yeah
#Helldivers 2: For Managed Democracy!
honest acorn
golden ledge
Also 50% exp and requisition this weekend
rotund marten
I splashed out for one of the cash shop armour sets so I'm still 340 super credits away from the premium warbond
but that's surprisingly little gameplay when you can frequently find 10-30 per mission
keen zinc
I literally bought the premium warband and most of the superstore stuff for free
Just by soloing challenging missions collecting gubbins
The new battle helmet is very cool
honest acorn
Yeah its very characterful that your divers are either like enthusiastically confident or terrified
honest acorn
interesting
keen zinc
Yeah its very characterful that your divers are either like enthusiastically con...
[in tears]R-REINFORCING!
north fiber
Apparently smoke IS a secret sauce against the Bots
hmmm, actually not too surprsied
it seems like a very faction specific upgrade
keen zinc
What gets you killed by bots? Being unable to get around them big boys or getting hit by rockets.
Smoke solves this by forcing them to lose track of you
Mortars and EMS mortars can destroy most things
So I'm thinking... Recoilless rifle, eagle smoke strike, EMS mortar, and either mortar sentry or autocannon sentry
Maybe EMS orbital and eagle strike?
Idk
north fiber
I think EMS orbital and mortar over the striker
Strikes are perfect for the more mobile hit and run style of a normal mission
But for Defense the constant output of the emplacements is ideal
gritty sundial
I’m glad the AMR is a good choice against bots
dusk meadow
Yo! Anyone want to play a few rounds?
short rune
Marksman drip
dusk meadow
We've got 2 open spots
short rune
May join
barren iron
arrowhead's quote on their website is "A game made for everyone is a game made for no one."
and honestly I fw it
gritty sundial
Marksman drip
What chest piece is that?
keen zinc
Those damned clankers are gonna pay for every democratic life they have so tyrannically ended
stuck ravine
Fucking Christ, it is unnerving in evac when you turn and just see a bunch of red lights in the treeline.
meager sandal
oh god the trees are speaking binary
stuck ravine
oh god the trees are speaking binary
I was already freaking out when I turned around to see one of my friends had not noticed I had released some civvies, so she called down a strike from the ship's autoguns (not the big boom orbital strike) and just gunned down all three. Barely scratched the big heavy armored clankers. And then later there were just so much fucking red lights in the tree line
gritty sundial
I have just come up with a ship name that I am sad you can't pick even tho it makes perfect sense with the game's tone
The SES Walk Backward
gritty sundial
ah
hexed steeple
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone game for hell diving. the practice of diving into hell
keen zinc
feeling swagadocious ngl
keen zinc
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone game for hell diving. the practice of diving into...
i am ready to fight
hexed steeple
i'll be in activity 1
keen zinc
we need a fourth for great democracy
keen zinc
We still need a fourth for great democracy
strange vine
i need this helmet to be real
https://vxtwitter.com/OhJeezItsTekona/status/1758483870628876435?s=20
golden ledge
vestal trail
Man, I hate it when I'm doing some level 3 solo relax farms and I run across three Friend Doors in the same mission
jolly mortar
I have to say, this game might be one of the most justified use cases for friendly fire I've ever seen
because it's fucking hysterical
keen zinc
<@&1206091872716595200> we need reinforcements
honest acorn
I think the funniest Helldivers Moment so far for me was getting knocked over by a Raider while priming a gas strike and taking 31 bots with me since I couldn't run away fast enough
I uh
Didn't know there were that many near me
jolly mortar
I think the funniest I've seen so far are either when I killed a teammate standing too close to me while I opened up with a flamethrower, or when I watched another one walk straight into an active minefield 'because he wanted to find out'
vestal trail
Helldivers 2 well and truly channels the spirit of this image
keen zinc
we just got the fourth
hexed steeple
my favorite one so far was a teammate diving in front of a recoilless shot aimed for a charger
vestal trail
I think the funniest Helldivers Moment so far for me was getting knocked over by...
Literally had a friend two nights ago distract like 40 bots while the rest of the team ran to extract, ending it all by running at a tank while cooking a grenade
keen zinc
steam is ded
jolly mortar
wait no I forgot my second mission ever where the evac bird came in and incinerated a teammate standing right where the thruster wound up stopping
vestal trail
wait no I forgot my second mission ever where the evac bird came in and incinera...
I've been that guy! Twice even!
jolly mortar
I was laughing too hard to be the one to call in the reinforcement pod
verbal summit
<@&1206091872716595200> anyone need another diver?
honest acorn
I had the evac chopper land on my head once
But I didn't die and just had to dive off a cliff and run back around
vestal trail
The first time it happened to me I was surprised that the drop ship now had at least three distinct ways to kill me: splat, cook, and shoot
jolly mortar
I think the only one I've died to so far was someone accidentally set off a gas pocket while I was standing directly next to it
wait no. multiple sentry deaths.
verbal summit
I've did this thing 3 times now at extract with limited reinforcements where I'm about to throw my Eagle cluster and then I get staggered and drop the beacon on the floor
And we all die
jolly mortar
oops
verbal summit
One time my fren shot a rocket near me which knocked me up 40m into the sky and dropped the Eagle cluster on ud
It killed all and we all respawned except him cus we ran out of reinforcements.
jolly mortar
I did actually nail a teammate with an eagle cluster because I was so excited to use it for the first time I called one down on a light nest right as they were running towards it to chuck a grenade in
the neuron activation from big boom so quickly overwrites common sense and self-preservation
oblique lotus
I think the funniest Helldivers Moment so far for me was getting knocked over by...
"oh hey a hellbomb"
my team: "don't you fucking da-
honest acorn
I like how you can arm hellbombs with gunfire
north fiber
We once got seperated from the party by a Bile Titan then managed to kite around it to start running back to our party
oblique lotus
I like how you can arm hellbombs with gunfire
I don't think it's arming so much as breaking duds in such a way that they explode
since they're already in the detonating pose just kinda stuck
north fiber
As we ran we realized we had way too much shit behind us to be reasonable to fight. We then noticed a Hellbomb. Super Earth didn't raise no coward.
candid finch
Hello
I have just purchased the hell diving 2
I look forward to a long and healthy career
honest acorn
welcome to hell
jolly mortar
you will live a (short) time
barren iron
I look forward to a long and healthy career
it will be short and deadly
candid finch
awwww heck
keen zinc
<@&1206091872716595200> two more needed for spreading democraqcy
thorn inlet
Does cloning canonically exist in the Helldivers universe?
stone bridge
not as far as I know
jolly mortar
I honestly assumed it was just a Militarum situation
barren iron
My friend had a very interesting idea to let players have a selection of outfits that get randomly/semi randomly cycled through when you die
jolly mortar
that would be funny I think
barren iron
Also to let you have random body type
Also idk if anyone noticed by helldivers have like a 23% survival rating
You also get 5 reinforces before you have reinforcement cooldown
Meaning literally roughly 1/5 helldivers survive each mission
amber hatch
My assumption is that you're less customizing a character so much as you're customizing a unit, which the random voices option emphasizes
oblique storm
Every time you load in you cycle through all the helldivers on your ship
That are frozen
barren iron
Yeah
oblique storm
The helldover unthawed is in charge
But dies immediately
The actual logistics of this make no fucking sense but I think that's the point
barren iron
They make no sense because I am immediately asking why they dont deploy all the helldivers at once
Rather than 1/ship at a time
oblique storm
One ship can only support one helldiver with strategies at a time
And that's the super earth way
barren iron
Then they can be helldiver prime and the other helldivers can still shoot people
I want missions with SEAF grunts you fight alongside
I want to recruit them like halo marines with an even shorter lifespan
I like to imagine helldivers get to make last meal requests
And eat them before getting cryo frozen
copper crest
Then they can be helldiver prime and the other helldivers can still shoot people
They kept having issues with helldivers secundus shooting the prime so they can become the new prime
Also a gaggle of infantry looks way less heroic in the propo reels
jolly mortar
The helldover unthawed is in charge
honestly I sort of figured that it's just super earth propaganda that you're in charge of the ship, when you're clearly just a hyper-disposable grunt to be fired planetside and the personnel standing around are who actually run the ship
they just tell you that you're in charge because you're mankinds specialest little soldier person, go get em champ
least that's the vibe I got from the tutorial mission, is that they brainwash the hell out of their soldiers and make them feel like God's Gift To Military Action so they'll fight like they're the biggest badass around
barren iron
they just *tell* you that you're in charge because you're mankinds specialest li...
