MALEGHAST HOMEBREW

[supple venture]

im playing with my friend later today and they arent totally new, they've done a match and we talk about maleghast a lot

[eager dove]

well game is pretty easy to understand and you'd ideally want your house to be playable by a beginner

[supple venture]

true

yeah hell with it i'll playtest

with them

[eager dove]

have fun

make notes

[supple venture]

i will

i will

i think they're going abhorrers which will be good for me

[eager dove]

it's only science if you make notes

[supple venture]

need to see if the neuromongers' ability to fuck with tokens ends up invalidating holy bodies

we'll see

[eager dove]

i'd ask your friend first just to make sure

explain it's early testing

[hollow vine]

maybe play a regular game first then a homebrew one if you can?

[ivory bane]

Btw if anyone wants their homebrew stuff included on the tabletop sim, feel free to hit me up

[supple venture]

i think i'll do that actually

that way they're warmed up

[kind fox]

Im also thinking that for my plantnecromancers that their overgrowth mechanic only spreads from the Necromancer and the Thralls, and all the more tough units just gain benefits from being in it, like healing and strength and the like

This way you only have to kill chaff or the main objective to weaken the rest of the force

And this way im not slapping an aoe heal on like a tyrant

[eager dove]

i do think if you're gonna have a freak in faction they can probably get something

since support is their thing

though if necro is support maybe no freak

[kind fox]

Ive got Thralls, Scion, Horror, Freak and Tyrant

And yeah my plan for the Freak is to mayhaps be support, how im not sure yet. The goal being to have your thralls run out and die, as they do, create overgrowth for the others to advance with

[leaden cypress]

Alright

I wrote a custom house. its mostly lore as writing mechanics takes longer and I just thought of it

working name: House Usuraine

Concept: Bankers and Wall Street brokers of Souls who worship a Mad God of Time and Fate

Gameplay idea: Can bet units in order to do powerful options, but failing a bet means a big loss; time and destiny powers

[floral cargo]

Ooo that is cool

[eager dove]

i'm tossing around an idea for a house focussed on secrets and spy shit

vampiric in nature they're a library that lends out secrets and takes them back

[tawdry root]

lie-eaters

[eager dove]

some sort of stealth or silence effects

[tawdry root]

Librarian secret-inquistors that drain knowledge is a sick vibe

[leaden cypress]

its like the Dimir

from MTG

[floral cargo]

Ooo yeah

[eager dove]

idea started as spy vampires and evolved from there

their undead are raised through blood tainted with secrets even death does not wish to know

[tawdry root]

maybe you could have some sort of 'knowledge' token you gain and spend

[eager dove]

and their elite agents were living beings who underwent the same process

had an idea for their fast moving unit being someone who failed to become one of the agents and is now just a shadow

[tawdry root]

Funky

Memory of a memory

[eager dove]

do need to actually sit down and right it all out at some point

[tawdry root]

It's a level of abstraction and conceptual fuckery that I really like

[eager dove]

house sitting all weekend so might do then

[ivory bane]

I personally had an idea for an insect themed house but i think people tossed it up before anyway

[eager dove]

positive for you negative for the opponent

but you some effects let you remove it from the opponent hmm

[tawdry root]

I mean, sure, but that doesn't mean you can't do it

[ivory bane]

Maybe if i get actual ideas besides crawleys

[peak zodiac]

I'm nearly done with the basics of a house based on a sort of medieval knightly order (pic is up there ^). I'd've gone into more detail but I spent a good while on it and passed out immediately afterward 😓

It uses Honor, which units gain/lose in a few ways (killing a unit 👍, defending your necro aka being used for bodyblock 👍, destroying a corpse 👎, creating hazards 👎) and forces enemies to play honorably - which keeps the knights in check - or stick to their own house strategies and let the knights build power.

[ivory bane]

Is there a benefit for the knights in losing honor?

[peak zodiac]

Current mechanic is: +1D when attacking a unit with less Honor; -1D when attacking a unit with more Honor

So you only stand to gain if you have more Honor

[eager dove]

is the opponent penalized for attacking a unit with more honour?

[peak zodiac]

Yes, -1D

(I am terrified this is a dumb and over-complicated mechanic lol)

[eager dove]

wasn't sure if it'd be something that'd only apply to the house or not

since they would care about honour

[peak zodiac]

Right, they introduce the mechanic to all units in play, and force opponents to either split their strategy to keep them in check, or risk giving the knights that +1D

Lore is they're an ancient order that's reemerged due to Hell Pit Time Shenanigans and they're pissed at all these Young Upstarts for being too liberal with necromancy. The "back in my day" house.

"Thorn" (as in the Order of the Thorn) is the working name, but it's short and not Metal™ enough so I dunno

[ivory bane]

I think the knights should have ways of losing honor too

It would be semi pointless if they didnt, but also the mechanic counteracts hard key feature of igorri, potentially making the matchup unfun unless knights could be countered in some specifuc ways

[ivory bane]

Depends on what kind of metal you want

[peak zodiac]

These days all I want to listen to is Sleep Token, but that's not the right vibe for these guys

[tawdry root]

I just blatantly stepped out of metal territory for my house's vibes

[peak zodiac]

That's a good point. I had included a few ACT abilities that essentially give the opponent a choice between Honor or some other benefit, and if they take the Honor then the knights gain a small benefit too. So, sort of the opposite solution: more opportunities for opponent to gain Honor. But ultimately you're right, the Knight's honor should be a bit more fragile...

[tawdry root]

Soundtrack:
Korn - Kidnap The Sandy Claws
Arc System Works - Alone Infection
Heaven Pierce Her - Castle Vein

[ivory bane]

Guilty gear ost
Ultrakill ost

[hollow vine]

i had ultrakill for a little while but it just didn't quite mesh

[floral cargo]

I still like what I did for the Cryptik playlist

[hollow vine]

i do have a cyberpunk song on there

[floral cargo]

Sound Track
Celldweller: End Of An Empire
SWARM: Alpha and Omega
Bring Me The Horizon: Parasite Eve

[ivory bane]

I think it could be a fun narrative and gameplay dynamic if knights had some dishonourable actions that tgey can take for momentary benefit

So commiting to a knightly oath is a choice

Adds build variety

Like hey, maybe you want to play quihotic knights that are fucking cowards and duck behind corpses hoping they dont get hit

"hide under a corpse" thats like, idk, eat a corpse action, get vitality maybe, stuff like that

[tawdry root]

I still need to playtest my haunted scarecrows But I am now possessed with thoughts about tesla coil ghouls again

they are now perhaps also fanatical cultists that worship the idea of being able to ascend into beings of pure energy

[floral cargo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtbct2jzLBU&pp=ygUWR29vZCBsaWNrLCB5b3VyIGZ1Y2tlZA%3D%3D

Would have used this but its got a bad word in the title

[tawdry root]

I mean

Does that actually matter

[floral cargo]

Nah but end of an empire also probably fits a bit better thematically I just really like this one

[tawdry root]

I have nothing else for these guys yet
But I do have the soundtrack

Dancefloor Is Lava - Why Oh You Are L.O.V.E
Keygen Church - UltraChurch
Femtanyl - GIRL HELL 1999

[floral cargo]

Girl hell 😌

[peak zodiac]

Hmm, that's a good thought! At this point tho I'm struggling to merge the mechanical Honor concept with thematic Honorable actions. Like, what else could a unit do in the game that would be dishonorable? Even if it's a twisted sense of necromancer honor. What I don't want too much of is Honor just being generated out of nowhere, I want as you've said, for it to be a choice

[peak zodiac]

The Horror unit presently is the Rook, which does flybys and can "roost" in corpses, granting cover, provoking enemies to destroy the corpse dishonorably

[supple venture]

okay so it turns out already

carcass is a fucking nightmare for neuromongers

AoE fire damage from egis + not a lot of tokens to manipulate on the enemies + gunwights ignoring armor

[tawdry root]

rip

[ivory bane]

I am sorry, i have no idea :<

[supple venture]

well good to know

[ivory bane]

I just had a concept for a homebrew house pop up but i have no ideas even for them outside of vague concepts xd

There were some plant necromancer concepts, and i am thinking of some beastly druud necros instead

[peak zodiac]

My dumb ideas are not your burden, my friend 😔

[supple venture]

how it

's going:

literally wiped my entire offensive line on the way in

BUT! that's fine

bad matchups exist

and so do lucky rolls

[ivory bane]

An idea was maybe summoning insect swarms as tokens, or, idk, shapeshifting?
Problem is, shapeshifting needs to be separate both fron stances and mutation as they are factional mechanics

Swarm tokens sound a lot like plague tho

Another bit is maybe focusing on the wrath of nature, but it treads into goregrinders T.T

Marking enemies for hunting sounds like deadsouls but annoying

My personal favorite archetypes are things that are tanky and summoners, so i am pondering how bad of an idea would it be to try and do that

Creating units during a battle does sound hard to balance

[tawdry root]

I did my faction based around like, units spawning a Thrall when they die

[supple venture]

yeah okay i think neuromongers are going to need a retool or i'm gonna have to run this back and see if the issue was my gameplan. because carcass literally killed all of my units before i could do anything
i killed a grand total of 2 gunwights before egis weapon and barrelform happened

[tawdry root]

Hmm

I wish thee luck

[supple venture]

i expected carcass to be a problem

but not like

"you just lose" problem

[ivory bane]

Do you people think it might work? Maybe sacrifice hp to create some weak/temporary(?) units

[tawdry root]

Really depends I think

Maleghast is a very tight and fast-moving game on a pretty small scale

[ivory bane]

Mhm

Summoning in general is also hard to balance

And there are not that many examples of it being done in wargames since it requires you to have minis dor what you summon

Which suddenly becomes very expensive

[supple venture]

running it back with a different gameplan

[supple venture]

i think you should at least try to make a faction around that and if it doesn't work out during testing or just doesn't feel like it'll work then you can still take what you learned into making a different faction later

[ivory bane]

[supple venture]

gunwights and egis are the problem here i am realizing

lots of AP + big aoe = Bad

[tawdry root]

That's the case for most factions, really

[supple venture]

it's especially bad because mongers move in clumps and their frontliners are armor not HP dependent

my horror keeps eating shit immediately

which sucks because the horror is like, Damage Dealer

it may also be that mongers are not good at a "one of everything" mockup

but this is all based on just one game where i got rolled

i am currently doing a second game where i am getting rolled

[ivory bane]

Maybe give them something that interacts with ranged attacks?

