MALEGHAST HOMEBREW

[supple venture]

i am extremely happy with how they turned out

they're like a weird mix of deadsouls and carcass; they have a lot of deadsouls's involuntary movement and movement restriction, as well as carcass's focus on ranged combat and stand-your-grounding

but instead of walls they instead inflict slow

and instead of having higher rolls (a la formation) they just get to attack a Lot

[tawdry root]

Yeah, that's cool!

[supple venture]

i am fully expecting to have to nerf some shit for this faction

but i guess i'll find out

[tawdry root]

I still gotta figure out Soul Abilities and all the ACT Upgrades for the electronecro

[supple venture]

i look forward to its eventual completion so i can electrocute people

[tawdry root]

They'll get done Eventually but hoof

Soul abilities are tough and I'm dry for ideas

[supple venture]

yeah i kind of let mine diverge a little from the rest of the mechanics

they're still absolutely in line with what works for moonlighters

[tawdry root]

They're more about vibes yeah

[supple venture]

but they don't all directly engage the main mechanic

yeah

i am very happy with how the necro turned out though especially because in the other faction i've done so far, the neuromongers

the necro is

really not great

i ran out of ideas very fast

when i get around to doing the necro for silent sanctuary i hope i can keep up the ideas

[tawdry root]

I feel a lot better about Galvaniza than I do Rickertock, haha

It's just how it goes; your first product is your clunkiest

[supple venture]

i suppose that's true

although rickertock is still badass

and very unique

i think the big issue with neuromongers is they don't really have a special thing they do

at all

[tawdry root]

I'm glad! But I can already like, Feel how they're a little less coherent

[supple venture]

like sure they create a lot of tokens and can distribute them in various ways

but it just feels a lot less interesting than any of the base houses

[tawdry root]

Can always cycle back and try and revamp later?

[supple venture]

i may do, although i will say

i was working with someone who was going to do the art for it and i haven't heard from them in lik

e

three weeks

so i might jsut let that faction lie where it is

[tawdry root]

ah, oof

[supple venture]

and mvoe on to other things

which is fine

i have more interesting ideas now

[tawdry root]

I'm just not stressin art right now

any big comms I get would have to be for my Lancer stuff!

[supple venture]

i already have spent quite a lot of money on lancer comms

and will invariably spend quite a lot of money on maleghast comms

[tawdry root]

lmao

[supple venture]

tom is responsible for much of my financial situation

[tawdry root]

it all traces back to him really

But yeah I still gotta get art for the rest of The Scene

[lost bough]

i cant come up with a good name for me funni fish people homebrew 😔

[tawdry root]

What's the vibes

[lost bough]

so you know how salmon keep swimming around decomposing once they finishing doing the deed?

think that, and also they reproduce via religion

[tawdry root]

fuck yeah

[lost bough]

im just having trouble coming up with a maleghassy type name for them

[tawdry root]

Hmmm

Rottwater

[lost bough]

Hmmm

Neat, not sure I’m feeling it

Like I looking for something more “gargamox”

[tawdry root]

Sure sure

Hrmm
Putrefitide or somethin?

[lost bough]

Sry I should specify

[tawdry root]

Gargamoxx is a weird one to copy because it's just A Word that has like, vibes, there's no wordplay going on there

so my brain doesn't compute on it lmao

[lost bough]

Yeah that’s what I mean

I looking for that jumble that fits the vibe

[tawdry root]

Mhm mhm!

But yeah I can't turn wordplay brain off

[lost bough]

That’s fair

[tawdry root]

good luck tho!!!

sounds like a cool faction

[lost bough]

Ye

Also got some neat mechanic stuff

[tawdry root]

👀?

[lost bough]

I posted it before

Gimme a sec

[peak zodiac]

To me it kind of evokes Gargle, plus Mox is Latin for "Soon" and also sorta sounds like Pox

[peak zodiac]

I think you could incorporate "ichthys" in some way for a fishy house

[tawdry root]

Ohh

Yeah alright

So, to clarify; stepping into a Pool gives Lurk, removes the pool, and turns Lurk back off if they already have it?

[lost bough]

It’s if you have lurk stepping into a pool removes it
If you don’t you gain it

[tawdry root]

Mhm mhm

[lost bough]

This lasts until the end of the current turn

So if you lost lurk from a pool you gain it back

[tawdry root]

Interestin

[lost bough]

I should also put a clause in there that it happens before other end of turns effects

So if you have “lurk until the end of your next turn” and you step into a pool you still lose it at the end

[lost bough]

There’s also Thalassophobia…

[peak zodiac]

Ickthalas

Thalasso has made me think of Sargasso also... Thargasso?

[lost bough]

Yeah I dig it

In other salt homebrew news. Kronodores a pretty close to being playtestable

Just gotta fill some more stuff out

Also excited to work on Danse Macabre some more

Those guys are gonna be fun

[peak zodiac]

So I understand, is Lurk basically a temporary "basement level" of the map?

[lost bough]

It’s basically lancer intangible

[peak zodiac]

And pools are the doors?

Ok

[ivory bane]

Wylderot necro art, coming in the next update

[tawdry root]

Ooo

[uneven veldt]

second one

absolutely insane nuke on the enemy necro with very little they can do about it

[supple venture]

Yeah I ended up going with the first one

It's still strong but not bullshit

[lost bough]

reworking Kronodores a tad

got rid of the concept of extorted tokens are replaced it with something hopefully more dynamic

[tawdry root]

Interestin!

[lost bough]

just trimmin down some stuff

also getting rid of Rupture on Thargasso. i dont they really need it

Pools and Lurk are interesting enough of their own

just taking the hatchet to a bunch of token generation on these factions (since i got the an idea for another one that does alot of token stuff)

[lost bough]

in place of that, they are going to have alot of effect triggers off of foe hp or units being slain and corpses

[lost bough]

And that’s the Kronodores Necro completely filled out!

Just gotta come up with the rest of the upgrades for the other units and they should be playtest ready

[tawdry root]

Hell yeah

[lost bough]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2TFoqSc3ZQXluixaBlhddWAL4U171UMikpmbWFUaek/edit?usp=sharing

and done!

[lost bough]

on my silly shit once more

i will not stop

[ivory bane]

Devil blood barrel+explosion

Barricades

[peak zodiac]

Is this a whole new one? Lol

[lethal echo]

Custom Scenario: Totem Destruction

The yellow-marked spaces are Capture Zones, and in those zones are Totems, one for each player. Each player deploys on a side of their choice that has a totem, and that totem is their totem for the duration of the match. Totems do not fill their space, meaning units can occupy the totem's space. When a unit is adjacent to a totem, they may Act to pick it up, and it becomes a token attached to that unit. The unit must use its Act on each of its turns to continue carrying the totem, otherwise it is dropped in their space. If a unit carrying an enemy totem enters the capture zone on your side of the map, the unit's owner wins.
At the start of each round, a player may redeploy ONE of their slain units (or two, if the unit is a Thrall).

This one's a little more complex in rules compared to other scenarios, but I think the concept is self-explanatory lol.

Also thank you to @lost bough for sharing his assets with everyone in the map Drive, this map was a lot of fun to put together with these!

[tawdry root]

salt's a hero

[lethal echo]

I can't wait until Salt releases the token icons for the general tokens, the faction tokens have already been a big help

[viscid marsh]

Salt's a champ, yeah. dude's been going apeshit ever since Maleghast got its hooks in him

[lost bough]

Fuck yeah

[lost bough]

Already have homeslice

Check the maleghast forum pins

[lost bough]

Also yes haha

This is probably gonna be my last one for a bit

[lethal echo]

The tokens look fantastic, great job!

[lost bough]

Ye thanks!

I will be updating those later today

I got some small final edits i want to make

[lethal echo]

Like what?

[lost bough]

The biggest one is that I’m gonna updating the vit token to be slightly more visually distinct from the strength one

Slow, retaliation, phys and super armor are also gonna get some slight changes

[lethal echo]

Ahh, I see what you mean. I didn't think about how close Vit and Str's silhouettes were til I zoomed out a little lol

[lost bough]

Yeah

[lost bough]

It is true. I have da hyperfixation

[peak zodiac]

I must admit, I... can't quite tell what the Slow token is supposed to be...

