Lancer: Enhanced Combat | Pilot NET | Page 3

spare kernel Jun 5, 2024, 8:24 PM

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making it 35 hp

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is it supposed to have 30 hp?

hardy sierra Jun 5, 2024, 8:48 PM

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Tier 3?

spare kernel Jun 5, 2024, 9:08 PM

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tier 1

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my question is, should i remove the +5 hp gained from ultra then?

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the resilient trait i mean btw

hardy sierra Jun 5, 2024, 10:01 PM

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Look at the book

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I think that includes ultra bonus hp

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Can't rember if compcon version does

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Book is correct

umbral oyster Jun 6, 2024, 2:43 AM

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Looks like it should indeed have 30 HP, including the amount added by the ultra perk.

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The T1 ultra behemoth I built in comp/con has the correct amount of HP while having the Resilient trait, but I suppose if it's broken for you, just cut the trait

grave palm Jun 7, 2024, 8:14 AM

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Is 1 legionnaire unit equivalent to 1 npc?

hidden sand Jun 7, 2024, 9:37 AM

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Hmmm, I found out how to softlock lancer 😌

Stun an ultra with argus armour, have at least 3 grit and 1 accuracy or 4 grit. Use 10000 punches reserve on the stunned ultra... Behold! Soft lock, it's impossible to structure with the base improv attack and it's impossible to miss, meaning the 10,000 punches resolves infinitely!

The solution of course is "this isn't a computer game idiot, just stop" but I don't care and it's funny

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https://tenor.com/view/steven-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-solid-gif-24704841

Tenor

shell sleet Jun 7, 2024, 9:55 AM

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wait, why can't you structure with improvised attacks

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that's not a normal lancer rule, lancer doesn't have a concept of nonlethal damage AFAIK (only sturdy-esq abilities like custom paint job)

umbral oyster Jun 7, 2024, 10:01 AM

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It's the Ultra, I think. It doesn't do enough damage to actually hurt the Argus armor enemy.

hardy sierra Jun 7, 2024, 10:01 AM

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Unlucky

shell sleet Jun 7, 2024, 10:03 AM

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ah, i see what you mean

spare kernel Jun 7, 2024, 2:38 PM

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thx for the answers

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whats the optimal space for a behemoth fight?

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considering cover is nill

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is 35x35 too much?

grave palm Jun 8, 2024, 8:44 AM

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Will player lose heat from nosferatu bite if that player get affected by spite's imprison already

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for context

umbral oyster Jun 8, 2024, 9:05 AM

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Since 'The Bite's on-hit effect is that the target clears(as opposed to any other worlding) all heat, I'd assume no. Question to me would be whether that means Nosferatu would gain 0 Overshield & Heat. I'd assume so, given the other possibility is violating thermodynamics, but weirder things have happened in games

hardy sierra Jun 8, 2024, 10:21 AM

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it could go either way

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i personally just dont fiel the two alongside each other 😂

lofty fossil Jun 8, 2024, 4:09 PM

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umbral oyster Since 'The Bite's on-hit effect is that the target clears(as opposed to any othe...

We on mechs, thermodynamics ain't got shit. You ever seen 1 beam?

dusk sage Jun 8, 2024, 4:22 PM

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Put the fear of God into my party with an executioner with elite template and the revenant template with a squad of berserkers with the revenant template. Much chaos was had when mechs started rising from the "dead"

hardy sierra Jun 8, 2024, 4:49 PM

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sounds very dark souls

steep vine Jun 13, 2024, 5:18 PM

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So legionnaires are deployed in groups of 4, is the statblock given for 1 of the 4?

zealous scaffold Jun 13, 2024, 5:57 PM

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the statblock is for one of the unit of four, who are identical (except for on optional I think)

steep vine Jun 13, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Okk that answers my question, thanks

pseudo linden Jun 13, 2024, 11:53 PM

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legionnaires leave individual wrecks, right? I don't recall seeing anything saying they don't

hardy sierra Jun 14, 2024, 12:06 AM

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they generally do

pseudo linden Jun 14, 2024, 3:32 AM

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my legionnaire + necromancer encounter proceeds as planned

ripe lichen Jun 15, 2024, 1:33 AM

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legionnaires & an ultra necromancer

manic jasper Jun 15, 2024, 1:36 AM

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I'm filing a worker's comp claim against Crusaders, they keep hard-countering my hydra 😂

hardy sierra Jun 15, 2024, 2:31 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/knight-xbox-gaming-elder-scrolls-games-gif-27629886

Tenor

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https://tenor.com/view/knight-elder-scroll-online-redirect-magic-block-gif-6684152345158428375

Tenor

manic jasper Jun 15, 2024, 2:34 AM

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Luckily rallying cry doesn't protect the crusader itself, so I just centimane + drone commandered it to death. (My worker's comp claim against Barricades for drag down with no LOS blockers remains in place)

eternal echo Jun 15, 2024, 8:53 PM

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I'm a little confused by the Ordnance part on the Swabber Cannon

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How does that work

eternal echo Jun 15, 2024, 9:14 PM

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Wait I'm dumb that wasn't Ordnance that was Arcing

manic jasper Jun 17, 2024, 5:22 PM

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Oleander can't get around Precision Instrument by preparing a skirmish, can it? (assuming it already attacked on its turn, e.g. overcharge skirmish -> prepare skirmish)

hidden sand Jun 17, 2024, 6:05 PM

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I think prepare follows the order as if you would take that action now

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You can prepare a skirmish now but you can't use your... hmm actually idk

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Since you determine weapon at the time

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I'd assume the intent is "no you can't"

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But nothings stopping heavy gunner

hardy sierra Jun 17, 2024, 6:19 PM

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ya

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you can only prep stuff you can do right now

manic jasper Jun 17, 2024, 6:20 PM

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right, but like Imp said: you prepare to Skirmish, and then when you only choose a weapon when you actually take the Skirmish action. So I'm mostly looking for intent here, since I think the RAW works (and because Prepare is such a weird action...)

twilit condor Jun 17, 2024, 9:30 PM

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not being able to move > prep skirmish w/ an ordnance weapon implies that you can't use prep to bypass precision instrument

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cause it implies that declaring weapons is done with the prepare rather than when the skirmish resolves, so you can't pick the ordnance weapon cause its not valid

manic jasper Jun 17, 2024, 9:35 PM

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That's a good point! Thanks

shell sleet Jun 17, 2024, 10:28 PM

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you could also argue you don't have to choose the weapons when you prepare, but any weapons that would have been ineligible to be fired can't be fired

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like a prepared skirmish on a weapon that's destroyed before you can fire it - you wouldn't be screwed lol

void sable Jun 20, 2024, 1:20 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760966283545673730/1253239485504815236/image.png?ex=667521b9&is=6673d039&hm=deff375ed195240ab5fb34311a2a163517de134cae00fcac6bedf689cb785440& The Last Judgement Base Feature seems to be missing from the LCP.

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For Morningstar

hardy sierra Jun 20, 2024, 4:08 PM

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i dont think it is

void sable Jun 20, 2024, 5:50 PM

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That's weird. I can't even find it in the features list in Foundry. I can try redownloading the LCP.

zealous scaffold Jun 20, 2024, 5:51 PM

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maybe it's a Foundry problem ?

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could go ask there if you haven't yet, just in case

void sable Jun 20, 2024, 5:54 PM

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Possibly.

manic jasper Jun 20, 2024, 6:19 PM

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I've been toying around with LL5 builds, and thinking a lot about Oleander as a heat-clearing platform. My first idea was to overcharge every turn with Heatfall + offturn attacks...but HMG without autostab is sad, and I couldn't decide what to do with that extra action anyway. Then I remembered that Metalmark is Spicy.

[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Metalmark 3, SSC Death’s Head 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Tactician 3, Black Thumb 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:3
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:4
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+1
  SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:8 SENSE:15 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN MOUNT: Rail Rifle
  HEAVY MOUNT: Heavy Machine Gun // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Active Camouflage, Type-I Flight System, Reactive Weave, Flash Charges x3```  I think there's a really funny defender/striker in here somewhere with Noah or Scylla, maybe swapping Tactician for Iconoclast, but I liked the idea of being a flying defense onion.

manic jasper Jun 20, 2024, 7:12 PM

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...actually, wait, Scylla nets you two heat cleared every round...going down to 3 Hull seems really greedy, but it means you can do a 1d6+4 overcharge from 0 heat, clear 4 of it on turn with BT+skirmish, go back up to 8 with Scylla then down to four off turn...

hidden sand Jun 20, 2024, 7:20 PM

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Heavy gunner?

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That's 1-2 extra attacks

manic jasper Jun 20, 2024, 7:22 PM

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that's the sensible option for sure (and what I'd actually run, since my group doesn't need a third Iconoclast-range character)

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Skirmisher 2 would be funny. An effective speed of 11, or 15 if you low roll the overcharge and scylla twice...

steady fern Jun 22, 2024, 5:17 AM

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brute's pain repsonse

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is that a reaction or just a free quick action?

twilit flower Jun 25, 2024, 2:00 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/me-when-nuke-gif-26450281

Tenor

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@hardy sierra I just used my first Morningstar

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blessed

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I made my Goblin player learn to fear my power

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he wasn't even the intended target

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He was a tad furious, but I simply told him that he and the rest of the team maybe shouldn't have shot the enemy using a Manticore Mini.

eternal echo Jun 25, 2024, 2:34 AM

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Got a question regarding the Swabbers:

Does Puppetmaster activate No Quarter for them?

hardy sierra Jun 25, 2024, 3:12 AM

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it do

eternal echo Jun 25, 2024, 3:24 AM

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Neat!

eternal echo Jun 27, 2024, 6:35 PM

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Need some confirmation: the Swabbers are valid targets for Haste and Summon, correct?

manic jasper Jun 27, 2024, 6:43 PM

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to be a valid target for Invade or Haste, a character just needs to not be immune to tech. Usually that means being biological, which the swabbers aren't (thank goodness)

the phrase you need to watch out for is "mech characters". Drones are (allied) characters, but not mechs, so you those effects won't work. Neither Invade, Summon, nor Haste use that language, so you're good

hardy sierra Jun 27, 2024, 9:31 PM

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Swabbers also can't boost

zealous scaffold Jun 27, 2024, 10:01 PM

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They do have a speed though, so is it because they simply can't take actions in general ?

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Trying to understand is all

azure pond Jun 27, 2024, 10:29 PM

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yeah, my understanding is that it's a result of the "drones can't move or take actions by default" rule

hardy sierra Jun 28, 2024, 12:23 PM

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that would be it

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but they do be having a speed

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hm

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whatever applies to orochis applies to swabbers

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so i dont have to rule it lol

manic jasper Jun 28, 2024, 1:04 PM

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Afaik there's no official standard for whether you can give a drone the ability to take an action after the fact. If you'll forgive the uno reverse card, would a drone gain the Subterranean Repositioning reaction from Prospector?

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IMO the intent in the drone tag is probably "if a drone doesn't give itself action or movement, or an ability doesn't mention drones, it shouldn't work with drones"

hardy sierra Jun 28, 2024, 1:06 PM

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manic jasper Afaik there's no official standard for whether you can give a drone the ability ...

Crying sobbing and throwing up

spare kernel Jun 29, 2024, 5:39 PM

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what are recommended npcs for breach and clear? since its a fast and frantic sitrep, is there any npcs that could be too much in comparison to others?

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like, lots of sentinels would be bad, right?

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also, i'm a bit confused about breach and clear's map layout, is it supposed to be like a edge of map -> opposite edge of map for layout? or is it supposed to be like this?

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im just a bit confused due to the way how players start

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@hardy sierra if you dont mind me pinging you to answer me this conundrum

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nvm i was answered in other channel

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but my question about npcs still stands

sick pasture Jun 30, 2024, 2:45 PM

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Hey, it looks like the id for the Morningstar's Last Judgement accidentally got the id for its Seige Armor
#1256969215923978271 message

manic jasper Jun 30, 2024, 9:52 PM

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I keep seeing jokes about Daisy Cutter Oleander. is one of the passive effects really good with it, or is there some other synergy I'm missing?

grim pawn Jun 30, 2024, 10:25 PM

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oh dear god they're right

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it is

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it's build around a primary heavy mount

harsh crest Jul 1, 2024, 12:50 AM

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manic jasper I keep seeing jokes about Daisy Cutter Oleander. is one of the passive effects r...

nothing that I can see.

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Killshot is next attack roll, not next attack

manic jasper Jul 1, 2024, 12:52 AM

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that was my first thought. It's probably for the best that we can't give DC a 100% hit rate and seeking.

harsh crest Jul 1, 2024, 12:56 AM

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Seeking Daisy Cutter is nasty, given the huge area of effect, but you could do that before with Nanocomposite Adaptation

manic jasper Jul 1, 2024, 1:08 AM

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yeah. I'm cooking up a phase ready build right now for early IAF and it's goofy. With 8 charges, on average I eat my share of the enemy structure budget by targeting one and a half NPCs per shot.

crimson turret Jul 1, 2024, 2:31 PM

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this is potentially a stupid question: Does the Behemoth roll on the structure/stress table (assumiung the correct number of hardpoints are destroyed to actually make it lose structure)

steady fern Jul 1, 2024, 3:39 PM

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if a morningstar is entrenched, can it still be moved via celestial shackles?

spare kernel Jul 1, 2024, 4:46 PM

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crimson turret this is potentially a stupid question: Does the Behemoth roll on the structure/...

yeah of course

thorny pewter Jul 1, 2024, 4:54 PM

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steady fern if a morningstar is entrenched, can it still be moved via celestial shackles?

Being teleported (not doing it yourself) is involuntary movement, so the Morningstar is immune to that.

grave palm Jul 1, 2024, 10:54 PM

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A little bit confused by this but does this effect work only once or at the end of behemoth's turn every round

spare kernel Jul 1, 2024, 10:56 PM

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what do you mean?

grave palm Jul 1, 2024, 11:00 PM

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spare kernel what do you mean?

At the end of the Behemoth's turns, the character is pulled 3 spaces towards the Behemoth. l'm confused if this effect apply only once on the turn behemoth used it, or it apply indefinitely until the target cleared its effect.

spare kernel Jul 1, 2024, 11:00 PM

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well it says right there, at the end of the behemoth turn, the character is pulled

manic jasper Jul 1, 2024, 11:25 PM

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turns, plural, even. It keeps going until cleared or it deals structure

steady fern Jul 2, 2024, 1:36 AM

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hmm, the enhanced lcp

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the morningstar explosion thing is still listing itself as siege armor

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so when i try to open it up on foundry owlbear, it's siege armor rather than telling me the damage stuff

hardy sierra Jul 2, 2024, 4:48 AM

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i dont know when ill find the time to fix the LCP, sorry

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just moved houses

spare kernel Jul 2, 2024, 8:03 AM

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somebody could always just edit the lcp

hardy sierra Jul 2, 2024, 10:14 AM

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that would be rad

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it ccant be too difficult

shell sleet Jul 2, 2024, 10:52 AM

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almost just sent it here without thinking lol

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@hardy sierra dm'd you a copy of the lcp with a single line change, from first image to second image

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works in compcon

shell sleet Jul 2, 2024, 10:54 AM

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shell sleet works in compcon

top secret leaks of 2 of the npc lcp trait names, i guess. the effects? you'll have to purchase it legitimately to find out

spare kernel Jul 2, 2024, 11:43 AM

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thanks riker

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ill go ahead and edit mine too

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nvm im a loser i have no idea how to d othis

manic jasper Jul 2, 2024, 11:55 AM

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Rename .lcp->.zip, unzip, open in text editor (e.g. notepad, not word). Make sure to leave both open and closing quotes and to generally make the exact change.

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When done, zip and rename the result back to .lcp

spare kernel Jul 2, 2024, 12:08 PM

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oh thats how

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thx

manic jasper Jul 2, 2024, 12:09 PM

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A surprising number of bespoke file formats are secretly compressed text files

spare kernel Jul 2, 2024, 12:10 PM

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yahoo

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oh

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no manifest...

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okay did it, not sure why the first time it came out with "no manifest"

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but now its fine

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ok no its all busted up

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augh

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ill just wait for ralf to update

midnight folio Jul 2, 2024, 4:35 PM

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I've made the worst (and best) Behemoth encounter ever https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/566317602834743296/1257698729331523657/image.png?ex=66855ab7&is=66840937&hm=0627cd31294f99ea12b16d6876497804bc7d70fdccaf367aa5c8f1f010018beb&

spare kernel Jul 2, 2024, 4:53 PM

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WHAT THE HELL

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are those also ronins as the hardpoints??

midnight folio Jul 2, 2024, 5:56 PM

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Of course.

twilit condor Jul 2, 2024, 5:57 PM

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is it, perchance, improbably dense?

midnight folio Jul 2, 2024, 7:09 PM

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twilit condor is it, perchance, improbably dense?

