warhammer 40,000: rogue trader

[eternal agate]

also, extremely important question: what did you all name your ship

[jagged pine]

Rites of Sparagmos

[tight flare]

Kaltenstein

[eternal agate]

that sounds super above board and nonheretical

fortunately in the grim darkness of the far future they burned all the dictionaries so who’s say otherwise?

i broke with 40k tradition and am flying the No, You Move

[hardy tinsel]

Bulwark of Saint Drusus for me

[jagged pine]

Ahh, the Culture(d) route

[jovial anvil]

Despite carouse being my dump stat I broke the illusion with only poor willpower

||would’ve got arazai out the airlock if I hadn’t known he was recruitable||

[tight flare]

The whole start of act 3 was a ferocious curbstomp of failed checks for me
Really sold that 'lowest of the low' feeling at least

[jovial anvil]

Someone high up at owlcat clearly loves drukhari

[tight flare]

I'll tell you what though- looking forward to turning in all these xeno artefacts once I'm back on the ship

[hardy tinsel]

Why so?

[jovial anvil]

Clearly you haven’t reached act three yet

[hardy tinsel]

I have

Lol

It's weird to say they love them, I think it's just good portrayal

Especially since this is the first game since DoW Soulstorm where they've made a major appearance ever

And that game was a joke

[jovial anvil]

They give a ton of screen time to one of the smaller and less popular factions

[hardy tinsel]

Which is a good thing

I dunno, it feels like you're trying to portray it as a negative

[wary topaz]

Unforgiven

[tight flare]

Oh God
Just cleared Act 3
||Heinrix is the fucking Lann of this game isn't he||

I cannot believe the only options during his dialogue after you get back to the ship is ||KISS BACK|| or ||FUCKING SLAP HIM IN HIS FACE||

I'm kind of with it tho
A weird impulsive ||love triangle between a rogue trader, inquisitor, and eldar|| is just the kind of drama a game with this conceit needs

[wary topaz]

My run is like, hilariously scuffed. So far I've lost Idira, Heinrix, Cassia and Marazhai

[hardy tinsel]

Holy shit, how

[tight flare]

The only one of those I can't make a good guess at is Heinrix

(cheating because I just know how sayt lost cassia cause they talked about it)

[wary topaz]

Argentia shot Idira, I broke Heinrix's quest on Kiava but shooting someone sus so he buggered off, and I myself shot Marazhai for being an evil piece of shit after he asked for hunting grounds in my ship after I recruited him, and I never saw Cassia in Commora so she got left there

I liked Idira, but she's unsanctioned and thats too fuckin dangerous

[tight flare]

(for the record, cassias in ||a sensory deprivation tank behind the Haemonculus||)

[wary topaz]

Yeah I just never saw the interaction point

[tight flare]

There is a solid 60% chance that it simply elected not to appear
This game is unstable

[jagged pine]

I have all the companions but suspect I'll be shooting Marazhai shortly. Just finished act 3

[wary topaz]

Tempted to give advice, I will refrain

[hardy tinsel]

Installing Toybox is basically mandatory as the game stands imo

[tight flare]

I have de softlocked myself twice with it yes

[hardy tinsel]

There will be glitches and you can self troubleshoot them with a bit of effort

[tight flare]

Once by booting myself to the global map, another time by warping into the ||Anatomical Opera|| when I could not leave a room

[hardy tinsel]

Yeaaaah, same

I learnt how to edit Etudes and quest flags, managed to unfuck two of them

[wary topaz]

I should grab toybox tbh

It also didn't occur to me until today how much dodge reduction is in Pasqual's background kit

Would respect him there if I didn't already have two snipers

[hardy tinsel]

Pasqal is mad useful, annoying how you can't use certain Assassin abilities with his ranged though

[wary topaz]

Honestly I'd go melee for him as an assassin

But I'm having another go at grand strat

[twin anchor]

Melee Assassin is fun because of Keep Your Distance being a terror

I think next time I do a run it will be with Warrior Into Assassin.

Though it's really hard to compete with the horror that is arch militant.

Hmm...if you want Super Killy over Super Tanky I wonder if Assassin or Arch Militant is better for a warrior

[tight flare]

Honestly while the output is less reliable my Assassin is keeping up with melta argenta
And the control aspects from keep your distance helps

See here

[hardy tinsel]

I actually think that Assassin is the overall better class if you aren't abusing Arch Militant's enormous Officer synergy

Since it starts at peak potential

[tight flare]

I dunno.... free attacks are pretty big....
Even if you aren't cheating out wildfire stacks if you take BIG ASS GUNS you get into 'AP discount' territory pretty quick

I do love the big single hits on Assassin tho

[hardy tinsel]

Yeah like uh

I've had Yrilet bag a 400 in one go

So

[tight flare]

Jeez
Maybe I should have made her one instead of a bounty hunter lmao

[bitter pollen]

Respec doesn't letcha choose new paths, eh?

[tight flare]

It lets you repick your second archetype, but not your first

[bitter pollen]

ahh

[tight flare]

So if you started as warrior and became arch militant, you could respec to warrior/assassin but not officer/grand strategist

[wary topaz]

I think my next run might be a commissary officer into master tac

I also feel like burst weapons eat every other non sniper weapons lunch?

Mostly because it also gets concentrated fire

And concentrated+rapid burst fire is just so absurd

[tight flare]

I like meltas
I have seen the carnage that Heavy Bolters can wreak thanks to Ulfar but I prefer the control of area templates
No accidentally beaning Yrliet with 6 runaway crits

[wary topaz]

Oof

I deal with that by having Yrliet in the back line, and giving Argenta the recoil gloves

[tight flare]

OR more accurately 6 overpenetration crits

[wary topaz]

Ahhh

Well there's an ability for that, ig

And talents which just give +25% dodge, -25% damage for friendly fire

[tight flare]

Since Argenta is so speedy I often send her running around behind the enemies so she doesn't have to deal with cover
Which means that the rest of the team is behind the enemies for her
But yeah, there are ways around it

[wary topaz]

See, I'd go for parallel Flanks rather than rear

[wary topaz]

Oh yeah! And I missed Jae!

[tight flare]

My word
that's like, verging into 'incapable of fielding a full party' territory

[hardy tinsel]

Wow

[wary topaz]

Yeah I have a few generated bodyguards

I can still field yrliet, pasqual, Ulfar, Argenta, RT and Abelard

But I'm tending to field a sanctic master tac officer

Over Abel

[ebon forge]

Willpower only. Carouse isn't required - I didn't have it and failed that check!

[wary topaz]

Oh wow, Argenta actually just like, gavea compliment to Yrliet?

She then lamented that she will never know the light of Terra

Thats like

[gray flume]

Does arch militant work in psychic and melee in tandem?

If so I regret choosing vanguard

[ebon forge]

Respec can fix that, luckily.

Iirc, it does work, or at least should work for the attacking abilities.

[viscid berry]

heard theres a bug where it doesnt add full damage to psyker powers

[jovial anvil]

I have my rt more wp than I should’ve and managed to pass the check even though I failed the carouse

[viscid berry]

still adds damage, the maths just wonky

[jovial anvil]

A lot of the math feels wonky

I’m going to take a break as they work on well, finishing the game

[jovial anvil]

I love it and have 60 hours but it has a lot of flaws that need to be fixed

[viscid berry]

double AA rpg classic tbh

[ebon forge]

But it's still completely understandable to take a break because of it.

[jovial anvil]

I’ve heard the game gets more like this as it progresses as well

[safe surge]

Pretty classic for games that take a long time. The earlier stuff gets a lot more playtesting

[ebon forge]

Also, in this case, the public beta simply didn't include all the content, and apparently it really shows.

Which, look, I get not wanting to spoil the story, but just call it proper Early Access and release all of it.

That way, you can still do a big full 1.0 release, and be reasonably sure that you avoid a big batch of bad reviews from people experiencing bad bugs.

And people who aren't terminally online generally won't be spoiled or are capable of avoiding spoilers.

[safe surge]

That happened to BG3 too lol. Though probably not as bad

[wary topaz]

Bg3 also has a much more confined scope

And invested so much more into animation and va

[viscid berry]

BG3 changed hugely between EA and full release

I still kinda like old wyll more tbh

personally I'm in the middle of RT Act 2 and haven't really run into wild bugs yet

a single combat broke, but eh
it happens

Kingmaker, Divinity 2, and (so I've heard from friends - haven't beaten it yet) BG3 also had rougher final acts than the rest of the game

[eternal agate]

yeah nothing has broken for me that a reload hasn’t fixed yet

[jovial anvil]

A lot of people want an ork companion huh

[wary topaz]

I haven't really had anything gamebreaking happen, but sometimes void combat movement charts don't show, or hit chances don't appear over enemies, or firing animations don't play

[jovial anvil]

Flamethrowers firing in the wrong direction visually has been a common one

90 degree guns are pretty funny

[wary topaz]

yeah

Does anyone know where ||Quetza Temer|| is in act 4?

Can't find it on the Star map

[hardy tinsel]

It's in ||Nameless Star? Iirc||

[wary topaz]

I'll see if I can find it

I feel like I've explored everything, but it seems I haven't, and I'm not sure where to go from here

[shadow storm]

It is in fact in ||Nameless Star, in the southeast||

[wary topaz]

Yeh!

Also, Emperor's wrath sanctic major power is great

[jagged pine]

Ahhh, having some major bug issues for the first time in act 4

Might be time to put the game aside for a while heh

[viscid berry]

hmmmmm

I mean
when I said my character was a sniper thats not really what I had in mind

[twin anchor]

Yeah I think for my next run I'm going to recreate one of my old PCs. warrior/Psyker/Assassin. Pity Heretic in this is more 'I like pain' than the others. As she was dangerously close to falling to slannesh out of sheer murderhobo (Non-bloodlust edition)

See if I can make the Sactic Supersword work.

