Space Vietnam is real
#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!
unreal merlin
oblique lotus
the trees are speaking binaric
stuck ravine
We fought our first hulk, me and some of my friends today, and that was just sheer terror
unreal merlin
rotund marten
I think 2 regular mortars is worth but you absolutely need 4x EMS
it slows the assaults down massively
At this point hulks have ceased to be a strain on my nerves
unless it's the rocket one
oblique lotus
Hulks die to railguns
rotund marten
hate that guy
unreal merlin
Yeah, if you have good aim you can railgun the eye of a hulk once or twice and it'll cook off their ammo
stuck ravine
railgun? We ain't got that. We ain't got that at all.
honest acorn
AMR also can be its scary feeling since you need to scope in more
barren iron
I find it funny how helldivers are essentially behind the lines spec ops doing key target demolition/aquisition
Yet we are also the first people they call to put on the frontline defenses
stuck ravine
They also have almost nonexistent training
stark ether
what was it a 21% survival rate?
also my kingdom for a leveraction rifle
oh wait the slugger might work
stuck ravine
Helldivers are the epitome of "Never meet your heroes"
Just imagine civilians meeting one or seeing a squad in action and just being mortified at how absolutely chaotic and dumb we are.
rotund marten
I am a big fan of the technician on the ship who is a huge helldiver fangirl
indigo bear
There’s definitely gonna be an armor set made out of bug chitin at some point, right?
I wanna look like I’ve been behind the lines so long, I had to patch armor with terminid bits
stark ether
Just imagine civilians meeting one or seeing a squad in action and just being mo...
you mean the defense missions?
rotund marten
despite presumably seeing fifty thousand of them pod down and about ten come back
stuck ravine
My dumb gremlin ass screaming down out of orbit and detonating a outpost with my drop pod, whilst simultaneously blowing up half my squad.
stark ether
despite presumably seeing fifty thousand of them pod down and about ten come bac...
theres a reason the ship has a revolving cryo bay
stuck ravine
I entered a kill a number of bots mission by accidentally killing the dude calling for reinforcements
I was looking at my phone for a second and didn't realize my pod was coming down on top of him
barren iron
They also have almost nonexistent training
they have to have some kind of training beyond the initial tutorial
they handle their guns very well
and have a great throwing arm
rotund marten
Can also report that the slugger shotgun is good, possibly breaker level good
stuck ravine
They throw you into an obstacle course, jam a rod through your shoulder, then shove you into a pod and shoot you into space.
rotund marten
as long as the rest of your loadout is capable of dealing with infantry blobs it's great for bots, I'm not sure about bugs because two-tapping hive guard and brood commanders is really handy but there's a lot more chaff to clear
stuck ravine
All I need is my trusty revolver, and explosive ammo Liberator
cobalt patrol
I'm not sure i like the revovler? i dunno, it's reall punky
cobalt patrol
Can also report that the slugger shotgun is good, possibly breaker level good
That's good to hear, i really dig the breaker.
rotund marten
Slugger can either one hit or two hit devastators on a perfect headshot, which is great
stuck ravine
I'm not sure i like the revovler? i dunno, it's reall punky
Revolver the best, revolver trusty and reliable
rotund marten
struggles a tiny bit with berserkers because their health pool is huge, but it's a better DMR than the DMR
unreal merlin
https://vxtwitter.com/shrimp_rider/status/1758671796755185710?s=20
FACT
God, LP2 had some wild scenes
stuck ravine
Twitter
honest acorn
its like pottery
stark ether
time is a circle of liberty
cobalt patrol
Also, who's up for some games?
I need more friends to paly this with
GVIE ME YOUR STEAM FRIEND CODES
upbeat vector
fuck
This game, when the stars align and you can get in,
Is fuckin great
I'm so glad it's getting the success it is because it deserves it imo
Just did a Challening mission for the first time, against bots
Two lvl 7s and a 3
All in a call
We had action, we had comedy, we had fear,
Nothing quite like a patrol of bots walking past you like, 2 meters away while you're lying prone asking your also prone squaddies to crawl around the rock
stark ether
meager saffron
helldivers solo is really more like MGS huh
I keep expecting to be able to solo waves and then I remember this isn't destiny
honest acorn
You can apparently get a lot done with stealth too
meager saffron
wouldn't surprise me
I've been hard rushing OBJ while solo
not sure how else you're supposed to get stuff done but it wouldn't surprise me if EMS and smoke ended up being godlike
stone bridge
yeah I think solo really wants the ultrafast scout armour, a backpack shield against bots or jump pack vs bugs, then other strats of your choice
meager saffron
trying to pick fights felt like shit
this was on level 4 as well too so I can't imagine it gets better at higher ranks
daring monolith
I’ve only gone up to level 3 solo. Bugs are easiest bc you can set up a Gatling and just draw out a nest, then go in with GL or grenades to pop the tunnels once it’s clear. Laser drone is also excellent for solo, doubles the guns on a given target. I can imagine level 4 being a pain with chargers being common
Expendable AT I’ve found is pretty good for chargers, that being said- 2 shots per cooldown, and just over a minute of downtime.
meager saffron
EAT feels like the only good heavy weapon at low levels honestly
you don't have shiiiiiiiiit to deal with thick boys
daring monolith
Yeah. AMR is too unwieldy for not enough damage, ordnance has a call-in time, and anything else until you get recoilless can’t damage heavy armour. Recoilless even takes two hits to break charger leg armour, so I’ve been liking eat just for that
meager saffron
Recoilless also is just a worse EAT solo
daring monolith
Yep. You’ve gotta have a loader otherwise it’s a painfully long reload.
And having someone else with the pack means you can take another backpack- drone, supply, shield, etc
meager saffron
yup
or even take the backpack for their autocannon or recoilless etc
dps butt buddies
stray tide
The EAT was surprisingly good tbh
I was told it kinda sucked but it’s very solid
Fav stratagem weapon is the grenade launcher tho
Only saw it in action tonight but it’s so satisfying good lord
daring monolith
GL is an excellent all-rounder
unreal merlin
Whoever says EATs suck is wrong and bad. EAT is excellent.
GL is great too though is rather ineffective when the heavy stuff comes out to play, but does work if its' got weakspots like the backsides of Hulks/Tanks/Turrets/Chargers.
Amazing for clearing patrols out in 2-3 bloops, or bodyshotting heavier automatons.
stone bridge
yeah the GL is kinda like a mini Autocannon
steady flameBOT
gl??? girl's love/??????
stone bridge
lmao
stray tide
Honestly I think it earns its keep by being able to close an entire bug nest in like
30 seconds tops
stone bridge
grenade launcher, 17 :p
stray tide
:3
meager saffron
China Lake does kinda sound like a girls love magazine
daring monolith
Apparently AMR fucks up bots a lot more than it does bugs. Which is interesting. Long range + excellent capacity means it can take out a whole lot of stuff before needing to rearm, you can reload on the move, and it’s pinpoint accurate
stark ether
and you can fire it pretty rapidly in a panic
jolly mortar
what's the over/under on the scythe? is it worth the 30 currency?
stark ether
my game refuses to let me unlock difficulty 4
stone bridge
my game refuses to let me unlock difficulty 4 <:meowsad:415955901162455040>
Even after doing a whole operation?
unreal merlin
what's the over/under on the scythe? is it worth the 30 currency?
