Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[glad marsh]

It feels like performance took a hit since the last patch

[oblique lotus]

depending on how hard the silo hits it could have potential as a SPEAR alternative

though you do only get one every three minutes

I remember the commando rockets being kinda weedy so if they're like the rocket turret rockets they'll be pretty meh

[rich marlin]

hm new kind of mission

[stone bridge]

Yeah, activating the TCS towers

[rich marlin]

seems simple enough, the bugs prioritizing attacking the silos is kinda cool

makes sense, but still cool

[pale remnant]

Finally, a defence mission but good

The eradicate ones feel a bit too cramped for my tastes. Civ defence ones were hell when I played them, haven't done one recently though, I enjoy the fart tower missions, they're quite good

That said with the relatively recent changes eradicate ones are at least moderately challenging now

[burnt vapor]

They are very neat I like how you can see the tower raise up and start emitting termacide once activated

[jolly mortar]

played one, had the game crash out on me at the end.

but it was a fun, if frantic mode.

[stone bridge]

Remember, Termicide is 100% safe for all other living beings

[jolly mortar]

oh boy! I sure hope I don't develop super cancer from inhaling this in ten years.

[stiff pine]

The tower defense was rough when we realized you can also friendly fire it

:^)

[wind arrow]

dear diary

[pale remnant]

While the obvious funny interpretation is that it's not 100% safe for other living beings, I like the idea that it is actually 100% safe because it's also completely safe for bugs and doesn't actually do much of anything

[wind arrow]

i reached level 19

[stone bridge]

Yeah you really can't bring huge area saturation strikes on TCS missions

[wind arrow]

⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️⬇️

[stone bridge]

Okay that's also perfect

[wind arrow]

oh it's level 15? oops forgot to check

[pale remnant]

Yeah 500kg is 15 I'm pretty sure

I've been going sicko mode and bringing 3 airstrikes recently, it's been a lot of fun

bile titans are still quite scary, though

[stiff pine]

is 500kg worth it? It obviously looks good but isn't it one use only?

[jolly mortar]

oh my god is that why it kept resetting. we had mortar turrets going.

[pale remnant]

It's 2 with the upgrade

[stiff pine]

I feel like most missions are such a slog I want more unlimited stuff

ahhh

[stiff pine]

Yes

[pale remnant]

Oh, its unlimited overall

[wind arrow]

i assume it's one use and then rearm

[pale remnant]

Yeah

[wind arrow]

just like other eagle strikes

wait does that mean i get to 110 MM rocket pod once, eagle strike once, then drop 500 KG before rearm?

[jolly mortar]

it's rarely worth it, I've found. only use I've found is for like, heavy bot outposts where I need to clear a lot of space at once.

[stiff pine]

Ohhhhhhhh duh

[jolly mortar]

but yeah it's a one and done

[pale remnant]

With upgrades you can use pods 3 times, airstrike 3 times, bomb twice before auto rearm

[stone bridge]

Suki I recommend taking a bunch of Eagles

[stiff pine]

I don't have any eagle upgrades

[stone bridge]

They're basically what you're looking for

[pale remnant]

Rearm isn't even that long

[wind arrow]

never really brought more than one eagle-related strategems to the same run, how does rearming with multiple eagles work?

[stone bridge]

No time like the present to invest!

[jolly mortar]

the basic airstrike is honestly pretty strong

[rapid plover]

Eagle Airstrike is IMO the best all around Stratagem

[wind arrow]

do they just rearm after all eagles run dry?

[stiff pine]

I need like 300+ common samples

[jolly mortar]

I pack it on more or less every mission

and yeah

[stiff pine]

:/

[rich marlin]

I was on a mission by myself, 10 commons, mission done, on my way to extraction and I lost connection to the network

[rapid plover]

Yes

[pale remnant]

You can rearm early to refresh all of them, they auto refresh when they all run dry

[jolly mortar]

either you rearm when empty or you can rearm early with a stratagem

[rich marlin]

Damn it Joel

[rapid plover]

Or if you manually rearm early

[wind arrow]

gotcha

[copper crest]

And early rearm locks them all out for the 2(?) min

[mortal wing]

I think by now I got 500kgs to hit titans pretty reliably

[wind arrow]

also update: now capable of surviving/soloing diff3

[mortal wing]

and it do be nice with two of them

[rapid plover]

It's 2:30 by default IIRC

[jolly mortar]

I need to practice my counter-titan play, but I almost always pack crowd clear loadouts on bugs so I never have stuff to really take them on

[pale remnant]

EATs are always really solid

[jolly mortar]

yeah

I'm just like

[mortal wing]

but also now there are mechs sooo

[jolly mortar]

almost reliably always running GL on bugs

[mortal wing]

GL?

[pale remnant]

That's fair, I like my flamethrower myself

[jolly mortar]

grenade launcher

[mortal wing]

ah

[jolly mortar]

I just get too much use out of it for clearing packs

[mortal wing]

Never really liked grenade launcher, I just don't think it fits my dumb brain

[jolly mortar]

and it lets me be a dedicated hole-closer

the GL does kind of require you to shoot different to use it effectively, sometimes

[rapid plover]

It's good for clearing bug holes yeah

[burnt vapor]

Then with the tier 2 eagle upgrade it’s a 2 minute rearm

[jolly mortar]

I had to train my brain to aim at the feet, not the actual enemy.

[blissful sparrow]

its also great foe bots for anything short of hulks

[honest acorn]

150 seconds is a good rearm time even without the upgrades

[burnt vapor]

Yeah it’s faster then most orbitals base and then gets even faster

[pale remnant]

I tend not to bring a support weapon at all for bots, I just scavenge something out on the map

[honest acorn]

if you play on 7 or less orbital railcannon means you don't have to think about them much

[pale remnant]

I normally bring a jump pack since it's really nice for jumping walls

[mortal wing]

I never tried the space laser. How does it work?

[rapid plover]

I don't really get the jump pack

[rapid plover]

The orbital laser?

[mortal wing]

ye

[rapid plover]

You throw it out, and then it tracks onto enemies nearby

[pale remnant]

You just chuck it out and it murders everything near it for like 20 seconds

[mortal wing]

huh, I always thought it goes in straight line for some reason

[pale remnant]

It's really strong, there's a reason you only get 3 per mission

[rapid plover]

It's pretty great yeah

[honest acorn]

It's kind of the premier "oh shit" call in

[lethal dagger]

it will take out most of a bot base with zero effort

[rapid plover]

Great for chucking into bot bases too, it targets fabricators and buildings

[lethal dagger]

it's good on bugs but is better on bots since they have nothing that tanks the laser for very long

[stiff pine]

yeah it's my favorite strat

there's nothing it won't eventually kill

[lethal dagger]

note if you're using it on bile titans

pop the sacks underneath, that's like 50% of body health

it'll cut down the time tha laser needs to kill it

[honest acorn]

Oh that's good to know

[blissful sparrow]

yeah, otherwise the laser basically needs close to 100% of its firetime for 1 titan

[lethal dagger]

will also mean that orbital rail will kill

orbital rail is good for bile titans but you need something to take it the rest of the way to dead

unless you get a lucky headshot with it

[rapid plover]

Does the railcannon one-shot hulks?

[lethal dagger]

i haven't tested it but maybe facing the bile titan towards the center of the map will get the railcannon to headshot it

[lethal dagger]

yep

[blissful sparrow]

hulks and tanks

[rapid plover]

Nice

[lethal dagger]

the cooldown is no joke but it's reliable and easy to use

[rapid plover]

Tanks feel... weirdly easy to take out

[honest acorn]

It is afaik whether they are facing towards the ship

Which kind of battle busses across the map slowly

[pale remnant]

Tanks are also just so slow I'm not super threatened by them most of the time

[lethal dagger]

the ship moves???

