I'm regularly using the liberator's ability to 1-2 hit bots before they call in a ship at long range
#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!
upbeat vector
crystal canopy
Also yeah liberator has a really good ammo economy
And I love using it to pick off the guy calling for help to stop me from taking their home
daring monolith
Breaker is much better vs bugs than bots
With bots you want slightly more range than the breaker can handle but it’s still good to have one in the squad
keen zinc
The breaker has DPS but to get that insane DPS you lose so much sustain
versed hamlet
I had to use the breaker in bots for a bit and it was annoying
did it work in most scenarios? yes
but at the cost of tanking it's ammo efficiency even further
crystal canopy
I've really enjoyed the fairly decent accuracy in sustained fire to efficiently take down devastators and beserkers
versed hamlet
but also I always bring defender which has the main gimmick of ammo efficiency outside of it being one handed
crystal canopy
I like efficiency
versed hamlet
yeah
the spread can be negated by shooting more
but then you use much more ammo per kill
crystal canopy
the only way to beat a robot is to prove you're more efficient than a vile ungodly machine
versed hamlet
why would you say this
crystal canopy
utterly destroy their non existent self esteem.
crystal canopy
why would you say this
true fans of democracy understand that a 26 hour workday simply demonstrates the power of the human spirit to outpace machinery
barren iron
it is roughly half as ammo efficient in terms of damage/total ammo as the lib
eager pine
Um...
oblique lotus
the breaker will three or four tap a berserker up close, with a liberator you need to give it most of the mag
versed hamlet
some historian in 200 years when they pick up hd2 and think democracy means hardcore facism:
oblique lotus
bug
versed hamlet
a berserker is absolute best case for breaker yeah
versed hamlet
anything else on bots and most of the pellets won't hit damaging spots or it'll be overkill/too far away
oblique lotus
fair
keen zinc
Also it doesn't take the whole mag
barren iron
I was meant to say it is close to the same damage/ammo efficiency
keen zinc
The Liberator has a great weakspot modifier so if you can group your shots around their snatched waist you can drop them in 1/3 to 1/2 a mag
Which is about the same ratio as 4 shots out of the breakers magazine
barren iron
yeah
versed hamlet
is weakspot modifier a thing in this game
so many hidden mechanics 
barren iron
but those 4 shots come out way quicker
keen zinc
Ye
oblique lotus
doesn't a breaker have like 16 shots a mag or something
barren iron
in most cases it's about the same ratio of mag use -> dead enemy
versed hamlet
like, weakspot modifier modifier
keen zinc
DPS it wins and Berserkers are basically the Breakers main food group
crystal canopy
is weakspot modifier a thing in this game
so many hidden mechanics <:blueberrysc...
, yeah, try aiming for the joining joint of beserkers and devastators if you can
oblique lotus
fair
barren iron
in most cases it's about the same ratio of mag use -> dead enemy
which is why I think the breaker is just better except for range
oblique lotus
it does do a lot better against bugs just because you can magdump up close for full efficiency
versed hamlet
, yeah, try aiming for the joining joint of beserkers and devastators if you can
no I mean
do guns deal different amounts of weakspot bonus????
keen zinc
I play against bots a lot and I put shot groups in Devastator faces with the Liberator
crystal canopy
no I mean
do guns deal different amounts of weakspot bonus????
I believe so, yeah
At least ime
versed hamlet
I know weakspots are a thing and the multiplier is different per weakspot probably
crystal canopy
Accuracy also matters
keen zinc
The AMR has a very high weakspot modifier
crystal canopy
Like if I shoot a breaker it's less likely all my shots will hit exactly the weakspot
oblique lotus
no I mean
do guns deal different amounts of weakspot bonus????
prooobably
I don't think we have hard data for it but it does feel that way
crystal canopy
i can't say for sure that it's really but it's the only way I can explain damage discrepancies
oblique lotus
and the laser does something to boost damage because there's no way in hell it does 300 dps
keen zinc
Shotguns probably have a low modifier for weakspot but their high damage compensates
crystal canopy
there's probably some kind of hidden weakspot multiplier
versed hamlet
this game reallllly needs to pull weapon stats from data
there's so many hidden ones rn and it seems to be wrong for stuff like armor pen decently often since that's a number they turn into light/medium which obviously doesn't equate 1:1
versed hamlet
i can't say for sure that it's really but it's the only way I can explain damage...
angle matters afaik as well
crystal canopy
angle definitely matters but I think that might just be weakspot inherent stuff and not necessarily the gun
keen zinc
Apparently VELOCITY matters with how the staff talk about it
versed hamlet
and the laser does *something* to boost damage because there's no way in hell it...
300dps is fairly high I think (for having 8 seconds of firing)
but seconds are longer than we think
keen zinc
Also we don't know squat about health or armor values
junior badge
Apparently VELOCITY matters with how the staff talk about it
was pretty crazy to hear about "yeah, the smg does more damage per bullet, but the AR has more velocity, so it stays at that damage for longer and so on"
versed hamlet
and also the text is sometimes just bad like with shield backpack and emplacement saying they're limited time once activated but they're just a regenerating hp pool on a cooldown
crystal canopy
this game reallllly needs to pull weapon stats from data
there's so many hidden ...
I think they're intentionally hiding some stuff so we find out for ourselves? Not sure
versed hamlet
it's impossible to figure out when there's so many competing factors which may or may not be bugged
and it'd probably be harder to isolate many of them than in irl scientific studies
and asking your players to hold themselves to a higher standard of trial count than a scientific studies sounds absurd
keen zinc
I really hope they add the Ninja because I want an SMG that isn't a fucking sten gun that doesn't brrrt it's ammo in a microsecond
versed hamlet
huh?
versed hamlet
the smg is higher damage than the AR but same capacity
it basically does the opposite of brt it's ammo
keen zinc
The Defender is a sten gun
crystal canopy
I want them to add the vickers
keen zinc
The Knight sneezes it's bullets instantly
barren iron
the defender is AWESOME though????
it's so cool
and dont you diss the sten gun either
keen zinc
Get rocked by my stunning cunning linguistics
versed hamlet
I love the defender for the opposite reason I love smgs in other games
keen zinc
and dont you diss the sten gun either
Ah yes I totally want the fucking weight of the gun ENTIRELY OFF TO ONE SIDE
meager saffron
defender is the helldivers antiope-d, shit rules
crystal canopy
I want them to add the vickers
if we ever get protracted defense missions I beg that we get sent to the god damn trenches
barren iron
Ah yes I totally want the fucking weight of the gun ENTIRELY OFF TO ONE SIDE
ok but it looks cool
versed hamlet
Ah yes I totally want the fucking weight of the gun ENTIRELY OFF TO ONE SIDE
not my problem™️
my divers must just be very skilled at distributing weight
keen zinc
Have you ever HELD a sten gun? With ammo? That thing is fucking AWFUL
barren iron
yea
versed hamlet
I've barely looked at it I just like the mechanics and stats
barren iron
actually
versed hamlet
sometimes it bugs out and looks like a railgun
keen zinc
At least put the mag on top like the funny bren
barren iron
if you hold a sten gun properly it's not really super noticeable
oblique lotus
it'd be nice if the silencer on the knight functioned
because fun fact the knight's silencer in HD1 was entirely cosmetic
keen zinc
if you hold a sten gun properly it's not really super noticeable
Eh, magwell grip causes misfeeds and prevents a good firing position
oblique lotus
any perceived reduction in enemy detection was placebo
keen zinc
Only suitable for close quarters
meager saffron
loudener
keen zinc
LOUDENER
barren iron
Only suitable for close quarters
mhm mhm mhm
so like where you should be using an SMG instead of a rifle?
versed hamlet
'close quarters' in games is usually totally disconnected from ranges irl
keen zinc
And as we learned, having to have both is worse than an intermediary, the assault rifle
versed hamlet
sometimes due to render range, other times different factors
keen zinc
mhm mhm mhm
so like where you should be using an SMG instead of a rifle?
