Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!

[naive dragon]

Clearly FTL drives are just easy to make

I built one in my garage last week

[keen zinc]

With the copious amounts of super destroyers

I have to believe so

Although each super destroyer has so many helldivers

[hollow plover]

Fucking

At least I survived a escort mission against bots

A big win for the expendable tubeboys

[keen zinc]

Liberty bless you Helldiver

I gotta say I love how often Brasch says "if there is one thing I've learned, it's:" for so many different things

The rhetoric satire is so amusing

[opal matrix]

The CEO actually addressed that https://x.com/Pilestedt/status/1759551906668540153?s=20

Pilestedt (@Pilestedt) on X

@Badan_KR @ActualDumbBoy They are real people with real families that are "oh so proud" or their baby joining the elite and invincible hero unit to do the right thing and fight for democracy.

That they get into a freezer to be thawed is not disclosed. Nor that their life expectancy is 2 minutes.

Twitter · Feb 19, 2024, 12:14 PM

[honest acorn]

Glad to know that many of my ‘divers have greatly exceeded the average lifespan

[keen zinc]

LMAO

God fucking DAMN I love that so much

They are literally just deployable spotters for ordnance

That they can shoot is just icing

[unreal merlin]

If the automatons weren't soulless unfeeling machines and the bugs unintelligent animals, Helldivers would be nightmarish opponents. Even as expendable and fragile as they sometimes are, they're also sometimes ludicrously resilient and dangerous with the equipment to annihilate entire companies on their own.

You can't have anything resembling lines of battle because at any given moment a new squad of roid-juiced commandos can literally just fall out of the sky and commence havoc.

[hollow plover]

If SOUP DIRT didn't have essentially space dominance, I don't believe they'd have much of anything

[sweet surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/604468296464728095/1208920666192224256/image.png?ex=65e50a1b&is=65d2951b&hm=bd255bd1249c56cbee443e8f0872ffaa6f432f6c60626197ac09c36bf5d8adc6&

[keen zinc]

Automatons are real cool looking

Good enemies

[candid finch]

40k lookin ass

[keen zinc]

Yeah

Theyre very 40k

Hulks are dreadnoughts

[hollow plover]

Contemptors 😌

[keen zinc]

Devastators are digitigrade contemptors

And it's not even subtle

Automatons are Terminator and 40K

Termanids are styled like the Tyranids but are really closer to the Starship Troopers movie Arachnids

And that thing from star wars attack of clones

Hive commanders are this dude like 1:1

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/NTi8WrQ9or

[strange vine]

Remember theyre fighting to free slaves!

[burnt vapor]

Where does that come from again?

[strange vine]

Apparently from a pda in a point of interest, theyre fighting to free their cyborg creators who were enslaved by super earth after the first game

[kindred lintel]

The one day I get off in a week servers are at cap

Feelsbadman

[hot meadow]

The servers are gonna be terrible for a while.

I’m enjoying the shitposting and clips others are posting but I’m not even going to try to play until things calm down significantly

[upbeat vector]

I can't even seem to get to trying to get in

[kindred lintel]

ESC from the cinematic I think

[upbeat vector]

The cinematic isn't starting

I get to the splash screen and it seems to stop trying to connect :(

[oblique storm]

I had a toy of this and the rhino guy as a kid

I loved them

[upbeat vector]

Oh that would be great

[eager pine]

Can't get into the game today, but I did at least manage to get a buncha super samples yesterday, the last batch being picked up off my friend's corpse at extraction just before I dove into the shuttle. while dodging enemies left and right...

I can't believe I managed that.

He died at the last fucking second too so we could have gotten more XP if he'd been a lil luckier, but I guess he gave his luck to me that mission.

[pale remnant]

It is perhaps the greatest of honours to die in service of spreading managed democracy

[eager pine]

Incidentally, he was able to get in about an hour ago.

[unreal merlin]

https://v.redd.it/gm9m2kx2egjc1/DASH_270.mp4

[honest acorn]

https://x.com/chhopsky/status/1759676808805400789?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

christina 死神 (@chhopsky) on X

story time: the launch of Dauntless (2019) was the most difficult launch of my career

we planned for 260k ccu peak (players online). during open beta (2018), we'd hit 65k with some wrangling

it fell over at 10k ccu. took 3 weeks of 15 hour days 7 days a week to get it stable

Twitter · Feb 19, 2024, 8:30 PM

This is a crazy thread

And what HD2 is doing is probably worse haha

[stone bridge]

holy christ

yeah, that really puts things in perspective

what the fuck

[north fiber]

yeah, note that Dauntless broke at 10k and we know HD2 is hard capping playercount at 450k

I can't even imagine how much shit is breaking behind the scenes that they didn't even dream of being a bottleneck

[honest acorn]

Yeah I don’t envy their networking team at all rn

[thorn inlet]

The half-joke is that too many users it is a good problem to have

[rotund marten]

so close

[cobalt patrol]

I'm online if anyone wants to go HELLDIVING

[eager pine]

I do!

I just got into the login limit reached creen about half an hour ago after being on a black screen for 3 hours though.

[eager pine]

I thought this was supposed to be a meme number at first and was extremely confused.

[jolly mortar]

I already had an idea this shit was more complex than anyone outside of dev could understand, but holy shit this stuff is complex

and she notes at the bottom this is just what she remembers, which is 'about 1/10th/ of the issues [the team] faced'

fuck

[cobalt patrol]

Oh dear

[honest acorn]

https://fxtwitter.com/harddrivemag/status/1759552449864667383?s=46&t=RjdIzh2qFuWkjovzBmgCsQ

[stone bridge]

lmao

[rotund marten]

my civilians are participating in Simply Don't Monday

they cannot pathfind up these stairs

[strange vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/829444899346579537/1209341183000715324/rapidsave.com_dont_know_what_i_expected_to_happen-vwcrqwiagjjc1.mp4?ex=65e691be&is=65d41cbe&hm=84ea0411cc4ffea1c9c47d0387796a3e7c6ee163f84f4f9cb8054cda5d43f6b0&

[stark ether]

died to a heavy unit with 4/4 nades

[stone bridge]

[idle hollow]

https://prnt.sc/kmDd_FfP3xYA

[stone bridge]

The Guard Dog Rover is maybe not okay into bugs

[idle hollow]

who up filling in they sex permit

[unreal merlin]

Isn't Rover the laser one? In my experience it's pretty good vs bugs, clearing up the small stuff for you constantly

[stone bridge]

no no, you misunderstand

I'm the guy here with more kills than anyone else combined

[stark ether]

drone go brrrrrrrrrr

[stone bridge]

not okay in the "its busted" way

[unreal merlin]

Yeah that checks out

It IS actually overtuned imo, it gets really ridiculous when all 4 bring a laser drone (it also looks very cool)

[unkempt river]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8KH5X3o/

Bit of poetry about the game, very nice

[stone bridge]

yeah definitely

it needs to overheat way quicker or just do less damage

[unreal merlin]

I'd say it just needs either a more frequent backpack recharge or a longer backpack recharge, not less damage

[stone bridge]

realistically I think giving it more downtime is the way to go

yes

[unkempt river]

I wish for an orange scout armor

[unreal merlin]

Something more than a 5 second charge every 10 minutes of constant firing

[stone bridge]

it's definitely meta into bugs I think

into bots, the way it fires makes it really inaccurate

so that + their high power ranged weapons means shield works a lot better

[stark ether]

random tip: have non-impact grenades while waiting for a well handled extraction? practice cooking! pick a random distant rock and try to get your grenade to airburst above it

[dusk meadow]

just started helldiving with my buddy!

with hindsight, I probably shouldn't've taken them to kill 2 bile titans with just the two of us

[daring monolith]

it's doable. It just requires decent gear. And/or good aim with reinforcement pods

[unreal merlin]

the real crash course is taking them to malevelon creek

teach them to suffer, and then teach them to spill oil

[stark ether]

i hope the devs make malevelon creek permanently open

[unreal merlin]

We're getting enough memes that I think it's going to be infamous for a long time after it's taken.

It'd be funky if it was capturable but never fully - just always a vietnam hellground even when under control.

[stark ether]

make it a "training world"

"yes this world has totally been liberated but we've chosen to keep the bots here as a training exercise"

[daring monolith]

They’ve gotta do something with it at least. It’s been such a focal point of the automaton front

[dusk meadow]

I did take them on a trip to fight the bots on trivial defense

they did well!

