Essentially just spreading spores/ in this case your swarm, to as many targets as possible to increase your base damage while simultaneously weakening the target
#Monster Hunter
vapid quartz
got it, it would be a fun way to include more endemic life
i recently picked up insect glaive , i have noclue why i didnt already play it cuz its a dragoon leapy spinny spear with a bug pet, i think i found it daunting
but i learned you can just skip the minigame with wounds lol
stray oriole
It's so god damn fun
I always say I main glaive buuut, this title I've split my time evenly between like 5 weapons
vapid quartz
yeah its my first mh and i cant decide so collecting all the ones i want isi gonna take foreverrr
stray oriole
It does but it's such a good game that I really never feel the grind. It's a good time just doin sos runs when you run outta stuff to do.
vapid quartz
i havent actually played with other people yet
i imagine thats a good way to just get extra shit
stray oriole
Mmm, I should be more active here and offer up the investigations I come across. Thats a good way to get stuff you need for sure
Or crowns. Which I haven't even begun to mess with
vapid quartz
i cant get any gore magala to spawn since i fought the first one, but i have like 6 tempered arkveld invests and i just dont wanan keep doingi it for my hunter pass 3s ๐ญ
im hr 70 at this point
stray oriole
I'm 100% with you. Arkvald is sick but Jesus. The 4th tempered one I made look like a chump sorta poisoned me against wanting to run it anymore
Great fight, rad monster.
Arch tempered will (hopefully) make me love it
vapid quartz
i feel differently about the fight but i still think we need more monsters that drop it
the 3 i mean, jin dahad is also fun but it feels more comfy with 2 people otherwise kinda long
stray oriole
Ya absolutely, Jin is a long boi and his fight is a long boi
Really happy hes in the game, absolutely geeked we're getting Lagi that'll be really fun
verbal copper
Hmmm... status effect of gravity. It slows down monsters when it's inflicted, slinger shots now home in on the enemy, and knocks fliers out of the air.
The main thing is that there's little to no resistance to it, it's not a full disable, but is very useful against fliers and agile creatures.
outer heron
i want to be able to do elemental blights tbh
more than get a new type
i would love to have elements have their own statuses that you can build for
waterblight replacing stuff like exhaust phials/ammo
but for actual new elements, i'd love a dedicated earth element
vs the existing pure phys/stun earth stuff
desert light
Blights were somewhat of a thing in Rise/Sunbreak
brave hazel
...that was an absolutely ass-clenching position, oh my god
RIGHT up next to his nuke
tardy grotto
JIn Dahaad is so cool
halcyon fractal
true, but what do you call the steam it releases when it wants to chill out?
checkmate, atheists
(for all intents and purposes this is a bit)
tardy grotto
That is the heat vaporising the snow buildup
outer heron
what would it do?
briefly passed the fuck out. i think monster earthblight probably gums up your weapon and makes it clink/fucks up its sharpness, making you sharpen to clear it
or alternatively makes you deal full blunt instead of slashing on melees, and jams guns up
mossy meteor
Very fun question. I think gravity is a good pick as already suggested, maybe something like magnetism/polarization? You already have a basis in the magnet spike and could bring that back to play with it, but magnetblight could work similarly.
As long as you're polarized, you get slowly dragged toward the monster (never away, that wouldn't be fun) and have to keep repositioning to not get underneath their attacks. Could have monster-specific attacks where they push everything away, or levitate you (giving you your aerial moveset and limited mobility). I'd see magnetblight as an excuse to introduce more "industrial" monsters like Ahtal-Ka's nest, a Nakarkos variant using metal instead of bones, or something like those volcano snails that build iron plates around them.
For players, magnet/polarization could be a status buildup that triggers a pinning effect, like a vine trap. Paralyze is similar though. Alternatively, make it so every strike that hits them while polarized is considered a hit zone (mind's eye effect)? That you're "magnetized to the weak spots" or something.
amber frost
Isn't this just that one frontier weapon turned into a status effect?
no offense meant just sounds similar
frank epoch
They did mention the magnet spike so I'm sure they're aware of it
amber frost
Ah my bad my brain must've glanced over it
Unsure if this one's been mentioned before but i'd like seeing air as a true blue element rather than just kinda a thing, my idea being to almost make it an offshoot of KO/Stun
the blight for hunters could be something where they get held up in a smaller tornado or the likes for a few moments, and when done to a monster it's just an instant topple
far from needed and it's not super unique but it'd be nice for non KO folk to have something similar, but probably not quite as effective
also the nightmare of wind hammer is not lost on me and i WANT THAT SHIT
mossy meteor
Yeah, magnet spike was definitely on the brain. I don't see them adding any new weapons soon (given that they haven't added a new one in 7 years) so I could see a conversion to using it as a mechanic instead.
amber frost
Mayhaps
i will say the magnet spike would need
so much tuning down if they did wanna bring it to mainline
that is very much a weapon made for the kind of game frontiers was
Same with the tonfas
mossy meteor
Air/wind would be my second pick, but I'm having a hard time thinking of a way to implement it that's not just stun with a different label or adding a whole new mechanic. It doesn't feel right as an elemental damage, more a status, so maybe building up to stopping monster projectiles?
Dragonblight does something similar, so it's not unprecedented
frank epoch
that is very much a weapon made for the kind of game frontiers was
Nah I think having a para-trap with 600 MV on a move and half of your kit having i-frames that would make longsword cry tears of jealousy is fine actually
While also having ridiculous slash and blunt damage
And ridiculous mobility
While being good for any of element/status/raw
And having great stun values
mossy meteor
Listen that fatalis is built different okay
teal halo
magspike is just. how. why.
frank epoch
Not different enough!
The tail slam is annoying as hell
Bring back zenith blights to Wilds
mossy meteor
I want these so bad it hurts
There's an updated version with focus strike stuff but I can't find it so just imagine
amber frost
i'd adore a fists weapon
In my head i basically want a KO version of dual blades
high as fuck mobility, death by a thousand blows damage
verbal copper
Specially since you could even do a multi-arm angle for like a spider weapon, or tentacle grippers
outer heron
high as fuck mobility, death by a thousand blows damage
okay hear me out
not just gauntlets
but rocket or shotgun gauntlets
amber frost
YEAHHHH
SHOTGUN GAUNTLETS
AND YOU USE THE SHOTGUN BLAST FOR MOBILITY
AND HAVE TO RELOAD THEM FROM TIME TO TIME LIKE GUNLANCE
BUT THEY MAKE RELOADING PART OF PUNCHES SO YOURE HEAVILY PUSHED TO KEEP THE PRESSURE ON
teal halo
boutta do a seven page muda on nu udra
amber frost
boutta do a seven page muda on nu udra
you understand me on a spiritual level
teal halo
the worst part about this not being real is that it would fit perfectly in the vibes of the series
amber frost
i also just would appreciate another weapon that used the gun-melee idea that gunlance is about
you can absolutely take gun-melee in so many different ways
outer heron
amber frost
Specially if we wanna take gunlance back to more grounded than rise, give that mobility to a new weapon!
