MALEGHAST HOMEBREW

[ivory bane]

I would suggest just battle damage tbh

maybe some sort of shade leaking from the seams

[stuck canopy]

already done that

just want something above his head like dis

but i aint feeling the rank

[dense trail]

painted on skull

Atlas style

[stuck canopy]

i love it but its too much

has to be small

hmmm actually

too much?

ill just have a basic one for now

can always ad paintjobs in future

[low river]

tell me the vibe and i may be able to help

[ivory bane]

i think this one works, but i like the base one tbh

[stuck canopy]

they are literally sand undead piloting mechanical bodies

[low river]

It is taking everything i have to not suggest something egyptian

[stuck canopy]

The Denizens of House Zeitlos have a thing where the more time they spend in undeath, the more their flesh turns to sand and they have to replace it with said mechanical carapaces

[low river]

I'VE GOT IT

[stuck canopy]

i did have that in mind while making them but it feels too cliche

[low river]

the skull thing, but the eyes are gears

[stuck canopy]

too ornate

[low river]

oh ok

[stuck canopy]

gotta be simple and crude

[low river]

can't help then

[stuck canopy]

like old plane paintjobs

ill keep things in mind but till then

Big Bro Barghest can now protect his lil brothers

[proven orchid]

Maleghast brewers, we have bad news
we've been using the wrong terminology for a mechanic this whole time 😔

[low river]

what is it?

[proven orchid]

creating terrain

(we have been saying "create a piece of elevated terrain" when it could have just been "create elevated terrain")

[low river]

LMAO

[proven orchid]

:wailing:

we have to rewrite everything this is a core faction mechanic

[low river]

[stuck canopy]

Pfffft

[simple plaza]

A reckoning upon the community

[ivory bane]

I still think its funny that this guy will die faster than 1 (one) naked midget with a whip

[stuck canopy]

the Barghest?

hmmmmm perhaps

thing is barghest is harder to hit while whippy boi is practically a guarenteed hit

miracle is scary tho

fuckin 4 miracles in a row is our groups highscore

damn zealot wouldnt bloody die

[proven orchid]

good news it was mostly fine

[ivory bane]

I actually suggest nerfing this then lmao

If its tankier than a penitent, its too tanky

Because penitent is already undying

I would suggest giving it enforcer hp-save-armor instead

Oh yeah hold the line and steadfast too

Ironman is near useless tho, people typically dont attack at all if it would be completely cancelled out

[stuck canopy]

true

[ivory bane]

Defense is more or less "how hard is it to hit" and this thing defo looks like its very easy to hit

I would actually

Hmmm

[stuck canopy]

hp save-armor?

[ivory bane]

5 hp, 2+, phys

Is what i would give it

[stuck canopy]

i assumed hit is like dnd AC

it could be either harder to hit or harder to hit meaningfully

[ivory bane]

Deadsiuls have high df because they are hard to hit

Penitent has df of 2+ because its actively trying to get hit

[stuck canopy]

hmmm

ill lower it to a 3+

[ivory bane]

Enforcer has 3+ because he is very big, despite being armored and having a big shield

[stuck canopy]

same is goregrinders scion

[ivory bane]

Then i suggest sticking to 4 hp+armor

[stuck canopy]

i wanna keep the superarmour

[ivory bane]

I really, really dont recommend it

[stuck canopy]

how come?

[ivory bane]

1. This is a high damage unit
2. With accolades it gets essential +1 hp
3. it derives counterplay
4. its kinda annoying

[stuck canopy]

hmmmmmmmm

one sec

[ivory bane]

So like the thing is, if a unit both kills you easily and is hard as hell to kill, its not really a good idea

Making it physical adds counterplay, hence why enforcers are actually high damage units

Penitents on other hand deal wet slaps worth of damage

I also think it would make sense for the mechasuit to protect little against magic

Like it stops the hits, but poison seeps through anyway, fire cooks the pilot inside, curse/holy - pure magic

[stuck canopy]

more fitting?

ill change ironman to be something mroe worth taking

Hold the line is replaced with Wreckage, and ARM is physical

also bumped up his hp to 4 instead of 3

[ivory bane]

Whats hunker down meant to do btw?

[stuck canopy]

protect the lil ones as cover and graze damage is denied

[ivory bane]

Theres just no such thing as full cover xd

[stuck canopy]

wait

one sec

just cover than

basically Hunker down is legit just "i am rock"

do need to word it better tho

[ivory bane]

Under cover would probably mean that the bargeist gets cover and thats it

Which is kinda wasting the action tbh

[stuck canopy]

it also denies the graze damage from misses

wait can u apply tokens to graze damage?

[ivory bane]

Maybe "grants cover to allies" could fit better?
"counts as a valid source of cover for allies"?

[ivory bane]

Strength tokens? Yes

[stuck canopy]

i like the idea of them denying graze damage then

thick boi

tis but a scratch

[ivory bane]

So do you want them to give cover to others or to tzemselves?

[stuck canopy]

themselves

[ivory bane]

I just dont see a situation rn in which hunker down is better than to just shoot :<

[stuck canopy]

hunker down is a ground gaining tool

[ivory bane]

True but why tho

I guess in objective game modes?

[stuck canopy]

push them up front, hunker down while your trenchfoots set their shovels to make trenches

[ivory bane]

Yea but why
Hunker down just kinda
Makes your enemy ignore your guy

But you also kinda waste an action

[stuck canopy]

choke em and roadblock em

[ivory bane]

Simoly because the main gun is very stronk

[stuck canopy]

only if ur roll high

[ivory bane]

I mean the 2 damage base

[stuck canopy]

ahhhhh i see

[ivory bane]

I would actually suggest switch the 3 damage bit for splash tho

[stuck canopy]

doesnt carnifex have an even stronger attack?

[ivory bane]

Carnifex has 1 damage 4+ 1 damage again 6+ 1 damage again

Its conditionally strong

[stuck canopy]

hmmmmmm

one se

[ivory bane]

It, for example, sucks ass against armor

[low river]

so it ruins goregrinders

[stuck canopy]

u have a point

[ivory bane]

Way i would do it
Attack Range 2-3
On Hit: 2 fire damage, (5+) then Splash (Target) 1 fire damage (6+) ignores armor

[stuck canopy]

damage nerf

[stuck canopy]

that would be broken

[ivory bane]

That would be better

[stuck canopy]

much too strong

[ivory bane]

Mhm

Still functionally weaker than 3 base imo

Your new take is better

Lastly, devil damage fist...

I would actually make it an upgrade

[stuck canopy]

that is one thing im adamant on

1 punch one straight up damage, no questions

[ivory bane]

Okie, i dont think its too bad, just remember that it becomes 2 damage if it ever has strength

Devil damage is also a bit more than just true damage

[stuck canopy]

i thought devil damage couldnt be fucked with?

[ivory bane]

It denies a soul and a corpse too

[ivory bane]

Cant be reduced

[stuck canopy]

aaaaaah

adding special note then

[stuck canopy]

pulverize baby, nothing but paste

[low river]

you've made a melee ushabti

[ivory bane]

Are you adamant on this denying a soul btw?

Just in case

[stuck canopy]

hmmmmmm

honestly

yes

i might be open to change if explained but for now yes

i want thralls to be scared of these guys

[ivory bane]

You can word it as
Cannot be increased by strength.

[stuck canopy]

i would but i wanna cut off any loopholes

like vulnerability on an enemy

[ivory bane]

Do note that it will deal devil damage on a graze and as written all other effects except damage type are lost

So ughhhh

[stuck canopy]

oooof

true

alrighty uve convinced me

[ivory bane]

On hit: Deal 1 Devil damage; push 1. This damage cannot be increased. On graze, damage type is physical instead.

I think this will make for a fun gimmick ability

[stuck canopy]

too wordy and confusing

ill settle for this

its practically devil damage without the soul killing

i am content enough with this i guess

i can add an upgrade to add devil damage as a thingie

or something along those lines

[ivory bane]

You could just make it an effect instead of an on hit

Then its just
Press button to deal 1 devil damage

[stuck canopy]

wait wait

[low river]

BY ANY MEANS

[ivory bane]

No more, no less

[stuck canopy]

IDEA

[ivory bane]

Sadly i have to wake in 6 hours

:<

So have a good one, folks

[low river]

YOU MADE AN USHABTI AND NOW YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT, BULLFRAWG

[stuck canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/hahahaha-gif-27342590

[low river]

and the ushabti clause dies

[stuck canopy]

watcha mean?

