I do like that courting her is a stilted and slightly awkward process but happens completely on her own terms
#warhammer 40,000: rogue trader
cosmic thunder
wary topaz
Its intended to be very 'courtly'
bitter pollen
Also it seems like a bad idea to be too forward with the woman who responds to strong emotions by accidentally killing 8% of your crew
stone hawk
||Chunk of them were probably Genestealers anyways.||
dapper condor
||i would actuamly enjoy a gene stealer companion||
cosmic thunder
shhh, Ian Watson might hear you
dapper condor
Argenta would be fuming
jovial anvil
At some point I wonder how we still have crew
safe surge
You pick more up every time you visit a planet/station with people, probably
jovial anvil
crew of theseus
although that raises the question of how we have clans forming in certain areas dedicated to certain things
safe surge
Yeah, I think there is some narrative dissonance there
But I guess her clans are good at incorporating new people, but not between clans?
civic musk
If I had to confabulate an explanation, I would go for “veterans and clan members die at much, much lower rates than relatively new blood” + “this is a particularly tumultuous moment in the ship’s history”
lavish lagoon
oh my *god*
Tervantias?
grizzled wolf
No no Yymerys
lavish lagoon
Oh that's not even the final boss
grizzled wolf
Ough……
lavish lagoon
Or is it?
I forget when you fight tervantias
Ohhh you fight him later in act 4 but you do meet him in act 3
Yeah ymeryss is the final boss
I don't really remember her
grizzled wolf
It’s fine I just needed to retreat some
The position that the fight seems to want to take place in is
Really bad
OH my god i got her what the fuck was that
grizzled wolf
What's your build and team comp?
to answer tho
and im an operative sniper bounty hunter
jovial anvil
I played operative hunter and felt utterly useless
jovial anvil
I played back im launch though
lavish lagoon
The double sniper team could be a bit rough yeah
bitter pollen
i haven't gotten the Lex DLC so the bird portrait was a fun surprise
lavish lagoon
No psyker is also a bit harder to deal with stuff
Especially since drukhari get obliterated by Warp damage
grizzled wolf
Especially since drukhari get obliterated by Warp damage
Cassia fills the role
lavish lagoon
I can never leave the house without a biomancer to heal whenever I run my whole party through a trap
grizzled wolf
Yeaaaah
lavish lagoon
Owlcat loves putting traps in games for no narrative benefit
jovial anvil
Cassia wrecked that fight for me
stone hawk
Never found RT's traps all that threatening. All they do is make me spend a couple seconds slapping medkits on people.
jovial anvil
I disabled most
stone hawk
Oh yeah I disarm most but sometimes characters move funky and their like pinky toe touches a trap so it goes off.
jovial anvil
Yeah, the electric traps in the abandoned ship were particularly bad for that
solemn grove
oh huh this exists
solemn grove
kibellah should eat yymerys for lunch esp w/ cassia buffs, how do you have her built?
argenta should also oneturn
grizzled wolf
.........
solemn grove
you also get PA in commoraugh and its one of the best sets in the game
solemn grove
also what diff are you on?
grizzled wolf
the accuracy on the bursts isnt really enough to chunk down one guy really well
uhhh the one right above the default - basically core
tight flare
Did you do the classic arch militant and all that
grizzled wolf
well you also cant one turn ymerys
tight flare
Hrmmm
I guess smaller model size may reduce burst effectiveness but yeah unsure what the issue is
grizzled wolf
how long ago did you play
solemn grove
last month
grizzled wolf
cause i heard they superbuffed her at some poi- okay yeah idkt then
solemn grove
though I was also running very optimized builds for both my trader and argenta which would be part of it
grizzled wolf
anyway sadly i am not getting chewing through 600 hp in a single round from any of my boys without abusing some officer mechanics
tight flare
I built argenta for multi meltas in my playthrough so the rapid fire madness isn't actually something I'm familiar with
She did still slaughter everything she saw tho
grizzled wolf
mostly because the officer extra turn spam is like
legit busted
imo
i am choosing not to use it lol
solemn grove
if you get her to half
Figured it out I straight up skipped her invuln
tight flare
Fair!
solemn grove
took her from 350 to 0 in one go so it didn't trip
solemn grove
yeah
grizzled wolf
.... with who??
solemn grove
argenta
grizzled wolf
one burst or literally a single bullet
solemn grove
single bullet
solemn grove
iirc it interrupts bursts
solemn grove
need is a strong word but the game gets considerably easier after act 2
grizzled wolf
i havent really felt like im built wrong so far and ive finally got kibbles doing like
oh yeah this is like
the only fight ive struggled with
since auroua
aurora
solemn grove
I can go find a cookiecutter build if you're interested
tight flare
also to be fair i did the fight on my second try
This seems reasonable for a boss fight
Id say you are doing fine
Instantly leaping upon and violently massacring everything you see is both possible and decently fun, but something is lost
tight flare
Yeeeee
grizzled wolf
that being said
my RT bounty hunter is easily doing like
400-500 damage if set up right
she just uh
was instantly turbo murdered
in my first attempt at the fight
solemn grove
This seems reasonable for a boss fight
Id say you are doing fine
Instantly leap...
yeah I think generally the fact that every fight is a foregone conclusion really messes with the storytelling because it takes a lot of the stakes out of the setpieces
grizzled wolf
i do wish blowing up the stifler had more impact
solemn grove
the big turret ambush and the spoilers:void shadow ||emperor fight|| lose a lot of their charm when you can clear them first activation
tight flare
My rt was warrior assassin and managed some crazy numbers
And moreover was Unpossible to hit
The closest I got to losing a fight in the later acts was a bunch of hyper accurate eldar snipers that downed every party member but her and Abelard
And those two solod it themselves by just tanking every shot
solemn grove
Ulfar used to have like one alternate armor and four alternate weapons and now he has a bunch and he got a fat stat boost
Abelard kinda falls off because Ulfar is just Abelard but better and also because tanking in RT is kinda worse than just killing things
twin anchor
Aww
solemn grove
death is the best CC etc
twin anchor
Not sure if I should go Warrior or Blade Dancer stuff for my melee run...
solemn grove
also abelard stops fucking introducing you
bladedancer if you want the game to be easy
tight flare
But also you can tank very well if you do right still
solemn grove
you can but why would you when you can kill in the emperors name
grizzled wolf
yeah my abe and ulfar are both unkillable gods
tight flare
My rt was warrior assassin and managed some crazy numbers
And moreover was Unpos...
In case you lose the init-off with the other team playing rocket tag!
solemn grove
grand strategist what is initiative?
tight flare
I admittedly did not have a grand strategist because the zone stuff deeply bored me
twin anchor
have u played with VS before
I played right when the game came out,hadn't played with any expansions.
grizzled wolf
oh okay so
you get a companion who is bladedancer
and its... not really the kind of thing where you can have two bladedancers who play super different
since they have to use swords
solemn grove
you can, psyker vs non psyker
lavish lagoon
mostly because the officer extra turn spam is like
you can only get one extra turn per character per round so its not infinitely broken
grizzled wolf
you can, psyker vs non psyker
fair
actually with the psy swords that wouldnt be bad
lavish lagoon
IMO the most broken extra turn thing is extra turning a warrior, having the warrior use a full round of actions, then having them use their own heroic to completely refill AP
Especially when that warrior is a executioner psyker heinrix
stone hawk
Chainsaw or Pyro staff go brrrr
grizzled wolf
so why is executioner heinrix busted
solemn grove
chainsaw
stone hawk
Pyro staff also works
lavish lagoon
even without chainsaw, just being able to use that one ability that applies like 10 DoT ticks in one burst from ignite or hammer of the emperor explodes most things
stone hawk
Probably even better as Warp Burn is an extra DoT
solemn grove
IMO the most broken extra turn thing is extra turning a warrior, having the warr...