teal halo
you've already got lance shotguns and trick weapons that turn into buzzsaws and swingable explosions, so what's more "Monster Hunter" than a weapon where you go up to a giant dragon and PUNCH IT IN THE FACE
amber frost
it's just so weird we don't have a fists weapon
it's like the one bit of the market untapped
teal halo
one of the dual blades in wilds is claws so the MH team sees the dual blades as a good enough fist weapon even though it isnt at all
i want to be able to do a fucking stand rush and have it paralyze a monster so i can keep punching it
outer heron
mm
what i want out of a fists weapon is more like
shotgun dodges, like wilds gunlance but prompted by a blast
i want to be hyper-mobile through the use of my intrinsic weapon tool, letting me get between the head and legs
DB combos that end in a double-handed open palm wyvernfire explosion
amber frost
Yeah, you get me
I just want a super mobile blunt weapon
cause we don't really have that, SNS is close but
not
really
SNS's blunt is more focused on now n days sure, but it's still primarily sword and shield
teal halo
can you imagine what the zoh shia ones would look like?
verbal copper
Zoh ones would be massive hand wraps
mossy meteor
Get my blast status fingerless gloves and do some fucked up Fist of the North Star stuff to this pitiful beast
You could even still do comedy weapons like big foam fingers or oversized boxing gloves
amber frost
BIG
MEATY
CLAWS
mossy meteor
Zoh Shia would totally have two long straps floating behind you in the wind like a ninja scarf
teal halo
Get my blast status fingerless gloves and do some fucked up Fist of the North St...
hell yeag
mossy meteor
Full meter on the weapon lets you do a kamehameha
teal halo
YES
amber frost
finally a mizu weapon i'll use
an aside i should hunt some more mizus, i genuinely wanna make a build with their weapons
verbal copper
I like the Mizu horn
teal halo
everyone likes the mizu horn because the mizu horn is peak
mizu horn is love
mizu horn is life
amber frost
Mizu is peak to me
verbal copper
bubbles : )
mossy meteor
Give 'em the greatsword treatment. Power clash where you suplex the monster over your head, and an offset where you uppcut it in the jaw!
rapid lion
I had an idea for fist-adjacent weapons which were more like a pata or katar (not as long-bladed as a pata, but more gauntlet-like as a katar).
Their gimmick was that by hitting specific parts of the body you could collect one colored extract for each gauntlet, and then once you had something in both you could clap your hands together and release a cloud of colored gas with different effects.
visual lava
Did anyone mention Tonfa yet?
amber frost
Like the frontiers one or just an independent one?
visual lava
From Frontier yeah
amber frost
Yeah it was briefly brought up
mostly in needing some tuning down to be in line with mainline games
visual lava
oh I meant like
people are talking about fist or fist-adjacent weapons
That's basically what Tonfa are half the time
eager anchor
Just give us a weird redmage adjacent weapon. Melee swap into ranged.
Or whipswords
visual lava
That's just long Gunlance
mossy meteor
Thinking about the gaps in (melee) weapons, you have
Big single hit
Many little hits
Big bonk
Small bonk with buffs
Big shield with little pokes
Medium shield with medium explodey
Many aerial attacks
Counter gameplay
Versatile gameplay
Build-up buff stacking into release
Weapon swapping cycles
We're missing single aerial hits, many little bonks as the obvious ones (ignoring weapon mechanic stuff). Punch gloves/tonfas kinda fill that niche.
The legendary Flying Greatsword...
visual lava
single aerial hits was just Aerial Greatsword
teal halo
what could be single aerial hits...
mossy meteor
Could be fun to have like, Insect Gauntlets. That way the kinsect mechanic isn't such an island (like ammo for bowguns), you could do interesting things like long glide hops to reposition and get your buffs.
mossy meteor
single aerial hits was just Aerial Greatsword
Yeah, but not the way insect glaive stays in the air. Accel axe kinda does it?
I have not played Explore and have no strong viewpoint here
stray oriole
Waiting very patiently for the kinsect trees to expand. (Hopeful)
outer heron
single aerial hits was just Aerial Greatsword
also aerial hammer
stray oriole
I haven't touched it yet this title, I'm fuckin up. Maybe It'll be my secondary for the lbg build I'm about to dive into
visual lava
I played it a bit in the demo
the thing with IG in Wilds is that you have to hold circle to charge its most important move while you're doing other stuff
vapid quartz
ok quick question, foray iirc gives affinity and damage boosts for paralysis and poison, can both be active at once?
can something even be poisoned and parad at once
stray oriole
the thing with IG in Wilds is that you have to hold circle to charge its most im...
The tornado did take some getting used to but once it clicked it's a really comedic flow state for glaive. I did an sos with a couple fellas also running it, one of us got a mount and once the uth duna got knocked down we all did the rising spiral at the exact same time and I cackled
vapid quartz
i love it i just never know when i need to use it, i cant tell when my 3 extract state is gonna end
void narwhal
With wounds and the Spiral recovering sauce, I tend to just use it when.. the monster will take the hits
stray oriole
Ye, guaranteeing it is ideal
vapid quartz
yeah sometimes i just hold it for too long wanting to spin to win multiple times without using the full versiion
visual lava
can something even be poisoned and parad at once
afaik yes, but paralysis lasts for such a short time that I don't think it's really that meaningful for Foray either way. You'd mostly be looking at using it with Poison.
vapid quartz
for sure basically i have a poison insect glaive with a paralysis kinsect so i was just curious if the bonuses would double up at any point
visual lava
that I'm not sure on
but even if it did, I don't think it'd be worth running over other offensive skills anyways
vapid quartz
im excited i finally got a throttle gem yesterday from temp duna so ive finished off my current latent power build
visual lava
nice
outer heron
Ye, guaranteeing it is ideal
stray oriole
Don't post pictures of me in chat! I haven't slept in 4 days!
I'm so excited to relearn light bowgun. It was a lot of fun in rise
But it pains me because I also just started messing around with gunlance and that thing is nutso. So many weapons and so little time to actually play them
graceful snow
verbal copper
rey being a silly bean
halcyon fractal
teal halo
Why does Zoh Shia look like a Pokemon
it does look like some sort of attempt at making an an artificial arceus
heady stone
Why does Zoh Shia look like a Pokemon
Because it's a person's idea of what an all powerful Dragon weapon would look like. In Lore
tardy grotto
I would prefer Steampunk Mechagodzilla, tbh
heady stone
I prefer the bio-engineered version cuz it shows us how advanced the ancient civilisation was
elder lava
So, I can't believe it happened but
I think I"m getting ever-so-slightly bored of gunlance
But I've never used another weapon and I'm terrified of trying them out. I was thinking one of the bowguns because ranged boom
But I would like to ask how to start
desert light
hAVE GUN, SHOOT MONSTER
tbh, i have no idea, bowguns are COMPLEX in monster hutner
(mainly so they keep parity with melee)
mystic cape
Well first you need to familiarize yourself with the ammo types
elder lava
I'm listening
mystic cape
Oh I don't really play gunner either I'm just saying that. Cause normal, pierce, and spread are all different behaviors and ranges. Plus dragon ammo worked differently than other elemental ammo types as it was limited and more of a big boom than a standard shoot. Also sticky ammo ignored defense values like Gunlance shells.
elder lava
Rrrrright
Gonna need to look up some guides
weak gulch
The first steps are probably getting used to normal/pierce/spread depending on the game. I'e heard MH World uses Spread ammo a lot, idk about Wilds.
visual lava
Personally, the most fun I've had with bowguns in this game is Wyvernheart focused HBG
If you don't want to craft an Artian, then the best one for that playstyle is Congalala
brave hazel
Don't bother with Spread if this is Wilds, they gave ALL spread the recoil that sends you flying back and it's goddamn near unusable now
teal halo
Don't bother with Spread if this is Wilds, they gave ALL spread the recoil that ...
not with that attitude it isnt
brave hazel
Lol
The issue with it is you get animation locked into that longass "flinging you back" animation
Which for an ammo type that NEEDS to be near the monster is a Big Fucking Problem
void narwhal
Works pretty fine for LBG rapidfire stuff, but heavy is a lil slow
visual lava
iirc, the new Zoh Shia HBG gets a huge amount of high level pierce
which is probably the best general use ammo
weak gulch
Does Wilds's Pierce 3 still need a really huge target to get max hits on?
zealous laurel
I dunno about max hits, but afaik pierce is considered the best right now because it recharges Wyvernheart Ignitian real fast.
