warhammer 40,000: rogue trader

[amber ridge]

Hmm

I think I need to go in for some rebuilds

[eternal agate]

you'll probably be fine if you're on normal

if you've got like one decent character and two officers, especially if one of them is also a navigator, you'll get by

[amber ridge]

I just want all my peeps to be like

competently built

and I feel I have fucked that up in regards to both my own build and Idira

and possibly Abelard

[amber ridge]

all right I have rebuilt

as a sanctic diviner pyromancer

l m a o

[cunning wigeon]

good news

you can respec at the factotum

the fat noble guy

note that it starts costing Mad Cash later

[hardy tinsel]

Yeah which is like

Really shitty

Just use Toybox to respec imho

[amber ridge]

man...

||Idira is hard to keep around||

||rest in peace||

[wary topaz]

Yeeah

||You let Argentia cap her?||

[amber ridge]

||Yep||

||Which for my character is a massive hypocritical move because her triumph and darkest hour are related to the same event of her fucking up and summoning something on a voidship then working hard to get rid of it||

[amber ridge]

||OH BOY I BET THIS IS A GENESTEALER CULT||

[amber ridge]

Am I crazy or are offensive psyker powers just

Kind of meh?

It may be because both my psykers are melee characters but they feel distinctly meh

I think I need to respec and just not give Heinrix or myself the soul purge and just make us both buff machines

[eternal agate]

based on my experience pyro is sort of ok, more supportive or a backup for things that are immune

telepathy is brutal once you get the big cone

if you stay up to date on lightning staves they're pretty good but the area is relatively small

[amber ridge]

I don’t have a lightning stave I have the sanctic one you can get from the Mission trader

This confirms to me I should rebuild and just

Not touch pyro

XD

[eternal agate]

if you're sanctic you need to abuse resolve

it works on basically a different system from all the other psyker powers

[amber ridge]

I do believe I do that

[eternal agate]

i haven't tried it but it's supposed to be ok

[amber ridge]

I get pretty high resolve levels stacking word of the emperor repeatedly

Im also a Vanguard

So even tho my fellowship is actually pretty bad cuz I fucked up and forgot that that’s what increases resolve it barely matters

Shit tons of momentum, shit tons of resolve equals pasted enemies

[bitter pollen]

I don't think it's that Pysker powers are eh its that Soldier Shooting Everything is very very very strong

[eternal agate]

there’s a curve

[amber ridge]

Honestly Tru Tho

Tho I will point out the highest I’ve dealt with a psyker power is like

17

[eternal agate]

i think operator helps a lot

[amber ridge]

I'm already thinking of my next run lol

[wary topaz]

Sanctiic master tactician with a particular staff can deal hundred and hundreds of damage

[amber ridge]

already doing a sanctic and I was thinking a non-psyker for run 2

[amber ridge]

So

Emperor's Wrath

Um

pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[wary topaz]

Yeah

And use master tactician to arbitrarily pump your resolve

[amber ridge]

Honestly even as a Vanguard

Shit's Big Stupid ™️

also both my automatic weapons users are master tacticians and

that's also a spicy meatball

like pasqal and cassia hand out monstrous buffs to jae, argenta, and I

and jae still buffs argenta and I

and we just fucking mulch people

[wary topaz]

Master tactician is amazing, but it usually gets slept on in favor of master of arms

[amber ridge]

you mean arch-militant?

[wary topaz]

Yeah

It scales with action Economy abuse and making lots of attacks

I like mastertac more tho

[amber ridge]

master tac seems more fun

I have two of those and two grand strategists

and one of those strategists has the 'any character can move the zones around' talent

Great fun

[wary topaz]

I never got a hang of grand strat

I usually throw it on a support character and use the zones a d nothing else from it

[amber ridge]

The fun is in the having of two who can move the zones around and give the zones diff buffs

frontline with killzone is a favorite of mine

[tight flare]

The thing is you can just take master tac on an officer, boost the fuck out of an arch militant, then spend the stacks from all that resolve back on your master tac for The God Shot

They aren't mutually exclusive

[amber ridge]

okay

wrath of the emperor

What the fuck

"Hi, casual 100 aoe damage"

[wary topaz]

Yeah

Plus heals allies

Though they might be on a particular staff

[amber ridge]

That's a particular staff, higher level in the drusians

But when I get it

Oh boy when I get it

Gear spoilers ||so I found my mc's armor||

||boutta be a fucking parry tank God||

[amber ridge]

95% parry 72% armor be like

[tight flare]

Heavy armor tanks are fun yeah
My Adelard is such a fiend

[amber ridge]

My Abelard's an AoE dispenser AM

I fucking love my build

Just get in mele

and instead of a sword

I just repeatedly hammer my staff into the ground and just

subject them to the wrath of GOD

ooooo ancient force sword

[wary topaz]

I love thr lategame armors that give skill/10 to deflection

[tight flare]

Adelard rocking the Judge Dredd armor and becoming just invincible

[wary topaz]

Yeah

[amber ridge]

So I found an Iconoclast hotshot las and gave it to Abelard, who's my area attack specialist

Spicy meatball

[amber ridge]

wrooooong chat whoops

[eternal agate]

the real perk of grand strategist is that you go first

your officers also take a little turn when combat starts

so each of your officer grand strategists give your murderer two turns before your opponents have even put their pants on

if you have two of them then you use finest hour at least once, possibly twice

[bitter pollen]

I love Officers with Pyromancy tbh, it requires a little setup and i'm melee so it's nice to just get in and have myself and the surroundings on fire

[wary topaz]

The really absurd thing is that officers can also get a mini first turn with reduced actions, and then also get the grand strat first turn

[bitter pollen]

Honestly it's a fun shift from the usual genre staples, 'swapped weapon? That's your whole turn', RT is so empowering

[wary topaz]

Yeah

[tight flare]

I was a little stunned that swapping weapons was just totally free in RT
Empowers arch militants to be even more heinous than they already are

[wary topaz]

Ig you do have to have the weapons equipped in slots

[amber ridge]

So much turn crime is great

also tempestus psyker be like

so fuckin cool looking

[amber ridge]

Who's your arch-militant character?

[tight flare]

Argenta

Focused on meltaguns

[amber ridge]

Oh we have way diff builds for her then lol

I have her as my run & gun mastertac

entirely based around bolters

my archmilitant is abelard

I gave him this Iconoclast hotshot las and a power claymore

and made him my aoe spec

[jovial anvil]

Arch argenta is super good

[amber ridge]

Oh I don't doubt it

I just like mastertac cuz it feeds more into my like

targeted and aoe stacking buffs?

like I have two strategists, two officers, and two tacticians

and the two of my characters who are none of these things are my melee powerhouses

[wary topaz]

So the thing about arch militant is that it indefinitely scales your bs up

Whixh ups your crit

And then you activate autocrits with crit chance increasing damage

[dim forge]

it also gives flat bonus damage once you get four stacks
so it synergizes super well with burst fire, because the bonus applies per shot

[jovial anvil]

Not to mention their heroic act and wildfire

[tight flare]

My Adelard is the tanky subclass
Bulwark or Bastion or whatever its called

[amber ridge]

Vanguard

Funnily enough, I'm our Vanguard XD

Sanctic Diviner Vanguard is

No fucking joke lmao

[amber ridge]

wait what the fuck Heinrix is proficient with meltaguns?

Since fucking when???

So can Abelard I guess!

Wh

how the fuck can Heinrix, Pasqal, and Abelard all use meltas

[wary topaz]

Pasqual gets everything but Flamers

[eternal agate]

being able to use meltaguns is just good sense

[amber ridge]

Gods ||insulting Marazhai is so fun||

[tight flare]

||Marazhai exists to get punked on||

[amber ridge]

||Gonna fuckin kill his ass||

Also btw ||The mysterious object in the system Marazhai is telling me to go to is a Webway gate isn't it||

||I do not want to have drukhari fun times in Comorragh||

||God damn it||

||ffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu||

[tight flare]

Yeah your in the Nasty Bit now

[amber ridge]

||That Return to Dargonus objective could not be more of a fakeout||

||YRLIET NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BE DTF GOD DAMN IT||

[tight flare]

Slight spoilers for her route: ||AFAIK Yrliet's romance does not actually involve any physical contact at any point||
||I struggle to say 'ace rep' because the root cause seems more like Eldar Strangeness but it feels like it||

[amber ridge]

||DOWN TO HYPERFIXATE AT EACH OTHER THEN XD||

[tight flare]

||Indeed, Meditation Partners||
||Mind Palace Besties||

[amber ridge]

I love my tempestus psyker

I think I’m gonna give her bolter proficiency just for looks

Wave the bolter around

[amber ridge]

Uh

Okay I was right

||That do be an abominable intelligence||

||Wait what||

[amber ridge]

So I got the psyker's breastplate

I'm gonna go rebuild our good friend from the Inquisition as an Arch-Militant

[amber ridge]

arch-militant does work on psychic powers right?