I mean, you literally tell them where to go and what to do. You are genuinely in charge.
Even if you dont do any of the logistics
Thats not something a hero does
jolly mortar
right like, kind of what I mean. it feels like the helldiver is nominally in charge in that there's targets on a map, and they go pick one. the actual running of the ship doesn't seem like it's their business.
barren iron
The helldiver is a big picture thinker you see
Aso to be fair to them helldivers are well trained
jolly mortar
lotta words to say i find it really deeply amusing how the brass hypes you up as this military hero and tactical genius leader when you're just some well-trained dickhead that gets rocketed to planets in a metal tube
barren iron
I mean thats what all special forces are if you think about it
jolly mortar
It's very deliberately making fun of that yeah, it's the sheer exaggeration of it that keeps making me laugh
candid finch
I need to at least run through the first mission before I can join I think
but thank you
candid finch
well, being alone on that mission sucked. specially since they were like "hey escort this" and I was like "cool, how?" and they killed me. Which is like... the point, but ow
steady flameBOT
anyone have an open squad?
rotund marten
Leika, did you run the bot civilian defence as your first mission?
I can start a squad with us three in a minute, actually
let me get a drink
steady flameBOT
gritty sundial
I’m at work so I can’t join 
vestal trail
lotta words to say i find it really deeply amusing how the brass hypes you up as...
I like to imagine that my Helldiver was told that they'd get cloned to keep fighting for Democracy and doesn't care that each subsequent body they get loaded into is functionally an entirely new person different from how they started, because Liberty
verbal knot
let me get a drink
If you got some space this mission I'm on is not going to end well
sweet surge
candid finch
Leika, did you run the bot civilian defence as your first mission?
Yes but then I stood there not sure how to get people out of their homes to defend them
and what is a bile spewer?
oblique storm
Green goop bugs
rotund marten
and what is a bile spewer?
Green spitter bugs from diff. 5+, very big and obvious. if you want to play, Leika, we're just starting in the next couple of minutes.
the bot civilian evacuation is the hardest mission type in the game by an absurd margin, I know a guy who normally plays on Haz 9 and had to go all the way down to 4
stone bridge
The spawns are very glitched rn
golden ledge
Humm...interesting stratagem
quick crown
do you need to get the big buy to play that Stratagem hero?
oblique storm
Nope
oblique lotus
I think you need to be on a super citizen ship to have a working one
vestal trail
do you need to get the big buy to play that Stratagem hero?
It's from the Deluxe Edition, for some reason
strange vine
I like how you can arm hellbombs with gunfire
in the diff 8 mission my friends and i were doing one of my friends kept killing bile titans by detonating the defective hellbombs around the map
stray tide
The 500kg bomb works now
hallow gorge
? Like it's consistent damage?
stone bridge
Is that in the patch?
stray tide
Oh no I just know it like
Actually destroys structures now at least
Which it didn’t before
stone bridge
Nice
stray tide
also
do yall know if armor is fixed yet?
cause they didn't put it in the ongoing issues section of the recent patch
stone bridge
do yall know if armor is fixed yet?
pretty sure it isn't
stone bridge
same
candid finch
servers must have gone down
Also it took me ages to realize you had to throw grenades into the vents on the buildings to blow up the robot spawners
stone bridge
yup!
keen zinc
let me log in
honest acorn
Yeah I'm glad someone told me that early
stone bridge
you can also arc grenade launcher shots in, or ricochet autocannon rounds to blow em up
honest acorn
You know what else works on robot spawners?
keen zinc
AIRSTRIKE
honest acorn
Dropping a dropship on them
candid finch
I have question. What works on the giant fuck off tanks that is horribly violent?
stone bridge
The automaton Annihilator Tanks?
stark ether
i'm guessing the 500 kg bombs?
stone bridge
500kg bombs, precision strikes, 110mm rocket pods, pretty much all the usual AT suspects
Tanks are also extremely susceptible to flanking
keen zinc
smoke them, run behind, shoot glowing vents
stone bridge
since the heatsink on the back of the turret is vulnerable to explosives
keen zinc
and the amr
honest acorn
I've not tried this myself but I've heard that 2 impact grenades to the heatsinks kills them
oblique lotus
rocket pods are good
stone bridge
the AMR too, yeah, but explosives deal full damage to "big" weak spots like that
oblique lotus
fast call in and unlike the 500kg or the railcannon you get two
railcannon is a consistent oneshot
does the 500kg kill tanks now?
candid finch
It does seem I did the worst thing and had my first mission on the civilian escort and exploded and died really hard
But now regular fights are a ton simpler
Also I joined some randos and boy howdy did it feel right back in xbox live
rotund marten
you can also arc grenade launcher shots in, or ricochet autocannon rounds to blo...
grenade launcher is really annoying to hit those with, I much prefer getting up to the edge of those bases and throwing in airstrikes to storming them through the mines and the MGs
bugs are the opposite, it's easy to get in with grenades and hard to get all the holes with call-ins
gritty sundial
ye I'm using the gl with p much every bug mission from now on
for that reason
plus fuck whatever the orange spitters are
just double tap with the gl
rotund marten
I adore the GL, it's pretty much my signature weapon
works on bugs, works on most of the robits although the railgun is pretty great there
autocannon can also close the bug holes
the 500KG bomb is ideal for tanks because they're fat and slow and easy to hit, chargers and biotitans tend to dodge it becuase the AOE is titchy
so I think I won't be bringing it for bugs any longer
not sure if there's any call-in more useful for charger spam than just spamming EAT everywhere
rotund marten
I have killed chargers with Eagle Airstrike but you need a direct hit and they don't sit still long enough unless they get stuck on a rock
in which case it doesn't really matter
so it's pretty much expendable AT, railcannon, orbital laser, not sure what else
stone bridge
so it's pretty much expendable AT, railcannon, orbital laser, not sure what else
110mm rockets'll do
rotund marten
I never managed to get them to lock on nicely
but I do have a ton of Eagle now
eagle strike and 110s might not be bad
stone bridge
They do track but they do badly against really quick targets
And chargers are shockingly fast at full tilt
Best to throw them down once they've bonked a wall or something
oblique lotus
also it's not a super consistent kill ime
stone bridge
It'll rarely one shot them, but it'll always rip open the shell to make a super weak point on a hit
after that its 2 Autocannon shots or ~10 breaker rounds and you're done
south temple
“login limit reached” is my sisyphean rock istg
unreal merlin
The trick for using 110mm's vs Chargers is to essentially matator them by running around them to the side and immediately dropping the beacon. That way by the time they stop moving and are turning around the rockets are inbound and can land a direct hit. Disclaimer: it does take TWO 110MM ROCKET STRATAGEMS to kill a Charger from full health.
jolly mortar
I got in. FWIW, there's a bug with rewards not dispensing right too, think it's cause of the server load. logging out and back in fixes it, and you get the stuff you were missing.
unreal merlin
110's are mad good versus automaton outposts though as you can precisely destroy any assemblers from outside the walls. Also works great on tanks!