[unreal merlin]

it's only been a week tbh, there's plenty of other planets that will be invaded but malevelon creek may get some kind of token memorialization just for how much memetic recognition it's getting

[stark ether]

i also love that everyone talks about the automaton front like the war is going terribly but its so far ahead of the terminids on progress

[unreal merlin]

This is kinda skewed since the automaton front started with only two sectors while the bugs had many. The source is that despite all this fighting since launch we're still screwing around at malevelon

[stark ether]

no yeah i get the malevelon stuff but people talk about the whole front as if its going horribly, also didnt it start with 3 sectors?

[hollow plover]

The Bug front had two sectors open, but the Bot front only had the backmost on release

[stone bridge]

@versed hamlet

[coral linden]

if yall get a free slot lemme know

[honest mural]

hmm, something isnt right here

[stark ether]

suppressive fire

[versed hamlet]

got two rn

[nocturne saffron]

i can stop by also

[versed hamlet]

I think it should have a short downtime but less continuous uptime
maybe make it not require resupply, but it overheats?

it definitely is overtuned as is

but if you could predict it only eating through like 10 bugs in a row before being down for a bit that'd mitigate the insane reliable crowdclear without making it feel unreliable

me and hades managed to duo a suicide mission btw but I think we got lucky with spawns and were careful when we were picking which places to clear and which to avoid entirely

[stark ether]

what if we weaponize the bugs against the robots

[meager sandal]

Posting misinformation so I can get in

[jolly mortar]

this one right here, democracy compliance officer

[stark ether]

i cant wait for the titanfall memes when they do add mechs

[naive dragon]

🤔 Trying to decide whether or not I like this pairing

[jolly mortar]

I like it tbh

[stark ether]

i want a viscera cleanup helldivers crossover

[jolly mortar]

either that or a powerwashing sim dlc

[dim bane]

Nice that you knew ahead of time when to duck.

[stark ether]

just like someone going around gathering up all the hellpods and equipment scattered about

[jolly mortar]

yeah. picking up all the bug parts ~~for oil ~~ to clean the area up for rehabitation

[gritty sundial]

“Wait, I heard oil”

”THAT SHIT IS MIIIIIIIIINE!!!!”

[lunar jetty]

What helmet is this?

[keen zinc]

I HEARD OIL

THAT SHIT IS MINE

[stark ether]

ce-81 juggernaut was in the last super store rotation

[keen zinc]

Patch today right?

[kindred lintel]

Yes

[limber pike]

Later today devs are European

[keen zinc]

I thought Europeans are in the future

[dusk meadow]

no we live in hell

[jolly mortar]

Think I figured out how to trick quickplay into working from a thing I saw on reddit. It's mostly reliable so far:

1. travel to the planet you wanna play on
2. hover over an operation, seemingly needs to be a different one each time
3. hit quickplay
4. select the operation as fast as you can

course, the patch may negate the utility of this by fixing quickplay but it got me like five matches in a row when just hitting quickplay and waiting wasn't doing jack

[supple siren]

Login Limit at 11 AM, lordie. Best of luck with this, devs.

must be a lot easier to be a surprise hit when your game isn't server based

[rotund marten]

difficulty 8 blitz w/samples soloed

mostly just a lot of careful running about

[keen zinc]

A blitz seems feasible due to stealth and a simple objective

An SSD carry mission seems impossible solo

[rotund marten]

barely even stealth, you can just shoot the hunters and give everything else the runaround

if you don't have to hold any particular location for an extended period of time you can pretty much do what you want

[keen zinc]

Yeah that's why I said SSSD missions, those have MULTIPLE "stay here and press a button frequently to continue progress" stages

[rotund marten]

yeah that's the hard part if you don't have time to repeatedly loop around doing one stage at a time

but solo blitzing is a good way to get a stack of super samples quickly

[keen zinc]

Yeah but I play this game for squad activities, solo runs counter to that tbh

I don't like when teammates fuck off a billion miles away to try and berrypick or solo objectives

We're a team

[strange vine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5SriuojRA8

[jolly mortar]

Different strokes then I guess. I'm the same way, I play to listen to oldies rock and shoot things with people.

[keen zinc]

Patch delayed

[fringe quiver]

Based

[lunar jetty]

Damn 😦 source though?

[verbal summit]

My third eye opened. Normally speaking I am the reason the enemy uses landmines.

[verbal summit]

I seek out the landmines somehow

I think they secretly put a huge magnet in my bag

Also solo mission moment.

Thought it was just 1

[azure pewter]

Damn that shit mitosis

[oblique storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ1PoNJxyYE

[verbal summit]

Lmao

I stealthily killed 2 of em and tried to headshot between the slit but then it just split into like 6 of em

Maybe the slit causes diffraction and that's why you can hit them through the slit with the laser.

[kindred lintel]

Landmines can literally hide underneath snow, not sure about sand though

[keen zinc]

That's kinda what they're for

[kindred lintel]

I will reiterate, Anti-Personell Landmines, the strategem, can hide when deployed into snow covered biomes in Helldivers

[keen zinc]

Good

Hidden democracy

Ready to liberate an unsuspecting dissident

[honest acorn]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/7862791756747273256?l=english

It's out!

[naive dragon]

PATCH

• Armor values for light/medium/heavy armor do not currently function as intended.
  

[jolly mortar]

LET'S GO

[naive dragon]

its quickplay time

[gritty sundial]

SWAT team in a stack behind a shield be like

Like that's literally what it looks like lmao

[versed hamlet]

now I'm stuck logging it again lol

NEVERMIND
every time I say that it happens instantly instead of in 2 hours

[upbeat vector]

Did the patch drop?

[versed hamlet]

yeah

[upbeat vector]

Nice

What was in it?

[naive dragon]

• Fixed crash when replicating ragdoll momentum.
• Fixed crash when replicating destructions.
• Fixed crash when displaying the mission end rewards.
• Resolved a 100% block issue for quickplay matchmaking on PC.
• Tuned extract civilian mission difficulty.
• Improved the way that we handle platform authentication to avoid things like the black screen issue at startup.
• Improvements to our client > backend communication for better backend performance.
• Implemented an automatic retry mechanism to quickplay.
• Added proper login error message for error "10002038.”

[versed hamlet]

quickplay allegedly works now (it didn't unless you got lucky with disconnecting before)
other than that mostly like 'it works better' fixes that don't happen every game
oh and civ extract balance

about to try quickplay so

[upbeat vector]

Ah, so no queue/afk timer yet?

[versed hamlet]

well it's displaying new stuff at least

[versed hamlet]

I don't think it's a queue tho

it's roulette

[honest acorn]

Not in the notes at least

[versed hamlet]

I got in a game 🙏

[upbeat vector]

I'm trying to get into the servers

[lunar jetty]

the more things change, the more they stay the same

[naive dragon]

suffering_from_success.png

[upbeat vector]

I got innnnn!!!

How do boosters work?

[honest acorn]

They're just like a team wide buff you can bring

They're not consumed or anything you just need to not be a moron like me and forget to equip them

[upbeat vector]

They're not limited-use or anything like that?

Gotcha, thanks

[honest acorn]

afaik no

[stark ether]

nope only thing is you cant double up on them in a squad

[versed hamlet]

I intensely regret trying quickplay

[upbeat vector]

Oh no what happened

[versed hamlet]

the host ignored the side objective and just camped at the main objective you have to do after
then tried to teamkill us at the evac pad

so me and the other guy were running around fighting tanks and getting artilleried
and then they redeployed me at the (still inactice) main objective and I stepped on a mine

it's very clear they just wanted us to do everything

[honest acorn]

That's lame

I've mostly had good experiences with QP

The worst was someone who just wandered off to do all the side objectives alone and kept dropping supplies for themselves

[versed hamlet]

the other one I had when it glitches into working earlier was meh, we did radar then ignored all the points of interest and evaced early
but not like, negative overall

I'm hoping it's like most other games I play and when you put on the harder difficulties the people are more team players

[stark ether]

we need an equivalent of the rock and stone button

[versed hamlet]

do the random hotspot missions not show a difficulty?

[fringe quiver]

Can you actually solo the harder difficulty missions?

[versed hamlet]

yes

[honest acorn]

yes

[keen zinc]

Affirmative. Thanks!

Follow me.

