I suspect it might turn out to be a mistake or an accident and get reverted
#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!
rotund marten
dusty spruce
This was something I am hyped for. The flamer used to be sorta dissatisfying for killing crowds. Felt more like I was just setting myself to get pounced by flaming hunters. Hopefully it massacres organic crowds like it ought to
OH WAIT
The slugger got the ammo buff too?!
Absolute best gun
autumn plover
Honestly I still think overall buffs ideally happen more than nerfs. Otherwise it becomes a very kinda bad feel negative feedback loop. Especially in cases where that nerf and buff decisions are based mostly on high level play.
rapid scaffold
Particularly in non competitive games like this.
steady bone
I'm very much for buffing things to make them feel viable at harder difficulties.
but also fun viable if that makes sense
kindred lintel
What I'm actually looking for is a slight increase to fire burn dmg/tick
It would solve napalm, flamer, and inc.breaker
steady bone
flame thrower I Think did get that buff
kindred lintel
Don't get me wrong flamer is already quite good, but just not amazing
It did, but only on the stream
steady bone
ahh you mean the passive damage tick?
unreal merlin
Honestly I still think overall buffs ideally happen more than nerfs. Otherwise i...
Concurred, I just mean to say that "only buffs ever" is something I strongly disagree with even in PvE games, when there is an intended level of challenge and it isn't being met due to something being overpowered or underpowered
The DOT of the fire was unchanged, it's still enough to cook smaller bugs though
autumn plover
Concurred, I just mean to say that "only buffs ever" is something I strongly dis...
Def
Like its a balancing act to balance lol
Just often games fall into the trap of only nerf I feel
So I think that's why the sentiment of only buffs cropped up. Just people really done with the negative feedback loops
hallow hornet
Nah I believe there's also a game dev that once said players prefer buffs over nerfs
and that they try to make buff more common than nerfs
I forgot who said that first
but its been very much repeated like its gospel online
unreal merlin
Fortunately arrowhead seems to have a grasp of what they're working with
hallow hornet
the fact Arrowhead seems to be trying to avoid something being too meta is a good sign
imo
autumn plover
Yeah like the nerfs seem mildly instead of swingy
hallow hornet
I also think sometimes you need to nerf certain things so that they are less of an ultimate response to everything
autumn plover
I mean I agree with that. I don't think I really ever disputed that the patch seems decent lol
hallow hornet
Buff and Nerf generally don't happen in a vaccum of being fully better or worse
autumn plover
Like those are like very reasonable nerfs
turbid olive
With tiered difficulties it really depends on what the standard of difficulty is
unreal merlin
https://www.arrowheadgamestudios.com/2024/03/balancing-the-firepower-in-helldivers-2/
HEY ISN'T THAT WELL TIMED AND TOPICAL
quick plinth
think about it this way:
currently a lot of weapons are meh and some were in a desperate need of buffing
while one or two weapons were mainstays along with a couple of stratagems
so they nerfed the outliers, buffed the ones in a horrid state and left most of thr meh weapons still meh, to see how the game settles in
quick plinth
think about it this way:
currently a lot of weapons are meh and some were in a ...
basically they wish to see where the balance settles so they can adjust further
hallow hornet
Also
you'll always have people complaining about the thing they liked being less good, regardless of if it was deserved or not
unreal merlin
Wow this is EXACTLY a topical article
turbid olive
The "buff only" is kinda what happens in things like Diablo 3, where number go up but ultimately just means you're doing higher difficulty stuff with the same challenge you'd instead have from lower difficulty stuff
unreal merlin
I have since the game released seen many who say “Don’t Nerf, only Buff” and other similar ideas. However as a designer I can tell you this is not a great idea, but I understand where the sentiment comes from.
hallow hornet
Once people have come to know and settle into something, its very hard to make them move from that and if you do it doesn't tend to be well received especially at first
turbid olive
It's essentially vanity sizing
hallow hornet
oh hey lmao
Another one of the current meta weapons enforced by its convenience and efficiency. The Railgun is really intended to be a high powered anti-tank sniper rifle, requiring both timing with the unsafe fire mode and accuracy with where you hit the enemy. It was vastly over-performing in how safe it was to use and how convenient it was, not requiring a backpack or assistance to be effective, and not requiring risk to take out even larger armored targets.
To that end we have changed it so that the safe mode is capable of penetrating medium armor, such as Automaton Scout Walkers, but not more heavily armored enemies like Chargers and Bile Titans. For those targets you now must run it in unsafe mode and overcharge it. In addition we reigned in the Railguns ability to damage massive body parts, meaning to get any real efficiency out of it you must score hits on heads and other weak points.
We are aware it rose to prominence as part of other anti-tank weapons not being as convenient or efficient in comparison. We are monitoring the situation closely and will adjust more based on how this change plays out.```
full iron
I've been trying to use the laser cannon and it hasn't been doing this
unless you have to keep focusing the same spot?
unreal merlin
``` Railgun
Another one of the current meta weapons enforced by its convenience...
Yeah as I thought, they know what they're doing and I approve highly
honest acorn
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone free?
quick plinth
for me laser canon is nice now
knocks heads off of medium bug and hive commanders easy peasy
turbid olive
Very good article! I do like hearing the mindset behind changes
quick plinth
honestly just about as I expected from the reasoning
its just that it still doesnt explain how the ARs and DMRs are worse than the shotties
they dont do the job of supplementing stratagems
not even a backup weapon
when the shotties can easily clear chaff
unreal merlin
Shotguns are actually just weapons that fit the engagement range we're fighting at. The rifles are great when things aren't up in your face, but instead at a distance
candid finch
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone free?
I got some games in me
quick plinth
Shotguns are actually just weapons that fit the engagement range we're fighting ...
okay, how quickly does a rifle kill the smallest bots?
honest acorn
I got some games in me
Sweet, I’m in activity 1
quick plinth
since most of the time that I fight bots they steel go into shottie range anyway
unreal merlin
okay, how quickly does a rifle kill the smallest bots?
In less than a second? Raiders are easily killable by pretty much anything
upbeat vector
Yeah
unreal merlin
Yeah
upbeat vector
You need to be able to aim alright, but it can deal with them fine
unreal merlin
The pistols can deal with berserkers tbh
quick plinth
hm
unreal merlin
They're imposing but not actually much of a big threat
upbeat vector
Actually about that; for zerkers should I be aiming at the waist or is there a better weakpoint?
unreal merlin
Waist or head, I prefer waist
quick plinth
its just that on bugs you need to be able to immediately shut down the horde coming at ya
and the auto shottie is the only primary that provides this
everything else doesnt kill stuff like hunters fast enough
unreal merlin
I'm running the scorcher most of the time and it one taps raiders 80% of the time with a body shot
quick plinth
flame shottie?
unreal merlin
No, the plasma rifle
Though the same can be said for the DMRs too, it pops raiders and small bugs.
