huh I just realized, you can't get Legendary on jormuntide ignis can you
#Palworld
carmine finch
Correct
However
It's probably only temporary
As with how breeding works
Assuming game continues being developed, they'll likely add more pals to make the breed down possible
actually lemme look at the spreadsheet
yep
so basically
the reason it's not really a thing currently is Jormuntide and Jormuntide Ignis sit about 5 away from eachother on the full range of 10-1500
where Jormuntide is at 310 and Jormuntide Ignis is at 315
then, subsequently
Reptyro sits at 320, 5 above Jormuntide Ignis
Actually I take that back
they aren't using a formula apparently
it's just uniquely programmed combos to make the variants
so literally they just need to add it to the game at some point 
river talon
I find it kinda funny that this means you can technically make a better fire type water jormuntide than the fire jormuntide
because you can get flame emperor and legendary on it
carmine finch
yeah so double checking, because goofing myself there for a moment (I thought they would have made a complex formula to calculate breed things, including legendaries and variants)
the normal formula is the hidden power of each parent averaged together = the pal with the closest hidden power rounded down, with the exception of variants + legendaries
where for a number of pals, mainly variants and legendaries, they have unique combinations that will breed that specific pal
ignoring the hidden power used for the normal breeding formula
carmine finch
I find it kinda funny that this means you can technically make a better fire typ...
let me work it out and I'll get back to you on that
river talon
https://palworld.kimpton.io/ you know this exists right
carmine finch
STAB = ~20% element boost
Jormuntide Ignis has STAB on Fire due to being Fire (+~20% Fire)
Jormuntide does not
Jormuntide Ignis can not get Legend or Flame Emperor (20% all damage and 20% fire damage)
Jormuntide Ignis Best in Passive would be Lucky/Hooligan/Sadist (15%), Musclehead (30%), Ferocious (20%), Hooligan/Sadist/Lucky (15%) + STAB would be a total of-
100% boost to Fire Damage Attacks
Jormuntide Best in Passive would be Musclehead (30%), Legend (20%), Ferocious (20%), and Flame Emperor (20%), for a total of-
90% boost to Fire Damage Attacks
so because Jormuntide does not get the STAB, Jormuntide Ignis does 10% more Fire Damage
river talon
I thought STAB wasn't a thing?
carmine finch
It is a thing, same with IVs
that being said
IVs are datamined
STAB is just conclusion based on testing some people did
well
it is a thing probably
I use it in theory builds
but ultimately if STAB doesn't exist
then Jormuntide beats Ignis with a 10% overhead
Also there's still this
river talon
Also trying to decide which pal I wanna use for a laser carrier
carmine finch
where Fire/Dragon might be best element combination, compared to Water/Dragon
river talon
preferably one that has a bonus from just being in the team
carmine finch
I haven't looked at teamcomps, but there's definitely a bunch of different ideas
river talon
dazzi/daedream so they're out at all times is a choice, but problem there is when you try and catch something
keen shore
I've switched out my daedream/dazzi team with ones the buff my current mount like rooby and seakelp ignis for my suzaku and I feel it's more consistent
My 4th slot is lyleen for healing when I'm injured and 5th is galeclaw cause I love it
river talon
galeclaws probably a permanent entry in my team
carmine finch
keen shore
Galeclaw is very convenient even compared to a giga glider, and it's sort of like a better dodge for certain attacks
carmine finch
Stuff like this, where they increase attack power of other pals in your team could theoretically let you insanely buff 1 pal at the cost of other pal slots
river talon
also that it doesn't use your stamina is a big one
because if you misjudge it and fall in the water you can still swim
keen shore
Stuff like this, where they increase attack power of other pals in your team cou...