[ivory bane]

(6+) deal 1 Devil damage instead
or
(6+) damage type is Devil instead.

is closer to vanilla wording

[stuck canopy]

thoughts?

*Barghest

oh wait no i already have a powerfist upgrade

nevermind

complete...i think

[ivory bane]

If thats okay ill take another look at it tommorow
I think its possible to stick to the original idea without it being overwhelming

Also hunker down

you are considered
against this unit

[stuck canopy]

much more simpler for dumby brains like myself

thankie for the help so far @ivory bane

[stuck canopy]

I’ll leave it here for now, gotta focus on money commissions

[strong needle]

Minor thing but i noticed flame slugthrower is an attack but has no on hit thing

So i assume its supposed to be an effect strictly

[stuck canopy]

ye

u hit, u roll the effect die

easy peasy

[strong needle]

... so its an attack but the only effect you gain from hitting is the effect die?

[stuck canopy]

thats pretty much how most works on core

roll hit > success > roll effect dice

[strong needle]

But it has no “on hit” effects. Its just the effect

It’d make more sense to write it as

On hit: 1 fire damage. Effect: (4+) 2 fire damage, (6+) ignores armor

[stuck canopy]

because its less clutter

[stuck canopy]

and the problem with that

the way its read is it gains 3 damage

only meant to be 2

[low river]

less clutter for you, incomprehensible for most

[stuck canopy]

there ya go

[low river]

Now it makes sense

[stuck canopy]

just feels like extra steps but i dont mind

[strong needle]

It is yeah, but its for consistency’s sake

[regal fjord]

Weird homebrew idea I had for an industrial based faction

[stuck canopy]

might have already beat ya to it unless ur going more "workers unite" with pickaxes and weaponised mining equipment

[regal fjord]

The idea is they are the Industry, one of Steel and Sinew.

[stuck canopy]

hmmmm interesting

[regal fjord]

Some Necromancer actions. Don't know if they are reasonable.

Already disliking hidden sniper

[stuck canopy]

if ya want a hidden sniper reference i can give ya mine to mull around with

[stuck canopy]

wait these arent soul abilities?

[undone sorrel]

necromancers can have both extra acts and soul abilities

[stuck canopy]

oh im aware

i just wasnt sure if these were act upgrades or soul acts

Hidden sniper should definitly be a (2 soul)

also is the factory a tyrant?

or is it its own thing?

[ivory bane]

Its just that you including attack tag means that you MUST make a to hit roll

But it not having an on hit section means that ut doesnt care about hitting

[stuck canopy]

Fairo

[ivory bane]

Kay, you sure on this?

[stuck canopy]

Perfection

Cuz it allows for those combos where u can stack any tokens u might have put on him

And if worse comes to worse and they feel lackluster, then I can change in future

No biggie

Weirdly enough House Zeitlos has several combo builds as I’ve tested with my group

The main three have been

• Fortifying a singular position and retreating to set up post for a counter attack (rinse and repeat)
• Militarum style: thrall waves with covering sand-gas and attrition
• War Thunder: pile ur weak units in the ship and have them fire downwards until it crashes and burns, then hunker down in the wreckage for a last stand

Goregrinders of course have the easiest time breaking through the defence lines but Zeitlos just barely comes out on top, provided they get their trenches down early to slow em

Abhorrers seem to have an advantage over them, the miracle system and the late game scaling makes it hard for Zeitlos unless they cut em down early

Weirdly enough @ivory bane we put them up against wylderot for funzies

Had to keep your flies at bay with Duchess bombardment so my tyrant was just on fly-killing duty for the whole game. Meanwhile the trenchfoots broke through you but got skewered but the gnat knights

Airship got shot down but it didn’t matter cuz morserteams managed to get a lucky shot and obliterated the wild-caller

Legit became a 1v1 necrobattle

Wylderot came out on top since Zeitlos Necro’s abilities are reliant on mostly buffing troops

2hp wylderot was all that was left standing besides 1 trenchfoot and a gnatknight

All in all wasn’t bad

Needs some slight tweaking but should be relatively balanced once zeppelin has token art

[ivory bane]

Theres another wylderot rebalance incoming btw, going to make a bunch of abilities curses and probably get rid of strength on necro

The only unit with strength is probably going to be mothman

btw in retrospective going all into gurgled name with an upgrade is also a viable strategy

you can do some NASTY gnat knight combos

[stuck canopy]

Main reason they one is most of them have flight

So they ignore trenches

Darn winged bastards

[low river]

Trench warfare ain't shit

[ivory bane]

trench warfare fan vs just have wings enjoyer

[low river]

wings aren't even needed, some deadsouls just levitate for no visually apparent reason

[ivory bane]

deadsouls having 5+ saves is still just living in my head

[stuck canopy]

Atleast until Booby trap upgrade is chosen, then those winged bastards can’t do shit >:3

Too bad I didn’t choose booby trap

[ivory bane]

gonna start the homebrew arms race

[stuck canopy]

I didn’t take a Barghest in the wylderot skirmish cuz it was still being tweaked, wonder how it’d feel with em

[stuck canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/fuller-house-i-challenge-you-john-brotherton-juan-pablo-di-pace-gif-5186280

Hehehe

[stuck canopy]

To be fair, their thralls are garbaaaaaage

[low river]

and the streets of anzenmezzeron would be engulfed by a pointless war once more

[stuck canopy]

I just love the idea of Wlyderots tree hugging fly things vs industrious sand robots

Also @low river don’t u have a homebrew house?

[low river]

Dinosaurs

[ivory bane]

i do wonder if the music ive chosen for wylderot was too obscure for people

[low river]

oh right

alongside upgrades and attacks, i need to make a soundtrack for the mezogogues!

[stuck canopy]

That reminds me

[ivory bane]

kay, think this update actually makes necro more important

since a bunch of souls abilities actually have range

and rusted blades only apply to necros attack

[stuck canopy]

For u

[ivory bane]

Wylderot is also semi hard-countered by curseproof now

[low river]

That, but without the guy on top

[stuck canopy]

If u want ideas for a mechanic why not them fuck around with corpses to make themselves bulkier or such

[low river]

also, we technically don't have a tricera, but we do have a chimera with one for a head

[stuck canopy]

Steal peoples bones >;3

[low river]

SHIT

MISTYPE

[stuck canopy]

Last one I have in my collection

Could always fuck around with fossil tar

[low river]

Maybe one of the upgrades could let them make fossil tar adverse terrain

[stuck canopy]

Create black tar pits >:3

[stuck canopy]

As it should be >:3

[ivory bane]

rotting aura is less of a meme now

instead of making your necro kill itself and explode, it cant slay the necro, instead making them stay at 0 hp

if your necro is at 0 hp, every use of rotting aura will splash 2 curse damage

[stuck canopy]

Not bad against melee units

[low river]

ok, i'm just gonna erase the hydra unit from the horror slot and throw in like...idk...a stego or something

[stuck canopy]

Hydra is a dinosaur?

[low river]

it was meant to be a pile of bones that became another monster, but it just never felt right

[stuck canopy]

Ooooh

Like dis?

[ivory bane]

..should mothman get magical armor....