[rapid plover]

Airstrike or rocket pods will pretty reliably get them IME

[pale remnant]

A bile titan will chase my ass, though

[rapid plover]

Or just shoot the vents

[honest acorn]

Yeah its why your reinforcements get screwy and harder to steer later in the match

[lethal dagger]

aughhhh

[honest acorn]

Most of their "steering power" has been used to get that far

You can look up and see it usually

[rapid plover]

Huh

[stone bridge]

Yeah I think tanks need more teeth

[honest acorn]

They're the least threatening thing the liberator can't easily kill

I'm genuinely more scared of gun turrets than tanks

[rapid plover]

Yeah haha

[pale remnant]

Oh yeah, I've definitely noticed the recent changes to spawn weightings

I ran into two patrols at once which were all regular bot troopers and got mowed down by assault rifle fire

Was 30 or so of them at once

[rapid plover]

There are some huge groups now occasionally yeah

[pale remnant]

It's very cool

[lethal dagger]

i wish that enemies didn't sometimes spawn right in front of me

also i kinda hate orbital scatter as a modifier

like

i get incentivizing usage of certain stratagems based on modifiers but

most people use eagle stratagems more often anyway

[pale remnant]

The cooldown one is also very much a pick eagles option

[stone bridge]

I think some orbitals are good but some just need more juice

[lethal dagger]

i want gatling to be good

[honest acorn]

Gatling is pretty good though

In general I feel like orbitals are a little too long

[lethal dagger]

i compare it to its add clear competitor eagle cluster bomb

[honest acorn]

Or, more likely, eagle rearm is way too short

[true smelt]

My girlfriend killed me 12 times with a mortar sentry on accident today LMFAO

[lethal dagger]

and cluster bomb will kill like an indefinite number of small enemies in a large area

[pale remnant]

Classic mortar sentry

[lethal dagger]

and gatling doesn't reliably kill things in the small area it covers

[honest acorn]

That has not been my experience

[lethal dagger]

maybe i should use it more

[honest acorn]

If eagle rearm was say… 300-360 seconds base you’d probably see a lot more orbitals haha

Ime it kills things pretty well and gets its niche by lasting a while

So it denies area

Though honestly I think it’s bigger problem is that orbital airburst kind of does everything it does better except close bug holes

Which iirc airburst will not and Gatling will

[blissful sparrow]

gatling just struggles if it locks onto a charger and then spends all its time pinging rounds off it. But it will very reliably clear out dozens of small fry

[stone bridge]

I honestly think the game would be less fun if Rearm was made way longer

[lethal dagger]

does gatling lock onto anything?

[honest acorn]

This is orbital Gatling barrage not sentry sorry

[lethal dagger]

oh lol

[honest acorn]

I think that’s definitely possible

I mean it as a point of comparison

I think it’s fucking stupid that 120/380 are on 240s CDs and eagle rearm is on a 150s CD after you’ve dropped 3-5 strikes

[blissful sparrow]

oop yeah. Orbital gatling does have the benefit of not instantly killing you with the scatter modifier to airburst^^

[honest acorn]

Without upgrades you almost get 3 500kg bombs in the time you get 1 380mm

[pale remnant]

Yeah, makes orbitals pretty unappealing

[stone bridge]

I mean, to be fair the 380mm is way different

If you mean the Railcannon yeah

I agree

[honest acorn]

I just picked it cause it has a big boom

[lethal dagger]

orbital precision is the direct competitor to 500kg imo

[honest acorn]

It could be 6 Eagle airstrikes

(I think that’s 2 before the capacity upgrade?)

[blissful sparrow]

yup, 2 (+1)

[hot meadow]

I hadn’t thought of this, but it’s a really funny idea now that you mention it.

[stiff pine]

I agree that orbitals feel a little too long given how strong eagles are

[lethal dagger]

do you mean 2 in that timeframe or before resupply?

[stiff pine]

I see lots of high level teams just sprinting solo and eagling everything

[blissful sparrow]

2 before resupply, i ain't doing math for cooldowns

[lethal dagger]

it's 1 500kg before upgrade

[honest acorn]

Honestly I’m not doing the math well

[blissful sparrow]

it is 2 airstrikes

[lethal dagger]

oh airstrikes sorry nvm

[honest acorn]

Eagle rearm is 90 seconds shorter than 380mm is the short version

[hot meadow]

The changes to chargers are immense

Made the game so much more fun

[lethal dagger]

the 380s are things you don't have to think about, you throw them into an area, leave, then come back to cleanup

[hot meadow]

Had like 6 chargers show up in short order on one run tonight and it didn’t feel nearly as bad

[pale remnant]

My friend was saying he found the eat heashots super satisfying

I still just hit em with the good old flamer

[granite rivet]

Briar got to watch me get wrekt at a difficulty 7 extraction when everyone else was dead and the shuttle was almost there. There was a whole nest of stalkers and like 3 bile titans all at once lmao

Lost 3 super samples, feels bad.

[lethal dagger]

i think EATs outperform RR overall unless there's a +50% cooldown modifier

someone on youtube proposed a change where any teammate can assist your reload even if you're wearing the backpack, and i hope the developers test that out

[pale remnant]

that'd be nice

[hot meadow]

EATs to one shot a charger make me feel so cool lol

[lethal dagger]

it might be a bit too strong admittedly

[hot meadow]

But yeah I think they’re way better than recoilless as a result

Since they give you room to have a backpack, and a different support weapon

[honest acorn]

I increasingly feel like it wouldn’t

It’s really hard to keep the pair going and no other weapon needs buddy loading half as much

Spear in theory wants it but it’s so long ranged you can usually self reload ime

[lethal dagger]

spear reload also feels faster

might be wrong about that

but on precise shots it only needs one rocket instead of 2

[honest acorn]

I don’t think it is but it feels faster to me as well

[lethal dagger]

while RR always needs 2 headshots on bile titans

[honest acorn]

I think it’s possible to do in 1 but you need to railgun trick it

And that’s really hard with a weapon as slow to aim as the RR

[lethal dagger]

i still don't know if the railgun 1 shot thing was intended or a bug if playstation players were hosting the game

on one hand i kind of like having stuff be discovered by the community, on the other hand aaargh

[honest acorn]

It seemed fairly consistent across a bunch of weapons at least

Though I play on PlayStation haha

I saw an eagle strafing run do it once

[stone bridge]

Imho the RR in a coordinated gunner/loader team smokes EATs

Sheerly due to the uptime and the responsiveness of the weapon

I've noticed EATs has a small delay between pulling it up to aim and being able to fire that the RR doesn't have

[quick plinth]

wow- even solo, the game decided my connection to the server was bad

[stone bridge]

If you're a solo operator EATs puts the RR to bed for sure

[quick plinth]

yeah, there's a bit of a windup

[stone bridge]

But a good team will dome 3 chargers in 10 seconds without breaking a sweat

[quick plinth]

if someone is willing to reload the RR yeah

[stone bridge]

Yeah I think you gotta run it as a team

[quick plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mCIIGXV4w

huh

of course it blocks the acid attacks of bugs

but charger, charges?

also as bait

didn't really think of it

[stone bridge]

Holy shit, it ricochets bile titan acid

[merry cosmos]

Helldivers 2 without the music is a completely different vibe

[lethal dagger]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rgdxhoNOhU&pp=ygUdcmVjb2lsbGVzcyByaWZsZSBoZWxsZGl2ZXJzIDI%3D|| gameplay of the sickle and grenade pistol

[stone bridge]

ough it can close bug holes...