[honest acorn]

You have to approach them pretty differently but you can manage it with either good speed and patrol wipes or space MGS5

[versed hamlet]

me and hades duo's a diff 7 and we're both like only a few days old

[fringe quiver]

Good to know

[honest acorn]

IMO you really want two for Helldivers because otherwise you can't do friend doors and can miss out on fat loot

[versed hamlet]

it's also rng what types the game prefers spawning

[stark ether]

friendship doors

[versed hamlet]

bugs swings drastically if it prefers chargers and spewers because that rounds out their enemy loadout

wheras bots are mostly just 'what flavor of armor are you getting'

[meager saffron]

two-manning isn't terrible if you're okay with doing a little heroic sacrifice'

[versed hamlet]

I think this is definitely a game where things can go super well if you play it safe but then the moment stuff goes wrong you go into a death spiral or just running away trying to recoup for a while

[meager saffron]

death spiral is pretty accurate

you get tagged by a rocket and lose your power weapon so you have a harder time managing armor without CDs which forces you to blow CDs early which makes it way harder to deal with the subsequent waves which

[honest acorn]

Word, its really rough when some people drop and now you don't have anti-armor weapons and have to run to pick them up

[stark ether]

this is very much a game where designating someone to run from death spirals while everyone else distracts things and dies is a legitimate strategy

[honest acorn]

Or you do things methodically and well and don't get them done fast enough

[versed hamlet]

and also the microism of being spawn camped because everywhere near anyone is hot

[meager saffron]

also you can't just run back and grab your shit because your allies are all frantically face-rolling gems to avoid dying to 800 000 devastators

[versed hamlet]

I think shield and laser drone realllly help with bots and bugs respectively
having a surprise rocket shield and horde thinner clearer mitigate a lot of the base risk each faction throws at you

but you need people with team weapons to really deal with heavy spam

[meager saffron]

armor is my bane in this game

[versed hamlet]

I really like railgun

[meager saffron]

as is the fact that there's a cap on how fast your guy will change aim

[versed hamlet]

I need to try it on bugs tho

[meager saffron]

I have lost way too many recoilless shots to the void

[kindred lintel]

Spear is somewhat better, although the targeting could be better

From testing it seems like smog reduces lock on time

[honest acorn]

If you crouch with recoil reducing armor I think the weapons track faster

[versed hamlet]

I saw a few peeps rock flamethrower against chargers and now I'm curious

[honest acorn]

What I would love is a loader

But its hard to convince people to wear an ammo backpack

[versed hamlet]

team weapons seem scuffed in concept

[keen zinc]

They should make it so the gunner can carry the backpack and someone can still assist reload

[meager saffron]

they're pretty alright if you're in voice and completely useless otherwise

[versed hamlet]

not only do you have to convince someone to give up their backpack slot for you it also makes your weapon useless if you get seperated

[honest acorn]

They were super strong in HD1 but its easier to get more split in 2

[meager saffron]

having someone run recoilless/autocannon pure DPS while you spoon-feed them ammo is pretty hilarious

[keen zinc]

If a gunner could carry their own ammo and anyone in the squad can take over loading and give them big dps

[honest acorn]

But being able to slamfire the RR quickly could basically win a fight instantly

[kindred lintel]

The spear is so impactful that the gunner can usually carry the backpack without worry

[versed hamlet]

I think rn it'd work if two people carry recoilless and assist each other as much as possible but can still self reload

[honest acorn]

I think it works fine people are just not very coordinated yet

[keen zinc]

Tbh I wanna try out the riot shield

[versed hamlet]

well, the gunner still should put something in their backpack slot

[kindred lintel]

Yea, need to see if it stands up to rockets

[versed hamlet]

riot shield seems very bad
even if it tanks rockets it's still directional right?

[honest acorn]

Oh definitely

[meager saffron]

gunner takes the drone + loader takes the backpack and a power weapon of their choice seems pretty good

[versed hamlet]

the tutorial video also shows them being slow but the tutorial videos are usually deceptive

[honest acorn]

I've heard the shield is good but not used it

In HD1 it was popular to give the gunner a jetpack

[versed hamlet]

I still think having two of the same type would be best
that way if one dies or you get scattered you can still use it

shield is v good

[honest acorn]

So you could get back to your loader more easily

[keen zinc]

If the riot shield works on your back I see that being super good

[honest acorn]

And to get flank shots with the RR

[keen zinc]

Just having something to block bullets in the back whilst running

[honest acorn]

But the jetpack was kind of insane in 1 period

[versed hamlet]

shield can tank some explosions but not others

[keen zinc]

Automaton rockets? Those are small explosives

[versed hamlet]

I think you might still die to turret?
and anything that comes from below like suicide raiders mines and nades

[kindred lintel]

I've tried the T3 warbond explosive weapon, and its fine

[keen zinc]

I wanna try it out cuz I use the defender anyhow

[meager saffron]

in fairness parrying rockets alone seems insane

[barren iron]

riot shield does work on the back

[keen zinc]

YES

[honest acorn]

https://fxtwitter.com/Photoshop_Gy/status/1759723054236635547?s=20

[versed hamlet]

but the insurance against the random rocketers is the biggest win

[honest acorn]

Also lol

you're gonna learn (eventually)

[versed hamlet]

followed by like
infantry turrets and heavy fire

[meager saffron]

chat they dont know

[barren iron]

]\

[keen zinc]

Cannot fucking wait for the Squids to come back in some form

I want them to pick up boulders with psychic gravity bullshit and throw em at us

[honest acorn]

love getting shot by snipers 4 screens away

[barren iron]

they've said the third faction will be a seperate faction

[versed hamlet]

the biggest thing you have to worry about with shield is small/heavy arms fire taking it down then getting rocketed

[keen zinc]

Not the energy shield

The ballistic shield

Though apparently you can use both you just can't put the ballistic on your back

[honest acorn]

I suspect it's gonna be a different faction more like the automatons being a different faction than a completely new one though

[keen zinc]

Yeah

[versed hamlet]

whoa

[keen zinc]

It's gonna be a successor to the illuminate

Like how the termanids succeed the bugs and Automatons succeed the cyborgs

[versed hamlet]

how can they prop up fake space squids
are they gonna watchman it

[keen zinc]

Human cultists who worship them maybe

The Vanu

[versed hamlet]

vanu moment

is managed democracy more like new conglomerate or terran republic
I'm thinking TR and NS actually

propping up stuff is very uh
nanite systems like

although bonus checks fits a lot of the fluff dialogue
except you actually get them in nc

[honest loom]

A PlanetSide/Helldivers crossover would be the wildest

[versed hamlet]

well, the planetside ips just got bought for millions of dollars

coincidence? probably

[naive dragon]

Who bought PlanetSide

[versed hamlet]

a shell company

[naive dragon]

Ah

[versed hamlet]

apparently

[honest loom]

Yeah it's currently a mystery who the new owners are and what the plans are

[naive dragon]

I would love to see PS2 rebuilt I'm not gonna lie

But also HelldiverSide would be

[versed hamlet]

everyone was like "planetside2 got bought because dbg had a multimillion dollar deal!"
but then I think there's offical forms now

[versed hamlet]

sadly I think the tech for lower but still fps level fidelity with 1k people has been lost because everyone wants lobhy games

[honest acorn]

Ok naturally its a discourse pit but the HD2 discord can be funny

[keen zinc]

Lmao

[honest acorn]

I'm sorry I won't post another one but I'm trying so hard not to laugh at work rn

[fringe quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/shiba-inu-head-tilt-question-gif-3521016

Do they think the devs aren't trying to fix the servers? Lol

[keen zinc]

It's hilarious the amount of people demanding realistically impossible things or demanding the devs do things that are entirely in the publishers control.