Carbine, and even then, the side grip is more of a disadvantage due to it causing your stance to widen and presenting a jutting protrusion on the side of your gun to get caught on things
There is a reason we stopped doing that
The Sten was cheap not good
keen zinc
The Thompson was like a funny opposite of the Sten
Powerful, but expensive and heavy as fuck
But from them both emerged the wonder of the Grease Gun
The ultimate lifeform
crystal canopy
im tellling you, we need the vickers
it would save us
versed hamlet
But from them both emerged the wonder of the Grease Gun
what was actually the grease gun
I made a game with a gun that shot grease in it once and people memed it
keen zinc
crystal canopy
it is a silly weapon
north fiber
It's an American WWII SMG that looks like a grease gun
keen zinc
Cheap? Check. Easily maintained? Check. Ergonomic? Check. Lightweight? Check. Effective? Check.
The ultimate in mass produced stamped metal submachinegunnery until the Scorpion
versed hamlet
understandable
keen zinc
versed hamlet
is that the scorpion
keen zinc
Defend Mort you dogs
We cannot let them have it!
It's almost time, it's so close to victory
keen zinc
TO MORT, DEPLOY
Malevelon fell because Draupnir was not defended
And now the Bots are attacking at Ingmar
glacial light
Superearth wouldn't sabotage or misreport the war effort for Managed Democracy would they?
keen zinc
The bots pour through the Creek and invade Ingmar
Xzar must be defended or we cannot retake the Creek
crystal canopy
ill hop on to defend ingmar later
stark ether
crystal canopy
i need to take the war back to malevelon
keen zinc
https://tenor.com/view/military-gif-22903690
With Draupnir and Mantes fallen, there was no route to Malevelon
crystal canopy
did draupnir seriously fall again lmao
versed hamlet
it was a defense right
crystal canopy
yeah i expected people to do better during the campaign for it though
versed hamlet
I feel like we have 3/10 odds to win those at best
stark ether
the worst part is knowing twas not the bots that won, but the farmers that gave it away
crystal canopy
abandoning operations doesnt hurt us
versed hamlet
I feel like the abandon op thing is scuffed in general
crystal canopy
its abandoning missions that does
versed hamlet
are you sure???
crystal canopy
based on dev comments
versed hamlet
I hate telephoneeeee
because someone told me the exact opposite (based on dev comments)
versed hamlet
we desperately need a wiki that isn't fandom
crystal canopy
basically, abandoning a mission and failing it hurts
abandoning an operation just loses medals
the real issue was likely people not doing extraction missions
and tbf extraction missions are frustrating, low payout, and very hard to win
versed hamlet
well I doubt anyone is really completing operations because there's a minimum of 1 researcher extract per op on defenses
yeah
crystal canopy
i tried to do a few legit extraction missions with a group last night
stark ether
was this just poorly worded then?
crystal canopy
and it was just not happening
evil bosse was just wrong
the lead dev corrected this
stark ether
ahh
honest acorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1001958391188570236/1211905512543625227/s...
Basically either that info or the other one is wrong
honest acorn
And I think the more recent one is more likely to be accurate
versed hamlet
it's fairly easy to solo them 3 and lower I think
but that awards less progress and doesn't give many rewards
you can sc grind okay that way
but people would rather quit sc grind probably
crystal canopy
i need to sc grind 😔
versed hamlet
me and grums found 90 in 20 minutes once
but the '40 per hour' is probably the baseline for not trying to do it
crystal canopy
its just i have to do it and that was a reminder lmao
versed hamlet
i play warframe and gacha
it's no warframe necramech parts grind thats for sure
versed hamlet
yeah you honestly don't need to
crystal canopy
unless i get wiped by someone hitting me with an airstrike by accident
honest acorn
I find the SC grind is very chill if you’re just clearing maps
crystal canopy
i like hopping on sc grind and goofing around during it
versed hamlet
unless you want to buy everything in the superstore
stark ether
if you have 1 or two other people intent on sc farming you can do extracts and still get ~5-7m clear times
crystal canopy
me and misc were beating the shit out of each other during extraction while the bots attacked us for fun
very funny
i tried to keep misc alive and break every limb at once simultaneously
versed hamlet
you probably still get a decent amount of medals from trival sc grinding due to the pickups
oh for the achievement
crystal canopy
you get like 2 a mission
versed hamlet
I got 9 once
crystal canopy
yeah unfortunately misc had their armour on
so i plan to do it again
ill be on sc grind later almost certainly
versed hamlet
you can get 3 per pickup even on trivals
crystal canopy
yeah i mean like
on average
just from the basic drops
not even counting pickups
versed hamlet
and the trival spam finishes missions decently fast
versed hamlet
2 medals isn't very much when area clear spam exists
crystal canopy
it's slightly slower than bot killing but it's still good rates
versed hamlet
which is probably similar time for 10 or so each
actually quick extract uhhh
means you get like +2 minutes saved per mission
give researcher extract quick extract and it'd probably be best for trival spam
but it needs qol desperately lol
crystal canopy
Researchers just need to be more defensible
there's like nothing that stops hulks and tanks from just walking in and killing you
versed hamlet
at best it's button pressing simulator tacked onto area clear it feels like
since the researcher ai just goes
the path seems to be independent of any external factors, I've had them path up rock faces successfully sometimes and get stuck waiting outside other times
which is a shame because they're relatively survivable compared to most games multi extract npcs
crystal canopy
yeah the real issue is the fucking spawns
It's like having an eye of sauron endlessly on you
versed hamlet
it always feels detrimental to actually protect them instead of spamming them and killing everything so hopefully they make it
crystal canopy
Not exaggerating that last night me and my group were facing 4-5 hulks at once on diff 5
versed hamlet
the spawns were supposed to be reduced after the first wave but I think lack of fabricators messes stuff up
glacial light
Yea it seems the best strat is to drop outside the area and make a lot of noise to lure bots away from the scientist area while someone with a stealth armor activates them
versed hamlet
I think it needs side objectives to <random benefit>
like maybe SAM defenses or something you can do side objectives to turn on for a bit
glacial light
Which I don't think seems inrended
keen zinc
There IS a civilian extract mission that is WAY better than the defense one
versed hamlet
some sort of depth
because I don't think the current iteration has enough which is why they probably plastered it over with difficulty accidentally
honest acorn
Yeah the other one is cool
keen zinc
Idk why they don't just use that one
versed hamlet
There IS a civilian extract mission that is WAY better than the defense one
yeah, also just not using the same exact mission type every time and using the other extracts
keen zinc
There the extract is the finale rather than the whole mission
honest acorn
I remember the scientist extract in HD1 sucking too but in a “you usually fail this one” way
versed hamlet
they could also not require a mission like that each campaign in the first place
honest acorn
And it’s just an objective among several
versed hamlet
did the defense mission come out later?