For bugs, railcannon is more useful in executing the occasional heavy target (chargers or bile titans), though its cooldown means that if you're utterly swamped in heavy armor it's not gonna do you much good.
rapid scaffold
Oh god it's so much harder to play Helldivers on the steamdeck
candid finch
I just got the DMR (second main weapon unlock) and it doesn't seeem the greatest
honest acorn
I don't think its that good either
candid finch
There's barely any shots in it and it doesn't have the power
honest acorn
But primary weapon balance is kind of fucked right now
candid finch
I also can't use the scope
honest acorn
There's a way to but I only know how to do it on playstation sorry
candid finch
Heck
candid finch
Even then I'm not sure on how good it is
stone bridge
Middle mouse button on PC
candid finch
I'm used to DMRs that can kill a spartan in two head shots
honest acorn
Even then I'm not sure on how good it is
It's kind of bad imo
vestal trail
Right, so some of the weapon stats are either incorrectly labeled or outright lies, because the Slugger says it's Light Armor Pen but can punch through Shield Bug Faces as though it had Medium Armor Pen
honest acorn
Yeah the slugger has medium armor pen its a typo or something
Primary weapon balance in general is kind of whack atm
stone bridge
Yeah it's a meme
honest acorn
Lots of options which just don't have enough juice and the Breaker is just a head and shoulders above the rest
candid finch
I cry because I enjoy DMRs
I also got the medic body stuff, then I got the supply pack option. I like running around being a healer but it'll be better when I can talk to folk.
vestal trail
The Breaker, which has:
- Good damage output, both in burst and sustained scenarios
- Tons of ammo (15 in a clip with 7 spare clips)
- Is a shotgun in a game that doesn't think shotguns need to be shoved down enemy throats to be effective, so aiming with it basically amounts to "Are you pointing at them? They're dead."
honest acorn
Also all the SMGs are weirdly cranked
I expected them to be anemic but they actually rip
stone bridge
It's funny, in later levels I feel like the breaker only just gets by when it comes to killing, at least against bugs, to say nothing of the other weapons
candid finch
yeah the little SMG you unlock the same tier as the DMR I whipped that out in panic, murdered the giant bot aiming for me AND my teammate as they ran in front of the hail of bullets.
honest acorn
I'd take the defender as a primary if it took more than 4 mags
candid finch
So is there the defense thing basically the entire community trying to achieve it?
honest acorn
yeah
Either because of glitches or foul design I think we're gonna fail it because these missions are BRUTAL
(I don't necessarily mean foul design in a negative sense)
vestal trail
We have 15 days, so my current theory is that the Devs have intentionally front loaded difficulty on the first few days to sell the meta-narrative that the Bots are FUCKING COMING and then they'll tone it down near the tail-end to give us a chance
honest acorn
But I know that the "plot" is being directed by humans so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the difficulty is a plot point
candid finch
Does doing higher difficult give higher amount of percent given?
vestal trail
Yes
Lower difficulties aren't worth as much because Easy, hard missions have larger impact
But that difference also doesn't matter that much due to sheer player density
honest acorn
I've also heard that difficulty 6 is bugged and is harder than 9?
But that's just something someone on Twitter said not very verified
stone bridge
I can sorta see that, I've gotten armour spammed to hell and back on 6
Like "two bile titans from one breach" spammed
honest acorn
Yeah I had that happen too but I haven't played higher than a 7 so idk
I just remember as 6 with an insanely hard extract with like 4 bile titans overall (only ever 2 at once)
rapid scaffold
That mfer got stuck in the freeze tubes.
candid finch
Truly they are the Pope of Clown Town
What names have people picked for their destroyer?
vestal trail
Fist of Science
stone bridge
Colossus of Dawn
honest acorn
Gauntlet of the Regime
candid finch
Ombudsman of Gold
stark ether
i finnaly caved and got this any tips for new players?
stone bridge
PC or PS5?
stark ether
pc
stone bridge
Okay, first thing is you must learn the Hidden Keybinds
Hold R to access your weapon customisation menu and see your exact magazine capacity
This lets you toggle fire nodes and flashlights
vestal trail
Okay, first thing is you must learn the Hidden Keybinds
On this note, unless something has changed, the Jetpack is HARD BOUND to Space, meaning it Does Not Play Well with binding something else to Space
stone bridge
Hold X to open a menu that'll allow you to drop samples, backpacks and support weapons
golden ledge
Senator of Family Values
stone bridge
When you have the map open, hold right mouse to move the cursor and left click to ping a location
And finally, press Q to mark something in the world
stark ether
📝 
stone bridge
Uhh, what else
Oh! The other big one
Middle mouse button while aiming puts you in a first person view aiming down your weapons sight for better accuracy
honest acorn
It's also a huge boost to accuracy
stone bridge
This is really good against bots in particular
honest acorn
Or at least a huge effective boost because you can manage recoil better I'm not sure
Oh, and holding reload lets you mess with weapon settings I forget if that got mentioned
stone bridge
You get exact info where your rounds are going compared to the "circle of hitting here"
Yeah I mentioned that
candid finch
Okay, first thing is you must learn the Hidden Keybinds
stone bridge
Last thing is probably to go into your HUD options and turn Reticle Visibility to always
Makes it visible even while you aren't actively aiming and increases the viability of hipfiring a whole lot
Which pistols and SMGs do particularly well
Being able to go The Fast while firing backwards is a big part of what makes the SMG primaries good
barren iron
Humm...interesting stratagem
I knew I wasnt crazy
Turning retice visibility on? Boooo
Blindly fire at the enemy
gritty sundial
I see I am the sole advocate of the Diligence
I like it, it’s my main primary
At least til I get the Penetrator (There is no way the names not on purpose)
candid finch
Diligence?
gritty sundial
The DMR
candid finch
Ahhh
What have you found it good at?
I'm just struggling to use it right now is all
gritty sundial
It’s an anti-bot weapon
You are most definitely better served by other weapons against bugs
But for bots, nothing in my experience has beaten the diligence and the amr
unreal merlin
I've been trying the Diligence Counter Sniper, though my chief complaint is that while it bodyshots light automatons, you pretty much have to land headshots on heavier infantry as it only has Light Armor Pen, and this is kind of a pain in the ass in the heat of a fight.
Meanwhile, Breaker shotgun just totally mauls things if you mag dump it.
upbeat vector
Is the flamethrower any good?
stone bridge
I think overall it underperforms, but it can kill a Charger in 6-7 seconds of continuous fire
Which is admittedly nice
upbeat vector
📝
candid finch
Good for holding down chokes
honest acorn
I've only used it on bots but I think its viable but not upper crust atm
stray tide
Even if you could get in missions aren’t giving any rewards rn lmao
unreal merlin
I could've been +40 common samples if I'd been given my due rewards...
upbeat vector
I got my rewards after logging out and coming back later
stray tide
Oh that’s good
stray tide
bruh
In fairness they’re just getting completely fucked
Like
There’s not a lot they can do other than keep buying service space
gritty sundial
tru
stone bridge
Yeah, the game's popularity far outstripped expectations
Literally suffering from success
honest acorn
Yeah there's only so fast you can scale up a CDN
At least the game is P2P for the actual gameplay or we'd be FUCKED
stone bridge
Real
daring monolith
what if you wanted to play Helldivers but the servers said:
-1 (retrying in 20 seconds)
daring monolith
in-mission me and my buddies kept getting stuck for 5-10 seconds in place after picking up currencies like req slips, super credits, and medals
everything else was fine, just the stuff that ig is tracked server-side
unreal merlin
Mmm, delicious. I managed to log in and got all the samples I'd been missing, going from like 40 common and 150 rare to:
jolly mortar
Good for holding down chokes
this is all I've found it to be good for myself. and even then the machine gun has less risk of burning bugs getting to me and setting my ass on fire too.
I will say though, the maniacal cackling characters do when they get on a killstreak with the flamethrower makes it at least fun to use sometimes
stone bridge
huh
Apparently Vitality Enhancement's description is just false
It actually increases maximum health
Doesn't offer injury resist at all
Also also: being prone makes your stamina regen faster
honest acorn
I did notice that
I was fucking around with shooting from prone to see the animations
The machine gun supine reload is really funny because you just throw the box straight up and it lands on you
stone bridge
lmao yeah
daring monolith
really liking the EAT. Such a short cooldown and it one-shots the armour on a charger's leg
haven't done much testing vs automatons, dunno if it can get dropship engines or not
daring monolith
interesting
will keep that in mind.
also damn, the defense is not going well. one planet already fallen (and needing to be reclaimed), one almost fallen.
cobalt patrol
I am getting annoyed at Assault raiders
The suicide rush is really unfair feeling
esp when you kuill them and they still gank ya
stone bridge
Twitter
stark ether
every month sounds pretty frequent
meager sandal
Yeah hope they can keep up with the update schedule
stark ether
i mean i'm assuming the every month is just for the warbond but still
cobalt patrol
Also that players can keep up.