Point that out on the reddit and you get down voted to hell

[hollow plover]

So many are children I refuse any other assertation

[keen zinc]

Yeah it's just being able to identify responsibility and culpability correctly just seems impossible for these people

No they don't owe you working overnight for your 40$ spent on a leisure product

[fringe quiver]

I demand the devs make a helldiver pizza franchise delivered by drop pods, anything less and it's clear they are anti-democracy!
/s

[honest acorn]

Most people seem to be chill on the Discord but the few how are extremely mad are funny

https://www.change.org/p/demand-immediate-repair-of-helldiver-2-server

This is the petition

[keen zinc]

Reddit is a cesspit of entitled consoomers

Does anyone have proof of this claim

Because if it's true I'm going to shit a pant

[stone bridge]

That's not correct

You need the backpack equipped to even have the loading option appear

[honest loom]

Would this mean two recoilless rifle users could rapid reload each other and slam out shots

[stone bridge]

In theory yeah

[versed hamlet]

yeah that's what I'm proposing
because then you can still use it if you get split

it'd definitely be healthier if anyone could do it tho

[honest acorn]

https://fxtwitter.com/JosephF62710202/status/1759961996366057497?s=20

The fallen shall be forever remembered in the brood-hive halls

[versed hamlet]

okay this next quickplay group I got was what I expected, not the most coordinated but generally team players
but I did turn the difficulty up a few notches to try to get this

[stuck ravine]

https://fxtwitter.com/kolbepayne/status/1759999149527969808?t=bOYz4a_R7nfihtJqyC3_gA&s=19

[stone bridge]

They actually lived from that

[pale remnant]

Helldivers are handpicked not to need a brain to function

Higher thought comes secondary to patriotism and devotion to managed democracy!

[honest acorn]

The scariest thing about bots for me is that I think they can headshot

[stone bridge]

They absolutely can, yeah

[gritty sundial]

Oh they absolutely fucking can

[stone bridge]

Its another big reason the shield backpack puts in work against them

[versed hamlet]

maybe that's why you also sometimes instantly die to spewers

[meager saffron]

in fairness it feels like more of an accident when you don't instantly die to them

[versed hamlet]

I did a lot of soloing against them with only a machine gun so I got used to getting hit a lil

[honest acorn]

Oh, that’s a good guess yeah

I just panic dive as soon as they start now haha

[unreal merlin]

Fortunately the beacon tracks where it initially landed and not where a bug drags it to, so this clip is FRAUDULENT

[versed hamlet]

yeah same
but sometimes they ambush you or flopping would make things worse

[versed hamlet]

I got disappointed when I stuck a charger with one once

[oblique lotus]

oh thank god

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/7862791756747273256?l=english

[keen zinc]

I hope I get to play after work today

I am in need of endorphins

[oblique lotus]

holy shit this is deranged

not even getting into the question of whether they have a point this writing is unhinged

[honest acorn]

Yeah it’s wild

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/535adPGXOW

[keen zinc]

A hard earned 40 dollars

I could get breakfast at Denny's for that money!

They're directly taking a grand slam OUT of my MOUTH

[oblique lotus]

also that the longest chunk of text is a deranged copy paste with iffy punctuation and an overuse of capitalization

[keen zinc]

[versed hamlet]

I can't even read stuff like this

[keen zinc]

I hate being reminded of the wide range of human mentality.

[fringe quiver]

That reads like AI

[keen zinc]

Some people are just deranged.

[versed hamlet]

I play milsim games too much so I get reminded often lol

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/WeQ1mpmBEb

[pale remnant]

lol what a weenie

[golden ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-helldivers-2-mischief-mischief-mode-mischief-mode-activated-gif-15827932577000824336

[merry cosmos]

Isn't that the gaming community in general tho?

[merry cosmos]

Would helldivers 2 count as some variety of millsim?

[kindred lintel]

Man, I was in earlier today

Should have just left the game on

[upbeat vector]

I thought about it, but

[versed hamlet]

yes but more heavy handed in being anti facism

and the size being limited to 4 per map limits it because there's no larping military structure

usually they larp like
super outdated rigid hierarchies as well

[lunar jetty]

In the sense that you simulate a member of a military, yes. You could also do that for Call of Duty. Or call it an extraction shooter, because you shoot and extract.

[keen zinc]

Helldivers is not a milsim

Just because you can go prone doesn't make it a milsim

In a milsim you need to be able to go prone AND lean. Not that hard to understand.

[pale remnant]

I'd trust him with a child tbh

[rapid scaffold]

I want seven different variations of crouch like Arma or it won't do for me

[keen zinc]

Mm tasty arma bone crunching as I roll whilst looking straight up and leaning to the side

Where you can crouch, shift all your weight to the right, then lean right to essentially air-plank around a corner

Obliques on fire baby

[honest acorn]

I don’t think Helldivers is a milsim but it does have a weirdly large number of milsim elements

Like changing cyclic rof or zeroing scopes

[upbeat vector]

It has those?

[honest acorn]

Yep

Only on some weapons

Hold reload to access them

[pale remnant]

you can switch the mg from rapidfire to even more rapid fire

Or lower firerate, if you actually want to hit things, that works too

[daring monolith]

the AMR, Lib-P, and marksman rifle scopes zoom in based on your zeroed range as well

[upbeat vector]

Hell yeah!

Thank you!

[lunar jetty]

Milsims first and foremost need to be boring as shit 90% of the time

[upbeat vector]

I'm gonna try to get in and see what I can do with this new knowledge

[pale remnant]

Man, even with the difficulty reductions extracting civilians feels like the toughest mission out there

[versed hamlet]

the milsim I know (planetside) you can do neither

[keen zinc]

Not a milsim

[versed hamlet]

it's more about the theming imo

well people treat it like one

[upbeat vector]

Huh...

[keen zinc]

That's not what a milsim is...

[versed hamlet]

milsim is a mentality to me

it's tuesday

steam maint

[keen zinc]

No it's a type of game, it's a military simulator

It's meant to be realistic

[versed hamlet]

I will need to invent a word for 'player milsim' then

[keen zinc]

Shooter

Is called a shooter

[versed hamlet]

very much no

people can milsim other genres

[keen zinc]

That's called tryharding

Possibly even larping

[versed hamlet]

it's usually super ineffective because they try to shove in outdated military tactics instead of trying to win

[keen zinc]

Military verisimilitude

[versed hamlet]

larping yes
larping like
power fantasy military generals

[keen zinc]

Larpers in online shooters are so funny

Can be the best or worst people to play with

[versed hamlet]

map simulator
tell people where to go
have so many people you steamroll resistance and ruin the game
then implode the second you go up against 2/3rds the amount of pop you have

this kind of milsim is it's own entity of itself

it's kinda culty usually

but then I occasionally go read like
early gunpowder era european battles
and they do the same thing but with actual bodies

[upbeat vector]

Weird

I seem to have gotten into the ship but not the servers?

[versed hamlet]

helldivers only has 4 people so hard to have the hierarchy for it

[hollow plover]

"You WILL walk in formation and you MUST only use the railgun and when I say present you WILL aim the railgun and when I say ready you WILL charge the railgun and you may ONLY fire when I SAY SOI"

[versed hamlet]

steam has maintenance around this time every Tuesday
I think it's already over

[upbeat vector]

Yeah, I'm in now

[versed hamlet]

basically this
although they're usually too unfocused to actually tell you to aim and fire
but they try and have mandatory loadouts

and most of the time it isn't a discussion
it's just "x is good because I said so"

the people I know from planetside I kinda don't want to play helldivers with because I know they'll do that at least a little even if the group I'm part of is super casual

[versed hamlet]

this applies to all steam games using their matchmaking
which means helldivers probably uses their p2p instead of ips (hopefully)

[honest loom]

Helldivers is about the camaraderie of teamwork and how bad things can still happen to good divers

[versed hamlet]

well actually it has dedicated servers I bet
but similar deal

[rapid scaffold]

SimCity is a milsim because I can just piss money away on stupid shit with no apparent benefit

[versed hamlet]

I'm pretty sure in some of the games the advisors will tell you you're spending too much money on them and they need the baseline services to do their job as well
just like how congress is addicted to tanks when the military is addicted to DARPA

maybe congress is just gacha for generals and they pulled too many tanks

[keen zinc]

Elden Ring DLC is going to be the chaff Arrowhead needs to get everything in order

[pale remnant]

lol

[merry cosmos]

Chafed arrowhead

[keen zinc]

Fire off the gamer flare to lure away the bulk of gamernids

[merry cosmos]

Capital G self identified Gamers or people who play video games

[versed hamlet]

both probably

with a large enough sample of gamers you'll have a large number of Gamers

[versed hamlet]

like this is pretty Gamer

[merry cosmos]

Coomsumers even?

(To be a Gamer is to be a Coomsoomer and pretend otherwise)

[tardy onyx]

The Helldivers community wasn't lying, those robots are traumatizing.

[versed hamlet]

I think early robots is harder then you get enough kit and the bugs outscale them in sheer terror

[honest loom]

The dream is real

[verbal summit]

HAAAAHAAHAHHAA

AAAAAAAAH

[versed hamlet]

yesssss

[versed hamlet]

usually sentries are what triggers this from my char
or the drone

[verbal summit]

Lmao

I'm wondering if using a sentry builds with somethijg like the dome shield would be good.