My usual "bounce" was using extra turn to fill out the momentum bar, then using GT Ult 1 to give the carry a full action and then they'd clear on that activation
chainsaw multihit with executioner DoT on hit is a monster
esp once you get to all the self-buffs heinrix can stack with psyker disciplines
twin anchor
Chainsaw? Like a chainsword?
stone hawk
It's a melee burst weapon
grizzled wolf
the low as hell damage per hit drove me off
twin anchor
I was looking at Psyker Bladedancer. Sanctic or Divination to start.
solemn grove
pyromancer
lavish lagoon
Plus all the biomancer/pyromancer "take a billion stacks of fire/poison" effects
solemn grove
set yourself on fire, body of flames + the one that does your burning damage on hit + other shit means that bladedancer's 90 bajillion attacks multiply your DoT by stupid values
lavish lagoon
Sanctic just for the aoe is solid
stone hawk
set yourself on fire, body of flames + the one that does your burning damage on ...
Orcastrate Flames
lavish lagoon
The rocksaws get insane with basically anything that scales flat per hit
solemn grove
though pyromancer/bladedancer is the highest damage output player character build in the game afaik
it's stupid
stone hawk
Pyro/Bio Psyker can get all DoTs with the Pyro staff as Exe
twin anchor
I suppose pryo wouldn't be bad, just wasn't the one on the brain. XD
solemn grove
orchestrate flames is silly
stone hawk
Bleeding from Exe passive, Burn from Orchestrate Flames, Poison from one of the Bio passives, and Warp Burn from the Pyro staff
solemn grove
the designed level of competence
yeah you absolutely do not need this shit to clear
I think the only case for optimization I will say is kitting Jae out as a skillbot so you can pass checks and get more text
lavish lagoon
My heinrix ended the game with warp speed, invigorate, iron arm, ignite, firestorm, and word of the emperor, enfeeble and forewarning
solemn grove
combat stuff can be cleared in a wide variety of ways
stone hawk
Cold Trader's Acumen is so silly
lavish lagoon
I think the only case for optimization I will say is kitting Jae out as a skillb...
Not having Jae would have made me miserable, she's so good
safe surge
I don't like how difficulty scales skill checks lol
solemn grove
oh also with st cognatius' scriptures you can use her lore imperium to boost crit damage vs xenos and deaemons which is very extremely funny
safe surge
I guess it is secretly a combat difficulty buff because you probably want to spend more points on the skill ups
lavish lagoon
Ok so I believe these are all the pieces of "heinrix kills god"
Ghost helm is insane
solemn grove
eyes of joyeuse also work
grizzled wolf
Ohhh yeah
lavish lagoon
Ghost helm scales crazy
Eyes is better if you arent doing cheese, but if you have Jae just take pot shots at a max dodge heinrix with ghost helm you can hit 50+ psy rating
grizzled wolf
I guess speccin him into pyro is also one of the only non-item based ways to trigger that executioner thing with someone having every DOT
solemn grove
which executioner thing?
generally speakign stuff doesn't live long enough to accumulate every dot
lavish lagoon
All Jae really did for me was shoot at Henrix, give buffs and extra turns, and have these skills lol
lavish lagoon
which executioner thing?
Where it Hurts + ignite
solemn grove
ah
safe surge
Does Backdraft trigger off of Orchestrate Flames buffed attacks?
Wait, disregard, I can't read
stone hawk
Don't think so
lavish lagoon
Act 5 you also get this pretty insane rifle for an arch militant
I think it ended up being better than any heavy bolter I had
tight flare
...... would argenta use this,
lavish lagoon
If you gave her las training maybe
And all the las buffs
You get it so close to the final boss that I never got a great sense of if it was actually doing more damage than the best heavy bolter I had
Its hard to tell when both of them still pretty much kill anything they get pointed at
twin anchor
Ghost helm scales crazy
I am shocked they never put a cap on ghost helm.
lavish lagoon
I am shocked they never put a cap on ghost helm.
It does reset after 1 turn, but rarely do you need 2 turns
solemn grove
...... would argenta use this,
not really imo, her bolt weapon specific shenanigans scale better and while you could do a full respec in act 5...why?
you pick that up in the final dungeon iirc
also her endgame bolter starts with twice the RoF and argenta scales more off of attacks made than flat weapon damage
tight flare
Oh no I just meant
She's the shoe in arch militant but she'd be wigged out by Xeno-modified guns
stone hawk
Act 5 you also get this pretty insane rifle for an arch militant
||Sadly the game is basically over when you get this. Sad fate for most Act 5 gear, nothing to really use it on.||
solemn grove
well you don't tell her it's necron tech
grizzled wolf
no spoilers cause im just at the start of act 4 but
man nomos is REALLY interesting
and feels like hes gonna be the final boss
grizzled wolf
coughing at being given the option to marry cassia
solemn grove
look im just saying from a dynastic perspective its a really good idea
grizzled wolf
Nah I both
Know what it is
Inky took it from me
grizzled wolf
I do kinda love that like
It’s so overwhelmingly powerful
With no immediate consequences
It’s kinda a funny bit of like
Storytelling
With mechanics
solemn grove
Yeah its great
grizzled wolf
Like yeah this’ll fucking rock for like…. The foreseeable future
solemn grove
Less good for smart characters which is a little disapointing
But on a meathead the stat swap is nutty
grizzled wolf
Yeah it’s nutty
I
Didn’t mean to say
The same thing you did
It’s- it’s a good thing
Yeah
I also like how…. Kinda genuinely fucked up the manor is
Like he’s degenerated so bad he can’t even keep up the illusion of humanity anymore
I’m so curious how old he is
hardy tinsel
Halo Device :(
twin anchor
Look, it has Halo in the name, it can't be bad 😛
grizzled wolf
It won’t be for about 100 years!
wary topaz
Yremeryss did have a habit, around release, of just going first and downing two party members with her pistol burst
Executioner has received some netfs but is still really strong
I ran a suboptimal varient of the executioner Pyro, it was fun!
I was running a heretic, so I had turn 1 kills have a 25% chance to phenomena, and the cuirass of phenomena=+1 PR
And ran around molten beaming people
Executioner is really fun for being a gremlin tbh
The way that biophysical distortion interacts with toxic burst weapons and executioner is busted
Or was, cant remember if it changed
jovial anvil
Jae and my character went down turn 1, but cassia and Abelard tanked everything and came out on top
Marazhai and argenta were the other two I think
civic musk
I always found Ymeryss pretty manageable
cosmic thunder
On normal the only minor roadblock I've encountered so far was the final boss of Kibellahs DLC
grizzled wolf
I always found Ymeryss pretty manageable
I was probably just being salty lol
grizzled wolf
Also
Got the skill where kibbles does all her blade dance’s in reverse again
Okay I get it now
Yeah she’s a bit OP
Also
Just looked at Jae’s origin properly
What the fuck
lavish lagoon
What about it?