Because that's real "thisi s your only game and you will burn out" territory
stark ether
i'm hoping the word "new" just means like a few new items and a bunch of old
cobalt patrol
We'll see
stark ether
like hoping they steal the warframe thing and have it so if you already hav somthing out of the thing you can claim a currency instead
meager sandal
Oh the war bonds are the pseudo battle pass
jolly mortar
alright, SMG+GL is my new go-to combo.
the GL is great. pops bile spewers in two shots max.
cobalt patrol
I need to unlock it
regretting getting the autcannon, frankly
The reload is just too long
stone bridge
The trick is you don't reload from empty
The animation of your diver cycling the feed adds like 3 seconds
dusk meadow
anyone up for some helldiving?
stone bridge
but the base clip feed animation is only ~2ish
barren iron
You can also dive to cancel that part
barren iron
Yes
Once it inserts the clip the mag will say its half full
I dont know if it actually SKIPS it
But you can get 5 rounds from empty very quickly
lethal dagger
Also it took me ages to realize you had to throw grenades into the vents on the ...
You can also throw nades into the open doors, which if you have impact grenades is more reliable
meager sandal
oh that's a great tip, bet recoiless rifle would work then as well
unreal merlin
The reload is just too long
You can also preemptively reload it at half-mag too. It doesn't have the lossy-wasteful aspect that the other guns do, so if you ever have a spare moment you can top it off if it's below 50%.
Or do the dive-cancel to only load one clip of rounds (half-magazine load) if you're on a time crunch (heavy devastator bearing down on you)
dusk meadow
hidden bile titan tech
if you get two of them, they can walk on each other and then one kills the other
just found that out as I was kiting for a suicide mission
rotund marten
New update, defence made easier, difficulty 7 through 9 made harder
which makes a certain amount of sense, Difficulty 7 bugs weren't particularly nasty
jolly mortar
Either absolutely nobody is playing right now, or quickplay matchmaking busted after the update.
Doesn't feel like the server fucking up because things that were going wrong during the server meltdown (reward payouts, unlocking things) are working fine
...wait. if it's because of my VPN being on I'm gonna be annoyed.
dusk meadow
which makes a certain amount of sense, Difficulty 7 bugs weren't particularly na...
yeah the runs I just did felt a little different to the ones last night
jolly mortar
nope, not my VPN. quickplay just isn't turning up any matches.
dusk meadow
which might have something to do with us going: 1/4 extract, 4/4, and my first 0/4
which was heartbreaking because the bird was right there, and I got torn apart
:(
rotund marten
I am tempted to try and run some 8s now
dusk meadow
I'll join you in a bit!
jolly mortar
I will say, matchmaking problems aside. kinda like that I've only been playing for about 2 days and I've already just straight earned enough premium currency to be halfway to being able to get the premium pass for free.
rotund marten
OK, found a level 8 bug operation with two blitzes, which also lets us test out the new Defence
rotund marten
<@&1206091872716595200> diving
north fiber
Helldivers, we have prepared a patch for today. This one continues the focus on stability and matchmaking. We are separately working on the server issues that we’re facing at the moment. We know this is the highest urgency for most players and we treat them very seriously.
🔧 Fixes
The following issues have been fixed for this version:
STABILITY/CRASHES
Fixed a crash during extraction cutscene relating to text to speech.
Fixed a crash happening during extraction in search and destroy missions after consecutive multiplayer missions.
Fixed a crash when getting disconnected during the joining cutscene.
Fixed a crash while shooting from the 'SMG-37 Defender' in ADS mode.
Fixed a crash that rarely occurs relating to surface data for footstep effects.
Fixed a rare crash relating to identical particle effects playing.
Fixed a crash that could occur in relation to accepting an invite.
MATCHMAKING
Fixed an issue that caused us to send invalid data to multiplayer services.
Improved lobby sorting to increase chance of connectivity.
BALANCE & OTHER FIXES
Defend event difficulty has been reduced.
Fix for Suicide, Impossible and Helldive missions being too easy.
Horde Mode difficulty Increased.
Horde mode timer has been increased to 15 minutes.
Updated Mission End screen to display Experience and Requisition multiplier.
Issue where multiple of the same stratagems could be brought to a mission has been resolved.
🧠 Known Issues
Listed below are significant issues that are being worked on and were either introduced by this patch or are from a previous version and have not yet been fixed.
Backend issues during high load are improved but still persist, issues include:
Login rate limiting when many are logging in at the same time.
Players can become disconnected during play.
Rewards and other progress may be delayed or not attributed.
Various UI issues may appear when the game interacts with servers.
Pick-up of certain objects in-game may cause characters to freeze in place for an extended period of time.
Other unknown behaviors may occur.
Japanese VO is missing from intro cutscene and Ship TV.
Armor values for light/medium/heavy armor do currently not function as intended.
Defend event difficulty has been reduced
Yay!
Fixed Suicide, Impossible, and Helldive missions being too easy
Oh no
candid finch
Neat! Man I don't know if it's because I only just got into this game but it feels like they've turned around and fixed some of this stuff real fast
red steeple
Yeah, they’ve been pushing patches and fixes quickly since launch 
rotund marten
come dive with me, I want to try the new desert bot planet
gritty sundial
come dive with me, I want to try the new desert bot planet
I can be in vc and you can order me around, but I can't talk cuz too early lol
dusk meadow
yo, we need 2 more to fill in for a Diff 4 defense operation
we're doing some defense for that planet that just got invaded
merry cosmos
Yeah hope they can keep up with the update schedule
im hope this dosent kill their employess
keen zinc
<@&1206091872716595200> gonna be playing some non-masochistic helldivers 2, mid difficulty and map exploring
kinda tired of doing 7 diff insane-o missions
short rune
<@&1206091872716595200> Anyone up to help me spreading managed democracy?
@merry cosmos May I join?
red steeple
As long as you're down for a chill time, come on in! I'm actually rolling off, so that works out nicely 😂
jolly mortar
may hop on myself. can't sleep.
nocturne saffron
north fiber
burnt vapor
need to talk to that tenth biologist
keen zinc
Problem is what you need to peel it
golden ledge
How bad has difficulty 7+ been post patch?
meager sandal
I swear recoilless rifle rounds just richochet off the legs, what am I doing wrong?
upbeat vector
Is it possible to get into the premium pass without spending money?
glacial light
I love I've been getting fan madr Helldivers propaganda news updates on tik tok and I sort of want to get the game to reclaim the lost sector from the automatons
honest acorn
Is it possible to get into the premium pass without spending money?
yes
you can get premium money on missions and just need to build up enough of it
meager sandal
Also I'm pretty sure there's enough to get the premium pass from the free one
golden ledge
You end up short by 250 if I remember right
lethal dagger
How bad has difficulty 7+ been post patch?
had a great time doing bugs on diff 7 with 3 randoms
grenade launcher is a really effective weapon on bugs
it deals with anything that isn't a heavy very efficiently and lets you have a backpack slot free for a shield or laser drone
keen zinc
I am struggling to find a compromise between effectiveness and sustain for my heavy + backpack slots
oblique lotus
railgun and the backpack laser
keen zinc
Autocannon is good but it feels like you kinda make yourself The Autocannon Guy
Railgun is too sci fi for me
I must shoot gun bullet explosion item
Recoilless is good but very slow self reloads and takes up backpack slot
honest acorn
Recoilless is goated if you can get a loader
Which is hard with randoms
But the reload is super fast
keen zinc
I was thinking jump pack + something
AMR is fun, Stalwart is fun
Maybe shield generator + stalwart
candid finch
I think the servers are exploding a little
I swear sometimes I just get disconnected from everyone and can't find anyone to play with
barren iron
Maybe shield generator + stalwart
Shield Gen + machine gun is my rule of cool build. Machine gun lets you rip into the heavier enemies more
keen zinc
Yeah
keen zinc
For great democracy
<@&1206091872716595200> democracy needs us
friend code #1429-3817
compact silo
upbeat vector
Is anyone else's game crashing?
keen zinc
<@&1206091872716595200> need 2 more for fighting for liberty, diff 5
candid finch
I've been getting more crashes than ever
Also any tips for staying alive? I have a very unarmoured... armour
And I wonder if that's what is getting me killed faster
oblique lotus
against bots or bugs?