Approximately 30(HP)x4(Structure)+4(Hardpoints)=124 Ronin Grunt have been squeezed into a size 5 NPC, so yes it is improbably dense.

hidden sand Jul 2, 2024, 7:22 PM

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New reaction: deflect

Source: take damage from an attack
Roll a d6, on a 4+ the improbably dense ronin ball gains resistance to the damage and deflects the attack, the attacker needs to repeat the attack against themself. On a hit the attacker immediately dies

spare kernel Jul 2, 2024, 7:22 PM

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thats fucking hilarious

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each hp being represented with 1 grunt

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hahaha

midnight folio Jul 2, 2024, 7:39 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/566317602834743296/1257735283802116198/image.png?ex=66857cc3&is=66842b43&hm=3cb60c96593de988ab1be421540fd79d1b8bba870c811c5507af9d1eca3afd5f&

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I just made it able to make Rebound unlimited times per round.

zealous scaffold Jul 2, 2024, 7:55 PM

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can confirm

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bounced 4 energy + 23 burn right back at our amber phantom

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Unrelated, but did you know making an attack against yourself still decreases your Gunslinger die ?

fast bay Jul 2, 2024, 8:33 PM

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"I kill with my heart" meets "killed by heart attack"

steady fern Jul 3, 2024, 3:40 PM

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zealous scaffold bounced 4 energy + 23 burn right back at our amber phantom

the evil

steady fern Jul 3, 2024, 5:06 PM

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manic jasper When done, zip and rename the result back to .lcp

hmm, i zipped it back but the file can't be changed to lcp

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not sure how

manic jasper Jul 3, 2024, 5:07 PM

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oh, right. IIRC, windows is doing something really stupid and sort implicitly attached a .zip extension that it's not showing you because Windows doesn't trust its users with that sort of thing by default.

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https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/changing-the-file-type-in-windows-10/9527d2db-8bd1-4fb3-a40d-619225583ecc

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sorry, it's been a long time since I last messed with .lcps so I forgot about that hoop

steady fern Jul 3, 2024, 5:12 PM

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manic jasper https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/changing-the-file-type-in-...

alrighty, done it

just to test it out

crimson turret Jul 3, 2024, 8:25 PM

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Stort player just yeeted himself onto the Behemoth as soon as he saw it. No thoughts, no scan, just "I bet this thing will bleed, eventually"

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spare kernel Jul 3, 2024, 8:26 PM

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behemoth ship very good

crimson turret Jul 3, 2024, 8:27 PM

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space tugboat retrofitted with weaponry. perfect for a pirate arc

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One player (my son) was like "Oh crap, it's the mothership from FTL!"

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which makes me regret not using that as the sprite

spare kernel Jul 3, 2024, 8:52 PM

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damn you gm for your son? thats sick

crimson turret Jul 3, 2024, 8:59 PM

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Yeah. He loves Gundam, and is probably the reason I'm GMing lancer right now instead of PF2e

spare kernel Jul 3, 2024, 9:06 PM

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swag as hell

steady fern Jul 4, 2024, 9:45 AM

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manic jasper sorry, it's been a long time since I last messed with .lcps so I forgot about th...

@spare kernel ayyyygh, it works

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ignore that ping that is an accident

spare kernel Jul 4, 2024, 9:45 AM

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lol

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its alright i got it fixed myself too

paper tundra Jul 5, 2024, 12:25 AM

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Question: Would DILUVIAN ARK count as "a Tech Action that targets an allied character" for bilgh drone activation or nah?

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quasi vector Jul 5, 2024, 1:02 AM

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No, it's just a quick action, not a quick tech.

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It has to be a quick tech to count.

manic jasper Jul 5, 2024, 1:19 AM

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It also doesn't target when you take the action

hidden sand Jul 8, 2024, 3:14 PM

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A vision came to me in a dream

dusk sage Jul 8, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Yeah......when an Oleander locks in that's just about right. Threw a megafauna boss at my party. It's got a nasty effect that makes it immune to bonus damage. Good luck telling that to the Oleander.

manic jasper Jul 8, 2024, 9:43 PM

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I don't think Oleander's kit would get around that. Immunity isn't a reduction, so "cannot be reduced" effects like that one Oleander option don't help

dusk sage Jul 8, 2024, 9:53 PM

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Eeeh that's what the group consensus was when we looked at it. If the damage cannot be reduced then it would go right through immunity since technically immunity is reducing damage to 0. So le shrug.

manic jasper Jul 8, 2024, 10:51 PM

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that's an understandable reading, but RAI immunity goes beyond reduction: https://lancer-faq.netlify.app/#c18c2b

quasi vector Jul 9, 2024, 12:29 AM

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Only one thing breaks immunity, and it doesn't apply in this case.

twilit flower Jul 9, 2024, 4:01 AM

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I can now confirm: Bligh truly is a chasis of all time. My Bligh player has made a build that keeps me up at night and after the mission I just ran it still does. Bugger is running it with Field Analyst + Drone Commander + Emperor systems. We're about to enter LL5 so he's going Kidd 2 Emperor 3 with Universal Compatibility.

With the collective amount of damage this motherfucker mitigates, I could've completely 100 to 0'd one of the PCs twice over.

When I am awake, I hear "alright can I take first turn to give Overshields? Thanks!"

When I dream, I hear "Actually, that crit will become a regular hit," or "Actually, that missed entirely."

Truly, an alt frame of all time.

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(note this is mostly just shitposting)

quasi vector Jul 9, 2024, 4:18 AM

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It sounds more like an Emperor and Field Analyst thing than a Bligh thing. I've done the same in a Lancaster.

grave palm Jul 9, 2024, 12:35 PM

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Have a blast last session with behemoth as a finally boss, the balance of the boss is so goodddddd

hardy sierra Jul 9, 2024, 12:39 PM

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Aaaaaaaaaa

quasi kestrel Jul 10, 2024, 6:21 AM

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Is the search and rescue meant to always have the payload and extract basically touching for each one?

hardy sierra Jul 10, 2024, 6:23 AM

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yea because its random where the payload spawns

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and where it has to be transported

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1 doesnt got to 1

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you roll a 1d6 for the spawn location

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and 1d6 for the extract location

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then 1d5 and 1d5

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etc

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taking out hte zones that have been already been chosen

quasi kestrel Jul 10, 2024, 6:25 AM

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Ah, that's the problem then, I was just misreading that 1 corresponded to 1 every time.

hardy sierra Jul 10, 2024, 6:25 AM

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no

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you roll 1d6 for each start of round and zones that have already happened cant happen twice

quasi kestrel Jul 10, 2024, 6:27 AM

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Right, I was just saying I misread "Randomly determine a payload and extraction zone" as a single randomization I think. It wasn't clicking they were determined seperately.

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Thanks for the clarifier!

fallen tendon Jul 10, 2024, 2:31 PM

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player just rolled up a salamander. any tips for what to look out for on the GM side of things? i guess im asking what NPCs does it like, and what NPCs does it not like? im also assuming it likes cover-dense maps like kobold but would appreciate correction

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the build hes going for is TTT/scanner swarm melee cretin

hardy sierra Jul 10, 2024, 2:32 PM

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Suggest total strength 1 because it let's them throw bombs

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Super useful and often forgotten

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They don't like pros but also pyros don't like them lol

fallen tendon Jul 10, 2024, 2:34 PM

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very good to know, i like pyro so ill be more deliberate with my usage

hardy sierra Jul 10, 2024, 2:35 PM

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They just nod at each other ass they pass by and burn the others opfor lol

twilit flower Jul 10, 2024, 3:48 PM

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gotta say if I were to finally play Lancer as a player I do wanna test out Salamander

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playing as Bomberman is funni

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also gotta say unlike Kobold, Salamander feels like an actual mech and not just a walking Minecraft machine

steady fern Jul 11, 2024, 9:12 AM

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fallen tendon player just rolled up a salamander. any tips for what to look out for on the GM ...

there's nothing funnier than getting an ogre from suldan and cataclysmic throw said salamander through its own bombs

crimson turret Jul 11, 2024, 9:07 PM

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Players loved the behemoth fight, btw. They were "fuck the shield node, it dies first" once they realised it gave resistance.

obsidian dome Jul 12, 2024, 10:19 AM

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My table did the same

zealous scaffold Jul 13, 2024, 1:05 AM

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I mean, it protected the other nodes from the wrath of the PCs for a short while, so I'd say it worked as intended

hardy sierra Jul 14, 2024, 7:50 AM

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combat: enhanced

steady fern Jul 14, 2024, 7:53 AM

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truly is

grave palm Jul 14, 2024, 8:01 AM

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so real

hidden sand Jul 14, 2024, 3:11 PM

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Mmmm

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Me when the forklift starts talking funny and gifts me a size 1, evasion 5 and 10hp slag bomb

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Wait I just realised they're size 1... so put two of them next to eachother and BOOM... the goblin can now be out of line of sight

hardy sierra Jul 14, 2024, 4:29 PM

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slamg

steady fern Jul 14, 2024, 4:43 PM

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hidden sand Wait I just realised they're size 1... so put two of them next to eachother and ...

bombard fires its cannon

hardy sierra Jul 15, 2024, 11:57 AM

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goopmachine released today

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happy gooping

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such a cool alien egg too

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goes incredibly hard

urban sage Jul 15, 2024, 2:28 PM

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Goopmaxxing

quasi kestrel Jul 15, 2024, 2:30 PM

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tawny needle Jul 15, 2024, 2:57 PM

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Thinking my next campaign is gonna be using a lot of LEC sitreps so I'm gonna be asking a lot of questions about how to not screw things up on them dogepray

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It started with "King of the Hill works better on this than Holdout... Honestly making this one demolition seems like it could be fun... What if this encounter was a Titan Clash?!

ripe lichen Jul 15, 2024, 9:06 PM

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behemoth brawl my beloved

hardy sierra Jul 15, 2024, 11:52 PM

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just one more and i have assembled exodia

twilit flower Jul 16, 2024, 1:09 AM

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mechzodia

ripe lichen Jul 16, 2024, 5:42 AM

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just one more player frame...

hardy sierra Jul 16, 2024, 5:46 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-gif-21041319

Tenor

dusk sage Jul 16, 2024, 5:47 AM

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So I have to ask how exactly does one play a hapsburg

hardy sierra Jul 16, 2024, 1:15 PM

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tawny needle Jul 16, 2024, 1:15 PM

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Does the train in the Train Heist sitrep have to go in a straight line all the way across the map, or can you put "turns" on the tracks? ~~Searching in forums is so cool and very extent and I'm glad I can do it to not ask redundant questions~~

hardy sierra Jul 16, 2024, 1:15 PM

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you can put in turns if you like

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jsut be very clear along which route the train moves between rounds

tawny needle Jul 16, 2024, 1:16 PM

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I'm probably gonna segment the track in such a fashion that it'll always end at an angle point so people know where it'll go next

hardy sierra Jul 16, 2024, 1:16 PM

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here's what you should do

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put a fork in the road

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on route A there is an NPC that the party really likes

on route B are 5 random people

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the train is headed down route B

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but there is a button that reverts it down route A

manic jasper Jul 16, 2024, 1:18 PM

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I was going to make a joke about putting switches in CZ, but I didn't consider the Trolley Problem optional objective 🤔

hardy sierra Jul 16, 2024, 1:18 PM

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trolley solution

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https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

Tenor

dim swift Jul 16, 2024, 1:20 PM

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https://youtu.be/33VUuu2fb1I?si=VmSCHDdJlKaseEdl

YouTube

Camille

oh rats its the trolley problem

i did not take this other possibility into consideration

▶ Play video

proud burrow Jul 16, 2024, 3:13 PM

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Oh my god that's so funny.

hardy sierra Jul 16, 2024, 11:44 PM

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abducted a players pilot yesterday

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https://tenor.com/view/anger-management-jack-nicholson-yes-duh-nods-gif-5222702

Tenor

ripe lichen Jul 17, 2024, 3:33 AM

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that's beautiful.

wind skiff Jul 17, 2024, 7:54 AM

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This is how lancer was meant to be played

proud burrow Jul 17, 2024, 8:00 PM

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"I'm a productive member of our squad"
"I went to a small liberal mech college on Eyalet-a"

winter bloom Jul 18, 2024, 2:08 AM

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For a sitrep where hostiles can move payloads (e.g. Stockpile), say a player uses Hurl Into the Duat to control a hostile's standard movement while that hostile is adjacent to a payload. Does the payload move with the hostile?

I imagine it's in GM ruling territory, eh? Personally I'd lean towards no since controlling movement doesn't also extend to what a character drags with them normally by choice.

grim pawn Jul 18, 2024, 2:25 AM

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If hostile can move it I’d be inclined to say yes

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And hey, you can always encourage them to use the later levels of Hurl Into the Duat instead

manic jasper Jul 18, 2024, 2:35 AM

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I feel like it shouldn't work, since it's a choice that happens because of movement but it's not controlling movement.

hardy sierra Jul 18, 2024, 4:44 AM

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i think funnily enough a duated NPC turns from a scoring character to a non scoring character

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completely accidental but i think correct and for the best

manic jasper Jul 18, 2024, 12:07 PM

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Even with just gate 1?

winter bloom Jul 18, 2024, 12:11 PM

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manic jasper Even with just gate 1?

No, just with gate 4. That one specifies the target changing allegiance to become allied. In Enhanced Combat, the definition of a scoring character says that "all hostiles (and) all PC mechs are scoring characters." Thus an allied NPC mech is not scoring.

(Not really related to my question above, but still worth pointing out.)

hardy sierra Jul 18, 2024, 1:09 PM

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Oh I misread silly

proud burrow Jul 18, 2024, 1:53 PM

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It's really hard to score while you're in the duat.

thorny pewter Jul 18, 2024, 8:42 PM

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Speaking of Duat, how is it intended to work against a Legionnaire?

grim pawn Jul 18, 2024, 11:32 PM

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thorny pewter Speaking of Duat, how is it intended to work against a Legionnaire?

i'd imagine it puts them in their own "squad" of one

hardy sierra Jul 18, 2024, 11:42 PM

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thats likely

hardy sierra Jul 19, 2024, 4:49 PM

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velvet pier Jul 19, 2024, 4:51 PM

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Oooooooooooh

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Like the little finger guns the small arms are doing

proud burrow Jul 19, 2024, 5:00 PM

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🛑 🚫 stop, illegally cute.

quasi kestrel Jul 19, 2024, 8:37 PM

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hardy sierra

Love seeing the pre-form sketch, seeing the process, that's neat how it started to here.

hasty ivy Jul 20, 2024, 1:33 PM

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oh that looks so good

steady fern Jul 21, 2024, 1:52 AM

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let's say spec-ops legionnaires

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are they able to take the invis protocols or no?

hidden sand Jul 21, 2024, 10:03 AM

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From commandos or active commo?

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For active camo I don't see why not, would be a hassle to figure out who has a charge remaining and who has a guaranteed crit on their next hit

serene iris Jul 21, 2024, 1:33 PM

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steady fern are they able to take the invis protocols or no?

Don't believe so

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They can only take quicks and overwatches, and specifically only the quicks in their trait

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But the extra turn thing should still work

steady fern Jul 22, 2024, 6:38 AM

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let's say a brute is a vet with limitless. when it overcharges and takes damage, does it essentially take 2 quick actions if it was its first instance of damage?

hardy sierra Jul 22, 2024, 1:34 PM

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it would

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same as a biological berserker

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it just roids out and becomes angrier while damaging itself

tawny needle Jul 22, 2024, 3:07 PM

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Would it be breaking the "King of the Hill" sitrep too much if I had the party and opfor start on opposing corners instead of opposing sides of the map?

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Just checking to see if that's a "we tested it and it was bad" thing

thorny pewter Jul 22, 2024, 10:17 PM

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I genuinely don't think it'd make a difference. The difference in distance in minimal, you'd just disperse across different areas of the map. If you had to maneuver back to the corner for a Sitrep then there might be concern, but starting zones for sitreps with set points of interest can be very flexible

hardy sierra Jul 23, 2024, 2:10 AM

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its whatever yea

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here's a map for that exact thing we used the other month

hardy sierra Jul 24, 2024, 2:58 PM

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retrograde is cooking

proud burrow Jul 24, 2024, 5:01 PM

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That's too many guns. You gotta put some back.

twilit condor Jul 24, 2024, 5:01 PM

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No

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We need more

dusk sage Jul 25, 2024, 2:49 PM

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God that fits the Oleander vibe when it's using its core power. Dear god that thing is amazing lol

ripe lichen Jul 25, 2024, 6:16 PM

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Can an NPC in a Fortress use abilities on it? 🤔
Example 1: Can a Commander with Quick March who is inside of a Fortress use Quick March on the Fortress?
Example 2: Can a Priest inside a Fortress use Investiture on it?

manic jasper Jul 25, 2024, 6:19 PM

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that reads like Ramparts is MULE Harness at home -- so you're still in the fight, and nothing says you can't target or draw LOS to the fortress

ripe lichen Jul 25, 2024, 6:21 PM

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It kind of is. I just wanted to make sure that "sharing a space with" counted as "within line of sight/sensors." Doing this check a little late given i've already made up several opfors based around it 3Dlul

zealous scaffold Jul 25, 2024, 6:36 PM

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I mean, you can always just say "nah it works" and then it does

manic jasper Jul 25, 2024, 6:45 PM

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Lancer has pretty basic/permissive LOS rules. You have LOS to your spaces because the only reason you wouldn't is if a LOS blocker existed between you and yourself. You can't target yourself, but that's because you're explicitly not a valid target rather than because of LOS.

hardy sierra Jul 27, 2024, 3:49 PM

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ripe lichen Jul 27, 2024, 5:21 PM

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now that's a big iron

proud burrow Jul 27, 2024, 6:31 PM

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That's a much more reasonable number of guns.

dusk sage Jul 27, 2024, 10:55 PM

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ripe lichen now that's a big iron

The biggest of irons.

reef thorn Jul 29, 2024, 1:45 AM

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Is that an AMR? Or some Superheavy, like NRfaW's "Sting"?

hardy sierra Jul 29, 2024, 1:48 AM

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siemge cannon

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but you can use it as whatever lol

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retro is just adding all tehse crazy guns

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reef thorn Jul 29, 2024, 1:49 AM

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Ooh, a variant Andromeda!