It's a pretty good bug tool, but mostly only in some measured capacity. If you start to get really overwhelmed it's hard to keep up with the ones that get in your face between focusing enough to kill one and taking the time to let your weapon cool down.
cobalt patrol
I feel like unlocking weapons in general is going to be a good time
unreal merlin
VS bots, it's underwhelming because it has zero pen against their medium or higher armor
it'll melt the basic infantry well enough and it's literally laser accurate so if you have the steady aim to hold it on a demolisher's head it works fine, that's just hard to do in the heat of a firefight
jolly mortar
I feel like unlocking weapons in general is going to be a good time
yeah it's worth it to spend 30 of the medals I need to advance a tier, but like, I wanted the armor too so I was debating what to grab first
unreal merlin
I'd prefer having my sickle back tbh (the pulse laser variant)
jolly mortar
I imagine if it was a gun from the first game we'll get it eventually, since they confirmed new weapons as regular content drops
unreal merlin
Yeah.
cobalt patrol
Gonna be interesting to see where longterm gun balance etc shakes out
unreal merlin
New superstore armors. Medium armors (100/500/100) with engineering kit and fortified. Look kinda cool.
jolly mortar
yeah that juggernaut one is tempting tbh
unreal merlin
Yeah we're not at that stage of power creep yet.
stark ether
my game refuses to let me unlock difficulty 4 <:meowsad:415955901162455040>
if anyone else has the same issue post here https://discord.com/channels/1102970375731691612/1207648325533437963
stark ether
been like that since i got the game
jolly mortar
If I remember right, the community lead posted in the official server that they deliberately shut off the stat tracking for now because it was adding unnecessary server load.
it's been like that for me since I got the game a few days ago, too
eager pine
I managed to extract 3 super samples out when I needed one more for my last Hangar upgrade, but it only counted two common samples as being extracted.
I lost like 30 commons and 20 rares or something as well.
Like,it showed the reward screen just like it was supposed to, but only two common sampels.
jolly mortar
you'll get them either within an hour or so, or by relogging, but you will get them eventually.
eager pine
I dunno... THis seemed like them just being erased cause everythings was working fine aside from it not counting those samples.
MOST of the samples we collected.
jolly mortar
I mean if you're really unsure, a relog would likely verify it.
eager pine
I suppose so.
Seems like the fastest way to grind common samples is to try to get that bug defense mission inside a hive and collect the fifteen samples in it.
stone bridge
This has literally happened to me repeatedly and a relog has at least sometimes fixed it
Not much else to say
stone bridge
You may get them back later on when the servers do a validation pass
eager pine
I dunno... maybe My friend who said he picked them up just lied to me for no apparent reason. I know people do that sometimes.
stone bridge
That's also happened to me
eager pine
I know I wasn't carrying them when I died cause I looked at my samples just before hand and I was only carrying a single rare. Might have lived if I hadn't done that though.
I guess if you're going for super samples the best thing to do is just finish as quickly as possible once you find them so you don't have to worry about being swarmed by tanks and hulks.
Or Bile titans and chargers
stone bridge
If you're going purely for samples solo, you want to take a full stealth loadout + jump pack then do a search and destroy mission
Find the samples, go to extract and camp on a tall rock until the timer runs out
Extract with your goods
eager pine
Wouldn't that lead to tons of enemies spawning in?
Wait, by search and destroy do you mean Blitz?
stone bridge
That's the full title, yes
And if you're on a tall rock wearing armour with the Scout perk, while prone, you're functionally invisible
Nothing will aggro you
cobalt patrol
I'm still running games (currently on medium for friends sake)
so if anyone wants in
lemme know and i'll toss you my friend code
eager pine
@stone bridge So like, don't complete the objectives?
stark ether
anyone know what these two do?
cobalt patrol
No clue
stark ether
awwww i think quickplay is broke again
short rune
<@&1206091872716595200> Since the Automatons broke matchmaking. Anyone interested in playing?
jolly mortar
yeah it's broken
eager pine
I got super lucky and landed next to the super sample rock
dusk meadow
Darn robots, did you know all their weapons are fueled by injustice? It's why the noble helldivers cannot use them
(I cannot join I've got like, six tons of shit to do today, curse being a real physical creature that requires upkeep)
burnt vapor
anyone know what these two do?
I think that might be for the classic weapon swap mode
short rune
7802-3766
quartz cloak
anyone know what these two do?
One changes your weapon on a long press, one does on a short press
eager pine
Wow, I landed right next to the super samples twice in a row...
velvet pollen
Whoever says EATs suck is wrong and bad. EAT is excellent.
the best part about eats is that the next one is like ninety seconds away so when the drop is balls and you're dying like cattle you're at least not out a support weapon for the next eight minutes
cobalt patrol
Maaaaaaaaay have just killed 2 teamamtes with a500kg bomb
on the toher hand, i killed the enemy base too
so really
who's winning?
Me.
I'm winning.
velvet pollen
im just impressed that you killed anything with a 500kg bomb
cobalt patrol
Oh?
it's really fucking good
Only reason i aint taking it right now is well
Defend mission
500kgs of freedom is too much for puny citizens./
jolly mortar
500kgs seems really good for dropping onto a base to clear one big space, from how my partner uses it
stark ether
the one thing that bothers me about the 500kg bomb is this is a game satirizing post 911 america and they made it a 500kg bomb
hmmm the ships are blue today
naive dragon
nice
cobalt patrol
hahaha
i just ran all the way back across the map
making it into the shuttle just in time
with 15 common samples and 8 rare
unreal merlin
gotta get those samples
cobalt patrol
Mhmm.
aint leaving that level of loot behind
it's funding my airstrike addiction.
unreal merlin
I had a shield and so got designated the Sample Carrier and people were dropping their samples for me to carry. I extracted with 39 😌
merry cosmos
the one thing that bothers me about the 500kg bomb is this is a game satirizing ...
exterminatus 500kg bomb drop
cobalt patrol
I had a shield and so got designated the Sample Carrier and people were dropping...
