Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[steady bone]

toast in activity 1 I believe is playing i think

[crystal canopy]

i want to go to the funny snow planet

1272 5085

[crystal canopy]

im not up for vc today sadly

[modest fiber]

yes am playing

[crystal canopy]

heavily burnt out from irl stuff

[modest fiber]

ah, i just charged it fully, out of habit i think

[keen zinc]

Man the rapid patches post launch got me jonesing for the upcoming patch

[modest fiber]

i think the funny show planet is liberated currently

[keen zinc]

I just want armor to work

[modest fiber]

same, same

[crystal canopy]

no its still available

draupnir/malevelon/vandalon are where i want to go

[modest fiber]

so far only funny snow planet i know of is heeth, full of undetonated hellbombs

[unkempt flax]

https://fxtwitter.com/HelldiversAlert/status/1764313239901307223?t=D4Yf3c4_ztP5wlEofGZShw&s=33

The physics engine of this game always amazes me

[unreal merlin]

THE MIGHT OF SUPER EARTH ON DISPLAY

[oblique storm]

Holy fuck

[unreal merlin]

SUPER EARTH'S WEAKEST HELLDIVER

[tidal wing]

the fucking anime ass time dilation lmao

[azure pewter]

we back homies

[coral linden]

killed a mortar so hard it stuck me in a wall

what do

[rich marlin]

I want a model of the Helldiver destroyer

They’re lovely little things and I want one to sit on my desk

[graceful bluff]

https://vxtwitter.com/LocalBateman/status/1764033920717258903

[azure pewter]

undemocratic to phase through matter isint it

[keen zinc]

Pull out a grenade and join Liberty

[modest fiber]

god damng i hate those bloody chargers

[keen zinc]

I don't do bug missions without Railcannon Strike

Impact Grenades can handle one charger, Railcannon another, after that it's time to leave

If you have 3+ chargers, it's no longer a you problem it's a team problem and the answer is to bug out

[graceful bluff]

EAT/railgun one of its legs then magdump it with your primary

ezpz

[unreal merlin]

I'd bring railcannon more if it didn't have such a one-and-done cooldown. As it is, I can't rely on it being anything besides a supplementary "I really don't want to deal with THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR" tool.

[keen zinc]

That's why my fourth strat slot is permanently set to Eagle Airstrike

[unreal merlin]

Airstrike is definitely a workhorse. Airstrike + Precision Orbital is very vanilla, but vanilla is an awesome flavor so it's great.

[supple siren]

I swapped to Airstrike/500kg, it covers so many bases

and also: explode big, pretty shiny

[modest fiber]

the downside of playing with randoms is that you can't really tell what you're going to get, having a high lvl is neat and all but when you can't tell what they are going to do outside of what gear they bring.. eh doesn't do much.. also i just unlocked my 500kg

[barren warren]

i have been wondering how to be a good Random

[modest fiber]

thats the fun part, you don't

[graceful bluff]

Mines, Fire Mines, Mortar, 350mm orbital

:v

and also no mic

[supple siren]

Or constant mic, picking up some episode of Law & Order or the neighbor's dogs

[graceful bluff]

or just static

[rotund marten]

Railcannon, impacts, 500kg or Orbital Laser is my bug loadout, and that's three to four charger kills

[supple siren]

But also in more real advice; mortar turret with randos is just asking for trouble

[rotund marten]

grenade launcher can also kill another couple in a pinch but it takes a while

[graceful bluff]

My pre railgun setup was EAT(2 charger kills right there), eagle airstrike, gatling, flex(probably laser if no one else brings it)

[turbid olive]

Cadet Fool, reporting for duty!

[graceful bluff]

literally any group will appreciate supply pack+EAT though

[barren warren]

ill never use a mic with randoms i aint messing with any of that

i am forged in the xbox era i learned my lessons

[candid finch]

Anyone want to finish off a level 8 terminid run with me? I'm trying to finish up the run so I can unlock level 9 difficulty

[modest fiber]

we are trying to do lvl 7 to unlock 8.. so we can help, if you help first

[modest fiber]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone willing to help us do lvl 7? trying to unlock lvls

[rotund marten]

I will catch the game once I've walked home if there's a slot, but that'll be 25+ mins

[red steeple]

I’m down in like 45 minutes

[candid finch]

I'm probably not down right now my brain is melt

[red steeple]

No worries! Take it easy 😌

[supple siren]

Some missions truly just never stop spawning the Green Bile Spitters, eh. I wish we could see the like.. sub-modifiers

[candid finch]

the endless goo displeases me

[supple siren]

They're a little too durable to non-explosives imo

[candid finch]

You can do precision damage to the head but it's still a fuck

[tidal wing]

just played a Hard match where all my stratagems were bugged and would call down the wrong thing

very fun to land, call down a railgun, and go "WHY DOES IT SAY 500KG BOMB"

I thought it was teammates griefing me until I chucked a 500kg at a Hulk and was baffled when it instead received my supply pack

[meager saffron]

that's a modifier

it's hilarious

[tidal wing]

wait WHAT

[meager saffron]

chat he doesn't know about electronic countermeasures

[barren warren]

oh no thats a thing?

[meager saffron]

yeah that's a thing

you can tell what strat you actually get in the top left when you dial it in

[barren warren]

bots seem scary to fight, unless that can also happen with bugs and ive been lucky

[crystal canopy]

Chat does he know

[unkempt flax]

https://twitter.com/EaterOfBrushes/status/1764255473035829331?t=MXURac89juIPMoTc63j7_A&s=33

Eater Of Brushes (@EaterOfBrushes) on X

If you have this mindset in helldivers 2 your cringe

Twitter · Mar 3, 2024, 11:44 AM

Falcon 1
Deliver a 500kg bomb to this guy's computer please

[keen zinc]

Mods, kill this guy

[meager saffron]

mods, crush his skull

[honest acorn]

I just saw an ad for the breaker on the in game tv

It mostly showed the user indiscriminately mowing down elk in a forest as a hunter

But also noted that it was good for home defense

[candid finch]

That's the Helldiver lead dev btw

[meager saffron]

this is like the most pathetic ragebait

holy smokes

[oblique storm]

That's the ceo

[candid finch]

Also, mods, sluice them in bug juice

[barren warren]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-frank-castle-punisher-no-frank-castle-no-no-no-no-gif-24489266

[naive dragon]

Off to a freedom camp with that one guy

[glacial light]

The CEO seems like a cool guy, as in he just seems like a well adjusted dude with no ego

[keen zinc]

Yeah but he follows Elon Musk

[glacial light]

RIP

Can't win them all

[naive dragon]

So do I but it's with the haunting memory of all of his failures

I am some kind of karma enforcing ghost crab

[strange vine]

I mean tbh with how that loser keeps trying to force people to follow him 50/50 if its intentional :v

[glacial light]

Anyone helldiving for either diff 6 or 7?

[hot meadow]

Chewing through medium missions with ease, about level 8 now

Bugs almost exclusively

Bring default AR, machine pistol, frag grenade, with grenade launcher, Gatling turret, orbital Gatling, and supply pack stratagems

When did y’all hop up to the next difficulty?

[eager pine]

Holy crap that works on Hulks? I've done it to regular enemies but it seemed too dangerous to use in regular combat, but if you can stun hulks with it that's really useful in very specific situations.

[modest fiber]

i can run 7ns, just gime a few minutes to finish off stuff

[idle hollow]

one of the first two bug planets we had at launch was Heeth, a snow planet

along with angel's venture

[glacial light]

Nice

[autumn plover]

yeah from ive seen the ceo dude post i imagine he follows musk to mock his posts or some shit tbh lol

[hollow plover]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/1764241726548349172

[modest fiber]

took bit longer than expected, but am ready to krump stuff now

[glacial light]

Nice maybe we should ping the role to find 2 more

[modest fiber]

fair enough

<@&1206091872716595200> gonna be doing some liberating, need 2 more for full dive

[azure pewter]

sure why not

[barren hull]

Joining up as well.

