Monster Hunter

[real zodiac]

Hit zones are a lot more complicatedthan the hunter guide let's on

And more granular

[plain gazelle]

okay but my carapace cannon did plenty of damage compared to the electric lance doing a whopping, uh

13

[outer heron]

mm

that may be due to your lance's MVs/EVs

dunno how much lance gave a shit about ele vs raw in world

and specific moves have different motion values

tzitzi's hit zones are pretty simple

[real zodiac]

Yeah, Elemental damage and raw damage for melee weapons is wildly different

[outer heron]

it's weak to every element

but has identical (maximum) weakness to thunder and ice, and has those values on all parts

[plain gazelle]

so

this is the stats for a rathian
does that mean use thunder, dragon, stun?

[outer heron]

that doesn't look like a tzitzi's-

yes

[real zodiac]

The other thing to keep in mind is that elemental damage comes something along the lines of element value divide by ten, multiply by hitzone element weakness

[outer heron]

this is rathian's hit zone stat spread

you can see that all values on fire are 0

it takes 0 fire damage

[real zodiac]

Whereas physical damage is a much more complicated forumla

[outer heron]

yeah, there's a true raw stat and a weapon-specific inflated raw stat

that isn't actually accurate to true raw

well

it is, but it's bloated

and obfuscates the formula

but broadly speaking, the answer to "hey, my thunder lance did -5 damage to a thunder-weak monster" is "you were doing something wrong"

or "your weapon is slanted towards raw, and not elemental"

but idk anything about world lance so i can't say shit about that

[real zodiac]

Iirc lance is not a stand out elemental weapon like sns or dual blades

[outer heron]

sns, esp. as of iceborne, also tilts toward raw

same in current-state wilds

[real zodiac]

Oh okay

[outer heron]

it should be really good ele, and is

but it's even better raw bc of its MVs

[real zodiac]

Right

[outer heron]

and especially because of perfect rush's MVs vs its EVs

perfect rush has dogshit element values, terrible break values, and crazy bloated motion values

and in IB it was like

90% of sns's power budget

so it slanted brutally hard toward raw

base world it still had MVs that slanted it toward raw, but not as drastically

and even with perfect rush (and especially in wilds with your charged chop rotation), it's a both weapon

more raw > more ele, but broadly speaking it's a weapon that you do want to match elements to instead of just running blast

part of what i love about sns

[weak gulch]

Looking at Tzizi's hitzones, it's weak to thunder all over but absurdly weak to Raw damage.

[outer heron]

shit uhhh

[weak gulch]

https://mhworld.kiranico.com/en/monsters/WQvu8/tzitzi-ya-ku

[outer heron]

is lance sever or blunt?

i can never remember

it's sever yeah?

[real zodiac]

It's whichever is good, iirc

[outer heron]

oh huh

neat

[real zodiac]

That might be an old thing

[outer heron]

huh

no you're right, it carried over at least to world

i just searched based on what you said

[weak gulch]

In 4U at least, it seems Lance would deal sever, but uses Sever/Blunt depending on hitzone?

[outer heron]

and it's sever damage (so it doesn't stun like bonk)

[real zodiac]

Only the shield stagger dazed tout

[outer heron]

but calculates weakness based on the monster's more susceptible type

[real zodiac]

Yeah

[outer heron]

neat!

[real zodiac]

Fundamentally, lance doesn't have big high mv moves, except for its charging 180° sweep cancel

[outer heron]

but yeah scrolling all the way back up to the specifics of this post:

it's probably something to do with the moves (and as such their motion values) you used, the tzitzi's hit zones, and/or your build

or specific weapon

you might've picked something with bad sharpness

or that just sucks

were you using a lower-tier weapon?

than your previous test

[real zodiac]

Lr weapon vs hr tzitzi?

Also like, ought not compare a gunlance's overhead smash with a lance mid-poke

[outer heron]

yeah

lance smash has one of its best MVs

for single-hit damage

and is usually part of its best MV per second combos

[real zodiac]

Lance is fundamentally a damage over time weapon

[plain gazelle]

lr

im fighting the balloon freak rn and this anja gunlance is doing jack again

is the gunlance just bad at elemental damage?

[real zodiac]

Yes, more or less

Gunlance damage comes from full burst looping, basically

[outer heron]

yes

that + also it just has way better relative MVs than EVs

[plain gazelle]

back to the carapace cannon then

[weak gulch]

Gunlance is especially bad at element because shelling is it's own thing.