[lethal dagger]

||grenade pistol has 8 shots, looks amazing for bug holes||

[stone bridge]

I guess at this point Arrowhead have done the smart thing and are just giving content creators early access to stuff

Which is by far the best way they can control leaks

Good stuff

[quick plinth]

I don't think I've ever been set more times on fire in a single match than I just have by that lvl 17 super citizen with their breaker incidieary

man must've had like 3 accidentals purely from that

[lethal dagger]

helps that like 1 pellet will set you on fire

[quick plinth]

also the tox cloud has like, a deceptively large range

[quick plinth]

trying that out rn, and you're right

it feels like a completely different game

[glad marsh]

Good ol' sickle, me likey

[quick plinth]

medic light armor seems to be the best for bugs

by the simple virtue that armor means nothing against bugs and both the additional stims and the duration effect means you're more likely to stim your way out of a bad situation like a hunters getting on top of you, or just stimming through stalker attacks

[blissful sparrow]

i'm a fan of light throwing armor. Its just so comfortable to throw an airstrike into a bughole from downtown

[eager pine]

So SHield Relays are good for bugs too apparently: https://youtu.be/R6mCIIGXV4w?si=ETENa20G6f1acLkZ

[quick plinth]

yes

[stone bridge]

yes

[barren iron]

I think people say that the automatons serve the purpose of human rebels but

I think humans rebels would act a lot differently to the automatons

[graceful bluff]

I mean, the cyborgs in the first game were human rebels, automatons are slave liberators

[barren iron]

I just played this game without music

it's... strange

[quick plinth]

yeah

its honestly a whole different experience

[eager pine]

Damn, now I kinda wanna try it just to see what it's like.

[quick plinth]

Any <@&1206091872716595200> feeling like spreading some managed democracy?

[stone bridge]

https://www.tumblr.com/helldivers-2/744762053633490944/new-boosters?source=share

Hoh

[barren iron]

sure

[quick plinth]

activity one it is then

Servers are at capacity

zamn

[blissful sparrow]

the Localization Booster adds more Languages to your enemies UIs so they have to fiddle with setting their language for longer

hate having to scroll through 8 million languages to find english when setting up my battle armor

[stone bridge]

Lmao

The most fiendish booster

[sinful bay]

Also, a person tested armor and, indeed, heavy armor works now, but no helmet protects against headshots and most enemies go for headshots so is very inconsistent.
Not being hit is still the best strat A:

Shame i love heavy

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> It's pricy, but there's a Fortfied Medium armor in the cash shop atm.

[hexed steeple]

:o

[cobalt patrol]

400 Super credits\

[graceful bluff]

isn't there one of those in the passes?

[stone bridge]

mother of god

[quartz cloak]

You start with fortified medium

[graceful bluff]

lmao

[quartz cloak]

That's the like, starting armour you get

[cobalt patrol]

No, Fortified is different.

[quartz cloak]

Oh
Oh that one!

[cobalt patrol]

Fortified is Recoil reduce + Reduce explosion damage

[barren iron]

fortified is explosive resistance and recoil

[quartz cloak]

I actually have it already, yeah, it's good

[cobalt patrol]

Which is *really fucking good * vs bots

the starter armor is Extra Padding

[quartz cloak]

Nevermind, I have a different one
But it's also good

[cobalt patrol]

which is just "Your armor is a tier heigher for armor"

[graceful bluff]

just face check devestator rockets in light armor like I've been doing

I have no idea how I've been doing it

[barren iron]

I'm a bigger fan of the heavy fortified

[quartz cloak]

Blind luck

The Chonkulator 9k?

[sinful bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntp6SJ58Lsk

[cobalt patrol]

It's just a little slow for me.

I really like to motor around the map\

but light forfited is way too squishy

the armor makes a very distinct difference even with the explosions

Fortified helps a ton

[sinful bay]

jetpack + light armor is so good

They should add more stuff to heavy armor to make it worth it, be like the payday 2 armor stat (where is like an extra healthbar that regens very slowly) or something else

[cobalt patrol]

Mainly it's the stagger that's killer on it.

[quick plinth]

I don't see a reason to get medium fortified tbh

[cobalt patrol]

thatr is, you get stagger regardless

[sinful bay]

That too

[cobalt patrol]

Because light fortfied is still stupid squishy, and heavy fortified is very tanky, but very slow

so if yo uwnat to move and not be squishy, Med's right there.

[sinful bay]

Headshots being the same dmg no matter what kinda kills it

[quick plinth]

the 30% recoil reduction while crouching doesnt seem like that of a great buff

[cobalt patrol]

It's very noticable depending on gun.

[quick plinth]

the AC maybe

[cobalt patrol]

But it's mainly all about the explosive resist

which lets yo usruvive a bunch of shit

[hexed steeple]

recoil reduction crazy good i don’t leave home without it

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Come destroy the bugeois

[quick plinth]

imo I prefer the light armor with the extra padding buff for bots, while the medic light armor is great for bugs

the extra recoil reduction doesnt really help me due to my loadouts

[quick plinth]

I just got done staring at the "servers at capacity" screen before giving up

[sinful bay]

Light armor medic is addictive

The longer stim duration really makes you feel like a god

[stone bridge]

Yeah I've in part become a ride or die fan of the medium medic armour

The longevity you get is whack

[sinful bay]

Buy the light medic armor if you can
Is longevity + SPEED

[stone bridge]

Nah I find it too squishy

I'm Medium by choice

[sinful bay]

oh! Fair

[quick plinth]

I mean I mostly run the light medic for bugs

armor doesnt matter there anyway

and for bots its the padded light armor for the speed and some modicum of survivability

[stone bridge]

It does still matter

Medium has saved me in scenarios where Light would have gotten me killed

[quick plinth]

not in my experience at least

[stone bridge]

Sure, but in mine

[quick plinth]

ive ran heavy padded against bugs, just to see if I'd feel a difference.

most of them deal basically the same damage from what I could tell, feelings wise anyway

ive got no stats to back my very limited experience

[sinful bay]

It was tested here, the main problem is the headshot damage

here we have

M a t h

not really

[stone bridge]

I do think the bug headshot damage is like

Really stupid

[sinful bay]

yeah, melee attacks should not headshot

[hexed steeple]

i think it's kinda goofy in gnereal like that's what the. helmet for

[sinful bay]

Drip

[stone bridge]

Against bots it's annoying but dealable with, since the majority of their attacks don't deal exorbitant extra damage on HS and you can position properly to avoid it

On bugs it feels like a complete dice roll

[sinful bay]

Yeah, you are fighting against animation spam + game latency

[stone bridge]

In general I'm starting to come around to the opinion that bugs need a couple of tweaks to give a smoother and more engaging experience

[sinful bay]

As someone that mostly play against bots
Fighting bugs felt really weird

[barren iron]

I play both fairly equally

doing bugs way more

[sinful bay]

Is there a way to destroy bug holes without grenades or orbital strike?

[merry cosmos]

The democracy officer has a personal sauna

[hexed steeple]

airstrike, autocannon, GL etc

[blissful sparrow]

anything explosive

[sinful bay]

I really need that GL assap

[stone bridge]

If bug attacks were affected more by armour, didn't randomly headshot, and the 7 unique things Hunters do got redistributed among the rest of the Terminid infantry, they'd immediately be in a better place I think

[barren iron]

hunters aren't that crazy

they just like, kill you quick

with a bunch of attacks at once

[blissful sparrow]

also hellpods, with support weapons or people also destroy bugholes if they hit directly in

[stone bridge]

No Hunters carry the entire roster

[hexed steeple]

did brood commanders suddenly get like a big charge and stuff. i've never seen them do that before last patch

[barren iron]

they've had that forever

just rare

[graceful bluff]

they do it pmuch without fail if you behead em

[sinful bay]

oh! Neat.
I ask because yesterday me and a new player friend almost failed a 5m mission because we kinda
Needed to destroy 1 more bug hole and we were out of nades and if we were a few seconds too late we might not be able to?