To be clear, I think they are really great and you did a lovely job

[lost bough]

It’s a spiked chain

[lethal echo]

Necrolith Wastes:

As a sandstorm approaches, you and your Black Mass seek shelter in the shadow of a towering necrolith, its corpselike visage staring unblinkingly at you as approach the darkness beneath its feet. You use an old torch to illuminate your surroundings, banishing the darkness, but you find you are not the only one seeking shelter here...

This map can be run as-is, but you may also run it using the following rules:

The white spaces surrounding the center of the map are elevated terrain. In rounds 3 and 4, they are also counted as Adverse terrain. In rounds 5 and 6, they are hazardous terrain.

[peak zodiac]

Lol yep obvious in retrospect

[lost bough]

penitent got competition

[slow raptor]

So, anyone got some of that

anzenmezzeron lore

[lost bough]

Here you go

[lost bough]

Also tempted to give this faction some hazard gen. Just cuz

[peak zodiac]

Okiedoke, crazy astrophysics cult ASTRAMAUR is ready for your scathing critiques

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nC4ZCN5VBX4y3yceaEa2Qlm700abJjr-4g61YOjrcoM/edit?usp=drivesdk

It's playtestable ready and I'd like to playtest it myself but can't for a few days at least

[lost bough]

im am fucking CLEARING through these guys btw

necro is almost done, all units are mostly filled out

probably gonna say upgrades for after a couple of playtests. wanna get some spite games in to see how they play cuz they are complicated

[peak zodiac]

I have been informed that the formatting on this was trash, it is now fixed and actually readable

[lost bough]

Ozma'Gaiath Necro upgrades done

just gotta figure out their 3rd bonus trait tho

[lost bough]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pnUKKfPLfEdHHseQWhBVP2kRjZFxy11fQd_vhwZXAik/edit?usp=sharing

ye deez dudes are pretty much playtest ready

don’t wanna bout upgrades now

[lost bough]

Although I might actually remove the damage sharing on soulbound and make that exclusive to the Polymath’s act

[lost bough]

I also don’t know how defensive I should make these guys stat wise

[proven adder]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iREMoOUY2puHs8698UgMnO1SqJl5RlXENVeuESDe-Io/edit?usp=sharing
yo, I made a homebrew faction! All about doing time shenanigans with their unique recall tag to make hit and run attacks. Their unique Temporal Rift token hinders enemy positioning while increasing the survivability and their factionwide unique ability means they gain SOUL when hostile unit is obliterated, at the cost of not gaining SOUL when their own units are destroyed

enjoy! and feel free to tell me it's terrible, I've not been brewing for MALEGHAST 4 very long lol

[lost bough]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DRJ0wIA0c9OAzrPaGLJkX9PM2jbrdn1PGuUxF2n_U8Q/edit?usp=sharing

updated the template

added boxes for erratas, updates, and all unit types

[lost bough]

made some temp tokens for these boys

[supple venture]

the fucking pixelated tony soprano

is so good

[peak zodiac]

My boy Skelly 💀

[tawdry root]

Incredible

[lost bough]

Upgrades done!

They ready

Gonna make some temp tokens for them

[lost bough]

also some thargasso necro acts

god im working so much

[strong needle]

Nice use of the ICON demons lol

[proven orchid]

is the one in the top left from p4a??

[lost bough]

yup thats asterius all right

he's so cool

[proven orchid]

We cannot disagree.

[lost bough]

I just realized house thargasso are ending up like dd2 plagueeaters

Lol

[dark current]

Apologies if this sounds rude to some of the work - I don't mean to be dismissive - but which would you homebrewers consider the more active/nearly complete homebrew houses? I'm looking at what the scene has explored design-and-aesthetic-wise to try to steer clear from them (or at the very least give a heads up if I'm working on something similar).

[ivory bane]

No idea what you mean by active but so far archive and wylderot seem the only ones that are fully finished and supplied with art
There are a bunch that are finished but dont have art, and i think one that has art but not yet finished

[undone sorrel]

what are you counting as supplied with art?

like, character tokens plus portraits?
'cause there are a couple finished houses, one of mine included, who have portraits but no tokens

[dark current]

By "active" I mean in active development, including occasional tweaks. I'm not really including houses that someone published then disappeared without engaging with the community about wording, balance concerns, etc.

Which is also why I started with an apology. I don't want to say someone's work is "not a real house" or not good enough, but I'm looking for things that are going (or at least went) through some iterations and haven't been forgotten.

[proven adder]

oh cool, erm, mine are

The CHRONOS

no art at all, and in need of some testing

[dark current]

Sounds really cool! Mind telling me a little about what they look and play like? That is, if you were making a spread like every house has in the base game, how would it be?

(If you don't know, that's fine! I'm just trying to not step on anyone's toes here)

[tawdry root]

Rickertock's mine that I'm happy to update but haven't tested yet; haunted witchy and cannibalistic scarecrows with a playstyle of being persistent debilitators

And then there's Galvaniza which I've been slow to finish drafting; need to sit down and hammer out the soul abilities

[dark current]

Neat! And thanks for the description.

[proven adder]

Temporal necromancers who command impossible creatures to rip their foes asunder ranging from the vacant and hollow bodies of those chronomancers who foolishly tried to change time too drastically and were destroyed for it, only to be returned by the city of the dead for an eternity of penance to house CHRONOS to the impossible Could-Have-Been King with terrible power to destroy foes both up close and at range, however they're all soulless and moderately fragile and so fight with hit and run tactics (aided by their time magic) and by obliterating their foes for their SOULs. They have a Thrall, a Scion, a Freak, a Hunter and a Tyrant

Their main mechanics are the Recall tag which returns a unit to the space it started the turn on after completing the ACT, The unique Temporal Rift token which heals allied units at the end of an act but makes hostile units Step 2 in a direction of the CHRONOS' choosing after making their move and finally their factionwide ability: Something From Nothing which allows them to gain SOUL from enemy units getting obliterated but prevent them from gaining SOUL from having their own units perish

[peak zodiac]

I've been working on Astramaur lately, been looking for an opportunity to playtest for the first time. A cult that worships a demon from space, astrophysics mixed with magic. Essentially the demon-induced space madness fries their brain, so they gradually build power ("frequency" tokens, tho I'm not married to that name) until they start to burn out and explode on death. A bit Gargamox, a bit Abhorrer. Particularly proud of the Oracle (Hunter) that can use the hazards it creates as sources of line of sight - essentially peering through mini black holes to snipe foes.

[ivory bane]

Coneman

[dark current]

Very cool, thanks for the write-ups!

I've heard a lot about Archivists and Wylderot (I think those are the names). Are they done?

[ivory bane]

ive got an unpushed patch of wylderot, but yes

mainly changing their necro and a 6 soul ability, since it seemed useless

[viscid marsh]

afaik Archive is released but in testing. i've played a few games with them

[ivory bane]

well any faction is in testing

i would say that archive is as finished as vanilla factions are

[ivory bane]

you can find both archive and wylderot in the homebrew folder thats pinned in this channel
i just pushed the wylderot update, focusing on making their weaker tools a bit more of an option

[dark current]

I will, thanks. Does it include a short description of what they do? I'll read the actual mechanics, but it's always good to know what's the intended role.

[ivory bane]

redcap got a portrait too

[ivory bane]

they are mostly about health management

[lost bough]

Two of mine are playtest ready, Kronodores and Ozma’Gaiath. Both still need art but I’ll get around to it

[ivory bane]

Kronodores are also mostly done, exclusing art i think
Maybe they need extensive testing

Jackal is also like that

[lost bough]

We got these sick temp tokens tho

[lost bough]

Thargasso Necro done

[lost bough]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k17HG6bOFsUgDa45TwLHIFBOJe543fM2DLG962AJab0/edit?usp=sharing

and donezo

3/4 factions ready for playtests

just danse macabre left

[barren bluff]

Finally someone added fish

[peak zodiac]

Exile (horror), Oracle (hunter), and Obelisk (tyrant) for house Astramaur

[lost bough]

Forbidden Knowledge: At turn start, unit succumbs. May consume a madness token to ignore the effects of any negative token.

changed the occultist trait. now THIS is more interesting

[lost bough]

Updated tokens of these guys (they have a new palette now!)