oblique lotus
I remember the scientist extract in HD1 sucking too but in a “you usually fail t...
we usually just killed them to skip it
versed hamlet
it feels like it's a 'oooo look at the shiny new mission type'
in hd2, some of the patch notes make me think that
oblique lotus
scientist extract was slow and painful
murdering them and leaving is fast and easy
versed hamlet
it feels like it's a 'oooo look at the shiny new mission type'
in hd2, some of t...
but then the mission type is awful
honest acorn
Yeah it was hard
And I don’t think the way it worked would work for HD2
Since it’d just be distraction trio and someone sneakily leading them
crystal canopy
but then the mission type is awful
honestly I don't think extraction would be too bad with adjustments
When it goes well it's fairly short and simple
versed hamlet
I think it's either going to be boring or hard unfun with no in-between
especially since you have to spam it to defend, no alternatives
crystal canopy
I think it should have you hellbomb the site
versed hamlet
other missions also have more variation wheras extract is like "did you roll a path that gets them stuck and it's actually unwinnable? no? cool map feels basically the same"
crystal canopy
Lower the number of extracts, add the scorched earth
And make you stick a flag down as you run away
honest acorn
Flag plants are cool I wish they showed up on higher difficulty
keen zinc
Ye
crystal canopy
I think it would be more fun and funnier
planting your flag on your own soil after you just nuked it
honest acorn
I agree though I do think that having more objective than “push buttons” would help them
rich marlin
Tactical eepyness
https://fxtwitter.com/DeltyThe73rd/status/1762417232993452122?t=wf9O3zPnOFbc6m9BULxZ9A&s=19
vestal trail
I got 9 once
Yeah, Dragon and I made bank on one mission, it was wild
stark ether
reminder: it is tuesday
oblique lotus
reminder: it is tuesday
muffled screaming
kindred lintel
We need the mine detector one back
dusty spruce
I think Mort is gonna die during the Steam reset ;(
dusty spruce
We need the mine detector one back
100% agree. I think I saw somewhere that a lot of objectives will be added/return.
kindred lintel
dont doubt it
dusty spruce
I'm just waiting for the mechs to come back. I dearly miss my Lumberer
kindred lintel
I want my apc
versed hamlet
Yeah, Dragon and I made bank on one mission, it was wild
that was medals, we did get 90 sc tho
versed hamlet
I think Mort is gonna die during the Steam reset ;(
steam maint is usually like 3 minutes at least
autumn plover
though it obv has to be open lol
nocturne saffron
Yeah
Dunno how well this works with standard grenades, this seems to be mostly about direct contact explosives
honest acorn
works fine but its easy to get those into the vents
versed hamlet
the door is not advisable to wait for imo
it sometimes takes eons before opening
if it's opened though go for it, just watch for people coming out like with bug holes
if you don't have impacts I wouldn't even try tbh
unreal merlin
I've learned it's not worth trying to alleyoop impact nades into the vents and I'm too impatient to wait for the door. Eagle airstrike/rockets is my go-to instead.
burnt vapor
It definitly takes practice to get good at geting nades into the vents but it's pretty reliable once you get it down
oblique lotus
you can semi-consistently get impacts into the vents by aiming below the vent
like at the lower bar
honest acorn
I've been mostly running incendiary for grenades so I just ventlob
The AC can as well but its weird to get a feel for
versed hamlet
I'm decent at impact venting if the terrain is flat and I have some space to back up but bad otherwise
eagle airstrike mvp for sure tho
honest acorn
it definitely works it just feels like a big cd to use for fabs
unreal merlin
I'm almost exclusively hunting to blow up fabricators on bot missions tbh so I have zero qualms bringing precision orbital strike and eagle rocket strike and beelining those dumb red buildings.
stone bridge
If you bring a Spear you can also destroy them at a very long distance
versed hamlet
you get 3 before it goes on a medium cooldown
eagle upgrades just have big numbers
plus you can often get multiple in one airstrike at bigger bases and do it without entering the base
keen zinc
Impact Grenades are easier the further you are away from the fab
For real
It's easier to Kobe a grenade than Jordan it
versed hamlet
my loadout is basically always (for bots)
defender, railgun, shield backpack, rocket sentry, eagle airstrike
rocket sentry is the jack of all trades sentry, it does everything okay
daring monolith
The AC can as well but its weird to get a feel for
the ac has to bounce down into the factory I think
bc it ricochets off the vent at the wrong angle
keen zinc
The hatch is at like a 45 degree angle
So it's actually quite easy to bounce autocannon shells down into it
honest acorn
It's pretty easy but you have to be close or downslope
cerulean sluice
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone down for a level 6 dive, probably on Mantes?
keen zinc
Gimme an hour
merry cosmos
Gimme an hour
Same here
crystal canopy
i'd be down
keen zinc
Remember Creek
versed hamlet
no I'm already forgetting how scary bile spewers are and that was my starting experience with no gear
merry cosmos
no I'm already forgetting how scary bile spewers are and that was my starting ex...
Paper spewers when you hit them with that orbital railcannon strike
versed hamlet
not at level 4
eager pine
I think they "Fixed" the only workable tactic for completing high level "Retrieve Essential Personnel" missions cause I just tried it and the enemy dropped drop ships on my position even with the rest of the team all distracting them.
I got to halfway through the objective before it started though.
keen zinc
Did you drop at the point or with the team
eager pine
What do you mean?
honest acorn
Doesn't the whole team need to drop at the same spot?
keen zinc
And yeah sometimes they find you and you have to rejoin the squad and then sneak off again
Wait what did I mean by that
10 hour workdays fry my brain by the end
eager pine
Well, I snuck off once and lost them... then when I went back they dropped even more dropships on top of me.
Like, directly inside the base.
keen zinc
Hmm no clue
honest acorn
ECM got another one
meager saffron
they don't know chat
unreal merlin
ECM Scramble is such a struggle sometimes.
honest acorn
It's a shame that the Illuminate aren't in release so people can't think things are bugged when you get ||mind controlled||
eager pine
wtf, the HD2 discord can only have 500k members too? DX
Is this a joke?
It's not a very funny one...
keen zinc
Good God
honest acorn
Discord also fucked up Arrowhead's main community manager because she sent to many DMs haha
She got tagged as a spammer and all her posts got limited for a while
meager saffron
💀
versed hamlet
abandon discord embrace... discord
revolt is not quite there yet
oblique lotus
Discord also fucked up Arrowhead's main community manager because she sent to ma...