[stone bridge]

They:

• fly
• leap at close range
• dodge and juke attacks
• attack much more aggressively than other Terminid infantry
• apply a high slow
• I think the tongue attack does something?

[merry cosmos]

They fly now?

[stone bridge]

the fly is the huge leap they do to get close

[oblique storm]

They don't really do that, the small ones do

[stone bridge]

they also leap in at close range much faster

I don't mean stalkers

Anyway, my point is

[hexed steeple]

hunters are goofy yea they're too loaded while all the other bugs are just kinda crawling around like idiots

[stone bridge]

You can probably count how many times your death was directly caused by non-Hunter infantry in the single to low double digits

And Hunter deaths are 4 to 5 times that number

[stone bridge]

yeah I want the other bugs to have funny tricks

I'm not saying bugs are OP or anything, I just want that power to be more evenly distributed

[quick crown]

The new mission type is a lot of fun

It feels good to like actually get a little bit of setup time to throw down turrets and stuff before starting it up

It made me bringing mines feel really useful and still has a fear factor. We did one on 5 and another on 6 i could see myself doing it on progressively harder difficulties because EATS and SPEAR both feel like they had their place now that EATs kill chargers WAY more reliably

First time i brought mines eats spear and cluster than the second time i brought spear eats cluster and Rail Cannon because i was worried we would get titan swarmed

[oblique storm]

I mean tbh I think warriors having the thing of "you think they're dead but surprise fuck you fuck you fuck you" is like

fine

[sinful bay]

always double tap

[quick crown]

Who are the jumping tongue guys again

Pouncers? Hunters?

They hurt but i've gotten used to their weird hurtboxes

[oblique storm]

hunters

Sntalkers are the REALLY big ones that are invisible

Stalkers

[quick crown]

Yeah

[merry cosmos]

Klendathu jumping beans

[quick crown]

I also think they buffed their invisibility or unbugged it

Because i saw one vanish and i was like legit big fear where did it go

[merry cosmos]

Alternatively.
Terran jumping beans

[quick crown]

Which i mean i could still make it out but it was a lot tougher to so thats cool

[sinful bay]

Be me, missing a shot but hiting a a stalker I didn't see it coming

DEMOCRACY DELIVERED
⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

[merry cosmos]

||democratussy||

[sinful bay]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-tts-warhammer-wh40k-40k-gif-17132610

[quick crown]

⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

oh speaking of

the towers during that defense mission take friendly fire

Which is cool

[cobalt patrol]

I actually find it worse on bots, because bugs yo ucan avoid (*somewhat)

bots may just be like LOL HEADSHOT

[cobalt patrol]

It goes Pouncers (the little ones, have yellow wings), Hunters (Medium ones, have orange wings, a light tounge attack), Stalkers (Come from a dedicated sub-objective, have red wings, stripes, tounge attack smashes you flying, can cloak)

[sinful bay]

Nothing feels better than a bot missing a rocket while he's 2 meters from you

[quick plinth]

the leapers? pouncers? fly

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Send Dudes

[quick plinth]

hunters lunge at short range

[sinful bay]

Leaping and flying are two very different things tho

[quick plinth]

the pouncers effectively fly

[sinful bay]

dang

[quick plinth]

considering how far they can well

pounce

but hunters do be overloaded yeah

considering they're the only semi intelligent bug beyond stalkers

everything else is just chaff that screens for them

if you don't clear the chaff eventually it overwhelms you

if you don't prioritise the hunters they just jump on you, slow you and murder you

[merry cosmos]

You mean little gremlins who shouldn't be trusted around heavy ordinance?

[graceful bluff]

Those too

[hexed steeple]

i think it should be eitehr high damage or slow, not both. like it feels kinda wack that they get to do both

[merry cosmos]

(Sense most helldivers are fresh out of high-school. This is probably cannon for most of them)

[quartz cloak]

So, we know the new bond is dropping tomorrow, but does anyone know at what time exactly?

[oblique storm]

I mean I think most of the bugs deal high damage because like

you have guns

they do not

[blissful sparrow]

previous patches all dropped around Noon Sweden time

[merry cosmos]

Assuming midnight sweden time

[quartz cloak]

I'm gonna take the two opposite answers as 'we have no clue'

[blissful sparrow]

so far every patch they have made has dropped on the same hour. <t:1710410400:t>

Noone is gonna deploy a new big patch into production at Midnight of their own office time

[stone bridge]

aren't arrowhead french

[blissful sparrow]

Swedish

[autumn plover]

I thought they were...Yeah that lol

[stone bridge]

No idea where I got that idea from

🥖

[stoic lotus]

🇫🇷 🫵

[merry cosmos]

🏳️‍🌈?

[oblique storm]

If you notice, the Super Earth logo is centered on Sweden

also canonically the capital of Super Earth is in Sweden (right where Stockholm is) and is called "Prosperity City"

[stone bridge]

Lmao

Well there you go

[merry cosmos]

Should i laugh at this?

[oblique storm]

yes

[blissful sparrow]

atleast they didn't call it Prospero :)

[merry cosmos]

All have become Sweden. And here i sit laughing

[stoic lotus]

hello helldiverers btw I am now one of you

game is downloading

[quartz cloak]

There's also the 'emergency seed storage' in Svalbard which I'm about 75% sure is some kind of crude joke about Norwegians.

[stone bridge]

Welcome to the party

[quick crown]

Welcome to the corps

Good luck on your training.

[stoic lotus]

thank you

[merry cosmos]

Welcome to hell and prepare to die

[stark ether]

i mean the seed vault is a thing

[barren iron]

yeah it's the seed vault

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault

[stark ether]

its weird that it made it on the map but it is real

[barren iron]

it shows the government cares about earth

duh

[stoic lotus]

emergency """seed""" (nuclear weapon) storage

[stark ether]

i dont think SE needs secret nuclear weapon storage

they are probably quite proud of all of them

[sinful bay]

Remember the first rule of gun safety:
Have fun

[merry cosmos]

Your assuming its supposed to be launched rather than remotely detonated

[stoic lotus]

don't worry I've played arma

when I accidentally put a match grade .338 lapua magnum round through one of my teammates it's usually only their shoulder

[stark ether]

omggggggg the number of times i've been doing medic stuff (as the head medic and announced i'm going to move them) and go to move someone (which force closes the medic window) and then someone puts a round through them because noone in arma uses safeties

[sinful bay]

https://youtu.be/9m48aLMwkp4?si=uOY7kEUi18dDxRQn so you know how to dodge, good.

[stoic lotus]

our gang just like dressing up weird and it means I sometimes can't tell them apart from the enemy at a glance 1500m away with my autism vision

[stoic lotus]

lmao what the fuck is going on here

[blissful sparrow]

well, you are lucky.
most helldivers tend to look quite different from a terminid

[oblique storm]

why am i being posted as a meme

[stoic lotus]

voy what were you doing here

[oblique storm]

flying around

getting hit by an apc

[stoic lotus]

[sinful bay]

No but for real
Q let's you mark stuff
While you have the map open, hold M2 to move the cursor around the mark and mark stuff with M1

Diving puto ut flames
To destroy the robot factory , grenade on the top vents or when the door opens

[stoic lotus]

📝

[sinful bay]

Hold X to show a wheel of the stuff you are carrying, selecting stuff on that wheel lets you drop it.
Holding Q opens a wheel of emotes, like thank you, yes, follow me, etc.