[real zodiac]

Smash->fullburst, fork to either wyrmstaxk or quick reload

[outer heron]

oh also

wide is the only shelling type

that gives the slightest shit about element

(in world)

[weak gulch]

*Normal shell is the most full-burst focused.

[outer heron]

normal and long slant even harder raw

and long is, in world, a nearly pure shelling beast

normal and wide are the ones that use melee (shelling doesn't interact with element or raw)

[real zodiac]

Also 13 damage for a lance poke in lr is like, fine

[outer heron]

yuh

anything higher is gonna be like

[real zodiac]

You do a ton of them and you never stop because counterguard resets your combo

[outer heron]

greatsword, longsword, or charge blade

for most of lr

[rich valve]

Gunlance element damage only comes from your physical attacks and not shelling so the added damage does not appear all that often unless you're doing a very slapping-focused approach

[real zodiac]

Lance doesn't have to stop attacking for a lot of enemy attacks

[verbal copper]

Does the shelling taking sharpness mean that gunlance is cracked completely with the horn that gives sharpness back on the team?

It's only the one but damn

[weak gulch]

Might help extend time between sharpens. I've been using a Protective Polish jewel with World Gunlance to avoid the cost entirely (for 60 sec after sharpen).

[desert light]

https://youtu.be/_9SyDmgZ-A8

BUlly. The. Frog.

[desert light]

Re: Mizutsune - It looks like What they're doing is ||Tempered Mizu is getting moves from Violet and Soulseer, plus has some scars identical to Soulseer. so not literal soulseer, but a big riff on it||

[eager anchor]

Thats what my group figured, It was either going to be that or ||Mizu got a 3rd enrage state like zinogre gets.||

Personally i was hoping for the later because i think thats cooler

[rich valve]

its funny to implement this for the game's weakest monster

[verbal copper]

Maybe nu udra or xu wu will do it since they have the big flop or the mouth charge

[desert light]

Xu Wu at least you can injure during the charge you trigger a unique topple state

[desert light]

Incredibly

[desert light]

Agree, but oh well

I do like monsters with silly multiple enrage states though

Give me a monster that actually has 3 different states, only one of those is normal enrage, and they're all independent, but can stack together

Maximum shenanigans

[teal halo]

God can’t help you if all three stack

[verbal copper]

Questiones:
does crit element jewels increase paralyzer or sleep status or is it only elements?

Ah there's a critical stat jewel

Whoopsy doodle

I'm gonna smack someone once and slap a monster to sleep immediately

[teal halo]

Mr. Sandman Strikes Again

[verbal copper]

I'm eating mushrooms and putting people to sleep

just like college

[outer heron]

unfortunately, if you're talking wilds, crit ele/status are really poor rn

if you're not stacking them with your given ele/status+ skill, then you should be running those instead - and i assume you are stacking

[verbal copper]

eh, I whacka the monster

[outer heron]

for status there's def the niche of "i want to make them paralyzed even harder", but for ele i would caution you against it in all scenarios

p much any other dps skill is going to be stronger per rank

no matter the weapon type

[verbal copper]

just here to knock them the heck out

[frank epoch]

Horn is a little different due to the echo waves. Critical element may still be low prio but I'd have to check

[outer heron]

afaik crit ele is still outmoded on horn

although aiui atk boost is actually good on it?

unlike most weapons

i need to do research on horn

[frank epoch]

There's a good Discord for info on it but it's like

[verbal copper]

I honestly wasn't sure what else I could stick on there

[frank epoch]

Crit boost and horn maestro are very good

[verbal copper]

Would crit boost hit a cap?

[frank epoch]

Wym?