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(or other beam weapon)

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Like the cape.

quasi vector Jul 29, 2024, 4:11 AM

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What does a Gandiva on an Oleander look like?

grim pawn Jul 29, 2024, 4:34 AM

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quasi vector What does a Gandiva on an Oleander look like?

Comically large Javelin

proud burrow Jul 29, 2024, 2:42 PM

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I love that, looks so cool.

dusk sage Jul 29, 2024, 2:51 PM

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grim pawn Comically large Javelin

I was going to say comically large missile battery

hardy sierra Jul 31, 2024, 10:04 AM

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live on retrograde now aaaaa

quasi kestrel Jul 31, 2024, 2:59 PM

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I did think the 8-ball looks pretty alright on there. It doesn't always fit mechs that well.

quasi vector Jul 31, 2024, 4:39 PM

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Lombat: Enhombat Combat

hardy sierra Jul 31, 2024, 7:22 PM

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it is finished

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and i can turn to dust

twilit condor Jul 31, 2024, 10:08 PM

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poof

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real ralf footage

wind skiff Jul 31, 2024, 10:48 PM

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Never knew the Bligh was s2. My ass can’t read

hardy sierra Jul 31, 2024, 10:57 PM

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otherwise it cant fit all those drones

wind skiff Jul 31, 2024, 11:04 PM

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Clown car

ripe lichen Jul 31, 2024, 11:39 PM

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the oleander's ollie accessory sent me

fallen tendon Aug 1, 2024, 12:16 PM

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can you stand on a slag bomb 🤔

twilit condor Aug 1, 2024, 1:45 PM

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Better question: should you stand on a slag bomb?

shell sleet Aug 1, 2024, 1:57 PM

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immunity to burn is a pathway to many abilities the gm considers... unnatural

proud burrow Aug 1, 2024, 1:58 PM

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Immunity to burn? In this economy? Get on outta town!

hardy sierra Aug 1, 2024, 7:43 PM

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everything that applies to kobold slag also applies to slag bombs

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so ithink the answer is yes

nova sky Aug 2, 2024, 1:03 AM

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Love how you can do different styles of 'Big Fuck Off Gun' and have it feel very different. Also, Cloak beats Shoulder Pods.

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(had too much fun making these)

hardy sierra Aug 2, 2024, 9:07 AM

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siiiick

twilit flower Aug 3, 2024, 2:39 AM

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I donate my bois to the pile

wind skiff Aug 3, 2024, 3:18 AM

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Nice

summer raven Aug 4, 2024, 4:30 AM

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Is there a LCP that will make the new sitreps from this show up in Comp/Con?

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I see the new NPC types but not any new sitreps.

hardy sierra Aug 4, 2024, 4:39 AM

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im not 100% but i thought you couldnt do sitreps in LCPs

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compcon limitation?

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correct me if i am wrong

quasi kestrel Aug 4, 2024, 4:44 AM

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I guess the "Encounter builder" does have Sitreps in it, but I've never seen them as LCPs?

hardy sierra Aug 4, 2024, 4:57 AM

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me neither

stiff sage Aug 4, 2024, 6:05 AM

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You can do a sitrep file for lcps (I've done one myself), Comp/Con is just... incredibly limited in how it displays them, so it isn't actually that helpful.

summer raven Aug 4, 2024, 6:55 AM

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Good to know, thank you.

timid stratus Aug 4, 2024, 10:21 PM

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the art for the alt frames is so spectacular

ripe lichen Aug 5, 2024, 7:08 PM

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it is! i love the bligh and salamander in particular.

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...I just realized something. With the creation of the Salamander, we now have Small Sal to complement the existence of Big Sal.

timid stratus Aug 6, 2024, 9:13 AM

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i think my favourites are the salamander and habsburg

pine summit Aug 7, 2024, 11:30 AM

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Would this be a good place to ask about an Infiltration Sit Rep I'm planning on running? I was wondering if anybody who has experience of running one has any tips or tricks or general advice about running it

tawny needle Aug 7, 2024, 12:41 PM

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Sightlines are a critical component of an Infiltration sitrep. Make sure whatever map you use has things clearly labeled or consistently designed so players have an expectation of where they can evade detection and where they can't

steady fern Aug 7, 2024, 4:55 PM

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pine summit Would this be a good place to ask about an Infiltration Sit Rep I'm planning on ...

make sure there's lots of soft cover and things to cut line of sight like buildings, terrain, etc

but also, have one or two npcs capable of destroying terrain to keep players on their toes

pine summit Aug 7, 2024, 5:06 PM

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steady fern make sure there's lots of soft cover and things to cut line of sight like buildi...

So do the NPCs actively pursue the players from the start? Actively destroying terrain and moving towards sight lines? Or would they move in a set pattern to begin with sort of like a patrol route? I was thinking sort of like Shadow Moses from Metal Gear Solid,

steady fern Aug 7, 2024, 5:07 PM

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pine summit So do the NPCs actively pursue the players from the start? Actively destroying t...

you can do patrol routes, but generally the NPCs know there's something there, they just can't scan them properly

perhaps they need scanning to get your profiles to add to a database, perhaps they're doing it so you're easier to track by their orbital system, maybe your players are carrying jamming systems and their spotting you is them trying to take down your jamming network

manic jasper Aug 7, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Make sure the extraction zone has cover as well. We didn't have that when my group did an infiltration and it made waiting out until round 6 super awkward

pine summit Aug 7, 2024, 5:23 PM

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steady fern you can do patrol routes, but generally the NPCs know there's something there, t...

So the intention is to cross an enemy facility without alerting anyone and causing the alarm to be raised then descend down a huge pit/shaft to the larger secret facility underground, I had assumed the SitRep assumed sneaking without alerting the enemies was the default?

pine summit Aug 7, 2024, 5:29 PM

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manic jasper Make sure the extraction zone has cover as well. We didn't have that when my gro...

Yeah so the extraction zone is going to be a pit/shaft that will let them extract when they get there.

manic jasper Aug 7, 2024, 5:33 PM

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if you're going to let people extract right away, and not strictly at the end of round six, I would kick the difficulty up a notch for the first stretch of the sitrep. otherwise you might have kind of an fast, anticlimatic scene

manic jasper Aug 7, 2024, 5:34 PM

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pine summit So the intention is to cross an enemy facility without alerting anyone and causi...

not exactly. that's what the NPC's Spotting actions are meant to represent. you might be able to run a more MGS style encounter, but the goal of those actions is to evoke the feeling of sneaking into a facility without forcing you to run a totally different game.
(what you describe would work really well as a narrative scene, IMO, with the sitrep as described being an alternative if you want to play it out in detail as a combat)

pine summit Aug 7, 2024, 5:58 PM

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manic jasper not exactly. that's what the NPC's Spotting actions are meant to represent. you ...

Yeah I'm actually leaning more to adapting the infiltration SitRep to a narrative style challenge with the potential to transition into the actual infiltration sit rep if they get spotted.

quasi kestrel Aug 7, 2024, 6:04 PM

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I did like Bratty mentioned, I had units on Patrol, guarding a walled part of a city my players were trying to break into;

There was a choke point, with a road running into the city, a handful of outlying building & forest, and inside was a street with buildings (but much more shallow than the outside of the wall).

So I had two mechs "on point" on the walls facing outwards, and 3-4 mechs on "random patrols" outside the walls and 1 just pacing back and forth just inside the walls. When the PCs started their approach, they determined they were going to eliminate targets on the way and had a bit of Minotaur // Lich tech to teleport enemies into a remote location to get "stealth eliminations" on them. But I had the other patrols notice their allies weren't walking the normal routes and start heading that way.

One of the targets they tried to take out was an assassin, who ended up surviving for like, 2 full rounds somehow (lots of missing), and yeah lol. I think they ended up raising the detection by like 2? I think the Assassin spotted them once, and one of the other patrols found a wreck and called it in, but they made their way into the city after with little difficulty.

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It felt like a silly sit-rep at points, because I had a PC with a Ghengis OC and boost with Jump-Jet Boosters and Ace so they like, were making tons of heat and flying across the area, and .. just the clash against the idea of how sensors work in general (detecting cold core reactors or "hidden" foes is usually a given, it's not really special stuff).

But it was fine as a kinda silly side thing on their way to fight a boss 😂

ripe lichen Aug 8, 2024, 4:43 AM

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It does very much highlight the strengths of people in an atlas/ with infiltrator.

midnight jolt Aug 13, 2024, 9:22 AM

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Couple of questions - firstly, going to be building a map for a Search and Rescue sitrep and am unsure how tangled I should make the objective zones without bungling the thematics (it’s buried pirate treasure they’re going to load into ships… but that would tend to make all the extraction zones kinda lined up somewhat in a ‘real’ map which goes against the vibe of the sitrep).

Secondly, does anyone have any good token sources for the EC NPCs? I’m good with just kitbashing stuff in Retrograde but if some source exists I’m not aware of it would be nice to know about it.

steady fern Aug 13, 2024, 9:37 AM

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midnight jolt Couple of questions - firstly, going to be building a map for a Search and Rescu...

there should be a squad in retrograde that has just enhanced combat npcs

midnight jolt Aug 13, 2024, 9:44 AM

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steady fern there should be a squad in retrograde that has just enhanced combat npcs

Right, will give that a look. Thankee

agile lake Aug 14, 2024, 3:38 AM

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What are y’all’s experience incorporating stuff like the extra map tools (like the Fluids) and Extra Objectives in modifying combats from modules? Good idea? Bad idea? Depends?

quasi kestrel Aug 14, 2024, 4:36 AM

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depends is a strong option lol

quasi kestrel Aug 14, 2024, 4:54 AM

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I think the terrain or hazard options are something I try to incorporate into maps already, to make the game dynamic and less stale;

Secondary objectives can depend on a lot of things. In Wallflower, combats are generally a bit on the easy side as is, so adding additional objectives (or swapping out Sit Reps whole sale), can create a bit of extra challenge for the players. But with every table, players skill will determine if they need or want extra challenges, or if they will simply feel over whelmed. Also, just like any mission, objectives with no stakes or meaning kinda fall flat, IMO. If there are bonus objectives you simply have to pass on constantly, that can feel defeating even if you're doing well at the mission. People dislike feeling like they've missed out on stuff (or at least I do! I quit playing a video game once because it offered post-mission scores and it was impossible to get the SS rating and that bothered my brain).

If I were running OSR, I likely would not choose to be adding secondary objectives since that is classically tuned a bit stronger than some modules.

IMO, the most important aspect is if it makes the story better, but some people play more for the combat.

steady fern Aug 14, 2024, 11:09 AM

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agile lake What are y’all’s experience incorporating stuff like the extra map tools (like t...

i love me some terrain hazards and bonus objectives. I've used the scout plane one, generators, and a couple of other for bonuses. As long as they don't get in the way of the mission (for the case of bonus objectives) it's good

some bonus objectives are also really good for narrative use, like let's say the supreme leader one or contract killer

tawny needle Aug 14, 2024, 12:29 PM

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For people who've used behemoths in the past, what did you use to represent them?

zealous scaffold Aug 14, 2024, 12:37 PM

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I used metal gear excelsius

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Posted the token I made of it here a while ago

ripe lichen Aug 14, 2024, 4:47 PM

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I used this retrograde sprite and cut out little pieces of it to represent the 'nodes' in the turn tracker/for a token to track their health with.

grave palm Aug 14, 2024, 7:38 PM

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agile lake What are y’all’s experience incorporating stuff like the extra map tools (like t...

Extra objectives is something l try to have them in every combat now. It just feel right most of the time since they are something that player can just ignore or fail it without much punishment, also some objective encourage player to adapt with the situation in order to complete the sitrep too.

spare kernel Aug 15, 2024, 2:50 PM

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tawny needle For people who've used behemoths in the past, what did you use to represent them...

big giant behemoth ship i used, and i simply put crosshair sprites for the separate parts

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tropic crow Aug 15, 2024, 3:02 PM

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ripe lichen I used this retrograde sprite and cut out little pieces of it to represent the '...

I made this token but added red hexes directly to the image, and manually tracked the HP of the nodes. So a bit like Fluffypaws but it was part of the image itself rather than a separate token sprite.

The final image is on another computer so I can’t post it

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Sorry replied to the wrong person. Should have been @tawny needle

tawny needle Aug 15, 2024, 3:04 PM

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I see I'm not the only one thinking about using the tempest as a base for it

ripe lichen Aug 17, 2024, 11:07 PM

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@echo ivy This's the thread you're looking for, but i'll also answer your question about Train Heist: the train in Enhanced Combat doesn't move like a normal NPC, and per the ON RAILS trait, its movement cannot be stopped by any means.

Without ON RAILS, Slowed would completely stop it from moving, because the automatic movement given to it by CRUSHING SPEED is not standard movement.

echo ivy Aug 17, 2024, 11:08 PM

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Ahh understood! Thanks very much for the answer!

pseudo linden Aug 18, 2024, 2:03 AM

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has anyone had a player use the Bligh or used it themselves? How does it stack up? I have a player who's very into the idea of the gilgamesh's drone nexus but doesn't want to go all the way down the tree for one weapon

twilit flower Aug 18, 2024, 2:13 AM

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pseudo linden has anyone had a player use the Bligh or used it themselves? How does it stack u...

As someone running In Golden Flame for a Bligh pilot, it is quite stronk

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With the proper build it is a horrifying area control mech that can send its squad of mini-mes to kick the shins of any enemy that doesn't respect them

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whilst also being a damn good support

pseudo linden Aug 18, 2024, 2:35 AM

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fun stuff

ripe lichen Aug 18, 2024, 5:46 AM

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I played a Bligh/lich focused on quick techs instead of deployables and had a great time. It's a support that can turn around and deal damage . I find the plausible deniability aspect interesting; it can still use Orator / Field Analyst 2 / etc while the drones shoot enemies.

quasi vector Aug 18, 2024, 2:50 PM

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"I am a pacifist!"
My drones beat a guy up.
"Ignore that please."

spare kernel Aug 18, 2024, 9:48 PM

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i've got a bligh player, can confirm, the lil' fellas are fearsome and it enables the bligh player to go ham on some real good support options

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they aint much of a problem as you may expect though

steady fern Aug 19, 2024, 2:50 AM

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a good bombard clears em away

dim swift Aug 19, 2024, 9:13 AM

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Bligh is a super fun way to play a more supportive frame without going full support

copper spire Aug 25, 2024, 3:20 PM

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hi guys, i was just wondering about the oleander frame (death's head alt). if you somehow managed to get 2 heavy weapons mounts, does perfected assembly apply to both of them?

dim swift Aug 25, 2024, 3:24 PM

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Well. You can't get 2 heavy weapons

twilit condor Aug 25, 2024, 3:24 PM

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Imma be real, you gotta ask the gm that gave you a second heavy mount

copper spire Aug 25, 2024, 3:24 PM

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assuming you can

twilit condor Aug 25, 2024, 3:25 PM

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If you're getting a 2nd heavy it's cause your gm let you

There's no core way to add a heavy mount to a mech

copper spire Aug 25, 2024, 3:26 PM

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well, we're playing third party stuff here aren't we? haha

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im in a game that allows all the third party books haha so theres actl a way.

twilit condor Aug 25, 2024, 3:26 PM

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copper spire well, we're playing third party stuff here aren't we? haha

Yeah, mixing 3rd party stuff is gm discretion and weird rules interactions arising from it are not really planned for

copper spire Aug 25, 2024, 3:28 PM

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so if you could just grant that it is possible, just by oleander's perfected assembly wording, would you think it affects both heavy mounts?

twilit condor Aug 25, 2024, 3:30 PM

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Per strict wording no because it says "your heavy ranged weapon" singular

Again, ask your gm for an actually actionable answer

copper spire Aug 25, 2024, 3:31 PM

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alrighty, thanks

serene iris Aug 27, 2024, 12:57 AM

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copper spire hi guys, i was just wondering about the oleander frame (death's head alt). if y...

gm first, but turboraw it would apply to only 1 heavy ranged weapon

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if you had two heavy ranged weapons only 1 of them would benefit from core and be limited by precision instrument

quasi vector Aug 27, 2024, 1:00 AM

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I'd honestly say that Precision Instrument means you can only fire one of your heavy weapons a turn.

shell sleet Aug 27, 2024, 1:43 AM

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if you have two heavy mounts on a frame where you can fire them both of them, perfected instrument is probably not the final straw for your balance

serene iris Aug 27, 2024, 1:55 AM

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quasi vector I'd honestly say that Precision Instrument means you can only fire one of your h...

it only specifies heavy ranged weapons

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if you have a heavy melee and a heavy ranged then it would only apply to the ranged

serene iris Aug 27, 2024, 1:55 AM

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shell sleet if you have two heavy mounts on a frame where you can fire them both of them, pe...

this is also true

steady fern Aug 27, 2024, 8:23 AM

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currently doing wallflower

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a player crit during a session of farming (they were planting ginger) so i made them find something in the dirt

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Turns out, with a little practice on the wayside, you can actually plant rhizomes real easily. It's just like plugging in wires, if the terminal is made out of loose dirt and the wires slightly wet and uneven. It's even easier with the fact that Belen correctly guessing which of the farming machines would allow it to plant most efficiently.