[kindred lintel]

apc my beloved

[glacial light]

We got a slot for one more

[stable schooner]

https://imgur.com/KdsbWIv

[glacial light]

Amazing

That missile wanted a hug

[modest fiber]

lol

[eager pine]

Bomb, but yes.

[stable schooner]

look eagle is touch-starved, okay. she works with what she's got.

[glacial light]

What is a bomb but a propellentless missile

[candid finch]

I rather enjoy arc thrower on bugs

not too great on bile titans but bile throwers and the orange versions are great for chaining on

I do suffer against stalkers but fuck stalkers

[eager pine]

Arc thrower is the number one TKer weapon

PUG with one arc thrower. He got 5 TKs all just with that.

[candid finch]

Eh flamethrower is pretty good at that too

[eager pine]

He didn't get a single TK with strategems I'm pretty sure.

Not nearly as good.

[oblique lotus]

cluster airstrike

and I say this as someone who uses it

actually maybe the mortar turret

[stone bridge]

Clusters are absolutely fucked for TKs

I've largely stopped using them because they're so good at killing allies

You have no idea if a random ricochet is going to make a cluster charge go 8m off course and get a TK it really shouldn't have

[cerulean sluice]

clusters, barrages, moarters

anything that sends splash damages around randomly

[meager saffron]

clusters are goofy

[oblique lotus]

I can't put them down because they're so good at clearing hordes

[crystal canopy]

mortars are fine

[oblique lotus]

but they do periodically decide to evaporate friendlies

[meager saffron]

I have hit several x29s with them on haz 7 so like

[crystal canopy]

I mean obviously they kill you

[meager saffron]

ykknow

[crystal canopy]

But theyre so effective

[stone bridge]

I run strafing run instead now

[meager saffron]

but at the same time it's true that people can just get fucking splattered because of how the AoE is angled

[crystal canopy]

clusters and barrages I find more dangerous

[stone bridge]

Also each individual cluster charge can ricochet

Don't forget that

[crystal canopy]

BC with a mortar its usually due to accidentally being in melee range of someone

[stone bridge]

smile

[crystal canopy]

But the aerial stuff is a lot more luck based in danger

[stone bridge]

It is thoroughly demented to me that ricochets are so deeply modelled they apply to Stratagems too

[meager saffron]

can't wait for them to put the ultracoin in but you actually have to aim the ricochets

[stone bridge]

[crystal canopy]

they're gonna add in a missile that you have to manually steer

[keen zinc]

Once again Creekers need to be reminded about Supply Lines

[glacial light]

Put in a middilse you have to manually steer by riding it

[keen zinc]

We need to hold Mantes or Creek gets cut off

[honest acorn]

SACLOS please yes

Actually MCLOS would probably be funnier

[crystal canopy]

not if we liberate creek first :clueless:

[candid finch]

I got enough super credits for the super special pack

So I've picked up the revolver now

I hope it's fun

[crystal canopy]

Big iron is very good

[glacial light]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/EM1PqcwxzB

[candid finch]

Team of people going for the "Hold my Primary I'm going in" achievement using only Big Irons

[stone bridge]

Holy shit.

[honest acorn]

What the fuck happened

[candid finch]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-ball-bowling-alley-bowling-pin-gif-25336718

[tidal wing]

my favorite bit is the anime ass time dilation moment before the physics really kick in

[keen zinc]

I hate you

[candid finch]

https://tenor.com/view/bowling-bowler-gif-25363911

[glacial light]

A charger corpse still deals charger damage when it's moving

I've bumped into dead chargers and it's killed me if it moves an inch

[meager saffron]

yeup

[eager pine]

That's the number one TKer strategem

Not a weapon

The 120 MM HE Barrage is probably the worst strategem in the game.

[meager saffron]

the 380 tho

[eager pine]

Barely does any damage to enemies. Just makes a wide area kinda dangerous to enter cause you might get randomly TKed.

[meager saffron]

that can turn an even wider radius into TK zone

[eager pine]

380 at least has enough damage to be useful sometimes.

You can throw it on a large base and hope you get lucky or throw it far enough away as to not hit your team while extracting to provide extra danger to approaching enemies.

[stone bridge]

The 120 and 380 are both absolutely awful

[eager pine]

Yeah, but the 120 is worse.

[stone bridge]

I'll be real, slim margin

[eager pine]

The 380 is actually useful against enemies at all, while the 120 is only useful for making it way more likely to TK your team. That's my take.

You're fairly likely to hit an enemy with the 380 multiple times, but with the 120 you have to be very lucky.

[honest acorn]

380 with the leap trick can degrade large bases pretty well at least

[meager saffron]

in what world are you hitting an enemy with the 380

let alone multiple times

[honest acorn]

I think it’s the odds that any shell hits any enemy haha

[glacial light]

380mm hits things? I thought it was just fireworks for aesthetics

[upbeat vector]

380 can clear an entire outpost all on it's own

If it feels like it

Will it?

Probably not

But what if??

[sour falcon]

380 is the biggest betting game

Watched it kill packs of titans, watched it kill a pack of helldivers and that’s it.

[rotund marten]

I like the cluster bombs with throw range armour, you get so many of them it's become my standard horde clear strat while running railgun or autocannon into bugs

[stone bridge]

Just don't use clusters in a game with Misc, they're magnetised to him

[rotund marten]

I can't really see a use for the 120 or 380 besides maybe throwing the latter at the hordes of 8+ bile titans that spawn when Bug Helldive gets stroppy

even then I'd use Walking Barrage instead

The clusters do really like to kill me, it's true

I don't even think it's a positioning problem, I don't die to other strats much more than anyone else

[stone bridge]

I think it's just pure bad luck sometimes

[upbeat vector]

Clusters are too good at their job

[candid finch]

Just like Helldivers

[oblique storm]

We just 3 manned Difficulty 8 bugs

oh my fucking god

[honest acorn]

They’re so mean

[hot meadow]

Are bots or bugs harder do you think?

[oblique storm]

I think if you think one is harder than the other than the other one immediately roundhouse kicks your genetalia into your throat

[stark ether]

bots are harder at low difficulties bugs are harder at higher difficulties imo

[meager saffron]

i find tanks are a lot less of a pain than bile titans

[stone bridge]

I think bugs are more annoying than bots at high levels due to how durable their heavies are

[meager saffron]

maybe this is just the fact that you can cornball them so easily with a single impact

[stone bridge]

I dunno about harder

[meager saffron]

literally oneshot to the glowing weakpoints

[stark ether]

annoyance is a from of difficulty imo

[meager saffron]

it's a real tossup between bots shooting random crits and 60000000 chargers

[stone bridge]

Maybe

[oblique storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgrnEVnZ4xU

Me running with 20 samples of every type with everyone dead with stalkers on my position with no ammo

to extract

[honest acorn]

I find bugs harder because they put more pressure the team to move fast and efficiently since they bog you down

[barren warren]

the bugs that slow you are a nightmare

[honest acorn]

Bots are a horror show if they do manage to actually pin you down but it’s way easier to outmaneuver them ime

[barren warren]

i can dodge a charger all day, but the moment i get some goop on me its game

[meager saffron]

there's also no way to instantly kill every bug that's just spawned in the way there is with robots

of course shooting down a dropship is a bit of a shitshow but it at least is possible

[supple siren]

And bug breaches just last ages

[cerulean sluice]

<@&1206091872716595200> anyone down for some dives?