Like shieldwall from carcass

[supple venture]

maybe

i think this might genuinely just be a "you need a specific anti-carcass list for this faction" type deal

carcass just is everything that beats mongers

which is alright

i am more accepting of it having played this second match

i definitely could win if i removed a braniac, maybe an extra sentinel or two, maybe nix the drones as well in favor of another razor or sentinel

utility in spreading and yanking tokens is not useful against a faction that does not generate very many tokens

it would be more useful if there was an ammo goblin but they are not using an ammo goblin

[supple venture]

i'll be testing more tomorrow. hopefully carcass was just a bad matchup - i would much rather that than it ends up being the concept isn't effective

sorry to be using this channel like a sounding board i think it just helps my brain to think it out through text

[hollow vine]

there's a difference between goregrinders struggles with armour so finds abhorrers tough and getting straight up wiped, things can be a bad match up but some mitigation tools aren't unwelcome there either

[supple venture]

yeah

im gonna wait to rebalance anything until after i test the rest of the factions

(abhorrers, grinders, igorri)

i may also test deadsouls but i don't feel the need to test mox

i am very sure that mox will be very difficult for the mongers

though i may still do so

we'll see

[hollow vine]

mox is fairly immune to having their negative tokens flipped back on them yeah

other than slow

which compared to say grinders they still don't mind as much

[supple venture]

it's also that infect/hazards disrupt the moving-in-groups gimmick of the neuromongers

[hollow vine]

yeah

[supple venture]

and toxic damage ignores armor

[eternal flame]

grinders might be an interesting matchup now that they have a bit more fire damage in their kit

[supple venture]

yeah

we shall see

[eternal flame]

i don't think they really tend to stockpile a lot of tokens other than the painwheels' speed

[supple venture]

this is also true, which is why i'm curious

mongers do very well at close range but i don't know that they do as well as grinders now that they have more ways around armor

i mean, is there a world where i end up having to entirely redo the faction mechanics? yes

it's unlikely but yes

and if that happens so be it

i have some other ideas i could substitute in

but i'm keeping the faction lore and theming and everything

[hollow vine]

it's good lore and theming and everything

honestly i think everything should only need some tweaks, adjustments to ranges is probably the big thing

[supple venture]

yeah

the thing im realizing as i think about it is like

grinders obviously don't do fantastic against carcass, it's one of their worse matchups, but from what i've seen it usually isn't a "you lose your army by the time you're able to start your offense" level of bad

mongers lack the survivability of grinders inherently

even if they have armor, and even if they generally have more standard defense values

i'm not saying this means i need to change that aspect but i think that is part of why they got uberfucked by carcass, because carcass has ways to get around both of those

but this is speculatory at best

[ivory bane]

Homebrewing house concepts
Theme: druids on contract with beelzebub

Gimmick: Bloodprice. Deal 1 damage to self or adjacent ally to trigger an additional effect. Ignores armor but not vitality

Thrall - Corpsefly
1 HP, leaves no corpse and no soul on death, doesnt block enemy movement
Gains vitality every time it attacks. Bloodprice: splash self damage foes
May kill itself to give its vitality to allies in range

Scion - Gnatknight
Flies and steps before attack, with bloodprice may step after attack
Push and gain vitality

Hunter - Bloodtrail
Long range archer
Bloodprice to roll more dice.
Deal 1 devil damage to an ally. If it kills them, increase of the main attack damage by 1.

Freak - Wildcaller
Summons corpseflies with blood price.
Ranged curse: 1 weakness, bloidprice: splash target 1 weakness

Tyrant: Mothman
Flies
Gains 1 strength every time someone else uses bloodprice in range
Create 1 adverse terrain in range 3+ - 2, 5+ - 3 bloodprice: repeat once
Splash self 1 damage, then push. Bloodprice: damage type is curse instead
Obliterate adjacent ally to deal devil damage to enemy. On kill, summon a corpsefly.

Need thoughts of actually smart people before doing anything

[peak zodiac]

Well I love that it's mothman

On paper, to a not-smart person, they seem... fragile? Like if they're hurting themselves, the opponent will be able to make short work of them. The summons would have to be very good about tipping the scales back.

The corpseflies have a weird interaction with Bloodprice I'm struggling to define

A fresh one attacks, gains vitality. Next turn it's still alive so it attacks again and pays Bloodprice to burn its vitality and splash damage. Now it has no need to kill itself cuz it has no vit to share. It has to attack again on turn 3 in order to gain another, and then kill itself on turn 4 to be able to share just 1 vit. Even if it doesn't pay Bloodprice, the most it's gonna get to share by killing itself is 1 vit on round 2 and 2 on round 3. With 1 hp and several allies eager to kill it for various reasons - will it even last that long?

[short fossil]

Corpsefly
You can just say "obliterated on death" i think, for the same effect (no corpse and no soul). This is a pretty hefty low-power cost, as Thralls typically give 2 souls, and these give none. The mechanic is def fun, but would probably want some extra strengths to help balance out the "loss" of 2 souls

Gnatknight
this is pretty broad so no real balance comments, but could definitely do something interesting with conditional flight! Might make sense to make the flight part of bloodprice

Bloodtrail
Seems solid and cool to me, probably just need to specify range for the devil damage so the player has to consider their choices. Also, stuff that kills allies tends to give strong bonuses, so you could even make it like "next attack ignores armor and deals +1 damage" or something! (the chopdoc is a solid reference for this, as it kills an ally and grants 2 of each token, which is wild)

Wildcaller
Now I understand the corpseflies thing lmao. You can, if you wanted, specify that corpseflies summoned this way dont have soul (like the gargamox's mox populi soul ability). I will say, as is, taking 2 Wildcallers is gonna be pretty strong, and replacing those Thralls with an extra wildcaller is a solid no-brainer, since on their first turn you can just summon two thralls, then again each round after. It, of course, will be heavily influenced by how much HP wildcallers have and how easy their access to vitality is, but just somethin to keep in mind
Also splash weak is massive, probably not broken, tbh, but strong

Mothman
Should have a million health hes mothman.
that can be a lot of adverse terrain, which isnt bad, but just something to consider in just how players need to track things. adding 6 adverse terrain is some crazy map control, especially on an 8 or 6 wide board
I like being able to choose damage type

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AHxYPnogdY4ibzj5s2R4uqC4c97qbRa2LdYNzM724Bw/edit?usp=sharing made a house 🤝 would love to know how its broken! unfinished, cowboy vibes

[peak zodiac]

Yee haw

Bounty is 👌, Liminal Moments is very neat, in all I'd be terrified to go up against these

I like how desperado doesn't have a liminal moment action, but still capitalizes on the mechanic

[short fossil]

thank you! very kind words

[stark lance]

These are all awesome!

Love me some necromancers. I think I've got an idea for a house. Some deserty skeleton vibe inspired by the Tomb Kings from warhammer fantasy/scourge necromancer from guild wars 2

[stark lance]

I'm still working on the actual units, but I have a first draft of the special tags/mechanics done. If anyone has time to take a look, much appreciated

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TzDgm5ezdvKT9SaJWaJ9tjnY-rQObuI0VXJ-mIAPFSo/edit?usp=sharing

[eager dove]

I think being entirely immune to hazards as a faction might be polarising

[stark lance]

Hmm. Good point. I’ll take another look at the hazard rules and see if I can rejig it. Though might help that the necromancer and the thrall won’t have that tag

[haughty ocean]

Has anyone written an electric kind of frankenstein-like homebrew house?

[eager dove]

@tawdry root was bouncing around something like

[haughty ocean]

I was thinking about writing one in that flavor and didn't want to copy anyone's work

[eager dove]

But I think it was more lightning cultists

[haughty ocean]

I was inspired by this Warhammer Underworlds warband

I just like the aesthetic of zombies with tesla coils and cables

And they could have a mechanic similar to infect but that builds a network of connected allies

[ivory bane]

The original idea was that it gets vitality for every enemy it damages but i thought its too strong

[ivory bane]

Taking 2 wildcallers is pretty strong

Yea kinda. Need to zhink of a way to make it more of a choice. I wanted corpseflies to be extremely weak and almost a resource, less so a proper unit, but maleghast likes giving you multiple build opportunities, and having a swarm of flies should have a value of its own 🤔

Maybe give corpseflies 2 hp, but created ones only start with 1?

