots
the sand storm or whatever it was was horrendous
honest acorn
Fire tornadoes or something else
glacial light
They can definitely hurt dumb players like me who don't hear a giant hulk walking behind them and one shotting them with their foot
merry cosmos
...was the united citizen federation actually fighting a defensive war or not?
candid finch
There might have been fire tornadoes the dust was so thick in the air I could barely see
honest acorn
Yeah you saw what those bugs with with NO PROVOCATION!!!
candid finch
Automatons are fighting to free 'indentured prisoners' aka slaves that are working in the mines of cyberstan and the bugs were being mass farmed for e-710 (Oil backwards and upsidedown) and have escaped and are wrecking havock, unsure if they have a deeper intelligence myself, but the bile spewers are basically mobile chemical processors that absorb whoopsy accidental horrible chemical spillages made by Super Earth.
jolly mortar
It's hard to keep track of everyone I've played with cause I just grab games
I mean mood, same. I only remember like a handful of names cause my brain is a sieve and I have to play with someone repeatedly to remember.
also fire tornadoes are fun
was doing some runs on hellmire the other night and the fire tornadoes went from 'natural deterrent to bugs trying to rush extraction' to 'oh shit fuck goddamnit MOVE the fire tornadoes are on extraction now'
it was hilarious
candid finch
I've not seen one yet, the sand storms were against bots which made it even worse because I'm squinting into the distance and get obliterated by a rocket from an obscured pack of devastators
jolly mortar
they're easy enough to avoid because they move really slow, but if you aren't paying attention they can and will sneak up on you and burn you to death.
same with the enemy, though. when one got stuck on the incline leading up to extraction, bugs couldn't get more than a foot towards us without dying.
honest acorn
It feels like everything can sneak up on us in this game haha
can't see or hear shit in these helmets
meager saffron
the audio cues in this game make me miss apex
honest acorn
If I had a nickle for every time a charger somehow appeared from out of frame .1 seconds before trampling me with no audio warning I'd have like 2 dollars
jolly mortar
It feels like everything can sneak up on us in this game haha
part of the fun honestly. kinda love the addition of weather effects because they've really naturally amped up the natural chaos of each mission I do.
the meteor showers can have such a polarizing effect on a match. either they work in your favor and pulverise an enemy position, or they make a position you need to take completely inaccessible for awhile so you have to fight to survive.
honest acorn
Yeah meteor showards are great
merry cosmos
Ion storms are cool
honest acorn
It's just really important to maintain the "that's helldivers baby" attitude when another terrible thing happens to you for seemingly no reasoon
meager saffron
yeah basically
just having your screen bass-boosted out of nowhere? das helldivahs babey
jolly mortar
I don't think I've hit an ion storm yet actually
honest acorn
I think my funniest death was lobbing a 500 kg bomb at a hulk moments before it shot the gas plant I was next to and ragdolled me right into the bomb
jolly mortar
It's just really important to maintain the "that's helldivers baby" attitude whe...
but yeah like. even if shit goes horribly wrong it's still the game. that's just the way things go.
honest acorn
I have it clipped but its really hard to get clips off of a PS5 now that the twitter integration is gone
merry cosmos
I have it clipped but its really hard to get clips off of a PS5 now that the twi...
What happened to it
honest acorn
Elon Musk basically
stone bridge
As always
<@&1206091872716595200> looking for 2 more after we got rinsed by diff 7 bots
copper crest
I have it clipped but its really hard to get clips off of a PS5 now that the twi...
"We should make X a video platform!" [kills ability for console users to upload clips]
jolly mortar
speaking of those Hellmire runs I mentioned. I did run the flamethrower for the first time since its buff because of the personal order, and man. It feels good to burn a charger to death.
merry cosmos
"We should make X a video platform!" [kills ability for console users to upload ...