[ivory bane]

going up to update the archive and scortifiore, anybody wants anything else included/updated in the tabletop sim homebrew?

[lost bough]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Xl6G1X4U5SUJmPQru9WGR_qDvVxTRaIgLcDzxk8JUA/edit?usp=sharing

bwah

[lost bough]

Feel free to comment ideas and I’ll add them there

[lost bough]

I should probably run some Kronodores playtests at some point

[ivory bane]

Doors
I rule doors as walls, but you can spend an action to close or open it.
This is mostlz for tts purposes. as you cannot stand on a door, so we treat it like, if a door is open, you may pass through it for free, and it also "extends" melee attacks coming through it

[lost bough]

I meant in the doc itself lol but i see

[dense trail]

Sysop, for UmbrealReaver's The Archives

[unkempt wave]

Want some opinions: how much/what sort of buffs you'd expect to make a 1v3 scenario?

[unkempt wave]

Munching down the rules, but i like the layout already.

[ivory bane]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19hPWAfGELqKOxvgfJh7ojaLv9otScu04DqhYvcj7zd8/edit

[unkempt wave]

This simplifies a lot, nice.

[fringe vigil]

I wanted to start home-brewing for Maleghast, what is a good place to start.
I was thinking of making an homebrew unit type for each normal faction as training, like Hunter for GOREGRINDERS or Tyrant for GARGAMOX.
What is a good start?

[ivory bane]

What do you mean by a good start?

[fringe vigil]

Dunno, some tips to create new things, like what makes a faction or a unit fun to play or things like that

[tawdry root]

I mean, eh

That's not something folks can really answer for you, y'know?

Or, hmm, well

Maleghast is a very simple system to make stuff for; the units and mechanics are made to be simple and to fit together into a cohesive little strategic whole

If you want to make a faction, just... make a faction!

Get a vibe, get a set of unique mechanics you feel work out

[peak zodiac]

Something that helps me is to think of what the existing house/units have in common, and what sets them apart.

Like most of the houses deal in one or two types of tokens, Strength and one other (speed for Goregrinders, Vitality for Abhorrers) so think about how that plays into the strategy, and then try to put a spin on it.

And same for the units: thralls are generally expendable frontline units, hunters are weak ranged units, horrors are fragile big-hitters, scions are generalists.

So as derp said, start with a concept, then turn that into a general strategy for the house, then think about how some units would utilize that concept.

[peak zodiac]

The answer to this depends on who's answering. What do you find fun? And then go from there

[lethal echo]

We need a circus themed House and I will make it myself if I have to

[lost bough]

Honk honk

[lethal echo]

Okay so I have a few mechanics lined up for this faction that I think might be interesting.

The first is Laughter: A negative token that forces units afflicted with it to only be able to either Move or Act, not both. It should be a rare thing to get, like the Doom token.
The next is Performance: A tag on certain abilities that lets a unit copy one token it has and share it with an ally. This is meant to tie together with the next feature, Schadenfreude: This one I don't have any specifics for, but I plan for it to be a positive bonus to units that have a negative token attached, like Laughter. So the point is to give yourself negative tokens and get buffs from that, at the risk of being too weak or at a disadvantage

So it's a risk/reward faction

[fringe vigil]

I made units for every faction but I can't get an idea for an IGORRI Scion, got any ideas?

[peak zodiac]

Yeah that's a tough one. Igorri strengths are their adaptability. Maybe a unit that can generate some other tokens (str, spd, vit) to capitalize on any mutation tokens it might gain?

[lethal echo]

Not to self-advertise but a while back I made an Igorri Scion that could take any Strength or Vitality tokens its allies had and turn them into Weak/Vulnerable tokens that are then applied to an enemy. I did that to address an issue I found of some Igorri units having tons of tokens and very little burst damage.

I'm not saying to do that, but hopefully this might spark your imagination. Another thing you could do is create a Scion that can produce and share mutation tokens, buffing up nearby allies at the cost of their Act. Afaik, most sources of Mutation come from Acts that only grant the tokens to the user

[fringe vigil]

I made someone that can transport Corpses and launch them

When I get home I'll get them in a file and send them

[lethal echo]

Oooh, that sounds fun as hell!

[peak zodiac]

This is the best idea yet

Do they damage enemies? Or are they for eating lol

Gonna just point this guy right at my Homonculus and hold down the trigger. Lunch time.

[fringe vigil]

They don't damage but he can use the one he transports to deal more damage

[peak zodiac]

Phenomenal

[fringe vigil]

Here it is

[lethal echo]

In the Kill-9 stats, does Blitz require the Kill-9 to be in Formation with the target, or can it be any unit that is in Formation?

[lethal echo]

I feel like more mobility really isn't what Goregrinders needed, and I'm not sure how the Treatapult fills the role of a Hunter. Hunters are generally best at single-target damage, but none of the Treatapult's abilities do single-target damage

If you want an example of a unit that does ranged aoe damage at will, I'd look at the Aegis Weapon of CARCASS for how to balance it. The game generally doesn't like to do ranged aoe damage without some kind of drawback, such as Reload or in the case of Deadsoul's Writhing Curse, a potential way to escape it if you play smart

[lost bough]

I think I might rework House Thargasso into a slow faction

[lost bough]

There’s already gonna be two speed factions in core (grinders and fucked up bird faction) and slow fits into their gameplan a little better than speed

[lethal echo]

Oh damn, when did Tom announce new factions?

[lost bough]

Less announced, and more like early thinkering inside his head

There’s fucked up bird faction (which is a speed faction) and vampire spider faction (which is a vit faction)

And also silent hill faction (which is weak)

[lethal echo]

Huh, I gotcha. Now I'm excited, I can't wait to see how these turn out if he does follow up on them

[fringe vigil]

Any unit that is in formation, but I'm thinking of adding that it can only step closer to that unit

[lethal echo]

Ah, that makes more sense. In that case, then I would say that you should specify that you only can step closer to the chosen unit. Also, you could save yourself some time by just saying that the Kill-9 can Bodyblock instead of rewriting what Bodyblock does. Since it's an existing mechanic players should be familiar with, you can just refence that for the ability's effects instead of having to write it out in its entirity. So for example:

When an allied unit in range 3 is targeted by an attack, this unit may step 2 towards the allied unit and Bodyblock the attack.

[barren bluff]

If these come out that would be crazy. I’ve always wanted a vampire house

[lethal echo]

So this is the barest bones of the Cirque de Necros, the carnival of death. I haven't tested the balance of any of this against base MM so things may be wonky, but I'll adjust the stats later lol. What do ya'll think?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nUsvR-ZiOSFlOOOQ1euTy5FBr6-gY73yWTUFoXsGrIE/edit?usp=drivesdk

[fringe vigil]

Looks really fun, the only thing is Saw in Half needs to specify allied unit

[lethal echo]

Oh yeah, that'd certainly help haha

Thank you!

[lethal echo]

The Cirque De Necros is ready to begin testing! The only issue is the need for placeholder unit images, but otherwise... the circus is in town 🤡

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tJu-Fl3mtzBsbT3OW59vGrkU9momI9EfBVwaMjBofeY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[supple venture]

i really need to get back to working on my homebrews; i need to playtest moonlighters sometime soon and actually do any work on silent sanctuary

i need to play more maleghast in general but mostly just finish these projects tbh

[lost bough]

the crossover you never knew you needed

[proven orchid]

okay we're finally gonna get around to actually MAKING our Maleghast homebrew

[flint lily]

I am now inspired. Time to add some eldritch prayers!

Is there a guide or baseline?

[tawdry root]

Fraid not, but there is formatting templates

House design is pretty simple though

2-3 unique mechanics/tags, 5 units (missing one of the 'classes'), and the necro plus all their upgrades

[flint lily]

Cool.