[rotund marten]

I am quite confident in my movement so I find Helldive bugs way easier

Helldive bots is practically a stealth mission and the fact they have guns means it's massively more difficult to dance around the waves

[keen zinc]

hop in actrivity 1

[stark ether]

i've yet to get to helldive difficulty

[honest acorn]

You can accomplish a lot of bug control by dropping a tesla tower or incendiary grenade on a bug spawn tho

[barren warren]

napalm strike my beloved

[glacial light]

I'm so close to unlocking shields

They seem so good for bots and to a lesser extent spewers and bile titans

[honest acorn]

I think shields are overrated - but admittedly that’s with people considering them mandatory

They’re really nice

[glacial light]

Hopefully the armor fix makes the personal shield more of a nice to have than important

[red steeple]

The counterargument is simply don't get hit

[glacial light]

You see I am bad at not being hit

[hollow plover]

As someone that has ran Personal Shields a couple of times, they're mostly going to forgive moments when you stray too long in line of sight of the bots

[meager saffron]

shields are good for bots just because you can and will just get oneshot out of seemingly nowhere

so there's forgiveness there

[honest acorn]

I think I prefer them vs bugs honestly

[meager saffron]

I just like having the supply pack

[honest acorn]

Since they seem to block statuses while up

Like slowed

[meager saffron]

especially since I realised that resupplies resupply the resupplies in your resupply pack so you can resupply while you resupply

[honest acorn]

Bots tend to break them with random gunfire a lot

||can’t wait for mind control to come back then we’ll really want the shields||

[glacial light]

Is there a light stim armor?

[meager saffron]

yes

[glacial light]

Or was that only available last week

[meager saffron]

it's from the superstore unfortunately

[glacial light]

RiP

[meager saffron]

I windmill slammed that shit as soon as I could though because I was like 'oh this seems broken'

and it is

[glacial light]

I was hoping armor would be fixed by now in a quick patch

So I skipped on it

[supple siren]

I think I've seen a light version of every passive by now

[candid finch]

I love my war on drugs

[supple siren]

Which is nice

[honest acorn]

I kind of hope they bring back the full controls inversion for mind control

[keen zinc]

seriously

[honest acorn]

It seems like it’d be way nastier in a 3d game

[keen zinc]

i thought it was an important enough thing to get a fast patch

[glacial light]

I haven't heard of a patch since I've started, apparently they will do one every 2nd Tuesday (?)

That's when it's rumored mechs will be introduced

[meager saffron]

huh

[stone bridge]

The problem with armour isn't that armour itself is broken, its that enemy AP values are so high its functionally making all armour even out to 0

So its also a matter of needing to tweak values across the roster to actually be balanced

[glacial light]

Apparently we've been playing on extra hard cause even light armor suffers from overpen

[honest acorn]

Might be a patch cert thing as well

I think it’ll be really funny when armor works

We’ve all been fighting the release day Radahns of Helldivers

[meager saffron]

balteus 2

[glacial light]

I hope heavy is like Hd1 where you're basically invincible to small enemies

I want to wade in the horde with a flamethrower and jetpack

[hot meadow]

Got breaker, got autocannon

Are guard dog/rover worth it? Thinking about what to aim for next

[glacial light]

Laser version is good for bugs for ad clear

Let's you focus on bigger threats

[keen zinc]

they said they already had it fixed for the next patch a while ago

[glacial light]

Less good against bots since they tend to be out of its range

[hot meadow]

Thinking one could sortie against bugs using autocannon, rover, eagle air strike, and one of EAT, orbital precision, or Gatling as needed

Good to know

[stone bridge]

Oh, where?

[glacial light]

Autocannon is great all rounder

[hot meadow]

I have only run two bot missions. At low levels they seem harder than bugs.

[stone bridge]

Oop wrong message

[stone bridge]

Meant to be a reply to this

[honest acorn]

I really like the guard dog vs bots

Shit just 360noscopes basic bots like no tomorrow

I’ve had it solo whole patrols before they can flare

[eager pine]

Anyone wanna team up for democracy?

[eager pine]

The gun one or the laser one?

[honest acorn]

Gun one

[eager pine]

Dang! They took us off Malevalon Creek!

[stone bridge]

Really? Don't you find it runs out of ammo a lot?

[honest acorn]

I find that between normal resupply and the CD to keep calling them in I’m usually ok

Since it just uses 1-2 bullets per bot

Unless you run into a scout or something and it blows a mag on the armor

(I run railgun with it to kill hard targets fast)

[idle hollow]

laser one is great against bugs

the ballistic one is just bad

runs out of ammo

the other does not

[stone bridge]

I'm inclined to believe Cyan here, it might be a good bot slayer

[candid finch]

Also if it does land a headshot it does a decent amount

[honest acorn]

I think the laser one is overall better since its so crazy good into bugs but I was really surprised at how the bullet one handled bots

It acquires them very fast and headshots them

[candid finch]

Also it might just be me being blind but having something that auto shoots at anything in the area that I've missed is super useful

[honest acorn]

so vs enemies who die to headshots it just erases them

I had it clear an outpost in like a second while I was winding up a grenade for the factory

I would love it if ammo pickups gave it refills though - I think that's the biggest problem with it atm

[candid finch]

I'd appreciate if they also gave us some ammo for the spear backpack

Cause like four shots

[honest acorn]

I think I'd prefer it if the Spear just killed anything you hit with it in one shot

[candid finch]

True

Always sad to see a Spear hit a Bile Titan and watch them just kinda shrug

[honest acorn]

yeah

It feels like its only very consistant vs towers and tanks

[glacial light]

Does the bullet bot have higher range than laser?

[honest acorn]

I've not sure - I think it might actually be shorter but its about the same

[candid finch]

One of the main useful things is that it isn't likely to lazer over you in a big sweep and slap you and your allies in a passing sweep

[honest acorn]

Oh - semi related discovery I made today

[candid finch]

you can still get hit but it's a bit more sporadic and precise

[honest acorn]

The tesla towers love to shoot rovers and guard dogs - and will arc from them to you even if you're prone

[candid finch]

Well they are metal

I should use tesla tower more

[honest acorn]

I've been reasonably happy with it

[candid finch]

Often I keep it entirely for kill missions

[honest acorn]

Basically a safer minefield

[glacial light]

Tesla is great against bugs if you tell your teammates you can prone to avoid it

[honest acorn]

But its awesome for bugs since they love to run at it

[candid finch]

But also can be destroyed unlike a minefield

[honest acorn]

I see this as an upside

Less likely for a teammate to blow themselves up with it 7 minutes later

[meager saffron]

it is a giant glowing pole of death as opposed to completely invisible

[honest acorn]

I might be exaggerating I don't know if/when mines despawn

[candid finch]

They don't

from what I've seen

[honest acorn]

Ok cool that's what I've seen as well

[candid finch]

they are glowing red marks on the floor and walls that fuck up the day of anyone who comes near and I can appreciate that

[honest acorn]

On snow maps they can hide under the snow too which is kinda scary

Anyone remember the cooldown time for mines offhand?

[candid finch]

the masculine urge to throw mines and mines and tesla turrets and just create the most toxic environment

[stone bridge]

3 minutes

Same as sentries

[honest acorn]

Oh cool

Tesla is 30 seconds shorter which can be nice

[stark ether]

dont forget gas strike

[candid finch]

yee

[meager saffron]

gas strike seems insane but I just don't have the delayed gratification for it

[honest acorn]

I've been playing with lower level people so I've been playing a lot of difficulty 6- and trying out less often seen stuff for fun

[meager saffron]

compared to hitting a 30-piece with a cluster bomb

1:30 cd is just bananas

[honest acorn]

It's shorter than that haha

1:10

Or is that EAT?