Weiyi Chau watches over it like an amused hawk, nodding her head. "You should be farmer instead of a mech pilot," she laughs. "Just wait for now til one of your friends till the dirt."

Prideful, Belen steps down from the machine, trips on something hard, and falls face-first into the mud.

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Congrats! Your practised tilling and planting unearthed a nuclear device buried in the Chau's farmland.

Gain "Lock Pick" - Pattern Nuke as a Reserve. This lasts until the end of the next mission.

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and since they are a hydra, i make it so that they can deploy it as a drone instead of one of the orochis.

same stats, speed, and explodes as a reaction to anyone withing range 3 of it starting a turn

wind skiff Aug 27, 2024, 6:15 PM

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Amazing

pseudo linden Sep 16, 2024, 1:57 AM

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How would you count a contract killer budget-wise? Just as a rough rule of thumb? It's equivalent to a particularly nasty ultra but between every other enemy ignoring its target and the round limit it feels like it has enough caveats that i would probably consider it, what, equivalent to a veteran or something?

twilit marlin Sep 16, 2024, 6:04 PM

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I'd honestly treat it as an Assault with Elite, Veteran, Mercenary and something like Exotic that'd give it the irreducible damage on the AR and other things (if you squint an eye at it at least). Nothing really Ultra-level in my book, but nothing to scoff at either.

tawny needle Sep 16, 2024, 6:58 PM

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I take it from my experiments trying to lay track out that train heist sitreps aren't going to be on especially large maps

quasi kestrel Sep 17, 2024, 8:17 AM

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tawny needle I take it from my experiments trying to lay track out that train heist sitreps a...

Hmm, I just ran a Trait Heist, and it had 6 rounds of 8 movement to get off map (On the end of the 6th round, it would be wholely off the map). So that is approx, 40-ish hexes beginning of train to end. It curved slightly, but not a ton. The map was at least 36 hexes across, is that small?

tawny needle Sep 17, 2024, 11:07 AM

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I'm putting turns in mine and and that shrinks it pretty heavily

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But it does generally seem like it's constrained by the route then, yeah

twilit marlin Sep 18, 2024, 2:00 AM

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36 across is fairly large in my experience

tawny needle Sep 18, 2024, 12:21 PM

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tawny needle I'm putting turns in mine and and that shrinks it pretty heavily

Which is why I said this

pseudo linden Sep 22, 2024, 1:31 AM

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regarding the militia support reserve, is there a reason why it says it only takes it turn in the usual order 'this round?' does it stop functioning after the round it's used in?

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this one that is

manic jasper Sep 22, 2024, 2:01 AM

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Might just be clarifying that it still gets a turn on its first round?

pseudo linden Sep 22, 2024, 2:14 AM

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manic jasper Might just be clarifying that it still gets a turn on its first round?

yeah that's how i read it, just want to make sure i'm not looking at it wrong

lofty fossil Sep 22, 2024, 3:08 AM

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What kinda mapsize is typical for a Smash and Grab sitrep? I don't wanna make things too easy or too difficult

quasi kestrel Sep 22, 2024, 4:44 AM

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lofty fossil What kinda mapsize is typical for a Smash and Grab sitrep? I don't wanna make th...

I just played one, it was on a 30 x 44 hex map, with a central objective//deploy zone.

Players didn't get further than maybe 15 spaces from the center (Which was about the edge of the short side of the map). But the fight came to them fairly quickly anyhow.

Definitely depends on if you're playing the NPCs "out" from the players, and forcing them to assault outward and bring the goods back, or if the OpFor is more aggressive and in their face. Plus obviously, your players average speeds, if they can't move more than 3 average, I'd make a smaller map for almost anything.

lofty fossil Sep 22, 2024, 4:45 AM

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npcs are a bit more long range focused. I got scouts, scourers, a vet sniper and elite bastion

quasi kestrel Sep 22, 2024, 4:45 AM

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My OpFor was also minimum movement 5. If I were using slower OpFor I'd want a tighter map, or more terrain to hide behind.

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This was the end situation, for reference. I could imagine having more obstructing terrain and the PCs needing to push out to actually get the bad guys. In my game, the OpFor was trying to stop the PCs from discovering a secret (The smash and grab was taking the info off the pilots who were trying to stop them).

pseudo linden Sep 29, 2024, 3:40 AM

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question about Search and Rescue: the objective and extraction zones are always activated as a pair, correct? So you wouldn't, for example, activate extraction zone 1 and objective zone 6?

shell sleet Sep 29, 2024, 6:29 AM

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pseudo linden question about Search and Rescue: the objective and extraction zones are always ...

both the EZ and OZs are randomized each time

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the start of round you pick a random OZ & EZ, then take both out of each pool (so theyre not rolled again in the future)

pseudo linden Sep 29, 2024, 6:30 AM

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got it, so just roll 2d6 at the start of every round, thanks.

shell sleet Sep 29, 2024, 6:30 AM

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This Extraction Zone can no longer be randomly determined for the rest of the scene

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and then

A Payload is placed in the center of the determined Objective Zone and the zone is removed from the battlefield.

quasi kestrel Oct 3, 2024, 1:22 AM

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I can only assume there aren't exactly any Behemoth tokens lying around anywhere, are there?

zealous scaffold Oct 3, 2024, 5:27 AM

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Plenty of people posted some here, or on retrograde

steady night Oct 11, 2024, 2:44 PM

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I haven’t been able to find them on Retrograde. What tab are they are on?

manic jasper Oct 11, 2024, 3:21 PM

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Try under the chop shop, I don't think retrograde made a token for them

brazen oasis Oct 12, 2024, 8:49 AM

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steady night I haven’t been able to find them on Retrograde. What tab are they are on?

alot of people use the Dawnbreaker under misc and Sirrocco under Custom > Retrograde

obtuse raptor Oct 15, 2024, 6:58 PM

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After this weekend I have two STRONG recommendations from folks using the Breach & Clear sitrep:

Measure your map dimensions. I just used the automatic dimensions assigned when I uploaded a map image, this resulted in my players needing to cover 80 tiles in 8 turns.
Spread out the hostiles. This combat represents a shock attack down the length of a major two-lane road. I arranged the hostiles in a line more or less six tiles tall, this has led to my players crashing headlong into dense hostile formations.

Hopefully someone can learn from my mistakes.

hidden sand Oct 16, 2024, 8:41 AM

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I mean, I assume 2 is how it's meant to be. But shouldn't be as much of a problem if that map isn't 80 tiles long lmao

winter bloom Oct 16, 2024, 7:07 PM

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1 is also a massive map regardless of what your sitrep is. I think a commonly repeated sentiment is "20x20 = small, 30x30 = average, 40x40+ = huge."

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FWIW, Ralf would almost always use a 30x20-ish map for all of his sitreps, at least back in the days before the Map Creation Tool.

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Worth keeping that in mind when you're running a sitrep from one of his books, imo.

zealous scaffold Oct 16, 2024, 7:27 PM

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Yeah, the random map generator was about 48 spaces diagonally, I think

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For 20+ by 35+ or something like that

obtuse raptor Oct 17, 2024, 6:08 AM

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winter bloom 1 is also a massive map regardless of what your sitrep is. I think a commonly re...

That advice popped into my head when the map actually got measured

hidden sand Oct 18, 2024, 1:57 PM

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I have had a premonition

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Industrial legionnaires with wreckers

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Marching into combat, first one going in and hitting a guy. Second walking in, hitting the first legionnaire and the guy they're attacking. Then next killing the rest

tropic crow Oct 18, 2024, 8:09 PM

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Oleander Killshot - wording is "until the end of the turn" does this mean it lasts till the end of the players turn or lasts until the end of the round? Obviously it's the first roll, I'm just wondering if you can use it on a held quick action

hidden sand Oct 18, 2024, 8:38 PM

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Players Turn

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It doesn't say end of round it says end of turn

pseudo linden Oct 19, 2024, 10:24 PM

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for optional features that specify 'only 1 character' on a legionnaire (like some of the spec ops ones), you'd have to count 1/4 parts of a legionnaire as 1 character, right?

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otherwise 4 characters with the same feature would be a bit silly

hidden sand Oct 19, 2024, 10:26 PM

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RAW, I'm p sure it's 4 characters with the same feature. You're the gm if you think it's silly do it so 1/4 have the trait

wind skiff Oct 20, 2024, 1:49 AM

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I, a size 3 lancaster, have attached a winch to a train

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vlad teammate with 2 npcs grapple riding my mule harness

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a good portion of the people on the board are getting dragged along by the train

trim grotto Oct 25, 2024, 9:10 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167914073816576091/1299166336756219994/train.gif?ex=671cdf30&is=671b8db0&hm=d8ea5d1bf7f694be3a1a341bcb4fb7cafa1e845f763603b71f44757d1437b315&

pine summit Oct 25, 2024, 9:39 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/hi-thomas-the-train-creepy-scary-gif-15409782

Tenor

harsh crest Oct 26, 2024, 5:41 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/i-must-go-i-must-go-my-people-need-me-my-people-need-me-thomas-the-train-thomas-the-tank-engine-gif-24818864

Tenor

steady night Nov 12, 2024, 7:59 PM

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Finally managed to snag enhanced combat, going to run a Behemoth fight for my players soon.
Hopefully it will all go well.

finite moat Nov 14, 2024, 8:44 PM

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What would happen if a player with armor-lock plating braces themselves in front of a train?

tawny needle Nov 14, 2024, 8:50 PM

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Armor-lock doesn't prevent involuntary movement and the train doesn't inflict knockback, so they'd be shoved out of the way and would take damage based on the result of the save.

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But furthermore, the train doesn't attack when it hits the player, so they'd have to brace for another reason and coincidentally be hit by the train.

finite moat Nov 14, 2024, 8:57 PM

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Would they still be shoved considering the text for it says they cannot be moved by an external force smaller than size 5 and trains are size 3?

tawny needle Nov 14, 2024, 8:59 PM

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Considering that it would break the sitrep if it didn't, yes

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If you've got a player in a situation where this has happened, move them as little as possible and don't have them do the save for damage as a compromise for not breaking the sitrep

finite moat Nov 14, 2024, 9:04 PM

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Sounds fair enough, thank you!

quasi kestrel Nov 14, 2024, 9:47 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/collision-fast-and-furious9-truck-crash-flip-over-gif-16241715

Tenor

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Or just ruin the sit-rep 😂

zealous scaffold Nov 14, 2024, 9:57 PM

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I mean, I'd allow it as a desperate last stand if things were going badly enough, but at a cost of course

twilit condor Nov 15, 2024, 3:27 AM

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power: the train stops.
at a
cost: so does your mech. forever. take 3 structure damage.

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(mostly joking)

thorny pewter Nov 15, 2024, 3:44 PM

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Destroying your mech for an entire extra round of combat does sound like an interesting payment

mint hound Nov 18, 2024, 3:10 PM

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Since i can't search in thread i have a couple questions regarding phantasm that may have been answered already.

First, refract beam states that cover is determined from the hologram. Does this also imply that line of sight is drawn as well or does the phantasm need to see the target still?

Second, if a phantasm is blinded, would the line drawn from the holograms be affected in the same way assuming that the phantasm is adjacent to a hologram to trigger refract beam?

verbal sequoia Nov 20, 2024, 12:48 PM

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I had a somewhat left-field question that I'm not terribly sure has been answered already. Can I use a sitrep from this book in a module that I intend to publish at some point? (assuming, of course, acknowledgements, etc.) If not, no big deal, just wanted to check before I step on toes! I know the third-party license covers using first-party stuff but I'm not sure how it applies here. Not exactly plotting to drop the hottest new adventure on the block but, y'know, gotta do due diligence. 😹

hidden sand Nov 20, 2024, 1:02 PM

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So unfortunately RALF, isn't in this server so you'll probs have better help asking on the interpoint server which is available on the itch.io page of Lancer enhanced combat

tawny needle Nov 20, 2024, 1:17 PM

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Generally speaking, it's better to use vanilla Lancer content, then provide a note saying "if you own (release/3rd party content) you can do this instead"

verbal sequoia Nov 20, 2024, 11:24 PM

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Thanks folks

steady fern Nov 22, 2024, 9:03 PM

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mint hound Since i can't search in thread i have a couple questions regarding phantasm that...

LoS is still drawn from the phantasm. so unless the weapon has arcing, the phantasm can't shoot behind walls; it can easily shoot around cover and hit many people, of course, due to the hologram.

wind skiff Nov 28, 2024, 4:20 AM

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Is Replenish Numbers supposed to be a trait or a system? The LCP has it as a system, while the PDF has it as a trait.

pseudo linden Nov 28, 2024, 4:29 AM

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How would you handle a Legionnaire as a scoring character? I'm tempted to say that >2 count but they don't otherwise

wind skiff Nov 28, 2024, 4:29 AM

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leaning towards trait because sometimes, the LCPs can get a little weird with what counts as what..?

shell sleet Nov 28, 2024, 5:13 AM

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almost certainly a trait - the LCP has had a couple of other minor issues in the past, and the PDF is the canonical version

quasi kestrel Nov 28, 2024, 10:12 PM

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pseudo linden How would you handle a Legionnaire as a scoring character? I'm tempted to say th...

I mean, Grunts count 1-for-1. Depends on the situation. Often time in zone holding maps, I have the OpFor end with 0 points (Gauntlet and Holdouts), because of how efficient the PCs are.

If it isn't overwhelming, or ruining the game by "Instantly winning" for the OpFor, I'd just count each one as a scoring character.

I would certainly say if any Legionnaire is adjacent to an Objective the PCs are trying to move, they would contest (And thus it can't be moved). Seems the simplest way IMO.

static bobcatBOT Nov 28, 2024, 10:20 PM

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i would personally treat it like
every member of the squad is a scoring character
but only one of them can count at a time

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for example in a control sitrep
one member of a squad in a zone can contest/control that zone
but two still only counts as one
and if somehow theres two members in different zones, the legionnaire squad has to choose one to contest

pseudo linden Nov 28, 2024, 10:26 PM

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static bobcat i would personally treat it like every member of the squad is a scoring charact...

Yeah that's a smarter way to do it tbh

true plaza Nov 30, 2024, 5:51 AM

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We were wondering over in GM-corner: are the player defenses in Nexus Defense meant to to be destructible or no?

quasi vector Nov 30, 2024, 2:16 PM

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No, they are indestructible.

true plaza Dec 3, 2024, 7:44 PM

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Fascinating. Scourers, Breachers, and Zheng players cry out in sadness

static bobcatBOT Dec 4, 2024, 1:26 AM

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mbts too i think

ripe lichen Dec 7, 2024, 2:15 AM

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the barbarossa is happy though

true plaza Dec 11, 2024, 10:51 PM

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I know Behemoth isn't supposed to take Ultra optionals, but I am curious - has anyone tried any?

Like, giving Ultra-distinct weapons to a hardpoint or the behemoth itself, or some of the classic "ult" systems like lance, wolfhound etc

I guess I'm curious if the reasoning against doing so is "too strong/complicated" or if there's other design intentions that I'm not aware of

zealous scaffold Dec 11, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Two things :
For me, one of the best parts about the Behemoth's design is how it, and its hardpoints, only have access to FAs, which keeps everything going smoothly, and pretty quickly for a boss-type NPC. And that means introducing anything that isn't also a FA risks breaking that pattern/flow, feeling anti-synergistic with the rest of your kit that offers no QA options. To be clear, nothing stops it from just doing standard quicks normally, so yeah. Also, maybe the argument about "all FA" is just me and it's not at all a problem for you to makr it use Quicks. Still wanted to point it out just in case.