Headshots does extra damage, to you and the enemies.
Resupply stratagem is a team stratagem and everyone share the Cooldown
Enemies do have different kinds of armor, light, medium and heavy, but they also weakpojnts.
If you complete the objective but fail to extract it still a mission complete but you don't get any samples you collected

Hold R to show extra options for your weapons
M2 and Down M3 (mouse wheel) change the options

[meager sandal]

Another tip is Autocannon can blow up bot factories by ricocheting it off the top of the vent, means you can blow them up from miles away

[quick plinth]

<@&1206091872716595200> 1 replacement to Activity 1

[stoic lotus]

I'll be around after I finish eating lunch

[graceful bluff]

72013868

[hexed steeple]

@delicate aspen

[fringe quiver]

Oh so that's how it's done.

What other weapons can do it? I try using the mech but it only worked once for me

[delicate aspen]

danke

[sinful bay]

The true sniper...

[quick plinth]

automatic grenade launcher(AGL) most likely, but besides that and the autocannon(AC) I'm not sure

lots of stratagems w/ a good throwing arm

[sinful bay]

General Brasch said I have a catapult arm!
So we can throw extra good! 😄

[idle hollow]

i want a mounted grenade launcher so bad

[meager sandal]

Grenade launcher as well I'm 99% sure, think the issue with the mech is that an explosive has to go into the vent not just explode in top of it

[blissful sparrow]

any explosive damage (except basic explosive primaries) can kill spawners, its just usually hard to get the hitbox for it deep inside

[idle hollow]

this thing

[quick plinth]

I mean

we already have it

the grenade launcher we lug around is that

but you just use 10 grenade belts instead of drums

maybe the jeep once it comes can have different weapons mounted on top

[dusty spruce]

Hellpods can also destroy nests and fabricators. Out of grenades, no strategems left that can destroy nests, support weapon can't do it? Just call in a backpack to close up that hole

[blissful sparrow]

just shoot your friend in the head :)

they even get a grenade resupply

[meager sandal]

Do hellpods destroy fabs even if you don't land on a vent?

[quick plinth]

yes

[sinful bay]

That would be an hell of an entrance

[upbeat vector]

It kills you though

[unreal merlin]

Not always! I managed to not die from it once. Very likely though.

[upbeat vector]

If you land on one, you'll get out of the pod into the explosion

[stoic lotus]

220128949

[idle hollow]

that’s what i mean

I can’t do sustained obliteration of an area because i only get ten shots

I need m o r e

[quick plinth]

as I said, maybe the jeep will give us better but mounted versions

[keen zinc]

The American Mk19 is another one

And it is probably my funnest experience firing a gun in the army

Thoomp thoomp thoomp boom boom boom

[burnt vapor]

I heard that got changed in the patch last week I think?

[oblique storm]

I have 2 personal orders

and I have no idea how the fuck to finish one of them

it's stretched to the bottom

[vestal trail]

As other people have stated, the GL can also do it, but most other explosive options require more precision to get into the vents. Ironically I think the Autocannon is the most consistent entirely because of the ricochet.

[fringe quiver]

Hmm

[quick plinth]

but the best way to deal with small and medium bot bases is to just chuck a stratagem and leave

110mm pods, 500kg bomb, laser orbital strike (for bigger bases)

[blissful sparrow]

yesterday was kill 15 devestators

[vestal trail]

Air strike is a workhorse against bots, and the various explosive Barrages can also work, but are inconsistent due to their random saturation.

[oblique storm]

I guess I gotta fight bots

[vestal trail]

The Sky Beam (as @quick plinth mentioned) can be very effective against larger bases because a well placed throw will just carve through the entire facility, prioritizing the spawners on occasion.

Orbital Railgun can also destroy factories, but it's better used to take out Cannon Towers or Tanks

[quick plinth]

hulks

[vestal trail]

The Spear also has value for sniping factories

[quick plinth]

however the Spear has the issue of being as inconsistent as possible

[vestal trail]

Truth, the lock-on is an inconsistent bastard

[quick plinth]

and absolutely mocking me by locking fully and then slowly unlocking a target

[merry cosmos]

Who do you think is more likely to invade super earth?

[quick plinth]

the illuminate

[merry cosmos]

Consider that the bots have a literal trail directly to super earth in the shape of a lighting bolt

[quick plinth]

the bots only care about liberating cyberstan

the bugs cant space travel on their own

[vestal trail]

Honestly yeah, introducing the Illuminate with a surprise invasion seems like a very on point event

[barren iron]

yes but it is not mounted

and has crazy ass recoil

[quick plinth]

please read further down (I mentioned maybe we'll get the jeep and be able to have a mounted version)

[idle hollow]

I just went with the AGS-30 because I couldn’t think of the American one’s name

also drums > boxes aesthetically

[vestal trail]

Holy shit guys, the Termicide contains di-hydrogen monoxide!

[keen zinc]

Unofficial forged document

[blissful sparrow]

love the artificial flavor

actually, kinda disappointing there is no LD50 value for the artificial flavor

[merry cosmos]

What does that exist for?

[keen zinc]

Lethal dose value

Iirc

[blissful sparrow]

Lethal Dose in 50% of cases

[keen zinc]

And this is on human subjects

[merry cosmos]

No what is artificial flavor doing in the pesticide

[keen zinc]

Killing humans for pesticide testing

[keen zinc]

For Helldivers

[merry cosmos]

Are they eating the pesticides?

[keen zinc]

Our gas makes don't work

So we get a nice refreshing taste of Tang

Also makes the bugs want to eat it

[sinful bay]

oh

So
Everyone agree as soon as we activate the terminal the pesticide will deploy with a ton of helldivers still on the planets?

[copper crest]

So that you know if it gets in your mouth. (Do not get it in your mouth)

[meager sandal]

oh straight up it does, you get fumigated while waiting for evac

also from npc dialogue termicide is just basic pest control

literally a big spray can

[quick plinth]

its almost like helldivers are disposable target designators for their super destroyer

[merry cosmos]

Then who is the actual captain

[sinful bay]

Probably the guy that greets you during the map selection or someone entirely hidden.

[graceful bluff]

yohan you wanna dive?

[merry cosmos]

You mean the democracy officer

[merry cosmos]

Im waiting for something so no

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> doing some 6's

[sinful bay]

yes him

[merry cosmos]

He has a personal sauna

[quick plinth]

the super destroyer is yours to commmand as a helldiver, but it gets immediately transfered to the next one in line

seeing all the ones on ice in the pods

[merry cosmos]

How many does one hold at a time?

20?

200

2000

20000

[blissful sparrow]

well, 5 on quick thaw. and then probably a bunch in deep storage

[sinful bay]

Should be 6
Then it would a revolver!:D

[keen zinc]

That's not true

We are also button pushers and lever pullers

This is essential for maintaining E-710 facilities and other infrastructure

In a cost efficient and budget friendly way

[sinful bay]

Probably door stoppers too

[blissful sparrow]

the 6th one is you already

[keen zinc]

Based on the size of the rockets leaving Mars

If each SD gets a rocket to stock up

Probably between 30-100 Helldivers per SD

[quick plinth]

also after play one (1) match with someone loading the RR for me, I have come to the conclusion it is goated with the sauce

[keen zinc]

I just wish you could assist reload with the gunner wearing the pack

[quick plinth]

yeah that'd be nice

just asking someone to "reload me" in the middle of combat would be nice without having to either drop the pack or just having to have that person lugging it around

[keen zinc]

Requiring you to tax a teammates backpack slot is bad

[steady bone]

I Wish I could walk around while being reloaded.

The teammate is now attached to me, and we live and die together, so I want to run with them to the hills.