I can't remember all of them offhand

I just know its extremely short - even shorter than smoke

And I think smoke is an 80 second cd

[meager saffron]

I don't know either, could be 1:10

either way it's ridiculous

having it multiple times in a protracted haz 6+ fight is WILD

[honest acorn]

The shell also hits nearly as hard as an OPS but only what it directly hits

You can destroy factories if you land the beacon on the roof

I managed to kill a charger with it once but this is not a strat its luck

[meager saffron]

makes sense, I've gotten a couple of bile titan kills with fluke turret/resupply impacts

[stone bridge]

Gas is pretty goated into bugs for sure

[honest acorn]

I want to get the no turret delay upgrade and try using them as missiles

[stone bridge]

If you land a gas strike + incen nade on a bug hole you deal with a good 75% of what comes out

[honest acorn]

Tesla specifically since it already wants to be very close and has a shorter cd

[meager saffron]

I think I should've used napalm + gas over ems + gas as my one-two alongside railgun/resupply

[oblique storm]

when the fuck do you unlock the other grenades

[meager saffron]

battlepass

[oblique storm]

motherfucker

[meager saffron]

incen is premium, impact is like tier 4 of the free one

[honest acorn]

fire grenades are in the premium one

Which is a shame because they're honestly really good

[meager saffron]

impact is borderline overpowered though so I'm not too mad

[stone bridge]

Yeah impacts are wildin

[meager saffron]

for the low cost of causing you to have a mental breakdown if you're trying to blow up automaton factories

[honest acorn]

I wasn't an impact believer until I started killing tanks with them

[meager saffron]

yeah they just oneshot to the Glowing Weakpoint

like what the fuck

health doesn't scale in helldivers either so you can just do that shit

[honest acorn]

I want to try orbital airburst more

I've only used it a little but its great for scrambled codes missions

[stone bridge]

Its not a one shot, but two will do the trick

[honest acorn]

▶️ ▶️ ▶️

[meager saffron]

yeah airburst/gatling is so funny for scrambled codes

because dialling 911 over and over is in some sense just faster

even if it's rng

[honest acorn]

I don't have everything but I like the guard dog and tesla more than I expected. Countersniper is weird and I can't place it. It feels like its just worse than the normal diligence? Maybe I need to shoot at more Devastators with it?
180mm and 380mm not exaggerated lol

[meager saffron]

countersniper is deeply weird

I think it suffers pretty hard from the hard sensitivity cap

[honest acorn]

Yeah that's a part of it

[meager saffron]

my favourite thing to do with marksman-type weapons is snap off targets in quick succession

[honest acorn]

It just doesn't feel like it does a lot more damage for having 5 less shots a mag either

[meager saffron]

so it may just really go against my playstyle

I think it factually just doesn't

it's a damage increase of like 20 points

[honest acorn]

I've head it has medium armor pen but its like barely medium armor I think

[meager saffron]

out of 200

[honest acorn]

But it does punch through hive guard foreheads

Which is pretty cool

[meager saffron]

it's somethin

also I'm ngl I was just expecting a fullon Kraber style primary which I realise is a little stupid in a game with the AMR

but I could hope

[stark ether]

i'm hoping someone datamines all the actual weapon stats and posts them somewhere

[stone bridge]

Me too

[stark ether]

or arrohead themselves post them either or

[stone bridge]

Especially with them apparently having like

50 stats per weapon??

[meager saffron]

not having a Darktide-style firing range is also super annoying because you can't even test stuff empirically

[honest acorn]

At least difficulty is static

[stark ether]

i have a feeling a lot of those stats are like x and y components of recoil, recoil bloom, scope sway etc

[meager saffron]

thank god

[honest acorn]

So that's one set of variables gone

[stone bridge]

And I want to know em all

[stark ether]

gib numbers

or atleast the important ones

[honest acorn]

Are there any weapons with weird recoil?

I guess the revolver likes to pull left

[candid finch]

The counter sniper is pretty fucky wucky

[kindred lintel]

The devastator pulls

[glacial light]

I just got to level 20 and unlocked the railgun, shield pack, and ems mortar. Feels good but alas it's sleep time

[stark ether]

[kindred lintel]

railgun time

[glacial light]

I will miss my EATs, one day you'll be buffed

Next one my checklist is Jar and liberator AP

I need a bot weapon

[honest acorn]

I like the lib penner for bots

[kindred lintel]

Breaker 🧠

[honest acorn]

Struggles with massed berserkers but there's an easy solution to those

Run for your friend who brought a breaker :p

Though it works well enough if you shoot them in the waist

[kindred lintel]

Yea they are basically vex, so any amount of throughput can put them down

[honest acorn]

Just not when there's like 5-8 of those chainsaw fuckers

[kindred lintel]

ie, shoot the stomach

Yea the volume of that enemy is quite odd

[glacial light]

I tend to wander off short distances to huck stratagems at bases to clear nest fabs

So I kind of want an all rounder kit

[honest acorn]

Lib pen is good for that, since I think berserks aren't in patrols

Or are only rarely in them

[glacial light]

Railgun for heavy, shield for living, eagle airstrike cause it's the best, and I might replace walking with orbital railcannon cause it has faster results than laser and recharges 90s faster

[honest acorn]

Orbital Laser is probably good with that setup

[glacial light]

Breaker for bugs, some med pen weapon for bots

[honest acorn]

It's a great emergency use

[glacial light]

I'm not entirely convinced on the orbital when I was fighting bugs, some of the bile titans and chargers just walked away and it didn't kill them

Bots don't move as much between tanks and hulks but the 3 uses on laser really gets to me

[vestal trail]

Shoot their robo-crotch, actually. Tum tum tends to be too armored for most primaries (I got here late and am assuming this is about Devastators)

[glacial light]

I feel like I could drop a lot more orbital rails over a course of a mission compared to lasers

[kindred lintel]

In this area

They have a big glowing spot

[vestal trail]

I wish Automatons had the Milk Bottle Bellybutton

[candid finch]

Wendiborg

[stone bridge]

The thing with the Laser is it really ends up being a one stop solution to every problem in the immediate area

It's probably better against bots then bugs, since bugs have a high volume of heavy armour you need to slow roll to kill to some degree, but it will kill a lot of shit

[vestal trail]

Does anyone else find it weird that bugs feel like they have better armor than bots?

[honest acorn]

It was berserkers but devs are similar

Bugs have kind of "all or nothing" armor

[vestal trail]

Sure, it's pretty much all in the Charger, but Chargers consistently feel more disruptive than Bot armor options

[honest acorn]

Where its either anything pens, a charger/titan, or a hive guard

Bots with chargers would also be a horror show

[glacial light]

Charger armor do seem tougher than even hulks or tanks

[honest acorn]

Chargers flushing helldivers out of cover into rocket dev's sightlines

[glacial light]

Hulks and tanks at least have a huge weakspot vents, chargers underbackside is still real tough

[honest acorn]

And its an "explosive only" weakpoint aiui

[stone bridge]

it is yeah

[honest acorn]

Though it kind of feels like every weapon sucks against it except the autocannon or RR/EAT

[glacial light]

Consider a Charger Cyborg Automaton with illuminate teleporting/cloaking packs

[honest acorn]

But those are better off breaking a leg

[glacial light]

Can railgun not break charger legs?

[meager saffron]

no it does

[stone bridge]

It can in two shots yeah

[glacial light]

What about unsafe shots

[stone bridge]

The same

[glacial light]

Are there instances where unsafe results in 1 less shot to kill than safe shots?