The Mizu HBG is absolutely cracked for this
visual lava
oh, maybe I got them confused
I just remember one of the two new ones has really good pierce
Congalala has a small mag size but it has Special Ammo Boost and can get the strongest Wyvernheart possible
zealous laurel
Yeah, it can get a 6 round pierce mag and st2. I do wish it was the Zoh one though because that one looks cooler IMO. Looking forward to layered weapons lol
visual lava
for sure for sure
brave hazel
Ditto
Hopefully they do it like Rise's layered weapons where they're just cosmetics you can freely equip rather than World's
visual lava
I would be surprised if it didn't just work the same as armor does now in Wilds
zealous laurel
I forget, in World you had to spend rare materials to add a layered skin to every weapon right?
brave hazel
I forget, in World you had to spend rare materials to add a layered skin to ever...
And a shitton of research points too
zealous laurel
Ah yes... While I like having non-critical incentives to do more endgame hunts, I think I'd prefer if they just give you the reusable layered weapon for every one you craft normally. ๐
frank epoch
Made another impulse purchase
pine basin
my monhun wilds gear comparison spreadsheet has hit v0.7!
all current TU1 gear is added, I reorganized the weapon comparison section and made it so you don't have to manually add entries, and started the groundwork for an artian weapon assembly sheet that will also feed into the weapon comparison
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A_FWsKjD9AWlQCbeQ-B9NRq10cxU1hmaiUSTuQQkpaQ/edit?usp=sharing
brave hazel
I hope they redo him someday
near bane
I FINNALY DID IT AFTER 30 OR SO TRIES
mossy meteor
Nice job!! The arena quests are NOT easy, solo or with a partner.
near bane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351834916723101706/1361395051095396453/image.png?ex=67fe9971&is=67fd47f1&hm=089e01db1b03be5dc4b2b5601c0a23f24fc04d86482929dc4250ea6018cac777&
i died a little inside when i got this time
the assistant only hindered me when i tried them
i was using the lance
there are some bullshit moves in there that goes though the shield and kill me when im at 10% hp, the build has heroic in it for some reason
this thing was a challenge
mossy meteor
I've gotten A ranks on everything except Rathian. I hate that fight even when I have flash pods...at least the chatacabra and doshaguma don't stay in the air and do the stupid "Rath run" back and forth.
Dosha was harder for just carting you randomly for sure though, that one digging attack where it flips the table gets me every time
near bane
that one usually misses me because im on the floor apreciating my i frames
real zodiac
Tear the ground upwards tend to be unblockable without guard up, but dosha's, at least, has an opening
While he's up on his hind legs, you can focus attack him in the crotch to cancel it
mossy meteor
Man, I have GOT to get better at those focus attack counters, that's crazy. I know a few like Rey Dau's horns, Arkveld's chains, Chata's tongue (after they attack) but not many of the cancelable ones.
void narwhal
Half the weapons feel a bit too sluggish to properly catch the weakpoints tbqh
Makes me appreciate the get-right-to-it-ness of SNS/DB
real zodiac
Lance and ls are pretty prompt too
desert light
Half the weapons feel a bit too sluggish to properly catch the weakpoints tbqh
A lot of it is knowing the monsters and how to react. Knowing the opportunity is there is a big thing
My favorite cancel is easily Gyro though, since it's very funny
stiff dust
charge blade has a nice speed, reasonable wide and high attack and even a little gap closing hop to it
quite fond of the cb focus strike
hollow comet
hit a new damage pb in rise, 3254 ๐
also got thunder attack 5 on my thunder cb to play some savage axe, so now i need to find something suspiciously thunder-weak
๐ช
vapid quartz
I recently found the wound focus strike of GS retains the charge level of the last strike you made man theres still shit I'm learning
frank epoch
I recently found the wound focus strike of GS retains the charge level of the l...
Tackle and Leaping Wide Slash also inherit charge levels
tardy grotto
Does anyone have any good let's plays of Rise?
desert light
I recently found the wound focus strike of GS retains the charge level of the l...
Squiddar beat me to it. But not only that if you tackle and then do a new attack, it'll keep that charge levle too/charge faster
Focus strike can also be used to cancel TCS recovery
which is great if oyu hit a wound, since you can immediately TCS again
zealous laurel
I'm just learning GS after 100 hours of Sword and Shield and it's like learning the game all over again. But a ton of fun!
verbal copper
Tell me about it. Picking up another weapon for arena after total horn use is like learning French while a rathalos attacks you
heady stone
Tell me about it. Picking up another weapon for arena after total horn use is li...
Je Suis Monte?
verbal copper
Indeed
balmy swan
Swaxe > GS was a journey yeah
And now I'm working on learning CB which is a whole other thing all over again
heady stone
I never had this experience as I tried every weapon and only really developed a "main" a while into my mh journey (HBG). Anytime I had an issue beating a specific monster I just swapped weapons until I found one that worked
Beat most of MHGU swapping between every weapons sans LS, Swaxe, GL and HH
balmy swan
I experimented with a bunch of weapons in World but I wound up landing on swaxe for a combination of gameplay and aesthetic reasons
Then the changes they made to it in Wilds threw me off and made it a bit of a struggle for me to play, so I tried GS and found that I liked the changes
(having tried it in World and found it not engaging enough for my taste)
Likewise I didn't click with CB in World, but the addition of being able to charge your shield without going through the full AED cancel combo in Wilds is making it work better for me
I still want to circle back to swaxe at some point and come to grips with its Wilds playstyle
outer heron
mossy meteor
Swaxe > GS was a journey yeah
I really like that GS and Swaxe have very similar skill wants in Wilds. I get to run a GS/SA set and swap fluidly when I feel like it (or get tired of missing the offset) and not worry about all my skills changing. Feels good.
zealous laurel
Do you guys try to fish offsets with GS in multiplayer? I find myself whiffing a lot because of the monster constantly changing directions and overall just acting less predictably.
outer heron
i never go for offsets in mp
mossy meteor
Yeah, I still try. Some are way easier than others because they're more telegraphed or have wider hit boxes, like Uth Duna or Rathian charging. I haven't even come close to stopping Mizutsune once in MP.
zealous laurel
I live in constant fear of getting 1 shorted by Mizu's flip attack
mossy meteor
Hate that thing
And the barrel roll
And the water laser while enraged
And...I think there's a fourth instakill move too
zealous laurel
Right? Like, I'm perfectly capable of dying on my own, thank you.