That's what I do, originally I wanted 4 fire buffers and it made a huge difference on my suzaku even with star 1 passive bonuses
river talon
Still not sure if hangyu is better or not though
keen shore
It nearly doubled my atk of suzaku iirc
Hangyu seemed a bit too slow for me and seems to use more stamina, I'd rather use a flying mount than hangyu
Galeclaw for some reason just seems a lot faster and seems to use less stamina
I just use galeclaw instead of sprinting
carmine finch
I don't think I'd ever use a glider pal
only exception would be if I had an resource run that I could 100% guarantee I needed no other mount
keen shore
I'd try out galeclaw since as a glider pal it's faster than sprinting around base
carmine finch
which would mean I'd need a teleporter that starts at the top of a mountan where from there it's only downhill->gliding to ore spots
river talon
I genuinely use my galeclaw almost as much as my flyer
keen shore
And you can glide a good distance on flat ground
river talon
because you just always go upwards along with forwards and just witch to gliding when your flyer runs out
and then you just hold F to remount soon after
carmine finch
too slow for me, I just use ground mount at that point
unless it's got some geometry I can abuse indefinitely but like
I've never had that
but then again I haven't properly tested with a glider
because if it has enough stamina and has almost no drop off, could use it to travel further than need
only issue is that like
I'd need an exact scenario for it
I think maybe I could get away with it for going to a boss spawn but hmm
keen shore
I don't like having to switch out pals, if they made it so you can keybind instant summons to each individual pal slot I'd probably use a ground mount more
Like fn1 to fn 5 keys
river talon
yeah and in most cases you can find a small bit to slide to go way faster with the galeclaw anyway
or you can just grapple it
keen shore
Yea grapple tech with galeclaw is fast for short distances but unreliable on servers ime
I can do it reliably in single player but it seems harder on servers
carmine finch
Grapple is so buggy for me I barely use it
mild zenith
Jetdragon dying from fall damage will never not be funny
what is not funny is killing a legendary Pal by accident with Burn
blazing ledge
has anyone gotten a solid strategy to beating and/or capturing the two horse pals in the desert that are level 50
blazing ledge
and/or doing damage to them to being viable to capture them
carmine finch
is I basically abuse status ailments (fire and poison both do percentage dot) and just spent the entire time dodging via use of personal dodge (I can't stand the dodge key being on control but I can't rebind it to ALT sadly, so I usually start straining my fingers after a bit), then I usually spam ultra spheres with the understanding of statistics and how capture chance works
blazing ledge
hm.
So I should look into DOT stuff.
augh that is the part I hate as I'm into guns now
carmine finch
yep
like my Lunaris might deal like
4 per tick of damage on a multi-hot attack against a Jetragon, with like 10-20 ticks, meaning I do like 40 damage
but if I successfully burn the Jetragon, it will take DOT damage of like 60 per tick
blazing ledge
so I gotta make a fire cross bow and posion too
blazing ledge
that is why I'm semi dreading it as it seems super RNG dependant
carmine finch
I've only used Pals to get statuses to proc
carmine finch
that is why I'm semi dreading it as it seems super RNG dependant
well, arguably, if you're good enough, you simply need to not get hit
because eventually, you will dot or wittle down the HP
the issue is uhh
the knights are 2 IIRC
carmine finch
my fights span like 2-3 days lmao
so only do that if you will confident you'll be quick enough
blazing ledge
and one time I Tried to fight them, one ended up like falling off the cliff and being chunked
carmine finch
if you have building deterioration turned off in your world settings
I would 100% fortnite it
and just like, build the arena around them
blazing ledge
I would but I were good at that
blazing ledge
how DOES the player attack stat affect weapons
mild zenith
has anyone gotten a solid strategy to beating and/or capturing the two horse pal...
Keep flying, don't dismond your flying Pal
I used JetDragon for it
blazing ledge
I do not have that one, my best bet is aybe beakon
mild zenith
I recommend giving that... basic toxic attack with very low CD
so you can keep applying poison
blazing ledge
where would I even get that...but thanks for the idea.
mild zenith
Yes that, i found is better to have ay least 1 very short CD skill equipped than 3 long CD skills in the long run
blazing ledge
it keeps DPS up yeah, it's why I normally have the air blast skill on most if not all my pals.
