Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[keen zinc]

But bugs ARE the don't let them close faction

But I still think scavs and pouncers should have lower pen values, but that's just imo

[cerulean sluice]

It's mean to give the Creek the Enviromental Condition where one's strategems randomly get disabled

[rotund marten]

hunters being sharp little bastards makes some sense but also means I will be continuing light armour spam vs bugs

because nothing that reliably reaches me can be tanked

[honest acorn]

heavy armor can actually tank chargers fairly well

not bile titans though

[stone bridge]

yeah I think bug AP needs tuning

it is stupid high

[golden ledge]

Meteor showers can clear bug nests

[pale remnant]

I'll still probably avoid heavy armour for bugs just so I can run away from big swarms off spewers easier

[rotund marten]

I find if I'm playing 9 and a charger bowls me over I need the Emperor's own luck to avoid being swarmed on the ground anyway, so I'll go with dodging there

[burnt vapor]

I’m of the growing opinion that bugs in general are just much less balanced then bots

[stone bridge]

Its a sentiment I'm also starting to agree with

[pale remnant]

it definitely feels like you can do a bit more vs some of the bot threats

[honest acorn]

That's fair, its just nice to get hit by a Chargers whole combo and stand up with enough HP to pretty much survive it again

[pale remnant]

heavy devs and rocket devs? shoot their mg/launcher off

[honest acorn]

But on 9 there's usually enough shit around to kill you anyway

[pale remnant]

even hulks can be de-armed from the front with a medium pen weapon

[stone bridge]

yeah, the issue comes from Chargers being so polarizing and Hunters being the only real infantry threat

But in an incredibly annoying way

[turbid olive]

THE STRAT TIME INCREASE DOUBLES THE EXTRACTION TIMER

[burnt vapor]

Yeah a lot of bugs just feel unfun and have very few solutions forcing you into a small handful of options

[turbid olive]

just had a near 4 minute wait on extraction

[stone bridge]

I think terminids need Chargers to be more vulnerable to more things, and redistribute the infantry power balance across the roster rather than making Hunters so jacked

[hexed steeple]

hunters are goofy ahh

[keen zinc]

Make charger butts take full damage to normal guns

Make hunters the same I think they're great

They're the one thing that keeps you honest

[burnt vapor]

yeah if the charger had an equivalent to the Hulk's eye weakspot I think everyone would be alot happier

[honest acorn]

I need to test this but I am starting to suspect that heavy armor gives more affliction resistance

I've been jumped on by burning hunters a several times and not caught fire in heavy armor

[keen zinc]

Hunters are great

[honest acorn]

And I think it might shrug off the slow effect as well

[rotund marten]

my now-viable career soloing diff 9 basically involves sprinting around with a grenade launcher and shield or jump pack, blasting every objective, railcannoning anything you need to be pushed out of the way and looping the rest

[stone bridge]

Hunters are way too stacked and make the terminid infantry roster extremely one note

[honest acorn]

Yeah they're so... binary

[rotund marten]

I am not sure that having four people spread out doing that at once isn't the optimal way to play team bug 9 either

[stone bridge]

Because they get all of the interesting or dangerous things

Hunters:

• fly
• dodge by weaving or hopping side to side
• do high melee AP damage
• slow you in melee
• can do a mini stalker knockback

[keen zinc]

Idk, the bile scavengers have slowing spit

Also pouncers can fly and dodge

[stone bridge]

pouncers do not do the dodge from what I've seen

but like you get what I mean

[keen zinc]

Yeah

[stone bridge]

Compare it to the automaton bots

[keen zinc]

Buff warriors

Make Warriors jump is what you're saying

[honest acorn]

warriors are pretty boring yeah

[keen zinc]

I getcha

[golden ledge]

I've had hunters midair me while using the juimp pack

[burnt vapor]

That knockback is always super annoying when one gets up to me and knocks me down so suddenly I'm in the swarm

[keen zinc]

Let them do the Brood Commander charge

[stone bridge]

Honestly, make warriors do the slowing effect rather than hunters

[keen zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-cat-skate-funny-meme-gif-18666878

Hunter moment

The slow moving from Hunters to Warriors is okay but Warriors definitely need to get the lead out

They're painfully slow and timid

They need to be more aggressive

[hollow plover]

Yeah

[stone bridge]

If Warriors got a charge that'd be cool yeah

In general just

[hollow plover]

Most of the time, Warriors just shake their tail menacingly at you

[keen zinc]

They do a lot of the "video game enemy" circle strafing that is really silly

Rush me kill me do eet now kill me

[stone bridge]

Make more bug infantry dangerous rather than having Hunters carry the absolute lion's share

[hollow plover]

While their better, cooler, stronger cousins the Hunters flank you and leap aggressively the moment they realize you exist

[keen zinc]

Yeah

[honest acorn]

warriors are sort of threatening just because there's a lot of them and they have a lot of HP

[hollow plover]

Exactlike

[honest acorn]

But I agree hunters kind of get every trick

[hollow plover]

A lot feels like an overstatement

[keen zinc]

Are there??

[hollow plover]

They go down to headshots licketysplit

[keen zinc]

But hordes are mostly pouncers and hunters and scavs in my experience

Maybe one or two hive guards

And a brood commander who summons 3 warriors

Who die VERY quickly

[honest acorn]

Yeah I've run into packs of 4-6 warriors and most weapons will run dry before they kill them all

[stone bridge]

It's part of the reason bots play better - bot infantry has a higher variety and they've all got their own rude tricks they can do

[keen zinc]

🤔

[oblique storm]

are the goopy warriors new

[burnt vapor]

I think it would be neat if the warriors got some form of pure physical range attack like spines they shot at you while approaching

[hollow plover]

No

Those are Bile Warriors and they're friends

[keen zinc]

Give Warriors the ability to throw bug grenades from their tail that slow you

[burnt vapor]

They're been here since day one but only spawn sometimes

[honest acorn]

I'm not sure what you mean by goopy warrior

[stone bridge]

lmao

[burnt vapor]

bile warrior

[oblique storm]

bug warriors but goopy

[keen zinc]

They appear on Bile maps

[oblique storm]

idk what you need more

[keen zinc]

They explode

[burnt vapor]

They are basiclly banelings

[honest acorn]

I don't think I've run into those

[unreal merlin]

There are warriors that explode with acid on some planets.

[honest acorn]

Oh the exploding ones

[hollow plover]

Warriors could honestly become more dangerous if they changed their behavior to be more Hunter-like, actively trying to flank you, depending on the swarming scavs and hive guard as a distraction

[unreal merlin]

They're not new.

[stone bridge]

bile warriors only appear on maps where bile spewers occupy the Big Unit slot

[kindred lintel]

those arent warrior class??

[keen zinc]

I think giving Warriors a tail flung grenade would be cool

Like Tyranid Warriors with the tangle bullshit

[hollow plover]

Give them spike launchers

[keen zinc]

Yes

Manticore moment

Scorpion stings

[hollow plover]

Not like, a full on gun but they try to impale you if you're staying in the middle distance

[unreal merlin]

this is a warrior, with a bile warrior variation that's greener

[oblique storm]

Man

I can't wait for Space Marine 2

[stone bridge]

same

[keen zinc]

Warriors like shaking their butts at you for something that doesn't use it's tail at all

[oblique storm]

This is gonna be the best year for co-op shooters of all time

[keen zinc]

I wish our schedules overlapped more

[burnt vapor]

not a great ID image, the best way to tell is the bile sacks they carry on their under sides

[stone bridge]

With all due respect, why bring it up, then

[keen zinc]

[oblique storm]

He's making joek

[hollow plover]

Not very funny, not very joke

[keen zinc]

Sierranimal

[azure pewter]

ya know what fuck it <@&1206091872716595200> ping int the middle of the message

[glad marsh]

The audacity

[keen zinc]

[stone bridge]

fucked up

[glad marsh]

I like it

[keen zinc]

Kinda rebellious

And we don't take kindly to rebels

[autumn plover]

dissident detected

[keen zinc]

Dissident

[autumn plover]

gettem

[glacial light]

That one right there democracy officer

[glad marsh]

:0

[autumn plover]

https://tenor.com/view/times-up-spongebob-jail-prison-sentence-gif-19870488

[barren hull]

"Report all dissident activity to your nearest democracy officer!"