[hardy tinsel]

It does seem really good

[twin anchor]

That or finally have a character that actually keeps the demon blade

[hardy tinsel]

[twin anchor]

What could possibly go wrong?

[wary topaz]

...I don't fuckin understand some of the itemisation in this game

You get two party members who can equip this, neither want medium armor or a WP build?!

[tidal parcel]

Lol

I think you can get talents for it

[wary topaz]

I mean I could toybox them into a build useful for it

Now, If my Yrliet was a bounty and not an assassin, this would be pretty damn good:

[tidal parcel]

High Agility is always good tbf

[wary topaz]

It is, but the dodge penalty is also a malus on assassin's lethality

[twin anchor]

'medium armour doesn't penalize dodge' is soldier only iirc?

[wary topaz]

Annoyingly!

I'll probably save it until I have better agi on her

There's also like

an Eldar only headpiece

That gives+25 commerce and persuasion

Which are bad skills for both the Eldar you can get!

[twin anchor]

Man imagine how bullshit an Eldar soldier would be.

[wary topaz]

God yeah

Oh, I found something called the daredevil pistol

It nutso

same ROF as the heavy bolter, worse range and armor pen, burst fire costs 0AP

[twin anchor]

Cripes

[wary topaz]

oh, higher base damage too

[twin anchor]

0 ap for that man shots is...a lot

[wary topaz]

on a pistol

So she's currently dual wielding that and ||Chorda's|| Inferno pistol

With the hb in the other slot

[twin anchor]

It would be cool if once you got the Eldar you could make Eldar Party Members.

[wary topaz]

Yeah

[twin anchor]

To make use of the heavier Eldar armour

[wary topaz]

Lemme make a striking scorpion

[verbal maple]

How moddable are Owlcat's games? This doesn't sound too difficult

Maybe not a Striking Scorpion, but making Eldar companions

I haven't recruited either of the elves yet, but from what I'm hearing ||both of them are a huge fucking hassle and require strong mental gymnastics to keep around, so I guess that could also be a way of not locking yourself out of eldar gear and not being showered in contempt every time they speak||

How cool, 90% of "mods" I see on Nexus are AI generated portrait packs

This fucking blows

[wary topaz]

Yrliet is fine. She's distant, aloof and arrogant, but her writing is actually amazing

[tidal parcel]

Distant aloof and arrogant

Like an aeldari

[wary topaz]

Yeah

THe other one is a giant piece of shit tho

[twin anchor]

To be fair: Dark Eldar

Giant piece of shit is default state

[ebon forge]

I'm currently in Act III, and wow, that's a change of pace.

The revelation about Theodora's murderer came entirely out of nowhere...

And I'm super worried I'll miss the ability to save all my companions...

[twin anchor]

I refuse to believe Theodora's murder was anything mundane because her bodyguard was an arch militant and that's too OP a class to be defeated mundanely.

[ebon forge]

Well, he didn't have time to get his stacks going.

Argenta got knocked out recently too! After eviscerating half an enemy's HP with her first attack, her turn got interrupted and she got two-shot.

Still allowed everyone else to end the enemy, but she went down!

But in the vast majority of fights, she's my problem solver in the classic "see that enemy - yes, sir - I don't want to - heavy bolter sound" way.

[wary topaz]

y'know, looking at the vendor material

There's definately an assassin heinrix dump agi for WP build

wait etf

Ancient plasma rifle

"deals an additional 2xint damage'

note the lack of

bonus

[sand crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-fromsoft-from-software-emboldened-by-the-flame-of-ambition-soulsborne-gif-21914783

The Flame of Ambition, because I'm running a pyromancer RT.

[ebon forge]

The Blade Itself, after an amazing mission in the Freespace 2 mod Blue Planet, in which you get to play a capship.

[ebon forge]

Somehow I think this rifle isn't meant to be a 1-handed weapon...

I guess this works xD

[tight flare]

I still haven't found a pistol better than the Elite Blast Pistols for Jae
Hell, I haven't found better weapons in general

[ebon forge]

She has the Winterscale rifle and a blast rifle (plus for now, a sword) for now.

She doesn't do much shooting, tbh.

[tight flare]

Which subclass did you pick?
I went Tactician for me and the blast pistols really like that loop of 'support->support->KILL'

[ebon forge]

WHAT
||And now she just vanished after throwing the reunion party?!||

WHAT?!

I also went Tactician, though I mostly use her to have argenta kill people xD

[tight flare]

Oh yeah, me too but
She's got a double whammy on my build where whenever someone uses a heroic act, she gets an extra turn with 2 AP, and her next attack costs 0 AP
So whenever Argenta gets her multishot Act up she can follow it up with two blasts

[ebon forge]

Oooh, nice.

I really gotta find those elite blast pistols - I think I only have regular ones.

[tight flare]

What act are you in? Where in the story?
Cuz one is guaranteed loot from the main quest

[ebon forge]

I'm about to wrap up Act 3, it feels like.

Rescued everyone, failed Jae's sidequest in order to not have her disappear into thin air...

[tight flare]

Then you should have gotten an elite blast pistol from ||one of the baddies on the jungle planet near the end of act 2, during your first meeting with Marazhai||
And I feel like there was another one in another plot mandated act 3 fight
Try double checking your inventory, they look exactly like normal Blast Pistols so it can be hard to tell

Hopefully you didn't cargo them on accident

[ebon forge]

I must've.

I have 6 regular ones, no elites.

Oh well. I don't really need the extra firepower.

[jovial anvil]

Same, ||I assumed one of the ridge members was a calidus||

The season pass says that new archetypes will come in dlc 2, I wonder what they could add

[tight flare]

This is so hard not to comment on

[twin anchor]

New archtypes will be interesting. Maybe they'll finally let you make a navigator and break the game personally.

[jovial anvil]

I’d love to make a navigator but that’s more because I think navigators are really cool then their strength

[wary topaz]

Season pass says we're getting an arbite

[jovial anvil]

They have psychic powers without the warp downside, a huge tool kit to pick from, and the ability to use their main stats for hp and dodge

[jovial anvil]

Arbite and death cult assassin

[wary topaz]

You can make a navigator!

You just have to lose Cassia

Yeah

[tight flare]

Judge Dredd 👀

[jovial anvil]

I was meaning as a pc, how's the customization for the navigator?

My brother is one of those who has similar feelings for adeptus mechanicus

[wary topaz]

Nav customisation is pretty good, you get to spec into Crit chance, ally buffing or resistance check penalties, and your free choice of archetype and homeworld

[ebon forge]

Aw, I've just had a pretty big narrative... break? bug? dunno how to call it.

[twin anchor]

I hope we get some new homeworlds with the pass.

Maybe some more that don't penalize fellowship. XD

[ebon forge]

I just ||escaped from Commoragh and now Janris is reporting that Jae spent a lot of effort trying to find me - but she was with me the entire time.||

And now I have a convo with ||her|| in which I have options for both not having heard it before and having heard it 😦

[eternal agate]

ah yeah, i left her at home and she is now reminiscing about what a hard time we had

[wary topaz]

That could be a result of toybox settings?

[eternal agate]

i don’t have mods

[wary topaz]

Alright

I know you can turn on interjections from absent party members

[safe surge]

That's pretty funny. Just them voxing in from the Frigate to complain

[wary topaz]

Yeah

[jovial anvil]

which one does Cassia have?

[wary topaz]

I'm not sure, actually

I can't check 🙂

They're each "Path of X"

I think one is Open Door

[jovial anvil]

imagine if we could build an astartes bodyguard, a blood angels one would be cool

[tidal parcel]

That would go so hard

I think if you go heretic there might be room for bodyguards?

[jovial anvil]

is there aesthetic customization for navigators?

[twin anchor]

'Hello I am a normal Rogue Trader. This is my definitely not a chaos space marine'

[tidal parcel]

Lol

[wary topaz]

You get to build them as you would another character, but there are some unique mutations for them they can get

[jovial anvil]

cool, I'd have loved to build one even if it would've turned out to be broken

I wish that neavigators and psykers ahd their own 'voidtouched' class or something

[wary topaz]

Yeah

[tidal parcel]

I think they dont really need a whole different class

Like they work with all the other archetypes

And you can just take the myriad of psyker talents if you want to focus on those instead

[jovial anvil]

is there a similar thing for replacing pasqual?

[tidal parcel]

Dont think so

[hardy tinsel]

No one wants to replace Pasqual, he rules

[tight flare]

I imagine the unique situation with Cassia and hirelings is only partly because she's Super Unique and more because the game simply no longer makes sense if you don't have a navigator

[wary topaz]

I'm considering toyboxing pasqual into a warrior in my next run

[tidal parcel]

Thry honestly coulda just said that u have a navigator but will not bring them out on missions (because that would be stupid)

[wary topaz]

Okay, so the Ancient plasma rifle says that it grants "Deals an additional +(2 x Int) damage", but looking at the damage calculator, an Int of 75 gives you a +32% damage boost

[hardy tinsel]

Nah, Navigators are a class in the actual RT TTRPG

They had to include em

[wary topaz]

oh lmao

Grand strat zones didn't get cleaned up

[jagged pine]

kjdfjsdfjshdf instafail stealth sections do not work in this

Alright, the payoff at the end of the mission was superb and worth it. FINE, ROGUE TRADER

[ebon forge]

Uh - are the people in this crowd humans?