[versed hamlet]

because I'll like
have a mortar down and also a gatling at the same time when things are getting hot
also potentially shooting a few guys myself

[coral linden]

how are the servers lookin'?

[versed hamlet]

not as bad

[coral linden]

might hop on a bit this evening if they're accessible

[verbal summit]

I should play with people here sometime maybe.

[upbeat vector]

I learned that the Sentries actually have their heads poking over their front shield a little bit today

[unreal merlin]

Shield emplacement is really cool but of dubious usefulness, it doesn't last especially long and can be brought down with enough hostile fire.

[verbal summit]

Also I've learned the sniper rifle goes crazy

[verbal summit]

Ah

[versed hamlet]

the anti mat or a primary?

[pale remnant]

The insane laughter one you hold the trigger down a while is so good

[verbal summit]

Also I think the escorting civvies mission can be made easy with 2+ people running sentries. Especially mortar autocannon and the ems mortar

[upbeat vector]

It's not something to reliably focus on, but if you've got a height advantage and you're using an automatic weapon...

[versed hamlet]

do you mean striders?

/walkers

or the deployable sentries

[unreal merlin]

Also shield emplacement is way better if you have allies that actually will use it. Instead of reactionary panic, you can drop the shield emplacement just inside an automaton compound's entrance and everyone get inside the shield, where you all can then attack enemies and clear the entrance to the compound to push further inside

but if you are playing with people who run around like headless chickens and try to shoot from one side of the bubble to the other and go when their bullets get blocked, well

shield isn't very good

[oblique lotus]

add politics

add politics

add politics

[meager saffron]

,

[oblique lotus]

I

[stone bridge]

,,,

[oblique lotus]

I feel like my eyes are melting because I refuse to believe that someone typed this seriously

I just

like

did you miss the intro?

did you miss the tutorial?

and like, every NPC in the game?

[eager pine]

Why do you have five super samples? They only spawn in groups of either 3 or 6.

[versed hamlet]

Gamers

[oblique lotus]

8s spawn five

[candid finch]

BTW these people are probably posting on steam cause they're banned on the official discord

[oblique lotus]

presumably

also god I don't want to be the mods in charge of that discord

[eager pine]

My friend said he saw this and interpretted it as the CEO "begging people not to play the game" and uh... Weird interpretation but ok.

[north fiber]

I have to wonder if they realize that Super Earth are the bad guys

[eager pine]

Wait what? I thought 8 and 7 spawned only 3 and 9 spawned only 6

[oblique lotus]

it's 3 5 6 iirc

[eager pine]

Huh... definitely not how I remember it, but I can't remember for sure if I've actually found samples on impossible or just did an operation as fast as possible to unlock Helldive.

[unreal merlin]

Seconding the 3/5/6 supersample spawnings on diff. 7/8/9

[eager pine]

Has anyone managed to shoot down dropships with rocket launchers before they drop their troops? I have tried several times but I always either miss or am too late. You have to hit an engine to one shot it for anyone who doesn't know.

[unreal merlin]

It does work

You gotta be ready for it to get in in time but if you've got someone on AA duty specifically, it can alleviate a lot of struggle

[eager pine]

Well I've been trying it on defend missions and it's almost never worked out for me.

They move around too much and too eradically.

Shifting up and down a bunch.

[oblique lotus]

hit an engine as it comes in basically

[eager pine]

Although dropping a dropship on the enemy does occationally seem to damage it. that might have been the mortars though.

Can't hit them as they're coming in though.

They're flying at weird angles.

And at wildly varying speeds.

You basically have to now the exact path it's going to take, it's deceleration, and it's velocity all before hand.

[honest acorn]

It’s easiest when they’re stopped and raining men

[eager pine]

Right, but my that point it's too late.

[honest acorn]

The dropship will fall on the drop troops and kill them

[eager pine]

That didn't seem to happen for me.

[honest acorn]

Hulks and tanks may survive that

[eager pine]

Like, not consistently.

[candid finch]

It's certainly difficult

[eager pine]

I'd drop the ship and the kill counter wouldn't go up

[honest acorn]

But not factories don’t I managed to take out a light outpost that way

The kill counter doesn’t go up but they’re dead

[eager pine]

Oh... well that's useless then. damn.

[candid finch]

but if it was that easy it wouldn't be worth the pay off of killing an entire wave

[honest acorn]

Well, you don’t have to fight them

[eager pine]

Yes I do

It's a defense missions, the whole point is to kill as many as possible as quickly as possible

[candid finch]

We were talking just in general not on one mission

[honest acorn]

Oh, yeah for defense missions it’s probably not worth it then

[eager pine]

Well yeah, it's fine in general.

[honest acorn]

But it’s very nice for limiting how many bots are trying to kill you in general

[stone bridge]

It counts toward automaton kills in defense missions

Just not toward your stated kill count at the end

[eager pine]

Like, dropping a ship on top of the tank it just brough in to make the tank easier to kill will certainly help.

[stone bridge]

Game's a tad buggy like that

[honest acorn]

Oh ok, I just know the yellow skull counter didn’t go up

[stone bridge]

But every dead bot will count

[eager pine]

Well that's what I'ms aying. I didn't notice it go up after taking out a dropship that just dropped a buncha raiders.

[stone bridge]

I don't know what to tell ya, worked for me

[eager pine]

Guess I must have just been unlucky and it missed them.

Or maybe they got taken out by a mortar shot the second before or something...

[honest acorn]

That’s possible, the dropships sometimes break in half or go somewhere weird when they fall

[keen zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/0keLRv89e4

[stone bridge]

lmao

[keen zinc]

Apparently the MG and any other med armor pen guns can kneecap Hulks

I must test this

[eager pine]

This quote is almost definitely fake, but kinda relevant: https://twitter.com/CelluloidWhisky/status/1759788839927972054

Stone Age Gnomeo (@CelluloidWhisky) on X

GOOD JOB PAUL

Twitter · Feb 20, 2024, 3:55 AM

[keen zinc]

Okay but Rico killing the tanker bug was really cool

[eager pine]

I just meant to the gam ein general. I can't even remember that part of the movie.

Which is the tanker bug?

I spent an hour tryig to get into the game today then went back to warframe.

https://fxtwitter.com/HardDriveMag/status/1760054027965153688

I can only play from like 8 PM.

Like... I mean... if I try to log in any time before that it's just pointless.

[honest acorn]

Huh, there’s a surprising amount of lore in this ad

Lmao

[rapid scaffold]

Thank goodness super Earth is more enlightened

[thorn inlet]

Ok, now I wonder how Terminid society works because the propaganda is definitely protesting too much about their intelligence lol

[merry cosmos]

Its probably some variety of hive mind/swarm intelligence if i had to guess

Bugs tend to be one of those camps

[keen zinc]

No they're actually individually sentient and capable of artistic expression

Even the small ones

It's truly tragic

[merry cosmos]

Cannon or headcannon?

[meager saffron]

autocannon

[candid finch]

I mean the Terminids literally have a disaster cleanup bug there

with the bile thrower

[merry cosmos]

The best cannon

[keen zinc]

Joke canon

[merry cosmos]

Semi related

[keen zinc]

I highly doubt they would use the tactics they do if they were individually sapient

Unless they're actually fascist

[merry cosmos]

I genuinely doubt that

[keen zinc]

Would be funny tho

Turns out they're only lying about the intelligence part

The bugs are actually freedom hating fascists they just intelligent freedom hating fascists

"the bugs aren't mindless tyrannical beasts! They're actually quite intelligent"

[merry cosmos]

Terminid queens be given like... idk any reading material they would have

[honest acorn]

https://preview.redd.it/will-we-see-living-hive-lords-i-wonder-we-see-fossils-of-v0-ni0qetvukqjc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=19f1c91ca29c01b9c04c873cc5f4dd15ec1b8aff

These were the big boss bugs of the first game

[supple siren]

You can find empty husks of 'em on Terminid maps

[sour falcon]

Especially horrifying if they sandworm around and can’t be hit by some slower strategems

[honest acorn]

Oh that’s what those are!