[glad marsh]

But what about liberty

What about

freedom

[azure pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-cat-hats-gunfire-gif-13740634

[barren hull]

Liberty and freedom are whatever Super Earth defines them to be!

[azure pewter]

youll never take me alive

[barren hull]

Then we shall take you dead!

[azure pewter]

also no

[glacial light]

Let super earth's government provide you with super liberty and freedom from the burden of choice with managed democracy

[hallow gorge]

How's the laser cannon against robots now?

Because infinite ammo against devastators and stuff sounds cool

[glacial light]

I heard it's good since most common troublesome bots that aren't easily deal with by primaries have medium armor

[hallow gorge]

Yeah that was my thought. I'm thinking laser cannon and supply pack with contact grenades should do a good job against robots

Contact grenades on the weak spots of tanks and hulks have been good in my experience

[honest acorn]

It's pretty good yeah

[quick plinth]

impact nades are just a straight upgrade

[honest acorn]

I ran pretty much that today

Laser cannon also kills hulks pretty fast if you shoot them in the eye

Which is admittedly sort of tricky

But you can walk the beam around to make sure you're hitting

[candid finch]

I think I know why I feel squishier in light armour now.
Which hits can often be survived at first, you often get ragdolled... then die because the ragdoll does a chunk of damage

[hallow gorge]

Yeah but shutting nests and stuff is easier with the normal ones

[naive dragon]

I feel like I don't like heavy armor against bots

[south temple]

is the major order over?

[naive dragon]

I seem to be getting cooked lol

[turbid olive]

about 12h on the major iirc

oh, just over 13h I'm told

also holy fuck the bot erad missions are instantly intense

[autumn plover]

i find it funny cuz we went from a major order we struggled to do to two that that got instantly done lol

[dusty spruce]

The new eradicates are so much better

And holy hell is the laser cannon fun against the bots now

It’ll kill the striders and hulks with some concentrated fire

[stone bridge]

we have found a new bot mission

[honest acorn]

It also handles so much better

[stone bridge]

something about command bunkers

[honest acorn]

It's a cool one

The bunker is mean but its worth noting that you don't need a hellbomb for it other call ins can work

[turbid olive]

I do not kill with my gun.
He who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.

I kill with ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️

[candid finch]

I do stuff struggle with chargers but the flamethrower is fun and useful

[turbid olive]

The flamethrower is great until you just have a flaming charger chasing you down instead

[candid finch]

I live with my terrible decisions

[naive dragon]

I just had the most intense D3 of my life

[glacial light]

Huh I got a reinforcement bug where I couldn't be called in despite having 16 left

And still having time

[naive dragon]

Bots is much harder now for some reason (good)

[glacial light]

anyone want <@&1206091872716595200> to start a squad

[rich marlin]

Damn it Joel

[naive dragon]

Listen I just finished a Medium that felt like an unending barrage of bots

[keen zinc]

actuvuty 2

[naive dragon]

I am happy

[rich marlin]

I am scared of the Bots 😔

(I'm scared of the bugs too but like they are a known scary)

[naive dragon]

Just remember that the glowing spots die faster

They are very kind about their weakpoints

[rich marlin]

Aim? You expect me to like be smart when i fight?

Impossible

[glacial light]

Just 2 more

[naive dragon]

#8910-1028

[eager pine]

I've been farming credits on Diff 1

I decided to try joining a game with a level one and taught him about the bunker doors.

[glacial light]

5187-5949

[candid finch]

Bile spewers are terrible I detest them die

Also i do enjoy the arc thrower too for bugs but oh boy I keep catching randos with it

[kindred lintel]

it has some trouble with chargers, but otherwise an extremely efficient weapon

[autumn plover]

imma try the pump action shotty since t hey buffed it

[hexed steeple]

it rules

i bring punisher for bugs, slugger for automatons

[honest acorn]

It’s been very hard for me to give up my incendiary breaker for bugs

It’s effective at short range and works weirdly well at long range on large groups (and its bugs - they come in large groups)

I don’t think the pellets do a lot at long range but the dot works normally

[candid finch]

Honestly the dot ignores armour and the random spray can clip a lot of stuff

It's a crowd killer

Which is great for buggles

[keen zinc]

i think they added jump pack anims

[honest acorn]

Like for reloads or what?

[granite rivet]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for some Helldivers? Got 2 slots open.

[autumn plover]

btw how do you get perks?

[hexed steeple]

perks?

do you mean the boosters? the li;ttle yellow thingies on the stratagem selection screen?

[naive dragon]

They're the little canister things in the warbonds

[rich marlin]

I can't helldive tonight when i get home i have to be responsible 😭

[crystal canopy]

Liberator is peak for this reason

Beserkers much less scary once you steal their arms

[autumn plover]

ah ok

im dumb and thought those were limited time booseters lol

[daring monolith]

that's a pretty common occurrence tbf

usually boosters in games are limited

[kindred lintel]

damn 70 medals for a one time use 💀

nah ya i get ya, pretty sure when you see "booster" it be like that

[autumn plover]

lol yeah

man im getting tired of getting kicked from games lol

i guess its cuz im trying to unlock all the difficulties and im only level 10

so people just think im a burden

[keen zinc]

Join people here

[autumn plover]

fair

i just worry if im not down to vc itll come off rude here lol

[hot meadow]

Is anyone's guard dog doing more damage to them than before?

[kindred lintel]

it would, since if you arent using heavy armor you have less armor

[autumn plover]

is anyone else have weird like game crashes/freezes?

[hot meadow]

Ah, so unless one is using durability one is significantly less durable?

[stark ether]

i think the people of this server would be very understanding of people not wanting/not being able to talk/listen

[kindred lintel]

armor has been fixed. pre patch everyone had heavy armor levels of resilience

[hot meadow]

Ohhh, I misunderstood and thought everyone had no armor.

Well, that makes sense. Thanks.

That explains partially why this level 4 mission we're on is going so badly too

cause it is going badly

[stark ether]

wait we had heavy armor levels? i thought we had medium

[hot meadow]

seriously making me reconsider rover use

[stone bridge]

I don't think that's true

[kindred lintel]

thats what the video evidence showed earlier today showed

[stone bridge]

Hrmg

[kindred lintel]

double check

[stark ether]

my understanding was the bug was making it so armors weren't correctly changing armor rating so everyone just had default, but i'll defer to any hard evidence

[stone bridge]

This is the video from a source I trust

https://youtu.be/Ty4xdg_53r4?si=_vg3j_zVp7Cv2ZwT

[limber pike]

Thank you was looking for the armor guy

[stone bridge]

Girl, but yeah

Here's her previous video

https://youtu.be/N_tToaxU1cw?si=LsYk5ySKVjmL95E1

The fact the Scavenger kills in 6 hits here, while the 200 AR in the updated video goes down in 9, pretty solidly indicates to me all armour defaulted to 100

Prepatch

[golden ledge]

I wish people would also test against bots

[stone bridge]

She did a separate video for bots in prepatch and is going to do more detailed postpatch testing later

So you'll get that testing

Just subscribe and wait

[autumn plover]

anybody got a spot free atm?