Crit boost doesn't have to worry about external caps like affinity does or anything

It just increases your crit multiplier. With no crit boost your crits do 1.25x damage. With CB5 your crits do 1.4x damage

[verbal copper]

Ah righto

[frank epoch]

This is a good guide for figuring out how to optimize damage and other things https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MK8dawS-pH-6lvlHYFYV5QmEXtohyEiJPlJM9L2Gy5A/edit?usp=sharing

It's more meta/damage focused but the info is very useful

[verbal copper]

danke

[verbal copper]

I love when you put ajarakan to sleep it just whumps forward onto it's face and starts snoring with it's butt in the air

[snow helm]

Would that be the shared sleep animation between all three apes? In any case, I've always loved how cartoony monster hunter can be when it wants with stuff like that. The modern games going for more and more realism actually only makes it funnier in context

Man, poor Uth immediately getting two other apex Leviathan's crashing their house

[teal halo]

Uth’s getting shown how real leviathans handle business (you’re the business)

[lone citrus]

honestly Uth Duna deserves to get bullied

bro should be classified as an amphibian not a leviathan

[verbal copper]

forgot I could upgrade charms

upgrade time

I'm going to eat so many mushrooms

[plain gazelle]

I'm considering trying a different weapon

maybe switch axe or hammer

[mossy meteor]

Switch axe is the hands down coolest weapon in the game and when you master it you will be the coolest hunter in the squad

There's a reason it's called Swag Axe

The trade off: you are going to whiff so many times before you get to look cool

[plain gazelle]

i already whiff wyrmstake enough

[mossy meteor]

Welcome home brother

[empty raft]

Man if greatsword could guard just a little faster out of its attack recoveries that would be nice in world

[teal halo]

if you look at a timelapse of the windward plains during sandtide it looks hilarious

[plain gazelle]

yucky longsword

[verbal copper]

Hornb

[teal halo]

dont insult it if you dont play it

[frank epoch]

If you hold a direction during weapon recovery while pressing guard it comes out faster

[visual lava]

Emily is talking about World tho, which I'm not sure that's true of

plus, guarding with GS in World is pretty bad from what I remember

[frank epoch]

Ah fuck I can't read

And yeah guarding in World has a lot of drawbacks. Really torches your sharpness for one

It's quite good in Wilds and I really enjoy it. That and offset give it a ton more depth

[visual lava]

I definitely have always felt like World was a bit of a low point for GS. Granted, that was where I started the series, so part of it was probably because I sucked, but GS in World has very little options compared to other games. Between styles, hunter arts, switch skills, wirebug attacks, and Wilds' defensive options, GS is much more dynamic and feels way better in all the other recent titles. All World added was the true charged slash, which doesn't really make your neutral game any better.

[desert light]

World added tackle. That was the genuinely transformative part

Tcs was a big deal, but tackle took the weapon from crit draw only to actually having multiple options.

[visual lava]

oh yeah, forgot about that

I feel like I barely use it Wilds now tho

[desert light]

We have the block and the offset, and the weapon isn't about spam tcs as much

It's still a powerful tactic

[visual lava]

probably part of it is because I mostly used Surge Style super armor in Sunbreak instead of tackle, and then my most recent stint with GS before Wilds was GU

so yeah, just forgot about it lol

[frank epoch]

Normalizing the damage of GS's charged attacks really did wonders for it, as well as charge inheritance

I still wish there was a way to get some of the GU Valor style attacks back.

Ultra slash or whatever it was called was kinda fun but being able to charge into a dashing slash was unparalleled

[candid perch]

I'm gonna be honest and say I really liked the switch skill system and the GU style system

[desert light]

Valor is the one style I haven't played

[candid perch]

I'd appreciate some version of moveset customization in Wilds, but I doubt it'll happen

[desert light]

Played Gen, but I never got gen u

[gentle knoll]

as in minimally customizable movesets?

[candid perch]

It's better than nothing

Or maybe it isn't

[desert light]

The problem TM with customization of movesets is it's a huge add on dev load, esp around balance.

[candid perch]

Yeaaah

[desert light]

I prefer really in depth movesets, rather than a bunch of minor choices. A lot of aerial etc were basically stick your main move behind this gimmick

[candid perch]

The movesets in Wilds have never been more deep afaik

Still no sword oil..

[desert light]

SnS is already eating well! Stop giving it thoughts and prayers! It'll become too powerful!

[eager anchor]

You absolutely should if you get a chance btw

There is a good English patch for MHXX for the 3DS if you have a modded one

[desert light]

It's a money issue, basically

I have a switch, just hard to justify the spare cash

[eager anchor]

Modding your 3DS is easy .jpeg

[desert light]

I actually find the 3DS screen pretty hard on my eyes these days

[eager anchor]

Damn.