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Secondly, yea I put SCL on mine a while back. It was fine, as in it didn't result in any major catastrophies. (Granted, I did run my slightly-reworked version of SCL : lay down the line as the usual FA, then force the save as a protocol. Essentially just a quick fix to make it telegraphed.)

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I was even encouraged by RALF himself to put the Funny Giant Laser on mine, to really complete the "discount Metal Gear Excelsius" vibe.

quasi kestrel Dec 11, 2024, 11:36 PM

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true plaza I know Behemoth isn't supposed to take Ultra optionals, but I am curious - has a...

As someone who regularly Makes-stuff-up™, I don't see this causing issues as a general statement.

Honestly a hound missile is more likely to explode on the behemoth than the PCs anyways lol

twilit marlin Dec 12, 2024, 12:52 AM

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Hound Missiles exploding on the Ultra is a more common occurance than it exploding on the PCs in my experience.

twilit condor Dec 12, 2024, 12:53 AM

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Hound missiles are an extremely effective PC system.

quasi vector Dec 12, 2024, 3:04 PM

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One with the benefit of making the players feel like geniuses.

wind skiff Dec 13, 2024, 5:10 AM

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[duke nukem voice] why do they call it contract killer if it doesn't actually kill them

zealous scaffold Dec 13, 2024, 11:41 AM

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Contrat killer ?

Why, what did contracts ever do to them ?

quasi vector Dec 13, 2024, 6:22 PM

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No, you kill them by contracting them, ideally to a point.

obtuse raptor Dec 18, 2024, 12:07 AM

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Has anyone ever tried flipping the "Train Heist" sitrep so that the PCs are the ones defending the train?
Looking at the rules, it definitely wouldn't just be a matter of flipping the sides.

quasi vector Dec 18, 2024, 1:55 AM

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I think what I'd do with that is, instead of having the train have HP and actions like a normal character, have it be like Nexus Defense.

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Non-Grunt enemies carry bombs that need to be used adjacent to it as a full action, and the mission fails if four of them are used.

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It'd have a lower budget than Nexus Defense, because the players obviously can't build defenses.

obtuse raptor Dec 18, 2024, 4:25 AM

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That sounds like a good idea. I hadn't re-read Nexus Defense yet but I definitely was thinking something along those lines would be a starting point.

winter bloom Dec 19, 2024, 8:47 PM

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That's definitely the right way to go, I think. Sitreps where the PCs are defending something almost always benefit from extra mechanics/restrictions on how the objective can be harmed by the enemies.

(Could be wrong but I think Ralf was at one point trying to make a reverse Train Heist sitrep, but threw in the towel after being unable to think of a good way to let the enemies damage the train - without also making it way too easy for the enemies to win.)

vital spindle Dec 19, 2024, 8:53 PM

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Note that Ralf was trying to come up with something that can handle the truly dizzying diversity of interpoint combats and opfors. If you're willing to make your solution a bespoke set of mechanics for your OPFOR + players, you'll probably have a much easier time

obtuse raptor Dec 20, 2024, 6:59 PM

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Yeah, the more I get into this the more I'm thinking either what Zemyla suggested or more of like Defense Sitrep with a moving point. I'll post the results and conditions for posterity after we finish it, maybe someone else can benefit from knowledge of my attempt.

true plaza Dec 29, 2024, 2:16 AM

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Anyone got any advice on which bonus objectives go well with Supply Run?

Trying to decide between Scrambling Beacons, Thermal Scan, Thrill of the Kill etc

obtuse raptor Jan 19, 2025, 12:54 AM

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obtuse raptor Has anyone ever tried flipping the "Train Heist" sitrep so that the PCs are the ...

Finally finished the combat. I definitely think that certain builds could cheese it, but it worked at LL1. I'll try to write up how it worked, and what didn't work, soon

true plaza Jan 21, 2025, 8:33 AM

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Awesome!

raw forge Jan 24, 2025, 3:32 PM

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obtuse raptor Has anyone ever tried flipping the "Train Heist" sitrep so that the PCs are the ...

I know I'm like a week late but sdfjksdjkf I just came into this channel to ask the exact same thing, eheh. very fun

obtuse raptor Jan 25, 2025, 8:29 PM

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raw forge I know I'm like a week late but sdfjksdjkf I just came into this channel to ask ...

If you were thinking of running that sitrep I can actually pull my notes together and tell you what did and did not work.

raw forge Jan 25, 2025, 8:29 PM

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I ended up going with something different for this combat -- a short escort that turns into a holdout, basically -- but I'd still be curious for the the scratch notes if you would enjoy sharin em

obtuse raptor Jan 25, 2025, 8:36 PM

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Alright, so we'll start with The Train. So the base is the The Train NPC on pg 55 of Enhanced Combat. I removed the Slinger Cannon, Emergency Shield Generator, and Engine of Death systems. I added the Hardened Target and Siege Armor systems from the Core Rulebook. Then I wrote up this to replace Engine of Death:

The Train has +2 Structure and +2 Stress. When the Train takes structure damage it will lose an equal amount of Stress, when the Train takes stress damage it will will lose an equal amount of Structure.
The Train has three Size 4 "cars". When the Train takes structure or stress damage, an equal number of cars become inactive and stop moving with the Train. They are considered destroyed and become Wrecks. The Train as a unit is considered destroyed when all three cars are destroyed.```
That second paragraph is important because characters can stand on the cars and move with them when **Crushing Speed** activates.

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The Train also starts with two Defensive Turrets mounted on the second car, these work like the GMS Deployable Turrets from the Core Rulebook except any friendly character can activate them. They still may each only activate once per round.

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Last bit of The Train clarification, the token I used to represent The Train was only about two hexes across, so I only counted those spaces for being murdered by Crushing Speed. A character anywhere within the Size 4 area would still move with the train, they either were standing on it or grabbing ahold of it. Also I let a player slap a Smoke Grenade onto the side of The Train.

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Enemy Forces were 2.0x budget but should have been 1.5x, both sides of the map parallel to the traintrack were Ingress Zones.
Final enemy composition was:

4 Aces with Strafe,
4 groups of four Grunt RPV Vehicle Assaults with Flier. I used a suggestion I saw on Reddit to halve the Damage/Heat/Burn/Reliable trait of Grunts to make Assault Grunts not suck. Only two of the groups were actually deployed.
4 Squads with the Shotgun Weapon and War Steeds traits from the third-party NPC Squad Kits Google Doc. Only three were actually deployed and I found it necessary to halve the damage of the Shotgun Weapon.
4 Vehicle Striders (from Wallflower) with the Siege Kit, Sapper Kit, Hustle, Duck, and Treads Traits/Systems.
2 Ship Veteran Priests with Fractal Assault and Acrobat. All spaces under or adjacent to these big guys counted as Ingress Zones.

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Initial composition included Vehicle (Flier) Hornets instead of the UAV Assaults, but I realized before I deployed them that they wouldn't be adding much to the scenario.
The REALLY BAD idea in the initial composition was Vehicle Rainmakers instead of the Striders. I did consider that The Train/players would inevitably trigger the Javelin Rockets, I did not consider that those rockets have no default way to avoid them once triggered or two destroy them in the air. Thankfully I figured that out right after the first activation of the System and before it actually triggered, that was quickly retconned.

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Feedback and observations included:

Too goddamn many enemies, 2.0x was way too much, 1.5x will probably be just right.
I needed to have defined what happens to players not aboard an "active" car of The Train when Round 6 ends and The Train leaves the field. In this run everyone was in the latter half of the map and the enemy was pretty beat up, so I just called it good.
Needed some way to track Defensive Turret activations, since they each only get to fire 1/round. I ended up adding them to the initiative tracker around Round 4.
Specific player mechanic complaint, the automatic movement of the train meant that it was very rare for Shield of Blades to actually be active.

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Also, starting enemy forces were the Priest dropships and the Aces.

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And the map height, the direction of The Train's movement, was 24 spaces. So at LL1 an Everest/Chomolunga/Sagarmatha can mostly keep up. Getting left behind wasn't a huge fear.

zealous scaffold Jan 25, 2025, 10:58 PM

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obtuse raptor Initial composition included **Vehicle (Flier) Hornets** instead of the UAV **As...

I did consider that The Train/players would inevitably trigger the Javelin Rockets, I did not consider that those rockets have no default way to avoid them once triggered or two destroy them in the air.
What do you mean by this ? I don't get it actually

shell sleet Jan 25, 2025, 11:22 PM

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my guess - 4 rainmakers with javelin missiles is a lot of rockets

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and if the rainmakers simply place the rockets in the path of the train... what do you do?

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its one thing to set up a bunch of area denial, it's another thing when the players can't actually do anything about the rockets other than tank them to the face

obtuse raptor Jan 26, 2025, 12:29 AM

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Yeah, basically the players either had to let the train take the shots or take the shots for the train

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It's not like other force movement where there's a save or an attack roll, they and the train just automatically move

obtuse raptor Jan 26, 2025, 12:31 AM

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shell sleet my guess - 4 rainmakers with javelin missiles is a lot of rockets

Just the rockets from the first one were too much. I placed the markers and then realize that basically it was just a matter of whoever was positioned closest to the front of the train getting wrecked

zealous scaffold Jan 26, 2025, 12:40 AM

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Oh I see

quasi vector Jan 26, 2025, 2:51 AM

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Like I said, next time, have the train not have HP. Have it be like Nexus Defense, where it has 4 health, and enemies have bombs they can place as a full action while next to it to remove one of them.

zealous scaffold Jan 26, 2025, 3:13 AM

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yeah, make it like that one mission in hi-fi rush !

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except role reversed, I guess

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and also you're not (confined to be) riding the thing

obtuse raptor Jan 26, 2025, 4:47 AM

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quasi vector Like I said, next time, have the train not have HP. Have it be like Nexus Defens...

I think the HP mostly worked (once I remembered to apply Siege Armor). If I run this sitrep again I'll try that idea.

rain bane Jan 26, 2025, 8:54 PM

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Can I chose to not clear 2 heat after an attack if I chose Absolute-0-Module for the Oleander?

rain bane Jan 26, 2025, 9:23 PM

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With Bounder-class Comp Con can I reroll the attack against another target with a loading weapon?

zealous scaffold Jan 26, 2025, 9:25 PM

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Bounder is official content btw

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But yes

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It's a reroll, so it's still the same attack

rain bane Jan 26, 2025, 9:39 PM

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Thank you

obtuse raptor Jan 30, 2025, 12:23 AM

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rain bane Can I chose to not clear 2 heat after an attack if I chose Absolute-0-Module for...

I think you could. Since the Heavy weapon can only fire 1/turn, that Module's frequency being 1/turn instead of "when you attack" or "the first time you attack each turn" implies it's a choice. I'm fairly sure that 1/<period> effects in at least Massif Lancer have so far always been optional.

serene iris Jan 30, 2025, 12:28 AM

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obtuse raptor I ***think*** you could. Since the Heavy weapon can only fire 1/turn, that Modul...

the reason why its 1/turn is to prevent abuse from potential shenanigans

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for example

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how would it work with arc projector

obtuse raptor Jan 30, 2025, 12:34 AM

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Sure, but "the first time you attack each turn" could also cover that. I'm just writing out why I believe activation of the Module would be optional

serene iris Jan 30, 2025, 12:36 AM

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i do believe any 1/turn effect is optional but this is how it was originally written

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Absolute-0-Module
After the attack is resolved you clear 2 Heat.

obtuse raptor Jan 30, 2025, 12:44 AM

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Oof, yeah, I definitely see why that was changed with your Arc Project example.

true plaza Feb 2, 2025, 1:32 AM

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Is the intent for the Train Heist Sitrep for characters to be able to ride on the train? Or is it a no-go zone?

tawny needle Feb 2, 2025, 2:48 AM

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I believe it is for players to be the one hiesting the train

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they could hop off it and start heisting though

true plaza Feb 2, 2025, 2:59 AM

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But characters can not ride on it like the vehicle template

Gotcha

static bobcatBOT Feb 2, 2025, 4:55 AM

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I dont think its intended for characters to stand on the train no

quasi kestrel Feb 2, 2025, 7:41 AM

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Interesting. I've definitely ran it with characters able to stand on it. Made for some interesting moments with knock back pushing PCs (and NPCs) off the front end and getting ran over.

quasi kestrel Feb 2, 2025, 7:42 AM

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true plaza Is the intent for the Train Heist Sitrep for characters to be able to ride on th...

Moral of the story, IMHO, is that is a jumping off point (the sitrep I mean), as long as it's not tricking the players or cheating them in some way, do what works for you.

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I also used it as a "mobile ingress zone" so NPCs were deployed in relevant positions and not worthless for the fight.

sinful sparrow Feb 10, 2025, 10:12 AM

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Question about how a talent would interact with the Bligh?

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If I had Field Analyst II and was only doing tech actions to allies, would the drones attacking due to that still count as me affecting an enemy if the drones are "the attackers for all intents and purposes"? Or no because they are my drones so I am indirectly affecting an enemy?

twilit condor Feb 10, 2025, 10:18 AM

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@sinful sparrow Creator's intent is that it works. (See replied post for historical precedent).

sinful sparrow Feb 10, 2025, 10:19 AM

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Did not see this, sorry. I felt it could've been relatively niche question so I didn't think to scan the thread.

Thanks for the clarification!

twilit condor Feb 10, 2025, 10:20 AM

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All good

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Glad I could help

polar quarry Feb 23, 2025, 6:49 AM

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Is there an updated version of the itch.io alt frame LCP thats compatible with foundry?

hidden sand Feb 23, 2025, 12:41 PM

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They are compatible with foundry

polar quarry Feb 23, 2025, 3:35 PM

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The Bligh has been giving me trouble on import

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I had to do a bit of a hack to get it to stop acting up

hidden sand Feb 23, 2025, 3:45 PM

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Have you got the LCP for the long rim installed?

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As it is a hard prerequisite to install on comp/con however Foundry just throws errors instead

quasi vector Feb 23, 2025, 3:49 PM

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If it's the Bligh causing problems, then you probably need Wallflower too.

hidden sand Feb 23, 2025, 3:52 PM

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Kidd is from wallfower, that's it

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MB

polar quarry Feb 23, 2025, 4:38 PM

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I have both installed. Foundry 11, v2.5.0. Wallflower is 2.0.5 and Long Rim is 1.2.1

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I'm using the Alt Frame 1.1 LCP

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Oh, the error pops up but there doesn't seem to be anything wrong functionally.

quasi kestrel Feb 23, 2025, 6:57 PM

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polar quarry I have both installed. Foundry 11, v2.5.0. Wallflower is `2.0.5` and Long Rim is...

It's not foundry, it's the function of LCPs // COMP/CON that is the root of that.

It's a negligable error, it shouldn't stop the Bligh from importing. But the Bligh's swabbers are drones but due to how LCPs work they have to be formated as a "weapon" on the "frame". The weapon type they chose was "drone" to represent the swabber drones, but weapons only accept QCB, Rifle, etc. so it gives an error.

polar quarry Feb 23, 2025, 6:59 PM

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quasi kestrel It's not foundry, it's the function of LCPs // COMP/CON that is the root of that...

Is it the mount that the swabber drone weapons are assigned to? Those swabber subweapons are mounted onto "Drone" in weapons.json

quasi kestrel Feb 23, 2025, 7:02 PM

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correct. again, it doesn't break the bligh, it's just a minor technical error in LCP data fields.

polar quarry Feb 23, 2025, 8:41 PM

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Good to know, thanks.

pseudo linden Mar 26, 2025, 7:49 PM

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just confirming, the EC version of escort's target is fully immune to damage and effects, right? It doesn't have any hp value listed

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i think that's the better solution overall, but i just want to make sure i'm understanding it correctly

serene iris Mar 28, 2025, 8:07 PM

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pseudo linden just confirming, the EC version of escort's target is fully immune to damage and...

Yeah

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It's a MCE

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Mission critical entity

pseudo linden Mar 29, 2025, 1:19 AM

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thanks! I have a question about EC Escort's round timer as well: Looking at the Payload ruling, it seems like daisy chaining boosts is legal and expected, the standard size of an EC escort is about 30 spaces, and the round limit is 8. This seems very permissive? With a 4-player party that can consistently move 8-12 spaces per turn, you could easily blitz that out in 4-5 rounds

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even allowing a couple rounds of slack, my understanding is that they should only have like, 1-2 extra ones?

obtuse raptor Mar 29, 2025, 1:46 AM

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pseudo linden thanks! I have a question about EC Escort's round timer as well: Looking at the ...