The counter sniper variant is kind of weird given the VERY long range it's meant for but it still works fine.
quick plinth
my issue is that hunters charge into your engagement range very quickly via flying
and are arguably second biggest threat after stalkers
unreal merlin
Change to the redeemer auto pistol for your secondary and put a short burst into things too close to you, it's very effective
I feel you there
quick plinth
ive died more to hunters than any other bug
dusty spruce
I wish I had a better idea of the Hunter jump range
Sometimes they do the dodge and walk all the way up
Sometimes they seem to fly from outside a base straight to me
unreal merlin
My habit (again with plasma rifle) is just focusing on popping all the annoying small bugs with one or two shots. Clear the chaff and handle the bigger ones as necessary or time available
quick plinth
unless a stalker is around
hot meadow
I’m excited for the flamethrower to be good. More ways to kill chargers is great, because we are bad at it (lol)
unreal merlin
But also the plasma rifle is kind of really good but also at the end of the warbond tier so not everyone has it
quick plinth
stalkers basically just have to be your top priority
unreal merlin
Always
quick plinth
because if the nest is left unattended, it will greatly threaten your mission
unreal merlin
Always merk the stalker
quick plinth
also bugs have Stalkers and Scavengers
whats next
irradiated bugs?
bugs that yell at you in ukranian?
im making a poor attempt at a S.T.A.L.K.E.R joke
modest fiber
<@&1206091872716595200> if anyone else wants to go and spread some managed democracy, am ready and willing :3
modest fiber
Always merk the stalker
also yes, rockets are allowed to be used against stalkers, fuck em
turbid olive
I am omw home but ready to dive when I'm back!
cobalt patrol
I've been trying to use the laser cannon and it hasn't been doing this
Maybe? I absolutely peeled a leg open
full iron
weird
rotund marten
I find slugger plenty for both killing packs of Hunters and for sniping bots at medium range
unreal merlin
Slugger is like a DMR in pump action form
rotund marten
It can't do berserkers that well but that's what the redeemer sidearm, grenade launcher and sometimes impacts are for
quick plinth
isnt slugger premium pass?
quick plinth
ah its really far down free pass?
rotund marten
I really expect slugger ammo increase to have been an accident
south temple
~~im making a poor attempt at a S.T.A.L.K.E.R joke~~
get out of here, stalker!
rotund marten
it was already even with or better than the Breaker before
south temple
I really expect slugger ammo increase to have been an accident
i sure hope not
cobalt patrol
It can't do berserkers that well but that's what the redeemer sidearm, grenade l...
It's weird vs berserkers, because it can one shot kill to the head, but it's really really hard to do so.
rotund marten
It's easier on Devastators, it does an excellent job there
quick plinth
is it just me or this game would slap as an RTS
you already have all the units you could possibly need
rotund marten
I think that's Starship Troopers terran command
quick plinth
no no
ive seen that, played that, dont like it at all
more something akin to say, starcraft
3 tier unit split, buildings, abilities
south temple
helldivers starcraft would be sick
steady bone
huh that blog post says that your primary weapons are meant to be for small enemies, not the larger stuff. Instead preferring the usage of strategems.
quick plinth
right
but the ARs and DMRs feel too weak for me to use as chaff cleaners against terminids
the hunters's time to kill with anything other than a shottie blast is too long for how much of a threat they are
steady bone
All this tells me is they should reduce the cooldown on strategems then.
if they want to nerf primaries and/or keep them weak, then they should compensate the other way
upbeat vector
Yeah... Even on Challenging there's way too many Heavy enemies to rely solely on the use of Stratagems. Support weapons help with that, but...
idle hollow
I think the best thing is
steady bone
With this blog post and reflection on it...if they keep going this path, then I may end up being bored of HD2 if it's meant to be strategem usage but even that's hindered often
idle hollow
The punisher now staggers berserkers and devastators
Punisher glow up my beloved
It was good before now it’s great
unreal merlin
IME with good target priority and accuracy it's not super hard to manage smaller targets between crowd control stratagems
rapid plover
Yeah... Even on Challenging there's *way* too many Heavy enemies to rely solely ...
I feel like it's mostly just Chargers tbh
unreal merlin
Eagle Cluster and Napalm continue to shine
As does the orbital Gatling barrage
And airburst
strange vine
breaker spray n pray good now
against bugs at least it can do everything pre-patch breaker can do but with more ammo
also more stable than new breaker
upbeat vector
I feel like it's mostly just Chargers tbh
Fair, but when literally every fight against bugs you're fighting 2+ chargers...
unreal merlin
How good are you at matador-ing chargers
strange vine
steady bone
fine, until I Get huntered
upbeat vector
Diving out of the way? I'd say pretty good
unreal merlin
Not diving
steady bone
I don't even dive, I just run
upbeat vector
You can do that?
unreal merlin
Tip, just run past them
Like, right to the side of them, run the opposite direction
upbeat vector
Okay but that's where all the bugs are
steady bone
it's tight but if there's nothing else there, it's super doable.
unreal merlin
Do NOT run perpendicular, they WILL turn and hit you
modest fiber
running past the enemy? that doesn't sound right
steady bone
it's to shoot them in the butt
or in my case run away from chargers since they are actively bullshit
unreal merlin
Anyway my point is that I've had good success playing dodge games around 3 or so chargers and otherwise just ignoring them while killing all the smaller bugs
Like genuinely you can just ignore chargers if you keep good awareness of them
rapid plover
it's to shoot them in the butt
their backside still doesn't even feel that much more vulnerable, despite being unarmored
steady bone
yeah no, I run around them to ignore them and just lose them in a midst of rocks.
upbeat vector
Like genuinely you can just ignore chargers if you keep good awareness of them
That I agree with
steady bone
fighting bugs is just not fun on harder difficulties.
upbeat vector
their backside still doesn't even feel that much more vulnerable, despite being ...
Isn't it an explosive-only weakpoint?
modest fiber
their backside still doesn't even feel that much more vulnerable, despite being ...
compared to the heavy armour they have, yes
autumn plover
Also random but it's cool that the shockwave from explosions are actively repped and effect you the player
strange vine
oh hey spear now gets 1 missile back from the ammo boxes
unreal merlin
Isn't it an explosive-only weakpoint?
It takes only 10% damage from non explosive hits, yes
But it's still more vulnerable than the armor plates
upbeat vector
I guess one is better than zero sure but it still feels bad
unreal merlin
The trick remains: use an EAT or RR on a foreleg and just shoot it 4-7 times
barren warren
my job on the team is usually to play charger matador and just run them around buildings and rocks forever
jolly mortar
same. it's a practiced skill to learn how to run chargers in circles until a teammate either tags them or you run them into something, stun them, and get a shot off
south temple
is armor fixed now? i heard that it is
barren warren
run, do a small loop, unload a break clip into backside, repeat
or run, do a loop, throw down a turret, then loop him around the turret
jolly mortar
I was running like four chargers in a circle on impossible the other day. got really funny after a bit to watch my teammate pick them off.
barren warren
track team super earth champions 2k24
"why do some of the helldivers have super buff legs" dont ask its fine
barren warren
how do you get incendiary rounds
keen zinc
is armor fixed now? i heard that it is
It's fixed but apparently it's supposed to be bad
So still light armor only
jolly mortar
special variant of the gun, think it's on the premium pass?
keen zinc
Yea
jolly mortar
It's fixed but apparently it's supposed to be bad
and I don't like this, honestly. why have it in the game if there's no point to using it?
steady bone
flame DOT was not changed, it's only the flame thrower's stream damage
keen zinc
Maybe now that it's "fixed" they'll be able to balance it to be better in the future
But rn heavy armor is just ass
barren warren
have they outright said "its supposed to be bad"
jolly mortar
hopefully, because I feel like each armor class should have a dedicated purpose to it
strange vine
like 4-5 hits vs 8 hits
barren warren
or is that just your interpretation
unreal merlin
The philosophy of "just keep running to not die" will always be a prime strategy
modest fiber
the armour is so far neat, light armour is good if you plan on not getting hit, heavy armour feels like its heavy now
steady bone
look, all I can say is while wearing light I remember not being able to take a single rocket
unreal merlin
Heavy armor works
steady bone
but I ate a rocket to the face today and survived on 1 hp
unreal merlin
It's just that not being there in the first place > surviving when you do get hit
steady bone
no it was the first light armour you get
jolly mortar
I didn't think about that, honestly. if all armor values work now, medium's gonna feel even better for me probably.