grizzled wolf
Gunslinger is crazy good and no one else can get it and Cold Trader’s Acumen should be a feature for the MC lmao
lavish lagoon
Oh yeah
dim forge
yeah she just gets a bunch of unique bennies to make her build kinda work
lavish lagoon
Cold Trader's acumen basically solves 80% of skills
Gunslinger is good but I barely had her shoot stuff because officer bullshit is better
grizzled wolf
Gunslinger should just be a talent and I’m giving my RT CTA with toybox next run LMAO
Its just really weird a companion has that ability
Given how really strong it is, how good it would be ON THE PLAYER, and the fact that it scales with faction rep
solemn grove
yeah that's kinda the point
it's necessary on Jae to make her functional and would be comically busted on the RT
solemn grove
Yeah she’s a bit OP
oh that's not the OP part
it helps but it's typically not necessary
blade dance alone is cracked because it's 6 or 8 attacks in one go plus your normal attack plus DfA plus executioner flat damage
so you can blade dance into where it hurts normal attack and explode just about anything that doesn't have an invuln
grizzled wolf
wary topaz
Jae actually makes a pretty good master tactician, using fervour/inspire to stack damage on two RF weapons
grizzled wolf
That’s what I have her built as lol
civic musk
Yeah, I've only used her as Master Tactician
solemn grove
I ran her w/ overseer and the servo swarm is a good way to spread buffs
wary topaz
Overseer is very strong for buffing
jovial anvil
thats the new pet class right?
wary topaz
Yeah
It comes in the genders of dog, bird (murder), skulls, and bird (spooky)
Dog and bird are pretty meh
Bird (spooky) lets you target the pet with psychic powers and it relays them to all allies within 3 spaces of the pet.
Skulls does the same with non-psychic powers, and also spreads debuffs to enemies in range
So you make idira an overseer, cassia takes the first turn with grand strat, passes it to Idira, who drops Iron Arm/Warp Speed/Foresight on the party before the NPCs get to act.
spooky bird can also do things like redirect perils and phenomena onto the bird and any enemies nearby
grizzled wolf
Yeah bird spooky is fucking bananas insane
On idira
It makes her an insane healer too because Invig gets relayed
So it turns it from an okay single target heal to an AOE heal, pretty much the only one in the game
grizzled wolf
Hey uh
Yall might remember when I said I was getting great performance out of uh
Heinrix
So I figured out why and it does make me seem like an actual chimp
In terms of intelligence
So I…. Might have forgotten
That force weapons and power weapons are
Not the same thing
solemn grove
I mean he's okay with power weapons but you also definitely want to give him a force weapon
twin anchor
There's less force weapons in the game than I'd like sadly
solemn grove
they did just add a bunch in 1.5
including the "does DoT" ones for executioner bladedancer shenanigans
grizzled wolf
There's less force weapons in the game than I'd like sadly
I do wish there were force-not-swords
grizzled wolf
I mean he's okay with power weapons but you also definitely want to give him a f...
Yes but uh
Switching took him from doing like 50 damage to like 200 a swing
wary topaz
Rocksaws may have been a mistake
grizzled wolf
The rock saw is something I’ll try on like a PC or something sometime lol
wary topaz
Honestly it mostly just seems to be a win more option
grizzled wolf
Well I don’t imagine it’s great on like… an operative
grizzled wolf
Yeahhhhg
stone hawk
There's less force weapons in the game than I'd like sadly
There's a hell of a lot more now then there used to be.
Used to only be like three and one of them was endgame Heretic only.
solemn grove
the new burn DoT ones are pretty cracked
pyro bladedancer executioner with both of them results in some disgusting things
civic musk
They did tone that down in the last big patch, iirc
solemn grove
not enough
my last run was on 1.5 and it was absurd
during the lex final boss I ignored the damage reduction mechanic through sheer dps
jovial anvil
Dog and bird are pretty meh
Shame I like dogs
wary topaz
Alas, I haven't figured out the way to do do that
grizzled wolf
not for its like "enemies attack each other" stuff
but ive managed to make it a pretty good aoe chaff clear ability and a decent harasser
this is assuming you arent doing all the stuff where argenta and kibbles just instantly wipe the encounter
because in the face of that nothing is good lmao
civic musk
IMO you tend to reach a certain point in progression where switching the difficulty to Unfair becomes objectively correct
jovial anvil
what makes the dog bad?
solemn grove
what makes the dog bad?
dog isnt bad but it ends up in competition for buffs and actions with the really high octane damage dealers and it just can't compete
safe surge
Does a custom difficulty that is at least Daring difficulty still get you achievements? I perhaps irrationally hate that higher difficulties also make skill checks harder
grizzled wolf
I feel bad for not recruiting marzipan
But good lord it is just so difficult to justify
solemn grove
you're not missing that much
grizzled wolf
I’ll do it for my heretic run
jovial anvil
How does overseer work?
solemn grove
pet dependent
stone hawk
Depends on the pet. Officers and Operatives can pick Eagle or Servo Skull Swarm, Psykers can pick Raven, and Arbites can pick the dog.
Eagle can be sent after an enemy to attack it and trigger an attack of opportunity that can hit their allies.
Servo Skulls can be targeted with Officer buffs to give them to all allies in a 4 cell range around it or I think be targeted with Analyze from Operative to give exploits to all enemies in a 4 cell range.
Raven can be targeted by single target buff and debuff powers to apply them to the corresponding targets in a 4 cell range.
And the dog can be sicced on an enemy to do an attack and follow up on attacks from the Overseer.
There's some other things the pets can do but that is the like base abilities for them.
tight flare
I feel bad for not recruiting marzipan
tbh in my playthrough I did the whole alliance of convenience recruitment dialogue, got his help for that fight, took him to the hideout, and said 'yeah we're just going to shank you to death now brother'
'you ARE surrounded and outnumbered'
grizzled wolf
Yeah p much
Although that scene ends so fucking weirdly if you kill him
They seem to be like… surprised that you want to kill him lmao
tight flare
They seem to be like… surprised that you want to kill him lmao
Your subordinates have no reckoning of your tactical genius
You say 'lets team up' and they take you entirely at face value, instantly planning a mutiny
For shame
tight flare
Ohhhhhhh
grizzled wolf
Like for me there wasn’t even a fight or anything the game just like
Faded to black when I picked that option
And then he was gone
There wasn’t even a key
*body
tight flare
Yeah it does end a little suddenly
Marazhai goes 'HUH WHUH?', tries to bolt, then the scene ends
Admittedly at the time I wasn't sure if we even killed him or if he succesfully ran away
tight flare
Yeah I suppose the devs just sort of figured people are typically not going to kill companions
The mental image I have of 'the iconoclast player that keeps marazhai around' is fascinating
And mildly frightening
stone hawk
Marzipan is kind of funny with the Death Aura build.
Just walk around the battlefield and watch as enemies explode when he gets close.
stone hawk
Finished a Heretic run recently and kind of sad that the Rash debuff you can get from the Freight Line doesn't like become some kind of Nurgle buff later on.
||At least Sla'neesh gave me a questionably useful ability for feeding Yrliet to them.||
solemn grove
Abilities and gear I can’t use now lmao
you can use the gear, take drukhari weapons proficiency
grizzled wolf
Oh I have
I just don’t have SPECIFICALLY someone who has that AND uses specifically two handed melee
wary topaz
Honestly kibbles can do it pretty well
She's fun with klaives as an assassin
or doublevenom sords on executioner
grizzled wolf
or doublevenom sords on executioner
Hehehe
Yeah that’s my build rn
The toxin+bleed is insane
stone hawk
Then you throw in burn from Dogmatic 2 for easy access to 3 of the 4 DoTs.
stone hawk
Warp Burn
rare pagoda
I just ||brought on Maive to my ship to make me recaf||. And now I'm envisioning a 40K anime with her in a kind of "Apothecary Diaries," role. Happy and full of smiles among the Trader's retinue and... their combined baggage.
civic musk
We still don’t know anything about the new companion, right?
safe surge
It would have been pretty funny if you never get anywhere near Trazyn. You just happen upon one of his vaults
grizzled wolf
We still don’t know anything about the new companion, right?