[supple siren]

Wonder if it's like an "they've evolved" hint or just that they could be around

[thorn inlet]

Maybe it's their moults

[versed hamlet]

I doubt they're even sapient as a whole
it probably got genetically engineered out of them if they had it after the first war and now they're just being seeded in places is my guess

basically
super animal abuse

[keen zinc]

yeah im guess just letting them loose on colonized worlds to rapidly propagate is more effective than controlled farms

[versed hamlet]

well I think it's more to have a thing to fight against

[keen zinc]

double

[versed hamlet]

I'm betting the farms were doing fine but the dissendence was not

[supple siren]

Can you not see that these vile beasts simply loathe our way of life

How did we end up gene splicing some of them Invisible. What was the goal

[versed hamlet]

super earth reeks of 'we have gone so post scarcity that not even late stage capitalism can create true supply issues'

[keen zinc]

i got in super fast lmao

Got two pubbies

landed

one immediately calls an airstrike and orbital bombard on us

or it was scrambled stratagems and i kicked them for no reason

yeah actually it was that

i am stupit

i feel bad

[kindred lintel]

i usually boot up the game every hour, wait in queue for 5-10 minutes, then close the game

[versed hamlet]

well if it makes you feel better in my recent games there's always been one pub that seems to want to run in and die repeatedly

last game they even refused my shield backpack and ran around naked

the host ended up kicking 2 people lol

[versed hamlet]

like 'use up 10 reinforcements in the first 15 minutes' tier

[versed hamlet]

although this was for tk reasons

[north fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203235622182068234/1209688308599230504/b3vpqdfdzsjc1.png?ex=65e7d507&is=65d56007&hm=08957d5310519f624aafe0c76f3d2308451bde5bb8b58d1d08bc9309ef3a7f94&

[keen zinc]

https://i.imgur.com/yrQGDSk.jpeg

i died defending extract but all my cadets made it onto the boat

any <@&1206091872716595200> wanna crush some bots

[kindred lintel]

Let me see if I can get in

[unkempt river]

Just leaving for work, rip

[oblique storm]

https://vxtwitter.com/Dionysus9517/status/1759936402987405802

[stone bridge]

Real

this is part of why I like Eagle Strafing Run, extremely simple combo

[jolly mortar]

always feels more like panic finger-DDR to me

[kindred lintel]

Gas attack go!

I love it because of its 75s cd, 2s land time, and 4 button input

I can always rely on it and oribital barrage

[honest acorn]

https://youtu.be/nlb7TnTNCZs

I do have to admit the "spill oil" line is going pretty hard

[stone bridge]

Apparently Gas Attack can destroy buildings...?

Bug holes and factories namely

Which is wild

[honest acorn]

Is it the DoT or the bonk?

Since the gas comes in on a real artillery shell

[stone bridge]

I think the bonk

[honest acorn]

That's cool

[meager saffron]

hilarious

I really need to figure out how to use gas more effectively, gas+ems seems slightly nuts

but complex stratagem really fucks your ability to use that combo

[honest acorn]

vs bots its easy, just throw it at large concentrations since they chill in it

Not sure how to use it best on bugs

[meager saffron]

yeah I might have just been using it on the wrong targets

[honest acorn]

Since they tend to run out of it before the big ones die

[meager saffron]

yeah

hence the attempt to wombo combo EMS with it

but even EMS has some startup before it gets bugs to stick

maybe it's just better if I use napalm if I want a dot for bugs

[honest acorn]

It might be, it blocks such a huge frontage

[stone bridge]

Yeah I think napalm is the better bugs option

[honest acorn]

The thing I like about gas as well is it has something absurd like a 70 second cd and lasts like 15-20 seconds

Which is I think one of the highest uptimes for any strike

[oblique storm]

Napalm is good for bugs just because of the way they spawn

It's less good for bots because like

you aren't really able to choke them on the approach like you can with bugs

dropships make a mockery of your life

[rapid scaffold]

Me vs mech terran

[candid finch]

Gas is an odd one at times

[honest acorn]

I wonder if they'll add a hazard ops looking armor set to 2 soon

I really liked the look in 1

[meager saffron]

yeah it's fucking insane

[candid finch]

Thing is, it can be good against bugs because I feel the bugs have a lower health pool for basic ads, but with bots they are slower and linger in it more so I use it more against bots

[meager saffron]

it does not feel fair

I just had that shit in basically every fight

[candid finch]

I often like to combo gas with a minefield

Make it so if they move they're in trouble, if they stand still they're still in trouble

Sometimes I feel like it should hit a wider area though, because I'll huck it over a wall into a automaton compound and it'll gas an area but miss areas. I want a big stinking cloud.

[honest acorn]

yeah I feel you there

380mm gas barrage pleas

[candid finch]

yeeees

[kindred lintel]

That would be an interesting concept:

• Unlock a general "orbital" by default
• Buy different upgrades/mods for that stategem type, limited to 2 mods

[honest acorn]

"Hey why do they mark these call in orbs with this funny text?"

[fringe quiver]

it's so you know they have special flavouring

sometimes rainbow sprinkles, sometimes fluorescent lime, sometimes super earth democracy flavored

[mortal wing]

had a similar moment with a charger and 500kg bomb

Got stuck to it and it, well, charged at us

[candid finch]

Part of me wonders, if the illuminate come back (which I hope they do) it would be an interesting thing where the idea is that there are important members being trapped on Super Earth where they are effectively forcing a ceasefire, but if either Terminids or the Automatons get to superearth it means the prisoners manage to escape in the chaos

I think this would an interesting method of release, since it's most likely going to be that if the assault reaches super earth the number of players has dropped off pretty hard, so introducing a new faction around that time would be a draw to bring people back in

[mortal wing]

that would require people to lose hard for a month or so

and automaton defence when it first came out and was just not fun to play, didn't make people excited for that at all

[dusk meadow]

yeah, we keep getting our arses kicked out here

we've already re-lost Draupnir

[copper crest]

https://twitter.com/LionelSchramm/status/1759973926707319234

ONE_RAMM (@LionelSchramm) on X

Just another day on Malevelon Creek

@helldivers2 fan art

Twitter · Feb 20, 2024, 4:10 PM

[stark ether]

https://fxtwitter.com/RawaaxFr/status/1760116176456450542

[stone bridge]

<@&1206091872716595200> we divin?

[south temple]

if i can get in lmao

[stone bridge]

[stark ether]

[meager saffron]

@stone bridge you still helldivin

[stone bridge]

listenin to magnus archives now

[meager saffron]

[stone bridge]

i'll see if I can get in

pog

[meager saffron]

pog

[stone bridge]

aaaaand i crashed

[meager saffron]

[stone bridge]

back

<@&1206091872716595200> looking for 2 more

[unkempt river]

:(

Managed Democracy is powered by Capitalism (I'm at work)

[verbal summit]

Now I wanna see ant war videos

I wanna see ant democracy, ant liberty and and freedom being ant dispensed.

[stark ether]

i may try joining here in a bit though i'm sure the difficulty will kick me in the teeth (for context i've been stuck in baby mode)

[daring monolith]

It’s so funny to me that until you get the final upgrade your ship’s cannons are muzzle-loaded

[stone bridge]

[meager saffron]

104562438 @stark ether

[versed hamlet]

I'm like
how
aren't those guns pointed into space???
they don't look like they have an automatic front loader

[daring monolith]

They send people external to reload them by hand

40k style

[versed hamlet]

but the eagle needs hazard pay to rearm mid spaceflight

ugh I just had the milsim hierarchy behavior I described happen to me when playing
but it was from another discord not from quickplay
always the unexpected places

quickplay isn't as bad as I first thought at least

[versed hamlet]

wait that was you?
you're level 20 or something right?

[stark ether]

19 i think

[versed hamlet]

one more level and you get shield and railgun which makes bots a lot more forgiving

not die to random rocket: the backpack

[cobalt patrol]

Who's around atm?