[low river]

kinda, but more

[stuck canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-gif-25249881

[ivory bane]

Nah, it shouldnt

[low river]

never really felt like it should be there

[ivory bane]

8 hp+ armor is too much

its gimmick is fine enough as is

[stuck canopy]

Mothman is a bitch of a necromancer to deal with

[ivory bane]

mothman is a tyrant

mournwalker is the necro

[stuck canopy]

My bad, words not connecting

Tyrant

[ivory bane]

mhm

its a tanky artillery piece

or it can be just a general support unit

or it can be a budget berserker

[stuck canopy]

Very flexible

Found it hard to gain any ground against him

But again I didn’t have Barghests so might be different to have some tanky boiz

Also if I still have some steam after Zeitlos

Samurai Zombies are the next faction

[ivory bane]

i am still pondering another faction concept

already explained their gimmick a few times

ermor inspired ghost-romans

all their big units have "fetters" deployed on board alongside them which they share hp with

the units in question are spectral and thus are very hard to damage and walk through walls, but cant get away far from fetters

[stuck canopy]

Seems cluttered

[ivory bane]

it is very cluttered

but i think its fun

Both to play as and against

Adds a lot of tactical elements to it

[stuck canopy]

Would thought the ghost Roman’s would be more formation focused

[ivory bane]

Yea but thats kinda boring

[stuck canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/rome-roman-legion-roma-soldier-legion-gif-13885914

[ivory bane]

they still are tho but indirectly

since they want to protect their fetters

whenever a ghost moves they may choose to move themselves or drag along a fetter instead

so they are very slow

[stuck canopy]

Bad thing is fetters occupy a space and in the end will basically have a unit blob

No way for enemies to sneak into the cracks

[ivory bane]

do note that you can walk through ghosts

and mathematically you cant really put fetters in a way that is completely inaccessible

[stuck canopy]

Just gotta beware the clutter

Wait wait

Wait I have idea

[ivory bane]

Their roster would look smh like

Shade - an easy to deal with thrall that has no fetters but deals curse on hit+weakens
Spectre - a scion with a melee and ranged attack that can deploy a shield in order to stop people from advancing
Poltergeist - freak, specializes in moving enemies and environment a lot
Revenant - a hunter that marks a target and pursues it specifically
Apparation - a horror that sucks out positive tokens to buff itself
Either that or apparation could be a teleporting tyrant that debuffs people a lot
Revenant could actually steal a soul of the marked target if it lands a final blow 🤔
That might fit a faction with extra soul consumption

[stuck canopy]

Why not have the units deploy banners on tiles that they can fight around

Their fetters being said banners

[ivory bane]

how would that work?

[stuck canopy]

Deadsouls build walls, think of it like that except perhaps they can do it manually and some can do it upon death

The more banners u make the stronger the units become

Destroy the banners to weaken the units back to their original power

[ivory bane]

I was orienting myself around wto ghosts

[stuck canopy]

Ye ye that’s the thing

[ivory bane]

Its not that fetters make them stronger, its without fetters they just dissipate

[stuck canopy]

Hmmmm, ur adamant of them cluttering the field with fetters ay?

[ivory bane]

I semi-lean on it being the best way to handle the concept

It allows to make ghosts properly hard to kill

[stuck canopy]

Mmmkay

[ivory bane]

Without them being a gimmick roundabout faction like deadsouls

[stuck canopy]

Got a design in mind?

[ivory bane]

Hmm?

[stuck canopy]

Cuz if not I recommend Roman deathmasks

[ivory bane]

Visually - yea

[ivory bane]

I would lean into masks and veils

I am not really set on the fetters being a thing tho

[stuck canopy]

If u can find a way to avoid the clutter, I think it’ll be a good idea

[ivory bane]

Could still into something along the lines of deathly fog that has shapes in it

WOuld fit with a roman aesthetic

[tawdry root]

I had a Flavor idea for a ghost faction but nothin mechanically concrete

[stuck canopy]

I still think banners are cool

Like ghost banners

Similar to elden ring

[ivory bane]

Oh, the necromancer in this concept was meant to be a very low hp unit that can take over fetters to respawn

[stuck canopy]

:v

I dunno bout that one

[ivory bane]

yeaaa i think this fetter concept is weird and everybody told me that

But i like sharing it since i didnt actually sit down to write anything yet xd

[stuck canopy]

It’s not that it’s weird it just feels like the way you’ve pictured it, feels like a WoW raid

[tawdry root]

GRAVEDIRGE

Every final full moon of the cycle, many gather in raucous celebration, music, and battle so that their patron, the Last Breath, may hear them from beyond the Veil. The loudest chosen are stretched thin across the border between life and void, bodies turned ethereal as they are gifted the power to manipulate souls with no forms. Gravedirge necromancers are ravers, rockers, and musicians joined by hosts of specters and wraiths who gladly rehearse their rhythmic brand of battle on everything and everybody, always in preparation for their final performance.

Soundtrack:
Danny Baranowsky - Portabellohead
CRX - Broken Bones
Chris Christodoulu - Reaped By Death

[stuck canopy]

So bard zombies

I like

[tawdry root]

bard Ghosts yeah

I want to make this faction purely to have Thralls named Deadbeats

[stuck canopy]

I still need to think up a gimmick that isn’t used for weaboo faction

[ivory bane]

its very finicky

[stuck canopy]

Hehehe the musicians who fell off

[ivory bane]

especially when compared to wylderot whose whole deal is just

damage self

[stuck canopy]

Wait

One sec

[regal fjord]

This, The Factory is a special piece that sits still, there might be a Soul ability I have cooking that will move it around.

[stuck canopy]

Might be adding to the already tree-centric factions in homebrew, but what about weaboo that have Sakura trees growing inside them

[low river]

big fan

[ivory bane]

that sounds very cool

pink is such a nice color to work with tbh, scortifiore slays so much

[stuck canopy]

Here

[stuck canopy]

Aren’t they more faded red?

I’m digressing

I was thinking they are a faction that gets stronger the further into the rounds they get

Like their tree body is quickly over growing

But they get slower

[ivory bane]

they are rosepink

[stuck canopy]

Ooooooh they are pink :3

[tawdry root]

I'd be careful to not step on Abhorror's deal

But sounds neat

[ivory bane]

i think its fine to have multiple faction explore the same design concept in different ways

especially if they are thematically related

abhos are also weebs, for example

[stuck canopy]

Nah nah, nothing like that, more of the longer it gets into the rounds the slower they get but also the stronger they get till they turn into Sakura trees :3

At the start they are fast but don’t do any damage, then the growth begins

[tawdry root]

Well yeah but Abhorror's whole shtick is that they get stronger with time

[low river]

So basically the opposite of the mezogogue gimmick

[stuck canopy]

That’s Deadsouls, Abhorrers is more odds and evens

[tawdry root]

Stance does a couple things

[stuck canopy]

Ye not talking bout stances

[ivory bane]

its both

half of abhorrers units stance on odds and on evens

half stance as the game goes on

inquisitor and zealot grow as the game goes on

[stuck canopy]

It’s wild how much scaling they have

[ivory bane]

antipriest and penitent alternate between odds and evens

[stuck canopy]

Could always make weaboo house charge-up hitters

Their gimmick can a sort of Path system where doing one paths actions empowers the other

Making u constantly switching tactics

Like one unit example could be for each round this unit has not attacked, their Unsheathed Strike could do extra damage

And vice versa

Rewards pacifism until they see red and go ham

https://tenor.com/view/sheathing-the-sword-puff-meow-chef-that-little-puff-slicing-an-apple-gif-14446880999248387316

Aaaah I’m getting distracted, I haven’t even completed Zeitlos completely yet

[low river]

such is the homebrewers curse

[stuck canopy]

I’m just gonna call it the the “Code” mechanic and leave it to the side for now

Also I saw mention of a Lovecraft house

Was it ever completed?

[ivory bane]

no idea :<

[stuck canopy]

Maaaaan, whoever had that idea

Was on the pulse

[ivory bane]

Oh, btw, if thats okay, if you could add your homebrew games to the game tracker, it would be nice

[stuck canopy]

Game tracker?

[ivory bane]

mhm

it has a separate page for homebrew

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BxEBm6RnXR06WYUrrQGrG75jplqrv2x3PabcOfx-Ue4/edit?usp=sharing

Actually, multiple

[stuck canopy]

I dunno, I don’t really like keeping track of games I play for fun

Makes it feel like homework

[ivory bane]

Thats fine! I just like to know the numbers for my stuff personally

[stuck canopy]

I can try and do it for homebrew from now onwards but no promises

[ivory bane]

So
Coming back to ghost romans concept and "fog"

I think making them use something similar to a formation concept is good, but i dont think its a good idea to just give them formation rule

A concept: Whenever a unit activates, it and all adjacent allied unit may step 1 in the same direction.

Hmm
Maybe this could a separate rule

So theyd have smh along the lines of

Fog tokens and Discipline tokens

DIscipline tokens can be spent on maneuvers together

Fog tokens can be spent on protection (?)