Still no
rare pagoda
Glad I'm playing the game so slowly. I haven't even finished Chapter 2
robust flume
https://www.reddit.com/r/RogueTraderCRPG/s/vyoysThWaJ
the admech focus sounds interesting.....a heretek companion might be alright
i think i kinda want something more left-field for a Trazyn dlc cause you can basically get anyone from anywhere when he's involved
safe surge
A heretic run sure is mustache-twirling evil
tight flare
It's the evil option in the game where the baseline is 'all of your subordinates expect to be shot for failure' so I suppose it makes sense 😭
safe surge
Yeah lol. It has to compete with Dogmatic's evilness
austere otter
it's also just kind of half baked too though
you lose access to a lot of the game in a proper Heretic run and what you get in exchange is just less fun content
this is true of a lot of games' evil runs though
stone hawk
Heretic also has one of the worst secret companions.
||Uralon just doesn't have much going for him. Officer/MT is alright but he doesn't get any gear. He has the problem Ulfar did before his little update of not having any gear to use outside of what he starts with.||
safe surge
you lose access to a lot of the game in a proper Heretic run and what you get in...
I was a coward and ||didn't blow up Foulstone. Though I'm playing now so at least I got a heretic option to keep it||
I think the problem is that a heretic run would probably have to be very different to make sense. But obviously the devs wouldn't want to put the effort into that
cunning wigeon
yeah the problem with "evil routes" is statistically if you want to do them properly they're twice the effort for maybe, max, 5% of the playerbase to enjoy
safe surge
Hey, Rogue Trader has a perfectly serviceable evil route that works fine without too many modifications from the good route (the Dogmatic one)
cosmic thunder
I'll say a 40k RPG is the last place where I'd expect nuance in an evil playthrough
it's the only setting I can think of where blowing up a city just for kicks makes perfectly sense
grizzled wolf
||Uralon just doesn't have much going for him. Officer/MT is alright but he does...
I had no idea that’s what the secret guy is for heretic and that’s insanely funny
Learning I missed the other one now tho
stone hawk
||Heretic also gets Calligos Winterscale. He's good by virtue of being a Warrior/AM.||
grizzled wolf
They had an accident with their own las pistol
The icon one
:3
Also wow they must’ve made it way easier to max out merchant rep cause I haven’t been hard for using the kas but I have them and navy maxed out
Speaking of the icon secret companion
stone hawk
Yeah from what I understand rep got reworked I think and is easier to raise.
grizzled wolf
I’m kinda sad at the lack of reactivity to the stuff with the priest on the act 4 footfall quest
Like
Hey uh
Argenta
stone hawk
Plus 2 DLCs worth of stuff to dump on them.
grizzled wolf
Got any opinions on this
Or
Kinda… seems like a guy who was important to her lmao
stone hawk
Oh if you have to kill him?
grizzled wolf
Yeah cause I’m not dogma
stone hawk
In a Heretic run ||you turn him to the teachings of Nurgle.||
grizzled wolf
man I know yall just said it’s not great but I really wanna do one
stone hawk
IMO it's a like one and done sort of thing
You do it once to see what it does then never touch it again.
safe surge
You having to kill the priest guy in an iconoclast run is very silly. He's clearly on board with ousting chorda. But I guess a fight needs to happen. Though maybe my Iconoclast rank wasn't high enough at that point?
safe surge
Disappointing
stone hawk
Nah no avoiding it, he suddenly gets regrets for having the burnings end.
tight flare
Oh I thought him turning on you only happens if ||you let Chorda decide her own sentence and she kills herself||
The dialogue there seemed to me in the moment like ||'my god she really WAS a holy martyr, this act has convinced me she was right'||
grizzled wolf
Yeah he justifies himself doing it no matter what
tight flare
That's VERY funny
grizzled wolf
wow okay the uh
the last bit of void shadows is
rough
its actually the most upset warhammer grimdark has ever actually made me
because its my fault
||i armed the inferni||
grizzled wolf
OKAY THE FINAL VOID FIGHT IS SO GOOD
civic musk
||i armed the inferni||
Yeah, I did the same
robust flume
||Uralon just doesn't have much going for him. Officer/MT is alright but he does...
it's genuinely weird that there's ||heretic space marine gear|| you can find so early in the game
grizzled wolf
Oh yeah I beat void shadows
It’s REALLY good
The final segment is fucking wild and is so great
stone hawk
The final fight is a bit annoying. ||Darn health gates, I'd one round him if it weren't for them.||
civic musk
It’s REALLY good
I think it was maybe the best version of a Genestealer plotline possible, in that it really understood them as a cult that weaponizes the Imperium’s cruelty as a means of spreading
grizzled wolf
The final fight is a bit annoying. ||Darn health gates, I'd one round him if it ...
I think it’s kinda funny because of that that like
Everyone using the super popular race to the bottom 0 survivability builds were online saying this fight is impossible :p
grizzled wolf
“You made Kibellah cling to the tenets of the bloodspun web with greater vehemence” I did what
lavish lagoon
Oop
grizzled wolf
Yeah yeah I don’t think it’s the ending stuff
grizzled wolf
YEAH BABY I DID IT
I FOUGHT KIBELLAHS FINAL BOSS AND I GOT THE BLUE TEXT THAT SAID I MADE HER COMPASSIONATE
ICONOCLAST
tight flare
Eyyyyyyyyy!
grizzled wolf
That boss took me a few tries
I gotta say
Not being able to see his HP
Is legit intimidating
Because he has an insane number of wounds
And I just kept going “oh my god there’s more”
He also killed my entire party in both phases LMAO
grizzled wolf
Also love Ulfar being like “no all that was a vision, except for the fact that old man just went apeshit”
solemn grove
yeah its a great fight
grizzled wolf
Also I saw people saying influencing Kibellah’s personality is confusing
cosmic thunder
And I just kept going “oh my god there’s more”
I just kept wondering if I needed to do something specific
grizzled wolf
Fair
Tbh short of the cheese instant kill builds you should be reading features at this point a little :p
cosmic thunder
Also yes
You can kick a manifestation of the emperor. Sadly it doesn't fly to the air and only slides backwards
cosmic thunder
I love the kick
grizzled wolf
It’s really good too
cosmic thunder
I love low cost knockback moves in this kind of game.
also just the inherent comedy of "I have a gun that shoots high explosive rounds as big as my fist.
and a boot."
solemn grove
Tbh short of the cheese instant kill builds you should be reading features at th...
it's not cheese it's just optimization and owlcat making iffy balancing decisions
Argenta being an unstoppable engine of destruction isnt a gimmick build its just the natural product of archmilitant being overtuned again
solemn grove
but also yeah if you dont read the mechanics the old man will beat your ass
cosmic thunder
I mean it didn't take me hundreds of attempts. I pretty solidly bested him on my third or fourth. but yeah, it was the first time in a while I needed to actually react to the enemies instead of spamming cheese
I don't think I've even used health kits since at least Yrlieths introduction at that point.
grizzled wolf
Me who uses health kits all the time
grizzled wolf
Argenta being an unstoppable engine of destruction isnt a gimmick build its just...