Like you gain versatility stacks?

[wary topaz]

Not sure tbh, I would presume so

[eternal agate]

i don't think it has the best synergy if you're doing straight up psyker stuff for the most part, i used it on heinrix and it did ok because most of his time was spent shooting and stabbing people

[amber ridge]

I’m using it on Heinrix as well

[amber ridge]

Heinrix, sadly

Is still cringe

I do not need him

Time for Chadelard

[tight flare]

Heinrix is very close to be an inquistor character I can actually stand but does not quite get there

[amber ridge]

GOD DAMN IT

FUCK YOU RANDOM CHARTIST OFFICER

[tight flare]

If the romance novel esque 'oh I get the vapors whenever I think about you my sweet' stuff was not there I'd probably vibe
Also oh no

[amber ridge]

||I AM GOING TO PERSONALLY SKIN HIM||

MOTHER FUCK

[twin anchor]

Heinrix is fun for being someone who very clearly wants to not be an asshole but also consistantly fails.

[amber ridge]

Oh I meant as a combatant lmao

I like his character, tho he is also cringe there

[twin anchor]

Oh he's very cringe but deliberately so, which I feel has some charm.

[amber ridge]

I agree

I do find romancing both him and Jae simultaneously very, very fun

Heinrix: repeatedly is unsure about being affectionate due to our respective roles in Imperium society
Jae: literally voxcasts us ||having sex holding hands|| to the entire voidship

[amber ridge]

rpg games where half the building is gear choice don't have a long section where they take your gear challenge: impossible

[amber ridge]

||Are you fuckin telling me there's a separate quest to find my boots????||

[eternal agate]

it really is rock bottom

[amber ridge]

THIS MOTHERFUCKER HAS THEM

OH YOU'RE DEAD

Fuck this I'm turning on easy mode

[amber ridge]

So I know who killed Theodora now

[hardy tinsel]

:)

[jovial anvil]

Act 3 is controversial

[amber ridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/RogueTraderCRPG/s/pICTqO8oQ5

There’s a mod that gives you four portraits that are just

Harry from DE dressed up as a naval officer, psyker, crime lord, or commissar

I unironically might use them

[amber ridge]

Okay so people are saying Yrliet is mechanically kind of mid

But I just

let loose five super accurate instakill attacks in a row with her as an assassin?

How is she mid?

[eternal agate]

lack of equipment choices, argenta just murders absolutely everything with no survivors

[amber ridge]

I mean there may not be much choice

But fuck me is Eye of Hecaton a good one

I think this may just be a sign I've built Argenta less optimally and I've built everyone else pretty optimally

But Mastertac Argenta is fun so fuck it

[amber ridge]

I am unironically so happy that ||yrmeryss is afraid of me||

[amber ridge]

So question, my instinct that warp surge brooch (extra attacks equal to psy rating on the first round of combat) would work very well with arch-militant is correct, right?

[wary topaz]

Yrliet as an operative -> Assassin is very good, but she isn't as superlative as Arch militant can be

Providing you have the AP and weapon variety to alternate between attack modes, yes, it should be fantastic

[dim forge]

Getting stacks is pretty easy tbh, especially with Officer support

Get the talent to start with 2 stacks, and the one that gives a stack on taking extra turns

Pretty much instant 4 stacks

[wary topaz]

Getting stacks for getting extra turns is probably one of the worst pieces of design I've seen in a game tbh xD

Up there with navigators getting wp whenever anyone gets an extra turn

[dim forge]

plus Wildfire, and/or just alternating firing modes

but yeah the action economy abuse is pretty whack, especially if you have multiple Officers
I sometimes get nested extra turns from everything happening

[wary topaz]

Yeah

Fuckin, master tactician talent gives you a bonus turn when someone uses a heroic action

Officer/Master Tac is particularly egregious

With the heroic action gives you a bonus turn talent

Especially as that build is good at buffing resolve

[dim forge]

I have Cassia, Jae, and my MC as Officer/Master Tac in my party 😛
though I made Cassia Grand Strategist just to see how it is

[amber ridge]

Wait stacks on what?

Stacks on extra turns?

Oh my god

Everything is going to die

[dim forge]

yeah there is one that gives the Arch Militant a stack when they are given an extra turn

Discipline is what it's called

[wary topaz]

Yeah

One of the meta strats is 5 officers one Arch Mil

[dim forge]

yeah I can believe it

[amber ridge]

Man that just sounds

Unfun

[wary topaz]

I agree!

[amber ridge]

Even from just an exploring variety pov

[dim forge]

I'm effectively doing this already, just with only 3 Officers 😛

My MC, Jae, and Cassia as Officers
Argenta as buff target mowing down everything with a heavy bolter
Abelard and Pasqal are there for skills and moral support

though Cassia is also just in general equally ridiculous IMO

for one, she's an Officer which is already nuts by itself
but basically all the Navigator powers are also just super powerful

giving a Finest Hour to Cassia also tends to just end encounters IME

[amber ridge]

I can’t decide if I want my next run to be a dogmatist officer

I’m inclined to do so and not take Jae

[cunning wigeon]

5 officer all yelling at argenta to do shit is funny as fuck though

ARGENTA KILL ALL OF THEM

YES MA'AM BAM BAM BAM FOR THE EMPEROR

[eternal agate]

yeah i could never replace abelard or pasqual even if it would be much better

[amber ridge]

Abelard is about to fuckin do work as my Vanguard

[eternal agate]

honestly three officers and a rabid sister of battle is more than enough anyway

vanguard is in a sort of weird place, it excels in long encounters but most of the time it's difficult to even have a long encounter because you've either killed or been killed

the ||big nurgle orb|| springs to mind as a fight where it really excels

[amber ridge]

Part of me wants to download toybox and respec myself to another full class

But another part is like ‘honey literally all your items are melee psyker items’

[amber ridge]

I would say my Abelard’s build is going to excel a bit more

As he’s all in on area attacks

Which due to his items make people attack him

And get blinded

And which gives him temp wounds

And activates his Vanguard features

And he’s extraordinarily likely to party cuz he’s dual wielding, with one of the swords giving him an extra 25% parry and dodge

Ah fuck it gonna stay as a warrior

[dim forge]

I do love Pasqal a lot though

he is uncharacteristically "emotional" for a techpriest

it's very interesting

[amber ridge]

Pasqal is so fun

Permanent spot in the party

I’m considering downloading toybox and making Heinrix an officer that focuses on his psychic abilities more

[jovial anvil]

Her amazing social skills are the main argument against

[amber ridge]

I have Cassia and myself, both of whom have, if not as good

Very, very nearly as good

[amber ridge]

Is anyone else kinda annoyed there's barely any force swords?

[tight flare]

Yeah uh
Its not great
IIRC its literally just the force sword you find on heinrix and the ancient force sword you've mentioned finding

[dim forge]

Oh really?

That's unfortunate

[amber ridge]

Yeah

As a melee psyker, it makes Heinrix really hard to place in my party lmao

[stone hawk]

There's a third force sword

But that requires being on the deep end of Heretic

[amber ridge]

Ye

I'm getting good at voidship combat

okay healbot Heinrix does work

And I'm downloading toybox so I can further that and make him an officer instead of a warrior

[bitter pollen]

He honestly seems more like an Officer kind of guy

I was surprised he was a beefo

[amber ridge]

Ye

and this way I can have him and Abelard without them

Kind of doing the same thing

lowkey I think I'm gonna give Heinrix two psyker sticks lmao

blooddrinker and righteous pyre

and make him my officer mastertac healbot

[amber ridge]

officer mastertac healbot achieved

[amber ridge]

Okay um

warp surge brooch is fucking broken

[wary topaz]

the sanctic tree capstone is also technically a force sword

[amber ridge]

It is but it’s also further buffed by your base sword being one

[eternal agate]

large patch

my god that's a lot of bugfixes

being clever now makes you better with flamethrowers

and you can use space marines as cover hoho

https://roguetrader.owlcat.games/news/en/33

[twin anchor]

A lot of items and abilities that provided flat bonuses to the damage of each shot from burst fire now provide percentage bonus to this damage in order to reduce absurdly powerful multiplication in the endgame;

shock

Strength Bonus now adds 5% damage per bonus to all one-handed melee weapons (instead of 1 additional damage per bonus). This bonus to damage from Strength is doubled for all two-handed weapons;

Oh, melee is a lot harder hitting now, at least later in the game.