Also, that's a hell of a quest. I hope I did the right thing...

||I condemned the Drivestems for their negligence and scheming against the Werserians. I didn't think it was Sauerbeck, because they'd not be this sneaky.||

[ebon forge]

Reloaded, because it bugged out, and now I'm investigating a bit more....

[wary topaz]

Those are meant to be humans, but the animation is fuckin weird

[ebon forge]

(yeah, it's obviously bugged ^^)

Yay, I found an elite blast pistol

[lime raptor]

Question regarding psyker mechanics (potential Rykad Minoris spoilers), ||I thought that you could only get Perils if you were above veil degradation 15, but Idira keeps summoning demons (or one specific demon). Is that an unsanctioned psyker thing, a Rykad Minoris thing, an Idira thing, or am I just misunderstanding veil degradation?||

[eternal agate]

||honestly things are not terribly clear to me on what goes on with idira and she's the only proper psyker i actually use, she definitely generates peril effects at lower degradation levels although she's never summoned a demon, it's people falling over for me||

[lime raptor]

||She managed to summon a Screamer of Tzeentch twice on the walk from the starport to the command post for me, I'm hoping that's just poor luck, but it's making me fairly dubious of having her in the party||

(Neither time at high veil degradation)

[hardy tinsel]

What difficulty are you on?

[lime raptor]

The one above the default, I believe? Whichever it was that doesn't have any positive or negative modifiers

Daring

Admittedly I was using psyker powers a lot, but they were all minor ones

[shadow storm]

It's an ||unsanctioned psyker thing specifically. They have a flat 5% chance to trigger Perils no matter what, as far as I can tell.||

[lime raptor]

Ahhh, ||that makes my plan of "use a bunch of minor powers" a rather terrible idea for an unsanctioned psyker||

[lime raptor]

Okay I think something is a bit wonky about No Respite plus Seize the Initiative

(This is on turn 0)

[eternal agate]

on the other hand she can just wipe encounters in a truly comical fashion, especially in tandem with cassia they just don’t get a turn sometimes

[lime raptor]

Yeah but I mean I already have Argenta and Cassia for that

[eternal agate]

i didn’t take archmilitant but even so it’s hard to see it being less point and click than idira

[lime raptor]

Her Lightning is exceptionally satisfying

[eternal agate]

any encounter featuring a clump of weak enemies or two or more people standing in a line tends to end really quite quickly

[lime raptor]

I'm still quite early so IDK if enemies get tanky enough to make this less viable, but Argenta with a flamer and the Officer heroic act thing with the upgrade that gives +1 AP every time you kill an enemy can just snowball to ridiculous proportions

Presumably the same is true of Idira's lightning

But I'm a bit wary of overusing that

[eternal agate]

throughout the game there are various things that are viable for a bit and then start to become less so, or at least pale compared to the increasingly broken shit you can do

one thing i’ve found is that it’s hard to turn down the starting archetype heroic actions in favour of the later ones

[lime raptor]

Unsurprising, but glad to hear it

Helps keep the game fresh

[hardy tinsel]

I honestly think Idira is extremely good, between stuff like the fantastic Divination buffs and the extremely gross Telepathy attacks + Pain Channeling

[eternal agate]

notable exception for master tactician

[lime raptor]

I'm a bit disappointed that Pain Channeling doesn't seem to chain, but admittedly it's already bonkers enough

[jovial anvil]

Idira just has a permanent chance to trigger perils

[eternal agate]

she also, i have read, has +1 psy level just for showing up

[hardy tinsel]

Yup

[twin anchor]

Yeah. She's Big But Unsafe.

Which is generally a good tradeoff for her.

As it makes a lot of her powers go from 'Yay, I hurt him' on other psykers to 'Oh, he fucking ceased to exist'

[hardy tinsel]

Her Heretic leaning also gives her access to some extremely good Psyker items

[tight flare]

I remember her very first turn during ||the fall of Rykad|| she blew up and a Bloodletter took her place
And we still won, and that's about how I've felt about her since
Now that was partially my bad because uhhhh
I hadn't gotten into the Groove of checking veil degradation, and wasn't savvy enough to recognize the visual effects yet

[twin anchor]

I will say, I know it's the Imperium but I do kinda wish your allies got a better spread of alignments. Everyone is fighting over the Dogmatic Items with barely anyone going for the others and Yriel not even having an alignment (Which is odd, as I'd peg her far into Iconoclast with her focus on compassion)

[hardy tinsel]

Yeaaaah, I know what you mean

I wish they had sub ranks, personally

[tight flare]

Is she particularly compassionate? She cares about her own people but not humans
You just have The Juice that makes her like you
But yeah, more Iconoclasts or Heretics would be nice

[hardy tinsel]

Argenta 100% should have one rank in Iconoclast at least

[tight flare]

She is very pro little guy yes

[hardy tinsel]

Give Pasqal a rank in Heretic. As a little treat

[wary topaz]

Yrliet is Iconoclast, but it's in reference to the Aeldari

She does some critique on the structures of the craftworld

[eternal agate]

thinking that eldar are better than humans? heresy 6

[tight flare]

Iconoclast generally implies being nice to everyone though
One of the main distinctions between it and Dogmatic in practice is 'yeah aliens are fine'

[wary topaz]

That is one of them, but there are other facets of each conviction

[tidal parcel]

Dogmatic also means you are not nice

[tight flare]

Yeah emphasis on 'one of'

[tidal parcel]

Argenta is only nice to literally like 3 groups of people: fanatics, the rogue trader, and children

[eternal agate]

blowing up a planet was probably the nicest thing i did

in the long run

[tight flare]

Perhaps I should have said main differences from the other ideologies

[hardy tinsel]

No Argenta advocates for leniency in a lot of cases dogmatics normally wouldn't

[tidal parcel]

And when I say fanatics I mean the SoB and ecclesiarchy and stuff

[wary topaz]

Argenta has compassion for most imperial citizens

[hardy tinsel]

^

[tidal parcel]

The SoB would never do this... /j

[twin anchor]

She also tends more towards 'Guys, you messed up' over 'immediate killing' when it's not too extreme. Like the ||Chaos amulets found among the lower decks members. She chastises them but doesn't argue for execution immediately||

[viscid berry]

one of the facets of Dogmatic is how much you hew to the faiths, so I get why Pasqal and Argenta fit into it

[tight flare]

Yeah she's nice to most people
She's just ferociously, ferociously kill-y against people outside of the Imperiums mores
Which show up a lot in the main quest
Like she goes to make an inspiring speech for the dudes stuck in Bureacracy Hell during Jae's quest

[viscid berry]

Pasqal is very traditionally Admech in his beliefs ||at the point in the game I'm at, idk if it changes||

[tidal parcel]

I think both iconoclast and dogmatic should assume worship of the emperor imo

Or omnissiah

[viscid berry]

Argenta and Pasqal have also been a little gung-ho about torture, or at least they don't care about reducing suffering if people 'deserve' it

[tidal parcel]

Like... its literally so massively ingrained into the Imperium that you would be hard pressed to find someone that does not recognise the emperor as an actual, literal god beyond people old enough to remember it

[viscid berry]

while I've had a few Iconoclast mercy kill options

[tidal parcel]

Even chaos recognise him as a god

[wary topaz]

Pasquale has some unorthodox dogmas

He is mostly mainstream tho

[twin anchor]

Even then, there's a lot of well...like her willingness to work with people and see the best in them more than most eldar would. Like say what you will about 'dumbfuckery' ||She actually did trust the Governer/there was a sense of actual betrayal when she found out she worked for The Thirsty One.||

[viscid berry]

yeah but I feel theres a difference between "Praise the emperor, god of man etc etc" and the true believers

Argenta ||talks about how she sees divine miracles specifically aimed at her, to guide her path||

[tidal parcel]

Look I want to be a liberation theologist in the 40k universe

[tight flare]

What act are you in 👀
Because (Act 3) ||Ulfar has a whole convo about how he views the Emperor as a man and not a god, and respects him more for it||

[tidal parcel]

I am only in act 2

[eternal agate]

well, first, that's heresy

[tight flare]

Do not clicky then, but there's some interesting stuff on that topic in your future

[eternal agate]

and second, what are you gonna do about it

[twin anchor]

Here's a funny thought: In 40k, Saint Celestine would likely be Iconoclast.

[wary topaz]

That's pretty typical for them

[tidal parcel]

But yea space marines are an exception because they have a special relationship to the emperor

(They are like his grandkids)

[twin anchor]

As she's very prone to 'Look, no. We're going to work with the xenos/show compassion to those faltering'. It's part of her 'Only sane man in most rooms' writing.

She gets zealous about Corruption and like...Chaos Stuff but her characterization throuout the entirety of the trip to Terra was 'If you space marines can't play nice with the Eldar, I'm turning this trip around and we're going back to cadia'. It's what gets Grayfax being too gay to function thinking she's secretly a heretic.

[wary topaz]

I mean, it's about facets! One of the facets of Dogmatic is faith in the imperial Creed. Another one is to be in alignment with the Imperium's laws and hierarchies.

[viscid berry]

honestly tbh I think almost any good tech priest should

I prefer to portray them as a thousand mini-cults strapped together

excusing their 'exploratory insight into the Omnissiahs ways'

while definitely calling everyone else hypocrites and heretics

I like that act 1 featured the a Monastery of the Motive Force

played admech ||and necron|| factions on the actual tabletop wrapped around the same flavor

[eternal agate]

i think if you have worked with machinery to any extent, you realise that if you want anything to work you have to commit some level of tech-heresy unless you have an unreasonable budget and staff

if you have worked with computers, you can delete the thing about staff and budget

[tidal parcel]

I am not a fan of how machine spirits are like

A thing now

[twin anchor]

I'm actually the other way about. I like a bit of animism in the 40k setting.