[keen zinc]

You can kinda shuffle around but it's iffy

Playing Helldivers on my steam deck via Xfinity Mobile hotspot

This is real deal shirking

Another reason to drop on Extract: can place a mech there and have it off cooldown for the second deployment so you can have two mechs for evac

[quick plinth]

@keen zinc perfect symbiosis would be the ammo carrier taking a laser dog for the launcher carrier to have

[keen zinc]

That just seems like a lot of steps that could be avoided by just having a better assist method

[honest acorn]

supply pack is also good here

[sinful bay]

GASP
We trully are armed like an revolver!

[glacial light]

Are we the one in the chamber?

[keen zinc]

I wonder if my phone hotspot could work in multiplayer

🤔

[glacial light]

Helldiver Russian roulette

Spin the Helldivers in the chamber

[sinful bay]

So when you play multiplayer it becomes buckshot?

[glacial light]

Shove 4 helldiver pods into 1 barrel

[keen zinc]

Well they don't all fire at once

[glacial light]

Even though I know we all have our own barrel in game and some reason deploy from 1 ship while the 3 others site there

[keen zinc]

It's more like a burst

[dusty spruce]

Where is the discount 380, but they just load surplus hellpods.

[sinful bay]

Make the ship do a barrel roll and THEN fire for extra effect

||...WHAT DO YOU MEAN ONE OF THEM WAS SHOT INTO THE SUN?!||

[glacial light]

Reinforcements have become the new teamkill meta

[keen zinc]

I always throw a cluster before a reinforcement

[sinful bay]

I love how the game is so brand new and there is already so many doom sayers

[keen zinc]

Sweep the area for safety 🙂

[barren iron]

is that

30 mil views

what

I know that's not english

so maybe I'm just going wild

[sinful bay]

30k

[barren iron]

ok

ok

[glacial light]

Is that imperial or metric views

[barren iron]

LOL

[glacial light]

New loadout for bugs is cluster, arc thrower, mortar, Tesla tower

I am fighting on the side of bugs

[honest acorn]

I wound up turning that one off pretty fast haha

Such a lame one haha

[sinful bay]

Yeah I already asked youtube to not recommend that channel again haha

[honest acorn]

Those are all goated except the mortar imo

[glacial light]

The latest patch was like fairly minor too

People be making and buying ragebait like wild

[sinful bay]

Some people will be like cats and start to scream at the sight of change

[glacial light]

I think they change EATs to one shot chargers, add bosses, add illuminate, change it from 3rd person to birds eye perspective, and name it Helldivers 1

[sinful bay]

cat

have sink cat

[dusty spruce]

The Spray&Pray still isn't that great against bots, but it's the fun kind of not great.

It is strangely good at killing Berserker waves tho

[graceful bluff]

||https://fxtwitter.com/HelldiversAlert/status/1767839691146141740|| hnnng

[unreal merlin]

YEAAAAAH GET SOME

[honest acorn]

Berserkers are a bug enemy which wound up on the wrong team it feels like haha

[rotund marten]

for some reason the little "x5" kills popup in that is very funny

bombs to kills ratio not great

[alpine seal]

the strongest teamkill in history vs the strongest teamkill of today

[dusty spruce]

Hopefully it'll be a good base clearer, something like what the 380 is meant to be (but probably on a limited use/long cooldown)

[graceful bluff]

Give me an arc strike

[keen zinc]

I hate this account

[graceful bluff]

just embedding a fuckload of lightning rods in an area and then shooting an electric charge down, bouncing to anything nearby

[keen zinc]

That account just steals content from other places and reposts them without credit

[dusty spruce]

https://fxtwitter.com/helldivers2/status/1767943930115485771

Something from the official twitter

[glacial light]

Mother of all kills stratagems

There is no call-out that'll save you

[sinful bay]

The satire is so on the nose it hurts when you see people that don't get it

[idle hollow]

it’s called STROHMANN for gods sake

Straw Man

[sinful bay]

I didn't notice that HAH

[honest acorn]

That's higher than the minimum needed to be a helldiver lol

[sinful bay]

temporarily

[dusty spruce]

my theory here is that either the termicide will go wrong almost immediately and just give the bugs super mutations, or they'll be stalled for a little while Arrowhead either does something big with the Automatons (like a push to Cyberstan) or brings out the Illuminate while the bugs are on pause in order to give everyone time to get used to the new enemies before bringing on the three front war

[honest acorn]

Even before the towers were up my ship tech was talking about how it "wasn't a problem" that some termanids were proving adaptable to the termacide

Not like they evolve very fast or anything

[sinful bay]

oh so a boss is underway, nice

[idle hollow]

you’ve been seeing the corpse of the bug boss from the last game

the hive lord

[dusty spruce]

Are those corpses?
||or just molts?||

[sinful bay]

o

[tidal wing]

wait wat

[keen zinc]

Yeah they had termanids developing resistance during testing

And thought yeah field deploy that shit LMAO

[quick plinth]

how are there already so many youtubers going "BAD UPDATE, BAD UPDATE EVERYTHING SUCKS"

[sinful bay]

because change is scawy

[keen zinc]

The Helldivers community

[dusty spruce]

rage bait drives clicks really well

[quick plinth]

makes sense but why

why make so much negative content

are so many that cynical

[sinful bay]

yes

[dusty spruce]

it's far easier to push out that content than other material

[honest acorn]

One of the easiest ways to get eyes on your stuff in the gaming sphere is to complain about something or talk about how it's "broken"

And yeah its really easy to make compared with actual analysis because that requires things like "being good at the game" or "thinking about things" which make the video take more time to produce :p

[dusty spruce]

Also, have some links from the official discord. Both are good ways to monitor the galactic war
https://helldiverstrainingmanual.com/
https://helldiverscompanion.com/

[sinful bay]

Meanwhile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzmdSPMiLSg
You have kings like him

[honest acorn]

Also I have time for an op <@&1206091872716595200> if anyone is free this random wednesday

[merry cosmos]

30% of the helldivers community

[dusty spruce]

I really like some stuff by a youtuber called 'WayaliciousTV'
The titles are a little click-baity but the actual content is 'this stuff is good, here is how to use it'

[keen zinc]

One more workday to get through

[sinful bay]

https://helldiverstrainingmanual.com/stratagems/interactive-practice hell yeah

[keen zinc]

My weekend begins on the same day as the new warbond drop

[sinful bay]

noice

[merry cosmos]

Ive got some civilian research to do for the sake of the war effort
(College homework)

[keen zinc]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/orqaIUc1HQ

<@&1206091872716595200>

Destroying all Outposts INCREASES the amount of patrol spawns

[upbeat vector]

What

[merry cosmos]

Nonsensical

[fringe quiver]

That doesn't make much sense

I understand like

Time in mission going down increases spawns

[hexed steeple]

bwuh

[keen zinc]

Time also has no effect on enemy density, it's all about area of influence, Outpost, objectives, and heat

[keen zinc]

It doesn't!

Very funny stuff here

So basically,: only destroy Heavy Outposts, and any near Extract

Do not go after every light and medium outpost on the edges of the map

[sinful bay]

.
But
EXP...

[keen zinc]

You are just alerting the enemy to send enemies to the AO

[sinful bay]

So in the end
Stealth is king again

Headband helmet when

[keen zinc]

I am level 50 and I have never gone for them or even unlocked Helldive

You just get it over time you do not need to be a completionist

[sinful bay]

Chad fun seeker enjoyer

An example for us all

[merry cosmos]

Virgin complesonist vs chad speedruner

[fringe quiver]

Then what about that one mission tip?
🤔

[keen zinc]

It's wrong

Just like so many others

[sinful bay]

funseeker*
Is not about being fast
Is about doing what is the most fun

[merry cosmos]

Just like the primer

[fringe quiver]

[oblique storm]

okay the new terminid mission is fucking

intense

it's awful

it never ends

[honest acorn]

I don’t think this is really accurate - it increases the global baseline but reduces heat

[keen zinc]

Because, technically, as you complete objectives and destroy Outposts, the mission does get higher enemy density

And these things do take time

[sinful bay]

S-So... he was not impressed with my catapult arm?