If I remember right the EC Payload only moves on your default move that you normally get every turn, the payload won't follow you on a boost

pseudo linden Mar 29, 2025, 1:47 AM

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yeah, but you can boost TO the payload and then use your standard movement after that is my read of this

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so if you have 4 movement and boost 1 space to reach it, you can use the remaining 4 standard movement to push it

shell sleet Mar 29, 2025, 2:17 AM

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pseudo linden thanks! I have a question about EC Escort's round timer as well: Looking at the ...

from my experience with other EC sitreps, I think a lot of them are very hit or miss with the actual round limits. I think ralf just plays for NPC budgets more often that timers

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or possibly also in this case the intention is to play very aggressively with NPCs hugging the payload, but that is a trend I've noticed (or maybe I'm hallucinating!)

pseudo linden Mar 29, 2025, 2:20 AM

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thank you. i'm gonna run this one at 6 and see how badly it goes

serene iris Mar 29, 2025, 8:31 PM

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pseudo linden thanks! I have a question about EC Escort's round timer as well: Looking at the ...

Yeah the intention is to aggressively contest the payload

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Even then it's usually a faster sitrep

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The reason why it has more rounds is for slower pc teams I think

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But daisychaining the payload with your teammates is totally allowed

exotic shard Apr 6, 2025, 5:20 PM

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So the Necromancer ability is a weird weirdly written and I'm not 100% certain I understand it.
I'm talking about the standard attack they have.
Is it a requirement for the structure damage part to trigger for the ability to function?
That is: Functionally the ability is a 3 damage attack that IF it hits an ally with less than 50% HP left it deals structure damage and IFF that structure damage loss kills it a thrall is spawned?

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Or are the two parts of the ability separate.
The structure damage is ONE quality of it, and the thrall bit is entirely separate

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(please ping me if you reply to this so I don't miss it!)

obtuse raptor Apr 6, 2025, 7:43 PM

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exotic shard (please ping me if you reply to this so I don't miss it!)

To me it reads as two separate parts. I think that it's VERY likely for an NPC who fell victim to the first part to also fall victim to the second part, and that kind of makes it flow together

exotic shard Apr 6, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Great. It would be much more useful than the first interpretation

obtuse raptor Apr 6, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Also if the second part triggers I don't think there's any way the first part wouldn't have triggered.

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At least not with the baseline model

exotic shard Apr 6, 2025, 7:46 PM

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The weird thing is with the first interpretation the ability would be useless against enemies.

"When this attack hits an allied character that is below half their maximum HP they lose 1 Structure. Whenever this attack destroys a character that would leave a wreck, they instead leave behind a number thralls equal to their size. "

That's why I was a bit unsure. I agree that the second interpretation is more reasonable.

obtuse raptor Apr 6, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Ooh, I see

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Yeah, that's a biggy

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Though unless a GM has given the players friendly NPCs I would think it would be rare to see it trigger on an enemy of the Necromancer.

exotic shard Apr 6, 2025, 7:48 PM

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True true

obtuse raptor Apr 6, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Though fielding a Necromancer would be a very good excuse to do that. Maybe I should consider setting that up myself.

serene iris Apr 6, 2025, 11:18 PM

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exotic shard So the Necromancer ability is a weird weirdly written and I'm not 100% certain I...

If if hits an ally below 50% they structure AND if this attack kills a character (including if they died from the first part) they become thralls

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It's two separate bits that work in conjunction

vagrant fulcrum Apr 7, 2025, 1:12 AM

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Love that part of the necromancer, just a mechanically evil tool

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https://tenor.com/view/dbz-gif-27012151

Tenor

tawny needle Apr 7, 2025, 1:42 PM

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Does anyone have a map they used for a breach and clear sitrep they wouldn't mind sharing?

hidden sand Apr 7, 2025, 2:00 PM

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I'm yet to use it but i made this

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Some other breach and clear maps have been posted in the battlemap hub too

tawny needle Apr 7, 2025, 3:00 PM

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Both are forums and searching forums on mobile is hell, unfortunately pensivecowboybread

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I'll check there when I can filter better

lofty heath Apr 11, 2025, 6:59 PM

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I, once again, have done a thing

light drift Apr 12, 2025, 2:14 AM

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What's the intended narrative/a generally good explanation behind the Contract Killer leaving out after one structure? If I contract a guy to kill someone I generally expect they kill them, not just rough em up and leave

obtuse raptor Apr 12, 2025, 3:01 AM

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Because the players are theoretically Lancers, maybe the employer only expects the killer to take a sliver off of them? Like "Holy crap you actually did it, get out of there before you get killed"

zealous scaffold Apr 12, 2025, 8:43 AM

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Maybe the employer is just broke as hell too, can't afford full services

serene iris Apr 12, 2025, 10:15 AM

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Maybe they were simply being hired to rough up the lancer and make the job easier for the npcs

zealous scaffold Apr 12, 2025, 10:19 AM

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special request : "Could you please not steal our spotlight ? Thanks"

serene iris Apr 12, 2025, 10:25 AM

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Roughly speaking, considering that lamcer pilots can be cloned, killing is likely no longer as important

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And thus making a lamcer less effective and reducing their impact is just as useful if not more than killing

zealous scaffold Apr 12, 2025, 10:33 AM

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Well I mean, that type of cloning does take a whole entire while, is questionably ethical (it's just straight-up not), and is very illegal, not to mention expensive. Your average Lancer team is in no way guaranteed to have the ability to get cloned, much less actually want to.
Your point still stands though : a crippled mech is a dead mech if you play your cards right.

languid gust Apr 12, 2025, 3:30 PM

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tawny needle Does anyone have a map they used for a breach and clear sitrep they wouldn't min...

trim grotto Apr 12, 2025, 6:55 PM

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How do you run Behemoth Brawl on a VTT? Foundry kind of breaks when I try to make a size 5 token and the Hardpoints are a bit cumbersome to actually run

static bobcatBOT Apr 12, 2025, 7:32 PM

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What version of foundry are you on

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On v12 it runs fine
You can use token attacher to keep them latched onto the behemoth
Major thing is to probably keep the players' tokens on a higher z index so that way it's easier to directly target them

trim grotto Apr 12, 2025, 9:33 PM

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What’s token attacher? An addon?

static bobcatBOT Apr 12, 2025, 10:56 PM

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Yea, a module

rough stone Apr 13, 2025, 2:11 AM

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are the hardpoints just specific spaces in the behemoths footprint players cant occupy?

serene iris Apr 13, 2025, 6:56 AM

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rough stone are the hardpoints just specific spaces in the behemoths footprint players cant ...

ya

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its mini npcs attached to a big npc

light merlin Apr 18, 2025, 8:51 AM

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quick question: in subzero temps do you get resistance to heat like the core book's extreme cold?

serene iris Apr 18, 2025, 9:55 AM

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unless it says so, no

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it does not say so

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you can play it that way though, nobody is stopping you

pseudo linden Apr 19, 2025, 11:34 PM

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people who've run breach and clears -- is it fair to think of them as a harder Gauntlet? I'm planning a combat with a variable sitrep and I wanted to make sure the difficulty went the right way

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current plan is for it to be Escort(hardest)->B&C->Gauntlet

serene iris Apr 20, 2025, 4:24 AM

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kinda?

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its kinda like escort without a payload

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needs a decently fast team and have either damage or control capability

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gauntlet just needs the second half

indigo wing Apr 22, 2025, 8:15 PM

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lofty heath I, once again, have done a thing

My word, what is that license on the right? That looks amazing!

lofty heath Apr 22, 2025, 8:17 PM

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That's the Ghoul from Trouble on Dpok, another Kobold alt. The Kobold is what you get when you insert memetic code into a forklift. Let that sit for a while, and you get the Salamander. Put the code into a Barbarossa, and you get the Ghoul :)

indigo wing Apr 22, 2025, 8:18 PM

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Gorgeous, thank you!!

true plaza Apr 25, 2025, 12:05 AM

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What are some good bonus objectives for Control?

Power Surge?

Scrambling Beacons?

olive bay Apr 25, 2025, 12:27 AM

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Decapitation Move, since the supreme leader can contest a control zone I believe

true plaza Apr 25, 2025, 6:23 AM

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Ohhh interesting

trim grotto Apr 29, 2025, 7:03 PM

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“Your mission is to fight the train”

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“Like, in Armored Core, right?”
“No.”

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Figured it out, dunno when it happened but Foundry has a lot of EC support now, it’ll be much easier to run it.

olive bay Apr 29, 2025, 7:17 PM

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trim grotto “Like, in Armored Core, right?” “No.”

Your mission is to survive the train

tranquil night May 11, 2025, 11:36 PM

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Hoe long does Rallying Cry on the Crusader last? If the Crusader keeps reapplying its Aura, does it stay active, rather?

olive bay May 12, 2025, 12:42 AM

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I think it just lasts as long as the Crusader has its aura active, which seems busted, but crusader is heavily balanced around having an effective range of 3

tranquil night May 12, 2025, 2:08 PM

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How long/wide should a Train Heist map be?

hidden sand May 12, 2025, 2:10 PM

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I assumed the crusaders rallying cry just lasted for that turn...

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Huh nvm... inspiring aura is a qa that lasts until end of next turn, rallying aura is a qa whilst inspiring aura is active, doesn't state it needs to be whilst 1 aura is active but whilst it has it up. So it can keep chaining inspiring aura

olive bay May 12, 2025, 2:27 PM

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tranquil night How long/wide should a Train Heist map be?

I think ~30 spaces long is a good average, enough space that the train is moving 4-6 spaces at the end of each round, it can also be dependent on what NPCs you're fielding to protect it

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width is also up to you but I usually keep it around 20-25 wide

obtuse raptor May 13, 2025, 2:01 PM

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tranquil night How long/wide should a Train Heist map be?

From my experience I advocate 24 or 30 in the direction of The Train's movement, unless your party is especially mobile or you want to put extra pressure on them.

trim grotto May 19, 2025, 4:41 AM

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today in Enhanced Combat

errant sierra May 21, 2025, 3:28 PM

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languid gust

Those assets rock. Where are they from?

harsh crest May 21, 2025, 3:30 PM

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errant sierra Those assets rock. Where are they from?

Inkarante

errant sierra May 21, 2025, 3:44 PM

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Ohh very nice. Big Stargate vibes

languid gust May 21, 2025, 4:10 PM

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errant sierra Ohh very nice. Big Stargate vibes

The faction the map belongs too is the Dominion of the Steel Sphinx. 🙂 a monarchy of ancient settlers whom revere the mechs of long passed Kings and Queens.

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So very stargate dabachu

errant sierra May 27, 2025, 2:09 PM

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Quick suggestion - I was putting together an encounter with a Shogun Commander and some Legionnaires and I took the "Ranking Officer" trait and I thought it might be a good synergy to have that trait extend the legion cohesion through the commander unit's sensor range? Thoughts on whether or not that might be busted? It may allow the legion to spread out more, but it may also encourage players to attack the officer and break cohesion if they can burst down the officer while the individual legionnaires are out of sensor range of each other.

hidden sand May 27, 2025, 2:31 PM

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I don't think it's busted but it's just turning off one of the downsides of Legionnaires

errant sierra May 27, 2025, 3:13 PM

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hidden sand I don't think it's busted but it's just turning off one of the downsides of Legi...

my thought is that it increases synergy, which is a bonus to the GM on the table, but it is an incentive to run another templated unit which makes the encounter designer have to budget more appropriately

hidden sand May 27, 2025, 3:14 PM

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Mmm fair

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It ain't like you're giving legionnaires innate immunity

errant sierra May 27, 2025, 3:15 PM

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and it seems like its mostly exploitable by the players. Maybe Ill run this encounter with this change and see how it goes. IT will be my first legionnaire encounter so I cant say I have a baseline yet lol

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if it encourages them to decapitate the commander, then it performed its function

tawny needle May 28, 2025, 11:55 PM

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Breach and Clear being twice the standard budget seemed a little spicy

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It was the second combat and, while my players were going a little fast and loose with being exposed, they walked out down two mechs

olive bay May 29, 2025, 12:53 AM

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I think it says to use between normal to twice encounter size, but it's not a required to use twice the size, right?

pseudo linden May 29, 2025, 2:08 AM

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i think even holdout in the base crb recommends double budget? but yeah it's all vibes at the end of the day

zealous scaffold May 29, 2025, 10:01 AM

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One thing that came up when I played one, is that most of the time during our advance we ended up one player out of the quadrant, and most ennemies dead.
That meant a lot of "empty" rounds where all we did was reposition, stabilize, and one of us did a bit of cleanup.

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So yeah, double is a lot, but players also somewhat control how fast the ennemies spawn, so it helps.

pseudo linden Jun 1, 2025, 9:45 AM

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speaking of B&C, can i get a read on this encounter please:

3 players + 1 npc ally (3 structure):

zone 1:
- Mercenary Archer [k] (Scout Drone, Flush Out)
- 2x Controller Grunt
- Berserker [k]: Harpoon Cannon

zone 2:
- Elite Veteran Barricade [k] (Spike Barrier, Seismic Repulsor, Vet (ENG))
- 1x Berserker
- Pyro [k] (Unshielded Reactor)

zone 3:
- Mercenary Archer
- 1x Controller Grunt
- 1x Berserker

zone 4:
- Demolisher [k]: Drag Cables
- 1x Controller Grunt
- 1x Pyro```

tawny needle Jun 2, 2025, 12:24 PM

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Seems about right

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Won't be a meat grinder with 3 ally activations, I don't think

chilly yew Jun 15, 2025, 3:18 PM

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Hey so I'm looking at the Legionnaires, which I love in concept already: They only have a single quick action to do stuff with, only doing boost/skirmish/overwatch. Does this include not having standard movement?

quasi vector Jun 15, 2025, 3:24 PM

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They get standard movement.

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It's not like Bracing.

chilly yew Jun 16, 2025, 1:31 PM

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Awesome, thanks

subtle fulcrum Jun 27, 2025, 6:30 PM

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Hey y'all got a player that is playing Bligh, noticing due to the nature of the LCP swabber drones don't seem to show up from the compendium automatically. Any advice on what I may be doing wrong or just how to build a swabber drone for foundry?

hidden sand Jun 27, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Foundry has good deployable management. But you can always make it an NCP. If you go to the items page you can make custom NpCs, frames, templates, etc

subtle fulcrum Jun 27, 2025, 6:34 PM

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will take a crack at it that way then, much obliged

subtle fulcrum Jun 27, 2025, 6:57 PM

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worked out and happy with the results, thanks for the help

tough robin Jun 27, 2025, 6:59 PM

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sorry wrong channel

agile lake Jul 6, 2025, 11:46 PM

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Question about Infiltration:
what scenarios would there be where a character is Hidden but not in sufficient cover to be hidden from a Hostile using Spot Hostile or is Invisible?

shell sleet Jul 6, 2025, 11:53 PM

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don't have the pdf handy but iirc it's worded in a way that makes it unclear if the scout/etc. Sight trait is supposed to count as "I'm allowed to spot this guy"

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when I tried this sitrep, frankly i found it fell apart extremely quickly with high sensors characters on the board, just because it's straight up unfun for scouts/snipers to spot you from 20 spaces away. i would strongly recommend, if you run this, to not have anything that's actually good at spotting for that reason

agile lake Jul 7, 2025, 12:07 AM

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shell sleet when I tried this sitrep, frankly i found it fell apart _extremely_ quickly with...

Hm, but they would still require clear LoS? I suppose it’s map dependent but in my experience it’s not easy for an enemy to start their turn with clear LoS to a player unless they’re in Close-Quarters

shell sleet Jul 7, 2025, 12:08 AM

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depends on map and elevation. it's definitely possible, and it was possible enough on a relatively normal map that it kinda turned me off of running that sitrep again

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if you run it, just be aware, it really does become "whoops! we are simply going to kill people 1 by 1 while hiding in any soft cover you've left on the map", and it's going to either stall out quickly or be just a deathmatch with weirder (not but higher or harder) stakes

agile lake Jul 7, 2025, 12:11 AM

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Fair

sinful sparrow Jul 8, 2025, 4:36 AM

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Question about the Bligh mech, if anyone could assist. I don't think so, but want to clarify; do the swabber drones benefit from pilot talents that give bonuses to weapons? Ie, Crack Shot for the swabber rifle?

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Because the weapons for those drones are listed in the Bligh weapons section, but Bligh itself does not use them.

hidden sand Jul 8, 2025, 9:24 AM

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No because its the drones making the attack not the player

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Its thr ssne justification that says the bligh is a pacifist

sinful sparrow Jul 8, 2025, 9:10 PM

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Fair enough, thank you for the response!

tawny needle Jul 11, 2025, 2:16 AM

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would anyone care to share some maps that they used a behemoth on?