[stuck canopy]

Sooooo goregrinders roar ability?

[stuck canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/gtfo-breaking-bad-stay-out-gif-13573101

Hehehehehe

I kid I kid

The manoeuvre ability I like

Dunno bout the pseudo roar ability

Could make a list of maneouvers all units can do and their prices

[ivory bane]

I think it could be fine if they are not really that mobile

[ivory bane]

thats the idea, yea

[stuck canopy]

They’d have to be small tho

[ivory bane]

i think like 3 would suffice

[stuck canopy]

I reckon 4 is a good number

[ivory bane]

Id make them all movement focused

Maybe like

self+adjacent step 1 in the same direction
pull all allies in range 1
step 3 towards nearest ally

[stuck canopy]

Something like spend 3 manoeuvre tokens to have this unit and all adjacent units enter a Phalanx until their next turn

Phalanx would basically give all of em +1DF

Jazz like that

[ivory bane]

I think its better to keep dicipline as a reposition tool

and have all their native move be like 2-3

[stuck canopy]

Mmkay

Wait

So ur building it around extra movement?

[ivory bane]

Thats the idea

[stuck canopy]

For some reason the idea of Roman biker gang entered my head XD

Speed Romans

Anyway, let me know if u wanna bounce ideas of my 5head

[ivory bane]

Fog could be smh like delayed damage
Once a a units hp is equal to the amount of fog tokens, it is consumed - slay it without leaving a corpse.

With most of their stuff not dealing direct damage, instead just stacking up fog

[ivory bane]

do you think discipline should consume its own tokens or should it consume fog tokens from allies?

[stuck canopy]

I don’t even know what the fog is but discipline should be ur manoeuvre currency ye

[ivory bane]

hmmm

I think it will be better for mechanical purposes to just have a single token that behaves differently

[stuck canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

I recommend against

Reason 1: it’s a tad bullshit because it means all corpse will be destroyed with every kill
Reason 2: igorri is fucked

[ivory bane]

Oh yeah the corpse bit

hmmm

[stuck canopy]

Igorri already has a hard enough time

Now u taking away their lunchables :3

[ivory bane]

yea ill just leave the decorpse part

[stuck canopy]

Wait wait

U want delayed damage right?

Why not do Fog brands

Like attacking deals brands instead of damage and when u wanna activate the brands, u can use an ability that attacks and activates them all at once.

1 damage per brand stacked

Makes it easier to bust through armour and such

[ivory bane]

Hmmm

Current scheme is

Fog kills the unit if its HP becomes equal to the amount of fog on it
Some abilities are Spectral and gain special effects against units in fog

[stuck canopy]

Problem with the fog killing at a certain amount with no outside activation kinda means it bypasses any hope to reduce it

[ivory bane]

hmmm

So

[stuck canopy]

If it’s stacked damage happening all at once, that makes more sense

[ivory bane]

Fog doesnt kill

Should spectral be the tag that means like
"consume all fog to deal damage to target" or?

[stuck canopy]

I think this fog needs to be explained further

Apparently u can consume fog, but now u can be in fog

Tis all confusing

[ivory bane]

i am giving a short version of the rules while i am writing the full one

[stuck canopy]

Just be careful the fog doesn’t become similar to sand-gas, otherwise it’ll have conflicting gimmicks >3>

[tawdry root]

Nahh

[stuck canopy]

I mean that in the most respectful way

[tawdry root]

to be completely honest: while outright stealing mechanics from other people is bad form, in a homebrew space trying to avoid making what somebody already did is how you end up making nothing

[stuck canopy]

Hmmm u might need to make the token art togglable to have blue versions so u can tell who’s shrouded and who’s not

[ivory bane]

its a token

[tawdry root]

Your only frame of reference should be official content

[stuck canopy]

What does shrouded do?

[ivory bane]

Nothing

Its just a condition for special effects

[stuck canopy]

Hmmmmm why not fuse fog and discipline

Like they are using they are moving with the fog

[ivory bane]

discipline is just a unit trait

that allows you to use fog tokens for maneueres

got i hate that word lmao

[stuck canopy]

Hehehe, foiled by the French

[ivory bane]

its so much easier in my language too
manewr

[stuck canopy]

Ok I think I get it

[ivory bane]

name pending btw

caligo is just a cool word

[stuck canopy]

Probably give death touch an alternate activation choice

[ivory bane]

hm?

[stuck canopy]

So if u wanna cash in the fog on the target, u can

Deathtouch: Melee, Curse
Effect: Inflict 1 fog on adjacent target OR Activation: Expend all fog on target.

[ivory bane]

this will be too strong on a thrall

[stuck canopy]

How so?

I’d assumed fog tokens are negative tokens on enemies right?

Some factions would be able to shut it down so I assumed u would want all ur units to be able to activate the collected tokens before some painghoul decides to delete ur precious hard work

[ivory bane]

I prefer to have it on the weaker side for now, i can always buff it again

[stuck canopy]

That is a fair point

[ivory bane]

average caligo and wylderot interaction

https://youtu.be/CBAVw6LuGxI?si=Jus-KWvr9NIj3TqW

[undone sorrel]

ooh, I didn't realise there was a tab for homebrew matchups

alright, after the actual playtest I've been cleaning up a couple things on the Vindicators
the most significant ones are the wording on tokens, and the Necromancer's stuff. side note, but does anything on the Boss looks like it needs to be toned down a lil?

[viscid marsh]

base two traits on a necro is

interesting

[undone sorrel]

it'ssss mainly a fusion of the warlord and exorcist, since Loyalty is a trait that very specifically triggers off a unit dying
open to making domineer an optional trait though

[ivory bane]

i think domineer is too hyper specific to be of significant impact

most people dont attack if they dont have any way to deal damage with it

it specifies an attack too, but there arent that many scenarios in which a person would deal 1 damage with an attack and then still decided to go through with it

it protects this unit against like

scum

since they have a melee attack which deal phys damage but has an additional effect

[low river]

has anyone made undead cowboys yet?

[sharp sand]

Real quick, im making a voodoo faction and have just started, but i am unsure of what to call their playstyle, its based around linking units, and self damage, when things are linked they both get the same result basically, as to what happened to the other, if one takes 2 damage so does the other, ect. any ideas?

[ivory bane]

yep

[low river]

ok

[low river]

Sacrifice

Sacrifice

Lack of dice

GIVE ME MICE

[sharp sand]

😨

[ivory bane]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LeoSbEUtXzCpxpoK3nMJB0KwHenMvA-lWxb9_04PROA/edit

[sharp sand]

SCARY

[ivory bane]

dont think they were finished tho

[low river]

i stole it from a Failboat video

[simple plaza]

Been steadily building and testing mechanics, and workshoping stuff for the bestiary.
Some basic concepts I have so far for the groupings:

• Shambling dead (weak, simple, lots of thralls)
• Flesh Bandits (position locking and token stealing)
• Roving Demons ( very nasty, no core mechanics yet, Archfiend (necromancer equivalent) can steal SOUL from players but doesn't produce it's own)
• Crusading Heros (teamwork and randomized traits) (also possible gonna make them a full playable "house" for the regular game)
• Nercophage (upgrade when they kill a unit, but give SOUL when slain)
  Most of these are meant to not function like the houses exactly but so much as present challenge is for them.
  Like the Archfiend's ability to reduce a player's Soul pool to add to its own.
  In a normal game that would be busted as hell, but roving demons aren't meant to be used by players.

There will be more groupings~

many many more

[ivory bane]

Alright, heres the first draft
I really need somebody to skim through and share thoughts, since a friend i could normally pester with that stuff isnt available
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nGRkqGhsTQ4obMbQO-QyDTz0TSoLOEBQ/view?usp=drive_link

[undone sorrel]

sorry, I had to step away for a lil bit, but is that a positive or a negative in this instance?

[ivory bane]

i think it wouldnt fit as an optional trait

its fine as is

[undone sorrel]

oh, also reading through Caligo; maybe the Mist Step on the Thrall could be anywhere within range 3, rather than 4. Its movement is 3 at base, and "remove from battlefield then place anywhere in range" already gives you more effective movement considering it's normally limited to orthogonal directions

[ivory bane]

its intended to be 4, since 3 is actually very slow, especially for a thrall

[undone sorrel]

3 move isn't slow for a Thrall, it's a baseline for 3/5 of them. the only exceptions are the Warheads with 4, and the Gunwight with 2.