[honest acorn]

I think this is probably the most important takeaway

For example, if 4 players were all over 75 meters away from any other player, you have essentially quadrupled the spawn rate because every Player Group is spawning their own separate Patrol.

[merry cosmos]

I for one like it when my teammates arnt preforming blue on blue violence on the fucking towers

[keen zinc]

Heat which will spike at any objective or at extraction no matter what

[fringe quiver]

Like uhh

[quick plinth]

okay but Amko, consider the following

a completely clean map gives me the good brain chemicals

[fringe quiver]

What I noticed is the more time players spent in the same area

The more likely they got swarmed

[quick plinth]

yeah

heat

the game sends patrols to where you hang around alot

[keen zinc]

The answer is stay as a group, complete objectives

[fringe quiver]

What about having a player generate heat away from the OBJ?

[upbeat vector]

So the ideal way to play is to do as little as you can each mission?

[quick plinth]

in my experience its better to split into groups of two, and clear the map that way (allowing for most PoIs to get cleared and bases)

[keen zinc]

Hitting heavy bases can be good because Automaton heavy bases produce tanks

[quick plinth]

I mean we are basically deep strike teams, getting bogged down fighting every clanker and bug isnt something we should be doing

[upbeat vector]

Touche

[quick plinth]

not that I don't do that because its fun around diff 6 - 7

anything above and you really gotta consider if you can quickly wipe them and the following call in or not

[fringe quiver]

I want to play higher difficulties, but I just unlocked extreme and it's frustrating at times to be stuck at 40 fps

[honest acorn]

I think that’s down to patrols being spawned to walk into the players at some future point - so if you sit still more will come

[quick plinth]

basically HD2 tries everything it can to get you into a fight

which is why its important to know how to throw the patrols off your trail (throwing nades, distracting with stratagems)

[oblique storm]

CAN YOU FF THE TOWERS?

[quick plinth]

yes

[rare nymph]

Yup

[quick plinth]

you can blue on blue the batteries

[oblique storm]

Impossible mission

[rare nymph]

I love it when my teammates call air strikes on the towers

[quick plinth]

could you elaborate?

[rare nymph]

Minefields plus HMG emplacement is a great way to defend while minimizing FF on the tower

I find that poorly placed sentries will sometimes just lay into it

[sinful bay]

thank you kind strangers

[keen zinc]

Sweep secondaries, take out large nests near objectives and extract, collect gubbins and shinies, do objectives, then leave

[quick plinth]

intresting

[sinful bay]

So unless outpost is not near objectives, don't bother?

[quick plinth]

in my experience people rush the main and then do everything else unless its premades and we plan ahead accordingly

[keen zinc]

Exactly

We must have target priority

I've always been doing primaries asap but now I know better

[quick plinth]

if its on the way im gonna

[keen zinc]

We should do secondaries, pois, any Outposts en route to them or near objectives, then objectives and dip

[honest acorn]

I don’t think outpost heat matters that much

[honest acorn]

Clearing every outpost is a whole like 15%

Being near an outpost is 50%

Completing the primary is 400%

It’s by far the smallest factor

[quick plinth]

clearing an outpost may allow for easier map traversal tho

[keen zinc]

Yeah

[quick plinth]

draupnir is famous for funneling you into outposts

[keen zinc]

Clear Outposts but don't go out of your way to clear small ones far from anything

[honest acorn]

Yeah if they’re in the way at all destroying them fast is ideal - but once the primary goes down don’t go out of your way to clear them

[sinful bay]

So leave primary as the Last thing you do

[honest acorn]

Yeah that’s the key really

[keen zinc]

The multipliers may be multiplicative

[honest acorn]

That and staying together

[sinful bay]

interesting

[quick plinth]

the issue is estimating how long its gonna take you to do it

[merry cosmos]

YES

[oblique storm]

I will go out of my way to clear outposts and no one can stop me

[dusty spruce]

I’m normally in the habit of prioritizing the main after a little bit of exploring, since it means the mission is won no matter what. May need to change that, I guess

[keen zinc]

15% multiplicative with 400% could be bad news bears

[merry cosmos]

Its essentially fun with explosives

[honest acorn]

Provided you do it early and fast it doesn’t really matter and makes the “safe area” a lot larger

Since outpost heat is lowkey a very large area

[quick plinth]

unfortunately bugs are harder to hit and run

I can't just throw a 110 on their single outpost building and leave

[keen zinc]

Multiple times people have split off to clear a light outpost in the corner of the map that didn't matter

[quick plinth]

bot outposts are easy

bugs can easily bog you down

[keen zinc]

If that 15% is factored AFTER the 400%, it is a concern that should be taken into account

[quick plinth]

"lets clear this medium nest, 5 minute adventure"

15 minutes and 4 bug breaches later

[strange vine]

doing primaries asap has the benefit that it will be a completed mission even if you all die

thats the benefit

[keen zinc]

Ironically this info is gonna make me clear Outposts more

But still tell people to stop fucking off for corner Outposts

[quick plinth]

I mean

[sinful bay]

That just makes stealth even more king tbh

[quick plinth]

if someone is capable enough to solo outposts why not let them

[keen zinc]

Because if it only makes things worse, why do it

If a light outpost is opposite from anything, why cause the problem

[honest acorn]

Bug outposts are weirdly delinked from how many bug holes they have and their weight

[graceful bluff]

An important thing about the new mission type: ||Restarting the objective instantly starts a new wave, clear the current wave before restarting||

[honest acorn]

I’ve run into mediums with 10 and heavies with 4

[graceful bluff]

makes them a lot easier

[quick plinth]

Potential* Samples

[oblique storm]

It's fun

[keen zinc]

You get zero samples if you all die at extraction

[quick plinth]

you see, I just won't

[graceful bluff]

I will simply choose not to die

shrimple

[quick plinth]

they legally cant make me die at extract

shrimple as that

[keen zinc]

[quick plinth]

tbf whenever I've found myself soloing bot outposts and similar, the entire team was just going around being gurrela menaces and only grouping for objectives and sometimes large bases

[graceful bluff]

yeah

[keen zinc]

Eh I suppose nothing changes

[quick plinth]

someone pulled a bot drop? welp I dont gotta worry then, just go loud and clear this objective I can do quietly

its actually a good strategy to split up because then one team can draw bot drops on purpose

while the other has the tools to deal with any defenders

[keen zinc]

Is good to split into buddy teams

[tidal wing]

grenade pistol is gonna be a must-bring on bug ops

[keen zinc]

All ops

It is the perfect secondary for me

[graceful bluff]

I do really wish all the grenade launchers had a fuse option on the reload screen

[oblique storm]

okay no

[graceful bluff]

being able to switch between impact and timer

[oblique storm]

I think the new terminid missions are bugged

[graceful bluff]

so you can bounce them around corners

[sinful bay]

impact and pipe bombs

tf2 demoman real

[graceful bluff]

Nah people just don't know how they work and that's fucking them over

every time you press the button a new wave spawns, clear out the current wave before pressing it

and don't do multiple at a time because that means a wave for each

[fringe quiver]

Theres

There's a grenade pistol?!

Like

[graceful bluff]

tomorrow

[oblique storm]

No

[fringe quiver]

Shoot grenades that destroys bug nests and fabricators?