[honest acorn]

I think it might for bile titan mouth shots

[kindred lintel]

I think if you hit a charger in the mouth at almost full

[honest acorn]

But honestly I just leave that shit on safe enough things are already trying to kill me

[oblique lotus]

3 unsafe shots to the head will kill a charger instead of 4 safe

[kindred lintel]

more ammo efficient to two tap the leg and use a primary imo

two railguns are even faster

[oblique lotus]

faster to put three in the head

[stark ether]

also iirc unsafe shots on a charger have a longer/stronger stun

[stone bridge]

one Autocannon shot will also do it

[oblique lotus]

and my concern is typically kill speed over efficiency

[stone bridge]

If you have even one teammate, 2 leg shots is faster

[honest acorn]

2 leg shots and a burst of primary fire is usually faster than 3 headshots ime

[stark ether]

i have potato aim so my concern is generally consistency of non weakspot kills

[glacial light]

I'm also debating on whether the stim armor or the 1 shot armor is more worth it for me, I only have the med version of both although I did notice a light throw armor

[oblique lotus]

I am a big democracy protects fan

[stark ether]

i love scout for just being able to not engage and for being able to disengage while the rest of the team acts as a noise maker

[honest acorn]

scout armor is really good

Also lets you scout out patrols pretty well

[glacial light]

Idk if it's intentional but I tried the stim armor and learnt the throw armor is just far enough away you can throw stratagems at nest fabs without ever being noticed so if you get a good throw and run you can clear bases quick

[stark ether]

often times when i see a fight going bad i just sneak off providing railgun fire and reinforcements

[glacial light]

Whereas with stim armor while I have survivability I often get one shot before I ever use most of my extra stims and I have to be close enough to be noticed to throw a strat

[stone bridge]

You don't realise how good the Scout armour is until you run something else for a while, and patrols you could run past at a dead sprint see you when walking from further away

[glacial light]

Scout armor could be up my alley, sneak close, throw, and run

I do often sneak off from the group to go after med and small bases

[stiff pine]

GAME PLEASE

three bile titans moments before extraction classic

[stark ether]

remember friends the bile titan is a mid-tier enemy

[honest acorn]

the no ammo 1 stim really makes this pic

[stiff pine]

I had no primary or support ammo, no strats, and 2 mags of pistol ammo

lmao

[stone bridge]

So what I've literally just learnt from watching a video is that apparently the Bile one shot point for the Railgun is the webbing between its jaws

[stiff pine]

makes sense

[glacial light]

Yea before before it spits?

[stone bridge]

Just in general

Video evidence was provided, dude one taps them even when they're just walking

Rest of this vid is not that useful ime but this segement shows it off
https://youtu.be/posV3kxD250?si=oh6usRGKh7XhdJ-D&t=274

[daring monolith]

Can a railgun on safe kill it? Or does it need to be an unsafe shot charged a certain amount

[stone bridge]

The streamer here seems to be using it in safe

[glacial light]

I will be a broken record until I die, I can't wait until EATs is buffed enough to be as good as railgun

[meager saffron]

EATs should absolutely not be good as the railgun

[honest acorn]

I think EATs are underrated

The 70 second cd is crazy good

[stone bridge]

I mean that's the thing

EATs have a distinct niche where you can just run them alongside another support weapon

The CD is 70, 62 with the module that reduces support weapon cooldowns

63 even

[honest acorn]

They're really good for those situations where things are FUBAR and you need something which kills hulks now and not 70 meters away in a crater

[stone bridge]

You can use it so often you can weaponize the hellpod drop on top of having two anti armour busters on tap

[honest acorn]

And if you shoot from the pod you get 2 shots very fast

[meager saffron]

yeah you get to doubletap something with a pretty high dose of fuck you

[honest acorn]

Plus they don't despawn anymore like in HD1 so you can just leave em lying around objectives

[stone bridge]

I've been toying with the idea of running them with the Autocannon as a 4th stratagem

[honest acorn]

call that shit off CD anytime you're not walking

[stone bridge]

vs Bugs

[meager saffron]

see I was thinking of going full rogue and running the LMG

lmg eats napalm gas

[stone bridge]

Damn that's not a bad idea either

[honest acorn]

I've had pretty decent luck running EAT+whatever the map provides

[meager saffron]

mix and match as needed

[honest acorn]

Or EAT+rover

[stone bridge]

I usually nab someone else's backpack after it comes off cooldown

Got multiple of em for a reason

[honest acorn]

Also does anyone else feel like the game really turns up the heat on enemy spawns after 20 mins?

[meager saffron]

wouldn't surprisee

[stone bridge]

yes

[daring monolith]

Yeah it does

[meager saffron]

it might also just be that bases have existed for too long

but idk

[honest acorn]

Like not a very gentle enemy curve its just 0-19:59 elapsed and then 20:00+ is just a gear or three higher of fuck you

[stone bridge]

Spawns ramp gradually anyway, but the 50% mark is a big threshold

Damn now I want to play

[meager saffron]

as much as I would like a theoretical heavy armor build the extra sprint and stamina is so nice for being quick about stuff at high level

I wanna be brisk as fuck

[stone bridge]

I think it'll really come down to how much soak armour gives after the update

[meager saffron]

yeah

[stone bridge]

Right now, if the AP thing is true, we're all playing at 0 anyway

[honest acorn]

I'd hop on but the PS5 is being used for the Yakuza 6 finale by my partner so I'd probably die if I asked to switch off :p

[glacial light]

Railgun is better than EATs in most ways, it definitely needs a buff alongside other AT weapons

[stone bridge]

Scout fans won't feel the difference

[meager saffron]

I think I like nyoom medic too much to give it up but a theoretical fat medic suit could be absolutely batshit

[honest acorn]

I'm looking forward to heavy armor+fortified working

[stone bridge]

I mean we did just discuss why this isn't entirely true

[stark ether]

what would really make heavy armor worth is is armor rating gives stagger/ragdoll resist

[meager saffron]

yeah eats have a one minute cooldown lol

[stone bridge]

The Railgun is very likely too good, but EATs should 100% not be as efficient as the Railgun

[glacial light]

Even with lower cooldown you can take down more heavies with railgun compared to spamming EATs

[honest acorn]

That would be really nice yeah

[glacial light]

And railgun can be resupplied

[stone bridge]

EATs are not meant to be your sole method of anti-tank

[meager saffron]

yeah so do you want a railgun and two more railguns on one minute cd every single fight

[stone bridge]

They're a supplemental weapon

[meager saffron]

you do also like

die

[glacial light]

Id want the EAT to be competitive with railgun

Not each EAt being as strong as a railgun

[stone bridge]

I just don't think thats reasonable

[meager saffron]

that's also just missing the clear point of the weapon

it is explicitly disposable

it is already strong as is

[honest acorn]

I wouldn't be shocked if that was baked into the armor calc

I know it works that way for explosives

[glacial light]

But EATs and railgun use the same same heavy slot, one stratgem slot, and railgun is used a lot more. I expect a disposable weapon but even if you spam it it doesn't compared kill as much heavies as a railgun

[stone bridge]

Right, let me put it this way

[glacial light]

It's effectively 2 heavy enemies every 35 seconds between both usages, while railgun can be resupplied and take out a dozen in that time

[stone bridge]

The advantage of EATs is exactly that its disposable and has a low CD - so you can run it alongside, say, a Stalwart, an MG or an Autocannon, all of which have different use cases than the Railgun

If you do see a Charger, you can call in the EATs, drop your heavy, and use it to kill the heavy before picking up your other gun to keep doing the specialist thing you're doing

[barren warren]

lotta fun when a random group sticks with you for a few missions, i got some new random folk from level 2->7 today so i feel good

[stone bridge]

On a far briefer cooldown than an equivalent orbital

And you can even weaponize the hellpod drop on top of that

You can't do that with the Railgun since its on a...10? minute CD

[autumn plover]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/elnWob

[glacial light]

If it were effective I'd see more people using it past 7+

It isn't really competitive compared to other options at the moment

[meager saffron]

it turns out people will just use what is the most effective thing in the game for hard content

expecting anything to compete with a severely overtuned gun is unreasonable

[stone bridge]

People also don't like experimenting

[meager saffron]

so called free helldivers

[stone bridge]

I haven't used that strat yet but I want to in 7+

And I imagine it will actually be quite good

[glacial light]