[tidal wing]

is anyone else having a hard time matchmaking? I’ve been sitting in quickplay for almost 10 minutes now and haven’t gotten a bite

[autumn plover]

its been spotty for me yeah

and lots of fails to connect and i got kicked like three times

also some weird freezes or dcs

[tidal wing]

yeah I’m just scrolling across Turing clicking every drop I see and every single one is fail to connect

[eager pine]

My squad abandonned democracy

Something about being commie sleeper agents... or sleeping... one of tthose.

[cobalt patrol]

I'm gonna do some quick Diff 5 stuff for lols <@&1206091872716595200>

[eager pine]

I'm already ingame

Alone

So alone

[stone bridge]

I'll be around in a bit

[autumn plover]

i can play

[rotund marten]

I have also had fairly frequent crashes to desktop, hopefully they smooth that out

[stone bridge]

I wonder how the armour meta is going to shake out now

[cobalt patrol]

Or my game could crash

[stone bridge]

Yeaaah the games stability seems to have dropped off a fair bit

[cobalt patrol]

I need a new computer very badly ;.;

[stone bridge]

I think the default armour is going to be very viable now

You get heavy durability with medium speed

[glacial light]

I don't remember if the heavy stims armor was one of the earlier superstore ones

If it was I missed it

[stone bridge]

I don't think there's been a heavy stim armour

Unsure tho

[glacial light]

Good there's still a chance

[stark ether]

i know theres a light and a medium in the warbond

[candid finch]

I'm wearing the light stim and oh boy I'm being thrown around like candy

Must survive

It's kinda worse for bugs because of the whole vomit bugs

[glacial light]

I found with heavy you can survive most heavy attacks with enough hp to take maybe one more light attack and stim which is a good buffer if you keep track of HP

Flamethrower hulks do not care about this

Their DoT is wild

[stark ether]

i want an armor that the entier perk is you can stim even while ragdolled

[glacial light]

Or an autostim armor

[cobalt patrol]

I'm growing very fond of the 120 barrage now

it's a nice mix between just concentrated enoguh

long enoguh

[granite rivet]

my brain skimmed that and read it as "autism armor" and i'm like "i'm already autistic, what do i get if i equip it"

[stark ether]

turns the game into factorio

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone up for more dives?

[honest acorn]

I can do one

[stone bridge]

I'll be in Activity 2

[eager pine]

IRL friend came on to play! Thanks though.

[cobalt patrol]

I am alas in need of doing rl stuff for like, an hourish

after that

sure thing

[stone bridge]

all good!@

[cobalt patrol]

Not sure i like laser vs bugs thoguh, it's timing is a bit rough on the cooldown

[stone bridge]

Flamethrower very real now

Being able to down Chargers in half a canister while destroying infantry gives it such a solid niche into bugs

[kindred lintel]

Not a wildcard pick though, still dangerous to use

[stone bridge]

It is, but I think that's part of getting used to the weapon

I think packing a shield miiiight help?

[kindred lintel]

I need to test it more fr

[stone bridge]

It's so efficient at infantry clearing you might be able to take shield over rover

[kindred lintel]

I didnt take rover, I took eagles and orbitals

[honest acorn]

should should help since it makes you ignore afflictions while its up

[stone bridge]

Sweet

You probably run like

Breaker, Senator, Medic or Democracy armour
Airstrike, 500kg, Flamer, Shield

Or if you can siphon a shield off someone else, wide range clear like clusters or 380mms

[honest acorn]

I might go for something a little longer ranged with a primary since the flamer is so dominant up close

But the breaker is solid anyway

[kindred lintel]

I was runing slugger and it felt solid

[stone bridge]

Slugger could do work yeah

[honest acorn]

Slugger seems like it would be good yeah

I need to unlock that thing

[kindred lintel]

500kgs, gas, railcannon

[honest acorn]

I think I'll go for the dominator though it felt pretty good when I picked up someone else's

[stone bridge]

I really like the Scorcher as well

It performs insanely well into bots and might do numbers on Spewers, depending

You've got a good range of options

[honest acorn]

I've heard its good damage for bugs but has a nasty habit of self-fragging

Though I guess if you have a flamer that'd help

[kindred lintel]

the plasma gun has some problems, the first being its t10 of the warbond

[stone bridge]

Yeah you unlock it super late

I think the other problems largely stem from people using it wrong though

The Scorcher isn't a focal weapon, its a pillar

[cobalt patrol]

I am back

[stone bridge]

You take it to kill medium armour dudes and it shines

[cobalt patrol]

Just nomming some food, but down for shennagins soon

[stone bridge]

Then in your support slot you run a Stalwart or something

[stone bridge]

I'm currently nursing a headache but my painkillers should hopefully kick in soon

[cobalt patrol]

No rush, and vibes on the headache

i have found this game is A Lot mentally

it is not quite as bad as Vault of the Void which literally gave me a headache from overthinking when i was learning it

[stone bridge]

Oh dear

[cobalt patrol]

VotV is a very complicated card roguelike

cool game! alpha tested for it,and made the solo dev go "exscuse me what the fuck" at a bug i found

(It required an incredibly specific set of cirucmstnaces, but when it happened it compelty broke a a bunch of penalities and rewared the player)

also the infamous "-1" card.

WHich was a card rapidly cycling between every possible card frame and color

with the name and rules text of "-1"

...it removed 1 block from you when played

[stone bridge]

Lmao

[cobalt patrol]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1101822198 I am also responsibel for getting this card changed so it couldnt do this anymore

[stone bridge]

Wh

What the fuck happened

[cobalt patrol]

Well

I died laughing

More seriously, i stacked up a buff really really high

and then i played a buff that converted the buff intro multiplcaitive damage.

by 83 times.

[stone bridge]

That's incredible

Lmao

[cobalt patrol]

So everything died.

...the shit i say in streams sometimes, flicking back throguh the clips

"What can we do to killeveryone"

Anyway, its' a fun enoguh card roguelike, but it's incredibly ocmplicated, and i ended up findign the complexity vs the payoff wasnt there

I was doing much more complicated decks and interplays of things

for fights that were much simpelr to bet than slay thes pire or similar

[stone bridge]

That's fair

[mortal wing]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-2-gif-1471368634578542573

[eager pine]

Well that sucks. My game crashed just as we were escaping the last mission in a series, and I was the host.

[stone bridge]

Argh

[eager pine]

Like, just when the dropship takeoff started playying.

[mortal wing]

bleh

had that happen once

[cobalt patrol]

Oh balls, that's horrible

[autumn plover]

Yeah lots of weird stuff like that kept happening to me

Or just me getting kicked or left by myself

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> okay, jumping back in

[hot meadow]

doing much, much worse at challenging missions today than before )=

Not 100% sure why since I didn't even have any of the nerfed stuff unlocked except breaker

[stone bridge]

What armour are you running?

[hot meadow]

Bonesnapper

[stone bridge]

Hm, you shouldn't feel the difference

[hot meadow]

Yeah, I don't thiink its that

the missions themselves have felt harder on challenging

like the last few days we'd face one charger at a time, today as many as 4

[stone bridge]

I do feel like bugs specifically have boosted spawns

[hot meadow]

It feels way harder

(and we are pretty bad to begin with lulz)

this isn't a complaint tbc so much as a "woah"

[honest acorn]

I feel more of a weight of smaller and medium bugs

Chargers feel about the same

Maybe I need to start running MGs again

[stone bridge]

Yeah, at the end of a 7 we had a congregation of 8 nursing spewers and change

on top of everything else

[cerulean sluice]

Guard dog kinda got indirectly buffed with the increase of Small Bugs that it can mow down

[mortal wing]

Laser doggo, my beloved

[daring monolith]

I need to try a full laser loadout once I get to playing again

[mortal wing]

Free haircuts and singed teammates included

What do people think on laser vs gun drones?