[ivory bane]

Heres what i cooked up so far. Not sure if anyone here needs actual unique passive traits or are they fine as they are.
Swarmlings make your damage units huddle your more alive units, or, say, necro and tyrant
A lot of mobility and control
A lot of physical armor, not that much magical armor to denote that they burn good
A lot of vitality but vitality gets spent fast to fuel abilities

[floral cargo]

The freak lets you create souls

Which is a bit insane

Oh wait nvm

[ivory bane]

nope

[floral cargo]

Yeah missed that they were obliterated

[ivory bane]

I thought of changing that and saying that the summonned corpseflies just have no soul

but unsure

[floral cargo]

The Expelled
The Expelled are promising students of the arcane cast out of their colleges and apprenticeships for consorting demons and performing the black sacrament. The velvet mind being a particularly prolific recruiter among those devils which lead students off the path. They often come to the city eventually, with all their other options exhausted, to continue their studies among their fellows. The Expelled combine the baleful magic of death and souls granted by the black sacrament with Evokation, an energetic magic granted by the study and binding of stars.

Probably needs more meat but faction concept here

[eager dove]

what's the mechanical kick

the je ne sais quoi

[ivory bane]

ooo

i could imagine them with a second currency thats kinda like soul and fuels evokations

[stark lance]

How about taking damage due to hazards does not cause you to lose Vitality tokens?

[stark lance]

I reckon it's functionally similar but still allows for interaction

[tawdry root]

I did in fact have a similar idea but hadn't put anything on paper yet
Important thing to remember is that it's alright for two people to make something similar in a homebrew space

[eager dove]

how nuts is a token that deals a damage of undecided damage type after the opponent performs an act then removes itself?

spitballing ways to create a silence effect that aren't utterly oppressive in concept

[tawdry root]

Could be interestin

[eager dove]

thinking each unit starts with it on them and they gain a positive effect and then the opponent gets that effect when it's on them

but each unit only ever generates one it just returns to them when the opponent removes it

[stark lance]

So it's meant to make an opponent reluctant to perform that action? Would you classify it by move/act?

[eager dove]

definitely more in favour of it just being act

[ivory bane]

btw, some people in my head plague me to add homebrew stuff to the tts table, so if anyone wants it for like ease of playtest, once again, just hit me up

[eager dove]

the intent is to discourage the opponent from performing ACTs yeah though

[ivory bane]

i think if you want it to be a silence effect, disabling all acts in that way is kinda strong

You could specify say effects or curses or whatever

[eager dove]

restricting it to certain types of acts is also an option

[tawdry root]

I'd love to but I've got no art nor placeholder stuff for my roster

[ivory bane]

eh ill figure something out
I could cook up some generic icons for each class

Something abstract but itll work for testing

[peak zodiac]

Nice! Fast little buggers. Love that you have to kill them with fire.

[ivory bane]

I am still debating if that a good idea

it feels fun on paper but might be unfun to play against

[peak zodiac]

Haha fair but at least it's thematic

[floral cargo]

@ivory bane
Sidereal tokens:
Charm and Strange tokens that cancel each other out, no inherent effects but you lose one any time you take an ACT with alignment

Alignment: ACTs with alignment have additional effects depending on if they are Charm or Strange. Some alignments may require more than one token currently on the unit to trigger

They are a ranged magic damage faction that use the alignment mechanic to increase their adaptability

Sidereal tokens function both as a mana system, and also a weird army building tool

[eager dove]

interesting fr

[floral cargo]

And yes I named them after the forbidden quarks

Charm Evokation: Hot,Sanguine and Choleric, Extravagant
Strange Evokation: Cold, Phlegmatic and Melancholic, Utilitarian

Based on the quarks

They are on the “High Fantasy Lich” juice aesthically

They are kinda like the Abhorrorers where a lot of the bullshit their units do isn’t actually necromancy magic its a weird other thing

[tawdry root]

oh I never uhhh
Here!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kIP4X29w1Lu7eCSQck5vYeLKplaQ_Gv3ruhxqdB_4d4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[peak zodiac]

Random idea: Undead IRS. Tax collectors and auditors. None of the houses have been keeping their books clean and the UIRS is going to straighten them out, the hard way

The "Revenue" is SOUL - you're supposed to be declaring your earnings in form W-666, you knew about form W-666, didn't you??

[eager dove]

huh abilities that tax soul huh

[peak zodiac]

Maybe? I hadn't thought it out any further

[ivory bane]

Ill make the generic tokens in a few hours, what color would you like rickertock to be?

oh wait there is some art in the book that depicts generic units!

give me a sec

[tawdry root]

Color, huh
Rickertock should prolly be a good crimson color

[ivory bane]

btw, i need ideas for upgrade actions, so if anyone feels like helping, feel free to, because i struggle with things like that

[eager dove]

before testing unsure but if anything is testing over you can break it down and make the strong part an upgrade

[peak zodiac]

I feel that, was gonna ask the same 😅

[ivory bane]

i meant the necromancer ones

[eager dove]

i guess you can always look at abilities in core houses that are similar and lift their.... ohhhh

[ivory bane]

not the unit ones yet

[tawdry root]

Necromancer Act upgrades are tricky yeah

The way I did it was like
trying to figure out a variety of weapons/attacks that interacted with the mechanics and fit vibes, and then a couple funky utility tricks

[eager dove]

first will be working what you want your necro to specialise in

[tawdry root]

Yeah, that too

[eager dove]

and have more of those than other things

then some of secondary things

[tawdry root]

Warlord and Operator are like, offensive necros

[eager dove]

then a couple tertiary things

[tawdry root]

They spit out damage

[floral cargo]

I do like
3-4 weapons
2-3 utility
0-2 silly

[tawdry root]

Chiurgeon is much more supportively inclined

[eager dove]

yeah those ratios are reasonable just change the thing based on what do

[floral cargo]

Not all Necros need or want silly

[tawdry root]

I'm pretty happy with the Scrapwitch upgrade suite

[floral cargo]

But adding silly is good

[eager dove]

it's also important to consider what you want them to be bad at and whether you give them something to cover it

[floral cargo]

Example of silly I did: Idol Of Oblivion from archeologist in my Cryptik

Actively counter to your usual game plan but potentislly insane if you do build for it

[tawdry root]

They focus on dealing damage and exploiting their units for themselves

[ivory bane]

the way i did weapon that i already did is by taking the existing weapons and altering them in some way to work differently, but do the same role

that was also the case for some vanilla weapons

eg, holy water flail of the abhorrers is just holy water but expanded

oath is just blessed censer with tweaks

etc

[eager dove]

fuck it that's tomorrow's job

[floral cargo]

6 soul abilities are very fun

To brainstorm

[short fossil]

Rock (6 SOUL): Throw a real rock at your opponents head

as hard as you can

[ivory bane]

Anyways heres the style ill go for placeholder tokens

Necromancer in default and in rickertock crimson

[tawdry root]

Hell yeah

[eager dove]

does anyone have any guidelines to designing a house?

[ivory bane]

want to get that abstract vibe so people just imagine what they want it to be

[tawdry root]

I do not nah
Sounds like it'd be fun to write though

But I don't trust my design chops for this game enough yet

[floral cargo]

My advice

1: choose a thematic to keep in mind while building, the lore will be tangential but you should keep it in mind while creating and reference it whenever your running low on ideas. I also tend to make the playlist here
2: create 2-3 fundamental mechanics, but that traits, terrain, tokens, whatever, you need at least two though they can be connected.
3: choose which unit type to drop, this will correspond to your mechanical stuff though you could also do it for flavor reasons(a selfish faction not possessing freaks, a egalitarian faction not having thralls because they don’t trade lives)
4. Make units that lean into these themes and mechanics
5.Necromancers oh necromancers… to make a necromancer you need the following

Normal unit stuff
2 soul abilities(1 costing one and the other costing any amount 3)
3 bonus traits
7 bonus ACTs
And new soul abilities in the following order
1
1
2
3
4
6

Keep in mind I’ve only made one faction

But this is a pretty decent template

[hollow vine]

do the necromancer last, design the mechanics first

and pick which things like hazards, push pull, tokens etc you want to involve

ofc jot down ideas you get, but generally aim to keep the roster nice and coherent by doing this

how you decide how your units interact with their mechanics is harder to say before you have em down

[ivory bane]

Thrall, tyrant, freak

[unkempt wave]

Munching on some ideas for a thrall-less faction, speaking of what to drop. Felt like the natural choice as i want a core theme of BIG

[ivory bane]

Added a rickertock bag to the table 👍

@tawdry root As feedback tho, the thralls have WAYYY too much defense

i dont remember a single thing in the book that has a 5+

[floral cargo]

Deadsouls has a couple 5+

[ivory bane]

Oh thats true

[tawdry root]

Yeah, deadsouls is mostly that

[ivory bane]

But not on a thrall that respawns

Well not respawns but spawns from other units

[floral cargo]

It is a thrall though, and graze is real

[ivory bane]

thats true

[tawdry root]

The faction definitely needs some testing, I wanna try and get that rolling this week or so

My actual overall worry is that the faction will end up too weak; that the synergies aren't strong enough or the economy of Harvest abilities is too pricy

But I wanna see how it plays before conclusions

[floral cargo]

My main concern with Cryptik is less strong or weak and more too polarizing/matchup based

That goregrinders and mox are going to lose too hard and carcass and dead souls are going to win too hard

[hollow vine]

hmmmmmmm

skateboarding monks

who dissect themselves to carve themselves into more enlightened forms

[tawdry root]

🤟

[hollow vine]

6 soul ability which is just absolutely shredding so hard that enemies can't see anything but the shred

[dark ferry]

Are these guys the placeholder for the rickertock units or generic ones for the TTS?