Assassin's Keep Your Distance talent effect was inverted and activated when assassin went close to the enemy - fixed;

This however, I consider entirely a sad debuff. It was bullshit but I loved it.

[wary topaz]

Looks like rf won't be so absurdly good now, which is good

[eternal agate]

arch-militant has received a stern rebuke

[wary topaz]

Oh God wildfire was making every attack after it ignore versatility restrictions

[twin anchor]

Yrliet and Marazhai can now equip a lot of items previously unavailable to them, including gloves and boots;

They also finally kicked Tarantino out of the dev room.

Ancient Plasma Rifle now correctly deals (2 × INT bonus) damage, down from the crazy (2 × INT) damage. Sorry, Pasqal, Archeotech is powerful, but not THIS powerful!

snrk

[wary topaz]

Aww, ah well

[wary topaz]

Oohhh, Vanguard got some ap cost cuts

[eternal agate]

yeah vanguard desperately needed some love

ramp-up tank class in a game of rocket tag is a rough place to be

[wary topaz]

Yeah

[twin anchor]

I'm surprised how unchanged warrior is. I guess they figured that ranged alone was the issue.

[eternal agate]

i feel like warrior did a great job honestly - you get in someone's face, you lock them down so they can't muck about and you beat them to death

it just got a bit outdamaged

[hardy tinsel]

Strength boosting your melee damage by a % rather than flat is huge for that

And yeah, Warrior performed super well Act 1 and early Act 2

[wary topaz]

And concentrated fire not applying on bursts should help bring down burst builds

[eternal agate]

i think that might actually provoke the intended weapon-switching behaviour for archmilitants

rather than 'i'm going to shoot you with this flamethrower for 0 damage and a stack, then burn all my AP to completely wreck you with automatic fire'

[hardy tinsel]

[tight flare]

It will still be good, admittedly
Melee dudes just kind of eat mad shit if they stroll up to you

[twin anchor]

Oh yeah, it's still good.

It's just no longer ||Welcome to Act 4, Hey Necrons, do any of you have more htan 20 AGI? No? WELL EAT SHIT.||

[tight flare]

Assassin seems like it will now directly compete or even outdo archmilitant
THOUGH
I never did burstfire on my arch argenta and didn't abuse the wildfire bug so she should be unchanged 😈

(I went melta and cycled single/area shots)

[hardy tinsel]

This also retroactively makes AoE weapons way more spicy

Since Concentrated Fire wasn't nerfed numbers wise

Just nerfed to not affect burst fire

So you still get completely gross heavy flamer shots

[tight flare]

Concentrated fire melta blasts just evaporated most dudes yeah

[twin anchor]

Yeah, considering Argenta has like Demolitions 100+ before long...

[hardy tinsel]

And with rep thresholds going down, that Heavy Flamer is available earlier than ever

[tight flare]

||Fixed a bug that made the option to graciously accept the request of Lord Inquisitor Calcazar inaccessible regardless of convictions;||
(ACT 4 Spoilers) I KNEW IT

[hardy tinsel]

lmao

[tight flare]

I was SO
WICKED
PISSED
That the only option you got there was to be a catty bitch

[twin anchor]

||Calcazar: "Do Shit For Me!"||

||Rogue Trader Options:||
||-Fuck Off You Wanker||
||-You're a real arsehole||
||-Only because I have to, you fuckmuppet||
||-Of course my lord, I live to serve the imperium (Currently unavailable)||

[wary topaz]

Oh hey Pasqual's AoEs are going to be even nuttier

[tight flare]

Also I'm glad to be vindicated by ancient plas's damage being a bug

[wary topaz]

I think that was a balance fix, considering the timeline of its changes

[eternal agate]

it's nice to see the faction rep expectations laid out

[tight flare]

It says 'correctly' in the fix description

[wary topaz]

I think that makes it more correctly balanced, but I still suspect that the prior state was intentional

[eternal agate]

i wouldn't consider timeline as being relevant in judging whether it's a bugfix or a balance change

[tight flare]

It seems fairly clear to me that it was never meant to do multiple hundreds of damage just out the gate
We're all just traumatized by arch-militant existing

[wary topaz]

The thing to me is that it always said 2x int, and it got buggixed to do that in a previous patch

[amber ridge]

lmao post-patch I'm immediately max rank with the Drusians

[amber ridge]

Also

If anything

My build got more powerful

[dim forge]

did they reduce the rep requirements?

[hardy tinsel]

yeah, by 20% overall

[amber ridge]

Time to give Abelard power armor proficiency

[amber ridge]

Well

Fuck me

||Time to fight a Khornate Rogue Trader and a Harlequin in the jungle||

||God damn it||

[wary topaz]

Oofda

[amber ridge]

So

||Both Rogue Traders in the Koronus Expanse that aren't me are dead||

||OH GOD THESE MUTANTS HAVE OVER A THOUSAND HEALTH||

[wary topaz]

It's fiiiine

[amber ridge]

Where the fuck do you go in ||Eufrates II|| I am confuse

I seemingly have fought everything, I just can't get to ||Uralon||

[eternal agate]

i think you just go back to the entrance once you've reactivated the lift or something

[amber ridge]

I thought I did that...

cris

[amber ridge]

Chadbelard is finally wearing power armor

[amber ridge]

WELL

HE'S GONNA NEED IT

UM

OH THAT'S COOL IT CAN TELEPORT

GREAT

[amber ridge]

This motherfucker reminds me of moneybags from spyro lmao

[safe surge]

How is the game's stability these days?

[eternal agate]

it’s been pretty good for me since day 1

[amber ridge]

Fucking

17 deflection be like

[amber ridge]

Argenta decked out

[tight flare]

Did her companion quest?

[amber ridge]

Aye

||OH BOY NECRONS||

||FUCK ME||

[tight flare]

Which ending did you get?
In mine she uh
||Decided to become a repentias because she finally realized all that 'emperor's chosen' stuff was EXTREME HUBRIS and the ship kicked her ass out||

[amber ridge]

||She got in and out and had the armor||

[hardy tinsel]

||It very greatly annoys me that taking the reasonable/iconoclast solution to that quest is basically a fail state||

[amber ridge]

||hm?||

[tight flare]

||Yeah, its very funny that if she just isn't self aware that she's being prideful and that its gotten people killed, the ship is just like 'SHE'S PURE'||
But also I think the ||Repentia|| ending is like
Not NECESSARILY a fail state
Its grim for her sure but its also a logical conclusion to her moral viewpoint and what you've told her
||She is aware of her hubris, accepts that the ship rejected her because of it, and resolves, in her admittedly twisted way, to do better||

[hardy tinsel]

No it really is because you get no reward

[tight flare]

If you keep pushing her to recognize her failings and try to improve, ||she goes Repentia||

[amber ridge]

Oh briar was talking about the same thing

[tight flare]

Oh that yeah
Real talk I had already found armor better than ||her power armor|| so did not care lol

[amber ridge]

I mean one could argue that no reward is the point

[hardy tinsel]

If ||Argenta got a new ability or passive representing her new state I'd be fine with it, but the game really does communicate it as "you fucked up lol"||

[amber ridge]

And

If I may be a bit up my own ass for a second

"The bitter wisdom that one has been a fool is not without value."

If you can guess what game that line is from I will give you five dollars

Not joking

[tight flare]

I agree the lack of a reward is sad but I don't think the dialogue with her afterwards reads as the game admonishing you

[eternal agate]

ignorance faith is strength, after all

[hardy tinsel]

Yeah nah I gotta disagree

[twin anchor]

iirc, she does get a bonus ability, it's just not a very good one.

[hardy tinsel]

I went and edited the game files specifically to avoid that outcome

[twin anchor]

As it relies on her being sans armour, which is a 'no, you won't do this'.

[eternal agate]

honestly i don’t need a buff for rescuing orphans over making a massive deal smuggling organs

if i’m playing iconoclast doing the right thing is its own reward

[tight flare]

I wouldn't say that dichotomy works because its not 'eat ice cream' vs 'drop nuclear bombs' in argentas case

[twin anchor]

Found it. This is what you get if she goes Repentia.