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I've been struggling with design since it seems like cover to/from it will be irrelevant and it'll be able to just smash through stuff

olive bay Jul 11, 2025, 3:40 AM

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In my, albeit limited experiences running/fighting Behemoths, the fights do kinda boil down to big slap fights

obtuse raptor Jul 11, 2025, 4:03 PM

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That's a great question, I'm going to be doing one for the Combat after next. For my purposes I was thinking about a very dense urban environment. Once the players find out how the Behemoth feels about terrain they can make choices about where they want to be and therefore what terrain is destroyed.
Like in games where you can only step on specific tiles/spots that "disappear" or otherwise become invalid once you step off of them.

tawny needle Jul 11, 2025, 4:51 PM

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Mine is also in an urban area so I was just gonna make an urban grid with some pre-squished buildings

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Both of my next two maps are gonna look so inspired. Buildings in a city followed by a tank farm of size 3 vats.

grave palm Jul 11, 2025, 7:08 PM

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tawny needle would anyone care to share some maps that they used a behemoth on?

This is my poor attempt at running behemoths, I think dealing with the boss alone would be taxing enough so I just put place some size 2 cover and few soft cover and that's all.

zealous scaffold Jul 11, 2025, 7:14 PM

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yeah zones of soft cover are the big thing if you want cover to still matter against a behemoth

agile lake Jul 12, 2025, 5:13 PM

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If I want to use the Down to the Wire (aka Bomb) optional objective, what should I keep in mind if I want to ignore the rule of the bomb being exactly 14 spaces from the player deployment zone?

olive bay Jul 12, 2025, 5:32 PM

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Usually just put it in a spot where the PCs want to be, like on an objective point in a control/recon/king of the hill sitrep

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So the PCs will still go there, but now they have to decide if they want to wait for the bomb to blow up on its own, or run in and try to defuse it

agile lake Jul 12, 2025, 6:13 PM

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I wanna put it in a Control (it’s an asymmetrical one where it’s sorts Triforce/HA symbol shaped- one in the middle, one closer to the PC deploy zone, and 2 closer to the enemy deployment zone). I don’t wanna place it in the center because I have a different gimmick in mind for it, but idk if I should put it in the one closest to the players or the one closest to the enemies

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Which one sounds better?

olive bay Jul 12, 2025, 9:25 PM

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Maybe have the PCs roll for it at the beginning?

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I'm pretty sure NPCs can attempt to defuse it too, so if it gets placed in a spot disadvantageous for the NPCs, you can just have htem attempt to defuse it now

agile lake Jul 13, 2025, 4:04 PM

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olive bay Maybe have the PCs roll for it at the beginning?

When you say that, how do you mean? Like roll for which objective zone it’s gonna be in?

olive bay Jul 13, 2025, 4:11 PM

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yeah, mark each OBJ (1-4) and then have the PCs roll a D4 at the start of the scene

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gives it a bit of random whilst also being fair

agile lake Jul 13, 2025, 4:16 PM

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That’s not gonna work unfortunately, since I’m assigning a specific gimmick to each OZ and I want “bomb” to be the objective of one of them- it would cause too much map design variation

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And the fact that the control zones are asymmetrical hurts that too

olive bay Jul 13, 2025, 6:08 PM

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asymmetrcial? How are you positioning them?

trail gulch Sep 6, 2025, 4:56 AM

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Would/should the omnibus plate increase the size of the swabber cannon blast?

serene iris Sep 6, 2025, 6:55 AM

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i believe so

quasi vector Sep 6, 2025, 1:52 PM

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That interaction was absolutely intended.

trail gulch Sep 6, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Oh yea searched it real quick in the server and indeed

gray osprey Sep 17, 2025, 8:40 PM

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For the Infiltration Sitrep, as i interpret it this combat sitrep is meant to be run to its conclusion at six rounds and not intended to be ended early unless well, all the npcs are eliminated and they did not satisfy the loss condition for the PCs. Just double checking if that is the case.

true plaza Sep 28, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Anyone have advice for bonus objectives that go well with Behemoth fights? Want something more tactically interesting than "reduce HP to zero"

obtuse raptor Sep 28, 2025, 9:04 PM

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At one point I considered taking away their immunity to involuntary movement, replacing it with a bonus vs abilities that cause involuntary movement, and telling my players that one way or another they needed to lure it to a certain zone

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If you'd like to use bonus objectives from this book I think "Running Mech" would have potential

zealous scaffold Sep 28, 2025, 9:31 PM

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Stand defiant is fun

obtuse raptor Sep 28, 2025, 9:55 PM

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Extraction Beacon could be interesting with a tiny bit of modification, maybe a player character needs to climb the Behemoth to plant a Thing on its head/deck/etc?

true plaza Sep 29, 2025, 10:56 PM

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ohhhhh I like that

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thank you

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Do we think Argus Armor is too much for a Behemoth fight at LL9 or 🤔

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I can probably just give it Shield Generator hardpoint and it will do the same job story-telling wise

true plaza Sep 29, 2025, 11:17 PM

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Behemoth's "immunity to prone, intangible, and all involuntary movement" does not cover Puppet Systems? Or is it meant to ignore Puppet Systems a la Heavy Frame?

obtuse raptor Sep 29, 2025, 11:58 PM

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It ignores any effect that tries to make it move outside of the effects of its own actions/reactions/etc

obtuse raptor Sep 30, 2025, 12:01 AM

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true plaza Do we think Argus Armor is too much for a Behemoth fight at LL9 or 🤔

I've never run the Behemoth Brawl but I feel like the last thing it's lacking in is survivability. The Behemoth's NPC entry does say it doesn't get Ultra optionals but at LL9 things will be pretty ridiculous regardless

true plaza Sep 30, 2025, 12:12 AM

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Hmmm good to think about, thank you

zealous scaffold Sep 30, 2025, 1:10 AM

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true plaza Behemoth's "immunity to prone, intangible, and all involuntary movement" does no...

Puppet systems is involuntary movement like any other, so it gets ignored like the rest.

fresh fjord Oct 3, 2025, 11:41 PM

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I have a quick question about Infiltration just to make sure I understand it correctly.

If PCs end their turn in Soft Cover, they cannot be scored upon, yes? So, Infiltration sitreps should have minimal Soft Cover, or should there be a lot of soft cover? this is what I have in the works, but I think its too much cover, like it will trivialize the sitrep

shell sleet Oct 4, 2025, 12:01 AM

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i would suggest not running infiltration on a map without major line of sight blockers, like buildings or such, that make actually getting line of sight relatively difficult (not just soft cover or normal cover objects)

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i found that for it to work, you also basically need to avoid using anything with high sensors to prevent it from becoming an otherwise mundane deathmatch

fresh fjord Oct 6, 2025, 5:07 AM

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it ended up working out fine when I ran it. I see your point about breaking line of sight, but the players do not need to block line of sight to avoid being scored on. they only need to have soft cover sufficient to hide. So why do you think that we need large LoS breakers? not trying to be hostile, just curious about your thought process

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on another note:

Behemoth Brawl.

How do you folks run those? i mean mechanically, in FoundryVtt. Do you make separate Actors for the Nodes, and just place them around the Behemoth's token? or do you just track them off to the side?

shell sleet Oct 6, 2025, 5:46 AM

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fresh fjord it ended up working out fine when I ran it. I see your point about breaking line...

it's a functional mechanic, but it adds very little besides "sit in the goop zones" if line of sight isn't an actual issue

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if players can just sit in soft cover, they'll always do that, and while that's a neat quirk i don't find that it adds much to the overall experience. relevant line of sight blockers make actually using cover intelligently important, and overall turns it into something worth playing as a minigame imo

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(i also think it makes the self-immo on a spot action more consequential, but that's more minor)

fresh fjord Oct 6, 2025, 5:50 AM

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-nod nod-

shell sleet Oct 6, 2025, 5:51 AM

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for foundry & behemoth brawls, yeah. you can mess with token Z settings to make the node actors always display on top as well

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i think our table ended up placing the nodes where they're supposed to be + using token z, and if it was being finicky the GM would just drag the node over so the player could target it. it was a little annoying sometimes but nothing much

drowsy anchor Oct 9, 2025, 2:57 AM

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how is clash of titans? seems somewhat DPR focused

true plaza Oct 13, 2025, 9:36 PM

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I'm a big fan of clash of titans, especially since you can assign tokens to NPCs that will force the PCs to make tough decisions - do we sink effort into killing a Goliath for a dps token, or do we get rid of this Ace that will kill us if we ignore for only a block token?

Do we focus this higher structure ultra all for a single token so it doesn't wipe us or do we clean up all these weaker enemies for the objective and play keepaway from the pain?

Add in a bonus objective and you're golden

quasi vector Oct 14, 2025, 12:39 PM

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What happens in Train Heist if you create a Blinkshield containing the train? Or partially containing it?

serene iris Oct 14, 2025, 10:57 PM

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quasi vector What happens in Train Heist if you create a Blinkshield containing the train? Or...

train can move no matter what

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no matter what

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nothing can stop the train

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its written in bold text

quasi vector Oct 14, 2025, 11:01 PM

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Who would win?

The pinnacle of Think Tank blinkspace engineering
trane

zealous scaffold Oct 14, 2025, 11:09 PM

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Who would win?

The pinnacle of Think Tank blinkspace engineering
a Blinkshield

obtuse raptor Oct 14, 2025, 11:35 PM

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When I did my reverse Train Heist I made sure to always capitalize it as "The Train" to emphasize that train beats mech in a ramming contest

gloomy iris Oct 19, 2025, 9:40 PM

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So, I have a question.

We are trying to fight a Behemoth that been structured twice. Since the GM took 2 structure, if the Behemoth does a Integrated Auto Repair, does he get 3 full hard points due to the 2 structure missing?

serene iris Oct 20, 2025, 1:47 AM

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gloomy iris So, I have a question. We are trying to fight a Behemoth that been structured t...

yes/no

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its limited 1 that regains a charge on structure

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if it used it before losing a structure then it does gain 1 more hard point 3 times if it did that 3 times

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since it starts with a charge

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also hardpoints can only be repaired once

remote void Oct 21, 2025, 3:19 PM

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Does the Titan from Clash of Titan sitrep count as cover?
As an MCE, it doesn't block LoS as stated at the beginning of the book, but nothing is said about cover afaik

hidden sand Oct 21, 2025, 3:20 PM

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If nothing is said about cover then it doesn't

fresh fjord Oct 21, 2025, 11:02 PM

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are the Behemoth's Nodes actually IN the behemoth's space, or adjacent to it? it says

hardpoints are fixed single space points on the behemoth

but it also says

Characters amy not occupy the spaces of a Hardpoint

Isn't that by default? Or is the intention that the hardpoint are spots in a Behemoth's spaces that players cannot move through, no matter what? And that if a Behemoth moves and one of those spaces bumps into a player, they are pushed out of the space?

serene iris Oct 21, 2025, 11:02 PM

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fresh fjord are the Behemoth's Nodes actually IN the behemoth's space, or adjacent to it? it...

in

shell sleet Oct 21, 2025, 11:02 PM

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behemoths explicitly let characters share space with them, except for hardpoints

serene iris Oct 21, 2025, 11:02 PM

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lemme go find the tokens that i saw ralf use once

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fresh fjord Oct 21, 2025, 11:03 PM

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shell sleet behemoths explicitly let characters share space with them, _except_ for hardpoin...

OH i didn't see that, i see it now in the BEHEMOTH trait. okay, cool!

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very nice

shell sleet Oct 21, 2025, 11:03 PM

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ah, yeah, those hardpoints make 10x less sense if you missed that lol

fresh fjord Oct 21, 2025, 11:03 PM

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shell sleet Oct 21, 2025, 11:04 PM

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yeah, you can share spaces and it has a superheavy melee designed specifically for people occupying its spaces

fresh fjord Oct 21, 2025, 11:04 PM

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they've got a resurrected Exomorph (monstrosity + veteran + commander) ally haha

serene iris Oct 21, 2025, 11:04 PM

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where do people find these cool iso art wtf

fresh fjord Oct 21, 2025, 11:05 PM

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the map i made using Starcraft's Mapmaker. The tokens are all Retrograde minis (though I did some color editing to the swallowtail on the right there). I bought a Wasp sprite off Itch for the exomorph. The Behemoth is a token.... i think its in the Wallflower community resources? for the wallflower campaign?

serene iris Oct 21, 2025, 11:06 PM

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i c i c

fresh fjord Nov 5, 2025, 10:37 PM

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i just had an idea. Clash of Titans = opposing armies with lancer PCs and enemy Mech as support??? thoughts?

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also the behemoth brawl went SO good

drowsy anchor Nov 10, 2025, 9:57 PM

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fresh fjord i just had an idea. Clash of Titans = opposing armies with lancer PCs and enemy ...

Like, the titans are armies, and the party is support? Or are you suggesting PvP? Or

fresh fjord Nov 10, 2025, 10:23 PM

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The titans are actually an army. So its like two armies and the lancers vs npcs are support

obtuse raptor Nov 12, 2025, 8:19 AM

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I'd have to look at the actual sitrep again but it sounds like a good idea. It vaguely reminds me of how in Sid Meyers' Pirates! sword duels between captains of ships both influenced and reflected the combat of their crews.

agile lake Nov 21, 2025, 3:43 AM

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Is house ruling it so that the Breach n’ Clear quadrant reveal condition is the same as the victory condition a common houserule?

hidden sand Nov 21, 2025, 11:20 AM

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Id probably say no, just because that means if you're tight on time there's a chance you can't play the risk reward and rush the last point

empty terrace Dec 26, 2025, 7:39 AM

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honestly, I do wonder if it'd be possible for insurgents to acquire the hapsburg? I mean, it's quite an old frame which means that most would be collecting dust in warehouses on alot of diasporan worlds. If not serve as a very easy deniable asset for Harrison armory c:

quasi vector Dec 26, 2025, 1:46 PM

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The existence of HORUS is a boon for deniable corprostate operations. The fact that, if you can find the right server, you could download habsburg_v2.11.293.(REAL).torrent, and that anyone can claim to be HORUS and there's no one who can gainsay them, means there's always doubts when saying someone is secretly backing an insurgency.

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And it's difficult at best for one group to call out another for doing so without exposing their own assets, so it'll keep happening.

empty terrace Dec 27, 2025, 12:24 AM

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quasi vector The existence of HORUS is a boon for deniable corprostate operations. The fact t...

plus, at the same time I'd argue that the hapsburg would definitely be out within HORUS forums considering that the chassis is only slightly younger than the genghis MK1 and already outdated by modern standardsm meaning there's likely a very high chance that it's somewhere out there along with genghis MK1 liscenses versus other frames like say, the iskander for example c:

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So ironically, I could very likely see much older frames like the hapsburg and such finding a new life within the hands of insurgents who'd literally take any other mechagnized frame they can get their hands on c:

rapid pier Jan 12, 2026, 10:14 PM

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Idk if anyone has made a note, but the Morningstar dirty bomb optional has a spelling error Brust , instead of Burst

shadow birch Jan 18, 2026, 12:28 AM

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May I ask for a clarification on the Bligh? Which one is the real No Quarter?

serene iris Jan 18, 2026, 12:53 AM

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shadow birch May I ask for a clarification on the Bligh? Which one is the real No Quarter?

the lcp is more accurate i think

quasi vector Jan 18, 2026, 1:19 AM

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It also synergizes better with Kidd systems.

twilit marlin Jan 20, 2026, 5:11 PM

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shadow birch May I ask for a clarification on the Bligh? Which one is the real No Quarter?

I think you have an out of date PDF, the version in the LCP is the most up to date rendition of that trait.

rapid pier Jan 22, 2026, 5:12 AM

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These bonus objectives make me feel like it would be very possible to make a sort of Roguelike Lancer.

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I like it

twilit marlin Jan 23, 2026, 7:45 AM

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It's definitely possible. Ralf has done Battle Royale Lancer already, so I wouldn't be surprised in it eventually running Doom or something

light merlin Jan 25, 2026, 10:35 PM

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can I get someone's thoughts about an encounter with the decapitation move as a bonus objective? If I were to put a Supreme Leader behind an Ultra that doesnt really defend them, would that be too much?

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and by that I mean they would try to keep the main objective of king of the hill defended but if the leader gets focused down they wont really try to prevent them from getting hit or focused down

wheat moss Jan 25, 2026, 10:40 PM

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since the Supreme Leader isn't a scoring character it'd make sense to have the Ultra stick around the objective, yeah

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If you're wanting the objective to be more feasible i'd just go with an Ultra that isn't going to wind up with 15 billion HP to chew through since the Supreme Leader already gets its own 15 billion

light merlin Jan 26, 2026, 12:27 AM

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I did want said ultra to be a crusader. On that not the both of these might be too much

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we are LL6 for reference

static shell Jan 30, 2026, 7:27 AM

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Ahoy hoy, Ive been using the Enhanced Combat NPCs for my group for a while now, but I'm stupid and didn't notice the Variant Frames at the back until just now. How well are they balanced, do you all think? I've not got a super good eye for that in the first place

serene iris Jan 30, 2026, 7:32 AM

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fairly well balanced

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none of them are stronger than gorgon

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if that was the concern

static shell Jan 30, 2026, 7:33 AM

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I am so happy that my Gorgon player isnt a powergamer and is just a pet fanatic

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Wait

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Im thinking of Hydra

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it's been a long day. Thank you for the reply haha

fresh fjord Feb 1, 2026, 4:42 AM

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I have a question about the Tempest, that I think i asked but do not recall getting a reply about (or I did and no one tagged me). But Climate Nodes:

⁨At the start of combat and after the PCs have deployed, deploy a number of Climate Nodes equal to the number of PCs. They can be deployed no more than 10 spaces from the Player Deployment Zone or from another node. ⁩

does this mean that a node must BOTH be within 10 of deployment AND within 10 of another node, or that the first node must be within 10 of PD, and the rest can be within 10 of PD or within 10 of another node?

agile lake Feb 1, 2026, 4:49 AM

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fresh fjord I have a question about the Tempest, that I think i asked but do not recall gett...