[unkempt wave]

Shaman necros who specialize in reanimating animals. Core gimmick in that their army are all mounts that gets better stuff based on whether they're being mounted or not.

[ivory bane]

generic ones! Just ask me to add your thing, and i will
Ill change the colors of the colored ones to your color

[floral cargo]

Working a bit on my very high effort homebrew scenario

[ivory bane]

think the rickertock should be up on the table now

they are in the bag to the south of units, the one with Homebrew written under it xd

[ivory bane]

Okay, house wylderot almost done, needs playtesting now

[ivory bane]

They are necromancer druids that made a pact with the Lord of Flies. They rely a lot on self damage, vitality and summoning thralls, but they struggle with generating soul and doing damage without hurting themselves.

[kind fox]

Dont i feel silly, Im working on more planty plant druids myself

Mine also have a vitality gaining dealio and have higher health pools overall, but lower defense to compensate

[unkempt wave]

druid gang?

[kind fox]

Druid gang

I was gonna leave their backstory sorta nebulous but this could also be a good time to pull out "The Demon Goat of the Black wood" as their patron, which seems fitting to me

The ranks so far are Dryad, Sprite, Nymph, Sylph, Dark Young and Harvester

[unkempt wave]

still munching on system ideas but i want something that feels like a menagerie.
Outright chosens of some woodlands devil to keep "where the green of the leaves meets the white of the bone"

[kind fox]

I do like the idea that there are like a half dozen druid cults in and around the wastes around Anzenmezzeron all with different cultures and the like

Which I am actually gonna incorporate into my backstory blurb that just...yeah theres like a buncha druid cults all with different patrons and they all have their own politics different than the major houses within

[tawdry root]

GALVANIZA
A fanatical, disorganized, and dangerous cult that has quickly sparked across Azenmezzeron, Galvaniza's believers search for a very different form of Death's End; the ascension of the body and soul to pure, unaltered energy. Their preachers and figureheads convert their bodies and followers into amalgamations of flesh, wire and lightning, in a frenzied attempt to grow ever closer to 'beings of power'. Despite its chaotic operation and nonexistent structure, Galvaniza continues to grow in numbers and influence, and rumor abounds that something is shrouded at their center, pulling the many wires towards a greater purpose.

Tesla coil ghoul freak cult

[unkempt wave]

shocking, i know

[kind fox]

🥁

Also decided to lean into the lovecraftian element a lil bit and made a few name changes

Namely that the Necromancer is now called "Black Daughter."

And the faction is called the Shaggrath

(Which funnily enough works because there's a norwegian black metal singer named Shagrath, so there ya go)

[unkempt wave]

Names so far:
Scion - Packmate
Freak - Denkeeper
Hunter - Groovestalker
Horror - Bloodhound
Tyrant - Hulk
Necromancer- Fleshwalker

[ivory bane]

Oh, they are actually not planty! I saw you were making plant based ones, so I wanted to work on something more themed around animals

[kind fox]

Druid cult expansion made by the community

[ivory bane]

I had a few ideas, one of them was insects, one was werewolves, so I want them to be like anime half animal people that made a pact with a Lord of Flies

[unkempt wave]

expect a lot of wolf-not-wolf skulls

[ivory bane]

So half their roster is druid people, and half are just flies

In retrospect they are kinda of a inscryption faction 😅

[unkempt wave]

i'm going for "only the necromancer is people, the rest are rotting direwolves/wooly mammoths"

it's fun to see how still everyone is getting pretty unique anyways in the same core theme

[ivory bane]

Forest people and animals that rely on damaging and killing eachother

[kind fox]

Druid cult expansion im tellin yall

[unkempt wave]

in time

[peak zodiac]

Sacrifices must be made

[hollow vine]

working on a generic unit list, for use in campaigns and stuff, very barebones at the moment

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16QyiIrnGuxXqTzodoD9dN9wzVbU3JeObIywnIFqineU/edit?usp=sharing

tryna work based off of the lore bits we get from the start of the book

[stray bobcat]

im currently working on skeleton ball too

just too hard not to want to riff on it

[kind fox]

Oh def take a look at Mork Borg if you're trying to do rpg stuff

[hollow vine]

we exist to cherish the skeleton ball

[kind fox]

Its a really good black metal rpg

[hollow vine]

i have the physical book lol

when i say campaign i mean in a wargame sense tho

[kind fox]

Fantastic

Oh rog

[hollow vine]

long series of fights, each fight giving objective points and stuff

[kind fox]

Take a look at Warhammer Kill team since it's a squadron based game

[hollow vine]

the main example i can think of is warhammer path to glory stuff

[kind fox]

https://wahapedia.ru/kill-team2/the-rules/spec-ops-narrative-play/

There's also Warcry, which is Warhammer Age of Sigmar's squad campaign stuff

[hollow vine]

i'd rather base stuff off of what's in the game of focus

[kind fox]

Im just suggestin it for like ideas and stuff

For structure

[hollow vine]

yeah i getcha

[kind fox]

See how they did/do it kinda stuff

[hollow vine]

i have enough familiarity with it that i'm fairly confident in doing my own thing with this

[kind fox]

I like warcry's because there's is about building a campsite and adding features like watch towers and healing stuff

[ivory bane]

Added my wylderot to the tabletop

[kind fox]

My sort of planned vibe for the Shaggrath

[ivory bane]

https://tenor.com/view/druid-fandom-fancy-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-19631081

[kind fox]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lKg2S2grmNsnpqxRRQlsbz9s2-L8F-4RHJxG_Yovy60/edit?usp=sharing

[ivory bane]

Corpseflies sprite

Binding of isaac

[kind fox]

Noise

[ivory bane]

Would you like it ported to the tabletop thingie

[kind fox]

Not quite yet, I'd like to hammer out the abilities first, but thank you 🙂

[pure stone]

Tabletop thingie?

[kind fox]

Still very rough draft and I have comments open for feedback on my drive page here

[ivory bane]

Yea the tabletop sim mod

[pure stone]

Ohh

[ivory bane]

I wanted to add homebrew houdes there for ease of playtest by people

[kind fox]

So any feedback on anything is appreciated, as well as suggestions

[pure stone]

That’s cool af

[ivory bane]

Rickertock and wylderot are there now, so if anybody wants to try them, just do so lmao

I made stylized generic tokens for ease of addition as placeholders that alao look nice, with red here changing color to whatever the faction in question is

[kind fox]

Nice, nice

[ivory bane]

I think overgrown corpses are a very cool concept

[kind fox]

Ty 🙂 The Necromancer's ability is boosting how quick that happens

So they Seed corpses they're next to and seeded corpses just bloom into Overgrown instead

[ivory bane]

Seeded corpse and overgrown corpse

[kind fox]

😄
Thank you!

[barren bluff]

Should check the maleghast subreddit, within like 3 days someone made an almost fully fleshed out group that looks rly cool, the Archivists.

[kind fox]

Oh yeah I seen those, the robot ones yeah?

[barren bluff]

Yeah

They’re rly neat

[kind fox]

https://www.reddit.com/r/maleghast/comments/17psh4f/the_archive_a_homebrew_maleghast_house/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Here dey is

[barren bluff]

They also linked a pdf for the abilities and the necromancer somewhere too in another post

[kind fox]

https://www.reddit.com/r/maleghast/comments/17qgfup/the_archive_homebrew_house_first_draft/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Found dat too

https://www.reddit.com/user/UmbralReaver/

Here's the user if you wanna ask permission

[supple venture]

im gonna actually fucking lose it

they have a mechanic called synchronize too

which mine also has

so i HAVE to change it

pis

AND their thrall is called a drone

at least their faction is really cool

it lessens the pain of having to change stuff

[kind fox]

I feel thine paine

Good news, a first pass at some abilities is comming along nicely I think

[supple venture]

changed synchronize to connect

less of a snappy name but it works

still vaguely computer-y

dunno the fuck i'm gonna change drone to

[kind fox]

maybe make it a dumb pun

Like Di-Fi

Like wifi but for dying

And do you have a unit called "Node"

[supple venture]

deathless fidelity

no, i'll change drones to nodes then

thank you

[kind fox]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cowboy-finger-gun-pointing-moves-gif-17170914

[stark lance]

Yeah I'm on another server with them. They posted a new update I think

[barren bluff]

Yeah they just sent it on the subreddit too

[supple venture]

it is very cool looking

[kind fox]

Still need to fill out all my Necromancers stuff (Which is ironically the opposite of what i had planned to do, I planned for them first, then the rest of the gang) but I think most of the gang is alright for now

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lKg2S2grmNsnpqxRRQlsbz9s2-L8F-4RHJxG_Yovy60/edit

The scion probably needs another ability but that's a later thing

[tawdry root]

I find that scions usually get 3 abilities yeah

As do Freaks and Tyrants;
everybody else usually gets 2

[kind fox]

Goootcha

It is lookin a bit like that there's a spread of 3 between abilities and traits

Like if a unit has 1 trait then they only got like 2 abilities

Give or take

[eager dove]

Thoughts on first draft of house mechanic? Probably a little over powered but have fixes in mind Secret: When a non-(placeholder) unit uses an ACT ability while it has a Secret token, after resolving that ability, it takes 1 Curse damage and discards that token. When a (placeholder) unit does not have a secret token they may Sacrifice a MOVE to gain one. Secret tokens count as a positive token for all (placeholder) units and a negative token for any other units. Each unit may only have one Secret token at a time.