I feel bad for the people running that discord
last I heard it's still a complete shitshow
honest acorn
It's a lot better
But it was very bad during the bad server days because a lot of people were basically just spamming the discord and trying to get in
versed hamlet
server capped about the server cap 
honest acorn
<@&1206091872716595200> looking for a few
stone bridge
<@&1206091872716595200> looking for a few
I'll be on in ~10
stuck ravine
fringe quiver
Question, how do you select or filter for a specific mission type?
rich marlin
Alas 
honest acorn
The DMR was a lot better than I remembered
It’s annoying tricky but it kills devastators really well with headshots
Admittedly, a lot of the difficulty is controller aim
unreal merlin
My advice is to shoot their waists instead of the head
honest acorn
And takes out small bots well at long range, but that’s not exactly that rare
honest acorn
My advice is to shoot their waists instead of the head
I think you’re thinking of berserkers I mean the big shooter guys
unreal merlin
Yeah devastators have relatively unarmored waistlines too!
oblique lotus
I am fully convinced that the laser stats are either lies or so far from its effective stats that they may as well be lies
I burned out a heavy devastator with like 1 second of fire to the head
unreal merlin
though admittedly I'm used to using a railgun so the threshold for acceptable "weakspots" is a lot wider
honest acorn
Yeah that's a different calculus haha
fringe quiver
rip
keen zinc
6 impact grenades is a serious power
fringe quiver
can't do defense missions on challenging difficulty because my guns are too weak
keen zinc
Jump pack, grenade launcher, +2 grenade armor, supply pack to call in for snacks
unreal merlin
Q spamming impact grenades into a crowd of devastators is silly good
honest acorn
can't do defense missions on challenging difficulty because my guns are too weak
defense missions are fucked that's not just you haha
keen zinc
I love my highly aggressive play style
See a target? I am now on a strike vector to take that thing out with explosions
honest acorn
I am fully convinced that the laser stats are either lies or so far from its eff...
The Scythe is also interesting to me because I think its the most polarizing weapon I've seen
People are like "this is trash" or "this is diff 9 edc"
fringe quiver
defense missions are fucked that's not just you haha
on medium I could manage but when I swapped to challenging it dropped like 6 devestators and 3 scouts and I was like "tf I'm just 1 borblo"
honest acorn
yeah 3 to 4 is a major spike in difficulty
stone bridge
I'm scoutpilled, I love that perk
Being able to move as an independent operator is a big advantage
keen zinc
Yeah I used to love explosion resist but
2 extra impact grenades is more impactful than I thought
Impact Grenades are also insanely good against tanks and turrets
honest acorn
yeah that's seemed very good
keen zinc
Also you can throw grenades accurately from jump pack
stone bridge
I like not being seen
glacial light
I'm currently rocking the throw range, makes a difference and you are basically a nest/factory clearing mortar with stratagem
Oh man scrolling up I missed the Charger talk that was tangentially related to EAT
I found an EAT to a leg followed up by 4 to 5 shots from breaker will down a Charger
honest acorn
Throw range is really nice
Yeah that's I think the fastest way to do that
The recoilless will also do it
south temple
i personally enjoy overwhelming application of a 900rpm machine gun but it's def not optimal
glacial light
I like recoilless better than EAT but unfortunately to reload the RR you need a backpack slot open either on yourself or your teammates
And backpack slots are at a premium
honest acorn
Yeah, and EATs recharge so fast
Plus if you're lucky the pod will stick on something important and kill it
glacial light
It's a good strat
Also EATs are versatile like since they count as explosive they can takeout nests and factories
Good for distant ones on larger bases
unreal merlin
The Scorch is unbelievably good for netting high accuracy and lots of kills on raiders. Over 90% of this was purely just the plasma rifle.
honest acorn
I was a huge eat fan in HD1 but I hadn't used them as much in 2
Partially its the autocannon honestly
that shit is cranked asf
gritty sundial
I caved and spent 5 bucks to get the premium bond
honest acorn
And I like backpacks for slot efficiency
gritty sundial
for the cool eyepiece helmet and the senator
unreal merlin
It's NUTS, pro tip for prospective plasma rifle users: if you aim at the hips of automaton scout striders you can 2 shot them every single time (the explosive AOE kills the driver)
glacial light
I love the idea of the autocannon too but again backslot cost
honest acorn
I don't mind carrying it because it gives me another slot for moar red strats
stone bridge
The Autocannon is def balanced by taking your back slot, the packs are all extremely strong
glacial light
I play solo a lot without communication so I must be a lone wolf
stone bridge
Makes up for or it by being such a swiss army knife of a weapon though
glacial light
I use the range armor mostly to yeet stratagems onto bases before my teammates run too close to it
cobalt patrol
Makes up for or it by being such a swiss army knife of a weapon though
You were doing impressive work with it last night, yeah
cobalt patrol
The Scorch is unbelievably good for netting high accuracy and lots of kills on r...
I got to try the scorcher a little bit last night, and it seems qquite fun
lethal dagger
Me and some Randoms did extract scientists on diff 6 and managed it, meanwhile me and friends in a 4 stack did it on hard and failed horribly
I prefer the tank spam to hulks, by a lot
unreal merlin
Tanks are way better than hulks, at least you can just drop a single 110 rocket strike and guaranteed kill the tank
honest acorn
They also don't have a like 150 degree arc kill move with the flamer
glacial light
also bruiser hulks that one shot you from full health from a 100m
honest acorn
I routinely survive those with democracy protects armor until i hit the ground afterwards gravity is a traitorous undemocratic force
glacial light
I hope armor fix changes that
Bruiser hulks, rockets, and closeby spitter bugs one shot me
Let me tank and be slow with heavy armor
Some of them look cool
lethal dagger
I hope heavier armor gives increased knockback resist
glacial light
That would be great, less dropping stratagems on the ground while you're ragdolling
unreal merlin
I hope armor fix changes that
Heavy armor users after armor ratings get fixed:
https://makeagif.com/i/UJuuVp
Unrelated, I got to play with an old friend after years of being disconnected and it's kind of unbelievable how much situational awareness he has compared to the randoms I've been stuck with.
We were making a break for extraction running essentially single file as a squad. I check my map and see a ping behind us, so I whip around to shoot - and he's instantly noticed me turning around suddenly and whips around at the exact same time to engage the target he doesn't even know is there, he just recognizes the only reason I'd turn around like that.
Compared to the people I've seen who might have vacuum chambers for skulls that can't refrain from running towards their own thrown airstrikes.
rich marlin
Gotta go divin
cobalt patrol
I find Hulks a lot easier to kill but i'm a railgun main
so
One railgun, one tank
rich marlin
Apparently my game just does not like bot missions
oblique storm
rich marlin
I can do bot defenses alone but not the evac of scientists
Alas
Back to the bug war, as that’s easier on my computer XD
stone bridge
wonder what the Superstore will rotate to today
cobalt patrol
I'm assuming it'll keep up the repeats
stone bridge
yeah, I think the uh, ultralight med-kit armour is due in
cobalt patrol
that's what i'm expecting
rotund marten
I don't use that armour as often as the stats deserve because it looks awful
rich marlin
Hm, should I buy the Light gunner armor?
wind arrow
cobalt patrol
@rich marlin If we're right, there'll be a better lgiht armor v. soon
rich marlin
Hope so!
cobalt patrol
also <@&1206091872716595200> i'll be around for some HELL DIVING soon tm
wind arrow
hey do we know if the FF stat at end screen is FF dealt or FF taken?
cobalt patrol
I belive dealt
cobalt patrol
<@&1206091872716595200> I really hope some of you are around soon cos oooof.