[ivory bane]

🤔

Should i nerf their move to 2 then...

people are suggesting i give them superarmor

[undone sorrel]

if your intention is for them to be slow for thralls, then ye. they'd be the same speed as Gunwights

[proven orchid]

(gunwight)

[undone sorrel]

hum. superarmour...
if you want them to stay at 1 hp, then probably I guess. same as the proposed Scum rework. if there's only one armour type then they're sorta swingy on how much damage they take

DAMN IT

[pulsar rock]

Defensive formation should probably only grant cover to allies adjacent.

[ivory bane]

I disagree? Carcass shieldwall already gives cover to self and all adjacent allies, while this ability grants cover while also applying normal cover rules to allies - ie, they need to actually hide behind the guy, etc

[pulsar rock]

Ah I see

How I parsed that language was just that all allies on the field had cover as a result of the ability.

If its just like Siege Shield thats not too much at all 👍

[ivory bane]

its actually worse than shieldwall, once again

shielwall grants omnidirectional cover if you are near

this ability only grants cover if you actually apply for usual rules of cover

[pulsar rock]

Right I get that now, I just misinterpreted the wording of the ability when I read it initially

[ivory bane]

the difference is that you can move after that, which means this unit can participate in manuevers, for example

[pulsar rock]

Siege Shield is the CGIS Weapon passive, I am now assuming it works kinda like that, not Shieldwall?

[ivory bane]

Correct

I think ill switch wording to that

[pulsar rock]

👍

[pulsar rock]

Reading over everything for more detailed initial thoughts that might be totally wrong, but I hope they are useful!

• Fog is cool! I like how it's a marker for Shrouded, having a binary condition like that is good space.

• When reading page 1 I don't know what "Consumed by the mist" means in the Discipline description. Finishing the doc still unsure what that means, maybe a reference to Spectral?

• Thrall: Mist Step starting seems somewhat redundant mechanically with Discipline units starting with Fog. I guess the reason for this is to have every unit start with fog but disallow Thralls from doing maneuvers? If so slightly increases learning complexity to remember that they are the only unit that can't use the table but not a huge deal. I like the Thralls ACT abilities a lot!

• Scion:: With the Defensive Formation confusion cleared up this seems like a well balanced unit.

• Freak: Seems strong but reasonable. Those Who Are About To Die is definitely scary but I do like that it rewards trying to fight this faction by breaking up their formation. If it's too good you could always nerf it by getting rid of the Curseproof later.

• Hunter: Is Materialize supposed to buff Condemnation? It says Deathslinger but that isn't an ability on this unit. Haunted is really interesting actually I think that's super cool.

• Horror: Stalk is a sweet ability! Extinguish seems like it will often deal 3 damage(str) + spectral + token theft + fog. That seems like way too much so that ACT ability appears OP. Especially with a great statline of 4/4/5.

• Necro: I think this is in a good place!

• Bonus Traits: Love Phylactery thematically. These all seem interesting so good stuff here.

• **ACT Upgrades: ** Does Spectral on Ghastly Dash mean the necro hurts itself?

• SOUL Upgrades: Summary Execution amuses me a lot. Join The Dead Ones seems like the strongest but not sure!

Ah just realized the Horror also doesn't have Discipline.

[ivory bane]

Fog is cool!

thanks!

Consumed by mist

oops, left over from an even earlier draft. already fixed that

Thrall

Thralls and horror dont have discipline

Freak

Curseproof can move to an upgrade

Hunter

yep, deathslinger was the first name for condemnation

Horror

Any ideas how to change that up? Maybe, move some parts to upgrades

Ghastly Dash

consumes spectral on units it passes through. spectral explicitly affects foes

i changed up Spectral to "Ruin" in the current version because it makes wording slightly easier

[pulsar rock]

Ah ok cool 👍

[ivory bane]

I think horror and thrall could actually get discipline as an upgrade 🤔

[pulsar rock]

That could make sense

[ivory bane]

Horror doesnt have it because it meant to be a solitary unit of sorts

[pulsar rock]

What can the horror currently use Fog tokens for without Discipline

The Thrall can step

[ivory bane]

Now that I think about it, for nothing lmao

Maybe extinguish could deal damage based on the amount of fog on self? Not ignoring armor tho

probably too strong

[pulsar rock]

An option could be to make Extinguish cost a Fog to use and not generate it

So you have to Stalk beforehand

[ivory bane]

Accensi

[pulsar rock]

sick art

[pulsar rock]

or use necro stuff ofc

[ivory bane]

hm?

[pulsar rock]

A lot better!

[ivory bane]

It is still a lot of damage but ill need to playtest it first tbh

[pulsar rock]

👍

[ivory bane]

Still need to figure out their lore

Original draft was them being constructs of the Devil of Authority, neverpeople, but i think this gives too many fascist vibes and would like to not have that with something as fasch-coded as ROMANS lmao

Something along the lines of the Indomitable Human Spirit™ could fit instead tho

Maybe they are souls devoured by Devils, that came back from the other side despite not existing?
How to tie it into their aesthetic tho...

Def thinking power metal for their ost, rhapsody and blind guardian

[stuck canopy]

Not gonna like intimidate seems very weak

[stuck canopy]

Could be just me but stalk seems a tad broken

It’s basically a pseudo version of bound devils thing

Also the house reminds me of this

https://youtu.be/ZVtaPzuT_zA?si=X4rVoPCCs5mcjnyO

[ivory bane]

They are a bit less fleshy

[ivory bane]

I dont think its that strong tbh

Like its a movement and defense tool, sure, but it also denies them their passive

Actually it doesnt nvm

I misread myself

I am going to sleep

[undone sorrel]

really? I think it's rather good
it completely denies an enemy from moving away from you, a necromancer/faction with full melee focus and access to strength/vulnerable, at all.
melee foes might not mind as much, but they have to end their turn adjacent to you and thus gain vulnerable, which leaves them open to more damage

[stuck canopy]

Hmmm I might have spoken out of turn as I have not used the vindicators

[stuck canopy]

Ok

I’ve settled on 2 idea concepts for the Weeb faction

House Kiri (Overgrowth): undead that have bloody Sakura tree’s and sprouts growing out of them that have a mechanic called Overgrowth, as each round passes, they gain overgrowth tokens that they can use to unlock extra features in their attacks (flavour wise they are basically trimming their trees). And if they die OR they have the maximum amount of overgrowth they become corpse trees. Attacking said trees can also be harvested for overgrowth tokens. This version is built around farming overgrowth but also making sure it doesn’t get the better of you; this means they will be pinch hitters and decisive attackers that must bide their time until the battlefield becomes theirs at a moments notice

House Kiri (Karma) :same idea as the the first house but instead of overgrowth tokens it uses “Karma” which focuses on lethal and non lethal ACTS. Doing non lethal acts will allow you to use your non-attacks better with new effects but makes ur lethal attacks weaker. Doing lethal acts does it’s own similar effects, but what you really want is Balanced karma (no bad or good karma) which gives much better effects, making balancing your karma the main goal in this variant of House Kiri. Of course you don’t need to make balanced, instead u could go all in on either side despite the effects. (Going all good karma means u won’t deal much damage but be excellent supporters and mitigators, while bad karma will eventually sacrifice health for beeg numbah damage).

Could I get some thoughts on what interests you guys the most

[strong needle]

1 feels much easier to balance around personally, and I like the idea of the potential risk vs reward gameplay. Also trees are cool

This does bring up questions though

Do corpse trees also count as corpses or are they separate entirely, and if so do house kiri units just never drop corpses at all?

Do corpse trees have any set amount of hp or damage they can take/overgrowth that can be harvested from them? Do they also provide any other terrain advantages or disadvantages?

Additionally maybe attacking them might be a lot on the action economy. You could have it be an automatic thing that happens at the start of a unit’s turn if they’re adjacent to one or w/e.

[stuck canopy]

1, ye they'd count as corpses, hence the term corpse trees. so igorri and other corpse related factions will have no trouble.

2, corpse trees are basically flavoured walls beyond their own mechanics, the hunter unit would be allowed to be on top of the tree but thats too early to say for now.