[stark lance]

What benefit would it give your units?

[eager dove]

i think it would be unit to unit some units would benefit from having it some would expend it for benefit and one would probably just transfer it

[stark lance]

Ah cool,so varied between unit types . Would that be the only house mechanic?

[eager dove]

probably yes cause it's kinda complex and eats a lot of power budget

[proven orchid]

aw fuck. man. someone did it first.

[floral cargo]

Tbf roboty undead covers a lot

[proven orchid]

yeah but

:(

we don't even have Any mechanics laid out yet, and this has torn our sails down pretty bad

[floral cargo]

You’ve got digital type stuff, you’ve got clockwork, you’ve got five nights at Freddy’s, you’ve got reverse cyborgs

[proven orchid]

We have an aesthetic already, and at a glance it seems pretty different, but it's still the writhing of the soul

[peak zodiac]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m2kbytcFv1ATHTli-hVTXSvLKMkW1vRG/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=116186369099565585344&rtpof=true&sd=true

Still a bit of work to do. Absolutely no idea how balanced it is lol

[eager dove]

do multiple levels of honour and dishonour stack for purposes of attack dice?

[peak zodiac]

Nope. I meant for this to explain that:

"They function similar to e.g. Strength and Weak, in that they cancel out, and have a static effect regardless of the number of similar tokens."
But maybe it's poorly worded

I imagine it could get pretty spammy otherwise, and figure ±1D is already a decent benefit

I imagine most units won't ever have more than a few of either token, and that Honor will be difficult to maintain, but play testing will of course prove that or not

[eager dove]

fair and true just thought i'd double check

does the pike check dishonoured after the unit potentially gains the honour?
Same Q for exaltation
Warhorn on herald might be a little strong given thralls can stack strength
Might have to reword murder since you've got the miss clause as part of the hit and ignoring armour might be easy to miss at the end of the attack
Why would making the damage fire matter for Barrage if you already ignore armour

[peak zodiac]

Hm, no the intent was for those actions to check for dishonored before resolving...

Is there precedent for things triggering on a miss? Should the Miss part just be last? A separate line? Hm

[eager dove]

i do not have answers only questions to bug creators with

[peak zodiac]

Lol

As for Barrage fire damage, well, I don't have any excuses haha

[tawdry root]

godspeed

[eager dove]

rule of cool is an excuse tbf

[tawdry root]

I am cool so I rule (this land with an iron fist)

[tawdry root]

Special Mechanic
Voltage: Galvaniza units gain a Voltage token after a MOVE. Abilities with Voltage effects require the unit to have equal to or more Voltage as the threshold to trigger, then remove all Voltage tokens from the unit. 

Special Tags
Fanaticism: Ability effect that triggers if an adjacent unit has died this round. 

hmm. not sure about fanaticism but stumped for more special tag ideas

[ivory bane]

I really like them! Would you like them being added to the tabletop sim mod?

I will need to draw honor/dishonor tokens so need to know their colorscheme. Irc, its red again, right?

[supple venture]

debating a second homebrew even though my first one isn't near done

because i had what might be a very fun idea

faction of buddhist warrior monks (similar to abhorrers in that they're a split-off faction from a larger more standard denomination) who have karma mechanics

thinking about how to make "if you damage this unit take x damage" work as a faction mechanic without it being too good

it might end up not being as direct as that

[real fjord]

kind of like retaliation?

[supple venture]

yeah

becaus

i just remembered retaliation lmao

i can't JUST do that

it might be "if you damage this unit gain x token, next time you get hit by a certain attack you take x more damage"

or something

[tawdry root]

Dancefloor Is Lava - Why Oh You Are LOVE
Keygen Church - UltraChurch
Femtanyl - GIRL HELL 1999

also figured out the soundtrack for these guys

[supple venture]

i have not heard of the last song or group but that is a fantastic tite

title

[ivory bane]

[tawdry root]

It's a good song, even if I do get a headache if I listen to it for too long

[supple venture]

i think i will work on the monk faction tomorrow maybe

i'm liking the karma idea

[peak zodiac]

Hey thanks! They're not quite done yet - the necromancer doesn't have all her bonus stuff, the units don't have all the upgrades (tho this isn't strictly necessary for play testing I suppose), and I'm still not happy with some of the names. "Tower" lol so scary. But to answer your question, if you're fine adding them to the tabletop sim mod in that state then go for it!

[peak zodiac]

The pink I was using was #ff7870

But if it doesn't read good against backgrounds or whatever feel free to tweak it so long as it's kinda rosy and not too close to Carcass

[ivory bane]

playtesting the wylderot

[ivory bane]

2 games of playtesting concluded, I am actually unsure on how to rank them strength wise
they have a lot of conditional strengths with clear counterplay. example given - you can in theory snowball with summoning thralls, but the thralls are summoned at 1 hp and can be cleared with anything aoe, which would make it a waste of an action and potentially put you at net -2 hp (you use 1 to summon a fly, fly is at 1 hp, so its 0, then you get hit with an aoe, fly is dead, your guy is damaged, you are at -2)
the wildcaller also becomes a priority target and are not that tanky - they have low hp and low saves, although magical armor does save them, but they also damage themselves

if the wildcaller is not addressed, they will snowball hard, tbh just like most freaks would. antipriest if let to live will make the entire army unkillable

this guy will instead tilt the action economy in your favour, and start generating vitality, which means more flies, which means more vitality

some builds rely a lot on movement or movement through enemies which can be countered by thrall by good positioning

weak soul gen is also meh

they def feel like a faction that needs to cook before doing anything

[supple venture]

interesting

who did you test against? like which factions

i see grinders up there

[ivory bane]

2 games against goregrinders

[ivory bane]

i feel a bit lazy rn so feel free to fill it out first xd

[supple venture]

interesting, i look forward to hearing more about testing against other factions

im gonna be testing against grinders tonight too

[ivory bane]

both games were a charge build, one was a lot of warheads+tyrant, the other was warheads+tyrant+wheels

the reasonining with wheels is since if i take armored units, warheads actually couldnt do damage to them

[ivory bane]

I actually feel fine enough to go for another round against somebody else, since i kinda dont know people that play something thats not carcass/goregrinders xd

and its more fair to play against people with experience on their faction

[supple venture]

playtesting v grinders and i have only rolled 1s and 2s for the entire first round

this may be an omen

[ivory bane]

[supple venture]

on the brights ide having a team entirely comprised of physically armored units is detrimental to grinders

[real fjord]

I feel that so hard. First attack roll was double 1s in the game i just had now

[supple venture]

im getting barely better rolls now by abusing elevation

[real fjord]

smart

[supple venture]

i won. just fucking barely

but i won

will post the AAR in a minute

[ivory bane]

i would say that its bad lmao

I gave my horror armor and rn i am not sure it was a good idea since goregrinders CANT DO SHIT TO HIM

I think ill keep it tho

Dealing with armor is explicitly the weakness of goregrinders and tbh it felt fine even with it

[supple venture]

nevermind i LOST

HELL on earth

two matches with neuromongers, two losses. this one was extremely close but the one against carcass was an absolute joke

ugh

[ivory bane]

I do want to give the guy a tankiness as an upgrade but unsure how, since it already can, very conditionally, gain 2 vitality on its turn.

[ivory bane]

How are you doing tests?

[supple venture]

just fighting my friend

[ivory bane]

Oh okie

[supple venture]

SO CLOSE

saw toothed slayer axe is the only reason they won

ughhhhh i can't help but feel like the faction is the problem though

[ivory bane]

I think the problem was not having anythinb to bodyblock with lmao

[supple venture]

there WAS one

but uh

[ivory bane]

My condolences

Why is soul called resolve???

[supple venture]

icon system

maleghast port to foundry uses icon

[ivory bane]

Ahhh

[supple venture]

guh

[ivory bane]

So what do you think didnt work out?

[supple venture]

i'm not gonna make any faction changes until i finish testing against igorri and abhorrers next at a later date

but

i'm still feeling like there's two big problems

which i will elaborate on in a little bit i need some water

[ivory bane]

I am actually proud after my playtest because the wylderot feel very fun to play and not obnoxious to play against

[supple venture]

neuromongers do FEEL fun at least

[ivory bane]

They have a lot of moments that make you feel smart

I think they are very much an accidental inscryption faction because they tingle the same part in my brain

[supple venture]

good thing to be inspired by

[ivory bane]

"do i sacrifice a fly to do this... No, not really, but what if i activate this guy, then he gas vitality since he is already damaged, then step 2, flying up elevation, and attack, putting your guy into blood rage, and then i use bliodprice and cut vitality off an ally i am now adjacent to, stepping 2 through you and dealing 1 curse, finishing you off"

Its not even that hard but it makes you feel like you have brains

Mothman feels fun to use

Sitting in a corner, stacking strength, very scary

Might be capable of creating too much adverse teerain though

I made 6 in 2 rounds

[supple venture]

okay, post hydration, here are what i feel are the issues;

1. synchronize is a huge mismatch with the majority of the faction's abilities

2. taking turns to buff your army can leave a feeling of idleness / wasted time

for neuromongers to really get going they have to have lots of positive tokens to distribute around

and each form of token generation on them currently is tied to synchronize except for the sentinel

you move a space with your unit cluster and generate one token

but one token isn't a whole lot for a faction whose whole, like, thing is about constantly fucking with tokens

and synchronize kind of doesn't do anything for the faction, really

like sure, is it cool to see an entire black mass move in the same direction all at once like some sort of cattle herd? yes

but it doesn't actually do literally anything for the faction's gameplan beyond the first round

i'm sure there are some use cases where it would still be very helpful to have but not enough to where i feel like i'm gonna keep it

so i am going to be removing it

instead of replacing it with another, different faction mechanic, i'm just going to make each unit's token generation more impactful

i also need to toy with helpful negative token generation since Virus requires the existence of negative tokens to function and a lot of factions don't really apply negative tokens

carcass barely does, grinders barely do, mox does but you can't redirect plague (it'd be useless anyway), deadsouls does which actually would probably be the best use case of virus currently (doesn't work on doom but you can turn that weakness back on them), abhorrers don't, igorri don't

so i need to have a natural way to generate negative tokens to use as utility on my own units

this is all stuff i will have to spend a LOT of time figuring out

anyway sorry for the massive brain-dump

i am very passionate about this game and want to make a faction that feels fun to play without being a huge pain in the neck to play against

[kind fox]

random question, how do we feel about AI art for proof of concept stuff?