Yea and the most effective is railgun, other support weapons could be buffed instead of railgun being nerfed

[meager saffron]

no

absolutely not

[glacial light]

Considering were at essentially the begginer levels of the content

[meager saffron]

we have zero armor

[stone bridge]

I can't agree in that case when the Railgun has 20 rounds, each of which can one shot a Bile Titan or Hulk, and functionally two shot a Charger

[honest acorn]

I don't think this is very compelling - most games have populations with incomplete or poor reads on the overall meta

[stone bridge]

We are at the point where you can't exceed the Railgun without creating some kind of absolutely freak AT meta

[glacial light]

Chargers will be small fry in the future

[meager saffron]

viability is not "is the best option in the game"

[honest acorn]

There was a cool older experiment where people brought back season 3 LoL for a while and realized that everyone in S3 sucked at the game and didn't have a good read on it including all the pros

[stone bridge]

We can't judge weapon balance based on future content

[meager saffron]

especially not future content projections based on... nothing

[stone bridge]

We got no idea about armour values or weak points

[glacial light]

If I could see gameplay where AT is as useful as railgun I'd be more inclined to believe, but it seems no one is gonna change their minds so I'll drop it

[barren warren]

its hard to judge a "meta" in "real time" -a card game player, sufferer extraordinaire

[stone bridge]

I'll gladly try the Autocannon + EATs strategy and report back

[honest acorn]

I didn't save it but Briar and myself used the RR to great effect last week

Though I think the RR is less maligned than the EAT

[glacial light]

I do like the RR, but it should be good if it uses a heavy and backslot

[meager saffron]

I already run autocannon/hgl most games, mostly just tinkering with the back slot

[honest acorn]

I did clear a diff 8 op with EAT vs bugs though

[barren warren]

also i can say from messing around tonight scout armor is very useful largley because now im Fast As Fuck Boi

[meager saffron]

scout sneak is real as hell

[honest acorn]

It sort of sucked when the never ending chargers were still around while everything was on CD

But we did ok

[meager saffron]

if teammate is running railcannon or hgl and is capable of working without the safety blanket I've had a lot of fun being the supply mule

[barren warren]

not even just sneaking (which is still good) but being able to run in to a nest, grenade all the holes, and run out untouched because im now a quarterback in the finals is great fun

[honest acorn]

Though I was running, IIRC, orbital railcannon, EAT, rover, 110mm rockets

[meager saffron]

yeah that seems a little tough wrt cds

[stone bridge]

mhm

[meager saffron]

I know why orbital rail is so beloved but I am addicted to pressing arrow keys

so I mostly spam low cd stuff

[stone bridge]

I think for a hypothetical bug build here I'd go Strafe, Airstrike(?), Autocannon, EATs

2nd one I'm not 100% sure on but Airstrike is also just like

Goated

Can't really go wrong

[glacial light]

I rarely see the 110mm rocket strike

I'm not sure how to best use it

[honest acorn]

It works pretty well on chargers if you catch them turning around

[stone bridge]

Yeah

[meager saffron]

110 I've seen mostly for bots

weirdly enough

[stone bridge]

If it doesn't kill the Charger outright it rips open a super weak spot on the shell

[honest acorn]

And consistently at least cracks armor on bile titans

[glacial light]

What's the cooldown on the 110mm again a

[copper crest]

I remember discussing this with a friend a bit ago, and if you inverted camera controls too it'd absolutely be nastier (but also a ticket to motion sickness city)

[glacial light]

Or is it the eagle rocket

[stone bridge]

Eagle Rockets, yeah

[glacial light]

Having played around with eagles I'm still not sure whether it's better to have a lot of eagle or just 1 eagle

I'm thinking once I unlock that final eagle upgrade I might just run 500kg and airstrike, or airstrike and orbital railgun

[honest acorn]

I tend to run a lot of eagle because they are good

[stone bridge]

I dont rate the 500kg

It has a whole lot of flash and relatively little substance, on top of being difficult to use effectively

[honest acorn]

500 kg feels too weird to me

[glacial light]

I found great usage as a stronger precision strike basically, 1 is meh but 2 500kg on a 240 second rearm makes it good

[honest acorn]

It kills the shit of anything really close and then makes an explosion vfx about 10x bigger than the actual damage area it feels like

I also once killed a hulk with the bomb impact which was silly

[glacial light]

So theoretical white room if you only had 500kg as your only eagle you'd have 2 500kg capable of one shotting most heavies every 240 seconds compared to 1 enemy orbital railgun on a 210 second cooldown

[stark ether]

i want the shovel as a support weapon

[stone bridge]

This is true in theory, but in practice the Railcannon is way easier to use; it's also unlikely you'll use both bombs in a row

[glacial light]

Easier yes, but I don't mind using the 500kg in succession. Even on 6 I often see 2 big targets especially on bots

[meager saffron]

I have also seen some goofy railcannon lineups

very cool railcannon I definitely wanted that charger

what is a bile titan

[glacial light]

Bugs railcannon is probably better but bots I feel like drop at least 2 or 3 hulks and tanks every minute

[meager saffron]

I'm not really a huge 500kg enjoyer either

[honest acorn]

The 500kg is definitely good for volume

[meager saffron]

but there are times when even a whiffed 500kg aimed for a bile still takes out 20 odd guys around it

which are debatably the actual threat

[glacial light]

Just don't miss /s

[honest acorn]

I just wish the damage felt commensurate with the explosion size

[meager saffron]

yeah same

[stone bridge]

same

[glacial light]

The explosion is deceptive

[meager saffron]

even though it would ruin my strat of calling in a 500 at my toes

and then making it out entirely unscathed with some light jogging

[stark ether]

i just want a airburst hellbomb you can call down but have to rebuy every time

[glacial light]

Also I plan to use 500kg safely with shield since you can survive a 500kg with a shield for a nice throw at your feet one, is railcannon still safer yes but I don't need safe I need volume of heavy kills

[wide mural]

you whiff the 500kg, kill your friend, and then they kill the bile titan with their reinforcement pod

100% success rate

[meager saffron]

true!

i am helldiver
bug is a fuck
49457394839 team kills

[glacial light]

Me using the strongest orbital, reinforcements

[stark ether]

i somehow managed to teamkill with the railcannon once

[meager saffron]

people will occasionally just walk in the way

[glacial light]

Railcannon decided your teammate was the biggest threat

[wide mural]

watched my orbital laser sweep directly through several friends today

[glacial light]

Don't question it

[stark ether]

i mean... its not wrong

[meager saffron]

it's just a big drone

[wide mural]

trying his best

[meager saffron]

just over your left shoulder

you can't see it

[glacial light]

I will use railcannon until I get that the last eagle upgrade for 500kg cause I don't think it's worth it compared to orbital railcannon by default

[meager saffron]

two 500kgs reduces a lot of the rpg potion-itis

[glacial light]

Still playing on diff 6, I should be ready for 7+ once I get used to the level 20 stuff

[meager saffron]

especially if you run multiple eagle strats

[wide mural]

I got to do some 7s today, it's so much fun with a team that's locked in

[meager saffron]

where whiffing one 500kg means you need to really shit out your cluster bombs as fast as they come off cds or else you're just stuck with a dead gem for hours

and/or you have to reload the eagle early which can screw you later

[glacial light]

I'll admit I'm nota skilled player so I rely on things that are strong so I can punch above my skill level

[meager saffron]

mmmm delicious delicious cheese

yummy

[glacial light]

Yes it's the illusion of being "good"

What's the alternative? I learn and get good?