Time to make some biotech horrors.

[tawdry root]

Nice

I forgor about finishing the electric cultists actually

I just couldn't compute any SOUL Abilities for the necro

[flint lily]

I am going to make parts of dead elder gods or some corpses just jammed full of gears and tech

[tawdry root]

Why not both

God was a machine and we bear his pieces

[flint lily]

Welp time to throw in a bit of Ultrakill as well then.

Time to get to forging.

[flint lily]

The Scion’s name can wait until after I actually make the units.

[flint lily]

Were are the formatting templates?

[tawdry root]

They were pinned in here but they changed how Pins work

[flint lily]

I hate that.

[tawdry root]

So now I think you'd have to trawl through the pins in the main forum

yeah it's ass

[flint lily]

Found the pins. They are in settings for some reason?

[tawdry root]

hweh?

I don't know if that's better or worse

[flint lily]

At least they are here.

The are in the normal on web/PC.

[tawdry root]

yeah this pain is only on mobile

[flint lily]

The mobile layout sucks but I can finally make the actual rule cards. Now time to decide if the wrought is the freak or the thrall.

[lost bough]

on my bullshit once more

[flint lily]

Dang that’s fast. I don’t think it’s even out yet. (The bird guys I mean)

[lost bough]

all i need is vibes and i can work with anything

[flint lily]

I need to tinker with my Gearborn house. I am turning them from fast tanks to attrition warfare.

[tough summit]

Idea : Clown Faction

[tough summit]

damn, someone thought of it before i did

@lethal echo Your cirque de necros has a lot of text that's lost in the sidebar, so it is hard to read

[lethal echo]

What do you mean lost in the sidebar? I haven't looked at the document on a computer, I made the faction on the Docs app on mobile

[tough summit]

strange, there was a bug but i guess it fixed itself, nothing's wrong now
But what I meant is that, the bit to the left was too much on the left and was lost into the side of the page

[light vale]

Ey anyone know who made Fortigore? Someone just did a game and funnily enough they are the only ones to type out the word in the discord

[stuck canopy]

The holy land has been found

For whoever made Fortigore, I’ve tried it out on a good 3-way conflict and would like to give critique if your open to it.

Also is there a template for creating your own factions and stuff like that?

Oh nvm I found it in pins

Was thinking of making a steampunk faction reminiscent of hellboy’s kroenen style

You know, without the whole Nazi vibe of course

https://tenor.com/view/hellboy-karl-kroenen-gif-24953827

Airships and such

[lost bough]

yep

check out the drive in the pins

[stuck canopy]

Ye found em earlier, thank ye homeslice

[stuck canopy]

Ok it is very bare bones and im sure alot of it is unbalanced but i need to get some opinions on House Zeitlos so i can better Nerf, Buff or Tweak certain units.

i should mention a unit may only have 4 morale at a time. Anyways, thoughts?

[flint lily]

Why do you have two thralls? You might want to pick one or the other.

@stuck canopy

[stuck canopy]

Zeitlos is all about numbers and thus gains an additional thrall choice while missing out horrors and hunters

Utilising lesser units for their quantity

Trenchfoots are ur infantrymen, frontlining until they can dig their trenches

Morserteams are all about covering off allied units from afar with sand-gas to smoke their entry while dropping the occasional explosive, but are absolute garbage at close

Hmmmm

Duchess’s replace the cogs seems too powerful I think

Probably replace it with

Replace the Cogs: Remove all negative tokens and heal 1HP on a transported unit

Puts them into a sort of support tyrant….and maybe replace super armour with physical or have no armour but increase HP

[stuck canopy]

OK! sorry to clutter, but having some tweaking and alot of changes, i have a solid framework to work with

ive also made a doodle base of the Trenchfoot (I'll try to learn how to do the style once all is complete and add some Egyptian iconography)

i just need some very blunt or helpful critique if anyone is offering to read through. Oh and ignore Reinforcements soul ability, I’m removing that.

[strong needle]

Thats pretty sick ngl

[lost bough]

Ye that’s pretty nice art

[slow raptor]

yeah I don't have any mechanicl insight but I love the art :v

[stuck canopy]

Much obliged friends

Did some testing, and sand-gas deployment is broken, not because of its effect but it’s ability to deploy anywhere, so I tried testing with only deploying on allied units and it was a pretty balanced matchup

[tawdry root]

hmm okay I should probably actually finish Galvaniza

gonna sit down today and wrap up this necro come hell or high water

[stuck canopy]

oooo

may i see?

[tawdry root]

oh, sure

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j3OVK8I2Fni_g02h1Zq4WFOpA6qq-gSxnyLHtRNh2YM/edit?usp=drivesdk

I got stuck on the necro's SOUL abilities like a month ago and just never got back to it

[stuck canopy]

question

so from what im getting on the thrall they get 1 voltage per round on their own?

[tawdry root]

How do you mean?

[stuck canopy]

well

[tawdry root]

All of the faction's units get a Voltage after moving

[stuck canopy]

it says flash is a move

is that additional to their normal move?

meaning they'd get 2 voltage from it?

[tawdry root]

The next time they MOVE will be Flash; it's a modifier, not an extra

[stuck canopy]

gotcha

[tawdry root]

Like how Free movement is a modifier on movement

[stuck canopy]

fair

so far Empolyte is good and balanced i think, having thralls be the ones u wanna keep alive to sue a battery generation is a smart idea

tho the Schizmatic is a little broken

Teslamelt and the Matyr upgrade specifically

[tawdry root]

Teslamelt I do wanna change the volt trigger on but wasn't sure what to do with it
Martyr, ehh

I think it's fine

[stuck canopy]

nah its just the obliteration of terrain, hazards and walls

your denying two houses bread and butter

[tawdry root]

I think that's fine, in my book

Teslamelter should do a little less of it but being able to go 'fuck you' to Hazards is not a tool anybody else has

[stuck canopy]

that means gargamoxx and deadsouls are at an extreme disadvantage

moreso than i think they should be

[tawdry root]

Not necessarily; they have tricks outside of those things

I'd rather see how a match up goes before automatically discounting it

[stuck canopy]

that is a fair point

now martyr

lemme explain why its much

[tawdry root]

1 plus 3 irreducible Splash damage for an upgrade at volt 6 and killing the unit is the kind of big damage that I think justifies itself

[stuck canopy]

Martyr basically gives you Splash Devil Damage

[tawdry root]

Nahh, Devil Damage Obliterates too

[stuck canopy]

its not the obliteration

its the fact nobody can do anything about it

its irreducable

[tawdry root]

And then it kills the unit and they also have to get to volt 6

(Mind you, I don't have a frame of reference for how quickly voltage can be gained in play yet but that's supposed to be a high threshold)

[stuck canopy]

just having an ability that has no counter is what some might call "bullshit"

(i mean this in the most respectful way)

[tawdry root]

You could say the same thing about a lot of other ACTs that Just Work

[stuck canopy]

ye but alot of those acts can be reduced or altered

i just hope u give it some thought when ur in the tweaking or balancing phase

[tawdry root]

I'm just of the thought that things should be allowed to go a little too hard sometimes

[stuck canopy]

that is true but ya gotta be careful of the players ability to abuse it

[tawdry root]

Martyr might see changes to make it less awkward but i doubt from it being too strong

[stuck canopy]

if u want recommendation why not have it that it can never be reduced below 1

[tawdry root]

Perhaps! We shall see

[stuck canopy]

consistent hitter

[tawdry root]

But nothing in the game can reduce 3 damage to 0 anyway, I think

[stuck canopy]

hmmmm

its not that

its more for the early game when they have no voltage

denies weak tokens that might be put on the schizmatic

is there a limit to how much zappies they can hold?