keen zinc
More like 4 hits vs 4-8 hits
keen zinc
but I ate a rocket to the face today and survived on 1 hp
50% blast resist armor?
steady bone
This one
keen zinc
Hm
quick crown
More like 4 hits vs 4-8 hits
The first comment has someone saying its 4~8 for them
jolly mortar
cause you can pry my engineering kit from my cold dead hands. I'll stay handing out impacts like they're these hands.
quick crown
Its still not great granted
jolly mortar
really depends how the armor values math out for me
keen zinc
Yeah but heavy armor in HD1 made you an actual tough bastard able to shrug off light attacks from trash mobs
quick crown
But nothin is gunna kick me off my medium armor. I've got too much psychic luck built into it
steady bone
oh huh there are medium armor sets that have the same value as the marksman armoru
keen zinc
This is just not good
steady bone
it's the first one I was able to get
south temple
can’t wait to use nothing but the bone snapper still
barren warren
there will be other patches, at least
jolly mortar
yeah
i'm not gonna doom and gloom over one thing not being great yet when they may just need more time to balance it. the rest of the changes genuinely sound really good.
sly lake
oh huh there are medium armor sets that have the same value as the marksman armo...
the extra padding passive adds 50 armor value
which basically pushes your armor to the next tier while keeping your speed
or in case of the Fortified commando it makes u a tank
sour falcon
How severe have the railgun nerfs felt, for folks who have already played?
jolly mortar
I'm definitely gonna nab the laser when I can to play around with it, because I avoided it when it sounded so weak pre-patch
keen zinc
the extra padding passive adds 50 armor value
which basically pushes your armor ...
Not always
Iirc the Light Gunner only gets 25 from extra padding
steady bone
so still at the same thing as before
keen zinc
That video is so painful
Like even if it's variable, the low end of the variable should not be that
kindred lintel
candid finch
The myyyystery
steady bone
this is them lining up the mechs being added to the game.
They making all the stuff not feel good so we all bring mechs constantly.
(this is a raving lunatic's head cannon)
keen zinc
Armor is fixed, turns out it's made of very wet tissue paper
jolly mortar
the riddler is hacking stratagems...
and honestly i wouldnt be shocked if they are delaying proper armor balancing until the mechs are out and tested a bit
quick plinth
i wouldn't complain if that was the case
jolly mortar
same
barren warren
I do stand by the fact a lot of this could be fixed by just making chargers Less Chargey
steady bone
make chargers slower
make them that if you get hit, it's because you were not paying attention
jolly mortar
true. we also haven't got an actual enemy balancing patch to accompany the gear balancing yet.
barren warren
slower, or give them a tired period, or make their legs medium armor, somethin
unreal merlin
this is them lining up the mechs being added to the game.
They making all the st...
This isn't even raving lunatic tier, I'm over here rambling about how the automatons are crusading toward Cyberstan to reactivate old Cyborg super war machines
jolly mortar
like, chargers are one thing. but I'd argue some bot heavies could use less pinpoint aim. rocket devs feel like they should be explosive heavies, not literal snipers.
south temple
This isn't even raving lunatic tier, I'm over here rambling about how the automa...
god i hope so
jolly mortar
inb4 they introduce actual bot snipers
south temple
i want to kill more robots
unreal merlin
We MUST prevent them from their northward progress or the whole war will go tits up
unreal merlin
~~inb4 they introduce actual bot snipers~~
A FINE ADDITION TO THE JUNGLES OF MALEVELON CREEK
south temple
my servo armor is lubricated in the blood of automatons
barren warren
i havent fought any bots above 2 difficulty yet so i cant weigh in
steady bone
well better use the light armour, muscle enhancement and jump pack. Who cares about being hit if I'm over there
jolly mortar
A FINE ADDITION TO THE JUNGLES OF MALEVELON CREEK
(Paranoid by Black Sabbath intensifies as six laser dots land on your forehead while you break a treeline)
steady bone
though if I use only those they'll probably get nerfed
south temple
(Paranoid by Black Sabbath intensifies as six laser dots land on your forehead w...
predator lasers please
jolly mortar
I mean, I don't super see a reason to nerf the light armor when it feels like it's working as intended
jolly mortar
predator lasers please
YES
south temple
triple barreled robot snipers
steady bone
They'll make you barely faster than medium armor and enemies will still slap your hands.
south temple
is there light medic armor?
azure pewter
south temple
bet ok
keen zinc
~~inb4 they introduce actual bot snipers~~
Is there any funny url thing you can do to make yt clips embed better on discord
Like you can with other sites
jolly mortar
vx or fx maybe?
and honestly hoping that the illuminates are gonna be when we get our hands on more energy weaponry
i want laser guns
jolly mortar
yeah. gimme a rapid fire laser
hallow hornet
They'll make you barely faster than medium armor and enemies will still slap you...
that really just feels like complaining without much reason to tbh
Like these balance changes aren't made to spite people
jolly mortar
I mean, there's not much point to griping too much about it when they haven't actually done any balancing at all on armor right now. they just fixed a bug.
can't balance when you don't really know what needs balancing yet
hallow hornet
I do think the armor fix was made to spite me for my optimism
Well that's a frankly very unhealthy way to engage with games tbh
like for yourself
steady bone
the blog post basically said they don't want our individual player gear (primaries, secondaries etc) to have a big effect, and instead want the strategems to be the main thing.
barren warren
can't balance when you don't really know what needs balancing yet
thats true!
hallow hornet
I would genuinely just wait a bit
steady bone
I will say I do want the environmental effects to also affect enemies. Not just players
unreal merlin
I don't have the patience for holding the scythe on target
steady bone
Dealing with automatons and getting hit with an ion storm should mess with them
jolly mortar
i mean that feels fair. but same deal as the armor, basically a new mechanic, so need to see how it plays out to balance it
quartz cloak
Honestly all this update taught me is I should stay off social media, people are going insane over this
steady bone
That's sadly normal for big games like this.
jolly mortar
oh i refuse to engage with talk about the patch outside of my personal circles
south temple
I will say I do want the environmental effects to also affect enemies. Not just ...
i want to watch 100 bugs get thrown and set on fire by a fire tornado
steady bone
EXACTLY
hallow hornet
There's a lot of dramatic exageration over it
jolly mortar
like here, another small server or two, and my twitter friends
steady bone
this would be so funny to see them getting yeeted around
south temple
That's sadly normal for big games like this.
the helldivers discord is a cesspool
rapid plover
I hunger for my beloved sickle to be back
Sickle and Trident reigning supreme again 😛
quartz cloak
That's sadly normal for big games like this.
Man, as a fan of game 1 this is just painful
steady bone
not surprised on the discord aspect.
hallow hornet
That's sadly normal for big games like this.
I will say, I don't think it has to be the normal here
jolly mortar
i learned from my days with destiny 2 and ff14: you do not engage with the general fandom conversations about balancing patches
junior badge
Anyone up for a couple of missions?
keen zinc
Well that's a frankly very unhealthy way to engage with games tbh
I was being facetious
junior badge
or rather, do you fine divers still have a slot for me?
steady bone
I will say, I don't think it has to be the normal here
I didn't say it was normal for here.