...unless I'm using my heavy hitter for quick burst
mild zenith
my heavy hitter is a 4 star lifmunk that I pop to use it's skill alongside the assault rifle
Amazing burst damage
mild zenith
Also I did it.
I captured all Pals and beat all bosses
Was a fun ride.
I still had to cheese Jatdragon by making him fall off a cliff to take a chunk of his HP tho
Lv50 stuff are WAY too bullet spongy
carmine finch
Legendary Spoilers but meme nonetheless
mild zenith
W-
Did it grew?!
H-
How
mild zenith
Fair
And yeah, absolutely bullet sponges
Even with Legendary Pump Shotgun and Legendary Assault Rifle
I never made the legendary Rocket Launcher tho
too much Pal Ingot
I wish they would sell Assault Rifle mags instead of raw ammo, AR eats ammo way too quickly, even with 999 Bullets on your inventory a boss fight can easily eat all of them up
carmine finch
I haven't gotten to a point using AR ammo is worth it
I'm only lvl 40 so when I fight lvl 50s it's better for me to just dodge and use status effects like burn or poison
mild zenith
Yeah, I wish there were other ways to directly tell your Pal what to do instead only when you mount them, it's fun.
carmine finch
IIRC you can remove the skills so they only have 1 skill
Granted
They still have their battle AI which might dance for like
A minute lol
mild zenith
I mean.
Yes.
but i meant in a way to mitigate the dance ai
Shame there is no Legendary Single Shot Rifle , only Legendary Handgun
blazing ledge
is there any way to datamine the game to see which blueprints exist for stuff like that?
or using a spawn menu or whatever since I atleast want to be sure I am not wasting my time for blueprints of like...the pump action shotgun
mild zenith
is there any way to datamine the game to see which blueprints exist for stuff li...
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/palworld-all-legendary-schematics/ in game we have these
blazing ledge
oh so it's that one I Gotta fight.
okay I'm...happy that I'm not wasting my time then.
since i 100% think the pump action shotgun is honestly too good
blazing ledge
considering I'm only working towards non-flyers, I'll look into it
huh so there is no legendary melee weapon then
carmine finch
Depends
Have you been leveling your attack stat?
Cause if so, Hands could be legendary
blazing ledge
no, my attack is still the same
mild zenith
Cause if so, Hands could be legendary
wait what
hand damage is good if you pump your atk?
blazing ledge
which yeah I never did get an answer for
Is the attack stat influencing anything
I assume yes but ...I want the math
blazing ledge
because at this point with the changes to weight, I might take points out of my carryweight and slap that into attack.
mild zenith
time to drink the forget juice
blazing ledge
sure I Could get workspeed but...I dunno I use stamina and HP way more than I Do getting in and working
blazing ledge
yeah figured.
I imagine if you stack motivational leader with it though, it does do some work
plus if it means I can actually do more damage to end game bosses, I'd probably do it honestly. Only doing 1 point of damage per pellet on the shotgun is just feels bad
thought right now I have to wait till the server admin restarts out server since our pals are all acting weird and not acting right
mild zenith
honestly a 4 star pal for work speed is more worth it if the player gets it
like, is always better just leave a pal to stand still and hold F while you gather drops
steep mica
Also I did it.
I captured all Pals and beat all bosses
Was a fun ride.
even the last tower boss?
mild zenith
even the last tower boss?
The blind one? Yes
steep mica
The blind one? Yes
how'd you beat ||victor + shadowbeak||? ive been stuck bc not enough dps output
i get timed out
mild zenith
Jetdragon mount, switching between it, Paladius + 4star Lifmunk pal skill+ Anubis for burst
And Legendary Pump SHotty + Legendary Assault Rifle
Lovander was there for life steal but I didn't use her much
And stack effects, poison deals % damage if I am not mistaken
Jetdragon had Poison Blast , 2CD so you can spam it
mild zenith
Burn has costed me capturing a Paladius once but ye
100% grab very short CD skills so you can spam and keep the DOT
blazing ledge
odd question...is there a dark dragon?
mild zenith
yes
mild zenith
odd question...is there a dark dragon?