balmy swan
I occasionally go for mp offsets but only if the monster is very clearly aggroed on me
Like if Dosha's reared up on its hind legs looking straight at me? Yeah sure
I don't do a lot of offset fishing in general, though
visual lava
I mean, the older playstyles of swaxe still work
you don't have to do FRS if you don't want to
I loved Alchemy swaxe in GU tho, only started using it late in my playthrough
balmy swan
For me, the difficulty was that I developed a very hit-and-run playstyle in World that worked in part because the switch gauge recharged passively, while the Wilds switch axe really pushes you towards committing to combo strings in order to re-up your switch gauge
Which is fine! I'm not unhappy with it and I want to experiment with stuff like Rapid Morph centric playstyles
I was just having a hard time clicking in while playing through the story missions so I hopped over to another weapon
visual lava
huh, I thought the gauge also recharges passively in Wilds (just slowly)
I'm usually going unga bunga tho so I don't really pay attention, plus the swaxe I use has Focus on it
balmy swan
Very slowly when unsheathed, faster when sheathed, iirc. But the bulk of your switch gauge regen will be coming from axe mode attacks
visual lava
I honestly dropped rapid morph tho, people did some testing and the effect is limited to only portions of a handful of animations, so it didn't really seem worth it to me
balmy swan
I actually didn't think about whether Focus would affect the switch gauge regen, though. I should look into that
Like it makes sense that it would, I just was biased against Focus bc it wasn't actually especially useful on swaxe in World
visual lava
It does, it increases both the switch gauge and sword gauge generation
well idk about passive regen actually
but definitely when you hit the monster
balmy swan
I mean boosting axe mode hit regen is good too
I was always trying to land the spiral burst slash for maximum regen and getting bodied for my trouble
visual lava
yeah, I know what you mean
making sure you have power axe active helps too
for me, I think the main thing I struggle with is positioning while in sword mode
balmy swan
Yeah it's tough
My rule of thumb with swaxe is that if you need to reposition more than a hop/roll or two, you change back to axe mode for it
It's just easier
... tangential question, does counterhit/Dosha armor proc on any offset hit or only on ones that get a knockdown?
visual lava
You're talking about the Powerhouse set bonus, right? I'm not sure, I don't use it myself.
balmy swan
Hmmm. Should test that, then
Aaaagh this conversation is giving me a buildcrafting itch again, why do I have to be stuck at work
zealous laurel
I would guess any that connects, but I haven't tested it. Counterstrike even procs on Greataword tackles.
balmy swan
Gotta start running that
zealous laurel
I'm enjoying having both offensive guard and counterstrike on my gs build. It feels good getting rewarded for both blocking and hyperarmoring through attacks.
visual lava
well so counterstrike is completely different
the reason it sometimes triggers during Offsets is because sometimes you still take chip damage
real zodiac
I think that counterstrike triggers when you take a hit that would k ock you down
Even if you negate the knockdown damage with something, such as an offset, or a counterthrust
visual lava
if you negate 100% of the damage, you won't proc counterstrike
you have to take at least a little bit of the damage (and it would have had to have caused knockdown if not offset/superarmored/etc.) to trigger counterstrike
balmy swan
I guess that means swaxe counter would probably proc it too, since you get chip damage from that
frank epoch
I guess that means swaxe counter would probably proc it too, since you get chip ...
It does
desert light
Counterstrike is extremely strong. Also great if you're at all bad, you get rewarded for being punched into the ground
balmy swan
Me fr
verbal copper
Same
balmy swan
Played swaxe last night for the first time since hitting HR, and despite getting knocked around plenty I had a pretty good time
I wonder if my detour into GS didn't sharpen up my positioning and monster reading a bit
Also, tempered Rath is nasty
verbal copper
I hate tail attacks. The stupid poison swipe and all those tail slaps
balmy swan
I had at least two instances last night where I tried to sword counter the 360-degree tail spin, only for the first hit to pass harmlessly over me before I got smacked by the second hit
MonHun and fucky hitboxes, name a more iconic combo
verbal copper
Me squatting under the ass of the gore magala blowing my horn and trying to glitch my hurtbox into the floor
visual lava
I also fail to block roars all the time because I'm in the monster's crotch and it dead angles me
outer heron
ain't that a mood
void narwhal
Blocking roars as a concept has always felt a little foggy so I'll give 'em that one
balmy swan
Blocking roars as a concept has always felt a little foggy so I'll give 'em that...
Better or worse than dodging roars?
void narwhal
Somewhat less silly perhaps
I get the perfect dodge from that on DB just because i'm usually closing the distance with it and get the free buff
mossy meteor
Dodging a roll with no evade boosting makes you feel like a god though
Imagine the tier list in your head since I'm lazy
S: Raw dodge roll
A: perfect block, Iai counter
B: Counter attacks (swaxe, LS)
C: Blocking, earplugs
D: Getting stunned out of your super hit
E: Getting stunned by another monster entering the arena, roaring three times in a row, and then carting while the other guy does Tekken combos on you
void narwhal
I can't remember which game it was, maybe 4U, but there was a Tigrex + Brute Tigrex mission and it was just Situation E a thousand times
naive elk
we just got to the point in Fatty where ||Proof of a Hero|| starts playing...
we are close โข๏ธ
we just need to perfect the first half of the fight so we have carts for the last part
we're doing insanely good on damage and we managed to get dual headbreak in that last run we did which, essentially after you get that you have done the hard part
gotta say, ||Proof of a Hero|| playing when you get to i think it was 25% health was so insanely hype
empty raft
Calling him fatty is wild
naive elk
nah it's what he deserves for body blocking my dodges so often, the bastard
i've definitely come around to enjoying the fight tho
unlike what ended up happening with Alatreon, who i still despise
visual lava
Calling him fatty is wild
I feel like it's a pretty common abbreviation
naive elk
that too
tardy grotto
Fatty?
empty raft
i just hadnt seen it before lolol
tardy grotto
Ah, right
naive elk
me and my buddies are currently running 4-man against it
we just got it to 25% health for the first time today
tardy grotto
Sounds like a problem quad HBG would pretty easily fix
naive elk
probably
we've got uh
Longsword, Hammer, Dual Blades and Hammer
i'm running Dual Blades
currently we've got insanely good damage, we can easily get the first phase done in 5 minutes or less
we just need to get better at breaking the head
had Fatty pressed on our last attempt getting it down to 25% and breaking its head twice to counter its increased damage in phase 3, but we ended up using too many carts early on in the quest
it's difficult to hit the dual partbreak on the head tho
tardy grotto
?
inland ruin
And now I'm working on learning CB which is a whole other thing all over again
I love charge blade
tardy grotto
Having never played, and being a Mechanochist, I want to play Bowguns, Gunlance, and CB
inland ruin
I play heavy bowgun charge blade and lance
Only cus I haven't really gotten around to trying switch axe n gunlance
I also wanna try greatsword sometime and maybe hammer but idk if ill like hammer
Tho lately I've been investing into artians cus they do crazy damage n I finally got the parts to make a dragon element charge blade but when using it it seemed to do less damage from SAED than my other elements artian charge blades.
Yes I made different element artian charge blades because uh I could and idc about getting artians for other weapons that much.
But I rembered the artian electric would do 100+ dmg even with the lightning bolts invidiually from SAED whereas with the dragon element the dragon explosions from SAED only did like 40 damage or something.
I just needa get a stronger lance so I can go beat up zoh shia
tardy grotto
I play heavy bowgun charge blade and lance
Any HBG tips?
inland ruin
Shoot the monsie :3 (idk)
Hbg is fun just be aware of the enemy's attacks n dodge accordingly I guess. Or guard
inland ruin
Not rare at all in wilds in my experience.
First of all you can just buy 80% of the ammo types for pretty cheap. I just make sure I have 300 of every type I can buy in my inventory then for a hunt most I use is like 150 of a specific ammo type
Plus the 3 regular ammo types are just infinite.
tardy grotto
Not rare at all in wilds in my experience.
I figured it's a better (definitely cheaper) place to start
tardy grotto
Still hard?
inland ruin
Idk is my first mh game. So far the only hard thing is the tempered apex monsters and zoh shia n tempered arkveld n such
Particularly because zoh shia hates me
tardy grotto
Been hit with the legendary Rey Dau Popup double cart?
inland ruin
Lmao not yet
But similarly in helldivers I have terrible luck
One time in that game I just literally spontaneously caught on fire.