3, attacking them is just one way of gaining tokens from overgrowth, some units benefit from just being around it

Thinking the setup would be

Thralls: Ashigaru - Units that have splash attack by committing seppuku.
Scion: Samurai - tanky tank tank
Horror: Hermit/Ronin - The weebiest Weeb around, utilising sheathing strikes
Hunter: Shinobi - Unit based on assassination on low health targets, also can hide in corpse trees.
Tyrant: Oni - Spikey bat wielding demon gorl that focuses on giving peeps brain damage en masse
Necromancer: Cursed Heir - she is the Lorax, and she speaks for the trees

Also thinking if certain units kill, the slain enemies also get turned to corpse trees

Lore is basically The Cursed heir literally converts those killed by them into their ranks as a wandering clan

[ivory bane]

(really suggest finishing the zeitlos first)

[stuck canopy]

Oh I already have

[ivory bane]

mostly because i know the temptation but it often ends up in 2 unfinished works

ooh

okie

[stuck canopy]

Finishing touches on zepplin is all that’s left

[ivory bane]

The disgraced and forgotten, brought back not by the devious scheme of a necromancer, but by sheer will for redemption after dishonour. 6th Iron Legion was once a mercenary company financed by the Devil of Chains – an army for hire, exiled to the City of the Dead for their past failures. Yet, with the coming of CARCASS their services became unneeded. Even the Devil turned away from their former subjects, expecting them to dissipate. Yet, they found a substitute to their former power in the ghostly Fog that swallowed sections of the city`s underbelly. Is the Fog a devil in its own, or is it something far more sinister? No one has an answer.
Now known as Caligo, the unbroken open their ranks to any soul lost to time, any being dead on a path of redemption.

[stuck canopy]

Is the necromancer gonna be a very Leonidas-esque personality? (I’m aware he’s spartan, just focusing on the vibe)

Unyielding and stubborn >:3

[stuck canopy]

Wraithsteel Gladius sounds more Roman >:3

[ivory bane]

True

Doesnt roll of a tongue as well tho

[stuck canopy]

If ur ever looking for Roman names for acts and such, I’m ur man

Love the Romans

https://tenor.com/view/gladiator-finance-gif-25530028

[ivory bane]

I need to playtest them tbh

without upgrades but still

[stuck canopy]

Sprinkle some Latin on dat shit >;3

[ivory bane]

it already has latin xd

every single unit name is in latin

i just changed up some of the endings to be gender neutral or feminine becaue uhhhh uhhh uhhh

[stuck canopy]

Romans never liked females in their military but this is magnagothica, and the lore says that caligo would take all types so don’t worry about it

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-reality-can-be-whatever-i-want-infinity-gantlet-avengers-end-game-gif-13852128

[ivory bane]

centurii posting

[stuck canopy]

Shame it loses its brotherhood vibe

[stuck canopy]

Yeeeeeees

Hey you know how Caesar got shanked by his council

Be a good idea for a soul ability

4 soul: force an enemy unit within range to attack a friendly unit

[ivory bane]

4 soul ability is sadly already there and pretty fun

Might be too strong tho

"Join the Dead Ones"
pull 2 all enemies in range to your necro and apply 2 fog to all of them, then splash self ruin

Ruin consumes the fog to deal curse damage ignoring armor

[stuck canopy]

Oooof

I think there should be a maximum amount of fog u can apply to a unit in that case

[ivory bane]

Might be too much but i dont feel like its a 6 soul+6 soul is also fun

[stuck canopy]

U can have multiple 4 souls

[ivory bane]

"you know how our gimmick is that we are slow?"

"not anymore"

"also we walk through walls+L+ratio"

[stuck canopy]

:v

For the rest of the game?

[ivory bane]

I dont remember, currently on my phone xd

[stuck canopy]

Rip Deadsouls if so

[ivory bane]

To be fair all six souls except for abhorrers and igorri is a wincon

Igorri is meant to be a wincon it just sucks

[stuck canopy]

And Abhorrers are just better than most factions

Ngl

[ivory bane]

Disagree but they are pretty reliable

We played such a funny 2v2 a few days ago

Igorri+Deadsouls vs Abhorrers+Goregrinders

Round 3

[stuck canopy]

Igorri Deadsouls won I’m guessing

[ivory bane]

All goregrinders are dead except for necro

[stuck canopy]

They compliment each others abilities well

[ivory bane]

Half the enemy team is dead

Not a single abhorrer died

They managed to isolate a single penitent without vit and banshee used strength to kill him

...

Miracle

5

Nope

Still alive

Deadsouls just used an action AND strength to just end up give me 1 soul

[ivory bane]

They surrendered since all of my units were still alive and i was getting my entire army upgraded round 4

Taste the Lash x3
Boiling Censer x1
Corpse Violet x1

My necro was at 8 hp and goregrinder was at 10

They could get a draw if they just started running away without fighting but thats kinda boring

[stuck canopy]

weird

igorri and deadsouls have such good synergy

they each make up for eachothers weaknesses

[ivory bane]

Goregrinders and abhorrers do so too

Thats why we cooked after the game and thought up of Abgrinders

Abhorrers buuut you get a Berserker

Good luck killing a vitality berserker

[stuck canopy]

lining the zeppelin to simplify it but i was thinking whether there should be a figure head or ornament on the front of it

https://tenor.com/view/armin-season4-final-season-attack-on-titan-season4part2-blimb-gif-24530214

[ivory bane]

I think it works for the faction to have it be a flat plate

[stuck canopy]

hmmm then ill add some nonsense detailing and give it a nice once over

[ivory bane]

If anyone wants to playtest Caligo at spite any time in the nearest 10 hours, hit me up

[stuck canopy]

Too busy being a lazy potato

Apologies

[stuck canopy]

@ivory bane wait until someone makes a spartan faction and puts them up against ur Romans

[ivory bane]

Outlines, yay or nay?

[glass pasture]

nay imo

[distant carbon]

I think left yes right no

[glass pasture]

i mean if these r goin on a white bg no, theres no point

if theyre goin on a dark one, then yea id put a white outline but only on the purely black spots

[ivory bane]

Its going on both

It didnt look that good if i dont accentuate the whole cloak on the evocata

[glass pasture]

ic ic

[stuck canopy]

Are u ok if I critique one thing?

[tawdry root]

I'd say white outlines

[ivory bane]

go for it

[tawdry root]

it's a good stylistic choice to make sure units stay visible

[stuck canopy]

The helmet on the ascensca (can’t remember the name) feels more Greek than anything else

[ivory bane]

thats intended

[stuck canopy]

Betrays the Roman vibe a bit

Oooh

[ivory bane]

evocata also has a greek cavalry sword

while wearing a renaissance style cuirass

[stuck canopy]

I thought the evocatus were just Roman soldiers that served their tours/ honourably discharged

[ivory bane]

served a tour and came back irc

because they did enjoy special privelege in the army which would only make sense if they were part of it

[stuck canopy]

But why the Greek addition?

[ivory bane]

maleghast tries to avoid pinning down a house to a specific nation or tradition, as the city itself exists outside of time and is setting ambigous

abhorrers def are meant to reference spanish inquisition stuff but they dont even use crosses, instead having their own symbol most of the time

[stuck canopy]

So ur making a hodgepodge?

[ivory bane]

yea they are a mix of different cultures with a general legion vibe

i think intermixing different cultures seamlessly also helps to convey the forgotten and outside of time vibes

[stuck canopy]

Ok I get it, might find it hard to have a house identity but I’m pretty sure the mist theme will smooth that out

[ivory bane]

I think its pretty strong already, since you for example didnt notice the wrong sword and armor xd

They kinda fit together

accensi dont get a deathmask because they are kinda meant to be even more lost than others, if that makes sense

either without or yet to discover their identity

a roman helmet wouldnt fit, so i went with weird metal bits that form outline of a corinthian visor but not really

wouldnt fit

because it would look too specific for the concept

they are kinda just meant to be helmetless, with mask bits to represent a forming idea of a face

[stuck canopy]

I did but it’s passable due to maleghasts style but as long as ur happy with it, than there’s no need to listen to a frog in a funny hat

[ivory bane]

Nah i just expected more technical critique xd

[regal fjord]

Maybe using a more average tone for the outline of the Accensi? Might disguise the outline while still having that definition.