[eternal agate]

i have seen no evidence that they’re any more real than anything else, honestly

[tight flare]

Yeah what I've seen of machine spirits so far is 'the PC is interpreting the CPU fans spinning hard as the machine spirit being Mad Tired' or what have you

[tidal parcel]

I liked the whole idea of equating these things that are very much normal and mundane as being supernatural in origin

Rather than them being supernatural in origin and presenting as mundane boring things like a malfunction

[eternal agate]

that’s what they are though right?

(except for abominable intelligence)

[tidal parcel]

Yea but it used to be (atleast, afaik) very ambiguous about whether they really did exist or if they were just the mechanicus being religious

[ebon forge]

There's definitely more to machine spirits in 40k and even in this game, by this point.

Specifically ||your ship likely became an AI somehow|| and there's a colony event involving ||data angels||.

[tidal parcel]

Yeah machine spirits in 40k are definitely very real and actively do things

I just dunno if I personally vibe witg it

[tight flare]

Holy JESUS
This said, none of my Coercion dudes wear heavy armor 😔
I think Cassia would be Actually Immortal if I managed to get her into this though

85% armor and something like 15 deflection?

[viscid berry]

seconded that this is a thing that definitely happened

I'm split on a lot of mechanicus stuff

They're up there for one of my favorite factions

but its hard to thread the needle of them being both cargo culty and also still mostly competent

I like to think nearly all use of the term machine spirits is metaphor (knowing or not), or just the mechanicus being wrong - they aren't nearly that common

but they are a thing, sometimes

[tight flare]

Here I go respeccing again
Dual wielding these puppies means No Getting Hit Ever

[wary topaz]

Oh nice, where's the second from?

[tight flare]

You know how as you fill in projects for a colony, events have been cropping up?
That is from a certain end result of the final event for Janus

[wary topaz]

Ahh, okay, neat

And yeah, I got a Doral lance(!!) from either foulstone or kiava gamma

[tight flare]

Suits my character really well I think, like narratively
Dueling setup of sword and dagger, sword of imperial make and aeldari dagger

[lime raptor]

Okay, the fact that movement doesn't get paused when you spot a trap while moving around in combat is... irksome

Guess I'll move one tile at a time from now on

[tight flare]

Honestly I just storm through traps in combat
They do very little damage, the big pain in the ass is that they inflict Injuries out of combat

[lime raptor]

They inflict 'em in combat as well, it turns out

At least land mines do

[tight flare]

Huh, I could have sworn they did not

[lime raptor]

(Thankfully the Inquisitor has a power that removes injuries for free, not that I don't have a million medkits)

This one definitely did, and it was well below the 50% health threshold that would give you an injury normally

That's mostly why I'm annoyed, if I'd clicked a couple tiles to the right Cassia would've gone from fine to trauma'd

[tight flare]

I
What
I have seen skills go over 100%
This book makes people into Blanks

[gray flume]

Ok I have to ask

[tight flare]

Jae is now Immune To Psychics

[gray flume]

What should I just sell?

I keep adding only cargo treasures and enemy basi weapons and armor

Idk what else to sell

Also how do I increase profit factor

I decreased while I'm footfall

||Saving the mutants||

[twin anchor]

Oh, that is murderously good.

[tight flare]

Jae and Cassia are the only folks who have it at 100 ATM, and obv Cassia is a no go
Considering trying to get Argenta to 100 tho

If you use this with Counter Attack Stance, do you AoO twice 🤔

[tight flare]

It had always been my hope to be the Eviscerator wielder of the party but Adelard is Making It Work
Maybe we'll swap things around when I find some power armor but I'm liking how he's looking
85% armor and 18 deflection, and 'the display bugged out but its as high as it can get' parry%

[lime raptor]

Does Nerves of Steel stack? I am very tempted to go "Oops, all Master Tacticians"

[tight flare]

Also Argenta is now rocking the Gunslinger Fit
Dual wielding a super strong inferno pistol and a unique autopistol whose bursts cost 0 AP
Which I can see getting Sinful with the officer Act that removes your attack limit for a turn
Given her reloads are also 0 AP

[jagged pine]

oh hot damn

between this I'm just gonna send someone into the middle of any group and call it a day

[tight flare]

Oh huh
Did we just do the same fight lol

[jagged pine]

haha, possibly. I may be about to have a bad time tho

they have... a bit of health

[tight flare]

Oh hm
Perhaps uh
Not
The fight I got the auto striking power sword from was (Act 4) ||the showdown with Incendia Chorda||

[jagged pine]

ooh, yeah, thats where the sword was, just found these boots tho

[tight flare]

I see
||The showdown was rough ||
||I convinced Chorda to pass judgement on herself but that riled Hieronymous up so much he went and got himself killed fighting me||
||So uhh, Drusians? I dunno what happens to them now lol||

[jagged pine]

Well, that was... not as difficult as it might have been. A space marine making 8-10 attacks a turn tends to mulch everything

finally, a lore accurate space marine

[wary topaz]

That's a fun little fight with a terrifying drop

I'm up to the first boss on Euphrates 2, and oof

[lime raptor]

Meanwhile, I'm over here ensuring ||Aurora|| absolutely did not live up to their lore

(This was before they took their second turn, Navigators are silly)

[jagged pine]

The pure debuffs, beautiful

[jovial anvil]

I checked out the customization for the custom navigator, but it's really nothing to write home about. The mutations are clearly just chaos ones that they had lying about, the model doesn't even get a special third eye

[tidal parcel]

Skills go over 100% because you get negative modifiers

[wary topaz]

Yeah my pasc has like, 170~ tech use

[twin anchor]

I think some of what makes Keep Your Distance so consistently funny is how 'you fell down' animations are really...limp.

They're not really 'You hit the ground hard' so much as 'You kinda wobbled over and slumped'

So someone will run up and then just teeter-totter over

[jagged pine]

Watching a bloodletter charge up and then just wobble to the ground like their knees stopped working is consistently funny

[twin anchor]

I just had it with a dark eldar dodging like 10 pistol shots from NPCs, running up to Pasqal and then just falling into a food coma next to him.

[rare pagoda]

As fun as BG3 looks, I might gravitate towards Rogue Trader once it gets some patches.

[lime raptor]

It definitely does need the patches, I've been enjoying it a lot but at least Officer is kind of a buggy mess

[jovial anvil]

so there's definetly a ||genestealer insurrection growing on Dargonus right?||

[jagged pine]

Yes and they won't let me ||nuke the planet from orbit 😡||

I also found a space hulk that... Had similar issues...

[jovial anvil]

||I had my suspicions in the first one, but then they mention them using Goliaths and it's like, yeeeep||

||I went with 'isolate them in the desert' followed by 'hire them', and I'm looking forwards to seeing what comes next|| I wonder what the chains for the other options are

||You do have the option to just destroy the clans in the desert path|| which route do you go?

[jovial anvil]

oh neat, where did you find that one?

[jagged pine]

God knows, I don't remember at this point. I've been to every planet but who knows which had this

[tidal parcel]

BG3 is really, really good

And also cheaper rn

Which is what convinced me to buy bg3 over RT

[lime raptor]

BG3 is fantastic

Definitely recommend it, whether or not you eventually get RT

[jovial anvil]

bg3 is game of the year for a reason

I wonder if it'll get dlc

[twin anchor]

Man you know what I'm having trouble working out? Which faction to build reputation for first (Aside from Imperial Navy, as they work differently)

Which do you think is most important for like Colony Stuff?

[jovial anvil]

I'm building up the drusians since a lot of the stuff that interests me needs their support

sorry, I meant Kasballica

trading in that dirty xenos tech

I wish that trading was a page on the side instead of visiting the high factorum, would make things more streamlined

the game is apparently adding new archetypes in dlc 2, what do you guys think they might add, because I have no ideas

[jagged pine]

I have went all in on the mechanicus faction. Explorators?

[twin anchor]

Ah yes, average argenta turn

[jovial anvil]

yup, that next event on dragonus ||is clearly the shadows in the warp of an approaching tyranid invasion||

[jovial anvil]

colony managment is honestly really fun

man, I'm really second guessing myself in the werserian personal quest

[tight flare]

I admit I completely lost the thread on the Dargonus storyline right until (Act 4) ||It outright just slapped me in the face with 'FUCKING GENESTEALERS AAAAAAAA'||
I'm not very familiar with ||Tyrannid|| lore lmao
Things could have gone very bad had I not ||crushed the folk religion just to get the amazing item doing so got me||

[jovial anvil]

yeah, I had suspicions from the first and then each made me more and more certain of the problem

[twin anchor]

I've only done the first of that chain ||I guess I should have wiped them out||

[jovial anvil]

||I hired them myself even though I knew what they were, which was probably a mistake||

also, the glitched models of the crowd during Abelard’s quest was hilarious

[tight flare]

I did say what Act I was spoiling 😔

[twin anchor]

Well, I made an oops.

'Argenta, there is like 4 Servitors all in a square. Go run up and Multimelta them all'

Didn't notice the name of them was 'Volatile Servitor'

So there are no longer servitors but there is also no longer Argenta

[lime raptor]

She'll get better

[jovial anvil]

I couldn’t get the meltes to work tbh

I gave one to the space wolf and it felt piddly

[tight flare]

I've been running meltas on Argenta since the start of act 2 and I've really liked it
Very consistent damage even if it isn't insane burst, and merely being an arch militant means you get the burst anyway

[twin anchor]

I like Meltas

They feel like the 'Fair' alternative to Heavy Bolters 😛

[hardy tinsel]

Yeaaaah

[tight flare]

I've got the best of both worlds now
Since she's now dual wielding an inferno pistol and a really powerful unique autopistol

[twin anchor]

It still amuses me how like 90% of the time if Argenta and Yrliet are commenting on something, they're in agreement on what should happen, if not the reason for it.