I have the worst luck in mh and helldivers.
tardy grotto
You know of what I speak, then?
inland ruin
Yeah the getting carted n then rey dau finds you at your popup camp n carts you again
inland ruin
I have had the joining thr zoh shia arena again after getting carted and then it did that area attack right then n there. Not the phase change one but the normal one that's similar to it where only being behind it is safe.
So I double carted because of that
The kinda bs that hits me all the time
inland ruin
From a while ago but abzohlute shianema
inland ruin
Single random projectile gets headshot?
That's more of a helldivers 2 moment for me
Sometimes zoh shia just grows a braincell n realises what works and just does it twice
tardy grotto
Shoulda used a wirebug ๐
inland ruin
Ancient knowledge that lil baby me doesn't know :3
tardy grotto
(Mechanic from Rise)
inland ruin
Tbf fighting zoh shia solo with heavy bowgun isn't the best move
tardy grotto
Basically charges that let you grapple or quickkip
inland ruin
I'm just either fighting zoh shia with friends to get the zoh shia lance n then fight zoh shia with that or I just get the artian stuff to get a dragon element lance
inland ruin
I could just get a better lance another way as well but I can't be bothered lol
I need to get a gunlance sometime n play that sometime.
I know I want to but then I see a monsie n go charge blade
I also need to play swaxe
tardy grotto
I would sleep on GL more, but it has 6 bullets
inland ruin
I have noticed that getting an artian weapon is just so much nicer because I can put 3 level 3 decos ob
For the element damage increase, the focus jewel for extra speed on charge attacks tho maybe I should change that to the extra morph speed or something and the magazine jewel so I can get a fully overcharged phials from the red charged blade instead of 2 times the red charged blade.
tardy grotto
Artian?
inland ruin
Yeah that's a thing in wilds you can make artian weapons idk if it's in other games but i thought artian was some kind of thing throughout the series
inland ruin
I just hunt the monsies
tardy grotto
Just shoot em
I really want more gun classes
Dual bowguns
Sword and bowgun
Crossbow
tardy grotto
I just hunt the monsies
Oh, forgot to ask
Sniper or MG preferred?
inland ruin
Don't have a preference though I don't really care as much for pew pew pew pew pew I care more for PEW PEW
inland ruin
I love big rifles
stiff dust
looks like nerscylla to me
tardy grotto
Nerscylla is black, though, right?
desert light
Nerscylla is black, though, right?
It's armor is always the very disticnt bone white with reddy orange highlights, so yeah, that's a nerscylla piece
it always has a sci-fiish theme
tardy grotto
I just want a Rey Dau HBG
verbal copper
Gore magala is still a horrible fight even with top tier stuff and fighting them a few times
Horrific beaft
heady stone
Dual bowguns
PLEASE CAPCOM I'LL BE YOUR STRONGEST SOLDIER IF YOU ADD DUAL BOWGUNS
I have fond memories of Dual Double-Barrelled Lacerators from Ratchett and Clank Size Matters
snow helm
Nerscylla is black, though, right?
The thing with Nerscylla is that the black cloak she wears is actually the skin of a Gypceros, it's usually pretty hard to see because you fight her in the darker areas but after you break it off you can see she's actually closer to these colours
vapid quartz
It's so cool cuz she's weak to lightning so she makes a rubber cloak to protect herself and sequesters its poison as crystal too
brave hazel
PLEASE CAPCOM I'LL BE YOUR STRONGEST SOLDIER IF YOU ADD DUAL BOWGUNS
Akimbo pistol bowguns would be raw as fuck
LBGs but somehow even more mobile
frank epoch
I've seen it in game, it's very funny lmao
heady stone
no shit this is real
Frontier has ridiculous armor and weapons. You can be a rubber duck
zealous laurel
The fact they chose THAT as a costume to implement is so vile lmao.
frank epoch
I wanna say there's also a Mami fit
There's at least a Miku outfit and a Miku hunting horn
vapid quartz
theres outfits of all the girls with their own weapons
they gave kyoko a longsword as a spear for some reason tho
inland ruin
I think I might the best hunter ever
tardy grotto
Fair nuff
inland ruin
But yeah I'd just gotten carted n then this is how I get back lol
inland ruin
True
tardy grotto
Something I find very funny about MH Bowguns is how low-yield they are
Like, all that metal and monster bits, to make a popgun
As opposed to, say, an M82
naive elk
yeah but MH Bowguns also have mega exotic ammo
naive elk
the Monster Hunter movie ironically shows you why
normal bullets from our guns do absolute fuck all against monsters
naive elk
my friend, you are fighting elemental dragons
the Hunters do things the way they do for a reason
pretty sure they us an rpg at some point in the movie to negligible effect
tardy grotto
RPG I get, as it can be fluffed as fire damage
tardy grotto
But bullet be bullet
stiff dust
it's a video game
naive elk
ok it wasn't a mounted machine gun, it was a mini-gun
it has less than zero effect on Diablos
tardy grotto
Now that's just lazy writing
naive elk
strongest US military mounted vehicular weaponry vs. weakest monster hunter with a bow
heady stone
What on earth are they *made* of?
The bullets are made of materials from the Monster Hunter universe. Presumably incredibly strong
naive elk
and yeah they use materials from their freaky death world to make everything
tardy grotto
The monsters, I meant
heady stone
The monsters, I meant
They are bioengineered super weapons after all
tardy grotto
Wait, what? Where did I miss that?
naive elk
oh yeah the diablos also eats a full bandolier of handgrenades at point blank to the face and it does no damage lmao
gods what a movie
teal halo
They fucked up nerscylla, they made Rathalos weak to fire, made diablos break off her own horn, and just generally had bad writing.
naive elk
yup
heady stone
Thatโs just the guardians
Oh yeah true. So either they're bioengineered super weapons or creatures that can go up against them
naive elk
still, monsters in MonHun are pretty fucking tough
heady stone
They fucked up nerscylla, they made Rathalos weak to fire, made diablos break of...
Costume design. Just costume design
teal halo
That too
naive elk
i did like at least that the military people went in with their guns and shit and got owned
also Meowscular chef was there so
i quite liked that
tardy grotto
I would prefer if the dominate
naive elk
would have loved to see live action Grammeowster Chef but it is what it is
heady stone
Why didn't they cast Ron Pearlman as the Commander instead of the Admiral btw?
teal halo
Nice bullets, dingus. WOE, DIABLOS BE UPON THEE
tardy grotto
Until they run outta ammo
cyan tulip
It's a video game lol
You can come up with three dozen different excuses why it won't work, but the answer is "different logic standards"
naive elk
i did also like that they didn't make the weapons smaller in the movie
they still look comically huge
heady stone
You can come up with three dozen different excuses why it won't work, but the an...