We gotta play together at some point
unreal merlin
level 3 upgraded eagle is so ridiculous
you don't truly need 5 cluster bombs but there it is anyway
barren iron
That sounds like bug talk
cobalt patrol
Also re: EATs, they're great on defence missions or similar where you need quanity
2 EATS kill a hulk from the front, only need 1 from behind
I just wish my fucking teamates woukldpick em up
Like i'm not brining these just for myself, use em folks
i know some of you dont have a support weapon
I SAW YOUR LOADOUTS
unreal merlin
Getting randoms to take the free stuff you're offering them is such a challenge. Yes, I called down an extra railgun just for you! Please, take this spare autocannon! looks at the hellpod and then runs past it
cobalt patrol
Nicve, we just liberated a planet
our squad's last 3 points where what pushed it over
stark ether
was solo farming while quick match was broke random friend joined in and kept hitting me with arty, is there any way to do a true private match?
red steeple
Unfriend them
stark ether
in their defense i dont think it was intentional but it was very annoying
gritty sundial
<@&1206091872716595200> Fun in the desert killing robots?
merry cosmos
you don't truly need 5 cluster bombs but there it is anyway
Dose it give you two 500kg's?
keen zinc
keen zinc
hexed steeple
<@&1206091872716595200> any divers. ike for hell not the sea or anything. a helldiver one might say
rotund marten
yeah I think solo really wants the ultrafast scout armour, a backpack shield aga...
I do not like the jump pack much, my bug build is grenade launcher, personal shield or rover drone and then two flex slots, one of which is railcannon or EATs to remove single chargers sitting on objectives.
Works very well for soloing until you encounter one of the increasingly common "whoops, all bile titans" moments on difficulty 7+
Personal shield is just absurdly good and I find it hard to give it up, even for rover
mostly because rover occasionally kills you
keen zinc
I am loving the jump pack after figuring out how to reliably jump by holding space
Lets me assault positions with my SMG and arc thrower with reckless abandon
SMG, Revolver, Arc Thrower, Jump Pack, Impact Grenades
The true STORMDIVER experience
rotund marten
I can see how it would be good for sneaking around, but the cooldown is annoyingly long and the shield is so good for just ignoring 90% of bugs
keen zinc
It's useful against the bots
Jump those walls and bunkers and shred the defenders from behind
Machine gun is also lovely
But the arc thrower is an anti-everything tool
gritty sundial
One of the helmets in the shop looks like an Inquisitor from Star Wars lmao
keen zinc
#1204832579287519292 message
gritty sundial
Ye
strange vine
40k shit
north fiber
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone for managed democracy?
oblique storm
the defense missions have not been nerfed
dusk meadow
they're possible
smokes, orb laser and mortars are key
and you've got to stay agressive and be on the buttons ASAP from round start and when they come back
oblique storm
Yeah if I have to treat the difficulty like it's 3-4 degrees higher than it is
it's still bugged
candid finch
the defend civvies missions still feel incredibly rough
keen zinc
Think they will until they are directly addressed in a patch which may be a while whilst other things take precedent
candid finch
Literally just massive tanks being dropped on top of me
And three giant hulks chasing me around
rotund marten
500kg bomb, apply directly to glacis
although I admit I think the solution there is mostly "spam EMS mortars and have at least one person on smoke and one person on shooting down dropships/hitting doors"
stuck ravine
keen zinc
GREAT GALACTIC WAR TWO
I am struggling to decide what I want to do more
Jump pack and arc thrower or recoilless rifle
Do I want to be a shocktrooper or a flexible gunner
unreal merlin
Arc Thrower's kinda neat but a little challenging to use effectively. Part of that's due to its charge rhythm and part of that's due to inconsistent hit detection.
keen zinc
I love it
unreal merlin
Like, if there's a corpse in the way you can't arc to anything behind it and sometimes terrain or foliage will prevent what looks like a clean shot.
unreal merlin
If you have good rhythm you can do Full Charge -> Half Charge -> Half Charge -> Half Charge.... to get really decent rate of fire. Prone to losing the rhythm though which if you drop it you have to do a full charge again to start it.
rotund marten
arc thrower has annoyed me with how tricky it is to use in close range against the bugulons
pretty good for bots, though
my latest hobby horse is the slugger shotgun
unreal merlin
It conveniently ignores some degree of their armor.
rotund marten
one shots devastators if you aim just right
unreal merlin
The arc I mean.
keen zinc
Yeah
My main concern is stuff like Hulks and Chargers
Recoilless is extremely useful
Or stuff like Bile Spewers
Plus it's a Gustav so like
Cool as fuck
unreal merlin
Quite honestly the solution to that is to have a friend who brought tools for those instead (or be good with your own stratagems)
keen zinc
I'm thinking of packing railcannon strike
unreal merlin
It's a really good quick fix tool but falls off in higher difficulty when there's often more than one big armor threat. The cooldown is long enough that it's an infrequent blessing rather than a consistent option
rotund marten
railcannon is the good stuff but too damn slow
for tanks and hulks I use the 500kg, but chargers and biles dodge it too well unless you can get them stuck on a rock
unreal merlin
Railcannon is easily the fastest responding stratagem though? Are you thinking of the Precision Strike instead?
rotund marten
too slow to recharge, that is
it solves one problem almost every time with no issue, but on higher difficulties it doesn't keep up with 4+ charger spawns per major fight
gusty wave
If you’re having trouble landing 500kg’s on chargers or bile titans, you can throw the stratagem when the former just finishes charging and is turning or when the latter starts opening its mouth to spew
Getting rid of chargers doesn’t usually need a stratagem though. 2 rail gun shots to the leg/1 eat or recoiless shot to the leg strips the armor and then you can finish it off with small arms fire
unreal merlin
it solves one problem almost every time with no issue, but on higher difficultie...
yeah okay, that's what I was saying just above
painfully slow recharge
but yeah chargers and bile titans are surprisingly easy to eliminate if you have a railgun and know where to shoot
keen zinc
SMG, revolver, blast resistant armor, recoilless, eagle airstrike, eagle rocket pods, eagle 500kg, impact grenades
rotund marten
railgun is great, I just like having AT stratagems because I am typically rocking grenade launcher against bugs
keen zinc
I don't like Railgun
rotund marten
best weapon for roaming and quite good in a pitched battle, but struggles with chargers unless you can spam 20 nades into the behind
keen zinc
I don't want to work I want my wife and helldivers 2
upbeat vector
Is the machine gun valid at higher diffs?
upbeat vector
Yippee
keen zinc
It destroys automaton devastators and berserkers, really only struggles against Hulks and Tanks
rotund marten
again you'll want to be bringing anti-armour in the strategem list but it murders anything else
keen zinc
You just need to remain aware of your ammo
keen zinc
Stalwart doesn't pen Devastator armor, MG does
Makes it so good for those damned rocket devastators
gusty wave
While I don’t run the machine gun myself I’m always happy when someone on my squad does
keen zinc
Also Bots can be suppressed
upbeat vector
What are Devastators?
keen zinc
Contemptor Dreadnought looking mfs
upbeat vector
Ok
keen zinc
The bigger bots with big shoulders and sometimes a shield or shoulder rocket racks
rotund marten
stalwart has the controllability to reliably hit heads, but regular MG is pretty good for Hive Guard
upbeat vector
Is there anywhere in the game it tells you the name of enemies?