Which like...if this worked in light armour it would be great.

But 'no armour' is a hard sell.

[tight flare]

Well
Traumas and wounds stack forever
You can turn her into a limping ult battery

[tight flare]

But yeah the routes in her quest are a little bit more nuanced I think

[tight flare]

I tinkered around in toybox myself to see both outcomes, and eventually settled on repentias lol
But that's fair, she's a good girl despite Everything, she deserves her shiny armor

[amber ridge]

Aw fuck

If it was light armour

I had her in light armor

[tight flare]

If it was light armor it'd be pretty spooky yeah
I've got her in the light armor dual pistols fit

[amber ridge]

My Argenta is built as a plink machine

her turns take forever

but all her attacks autohit

Whoever gave a late game armor set +(Carouse/10) deflection

deserves an award

[wary topaz]

Its good shit

Theres a coerce one as well

Also, oblivion yeah?

[amber ridge]

Nah the fortress world tempestus carapace

I think

The one Opticon sells you at high level

[amber ridge]

Oh look I was right about ||Calcazar||

||More right than I expected too||

[amber ridge]

Damn

What a game

Both my character's partners died in the ending slides lmao

[wary topaz]

It do be like that

I was particularly put out by ||Yrliet's||

[hardy tinsel]

||What happened with yours?||

[wary topaz]

||Pasqual kills her||

[hardy tinsel]

||Oh christ? Oof||

[amber ridge]

Yo that's so out of pocket lmao

[heady coyote]

🤔

[tight flare]

(Jokey spoilers for above interaction under the cut)
||NOOOO SERVAL NOOO!! IT WON'T WORK SERVAL!! YOU'LL FUMBLE THE BAD ELDAR BITCH!!||

[heady coyote]

i've gotta say, the bugs add a lot of spice to this game's combat

will your one-attack buff last until the end of combat? will the enemy get a surprise bonus turn? who can say

[stone hawk]

They're not bugs, they're Warp shenanigans.

[heady coyote]

man it's kind of insane how little XP you get from combat in this game

an entire extended encounter with a boss and a dozen grunts gets you as much XP as like, two or three dialogue checks

[tight flare]

This is true but I still found myself getting levels at a fairly rapid pace
Its less 'go find the boss' and more 'do stuff', which is honestly quite pleasant

(That, and a lot of the time the real XP motherlode is in completeing whatever quest the boss is the culmination of)

[heady coyote]

it just makes random combat encounters from warp travel and whatnot feel really bad

since you know they'll take a while and not even give you much

[wary topaz]

I mean a bunch of them you can just throw cargo at them

And they don't scale so you can just obliterate them easily in a few levels

[heady coyote]

what do you mean "throw cargo at them"?

[tight flare]

A lot of the warp events can be averted with the right cargo

[wary topaz]

Yeah

Spend a unit of holy gifts or weapons or something

[civic musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115788957289037844/1215304780247994468/the-ultimate-alignment-chart-v0-yz1togz0orlc1.png?ex=65fc43c6&is=65e9cec6&hm=1912ac28eb0879169fefe9a8df41d0d4abfe0828f2b7c4f5212eb87e2cca28ff&

[safe surge]

I finally got the game. I am impressed that they have a variety of different color-blindness options

[safe surge]

Idira exploded on her first action

[twin anchor]

JustIdiraThings

[stone hawk]

The dangers of being unsanctioned.

[north holly]

when the

when the trading gone rogue

lost 500+ keys worth of TF2 hats

[heady coyote]

there are two wolves inside you

one doesn't want to be an asshole to a party member

||one already told cassia's family she's dead because it didn't want to deal with them chasing after her, and they're assholes anyway||

[safe surge]

The early scenes' options with her involve whiplash between incredibly assholeish for no reason and incredibly horny for no reason

[wary topaz]

Oh god

Righteous justice isn't xenos, heretics and psykers 'don't roll dodge' vs it's attacks

It's that their dodge rolls get -999% dodge chance

Enter assassin.

[eternal agate]

absolutely splendid

[safe surge]

Is there a way to do a "partial" level up? I just got a new character and I can't give them an ability because the Psy Rating I am giving them at a previous advancement isn't being taken into account

[wary topaz]

Nope

[safe surge]

That's very annoying

[safe surge]

What are they sawing to get dust? Because I really doubt it is trees:

[wary topaz]

( Bones )

[safe surge]

I think they would consider that ordinary nutritious starch though >.>

[safe surge]

Besides inventory management, is there any reason to not buy stuff from traders?

[tight flare]

Nope
If you got the profit just get it

[safe surge]

I didn't expect arguing with the Aeldari about whether humans are beasts or not to start a romance lol

[jovial anvil]

Yeah,I started it accidentally as well

[safe surge]

Man, void combat is so much harder than surface combat

[hardy tinsel]

Void combat you can run into absurdly hard combats at silly early levels

Where are you rn?

[safe surge]

Near the "NE". There is a combat that constantly spawns Drukerhi ships

[eternal agate]

oh yeah that one

||pretty sure you aren't supposed to fight them unless you really want to, you can evade them on the system map||

[safe surge]

So much for their scouts being nearly impossible to invade

But even the earlier combats were a lot easier to fail

[dapper condor]

I jhust bought the game 🙂

[safe surge]

So, you can use psychic attacks when getting the extra Bounty Hunter "no attack" turn. Which sounds like a bug, but it makes Idira happy

I think you can also use it to set up multiple attacks with Yrliet'a special ability, but that would require combat to last long enough for her to have more than one turn

[dapper condor]

(hey should i be a good boy or a filthy heretic ?)

if i am to be a santioned psyker

[eternal agate]

do what you want, everything is viable

||dogmatics get a fantastic hat though||

[dapper condor]

||: the only thing that actually matter||

I kinda want to go with pyro soldier build so at first i thought of Dogmatic

[amber ridge]

They do get a very good helm

[dapper condor]

And the heretics (cause IRL i'm more of a chaos person)

[heady coyote]

for me Cassia's psychic attacks just don't count against any attack per turn limit, so she can rapid fire them to kill everything in one turn

[eternal agate]

yeah, i think the navigator staff that lets you attack one more time at a small hp cost bugs out

[dapper condor]

(on one hand i really like being a shitty heritic on the other i do not want to break cassia heart :x )

[safe surge]

Heretic apparently doesn't make a lot of sense plot wise

I went Iconoclast. Least bad person in the 40k universe (still a horrible person)

Spoilers for Act 2 ||I really think some of Heinrex's options to look into things in sketchy ways on the forge world should have been heretic tagged instead of dogmatic||

[heady coyote]

but the true spirit of the Imperium is hypocrisy

is there really anything that fits Imperial culture better than breaking the law in order to uphold a different law?

[eternal agate]

anyone who contradicts you is a heretic mutant traitor, so...

[heady coyote]

it is sort of wacky how the inquisitor is so chill working with an actual alien

but there's not really any way to have an eldar in the party without giant suspension of disbelief, and it's definitely worth it

[eternal agate]

rogue traders do get quite a lot of leeway

you have a piece of paper from the emperor that says that you can do whatever you want

[heady coyote]

I do like the implication that all the random civilians you pass in the streets who don't know your status don't bat an eye at seeing an actual xenos

since there is absolutely zero accurate education on the groups they are constantly trained from birth to hate

so they think they're just deformed or something

[eternal agate]

you do whatever doublethink gets you through the day i guess

[heady coyote]

like it's not even doublethink, most imperial citizens genuinely just have no concept of what xenos/chaos are actually like

there's that carnival barker on footfall who has the effigies of eldar that have no resemblance to the real ones

withholding all knowledge of the enemy from those loyal to you worked out pretty well for the emperor, so the current imperium is carrying on the tradition

[safe surge]

The governess thinks she is a mutant when you first get to that planet

[safe surge]

Why is there a stealth sequence lol

[jovial anvil]

Yeah that sucked

[safe surge]

I don't understand where I am getting all this profit factor from lol

[twin anchor]

That seems like a bug. Having too little of a resource is supposed to drain profit factor, not increase it.