What are you referring to actually? Just to clarify?
cyan tulip
Why bullets don't or wouldn't work
heady stone
they still look comically huge
They're actually smaller iirc. Least the GS is
naive elk
they are a bit smaller yeah but still big enough
heady stone
Tony Jaa rocked
slow shoal
Guns don't work cause guns don't work, they don't work because it would be frankly boring if they did
get in here and fight the giant monster yourself, get in there
naive elk
real
mystic cape
Also IIRC the weapons are that comically large because they have to be to even pierce the hides of the weaker large monsters
Not to mention the bowguns are more like mortar launchers than rifles
naive elk
yeah
mossy meteor
Warframe did a thing recently where they had a skin (and guns, actually) from 1999. Just a straight up glock next to all these crazy scifi weapons. There are many reasons not to do that here, but counterpoint: it would be funny
You've got a guy with dual blades (reasonable), a sword and shield (classic fantasy stuff), a switch axe (pretty advanced but ultimately plausible), and That Is a Real Gun
vocal haven
I would love a handbowgun + knife/shortsword/one db weapon
Pistol plus knife just goes hard as a stylish combat style
mossy meteor
We were talking here the other day about underrepresented weapons, a close/far range hybrid is one I don't think anyone mentioned!
vocal haven
Basically just bloodborne but mh lol
mossy meteor
Two meters that charge each other, both are constantly active. Close range hits to power up the gun, gun hits to power up the knife, big focus on long dodges that combo into shots or stabs
I see the vision
balmy swan
You've got a guy with dual blades (reasonable), a sword and shield (classic fant...
given that MH does have a long history of gag weapons, i could see something like a bowgun that's just straight up an AK-47 or something like that
nobody comments on it, it's just there
lone citrus
"A retired design used by veteran hunters" just have that be the description
Make the "theorists" have an aneurysm
vapid quartz
i think a whip would be a cool weapon, mid range, semi ranged
mystic cape
I still think the next weapon should be a mid speed exhaust damage weapon. A bo staff that lets you do ground dashes could be fun, like an inverted Insect Glaive
real zodiac
Yeah fundamentally mh does not hold up to scrutiny regarding realism or physics
And it broadcasts that pretty clearly with the weapons
It's all aesthetics
void narwhal
What's unrealistic about batting a dragon to death with a saxophone
Aside from somehow never breaking the reed
real zodiac
I mean, literally every step of that, which is my point :p
mystic cape
But that's the best part!
empty raft
i think a whip would be a cool weapon, mid range, semi ranged
I would love a whip yeah
Maybe they could bring back oils for something โฆ.
vapid quartz
imagine it using slinger type targeting and you could pull yourself around
verbal copper
Two suggested weapons being punch arms and a whip
heady stone
verbal copper
See I think the concept is neat but I love the idea of fist weapons but the main reason is the single silly idea I made in my head of Mizu making a pair of big bubble boxing gloves. Like, Congolala or however it's spelled being turned into a pair of gorilla arms would work real good, but bubble bappers is my style
desert light
I think the main issue iwth fist wepaons is going to be problems iwth reahc and hit boxes
(also i think other than "Rapid blunt weapon", they collide pretty heavily with Duals and SnS as The Really Fast weapons identiy)
naive elk
Yeah
stiff dust
I think the main issue iwth fist wepaons is going to be problems iwth reahc and ...
just put them on a big comical spring
desert light
Put another way, as much as I like new weapon ideas and have had plenty of my own, I'm also very confident in the mh design teams chops, and there's very good reasons they haven't reached beyond 14 weapons other than the odd experiment. And we know they've considered stuff like Fist+ Boomerang weapon, or the attack dog (no, not the palamutes, this was a full on weapon that had concept sketches), or even prowler mode.
The most design space I see is in something that has both ranged & melee gameplay - harpoon & chain, javelins etc have all been suggested before.
But ultimately a new weapon means design resources that have to go to it, instead of polishing, refining, and enhancing existing weapons. And that's a hell of a bargain to be asked to make
eager anchor
I'll take prowler mode again if they can cook it longer to make it scale into grank better
weary charm
What was prowler mode?
Also we kinda get fists with one of the dual blades if you don't mind it being a reskin, I think it's cool as hell
tardy grotto
A hybrid ranged melee build is really needed
rapid lion
A hybrid ranged melee build is really needed
Maybe some kind of flail weapon? Or a meteor hammer or something. Or just a weapon on a chain, or maybe it separates in the middle so that part of it swings out on a chain. I dunno, though. I agree that it doesn't make sense for them to make another core weapon type.
brave hazel
You ever look at a motherfucker and instantly know who their favorite artist is
twin ibex
tardy grotto
Yeah, that's pretty good
verbal copper
Damn that be fashion
balmy swan
PFFFFFFFT
i knocked myself flying with the camping kit and it activated Counterstrike ๐คฃ
desert light
Look, any move that sends you flying...
desert light
mossy meteor
i knocked myself flying with the camping kit and it activated Counterstrike ๐คฃ
Speedrunners SALIVATING at this hidden tech
Starting the run by chugging 4 drinks and knocking yourself over with a tent
heady stone
Starting the run by chugging 4 drinks and knocking yourself over with a tent
Back in old gen this was kinda the strat with small barrel bombs to cut out drink animations
desert light
Back in old gen this was kinda the strat with small barrel bombs to cut out drin...
Yeah, you ran up to the zone boundary, then planted one while you drank so you'd get blasted
naive elk
we got to 10% on Fatalis and lost ๐ญ
gods
we haven't been using Felyne Insurance or Safeguard all the time apparently so we're going to do that
desert light
Oh, those would help a lot
desert light
graceful snow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F33ACcPbhU Just a head's up the festival is live right now
brave hazel
BUNNY DANGO RETURNS
brave hazel
Holy shit it's Spawn
desert light
today i learned stalwart guards are a thing
(They're the name for guaridng against a contiouns projectile attack)
verbal copper
BUNNY DANGO RETURNS
heck yeah badass
stiff dust
today i learned stalwart guards are a thing
what do they do mechanically speaking
mossy meteor
what do they do mechanically speaking
Basically you hold your guard up and can walk forward against the beam, and can attack out of it. Gravios is the most consistent trigger for me to do it with the big laser fire.
I think lance and gunlance get a special charge attack, kinda like an offset?
mystic cape
Lance has a special charge guard that leads into a big super stab that gets stronger if you block an attack
Don't think Gunlance has a block counter like that
rich valve
there's a special attack you can do out of Stalwart Guard as Gunlance yeah
I think it also charges Charge Blade phials to do this
i mostly see it when fighting the big octopus
mossy meteor
Oh duh, the lava wave attack? I always just run away since the windup is SO long. Makes sense you could guard that.
radiant trail
it's possible against a certain balahara gunk beam too
mystic cape
Now do it again for the best gear in the entire game
naive elk
i mean
i already have full fatty armor
we all had it, that was the last thing we needed to do
mystic cape
Plunderang?
naive elk
mhm
brave hazel
I still need to go and do that
graceful snow
Got the festival dailies done today...
balmy swan
oh crap right bounties are daily during the festival
i should take care of some of those then
desert light
Some are daily, some are weekly
hollow comet
did my first primordial malzeno hunt using LS the whole way through, I used to have to switch to sns to get through the 20 move string but now i simply outrun/outposition it
also took down risen kushala decently easily 
hollow comet
naive elk
forgot how cracked out you are as a hunter in Rise
visual lava
I feel like Rise hunters are super fast and skilled
but Wilds hunters are just so incredibly buff
mostly based off of the existence of offsets
you can just slap away monster's attacks like they're nothing
balmy swan
Hmmm, now that I've started playing GS in Wilds I kind of want to go back to wirebug GS in Rise. I remember that being fun
hollow comet
strongarm stance is so awesome
visual lava
surge style... 
hollow comet
I also have to give that a shot sometime
balmy swan
L + dodged your attack + auto-sheathed my sword + got buffed. Get draw attacked dumbass
verbal copper
What IS the draw attack stuff good for? is it long sword attacks?
naive elk
yeah pretty sure
hollow comet
crit draw is really nice for the special sheathe combo
mossy meteor
Greatsword builds around it sometimes just because it's sometimes easy than trying to land a TCS.