keen zinc
If you ping them it shows you the name
rotund marten
press Q on them, then stop aiming and it'll tell you the name
although I haven't had time to survey every enemy
hollow plover
I learned the names by being murdered by them
unreal merlin
rotund marten
bugs have:
scavenger - tiny red thing
bile scavenger - tiny green thing
prowler - tiny jumpy thing
hunter - medium-sized jumper
warrior - Normal Bug
hive guard - orange medium-armoured plates on front legs, hunkers when shot
nursing spitter - orange, huge, spits acid
bile spitter - green, huge, spits acid more, can shoot it in a high arc as artillery
Brood commander - red, can summon warriors, can fight without head for a bit
Charger - charges, immune to bullets unless armour is stripped first
Bile Titan - you'll know it when you see it
bots have about five kinds of regular infantry but the only one you really need to differentiate is the guys with the big backpacks, who jump at you and explode when shot
everyone else is just a differently armed bot, although the rocket ones can be mean
keen zinc
Yeah
Target rocket raiders and air raiders when engaging light infantry
Target rocket devastators when engaging heavy infantry
Berserkers are extremely sturdy and hard to hit their head with how they weave while running
Apparently Rocket Devastators have weak legs
I would say in terms of mixed target priority
Anything with rockets is most crucial to kill
Because getting ragdolled by a rocket strike will get you killed almost guaranteed
So rocket raiders and rocket devastators are priority
rotund marten
the heavy devastators can be killed by shooting out the ammo backpack for their big gun, but that's still armoured
stuck ravine
Berserkers are extremely sturdy and hard to hit their head with how they weave w...
I’ve watched those bastards shrug off direct hits from a recoilless rifle, and laser cannon 
Meanwhile the big heavy stompy clankers will go down from one hit with a recoilless
Hulks on the other hand
keen zinc
They are the archetype of enemy that isn't heavily armored but extremely resilient to injury
They will keep after you with one arm and half a torso
You need to shoot their head
I've not found much success going for their legs
keen zinc
verbal summit
bugs have:
scavenger - tiny red thing
bile scavenger - tiny green thing
prowler...
Me and my friends refer to the spitters as cows cus they sound like em
keen zinc
Nice
verbal summit
bots have about five kinds of regular infantry but the only one you really need ...
Those guys are so funny they're actual fireworks.
They'll fly at you and if you hit their jetpack even once in air they'll just die
gritty sundial
I had my first bile titan today
there were two
nigh simultaneously
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
candid finch
I do not get when people put the turrets in positions that can shoot them
azure pewter
bile pilled and titan maxxing
candid finch
But I also use minefields a lot so ah well
Minefield and grenade launcher combo to just make an entire crowd disappear even if I miss
keen zinc
Minefields are insurance against the area ever being host to dissidents and tyrants ever again
supple siren
my friends have a tendency to throw turrets directly on top of bug spawns 'so they don't shoot us' and it's maddening
always gettin exploded
candid finch
I find it useful when holding down an area well, throw a minefield down in a choke and if there's pops the enemy is coming that way.
keen zinc
Turrets should go beside you and preferably on high ground
candid finch
I was partied up with someone who put minefields down where civilians were running
candid finch
I'm not sure about the gas strike. It seems like it's meant to be decent for a wider area denial but it doesn't seem to kill as well as explosions
keen zinc
Gas and napalm on a bug breach basically seals it
candid finch
I freaked out a friend by killing a factory with a grenade. None of them knew you could throw one through the vents to kill it. So they burned me for witchcraft
They had just been doing airstrikes on the buildings the entire time
One of them was level 26
keen zinc
Do they know about the cargo containers?
candid finch
What about the cargo containers?
candid finch
Huh, maybe, I didn't know that. Will have to try. Will a grenade launcher work?
lunar jetty
yeah
rapid scaffold
Driving back home today, hoping the servers will be functional enough to play tonight 😬
honest acorn
Mood
golden ledge
keen zinc
Maybe by my next weekend the server is will be sorted
barren iron
strange vine
barren iron
I realised that the Stalker cloak sucks
but
the point I think, from an evolutionary perspective, is not to become invisible
I do not register that there is a stalker even when it goes across the screen in the background because of the cloak and because I'm focused on other enemies
keen zinc
Eh it's more that it's cloak actually makes it MORE noticeable in fog and sand and such
barren iron
Eh it's more that it's cloak actually makes it MORE noticeable in fog and sand a...
Oh absolutely. It almost seems like the cloak is meant to blend in with a blue sky
I've been wondering actually, what do bugs eat
They seem almost designed for war
naive dragon
Everything
barren iron
Maybe they have an intelligent caste system i.e the brain bugs (this is very likely) that can do genetic design
barren iron
🤨
naive dragon
(Some crabs will nibble on sand to get the tiny things living or dead in and around the pebbles)
candid finch
might say more in helldivers 1
glad marsh
in helldivers 1 they were definitely a hivemind of some kind
now uh
Super earth genetically modified the crap out of them over the last century or so
merry cosmos
Super earth genetically modified the crap out of them over the last century or s...
There disconnected and weak yet somehow threaten super earth so much they need to be fully exterminated
glad marsh
there's gotta be more to this
naive dragon
What an interesting paradox that I've never seen before 🤔
steady flameBOT
didn't super earth also create the automatons
merry cosmos
didn't super earth also create the automatons
Inadvertently
stuck ravine
Apparently Asmongold and his fans are possibly attempting to try out the game today 
merry cosmos
They enslaved the cyborgs who created them and now their out for revenge
stuck ravine
…which isn’t going to help things
steady flameBOT
(also we saw a loading screen tip about immediately shooting anything that attemps diplomacy and now we want a mission where we can betray super earth 😔 )
unreal merlin
merry cosmos
Apparently Asmongold and his fans are possibly attempting to try out the game to...
Why am i not surprised
steady flameBOT
asmongold?
glad marsh
(also we saw a loading screen tip about immediately shooting anything that attem...
hmmmmmmmmmm
merry cosmos
asmongold?
The "elden ring is apolitical" guy
glad marsh
well I do know his fanbase is pretty huge
uh
they're not gonna be able to get on lmao
barren iron
(also we saw a loading screen tip about immediately shooting anything that attem...