So it’s in a weird spot
Because you’re right it’s not an exploit
But it IS game shatteringly powerful
The common thing I see that I do consider real cheese is the thing where you shoot a full auto weapon at heinrix to increase his psy rating
solemn grove
oh yeah thats cheese but you can put the eyes of joyeuse on him for very similar results
grizzled wolf
Those just increase his psy by his dogmatic don’t they
solemn grove
the other cheesey thing is you can get into a really low level fight and then spam navigator buffs to let anyone solve the simulacrum which straight up gives you a free heroic
solemn grove
Those just increase his psy by his dogmatic don’t they
heinrix has a lot of dogmatic
He doesn't need to be PR50 to function
grizzled wolf
Oh yeah I have the eyes on him and every hit is like 100-150
solemn grove
yeah and then you give him a rock saw for five hits an attack
grizzled wolf
Waggles my finger
Nooo I give him a force sword
Tbh I do that because I have like 6 sources of add psy rating to force sword
wary topaz
Yeah one of the mind blowing things to me is that you can talent scale pr up to like 5
But you can effect scale it as high as the games integers go
So you but on the cursed arnour and start killing and you end up with pr19 and nothing survives your molten beams
safe surge
I like how the Death Cultists have sacred Blood Splatter Analysis
grizzled wolf
Yeah them being the guys who remembered forensics is really funny
grizzled wolf
YO PARADOX SOLVED WHAT THE FUCK
lavish lagoon
Huh?
grizzled wolf
There’s an item
From a late game colony think on kiava
That lets you just… use your heroic action for free without effecting momentum at all once per fight
Which is insane
grizzled wolf
ALSO
Got to the defiler fight
This is… not as bad
As I thought it would be
From the way people complain about it online
safe surge
It is very mean when the game forces a character who has no business being good at a skill to do a particular skill check lol ||In this case Yrliet trying to convince the Aeldari to accept help from the Rogue Trader||
Oh, lmao in that particular case apparently really nothing changes if you pass
solemn grove
yeah the real skill check is elsewhere
jovial anvil
I thought I did everything right in that quest but I still failed it
safe surge
Isn't that one ||guaranteed to fail regardless of what you do?||
stone hawk
Got to the defiler fight
Last few times I did that fight I completely ignored its gimmick. Either Ironeye grenade its armor down or on my Dogmatic run used the ability that just lets you ignore armor and deflelction.
grizzled wolf
I just destroyed the pillars really easily
Honestly the final boss of act 4 gave me
WAY more trouble
Namely because of his fucking asshole adds he kept giving extra turns
stone hawk
Fun fact, if your Lord Captain is a Psyker Overseer with the Raven you can seal it into your bird. Don't remember if you have to be on Heretic or not though.
grizzled wolf
That’s awesome
He was appropriately intimidating which is impressive because IMO the changer of ways is like
Not a particularly intimidating model
twin anchor
The bird is the word
grizzled wolf
Moreso when it’s fucking 20 feet tall
And portalling around the map
Owlcat really knows how to do spectacle in a CRPG
tight flare
I realllly need to finis RT
I stopped in te last act because I kind of ot tired of explorin by te time I entered it and it's basically ||woopsie, new star systems to explore c:||
grizzled wolf
I realllly need to finis RT
I stopped in te last act because I kind of ot tired ...
Me when I saw someone post the galaxy map at the end of the game, looking at that one corner that I assume act 5 is in
tight flare
I wonder if tis isn't an owlcat wide tin
I've always ad trouble finisin tem and onestly ALL Owlcat ames do ||stuff brances out aain in te final act||
So I do as muc as I can before te final at, start it, 'oops! more stuff to do :3' and I stop
stone hawk
See I'm slightly crazy. I played all three conviction routes back to back.
And now I'm returning to Wrath of the Righteous and seeing if I can do the same with all the Mythic Paths.
grizzled wolf
Okay THATS insane because that’s like
8 playthrough
legendary hero is the best one
Also
I adore how much rogue trader lets you swing your dick around
It does not contrive a reason you aren’t important
tight flare
Yeahhhhh
I like it
People try to murder you a lot but when that's unavailable pretty much the only time you have to like
Straight up knuckle under is the Inquisition and uh
||Act 4,||
grizzled wolf
You also really don’t have to knuckle up that much
OH
I FOUGHT SOLOMOURNES FINAL HOSS
that whole final quest is a fucking delight
tight flare
You also really don’t have to knuckle up that much
True, it's pretty much him going '||help me raid this planet or fuck off (and then help me raid this planet)||'
And that's it
stone hawk
Yeah getting the Black Ring is basically just not making excuses.
solemn grove
Man you REALLY have to suck him off to get the good rings huh
You can get red pretty handily but the best ring is hard
but it is also an endgame viable piece of gear
safe surge
The game soft locks in Odaenathus XI's space combat ||if you kill all the ships before the time runs out 🙁 ||
You can then move the ships around like they aren't on a grid though. Which is kind of funny
grizzled wolf
You can get red pretty handily but the best ring is hard
I felt like I wasn’t even that defiant and I got white
safe surge
The game soft locks in Odaenathus XI's space combat ||if you kill all the ships ...
||I think you need to wait for all the waves to spawn or it bugs out||
solemn grove
I felt like I wasn’t even that defiant and I got white
it's primarily based on your decisions during earlier acts not the conversation
oh nevermind it's 50/50
solemn grove
I did get red doing mostly iconoclast stuff
solemn grove
but also in character your rogue trader sucking up to the inquisition is pretty normal even for committed iconoclasts
the lord inquisitor is one of the handful of people who can meaningfully gainsay you so buttering him up is rarely a bad idea
safe surge
I don't think my heretic is getting the red one lmao
stone hawk
I got Red on my Heretic run
grizzled wolf
That’s insane
safe surge
The Heretic color is red, so it makes sense in hindsight 
grizzled wolf
LMAO YOU CAN BEG HIM TO LET YOU JOIN HIS RETINUE??
stone hawk
Doesn't help that the etude guide doesn't have his reactions to your heretic choices so I had to kind of wing it.
You get a fancy knife
Need to be Dogmatic 2
safe surge
Fortunately Dogmatic 2 is easily accomplished by being an asshole
grizzled wolf
I think i have fog and heretic 2
Heretic purely because I picked that option when breaking the stifler
And that gives you…. So many points
solemn grove
LMAO YOU CAN BEG HIM TO LET YOU JOIN HIS RETINUE??
yeah there's a whole event chain associated with it
safe surge
Do you think anyone can tell my guy is a heretic?
solemn grove
I'm sure that's a very normal 8 pointed star
grizzled wolf
I’m really curious to get to act 5 because the stuff I e heard about his character is fascinating
solemn grove
Fortunately Dogmatic 2 is easily accomplished by being an asshole
not even being an asshole, I got to dogmatic 2 fairly early by taking imo fairly reasonable choices
primarily exterminatus and a couple others where torching the place is legitimately correct
grizzled wolf
Oh hey btw
solemn grove
exterminatus is bad obviously but "planet is turning into a warp rift" is the kind of scenario where burning it from orbit begins to look appealing
grizzled wolf
Do all the moments of failure/triumph background things come up a big amount?
safe surge
Apparently saving any colonists from Rykad gives you Iconoclast points. And you need to both not bomb the place and skeddadle without rescuing them to get Heretic poitns. RIP me
grizzled wolf
The “I’m really smart” and “touched by the warp” ones have come up a lot
solemn grove
surprisingly frequently as flavor but rarely particularly impactful
grizzled wolf
I’ve appreciated the good one a lot because it feels like people recognizing my character having actual personality traits
Which is rare for a CRPG
solemn grove
yeah you get enough payout for it for me to be happy
grizzled wolf
The game actually tracking ur personality on multiple axis rocks speaking of
stone hawk
I know one of the Grim Portents consequences is when you get to the lens in Rykard Minoris you don't get to pick anything in the book event as you freak out at the warp nonsense and just charge in.