candid finch
Bots
oblique lotus
also the democracy protects armor gives 50% odds to Not Die which is quite useful against all the oneshots floating around
meager sandal
Armor value is also glitched doesn't do anything
candid finch
I'm in the medic get up and I get looked at by one of those rocket bots and exploded
oblique lotus
bots throw around a lot of oneshots
oblique lotus
rocket devastators have a telltale pose that they take before firing
meager sandal
Shield generator if you have the backpack slot is an option
candid finch
I don't have many things unlocked
oblique lotus
imo democracy protects is extremely useful just because bots have a lot of random bullshit and that 50% is quite useful against the stuff that will catch you off guard
candid finch
because the game keeps crashing today
meager sandal
Big rocket guys also have they're rocket pods as weak points with very low health
candid finch
Even the small rocket guys point at me and explode me in one hit
meager sandal
Servers are very weird today, played a bit this morning and people just couldn't spawn back in
oblique lotus
as far as rockets go uh
your best option is not getting hit
which means sticking to cover and only exposing yourself to rocket enemies when you know they aren't firing
honest acorn
Blast plating armor will stop the little rockets one shot
But it will tumble you pretty far
rotund marten
shield generator is absolutely god tier but is also a level 20 unlock
oblique lotus
with bots in general cover is god
rotund marten
20 gets you shield and railgun, both of which are basically mandatory for at least someone on the team in dif 7+
one to two-shots rocket guys and stops you dying to one rocket
oblique lotus
I've passed on the shield but also my armor does something very similar
the shield is really good don't get me wrong but I could get More Firepower
and that's important to me
rotund marten
shield also blocks melee attacks, it's basically an entire second health bar that regenerates and health gates
oblique lotus
yeah but I don't take melee hits very often
breaker two to three shots berserkers to the head
rotund marten
Against bugs I alternate between shield and laserdrone
but laserdrone does like to randomly kill you occasionally
I'm half tempted to go "3-4 people need to have EAT" on high difficulty bugge
because you just die to wave after wave of armour
need to be dropping expendable AT tubes for everyone everywhere all at once
unreal merlin
Laser drone needs you to specifically keep track of how you're orienting your view since it wants to hover over your right shoulder, and if it's trying to shoot something on your left you might hit yourself
it puts in WORK though
honest acorn
I wonder if camera side toggle changes the shoulder it wants to hover over?
stone bridge
Bots want you to both never stop moving and take appropriate cover
Balancing that is important
naive dragon
Bots make it so I can't use stalwart ;-;
golden ledge
> servers at capacity please try again later
stuck ravine
For anyone that wants my friend code it’s #3259-7592
honest acorn
> servers at capacity please try again later
On a related note we passed Starfield in peak concurrent players on Steam
vestal trail
It's simultaneously satisfying and very funny how Helldivers is genuinely one of the largest game releases in years
And not in the "Look it's a big name bibeeo gam!" sense but in the "Oh good lord we did not predict this level of popularity" sense
cobalt patrol
Managed democracy needs my help
i have an idea.
Let's all log in together! It's perfection and will def help
true smelt
holy shit there is so much transphobia on the helldivers discord
oblique lotus
that's......unsurprising
unreal merlin
Don't bother spending much time there, is my advice. Even disregarding that issue, there's simply too many people and too much traffic to meaningfully engage with anything outside of a quick skim.
stone bridge
yeah don't go on game discords for anything but news tbh
unreal merlin
It just moves too fast, you can't even really hold a conversation.
upbeat vector
holy shit there is so much transphobia on the helldivers discord
Oh no 😟
stray tide
It’s upsetting that it’s bad enoigh that it’s immediately noticeable
golden ledge
Stuff goes by too fast for me to really notice anything going on, especially with all of the meme spam.
glad marsh
holy shit there is so much transphobia on the helldivers discord
Yeesh, pretty disappointing.
But I'm pretty sure the large majority of the community isn't so negative about such things at least. Transphobes are usually just a weirdly vocal minority
unreal merlin
Just leech memes and dev notes, with the occasional skim for specific info.
glad marsh
...leech?
idle hollow
candid finch
with the medic armour you can really sail because if you've pressed the heal button just before you got hit you're kinda invulnerable but also taking a huge amount of damage and I wound up in the sky
idle hollow
keen zinc
wait what
golden ledge
Yea I feel bad for Arrowhead right now because this is far more than what they were expecting.
glad marsh
Saving grace is that this surge in popularity should fund updates for YEARS
Which is exactly what we want
I think I read an article about the CEO saying they had to rewrite the roadmap because they can do way more stuff now
idle hollow
Yea I feel bad for Arrowhead right now because this is far more than what they w...
helldivers 1 peaked at like, 10000 people on both PS4 and PC
upbeat vector
What're we at now?
upbeat vector
Good lord
idle hollow
also looking back, damn, 7 years of dev time
golden ledge
And keep in mind that's only the PC side, those numbers don't include PS5 players.
golden ledge
Yeesh, pretty disappointing.
But I'm pretty sure the large majority of the commu...
I'm watching the mod team trying to ban all of the transphobes and racists as fast ast they can by the by.
glad marsh
A noble and democratic cause!
golden ledge
Yea, its just that they're completely swamped due to reasons.
unreal merlin
It's almost like they're dealing with a few hundred thousand more people than anticipated.
strange vine
Apparently the HMG emplacement might be really good for the extraction mission
Can kill everything but the tanks
unreal merlin
🤔 I've never tried the HMG Emplacement.
hallow gorge
Apparently the HMG emplacement might be really good for the extraction mission
I hope that's true I would love to use it
dusk meadow
Apparently the HMG emplacement might be really good for the extraction mission
holy shit, that's big brain
eager pine
So did the HD2 devs actually do anything vaguely LGBTQ+ positive to inspire all the people currently whining about LBGTQ+ blah blah blah in the Steam forums right now instead of the horrible connection issues? I would like a rainbow cape.
dusk meadow
HMG + Gatling + Mortar + Rocket
north fiber
So did the HD2 devs actually do anything vaguely LGBTQ+ positive to inspire all ...
Nope, probably a 4chan crusade or something.
dusk meadow
So did the HD2 devs actually do anything vaguely LGBTQ+ positive to inspire all ...
you say that as if people like that need an actual reason to go off, people with hatred in their heart are going to hate
north fiber
The official discord is supposedly flooded with transphobia and the mods can't ban them fast enough
north fiber
you say that as if people like that need an actual reason to go off, people with...
Yeah, remember when Darktide released and there was a transphobic guide posted in less than a day.
eager pine
you say that as if people like that need an actual reason to go off, people with...
They don't need one, but they aren't very self motivated. They USUALLY need some sorta trigger, no matter how insignificant.
strange vine
The existence of queer people on the same game fandom is usually enough
dusk meadow
a new place to place hatred out into the world?
eager pine
I guess.
north fiber
Honestly, probably Helldivers having Voices 1-4 and body type: lean and body type: bulky is enough
eager pine
I was just hopeful I could get a cape with some actual colors.
eager pine
Honestly, probably Helldivers having Voices 1-4 and ``body type: lean`` and ``bo...
Oh yeah, that could be it.
I mean, they could always have just made things up wholesale, but fascists aren't very creative generally.
dusk meadow
I was just hopeful I could get a cape with some actual colors.
post under investigation for treason
eager pine
Democratic Colors
dusk meadow
post... No longer under investigation for treason
eager pine
Super Earth embraces all love, as long as it's secondary to the love of managed democracy
golden ledge
Yea, the offical discord doubled in size in the past 6 hours.
north fiber
God, someone made a great variation on the RvB "what's in your pants" meme
north fiber
Yea, the offical discord doubled in size in the past 6 hours.
Definitely a raid then
north fiber
God, someone made a great variation on the RvB "what's in your pants" meme
Wish we could find it
upbeat vector
Servers still full 😔
eager pine
Ya'll saw this one already right? May get you looks in public || https://twitter.com/PhrenDraws/status/1757974835609690355 ||
Twitter
idle hollow
Honestly, probably Helldivers having Voices 1-4 and ``body type: lean`` and ``bo...
the only complaint about that I have is one of the crew on your ship always says “proud to serve by your side sir” even if you have a feminine voice selected
just need to make them say ma’am also and then make it randomly choose if you have the random voice option tbh
even then it’s minor as fuck
eager pine
Do they use the word "Maam" anywhere?
dusk meadow
just need to make them say ma’am also and then make it randomly choose if you ha...