Well GU will surely be on sale again sometime

at some point

It will be there

[desert light]

Ye, just a matter of if I have cash at the time

I have 120 nzd to last me a week rn -.-

The wonders of being chronically ill and on a benefit

[naive elk]

getting close to killing Alatreon

i'm the only one who hasn't died during the quest so far

prolly cause i'm playing like a coward since i'm running ice attack instead of speed eating and divine blessing

[naive elk]

failed quest at sub-5% health 😭

[stiff dust]

been trying out all the weapons and im actually really clicking with LS this time

landing a spirit iai slash feels awesome

[real zodiac]

Yeah! Feels a bit weird when you fail sometimes, but passing it is great

[visual lava]

I hope they patch out the delay like they did in Rise

[stiff dust]

there's a delay? i thought i was imagining it

[naive elk]

Alatreon is still a fight i really do not enjoy

[brave hazel]

Alatreon is

Not great

Mostly due to his many DPS checks

You have to play it pitch perfect or you just eat shit

[naive elk]

ALATREON SLAIN

FUCK YOU

STUPID CREATURE

gods

[brave hazel]

NICE

[naive elk]

i really am pleased to never have to do that again

[desert light]

https://youtu.be/snLTLGeGmBg bullying

[weak gulch]

Valor style in GU/XX is wack after getting it revved up.

[desert light]

That's what I've heard

[frank epoch]

yeah it's really good

[verbal copper]

I need a little thing about what it's best to hit a monster/bombs with if you manage to sleep/trap it

Cause I've been sleeping them pretty good now, and I don't know if I should be hitting them in the face with an offset attack, should I let dual blades do a thing, or just throw raw bombs?

[desert light]

Great Sword.

Sleep doubles the damage of any hit that wakes the mosnter up

So you want to use the single hardest hitting attack you have access to for the weakeup

In multiplayer, that's usally the greatsword

Notably: this does not apply to bombs.

bombs just do flat damage with no modifiers

they're still a useful wakeup tool if you are dual blading or lancing or whatever and dont have a big hit

since a mega does... 250? I think

and you can just stick one down and then throw another one at them onster

otherwise, hit with your single biggest attack you can

for Greatsword, it's True Charged Slash, you just intentionalyl whiff the weak hit

and then hit the real hit

easy 1k+ damage

[real zodiac]

Greatsword is king, but it does require iterating through to the tcs

[verbal copper]

I feel horn itself doesn't have anything that would be better than a couple of bombs. What about stuff like switchaxe or SnS?

[desert light]

Honestly, this is the sort of thing where y ou can hit up Monster Hunter Meta

[real zodiac]

Lance is kinda okay to just whiff a poke, then turn using focus mode and combo to the sweep

[desert light]

and get some really good answers

[desert light]

Ye, if you watch the speedrun i posted earlier, you see them not bothering with TCS, just using Strong charge etc to wake up, because it's faster

(they bully Arkveld so hard it sleeps twice in under a minute)

[visual lava]

TCS also has a quirk in Wilds where the second hit only does full damage if you also hit with the weak first hit

[real zodiac]

Iirc thats from iceborn

[verbal copper]

Light bowgun is the bane of sleeping situations

[radiant trail]

sns isn't great in terms of wakeup options as most of their big hits are combo enders (and even then aren't super large). If in a pinch for some reason, you can backstep from neutral guard into the charged slash

[verbal copper]

I get to watch as they plink the monster in the head once and wake it up

[visual lava]

I mean that's just 90% of online hunters

[desert light]

That's been a thin since World

It actually changes the name of the move if you connect the weak hit with a weakpoint

[radiant trail]

I think the horn's overhead smash is a decent wake up option (although I'm not sure if that's still in Wilds)

[desert light]

But yeah, you just eat the penalty in Wilds because the unempowered hit of TCS still hits like a mach truck

[verbal copper]

The Overhead smash is no longer around properly I think, unless you count the offset attack

[visual lava]

Double note input?

[verbal copper]

Oh right yeah, though I think offset might hit harder

[desert light]

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1iqpc5b/what_are_the_best_wakeup_attack_for_sleeping/

[visual lava]

not all the horns have the offset anyways

[verbal copper]

True, but the sleep horn I made does, and it's the only way to get a sleep horn

[desert light]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/439903-monster-hunter-wilds/80935660

[real zodiac]

I had a moment when I didn't realize another hunter was in the hunt. I'd laid two bombs to set a charged wakeup hit with thr lance, and then while I'm charging another hunter comes up, and starts laying a bomb as I release

[verbal copper]

Looney toons moment

"u h o h"

WOOMF

Seems like you could faff around with three waves and then encore into the monster head... or just offset it in the face

probably better just to offset

[graceful snow]

But are we going to make a monhun bowling league?