How undemocratic of you
Do you hate freedom that much???
steady flameBOT
if you aren't doing things that get department of soical values killsquads sent after you are you even having fun
honest acorn
might say more in helldivers 1
I don’t remember a ton more but I hadn’t played for a while
I think the implication was that the bugs weren’t naturally warlike though and were responding to human aggression
barren iron
I think the problem I had with the starship troopers movie is that the bugs literally had artillery bugs
Like they were not just vibing before humans came along
They had STO plasma artillery
unreal merlin
Ah yes, grenadiers and plasma bugs
honest acorn
Tbf you can have weapons and not be warlike
glad marsh
I think the implication was that the bugs weren’t naturally warlike though and w...
yeah
humans were attempting to farm them and they really didn't like that
and then bugs got farmed anyways
steady flameBOT
wait is it the department of family values?
the number between 16 and 18, handheld catgirl fool (she/her) [sylvania] ↩️
barren iron
IM INNNNN
<@&1206091872716595200> If anyone else is in, anyone up for some helldivers?
glad marsh
I couldn't get in ;-;
barren iron
meager sandal
keen zinc
Maybe having to work is a blessing
merry cosmos
I wish this game worked
glad marsh
is anyone else just getting a black screen on startup?
tame crane
I got it a couple times, waiting a few minutes fixed it
strange vine
(also we saw a loading screen tip about immediately shooting anything that attem...
IIRC the Illuminate from the first game actually did send a peaceful diplomatic contact but Super Earth attacked first because the Illuminate "had WMDs"
steady flameBOT
this setting is just american 40k but like. damn. it makes us understand british 40k better
keen zinc
Super Earth attacked the cyborgs for being independent, the bugs for being able to be processed into oil, and the illuminate for "having WMDs"
The cyborgs became more and more depraved and extensive in their cyborging for survival
The termanids rapidly evolved to defend themselves
unreal merlin
- bugs are innocent animals
- cyborgs kind of just wanted to be left alone
- illuminate tried to be friendly but pose a threat to super earth existentially and therefore must be destroyed
The automatons are pretty fucked up though
keen zinc
Automatons I assume are the last ditch effort by the cyborgs due to population loss from the war
A self replicating military
Entirely mechanical
steady flameBOT
that said, they still do pretty human things
we once found a set of helldiver's armor on a spike outside a base once
keen zinc
Yeah the cyborgs ended up becoming pretty horrifying and brutal by the great galactic war
Super Earth made it's enemies worse through its hostility
The Automaton death camps are proof enough of that
Full of SEAF corpses in cages
It's probably safe to assume the line has been crossed and now everyone sucks because of super earth aggression
The Illuminate DID blow up Super Earth
So, y'know, everyone sucks, but it IS super earths fault it got this way
honest acorn
The Illuminate DID blow up Super Earth
Wait what?
strange vine
Automatons I assume are the last ditch effort by the cyborgs due to population l...
the automatons are fighting to free their cyborg creators from slavery by super earth iirc
keen zinc
Wait what?
Yeah if you lost a campaign in HD1 failing the defense of Super Earth you got a fun cinematic of Super Earth being blown up
And the Illuminate actually did win once because they were by far the hardest to fight
Barriers, man
keen zinc
the automatons are fighting to free their cyborg creators from slavery by super ...
I've heard that a lot but haven't seen a source
But it's not clear what endings/war results are "canon"
Since the bugs were being farmed and super earth has shield tech
It can be assumed they did succeed in defeating the bugs and begin using them for oil, and either defeated or drew against the Illuminate to gain their technology
Cyborgs were probably "democratized" but created the Automatons as a backup
Considering one of the armors is mentioned to have been deployed on Cyberstan, this seems likely
So they are enslaved/occupied
And the Automatons are either a false flag to stamp out internal dissidents with an external threat, or a back up last resort by the Cyborgs for freedom
This is of course assuming Super Earth would ever create its own enemies or purposely breed large amounts of bugs in poor containment in order to facilitate another major war
Which is of course ridiculous conspiracy talk and vehemently undemocratic
quick crown
Is there a logout timer?
because if not I'm about to leave the queue running and run out to buy some food
pullin a FFXIV Endwalker and turning the mouse jiggler on.
naive dragon
Bad and naughty queues are sentenced to the mouse jiggler
oblique storm
I've heard that a lot but haven't seen a source
Apparently it's broadcasts in-game
The news ticker
idle hollow
i think they mean the one on the ship
the automaton illegal broadcast is in binary
and the bug one, uh
isn't, surprisingly?
quick crown
Not me captain. I call the EATS down as soon as I see one
(fun fact you can just shoot the towers at a distance no need to actually go into the settlement)
stone bridge
Yeah, even a single autocannon or GL shot will do the trick
keen zinc
Damn straight
merry cosmos
pullin a FFXIV Endwalker and turning the mouse jiggler on.
How is FFXIV btw?
quick crown
:INHALE:
merry cosmos
Not good?
merry cosmos
https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-free-trial-heavensward-mmo-gif-18806832
I already played it
quick crown
its very very very good
I really like it its absorbed a signifigant part of my life and hobbies
merry cosmos
Im asking about the current state
quick crown
OH
merry cosmos
Of the game
quick crown
its fine.
Between expansions and all of the raids have been dropped so its in its coldest period of play
Pretty much getting on for Events a couple of trials and to play mahjong
merry cosmos
https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-free-trial-heavensward-mmo-gif-18806832
*lvl 70 and first 2 expansions
quick crown
ye old gif lmao
oblique lotus
Since the bugs were being farmed and super earth has shield tech
fwiw super earth had shields in HD1 too
two flavors of shield pack
keen zinc
Yeah but they've definitely improved a lot
tardy onyx
I finally got in!
keen zinc
It's meta because armor don't work
Once armor is fixed it'll probably be more of a preference pick
stone bridge
^
idle hollow
Oh right true
It’s still very nice to be able to survive overcharging the railgun, standing on land mines, getting hit by a rocket
keen zinc
We don't know how effective heavy armor is when it works
If it makes you a tanky mighty man then it might become the new thing
stone bridge
It was really quite effective in HD1 vs smaller things
honest acorn
Honestly "the armor stat is fake you might as well be wearing a fashy tshirt" is a phenomenal mechanic if it wasn't a bug
meager saffron
LMFAO
gritty sundial
lmao
meager saffron
honestly my favourite lore mechanic is the fact that you get slowed to a crawl by walking through leaves
upbeat vector
honestly my favourite lore mechanic is the fact that you get slowed to a crawl b...
Oh?
strange vine
this thumbnail is good
meager saffron
yeah you just slow to like
1m/hour because your guy is waving his hand in front of his face like a dipshit
keen zinc
You've never had to march through foliage in full battle rattle
Them branches are grippy mfs
Always hooking into pouches and straps
daring monolith
I feel like the liberator AP is held back by a lack of damage
like, it can pierce some heavier armour. but if it doesn't do damage past it it feels somewhat worthless?
gritty sundial
<@&1206091872716595200> damaged memocracy in Activity 2
keen zinc
leftism leaving peoples bodies when they realize they have to let people have weekends off and not work 12+ hours for the sake of their leisure activity
meager sandal
Playing Helldivers 2 is clearly a bourgeois activity and must be redistributed to the proletariat (me and my friends)
cerulean sluice
stuck in queue
keen zinc
i got home and got in very quickly
hollow plover
I got in as soon as I got in
stuck ravine
So uhh...your PS5 falling asleep does not boot you out of the game
feel like that may cause an issue at some point
gritty sundial
I got in!!