Meanwhile 90% of my Heinrix conversations: "Rogue Trader, I am being dangerously close to compassionate but need to justify it by someone giving me an order to not be a wanker."

[tight flare]

Heinrix is VERY funny

[bitter pollen]

Heinrix has the tragic problem of being the same base build as me v-v

[lime raptor]

How much content will I miss if I leave Abelard on the ship? Thinking about swapping in Heinrix for him, since they do a lot of the same stuff but I'm currently lacking a psyker

[twin anchor]

I'll admit, the big thing I did with toolbox was turn on 'Characters talk even if they're not in the party'. XD

[rare pagoda]

I mean, this is a 40K game so I don't have to worry too much about playing Paragon.

[lime raptor]

I'll likely add that at some point

[tight flare]

Adelard does not have a great deal going on
The most amusing thing is that you can ask him to introduce you every time you speak with someone important

[lime raptor]

I have been enjoying that

Although actually that gives me even more reason to install toolbox

Because carrying around a voxcaster just so I can have my seneschal introduce me to important people over the radio is perfect

[tight flare]

Other than that the vast majority of his interactions are
'w-well I don't think this is very proper!!' when you do something unusual or
'H-how dare you!!' when someone bad mouths you

[twin anchor]

He mostly makes Indignant British Noises 😛

[lime raptor]

A crucial role, admittedly

[tight flare]

Yes, he's a huffy old prim and proper dude, not a GREAT deal going on beyond that
He has the occasional cool insight but thats the entire cast so

[rare pagoda]

Proper harrumphing?

[twin anchor]

He harrumphs very well

So with the colonies: Does anyone know where I can get some damn Mechanisms?

My industrial world can produce some.

But I need so many of them

[jovial anvil]

Mechanisms and chemicals are annoying

[jovial anvil]

I hope they add extra colonies to the dlc

Just fucking around the expanse is great

[tight flare]

There was a rogue like mode dlc in both prior owlcat games so we can expect that
'oh fuck sudden space hulk' possibly

[jagged pine]

It is so funny that you can just blatantly hit on Lady Sauerback in front of her husband

[jovial anvil]

You can?

There’s a lot I’ve missed unfortunately

||Didn’t realize I’d missed sone of the eldar in cormorant till later for instance|| looked high and low yet still missed them

[tight flare]

And everyone knows your hitting on her, and are just staring at you, flabbergasted
I broke it off like two dialogues in because I could feel the 'sauerback betrayal' flags ticking in real time

Fucking like
||pointing your weapon at him and 'jokingly' going 'haha a guy could KILL for a girl like this'||
????????

[jovial anvil]

Hilariously ||it’s actually her that betrays you||

Act 4 spoilers

[jagged pine]

yeah, I love it. And abelard, obviously, parries ||her quick assassination attempt at the end||

Just incredible shit

[tight flare]

And yes, during the (Act 3) ||Coronation ceremony on Dargonus|| you find the Sauerback patriarch, his wife, and a member of one of the other noble families chatting
And you barge in and hitting on her is basically 80% of the ensuing dialogue
It only exists for you to make the Sauerbacks hate you

[jagged pine]

It is a very particular kind of absurd humor but it hits so well for me

[jovial anvil]

I didn’t do that

I mostly had young saurback talking about how much he will kill Xenia before poking fun at how he has no blood on his hands despite his bravado

[twin anchor]

...wait...are the colony resource requirements like Profit Factor? Where you just need X or more, rather than spending it?

[jovial anvil]

Some cost it others need a minimum

Depends on the project

[tight flare]

I think it depends
I think I have completed some projects with no expidenture

[jovial anvil]

I wish there was a colony line about establishing a custom Astartes chapter in your territory

Like picking their name and geneseed

[jagged pine]

damn, that legendary pirate fight was rough

got out with 4 hp left on my flagship

[jovial anvil]

where was it?

[jagged pine]

had to chase it around the entire frickin galaxy over the course of 4 events

[twin anchor]

I am laughing my ass off at the end of chapter 2 || Where you meet one of the nobles who's family has been causing you trouble and you can turn the entire conversation into 'I would like to fuck your wife' dunking on him.||

I also really like that || For all the Inquisition is the boogyman of the imperium, the game shows that even an inquisitor needs to have some level of respect and politeness about them. It's very 'Everyone has power in the imperium, it's about how you use it'.||

[jovial anvil]

I keep telling myself I'll take a break from rogue trader then just keep going back to it

[lime raptor]

Is there any loot on the Drifting Voidship after ||fighting the Forgefiend||?

[jovial anvil]

agh, I just realized I should've brought yrliet with me to quetza temur

I ALSO FORGOT IDIRA GAH

how far back was my save...

[hardy tinsel]

Just Toybox them in

[jovial anvil]

ok, quetza tema is annoying

I hate this quest

[jovial anvil]

I wish I'd brought Jae with me to quetza because it turns out I lacked a face for all of those absurdly high difficulty checks you need to make

[twin anchor]

God I love how much the game lets you || Just completely dunk on Marachai||

[jovial anvil]

||just killed the Haemonculi, I definetly feel like I missed something, particularly since there's a room I can see a bit fo on the map that I can't seem to acess||

[twin anchor]

Something I can really say nicely about the game: Even in situations where you're at your worst and the game has clearly gone out of its way to put you in a bad situation - The game lets you still be cool.

Like pulling this off or ||Outtrolling the Dark Eldar in multiple situations.||

[wary topaz]

Yeah!

I love the iconoclast dialogue with that individual

Also new hotfix is out and lmao, some fo this stuff

I wondered why certain ships were fucking melting

[twin anchor]

Christ Pasqal

[jagged pine]

ahhh I think quetza temer has bugged out for me

each zone is showing like four exits stacked on top of each other, the main fella I'm following said talk to me then disappeared

time to reload

[wary topaz]

Holy SHIT

Ancient plasma rifle got fixed

it no longer does a bonus percent

It just does an additional double your int score

score

[jagged pine]

Ok, third time into the village, finally main fella didn't dissapear.

[wary topaz]

SCORE

[twin anchor]

Not mod?

That's not really 'fixed' so much as 'Cracked in half'

[wary topaz]

SCORE

I mean its what the item SAYS

+2xInt

[jovial anvil]

it's very buggy, and makes the forest maze even worse

[wary topaz]

Pasqual has 75 Int

It does +150 damage

Sanctic Good

[jovial anvil]

||also, I am now the only remaining rogue trader in the expanse, I wish that act 3 had built them and their problems up more instead of tosing us into the drukhari, and that's coming from someone who likes the buggers ||

||also, hieronomus is dead, with him taking over after Chorda's death, although it was quite a joke without her to deal with||

[twin anchor]

No Notes. Perfect Characterization.

How are the bugs in Act 3? Basicly: Pondering if I should take a shot with another character or keep going until chapter 4?

[jagged pine]

Act 3 was mostly bug free for me. Act 4 is when I started really encountering some Shit

but, as always, mileage, vary, etc

[hardy tinsel]

They just fixed a lot of bugs, so I'd say go for it

[wary topaz]

So, there is a limit to the number of exploits removable with tactical knowledge

It's not all, it's up to 30

[twin anchor]

nods

Okay. Cool. I'll get to the end of act 3, then play the other character I wanna mess about with.

[jovial anvil]

I wish I’d bothered with romances more

[viscid berry]

I've heard something about a bug with psyker talents?

another server I'm on reports none of the psy talents but the first one work

[twin anchor]

The ones for Psy Rating?

Hmm...pondering that mess about character. Which background do people think is best for a melee character? Militarium ability seems good for the 1/battle hefty damage boost but Ministorum has Flensing Faith for 'Just fucking destroy demons'

[jagged pine]

Watching ulfar kick somthing so hard it explodes on a wall is... mmmmm

[jovial anvil]

The game needs more backgrounds and home worlds

[viscid berry]

yeah, according to them

[twin anchor]

It really does. Though apparently there's more turning up soon? I heard something about Death Cult?

[hardy tinsel]

I don't mean to be rude, but you've said this about 4 times in the thread and it gets a bit old

[jagged pine]

I think this was the boss of act 4.

Two turns.

[tight flare]

Whops, didnt scroll

[jovial anvil]

The two dlcs will come with a death cult assassin and a adeptus arbites respectively, no talk about whether or not they’re will be more backgrounds/homeworkds, but 2 will have new archetypes

Not even sure what archetypes they could add tbh

[jovial anvil]

I’m definitely getting the dlc though, been loving the game despite the major flaws

[jovial anvil]

Yeah, that explained a lot

[twin anchor]

I could see them introducing more paths for Psykers.

Telekinesis or Storm Stuff (As they stripped all the Biolightning out of Biomancy)

[hardy tinsel]

I think the most obvious grabs are Telekine and the RT specific Cryomancy path Astropaths could take

[twin anchor]

Yeah. It would overload psyker a lot but...eh, there's already enough paths you literally can't buy everything from all of them.

[hardy tinsel]

Yeah, and they're already bumping up against actual class abilities on top of that

[twin anchor]

I could see Death Cult being a Background for Fast Melee characters.

[hardy tinsel]

Psykers can really cook in this game though

Stuff like the Cone 7 psychic scream + willpower test or get stunned in Telepathy is just jacked

It's why I think Idira is way better than I think people give her credit for

[twin anchor]

Man, if only there was someone who had that as their basic ability 😛

But more seriously: Yeah, Idira is terrifying if you just accept that sometimes she'll shove a demon in your backline.