[eager dove]

Nah

[kind fox]

Just nah?

[eager dove]

Just nah

[kind fox]

Mkay

[eager dove]

Ai art models have to be fed on artists work and we discourage the use of them without explicit and informed consent of the artists

[kind fox]

rog

[supple venture]

struggling to come up with a good snappy name for a buddhist-adjacent sect

group of monks trying to reach enlightenment through repeated death and rebirth who also just generally try to help the especially downtrodden in anzenmezzeron

pacifist unless provoked or if their wards are threatened

wanted to do a pun on sunyata but i'm not nearly clever enough

temp name silent sanctuary. might keep it

[stray bobcat]

Maybe Yatra or Pilgrimage, if you wanna play on the idea of the monks travelling trhough Anzenmezzron are doing as a journey to reach enlightment rather than as an end destination

[supple venture]

hmmmmmmmm. i actually really like just calling them Pilgrimage

an idea i had, which is why they're called silent sanctuary, is that they don't speak

they hum what people assume are mantras and communicate almost entirely through gestures and other nonverbal and nonwritten means

they're just kind of chilling

comparitive to, like, goregrinders

who as far as the lore implies are just murder machines

[eager dove]

Silent Pilgrims?

[stray bobcat]

keep in mind, that each necromanctic house has a devil whom they have a pact with (and despite the Abhorrers having none, it's implied there is a hidden one)

[eager dove]

(They could be a house that’s devil bound them in pact because it’s trying to break them)

[stray bobcat]

D.E.F.T. - Death's Eight-Fold Testament

[supple venture]

the exact idea i had was that they're basically in a long standoff with a devil

the devil gives them power and allows them to reach closer to their form of enlightenment but it tempts them with dark powers

as yet none of them have caved

this is a thrall-less faction, not because they don't fuck with undeath and magic, but just because they're a "newer" (in the relative sense, considering how old anzenmezzeron is that could still be countless years) faction and most of their members haven't deteriorated to the point of thralldom yet

that's just how i assume thralls happen, anyway

die too much and you stop coming back the right way

[stray bobcat]

perhaps the devil, is in their eyes good?, in that it performs the service of displaying suffering and temptation - for them to either give in and be reborn, thus learning a religious lesson, or as a way to strength their faith?

like the Devil is in essence an extension of an enlightenment, in that is a teacher, and death is it's ultimate discipline -- those who are disciplined to the point of the abyss are simply not worthy of enlightenment?

[supple venture]

i think part of the idea is we don't really know what they think about much of anything other than that they like to help those that they have the opportunity to help

but i like these ideas

it'll probably be the pain devil (i'll think of a good devil-y name later) because their faction mechanic is going to relate to karmic retribution in a very combative sense

[stray bobcat]

Perhaps the Ouroboros Devil? just throwing it out there -- I do like the idea of give/take mechanics

[supple venture]

maybe that too

i'll decide more of the lore tomorrow when it's not 2:30 am

they are going to be a lot about cycles and things "coming back around" - if it wouldn't be terribly unfun to play against and also just a copy of miracle i would consider a self resurrection system

speaking of 2:30 am i left two whole words out of that sentence initially

[stray bobcat]

I've made one rebirth mechanic, and currently, did another, and it's like miracle is the elephant typing next you as you write it

[supple venture]

may end up making it something like - instead of them reviving they leave some sort of feature or resource behind afterwards

but this is all for a later and more awake me

i do also need to find music that fits

maybe i'll just give them three A Perfect Circle songs for the soundtrack for the meme

[supple venture]

actually idk why i said that

i may entirely go back on this decision

it just depends on a lot of things

plus i like thralls

i'm potentially leaning towards doing a non-scion faction just because scions require me to come up with 3 different actions and god knows my brain is barely big enough for that

though then i'd have to do a tyrant anyway...

hell

well whatever i'll figure it out

[real fjord]

i like that name a bunch.

[south brook]

0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

00

000000⁰00000000000

[eager dove]

uhh

gene?

[south brook]

00⁰0000000000000000000000000

000⁰00000000000000000000000000

000

[eager dove]

not a fan of this bit

[eager dove]

So uhh what’s up with this

[south brook]

It was my bag.

[eager dove]

ah

[ivory bane]

new version of wylderot after the playtesting

[ivory bane]

playtest 2 about to commence

[ivory bane]

Kay so concluding the testing, i would say wylderot fairs fine against abhorrers but it really depends on the roster

Mothman can eat flies and dish out 2 devil damage to a single target which is, while strong, isnt really going to help with the necro

So the only units piercing through abhorrers at all are the hunter and the tyrant

Which imo is fine i guess

It was a draw

[hollow vine]

might make an imperial knight like faction

where it's oops!all 4x4's

[kind fox]

Just realized i should add my pulls to my roster so that this way enemies are closer to the overgrowth

[ivory bane]

4x4? xd

[hollow vine]

oh wait 2x2's

[tawdry root]

Special Mechanic
Voltage: Galvaniza units gain a Voltage token after a MOVE. Abilities with Voltage X effects require the unit to have equal to or more Voltage as the threshold to trigger, then remove all Voltage tokens from the unit. 

Special Tags
Flash: A Flash MOVE or Step is free movement and allows the unit to move diagonally.

hmmm.

[haughty ocean]

How high are the Voltage costs usually?

[hollow vine]

do galvaniza get additional ways to MOVE?

[tawdry root]

I'm thinking along the lines of 2-4; there'll be more unit-specific ways to gain them too

Maybe! I don't want to cramp too hard on Goregrinder's schtick with half their units getting a 'charge' ability though

[haughty ocean]

I was just wondering bc maybe it can be a bit restricting if the costs are too high

Imagine saving up 3 voltage tokens and then someone killing your unit

Which, I guess is a form of counterplay but it's good to think about it

The good thing is that you can go a bit crazier with the abilities since they have a cost that you have to build up before using them

[tawdry root]

There'll be unit abilities that help build up ally Voltage and stuff like that

Right, it'll be an interesting space once I start digging into it

The playstyle vibe here is charging up to big explosive burst turns

[haughty ocean]

That's very cool

[tawdry root]

I just feel like I need another tag to 'complete' the mechanical suite

[haughty ocean]

Interesting from the enemies POV too

They have to think about which units are gonna use their big moves and which units to focus to prevent them from doing that

Pretty nice

[haughty ocean]

yeah, I'm hittting a brick wall with the faction I'm writing too

Like you have one mechanical niche thought out

But I have no idea what to do for the second one

[tawdry root]

Mhmm

Looking at the book's factions and thinkin about how their tags works into each other helps a bit

As in like
Each one puts a different angle of incentive on the faction

Deadsouls has Doom and Isolate
Doom is pretty straightforward; you want to slap it on enemies and make them unable to kill anything to win by stallout
Isolate is a positioning incentive; it helps reinforce The Vibes and also gives you stuff to like, do and worry about while also working with Doom

[hollow vine]

also to enable stacking Doom

Blood Rage is the big one for Gore Grinders, it gives you one chance to hit back, and hit back harder whilst you're at it

and berserk emphasises the importance of using that chance to be hyper aggressive by saying if you're not close you hit yourself

if you are do a splash damage

[lost bough]

Did a lil bit more work on the Kronodores (pardon the typos)

Gonna probably starting putting this in the template this evening

[tawdry root]

These are neat

though Thralls taking soul out of your pool on death is pretty mean

even with Extort

maybe it works though!

[lost bough]

Probably

Still in the ideaation phase on these guys

[tawdry root]

Sure sure

[lost bough]

These also don’t have stats which I am working on right now

I could give them a bit higher defense and maybe some armor so they survive a bit longer

[tawdry root]

Special Mechanic
Voltage: Galvaniza units gain a Voltage token after a MOVE. Abilities with Voltage X effects require the unit to have equal to or more Voltage as the threshold to trigger, then remove all Voltage tokens from the unit. 

Special Tags
Flash: A Flash MOVE or Step is free movement and allows the unit to move diagonally.
Extoll: Grant an adjacent unit a copy of a token on this unit.

I think I've got myself an interesting framework for these guys now, unique-mechanics wise

[lost bough]

Hell yeah swirly lightning

Oh voltage is interesting

[tawdry root]

The idea here is that units build up Voltage and then have Big Burst Turns

[lost bough]

Icic

[tawdry root]

Flash is just some cool mobility, Extoll helps spread out Voltage faster (or do funkier things)

[lost bough]

I assume these guys work with speed token?