[jovial anvil]

Profit factor has a bunch of bugs

Mine got drained to zero at the endgame for no particular reason

[safe surge]

It's multiple bugs because I also have enough people 🙃

[eternal agate]

owlcat doing owlcat things

to be fair i think this is a pretty low priority fix compared to the release greatest hits

[dapper condor]

||being a good servant of the Golden throne led to the destruction of a world... my KDA ratio is doing numbers||

[safe surge]

Act IV minor spoilers:
||The line

The Messiah of Discontinuing was cancelled
Made me giggle. I didn't know one could be too racist for the 40k universe!
||

Also, man, some of the non-main situations/worlds are really cool. Like the ||Ark Mechanicus Hermetico Tech Tribesmen|| have a neat theology

[safe surge]

Fun fact, if you us4e Orchestrated Firestorm and a telepath has Psychic Shriek, they will use Psychic Shriek even if it won't reach the enemies and only hurt your allies lol

[safe surge]

Act 1 Spoilers: ||Even if you have Space Marine Aurora surrounded, they can still walk away to blow up the first shuttle >:|||

[dapper condor]

it's the chaos drip

[brittle matrix]

||I'm at the start and I literally said "Oh Kunrad might be a traitor." right before he stabbed me in the ribs.||

[amber ridge]

lmao

[barren nacelle]

https://youtu.be/obmD2wU9lAs

[ebon forge]

Yeah, looks interesting. I look forward to the new companion.

[tight flare]

Genestealers on the ship and... one of those super special assassins? I cannot recognize those guys at a glance

[jovial anvil]

Nah, she’s just a death cult assassin

[tidal parcel]

starting a new rogue trader game

dunno what portrait to pick

the real difficult thing

[bitter pollen]

And hard to find online without a flood of AI art

[tidal parcel]

I have decided

I'm just going to do my old build and my old character

it's like my headcanon at this point

also I think he's just very cool

[tidal parcel]

I love this game

I forget just how much I love act 1 and the prologue

abelard introducing yourself to people you meet is maybe the pinnacle of peak

[bitter pollen]

I love when games have a proper Old Soldier, Abelard's fun and knightly

[stone hawk]

So I'm in Act 3 and I have just learned an important lesson. ||Don't be a smartass to Tarvantias the Archmachinator||.

[wary topaz]

Yes

[stone hawk]

||Honestly wasn't expecting him to just game over me. No battle, just a "fuck you" and that was it.||

[eternal agate]

this is the section of the game i am most critical of

i don't mind the premise, the execution borrows heavily from a choose your own adventure book published around 1993, and not a particularly well designed one

[safe surge]

Being able to just lose in the storybook section ||when being chased by that flying thing|| was very lame lol

But also how the act starts is very unimpressive

[eternal agate]

i didn't mind ||getting slammed into the dirt and losing all of my gear and my carefully planned party and my build suddenly being unmitigated trash||

[safe surge]

I had a fun bug where one of my characters ||suddenly got all their stuff back before I was supposed to||. Which was pretty convenient

[eternal agate]

it was jarring but in a good way

oh god the first time i played you could access your cargo hold

[safe surge]

lmao

You can also put stuff in your cargo hold if you aren't careful ||which makes it hard to do things without weapons||

[stone hawk]

So I beat the game the other day. I enjoyed my time with it. Act 4 and 5 weren't as bad as I was led to believe, probably helps that most of their issues have been patched up. Was a little annoyed that I never reached Rank 5 of Iconoclast even though I'm pretty sure I picked every Icono option I ran into.

[safe surge]

You apparently have to romance the delf to hit max rank for iconoclast :/

[stone hawk]

Ah

I didn't even let him in the party

[safe surge]

I think Act 4 is a bit too long. If it ended almost immediately ||after the escape from the arena|| it would be more tolerable for me

same lol

||hard for a corpse to join the party after all||

[stone hawk]

||Oh I had him join me for the arena fight but chased him away at the Den. Seeing everyone else in the party go "We ain't stopping that. lol, lamo" when I asked why they're just standing there as Ulfar is threatening Marz was just too good.||

Couldn't max out all the venders either. Finished all of them save for the Fellowship of the Void and the Navy.

Was so close to maxing the Navy.

Only way I could see to max them was to waste time hoping more ship battles would spawn from random colony events.

||And then Act 5 taunts me with Necron ship trophies that I can't sell.||

[eternal agate]

i think you aren't supposed to be able to max all the factions out, you should have been ok for the navy though

[safe surge]

Yeah, you can comfortably max two

Plus the Navy

But you need to build both Navy rep buildings to do it which is kind of blah

[dapper condor]

i wonder if i can make a melta/flamer/aoe ranged pyro psyker work

[bitter pollen]

Melee Pyro worked out I think you could make it happen, probably not gonna be Soldier Squad Destroyer but nothing seems weak

[safe surge]

Soldier/Archmilitant with pistols, the items that gives you extra shots on crit and free reloads is unhinged

Though mostly because that first item is broken I think (it gives you an extra attack option for each hit, which is a lot if you use one of those 8 attack pistols)

[stone hawk]

Now if only we could steal Jae's dual pistol talent.

[safe surge]

What does that do?

[stone hawk]

"Gunslinger: While Jae is fighting with weapons in both hands, the attack from the second hand (depending on which hand she attacked with first in the round) does not cost any additional AP."

[safe surge]

Oh, that would be even more ridiculous, yeah

Though you don't need that extra power level lol

Also, I'm upset at Jae for not taking the "extra officer turn". Literally the most powerful one Jae. What are you doing?

[dapper condor]

the thing is i believe arc militant and soldier do have multiple attack with weapon not necearly with psyker powers. taht said the pyro psyker is mainly here to set himself on fire and use that as a buff (and if i go archmilitant a bit of biomancy wouldn't hurt)

[dapper condor]

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/069/504/528/large/l-j-koh-armoured-azkalon-for-artstation.jpg?1700303448 wanted to use this portrait even

[stone hawk]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2186680/view/4185613970223713932

[safe surge]

Oh no, but the archmillitant was how I beat the harder difficulties

[eternal agate]

maybe you can just set people on fire now

i found pyro absolutely woeful throughout

[safe surge]

I was going to do a heretic psyker run as my next one after some time

(I already did the other two)

[jovial anvil]

Having nerfs but no buffs feels weird

[civic musk]

Uuuuuugh they should know better

[eternal agate]

i think we will have to see how the whole thing shakes out

crushing extra turns into the floor will certainly affect archmilitant, that was how they got so powerful in the first place

i think if they had a sensible time generating stacks then they shouldn't need too much in the way of numerical changes, it doesn't matter that a turn 5 militant is wrecking everything but it matters that they get to that stage by the end of turn 1 thanks to your officers

[safe surge]

They did buff pyro

But archmilitant and extra turns were pretty silly

But some of the bad interactions were questionable (like the gain extra attacks on pistol crits item, which I'm pretty sure shouldn't give more than one once lol)

[stone hawk]

It said that Pyromancy would be getting some buffs and Sanctioned Psykers can get their Psy Ratings up like 6 levels earlier.

[wary topaz]

Action Economy abuse was the stupidest thing conceivable to put in the game in the first place

And putting in compensatory buffs because the classes are absurdly overturned defeats the point of making the game not absurdly overtuned

Arch militant/officer abuse was stupid

[jovial anvil]

the game also feels balanced around crazy PCs, especially fights post act 2 where you need to out break the opposition

bounty hunter also felt very weak

officer/arch militant was stupid good but it felt really rough when I stopped using it

I'd loose PCs before their turns or just fail to kill large numbers of foes before they overwhelmed me (before even egtting to bosses...)

[eternal agate]

a bounty hunter sucks

three bounty hunters is pretty strong

[wary topaz]

Bounty hunter does, admittedly blow

But master tac and assassin are amazing

I imagine arch mil will still be really good

Thr problem with arch mil is that it's totalizing

It's always correct to consolidate more action economy into AM

To the point that you feed it other characters turns

Actually let's be real, you can run bounty hunter okay, but it's very much not the intended circle

The rotation on bounty sucks

But autocrits and free attacks are absurd

If everyone got buffed to AM levels, the game would be trivial

So wither the AM comes down, or difficulty I'd artificially inflated

[safe surge]

It was a bit too easy to get PCs so crazy it trivialized encounters. I think on my second playthrough I killed the final boss on turn 1 or 2 lol

The part of bounty hunter that is good is that the extra turns you get that does not allow attacks did allow psychic attacks lol

[jovial anvil]

I killed the final boss turn 1 with two officers and argenta tbh

I was also starting to feel burnt out after that maze level and just wanted to see the story

[safe surge]

Maze level?

[stone hawk]

Quetza Temer if I had to guess.