rotund marten
I can helldive in about five minutes
just finishing breakfast, was interrupted by call from Doc
fleet jacinth
Ah just got off, sorry
unkempt river
Sorry, I'm at work :(
fleet jacinth
Also jesus noone was kiddin when they said automaton vietnam. When I close my eyes all I see is red
daring monolith
Malevelon creek got reset again bc we lost the draupnir defense. Which I find mildly funny
idle hollow
rotund marten
the Scorcher is just incredible for bots
kills scout walkers in two shots, does solid damage against devastators, oneshots the infantry and can be spammed into hulk/tank/tower weakspots to kill in about one magazine
also managed to max out the ship
samples are now just set dressing
about 1.7 levels to go for 50, requisition already maxxed, that just leaves medals
about 350 medals to go before all I have left to get is cosmetics
stone bridge
samples are now just set dressing
Until next content drop when they introduce the mech portion of the ship
Keep stockin'
cobalt patrol
You're fine
candid finch
You're feeling it now Mr Krabs
junior badge
A proud managed democrat, I see!
supple siren
Finally got the extra round of Eagle 1 Drops, this is so empowering
burnt vapor
Eagle one is truly the best Lean default pilot voice 1 for being willing to give up leg space for more bombs
candid finch
I keep running across teams of three level 8's who are trying to do civilian escape bots and getting mollywhapped
just utterly destroyed cause no one can access a railgun yet
also how do I change it from safe to unsafe?
pale remnant
Hold down the reload button, same as changing firerate on other guns
pale remnant
Huh, weird, you should be able to select unsafe mode in that menu
kindred lintel
There is a limiter on the side of the gun, capping its damage
pale remnant
Uncaps charging, safe mode stops at 75%
kindred lintel
First person can see it better
candid finch
Is there a reason to have it on safe?
fringe quiver
If it's a railgun I would assume safe means you won't blow yourself up at close range
kindred lintel
Is there a reason to have it on safe?
Not really. Just be careful because if you OC then the gun blows up, killing you and it in the process
kindred lintel
killing you and it in the process
jolly mortar
I do not trust my erratic attention span to not overcharge it every time so I just leave it on safe.
hallow gorge
What's everyone's thoughts on the electric support gun whatever it's called. I tried it out on some missions recently and I think I love it
candid finch
I blew myself up but not the gun before... maybe I just got shot and thought it was me overloading
the arc thrower is pretty awesome but will kill your friends
It's like a dark urge on your shoulder
you totally should use it when there's someone else in front of you
shame the scope on the railgun is kinda poop
keen zinc
Balance
candid finch
still a shame
jolly mortar
yeah the only times I used the arc thrower I caused like. two squad wipes. and i accepted it was not for me.
same reason I forbid myself from touching the flamethrower
I cannot be trusted with fire
honest acorn
What's everyone's thoughts on the electric support gun whatever it's called. I t...
I really like it vs bugs but I’m less sold vs bots
jolly mortar
which is weird because you'd think itd be the opposite
honest acorn
Takes a lot of shots to take down scout walkers and devastators
crystal canopy
i think arc thrower/flamethrower are great for guys that run at you and can't shoot back
like bugs
jolly mortar
that's the vibe i get
unfortunately I have no self-control with flamethrowers especially and pug teammates will just run into the line of fire and die
the flamethrower needs buffing to be worth the risk either way
honest acorn
i think arc thrower/flamethrower are great for guys that run at you and can't sh...
Arc thrower has the range to engage bots it just doesn’t kill rocket devastators that fast and I need something which kills them fast haha
jolly mortar
yeah rocket devs are basically a game of snipe them first before they snipe you as soon as one is spotted
honest acorn
Also fire grenades are extremely good, probably the best thing on the premium pass
crystal canopy
yeah i mean flamethrower has some range too, its really the issue that it cant kill bots fast enough to not get FUCKING ROCKETED
honest acorn
Speaking of flame weapons
crystal canopy
bugs are great for flame
they will just walk through the entire corridor and almost all of them can't attack you from range
jolly mortar
flamethrower is solid against like. the small bugs, honestly. anything bigger and it starts to falter.
crystal canopy
i mean flame in general
crystal canopy
e.g. napalm, mine field, grenades
jolly mortar
I pack the napalm strikes on bug missions regularly for a reason
the gas strike is good for them too, because both gas and flame are basically big area denial they have to run through
bots can shoot through it but for bugs it's a legitimate obstacle
jolly mortar
gas is great in general
jolly mortar
I pack it regularly when I don't just run my 500kg+eagle airstrike setup
honest acorn
single-target AP stuff though
That stuff is so backloaded on levels
crystal canopy
yeah i mean single target AP is obviously good
but i wish there were options you could get before like, lvl 20
jolly mortar
yeah
honest acorn
I think rockets are like level 13 and pretty good
crystal canopy
they are but you only get 8
jolly mortar
there's a real problem with the progression in that they want us fighting bots but all the really good anti-bot weapons are kind of backloaded and it takes a while to get to 20 from jump
honest acorn
Sorry I was vague - I meant the 110 mm rocket strike
jolly mortar
I need to pack the 110s more
honest acorn
The recoilless is actually so goated if you can pull off buddy loading it
honest acorn
But that takes a lot of coordination you don’t get with randos
jolly mortar
a really good, dependable AP primary would be nice
crystal canopy
and i think that helldivers is basically MGSV meets horde shooter
jolly mortar
it kind of is
honest acorn
There’s a few which punch through medium armor
honest acorn
Yeah I think that’s accurate
crystal canopy
and we have reverse fultons
honest acorn
It feels really mgs5-y on foot
crystal canopy
alongside air drops
honest acorn
We just need a 📦 weapon
jolly mortar
gods that would be funny
sneaking past diff 8 bots, detonating an outpost, and hiding in your box to sneak away
fringe quiver
Tbf I should probably be posting here when talking about helldivers 2
Also speaking of the evac missions being difficult
Is it just me or when you do any mission with primary objectives you suddenly get swarmed after completing all the primary objectives?
honest acorn
I haven’t really noticed that
crystal canopy
its when you call for extraction
keen zinc
I hope they make the flamer good
Have fire DoT cause more damage, slow or stagger, and lower armor value the longer they are on fire so pouring flame on an armored target will eventually begin to melt em down
rotund marten
@stone bridge
honest acorn
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone wanna go?
crystal canopy
sure, gimme 10 minutes
vestal trail
Not really. Just be careful because if you OC then the gun blows up, killing you...
Genuine question as someone who's run it on both settings and hasn't found a reason to use unsafe, what does unsafe offer? Because I've yet to see any notable breakpoint changes.
crystal canopy
@honest acorn do you want to Return to Malevelon
graceful bluff
Born too soon to liberate Malevelon Creek, Born just in time to liberate Malevelon Creek
kindred lintel
Genuine question as someone who's run it on both settings and hasn't found a rea...