Just the general wider community
jolly mortar
kind of what eld means i think
barren warren
Dealing with automatons and getting hit with an ion storm should mess with them
give us a weather generating strategem. give me a true roulette wheel
steady bone
...oh now you're cooking
unreal merlin
For this reason I'm not bothering to even glance into the nation discord
hallow hornet
I wanted to clarify that even if it is the norm elsewhere, we shouldn't let it be the norm here
keen zinc
Let me call on the power of Zeus from the heavens
south temple
give us a weather generating strategem. give me a true roulette wheel
TWISTER SPAM RAHHHH
unreal merlin
Anyway, coming up next: stratagem that summons a chest high wall for you
keen zinc
I do not intend to stop running my medium-heavy armor
steady bone
on demand cover would ...be kinda useful
keen zinc
WE'RE HELLDIVERS WE'RE MEANT TO BE SURROUNDED
modest fiber
<@&1206091872716595200> once again am asking for more troops
south temple
playing the outer wilds again makes me want giants deep helldivers
jolly mortar
Anyway, coming up next: stratagem that summons a chest high wall for you
droppable hard cover that can't be walked through like the deployable shield can would honestly be pretty solid for bot missions
keen zinc
AIRBORNE
unreal merlin
droppable hard cover that can't be walked through like the deployable shield can...
Exactly
steady bone
though I will say that bots do currently just ignore terrain.
I keep seeing them phase through walls right now
quartz cloak
I'm sticking to Heavy as well, though I mostly play against Bots
jolly mortar
it'd let you set up choke points, too, on bugs
unreal merlin
Being able to turn an open field into something with usable hard cover would be coolio
keen zinc
I'm sticking to Heavy as well, though I mostly play against Bots
🤝
We must provide them the data that will make them buff it
By suffering for the cause
unreal merlin
Deployable shield suffers under too much volume of fire, but it's a very cool outpost breaching tool as I've found it
quartz cloak
I mean, we're suffering a bit less than before I feel
steady bone
melevon creek will be ours
south temple
i’m still in drop pod hell idk abt y’all
unreal merlin
You throw it in entrances and use the bubble as a way to peek inside the walls of an outpost and kill the defenders who can't hit you back
quartz cloak
Maybe bugs just have super armor piercing feet
I think they genuinely do
south temple
yeah i read smth abt that
hallow hornet
Bugs have critical hit on melee
Sorry
Bugs
So armor matters a lot less for them
jolly mortar
bugs are largely just. don't get hit.
steady bone
Wait there's critical hits for enemies on us?!
keen zinc
That seems bad to have for ALL bugs
Okay for Hunters and Stalkers and Brood Commanders
But on scavs?
Pouncers?
hallow hornet
Seems to be done to make them a distinct threat compared to bot, where you need to adapt playstyles depending on what you face
I dunno
keen zinc
A bit much to have the swarms do it too
hallow hornet
doesn't seem too bad to me
limber pike
It’s not that bad tbh it was the same in helldivers 1
keen zinc
I mean heavy armor worked against bugs in HD1 just fine without being broken
jolly mortar
unrelated to armor. anyone tried the flamethrower out yet?
jolly mortar
i mean maybe. did it kill you faster than before
steady bone
Actually yeah it genuinely did.
jolly mortar
yaaaaay
south temple
win
jolly mortar
that is interesting to hear
steady bone
My friend is a firebug in nature, so they just...really used it. and do not pay attention to where they point it.
hot meadow
I saw a clip it looks like it kills chargers in 2/3 seconds?
Like it seems like good stuff
jolly mortar
hell yeah
hot meadow
I’m kind of relieved I didn’t get far enough to unlock railgun yet hahaha
jolly mortar
My friend is a firebug in nature, so they just...really used it. and do not pay ...
and believe me i get it. im dating a would-be arsonist, i don't trust them with flamethrowers in games.
at least not anywhere but in front of me
steady bone
They even joke about setting me on fire, but I Think they commit to it.
kindred lintel
Official statement on balance changes going forward:
https://www.arrowheadgamestudios.com/2024/03/balancing-the-firepower-in-helldivers-2/
graceful bluff
The problem is that they act like the railgun still has its old pen power when overcharged but going from 1-2 shots to 3-5 to be able the hurt the chargers legs is really bad
tidal wing
oh dang I thought only safe mode got nerfed
unreal merlin
Can confirm that just burning chargers with the flamethrower is viable when necessary
hallow hornet
Seems like its maybe like this so it is less good against chargers ?
unreal merlin
I imagine so
graceful bluff
oh dang I thought only safe mode got nerfed
That's what they act like in all comms yes
hallow hornet
Yeah we don't have access to every single stat for weapons but that's on purpose I believe
jolly mortar
oh dang I thought only safe mode got nerfed
nah, don't think so. they say in the linked post that both modes got a nerf to damage against 'massive body parts', they just don't say specifically what counts as a 'massive body part'.
so I guess charger legs fall under that
unreal merlin
Old railgun honestly trivialized chargers, and it's not good for healthy balance to have what's supposed to be a challenging enemy be totally trivialized
jolly mortar
which is weird because I feel like the legs are the intended weakpoint
steady bone
merely run around it
hallow hornet
I believe they mentioned that the Railgun is meant to be used a sort of sniping weapon against heads and whatnot
unreal merlin
It is a burst damage scalpel
turbid olive
In addition we reigned in the Railguns ability to damage massive body parts, meaning to get any real efficiency out of it you must score hits on heads and other weak points.
hallow hornet
yeah there you go
dusty spruce
So the real question then is if the railgun is good at killing chargers when shooting the butt, or is it still in the stage where you blow up the butt and it lingers for another minute
jolly mortar
the wording of the back half of that statement is what confuses me about the charger legs, I think. because there's in-game lore stuff telling you to target the legs. so it feels like they want the legs to be an intended weakpoint, but it also sounds like they nerfed damage to the legs as part of the 'massive body parts' tag.
may just be them changing up the intended weakpoints to make it so you can't just 1/2-tap chargers with it though.
hallow hornet
I dunno that post is just a regular statement of intent thing
jolly mortar
also could literally be a case of the stuff about the legs being bullshit in universe propaganda
hallow hornet
not an indepth stat dive in on how its used now
jolly mortar
I dunno that post is just a regular statement of intent thing
oh, I know, this is just me ramble-speculating off the dome cause I enjoy it.
like thinking about that kinda stuff.
hallow hornet
it seems like Arrowhead is keen on people figuring stuff out themselves
modest fiber
need more more, plis
junior badge
personally, I would've liked them to wait until we see the effects of the buffs on other weapons first, but it does seem like a reasonable nerf
dusty spruce
need more more, plis
I can join, if ya want
jolly mortar
eh, the two nerfed weapons really did need that nerf.
an emerging, shitty trend of bullying/kicking people for not following 'meta' was starting to take root cause they were so busted
sly lake
I'm glad the Spray & Pray got buffed
it actually does something now which is nice
modest fiber
I can join, if ya want
yes please :3
kindred lintel
an emerging, shitty trend of bullying/kicking people for not following 'meta' wa...
despite people saying this happened, I've never seen it
jolly mortar
i've not experienced it but i have seen examples
and it tracks with my experience in this genre of MP games
junior badge
yeah, that's a fair point
jolly mortar
meta-riders will try to optimize the fun out of anything
keen zinc
I'm glad the Spray & Pray got buffed
it actually does something now which is ni...