[candid perch]

Of course

[tardy grotto]

Who else is picking up World in the wake of Wilds?

[eager anchor]

I might go back.

[tardy grotto]

I'm more

I need to play a MH, World is cheaper, and presumably still good

[heady stone]

If you have a switch I would recommend Generations Ultimate

[tardy grotto]

I do not have a Switch

[outer heron]

I'd also rec world over genU if you're getting IB with it

although they're both v good games

[eager anchor]

If you have a Modded 3ds I reccomend getting MHXX english patched

(Its GU but on the 3ds)

Also though world is a good game and still has players

[tardy grotto]

I have a PC

And a PC

[naive elk]

Wörld

Icebörne

[glacial vale]

I'm strongly considering going back for a bit yeah

I dropped off shortly after safi and I would like go go back and beat alatreon/fatalis

[candid perch]

I went back to Rise to finish off a run of Sunbreak with some old friends

[snow helm]

I started playing Rise for the first time after accepting that my computer couldn't run Wilds and I'm having a ball

[candid perch]

Rise good!
Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise-

(and right now I secretly prefer it to wilds due to the richness of the Sunbreak content)

But that's some amount of "content complete game go brrrr"

[eager anchor]

Disregard Previous opinion, Rise is bad, Deny all attempts to change your opinion

/s/s

[candid perch]

Asploded

[eager anchor]

Rise is fun but you def wanna have the DLC so you get scroll swaps and the other weapon styles

[frank epoch]

I may come back to Risebreak at some point. Base rise did not impress me and it completely butchered hunting horn so I didn't stick with it long

Also just didn't like Wirebug dashing

[candid perch]

Sunbreak is worlds better (like, so, so much better), but if you don't like wirebugs then it probably isn't worth it for you.

[frank epoch]

It just provided too much safety for my liking

[candid perch]

Ah...

Fair

[brisk dirge]

Wirefall was way too strong IMO

You can just yoink yourself out of almost every bad situation if you don't panic

[frank epoch]

Yeah. If we were gonna get something like that I appreciated GU's Absolute Evasion/Readiness arts much more than Wirefall

They still required you to actually engage with the monster to recharge it, hitting them and such, rather than a (pretty short!) regular cooldown, and ate up an Art slot

I don't like that Seikrets get you out of harm's way either

[teal halo]

i didn't know seikrets could even do that until yesterday

[frank epoch]

Yeah. You obviously don't have to do it but necessarily the hunts in the game are going to be designed with it in mind that you can

[plain gazelle]

uh oh

[verbal copper]

I'm not sure what to do next

I've got all the weapons in my weapon category, I've got the top armour (not fully upgraded but that's like... just getting orbs...) and I've got a good chunk of random items and upgraded talismans

[outer heron]

kill monsters you like to kill

or get every talisman/armor set for prep & fashion

or just stop playing

and wait for the TUs to give more content

or make a new toon and play through the story again with them

[verbal copper]

I like hunting monsters I just feel weird without a goal

... this is probably a bad sign about dopamine addiction that I really enjoy the wishlist and just constant little pings for yey you got a new thing

It is a bit odd that there's like... random and cool armour sets that are locked behind random drops from the trade people

like the sinister cloths

[teal halo]

I have an idea

Try new weapons!

[visual lava]

Yeah, you said weapon category, singular?

You should try some other stuff

[teal halo]

You’ve got the top armor, so maybe go out and try a new weapon type! Get all of its stuff as well! You never know what you’ll like!

[visual lava]

otherwise you're only playing like 10% of the game (I'm exaggerating, but still)

[teal halo]

My goal is to learn how to use every weapon

[teal halo]

When I say learn to use I more mean learn to have fun with every weapon

Even the bowguns

Maybe you could strive for something similar?

[snow helm]

It's also not a bad sign that you want to put down the game, having done a really significant chunk of all the content, even a majority

[verbal copper]

Yeah I have pretty much horned my way through this entire game

[outer heron]

yuh

[verbal copper]

But also, then I'll ruin my lovely chart of "you have done nothing but horn you mad man"

[frank epoch]

I tried swaxe before settling into greatsword as my secondary

[verbal copper]

And certainly nothing against the game, it's given me damn good hours and I've pushed it well into the beyond, and I'm looking forward to the future stuff. I guess I just wanna keep on moving forward.