Wanna join our crew?
keen zinc
<@&1206091872716595200> gamers
misc is going to bed like a coward dissident
we need reinforcements
upbeat vector
Sure!
jolly mortar
I can boot up in a sec here
if the game lets me in
Narrator: the game is not letting her in
stone bridge
gritty sundial
oof
keen zinc
we need two more for any real patriots out there
honest acorn
I’ll be on tomorrow at some point but the servers have been p mean
jolly mortar
I resign myself to not getting in soon and stand up to go do dishes or something and I hear the sound of the crypods rattling on my headphones that very second
I can join in like a few minutes then, I at least wanna unload the dishwasher
okay. my friend code is #2544-6677
gritty sundial
okay. my friend code is #2544-6677
Sorry we didn’t see, copying and inviting now
jolly mortar
mmk
gritty sundial
You wanna join vc or nah?
jolly mortar
I can yeah i was just waiting cause I didn't wanna presume and butt in
gritty sundial
np np
jolly mortar
wait joined on the wrong computer LOL
gritty sundial
lmao
oblique storm
If you need help getting in
apparently if you get to the main menu and join off friends
that helps
gritty sundial
Pog we have a spot
sour falcon
That’s what I’ve found, if you join off an invite you get right in.
knotty folio
Finally got the game working on my system, waited for the server queue, started the tutorial, tweaked a setting... and crashed 🙃
Perhaps I should wait to do anything with the settings until a less busy time
meager saffron
NOOOOOO
oblique lotus
lol
unkempt river
<@&1206091872716595200> o7 Soldiers! Democracy never sleeps, and neither should you.
stone bridge
Lmfaoo
unkempt river
(this is an invite to play, for clarification)
dusk meadow
I apologise, but I am a child over the age of 7 and therefore I am working today to help against the automation menace and so cannot join the liberation effort today
knotty folio
I'm still fighting the robots (trying to get the game to work without crashing my graphics stack)
cobalt wing
a daunting task
stone bridge
I may be able to join a bit later
jolly mortar
likewise. I'm busy elsewhere (making baby's first custom retrograde sprite) but i should be round for a few rounds later
verbal summit
My fren can be trusted with a flamethrower
unreal merlin
Doing difficulty 8 bug missions, arc thrower kinda rocks a lot harder than I expected it to
dusk meadow
Doing difficulty 8 bug missions, arc thrower kinda rocks a lot harder than I exp...
just hope nobody stands in front of you
or behind you
or near you
idle hollow
i wish they would give us "loadouts" for orbitals
I just want full ass load outs
dusk meadow
because that lightning hungers for human flesh, I've seen it leap past a horde of bugs just to zap a fellow helldiver
idle hollow
armour weapons strats and booster
rotund marten
stone bridge
lmfao
unreal merlin
just hope nobody stands in front of you
I don't need to hope, I just have trigger discipline (and a team that understands how to form a firing line instead of running into a chaotic mosh pit)
unkempt river
Jesus I'm getting slaughtered out here
stone bridge
What difficulty?
unkempt river
Just 2, but running solo, no dog, and only 1 sentry strat
I need a better solo anti-armor option.
ATM, to punch through any armored bug, I have to either kite it or hit it with the recoiless
which is not an ideal solo support weapon
stone bridge
The only heavy armour bugs are Chargers, though
On diff 2
And they're rare at best
unkempt river
They show up often enough to pain me at diff 3
generally 1-2 a mission, at least, of the ones I did
oh! I have enough finally. How does the Laser do against light-to-medium bugs?
dusk meadow
I don't need to hope, I just have trigger discipline (and a team that understand...
where can one learn this arcane knowledge?
stone bridge
oh! I have enough finally. How does the Laser do against light-to-medium bugs?
The Laser Cannon?
unkempt river
yeah
stone bridge
It's apparently like, the one bad Support weapon
don't bother, take the Stalwart or MG instead
unkempt river
oof. Oh well. Gatling Sentry it is
dusk meadow
dakka
unkempt river
Oh, I'm v close to nade launcher, nvm
meager saffron
i think the fact that it just Dies against armor is a huge strike against the laser
dusk meadow
I wish it would get progressively more AP the longer it hits a target
stark ether
Give it a mechanic that it can heat armor plates to either melt them and or have the plate itself start dealing damage over time
unreal merlin
Yeah the laser cannon is just so easily shut down by any amount of armor
unkempt river
Which is, from my experience, waht support weapons are meant to deal with
Anyone up for some games yet? or still busy?
unreal merlin
where can one learn this arcane knowledge?
You must unzoom your eyes and get out of tunnel vision and feel out just what exactly the arc habits are.
verbal summit
because that lightning hungers for human flesh, I've seen it leap past a horde o...
I've been on the receiving end of those arcs a lot
daring monolith
stone bridge
yes!
unkempt river
196368559
hollow plover
broken pulsar
Yo, how do people feel about the escort missions? Do you guys find them fun or not. If you can why?
stark ether
they are mid at the levels i can play (i have a difficulty progression bug) the key to beating them is to not value human life and just hit the doors as fast as you can
broken pulsar
I get how to beat them, but i don't find them fun
stark ether
yeah same
broken pulsar
It's probably my only complaint with the game because it feels against core gameplay
Kinda like mat gathering quests in mh games
broken pulsar
Weird
stone bridge
Yeah this is 100% a weird holdover they're hopefully gonna fix once armour rating gets patched
Also, for all my Autocannon afficiandios:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHZd8dGK0vQ
short rune
Is matchmaking fixed by now?
jolly mortar
I'm not sure. It briefly popped me into one earlier, but I backed out to join the current squad going in ips-n
short rune
I see
hexed steeple
where do you get that one it looks cool as hell
jolly mortar
it's in the back half of the free battlepass iirc
hexed steeple
lets goo
verbal summit
Also, for all my Autocannon afficiandios:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHZd8...
Why tactical when can this
stark ether
democracy
stark ether
for anyone looking to level super fast i think i've found a really good method thats solo and low level friendly and that should net 2k+ xp/hr including load times and all the cutscene faff you want to do trivial "terminate illegal broadcast" missions thats this icon.
drop directly on the main objective and clear immediate hostiles to prevent a wave spawn. then call down a backpack weapon sentry or resupply so it hits this top ring of the tower, this finishes the main objective you can then run to extract. As a note there are usually 2-5 common samples around the main objective area and usually 1-3 around extract
hexed steeple
<@&1206091872716595200> there's hell to be dived. in hell.
gritty sundial
<@&1206091872716595200> there's hell to be dived. in hell.
which chat lemme see if I can get in lol
keen zinc
Apparently launching via a steam invite gets you in faster?
gritty sundial
Well either way I instantly got in dabs
<@&1206091872716595200> Let's be that dril meme
vestal trail
keen zinc
If God had wanted those bugs to live he would not have created ME.
stray tide
@hexed steeple
The way this chat showed up in my discord was so funny
They chatting about Ashley in the helldive :3
hexed steeple
lmao
hollow plover
Ashley and her Ashlies
lunar jetty
For a game experiencing player overload it sure takes long to find a lobby with Quickplay
idle hollow
that's because that's also broken
stark ether
i think one of the things they did to lower overhead in order to get more people in also broke quickplay for some fraction of the playerbase
gritty sundial
<@&1206091872716595200> Diff 5 shenaniganery?
keen zinc
For a game experiencing player overload it sure takes long to find a lobby with ...