I think Operative overall doesn't super help her. It's not bad but I do think she'd have likely been better with another archetype.

That said: I do also think that the veil is maybe a bit generous.

Mostly with how many things pull it back down.

stares at navigators dropping it by 1 every time they use a navigator ability

I also think it would have been fun to have more things that fuck up psykers.

The only thing you really have that does so is 'Oh, this is a fight in the warp, we're starting at veil break 15, are we?'

[hardy tinsel]

Yeah it's true lol

[twin anchor]

I'd have maybe moved Stabilizing Presence to a Sanctic-Only Ability and capped the Navigator trick at 1/round 😛

[hardy tinsel]

I actually think Operator is pretty good for her, since it leans on Perception + Will and it enables a fuckload of burst damage if you combine it + Assassin and Psychic Scream or something

[twin anchor]

Fair

[hardy tinsel]

I'm not sure what else would enable her too well

[twin anchor]

Also: I'd have totally had more Khorne and Tzeench Demons be able to Fuck Over Psykers 😛

Like making a bloodletter clear all psyker/navigator buffs on the target when it hits them.

[hardy tinsel]

That'd be really cool

[twin anchor]

Not enough to make psykers unplayable but to have some 'Oh, I'm in danger!' enemies for them.

I also think more NPCs should have knockback/forced positioning things.

Like let Daemonettes do a WP-resists 'walk towards me', complete with opportunity attacks.

[jagged pine]

pounding the table Let Idira Summon A Bloodthirster

[twin anchor]

To be fair, that would mostly result in Argenta sending the Bloodthirster into orbit via power of boltgun knockback

[jovial anvil]

followship of the void I think sell a telekenise staff that is unusable

[jagged pine]

THIS GAME JUST KEEPS GOING

[jovial anvil]

it really does

also, whyyyyy is there a stealth quest

this is awfull, crpg movement is not good for stealth

[viscid berry]

yeah they feel remarkably safe, even with bare minimum talent investment

[lime raptor]

Crpg movement to disarm traps is bad enough, and at least with those I can just say screw it and let Heinrix take care of the injuries

[tight flare]

I only got caught one time during that personally
The biggest issues for me was finding everything I needed to interact with

[twin anchor]

What's the stealth mission? I've not encountered that one yet.

[tight flare]

The one I'm talking about is ||part of Jae's quest in act 4||

[twin anchor]

Ah yeah, I'm nowhere that yet.

[hardy tinsel]

It's annoying but there's only like...two patrollers you need to deal with

You just need to only use one party member to do the interactables and bring Jae/a Tech-Use person to the last one

[wary topaz]

Whelp, that was a hell of a boss

Just beat Act 4 world two ||Eufrates 2|| Boss fights, ||A small squad of word bearers featuring a dark apostle and some hangers on, and then right after it a Lord of Change||

[jagged pine]

Act 4 keeps throwing larger things at me, but when I'm outputting literally thousands of damage per turn, the, uh, threat of things has decreased. Might need to bump the difficulty past daring

[hardy tinsel]

I think you also legitimately need to have a certain level of self restraint too

Like Heavy Bolter Argenta with Officer support is just unstoppable

[jagged pine]

This damn space marine is unstoppable too, doubly so with officers giving extra turns.

[viscid berry]

Arch Militant is probably the strongest class, yeah

its really good at murder

[hardy tinsel]

Arch Militant's talents are all just fucking cooking

Like, it has a really high proportion of bangers

Especially compared to Bounty Hunter, and Assassin to a lesser extent

[viscid berry]

a couple patches ago (maybe still now?) half the assassin talents didn't even work

the one that scales per opening wasn't triggering in games for me or other people I knew

[hardy tinsel]

Rip, lol

[twin anchor]

It's going to be really a challenge to not go Arch Militant with my melee character, as Assassin has the Vibes I want but Arch Militant is just a monster 😛

Also: Is it just me or are the Best Melee Weapons in the game Dark Eldar? Playing about with possibilities for that Melee Character and ending up at 'Yeah but power/chain expert seems a bit of a secondary concern when a Dark Eldar sword is neither of those'

[hardy tinsel]

You get some really good ones that spike your damage around Act 3, but Act 4 has some banger ones later, particularly in the Drusian tech tree and several projects

[twin anchor]

And I suppose imperial ones do get the talent bonuses.

[wary topaz]

See, I find that often my Assassins are outclassing Argenta is single target

[hardy tinsel]

The really good DE melee, like the Mandrake blades, also tend to have mediocre to bad armour pen

[twin anchor]

Alright. Forge World Sanctioned Psyker Warrior. Death World seemed better for like stats but Forge World has this:

[hardy tinsel]

Uhhhh

Is that new??

[twin anchor]

Nah, Forge World lets you pick 1/3 Fancy Cybernetics to start.

[hardy tinsel]

[tight flare]

Assassin does Work don't worry
Not as much as arch but it's balanced by better defenses
They get a skill that makes them count as the lowest priority target until they attack so as long as you use it as your last action in a turn people will never shoot at you

[twin anchor]

Locomotion System + Biomancy (Going for Warp Speed) = Zoomy Warrior.

[hardy tinsel]

Assassin can do some pretty sick single target with Killing Edge

[wary topaz]

Elusive shadow rules

As does killing edge

[tight flare]

I've seen melee bruisers AoO themselves to death on my assassin so many times cuz I popped that skill and they broke engagement to go after someone else

[lime raptor]

They did fix a bug today with Arch Militant that was making it even better than it should have been

Arch-Militant no longer receives 2 stacks of "Versatility" after every burst shot regardless of the previous attack;

[twin anchor]

I'll admit, I'm going Assassin like 99% because I love Keep Your Distance on melee characters.

[twin anchor]

Still bullshit but like...less bullshit at least XD

[tight flare]

lmao
I have not been bursting and argenta kills everything anyway but
lmao

[hardy tinsel]

Keep Your Distance is the funniest talent in the game hands down

Nothing compares

[tight flare]

It is
Sending my assassin out and she trips 3 dudes by happenstance
Incubus swordmaster charges me and suddenly loses all sensation in his legs

[lime raptor]

Yeah, I have three officers on my squad, Argenta is not exactly lacking Versatility stacks lol

[jagged pine]

oh god I found a flamer astartes weapon

[hardy tinsel]

The fact that becoming prone ends your turn is so fucked

I don't know why CRPGs are doing this lately but at least in this it very rarely happens to the player

[lime raptor]

BG3 is because Larian has always had a love affair with prone being a stun

[hardy tinsel]

(Looking at you, BG3 and Grease)

[lime raptor]

Unclear why Owlcat is following that example though

[hardy tinsel]

Larian likes hard CC too much

I'll say it

[tight flare]

Grease has been ending careers since kingmaker

[twin anchor]

I'd love more soft crowd control. Like imagine if Argenta could be hit with 'Take X damage whenever you make an attack' and you go 'Oh fuck, my heavy bolter' 😛

[lime raptor]

Flashbacks to D:OS2

[lime raptor]

I do like the blinding grenades some enemies have

[hardy tinsel]

Ooh, thorns would be nice

Encourage big burst damage over small ticks

[twin anchor]

And there's ||All these fucking spikey marines! :P||

[lime raptor]

Softer CC is also nice on the player side, since it means you don't have to give boss enemies "ignores CC"

Which never feels great

[twin anchor]

Another one I'd sorta like? Right now bosses tend to have a lot more HP than their mooks but I'd love to see more like 'If you attack my boss, I'll intercept or I'll retaliate'

[lime raptor]

Didn't the chaos thingy on ||the drifting voidship|| have this effect?

Or, well, "retaliate with a ranged attack whenever hit", which was actually even more interesting since it had AoE on its attack

[wary topaz]

Try baldurs gate 1 :p

[twin anchor]

Something I don't expect to happen but I'd have loved is: More Outfit Options.

Like, I would like to get out of my default outfit.

[tight flare]

I, meanwhile, want to get back into my outfit
The carapaces and flak vests invariably look worse than the cool coat with the epaulettes
You can use a body glove but the best light armor I have is a carapace

[wary topaz]

You get some great bodygloves

Mine has like 40% Armor

[twin anchor]

As an aside: It's amusing that warriors can't get Second Skin.

[wary topaz]

Yeah it's a bit :/

I guess they didn't want assassin's getting lethality with the benefits of medium armor?

[twin anchor]

A pity, as yeah. Warrior Into Assassin feels built for Second Skin

I'll admit, I've turned on one of the cheatier options. 'When out of combat, just take 50'.

As I'm enough of a completion hound that if I've got a 50/50 chance to pass it, I will reload and just do it again. 😛

[jovial anvil]

hmm, I need 7/7 efficiency and complacency for the Bastion on Dargonus which blocks the highest tier buildings, but mine are 3/6 and I don't seem to have any way to get them that high. Servitorizing the disenfranchised only gets me 3 efficiency and I don't know other ways to try and raise it

I don't know how to deal with this conundrum

[twin anchor]

Honestly, servitorize the disenfrancised anyway. It's for the best.

More seriously: There's a chunk of them that give +1 to all in your protectorate.

Maybe look at another world and see if you can drug people's food or something?

Spoilers: ||Man Chapter 3 has some fucking reveals for the companions/the shit they've gone through. Meanwhile Abelard is in the corner going 'I'm tired. I'm old. I miss my boss-wife'.||

[eternal agate]

well, that's that

i am somewhat tempted to try a playthrough where i kick argenta and idira off the ship to give the baddies a fighting chance

[twin anchor]

On the plus side with spoilers || I now understand how Mort lost the fight. Only an Arch-Militant can Defeat an Arch Militant. You must fight cheese with cheese.||

[wary topaz]

It's hilarious the degree to which warp encounters don't scale with acts

[hardy tinsel]

I swear it must be a bug

Cause yeah uhhh

I ran into an encounter at level 40 with a bunch of Khornate cultists and a Bloodletter which had...144hp

Toybox -> "Kill everybody"

Literal waste time

[twin anchor]

'Oh, man. Did I really need to bring the whole team for this?'