[wind arrow]

personally prefer laser drones only because of how it's visually easier to track what they shoot

[mortal wing]

Laser one feels a bit better to me in performance.

[stone bridge]

The laser one is dramatically better

It has ridiculous uptime and infinite ammo

[mortal wing]

Gives fun statistics like 400 kills, shots fired 200

[stone bridge]

The base Guard Dog's massive downfall is that it has an ammo pool you cannot refill without summoning a new one

[hot meadow]

That seems laughably bad.

[stone bridge]

It is not good

The Rover existing makes the difference very stark

[honest acorn]

The Rover does get a little ammo from supply pickups but its bad like 1 mag

The rover does use the ammo is has very well but... it just doesn't last long

And has a nasty habit of wasting ammo against armor it can't penetrate

[mortal wing]

oof, expected it to be more like half ammo

Like for heavy weapons.

[honest acorn]

Yeah its pretty brutal

While it has ammo it can wipe out a bot infantry patrol in seconds but

It can't do that too many times

[south temple]

is anyone still getting the "connection error: failed to join lobby" error?

[cobalt patrol]

<@&1206091872716595200> COME AND SLAM AND WELCOME TO THE HELLDIVE

whcih is to say, we need 2 more peeps.

[cobalt patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhRNO6EZmRA

[rich marlin]

I should: Immediately have gone to bed after work
instead: Helldive time

[honest acorn]

https://youtu.be/U5KOgaE3FG4

Someone isolated the marching song

[stone bridge]

I am ridiculously impressed by the Flamethrower now

Think is an A+ tier grab vs the bugs

The ability to solo down Chargers mostly easily is very valuable, and it's a great anti-infantry/area denial weapon too

[honest acorn]

It's the new soloist special I think

I feel like the smoothest missions I've played have been ones where 2-3 people group up for the shitty/hard stuff and 1-2 outrider(s) snaps up the easy stuff

And the flamer seems ideal for those outriders

[stone bridge]

Yeah for sure

I'm very happy w/it because it's very good but not an S+ weapon

like the old Railgun

It's not great against mid targets and terrible vs biles while being short range and inherently risky

[honest acorn]

I was using the Railgun earlier today and rumours of its demise are greatly overstated haha

That shit still fucking rules

[stone bridge]

Oh for sure

But it's not fucking ridiiculous anymore either

[honest acorn]

yeah

And there's some risk because you just always go safeties off now imo

[honest acorn]

I wonder what portion of people who think its ass now are people who don't know you can take it off safe?

[stone bridge]

Straight up they should remove Safe now

imo

Its purposeless with how they've balanced the gun

[honest acorn]

I think its relevant for bots since you don't' need danger mode to blast devastators and scout walkers and I could use the lack of another thing to kill me

But I do think it should maybe default to danger

[stone bridge]

mhm

That does make sense

Especially since the intro video uh

shows someone overcharging it and exploding

[meager saffron]

@eager pine post your friend code and I can add you

[rich marlin]

Just had my first mission with the tiny jumpy bugs and I hate them so much

Are they new or did the bigger jumpy melee bugs just get shrunk or something

[eager pine]

4311-3570

[honest acorn]

They're not new but they are the worst shit

[rich marlin]

How have I not seen them

[meager saffron]

request sent

[rich marlin]

Or am I just having a bad memory

[honest acorn]

I honestly don't know they're not that rare

[rich marlin]

I remember larger versions

Not these tiny large dog sized ones

Also they seem a bit more common

[honest acorn]

iirc there's 3 sizes

There's the tiny "leapers" the medium "hunters" and the large "stalkers"

[rich marlin]

Oh so I’ve only ever run into the hunters then

[meager saffron]

@lethal dagger if you want to join in while the other team's full feel free to hop into ac-1

[rich marlin]

Amazing

[honest acorn]

Leapers are really annoying because of their habit of catching autocannon rounds with their face at 1 inch and because they're good at catching and slowing you

Hunters are basically just the same thing but bigger

[rich marlin]

I hate leapers. Fuck this one bug in particular

Rest of em are fine

But the leapers can go die

[honest acorn]

Stalkers are basically the worst period

[rich marlin]

looks at her cool light medic armor

looks at bugs

Ah damn it fixing the armor means I’m gonna have to go back to medium

That last mission was terrible

[honest acorn]

light armor is pretty good

buts are just really fucking nasty this patch

I'm not sure what is the cause of it

They feel like they have more aggressive spawns or maybe the armor changes would up making them deal more damage

Legit every bug run I've done has been a sort of harrowing disaster

[rich marlin]

Feels like the definitely tweaked what spawns (see ‘I’ve never seen a leaper before in my life’ above) and made them a bit more aware

Going over to suffer on the bot front

[honest acorn]

Bots are a lot easier to handle imo

Armor changes work better there and some of the buffed weapons fuck

Laser cannon is goated vs bots now imo

[rich marlin]

The bugs were easier for me because I can usually see em better

[honest acorn]

Engages well at long range, can kill hulks from the front

[rich marlin]

Bots tend to blend better for me

[honest acorn]

I wanna try doing more stealth

Someone did a stealth breakdown and its a lot more generous than I realized

visual detection range is ~45m standing, 35m crouching and ~20m prone (before scout armor bonuses) and enemies are mostly deaf

31 24 14 with scout armor

Which is really generous

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge EATS/Flamethrwoer/Shield + Medic armor and slugger is a fucking sweet anti bug loadout

[honest acorn]

red strats basically blow your cover instantly aiui

[rich marlin]

I just picked up the sniper and honestly wtf is this

[honest acorn]

Which one?

[rich marlin]

Anti material

[honest acorn]

Oh it rules

Vs bots anyway

[rich marlin]

The one you get from your ship

How do you aim it

[honest acorn]

Sort of limited use vs bugs since its sort of overkill for medium bugs and -

You can use R3 or mouse wheel click to go into first person

To use the scope

While you're in ADS already

[stone bridge]

Oh hell yeah

[honest acorn]

also change the zero range to the middle one - it seems to land high on the closest scope setting

[rich marlin]

Alright so my middle mouse button ain’t doing anything apparently so back to ape strong machine gun

[honest acorn]

Hmm check your bindings I guess

[rich marlin]

I did and that’s the button I should press and it ain’t working so

[honest acorn]

It’s a really good trick for a lot of precision weapons

[rich marlin]

shrug

[honest acorn]

Are you already aimed in with right mouse when you click it?

[rich marlin]

Yes

[honest acorn]

That’s strange

[stone bridge]

I'd rebind it then haha

[honest acorn]

Yeah it’s a useful trick

Uniquely mandatory for the AMR and really good on… most of the weapons

Lascannon and liberator are weird standouts as well

[oblique lotus]

knight

[rich marlin]

I am annoyed

I specifically dropped my machine gun to try sniping on a solo bot mission and got my ass whipped because a key bind didn’t work

Granted I did extract so yay I guess but damn that was frustrating

Also: still terrified of bots.

For some reason the sounds of nearby bots invokes a primal fear the screeches of the bugs cannot invoke

[mortal wing]

What difficulties were you playing previously?

[candid finch]

I did get annoyed recently in a game where I started it off solo to give it a shot, dropped and immediately was set upon by a stalker and killed... and every time I dropped I got killed because it was literally just putting me right back down next to a stalker that could two shot me and ragdoll me with a single blow

[stark ether]

the stagger locking needs to be looked at

[stone bridge]

It is very annoying yeah

Stalkers are reason #1 why the Breaker is still a top tier bugge weapon

[stark ether]

i'd say 1/2 of my deaths are instakills from spewers, and the other half are staggerlocks or slow locks

[stone bridge]

I definitely think you need to go into high level bugs with some pretty specific gear, depending on playstyle, or you can get really fucked

[alpine seal]

i like bots more primarily because when a heavy devastator blitzes me to death in a scenario i had no control over at least it is honest about it

stalkers just kind of. do that

[steady bone]

stalkers slap you and it really doesn't feel like there's anything you could do.
While getting shot at with rockets has a number of actions you can do.