[tawdry root]

Yeah, almost certainly

[lost bough]

Yeye

[tawdry root]

Might focus on Speed and Weak?

[lost bough]

Oooh. Interesting

[tawdry root]

GALVANIZA
A fanatical, disorganized, and dangerous technecro-cult that has quickly sparked across Azenmezzeron, Galvaniza's believers search for a very different form of Death's End; the ascension of the body and soul to pure, unaltered energy. Their preachers and scientists convert their bodies and followers into amalgamations of flesh, wire and lightning in a frenzied attempt to grow ever closer to 'beings of power', proclaiming their necromancy is born from mere faith and science. Despite its chaotic operation and nonexistent structure, Galvaniza continues to grow in numbers and influence, and rumor abounds that something is shrouded at their center, pulling the many wires towards a greater purpose.

Playstyle:
Explosive bursts of power.

Soundtrack:
Dancefloor Is Lava - Why Oh You Are LOVE
Keygen Church - UltraChurch
Femtanyl - GIRL HELL 1999

[supple venture]

i love this faction already

electricity >

[lost bough]

Also fuck yeah ultrachurch

[supple venture]

i used master boot record for the neuromongers soundtrack so i agree good song choice

plus the (second) best everhood song

[tawdry root]

which one is the best everhood song??

[supple venture]

the one with the french name

the secret boss one

also by dancefloor is lava

[tawdry root]

yeah this is pretty good

[supple venture]

galvaniza is something i actually am very interested in playing so i'm excited to be watchin the development process

[ivory bane]

Made a sprite for gnatknight, the wylderot horror

[tawdry root]

oooh, love them

[supple venture]

this is awesome

love me some bugs

[tawdry root]

i am a Bug Guy through and through

[supple venture]

second favorite animal group for me

after birds

[real fjord]

looks amazing

[lost bough]

The bit with the hanged man is that while taking a whole bunch of them can risk tanking your soul gain, they have the ability to remove extorted tokens off of themselves (you can extort your own allies) so you can potentially get a lot out of them

[lost bough]

Also yo!

[tawdry root]

Right

[ivory bane]

i wanted to go the funny route and do a similar thing to the ammo goblin nose because its a fly/mosquito and this is a fun way to do a proboscis

[supple venture]

it's definitely an interesting idea, but very scary to think about getting your soul obliterated

[tawdry root]

hrmm. not sure which unit type galvaniza shouldn't have...

[supple venture]

though i think there's something to say about the way they influence the enemy's decision making as well

[ivory bane]

theres actually another homebrew house that has a hanged man as their necromancer and i was confused for a sec xd

[lost bough]

Lol

[supple venture]

because they would likely be much more willing to actively attack thralls

to deprive you of soul

thus giving some of your other units more room to breathe

[lost bough]

Ye

[supple venture]

very curious to see how it works out in practice

[tawdry root]

Yeah

Soul abilities for your necro are gonna get Weird

[supple venture]

weird is fun though

[lost bough]

Oh yeah they are

[supple venture]

excited to see it develop

[lost bough]

Im playing with the devil over here

[tawdry root]

tempted to say 'tyrant' because I just do not like tyrants

[supple venture]

i really like tyrants a lot but i still omitted them from neuromongers because it doesn't fit them

thoguh having a really giant cyborg would be cool

adam smasher in maleghast

[lost bough]

Also

[supple venture]

what the fuck

what unit has this

[tawdry root]

They're perfectly fine units mechanically and all
having a Huge Centerpiece Guy just isn't my vibe

[lost bough]

https://tenor.com/view/tpb-trailer-park-boys-ricky-to-fuck-off-gif-19480783

[tawdry root]

but Rickertock losing a Hunter worked better

[lost bough]

Necro

[supple venture]

oh okay

still crazy

[lost bough]

It’s one of its upgrades

[supple venture]

but more sensible

[hollow vine]

me love centrepiece guy

[supple venture]

i feel like judging from what i'm seeing of galvaniza you definitely shouldn't lose thralls at the very least

[tawdry root]

Oh absolutely

[supple venture]

having extra units to generate and spread voltage seems essential

[tawdry root]

Freak, Thrall, Horror i think are a must for them

[lost bough]

I do think tyrant could work on these guys

[supple venture]

i feel like having a really big dude who has much bigger adjacency could also be helpful for extoll

[tawdry root]

Hunter probably has a place, so perhaps boils down to Tyrant and Scion

[supple venture]

just an absolutely massive dude covered in a haywire faraday cage

[tawdry root]

Mmm, yeah there's some neat things I could do with a Tyrant in this setup and thematic, you're right

[lost bough]

And I imagine a lot of voltage effects are gonna be self splashes

[hollow vine]

scions tend to be mainly focused on being bruisers most of the time

[lost bough]

Which tyrant big for that

[hollow vine]

with some support there

[supple venture]

scions really are odd and they may be what i kick out of silent sanctuary because, like. they are kind of just "pretty tanky unit that does many different things" which can be hard to develop for at times

[hollow vine]

tyrant works as something to do big spend a bunch of voltage tokens on

[supple venture]

if neuromongers did have a tyrant it would be the exact same as what the scion currently is just bigger

[tawdry root]

Scions are the faction's 'everyman'

[supple venture]

yeah

which is why i do like scions a lot

[tawdry root]

They interact with all the mechanics and function as basically the cornerstone

Igorri drops them because they focus on specialization

[hollow vine]

there’s enforcers, carnifexes, rotten, penitents - all of these are super bulky, and then there’s chosen which are less bulky but harder to hit

[lost bough]

Rotten my beloved

[supple venture]

🤝

love rotten

[hollow vine]

all of them also deal decent damage and do a bit of defence

[lost bough]

He’s just a guy!

[supple venture]

chosen being the one weird exception

[tawdry root]

Hrum... I don't want to drop Hunter because Rickertock already did
Horror... maybe

[supple venture]

but deadsouls is, in of itself, a weird exception

[hollow vine]

yeah chosen are weird

[supple venture]

tyrant is weird, thrall is weird, scion is weird

the most normal units are the hunter and horror

[tawdry root]

Chosen still fit in the Scion role because they're cornerstones

[supple venture]

oh absolutely

they just do scion differently than every other scion

[tawdry root]

They do all the Deadsouls things, which is the key

[supple venture]

mhm

that's the one real uniting thing all scions do

they do All The Things

[lost bough]

I’m tempted to make this thing slow the user after the attack resolves

[hollow vine]

if chosen didn’t exist there’d be more cohesion

[supple venture]

does this writing make sense or should i mention outright you need to roll a d6

i want it to be a random token you gain

via whatever you roll

havign to go back and change literally every neuromongers unit

[tawdry root]

I wish i could just take all 6 unit types for these guys they all have a solid place in the theoretical vibes 😔

[supple venture]

that's the problem i'm at with silent sanctuary

i have no idea which type i want to drop

[tawdry root]

I think I'll bite the bullet and scrap Scion for Galvaniza

[ivory bane]

i think tyrants are hard to make

[tawdry root]

They areee

[ivory bane]

because they are not your strongest unit

but its easy to forget about it

adding mr stinky to the tabletop

[tawdry root]

Beserker acts as a very nasty outright threat, Egis is acts as a big old reliable roadblock between your firing line and enemies, Holy Body is a hard as hell to kill supporter, Homunculi is a ramping powerhouse, Bound Devil is a debilitator and suprise burst damage

[supple venture]

so it begins

having to redo an entire segment of each unit is gonna sting but eh whatever

i do this stuff for fun

[tawdry root]

I think this works, and I think that one of Chirurgeon's soul abilities does the same

[ivory bane]

holy body has multiple functions

i like to use it as a bomb

[tawdry root]

It wears a lotta hats

Which is interesting for something with no head

[supple venture]

sentinel reworked

luckily i don't have to rework the brainiac at all since it didn't have anything with Synchronize before

the biggest victory is that sentinels still get to keep the "big arm" attack

just a different kind

[tawdry root]

Dropping Synchronize from the faction, or?

[supple venture]

yeah

[hollow vine]

check the lycan wording because it’s the same thing

[supple venture]

thank you 👍

[supple venture]

it didn't really fit with the core tokenfuckery mechanics

[tawdry root]

That's fair that's fair

[supple venture]

and honestly ended up making me a muuuuch bigger target for aoe

like i still think carcass is a pretty tough counter against the neuromongers but much less so now that their gameplan doesn't hinge on staying in one clump

[hollow vine]

so, the big thing is all of them deal decent damage, and all of them do terrain clear

and most have some form of aoe

i think bound devil doesn’t

[supple venture]

bound devil lacks aoe but has mobility and ways to debuff opponents

netweaver

because they lack step i made malware able to ping off of an ally in range 2 rather than adjacency

and kept the range to 2

still keeps the concept though

the razor

i feel the best about the changes i made to razor

kept most of the original kit just in a different context

it can still be a complete crazy fuck with two sword arms jumping at you

[pine bramble]

people are working on dino factions already but here's mine i guess

The Fossilmen
As necromancers journey into the centre of the city in search of the Ending of Death, they find the Fossilmen.

What’s dead in here never dies, after all. Creatures from eons before the monkeys walked upright stalk the tomb-dry corridors and halls, memories of sweltering jungles and gushing blood running through their skulls. Hanging in perpetual undeath down here has taught them to stand upright and grasp things, but their dim memories tell them the same thing that they’ve always been told - that this place is theirs.