[safe surge]

Oh, that's fair

[stone hawk]

https://roguetrader.owlcat.games/news/en/38

[civic musk]

Okay this actually looks amazing

Psykers are gonna be way better

Arch militants will scale less as the fight continues but will start out stronger

And:

Arch-militant psyker now works far better than before - psychic powers now count as attacks of an appropriate type for the purposes of Versatility Arch-militant feature. Syphon Life, Psychic Shriek, Mind Rupture, Ignite, Incinerate, Purge Soul, and Vision of Death now count as single-target ranged attacks. Psychic Assault, Emperor's Wrath, Lightning Arc, Molten Beam, and Firestorm count as ranged area attacks. Inferno counts as a ranged burst attack;

I get the feeling this may be the new meta

Which uh

Sounds good to me! :D

[twin anchor]

Fixed the description of a body on Rykadi Philia, where the text "There are no wounds on the body" was visually represented by a model literally lacking its bottom half;

The grasping hands of the Inquisition could take away the player's Halo Device even if the Rogue Trader was hiding in their bedroom while putting the device on, and Heinrix was not nearby. It is now fixed;

[safe surge]

Octaviana will stop being surprised EVERY time Sister Argenta visits Adeptus Amasecus;

This wasn't a bug that should have been fixed imo

[stone hawk]

https://youtu.be/_pwCNWrK0co?si=1YXbUtbnMKpy-_IX

[barren nacelle]

Abelard, can I date the Death Cultist?

[stone hawk]

Don't think they've confirmed or denied that yet.

[civic musk]

I’m really looking forward to Psyker Archmilitant tbh

Warrior talent - Scissoring Strike
Prerequisite: Break Through
When the Warrior uses Slash with two melee weapons equipped, the Warrior deals damage from both weapons.

This looks cool too

Two sword fire wizard agogo

[barren nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAFtJx4OX0M

[barren nacelle]

She better be romanceable. I hate having only Jae and Yrliet as my romance options. Still salty about Cassia

[civic musk]

Wait y no Cassia?

Oh because gay

Took me a second to make the connection

[jovial anvil]

ooh, gsc enemy faction gets mining tools

going to wait for DLC 2 to come out for my second playthrough though

especially since that one will apparently come with more archetypes, and hopefully backgrounds

[stone hawk]

So I just found out she will be romancable by both genders.

[barren nacelle]

[barren nacelle]

Woops, I did not pay as close attention I guess to how some of my companions were going ||mainly just my Inquisitor acolyte. I know I messed up big time with Pasqal so was kinda expecting what happened between him in Yriel in the epilogue slides. But my more democratic, and progressive minded Rogue Trader manage to get the Expanse to leave the Imperium which resulted in a good chunk of her companions clashing with her dynasty eventually. Though she also manage to swipe most of the region’s Imperial fleet from the Imperium too. And has Nomos protecting her and the Expanse||

[civic musk]

I'm gonna hold off on giving this another shot until the Death Cult woman releases

[jovial anvil]

I'm planning on holding off until DLC 2 and just do them both at once wiht a new game

[civic musk]

Yeah I might do that too

Do we have any idea what DLC 2 is gonna be?

[jovial anvil]

imperial tithe with a arbites companion

[civic musk]

Ahhhhhh

[stone hawk]

It'll also go more into the past of your Dynasty.

[safe surge]

I also totally missed the ||Yriel and Pasqal conflict and how it lead to the end||

Oh, does anything special happen if you leave the ||alien bits in pasqal||?

[dapper condor]

On one hand i'm a chaos player at heart on the other i really don't want to disapoint Abelard

[stone hawk]

https://x.com/OwlcatGames/status/1811415156825694270?t=7IvyaVQXhZ9tIKk683wTow&s=19

Owlcat Games (@OwlcatGames) on X

Lord Captains.
We have urgent news for all of you.

Twitter · Jul 11, 2024, 3:00 PM

[eternal agate]

i love delays

please continue to delay until only the funny bugs remain

[ebon forge]

Besides, I'll be very busy in August, so this is just being nice to me personally by releasing a better DLC at a time that is better for me.

I can appreciate that.

[young sundial]

Cowards, give me bugs

[tidal parcel]

why does owlcat hate me

sep 24th: rogue trader dlc

sep 25th: frostpunk 2

I can't do both

[young sundial]

Every time you have to reload a save you have to switch between the two games.

[thorn dirge]

FP2 is on Sep 20th (delayed from Jul 25th)

[tidal parcel]

oh I thought it was sep 25th

not sep 20th

[dapper condor]

I wonder is i should go Soldier or warrior for an archmilitant Pyro psyker

[amber ridge]

Psyker warrior was good fun

Though I went sanctic and...

fuck idr what else

honestly probably pyro

[wary topaz]

Sanctic was real good, but that was mostly with master tac in my playthroughs

[brittle matrix]

God I'm loving Idira.

[civic musk]

IIRC the big rebalance made warrior better in a few ways

[young sundial]

As a character or a dealer of death on the battlefield?

Or both

[dapper condor]

Yay i think i'll begin worrior Bio psyker and then get pyro stuff

[dapper condor]

I swear sir inquisitor I'm not an heretic i can be trusted

[brittle matrix]

Yes.

[dapper condor]

i'mverry stocks about the new executioner archetype

[jovial anvil]

Oh?

New archetype reveals?

[stone hawk]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2186680/view/4265557936889641697

[jovial anvil]

Seems fun, very rakdos feeling

Going to wait for both before I get back into it though

Shame we don’t get more backgrounds and home planets though, I think the game needed more of those

[twin anchor]

Huh, damage over time focus. I'll admit, I'm curious. As a lot of foes rarely last more than a single turn, so DOT is intriguing.

[jovial anvil]

I wasn’t a fan of how rocket tag the game got at the end

It was all about broken builds and you’d die if you didn’t

[twin anchor]

Blade Dancer does look fun/I might need to see if that or Warrior is best for my 'Go after people with a 2 handed sword' character.

[stone hawk]

Blade Dancer is 100% going to be the Death Cult companion's starting archtype.

[jovial anvil]

I wonder when it’ll take place

Act 2 was the best part of the game

[stone hawk]

Probably Act 2 with maybe some Act 4. It's supposed to focus pretty much just on our Voidship.

So maybe some Act 1 as well? If they want to give us the companion that early.

[wary topaz]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a new scenario

[brittle matrix]

It's probably gonna be like how Owlcat's pathfinder games handled it. integrated into the base game but also playable as it's own module.

[wary topaz]

Yeah thast what I was thinking of

[stone hawk]

Nah, this is most likely going to be one of the main game integrated only DLCs.

Something like the DLC that added Kineticist class and the Twins companions in KM as well as Shifter class and Ulbrig in WotR.

[stone hawk]

https://youtu.be/hsgKGORxxXc?si=prZWWHBy9USIFKL9

Void Shadows is out

[dapper condor]

I'm going for a warrior-executioner build ,with drukhari weapon and biomancy and pyromancy

[amber ridge]

Are you able to play the DLC with a save you've beaten the game on?

[brittle matrix]

Owlcat justifying my restartitis by making it so I have to do a new campaign to do the dlc.

[amber ridge]

lol

[jovial anvil]

I'm waiting for both to come out for that reason

[dapper condor]

I have fuck up. I'm in act two and wanted to switch Argenta to a flamer builde... but like the two handed flamer are in act 1

So I guess i' ll have to start over ( àd try blade dancer)

[twin anchor]

How is Blade Dancer? I'm looking at starting over again and sorta caught between Blade Dancer and Warrior for 'I want to make an old Rogue Trader character of mine, who was an Psyker Duelist who Might Have Been Inspired By Twilight Suzuka'

[dapper condor]

I tried it a bit witj kibellaj and ot looks fun enough

You do a lot per round but i feel a bit less than a warrior with your heroic

[dapper condor]

Im thinking some sort of weed samurai for my pyro blade dàcer

[twin anchor]

How is pyro for melee characters now? I remember it got a rework but I'd been looking at Divination for Super Dodging

[dapper condor]

I mean if you're playing forge world and takefire of the forge you take more or less no damage (but you already have talent that reduxe damage taken) i think it’s back draft that deal combustiob when you get hit in melee, use a psyker power or take damage from burn

[civic musk]

"Ninjas can't catch me if I'm on fire"

[twin anchor]

Fair. I'd not worked out what planet would be best for this hypothetical psyker blade dancer yet.