But yeah Triumph, Darkest Hour, and Background come into play enough to be neat but also would have been cool to see more.
Don't think homeworld ever comes up.
Like it's funny that if you ask your Helmsman questions about what he does and how does void travel work as an Admiral background he's like "Wait, you should know all this."
grizzled wolf
Lmao
Is the admiral the same as Abelard w all the bracing stuff
Oh wow the astra Militarum commander letting you deal no friendly fire damage is crazy given that like
Completely avoiding that is usually in the real of endgame builds or bespoke actions
THE COMMISAR
Is the shooting your allies thing even good??
solemn grove
not....really
I think you can spec into it reasonably well and it is functional
but the opportunity cost is pretty steep
safe surge
The Null Directive is very funny when nearly all the enemies are around your Psyker. (Everyone exploded and I had to look into the logs to figure out what the hell happened lmao)
rare pagoda
Do you think anyone can tell my guy is a heretic?
Just say it's ironic. Unless irony is also heresy...?
safe surge
In 40k? Probably lol
"Irony poisoning? A terrible fate to befall anyone: the only cure is the Emperor's mercy"
cosmic thunder
clearly an effect of nurgles rot
safe surge
Strikecraft are ridiculous in this game. Were they added in a DLC?
safe surge
They seem a lot better than torpedoes. But maybe because I am mostly fighting lighter ships right now
grizzled wolf
They seem a lot better than torpedoes. But maybe because I am mostly fighting li...
IMO this is more like
A result of torpedos being underturned
solemn grove
They seem a lot better than torpedoes. But maybe because I am mostly fighting li...
they fall off real hard against armor
lots of small hits vs few big hits
grizzled wolf
Yeah they’re good against shields, bad against armor, get fucked up really bad if they get shot at
solemn grove
not really for the latter?
their HP is small but hits are very limited and damage they take is damage that you're not taking
stone hawk
Also enemies don't really bother shooting at fighters unless it's like the only thing they can target.
stone hawk
||The Messiah of Discontinuing rises.||
grizzled wolf
||The Messiah of Discontinuing rises.||
I’m hoping to god I didn’t accidentally create the reaper of companions
safe surge
In my epilogue, ||he only killed one!||
stone hawk
grizzled wolf
THATS ROGUE TRADER FINISHED BABY
||I created the god of compassion and formed a seperate state in the expanse :3||
grizzled wolf
Oh didn’t get the kibbles ending I wanted fully :(
That’s alright tho
GOD DAMMIT PASQAL
||HE KILLED YRLIET||
lavish lagoon
GOD DAMMIT PASQAL
Hahaha good ol pasqual
austere otter
classic Pasqal
grizzled wolf
Also
Romanced 4 characters
Only stayed in an epilogue relationship with one
I also caused a massive civil war in the imperium lmao
tight flare
:3
stone hawk
||HE KILLED YRLIET||
||He can also get a bunch of Space Wolves killed. Explorators ditch a pack of them in a moment of need calling it paying back their debt to Amarnat.||
robust flume
GOT THE END OF PASQALS QUEST
there are some clear winners and losers with the companion quests in this game tbh
like Pasqal's determines the fate of ||the whole explorator fleet, arguably the AdMech at large to an extent||, and then you have someone like Jae's which is just ||visit the space Commerce Chamber and then help me deal with my shitty space ex-BF||
safe surge
I ended up getting the good ring from the Inquisitor. My character wasn't lying when they said ||they were interested in how the heretical portions of how domain would develop lol||
Unfortunately it removes burning from everyone, which is not ideal for my pyromancer 😅
tight flare
My RT ||talks shit in every timeline||
tight flare
Oh my god Abelard just FUCKED ||Calcazar||
||He had defensive stance up and the auto striking power sword that does a counter whenever he landed a parry, and Calcazar has an ability where he counters with a melee attack whenever he's hit||
||So Abelard hit him, Calcazar attacked..... Abelard parried, and countered, making Calcazar attack again||
||Repeat ad infinitum because Abelard's Parry chance and hit chance are both 'yes'||
twin anchor
Just absolutely bodied
tight flare
||It was a straight up slugging match from 90% to 0%, none of this turn based nonsense||
||Abelard took the threats to the rogue traders safety personally||
twin anchor
tight flare
Go, my little trooper 🫡
grizzled wolf
So what do yall think of calcazar’s plan? Could it have worked?
I thinking giving the inquisition a pet god is bad even if it works, but I’m curious
wary topaz
Warhammer's setting does not reward such gambits
safe surge
But it's totally fine if the Iconoclast Rogue Trader ||gets a pet god in the form of Nomos||
grizzled wolf
I mean yeag
tight flare
Well, from what we see, ||it needs it's ass beat to hell and back for the yoke to even work||
||So assumedly if Calacazar had been uninterrupted the Shard would have just strolled out, messily killed everyone, and started doing C'tan things||
grizzled wolf
Also okay
Since you just played it
Nevermind thinking on it I just answered my own question
tight flare
I am fascinated to hear the question tho
solemn grove
Well, from what we see, ||it needs it's ass beat to hell and back for the yoke t...
I think best case scenario is that it kills everyone there and just gets stuck there until some other schmuck finds it
tight flare
Considering ||what Nomos is capable of once 'hijacking' it, I imagine it would have got off world and caused A Real Mess||
solemn grove
if it actually works, remember how calcazar was ||chill with feeding multiple imperial star systems to the deldar in order to achieve power? Now imagine that with a pet star god||
grizzled wolf
I am fascinated to hear the question tho
Okay in the final boss fight did he ever actually summon an “energy orb” because one of his abilities that he like
Kept using
Didn’t do that for me
But I’m realizing I think it summoned the clones
tight flare
Okay in the final boss fight did he ever actually summon an “energy orb” because...
||He did in fact summon energy orbs alongside clones||
||They're countdown bombs you need to kill fast||
grizzled wolf
Oh lol that never happened for me
stone hawk
||Yeah I've never seen the orb either. The clones yes but never the orb.||
cunning wigeon
i did not see that from the boss because he died in a hail of bolter fire before he even got to do anything
safe surge
I messed up how I used my cargo. I have so many leftover xeno-artifacts that could have been used instead of heretic ones to get pirate rep 😭
grizzled wolf
Weirdly enough I got treated as if I had maxed out rep with the mechanicus fellas
Despite being like 2 or 3 levels off
safe surge
Given how often the flag ship gets messed up, they must have very effective damage control teams in the year forty-first millennium
safe surge
Giving Idrira the +1 psy rating/+30% chance of perils injection was probably a mistake lol
grizzled wolf
Having a lot of demons
wary topaz
Giving Idrira the +1 psy rating/+30% chance of perils injection was probably a m...