I gotta save up for it now
stark token
Having lived through a ton of buff/nerf cycles in PoE, nerfs can be good, and reading the dev post about the changes they sound like they make sense
also, never use reddit as a source for opinions on balance
its the worst source ever
jolly mortar
it's the worst source for many things
unreal merlin
Path of Exile patch notes, oof
RIGHTEOUS FIRE IS DEAD!!
two days later
OH MY GOD MANA RIGHTEOUS FIRE IS BUSTED GOOD
stark token
turns out righteous fire wasnt dead, and mana rf was decent good
the one bad change was archnem, fuck archnem, im happy they stepped back somewhat from that system
unreal merlin
Honestly POE just became far too content bloated for me to keep up with
turbid olive
god if HD ever gets a 3.15 you'll never hear the end of it
stark token
Honestly POE just became far too content bloated for me to keep up with
valid, path 2 beta coming this summer if you want somewhat of a mechanics reset
unreal merlin
Maybe
Maybe I won't just be locked into only playing cyclone, flicker strike, or storm brands
stark token
anyway, just wanted to drop my opinion on nerf/buff cycles, since ive been there, every 3-4 months for the last few years 
quick plinth
hunters are the bane of my existsnce
every other bug I can blame myself for dying to
but hunters truly feel unassailable if theres more than like 3
jolly mortar
honestly living through the eternal hell of destiny 2 balancing has made me so much more chill about balancing in other games. if something i liked using isn't as good after a nerf i'll just. try something else. or put the game down for a bit.
lethal dagger
tried out laser cannon
unreal merlin
but hunters truly feel unassailable if theres more than like 3
My only advice is to identify them at a distance and kill them first, especially if you notice them trying to skirt around the side to flank
Cut them down fast
lethal dagger
kind of eh on bugs, feels great for bots
deals with devastators really well, kills tank weakspots in ~1.25 seconds of fire
unreal merlin
The secret to using laser cannon vs bugs is to bring four of them
unreal merlin
deals with devastators really well, kills tank weakspots in ~1.25 seconds of fir...
Now THAT'S good info
lethal dagger
can kill hulks from the front in~3 seconds to weakspot
just as good on cannon towers as autocannon i think, to weakspot
jolly mortar
that kinda fucks honestly
lethal dagger
also i think the 120 and 380 barrages are fun and effective now
they are so much less likely to murder you, they last way longer
the punisher is the original pump shotgun, it now reliably stuns most targets on every shot so it's way better vs berserkers and brood commanders
the ammo economy got fixed as well
from 40 to 60 reserve shells and the ammo pickups aren't bugged and give more than they used to
slugger also got the same buffs to ammo economy (which frankly i dont think it needed lmao) so it also has 60 shells in reserve and gets more ammo back
crystal canopy
is anyone diving
quick plinth
the lasercannon* originally was meant as a sort of machinegun
which wasnt really telegraphed well by the game, and since its a shoulder mounted weapon people felt that it needed to have higher impact against bigger targets
which theyve changed it to now
loving it on bugs
melts all medium bugs heads off
lethal dagger
autocannon is in a great place, needs no changes
quick plinth
warriors, hive guards, hive commanders
sorry
I meant laser cannon
had autocannon on the mind
lethal dagger
ah lmao
jolly mortar
the carcinization of helldivers 2. all weapons become autocannon
hollow plover
unrelated to armor. anyone tried the flamethrower out yet?
It fucks severely
jolly mortar
hell yeah
lethal dagger
flamethrower is good as hell
hollow plover
I had the opportunity to 1 v 1 a titan with it but I fucked it
lethal dagger
just dont walk forwards while using it, you'll cook yourself
hollow plover
Jetpack + Flamethrower = Dynamic Advance
glacial light
Mandalorian build
glacial light
The HP is stored in the boots
hollow plover
I haven't dealt with that when I, the dolphin diver, flamered
junior badge
Hm. I'm not convinced by the laser cannon vs bugs at all.
I've been trying it this mission, and it just doesn't kill what I need it to kill.
steady bone
junior badge
The scythe kills anything the laser cannon can, and that feels really weird still.
steady bone
this is apparently a bit better but I guess anything bigger than the small guys just doesn't care
candid finch
I think I'm gonna try some more personal testing before any judgement on it
Got to try out some new things
glacial light
I've already forsaken railgun for RR
I haven't even used the new railgun, I just believe in the power of heavy armor
candid finch
the 380 is so strong now and super cool
golden ledge
AH YES METEOR SHOWERS
steady bone
okay meteor storms look like they suck
candid finch
in the best of ways
autumn plover
despite people saying this happened, I've never seen it
I'm pretty sure I had this happen to me once lol
keen zinc
this is apparently a bit better but I guess anything bigger than the small guys ...
Now that it's fixed, balance can come later
Since they now can actually collect data and feedback and decide if they want to make heavier armors more protective or provide resistances
unreal merlin
Hm. I'm not convinced by the laser cannon vs bugs at all.
It's really good against brood commanders and hive guards but it's overkill for other stuff mostly
golden ledge
OH god I love Meteor Showers
unreal merlin
It pops their heads very fast but that's kind of a downside too since that just makes them charge you down
Tip for meteor showers, there's bright blue light circles on the ground where they're going to impact
golden ledge
Its very much indescriminate bombarment, but no explosions.
strange vine
Laser cannon is good for bots
Since they have a lot of medium armor
And apparently it can melt hulk heads and tank/turret vents really fast
rotund marten
honest acorn
Laser cannon is p good now yeah
crystal canopy
AC feels better against hulks but i might just be stupid before
quick plinth
The scythe kills anything the laser cannon can, and that feels really weird stil...
how fast does the scythe blow heads off tho?
like hive commanders and guards
warriors too ig
also stalkers
keen zinc
I survived a bot mortar attack my feet
I could do that already with the blast resist light armor
But that gives me hope
kindred lintel
I've noticed a possible difference between light and medium medic armor at least
turbid olive
jfc joined into a rando match of "destroy bug holes" at 1/9 with five and a half minutes left
we ran out of reinforcements
graceful bluff
how
turbid olive
also what's a normal friendly fire number?
graceful bluff
do chargers even spawn at diff 1
turbid olive
it was diff 5
graceful bluff
also what's a normal friendly fire number?
ah thought the 1/9 was difficulty
steady bone
define normal friendly fire number
junior badge
how fast does the scythe blow heads off tho?
Not fast, but neither does the cannon.
honest acorn
I don't know if this is like, high or *high*
its low I think
junior badge
Like the cannon is a slightly bigger scythe, but I could have any other support weapon instead!
turbid olive
okay Ive just never actually seen an FF number haha
honest acorn
it tracks damage applied not damage taken
steady bone
...that's high for my group
turbid olive
oh right okay
honest acorn
Hellbomb accidents can lead to like 12000 friendly fire damage
steady bone
like real high
I think the highest I've seen is 400
Nnnnnot counting when two of them started slapping each other
honest acorn
I could do that already with the blast resist light armor
I basically walked it off tbf
junior badge
I just got 15k ff damage because an airburst hit a single guy
honest acorn
Though helldiver mortars are built different and still kill the shit out of me
honest acorn
15k is crazy high wow
turbid olive
graduated from toaster to toast
alpine seal
3
honest acorn
3 on safe or unsafe?
keen zinc
Yeah it's bad
honest acorn
(from the official discord)
keen zinc
They're infuriating the devs who actually talk to the community
keen zinc
Lot of feeding hand biters
limber pike
Place is a mess lol 😂
stark token
Yeah this is how you end up with devs that dont want to talk to the community
keen zinc
Really pissing off one of the most communicative devs where he's saying they probably won't be nearly as communicative afterwards
keen zinc
Yeah this is how you end up with devs that dont want to talk to the community
Evil-Bosse straight up said this
honest acorn
I want fireproof armor now though
turbid olive
this is also basically what happened with PoE
jolly mortar
I really hate that this is far from the first time I've seen this play out, and each time I can't blame the devs one bit for when they shut off regular communication.
steady bone
How would you even actively approach this situation in a normal way?