[tawdry root]

Nah

Just like there's no limit to any other token

But using a Voltage trigger means it drops all of your Voltage, so it shouldn't get ridiculous and there's (mostly) no reason to make it ridiculous either

[stuck canopy]

Conduit is a very good support

not sure on Voltaic Mist

already powerful support as is and having 3 constant weak is just gonna murder any other houses chances of doing damage since almost every unit also inflicts weak

Surgent is straight up too powerful

Fulmination holy shit

and body electric

[tawdry root]

Fulmination is Very Funny

[stuck canopy]

its literally:

https://tenor.com/view/whats-happening-bye-gone-dust-bucky-barnes-gif-16387508

u can legit kill half the team turn 1

[tawdry root]

It's a lotta Splash I'll grant you that but the second attack is behind voltage 3 and you need to roll to hit for each one

[stuck canopy]

ye but that with body electric

even as an upgrade its scary

[tawdry root]

If you use body electric then you likely aren't using the voltage trigger for fulmination as much

[tawdry root]

I probably should drop the effect roll for the extra damage

[stuck canopy]

both options are nightmares XD

and voltage is so easy to gain from what ive noticed

might i offer an idea to prevent it from getting out of hand?

[tawdry root]

It's Intended to generally take 1-2 turns before a unit can use bigger and bigger Voltage triggers, unless you're specifically targeting boosting up one guy

The rates at which it can be gained is something I can't gauge without testing, frankly

[stuck canopy]

ive already figured out how to have 3 voltage on majority of the team by round 1

https://tenor.com/view/electric-super-powers-controlling-electricity-streaks-flashes-gif-14629796

[tawdry root]

Yeah, then you burn that using the Abilities and would then need to spend another round of setup to get back to that point

[stuck canopy]

doesnt amtter, would have fried the enemy team by round 2

[tawdry root]

The idea is that it's a lot of power you repeatedly charge up to over the fight

[stuck canopy]

my thought is recieving damage removes 1 voltage from the target

making voltage a momentum sort of system

[tawdry root]

It's an Idea but I'll again wait to see testing beforehand

[stuck canopy]

making Electric Maidens Faraday gown become a snowball unit

once she's peaked u better run :3

honestly i like your house homie

cant wait to zap some homies when you have perfected everything ❤️

might i ask a favour?

[tawdry root]

Sure

And I'm glad you like it!

[stuck canopy]

mind being as brutal for with my homebrew? i just finished the second iteration of balancing

[tawdry root]

I can look at it, sure

[stuck canopy]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cy2UymIuAUq0DInno9VHAfrNc9MLjz7LuDj6m2Cqs14/edit?usp=sharing

[tawdry root]

Trenchfoot:

I like it, a good 'build up the frontline' type of Thrall
Ration The Fallen's action cost feels too much for what it does, and Trench Shotgun feels too specific. Both upgrades are, regardless, way too weak compared to Booby-Trapped.
Moserteam:
Same deal, I like em.
Kathunk is fun but the Obliterate is real mean. Feels like the Trench should be an easier effect, too, especially if it stays at -1D.
From The Grave feels like a weird upgrade for a unit that is very slow and very long-ranged.
Barghest:
Rust Rain is real nasty; 2+ damage whacks are common for Scions, but still worth noting.
Hunker Down isn't Bad, but presuming the cover is just for you it feels a little like I wouldn't really bother to ever do this, and if it's for allies then it feels like it cops too hard from CARCASS's Enforcer.
Ironman, as written, also gives Morale to foes.
Staubbetruger:
Does Mirage mean its MOVE can be split before and after an ACT?
Does From High Command still give you the extra morale?
Duchess:
fascinating. The idea is fun but really really encourages Thrall nonsense more than anything else, which I'm not sure about.
Rust Baron:
Not sure about At The Helm. It encourages almost always taking a Tyrant unless you have the trait that just replaces this one, and also putting your Necro inside the Duchess makes the already bulky Necro, equivalent to Operator, fuckin hard to kill

@stuck canopy

not gonna dig too hard into the soul and act upgrades

A faction having two Thralls to choose from is something I would kinda raise my eyebrows at and maybe Moserteams would be better served as a Hunter (probably could lower their damage otherwise though)

But I think this works

Don't feel the need to reply to all this either, I'm just pointing stuff out that you can use or ignore at your leisure

[stuck canopy]

for the trenchfoot i wanna encourage different playstyles, Trench shotgun acts similiar to warhead cleave and is about doing maximum amount of damage, while Ration the fallen is all about slowly building up ur strength so u can snowball later

booby trap is for the cheeky cunts who prefer to roadblock and section off

[tawdry root]

Ration The Fallen does technically work as that but it's a whole action spent for one token

lot of lost momentum there

Trench Shotgun felt like it demands too specific positioning for an attack that Already wants very specific positioning

[stuck canopy]

trench shotgun is essentially a range increase aswell

positioning is this groups focus

their playstyle is mobilsation and trench warfare

plus a chance to ignore damage

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-gun-point-sniper-rifle-gif-16445332

good range option for cutting down thralls that get mouthy

but ig et what u mean for ration the fallen

thing is i dont wanna make it too powerful

[tawdry root]

I'd look at the similar upgrade the Carcass Gunwights have

[stuck canopy]

ooooo

true gunwight is similiar

muuuuch better

momentum maintained

[tawdry root]

hell yeah

the big trick with maleghast is that it's a game very much built to keep the ball rolling no matter what

you miss an attack, you still deal damage

most ACTs are deterministic

that kinda thing

[stuck canopy]

fair

[tawdry root]

any given ACT should still be letting a unit advance its gamestate or setup or whatever

[stuck canopy]

in terms of the Kathunk! i want it to be high risk and high reward, requiring you to use ur other units to make its job easier

also keep in mind, Booby trap cant be applied to Moserteam trenches made with kathunk!

and the obliterate is to counter how support based they are

[tawdry root]

they still deal 2 damage though

[stuck canopy]

like getting a hit with a -D is hard shit :3

[stuck canopy]

they also have no melee attack and barely any movement

getting close to these fuckers usually means they arent gonna survive

basically they are a support crutch

so half the time kathunk isnt worth it

when u can use sand-gas blanket to cover ur allies

ur assessment for from the grave is right

its very counter to their playstyle, but thats what is so good about it

thralls are weak

they will die

this allows them to do a hail mary in their final moments

https://tenor.com/view/wario-mario-nintendo-suicide-gif-18825161

[tawdry root]

I would personally make it 'you can use kathunk as a melee attack and then die' as a last ditch fuck off move if somebody jumps your backline

[stuck canopy]

hmmmm

thats not a bad idea

quite like it

[tawdry root]

Giving Thralls a 'kill me, you won't' ability is always funny in my book

[stuck canopy]

in terms of Barghest, they are the crowbars to your army, the backbone as it were. The Hunker down cover is for allies directly behind the Barghest.

like the trench foot i wanna encourage strategy choices

gas thrusters if for the all in strategist ( and a personal fuck you to Gargamoxx players)

ironman is defence above all else

and bunker buster is "get off my fuckin porch"

Straubtruger is all about the saboteur lifestyle

yes they can move before AND after an act

allows them to be quite a nuisance with hit and run tactics

Yes From high command still proccs

reworded it because it wasnt clear

while the duchess

this took me a while to put a handle on it cuz i liked the idea of it

The duchess by itself usually acts as a portable headquarters

no armour so easy to chip away

and having units inside it just makes it an even larger target

its why it only has 1 attack

a Support tyrant

its hp might need a small nerf tho

ill change it to 6

@tawdry root

"A faction having two Thralls to choose from is something I would kinda raise my eyebrows at and maybe Moserteams would be better served as a Hunter (probably could lower their damage otherwise though)"

i gave this thought when i was making them

but i wanted them to be a numbers game

the Abhorrers reversed in that instead of an extra non-thrall unit

u get an extra thrall choice

[stuck canopy]

never, youve been a major help so far and i appreciate ur candid perspective

oh and @ivory bane

i vs'd ur forest undead peeps

and if ur ok with criticism

Corpsefly: Sap Strength is scary

maybe its because they can activate the round they are made

but wildcaller just sending in tons of corpse flies for easy damage

got a little salty after that cuz when i destroyed 1 corpsefly another just activates immediatly and attacks again

and since they activate that round its hard to prep for it

meanwhile u can feed the wildcaller with vitality no problem and keep making endless amounts

thats my crit

but im sure u only heard big baby noises

[ivory bane]

Thats why wildcallers are target prio number 1

just like say antipriests

[stuck canopy]

ye but they are usually way in the back and getting through them is near impossible

just so much flies

[ivory bane]

this didnt come up much in our test games since a wild caller either died too early, or the flies were negligible, so i personally mainly played around them as a source of fuel for other abilities.

but yes, flystack is real

i just say that it is counterable because ive seen people do it xd

[stuck canopy]

the splash is what kills me

[ivory bane]

What was the matchup?