[wide mural]

I'm still just kind of playing by feel tbh, if it feels good to use I run it

grenade launcher is my best friend

[meager saffron]

love the mgl

[stark ether]

most of my illusion of being good comes from overemphasizing "we dont need to fight that"

[meager saffron]

it goes poomp

[wide mural]

thoomp thoomp thoomp as neurons activate

[glacial light]

But what if we did

[meager saffron]

and twenty dudes go to the moon

also yes a lot of high level play is decided by the better part of valor

[glacial light]

I still need to try out jump pack and GL with bug it seems great for clearing nests and swarms

And just trolling chargers

[wide mural]

it's pretty great for bug nests, yeah

[meager saffron]

jump pack is hilarious

one of those things where you realise actually jumping in a game without a jump is a little nuts

[glacial light]

I get this weird thing where when I play games I immediately decide on like 1 or 2 niches I will fill on a team and how I will play. In Helldivers it's the siege specialist destroying nests and fabs extremely quickly and safely alone so we can finish the mission quickly before the enemies ramp up

[wide mural]

it's wild what the actual rate of fire on the grenade launcher is though, I didn't realize until I started trying to panic fire it the first time and it actually kept up

things smaller than a charger just disappear

[meager saffron]

the last word but for grenades

[glacial light]

I do wish there were more height terrain for jump pack for say bot missions, a lot of flat spaces

Bots don't care if you're in the air, the lasers will pew you

[meager saffron]

I have yet to land the instakill stummy hit on chargers

but I really want to

it seems so satisfying

[glacial light]

Instakill stummy?

[honest acorn]

There's an achievement for killing a charger with the supply call in

[meager saffron]

iirc if you bounce a grenade off the floor into a charger's stomach they just fucking die

[honest acorn]

I think

[glacial light]

I see

[honest acorn]

Oh

[glacial light]

Oh

[honest acorn]

I have yet to do that or see it happen

[glacial light]

RIP me using impacts

[wide mural]

I have a new thing to practice

[meager saffron]

I could be misremembering

[honest acorn]

I've heard a bunch of people say it

[meager saffron]

but if it is real then man its funny

[honest acorn]

But I've yet to see it

[meager saffron]

yeah it could well be received wisdom

[wide mural]

there's an achievement for killing a charger with a resupply drop but idk if it's an instakill

[glacial light]

It is

[honest acorn]

its not

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> alright who up

[honest acorn]

you need to wound them pretty badly or they go into bleedout and then die and you don't get the achievement

[glacial light]

I must be very lucky to get that achievement then

[honest acorn]

i guess so haha

[glacial light]

I just got it randomly

I wasn't the one who called it but I saw it happen

A bunch of us we're running in circles baiting the charger

At like level 4 before we had a good way to deal with hem besides droppod and dumping mags into butt

[meager saffron]

wheeeeeee

[wide mural]

I still usually just dodge through them and magdump into their ass tbh

other people are carrying the armor pen, I gotta make do

[glacial light]

Between levels 5 and 12 was the most fun for me, heavies were always a team wide threat and builds varied a lot

[honest acorn]

https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/MLS-4X_Commando This is something I'd like to see in 2

[glacial light]

Only exception was eagle airstrike cause that's just goated

eagle airstike has served me up until 20

[honest acorn]

Functionally a middle ground between the AC and RR

[oblique lotus]

you can also toss two impacts under them and they'll die

[meager saffron]

eagle is b a n a n a s

[oblique lotus]

oh chat moved

dammit

[honest acorn]

I have yet to see that work haha

[oblique lotus]

I like the spear instead of the commando*

*when the spear oneshots

like the commando was fun but it lacked firepower

[glacial light]

I will go to sleep now with sleep theory crafting of the unreleased mechs, the leaked stuff doesn't make them seem tanky but then again it's literally unreleased

They got them to adjust things

Goodnight

[oblique lotus]

a couple things that I'm curious about was that on launch for a brief period there was a heavy machine gun calldown and an AT laser cannon

[meager saffron]

I have no idea how to feel about the spear

mostly I just miss my gjallarhorn

[oblique lotus]

the spear is a lot of dice rolls

will it lock, will the missile hit, will it actually kill

[meager saffron]

aaaalrighty then chatroom

[oblique lotus]

I'd like to see it be made more consistent

[stone bridge]

The Spear needs a lot of consistency tweaks yeah

[oblique lotus]

did I say something wrong?

[stone bridge]

It's a reference to Will it Kill

[meager saffron]

no its a reference to a bit re: "will it kill"

[stone bridge]

Lmao

[oblique lotus]

ah

I need to brush up on my fightgames lore

[stone bridge]

But yeah if they're gonna keep it as "no ammo from ammo packs, one rocket from supply packs"

It needs the oomph and consistency to warrant it

Rn it does not

[meager saffron]

no ammo from ammo packs is an ooferoni

[honest acorn]

I once had a spear fire, suddenly rocket off 70 meters behind me and then shoot at the target

[oblique lotus]

also they really need to make it lock more consistently because staring at the reticle and screaming at your gun to lock is.....certainly appropriate for helldivers but not exactly fun

[honest acorn]

It still killed it but was very weird

[meager saffron]

once upon a time you used to be able to kill yourself in destiny by firing a tracking rocket then walking into it while it was moving slowly and waiting to track

[stone bridge]

fascinating

[meager saffron]

other loadouts I have considered

arc thrower/supply pack for impulse101

[wide mural]

I am the supply pack enjoyer

everyone loves having one on the team, nobody ever wants to be the guy

noticing people are low on ammo and doing a driveby is great every time

[meager saffron]

the fact that it does reup from resupplies is a little insane

like as strong as you would hope for giving up a backslot but still

[wide mural]

grenade launcher is a hungry little guy too so there's synergy there

but yeah filling the backpack back up from a resupply feels great

nothing's ever wasted

[meager saffron]

I believe the grenade launcher also autoloads if you resupply yourself

which is uj

[golden ledge]

Suddenly: Telesto

[meager saffron]

slightly bananas

[oblique lotus]

it did that in HD1 btw

[meager saffron]

full on Lunafactions

[oblique lotus]

fun telesto-adjacent fact, in helldivers 1 the grenade launcher and rumbler projectiles would detonate when they hit anything, with anything being terrain,trees, enemies, random bits of scenery, etc

there were weapons that ejected physics-enabled shell casings when fired

these counted as "anything"

[meager saffron]

aaaaaaa

[stone bridge]

aaaaaaaaaaa

[meager saffron]

IN 2D?

THAT'S SO CRUEL

[oblique lotus]

helldivers 1 was 3d

just top down camera

[stone bridge]

but yeah Supply Packs are great

[oblique lotus]

but I have gotten "oops'd" by random friendly cases before

[stone bridge]

When I was running as @honest acorn's RR loader I brought a supply pack and we each took the other's back slot options

[wide mural]

nothing like watching a grenade ping off a bug's faceplate and fly directly back toward you

[stone bridge]

Whenever I ran low on rockets he'd resupply me and we kept the loading going

[meager saffron]

royal guard

[meager saffron]

yeah having a spare back for team loader+supplies is such a nasty combo

I think it works best with recoilless because autocannon can be surprisingly self sufficient with the tac load

[stiff pine]

I love that the AC can half load

[stone bridge]

Yeah you just do not need an AC loader

[stiff pine]

so nice

[meager saffron]

it's absolutely batshit

[stone bridge]

It's more novel than anything, though it can be fun

[stark ether]

ac with loader goes brrrrrrrrrrrr

[stone bridge]

The backpack is more there as a balance measure

[stiff pine]

Fun fact: need to increase your combat distance? just fire the AC too close to you!