oblique storm
so its more of a mid eliminator which can engage heavies now
Which seems fair to me since it doesn't use a backpack
stark token
How would you even actively approach this situation in a normal way?
as a user or as a dev?
turbid olive
How would you even actively approach this situation in a normal way?
as a dev or a player?
steady bone
dev.
turbid olive
exactly as they are tbh
honest acorn
Which seems fair to me since it doesn't use a backpack
Yeah it comes off as a cousin of the arc thrower now
steady bone
Just reducing direct communications?
honest acorn
Which was probably intended
stark token
honestly
post the blog post explaining the changes, then go radio silent outside of hotfixes for one or two weeks
turbid olive
yup
limber pike
Changes are not permanent if it’s actually harmful to game
steady bone
just a whole lotta bans
stark token
fuck the whiners
turbid olive
I have worked jobs where I straight up put the phone down on clients when they're being assholes
it's all you can do
stark token
people are too afraid to ban "fans"
honest acorn
I hope it comes to xbox
honest acorn
so many bans
It feels like a norm on a lot of big video game discords to just like... barely moderate
eternal lantern
I wanna
Up right down down down a mf
honest acorn
And just have people get banned if they say something sufficiently -ist or -phobic and nothing else
turbid olive
I think that's just a problem with non-organically grown servers
stark token
People are gonna be people
Doesnt mean you have to let em ruin the space for the devs and people who wanna have legitemate talks about the changes
honest acorn
But it makes them such unpleasant places
graceful bluff
And just have people get banned if they say something sufficiently -ist or -phob...
Oh no those are running rampant there
honest acorn
Oh no those are running rampant there
damn, they should ban half the server to also remove the unlucky people at this point
wraith furnace
Doesnt mean you have to let em ruin the space for the devs and people who wanna ...
Oh absolutely I'm not saying otherwise lol
stark token
like genuinely if tom made a change to say icon
and was talking about the changes and someone started flaming him for the changes, that would be an insta ban here
turbid olive
probably not enough moderators available and not enough energy of who is there
stark token
the server is huge ye
over 500k people
wraith furnace
Jfc
stark token
were like, 40k here and it already is so big we just delegate sections of the server to specific subsection of the mod team
wraith furnace
That's nuts
honest acorn
We'd probably need like 50-60 mods to keep the same proportion there
They have I think 10-15
oblique storm
were like, 40k here and it already is so big we just delegate sections of the se...
Feudalism
turbid olive
it's also not going to be even close to 40k active people while a hot new game server is going to have a much higher proportion of actives
stark token
yeah were already considering a new curator and maybe a new mod here
turbid olive
something something Managed Democracy something
barren warren
tfw mods increase the taxes but its a drought season
honest acorn
I really don't like how they have a bunch of general channels with long slowmodes - I think it encourages the worst forms of communication
stark token
to shitpost please fill in this shitposting request
honest acorn
Where people just drive by through all three channels again and again
eternal lantern
Wut
eternal lantern
That’s slightly to many
turbid olive
to shitpost please fill in this shitposting request
I notice moderators are exempt from needing requests 👀
stark token
with under 20 mods and 500k users, the answer is you dont
turbid olive
hmmm
barren warren
jenny can be trusted with this power i think
eternal lantern
Huh
rich marlin
Hmmm you are right
turbid olive
anyway really a server like that you have the gen chat channels to contain the users that just want to spam and then more focused, niche channels for actual convo tbh
barren warren
ive become a fan of how channels are done here
turbid olive
it's pretty much how the Arknights server functions, for example
turbid olive
yeah, deffo the best large server
quartz cloak
Mostly because everyone just sits in their little sub-corner of specific relevancy
wraith furnace
Agreed
wraith furnace
Mostly because everyone just sits in their little sub-corner of specific relevan...
Honestly requires too much spoons to do anything else lol
Too many*
hidden steeple
graceful bluff
Just parry
wraith furnace
Just be on the other side of the map (you will be overwhelmed by Chargers)
unreal merlin
You just need a 2ft high defilade to dive behind
hollow plover
It does a lot
steady bone
Me: now running into teammates strategems and just hiding behind a chest high wall.
honest acorn
being prone also helps more than you'd expect
unreal merlin
The problem with this strategy is that the vast majority of the time you will not have enough warning to actually find a position of true safety and will only survive by luck and coincidence
graceful bluff
prone gets you home
and also a massive explosive resist boost
(even midair, you can dive into dev rockets lmao)
autumn plover
I just like the silly shoot bang game that lets me bro fist some rando as we nuke the continent next door lol
unreal merlin
A hellbomb has enough of a delay that you can see "this ditch is deep enough to break line of effect" but you probably can't get cover from a 380mm orbital
steady bone
"Guys I'm calling in a 500"
"BET IM GOING IN IT"
oblique storm
They should add royal guard from DMC to Helldivers
autumn plover
Snrk
turbid olive
I can't wait to unlock the 380
autumn plover
Liberty guard
turbid olive
even before the change
I just want the funni boom boom area denial (I am denying teammates)
honest acorn
380 is good now
unreal merlin
It is
It doesn't satisfy my desire for precision, 110 rockets my beloved, but it is very functional now
rapid scaffold
Oh hell yes. Music to my ears
eternal lantern
honest acorn
I haven't seen the 120mm post patch but I imagine it is also pretty good
unreal merlin
It's similar
rapid scaffold
380 was the first strategem I was looking forward to unlocking
graceful bluff
are the rockets actually useful now
I remember them not doing anything most of the time when I tried them
honest acorn
I haven't tried them since the patch but I don't think they were listed as changed in it?
pale remnant
Yeah, rockets felt fine to me as a slightly more precise but smaller area version of the regular airstrike
quartz cloak
They can one-tap certain scary things often enough
unreal merlin
Tbh my use case for the rockets is as a rapid "kill this [tank/cannon turret/assembler] now" tool against bots. It's not especially good against bugs since chargers move a lot and take 2x strikes to kill with it. Better to use other AT options. Also it often doesn't destroy bug nests holes either, so I use generic airstrike for that.
You just have to measure your expectations with them and know what they're going to home in on.
pale remnant
Yeah, definitely more of a bot tool
honest acorn
Rockets are good against bile titans
But they're pretty inconsistent vs chargers
Which is unfortunate because you really want something which can handle herds of chargers
quartz cloak
I swear, 90% of this game's problems come from hordes of chargers.
unreal merlin
For chargers you need to time it so they're just finished charging and are holding still/turning around.
quartz cloak
everything else is manageable, even Malevelon Creek
unreal merlin
But it's still not good for multiple chargers
graceful bluff
I swear, 90% of this game's problems come from hordes of chargers.
Literally the main reason railgun was meta lol
unreal merlin
I swear, 90% of this game's problems come from hordes of chargers.
You know what's really good? EMS Orbital
graceful bluff
and now laser cannon is gonna overtake it being even more powerful than railgun in its prime
quartz cloak
Genuinely I feel like most people's complaints will vanish overnight if chargers get a nerf to their health pool/armour/something
pale remnant
You know what's really good? EMS Orbital
Oh, maybe I should try that for bug missions
unreal merlin
Turns out dropping a stun cloud in the charger's path and locking it in place for 20 seconds is really good
graceful bluff
isn't EMS mortar just better
pale remnant
Genuinely I feel like most people's complaints will vanish overnight if chargers...
I wish the spear would oneshot them, it's already a bit of a pain to use with its finnicky lockon
quartz cloak
Because yeah, railguns were 'meta' because of chargers, they weren't very effective at killing bile titans
quartz cloak
I wish the spear would oneshot them, it's already a bit of a pain to use with it...