[hardy tinsel]

Literally my offense based party members could have soloed it easy breezy

Abelard could have done it without actions via his counterattack sword lmao

[twin anchor]

There's something very funny about Abelard walking in, just putting his hand on his sword and waiting.

[hardy tinsel]

I had a Khornate Berserker with mass parries and the Counter-Attack talent in Black Crusade

Parrying at 91 😌

[twin anchor]

Nice. I really liked the Arch Militant I played (The Unsanctioned Psyker Swordmaster I mentioned) who could dodge some real nonsense.

She was fun because she went to so much work to make it look like she was doing things effortlessly.

She had a list of augmentations the length of my arm...but refused to get any of them unless they were the quality level where they can seem like normal flesh.

[hardy tinsel]

Oh that rules

[twin anchor]

She also once got into a 'first blood' duel with a Slanneshi Blademaster, lost, drove her blade through his chest when he thought the fight was over...and framed the situation for 'It was to first blood and my first stab killed the heretic' because no one else was about.

She was just a mess of an egomaniac.

[hardy tinsel]

LOL

Fantastic

[twin anchor]

She was 100% drawing on my terrible first experience with playing Legend of the 5 Rings and Kakita Duelists played by assholes.

'I am the best at swords and I will cheat as much as needed to maintain my reputation of being perfect'

[hardy tinsel]

Oh god

We have two Kakita Duelists in my current L5R game

But they're good - one's a horrible little shit who hates his family and is very anti-Crane, the other is a horrible poet who's good with a sword but has a bad temper

[twin anchor]

Hahahah

I've told the story of my first encounter with L5R I believe and how terrible it was. XD

[hardy tinsel]

I'd love to hear it, lmao

[twin anchor]

I'll take it to the right channel but sure!

[hardy tinsel]

[twin anchor]

I also just met Ulfar. Gear god they got some sort of humanoid bassoon to voice him.

[hardy tinsel]

Oh his voice 100% has some odd filtering going on

It's an...interesting choice, but not one I'm wholly opposed to?

It does dehumanize him, set him apart from everyone else, which is good

[twin anchor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8hPSSZSL4 That or they got Geoff from this band to voice him, who manages a very similar voice without any editing.

(From 40 seconds in)

[hardy tinsel]

Wow, that's incredible

[twin anchor]

(I'm also amused by how appropriate the song choice is considering who we're talking about)

[hardy tinsel]

@twin anchor so I actually found a 40k one shot with the actual VA of Ulfar voicing, well, UIfar - they exaggerate the baritone a lot with filtering but the deep twang is real

[twin anchor]

Hah

Man, they really make you feel how his mindset is...focused. Like not stupid but looking at things from a very specific angle.

[hardy tinsel]

Yeah, I actually quite like his writing

As a Wolf he's closer to humanity than other chapters, but he is still very distinctly apart

[twin anchor]

I'd love to see their handle of a Blood Angel. As they're not the 'we don't do emotions' of like the Iron Hands and are very emotional but look at it from a very inhuman/mythical way.

[wary topaz]

I respecced Ulfar into a Warrior/Arch mil

ANd I am liking it

Though it's not so absurd as argentia, but the sword and pistol is great

Sword and pistol is real good for generating stacks with dual wielder

[twin anchor]

Urg, I need to restart chapter 3.

Not all of my companions spawned.

Stupid bug.

I'm not leaving this city without Abelard.

[wary topaz]

God, Deathdealer with the ancient plasma gun is too much

[hardy tinsel]

How do you get it again?

[wary topaz]

Explorators

[hardy tinsel]

Ough

Alrighty

I'm honestly struggling to hit rep requirements at this point

There's not enough cargo

[wary topaz]

Honestly I just toyboxed

I want toys

[hardy tinsel]

Extremely fair!

Okay I am now getting pissed off at Ulfar

||Why design Eufrates with multiple sections he literally can't walk into??? Why not just give him the ability to path through anyway?! I just had him literally unable to enter a combat because the design of a particular walkway made him unable to enter the cells during a fight! Argh!||

[wary topaz]

Yeah it's frustrating

[hardy tinsel]

||And his Charge ability. Is so fucking buggy. You target the enemy and he runs 20 fucking cells in the other direction aswgfbfd||

[wary topaz]

THere are some approaches to some rooms that are more favourable than others

[hardy tinsel]

I just made sure to put him ahead

[wary topaz]

I ahve reached act 5, and oh Boy

[wary topaz]

Oh God

Confident approach is busted with the sororitas power armor

Lmao

Two snipers run under the ||Necro Lokhust heavy destroyer||, snipe it in the back, activate Elusive Shadow

Also, rapid fire constrolled shot a heavy bolter at Ulfar, just to watch a space marine breakdance

[twin anchor]

What's the power armour do? I've yet to find any

[wary topaz]

Where confident approach forces crits, penalizes crit damage, but increased crit damage with your crit chance

[wary topaz]

Except it doesn't seem to clear

Maybe it only clears if your whole burst misses

[hardy tinsel]

Yeah I'm putting the game down for the night

Infuriating stuff

[jovial anvil]

||I’m glad I didn’t have to fight the harlequin since he deleted my the two 800 health bosses like they were nothing||

[eternal agate]

||alternatively, argenta bolters the shit out of it from the front and it doesn’t get a turn||

archmilitant nerf didn’t even touch her

[jovial anvil]

Also, the second Heinrich quest is great

Did sone story and failed it so went all the way across the expanse to do it and I don’t regret it

[jovial anvil]

There’s some real ‘wait rewind can you repeat that’ moments I wish you could comment on

[viscid berry]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2186680/view/3890611710929003772?l=english

I knew something was up with them

[lime raptor]

I had noticed that one of Heinrix's talents had gone blank

[jovial anvil]

Yeah that was funny

[eternal agate]

have anyone else’s broadside macrocannons turned into peashooters?

[jovial anvil]

did the vhaebos IV event with what|| I suspect is a hexmark||, the checks on that were insane, -80? I got lucky and I know it

[jovial anvil]

-100 checks? what is this

even if you or a party member specializes in it it's still a sub 50 hail mary

I've been on fire on checks recently wow

both this and the vheabos IV checks were sub 50 and I passed them

aww, I'm doing the ||Janus inquisitor|| event and Heinrix's and Jae's advice aren't changing the options like they do, I suspect that's a bug especially since Jae's is different than the original base

and then Marazhai's like, let's kill them lol, and I'm tempted

||and Marazhai completely botches it off||

I wish the game had let me actually use Jae's idea

||the fallout of trying to get Xenos to assasinate a bunch of inquisitors is going to be messy, I'm going to be in trouble lol||

[tight flare]

I just went with ||let the inquisitor do her thing||, then had ||the troops I sent to support her back the blue ghosts over the purple ones despite her wanting to kill them all||
And I got a very nice knife out of it 😌

[shadow storm]

Well then. That is certainly the worst test I've seen so far.

[wary topaz]

I mean I was mostly just going for the comedy of having the Assassins run through an enemy and then put on the diplomatic immunity buttons.

[jovial anvil]

Did it let you go with Heinrix or Jae's options? First and third remained unchanged for me despite their advice whihc usually didn't happen. Only remaining was Marezai's, ||who proceeded to fail at his task||

[twin anchor]

||Typical Marezai||

[jovial anvil]

ugh, eubrates 2 just goes on and on

there's an awfull room full of warp spirals that caused my team to take an absurd amount of injuries trying to navigate through it, so I just dropped the difficulty down to get through there faster

[hardy tinsel]

You can send one person through there to get to the other side and open a side entrance

[jovial anvil]

well it's too late now and I found a room full of chaos space marines so ugh

[hardy tinsel]

Can't you reload a save?

[tight flare]

Nope!

[jovial anvil]

I could've but I didn't, I just dropped diffculty since I'm done with this planet

shame, my Janus is an absolute hive of Xenoheresy, and I'm definetly going to be edaling with the problems of that later

||it said that the inquisitors seemed to know what was coming, so I'm guessing that Marazai's trap only works if Heinrix isn't in the party||

[wary topaz]

||Marazhai's trap has multiple vectors||

[jovial anvil]

||oh, so he's playing with you as much as them||. That is... very drukhari

[jovial anvil]

god this level keeps going,|| I kill uralon and voitgir who were hard even on easy due to the comical amount of injuries I got from that one warp room, and then BOOM lord of change||

[jovial anvil]

Would’ve been awesome if I hadn’t been burned out unfortunately

Not sure what they’ll do for the final boss

Since it’s hard to top this

[shadow storm]

Final boss stat spoilers:

That

[jovial anvil]

uhhhhhh

how does armor above 100% work?