[stone bridge]

Which is fair

[stiff pine]

😄

[stark ether]

still want hesh rounds for the ac

[stiff pine]

I have completed a point blank reload into ragdolling myself away like team rocket so many times

[meager saffron]

the other thing with the AC is that zero drop means you can just be a sniper rifle with ot

and that usually means you don't need to eat the whole plate at once

you can just pick off two dudes, halfload, repeat

[stone bridge]

Lol yeah

[meager saffron]

and never have to deal with the full load from dry

[stiff pine]

I wish some of the sights were more usable

[stone bridge]

I've full killed a cannon tower from 360m away

[stiff pine]

a lot of them are really busy

[stone bridge]

with an AC

[meager saffron]

yeah I was with you

[stone bridge]

hell yeah

[meager saffron]

I was so confused when you said "hold up"

bang bang bang "ok we good_

[stone bridge]

problem solved baby

[meager saffron]

"I feex"

[stone bridge]

If you think about it the Autocannon really is the multitool of support weapons

hence

handyman

[meager saffron]

the mida mega

[stone bridge]

the what now

[meager saffron]

there is the mida multitool
the mida minitool
and the autocannon is the mega tool

everything sure does look like a nail

[stone bridge]

lmao

indeed

[meager saffron]

<@&1206091872716595200> honkdonk

[stone bridge]

I may be up for a bit in a bit

[cobalt patrol]

I'm around

[unreal merlin]

We got cut off from the Creek and LOST IT.

[wind arrow]

i'm in your ceiling

[graceful bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-in-the-walls-blark-and-son-gif-496111962496383382

[eager pine]

Saw a vid of someone fighting like 7 Bile Titans... possibly more...

Well... In the same vicinity as... at that point I dunno if anything actually counts as fighting them.

[graceful bluff]

hm trying to think of what to put in my quick calldown list

[Gatling][Autocannon][Mortar][Rocket]
[Airstrike][x][Orbital Laser][500kg]```

Just haven't used the orbitals/eagle stratagems much so having a hard time thinking of a fourth

[eager pine]

@graceful bluff Orbital RailCannon.

[graceful bluff]

has a bit too long of a cooldown for me to consider tbh

[eager pine]

For weapons, Grenade launcher.

[graceful bluff]

considering anything the orbital railcannon can do can be done by calling down an EAT

[eager pine]

Railcanon is extremely valuable at high difficulty levels when you're facing 3 or more Bile Titans on the regular.

Why isn't that on the list then?

[unreal merlin]

Railcannon is useful when you really want to delete one thing RIGHT NOW. This is great, but its cooldown is really long so it's only ever the one thing.

[graceful bluff]

Because I use it so much I can do it in my sleep

[eager pine]

Ok well I need to try out expendable ats

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> who up

[hexed steeple]

gimme 10 minutes to boot up the ole ‘puter

[stone bridge]

[cobalt patrol]

@stone bridge YOU HAVE MY SLUGGER

(Bullet. in your skull. accidnetally. I'm sorry)

[stone bridge]

dw i have shield

:)

[hexed steeple]

not for long

[cobalt patrol]

I managed to nail @wind arrow with the railgun as they were getting back to us today, so i'm happy! They said they needed to get to the drop off faster, so i helped.

[stone bridge]

lmao

I'm watching a vid while I wait for Ashley

I found out big Arc Thrower info I'm keen to test out

[cobalt patrol]

Is that the rapid fire trick?

[stone bridge]

Nah, this is its anti-heavy utility

Apparently it can flay off sections of Charger armour, not to the degree the Railgun can but it still creates small super weak spot areas you can hit with a primary to down it

and it six shots hulks

[meager saffron]

arc thrower is weirdly good against heavies despite outwardly doing jack fuck all

[stone bridge]

I honestly think its slept on pretty hard

This is all on an infinite ammo, no reload weapon

[meager saffron]

if they give it an inch it takes five hundred miles

[stone bridge]

@cobalt patrol we're ready when you are

[unreal merlin]

Yeah arc thrower is a secret meta. It's shockingly good in diligent hands

[cobalt patrol]

I'm not very good at it, honestyl, but i'm impressed as hell at what @stone bridge

is doing in this run with it

[stone bridge]

it zapp

[hexed steeple]

i don't like it cause i need my guns to go blam blam kaboom

[modest fiber]

oh while i still remember, on the topic of best girls that are AF pilots

[turbid olive]

Feel the impact of Democracy

[modest fiber]

gotta love the impact

of the 500kg bomb

[turbid olive]

So there's a voice macro software

And I think it would be very funny to macro stratagems to "throwing X" or "X incoming" on open mic

[modest fiber]

🤔 i think the game does something like that? well its quite limited but usually the characters say what type of strat is being thrown.. then again it tends to get drowned under the gunfire.. or people elect to ignore hearing it, i dunno which really

[turbid olive]

Yeah I just mean for like, player immersion

[modest fiber]

mayhaps

<@&1206091872716595200> i am once again asking for reinforcements, difficulty 6-7

[modest fiber]

oh yeess

[dusky solar]

Last one doesn't have source on it huh

One sec

Uhhhh

https://fixvx.com/fancymancer/status/1763979809040765167?s=46&t=pP3y_E1m4-DKTM2yGlT_vw

[modest fiber]

the sauce c:

[unkempt flax]

Posted them a while back
More eagle 1 content is always good content

[modest fiber]

i agree, never enough

[quick crown]

Kill him! Kill him!!!! Put the nose on him and kill him!!!!!! Ahhahahaha!!

https://youtu.be/_hsRG7KVZo0

[unkempt flax]

Prez
My beloved-

[modest fiber]

mhm

[glacial light]

Eagle one is really the main character of Helldivers 2

[modest fiber]

yes

[glacial light]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/9uUCyPoGpo

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, double archthrower is some gooood shit

[quick crown]

Only if my diver has to lean over like that

[modest fiber]

the one downside would be, its unlikely to be used by randoms XD coordination isn't a thing in those, so far what i have seen

also, i require dudes

[quick crown]

Don't we all

[modest fiber]

yes

[hexed steeple]

<@&1206091872716595200> any epic gamers

[rotund marten]

can game epically in 20 mins or so

[hexed steeple]

yipppeeeee

shoot me a ping when ur ready

fuckin ship just exploded next to me

[keen zinc]

Automatons do that

[unreal merlin]

Fight on in recognition of their sacrifice.

[keen zinc]

The loss of each of the crew must be avenged one hundred fold, the loss of the democracy officer must be avenged one thousand fold. These are your orders.

[hexed steeple]

ah man that's so much avenging

[keen zinc]

Get to work.

[candid finch]

This feels very telling but I've only just realised the people on the ship have names

Bjorkman

They're different per ship I think

maybe every time you get back

[dusty spruce]

Oh that’s wonky/cool. I think my discount Zavala is named Bolle. Always has been (I think)

[hexed steeple]

here's the bjorker

mine's called estlind

[candid finch]

God if I'm stuck with Bjorkman

[umbral temple]

oh thats cool

mine is called nystrom

https://i.imgur.com/Y3gndYE.png

[candid finch]

That's a good frickin name

[modest fiber]

<@&1206091872716595200> finishing up a dif 7 against the bugs cause my internet functions again, and i request you send dudes

[barren iron]

im up for some

[umbral temple]

oh i can join

oop nvm real life calls

[honest acorn]

I can do one

[idle hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/606497915287896076/1214225974649032785/RDT_20240304_155937.mp4?ex=65f8570f&is=65e5e20f&hm=e7b12a19c91d9b15029fbdbc853ed7251e6ed73885cc4542266eb6b17a6c8f10&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1205697914601611284/1214210733919698984/rendercombined.png?ex=65f848dd&is=65e5d3dd&hm=952e04034fad24d2d5745da74146e5c4c548a2b0f32a4f93e84ce729371a7526&

[pale remnant]

bile titans

[gritty sundial]

tfw you started on automatons

and only really started doing bugs at like diff 5 anyways XD

I probably have a completely fucked perception of this game's difficulty curve lol

[turbid olive]

All of my missions so far have been bugs at night on a dusty/desert planet