I have also leveled up my talismans a bit. not all of them of course but got some good ones in the mix. Had to do some terrible things to arkveld repeatedly to get thems gems.

[desert light]

https://youtu.be/hpFsNeubnug

Given all teh recent talk of monster hunter Gen/Gen U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xz_xUI44Io

and then it's seqwuel

Just in case you still had any illusions about monster hunter being a serious series

[teal halo]

It always amazes me when people say that monster hunter is a serious series. Monster hunter? The game where there’s cute cat people who make cat puns all the time? The game where you can kill monsters with a giant fish? The game where there’s a big pink monkey who farts on you? THAT monster hunter?

[outer heron]

that's because it is

it's just in a nonstandard way

monster hunter is, from a player's perspective, entirely unserious

you can dress your character in ridiculous outfits, put your cat buddies into even more ridiculous outfits, and many of the monsters are deranged

which is where the lack of understanding when people call it a "serious" series comes from

rather, all of the Lynian eccentricities, bizarre monsters, goofy outfits, and grandiose statements are all taken completely earnestly next to everything else

when congalala shows up (still my least favorite monster in the series, but hey), the characters don't go

"hee hoo it's the shart monkey"

they treat it as another thing in the environment

it's A Serious Monster, to be classified as normal and registered as a threat or nonthreat, just like the hungry winged wyverns that spit fire and eat each other on screen

monster hunter is a serious series because it takes itself seriously and presents itself earnestly

[teal halo]

That is is and that it does

[outer heron]

which is also how it makes its ecosystems "feel" coherent or reasonable, if not realistic

it takes itself seriously, dwells just enough and provides just enough depth to suggest the presence of more, or establish the idea of another layer

[outer heron]

so in summary, this is a common and understandable perspective that i think fails to internalize the way monhun's setting is established

[desert light]

Yeah, it threads the needle nicely

The world building and care gone into thigns is very serious

it is also just willing to be ridiclous and have fun with stuff

[outer heron]

it's why, in the same games with the sharting monkey (4 and wilds both), you also have a plotline straightfacedly dedicated to a monster called fucking Gore Magala

who rampages through ecosystems looking like little timmy's shadow the hedgehog OC, disrupting the natural world by infecting monsters with GET SO ANGRY YOU LITERALLY EXPLODE disease

each of these things are presented with the same amount of earnest acceptance dedicated to their respective threat levels

and why gore magala fucking rules

[teal halo]

Gore Magala does indeed go as hard as fatalis scales

[vapid quartz]

how do you slow reel on ps5 cuz i had my bait in front of a speartuna for like 20 minutes it felt like 😭 idk what im doing wrong

i cant even do the mini game it wont bite

[teal halo]

I bet you have a pretty good relationship with the women in your life because damn those fish are scared of you

[visual lava]

you need to throw the bobber behind the fish and then reel it slowly past them

just move the left stick up and down slowly

full disclosure though, some of the big fish are really annoying to do the mini game successfully on, at least with a controller. The only mod I have installed so far is one that gives you infinite line durability lol

[vapid quartz]

lol yeah i got them to bite but that minigame i just dont get it i just want my funny sword

i know you move it with them except when it goes behind something then its opposite, then r2 when it jumps? but sometimes i fail when i do that

are there two types of jumps lol

[desert light]

Okay

so

To get it to actually bite on:

You just have to start reeling the hook in

[visual lava]

when it jumps, the fish can go in one of three directions. You have to flick the stick in the correct direction

and also hit R2

[desert light]

you do this by making the stick go up and down

[vapid quartz]

ohhhhhh

[desert light]

Or to put it in keyboard terms: If W is Up on your thumbstick, and S down, you just hit W/S/W/S/W/S

[vapid quartz]

i got it to slow reel by just doing circles, but i didnt know the direction plus r2 thinig

its hard to tell what direction its jumping

[visual lava]

Yeah you have to have really good reaction time for it

but honestly that wasn't the part that tripped me up the most

[desert light]

Ye,. i dont think i landed any jumps

i just got it by dfoing the other stuff correct

[visual lava]

the biggest issue is that some types of fish switch directions multiple times in quick succession

[desert light]

They do that more as they get closer to being cauhgt in my experience

[visual lava]

I think it's an issue with the fact that analog inputs can't instantly swap to the opposite direction like a digital input can

[vapid quartz]

got ittttttttt

lets fucking go

[desert light]

Nice!