[stone bridge]

The answer boils down to "kill it before it closes in"

[steady bone]

sadly they are so damage resistant and sneaky (Seriously enemies sneak way too well and make no sounds)

[stone bridge]

Which is why you pack either high burst DPS in some fashion, a shield, or a kiting weapon

They really aren't that resilient if you have a Breaker or similar weapon on hand

[unreal merlin]

The only appropriate response is "stop whatever you're doing and fully mag dump into the stalker as soon as it's discovered" so it dies appropriately.

[steady bone]

They would have to make make the primaries able to perform then. Or make it softer.
Which It'd be great if they made all enemies right now softer.

[stone bridge]

Arthy I've literally told you a primary that deals with them adequately

There are others, too

[steady bone]

Wait is the stalker the one that goes invis?

[stone bridge]

Yes

[steady bone]

Then no the Digiligence doesn't do well against it, I've had to put more like...4? I think autocannon shots into it.

assuming I can nail it with it's wiggly nature

[daring monolith]

The breaker deals with stalkers pretty well

[stone bridge]

I never mentioned the Diligence

The Diligence is honestly not a good bug weapon in general

[steady bone]

I don't have the breaker.

[stone bridge]

Shouldn't be long before you have it, I'd recommend the Liberator or Defender before then

[daring monolith]

I’ve made it my dedicated duty to deal with stalker nests whenever they appear. Rover + breaker + grenade armour. As soon as I see a stalker I’m fuckin sprinting for that nest.

Punisher also isn’t awful with the buffs aiui

[steady bone]

I'm..probably gonna suffer with the diligence. I just really like semi-auto rifles.

[daring monolith]

The diligence does well vs bots. With bugs it’s just not effective, you have to be moving too much for its accuracy to be a factor

[steady bone]

though I'll probably be moving to the counter sniper when I Get that, eventually.

[stone bridge]

I mean, that's perfectly fine if you do, but you can see why your statements come off as kinda haughty when you say that, right?

[unreal merlin]

As long as you know you're choosing the weapon that's got hte most difficulty in handling the things you're having trouble with.

Especially if you move to the counter-sniper variant.

You can use it! It can even perform adequately. It's just objectively going to be harder than if you just used a Liberator instead.

[steady bone]

I will say that the fact that autocannon takes two shots to make the stalker retreat is a weird one.

but the reason why I say that primaries right now can't deal with bugs, is that the devs basically said they didn't want primaries to do that in the most recent blogpost about weapon balance.

[unreal merlin]

The point I think is that you're not supposed to exclusively rely on your primary weapon to complete a mission. You're supposed to use your primary, secondary, support, and stratagems all together.

[stone bridge]

They literally didn't say that, though

Yeah, exactly

You're not meant to use your primary as the sole factor to win

[unreal merlin]

Like, if I were to be using the Diligence or CS variant, I'd be carrying an Arc Thrower or MG or something as a support weapon to use as my "primary" and whenever the opportunity allowed (when bugs/bots aren't literally in my face killimg me) I can take out the Deliverance and eliminate things from afar before they become a problem.

[steady bone]

We'll just choose to agree to disagree then. I just wouldn't want to beat a dead horse with how they are choosing to go about it.

[unkempt flax]

We went from
Funny music videos
To teary poetry about the horrors of the war
https://fxtwitter.com/CGTester/status/1765490844411269221?s=20

[daring monolith]

I usually choose my stratagems to either cover weaknesses (if I’m solo/qp) or hyperfocus on something (in a group with comms)

If I’m focusing on infantry vs bugs, I’m taking the MG or Stalwart and using that as my ‘primary’ with a shotgun in reserve. Grenade launcher is also excellent but you have to lean on your primary more with it.

[stone bridge]

The categories I tend to use are Focal, which are the main focus of a build and what you'll largely be using, Pillar, which hold up the Focal weapon by dealing with things it can't, and Backup, which is, well, what it says on the tin

[stone bridge]

So in this example the MG/Stalwart is the Focal weapon - you design your loadout around it with varying Pillars

So bringing a Shotgun for burst damage to deal with stalkers, or a Senator to blow through Hive Guard heads the Stalwart can't normally tussle with

If you think about loadouts like that you can bring together an all round build you know the strengths and weaknesses of very quickly

[daring monolith]

There’s also considerations for each faction. Like bots can jam Eagle stratagems with AA, bugs have bile titans which need something dedicated to dealing with them (bot heavies are relatively easy to kill in comparison)

[stone bridge]

yeah that's absolutely part of build design

Like the Diligence and AMR are actually pretty sweet against bots

While the Breaker and its shotgun ilk are largely not as good

And the situation inverts vs bugs

[cobalt patrol]

This is a really good way to frame it

[cobalt patrol]

Exception: Slugger, which is a precision weapon pretending to be a shotty

[stone bridge]

Yeah its basically a DMR in the wrong category lol

(And easily the best one, especially with the Slugger buff last patch)

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah i'm kinda expecitng it to eat shit soon

because it's a little out of line

a smidge

[stone bridge]

I honestly think its not too bad, but I haven't used the newly buffed version vs bugs

[stark ether]

the slugger got buffed?

[cobalt patrol]

Also riffing off this, my current goto bug build:

Focal: Flamethrower
Pillar: Slugger, EATs, Shield
Backup: Impact and Airstrikes.

[stone bridge]

Imo the glacial fire rate is ultimately what holds it and the Punisher in line

[cobalt patrol]

Slugger gets full ammo back now intead of a tiny amount AND a monster 50% ammo buff

so it's now 60 carried rounds + however many in the mag

[stone bridge]

Yeah, which is 16

So 76 rounds per full resupply total

[stark ether]

i knew about the fix but i thought the extra ammo buff was for the punisher

[stone bridge]

It was not actually written in the patch notes, but I figure it and the Punisher share so much DNA they just decided to buff it too

The Slugger is literally "just" a slug version of the Punisher

Alright, <@&1206091872716595200> anyone up to play?

[cobalt patrol]

YES

i was ltierally about to ask, lol

Orders are fixed btw, it's 2x bile titans this time

[stone bridge]

lol

so one diff 7

alright

But yeah I'll be around soon

Gotta do a few things and use the bathroom

[cobalt patrol]

Hmm

THere's been a patch

sez differnet game version for you

[steady bone]

yeah a small patch dropped

[stone bridge]

o

[cobalt patrol]

No notes tho'

[stone bridge]

once i ge back to my PC I'll restart

[mortal wing]

more of actual smoothbore boomstick representation

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge You're fine, it said version mismatch until i joined up on you

er, when i wnet to join on you

@unkempt river I see you online, come dive into hell

also my autocorrect tried to talk about Bike Titans, and i now wnat to see a picture o f a bile titan on a Penny farthing bike

[stone bridge]

Hades is at work sadly

[unkempt river]

I'm at work, or I totally would

[cobalt patrol]

The super-heavy armor is in the shop btw (Heavy armor with the armor perk)

[mortal wing]

I'm being definitely responsible at work

[cobalt patrol]

Okay the Shorkwork emote is amazing

and i want it

[idle hollow]

I bet that they were using it on bugs lmfao

heavy armour was bad against bugs in 1 as well

[candid finch]

It seems somewhat inconsistent

[steady bone]

it'd be nice if we had the raw numbers just in general.