[ivory bane]

maleghast just already uses white outlines so i thought to go for it specifically

deadsouls especially are essentially negative space given form by the outline

[regal fjord]

Fair.

[ivory bane]

Maskless or masked?

[glass pasture]

i vibe w/ masked

[ivory bane]

I can just add both to the tts but i need to choose the default

[tawdry root]

Masked for sure

more gender

[simple plaza]

I agree, mask has a stronger presence

[ivory bane]

I went with mask as default, but you can switch to maskless version on tts if you want to

if anyone wants to playtest this stuff at spite in the nearest 3 hours, hit me up

[stuck canopy]

Why not have a blue mist effect coming from em, like they lost their head in battle

[distant carbon]

I like the idea of one of them maskless to show what's the rest are hiding, but maybe it should be the thrall? Too abundant to bother making a mask for.

[stuck canopy]

Smart idea

Like they haven’t proven themselves enough to get a mask yet as a rite of passage

[ivory bane]

Its literally a thrall

[ivory bane]

Blue mist doesnt look that good

[stuck canopy]

darn

worth a try

[distant carbon]

I vote no mask then.

[stuck canopy]

i vote adding some eyes peeking throw the no darkness

maybe with monster teeth

[ivory bane]

Doesnt work well, that was the very first version

[ivory bane]

Decided to give back their legs

[stuck canopy]

might be too much detail on the far right one

[ivory bane]

I think it works fine

I do agree, just dont plan on fixing it xd

[ivory bane]

Freak and necromancer left

[distant carbon]

Is this a bad time I basically only identify units based on their silhouette.

[ivory bane]

What are you referring to?

[distant carbon]

When the pieces are so small on the board, fine details become minute textures so I really only look at the silhouette. I think the silhouettes are fine here but maybe a little samey

[ivory bane]

I built my perception around tts, but sameiness is part of the aesthetic
Unuts with discipline are meant to look uniform

Its going to be offset a bit in tts, since scions i make bigger than they are, and hunter vs thrall are pretty different

[ivory bane]

Frumentaria (this one) is meant to be played in separation from the blob, both lacking discipline and specializing in hiding out of sight, but i think her sillhouette is pretty distinct

[ivory bane]

i think it looks fine

[distant carbon]

nice

[ivory bane]

still whether or not i should change unit names to something more recognizable

accensi def gets very easily forgotten so i am thinking of bladeshade, footshade, swordshade, etc

for the thrall, that is

once again, if anyone wants to help me around with playtest at spite, ill be available for the next 5-6 hours

[stuck canopy]

Gonna be blunt

They all look like the same unit with different armour

Lil lacking in unique vibes, poses and silhouette like Grammy mentioned

Very hard to distinguish

But again I’m one person, and could be very wrong

Just food for thought

[ivory bane]

thats semi intended but i also dont think its a major issue

But poses are also a weakside of mine

[low river]

THEY ARE MADE OF SMOKE. it's kinda hard to differentiate smoke.

[ivory bane]

Nah i think its true that more couldve been done, it just doesnt fit the vibe as much

Their concept is "ghost legion", if it was smh else but smoke people, i think it would be easier to go around

I think horror (miss booba) and thrall look distinct enough, but once again, with hunter and scion its semi intended

[low river]

I think the legionare one could have a more distinct mask

[ivory bane]

Freak is going to have an animal hide and a banner so theyd be pretty different. Currently out of ideas for a necro tho

[low river]

Have you ever played fallout new vegas

[ivory bane]

I think its cool as is

[ivory bane]

I hate the legion in nw lmao

[low river]

and yet they're perfect inspiration

[ivory bane]

I guess i could give the necro a lanius type mask

[low river]

that was my exact thought

[ivory bane]

I want a more ambigously gendered necro tho, but i guess as the default it would work

I really like how the gastraphetus turned out tho

Yknow the thing that the hunter has

Protocrossbow

Ironically enough its also a greek weapon

[low river]

The romans took a lot of stuff, so taking weapons seems alright. besides, not a lot will notice.

[ivory bane]

Oh i already explained how they are a mix of cultures and why

Evocata (scion) uses a greek cavalry sword and a renaissance style cuirass

Miss frumentaria is meant to be an infiltrator-assassin so she kinda uses generic fantasy stuff

[undone sorrel]

mm, if sameiness in designs is intended, then i think posing is definitely important to making them distinct as units
I tried to do that with the Vindicators (with two exceptions), though I probably could have emphasised them more

[ivory bane]

I think its fine, really

I kinda wanted them to look uniform, like they could stand together in a formation

[undone sorrel]

ah. sorry if I imposed too much, then

[stuck canopy]

hey @ivory bane where do i put zeitlos again?

[stuck canopy]

The Armada of House Zeitlos

(personally i wanna redesign the Duchess but it'll do for now)

[stuck canopy]

all clean for now

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15K5ofk3t9OrEZux7_WRQEMu5hP7_BefwtjvETgShNzc/edit?usp=sharing

[simple plaza]

Can't wait to test them out with my friends

[rain musk]

And I'll probably be going up against Frawg himself one of these days, as I'm one of his Tabletop Sim buds and did clarifications/formatting on the doc just posted.

Just joined the server myself and B-lined it for the MG threads here, pleasure to meet ya all! /

[stuck canopy]

@ivory bane here’s the guy u can get Wylderot critique on

[rain musk]

Heh. Could probably play the current update of them against Zeitlos. Haven't since my first try of Wylderot, which was the run that brought attention to nerfing Corpseflies' on-hit-lessness.

Was fun 'blowdarting' flies at people near round-ends while it lasted.

[simple plaza]

Howdy!!!
Welcome to the community~

If you're ever looking for a match I'm rarely busy in the evenings and always happy to play.
(⁠ ⁠ꈍ⁠ᴗ⁠ꈍ⁠)

[rain musk]

Sure, and thanks! Haven't done any 1v1ing honestly. Me and Frawg are usually brawling in free-for-alls with one or two others, pfft.

[simple plaza]

Personally I'm pretty new to the game, but I've been playing pretty regularly with my IRL friends recently.

I've not done anything larger than 1v1 yet, but a big all out brawl sounds fun~

[rain musk]

I usually gotta split off my attention between two fronts and keep to little half-and-half squads or learn to carefully harass with one or two units. 1v1s would be some more valuable experience for me.

But, back on the topic of the thread, working on Frawg's not!Thousand Kriegsmen kind of has me think of my own faction potentially.

[simple plaza]

Oh?

[rain musk]

Like I said, I'm just new to the server, so I was drip-feedin' info from Frawg without knowing how thing were going in here. One of my ideas strays a touch too close to Eule making their misty Romans; I'm thinking of green-fiery Greek-and-potentially-Roman influences with ashes and their own use of Zeitlos' "Transport" trait rules, hah.

[simple plaza]

I mean, it's homebrew.

There no reason we can take multiple swings at an theme or mechanic.

Like, probably ask them how they feel about it first but otherwise I don't see why you couldn't as long as you're still doing your own thing.

I'm sure my Magnagothica Bestiary will probably touch on something similar to one or two of the homebrew houses out there

[rain musk]

That's very true. I'd very much like to avoid stepping on still-connected toes.

[simple plaza]

(partly because I haven't actually looked at all of them)

[rain musk]

Like a non-humanoid bestiary I assume, or classifying ghouls, ghosts and other apparitions?

[simple plaza]

Oh no, I'm making a TTRPG to go alongside the game. I'll spare you and everyone else the details until I have something ready for beta testing.

[rain musk]

Gotcha! Scortifiore I know has their Tarasque, which is a skeletal quadruped and a moving outpost.

[simple plaza]

Is that another homebrew house?

[rain musk]

Yeah, going off what exists on the Tabletop Sim bags of homebrew houses.

[simple plaza]

(I don't plan to include other people's homebrew without express permission and potentially working on it to make sure the lore is right)

[rain musk]

That's fair.

[simple plaza]

I have been given permission by at least one person to include something they made so I'm already planning on having a spot in the book for them.

It as for everything else I don't want to assume.

But like I said, I'm going to mostly hold off on talking about it here until I have functioning rules and stats and other things for people to actually look at and have an opinion about.