Make her an overseer and make the perils someone else's problem!
wary topaz
I mean, the demon is either trivial or an f8
Which, not great game design for a crpg
Very much influenced by the rogue trader ttrpgs influence from call of crhulhu
robust flume
Giving Idrira the +1 psy rating/+30% chance of perils injection was probably a m...
it's so funny when you get to the ending where you fight the ||alternate universe party members and alt idira immediately kills herself and summons a demon||
safe surge
I mean, the demon is either trivial or an f8
It seems to knock her out immediately with summoning damage? Which is annoying
safe surge
it's so funny when you get to the ending where you fight the ||alternate univers...
The very first time I played the game, Idira knocked herself out with her first ever power use lmao
wary topaz
It seems to knock her out immediately with summoning damage? Which is annoying
One of the rolls does, yeah
solemn grove
It seems to knock her out immediately with summoning damage? Which is annoying
yeah it's an artifact from the TTRPG where if you rolled badly enough you could Just Die and explode into a bloodthirster
yeah 1% odds on the perils table
and perils is 25% baseline chance on psychic phenomena
civic musk
Having Cassia in the party can help with this, and with everything else
grizzled wolf
There’s also ways to make heinrix good at dealing with it
lime raptor
Neither of them can completely prevent her from exploding, can they?
safe surge
Yeah, she always has a low chance of perils/exploding regardless of veil strength iirc
(technically any unsanctioned psyker. but its not super worth taking that option as a player)
cosmic thunder
It's kind a bummer. I like having her around because she's an interesting take on a heretic/unsanctioned psyker. She's surprisingly level-headed considering the howling madness she's plugged into and very pragmatic about her beliefs.
She's very jaded but never to the degree where it becomes annoying. Also it's nice that she made friends with the vox caster
(look I'm saying friends here because I leave the yuri diagnosis to the pros)
safe surge
Although she mechanically has heretic conviction levels, she doesn't behave similarly to what a player heretic does. (also some of her dialog fits iconoclast)
cosmic thunder
I was kinda wondering why she doesn't have a dot in iconoclast
safe surge
They kind of whiffed on companion convictions imo
cosmic thunder
yeah, I got that sense a few times
Although with idira you can argue that her pragmatism feeds into tapping into chaos for convenience
although that ignores that she's not having a good time with that door in her mind
Jae being dogmatic is weird too. then again, organized crime depends on a broken system working as intended
safe surge
She is Iconoclast? At least, she has two ranks in it. I can't remember if she has ranks elsewhere
cosmic thunder
dang, memory holed
safe surge
It's intereting that Kibbles has dots in Iconoclast and Heretic (while being majority dogmatic). But I don't remember if she starts that way
cosmic thunder
I mostly remember checking convictions with some characters and going "huh".
Abelard also seems a bit odd having dots in iconoclast given how much of a stickler for rules he is
cosmic thunder
It's intereting that Kibbles has dots in Iconoclast and Heretic (while being maj...
I mean her questline is sort of about losing faith
safe surge
Abelard also seems a bit odd having dots in iconoclast given how much of a stick...
Well, they wanted one crew member from each conviction for that early choice. But he cares about the crew more than is typical. And he has a dot in Dogmatic tbf
cosmic thunder
that seems about right
wary topaz
It's intereting that Kibbles has dots in Iconoclast and Heretic (while being maj...
Not by default, iirc. A number of allies can get two dots depending on how you take their quests
robust flume
It's intereting that Kibbles has dots in Iconoclast and Heretic (while being maj...
She starts out pure dogmatic, gets dots in each halfway through her quest to represent her crisis of faith, and then lands at one tendency after the end
solemn grove
It's kind a bummer. I like having her around because she's an interesting take o...
she's actually pretty good in terms of overall output but rolling that 1 in 100 really stings
safe surge
It's mostly a problem if you get a bad roll early in the game. Otherwise you are so powerful you can honestly lose a character (or several) without it being a big deal
Although she was somehow the last one alive in my fight against a boss in the Shadows of the Void DLC, ||Nemisite||
lime raptor
It's mostly a problem if you get a bad roll early in the game. Otherwise you are...
Honestly that's kind of my problem with her - it's inconsistent enough it doesn't make for any sort of interesting challenge run, but frequent enough you can never rely on her
It's a shame because she's a fun character but I can't fathom actually using her
tight flare
The archetype she and Pasqual have with exploits just never seems to do much for me
I know with Idira that's largely because 'psyker' is her actual archetype, but
Doesn't feel good
stone hawk
Thankfully Dark Heresy is adding an actual Psyker archetype.
grizzled wolf
The archetype she and Pasqual have with exploits just never seems to do much for...
pasqual can be built in a way where it becomes useful
lime raptor
In my party Pasqual's Operative tree is mostly there to buff the squad with Tactical Knowledge and feed exploits to Yrliet
solemn grove
I've built him as a bounty hunter every time
grizzled wolf
I would have if I wasn’t an operative->bounty hunter
grizzled wolf
On my RT
lime raptor
Yrliet's the Bounty Hunter in my party
safe surge
I liked her as an assassin
Though the first time I played I did have her as a bounty hunter. And I think her special "attack at the start of the next turn" worked with the bounty hunter extra turns at the time lol
(as did psychic attacks)
wary topaz
It still does
safe surge
Oh interesting. I thought they at least fixed the psychic attack part. I am surprised at the Yrliet bonus attack one
And do they no longer let you go on a suicidal journey to the Imperium? Or do you have to do it in a certain act to get that option?
Oh, maybe my ship didn't have enough HP
wary topaz
I don't think that is ever survivable
Oh, I don't know about the psychic attacks, but you can In My Sights
I think Yrliet is maybe supposed to be a bounty hunter?
safe surge
Oh, I know it isn't supposed to be survivable, but I didn't even make it more than one jump in (you can do like three and then choose "die" as for the last one)
safe surge
Just finished a heretic run: ||Man the Rogue trader sure kills a lot of companions in that epilogue||
young sundial
yeah, it was sort of miserable, I dunno why I made myself do a heretic one
grizzled wolf
Okay it’s really funny the way the eagle talks about the space wolves, especially in the ending slide, as if the ones you meet are the only ones that exist in the galaxy
safe surge
Well, they are probably the only ones in the Expanse
civic musk
Okay it’s really funny the way the eagle talks about the space wolves, especiall...
if only
lime raptor
Just got through ||Tervantias's lab|| on Quetza Temer, disappointed that you don't actually get to fight ||five full-strength Tervantii||
I also remain devastated that you can't recruit ||Malice||
lime raptor
"Abelard, do the Shiggy-wiggy"
grizzled wolf
I also remain devastated that you can't recruit ||Malice||
Like as a companion?
lime raptor
Yeah
grizzled wolf
safe surge
I never took the option, but it's funny how, after trouncing the final boss, you have the option to ||worship it as a god||
jovial anvil
Hellebore is fun
inland talon
"Abelard, do the Shiggy-wiggy"
abelard after seeing horrors beyond his comprehension for the 31 time today
north junco
finally got around to starting Rogue Trader and ngl it's really fun
i finally understand the Abelard memes
the man is a fucking unit
also Cassia is ridiculously good for single target damage
and multi target damage
i got a thing that makes her first use of psychic powers free so she can do two attacks per turn and it's so good
unbelievably elite character
extra turns, crazy damage, calming the warp
she does work
north junco
i've got Argenta and Idira set up as snipers with some good aoe attack potential from bolter and stave
north junco
this staff has to be the most fucked up evil item i've got in the run so far
inland talon
this staff has to be the most fucked up evil item i've got in the run so far
nah seems none heretical
inland talon
yeah
north junco
Pasqal my GOAT
solemn grove
oh they get better
I think the really cracked thing with cassia is that her support build is better than her damage build and her damage build is bonkers
north junco
this staff has to be the most fucked up evil item i've got in the run so far
genuinely though this staff alone turned Cassia into a viable combatant
and a super powerful one as well
solemn grove
yeah double eye is good
north junco
i got a long range single target damage ability for her
so she can do groups and single target
solemn grove
oh also argenta with a heavy bolter can oneturn anything that doesnt have an invuln phase
archmilitant is so fucking busted rn
inland talon
i really want a better bolter for her
flamer
north junco
i got an item that makes it so all her single targfet bolter shots are guaranteed hits
solemn grove
blessed bolter casing is good but its not optimal
north junco
flamer
she has a bolt rifle and a sniper on her rn
i did get a heavy bolter iirc but it was heretical
solemn grove
you get usable ones later
solemn grove
definitely a mutant
north junco
i love this game
lavish lagoon
I think the really cracked thing with cassia is that her support build is better...