No idea, its a placebo
Bile titan takes a bunch so it might help
crystal canopy
Born too soon to liberate Malevelon Creek, Born just in time to liberate Malevel...
soldier, we've been fighting this war for four generations and its been a week
junior badge
d'yall still have a slot free for me to join?
junior badge
2691-1730
red steeple
First 500kg bomb after unlocking took out two bile titans and I couldn’t be happier to have been putting samples into upgrading Eagle’s hangar 😌
graceful bluff
how important are the updates to being able to pull your own weight? like say if I bought the game now and everyones playing higher difficulty stuff
vestal trail
Man, we're just gonna lose the first campaign against the bots because people can't leave the Creek alone, huh?
pale remnant
We love the creek
jolly mortar
the creek's really only like, one small part of why the bot campaign is falling apart
too many people over on bugs still, farmers setting back progress, the rescue missions being overtuned resulting in people avoiding them and not progressing defense planets enough, and the meme focus on the creek is the bulk of the problem
graceful bluff
this but the creek is how I understand it
jolly mortar
honestly more of a draupnir girlie myself. the creek is fun, but I love draupnir's layout.
fringe quiver
I try to do the automaton missions
But my guns don't penetrate their armor so when I get swarmed by multiple devastators and can only blow up like 1 drop ship at a time cause I'm lvl 5 what can I do lol
jolly mortar
that's another problem, really. low level players suffer in bot missions because a lot of the like decent-not-even-great anti-bot tools are deeper in the progression
pale remnant
I've found the basic machine gun to be pretty handy for devestators, it has medium armour pen and chews through them pretty well
jolly mortar
I think them launching with a bot campaign was kind of a mistake, really
pale remnant
Can even saw the arms off of hulks in a pinch
jolly mortar
shoulda been bugs, so more low-level players could contribute
rotund marten
the creek is just extremely fun
jolly mortar
it is yeah
rotund marten
one of the best and prettiest planets
jolly mortar
it's just, like, not the reason the campaign is failing
I'm also not even fully convinced it is failing. they may be deliberately overtuning the bot progress to counter the absurd amount of players they didn't expect to have to balance around
so what we're seeing as us losing may just be them trying to slow us down so we don't blow through the campaign in like, a week or two
crystal canopy
too many people over on bugs still, farmers setting back progress, the rescue mi...
at least we know that farmers aren't the issue now
It's just no one's doing extracts
jolly mortar
the rescue missions? cause yeah, nobody really wants to deal with them
glacial light
Automaton extracts at higher difficulty are harder than most other mission types of it's level
By a lot
jolly mortar
yeah
I haven't tried one yet on higher than like, diff 5. but I was able to keep up on an entire diff 8 bots campaign that didn't have the rescue mission.
so bots aren't really the problem, it's the specific mission type
keen zinc
Maybe once the armor patch hits
A good Heavy may be able to hold ground against berserker swarms and anchor the team
Who knows
jolly mortar
maybe, but it feels like the problem is more with the frequency of the bot drops being pretty much nonstop
keen zinc
Yeah obviously the mission needs balancing but armor would definitely help
glacial light
Yea I wonder how much difference it's going to makr
I hope it makes heavy armor worth it
keen zinc
I really hope so
jolly mortar
yeah i honestly hope heavy armor is like. tanky tanky. because you really feel that stamina debuff.
glacial light
Also for bugs light armor is just better most of the time since you can kite bugs and take 0 damage if you're good at it
keen zinc
Yeah
Well in HD1 heavy armor just made you outright immune to small bug attacks
You could just wade through them
Focus on the big ones
glacial light
That would be amazing
jolly mortar
that's what I want
jolly mortar
heavy armor should let you just be a dedicated heavy hunter, because they're the biggest threats to you
keen zinc
A heavy just knee deep in bugs just focusing his Machine-Gun on a spewer or brood commander
glacial light
It does not feel good to be one shot and I will be a snail to avoid it if I could
pale remnant
I just use the coinflip armour
glacial light
I should but I love my throw armor
pale remnant
I was using medic armour for a fair bit, but the coinflip armour has saved my arse so many times
glacial light
And i have the heavy version of the throw armor waiting for when they fix it
graceful bluff
coinflip armor just seems stupid good and I can't get over how they had the deluxe version just give you it from the start
glacial light
I was using medic armour for a fair bit, but the coinflip armour has saved my ar...
Does it let you know if it saves you?
jolly mortar
I like my extra grenades too much to swap off of engineering kit until they fix heavy armor
pale remnant
It doesn't make a noise or anything but if you end up on one health after being biled or rocketed or whatever it's definitely the coinflip saving you
jolly mortar
having 6 impact grenades to chuck makes a pretty big difference on higher difficulties
because impacts are cracked
jolly mortar
the ones that detonate as soon as they hit a hard surface, they'll say 'impact'
pale remnant
the ones that explode on impact
glacial light
Oh I see that seems really useful
pale remnant
ohh, light medic armour in the shop 👁️
fringe quiver
The ones that reach their target and explode upon touch, spreading managed democracy in a 5 foot radius
jolly mortar
you can just chuck one at a group of bots being dropped onto the ground and if your aim is good enough it sends the entire unit sprawling
kills most of them too unless there's a lot of specials
they're pretty effective tank counters, too, if you can run fast enough
keen zinc
I love 6 grenade armor
jolly mortar
it's SO good
keen zinc
Impacts can destroy tanks, gun cannons, mortars, aa guns, devastators of all kinds
keen zinc
With a jump pack to maneuver quickly and the chutzpah to make the game winning play, anything is possible
Shoot the gap
Juke the hulk
Touchdown your impact grenade directly into his prostate manifold
quartz cloak
I thought the bots were anarchists
keen zinc
No they're socialists
quartz cloak
Why would they be pro-state then?
pale remnant
I'm on the hunt for more of the really gaudy armour with gold trimming, I love it :v
barren iron
Eagle one is truly the best *Lean default pilot voice 1* for being willing to gi...
who says she's lean...
keen zinc
Fanart
In their infinite wisdom, gamers have decided the lady who we only hear the voice of is surely a blonde white woman
barren iron
Lean is for helldivers who skipped PT...
ah she is air force actually
so that tracks
keen zinc
Lean is for helldivers who skipped PT...
Track runners in shambles rn
strange vine
Genuine question as someone who's run it on both settings and hasn't found a rea...
unsafe can punch through shield devastator shields, so you can always guarantee 1 shot with them
vestal trail
Nice to be sure, but not enough for me to consider risking exploding, personally
keen zinc
Grenade launcher solves all my problems
junior badge
I'm wondering if two players bringing Recoilless and sticking together is a good idea.
keen zinc
Two people with EATs is better
junior badge
I've seen a lot of 2-2 splitting up lately, and that way, when things get rough you can immediately start buddy-loading.
Since both will have the backpack.
EATs only get one shot unless you're off cooldown/can stick near the drop though.
teal solstice
I try and stick in a big group and only really split off when I see a side objective beacon
junior badge
I'm thinking for an entire run around the map mission.
teal solstice
I run light armor so I use that added sneak to my advantage
Also, fuck stalkers, damn bug scared the hell out of me
oblique storm
I'm wondering if two players bringing Recoilless and sticking together is a good...