[cobalt patrol]

holy shit, flamethrwoers now

you literally can melt armor off a leg

it is SO GOOD

[stone bridge]

Can we delete this and post the source video instead please

https://youtu.be/Ty4xdg_53r4?si=OgTTZKFiaFot43Ub

[unkempt flax]

Oh, alright, didn't know about it , sorry

[stone bridge]

Don't want to give clickbait accounts traffic

and it's all good

[lethal dagger]

did the developers ever confirm if the limb vulnerability on chargers is a bug or not

the after they charge and while they're turning i mean

[cobalt patrol]

Dont think it's a bug, it seems a pretty intended mechanic

[lethal dagger]

like i like the concept and think it should be in the game but

there's no indication that the mechanic exists

[stone bridge]

It feels extremely arbitrary, yeah

[lethal dagger]

have the limbs glow or release steam or something

[stone bridge]

It's also not just after charging, its only during certain animations and even some walk cycles

I am 99% certain its some sort of armour desync bug

Also,

[lethal dagger]

i was just about to post that

i want themmm

[stone bridge]

Might be getting a content drop early?

Who knows

[candid finch]

Mechs mechs mechsmechs mechs mechs mechs mechs mechsmechsmechs

[stone bridge]

Vehicles of all stripes, at that

[candid finch]

I am happy to drive anyone around

[cobalt patrol]

Strongly recommend if you're having a hard time with bug missions post patch:

Medic Armor (med or light, probably med is better)
Slugger/Breaker/Scorcher
Impact Grenades
Machine Pistol

Shield Backpack, Flamethrower, EATs, your choice of 500kg/Airstrike. If you're with good teamates you trust, have one of them bring airstrike and like, a barrage of choice, while the otehr brings backpack and you share.

Flamethrower for Chargers (pick a leg and focus fire on it, it'll melt in seconds), also chaff. primary as a backup, helps with spewers. Impacts also good here. Use your 500kg and EATs to take out biles.

It is Brutal how effective this is.

@stone bridge just duo-d a Suicide Mission and it was breezy.

[stone bridge]

Yeah it was pretty brilliant

[cobalt patrol]

We killed 3 or 4 bile titans with a single death, amongst other bullshit

[candid finch]

Beep beep get in we're gonna do freedom

[cobalt patrol]

Beep beep, helldive jeep

(helldrive jeep)

[candid finch]

Okay but image for everyone:
Helldiver personal motorbike

[stone bridge]

So we've got 4 confirmed vehicles so far:

• EXO-44 Patriot Exosuit (previously titled Walker, minigun + homing anti-infantry missiles)
• EXO-48 Obsidian Exosuit (double twin-barrel autocannons)
• An at minimum two man buggy with top mounted MG
• A 4 person APC with an autocannon and passenger sponson guns

[cobalt patrol]

I do wonder how vehicles are going to handle the terrain which is

let's be real

there are many many hills

[hexed steeple]

autocannon….

[candid finch]

I hope I go airborne and flip and roll and kill all my passengers

[hexed steeple]

i love my autocannon

[burnt vapor]

I hope we get the AT walker from the first game

[hexed steeple]

more autocannon more good

[steady bone]

I do hope that the vehicles don't have vehicle physics and just sorta stick to the ground because I don't want to be yeeted

[stone bridge]

These are just the ones we know about - I figure they'll round out the mech stable with the Lumberer, which has a 90mm cannon + flamer, they might bring back the tank destroyer from last game, and if the vehicles are indeed 3 and 4 passenger I figure they'll bring back the Hammer motorcycle from last game which is 2 seater

[candid finch]

Too bad it's yeet time

[steady bone]

they have to add in segway's to the game.

[hexed steeple]

they should give us rollerskates

[stone bridge]

@candid finch

half track cycle baby

[steady bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-segway-segway-cat-death-bin-gif-25815242

[candid finch]

Briar get in my hellcycle

[burnt vapor]

The lumberer would be so nice as a big F u to all the heavy armour

[stone bridge]

ok :)

[candid finch]

We gonna do donuts around a bile titan

[stone bridge]

We'll see if they bring back this funny fella but it probably doesn't super fit the scope of the game

[steady bone]

tank v tank

[stone bridge]

now all they need to do is add the HMG as well and I'll be happy :')

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204832579287519292/1214634734618017813/SPOILER_RDT_20240228_2008101466878051877670557.jpg?ex=65f9d3bf&is=65e75ebf&hm=1318307a138d591d4acde6d7e609c5a147f918ce16e727d8d42cb4795480f55e&

OH! speaking of!

I found a machine gun that came out of a malfunctioning hellpod with a different, rather funny icon

And I suspect this may actually be the HMG's icon

Exciting

[dusk agate]

This is going to be the funniest thing I've ever seen

[idle hollow]

god the laser cannon is so good now

it melts spewers

[dusk agate]

I can't even imagine just joyriding around in the truck blatting bugs and bot factories

someone hops out to do a terminal, you roll on

absolutely incredible

I feel like the vehicles are going to go a long way to reminding the super srs people that actually this game is looneytoons and they are but elmer fudds

[burnt vapor]

<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone feel like diving?

[lethal dagger]

just completed a full helldive operation vs bugs with a group of randoms

two of which were on voice comms and running the recoilless

it wasn't that bad really

stratagem loadout was arc thrower, autocannon turret, airstrike, orbital rail, which feels like a great loadout that can meaningfully contribute to any situation

[graceful bluff]

what's todays patch

[cobalt patrol]

We have no idea, no patch notes

[cobalt patrol]

Ye, that seems very nice

[graceful bluff]

since it's so low it's not anything package related so either exe fuckery or anticheat fuckery

[burnt vapor]

the Major order ends in t-8 and a half min so I expect we'll see then

[graceful bluff]

or it activated something in the previous patch

[cobalt patrol]

The patch unpacked to like a gig plus

so

[burnt vapor]

I hope it's mechs

[graceful bluff]

yeah sounds like it activated something in the previous patch then

going from 71mb to over a gig isn't really possible unless it decrypted something previously added

[junior badge]

anyone up for some dives? (I need to kill 2 titans still, after all

[quartz cloak]

So, something I haven't realised until now, recent patch lets you get SPEARs from small map ammo boxes

Singlehandedly making that weapon 8x as useful

[quartz cloak]

I'm onboard

[graceful bluff]

Huh I tried that when we played but couldn't pick up, maybe because I didn't have the backpack on?

[quartz cloak]

Well obviously

You pick up ammo for the backpack

[graceful bluff]

I was hoping you could keep one loading it from ground pickups :v

[quartz cloak]

Sadly no

[graceful bluff]

it having map pickups makes it really nice though

[quartz cloak]

Yeah, means you don't have to steal other people's supply boxes for one(1) missile each

[alpine seal]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-vi-armored-core-vi-caption-gif-27220231

[junior badge]

Guess people called it right

[idle hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-server-this-is-now-an-armored-core-themed-server-gif-26370378

[autumn plover]

We got the other major order right?

[junior badge]

Oh yeah, absolutely.

I think the rewards haven't shown up yet, but we got it.

[autumn plover]

Cool I figured lol

By the time I logged in after that order was a thing it was done lol

[dusty spruce]

||https://youtu.be/4ps--hQiSXA?si=ufanvV3qoj2zmhIY||

Trailer for the Cutting Edge warbond

[hexed steeple]

the consistent spoiler tagging on leaks in this thread hes been stellar but i do not think it is necessary for trailers released by official sources

[rapid plover]

Hope we're gonna get more lasers

[idle hollow]

it is time to save Dafeng

and obtain muscle tracers

[rapid plover]

Maybe return of the Sickle?