[graceful bluff]

single shot grenade launcher

[oblique storm]

It's not people doing it wrong

it's the fact that the spawns are 2000x what they should be

We literally cannot press the fucking button because 500 bugs are on-screen before we even try

[graceful bluff]

I do admit the spawns seem overtuned, but it doesn't help that the average group I've seen so far are dealing with 4+ waves at a time

[keen zinc]

Bring a Stalwart

[graceful bluff]

stalwart and tesla beacon gang

[wind arrow]

what's beacon?

[oblique storm]

I brought a fucking machine gun and it did dog and shit

[graceful bluff]

Comes from pigs I think

[wind arrow]

nvm i'm evidently still waking up

[keen zinc]

Not the MG

The Stalwart

[graceful bluff]

Gas strike is also great on that mission

[keen zinc]

MG has a really bad ammo economy

[junior badge]

I just soloed a 4 of the new mission, so up to that level the spawns are still fine.

[graceful bluff]

(Doesn't hurt mechs or the objective)

[oblique storm]

It doesn't matter what I bring

I literally cannot shoot enough to do the mission

[junior badge]

what diff are you on?

[keen zinc]

Bring me

[sour falcon]

A buddy and I were able to do a 6 but that was after trying it on 8 and getting completely dumpstered because we didn’t have enough ammunition to throw at the bugs

[keen zinc]

I will kill all small enemies with my Stalwart and can-do attitude

[oblique storm]

I'm done

[keen zinc]

I mean when I'm not at work

[sour falcon]

The tide of chitin is unending

[oblique storm]

All day has been just crashing and failing missions and I'm pissed at the game now

[keen zinc]

I will rip and tear

[sour falcon]

A break may be a good idea then

[keen zinc]

Rip and tear their guts

[sinful bay]

Chainsaw when

[junior badge]

My sympathies. I had a day with a ton of crashes too.

[sour falcon]

I do appreciate how completely desperate the mission feels, it does feel like the spawn rate is really high.

[junior badge]

I hope the stability increases in future patches, but it also just varies by randomness.

Other days will be more fun again.

[oblique storm]

It's specifically people leaving

that's making me crash

people rage-quitting

[junior badge]

huh

[graceful bluff]

Please don't play with randoms, it's bad for ones blood pressure

[oblique storm]

Also 100% the spawns are broken if I'm dumping 3 strategems + 3 mags + a sentry and not even making a dent

[lethal dagger]

that's odd, i'm not experiencing that

[graceful bluff]

(also in pubs you can't guarantee that there's not some idiot just spamming every single button in the mission as soon as you're able to, because shiny)

which this really sounds like

[keen zinc]

Yeah they might be FFing the objective and constantly hitting the button and just

Sending a billion waves

[oblique storm]

WE WEREN'T PRESSING THE BUTTON

[graceful bluff]

turrets love friendly firing the objectives

[oblique storm]

We could not press the fucking button

[lethal dagger]

maybe try verifying game files and see if it catches anything

because that's not what me and my friends have been experiencing

[quick plinth]

I dont understand how you could possibly provoke that many bugs

that you cant even press the first button

the map starts with scavengers sure, but they only really call in stuff by the time youre making your way to the first silo

[wind arrow]

y'know, maybe announcing Joel's presence is a funny move to make players paranoid/explain things away like "maybe joel's actually in your game fucking you over?"

[rotund marten]

@raven quarry have you been proposing weapons to Super Earth

[glacial light]

Tesla tower and minefields are actually kind of useful on the new mission

[dusty spruce]

The new mission does have some heavy spawns. Had regular biles on a 5. Was really weird. Me and another were eventually able to do it, but it took a couple tries on the last battery tower

*regular bile titan spawns, for clarity

[glacial light]

I played a diff 7 of it once, realized that strats basically FF the batteries enough to reset it

[dusty spruce]

Yeah, sentries and other defensives are king there, most orbitals are too big to be effective

[quick crown]

Yeah

I love this defensive focused mission

[glacial light]

It kind of helps to split up 1, 1, 2 and have the 2 do the towers while the other solo just activate towers just to attract enemies away from 2

[oak crow]

it was so brutal just playing on hard (5) for my friends. we ended up figuring out that tesla towers were incredibly good, but that it was necessary to focus down chargers and whatnot, who could just knock the teslas down easily.

[quick crown]

The breathing room between each to rearm and set up lanes of coverage

[glacial light]

Not me being solo trying to protect a battery even though it's futile and getting 2 biles and 3 chargers while the rest have no heavies

[oak crow]

i will also warn against using mortar sentries, as the sentries can damage the silos

[quick crown]

It just feels way better thought out than the robot defence missions by far

[dusty spruce]

It’s better but wonky in other ways. Spewers there suck because I think popping will damage the tower

And if you don’t pop them they stick around forever

And eat shots meant for other things

[quick crown]

I kinda kill em all ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lethal dagger]

autocannon sentry destroys spitters like nothing else

[quick crown]

we did it at 6 or 7 last.

[lethal dagger]

also arc thrower trivializes spewers

[quick crown]

Spear was real good against the chargers and the BileTitans

along with the EAT for chargers if you could aim

[lethal dagger]

my team's smoothest run on helldive had like

[oak crow]

autocannon sentry is the only sentry i take, and it more than makes up for not taking another eagle or orbital imo

[lethal dagger]

three of us bring EATs lmao

it was so good

[quick crown]

We had one guy with the Tesla sentry and the other two with general good stuff and cluster

[glacial light]

I think the spawns are kind of close to the towers but I see it as you need to be proactive and take out bugs before they get to the tower, bugs at the tower is damage control and shouldn't be the killzone

[graceful bluff]

I love arc thrower more and more each passing day

[quick crown]

And 2 rail cannons incase biletitans got to be too much

[dusty spruce]

I’m glad more are converting to the Cult of the Holy Arc

[quick crown]

We only had 2 though and one was chasing someone that had pulled away from the tower to check something about the map

I think they buffed the spear honest to god because it used to feel like it had NO range for lockons and now i can aim at a charger like 300 meters away or more

[graceful bluff]

There really should be a mechanic with the tesla tower and the arc thrower

[oak crow]

it doesn't feel good/powerful/fun in my experience, even though it's effective.

[graceful bluff]

you know about the partial charge thing right

[dusty spruce]

Something like letting you shot the tower yourself to extend range/do an aoe or something?

[oak crow]

no, i don't. what is that?

[quick crown]

This man is trying to get the Tesla to kill MORE team mates.

[glacial light]

They do stealth changes I believe, like the hellpods having no control or driving away from high points is one which makes me wonder if it's even intentional or not

[junior badge]

it's so good

[graceful bluff]

every time you do a full charge, you can do like three partial charges and still have full damage

[oak crow]

ahh, interesting

[graceful bluff]

which increases your damage output by so much, it clowns on chargers and pmuch anything in general

[rare nymph]

How does the lock-on work for the spear? I keep getting it to almost lock and then it just loses it

[oak crow]

yeah, no. its a very good weapon. it just doesn't feel nice in the same way that the flamethrower or autocannon does.

[idle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/bushworld-bushworld-adventures-rick-and-morty-doug-dougie-gif-22714239

[graceful bluff]

Heat based lock on, so it's ass at the best of times

[honest acorn]

good fucking question

[junior badge]

It generally struggles to work.

[rare nymph]

Okay, glad it’s not just me

[rotund marten]

90 medals to go before I max out the first warbond

[honest acorn]

You need to petition its machine spirit to please lock the enemy and if you are not found wanting it will permit a shot

[rotund marten]

honestly medal income has skyrocketed in the last week or so since we have personal orders again

[junior badge]

It's probably the least consistent weapon in the game, even with the arc thrower's issues.

[dusty spruce]

I'm one of those that the Spear just hates me

thing refuses to lock-on