If you're curious and want to know more, my DMs are always open

But the idea of a seafaring house with ghost ships sounds pretty cool regardless of what theming it takes

[rain musk]

Seafaring?

[simple plaza]

Has boats~
Does sailing

Kind of figured that's what you were going for with the Greeks having a transport

I do apologize if I misinterpreted, I am not sober as of current

[rain musk]

No worries! I know the word, but if you meant my Greco-Roman idea, I was more focused on gladitors, green Greek fire, and ashes.

[simple plaza]

Ah!

I got cha

[rain musk]

Probably stretching into too many ideas, but I was thinking to shrink the Transport idea down to a one-man vehicle made from the Horror (speed unit, iirc) of the house.

Zeitlos is focused on BIG carry capacity, having a Tyrant Transport.

So four smol units or another Tyrant (alone) can climb in, while mine's about letting a unit zip around the battlefield and doubling as a meatshield for getting in.

Blitz them now, or become dust on the wind themselves, as the gameplay idea.

[simple plaza]

nod nod

[rain musk]

A few people drawn back from ashas Thralls/Scions, and a few beasts like a hellhound drawing a chariot as the mentioned Horror/speedster, and probably a Phoenix Tyrant to complete the fire theme.

I'm seeing a lot opposite of Eule's unified mist-warriors while I've got this mixed, flaming bag, pfft.

Haven't started a Doc for this idea yet, but I've just been playing on the theme, a little music, and some recent things I've been playing/watching.

[simple plaza]

Well that certainly sounds like a start (⁠ ⁠ꈍ⁠ᴗ⁠ꈍ⁠)

what tracks you got on the list so far?

[rain musk]

In order so far;

• EΛΛAΣ | HELLAS [Greek Music Meets METAL] (Marc Jungermann)
• Out of Tartarus, Second Half (HADES OST, Darren Korb)
• Gladiator (DOOM Eternal OST, Mick Gordon)

Out of Tartarus has been my primary jam when I'm thinking on this house.

All stuff to blitz/ride into the fight with. It doesn't wait, it doesn't slow down, it just goes.

[simple plaza]

You should check out the Domina OST.
The sound track is great and might fit the vibe you are going for (even if the game is made by terrible horrible awful people)

Gladius is an especially good track

[simple plaza]

But all fantastic picks so far

[undone sorrel]

how should I word the Surprise tag better?
it's meant to be like instead of getting an effect when you roll a 5+, you get one effect when rolling a 1-3 and a different effect when rolling a 4-6

[rain musk]

Sounds a bit similar to Stances that Abhorrers have, only it's a range and not odd/even/round-count.

[simple plaza]

I mean, mechanically speaking using a range sounds fine.
Could you give an example of what kind of unit abilities this would be related to?

[undone sorrel]

Effect: This unit and an adjacent unit step 1. Surprise: (1-3) step 2 instead, (4-6) push unit 1 space after stepping

[simple plaza]

I mean, yeah that sound like it would work just fine

I was planning to use something similar for some of the stuff I'm working on

Using a range is good for adding a bit of verity while being balanced against random chance

[undone sorrel]

well I mean, this isn't a question of whether it works or not. this is a question of how to make the wording more concise while still keeping the intent

[simple plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-gif-23894535

my apologies, I'm not fully present at the moment

lets see here

is it always a 5+, or is the trigger and range different for each unit?

[undone sorrel]

the 5+ and ranges I gave were just examples. it's different between each ability

[stuck canopy]

not exactly sure what ur trying to make

rogue faction or somdin?

[simple plaza]

that will make concise wording much harder.

is surprise meant to trigger as a bonus when using another act ability, or is it something that requires an action for use?

[simple plaza]

also this would be helpful information

[undone sorrel]

it's meant to be a semi-replacement to the effect dice that trigger on a certain number or higher, like these

[simple plaza]

So, just to clarify, when a unit that has Surprise uses an Act Ability that is affected by this trait, they roll a d6 upon using the Act Ability. The result of the D6 determins the ability's effect, favoring higher rolls

[undone sorrel]

mechanically, it's a faction with access to all the tokens, like igorri. flavour wise it's a big chaotic parade that draws people in (I tried making the name of Surprise something that'd fit the theme while still sticking mechanically, but that's all I could think of)

[simple plaza]

Okay, what is the flavor of the mechanic? That also may help with the wording here

If suprise is an ill fitting name, what did you have in mind?

(Wife will be home soon so my replies will be kinda spotty. But I am here and want to help if I can)

[rain musk]

Without knowing the units more in-depth, Whimsy or Chaos also sound like options.

[ivory bane]

Wdym?

[simple plaza]

Revelry is also a good one

[undone sorrel]

ah, I think Whimsy would probably work as a replacement.

oh uh

"Revelrae" is the name of the faction so I don't want that to overlap

[simple plaza]

That's a great name ngl

[rain musk]

Hah, nice.

[simple plaza]

in that case yeah, I second that Whimsy is the route to go

[simple plaza]

But back to your question, is this on the mark for how the mechanic you are trying to word works?

[rain musk]

My question is Whimsy going to be a natural thing always happening, like in place of regular "Effect:"s, or does it replace them at certain times? Slightly dumb question.

[simple plaza]

(there are no dumb questions, the more clarity the better ~<3)

[ivory bane]

If you want them added to tts, there are 3 options

1. you can make a separate mod and if you want ill just copy them from the mod to the main table
2. you host the game so i can copy them and put them on
3. you give me the assets so i just add the house myself like i did every other one lol

[undone sorrel]

it doesn't replace the effects themselves, but those number thresholds of effect die (X+ stuff). for those, they'd probably replace completely, because I think it would be funny

[rain musk]

Oh! I can help with that, Eule. I fiddled with things for him on the TTS side, replacinng units' art and recoloring bases and making bags.

It does not have Trench terrain tiles (just an empty infinity-bag), or art beyond the homebrew Necromancer placeholder. It has no cards or a PDF-like object either.

[ivory bane]

I dont think i need help lmao, i just need the assets

[rain musk]

No, I have these saved! XD

[simple plaza]

So in effect, the Act Abilities that are affected by Surprise/Whimsy are in effect small D6 tables, with the effect used based on the roll of a D6 when the Ability is used?

[ivory bane]

Ohh

[ivory bane]

Can you dm them to me/host the mod with the house saved (?)

[rain musk]

No trenches, cards or PDF, but most everything else is an object I saved.

[undone sorrel]

yyyyes, I'd say so

[rain musk]

It's all organized by bag sizes too.

I can host it real quick and pass 'em for Frawg.

[ivory bane]

Ill be up in like 10 mins, i just woke up and am still in bed

[simple plaza]

Alright, then my suggestion would go like this:

"The effect of this ability is determined by a D6 which is rolled when the ability is used."

Or something to the tune of that.

[rain musk]

No worries! Take your time.

[simple plaza]

And with that, I must cook for my beloved.
Adios muchachos~

[rain musk]

My input on the concise wording would be "Surprise: Roll an effect die; only one of two effects will occur depending on a higher or lower result.

[ivory bane]

@stuck canopy kay, thanks to valkyrion, all i need from you is
trench token
knowing how to credit you. do you want a link included, and if so - what is it?

[rain musk]

Val, Valk, Mag or whatever shorthand you wanna use is fine btw!

[stuck canopy]

link?

[ivory bane]

theres a link corner on the tts, linking to the additional creators socials and such, that they wanted to include

I am just asking if you would like one included

[stuck canopy]

nah just mah name and stuff is good

my only social is my NSFW acount commission stuff

also ive already credited yall in the document

no trench token for now

[ivory bane]

Ill add a yellowish pit token to be trench for now then

[rain musk]

And there's an unclaimed bag in the Infinite Bag stuff just for the Trenches, so it's super-easy to get that set. 👌

[stuck canopy]

Not sure how the duchess can be abused but I hope to see how so I can fix it

Once I see how they play I’ll add the necromancer and trench tokens

Might just make the one necromancer tho but have an alt with tata’s

[rain musk]

Yeah, the Baron and Baroness versions.

[stuck canopy]

Right now working on my own arts :3

[ivory bane]

Zeitlos is public

[stuck canopy]

Yosh >:3