Intrepid necromancers who don’t kill or avoid these things can sometimes tap into the Fossilmen’s collective consciousness, making something akin to a demonic pact with it. This gains them control over the lumbering hulks of scales and bone - for as long as the Fossilmen dare to tolerate them.

Playstyle: Resilient but lumbering.

Soundtrack:
Gojira - The Art of Dying
Rage - Soundchaser

Faction Mechanic: Cold-blooded
Once a turn, whenever a unit with this trait receives a token from any source, it may choose to also receive a Coldblood token. Units with Coldblood tokens cannot spend, and are not affected by, other tokens. At the end of the round, a unit with a Coldblood token automatically spends all Coldblood tokens it has.

cold-blooded needs a stronger downside at the moment - 1 damage taken if they had any negative tokens on them when the coldblood is discarded maybe

[ivory bane]

i think its fine? i would maybe make them harder to get

there are not that many sources of negative tokens tho

[pine bramble]

i think there's going to be units or upgrades that can key off of having a coldblood token or the end of round spend

maybe they don't get it automatically and need to hit certain conditions to gain them

definitely thinking of a SOUL power that triggers after spending coldblood tokens to do a bunch of shit at once depending on what positive tokens they had

or maybe giving them to the enemy. so much for your berserk, idiot

[supple venture]

boy i just realized i still have to do the necromancer

fuuuuuck

that's so many skills and a trait i have to rework

[tawdry root]

hmmm

Ampolyte
Galvaniza Thrall

Conduit
Galvanzia Freak

Tesla Preacher
Galvaniza Hunter

Surgent
Galvanzia Horror

Lady Of Power
Galvaniza Tyrant

Still debating if I want to drop Scion or Horror for em

[lost bough]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2TFoqSc3ZQXluixaBlhddWAL4U171UMikpmbWFUaek/edit?usp=sharing

it is done

it atleast done with working on it tonight

[ivory bane]

By the way, any updates on rickertock or are they done?

[tawdry root]

No updates nah

But haven't been able to playtest yet

[kind fox]

DUnno why i went so long without referencing lord of the rings in my faction

Considering it inspired my love of Treeple

But I decided to call my tyrants main attack "The Last March of the Ents" which does one damage to a normal target, but always deals 2 to a wall and an adjacent wall

[lost bough]

this homebrew has a horror with 3 act abilities 🙂

[kind fox]

Btw @ivory bane I just saw the latest Maleghast room on tts, you should put the link to this chat under the "Leave feedback" section so folks know where to actually leave feedback

[lost bough]

This was a lie

[supple venture]

the homebrew effect

[lost bough]

True!

[floral cargo]

The Expelled
The Expelled are promising students of the arcane cast out of their colleges and apprenticeships for consorting demons and performing the black sacrament. The Velvet Mind being a particularly prolific recruiter among those devils which lead students off the path. They often come to the city eventually, with all their other options exhausted, to continue their studies among their fellows. Their actual foundation as a house is up to speculation, many pinning it on some dean of one prestigious university or another falling to demonic temptation and dragging some students along with him to this city sliding into hell.
The Expelled combine the baleful magic of death and souls granted by the black sacrament with Evokation, an energetic magic granted by the study and binding of stars. Evokation is an ancient magic, not bound by Devils or by Gods but held within the sky above to be ripped down by mortal hands. The cold-white starfire it commands scorches the body and spirit alike, while the unique arts of Evokation can rival even demons in their awe inspiring power.

Expelled lore update

[digital aspen]

just popping in to say I love The Archive very much

[supple venture]

this seems like a pretty good 4 cost i'd say

not quite a 6 cost but definitely better than a 3 cost

for this faction that kind of ability is very potent

being able to pick what you can distribute to your allies or transfer to your enemies

[eager dove]

So you can turn all negative tokens to slow then all the positive to strength on a ranged unit?

[supple venture]

only on the necromancer, but you can then transfer those tokens at the end of the turn with uplink, yes

[eager dove]

That was just like my first thought for silly combo

[supple venture]

especially considering

hold on

this is a necromancer action

actually nvm wannalaugh wouldnt matter for this

was gonna say oh you can remove weakness

but

you can do that anyway

since you consume wekaness tokens before the attack to add range

zip bomb is a really scary attack but veeeery conditional

[supple venture]

fuckn finally

trait replacement

rework is done

hallelujah

playtesting will resume eventually

[haughty ocean]

Necromancer house that has made a pact with Xe’Yzzak, the Lightning Devil. The necromancers of House Amperia act as living conduits for their Devil master, their brains half-fried and bound to its will. The blue crackling energy pouring from the coils and dynamos grafted into their flesh reanimates corpses and makes the dead surge forward with twitching movements and an eerie coordination. The static generated by this demonic technology creates a loud humming noise that accompanies the Amperia wherever they go, tainting the districts where they have established bases in a dim hue of artificial light.

Got around to writing the fluff part of my homebrew house, will probably re-write it at some point down the line since I'm not 100% sold on it

[eager dove]

shocking

[haughty ocean]

I wanted to make them distinct lore-wise from the other electric-type homebrew necromancers Derpghost made

[ivory bane]

Wildcaller, Wylderot Freak

Directly inspired by Kai Uwe Faust of Heilung

[tawdry root]

Ooo

[kind fox]

Im almost done with the Shaggroth I just need more necromancer abilities -_-

Gang who woulda thought game design was hard actually

[tawdry root]

me. i did. i have long been peeping the horrors

[stray bobcat]

the simplicity creates a lot of boundaries, but interesting possibilities

[eager dove]

i've long been much better at criticising homebrew than actually making it

[haughty ocean]

I have some experience doing homebrew RPG and board game stuff but wargames are freaking hard

[kind fox]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lKg2S2grmNsnpqxRRQlsbz9s2-L8F-4RHJxG_Yovy60/edit?usp=sharing

Okay outside of SOUL ability options and Upgrades, we're mostly ready for playtesting

Figure i'll hold off on upgrades right now, finish the SOUL, do some play tests and see what would be better for higher level play

(Also just for transparencies sake and because I asked about it the other day, to my knowledge none of the art I used is AI art)

[haughty ocean]

Is the Black Goat Devil inspired by Shub-Niggurath?

[kind fox]

Ye

[haughty ocean]

Love me some lovecraftian horrors

[kind fox]

Figured she and her dark young would be a good vibe for some necro-druids

[haughty ocean]

Very noice

[tawdry root]

the woods! the woods!

[kind fox]

While the major houses fight within the city I like to think the several homebrew druid covens are fighting in the wilds outside of it

[tawdry root]

I'm sure there's gotta be some rad deadwood groves in Azenmezzeron or somethin

[haughty ocean]

Like going to the park and seeing geese fighting

[supple venture]

the way i think about it there's probably some of anything in anzen

if it's that old

[haughty ocean]

Corpses feed the plants so it makes sense that the flora in Anzenmezzeron is ubiquitous and lush

Maybe tainted with necrotic magic

They just feed on a corpse for six days, wait for a new one to appear and do it again

[kind fox]

Its sorta like the ring wraiths in lotr, that their lives have been stretched far beyond what is possible and now are effictivley ghosts...but for like trees

Ghost trees

Tree ghosts

[eager dove]

goats

[tawdry root]

goats

[ivory bane]

Yea that was the idea behind wylderot
Flies are kinda like bees to them, except instead of pollinating the flowers, they feed them with rotten flesh 👍

[kind fox]

goats

[supple venture]

i like to think there are some sort of giant pangolin wandering around anzen pulling chunks of walls off to get at hidden souls to eat them

i like critters and creatures

[kind fox]

3 Druids in full cermonial regalia standing around a goat excitedly pumping their fists Goat goat goat

[eager dove]

there's not really a beastly faction is there

[haughty ocean]

Not yet

[kind fox]

I was originally leaning that way but I felt the themeing was a bit weird. That said I fully believe there is a mantis shrimp like bug monster roaming the tombs, cracking open coffins of freshly remade necromancers and eating them before they awake

[ivory bane]

Mhm
Stroodles making plants, i am making flies+animal girls...

[supple venture]

i think there's an untapped market for "big fucked up animal" faction

[ivory bane]

I think somebody thought of a house that is just critters

[supple venture]

either werewolves or like, combining the bones of animals with humans before reviving them

[floral cargo]

My Cryptik faction has a lot of animals but most of them are fucked up dinosaurs

[supple venture]

to kitbash your own abomination

[eager dove]

the red

[kind fox]

I mean, Igorri kind of since they have lycan and strigori

But yeah no fully dedicated beasty bois

[eager dove]

gotta fight

for your right

to paaaaarrtttaaayy

[kind fox]

Begins Guitar noodling

[supple venture]

party faction

rave zombies

[eager dove]

that's sorta gore grinders in my brain

[supple venture]

they're party zombies in the way that actual vikings were party people

[kind fox]

Violently

[supple venture]

they did throw massive shindigs they just did so after obliterating a bunch of people

i think goregrinders eat something like pork al pastor or shawarma because the meat cooking on the pole looks vaguely like a pile of bodies

this is the sinle dumbest thought i've had

[haughty ocean]

Nah you're cooking something here

[eager dove]

no they are

thud is just describing how they do

[kind fox]

I was considering what other foods exsist in Anzenmezzeron besides meat dumplings, moss, and I assume dirt

[haughty ocean]

A lot of meat is up for grabs