[dapper condor]

the only downside to it compared to deathworld is that you don't get a boost to your AGI from the get go

[brittle matrix]

Did they remove the bolter from rykad minoris?

[brittle matrix]

Nope, misrembered where it was lol.

[dapper condor]

okay here my Bladedancer build (rn i'm level 14 so only the last upgrade to deathwaltz in not unlocked) I play on normal so i don't know if it work on unfair

[dapper condor]

hey i made a flamer argent should i pushe her into Tactian or to Archmilitant

[amber ridge]

When I played, Archmil Argenta was the meta and also badass, but I had her on Bolter

I think Archmil is still the way with a flamer cuz that's a multihit via AoE

[civic musk]

I know Archmilitant got buffed for psykers and nerfed somewhat for everyone else

[safe surge]

The Void Shadows DLC isn't on sale for Warhammer Day, but the Season Pass is such that it is cheaper than Void Shadows lol

[dapper condor]

I have a (time sensitive) question fish wife, goth wife of elf wife ? (Dogmatic run)

[amber ridge]

uh... proooobably fish wife (Cassia?)

or goth wife

[dapper condor]

(Cassi is fish wife yes, i've already told her she's beautifull...)

(But kibellah is trying to make "get into the maze of her mind")

[civic musk]

Goth wife

[dapper condor]

Okay she looks like she's going to cute my fingers

[brittle matrix]

Oh they added a new voice! And it seems like they increased the list of random ship and character names.

[civic musk]

Holy shit Owlcat

https://tenor.com/mUFcmlmehTO.gif

[dapper condor]

Subtelty in warhammer pfft

[safe surge]

Is this from the DLC? This seems like a great way to start a fight with the totally-not-GS-cultists

[civic musk]

This is from the DLC but it is not in conversation with the Death Cult

[safe surge]

Wait, there is a death cult. But not the same death cult that the death cult assasin is from?

[civic musk]

No that’s the same one

Ohhhhh you meant the genestealer cult

I haven’t seen them yet

This is from when you visit the real underdecks while trying to visit Kibellah’s death cult

[safe surge]

Still a great way to start a fight

Is this additional act 2 stuff?

[civic musk]

I’m not sure what happens if you pick it

I just like how explicitly it calls out the desire to literally be the boot

[safe surge]

lol, yeah

[civic musk]

Nah, it’s Act 1

[safe surge]

Interesting

My loyalist rogue trader might have picked that option lol

[civic musk]

I did Cassia’s station and then on my way to Rykad the death cult showed up and invited me to visit with them

They do a whole murder-parade

I’m not exaggerating, it is a parade that involves killing people

Honestly there’s enough new stuff that I almost want to stop and wait for the second DLC

[safe surge]

Ok, so I get that ships are like 20k people and everyone is expendable etc. But how is there a clan system with such a high death rate and refreshments coming from random places lol

[civic musk]

Bladedancer is really cool btw

It seems to specialize in dealing with large numbers of weaker foes in melee, so far

So they’re killing people who they have identified as seditious elements, mostly in the lower decks

Not people from their own clan

They’re basically a cult of people who are what cops imagine the Punisher to be

But with more swords

[civic musk]

That said when I saw the literal waterfall of blood in their chamber I had a similar reaction

It’s just a 40k thing XD

[safe surge]

Oh, I meant in general wrt the death rate. Like it's high independent of death cultists, they just definitely don't help lmao

I did not realize death cult assassins were cop-like. Though I guess they'd have to go after undesirable elements given how tolerated the are

[civic musk]

They’re not part of the administrative apparatus but yeah they’re intensely loyal to the Emperor

But yeah I mean for the Imperium of Man to be remotely sustainable you have to sort of assume that for most humans they show up once every five or six generations

Cause mass death and trauma

[cunning wigeon]

the entire joke is basically that death cults are Normal because hte imperium doesn't give a shit about individual lives compared to Order

[civic musk]

And then leave

A lot of what the Imperium actually does is kidnap people to replenish numbers on its key worlds, no?

[cunning wigeon]

that's what the hive worlds are for basically yeah

take the Imperial Tithe

and those people get funneled into the various branches that need constant replenishment

the tithe usually includes a large number of small children, probably orphans

[civic musk]

They show up, kidnap 2% of your population, and then you don’t see them again for 300 years

[cunning wigeon]

and those go to the various brainwashing academies for the more specialist stuff

[stone hawk]

Speaking of the Imperial Tithe. From what I understand the next DLC is going to involve it.

[civic musk]

So they say

The new companion will be a space cop

[cunning wigeon]

the tithe is a common way to depict the bureaucratic horror of the imperium

the classic being "this world was designated for a 10% personnel tithe 500 years ago and we're going to extract it even though it was half-eaten by tyrannids 20 years ago"

[civic musk]

One thing I like about this game is that it’s pretty good at depicting humanity as both mired in a fascist horror-state and still people underneath it all

Which I think is fundamental to good 40k stuff

[jovial anvil]

that is my plan

[civic musk]

But I’m having a good enough time that I don’t think I will

Bunch of new crew officers too

Apparently your ship’s top priest is a weirdly joyous guy for a priest of the Imperium

I’ve also been getting a ton of interactions with my background penalty and bonus

I’m not sure if that’s true for all backgrounds but it’s coming up surprisingly often

[brittle matrix]

Rogue Trader: Abelard, see that Xenos?
Abelard: Yes Lord-Captain.
RT: I don't want to anymore.
Abelard: Understood, right away Lord-Captain.
https://fixupx.com/sister_ames/status/1843504771514413521?t=sx9fobKc4dAlR1bq2loPog&s=19

[civic musk]

It’s true, that is one of the best things about RT

[safe surge]

And this is why act 3 is the worst

[civic musk]

Oh wild ... they've expanded at least one existing quest to accommodate the presence of a new officer on the bridge

[twin anchor]

Oh?

[civic musk]

The Master At Arms is a fleshed-out character now and shows up in Abelard's first errand

[twin anchor]

Cool

[civic musk]

Running a psyker warrior who lights himself on fire

Having a great time

[dapper condor]

I do the same as a bladedancer

[bitter pollen]

Having the opposite of my usual rpg problem, every class seems fun and I cannot decide on a damn character

[dapper condor]

that's why you have companon

[civic musk]

I think it's worth playing as some type of psyker in general

Psykers are cool and they get some cool little story stuff

[amber ridge]

Psykers fun

[young sundial]

whats the difference?

[dapper condor]

most build for group : "Abelard is a bit weak, use Heinrix or Ulfgar"
Me : But who's goin,g to present me now 😦

[civic musk]

Vanguard Abelard with big sword is rad

Dude's functionally invulnerable and can draw fire

[amber ridge]

'Abelard's a bit weak'

visible confusion

[dapper condor]

it's what i read, i'm still gonna use him

[amber ridge]

You should, they're wrong lmao

Abelard, especially when built for aoe attacks, is fucking great

[twin anchor]

He's an absolute brick shithouse

And brings solid naval officer support

[safe surge]

"Abelard is a bit weak" is only true in that so many of the companions are cracked lol

[civic musk]

Just about everyone can be cracked if built right

RT has a ridiculously high optimization threshold

[amber ridge]

Yeah I was cracked as an archmil warrior because I was a psyker

So I had like

Five different psychic flavors of ‘die’

And also a force sword

[civic musk]

Kibellah.

[young sundial]

Idira lies, listen to her Adelia

[safe surge]

lmao

You know someone is off the deep end when the payker is the most mentally stable person in the room

Is Kibellah Dogmatic aligned?

[dapper condor]

level 3 in dogmatic if i'm not mistaken

[civic musk]

Kisbellah is dogmatic but in a somewhat odd way

And I think there may be wiggle room with her character development

[safe surge]

Argenta was also somewhat weird. Some of the things she asked you to do were iconoclast options (namely, the nice ones lol)

I think only the player character is the most straightforwardly Dogmatic character if you play them that way?

[civic musk]

In general this game understands that people have some amount of nuance

[safe surge]

Yeah

[brittle matrix]

Oh yeah I love that about the game, and how each of the prologue companions reflect one of the convictions but aren't just like caricatures. Idira is an heretic unsanctioned psyker who doesn't care about the imperial faith, but isn't a full blown chaos worshiper either, Abelard is an Iconoclast and cares about the common people, but clings tightly to rules and tradition even when it hurts those same people, and Argenta is dogmatic and a fervent believer in the imperial cult, but cares deeply for protecting the innocent when the most zealous of the same creed would insist no such thing exists.