[stuck canopy]

Deadsouls, Gore and Tree corspes

[ivory bane]

splash requires them to already have a bit token or they die

if they are summons

[stuck canopy]

i was deadsouls

[stuck canopy]

they kept putting vit tokens on the flies

constant splashing as soon as they are spawned

like a windup toy

[ivory bane]

How did they put a vit token on a fly?

Its been some time but i dont remember ways to put vitality on others in anybody except for the fly

fly is not a swarmling so its only source of vit is an action spent on attacking

[stuck canopy]

extract from earth

[ivory bane]

Ohhhh

No?

Extract from earth is an upgrade to feed the soil

[stuck canopy]

ye

[ivory bane]

taking feed the soil action obliterates the fly

[stuck canopy]

:v

[stuck canopy]

i think they mightve forgotten that part

my apologies

[ivory bane]

flies accumulate vitality easily, but are pretty fragile even with it, so the idea of this action allows the fly to not waste vitality, since the factions gimmick is like

muliganning hp i guess

[stuck canopy]

hmmm so corpseflies are prioirty one

[ivory bane]

wildcallers, i would say

[stuck canopy]

still hard to deal with cuz sap strength is just automatic hit

[ivory bane]

it depends on the build

[ivory bane]

it wasnt the first time around but it was so weak i changed it xd

[stuck canopy]

it might just be my bad luck

[ivory bane]

i tried to make sure that there are multiple ways to play the house, and i think theres at least one way to play around each unit as the gimmick

[tawdry root]

oh, bullfrawg, if you want to test something I made that's actually done, check out rickertock
which is both in ye big homebrew folder and on the TTS (thanks eule)

[stuck canopy]

might be because deadsouls isnt a good matchup

i was building my fortress in that game :3

https://tenor.com/view/castle-castlevania-gif-26064257

[ivory bane]

Didnt test against deadsouls sadly

[stuck canopy]

no worries

still loved palying deadsouls anyways

pacifies the gorebabies

[stuck canopy]

ye i had a look at them but not gonna lie, the fact that they had no tokens turned me off (im a vain little shit) so i tried archive instead

[ivory bane]

main ways i see them played is

• flyball (stack flies and overwhelm the action economy)
• moth+bloodtrail (feed flies to mothman and bloodtrail to output high damage at range)
• discount goregrinders

discount goregrinders

2 gnatknights and lance of mocking decay

really funny

[tawdry root]

yeah but little guys

[lost bough]

Woah homebrew talk

[ivory bane]

i sadly dont remember if rickertock on tabletop is latest ver

[stuck canopy]

theya re the witch ones if i remember?

[stuck canopy]

ye, give this a look if ur down

[tawdry root]

Yeah, haunted witch scarecrows that turn into thralls on death

[ivory bane]

i still need to update the archive for umbral, but ever since i finished my finals i got into cyberpunk 2077 and get out of it only to make some tea

[stuck canopy]

wait theres 2 coven factions?

[tawdry root]

hah, no worries

[tawdry root]

Maybe!

[ivory bane]

coven is plant zombies, rickertock is scarecrows

[tawdry root]

I haven't actually updated Rickertock at all

Since as far as I know nobody has tested it

If somethin does change I'll let you know

[ivory bane]

covens key mechanic is overgrowth, which is integrated into corpses. if you hover a corpse and place 2 or 3, you will switch its states - coven mechanics

its another necrodruid house, but if wylderot is more about insects and animals, this one is more plant based

no art tho :<

[stuck canopy]

ye coven definitly needs some tokens is all to popularise it

Leshy's are always cool

[tawdry root]

Rickertock's gimmick is eating allies to fuel powerful ACTs with Harvest

And turning into thralls when killed for the first time

[stuck canopy]

NOW I REMEMBER

i vs'd one of rickertock

[tawdry root]

Oh! How'd it go?

[stuck canopy]

i mean this with utter and complete respect

Ghoulcore is broken

[tawdry root]

How so?

[stuck canopy]

absurdly so

u practically have 5 additional thralls

[tawdry root]

Mhm
The thralls themselves aren't especially hot stuff, but yes

[stuck canopy]

2 hp 5+ DF thrall with MV 4

with splash curse +debuff and Pins and needles

bastards are hard to kill

[tawdry root]

The debuff does murk the thrall but making them squishier is a fair idea
What were you playing?

[stuck canopy]

i was playing Carcass and a friend was playing abhorrers while the third was rickertock

[tawdry root]

Innnterestin

[stuck canopy]

the whole ghoulcore just kinda made it impossible

[tawdry root]

Hmmm
Making Soultickers less good is fair but I also don't want to devalue them so hard that you wouldn't take them alone in a build at all...

[stuck canopy]

reccomendations:

nerf movement down to 3, and nerf DF to 3+

[tawdry root]

fair call yeah

[stuck canopy]

and ghoulcore only makes 1 HP variants

[tawdry root]

Hmmm
You know what, that does actually work

[stuck canopy]

i would go one step further

they can only use Ghoulic Overclock if they are spawned by ghoulcore

turns them into suicide bombers

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-16205347759257346444

[tawdry root]

Mmm, maybe
But good to hear that it was too strong tbh, I was worried that the cannibal economy of Harvest would make the faction too anemic

Though probably will need more testin

How often Did the player use Harvest stuff? What was the build?

[stuck canopy]

it was worded weirdly

it says u have to kill an adjacent unit meaning you had to do it during the round

[tawdry root]

Right; it's part of the ACT

To do the ACT you murk a guy next to you

[stuck canopy]

does the unit merc them or is it as long as its dead

[stuck canopy]

the harvest stuff got lost in translation

[tawdry root]

The unit proccing Harvest is killing the ally during the ACT

[stuck canopy]

devouring form was way too much tho

[stuck canopy]

ye that is hard to pull off

mighta been easier to understand with "while adjacent to a corpse gain harvest and discard the corpse"

or something like that

less technical and momentum dont cease

[tawdry root]

That's just Spare Parts

[stuck canopy]

as a player i like when everything simplified

[tawdry root]

But yes the idea is that you are straight up killing an adjacent ally to use a Harvest ability

[stuck canopy]

thats my point, harvest is just a complicated version of spare parts

alternativly, maybe "attacking a target adjacent to a corpse procc harvest"

it allows u to procc harvest more constantly

[tawdry root]

Changing how Harvest triggers mixes up the entire idea of the faction, I'm afraid
I can word it more clearly, but

[stuck canopy]

and the idea of scarecrows hanging around corpse is creepy :3

[tawdry root]

The concept of Harvest is that the scarecrows are shredding each other to fuel doing big stuff with the scraps

[stuck canopy]

thats fine, homie its just rickertock definitly needs an overahul in some direction

u can get confused easily with it

[tawdry root]

Mmm. I'll make Soultickers (and thus by extension Ghoulcore) weaker and try to figure out how to make Harvest's wording more clear

[stuck canopy]

how it procc is my advice

maybe they need to end their move on the corpse or something

i dunno

i do like the theme

gives me Fiddlesticks vibes

https://tenor.com/view/fiddle-fiddlesticks-league-of-legends-video-game-approach-gif-16575416

[tawdry root]

lmao yeah
Fiddles and MTG's scarecrows are the big reference points

[stuck canopy]

if u ever do rehaul having a sort of mark (similiar to doom) which proccs one use of ahrvest

or if u jsut wanna slightly change it

maybe having a unit slain whether it be yours or your enemies killed by one of ur units gives a harvest token

translation:

one of ur unit dies: recieve harvest token

one of ur units kills another unit: gain a token

kicker is

slaying ur own unit with another allied unit:

2 tokens

[tawdry root]

Hmm hmm. I'll get some more testing and see if the current idea just isn't gonna work

But if it doesn't, we'll see

[stuck canopy]

im just an idea-man >:3

but rewarding shredding ur own units is super cool

and it makes more sense of the ghoulcore (with the mentioend changes ofcourse)

[tawdry root]

Yeah, the idea is that you kill your own guys but you still have A Guy after killing them (and then you can kill that one too. as a treat)

[stuck canopy]

"as a treat"

same feeling as having a sneaky chocolate

https://tenor.com/view/treat-yo-self-treat-yourself-parks-and-rec-gif-3565468

[tawdry root]

sacrificial double-dipping

there's a reason soultickers get Last Shriek as an upgrade!