Draw - slap - sheath - run over again - repeat
verbal copper
As a hunting horn person I was just very confused because why the heck would I put my dooter away?
naive elk
i play DB and IG so i've never had a use for them
with DB i need to maximize my uptime on hitting enemies and staying in demon/archdemon mode
with IG i'm just straight up flying
naive elk
real
gentle knoll
actually do the draw skills affect bowgun first shots?
or i guess all ranged weapons, huh... you can't draw into bow charge i don't think?
mossy meteor
In World, it even affects your claw attack. There's a really funny build with HBG where you just claw onto the face and attack to proc Frostcraft and Crit Draw.
gentle knoll
oh right the holding bottom right shoulder button when sheathed
balmy swan
As a hunting horn person I was just very confused because why the heck would I p...
GS likes to sheathe anyway because you get most of your mobility when you have your weapon put away, so draw attacks are pretty handy
We can't all self-buff for movement speed ๐
frank epoch
Pathetic
verbal copper
mizu tail slap is such pain
tardy grotto
Gestures to above post
hollow comet
gosh I forgot how satisfying it is when combat flows right and your positioning and combos and everything is just working
๐
graceful snow
Where egg quest in wilds
graceful snow
Someone did have a good idea for a fun quest though: ||Carry Poogie from the wyverian village to the windward plains||
desert light
We can't all self-buff for movement speed ๐
It's called tackle into jumping wide slash
balmy swan
Yes, I have heard whispers of this technique
It is a power some might call... unnatural
verbal copper
Where egg quest in wilds
I know where there's a couple of eggs but there's no direct quest
I have no idea how to get them tho
desert light
Only one I know of is up in the nests in the forest and needs outdoorsman
verbal copper
it definitely helps yeah
I wish there was a regular way to get sinister cloth
I want cool cloth stuff
brave hazel
The bonkerrrrrrrrrrrrrr
void narwhal
For sure read Poker Night Talisman
This is for when things go poorly and the fistfight erupts
hollow comet
LOL
it's my turn
it's my turn again
stay still
this is my definitive bonking charm now
hollow comet
the two slots are for the stamina thief
and I have one more stamina thief thingy somewhere else
+40% stun power
+40% exhaust power
hollow comet
i really like this weapon!!
especially with the uppercut counter being so satisfying to land
tardy grotto
(Context: I have not started World)
hollow comet
oop
tardy grotto
rise and world are on sale... so I can finally get my bestie to try the series
How much for all of World?
hollow comet
are you playing wilds atm?
tardy grotto
Nope
Need to finish my course before mum let's me take my battlestation to the track
hollow comet
checking now
hollow comet
Need to finish my course before mum let's me take my battlestation to the track
gotcha gotcha
tardy grotto
Which game would you say was your favourite, actually?
hollow comet
this stresses me out so much, because of the colons being so confusing
the top one does not contain the base game
the bottom one does
tardy grotto
Yuuuuuup
hollow comet
Which game would you say was your favourite, actually?
oooooooooh
i've finished most of rise and world, will start wilds this weekend, and have only played a tiny bit of MHGU, so I can really only speak on rise and world
hmm
tardy grotto
Ok, got the Master Deluxe for about what steam has it
Would you say Stories 1 and 2 were any good?
hollow comet
hmmmm, picking a favorite of the two is honestly really tough QwQ
world's friction, environment, and cutscenes made a lot of hunts memorable and super satisfying to learn, and rise's moveset modification and amazing combat have kept me hooked when I just want to go toe to toe with some monsties
I might go with rise if I had to choose, but it honestly is very tough
hollow comet
Would you say Stories 1 and 2 were any good?
maybe some others can speak on that, I haven't tried them >.>
I am a relative newcomer to the series
only started a year and a bit ago
hollow comet
yep!
do you know about wirebug skills already?
I think I saw you mention them a while back
tardy grotto
I know about the bugs, basically nothing else
...I would love to nerd out about this for a while, what time are you?
hollow comet
close to eepy time but i'll talk for maybe 15 minutes or so?
hollow comet
I know about the bugs, basically nothing else
alrightyy
so the bugs also come with flashy moves for each weapon type, that puts 1 or 2 bugs on cooldown for some time; basically just a resource for special moves (or you can spend one to get off of the ground quickly)
each weapon gets a bunch of these, split into 2 input categories (ZL + Y, ZL + B for xbox controller)
with those, you have some customization with the moves you bring to a hunt
however!
you can also switch out other parts of the weapons movesets that aren't tied to the bugs
hollow comet
greatsword is usually the big charge weapon, but it has a "Switch Skill" called Surge Slash Combo, which changes it into a slightly faster weapon with mix-and-match combo routes
hollow comet
I presume Bowguns are less, er, tweakable?
hmm, a bit, but heavy bowgun has a very different playstyle available too
hollow comet
instead of holding to charge a shot, you hold down the button to set it to ramping speed full-auto
very much like the Titanfall Devotion
i'll record a couple of clips real quick
tardy grotto
Oh, Wyvernsnipe and Wyvernheart?
tardy grotto
Yeah, was gonna say
hollow comet
alrighty
not the greatest of showcases, I will admit
but you can see that there's 2 very different playstyles for each weapon
and while these are probably the most impactful Switch Skills for these two weapons playstyle-wise, there are a couple of other options (along with choosing your Wirebug skills) that altogether make your hunter very malleable to your playstyle
on top of the base 14 weapon choics
tardy grotto
I see, I see
hollow comet
mhm!
I've heard Hunter Arts and Styles in MHGU have a similar kind of vibe for customization
but changing your weapon's base moveset is unique to Rise, I believe
I think it's really cool, I haven't even touched Surge Slash (as you can probably tell), but it might be useful against some monsters that are annoying to hit with the charge playstyle
sometimes in World I found myself getting tired of weapons quicker than Rise because my moveset was more limited, especially without wirebugs, but that's not bad because the combat feels more weighty and considerate, which is its own kind of satisfying
both are good!
hollow comet
i hope you enjoy
after I picked world back up, I've found myself going between both
and I'll still probably be coming back from time to time even as I'm working through wilds and MHGU
yeesh I have 4 of these time-sucking games now
oops!