[stark ether]

i'd need to try to log in but am available

[cobalt patrol]

I'm gonna bio and do some stuff, but if you want some games before ih ead to bed i'd be down 🙂

I'm post level 20 so up for most anything

[cobalt patrol]

and i'm back

[naive dragon]

I need to do some leveling some time doing difficulty 3 solos is fun but I'm not getting above that without a squad

[lunar jetty]

I'm very happy how easy it is to get the "premium" currency vs the prices of items

generally you'll get barely enough to buy a single thing, if that

[naive dragon]

Right

If you really want sc there's some good farming guides too

plus like, I can give a game I like five bucks once in a while, especially when I don't feel forced to

[cobalt patrol]

Yeah, the monetization so far feels very healthy

I have some concerns - premium warbonds being 1/month, the fact we've had at least one unique armour set (light + medic) be cash shop only, but it's early days yet and compared to like, Destiny 2 or good gods, Warframe (seriously, that games monetization is so horrific) it's pretty swell

[stark ether]

the 1/month thing doesnt worry me as they've said they wont be retiering them so once it gets put up you'll always have access to it

also i thought warframe was one of the better monetizations? like they try to keep out some of the more preditory things and have hotfixed out things when they saw them leading to abuse, like kubro rerolling

[hexed steeple]

<@&1206091872716595200> dive hell

[unkempt river]

I'll probably be up for 1-2 in 20ish minutes

[hexed steeple]

yahoo

[stark ether]

let me see if i can get in

[hexed steeple]

im already in so i think if i invite you through steam you can skip any potential queue

[stark ether]

30700432

[hexed steeple]

invite sent

i'll bein the activity 1 voice channel

[jolly mortar]

I may hop on in a second here

okay yeah, gonna go bathroom and then hop on, steam friend code is 950175726

[sour falcon]

Bots without some sort of armor pen feels like banging one’s head against a wall

Been heavily relying on eagle strikes and autocannon sentry to help clear any bot mission in 6/5 difficulties.

[keen zinc]

Nah

headshots kill devestators with small arms

just control your grouping

you only NEED AT against hulks

and base structures

[jolly mortar]

arms, head, groin are the usual targets I shoot for and it's usually reliable

[meager sandal]

The medium guys you can shoot their limbs off like a borderlands robot

[jolly mortar]

you can shoot the arms off a lot of bots, really

it's definitely doable on hulks, regular rank and file, and berserkers

[versed hamlet]

the premium warbonds are also forever right?
you could probably keep up with them if you turbo grind at least 1-2 weeks a month but I'm betting the intent is you pick and choose the ones you want since medals are also a bottleneck

[thorn inlet]

Can you pick up past warbonds?

[versed hamlet]

I think it says they last forever in game

[thorn inlet]

For "free" that is

[versed hamlet]

everything about it goes against what we know about battlepasses

[versed hamlet]

well, they don't exactly have a second premium currency do they?

unless the price increases
but then they'd cost like dozens of dollars each

like
in most games earning the same amount of premium currency that $10 gives you takes eons or insane optimization

[stark ether]

i think the plan is once a warbond is up its up forever (they use the phrase "warbonds are evergreen") but they havent said anything about if premium ones will be reduced in price ever

they have a warbonds faq over here https://discord.com/channels/1102970375731691612/1202994703994331238

they also say "Items in the Super Store will always come back. "

[versed hamlet]

they estimate 10-40 SC per hour
I think that's probably about right if you account for missions that don't spawn lootables or spawn barely any, like area clear and civ extract

[kindred lintel]

How many credits are in the pickups?

Only 10?

[stark ether]

yeah and if you really want to grind for them you can just run trivials

[versed hamlet]

10 yeah
but you can find many in the same 30 minute mission

I think it'd probably be better to do a difficulty with tactical objectives that shows radar on map

[stark ether]

get a 4 person group run trivial missions in light armor trivials have a smaller map

[versed hamlet]

then hit all the points of interest it shows and ignore nests

oh is the map amount the same generally?
I'd figured it be based on size but if that's constant then smaller maps would have higher density

[stark ether]

yeah they explicitly stated higher difficulties dont have more so trivial should have the same odds

also

what

[versed hamlet]

well I'm betting they didn't account for map size

but maybe

I'd try civ extract missions then and see if the ring of lootables around the base has a ton of sc
they're shorter but perhaps not 'drop pad upload' short

[stark ether]

civ extracts take a while, if you want speed missions you want illegal broadcasts or brood commander

[versed hamlet]

more because it has a weird map where all the points of interest will be in a ring around the main objective

[rotund marten]

I've made enough to buy the SC warbond already as well as a couple of armour sets

I fully expect to rack up another few hundred by the time I'm done with said warbond also

[stark ether]

yeah but i'm betting the time to compleet the main objective isnt worth that trade off

[keen zinc]

<@&1206091872716595200> democracy needs you

[versed hamlet]

yeah
it's hard to gauge how much I've made from the normal warbind without looking

but I got an armor set and am like 40 off of the premium

[vestal trail]

Yeah, the Bots do shoot back up from the planet

[jolly mortar]

if I was grinding SCs more dedicatedly I'd prolly have the premium pass by now tbh

[stark ether]

so checking from the drop screen the trivial extraction and trivial brood commander have the same overall map size

[keen zinc]

47537093

steam friend code

[stark ether]

yeah just ran a quick solo test 4 poi + a friendship door i couldn't open got 3 sc and 1 medals 8 minutes

so unless they are doing stuff like spawning less in if youve gotten them recently trivials are the way to go and you can easily beat 40/h

second test also 3 sc pickups and ~8min

[junior badge]

https://peoplemaking.games/@glassbottommeg/111970545516191014

Looks like the Discord mods for Helldivers got something right, too.

[jolly mortar]

'harmless messages'

I was pretty endeared to see pride flag emojis in the server and a lot of people use em

[barren iron]

I play games to escape reality. Stop using the colour red (it is real)

[gusty wave]

I ran some level 1 and 2 dives last night for super credits, it’s def not worth doing objectives. You can hit all of the POI’s in about 3-4 minutes, but doing the objective and extracting will easily double that time if not more

[stark ether]

i've said it before and i'll say it again: the amount i would pay for pride flag capes...

[short rune]

Lorewise Super Earth supports LGBTQ+

[stark ether]

oh right sc is instant applied isnt it you can just quit back to menu

[barren iron]

it does?

I wont lie my friends asked me if I thought it did and I said no because it's 2000s america

but really, if you're a patriot in support of freedom and democracy

you're a super earther...

[short rune]

Saw some hints in HD1. One of the female soldiers on your ship had a girlfriend at home for example.

[barren iron]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-computer-arcade-game-gif-14130275131550849245

[oblique storm]

The spamming animation is so fucking funny when you're like

waiting for something to load

and you're just like

"C'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MONC'MON"

[versed hamlet]

starship troopers was also gender equality showers iirc

[versed hamlet]

and also apparently if you join late you don't get it
explained in faq

[stark ether]

yeah its applied to accounts on pickup, unlike samples which are at extract

[versed hamlet]

the faq also says you have to complete the mission iirc

but maybe if you're solo quitting counts

[stark ether]

no it says you can leave

[versed hamlet]

definitely don't need to extract

oh it says 'other' rewards, missed that, sorry

it also says the sc awarded varies?

but it might be from multiple drops in one PoI and they just explained it weird

[stark ether]

its supposed to but (and i'm guessing here) i think the variability of that may be something they turned off at somepoint

[versed hamlet]

I'm betting they're talking about location when in practice people would want to know about per lootable now
probably more relevant before people experienced the game and PoIs themselves

so if you find 3 stacks behind a friendship door or 2 in a crate that's technically 30-20 per point of interest

I wish pickups had a personal summary thing even if they didn't want to do a team based one as well

because if other people are picking them up it's really hard to tell

[rotund marten]

did some "testing" on Haz8

grenade launcher into Charger abdomen is a 4 shot kill

as long as it detonates on the fleshy part rather than next to it

this thing is great

[versed hamlet]

good to know

[gritty sundial]

I felt like a god bouncing a nade under a charger and killing it

[last mortar]

Hello Helldivers: So, I’ve not played the game myself (on a datacap and my router/modem is located in the exact wrong side of where I live for a stable connection), but I’m seeing people describe the Maleveon Creek planet in Helldivers 2 as “Robo-Vietnam,” and I also know that Helldivers is intentionally going for the players being satirical jingoistic Space Americans.
However, some of the videos I’ve seen of that planet make me think that while the comparison is fun and a good one, you might be playing as the Viet Cong rather than MACV SOG in Robo-Vietnam

I’m kinda curious if y’all who actually play think that’s accurate?