[stuck canopy]

one thing

ghoulcore thralls cannot gain a soul

that was the other broken bit

[tawdry root]

Correct, yes

You only get a Soul the first time something dies

[stuck canopy]

ye we made sure t cut any misunderstanding cuz it was clear in the form

since they arent the same unit

so if the document is taken at face value, theres nothing stopping ur from getting a 2 soul

so maybe sneak it in to the ghoulcore meaning

[tawdry root]

I thought it was tbh

[stuck canopy]

lemem doublecheck

i been wrong before

[tawdry root]

Nah, you're right, it's not explicit where it should be

as in, it's correct RAW (units don't give a second Soul for dying again, which soultickers count as)

but easy to misinterpret

if your opponent was doubledipping soul no wonder it was horrifying

[stuck canopy]

thing is

that wasnt the horrifying part

we made a house rule the second we saw rickertock

so she didnt get to doubledip thank god

[tawdry root]

o7

Yeah that's not intended

[stuck canopy]

also need a personal opinion

Barghests are gonna be diesalpunk mechs and was wondering what type i should do

ive got 3 base references

[tawdry root]

If you're drawing from WW1 aesthetical shit...

could cop a vibe from the Gutterman in Ultrakill

also Bioshock's Big Daddies, in the same vein

[stuck canopy]

Nah, zeitlos is more diesalpunk

Their tyrant is a literal zeppelin 🤌

[tawdry root]

Fair nuff!

Galvaniza is a bunch of tesla coil ghoul freak cultists

And Rickertock is, well, haunted junk scarecrows

[stuck canopy]

Oh wait I also have the duchess reference

But more ballon than steel

[tawdry root]

the Electric Maiden is a person encased in a hovering iron maiden-equse shell

ampolytes are robed little LEDheaded ghouls, Schismatics are engineer-cultists in welder masks and a huge battery built into their back, Conduits are hooded mechanicus looking buggers with inbuilt speakers, and Surgents are fried hovering corpses with a generator in their chest and shackled limbs

[stuck canopy]

Mechanicus, gotcha XD

[tawdry root]

Conduits lean into it the most, everybody else is more scrappy than that

[stuck canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-adeptus-mechanicus-belisarius-cawl-archmagos-imperium-gif-27602042

[tawdry root]

yeah lmao

[stuck canopy]

time to doodle big boi

[stuck canopy]

how broken would it be for a scion to be 2x2?

[lost bough]

Very

Also really hard to design maps in account for

Since people could be running 3 2x2 Units

[tawdry root]

4 actually if you still have a tyrant

[lost bough]

Yeah

[tawdry root]

I wouldn't do it

[stuck canopy]

fair point

Barghest unit placeholder

[tawdry root]

big guy

[stuck canopy]

not sure on the visible pilot but ah well

[stuck canopy]

gotta be big if wanna protect the homies >;3

they are the papabears of trenchfoots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lkuhjleaOQ

Barghest life

[undone sorrel]

I realise I don't think I posted this faction here oops
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11fkBENFRROf4N-cU6IuJxxD1cJKzf6u0jBBDnN-Cf8o/edit?usp=sharing

[stuck canopy]

Staubtruber placeholder doodle done

[ivory bane]

I love it....... 😮

Why placeholder tho? Seems pretty good to me, even if needs some shading

[stuck canopy]

because when i have time to copy the art style i can redo it and give it some love

i just do these on my lil coffee breaks

tho i might want ur opinion

@ivory bane

should the necromancer (Baron) be a waifu or a husbando?

[ivory bane]

Tough choice

I think a husbando might be cliché for the aesthetic youve chosen

Thinking gunther from scythe and such

Id personally go with an andro design but uhhhh thats because i always do that lmao

[stuck canopy]

hmmm

maybe

and if worse comes to worse i can just make two versions like u did with mosquito squad

will give the male one the ciaphas cain look

[ivory bane]

Alfabusa ciaphas look or? :p

[stuck canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/ciaphas-cain-warhammer40k-gif-24974202

U know it

[ivory bane]

Mhm!

[stuck canopy]

Thinking the female is more aristocratic and strategic with a nice revolver

[ivory bane]

A revolver shot could be a fun 1 soul ability 🤔

[ivory bane]

Thats sorta the problem, sadly

People in my experience dont seem to like playing factions with no fancy tokens

I am kinda proud that i made one of the first homebrew factions that had full art to them

I think archive was actually the first
I should ask the creator tbh

[tawdry root]

😔

[stuck canopy]

wanna feel like a special snowflake :3

[stuck canopy]

archive?

[stuck canopy]

nah soul abilities is already done

the first soul ability is telling a sniper somewhere to take a shot if someone moves

[ivory bane]

Red bag on the tts, the archive

[tawdry root]

Figuring out Soul ACTs for Galvaniza really is kicking my ass

I've beaten Voltage and Extolling as a mechanic to do stuff with to death, so these are mostly just gonna be thematic things

But I'm absolutely dry on more thematic things to do with lightning, cyborgs and cult fervor :P

[stuck canopy]

i reccomend fully balancing everything before getting to upgrades

galvanzina is pretty broken right now

[tawdry root]

Most of the balance stuff brought up I'm ruling as 'can't know until actually tested'

And there's no testin till the necro is done

[stuck canopy]

oh no im aware just asking if that was th first

[ivory bane]

To my knowledge at least, yes

[tawdry root]

I might be able to contest that claim with rickertock but it's hard to say

[ivory bane]

I think as far as people around me are aware, archive was the first ever, wylderot was the second, then its messy

[flint lily]

I should show all my temp art here

[ivory bane]

Sure!

[flint lily]

I will need to get home because I only have the necromancer

[ivory bane]

I like the design :3

[flint lily]

They are Bloodborn + Ultrakill + the mechanicus combined.

[ivory bane]

@stuck canopy i want to diversify wildcallers portfolio by giving them more function than just fly spam, think this will help?

[stuck canopy]

What was the original?

Need to compare functionality

[ivory bane]

The logic here is to shift focus from children of the swarm

One way to completely kill flyballing imo would be to remove the swarmling trait, but i dont think its that strong of a strategy universally

[stuck canopy]

Hmmmmmm thing is it makes to wild-caller ignore it’s roll as a freak

[tawdry root]

I don't know if giving it a new offensive tool is quite the answer that's true

[stuck canopy]

Ye

You have practically made the wild-caller even more powerful and also have made it ignore the role of a support which all freaks are

[ivory bane]

True, but I am unsure on what the third ability should be

[stuck canopy]

Hmmmmm

[ivory bane]

It has a summon and a debuff. A simple give-token buff could fit, but I think it will offset the economy too much

Adverse terrain generation?

As base

And damage as upgrade

[stuck canopy]

Adverse terrain generation feels like ur plugging weaknesses

In my biased opinion it would make wild-caller extremely hard to get to

[ivory bane]

Hmmm, true

[stuck canopy]

If ur looking for a new tool

Perhaps “Feast Swam” might be good

[ivory bane]

The problem is that the ability needs to be useful, so I am looking at the aspects the faction lacks currently, so you could shift focus from its role as a summoner

[stuck canopy]

Feast Swarm: basically an ability that allows you to repurpose your corspeflies into something more supportive

[ivory bane]

Hmm?