||https://paldex.io/palworld/pals/astegon/|| we have this slow fuck
don't-
Don't use him for transportation
It's so slow
blazing ledge
no no...I am looking into fighting with it
carmine finch
Can't believe they ripped off Palworld smh
steep mica
true
severe ocean
I bred up a pair of Anubis for me and my friend on the world we've been playing on
steep mica
i should do this
i feel so bad for my icebox pal whenever i see them asleep on the floor
like their sanity is at 100 but they just look depressed
severe ocean
I use the ice version of the electric hedgehog, he looks happy
steep mica
i use one of the legendaries with higher power cooling
river talon
What does higher power cooling even do
carmine finch
200 minutes per level
keen shore
Doesn't cooling require the pal to be constantly there?
I only know it for the cooler and fridge
blazing ledge
yeah
steep mica
yeah
when the pal leaves it goes back to the normal timer
there are some pals who only do cooling, though
https://old.reddit.com/r/Palworld/comments/1akc9lx/after_120_hours_140_items_crafted_and_over_65/ unrelated
blazing ledge
Nails.
keen shore
I've been selling nails
Apparently construction is lucrative in palworld
It is I believe post war so makes sense
blazing ledge
well off I got to turn into a nail farmer
keen shore
I believe like 300 nails sells for 30000 coins
With an iron farm you'll have tons of coins
Good for buying medicine and ammo
Bones and leather
blazing ledge
I need the ammo yeah
keen shore
And high quality pal fluids goated merchant
blazing ledge
my issue is farming schematics, do they only drop post catch or post kill
mild zenith
Assault Rifle is a hungry boy, needs lots of ammo
carmine finch
carmine finch
I will say the uhh
Breeding farm sleeping forever thing is uhh
Was a real bug and the way its described is def more tragic than it sounds
carmine finch
steep mica
what the fuck lol
mild zenith
I love it
severe ocean
Glad that capture rate will actually increase normally now
I ended up cranking the capture rate to max on my server
mild zenith
oh shit it will go up now? Nice
Finally
No more 10 Legendary Spheres for Jetdragon
river talon
it'll go up now, but the amount is still insanely low
a mega sphere has a capture power of 12, iirc each rank gives 0.5 capture power
steep mica
which chillet are you today
keen shore
I do like the expressions in palworld it feels very personable
I love the adorable and friend shaped early game pals cause they're just a delight to have on your team
Unfortunately the better ones tend to be the sharp angy type of design
mild zenith
which chillet are you today
6, easily
Also damn I never noticed they have so many emotions
river talon
any recommends for some fun pals in terms of unique skills
carmine finch
I think Mossanda is pretty cool
river talon
Am I just misunderstanding something with IV's, I have one with a 99 attack 92 def IV, breeding with a 37 99
how did they make one with 11
carmine finch
IVs are random IIRC
river talon
I thought it took the range between the two breeds
river talon
oh there we go I think the 11 is just a bug because I just got another one that had 99 99
carmine finch
Apparently there's some randomness to it
Idk the math myself but looking at some social media, apparently on the best chance for optimal stats + passive is 1/3000 or something
river talon
it is very annoying that it's a 99% on both due to ocd but it doesn't matter
carmine finch
river talon
finally
severe ocean
What Depresso are you today?