Cyan and Briar did this while we played
And it did really well
oblique storm
Expendable AT is actually not that helpful vs a rr or spear
On higher difficulties
Because congrats you have fired one missile
There is 3 chargers and 3 bile titans
Die
indigo bear
I’m hoping there’s some future where further upgrades to cooldown times make the EAT more menacing. Its cooldown is already low, would be nice if part of its kit was called shots on the drop pod to kill heavies.
glacial light
Which is better for basically a solo player, RR or autocannon
Assuming not high enough level for railgun yet
fringe quiver
I hope we get cat ears eventually
fringe quiver
and skateboard that hovers
rotund marten
autocannon is an extremely potent all-rounder
strange vine
yeah autocannon is better in general
glacial light
A funny vehicle stragem would be a regular old bicycle
strange vine
and if you make sure you never empty your clip you can reload relatively fast
well they did have a bike with a sidecar in helldivers 1
glacial light
Tandem bicycle you gotta press buttons to pedal
rotund marten
maxed out my ship, only one level to go till 50
glacial light
Damn
rotund marten
the only resource I really care about now is medals
need to grind 150 to get the last booster and then another 200 or so for everything else with stats
then it's just cosmetics
candid finch
I'm kinda in a situaion where like... so I like the AMR. But what is the point of the AMR in comparison with the railgun? Except for perhaps middle ground folk like the heavy bot doods
honest acorn
If you don't need to pen heavy armor it has 3x the ammo and a much nicer optic
It's more of a vs bots weapon imo
candid finch
yeah but you need heavy pen weapon most of the time
glacial light
I'm disappointed the counter sniper weapon is just light pen
glacial light
There's like 2 primaries that's not light pen and that's like liberator AP and another from premium pass I believe
Both medium
candid finch
I need to save up enough for the battle pass
glacial light
So did they ever say how future battlepasses will work? Will they rotate out or just add extra passes but not retire old ones
honest acorn
yeah but you need heavy pen weapon most of the time
I do ok vs bots with only medium
It's tricky hitting hulks but its doable
And the AMR can kill hulks better than the rails
unreal merlin
A medium pen weapon is serviceable, but having at least some form of anti armor (hulks if you can't get the weak spots, tanks, cannon turrets) becomes a desperate necessity on higher difficulties
Anything devastator and below isn't much of an issue though
honest acorn
tbf you can kill a hulk with mpen from any side
or at least disable or harm
There's a side angle where you can only shoot the weapons off
unreal merlin
Neat. I mostly only ever bother with eye shots or the back if I've got an ally who groks how teamwork make the dream work and we can bait it for the other to flank
glacial light
How does armor penetration work? Is it just it allows you to effectively damage past the armor while too low the bullets just bounce off
honest acorn
So there's a hidden "armor pen" stat which is compared to the armor. Angle of impact matters. There are more than 3 values for the armor pen stat (IE light medium and heavy are not the only three there are "medium pen" weapons which are not created equally)
Beyond that I don't think we know well
rotund marten
I'm disappointed the counter sniper weapon is just light pen
it's in the medium pen bracket, it's just lying
glacial light
Interesting I didn't realize they would simulate angle of impact that's real cool
rotund marten
same goes for the revolver, the slugger and to some extent the plasma scorcher
the scorcher is strange because it's a true explosive weapon, which means you can kill bot scout walkers from the front by shooting the hip unit and having the blast kill the pilot
honest acorn
Interesting I didn't realize they would simulate angle of impact that's real coo...
Yeah some weapons like the revolver and slugger need to be dead on to pen reliably
glacial light
Helldivers 2 has a lot of more realistic design choices I like that make the game more interesting without bogging it down but also letting you be an OP monster to your enemies
The magazine thing is something I've come to enjoy
honest acorn
Yeah its weird how many milsim bones it has for a game which is not realistic
It's a good mix of realism when it makes things interesting and high octane arcadey stuff
glacial light
And it doesn't include like minor realism sim stuff that makes you less powerful
honest acorn
The mags are great since it adds to much depth to reloading
glacial light
it's in the medium pen bracket, it's just lying
Oh ok that makes it better
I'm stuck at work when I should be helldiving
pale remnant
Man I really am enjoying the antimateriel rifle for bots
honest acorn
I miss it when I need to deal with a pack of devastators
pale remnant
Its quite good for the scout walkers too, and even agains hulks only takes a few shots to snap an arm off
which is really helpful for the scorchers
pale remnant
Yeah, I'm not a great shot so I just go for the arms
honest acorn
Getting rid of the flamer or rocket pod is amazing anyway
pale remnant
The zeroing is a little squiffy too, so getting pinpoint hits can be a struggle sometimes
glacial light
Is the grenade launcher good against heavy armor?
I'm also thinking autocannon or rocket sentry
honest acorn
no
but its phenomenal vs lighter stuff
It can damage stuff in weak spots
similar to the AMR or whatever but much less precise
rotund marten
useless against tanks, hulks and titans, can kill chargers but it takes a while
honest acorn
gl can kill tanks and hulks in the glowy vents I thought
rotund marten
amazing for devastators, hive guard, scout walkers, brood commanders, that kind of medium armour class target
honest acorn
albeit its almost impossible to not frag yourself shooting at tank vents
pale remnant
It's actually not useless against hulks! You can hit their vent from the front by shooting behind them
honest acorn
whoa
glacial light
I'm thinking of changing my loadout to something like breaker with
Walking orbitals for small to medium bases
Eagle Cluster for more small bases
Autocannon for big enemies
500kg because it's fun
pale remnant
Same with regular grenades
honest acorn
I'm thinking of changing my loadout to something like breaker with
Walking orbi...
Might want regular eagle airstrike, I don't think the cluster can kill buildings
pale remnant
Yeah, cluster can't hit buildings
glacial light
Oh right I meant the explosive one with default 2 uses
Walking orbital is kind of iffy I just don't want another eagle and an explosive orbital
And I don't have 500kg so I'm using autocannon sentry for now
pale remnant
Walking orbital is quite good for larger bases, I'm just not sure about it vs the orbital laser, which feels much more consistent
glacial light
I have the throw armor so I'm kind of the default siege specialist
I'll let me teammates ad clear and deal with big ones
upbeat vector
Walking orbital is quite good for larger bases, I'm just not sure about it vs th...
Orbital laser's 3 a mission, while the walking barrage is infinite. Although I will say, I've never actually seen the walking barrage
I have had a friend take it to a mission, call it down in front of us, and then...
pale remnant
It is only 3 a mission but if you're saving it for bigger bases it's not really a problem
upbeat vector
It could have gone off, we were getting shot at, but I've never seen it
glacial light
Walking seems nice it lasts for like 8 seconds and drops like 6 precision strike like explosives
pale remnant
with the length of the cooldowns its also not actually a huge downside you only get to use it 3 times
glacial light
If you angle it right you can clear a medium base with just one walking
upbeat vector
And like, that happened at least twice, where he threw it and it just... didn't seem to actually fire?
quick crown
well they did have a bike with a sidecar in helldivers 1
There is a worry that EDF6 won't be as good as Helldivers 2 for a coop game and I have to say.
If the bikes are still a joke and aren't fun to drive in EDF like they have been in the past that worry will be correct
glacial light
Example of why they should add motorcycles to Helldivers 2 eventually
With machine guns
upbeat vector
Detachable sidecar bike
You call it down, and it has a sidecar with an mg, but you can also detach that sidecar and go drive off somewhere else
Either give the bike like, an smg or the ability to use one-handed weapons while driving
glacial light
It's likely not very thematic but like a EDF like 4 person giant mech would be fun
Punch the future giant hive worms in the face
quick crown
EDF bikes control like they are driving on ice and MADE of ice and someone thought making your break rotors out of marble would be funnier than ice specifically
naive dragon
Helldivers adds sparrows, Bungie sales drop to zero
quick crown
That would solve the problem with tires and terrian AND match several helmets
glacial light
Helldivers adds sparrows, Bungie sales drop to zero
PvP mode called Trials of Brasch
stray tide
Tbh EDF has the benefit of having an entirely different structure
And also helldivers basically just has everyone playing a ranger
If you like any of the other 3 classes it doesn’t fill the same niche
quick crown
Oh no i totally agree
glacial light
Everyone is also sort of a weak Air Raider too
autumn plover
PvP mode called Trials of Brasch
They've on record said they'll never do pvp ironically
quick crown
But we can make the vehicles feel a little better universally
glacial light
Can't wait for the crossover with Wingdivers EDF and Helldivers
glacial light
They've on record said they'll never do pvp ironically
No I agree with their CEO , pvp would be so toxic and balancing would be impossible it's not worth the effort
It's a problem Destiny 2 has, they don't balance PvE and PvP differently a lot so everything has consistent feel between both modes but balancing is just screwing one mode cause of the other
honest acorn
helldivers is set up terribly for pvp
its so easy to kill helldivers when you aren't trying
pale remnant
They've on record said they'll never do pvp ironically
I did a goofy pvp attempt with my buddies where we just dropped into an easy difficulty mission and shot at each other for a bit :v
Definitely not what the game was made for but the novelty was fun
barren reef
quick crown
MAY LIBERTY GUIDE THE FEDERATION OF SUPER EARTH
glacial light
TEN MILLION
Sweet liberty
honest acorn
planet named mort
people die in vast numbers on it
really makes you think
keen zinc
Makes me wonder what the Creeks death toll is..