I wouldn't be suprised if it was just bugged
barren iron
In a LOT of militaries Sir is for both genders
hot meadow
In a LOT of militaries Sir is for both genders
TIL
dusk meadow
also that yes
hot meadow
I was gonna joke that a Helldiver’s gender is Helldiver tbh
unreal merlin
Correct, not all militaries differentiate.
idle hollow
i had no idea
unreal merlin
It certainly makes it less ambiguous when sending emails to people you don't know who have androgynous names.
barren iron
They needed a gender neutral term when women started taking officer roles and Sir is already baked into military language
So they just made it apply to women too
(Your superior is just your superior and their gender is literally completely irrelevant even down to the way you address them)
unreal merlin
correct, "I don't care about your gender - WE HAVE BUGS TO KILL RAAAAAAAAAH"
barren iron
They needed a gender neutral term when women started taking officer roles and Si...
Ok apparently I'm just wrong
It is just entirely a scifi staple
It was in star trek and starship troopers though
And I watched starship troopers recently. They do indeed call everyone sir
oblique lotus
I was about to say starship troopers does it
and given that starship troopers is very transparently the source material
oblique lotus
apparently in the US non-marine training it's "rank lastname" rather than sir or ma'am
unreal merlin
Using Rank Lastname is the safe option, yes.
You cannot go wrong with calling someone Sergeant Franklin if that's what their rank insignia and nametape says.
oblique lotus
it is kinda funny that people are getting Big Mad over LGBTQ stuff in helldivers when starship troopers was extremely genderless
sexless?
co-ed showers and stuff
fringe quiver
because to them, co-ed showers is heteronormative
oblique lotus
yeah it's an excuse to eyeball the female squaddies but at the same time within the context of the film it's neither the people nor their organization particularly caring
which is an interesting perspective
naive dragon
I mean
fringe quiver
ye, because the facist regime likely doesn't care what or who you are, just that you blindly follow their belief, and if you're going to war against the bugs, you're probably doing that
however if you request any special treatment, you'll probably get punished
I doubt they'd give HRT or other stuff like that (at least, not until you're out of not serving them directly, if they even allow it)
unreal merlin
Don't most people get up in arms over all the prevalence of lgbt content and such? When it's everywhere all the time. Then you look at Starship Troopers where it's not even a factor whatsoever - nobody cares, nobody judges, there's more important things to be thinking about (those things are fascist government propaganda and manipulation and all that, but it's "more important" than worrying about gender stuff)
naive dragon
yeah it's an excuse to eyeball the female squaddies but at the same time within ...
I get that perspective pretty well, though. It's a cleaning ritual, this is your new family, etc
oblique lotus
yeah
naive dragon
It gets weird but it's not like the federation is supposed to make sense
oblique lotus
Don't most people get up in arms over all the *prevalence* of lgbt content and s...
nowadays people get mad at the hint of the suggestion that gay people might possibly exist
it's honestly kinda funny to see sometimes because you see the internet hate frenzy get whipped up about sweet fuck all
fringe quiver
Don't most people get up in arms over all the *prevalence* of lgbt content and s...
socioeconomic culture can create grifters because certain parties have selected groups of people as wrong/bad, and with the explosion of internet media and how you likely can earn more money grifting than you can working other jobs, people gonna grift
merry tartan
literally just been sitting here on a black screen not even getting to a main menu anymore
unreal merlin
looking too hard at starship troopers and helldivers on this feels like digging too much from either side imo anyway. you're supposed to just be a bunch of meatheads shooting things for thinly veiled causes, it's more fun when you just shoot da bugs/bots
naive dragon
We are here to have fun and shoot bugs/robots
unreal merlin
add in the illuminate whenever they get around to shoot those
fringe quiver
well you're not supposed to because it's satirical, you can engage with it easily because going with it is meant to be sarcastic cause reasonable people know it's all bad.
having fun shooting things is just that
naive dragon
Also having cups of liber-tea
merry tartan
genuinely convinced the illuminate either fucked off out of the galaxy or just died.
unreal merlin
I forget what tropes the illuminate was supposed to embody
oblique lotus
so many goddamn energy shields
merry tartan
so many goddamn energy shields
hated that shit
oblique lotus
though with the revamps of the bugs and bots being so good I'm pretty excited for the illuminates
naive dragon
We want the planet crackers
fringe quiver
Spooky spiritual space hippies
"what if we just like, opened the planet's crust? and it was all gooey inside? like a melted cheese taco?"
eager pine
it is kinda funny that people are getting Big Mad over LGBTQ stuff in helldivers...
For way too long I was like "What LGBTQ+ stuff?" Because I completely forgot that not enforcing gender onto people in videogame character customization is a thing people get upsetti spaghetti about.
unreal merlin
No i mean, yeah duh protoss shields and stuff but I mean more like, bugs are starship trooper bugs, automatons/cyborgs were ostensibly just wanting to mind their own business
eager pine
Even though it was mentioned earlier in the thread.
unreal merlin
the THEME of illuminate
naive dragon
"what if we just like, opened the planet's crust? and it was all gooey inside? l...
Don't tempt me to cracka planet open again
oblique lotus
For way too long I was like "What LGBTQ+ stuff?" Because I completely forgot th...
that too helldivers is also genderless
fringe quiver
but it could be gooey cheese
like if you crack open a cheesy moon, is it fondue inside?
merry tartan
OH SWEET I GOT IN-to the main menu where I am now being told it's at capacity again
eager pine
that too helldivers is *also* genderless
Wait, that's not what you were referring to?
merry tartan
oblique lotus
Wait, that's not what you were referring to?
I was referring to starship troopers but helldivers is basically the same thing
keen zinc
now WE have the energy shields
keen zinc
they blew up super earth but we got their bubble shield tech
eager pine
We want the planet crackers
If we crack the planets then how can we spread democracy to them?
naive dragon
We spread democracy across the system with the gooey cheese inside
merry tartan
we need the farm planets to feed super earth because we need more super big macs
keen zinc
we also need to farm the bugs because we can make them into oil
merry tartan
freedom and managed democracy means i get to eat as much as I damn well please and you better believe that means we should have a farm planet for every single city on super earth
eager pine
lasers and clean white surfaces and energy shields
SO Eldar?
merry tartan
sort of but not really
eager pine
Protoss are clean yellow surfaces and energy shields.
merry tartan
eldar are a totally different vibe compared to the illuminate
eager pine
What WH40k factoin are the Protoss a rip off of?
oblique lotus
cloaking shields and lasers and electrical weapons and hard light stuff
meager sandal
No i mean, yeah duh protoss shields and stuff but I mean more like, bugs are sta...
Cyborgs were hiding wmds, bugs are oil, I forget what the illuminate were
merry tartan
the protoss are a weird ass amalgamation of a lot of scifi tropes combined with space elves
you gotta open your brain
oblique lotus
Cyborgs were hiding wmds, bugs are oil, I forget what the illuminate were
cyborgs were terrorists, illuminates had WMDs
upbeat vector
Cyborgs were hiding wmds, bugs are oil, I forget what the illuminate were
Cyborgs were rebels, Illuminate had the wmds
oblique lotus
jinx
eager pine
Cyborgs were hiding wmds, bugs are oil, I forget what the illuminate were
Communists?
Oh wait, the cyborgs were communists right?
oblique lotus
ye
naive dragon
IIRC there's implications that SE either allows or invents attacks on SE by the cyborgs-now-automatons
Just in case things are getting too peaceful
upbeat vector
Yeah, I got that vibe
tulip hill
IIRC there's implications that SE either allows or invents attacks on SE by the ...
In the first game, the Cyborg faction (which are essentially the automatons for HD2) was literally a workers uprising that the Helldivers were being sent to quash under the guise of a "hostile invasion" lmao
oblique storm
It started because a human terrorist killed 8 people with a bomb and claimed it was on behalf of the cyborgs
SE then launched a full scale invasion
honest acorn
fringe quiver
looks at helldivers 2
rotund marten
it is kinda funny that people are getting Big Mad over LGBTQ stuff in helldivers...