blazing ledge
9
keen shore
Also 9
river talon
what do ya'lls teams look like at the moment
carmine finch
CW: legendary spoilers
||2 jetragons, 1 inferam noct, 1 vanwyrm for travel, 1 lunaris, 1 anubis||
this is not the team I would take 100%, I just am not level 50 and do not have all the pals I want required for breeding
keen shore
I'm like 40 but Suzaku, Rooby, Kelpsea Ignis, Lyleen, Galeclaw
Sometimes I swap lyleen and galeclaw for extra rooby or Kelpsea for bosses
Suzaku is an alpha so it's sort of tanky and makes a decent one pal that does almost everything like fly and figbt
Lyleen for healing cause that's very rare
Galeclaw for convenience
And the other 2 to buff suzakus attacks
river talon
my current team, the hangyu has 2 lasers and a dragon meteor
mainly been trying to find more pals with cool unique attacks like orserk
river talon
lol managed to stack farm plots
keen shore
Is this the vertical farming ive been hearing about
river talon
no clue, wouldn't surprise me if other people found it
these two mods look like a must have
carmine finch
https://www.reddit.com/r/PalWorldEngineering/s/Oa3qN4B2Uf
@keen shore
@river talon
this is the thing I posted earlier that Sevens might be referring to
river talon
neat, I used the bench rather than whatever that tire is from
river talon
yeah
genuinely surprised they tried the tire before the bench
also you don't need to staircase it like that
river talon
hm can't decide if a dedicated cooler is worth it
blazing ledge
if you make food, you can leave it in the cooking thing till you wanna pull it out, and it won't spoil.
Cake in the breeding pen won't spoil.
river talon
also decided to make the coal and ore spot workable as a base
oh my god I figured out something really neat
first, anubis can go through doors, secondly, they don't open doors on their own so you can just close the door to areas you don't want them to go, like for example the stone quarry
river talon
niiiiice
keen shore
You have unused stat points
keen shore
first, anubis can go through doors, secondly, they don't open doors on their own...
That's a good idea for stone quarry togglw
river talon
yeah, you have to do a bigger area than you had to do for the stair method though
cause they can and will just quarry through the wall if it's close enough
keen shore
Ah I see I've got reptyros with big mining hitboxes and the same base location so spaceis at premium
river talon
I mean I have a reptyros cryo running around fine
keen shore
I didn't even know there were reptyros cyro
The fact they don't pad out the paldeck with the difference types of a pal with a separate number is pretty nice
And no evolutions makes the paldeck bigger than you'd expect
river talon
There's a variant of most things
even gumoss
||It has a flower instead of a leaf, that's all that changes||
blazing ledge
with the assistance of a friend, I Captured Necromus. However, Paladinus seemingly just faded out.
river talon
Good luck, that variant is extremely rare and doesn't even have its own entry afaik
It's such a good boy though
keen shore
Huh didn't know there were gummoss variants
blazing ledge
it's not really a true variant, since the gumoss is...like weird plant substrate. So it could grow the flower.
Would be funny to get a gumoss that just grows a lettuce on it's head though
keen shore
I'm surprised they don't have a gummoss with a weed bud
blazing ledge
god I hope they don't let them buy.
this is the kind of thing where palworld would end up pretty bland if so
keen shore
Same
The guy who runs the company seems pretty cool his motivation to make palworld was basically "we want to just make good games" which is how they recovered from craftopia by taking any and all criticisms and improving on it regardless of how they felt aboit it
Very much putting the players first
I've heard a lot of good things about the company work culture itself
blazing ledge
Plus it would basically be "oh microsoft made palworld."
and not pocketpair.
like I could and can see pocketpair just making an absolute banger of a game with time
keen shore
They learned a ton of lessons from craftopia, they historically have not been great at being experienced devs
So new things might be rough at first until they learn to fix it
royal prairie
keen shore
I love the silly looking guy gets a weapon of mass destruction as a treat
Maybe I should try out the mount pal abilities
river talon
any suggestions for pals to use when farming dungeons
steep mica
lol
keen shore
Finally someone that speaks my language
steep mica
this is so much
keen shore
I am investing in the letter w
steep mica
carmine finch
blazing ledge
yeah, it's just one of those things where people overhype "BUT PLAYER BASE IS DROPPING" for some reason as if that's...a big reasoning at all?
keen shore
I'm guessing they finished the game, I pretty much did
blazing ledge
I'm actually doing another run myself with a endgame type of goal.
river talon
yeah, it's just one of those things where people overhype "BUT PLAYER BASE IS DR...