This is why we squad up here
keen zinc
Eyy patch tomorrow
hexed steeple
:o
keen zinc
Fingers crossed for afk timer and login queue
Wont stop me from trying to play when I get home tonight
short rune
I see a reaver enjoyer?
supple siren
Okay nevermind. I wait for the patch tomorow.
Just tried a rank 5, i am wounded emotionally
'just two hulks, ok'
'just five hulks, ok'
'just seven-'
keen zinc
You need to kill Hulks asap
As they will create a zone of no go around them and force you out of good positions long enough for all the fodder to start calling in MORE drops and then it's a cascade
Hulks create an environment of fear that protects the other bots due to Helldivers needing to avoid them
This opens up the troopers for calling in drops
copper crest
Just spam airburst and cluster bombs until there's nothing BUT armored targets, trooper problem solved
keen zinc
Now this is thinking with Brasch Tactics
rotund marten
railgun, autocannon and AMR are the good stuff for bots
keen zinc
rotund marten
I also like the slugger but it can't hurt hulks
keen zinc
Yeah but someone needs to clear chaff
rotund marten
just smashes up devs
keen zinc
You can't be ALL anti-large because then you'll have non-stop bot drops
Since it's the damn commissars constantly calling in drops
rotund marten
with Eagle 3 you can run enough napalm, cluster and basic-strike to sweep most of the waves, you get a disgusting number of airstrikes
but one guy on GL is great
keen zinc
Machine gun too
Can sweep aside waves of troopers and concentrate fire on devs to destroy them
rotund marten
I am a GL addict, I am pretty sure there's a shot that bounces under chargers and hits the belly
because I can kill those sometimes
need to practice
true smelt
Just saw this in game and I'm wondering just how many people don't realize that this game is satire lol
honest acorn
It's the counterpoint to satire requiring clarity of purpose, you can't make a satire so clear that MFs can't misunderstand it with enough media illiteracy or just liking that kind of society haha
merry cosmos
Just saw this in game and I'm wondering just how many people don't realize that ...
I honestly thought people would be trying to sell helldivers 2 has a "criticism of wokeness"
Surprised i haven't seen that
keen zinc
How long until they start running mental laps to try and call super earth communist
cerulean sluice
anyone wanna dive? Queues are short rn
honest acorn
I'm down in half an hour!
merry cosmos
How long until they start running mental laps to try and call super earth commun...
Bold of you to assume they even know what that word means
gritty sundial
railgun, autocannon and AMR are the good stuff for bots
I'm doing my part. Doing it by two-shotting hulks in the face with the AMR
keen zinc
One of these days people are gonna discover you can kill a bile titan by shooting it up the nostril with the AMR or some shit
gritty sundial
One of these days people are gonna discover you can kill a bile titan by shootin...
And I will hit that shot for you every damned time
keen zinc
For me 
supple siren
I'm a fan, it's like the older sibling of the machine pistol
Need more offhand tools though
keen zinc
I love how the Defender performs
honest acorn
I'm really shocked how good the defender is
honest acorn
Oh huh I didn't realize it had a side mag
keen zinc
I've been trying out the Scythe and enjoying it
meager saffron
is the defender the SMG
stone bridge
The Knight has cracked DPS but chews through ammo - like AIM said, pretty much a primary Redeemer
keen zinc
Not sure if it's gonna take over from the Defender tho
I love being able to just shred stuff close up
stone bridge
is the defender the SMG
Yeah, the slow firing high damage one
keen zinc
My preferred play style is highly aggressive close quarters
Impact grenades, SMG, jump pack
keen zinc
Machine gun + Jump pack is so fucking good dude
honest acorn
I'm glad the MG is good
keen zinc
Just fly behind a Bot bunker and shred every defender in a 100 round burst
honest acorn
It's such a satisfying weapon
meager saffron
brrrrrrttttt
keen zinc
Chuggachuggachunk
Also it's slow traverse is actually super clutch for sweeping groups of swarming enemies
It can also kill devastators and you have impact grenades for anything else, you just can't tackle super heavy armor
But that's what comrades and offensive strategems are for
But jump pack and MG is taking two stratagem slots so
I struggle to make the other two cover well
Eagle Airstrike is of course a good choice
Probably Eagle Airstrike and something else based on the enemy
stone bridge
110m rockets + strafing run is my preferred loadout there
keen zinc
Strafing run?
Really?
I was thinking Airstrike and 110mm rockets
At least against bots
Maybe Airstrike and Cluster/Napalm against Bugs
Also maybe Arc Thrower instead of MG if I'm feeling spicy
Can't friendly fire if I am jumping into the enemy whilst everyone else is taking cover
stuck ravine
I have the big ass eagle bomb
My friends of course, have no need to worry about me having this
keen zinc
I was using it but I dropped it on a few hulks yesterday and didn't kill so
Not impressed
It's radius is too dinky for the chaos of assault operations
cerulean sluice
honestly the Orbital Prescision does 500kg things but without affecting Eagle cooldowns
keen zinc
True
Orbital Precision is really good
Jump pack, MG, eagle airstrike, orbital precision strike
Like a brand new diver with a jetpack
It's cool a lot of the early stuff doesn't become ineffective over time
Airstrike and precision strike are both consistently good
meager saffron
eagle is just goated in general
honest acorn
I really like gas, more than I expected to
stone bridge
Strafing run?
Strafing Run is only three inputs, comes out extremely fast and goes perfectly dead ahead while still covering a good width
stone bridge
Yyes it does? It'll kill everything it hits up to Devastators which will be on the verge of being blown up
cerulean sluice
there's a lot of things that do mass adclear - airburst, gatling, gas. Best thing it has going for it is speed it can be deployed
keen zinc
Yeah but most enemies don't come at you in columns
They come in waves and firing lines
Cluster seems just better
stone bridge
The width is more than good enough to kill spread out targets
keen zinc
Cluster does have a longer command but it's easy
keen zinc
I'll try it
And you will be reported to my local democracy officer if it fails to perform to your impressment
I guess the speed could be nice to rapidly suppress loads of bots
And then airstrike whatever is left
Fuck this just makes me want to play more
Curse working
stone bridge
https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-hell-divers-servers-at-capacity-full-queue-dem...