Starship Troopers is deliberately taking the "everyone is a beautifully carved and totally sexless classical sculpture" approach to this as a commentary on fascist propaganda, which very much tended in that direction regarding the military. It's made extremely obvious when Rico's commanding officer effectively orders him to go and get laid, the very brief mentions of sexuality are explicitly a subset of everyone being horny for War and the State and Heroic Martyrdom and not for each other.
you can do some Adorno-esque cultural critique here because it's effectively the exact same style you get in your modern superhero movies with the mandatory shirtless scene, one swear word and no sex allowed, but in that case it's very much lowest-common-denominator extruded cultural product rather than commentary or intentional propaganda
fringe quiver
so it seems I should, not buy the game still and wait for the server capacity to be fixed?
verbal summit
verbal summit
so it seems I should, *not* buy the game still and wait for the server capacity ...
Yeah or you can get it and play when the servers aren't overloaded and also when they get fixed. Up to you if you wanna wait for it.
rotund marten
it's been pretty playable in my experience, it works way better with private parties than it does with online matchmaking, but they just don't have the server capacity right now despite probably throwing infinite money at more of it as we speak
verbal summit
They created too much peak
rotund marten
I imagine it'll be fine in a week
verbal summit
Yea
fringe quiver
I've been waiting cause friend wants me to play GBFR with them
verbal summit
I haven't had server issues up until today
fringe quiver
but I speedran the story cause Helldivers 2 seems cool
verbal summit
I've heard just restarting the game can also work if you've been waiting long on servers.
strange vine
IIRC there's implications that SE either allows or invents attacks on SE by the ...
iirc the automatons are attacking to free their cyborg creators who were enslaved by Super Earth after losing the first galactic war
rotund marten
from the community discord, obviously
cute that they're rolling with the ongoing story but it would be nice to have that in-game
keen zinc
people are way too horndie
hollow plover
If you're not idealizing dying for a fascist hellstate democracy, are you even patriotic enough?
rotund marten
kindred lintel
I recognize the starting 2 arrows as an eagle strategem, but what is the actual one?
verbal summit
Should be cluster
honest mural
verbal summit
I recognised 500 cus I got it recently and my brain was confused when I first used it cus I kept inputting my cluster thing
hollow plover
Cluster and Airburst are primo teamkillers
verbal summit
Cluster especially tho cus I'll say run away and then they run away along the line of my strafe
I feel like I somehow have more awareness of this kinda stuff cus I'll see randoms throw clusters too close to me and know where to run and I can deal with mortar sentries doing a little friendly fire but my friends die to it a lot.
gritty sundial
cluster is what I meant whoops lol
kindred lintel
Does it actually kill bile titans now?
hollow plover
It do
Though I'm always for titans being resistant to explosions, because they look cool and menacing wandering through the glow and smoke
kindred lintel
Not when you get 1 500kg per eagle (without t3 upgrade)
rotund marten
I have the T3 upgrade
I use it against bots because it onehits tanks and tanks don't dodge
bile titans and chargers wander out of the fairly small kill radius very easily
keen zinc
47537093
hallow gorge
Has anyone else only been able to get random matches of one other person
stuck ravine
And not in the "Look it's a big name bibeeo gam!" sense but in the "Oh good lord...
Literally suffering from success.
candid finch
Hey so silly question but can you get all of the support items you can find on the ground around places?
cause I enjoy arc throwers
or whatever they're called
the ones that boop multiple people
candid finch
yeah but can you unlock them?
meager sandal
Yeah
kindred lintel
Yes, they are in the first section
vestal trail
The Break Action Shotgun is the only weapon you can't unlock because it's the Shitty Joke Weapon The Colonists Had
Every other support weapon has an unlockable stratagem
hallow gorge
0965-7964
If anyone wants to add me, I'm trying to complete an impossible difficulty
jolly mortar
is matchmaking still borked?
keen zinc
<@&1206091872716595200> we need a fourth, gamespeople
oblique lotus
sure
hallow gorge
is matchmaking still borked?
Every matchmaking game I've tried has only had one other player
jolly mortar
better than it just completely not working I guess
hallow gorge
Well when you're trying to unlock difficulty 9 it's not ideal
honest acorn
I’ve gotten 3-4 people with some consistency
jolly mortar
nice. may be picking up a bit then.
honest acorn
Everything which touches their server system like reward logging, matchmaking, or even picking up samples has been kind of fucked from the game being like 20x as popular as expected
stray tide
yeah
also their discord which
i wish they'd use twitter for all these announcemnets
cause their discord is awful
jolly mortar
their discord is a radioactive zone, I fully recommend not looking at their general chats
like, the subreddit is more levelheaded.
stray tide
it recently had a universal 6 hour slow mode also lmao
jolly mortar
yeaaaah.
as always people do not have the slightest bit of understanding about how hard it is to launch a multiplayer game
but gives me hope that they're working this hard to stabilize it, means the game could have a long life if they're this dedicated
honest acorn
it recently had a universal 6 hour slow mode also lmao
Oh fuck it must be bad there
That’s like very close to the top of the mod escalation ladder haha
unreal merlin
I mean there was the incident the other day where one of the mods pinged @everyone telling people not to spam F after the server died. I trust you can imagine how well telling a hundred thousand internet memesters to not spam F went.
People got way out of control with it and it ground not just the main server to a halt, but infected the secondary community HD1 server and people were doing awful rules-violating things there too.
unreal merlin
IDK lemme see if I'm just totally pulling that out of nowhere or not
but it IS huge
too huge to really engage with as a community besides chat moving too fast even with a 5 minute slowdown everywhere
jolly mortar
it genuinely is that bad
honest acorn
IDK lemme see if I'm just totally pulling that out of nowhere or not
No you undercounted its 216k members
unreal merlin
honest acorn
Horrifying
jolly mortar
I joined earlier this morning to keep an eye on the updates and people were getting like way out of hand in criticizing the devs
unreal merlin
yeah so, as much as I agree the extent to which people went insane and childish about it, I don't know how they didn't anticipate pinging multiple hundreds of thousands of people to not do something so memetic and easy would go
honest acorn
Augh yeah that stuff drives me crazy
oblique lotus
what's pnet at, out of curiosity?
honest acorn
The Darktide server was pretty bad for a while too
azure pewter
Horrifying
cyan seeing pictures of discord mod version of a vietnam flashback
honest acorn
Probably still is I don’t look at it any more
honest acorn
what's pnet at, out of curiosity?
Very close to 40k
oblique lotus
The Darktide server was pretty bad for a while too
the darktide subreddit was so bad that fatshark's previous community manager changed roles
oblique lotus
like, I play league and to be perfectly honest I don't think league players are this toxic towards the devs
jolly mortar
like, multiple times an hour seeing people call anyone calling for some kind of calm or patience paid bots bad
oblique lotus
they're this toxic to each other but not towards riot
honest acorn
like, I play league and to be perfectly honest I don't think league players are ...
Super no
oblique lotus
I could be wrong I don't spend a lot of time on mainstream league content
honest acorn
I don't see anywhere near as much vitriol
Honestly I think the LoL community has cooled a fair amount and is now far from the most toxic community
jolly mortar
I'd that it's mostly competitive where you see the toxicity now, yeah?
honest acorn
And that's not even that bad
oblique lotus
it's a uniform distribution there's just less of it
I've gotten what I can only describe as omnicist spam out of a tilted yone player after an arenas game
jolly mortar
related to that, I was kinda impressed with one of the higher-ups at Arrowhead saying they didn't wanna add PVP specifically because they don't want the potential toxicity that comes with it
and they really wanna just focus on making challenging PVE content that people can play together
burnt vapor
It's their whole thing
They make co-op PVE games always have
oblique lotus
also I don't think the game would work very well as a PvP game
for a variety of reasons
unreal merlin
The thing that kinda blew my mind (as I'm not keeping an eye out for this toxicity you're all apparently seeing) was people clamoring for more content literally less than a week after release.
jolly mortar
It's their whole thing
They make co-op PVE games always have
I just admire that dedication to it honestly
oblique lotus
I'm through a lot of the content
I need to get some tier 3s and fill out the warbond but I've got all the stratagems
unreal merlin
Yeah I get that, but people banging their fists on the table demanding more more more more is what I'm referring to.
burnt vapor
I just admire that dedication to it honestly
it is pretty rare to see these days
jolly mortar
as someone who is really 'PVP is the most unfun thing in the world for me' it's a breath of fresh air to see a studio that stakes its identity this hard on co-op PVE
unreal merlin
Like broskis chill out they need time to actually dev the stuff you can't just gripe about it to make them go faster.
jolly mortar
honestly what's there is fun enough as it is I really do not mind waiting longer for them to put the fires out before rolling content proper out
most of the people throwing a fit just. never learned the lesson that you can put a game down for awhile and go play something else.
oblique lotus
Honestly I think the LoL community has cooled a fair amount and is now far from ...
also riot's autoban systems work acceptably
if someone's spamming garbage they're gone pretty quick
honest acorn
Yeah they've mostly driven out chat toxicity
People inting or griefing or giving up is much harder to police in general but also not always intentional a lot of people just have bad mental
oblique lotus
there is the issue that league accounts are pretty easy to come by and therefore smurfing/new accts/etc is pretty trivial but it does impose a cost to being toxic
jolly mortar
forgot that I picked the laser drone up when doing a solo run last night, and the breaker. those plus GL is.. honestly a real fun combo.
jolly mortar
hulks with no arms look hilarious
also this does look very silly
unreal merlin
Laser drone's honestly too good I think. It essentially never stops shooting and trivializes bug waves.