tardy grotto
yeesh I have 4 of these time-sucking games now
Hey, I have like, 6 Paradox games
candid perch
Y'know if I had to pick out one big difference between Rise and World, it feels like Rise respects your time a lot more
candid perch
You just get to fight the monster immediately
naive elk
though the endgame is just as fucked if not worse for gambling upgrades
candid perch
Oh my god yeah lmao
In all fairness
The absurdity of the builds is cranked way higher than world
naive elk
qurio upgrades my beloathed
candid perch
I don't plan to engage much with Qurio stuff once my friends make it to endgame, I just wanna fight everything at least once
candid perch
Valstrax is horrid
naive elk
probably going to come back to Rise like next year or later this year though
candid perch
I will not spoil his new moves but they are scary
naive elk
i'm super fucking burnt out on MH after putting another like 250 hours into World to kill Fatalis on a new character
candid perch
Also I'm gonna be real, Wilds has not held me the same way world and rise have
It's weird-
candid perch
But it may be that those other two games are far more complete than Wilds is
naive elk
yeah
i still think i prefer World over Rise even with that time wasting just because the world feels so fucking alive
the ecology in World is absolutely insane and fantastic
i absolutely adore it
candid perch
I like collecting bugs to put in my house
naive elk
mhm
my way of describing them is basically World focuses on the hunting part more and Rise on the killing part more
Rise feels way more arcade-y than World does
very beat-em-up
candid perch
World is very much about the world
candid perch
Rise is actually more of a return to form for the series
naive elk
but honestly the actual world being so much less of a focus does actually take me out of it in a way that makes me like World far more
candid perch
Eh I don't mind it, but I do just wanna hunt monster so
candid perch
Nono I get it
naive elk
Rise and World clearly want to do different things
and they accomplish those things imo
i just prefer what World has going on
candid perch
World and Wilds are the only games that actually do that thing anyways
It's a very unique experience
naive elk
mhm
kinda crazy to me but i suppose when i go play some of the older games i'll find out
i really want to kill a Dalamadur at some point
and i for sure have to fight Gogmazios
candid perch
Rise is hunt monster, with a lot of QoL that doesn't exist in previous games
candid perch
also super dynamic and fun gameplay
That's the standard tbh
At least for Rise-GU
naive elk
and you get a surprising amount of build variety and potential with the skill scrolls
candid perch
Mhm
It's pretty great
Very reminiscent of the styles in GU
I don't know if anything before MHX did stuff like that
naive elk
i actually have MHXX on my 2dsXL with a english patch installed
candid perch
Oho
balmy swan
Any other Wilds PC players been having trouble getting the game to launch since the last update? It's always taken a while to load up, but I was able to be patient because it would get there eventually
Now I'm just sitting looking at a black screen for minutes on end to the point that I actually get impatient enough to force quit
...I wonder if it's the discord overlay acting up, actually. Hm. Should look into that
hollow comet
Y'know if I had to pick out one *big* difference between Rise and World, it feel...
yes 100%
I think that's why I like it so much
and have played it more than world, since I've been also doing school
but now I'll have some more free time so I'm excited to dig more into the other games
balmy swan
I'm kind of with Freyja, for me it hits less "Rise respects your time more" and more "Rise elides past a lot of parts of the game that I like"
I actually like having a bit of a chill breather tracking down a monster and grabbing stuff as I go
Which I guess is why I never quite got into Rise
One of the reasons, anyway
void narwhal
Agreed! Both totally have merit, I'm glad we get a more Arcade MH now and again
but I like the methodical nature I like the slower pace
candid perch
With world having come into existence, there are now two very distinct monster hunter experiences
Well not super distinct, but they're different from eachother enough that the road has forked a little bit
hollow comet
i still think i prefer World over Rise even with that time wasting just because ...
yeahh it's really good
a lot of hunts and moments were very memorable in world compared to rise, and I think the friction of the combat also does contribute to it
balmy swan
With world having come into existence, there are now two very distinct monster h...
one of the more cogent criticisms of Wilds that i've heard is that it's a little bit muddled between the two approaches. you have these large World-style maps that you're clearly intended to explore, and you can, certainly, but there's not a whole lot of incentive to when you can just find a monster you want on the map, tag it, and then seikret taxi over to it
like you could get to that point in World, if you'd hunted the monster a bunch already to train your scoutflies and unlocked Raider Ride for that particular map. but it wasn't the default state, and it kind of made sense to elide out that particular friction for monsters that they player had already hunted a bunch of times before
like, i say this generally liking Wilds and a lot of what it's brought to the table to the series. but i do feel like there's a bit of a disconnect there, especially with how much the game clearly wants you to knock around the maps and seamlessly transition to hunting monsters on sight
rich valve
I have found that I've mostly ended up playing it as a traditional MH game by queueing into quests and departing to the map (often actually arriving closer to the monster than I could in past games due to the number of camps available) and only end up traversing a significant distance if I happened to already be on the map the monster I want to hunt also is (which now isnt happening at all since they added the grand hub)
i like the idea of hanging around an area and hunting things but I've only done this once and thats when me and my wife were intentionally like "let's just fuck around on this map while listening to this podcast"
void narwhal
doesn't help that doing so with friends requires like three layers of party invitation and restricts you to one zone
candid perch
God yeah.
The friend invite system in wilds is atrocious
tardy grotto
Heard it's better than World's
candid perch
No it's really not
At best they're equal
And then y'know
Rise just sits there in the corner with an extremely functional and intuitive lobby system
Wondering how the games with bigger budgets did so much worse
tardy grotto
Can't have that now, can we?
candid perch
Apparently :b
brave hazel
It's WILDIN TIME
candid perch
WOOOOOO(ilds)
hollow comet
my cpu kinda weak ๐
hollow comet
it's crashing on startup every time now lol, i changed a config file then reverted it
jagged oak
dam that sucks
hollow comet
alright, verified files, it started again, gonna change the max number of threads and see if it explodes
buh
jumped a few frames, gonna edit the other config change i reverted then try the other things i find online tmrw
but itโs too late to do more rn
hollow ravine
Can anything be done with spare Blossomdance tickets once I've forged both Sakuratide variations?
halcyon fractal
desert light
Can anything be done with spare Blossomdance tickets once I've forged both Sakur...
Good for throwing into melding to make decos/weapon parts/armor spheres
desert light
hollow comet
awesome!
gathering mushrooms alone in a dark forest
safely
my favorite pastime
naive elk
nice
frank epoch
GU spotted!!!!!
hollow comet
it's been pretty fun so far! although it's needed some getting used to
hammer is nice and familiar though ๐
frank epoch
heady stone
hammer is nice and familiar though ๐
Valor Hammer is peam. Also using Aerial Hammer on Hermitaur at least once is a must experience
desert light
i despise it
You don't know the trick, I'm guessing.
Try putting a barrel bomb down in it's path when it does it's big mouth open charge
(also it's weak points are it's feet and inside it's mouth)
hollow comet
yeah i did that this time because I noticed they gave me bombs and dodongos are the same way in zelda
but even so
the feet would sometimes get blocked by the shell and I would sometimes bounce off of the inside of the mouth too ๐ญ
my hammer has like 20 hits of yellow
I need a new one
brisk dirge
Yeah you really want some green sharpness ideally
hollow comet
brave hazel
OW MY EYES
frank epoch
loading up elden ring
hollow comet
playing some mhgu with friends is genuinely one of my favorite monster hunter experiences, it's so charming and fun
maybe i should play some other mh games with peeps as well ๐ฉ
tardy grotto
mhgu?
hollow comet
mh generations ultimate
hollow comet
yepp
tardy grotto
Looking it up, looks like the Gen4 Rise equivalent
Also, Would be down for MP MH at some point
hollow comet
tardy grotto
Is there any way to get previous gen titles on PC?
tardy grotto
Aerial hammer?
brisk dirge
Gen Ultimate has different styles for each weapon
one of them is Aerial, which changes your roll into a little hop that can launch you up if you make contact with the monster
so you can easily and consistently get air attacks, which lets you mount more easily
desert light
The downside is it screws up a lot of your non aerial moveset, and also your dodge is awful at dodging
hollow comet
yeah.. ๐
but you can hop over tremors!!
we fought blangonga and I made use of that a few times
though I whiffed a lot when i angled my jump badly
hmm
can't find how to change music on my guild card
in wilds
I deleted some clips on my switch so i can clip mhgu
but that's for tomorrow
amber frost
MHGU MENTIONED WOOO
its my personal favorite in the series, with 4 snuggly fitting in second place and rise in 3rd
tardy grotto
Where World?
amber frost
I dont like world, actually
Its not a bad game, obviously, i just didnt like it
Its flavor of mon-hun wasnt for me
heady stone
aerial hammer is SO AWESOME
The double hit fucks supremely