[civic musk]

I think part of it is that -- and this pervades most good 40k works -- the writing understands that the world of 40k is completely awful and insane but that the people in it are mostly still people, navigating that awful insanity as best they can

[civic musk]

Aww

[safe surge]

Idria hasn't been paying attention tbh

[tight flare]

Argenta constantly threatens to shoot her in the head so I get it

[twin anchor]

But kindly

[civic musk]

awwwwwww

tbh I love these jerks

[safe surge]

lmao

[civic musk]

I think Jae has a crush on the most predictable woman in the cosmos

[twin anchor]

Jae and Argenta are fun

[dapper condor]

Jae is a criminal but she repect Big E

kinda everyone in footfall

[civic musk]

Okay so I'm doing the genestealer cult mission

It's been pretty great up to this point and then

Oh man it's so cool, spoilers ||there's an area where the villains turn off the lights, and you get a flashlight servo-skull that tracks your cursor movements||

[civic musk]

Absolutely terrified that ||one of the new bridge officers is going to betray me and turn out to be a genestealer cultist, it would be such a sensible story beat||

[civic musk]

It is a bit unfortunate that there have been Dogmatic choices here and there that I've been comfortable taking, but basically every Heretical choice I've seen has been completely and inarguably terrible

[bitter pollen]

Yeahh, Heretical starts at 1000% Heresy and stays there, hard to play sort of fledgling curiousity or something

[cunning wigeon]

There are a few arguably reasonable heretical choices, mostly around letting psykers have a go at things

But overall it's pretty blatantly the BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD path yeah

Iconoclast kind of eats all the reasonable deviations from imperial creed

[civic musk]

I like that Iconoclast is there but

I dunno, I wonder if Heretical couldn't have something more

Especially since there is a (single) heretical companion and she is a good egg

Also: I like that Heinrix is often well-intentioned and reasonable

[twin anchor]

I feel like heretical would have been interesting for a Xenos companion.

Not just Pure Chaos Stuff but engaging with forbidden arts, technology and magic.

[civic musk]

I think it tracks that the xenos companions don't have any of the convictions

Their perspectives are analogous to but not bounded by any of the Imperium's norms

[twin anchor]

True but once you rule out 'Xenos', the heretical that isn't just 'being a normal functional person' is mostly limited to Chaos

[civic musk]

Part of it is also that grouping xenos in with the heretical stuff that is chaos would be odd

Because most xenos kinda hate chaos a lot

[tight flare]

I remember popping off so hard when I first booted up the game and realized that Iconoclast was a thing

[bitter pollen]

Y'know Firestorm I think 'adjacent targets' undersold you, this sure seems to explode 3 hexes in erry direction

[safe surge]

Iconoclast also eats all of the xenos related heretical stuff

But there is that one track at the top that is dogmatic vs heretical + iconoclast (I don't know if it does anything though)

[dapper condor]

when you play pyrodancer

[civic musk]

Pyrodancer looks cool

Are you doing it with Archmilitant or Executioner?

[dapper condor]

executioner

[civic musk]

Being able to trigger 10 million burn stacks is strong

[dapper condor]

plus bleed stack depedning on you medicae

and biophysique distortion

i'm only in act 2

[civic musk]

I'm doing Warrior into Arch-Militant and making comical numbers of attacks each turn

Me too

Although I'm like level 28 or something

[dapper condor]

i'll give you buils if you like

[civic musk]

I'm following one already

... might even be the same set of builds, come to think of it

The "Revan" build?

Because there is a pyrodancer listed as an alternative there

[dapper condor]

no

i'm doing my thing

[jovial anvil]

Did they add any new backgrounds or origins because those are what found the game to be missing

[brittle matrix]

It took me 3 restarts to realize you have two ring/accessory slots.

[civic musk]

Mild void shadows spoilers but also bwahahahahaha ||she has a pet rock||

[safe surge]

Absolutely amazing patchnote:

After defeating the Aurora, instead of the usual cutscene on the voidship, the player could sometimes receive the bathing dialogue instead, causing the game to break in wild ways - fixed;

[civic musk]

ahahahahaha

[dapper condor]

sory aldari this is real life the mutant get the Lord Captain

[civic musk]

Not the cultist?

[dapper condor]

Yrilet came to me with his "let me show you the world" and while i try being nice, when she aske me "how do you see the world ?" I answered with "In this grim darkness i onmy see the light of the emperor"

[dapper condor]

Cassia is cuter

[civic musk]

buh, can't believe this

[safe surge]

Yrilet's romance is so funny because it starts with her realizing that humans can also have an inner world as complex as hers (I hit it by accident and never finished it lol)

[dapper condor]

don't want to begin more than one romance cause i don't want to break anyone's heart

[bitter pollen]

Cassia especially seems like a bad heart to break

[dapper condor]

so it's cassia from here on out and I not even sorry.

(will give her all the birds)

[safe surge]

Though I'm sure an Eldar would make the absolute worst ex

Probably a path dedicated to it

[dapper condor]

i mean i'll die way before her ressentment could crystalize

[safe surge]

lol

[dapper condor]

"We're over."
a few centuries later"What do you me we're over"
LC fucking ded like 80 years ago

[bitter pollen]

It truly seems random what this game deems an ambush

[safe surge]

I suspect it's a flag set on an encounter

(and some characters let you avoid them)

[civic musk]

I really like it

Yrliet is interesting because she is in some ways the most human -- by modern standards -- of the cast

[bitter pollen]

Also somehow got ||Aurora (Chaos Marine)|| stuck in the last combat of chapter 1? Just kept running back and forth between my two melee folks like it was trying to find space to shoot but couldn't decide

gave the poor dear anxiety

[young sundial]

This enforcers story has put Jocasta on the edge of her seat

[bitter pollen]

Whoever decided they should keep giving enemies stun grenades needs to go directly to prison

[dapper condor]

i realized of brokezn pyro dancer was when my LC got a free turn from cassia ) to set himself on fire and deatn from above jump next to a tzeentch screamer. next turn was his and i proc lik 10 stack of cumbstion and 12 of bleed. Kiling the ray immediatly.

I had to reload my save before that fight and well my pyrodancer was like 7th in the initiative queue... The fucking ray manage to summon more deamons...

[civic musk]

Even without pyromancy, blade dancers/executioner can go absolutely wild at times

The only problem is that the one ability that triggers all DoT stacks on your next hit doesn't seem to work with blood oath

I'm finding pyro warrior/archmilitant to be absolutely wild as well

Although it's more of a true gish in that it uses both spells and attacks alternating

Firestorm is a hell of a drug

[bitter pollen]

I'm a Pyromancer Vanguard and it's been delightful having all these enemies so enthusiastically throw themselves upon the pyre

[civic musk]

Everybody runs at you and then you use counterattacks followed by Firestorm?

Vanguard is really strong

[bitter pollen]

Counterattacks and Boiling Blood, they just love to activate it

Psyker Powers in melee mean free swings for the enemy that only hurt them more, s'fun

[civic musk]

Boiling blood ... does that do retaliatory damage or something?

I can't remember offhand

[bitter pollen]

When you cast, when you burn, bleed, or suffer melee damage, everyone nearby takes 4X Psy Rating

[civic musk]

aha

That's good, yeah

[bitter pollen]

seems to apply to every instance, too, and activates Backdraft

really.. fills out the combat tracker

[bitter pollen]

Heavy Armor much more delightful than anticipated, seeing the big scary damage calculation and then just "x O.13, 0 Damage"

[civic musk]

Heavy Armor is good, yeah

[amber ridge]

you know who else I think won out with this dlc?

People who field Marazhai

He's an Operative, right?

So he can take the Bladedancer or whatever the advanced archetype is

Executioner cuz Bladedancer is the new base archetype, right?

[stone hawk]

He starts well into Assassin so not possible.

[amber ridge]

fuckin cringe

[wary topaz]

Marazhai is warrior into assassin

But you can also just do a full respec on him, can't you?

[bitter pollen]

When I respecced Jae from Vanguard it wouldn't let me adjust her Officer stuff, the base option might be set in stone

Also Jae why did it make you a Vanguard

[safe surge]

I think you have to pick the same classes/subclasses the character picked before? Or it used to work that way. Jae picked Vanguard? I thought she liked... tactician or whatever the leader shooter one was

[bitter pollen]

It defaulted her to Guard for me! I'unno, she's a Tactician now though

Don't quite understand making a not-durable Officer taunt focused