He killed the ability himself?
copper crest
Maybe not personally or intentionally but it died as a result of his policies
copper crest
(Likely due to choking out a lot of API stuff)
merry cosmos
Also. I keep imagining the PTs as helldivers for some reason
(I mean the Phantom Theves. From persona)
(A series I have a deep love hate relationship with)
stone bridge
Yeah we couldn't get any bites, so took a break
cobalt patrol
All good
stone bridge
<@&1206091872716595200> looking to build a mighty 4 stack now, actually
cobalt patrol
`H E L L H E L L H E L L
Though if we dont get a third quickly, i'm gonna lie down
stone bridge
shy prairie
i could dive
cobalt patrol
Well, i'm on and in game
stiff pine
@stone bridge what difficulty?
stone bridge
6 or 7 is usually what we run
stiff pine
I can hack that
jolly mortar
cobalt patrol
@stone bridge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMBkWtDAPBY
meager saffron
that right there is why you're the best boss
quick plinth
Spear can oneshot BTs if you manage to have it face you
reason alone to take it to bugs
oblique storm
I love the spear
quick plinth
and for some reason it seems a lot more capable or locking bugs than it ever is of locking bots
honest acorn
Huh I never bring it vs bugs
meager saffron
it has such a monstrous damage mult that it will insta bile titans on a headshot where an eat won'5
but if you whiff ggs
meager saffron
I would sort of hope so tbh
ionic holly
I love the spear
fellow spear enjoyer spoted, opinion accepted
honest acorn
fuck them vases
stone bridge
I think I've locked my preferred bug loadout in as Strafe, 500kg, Autocannon, Airburst
Honestly thinking about bringing Airburst vs bots too
honest acorn
Airburst is definitely growing on me
jolly mortar
same
honest acorn
I think it hits the largest area the fastest of any strat
jolly mortar
twice, too. so that's a lot of area denial for not a lot of inputs.
stone bridge
I honestly think that sums it up yeah
Three times with the final orbital module, even
jolly mortar
hell yeah
stone bridge
The fact it can actually kill Chargers if it lands at a good angle is just icing on the cake
honest acorn
Oh neat I didn't know that
quick plinth
it's almost like they don't want us to defend this planet or smn
also
the "mark and aim" strat for the spear seems to be working
honest acorn
Oh sweet
quick plinth
since it shows you the rough centre of an enemy it allows you to lock it
honest acorn
So you just aim for the red mark?
honest acorn
ah makes sense
meager saffron
the main thing with the spear is realising it launches about a meter up and to the left of you
ionic holly
Is sniping bot vases
Dude that shit is so good, ive sniped a bot base from like 200 out
ionic holly
No you cant dumbfire it, yes it locks onto bot fabricators
but thats the only building type it locks on to
honest acorn
It also does turrets if you count them
meager saffron
okay turrets is strong
do you need a wp hit for turrets
because if so I might actually start using it
honest acorn
yes or 2 shots
meager saffron
one of my least favourite part of 7+ bots is all the ffffucking turrets
honest acorn
but you can get 2 shots off before a turret fires if its not already aggroed
meager saffron
yeah you can peek em p easily
but I know anecdotally that the autocannon is pretty ass without weakpoints
so two shot is pretty good
meager saffron
wouldn't shock me
I just cba to deal with that
especially with how finicky the aggro management can be
ionic holly
Yeah its bare minimum 2, but you can also one shot em pretty reliably
meager saffron
fuck them turrets
mortars as well or nah
that would really well put it over the top for me
ionic holly
Havent tried it but i doubt it
meager saffron
zzzz
ionic holly
okay...?
quick plinth
localization booster seems to be having no effect on "rescue science teams"
ionic holly
How so?
quick plinth
since it seemingly has no effect on reducing the insanity that are lvl 9s of that specific objective
honest acorn
mortars as well or nah
Yes but its very hard
quick plinth
like holy shot you just cant send the guys out
meager saffron
dang
honest acorn
since they're usually kind of sunk into trenches
meager saffron
that is appealing
I may have to try it with jetpack sometime
just to try and get a high angle on em
honest acorn
since it seemingly has no effect on reducing the insanity that are lvl 9s of tha...
That's the one where it works kind of like the eradicate missions right?
quick plinth
yeah but instead of killing enemies you have to usher 60 civvies
honest acorn
Yeah those are hard
ionic holly
since it seemingly has no effect on reducing the insanity that are lvl 9s of tha...