Worst part is it does
Sometimes
graceful bluff
people fell in love with the railgun with chargers and then just kept using it
pale remnant
I've never had a spear oneshot them 😔
unreal merlin
isn't EMS mortar just better
EMS mortar is more persistent but you have no control over where it goes or what it targets and it will never fire ahead of enemies
quartz cloak
What I do now with chargers is recoilless the leg armour off
quick crown
I'll never get tired of this meme for HD
unreal merlin
Defensively it's much more useful because it buys you time to deal with anything around you from any angle, but EMS orbital lets you put the cloud exactly where it matters most as determined by your human brain tactical decision making (you do have that, right?)
graceful bluff
What I do now with chargers is recoilless the leg armour off
Problem is that chargers heavily punish any reload that locks you in place
pale remnant
And dealing with multiple chargers with an RR is pain
graceful bluff
And there's always multiple
honest acorn
What I do now with chargers is recoilless the leg armour off
That or EAT to the legs feels best to me atm
meager saffron
railguns could semi-reliably oneshot bile titans, idk where this is coming from
honest acorn
I am starting to agree that I think chargers need a medium armor weak point somewhere like hulks
pale remnant
with the flamethrower buffs I'll probably try using that for bug missions, since it seems ok for dealing with chargers
kindred lintel
After all my hours I still don't know how pre-nerf railgun could kill bile titans
quartz cloak
railguns could semi-reliably oneshot bile titans, idk where this is coming from
Wait they could?
kindred lintel
I think its a scam people are trying to sell
graceful bluff
if you shoot them when their mouth is open
meager saffron
the webbing hitbox was a fluke thing for sure but a gun that can fluke kill HVTs 10% of the time and is really good against the most annoying mid-tier enemy...
unreal merlin
They could, I've done it multiple times
graceful bluff
it's incredibly hard
honest acorn
"oops all heavy" with an explosive weakspot is just such a limited set of weapons you can use
The one shot trick is hitting their "cheek webbing" while their mouth is open
steady bone
give me a sword instead of a gun
meager saffron
yeah
unreal merlin
I've heard it was somewhat a network issue bug
honest acorn
The railgun/EAT/RR/eagle strafing run can all do it
meager saffron
not an easy shot for sure but you could do it and that instantly turned the fight around
honest acorn
Probably more but those are all the weapons I've seen do it
pale remnant
I did play with 2 other people where we all equipped arc throwers, and we were actually able to beat chargers with that, which was quite funny
graceful bluff
My new anti bug layout is EATs and autocannon
meager saffron
arc thrower is shockingly good against chargers
pale remnant
Could even down bile titans with some focused zapping
meager saffron
in part because it occasionally flays off their armor at random
which is pretty nice
unreal merlin
I love referring to arc thrower viability as shocking
graceful bluff
problem is that the laser cannon just does the arc throwers job better now
unreal merlin
I don't agree to that one
graceful bluff
1-2 sec to the head and they're just gone
keen zinc
Jump pack laser cannon
graceful bluff
and it absolutely tears open legs
keen zinc
graceful bluff
I'd be less mad at the railgun nerf if they didn't make a weapon better in every way than what they just nerfed in the same patch
unreal merlin
Laser cannon is better now but it doesn't replace the actually unending volleys of arcs frying 2-5 bugs each time with no overheating
meager saffron
on 7+ there is actually a meaningful difference between 'practically infinite' and 'actually infinite'
honest acorn
arc thrower is shockingly good against chargers
Huh, is this a buff or secret buff?
graceful bluff
it was already good
unreal merlin
No it's actually just that good
honest acorn
I remember it being relatively bad against them in the old patch
meager saffron
no it was just a thing I noticed while using it against chargers randomly
unreal merlin
And it's slept on
meager saffron
it wasn't like
honest acorn
I killed them eventually but I didn'tget any armor breaks
meager saffron
0.1ttk youtube pogface good
pale remnant
Yeah, it's pretty decent
graceful bluff
if it arcs to their legs it makes a small hole like the old first railgun shot
meager saffron
but it just didn't seem to care about armor that much generally and it helped picking off smaller dinky idiots which is 95% of the bugs
unreal merlin
You can just dump a bunch of arcs into a charger and it'll die in a not entirely unreasonable amount of time
graceful bluff
that you can then shoot
pale remnant
It also has a higher firerate than you might expect, you don't have to fully charge it after the initial shot
honest acorn
I'll run it more I already really like it vs bugs because of how well it killed brood commanders and hive guard and such
unreal merlin
It's not ideal but it does work
meager saffron
yeh
pale remnant
timing's kinda tough to get down for you can get it going at a fair pace
my friend is much better at it than me, fires 3 shots in the time it takes me to do 2
unreal merlin
Arc thrower's biggest weakness is teammates who have bad positioning habits and like to run in circles around the area you're throwing arcs into
steady bone
like my flamethrower friend
pale remnant
yeah, ideally you do it with comms so you don't fry each other.
rapid plover
I killed them *eventually* but I didn'tget any armor breaks
AIUI it doesn't break armor, but it just zaps them through it anyway
meager saffron
arc thrower frontlining makes me feel alive and keeps my teammates alive
graceful bluff
it definitely breaks armor
pale remnant
AIUI it doesn't break armor, but it just zaps them through it anyway
Nah it does sometimes rip armour chunks off
graceful bluff
just not enough to get a full break before killing it
meager saffron
yeah I would be shocked if it ever broke an entire leg like old railgun
graceful bluff
(you can shoot the small armor breaks fine)
unreal merlin
I think I've got too high expectations for some people though, cuz I really don't like when I'm using strikes but they run into the blast area and then get mad at me for it.
graceful bluff
does the same damage to the leg that a full break does
all the full break does is make it easier to magdump
meager saffron
also better for shotties
which may no longer be as much of a thing if the breaker meta meaningfully shakes up to favor slugger more
or defender if you're an smg enjoyer
graceful bluff
I can't get over that they buffed slugger lmao
only reason most players use the breaker is because they don't have the slugger yet
pale remnant
they didn't buff the slugger?
They buffed the punisher, the regular shotgun version
unreal merlin
It got a side buff of sorts, with the extra ammo of the punisher
It MIGHT be an accident
graceful bluff
yeah it got the same ammo buff the punisher did
pale remnant
Oh huh, I assume that's an accident
graceful bluff
I am in a really annoying spot though
on one hand I love risk vs reward weapons like the railgun so I'm annoyed it got nerfed so hard, on the other, big laser beam
unreal merlin
Just use both
Use one in the first half of the mission and then call down the second one
honest acorn
Laser is really good now
upbeat vector
Yey
I like that
I think I used the Las in HD1 a lot
I found it nice
(I don't remember what difficulty I played on. Somewhere around the lower-middle I think?)
hollow plover
OOoh, the new Commander Bunker mission against bots is neat
dusty spruce
Oh, bots have a new mission type?
glacial light
Commander bunker? What do you do in that one?
honest acorn
Someone was saying the spear gets ammo from ammo pickups now?
unreal merlin
It does
honest acorn
Sweet
unreal merlin
Very
hollow plover
Commander bunker? What do you do in that one?