oblique storm
btw
glacial light
At least 4
quick crown
Stimmed to the gills
pale remnant
Love seeing 4 figure shots fired 😎
oblique storm
I am 50% drugs by volume and fired my entire magazine every second
quick crown
Dim hope but i hope we get even more recoreded voice lines
pale remnant
I'm not gonna sugar coat it
magdump magdump magdump
quick crown
I want x10 more maniacal laughs
glacial light
2 melee kills? There's something other than bullets?
quick crown
Their gun jammed and had to punch the bullets into the enemy
pale remnant
The voice actors really put their whole thing into it for the 'out of stims' and 'out of ammo' lines when you're low on health
glacial light
It's cause when they were recording in the studio they didn't have any ammo or stims
pale remnant
They sound so desperate during it, it's great
glacial light
Method acting
pale remnant
I NeEeD Stimmmms! 😭
keen zinc
LAST MAG
azure pewter
I kinda wish I could delete the cup of liber-tea from the game
Or at least make it super rare
Actually definitely rare
That would make it fun when you get it
pale remnant
I don't mind it, it's so dumb lol
honest acorn
they said that shit so much in the first game too haha
keen zinc
They all think they're the first one to say it
honest acorn
"I'm the most original and clever soldier of super earth"
sweet surge
stone bridge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAIJIWDhOuc
The mech in that video having 2x dual autocannon arms does confirm there's multiple mech types, or arm customisation
So that's very good to know
nocturne saffron
I NeEeD Stimmmms! 😭
My leg! Sweet liberty, my leeeeg!
keen zinc
We will be eating good
But I hope they keep them limited at one use like they did in HD1
So either use it early and risk it or save it for when it's really needed
glacial light
How did they work on HD1
keen zinc
You could only call them in once
So if they got destroyed too bad so sad
You are essentially giving up a stratagem slot to call in a vehicle
But you could bring multiple mech stratagems if you were insane
4 mech marvin
glacial light
We titanfalling it here
keen zinc
With stuff like automaton gun cannons such
Mechs might be slightly less overpoweringly powerful
unreal merlin
You also couldn't rearm vehicles if they ran out of ammo.
glacial light
Makes sense
naive dragon
Me bringing four mech stratagems so my crew can play Titanfall 3 with me
candid finch
It would be interesting to play like that, basically going "okay I'm going to bring us all mechs but I WILL be useless after that"
Though there might not be four different versions to bring
oblique storm
Tbh if the mechs can bring at least one hard AT weapon bots are gonna be so much easier
glacial light
Nonsense you'll become ad clear and when you die you'll be droppodded on tanks and bile titans
Everyone bringing 4 mechs each to an extermination mission
Our enemies stood no chance
naive dragon
"hey Tony why does your mech look so different"
Me having converted to a Hulk platform
oblique storm
"hey Tony why does your mech look so different"
Me having converted to a Hulk pl...
Deep, Dreadnought Bass tone:
"BATTLE PASS"
naive dragon
Lmao
glacial light
When a 5th teammate drops in and they're definitely not 3 automatons in a hulk mech
naive dragon
Imagining a helldivers clone where I like the faction I play as is a weird feeling
oblique storm
It'd be really funny if a new faction was just the actual government of Super Earth and we became rebels who actually believe in Democracy and LIberty and etc
rich marlin
Helldiver civil war sounds badass
naive dragon
Civil war but they keep it pve so it's just you guys doing missions in each other's planets
hollow plover
There's no actual ground forces to fight, it's just helldivers vs helldivers
The first one to drop loses
naive dragon
They'd have to have adjustments for population differences
glacial light
It'd be fun to have a new mission mode that's boarding actions on a an enemy destroyer and taking the bridge or sabotaging it
oblique storm
where you fight SEAF grunts backed by mechs and artillery
glacial light
Just be in LEO standing on top of a destroyer to allow stratagems
Almost time for work to be done
It's helldiving time soon
strange vine
OH BOY https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b1hgaw/image_of_siege_mech_that_was_supposedly_on_ps/
gritty sundial
<@&1206091872716595200> wanna go underworld snorkeling?
umbral temple
hallow gorge
OH BOY https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1b1hgaw/image_of_siege_mech_...
Finally automaton bile Titan
glacial light
Bile Titan Hulk? 
vestal trail
And the AMR can kill hulks better than the rails
I thought AMR needed two headshots for a Hulk? Rail only needs one in my experience
honest acorn
Yeah it can be faster, but the better optic and ammo economy tend to mean that I get the kills faster with the AMR
cobalt patrol
I prefer the Railgun, but It just gels with me
honest acorn
I'd like the railgun more if it didn't have the shittiest first person gunsight not on the revolver haha
cobalt patrol
Me, @rotund marten @quartz cloak @stone bridge were rocking last night with me on railgunner duties, while they all did autos and other explosive things.
Many hulks landed only to immediately eat shit from a Railgun shot, it was great
honest acorn
I do like the railgun but it kind of feels like more of an obligation weapon than a fun weapon because the field of things which crack heavy armor is so thin
daring monolith
If the reticle dot was smaller on the railgun I’d like it a fair bit more
quartz cloak
I mean, I like it, but I do wish other weapons were good as well
daring monolith
And yeah
quartz cloak
Like the Spear being less fiddly and more reliable
And small boxes actually gave you back missiles
daring monolith
Autocannon is fun but it feels nigh useless vs tanks and hulks
cobalt patrol
I find it fun! But again I'm really big on charging weapons, I loved fusions in Destiny 2
meager saffron
i basically run the arc thrower because i miss using lfrs
the charge minigame is so fun
quartz cloak
It lets me live out my Tau Pathfinder dreams cough
meager saffron
outside of the Havoc in apex I don't think there are any other ways I can get my fusion fix
and no ways at all I can get my telesto fix
vestal trail
Yeah it can be faster, but the better optic and ammo economy tend to mean that I...
This is fair, Amat does get like...what...42 shots? 7 per mag?
honest acorn
I forget the exact magazine size but yeah roughly
Some of it is that I play on PS5 and I think with mouse aim I'd handle the railgun better
But the AMR is nice because I can scope in and quickly make followup shots
meager saffron
its sight is weirdly very cramped