Reducing in what way? cause all it does is make a slightly longer buffer between enemy call ins
honest acorn
I think the Distraction Team strategy is best but its still hard
quick plinth
yes
ionic holly
Uh thresh
quick plinth
bug breaches
ionic holly
it has a backpack
honest acorn
I don't think it changes those missions yeah enemies just spawn in on their own pace
meager saffron
argh
quick plinth
since it has an effect on eradicate missions
honest acorn
Oh does it?
quick plinth
yeah
meager saffron
just let me have the magic destiny rocket backpack in the ether
honest acorn
Interesting
quick plinth
9s with it seemed a lot calmer
honest acorn
I wish it was clearer or easier to measure what it did
ionic holly
just let me have the magic destiny rocket backpack in the ether
Nah, cause then shit like the recoilless or spear would likely get nerfed for that tradeoff
quick plinth
the whole point of weapons that are powerful having ammo packs and similar is that you can't take other, potentially more appealing packs
ionic holly
Mhm
quick plinth
if I wanna use the spear on bug missions I have to generally say bye bye to laser drone which tends to be a great help
ionic holly
so just making it pocket ammo completely defeats the tradeoff
quick plinth
or if I wanna use the gods hand (Autocannon) I can't once again take more supportive backpacks
the point is in tradeoffs and filling niches
ionic holly
Mhm
honest acorn
also facilitating buddy loading but people don't do that very much in 2
meager saffron
I realise this objectively, let me have my bit in peace
quick plinth
buddy loading only really works in premades
meager saffron
yeah I don't even bother with it there most times
if I'm bringing a rr or spear I'm just gonna expect to hard load that shit myself
honest acorn
It's a mix of a couple main things I think
meager saffron
everyone is flailing
honest acorn
It's way easier to sit still and reload in 2
And its way harder and less safe to stay close
stone bridge
i think buddy loading is a super good strat if you've got two people in sync
meager saffron
if someone else can handle en masse dipshits with the arc thrower or flame you can pretty reliably just find a spot to hunker down and onedeag biles
ionic holly
Ive sometimes gotten a friend to buddy load for me, mainly in bot SND missions
honest acorn
Yeah its still strong its just not necessary like it was in 1
Since sitting still for 5 seconds in 1 was basically just something you could do out of combat
meager saffron
the main compelling argument for loaders in this game is that having a backpack power weapon and a lasrover or a portable shield is so much power to have as a carry
honest acorn
I think a backpack amplifier would be fun for energy based weapons
meager saffron
or if your team is more well rounded in its competence then you can run a supply backpack and keep everyone flush with grenades
stims/ammo etc
as well as defeating the conservation of mass
quick plinth
Spear is excellent so far on bugs
however it is a bit annoying that you have to aim for charger heads as well
you'd expect something like that to just onehit them considering how many of them appear on 8 and 9
BTs I understand why you'd snipe for heads, but it's not even that difficulty to get them once you get the hang of the spear
meager saffron
yeah the spear is just more likely to be in its deadzone against chargers
civic apex
meager saffron
which is always unfortunate
civic apex
JOEL PLAYS THIS
meager saffron
stripping a hefty chunk of armor off the side is pretty notable though
quick plinth
I don't even know if the side armor stripping does anything
civic apex
something I continue to wish is that they gave the armor like .....something along the lines of how glyphid armor works
quick plinth
every time I try to shoot in there it seems to give the ricochet effect
honest acorn
I don't even know if the side armor stripping does anything
It makes it weak medium armor I think
civic apex
like if you have an armor stripping weapon, you could like blow the armor clean offf
which I know theres weak point you can open up
honest acorn
Instead of heavy armor
civic apex
but its not enough
honest acorn
Autocannon and slugger can pen it I think
civic apex
arc thrower is my most used gun
its very finicky
sometimes it doesnt fire, sometimes it fires really long range
quick plinth
okay
civic apex
sometimes you have to aim over enemeies
ionic holly
Ah
civic apex
what the fuck is this land mass
ionic holly
also side note
i fucking love the blitzer so much
i know its just a worse arc thrower, however
i can run a spear with it
quick plinth
what the fuck is this land mass
Netherlands
ionic holly
The shockgun
i will say, its far better at bugs than bots
it respects armour, unlike its big brother
Well, some armour
ionic holly
hive guards still get whoppped
quick plinth
the blitzer is nice as a self-defence weapon
quick plinth
hive guards still get whoppped
so do commanders
civic apex
now the thing the arc thrower has problems with , Tanks and chainsaw guys