Wrong thread

fresh fjord Feb 1, 2026, 4:54 AM

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oh whoops

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i thought that was a lancer enhanced combat npc

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my baaaad

errant raptor Feb 6, 2026, 10:47 AM

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Question about the Morningstar NPC type
What exactly counts as 'being destroyed by a tech action?'

serene iris Feb 6, 2026, 10:53 AM

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errant raptor Question about the Morningstar NPC type What exactly counts as 'being destroyed ...

some tech actions do damage

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im rather certain it has to be directly from a tech action

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not the burn from a tech action ticking down again or the damage from an expose from a tech action

errant raptor Feb 6, 2026, 10:57 AM

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I was trying to imagine what would happen to an Ultra Morningstar with Superior Reactor, and thus immunity to Exposed

serene iris Feb 6, 2026, 11:47 AM

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shouldnt have that probably, part of the design is that its very bulky but low heatcap

twilit marlin Feb 6, 2026, 12:29 PM

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It's for the off-case someone makes a Grunt Morningstar since without it they'd instantly explode

hidden sand Feb 6, 2026, 2:50 PM

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Cases it would definitely count:

Killed via eject power cores
Killed via molten puncture (immolate)
Killed via purifying code (flaw plus or minus)
Killed via being a bitch ass grunt and taking external heat

Cases it might count:

Killed via Dominions breadth chip damage
Killed via Imperial eye chip damage
Killed via Walk of kings chipp damage

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Honestly I think a morningstar with superior reactor wouldn't be too bad

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Like, a morningstart can only explode once, the threat of a grunt morningstar is their numbers, the threat of a veteran is that it will take more to kill it so it has more opportunities to get closer and the threat of an elite is that it has double the speed or chances to stabilise

An ultra may have 4 times the hp and stress but can only explode once

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There are other ways to bait it from exploding, and it will just mean you are constantly aware that it CAN explode, you just need to make sure when it's low on structure you aren't near it

agile lake Feb 6, 2026, 3:03 PM

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Btw, what do y’all think of the EC Bonus Objectives? IMO they’re all really fun sans Contract Killer. For that one the Contract killer looks a bit too bulky and making the target immune to all but the Killer’s damage feels weird

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Also have y’all ever felt the Executioner is too specific? Just looking at it it doesn’t look the most fun to me because it’s very much “do one thing and one thing only” while also seeming a little too good at that one thing. I get NPCs are supposed to be highly specialized but it feels very min-maxed to me

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(I’m asking this because ideally I’d like to be dissuaded about this because it seems okay conceptually)

serene iris Feb 6, 2026, 11:29 PM

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agile lake Also have y’all ever felt the Executioner is too specific? Just looking at it it...

its not that great at that one thing actually

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its more of a threat like sniper without the one reload reaction

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or bombard

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it cant grapple and use its melee on the same turn

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since the melee is a superheavy

agile lake Feb 6, 2026, 11:31 PM

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Idk if I like the idea of a "melee sniper" tbh, especially when Demolisher already exists in that regard

serene iris Feb 6, 2026, 11:32 PM

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agile lake Idk if I like the idea of a "melee sniper" tbh, especially when Demolisher alrea...

consider that demolisher doesnt ever hit if it even ever gets close and also that its more of a "break this grapple before i take my turn next round" sort of threat

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in my experiences executioners essentially become threats into a high priority target if they nab someone

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they become a very good distraction, but since they arent thaat tanky they also can be reasonably killed

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just dont ever put supreme melee on them

quasi vector Feb 7, 2026, 4:13 AM

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Yeah, even rebake Supreme Melee makes them stupidly powerful.

warm basin Feb 8, 2026, 4:21 PM

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hmmm
is there a way to make this feature of salamander works in LL2?
since salamander/kobold seems dont have much tech attack option at current license?

olive bay Feb 8, 2026, 4:54 PM

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you still have the basic fragment signal invade (Slowed and Impaired until end of your next turn)

quasi vector Feb 8, 2026, 5:11 PM

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FragSig is seldom a bad option, and it synergizes with Salamander by making it harder for them to escape your slag bombs and for them to succeed on the saves.

agile lake Feb 8, 2026, 5:18 PM

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The amount of times I've been staring at my players thinking "use frag sig use frag sig use frag sig" and then they choose not to do it is a lot

warm basin Feb 8, 2026, 5:41 PM

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Ah yess
I forgot I have that option
Thankies~

light merlin Feb 10, 2026, 6:59 AM

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Quick question on the Crusader. If they overwatch with their sword does that allow them to swing on another target?

serene iris Feb 10, 2026, 7:54 AM

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yes

fresh fjord Feb 16, 2026, 9:39 AM

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Ive got a question about Clash of the Titans.

At the end of every round, the enemy titan deals 1 Structure to player titan. So, if by the end of round 1 they haven't collected a Defense token, the player titan is taking a damage. However, the players cannot spend Attack tokens to damage enemy titan until after round 7. So, best case scenario, PCs have to deal with 7 incoming damage. To even be possible, that means there need to be at least 4 Defense tokens acquirable as soon as possible, and 4 Attack tokens acquirable. That's 8 enemy NPCs.

We can't fit all that in a starting deployment, that's way more actions than the book recommends for a sitrep, unless you've got a party of six, seven people. So some of those would be held as reinforcements.

So, does anyone have any thoughts on best practices here? how many defense tokens should be immediately acquirable? is it assumed that the PCs will take some damage inevitably, or do people put eight defense tokens and 4 offense tokens in there?

zealous scaffold Feb 16, 2026, 10:52 AM

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I don't know where you see that the PCs can only deal damage after round 7

fresh fjord Feb 17, 2026, 12:23 AM

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agile lake Feb 17, 2026, 12:32 AM

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That says any amount, as in you can spend more than one

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Before then, you can still spend attack tokens to deal damage it's just that there's a limit (1 attack token per round I believe?)

zealous scaffold Feb 17, 2026, 12:52 AM

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Yeah it's just the normal rules of how it works before round 7, one structure a turn.

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The line right above the one you posted.

fresh fjord Feb 17, 2026, 1:49 AM

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oh woops

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no you're right i missed that

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hehehehehe green = gives defense token, red = gives attack token. there isn't an enemy titan, instead its abstracted to instead have a Union army the players are supporting, and moving across the field, spending attack tokens to weaken the pirate forces enough to break through their wall at the end of the map

warm basin Feb 19, 2026, 3:47 AM

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what is the most efficient way to destroy multiple slag bombs other than using seismic ripper?
what are the quick action system/weapon that capable of doing that? 🤔

serene iris Feb 19, 2026, 9:26 PM

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warm basin what is the most efficient way to destroy multiple slag bombs other than using s...

displacer

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raleigh grenades

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prospector talent

vagrant dagger Feb 19, 2026, 10:08 PM

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warm basin what is the most efficient way to destroy multiple slag bombs other than using s...

Slag Breath

serene iris Feb 20, 2026, 4:16 AM

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easiest one to incorporate out of all of these is the raleigh grenades

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only issue is they are limited 3

agile lake Feb 20, 2026, 4:33 AM

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Siege Spec 1

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Imo Siege Spec 1 is the most efficient way to go about it

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Also because the Salamander has Insulated, Juggernaut 3 and Siege Ram

vagrant dagger Feb 20, 2026, 5:06 AM

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Siege Spec 1 has disadvantages, since it knocks adjacent targets out of the blast zone. You gotta space things out right. Siege Ram is my preferred method overall though.

quasi vector Feb 20, 2026, 5:19 AM

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warm basin what is the most efficient way to destroy multiple slag bombs other than using s...

Plasma Cutters.

serene iris Feb 20, 2026, 6:11 AM

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the question was multiple slag bombs, which i guess plasma cutters does because an aux/aux of them would do that, but i still think raleigh grenades are far and away the easiest and greatest uptime of the options

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1ll, only a quick, and also does some additional damage to the target inside

agile lake Feb 20, 2026, 2:09 PM

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vagrant dagger Siege Spec 1 has disadvantages, since it knocks adjacent targets out of the blas...

I’d need to look up if the Slag Bomb explosion would occur in the middle of the action or after the action resolves- which involves first finding a comparable analog in 1st party

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But if I were to guess, I think with SS1 you could destroy the slag bomb, resolve the slag explosion, and then inflict the Knockback

quasi vector Feb 20, 2026, 2:17 PM

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Yeah, the explosion isn't an action, so it can resolve in the middle.

agile lake Feb 20, 2026, 2:17 PM

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Yeah so Siege Spec 1 is definitely better than Siege Ram IMO because the LL level and SP is more valuable than 1 talent rank

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And you’re operating at a medium range anyway

quasi vector Feb 20, 2026, 2:19 PM

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Also, you get a really nice cannon.

agile lake Feb 20, 2026, 2:20 PM

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Even if you didn’t AOE weapons like Mortars are probably helpful to the Salamander

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To hit bombs without going out of their way for it

vagrant dagger Feb 20, 2026, 2:53 PM

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I actually find a lot of utility from that one LL of Tortuga, since Deck-Sweeper is a perfect weapon on Salamander

agile lake Feb 20, 2026, 3:04 PM

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Valid

agile lake Feb 20, 2026, 3:20 PM

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Still, Siege Spec 1 is prolly your best ranged option

vagrant dagger Feb 20, 2026, 5:31 PM

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Yeah, it's definitely a good option to have in your back pocket. You just have to play a bit tactically with it to avoid knocking the enemy out of the AoE.

serene iris Feb 20, 2026, 5:37 PM

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I would agree siege spec 1 is generally your best option to destroy bombs at range

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If you can get your hands on it one of the new exotics is really good for it as well

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Oh wait thats a heavy nevermind

agile lake Feb 20, 2026, 6:54 PM

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vagrant dagger Yeah, it's definitely a good option to have in your back pocket. You just have t...

No you don’t

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You can destroy, explode, then knock back

lucid aurora Feb 21, 2026, 2:03 AM

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I will say a funky Salamander combo license I’ve found is Mourning Cloak

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Not the most viable, you still should try packing Siege Spec 1 or some other QA terrain destroyer, but the HLS’s Terrify option is pretty strong, especially if your enemy can’t retreat effectively and it still Impairs them for difficulty on the bomb explosion

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Plus Variable Sword can be really handy against characters who get too close to you while running Fusion Rifle, along with just using FADE Cloak, Fold Knife, and/or Singularity Motivator to phase through walls

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Again, not the “best” choice for Salamander but it has some fun value to it

agile lake Feb 24, 2026, 6:48 PM

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You probably only need 2 levels in MC to that effect tbh

remote void Mar 3, 2026, 11:11 PM

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Any idea of how many eggs should be present on the map with the Hatchery environmental effect ?
I guess it depends on the SitRep, OpFor and what kind of Monstrosity is in the eggs, but is there an average (or min/max above which it becomes useless/broken) ?

olive bay Mar 4, 2026, 12:00 AM

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I usually do equal to the number of PCs +/-1 egg

vagrant fulcrum Mar 4, 2026, 1:21 AM

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old thorn Mar 12, 2026, 5:12 AM

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Question about the phantasm. Is it intended for phantasms to be able to use other phantasm's holograms with refract beam? It only says "a hologram" while holo decoys says "its holograms".

gray osprey Apr 1, 2026, 2:13 AM

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question regarding the necromancer: if a necromancer is an ultra or elite, does it give its thrall drones only one turn a round or does it give the thralls a turn twice because itself acts twice?

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reference

olive bay Apr 1, 2026, 4:37 AM

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I would interpret it as the thralls get more turns

gray osprey Apr 1, 2026, 2:10 PM

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Thats how i saw it but my players were getting very antsy about the thralls having so much action economy and wanted a definitive answer

twilit marlin Apr 1, 2026, 2:38 PM

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gray osprey reference

They do get doubled up action econ effectively, yes. It's partially limited in how many Thralls it can spawn and that doesn't get bypassed with Ultra's Shock and Awe I believe.

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You're free to do it as a once per round thing if you want to tamp it down since Necromancer is one of those NPCs that gets a bit zooted with templates, much like Nosferatu or Phantasm.

twilit marlin Apr 1, 2026, 2:39 PM

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old thorn Question about the phantasm. Is it intended for phantasms to be able to use othe...

speaking of which, afaik the answer is yes.

gray osprey Apr 1, 2026, 2:48 PM

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Yeah even with limited thrall gen per round the dps has been a bit disconcerting

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Necromancer Ultra doesnt play around

old thorn Apr 1, 2026, 6:09 PM

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twilit marlin speaking of which, afaik the answer is yes.

Hm, that makes phantasm (esp elite ones) a lot scarier, thanks!

cinder flint Apr 9, 2026, 7:18 PM

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how wide should the quadrants in a breach & clear sitrep be?

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all pilots on my table have a speed of 4

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so.... 5?

twilit marlin Apr 9, 2026, 8:09 PM

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cinder flint how wide should the quadrants in a breach & clear sitrep be?

It should vary both depending on the opfor you want to bring and the players you have imo, but the general rule of thumb I use is that given the round limit, players should be able to comfortably get across a quadrant within 2 rounds of combat, given Breach and Clear caps out at 8.

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so for a team of Speed 4s I'd consider like 8 spaces for the quadrants.

rose fiber Apr 21, 2026, 5:23 PM

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Continuing from the above, my party's speed comp is 2 mechs with 3 speed, and 2 mechs with 7 speed. Should I base the speed off of the slowest, the fastest, or split the difference?

serene iris Apr 21, 2026, 5:26 PM

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rose fiber Continuing from the above, my party's speed comp is 2 mechs with 3 speed, and 2 ...

how fast are your 3 speed mechs

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typically, it should take them about 1.5 turns to get to the next quadrant iirc

rose fiber Apr 21, 2026, 5:29 PM

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They're Speed 4, but we have Lich who loves Haste and hands it out like candy, and an Orchis who goes insanely fast and will pull allies along with ferrous lash.

serene iris Apr 21, 2026, 5:33 PM

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hmmm... typically speaking, a breach and clear is about 8 to 10 spaces of distance

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so i think 10 spaces should be fine? it also just depends on how you play as a gm and your npcs, if you are slowing your players down a bunch someway or the other, then you should reduce the distance

rose fiber Apr 21, 2026, 5:36 PM

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That's fair, I do have a lot of Hornets in the opfor which is likely gonna cause them grief

lunar pond Apr 27, 2026, 8:28 AM

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What is the intended method of fighting the Phantasm? Fought one with 2 activations per round so it had ample opportunity to either attack us or refresh its clones if they were down and that was a nightmare and a half esp considering we had an Ultra and friends on the field as well.

serene iris Apr 28, 2026, 1:23 AM

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lunar pond What is the intended method of fighting the Phantasm? Fought one with 2 activati...

scanning the phantasm

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reading its systems

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killing all the clones and then attacking it

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or using methods that don't require attacks

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the phantasm cant full action multiple times, and if you have an aux/aux user its easy to destroy several at once

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so you reduce it to 1 phantasm and then shoot it

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or just bolster the person who is about to shoot at it next turn

lunar pond Apr 28, 2026, 1:50 AM

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serene iris scanning the phantasm

oh yeah we already scanned it and looked at it once

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we're just thinking forward to the rematch

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we didn't end up killing it. the mech escaped while we fought and killed its friends because we decided that was better than going after a 2 activation phantasm that we weren't sure we could take off the table before its friends (including an ultra) got us

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DC2, save vs damage like hex charges, uhh. dominion's breadth aoes.

serene iris Apr 28, 2026, 2:07 AM

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lunar pond DC2, save vs damage like hex charges, uhh. dominion's breadth aoes.

oooh hex charges

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ok ya just set up hex charges next to a phantasm hologram

lunar pond Apr 28, 2026, 2:07 AM

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as in the grenade, i mean

serene iris Apr 28, 2026, 2:08 AM

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if you have the grenade, you have the mine

lunar pond Apr 28, 2026, 2:08 AM

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hmm

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you'd have to force the phantasm to hop to that hologram, but i suppose that's workable

serene iris Apr 28, 2026, 2:08 AM

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set them up next to a hologram, then remove the other holograms

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then once you shoot the phantasm

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it has to jump to that one with the mines

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bam sudden explosion boom pow dead

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or at the very least 2d6 damage per mine to the face

lunar pond Apr 28, 2026, 2:09 AM

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that would be very good

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