There's a big bunker you gotta kill
it has a bunch of strong turrets
glacial light
I'm gonna see how the 120mm feels, never really gave it much thought ok how to use it
hollow plover
Thankfully, you can just land two drop-pods on it and it's GONE
glacial light
That sounds like the perfect thing for my throw siege stratagem build
hollow plover
Very yes
glacial light
If there's one thing I've gotten a bit too good at its denying my teammates a chance to play by yeeting orbital bombards to wipe out nest fabs before anyone can get close
keen zinc
Hate that
pale remnant
I'm excited to try the 380 on bigger bases now that it lasts a bit longer and has a tighter spread, hopefully it actually knocks stuff out
keen zinc
I am an assault trooper
I hate being area denied by friendly bombardment
Let me attack them
Let me rip them apart with my teeth and hands and grenades
glacial light
Just run that 200m faster
pale remnant
sorry amko, we're out here spotting
ivory swallow
so they fixed armor but it still really doesnt do anything?
glacial light
I am very prone to wandering off to throw a stratagem then walking back to my team telling them I'm going after a base and a second later there's the base clear message
Against bots it seems to be more effective and prevents a lot of oneshots in general but melees have good crits that kind of effectively ignore armor
From what I hear
supple siren
I think it's more "they fixed armor, now lightweights are going to feel more fragile", it was like we were at base medium. There's up/down
turbid olive
oh hey someone just dropped a 500kg on me
supple siren
I watched a video of a mans bring smacked by a bug, heavy armor takes another 1-2 little guy hits?
ivory swallow
i saw a comparison and there was barley any damage difference though
honest acorn
so they fixed armor but it still really doesnt do anything?
It’s pretty noticeable imo
supple siren
I bet being cleaved in half by a Decimator takes noticeably longer
Mostly seen bugtests
honest acorn
You only survive about 1.5 ish times the hits with heavy but that makes you live long enough to stimm a lot
supple siren
Also not being twoshot is always nice
rich marlin
turbid olive
not enough fire
honest acorn
And there’s fewer one shots
supple siren
Wonder how it handles a Wall Cannon thing
rich marlin
not enough fire
That's how it gets you.
You think 'oh its just a twister'
Wrong
supple siren
Get that explosive resist
quick crown
oh add the helmet to yellin man too
honest acorn
Direct hits still kill, blasts don’t
glacial light
Yea I think it's the big thing of the heavy armor is you don't get one shot or 2 shot and it gives you time to stim but not just straight up tank everything
honest acorn
Also makes you harder to stagger
glacial light
Let me log in to my work computer
turbid olive
right time to kill some bugs
daring monolith
The stagger resist is big
steady bone
When mech
glacial light
Does it affect knockback at all?
honest acorn
You can still get ragdolled but I didn’t lose my aimpoint as much or drop stratagem combos when hit with heavy
Idk if you have more ragdoll resist
hollow plover
I gotta say, I feel as if I ragdoll all the time now
Most fights against bots I just sliiide to the left
Sliide to the ride
Criss cross!
Criss cross!
Two hulks this time!
unreal merlin
Mmm, eyeshotting 3 hulks back to back...
keen zinc
You can still get ragdolled but I didn’t lose my aimpoint as much or drop strata...
Hmmmmst
oblique lotus
Mmm, eyeshotting 3 hulks back to back...
keen zinc
I need help in fashion decisions
wind arrow
i vote 2
oblique lotus
2
ivory swallow
Apparently the flamethrower can kill a charger pretty quick
Getting mad about balance in a purely pve game is kinda silly but yeah the flamethrower is real good on bugs now
hollow plover
Despite its nerfs, the Railgun still fills its niche
It just doesn't fill all other niches it used to fill
ivory swallow
Yeah
hallow hornet
The flamethrower being better on bugs fits the vibe better too imo
unreal merlin
I need help in fashion decisions
As always, the real endgame of any community is fashion. Welcome to Dripdivers, trooper.
unreal merlin
Despite its nerfs, the Railgun still fills its niche
It just doesn't fill all ot...
That's the lesson some people refuse to grasp
keen zinc
I need help in fashion decisions
I'm thinking 1 for Bots and 2 for Bugs.
hollow plover
The flamethrower being better on bugs fits the vibe better too imo
It is mechanically encouraged due to the limited range and forced exposure, and the bots love to gun
However, I still think we need a meltagun
cobalt patrol
Apparently the flamethrower can kill a charger pretty quick
Yeah, it murks chargers good
unkempt flax
stone bridge
Yeah I've said it before, the Railgun nerfs were completely warranted
dusty spruce
The justification in the article they made was good
cobalt patrol
notable buff to the railgun is that it's sight has been zoomed in
so youcan be a lot more precise now
(As in in FPS mode, you're much closer to the gun)
dusty spruce
I would love to hear the 'intended fantasy' with other equipment to see if I'm using it wrong/if using it another way will make it feel better
graceful bluff
eternal lantern
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102976131503763496/1215036725563367524/f...
stone bridge
Its very usable now, at the bare minimum
keen zinc
I loved it before but now that it can be fed, even better
Though I do wanna try out the spray and pray
Especially on my white armor outfit
Because it looks like it'd match
Aesthetics
honest acorn
The extra ammo helped it a lot
It was already pretty decent imo but ran out of bullets too fast
oblique lotus
also needed armor pen
honest acorn
That’s true
Since the scatter was small and it did high damage you could make do with weak points pretty well
But the armor pen helped a bunch
strange vine
Though I do wanna try out the spray and pray
spray n pray is good now imo, against bugs at least it can do everything pre-patch breaker can do with more ammo
eager pine
Oh great and it queues up like infinite stuff so if you got rhough the menu quickly it'll just keep saying words
It keeps saying "E: Talk" over and over.
steady bone
It was doing that to me till I went insane
eager pine
If you turn it off it keeps going.
It reads every single word in the ship name selection and doesn't stop until it's done.
unreal merlin
Yeah it's a disaster
quick plinth
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone wanna join in spreading some managed democracy?
merry cosmos
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone wanna join in spreading some managed democracy?
At school
steady bone
tactically breaking my back to get the drop on the bugs
come here often for liberty?
still no clue how I managed to break my animations
keen zinc
roach mom is new
BAZONGAS
keen zinc
Their channel avatar is 70% bazong
modest fiber
roach mom is best mom
idle hollow
cerulean sluice
How are the 120/380 Barrages now that they supposedly last longer with less spread?
stone bridge
significantly better, the 380 at least
it can reliably close a lot of holes on bug nests and probably solo most of a heavy base
with the +1 salvo module, it lasts for a whole 32 seconds
quick plinth
oh you're a different briar
stone bridge
Hm?
stone bridge
Ah that's fair
quick plinth
and when I checked "servers in common"
that one wasn't there
for a sec I was really confused because helldivers really didn't seem like their type of game
or lancer for that matter
back on topic-
yes the 120 and 380 barrages seem to be a lot better now
golden ledge
stone bridge
lmao
to be fair, that was literally the perfect angle for a ricochet
dead on 45 degrees
stark token
hey got some pokes about people being uncomfy with the caption
stark token
thanks!
barren iron
I wish I had the content of the post without the caption tho
it got a good laugh out of me
honest acorn
yeah the video was actually pretty good haha
stark token
if youre down to edit the video, you can blur the caption and repost it?
barren iron
This is the most editing I can do
honest acorn
its the looking around afterwards for me haha
wind arrow
the paranoia...
hollow plover
Testing the Illusionist early are we, Arrowhead?
unreal merlin
That seems pretty indicative that armor makes a difference despite the naysayers.
keen zinc
Yeah it must be that bug claws are high AP
I can see that being a balance thing rather than indicative of armor being bad
They can easily reduce the pen values for scavengers in the future
honest acorn
bugs also sometimes randomly "crit" and do like 3x damage
hollow plover
Might be a headshot or somesuch
keen zinc
Stuff that can now be properly assessed now that armor works
hollow plover
Since limbs have different health/seperate values
honest acorn
But yeah I think scavengers might be a bad example enemy for this since something fucky is going on