"playerbase is dropping" it's still holding steady at the second highest amount of CCU on steam only getting beat by cs2 :v
steel summit
Who knew people still liked Palling around
E: how's the win state in the game? Is there an overall plot?
mild zenith
No plot
'win state' is capturing all pals and defeating the 4 bosses towers (boss battles)
Lv49 to lv50 ||which is the max lv|| everything starts to get more bullet spongy and hit way harder so prepare yourself and start to rely more on mount pals to survive and deal damage
And of course
Sell nails
And to farm rocket ammo go to the desert
They should look something like this
keen shore
Who knew people still liked Palling around
E: how's the win state in the game? I...
There's like a meta plot via random journals
steep mica
They should look something like this
extremely good thank you
steep mica
No plot
'win state' is capturing all pals and defeating the 4 bosses towers (bos...
5 boss towers
mild zenith
5 boss towers
yes that, I always forget about rich asshole
steep mica
huh, i would have thought victor would be the forgotten one
but i guess theyre both in pretty far corners of the map
carmine finch
blazing ledge
they nerfed nails into nothing. pain. now its pizza.
oh shit they added temperature stacking now. you can put 4 campfires (based on the notes) close to each other to get the temperature up for eggs.
mild zenith
Making Electric Heater even more useless
keen shore
Electric heaters shouldnt need a pal
It should you know, use electricity
And just electricity
balmy dagger
where does it get the electricity from
river talon
electric heaters should use charge from the battery things that crafting stuff uses
carmine finch
nice
blazing ledge
Can't wait to be the only one to capture it
mild zenith
999 Legendary spheres go!
keen shore
So like WOW type raids?
I haven't read it but what's the max player count for a raid?
blazing ledge
no details on it yet sadly
carmine finch
🔥
blazing ledge
oh, oh shit that IS 🔥
keen shore
I'm pretty sure it's cause Zoey is the first named female character but no love for Lyleen
Her intro is always so fun
mild zenith
That ring will be perfect
keen shore
Dang that's a huge patch
I see you ore base
Making that one hill base location obsolete I'm tearing down that thing
blazing ledge
Damn right, that one "I have a dedicated ore mining location"
super early game makes that not neceesary.
So good now.
keen shore
I love the automaton patches basically this time
The base mining spot, electric egg incubator automatically adjusting temps, and refined and regular pal fluids are farmable at ranch
Oh and seeing how many pals you've captured when throwing a sphere
Better building
Pals will transport crafted goods
And you can change what tasks pals can do? Good patch
blazing ledge
this is a quality update.
kinda wish I had waited on doing my partner pal series, but oh well.
river talon
Only thing I want from the stone/ore quarry is being able to limit how much is farmed
cause I feel like it'll be a crapshoot whether they farm ore or stone when you throw both down
keen shore
Yea that makes sense
blazing ledge
There is a way to do it, but it requires you to use doors/restrict how they move.
But having like "You only work ore, and you only work stone" is just a nicer refinement that they missed on
severe ocean
You could also have the ore and stone in two separate bases
keen shore
What's the tldr
carmine finch
@keen shore I can now provide update notes as they are released
https://preview.redd.it/sakurajima-update-time-provisional-patch-notes-v0-yh0bexl6qv8d1.png?width=649&format=png&auto=webp&s=f83b769f701ac2124dad712be6126656019a72b8
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keen shore
Huh neat I wonder what crude oil will be used for besides I'm assuming better weapons and armor
carmine finch
it's a resource that if you gain too many, palmerica will attempt to invade you and democratize you
keen shore
Also Nocturnal is really neat
Philanthropist trait did not do what I expected it to do at all
keen shore
carmine finch
Some of the new stuff in palworld is so nice
There's a sulfur and coal mining thingy now you can build
keen shore
They do really listen to their players which is nice
Gonna give it a year before I hop back in and come back to a brand new game to me
river talon
yeah same
not having to deal with the horrible pathfinding of the couple really nice sulfur/coal spots is gonna be nice though
keen shore
Depresso my beloved
sage carbon
omg i love these i could punt them
maiden portal
ive heard the new update broke the game
balmy dagger
Terraria update?
keen shore
Is that out?
balmy dagger
lol idk
maiden portal
basicly what happened is i think palworld changed their ball stuff cause nintendo and it broke stuff