[twin anchor]

At that point I'm just sorta assuming the boss as a Gimmick. ||As like a 80% armour debuff from an operative and a Meltagun wouldn't get through.||

[lime raptor]

You could debuff the bejeezus out of it or just direct damage your way through (Cassia says hi), but I'm guessing that's not the intended method

[hardy tinsel]

Expose Weakness can bring even really high armour down

[lime raptor]

I think there's ways to stack armor pen indefinitely as well, though I can't check rn

[jovial anvil]

I need more flagstone for projects

Flogstone

[wary topaz]

It just fuckin clicked that bounty hunter is meant to use the forced crits from Precision Shot and the talent that supports it

Where if an enemy has 10-your WP exploits on it, you just crit them

[wary topaz]

Extremely endgame loot, whew:

Still not nearly as good as ancient plasma

[tight flare]

Seems astonishing for arch militants

You can probably do all three shots and firestorm in one turn from the first round once you get the sixth AP which I assume exists

You know the games something special when your wondering if its a weird creepy star called 'Empty Name' or a texture bug with a placeholder in the name slot

Okay its a weird creepy star

I do think Empty Name was a bug tho

[jovial anvil]

failed the final check on Janus and my effeciency and complacency were both just wiped out ugh

what, 36 profit factor lost?! on a single event?

[wary topaz]

And thats credits for me!

Kind of absurd to me that the final boss has ||five figure hp|| and endgame weapons have like mid double digit damage

[jagged pine]

pasqal laying down some sick burns

[lime raptor]

Pasqal is consistently savage

[jovial anvil]

my profit factor has gone from over a hundred at the start of my session to just 18 from 'resource shortage:people' despite having a lot of them

[jovial anvil]

also, despite everyone saying that it's easy to raise rep with the navy, I've been having a hard time doing it tbh

||I really should have wiped out the brigadiers early, I knew they were gsc by the second event but kept them around and that was a mistake||

especially now that I know that things can have extremely disasterous consequences, I'm not sure which choices I made that led to ||Janus being ravaged||, but there probably was some on my part

really bummed me out honestly, I was really proud of my den of xeno heresy

I really hope it wasn't just 'it all comes down to a single roll' because that's what it felt like

and I failed the 60%

[wary topaz]

One thing to note is that navy rep materials don't always go to cargo properly

Check your 'Other' inventory tab

[lime raptor]

Can you respec later companions' first archetypes? In particular there are a few Operative talents I would really like Yrliet to have

[hardy tinsel]

You can't without Toybox, unfortunately

And the respec from 0 function is apparently buggy, though that might have been fixed

It's been fixed!

@lime raptor I honestly recommend Toybox in general, the game is buggy enough to need it

[lime raptor]

Yeah, I should really get around to installing it

[twin anchor]

God I love how much this game lets you dunk on this idiot.

[hardy tinsel]

It's so good

[twin anchor]

Okay, I am genuinely ticked off right now.

I've reloaded twice and it's still not spawning in come of my companions to be ||Rescued in that shithole dark eldar city.||

...oh son of a bitch. I think I've worked it out.

||Do they not add characters who were not in your party at the time you got captured? As I didn't bring him with me this time, I left him on the ship.||

[wary topaz]

yeah

I think so

[twin anchor]

...all this time I've been ||Trying to find people who were not even in the city. I feel very silly.||

[wary topaz]

Yeah only ||only the characters that were with you get abducted||

[twin anchor]

||Well, now I feel very silly.||

[stone hawk]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308403739381858315/1189280780216696832/IMG_5278.png?ex=659d9709&is=658b2209&hm=e610941b15c4e54b4862de1f2c052bf10189db4f09062357cb1ba65a3dc65155&|| Colony events can be silly sometimes.

[jovial anvil]

it gives you a great bonus though

there's only a single system left for me to visit, the path to the imperium

my bounty hunter build is now online, I've gone from being kinda an albatross for the team to a killing machine, especially once I get the commanders heroic act and can make a silly amount of attacks per turn

[jovial anvil]

I actually hit the attack limit once somehow

[eternal agate]

i only found two absolutely bullshit guns in endgame

there are a few decent options as well but this in particular is complete nonsense:

[jovial anvil]

We’re do you find that? That’s absurd

[eternal agate]

act 5, ||a hidden stash on one of the planets, i think beside a crashed shuttle||

special bonus: you are adjacent to yourself

[jagged pine]

OH MY GOD THERES AN ACT 5?!

[jagged pine]

big fan of the tired exasperation of my bridge crew as things get more and more wild for them

oh fuck the ||necron|| tease at the beginning of act5?!

This game just keeps giving

[stone hawk]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049416696798126091/1190781436001796096/20231221_094542.png?ex=65a30ca1&is=659097a1&hm=1c257e7a312d54aaba942ce8e3eef73e7051b590e17ceaed4d8bc4d560742ff1&|| End of Act 1 stuff

[hardy tinsel]

i dont get it

[stone hawk]

||At the end of act 1 if you don't blow up the reactor on Rykid Minoris then you get a permanent -5 Willpower Debuff, which is that icon. After the debuff hits Heinrix basically does a "I told you so" about the consequences.||

[hardy tinsel]

||Oh that went away for me. lmao||

[tight flare]

Why does he look all fucked up tho

[jagged pine]

whelp guess I gotta replay that combat

[lime raptor]

Whew, the Warp Event where ||you start alone in your quarters with 18 enemies, including several Daemonettes|| is nasty if you don't have a damage-focused RT

(||One party member joins from the elevator at the start of each round (starting with round 2), so it's actually more of a holdout mission, but even then that's rather dangerous when a triad of Daemonettes runs in and stacks their aura on you||)

Oh FFS, Inscribed Soul doesn't actually prevent Perils of the Warp

[jovial anvil]

that's a fun one, I got it really late in the game though so enemies were jokes by that point

[twin anchor]

Warp Events should likely scale more.

[lime raptor]

I've put a grand total of one archetype advancement into Ballistic Skill at this point, I'm level 22 lol

I don't hit people, I have people for that

[hardy tinsel]

Officer + Grand Strategist can just never attack and be fine

[lime raptor]

That's exactly what I'm running

[hardy tinsel]

[tight flare]

At this point I find myself going on deadly routes intentionally to test out build changes

[lime raptor]

Cassia is also Officer/Grand Strat, it becomes very very silly stacking Linchpin on Argenta or Yrliet

[bitter pollen]

How are the Grand Strategist zone things?

[lime raptor]

Oh wait

I meant Master Tactician

[bitter pollen]

Wait I might also be wrong

[tight flare]

I made cassia master tac so her eye lazers do 14238853574177237906539 damage yeah

[bitter pollen]

Tbf there's a lot of naming convention overlap

[lime raptor]

Grand Strat is zones, I have Pasqal as one of them

They're quietly good

[bitter pollen]

Pasqal continues to be the funniest mf on the ship

[twin anchor]

||If you get the special bolt shell item you can also entirely ignore BS as long as you single shot your boltgun/bolt pistol||

[tight flare]

Huh, wuzzat do

[lime raptor]

Like, you won't see ridiculous comboes or annihilating a room with eye lasers, but they enable all of that by just giving solid bonuses and helping with action econ

[lime raptor]

I completely forgot I even had this equipped on Argenta lol

[lime raptor]

||Single attacks with bolters auto hit||

[hardy tinsel]

The Grand Strategist zones don't seem like much but they're really potent, especially with the right Stratagems

[lime raptor]

I'm still annoyed that the one that prevents overpen just... doesn't

My biggest issue with the zones is they are clunky to place

[hardy tinsel]

Yeah they really need to let you free rotate them

[tight flare]

Huh
Neatish, tho I can't see bolter single shots doing a great deal very often

[twin anchor]

I'd love free rotate/not need LOS. As it's kinda annoying to have to go 'ah crap, I need to reposition my strategist it turns out he can't see the entire area/can't declare the area on the other side of those boxes the frontline'

[lime raptor]

If I remember that I have it equipped, it's would be quite nice right now, since Argenta's bolter is her longer range weapon, and Arch-Militant means she wants to be doing single shots fairly often

And she currently has Imperial Pride, which actually hits fairly hard

[twin anchor]

It would likely be pretty nice on a strategist/tactician as they've got a lot of stats they want.

[lime raptor]

The worst part is I usually have Pasqal placing them turn 0, which means he has no movement

(The Officer talent that gives you an extra turn with 2AP at the start of the combat, into Bring it Down to give Pasqal 5AP)

[jagged pine]

Ok, replayed this fight. Turn 1 total kill. Two officers with this + arch militant space marine. Just... just brutal.

[jovial anvil]

on to the point of no return, honestly the final of the game just doesn't feel built up properly unfortunately

[jagged pine]

Really? I loved the end of act 4. All the factions returning, etc.

[jovial anvil]

||I find there isn't enough build up for Xavier as the final villain, us doing final battle heroic speeches for him just doesn't feel right, and I usually adore those||

[jagged pine]

My only real complaint about it is that ||Heinrix has nothing to say about any of this shit. Which is weird! He should!|| end of act4 spoilers

[jovial anvil]

Yeah he was weirdly quiet

[lime raptor]

I've confirmed that you can get enough armor pen this would be viable btw - Bounty Hunter Yrliet just hit +280% permanent armor pen in round 1 (against the turrets at ||the bunker||)

The deflection would be annoying but that's just a matter of getting more damage bonuses

[wary topaz]

You can knock it into a Vuln, and you can just blasted it down

[verbal maple]

Doing the space battle above Kiava Gamma

Man these heretics got hands

[jovial anvil]

I’m at the final point of no return

[jovial anvil]

Officer is the best class in the game followed by arch militant

And since the game is such a build check, you’ll probably end up using them

[lime raptor]

The fact that "immobile" enemies like turrets can be moved by Navigator powers is very funny

[twin anchor]

Iki: "Hahahah, I am playing a sniper"
Also Iki:
"Dark Lance Be Upon You!"

[eternal agate]

rogue trader answering the questions “what if you gave a sniper a lascannon” and also “what if you gave a sniper two pistol-sized lascannons, would they just give up being a sniper and run shrieking at the enemy”

[tight flare]

This is making me consider getting Idira back into play
I have not used her since level uh
17
(we are 35)