[rich marlin]

arc shotgun?

The need so I can spread managed democracy has literally never been higher

[rapid plover]

Nice, it is indeed

[rich marlin]

Also one of those helmets giving me Destiny vibes

[limber pike]

armor looks bad but the weapons looks sick as hell

[rapid plover]

Arc shotgun is gonna be interesting

[rich marlin]

Watch the armor have the best stats ever

[keen zinc]

just like the simulations

[cobalt patrol]

The sickle is already in the game

Oh

wait

NEVER MIND

[rapid plover]

The one we have is the Scythe

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, uh, go watch the trailer.

[dusty spruce]

With the new pistol, I'm glad that one can now do a totally reload-free build

[rapid plover]

I did immediately after writing that original comment lmao

Hope the Sickle will be as good as it was in the first one

[cobalt patrol]

The one that really interests me is the Punisher variant

which appears to be a priamry grenade launcher in function

[alpine seal]

laser pistol laser rifle laser cannon laser guard dog orbital laser

arrowhead give me a laser turret i want to lasermaxx all 4 of my stratagems

[unreal merlin]

Hell yeah my SICKLE

[graceful bluff]

What the fuck is this map

[cobalt patrol]

murder

[unreal merlin]

Beachfront property

[dusty spruce]

A Helldiver's greatest fear: shoulder-depth water

[cobalt patrol]

Look man

The squid live in the water.

[candid finch]

Beef-front property

you gonna beef it

[alpine seal]

for once in my short life i've been recalled from creek crawler to tien kwanner

[cobalt patrol]

The stun grenade looks like it's EMS in a can

which seems very potent as an option

[alpine seal]

reminds me of scout drg, which is cool to see

[merry cosmos]

Wait it wasn't just yuri?

Theres three persona va's in helldivers?

[cobalt patrol]

Oh boy the subreddit is on fire right now

The Devs have been a bit grumpy about the patches reception, and probably needed a pr person, and people are losing their minds.

I want to spite clear Helldive just to show these folk to now, lol

[merry cosmos]

Im on the side of the devs completely

Uncritical support in their crusade against metaslaves

[rich marlin]

takes a long drag of her cigarette

These mfers wouldn't last a season in Apex

[barren iron]

the balance patch had no misses imo...

the armor update was a bit ymmv

but people will get over the railgun

[lethal dagger]

yeah the people malding about the nerfs in the discord and subreddit...

i can't relate

[barren iron]

I almost always agree with "buff other things, dont nerf"

but if everything was buffed to the level of the railgun

[kindred lintel]

The stance I saw was pretty accurate imo: people don't want to think, they just want the S tier weapon from their favorite youtuber so they havn't tried anything else

[barren iron]

then there would be no challenge

[merry cosmos]

Im more "nerf then both other things in response"

[rich marlin]

Need to make an 'ole reliable' meme about the machine gun

Yet to have that let me down

And is it meta? I don't believe so

[graceful bluff]

I really wish the stalwart was a primary

[barren iron]

machinegun when charger appears...

[merry cosmos]

The breaker is still really good

[graceful bluff]

I love how it plays

but just can't justify it being a stratagem

[dusk agate]

https://x.com/helldivers2/status/1765737775570026861?s=20

HELLDIVERS™ 2 (@helldivers2) on X

THIS IS NOT A DRILL! Our factories are under attack, halting all output. Helldivers have been deployed to liberate Tien Kwan!

Twitter · Mar 7, 2024, 1:54 PM

[burnt vapor]

tbf I think a chunk of the anger is people making blanket statements saying everyone who didn't like the nerf is a "Metaslave"

[dusk agate]

Those CHEEKY BUGGERS

[merry cosmos]

Charger when you wip out the orbital rail cannon

[rich marlin]

DAMN IT JOEL

[kindred lintel]

2nd charger

[dusk agate]

Actualy, spoiling the community on a new mechanic, hype farming, and then tearing it away is the best GMing a GM coul do

see, now that I know they are going to make there be like... mechanical stakes for the metagame, and implement them so deftly?

Now I know we might really be cooking

[merry cosmos]

⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️

[idle hollow]

im sure we'll get them at some point

[rotund marten]

I really like "do this mission to get your cool new mechs faster"

[cobalt patrol]

Flamethrower and Laser Canon wreck chargers. Apparently Orbital Gatling wipes them off they come crawling up from a breach?

There's a lot of options, and also, team work team work team work

[merry cosmos]

If not that then let them slam into a wall and give them the ol breaker backshot

[cobalt patrol]

Me and Briar were trashing diff 7 together, it was great

[hot meadow]

So yesterday someone joined our game and landed just as I threw an eagle air strike, got caught in it and died

[merry cosmos]

<@&1206091872716595200> ill be waiting in horus chat

[hot meadow]

Mike came on

[rotund marten]

I've just been relying on impact nades for chargers

fairly reliable 2 shot kill

[hot meadow]

He just said “why” in the driest tone ever

[dusk agate]

Like a true patriot

[hot meadow]

And then proceeded to ultra carry all of us lol

[merry cosmos]

I need a group to fight for tien kwan

[hot meadow]

I do definitely feel like the game got harder yesterday, and I don’t even have railgun/shield unlocked

I think they nerfed those weapons and also tweaked spawns.

[dusk agate]

I needa sleep when I get home from work, but

I salute you, the vanguard, the fleshy corpse doormat over which we must step to open the door to freedom and ensure we have firm footing to finally renter the house of Liberty

[dusk agate]

Path notes here: #1102974129734434919 message

[cobalt patrol]

What's the trick? To the guts?

[steady bone]

3 days till we get either mechs or and update on it

[dusk agate]

@steady bone behold

[steady bone]

yeah, 3 days till we get them

[kindred lintel]

i would say sooner, since the peak time is NA based

[steady bone]

the major order ends in 3 days though

[kindred lintel]

thats the time limit

we failed a major order before

[dusk agate]

Some games have double xp weekend, but only helldivers has "mech sooner" weekend

[mortal wing]

After trying arc thrower, does it just sometimes not shoot?

[dusk agate]

wait, we wHaT

[kindred lintel]

it will arc to corpses sometimes 😤

[mortal wing]

Target is at medium, it charges, clear line of sight.

Even with no corpses

[dusk agate]

Sometimes it is just persnickity

[mortal wing]

Oh there's no arc

[rotund marten]

hit the ground under the belly, either when they rear up after a charge or by throwing between the front legs as they run at you

[kindred lintel]

sub corpse with random bit of destructable setpiece

[dusk agate]

Zap 'em again, for liberty, just like our noble president would do

[mortal wing]

just orange spark on the front of the gun, as with when it shoot arc out

but no arc at all

[kindred lintel]

odd, never seen an orange spark

[dusk agate]

Are you implying that your equipment is sub-standard Helldiver? We wouldn't want to commit treason would we? Clearly you need to just keep firing and voting to secure our ongoing future

[mortal wing]

I phrased that wrong probably, it's just a little effect near tip of the gun

that always goes off when you shoot it

[kindred lintel]

just make sure you hear the second charge sound before releasing

one for halfway one for full cock

[cobalt patrol]

Arc thrower: it basically has a cone it draws out. If there's something out can ground in, it grounds in it.

Also the first charge has to be full, the second etc charges can be done at about halfway if you're chain firing

[cobalt patrol]

Clever. I knew the belly was their weak spot, but didn't think of that.