[stuck canopy]

While I understand u wanna diversify, freaks usually have 2 abilities that are focused on their gimmick and one that is more or less an alternative option for their gimmick

[ivory bane]

Freaks actually have 3

Horrors and Hunters have 2

[stuck canopy]

U misunderstand

[ivory bane]

Oh, yea, i misread that

Mhm

[stuck canopy]

What u need is something to repurpose corpseflies

Convert them into tokens or an effect for teammates or something else

[ivory bane]

Maybe some more "obliterate ally" but this time for a buff of sorts? 🤔

This way all 3 "forest" units get some sort of "sacrifice ally" mechanic

feels thematically appropriate

Potentially broken, but since we are brainstorming
Obliterate ally to gain a soul? 🤔

Since the faction struggles with souls even more than abhorrers

[stuck canopy]

Mmmmnah, it’s definitely gotta be something else

[ivory bane]

Okie

[stuck canopy]

Straight up receiving souls without death is always broken

Does wylderot suffer from covering ground?

[ivory bane]

Oh no-no, it is with death. You kill an ally unit, then gain a soul.

[stuck canopy]

That just means more corpsefly spam

[ivory bane]

That is true

[stuck canopy]

Which u wanted to avoid

[ivory bane]

mhm....

I am sorry, I rarely bring an idea I need help with that is so early in dev

[ivory bane]

As in?

[stuck canopy]

Getting up close

Like the gnat knights

[ivory bane]

Does wylderot suffer when you get up close, or does it struggle with getting up close?

[stuck canopy]

The second

[ivory bane]

Its a mixed answer on both

Gnat knights, flies and mothman easily gets up close and often want to be up close, while wildcaller and hunter kinda struggle with it majorly

[stuck canopy]

Hmmmmm

This may be broken but maybe

[ivory bane]

actually, speaking roughly, as they are now
Gnats need to be upclose
WIldcaller and bloodtrail need to be as far as possible
Mothman and flies are ambivalent and have different uses up close and far

[stuck canopy]

An ability that converts a corpsefly within a certain range to become a hazard?

Like create swarm nest or something

Ur still spamming corspeflies but ur repurposing them

Or just adverse terrain maybe

[ivory bane]

I think thats nice, but I think a single hazard is a bit too weak for the cost that is potential a potential 2 hp difference

[stuck canopy]

True

Ngl u dug ur self into a hole with this unit but we shall try to dig it out

[ivory bane]

It all comes down to math, kinda
A fly is either +1 hp to your calculation, or -0 (you pay 1 to create it, but it has 0, so net 0), but then it attacks and deals 1 damage, tipping hp scale 1 into your favor

[ivory bane]

Its not really that much of a hole tbh, its just a bit one-sided

If you think it actually needs a nerf, then making the fly activate only on next round would be fine

But this kinda blines it into the strategy of eating flies up for abilities, while I think using them offensively should still be a valid option

[stuck canopy]

Personally ye, but that’s just my biased opinion built on corpsefly ptsd

[ivory bane]

To be fair that person misread the rules xd

[stuck canopy]

Still the straight up activation on spawn coupled with mourning, ooof

[ivory bane]

Even if it wasnt getting obliterated on using that action, the fly would not have vitality anyway

the upgrade is just like

"gain 1 vitality, then resolve the effect"

but the effect in question is

"give all your tokens to a target in range"

which includes the vit you just got

its meant to be a buff for converting summoned flies into vitality, since this way they can do so turn 1

[stuck canopy]

What about buffing adjacent units with speed tokens

[ivory bane]

Oh yea theres no speed in this faction at all

[stuck canopy]

Like swarm-walk or something

[ivory bane]

I wanted to avoid it tho, since they already have pretty mobile units

[stuck canopy]

Hmmmmm

No speed, gotcha

Strength is a no-go because u can just make corpseflies that much more powerful

Neither is vitality

[ivory bane]

hmm?

[stuck canopy]

Rot the earth is too powerful but song of decay is decent

[ivory bane]

Rot the earth allows to extract vitality off the fly before it gets killed

[tawdry root]

I think it works personally

[ivory bane]

just in case

[stuck canopy]

What’s feed the soil do again?

[ivory bane]

the idea is that corpseflies can stock up on vitality and then poof out of existence and give vit to somebody more useful

The problem is that I actually never ever ended up using it

Since the flies never manage to live long enough to actually stock up

This would provide some indirect use to it

should sap strength be an on hit....

[stuck canopy]

Hmmmm that actually makes sense

U turn corpseflies into Uber eats

[ivory bane]

oh yeah just in case
wylderot was sitting on exact 50/50 in terms on win/loss rate

2 wins, 1 draw, 2 losses

Then I nerfed it heavily

[stuck canopy]

Ye that was our house rule

[ivory bane]

Removed armor off flies and gnat knights (flies had physical armor!)

Now last time somebody reached out to me about the faction, they told me they lost every single game xd

but i genuinely think it was just a skill issue since they misread how the gnat knight works

[ivory bane]

Sure, ill add that in

[ivory bane]

In that case Ill keep rot the earth as is 🤔

Especially since flies gaining vit is now not a guaranteed effect

[stuck canopy]

Ye

Sap strength will still get graze so still good

1 damage guarenteed

[ivory bane]

mhm

But now you NEED to actually hit to use the bloodprice

[stuck canopy]

Ye

You’ve managed to give corpseflies an additional function rather than flies go boom

I like

[ivory bane]

@stuck canopy
how clear is this? replaced "no friendly fire" upgrade for sap strength with miyasis too

[stuck canopy]

Honestly with all the changes and having sap strength be melee attack

I think it’s justified having their defence be 3+

[ivory bane]

Sure
Is miyasis fine?

[stuck canopy]

That’s perfect

Remember to add the attack tag

[ivory bane]

I think ill keep it at 2+, but if you ever want to test it with 3+, let me know how it goes

[stuck canopy]

Sure, sent the changes to my wylderot fren

[ivory bane]

ill upload the update today, i just want to get an answer from the archive creator on whether or not they want any links included in the update

[stuck canopy]

Question

If I finish the placeholder doodles, think I might be able to squeeze in Zeitlos?

It’s practically playable

[ivory bane]

On the tts?

[stuck canopy]

Ye

[ivory bane]

You dont even have to finish them, i have generic placeholders too

[stuck canopy]

Or should I have the art completely done first?

Oh

[ivory bane]

I can just add whatever art you already did and have the missing ones be supplemented with generic placeholders

[stuck canopy]

Actually I’ll hold off

I like having everything done and clean

[ivory bane]

example given

[stuck canopy]

New house with spiffy tokens right outta the box

[ivory bane]

If you want anything like token art, hit me up

[stuck canopy]

Nah I got that covered XD

But thanks for the offer

Just gotta follow the style of the other tokens

Their colour is definitely gonna be sand yellow

Maybe with black bases tho

But that’s for when it’s done

[ivory bane]

i wanted generic placeholders to be more abstract since it needs to fit different factions without breaking your head too much

[stuck canopy]

All I have left is placeholder doodle for morserteam, baron, trench tiles and sand-gas tokens

[ivory bane]

But the white and black+accents makes them fit fine even despite the abstractness

[stuck canopy]

I mean like the colouring and comic book shading

[ivory bane]

mhm, i get it

i am just saying while my placeholders look like this xd

[stuck canopy]

Ooooh

[ivory bane]

Oh, btw, did anyone here play with sellswords or nah?

[stuck canopy]

The one with gnomes?

[ivory bane]

sellsword rules are made by the creator of the archive faction, i just felt inspired and made mercs of my own to go along with it when i decided to add it to the tts

so yea the gnomes

[stuck canopy]

Opened up and there were only red and blue caps

Are they their own faction or a supplement?

[ivory bane]

this page explains it

[stuck canopy]

Ok so they are supplement units

[ivory bane]

mhm

[stuck canopy]

Nah never played, only skimmed