A difficulty 7 mission where all four of us took laser drones was just ezpz.
jolly mortar
I noticed that yeah. I think if anything its fire rate or its damage needs to be nerfed a little bit.
rotund marten
forgot that I picked the laser drone up when doing a solo run last night, and th...
breaker or slugger, grenade launcher and laser drone are my standard
unreal merlin
(it also looked very cool)
rotund marten
swapping laser drone out for personal shield at higher difficulties
you really need it
north fiber
Honestly, we're counting on our signature ability to play tomorrow
Waking up at 6am during the weekend
jolly mortar
oh neat i have a similar ability
its. being awake at 6 am because i live the life of a vampire.
cobalt wing
cerulean sluice
Are the servers not dead rn?
upbeat vector
They're full
unreal merlin
They're not dead, but population is capped at 450k because it can't handle more without metaphorically catching fire.
stark ether
That would be a good april fools joke, a "servers are full" condition that sets all the robots on fire
jolly mortar
debuff that shuts off all their targeting software because their servers are overloaded
stuck ravine
Had a friend thinking the whole game is broke cause the evac mission is broke (You cannot expect me to look at the evac mission with what's supposed to be a 40 minute time limit, and potentially side objectives to not be bugged) and had to explain several times it was just the one mission type and how to pick those mission times (and that the defense mission objective for the week is referring to defense operations) Got him to calm down a bit, but the queue frustrated him.
....And had to advise him to switch to gamepad (seriously this game needs to just recommend right out the gate gamepad for PC players) because I was watching him struggle just to deal with the bots and try to get a reinforcement down which he never could, so if I died and he was alive I just had to wait till he died.
oblique lotus
I prefer mnk
I think reccing gamepad would throw off people used to mouse input
and stratagems aren't that hard
honest acorn
I am definitely at least more used to gamepad inputs for them but I miss mouse aim
Though the game does have polite aim assist
stark ether
i just want quick play to work again
stuck ravine
and stratagems aren't that hard
Their bind was ctrl, and then apparently they needed to use awsd to get the right inputs for the strategem which conflicted with moving to stay away from the bots.
Which is why I told him to just switch to gamepad.
oblique lotus
yeah those are the default bindings
oblique storm
They should make their own mnk that has a dpad on it
This surely has never been done before
stuck ravine
I don't think you understand 
I watched them fucking struggle, not once were they able to pull off the reinforcement so I eventually just resigned myself to waiting till they died.
honest acorn
The trick is really just learning how to mash them out really fast
I think I had reinforce down to like half a second or less in HD1
stuck ravine
I can on gamepad reliably sprint and create distance while hammering out the reinforcement, toss, and keep moving.
oblique lotus
I'm not saying that your friend didn't struggle but "this should be played by default with a gamepad" is a pretty strong take imo
stark ether
better take, rebind strategems to arrow keys
honest acorn
Honestly that might work really well
oblique lotus
and I don't need to create distance because I can call in strats quickly
I've heard good things about arrow keys
stuck ravine
I tried to hint at that too, before just eventually going "use a gamepad"
daring monolith
Arrow keys works well for me
stark ether
cus you can keep distance with movement while not aiming
rapid scaffold
I 100000% prefer mouse and keyboard
strange vine
better take, rebind strategems to arrow keys
this is what i did
oblique lotus
I don't need to keep distance when I can input this quickly
stuck ravine
I admittedly am also coming from a place where even with PC games I prefer a gamepad with shooters.
strange vine
also yeah mouse + keyboard is just stupidly superior to any sort of gamepad
for shooters
stuck ravine
Like I outright refuse to play Halo Infinite without a gamepad.
strange vine
you cannot match the same sort of accuracy with a mouse
stuck ravine
I play FF14 with a gamepad, unless I'm roleplaying.
strange vine
aside from gyro stuff
if youre more used to gamepad more power to you
but the main reason why you usually didnt have crossplay between PC and console games in competitive shooters was because mouse and keyboard users would wreck console players
stuck ravine
But yes, watching my friend struggled I just eventually switched from swap keybinding to use gamepad for advice. That and advising them to focus on bugs until they unlocked the higher difficulties which seems to open more mission types.
strange vine
and in darktide its very clear when someones using a gamepad with how slow they turn, especially
(and theyre often the load in the team too)
stuck ravine
Since with the bots for whatever reason trivial and easy just results in evac...evac missions everywhere.
honest acorn
but the main reason why you usually didnt have crossplay between PC and console ...
This is sort of inverted in some games
oblique lotus
what diff were yall playing on?
honest acorn
Gamepad is dominant in Apex for example
stuck ravine
Easy
oblique lotus
apex aim assist is nuts
stuck ravine
Evac is broken though, so not exactly the best experience for a new player.
honest acorn
The bugged defend missions put out of a lot of BS, I can crank out strats very quickly and frequently would run into 30-60 segments where I just didn't have a good time to (with 2 people admittedly, which is basically pissing in the ocean)
strange vine
apex aim assist is nuts
aim assist is the only reason why console even approaches kbm and at a certain point youre barely even aiming
stuck ravine
One of my friends is still insistent that he thinks it isn't just cause Arrowhead hasn't mentioned it...but if it wasn't broken it wouldn't list a 40 minute timer before start, along with other objectives.
And dropships just constantly showing up
When normally they shouldn't
oblique lotus
even if it isn't bugged it's far more difficult than it should be
honest acorn
I think that one is bugged in some way
oblique lotus
civvies are expendable
strange vine
i heard the hmg emplacement is good but i havent used it myself
unreal merlin
....And had to advise him to switch to gamepad (seriously this game needs to jus...
The 
move is to just rebind the Stratagem directional keys to your arrow keys, leaving WASD for movement while your other hand can go ⬆️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ➡️ while still running around.
stuck ravine
Yeah, it's what I tried to do and if they were able to get reinforcement out quickly I would have kept doing that but with the long gaps of them just running eventually we were fucked
oblique lotus
you get as many as you want and them dying barely costs anything
so spam them and worst case they soak up some bullets
honest acorn
The mixed objective version doesn't seem to be remotely as hard
stuck ravine
Some dumbass rando kept throwing the mines in the center of the map near two of the bunkers, and I had to keep fucking pausing to spend several mags clearing a path for the civvies just for them to do it again
honest acorn
augh
oblique lotus
just run the civvies through
stuck ravine
After I made a point of placing both of my mines on the outskirts by the entrances into the compound.
honest acorn
My worst one was a run with someone just spamming the super wide arty barrages
Couldn't do much of anything most of the time
stuck ravine
I eventually popped off in the text chat at the rando and got them to stop. ....Keep in mind I'm playing on the PS5
rotund marten
The bugged defend missions put out of a lot of BS, I can crank out strats very q...
Maybe I'm a masochist but I really want to do one of those on 9
Love a grueling holdout
Managed 7, that's doable at least
I think you can't run regular mortar because it will kill the civvies, so I think you spam EMS mortar, recoilless rifle, smoke and something like railgun or 500kg for tanks
unreal merlin
Smoke stratagems are such good value.
oblique lotus
you can run the regular mortar if you're willing to accept some civilian losses
unreal merlin
At first you'd think "why smoke when I can blow them up instead", but no - smoke is awesome.
oblique lotus
and the firepower is very welcome