Oh, and new charger tech: spewers death explosion destroys them

[kindred lintel]

all spewer type attacks (breeders, bil titans, etc) deal damage to other bugs

[strange vine]

https://i.imgur.com/ho2UQJL.mp4

[idle hollow]

oh cool the sickle is coming back

[unreal merlin]

Spewers are my bane. They die easily enough but their fat bodies block my arc thrower

And yeah SICKLE WOO

Not that it was in question of coming back

[cobalt patrol]

Yes, but it got dramatically increased in this patch. It's very very notable now, even if the charger survives it gets armour shredded

[rapid plover]

hope the Sickle will be as dependable as it was in the first game

[cobalt patrol]

Like I watched a charger loose both front leg plates mid charge to a spewer explosion, then die when it finished it's charge from the injuries

[rich marlin]

Ya know what would be cool? (Might break the world a bit)

Armor skins.

The ability to make certain armor looks like others so i can keep my cool looks wven if i switch armor

Maybe like restrict them to their different armor classes (so light armor can only be "painted over" light armor)

[craggy lagoon]

Would love this, the current armor system feels very outdated

Not to mention armor still doesn't really seem to work

[rich marlin]

The armor stats definitely work afterthe most recent patch (least that's what it felt like)

[idle hollow]

i remember pilestedt mentioning that they were discussing (emphasis on discussing) armour colouring

may happen

may not

[rich marlin]

But i definitely have gotten attached to the light medic armor look and i wanna keep it so bad even if another armors bonuses are better

[kindred lintel]

I could maybe see it if they only allowed similarly weighted armors (light, medium, heavy) to be swapped around

But totally understand if they don't

[hot meadow]

Thanks. I definitely don’t see anything about spawns, so it is a bit conspiratorial of me, but I still think they tweaked at least bug spawns (perhaps inadvertently)

[mortal wing]

yeah no, arc thrower just sometimes refuses to go to target at all

[honest acorn]

https://blog.playstation.com/2024/03/07/helldivers-2-new-warbond-launches-march-14-first-look-at-new-weapons-armor-and-more/

[hot meadow]

I really felt like I got hit by more multi-charger spawns than before the patch haha

[honest acorn]

Someone post this already?

[idle hollow]

yea

[mortal wing]

don't think I'm gonna by trying to make arc work

[unreal merlin]

It can be really problematic sometimes

Other times it's absurdly good

[rotund marten]

well, I'm going to have enough credits for that long before it actually drops

basically there already

[unreal merlin]

Yeah I'm at 800 right now

[rotund marten]

975, although that's including all the SC packs from both current warbonds

[rich marlin]

That's the most sensible restriction to the idea.

Ngl maybe i don't look hard enough but i don't see a gameplay need to have to need to keep the armors distinguishable from each other. Not like (i personally) can tell what someone is running when they are obscured by bug blood and shrubbery

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> one more for dying to bots for mechs

[honest acorn]

Just need a few mins

[alpine seal]

i know a friend who swears by arc projector and it puts in a lot of work with communication. it fizzling out on occasion is just a fact of life though

[graceful bluff]

The arc is amazing if held by competent hands

[coral linden]

would someone mind screenshotting the new major order for me? gonna be away for a bit

[graceful bluff]

https://blog.playstation.com/2024/03/07/helldivers-2-new-warbond-launches-march-14-first-look-at-new-weapons-armor-and-more/

[alpine seal]

wait i'm calling it the arc projector from lancer again

i keep forgetting

[kindred lintel]

Full trailer direct by post
https://youtu.be/4ps--hQiSXA

[upbeat vector]

The Sickle!!!!

Yippee!!!

[hallow gorge]

Was the sickle a shotgun in one?

Or was that the trident

[graceful bluff]

trident

[hallow gorge]

Anyways I'm excited

[graceful bluff]

kinda in the name,

a thing that splits

[mortal wing]

oof, did a defence mission solo on just difficulty 3 vs bots and it was very bleh

[hallow gorge]

Yeah but I thought it was a continuous beam

[mortal wing]

rocket goes off near you, dead

[alpine seal]

never played hd1 but whenever i read of the sickle people are greeting it like an old friend. hoping it lives up to the hype

[unreal merlin]

You know how you have to hold the scythe on target for just enough to be "problematically long"

The sickle gets around that by being burst

[rapid plover]

it was a very good all purpose weapon in the first one

[mortal wing]

I have my doubts on it being good in this one

[rapid plover]

the Sickle and the Trident were both just very good for most uses

but yeah we'll need to see how they turn out this time

[coral linden]

tysm!

[unreal merlin]

Really the sickle is to be treated like a liberator that you don't have to reload after small engagements

[rapid plover]

yeah it was just a dependable rifle, with the upside of not needing to reload as long as you don't overdo it

[full iron]

https://vxtwitter.com/helldivers2/status/1765737775570026861?t=z7VGwKymyFkmcduCgV_NmA&s=19

[dusty spruce]

The Trident was bonkers in the first game. It massacred waves and patrols. You could see enemies on the map and just beam spam in that direction until the red dots went away.

[south temple]

WOOO LASER GUNS LET’S GO

my imperial guard cosplay dreams come true

[alpine seal]

laser breaker...

[steady bone]

down there doing engineering work

[quick plinth]

do we know how the new weapons and armors will be obtained?

(as in: will it replace the current premium pass? will it add onto it?)

[mortal wing]

New battle pass medal thingy

Add new one

[quick plinth]

ah, well that's a relief

[mortal wing]

As far as I know least what devs previously stated isn't true

[quick plinth]

what?

[turbid olive]

1002-9138

[steady bone]

So I was eating a snack just now and I was listening ot a podcast talking about how halo was balanced for legendary difficulty.

This made me think, what's helldivers 2 balanced for difficulty wise?

[turbid olive]

? Halo was balanced for Heroic, wasnt it?

[fringe quiver]

Yeah that's what it says ingame

[fringe quiver]

4 people

[turbid olive]

but I mean without some kind of dev commentary on it we wont really know

[fringe quiver]

To be fair

You can argue its being balanced real time

Due to game master

[steady bone]

I thought halo was legendary difficulty.

Huh, well either way base game not GM influence (because I Don't think I've ever played a mission with the GM staring in at me)

but it just made me wonder if it was ever stated.

[fringe quiver]

You theoretically would never know
remembers the vods of a dev messing with cheaters in pubg in real time

[steady bone]

Huh. I suppose yeah, the one time I ran an extreme mission we had like 5 bile titans spawn one after another.

[junior badge]

ooh, I'm just one super sample away from the expanded weapons

alright, goal for tonight is clear xD

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> come play milord

[glacial light]

M'lordy

[modest fiber]

lol

[rotund marten]

<@&1206091872716595200> filling up a second stack, looking for some Diff 9 nonsense

[oblique lotus]

be on in five

[rotund marten]

will wait for you before deploying because Helldive Bots are no joke

and with three command bunkers we kind of need three people

we now have three people, do we wait for you or start mission?

[graceful bluff]

<@&1206091872716595200> Need one more

[rich marlin]

I'm going to play some easys before I go off to work

common sample grind

[tidal wing]

POD STUCK

[rapid plover]

also had this happen to me

[gritty sundial]

PLEASE

I BEG YOU

[quick crown]

Hellbomb arming noises

[rich marlin]

I can handle bot trivials solo apparently

(Kinda a no brainer but with the right stratagems it was ez)

Also the cold exploding artichokes are annoying

[rotund marten]

<@&1206091872716595200> looking for one more for the last 9 mission

[graceful bluff]

bilespewers a shit

[hot meadow]

Yeah spawns are crazy

I read that it might be due to the enemy ramp up increasing

[graceful bluff]

Honestly about to bring mortar just so I can countermortar them

https://x.com/LuzaitisActual/status/1765562044084879460

Luzaitis (@LuzaitisActual) on X

Twitter · Mar 7, 2024, 2:16 AM

[hot meadow]

lol

[rich marlin]

I guess I can try to be social later, unless someone wants to hop on for like, 3 easy bot missions