[rotund marten]

you have way too much on-call firepower to be the VC

or even the NVA

[indigo bear]

I don’t think any level of thought with that level of detail was given to the comparison

[rotund marten]

and the enemy are the chaps who get the hover dropships

[indigo bear]

It’s pretty much ‘war in jungle = Vietnam War’ and that’s it

[hallow gorge]

Yeah basically

[oblique storm]

Super Earth being LGBTQ friendly but NOT left-handed friendly is really funny

[jolly mortar]

the robo-vietnam joke is mostly because of Malevelon Creek being a map with really heavy jungle forestation that makes it hard to see enemies in the surroundings, leading to you just hearing a burst of machine-speak in the trees somewhere followed by laser fire erupting in your direction.

that is the depth of the joke, honestly

[kindred lintel]

If anything with those charging handles, they arent right handed friendly

[oblique storm]

It's also because Liberty and Democracy is getting their fucking ass kicked

[hallow gorge]

It's really more like Star Wars

[last mortar]

Gotcha, I just saw some of the videos with the insane level of fire being thrown your way and a lot of the missions are attacking Robot bases and the robots have the hover drop ships to do air cav stuff

[honest acorn]

There’s no S (for Sinister) in LGBTQ

[oblique storm]

But yeah for anyone who hasn't seen it

There's a lore bit about how you need a doctor's note to be able to salute with your left arm.

If you're left handed

[last mortar]

And yeah I expected there wasn’t any real depth to it and I know that part of the whole thing is the players having a bunch of call in artillery

[jolly mortar]

side-note: the orbital laser when you have the 'more guns' upgrade is really funny. it just goes and goes and goes and goes. it bored straight into a single robot corpse for about a full minute in an earlier mission.

[last mortar]

…that has me wondering, while it’s only recently militaries have stopped going “We will train the wronghandedness out of you for weapons operation” I don’t think saluting is something that you are supposed to do with a different hand, since that’s just a looks thing

[kindred lintel]

When I was in the military, they didn't care. You MUST use your right hand to salute

Might have just been my base

[last mortar]

I think that saluting is supposed to be uniform, so it’s always whatever hand everyone does it as

[stark ether]

i think in the us its right handed unless physically unable

[last mortar]

Yeah, you don’t want a line of people at a ceremony all doing it one way and then one or two people breaking the symmetry of the formation, it’s a looks thing

Anyways, thanks for allowing me to pop in and overthink the Robo-Vietnam comparisons

[rotund marten]

It does have a lot of that Vietnam movie atmosphere, at least

It's very We Were Soldiers

also hot damn Diff 8 does not fuck around

infinite chargers

[copper crest]

Until the moment you step under a jammer

[unreal merlin]

No, that's correct. There's one correct way to salute, typically using your right hand in most militaries

[lunar jetty]

For the first time had a lobby with two people who absolutely refused to rescue a single civilian

[unreal merlin]

I do remember one time a drill instructor confused the hell out of another trainee by telling them to "salute that lieutenant (leif-tenant, British pronunciation)" and he heard "left handed" and so saluted with his left hand and got reamed because of it. He was very confused.

[lunar jetty]

And then failed to extract

Stood there and shot bots for 15 minutes

no XP, no requisition, no medals

[copper crest]

AIUI if your right hand is full with something hard to drop it’s preferable you salute leftie than fumble around, if both hands are full you just kinda project salute energy

[lunar jetty]

what the fuck was that about

[unreal merlin]

To his credit, idk why anyone in the US military would ever say leif-tenant, that's literally not the term for it here

That guy was weird

[copper crest]

What’s even funnier is that leff-tenant is just the British Army but not the Royal Navy

[unreal merlin]

The correct thing to do is just carry the stuff in your left hand instead, transfer it over. Left handed salute is just incorrect. Though you're right if your arms are full you just greet verbally and project salute energy

But also left handed salute is the kind of desperate committal of effort that any reasonable officer would just let it pass and move on with their day

"you tried I guess"

[versed hamlet]

now we need an image of the 'you tried' star attempting to salute

[rotund marten]

haz 8 blindfolded samples%

so glad the autocannon on the team killed those

a normal number of samples scavenged from dead bodies

[limber pike]

Oh my god my eyes

The spores

[candid finch]

Was doing a game with a friend and a rando, and the rando got weirdly insisting on running around collecting every single point of interest on the map they could. Which is like... okay we've grabbed a ton already, we don't need to scour the place even after we've done all of the mission stuff and all the spawning things

[versed hamlet]

randos either seem to want to scour everything you already explored or extract instantly

no in-between

someone in my steam friend's list seems to be 24/7 afking the game
I've barely seen them do any missions and they've been constantly online the last 4 days

[south temple]

prolly to beat the queue

[unreal merlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/173831852602294272/1209678175672606760/where-the-fuck-did-that-charger-come-from-v0-bveqx4ao9vhc1.png?ex=65e7cb97&is=65d55697&hm=42db3ba8d5b7c2bd0f67bf0fd8f6a27a36b7eda027f79e1e2d47d9ad68be9f93&

[rotund marten]

I am a big "clear the map" enthusiast

also makes extraction far easier

[honest acorn]

Oh does it?

[rotund marten]

Haz8 is the first difficulty I've played where that just becomes infeasible

[honest acorn]

Do the patrols just rush you at the end?

[rotund marten]

the more nests you pop, the less you get swarmed, at least in my experience

a clear map is often a literally free extract

[honest acorn]

ok coolk

[unreal merlin]

Yeah idk what specific benefit it is but I think clearing outposts has some factor in enemy presence.

At least vs bots you can always just lob stratagems over the walls to strike assemblers.

[honest acorn]

Yeah bug holes are surprisingly hard to close with strats

[copper crest]

OTOH, very easy to close nests with autocannon

[honest acorn]

true

[rotund marten]

bug nests are very resistant to being airstruck because they're well spread out and very numerous, whereas you can often get bug bases by crawling to vaguely nearby and throwing basic eagle airstrike in

it's one of three or four reasons I swear by the grenade launcher

easy hole closing with a reload you can do on the move

which means you don't have to clear the three chargers guarding the place

[versed hamlet]

I swear by nade/laser rover for bugs and railcannon/shield for bots

[rotund marten]

I like nade/shield personally, lets me do lots of risky clears

[versed hamlet]

er railgun

[unreal merlin]

Good standards to use

[versed hamlet]

the railgun/shield is much more reliable since chargers can be annoying with nade unless you're misc

[unreal merlin]

Shield is kinda iffy for me on bots depending on what else I'm looking to do, sometimes I can just not get hit

And vs bugs I definitely like laser over shield

[versed hamlet]

it's both rocket insurance and makes skrimishing them much easier

[unreal merlin]

Tbh I've eaten too many hits that somehow ignored the shield to trust it to actually be rocket insurance

[versed hamlet]

it doesn't protect from below I think

so anything that explodes within you will go through

mines, rocket jumpers

[unreal merlin]

I'd rather have an extra stratagem I can use to either clear mobs or destroy an objective instead

[rotund marten]

chargers still take a bit of killing with the grenades, since you generally have to force them to hit a rock to get a good shot

but it's good to be able to do it

[versed hamlet]

usually everyone else ends up with one of my shields equipped by the end lol

[rotund marten]

on Haz 8/9 there's often so many chargers that you just can't spare time to kill them and just need to treat them as map hazards until you can disengage or thin the numbers out with strats

[north fiber]

Saladin Advocate
doesn't want to run shield

HMMMMM

[rotund marten]

chargers aren't actually that dangerous, which helps

[versed hamlet]

yeah they're mostly just hard to kill

[rotund marten]

high difficulty bug missions involve a lot of weaving through and around the doom horde that you can't efficiently kill

I think people who say bugs are harder at high difficulty mostly have not internalised the Bug Safety Dance

the exceptions are Hunters, which jump at you and thus can effectively swarm you even on high ground, Stalkers, which spawn in absurd numbers on those difficulties and rush you down in packs, and Bile Spitters, which are artillery

I am not looking forward to one of those 3-4 stalker nest missions on Impossible or Helldive because just one nest on Impossible was spitting out killsquads of 4-8 stalkers as I was trying to close with it

had to die to take it down

[versed hamlet]

imo it's more
bots are more predictable

[merry cosmos]

Do the gay's have to sign the c-140 forum?

[versed hamlet]

if you roll more rockets that sucks
but with bugs they can get a lot of extra stuff they don't always have

grums' and I's shuttle didn't come so we're running outside the combat area and dying repeatedly

it took like 5 minutes

"glorious sacrifice"

like 12 traitors

[unreal merlin]

Sorry I'm pending a name change since the group I played Saladin in has been disbanded.

[north fiber]

it's fine, we were just trying to make a joke

[unreal merlin]

Putting that character and mech into the closet where he can collect dust with the rest of my unused characters.

[north fiber]

moooood