Realistically you can build full support and still keep the double eyeball blast staff on hand just to clear chaff on her first turn
north junco
oops all chaos
i gotta stop being so godsdamned lenient
next important person i meet where i have the chance to oust them i'm just doing it out of spite
just got an ability for Cassia to curse enemies to take more warp damage and they curse the nearest enemy every turn
why is she so good
i really wish the vault was less bad
bitter pollen
Those people worked to make Cassia the most powerful Navigator they could and gotta say they did a fine job on that part, methods a little rough but hey
north junco
yeah they kinda cooked ngl
north junco
just killed like actually a hundred nurgle worshippers in a mission, they got the horde mode on fr
luckily i'm strong
north junco
found the funniest way so far of winning naval battles
hit em with the psyker directional reverse while they are low
the strain just explodes them
stone hawk
north junco
trying to save some Eldar but whenever i get Yrliet to speak to them she has zero fucking charisma and they just commit suicide by straining their ships to get away
stone hawk
Yeah I genuinely don't think it's possible to pass them outside of like cheating.
north junco
i gave her gloves with +5 persuasion but uh
5% chance ain't exactly helpful
ok apparently they die no matter what so
fun
got to kill some chordia ships for no real reason at least
shadow storm
trying to save some Eldar but whenever i get Yrliet to speak to them she has zer...
Spoilers but ||even if you savescum the check they die anyway. You can't save them.||
north junco
also apparently i explored over half of all optional side locations in the game already
and i low-key skipped a puzzle
found some fucking weird pit
and it has a few outcomes
but i'm a psyker so i just said "nah, i'd win" and psychically dominated it
inland talon
fishwife is so fuckin good
"did i just get called a fish?!"
north junco
kinda funny that i can just have Heinrix vanish some of my party members
space battle continues to be my least favourite part of the game
civic musk
Wouldn’t be an owlcat game without a weird layer that is kind of eh
north junco
too true
stone hawk
Space battles have ended any attempt I have made doing a Grim Darkness run.
And like not even the space battles I was worried about.
inland talon
oh no
safe surge
Space battles have ended any attempt I have made doing a Grim Darkness run.
I took on the DLC stuff too soon for why my Grim Darkness run failed. But I was most worried about the space battles. They start off particularly hard, especially if you don't remember which ones are particularly difficult so you don't run into them before you level up enough
grizzled wolf
The problem with the space battles is that your ship is just
So fragile
And any health/armor upgrade doesn’t really negate that as much as like
Make it possible
The final enemy ships will SHRED you if you have not poured scrap into hull
north junco
yeah
bro can i have
ONE DIPLOMATIC MEETING
without incredible violence
lmao i love enemy friendly fire, they just shot their own leader to death
stone hawk
So fragile
And like, getting the escort and Heartless does help but to get the more useful of the two escorts you need Navel rep which requires some space combat and of course you need to be able to beat the Heartless to get that.
north junco
this game is subjecting me to bureaucracy
safe surge
The final enemy ships will SHRED you if you have not poured scrap into hull
Though, I don't know what else you are dumping it into. The Ram is pretty situational imo. And character upgrades aren't that expensive and you don't need to do it for all of them
grizzled wolf
Though, I don't know what else you are dumping it into. The Ram is pretty situat...
The ram kinda sucks yeah
It’s funny but that’s about it
Anyway having played the other owl cats
We got off so good
With ship combat and colony stuff
north junco
why the fuck is this genestealer tougher than a forgefiend 😭
civic musk
without incredible violence
Never
north junco
having an insane momentum generation makes it really easy to just fucking shred enemy groups
my team is so elite nowadays
north junco
got a heavy bolter but i have neglected to level strength on Argenta so she can't use it 😔
oh wait i can respec her
north junco
heavy bolter goes hard on Argenta holy
if i use rapid fire and concentrated fire with the burst attack it can genuinely just fucking melt
stone hawk
Oh yeah she is a menace with a heavy bolter.
north junco
i tried it once and it was like meh
then i tried it again and she started just killing entire swathes of enemies
stone hawk
Not sure where you've been but Janus has I forget if it's gloves or boots that really help with the recoil are there.
solemn grove
argenta with a heavy bolter can one-turn anything without an invuln phase it's silly
north junco
i have gloves that reduce all recoil by 50%
and a backpack that gives her +1 to her rate of fire
and a helmet that gives +18% ranged attack damage
stone hawk
Yup that be her standard loadout
solemn grove
check out the compensator gloves in the fellowship shop
north junco
currently deep in heretek country but i'll check it later
also wow i really need to fucking upgrade the pistol my character is using
did not realize it was so dogshit
might see if i can swing a plasma weapon proficiency cause i got some crazy good plasma pistols
solemn grove
what are you running?
solemn grove
what psyker discipline and what class?
north junco
sanctic
solemn grove
what class though?
north junco
warrior?
solemn grove
you prooobably want to splash pyro for +melee skills
stone hawk
Spreading the word
north junco
worstie encounter #2
suffer not the word bearer to live
yeah holy SHIT Argenta with a heavy bolter
Abelard just thugging it the fuck out vs. 6 cultists
oh my gods Argenta just killed the word bearer from almost full hp in one attack
stone hawk
Did you use the funny Sister/Priest button for more damage?
north junco
rapid fire, concentrated fire, press the advantage
also used a momentum ability
since i have insane momentum regen
that didn't contribute to the killing of the marine though
also kinda funny, i have +20 to all my skills from equipment
north junco
kind of a funny option
stone hawk
You even get to keep it after words.
Though I think if Heinrix, Argenta, and/or Pasqul are there'll prevent that.
north junco
all three of them are with me lmao
also Argenta just killed a forgefiend with stray fire in two turns while firing at Cubis Delphim
stone hawk
Yeah that's what usually happens.
solemn grove
that's argenta
north junco
jesus fucking christ my party is strong now, we barely took any damage
sorry Delphim but you did fuck and all
stone hawk
Oh Master Tactician Cassia and Argenta? Never see that.
solemn grove
can argenta even take master tactician?
stone hawk
It's an option for Soldier pretty sure.
north junco
evidently she can
it has some damage bonus skills which i wanted
lmao
got into a fight with a demon, Argenta once again just killed it in one go
who needs a space marine when you have a nun with a really big gun
stone hawk
You know, it's kind of funny. I went through the totally evil Heretic route but I just couldn't (or kept forgetting to) hand over all the party members you can hand off to Heinrix.
When I went through all the routes a while back I kept telling myself to quicksave and hand them all over for the quick achievement.