If you join directly off a friend, that can bypass it
honest acorn
Nope that’s a steam trick
honest acorn
We just suffer in PSN land
honest acorn
Glogin Lneverends
hollow plover
Gserver Lfull
keen zinc
The patch tomorrow will fix everything!
Everyone stop playing and wait for it
I'll keep playing for the sake of reference
lunar jetty
Aside from the technical issues, having your online game wildly overperform must put huge stress on the team
honest acorn
Yeah
lunar jetty
It's not like BG3 where you can drop a game and then just bugfix, in the current environment you have to be supplying new content fairly regularly
even it it's just modifiers or something
jolly mortar
that's a bit what worries me, is that their content cycle seems really rapid for how quickly the game's grown.
oblique lotus
I suspect that they've got a lot of content already made that just isn't available to players yet
i.e. there's a bunch of primary secondary and grenades that clearly exist because the armory says there should be 10 sidearms and 29 primaries but we don't have access to
jolly mortar
makes sense
may get sony to throw them more money to hire on more people and develop more stuff
unreal merlin
hot meadow
my biggest concern seems partially borne out by the recent news
ie that the scaling issues are actually fairly deeply baked in
stone bridge
What scaling issues, exactly?
lunar jetty
In some cases, you can just buy more racks on a server farm, deploy your shit and be golden
(this is how Amazon makes like 10% of their money)
the problems start when you require good servers, did not anticipate having to secure them on such short notice, or cannot afford to
upbeat vector
I don't think cannot afford to is the problem, but needing good servers on such short notice is something you probably can't just do
honest acorn
Yeah CDNs are complicated
stone bridge
Love to shard
lunar jetty
I wish I remembered more from my AWS certification 🙃
Is the world state shared across regions and platforms? This might be a huge issue if I had to pick one
meager saffron
apparently one of the big blockers is that there's not an AFK kick on playstation
honest acorn
Yeah it’s really annoying
meager saffron
so there are a ton of users who are just asleep
honest acorn
I run into a lot of “ghost ships” when I manage to get on and join people
meager saffron
but also eating the queue
hollow plover
and people choose to stay so they don't have to face the queue again
glad marsh
Hm
Wait a minute
Are we, helldivers, effectively conscript level infantry?
How am I just realizing this now
lunar jetty
Yes, but you also get a personal FTL-capable ship
supple siren
I'm preeeetty sure Brasch says we're the pride of humanity
lunar jetty
don't think about it too hard
honest acorn
Hm
Wait a minute
Are we, helldivers, effectively conscript level infantry?
No they’re a cut above SEAF blueshirts
lunar jetty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OnoxKotPQ
I hate that this makes sense to me
honest acorn
But not like… anywhere near as important as the propaganda says
keen zinc
No no you see we are both more important and more expendable than normal soldiers
unreal merlin
Poor SEAF goons with break-action shotguns to fend off the bug swarms.
keen zinc
We are effectively ablative weapons
lunar jetty
Stop thinking about it before it's too late
keen zinc
Using high power equipment well beyond our ability to use safely
Because unlike normal soldiers, mortuary affairs for helldivers is "send in the next one"
honest acorn
Poor SEAF goons with break-action shotguns to fend off the bug swarms.
I think those are weapons for the colonists
But the cages full of blue uniform corpses you get on bot planets are SEAF I think
dusk meadow
I cannot believe we're back on fucking Draupnir
keen zinc
Why invest a load of training into the shocktroops you are are going to slam directly into combat with extremely potent and dangerous supporting weapons and probably kill themselves and the enemy.
dusk meadow
we just got it back ffs
keen zinc
Helldivers are taught how to call in strategems and the basics on who to shoot and how to push button
It's all they are needed to do
Living is optional
stray tide
keen zinc
From npc dialogue and text logs, SEAF personnel have pay, leave, rec time, letter and communication services, etc
And have compensation systems for their survivors if they die
unreal merlin
dusk meadow
Join the Helldivers, be a hero and don't cost super earth a single democratic credit after your unfortunate demise
keen zinc
They put your name on a wall
But you are also kept in a freezer for who knows how long
You definitely aren't getting mail from home or convalescence or anything
You are fodder with nuclear strike clearance
stray tide
My stealth theory is that you’re literally clones
keen zinc
Is this an efficient use of manpower or resources? No. But it is effective, and Super Earth has MORE than enough of the former.
stray tide
Super Earth never figured out cryonics, they just figured out flash cloning
keen zinc
My stealth theory is that you’re literally clones
Nah, the intro literally has text about recruits are just very patriotic teenagers and their survival rates are considered "Production"
Helldiver Production having Quotas
Joining the Helldivers is effectively signing up for Super Earth to decide where and when you die, and your family just knows you died a hero and that is compensation enough.
stray tide
Nooo you see,
keen zinc
I imagine having a family member join the Helldivers is just receiving their mortuary letter up front and going on with your life as if they were dead.
stray tide
That’s the survival rate for the procedure to upload your brain scan and genetic data 
It’s all smoke and mirrors
:p
keen zinc
stray tide
Source: I made it the fuck up
keen zinc
But we literally see hundreds of rockets loaded with hundreds of individually produced and frozen Helldivers leaving Mars
And there are THOUSANDS of Helldiver training facilities
And the training rotations are literally DAILY
If not faster
The fact they are kept frozen indefinitely and likely have been being constantly produced for a century at least
More than enough to expend without a care
They are literally just loaded into a giant bullet with retro thrusters and shot into combat
Hell, Helldiver training has literally gotten twice the fatality rate as it did a century ago, and is MARKEDLY less tech intensive.
In HD1 the facility had a 11% fatality rate, HD2 it's like 26% iirc
And it's cardboard cutouts and bugs and basic turrets instead of robots and holograms
They replaced the hellbomb section with inputting the code to be able to plant a flag
It is remarkably cheaper and more scalable than it was for the first galactic war
keen zinc
They been OPTIMIZING this shit
And not for survival
But for cost and production quantity
In HD1 the injury training was getting electrocuted by the training robot, in HD2 it's just getting stabbed with a piston driven spike
Holodivers replaced with literal plywood cutouts
Helldivers are the cheapest part of Helldiver missions, it's the super destroyer and the stratagems that are expensive, but the Helldiver itself is effectively just a bullet chambered from an incredibly long magazine belt
Which makes the cryopods and hellpods all the better
The cryopods are cartridges, the hellpods are bullets
glad marsh
Ehehe
keen zinc
It's so beautifully horrific
glad marsh
I like being a bullet, personally
keen zinc
Same bro
I imagine some big wig officer is trying to pitch an idea of just connecting the hellpods to the cryopods and just firing them straight from the storage racks
You get thawed, dropped into the pod, then fired
But I suppose they need to have the area for equipment and briefing and stuff