[visual lava]

noice

[desert light]

I do wish the mega fish were in more than just scarlett forest

all 4? that you can catch are in there

[vapid quartz]

YOU HOLD IT BY THE SWORD????

boooo

[amber frost]

Speartuna?

[vapid quartz]

yes

i understand its so it fills out the hit box more but

[amber frost]

Where else would you hold that fish from to be fair?

holding it from the bottom would be a pretty wide grip and not to mention the fins

[visual lava]

That just makes it even funnier anyways

[amber frost]

Indeed

It's a joke weapon, gotta go all in

kinda like castlevania aria of sorrow's excalibur

instead of swinging the sword itself you just swing the sword in the stone

[teal halo]

Caladfwlch time

[eager anchor]

I absolutely adored this ending

[verbal copper]

Horn should have had a la barina weapon that is just a leg in a silk stocking that plays the first few notes of "the stripper" when blown into

As a joke weapon

[plain gazelle]

Any helmet recommendations for gunlance? I don't really have one I like available

im just using the legiana one

[naive elk]

HAHA

YEAH

needed a large elder dragon gem for my ala db's

was going to craft them with a celestial

but i thought that since i needed to hunt an elder for my weekly celestial i thought

hey, i'll hunt an elder and hope i get one

AND I DID YEAAAAAHHHH

[gentle knoll]

low rank or high rank/master rank?

from a wiki dive, i personally would recommend Damascus, Demonlord, and Garuga out of rarity 11 helmets

[plain gazelle]

still in low rank

im on the diablos rathalos quest

[gentle knoll]

gotcha... guardian armor count?

i forget, have you fought a lavasioth at that point yet?

[plain gazelle]

no idea what that is

[plain gazelle]

I'm tempted to just for the Kirin fight

[gentle knoll]

sounds like a no on lavasioth

[plain gazelle]

yeah i havent fought one of those yet

the three with red crosses are ones i havent killed yet

everything else i've killed at least one

[gentle knoll]

gotcha, lemme look up their armor rq

i think i used odogaron set and called it a day

[naive elk]

ok so

i might just

cheat in my first item

my alatreon dual blades need a direwing to upgrade

i can get the mantle by way of elder melder

but i just

don't want to fucking fight Alatreon again and try to break its wing for a direwing

[vapid quartz]

what drops great stoutbone anyone know?

in wilds

[naive elk]

love having my quests fucked by not getting time to prep and just being thrown right at the monster

[vocal haven]

what fight/quest?

[naive elk]

Fatalis

i just left the quest

[vocal haven]

is it the first one? cause you can prep in the camp except I think in the first with cutscene

[naive elk]

it is, it dropped me into the fight immediately on my first try

i just quit out of the quest

[vapid quartz]

ive fought balahara low rank like 20 times ive never gotten a single aqua sac i just want my cool pontiff sulyvann swords

[plain gazelle]

I have

one aqua sac from i think the mud fish in the wastes i forget it's name

I need two for an increased harvest box

i remember now

jyatodurus

in fact i probably got two of them cause i made the madness gunlance

[vapid quartz]

finally, 1 aqua sac

im in high rank so at least its fast

mercifully

[plain gazelle]

im missing something

i have never seen this monster before

is it a small one?

right yeah it's an apceros

[naive elk]

apparently firebreath is a concussive attack

thanks for that one, MH World

[vapid quartz]

cool ass dark souls swords aquirred

ii know that doesnt narrow it down

[desert light]

Every attack builds up stun, and can stun iirc. It's just a general mechanic

[plain gazelle]

really cool and awesome design decision for capcom to give the rathalos not only fire, fire which stuns you reliably, but also poison

which can ALSO stun you

[verbal copper]

I read that as "dark souls squirrel" for a moment. Thinking about squirrelgirl. I wonder what a dark souls squirrel would look like.

[mossy meteor]

Well if it's anything like the birds and the dogs, keep it away

[verbal copper]

No no no

It'll be like the pigs

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-gif-23127920

[vapid quartz]

i love wylk burst it really makes me feel like ive stolen their powers to adapt

[verbal copper]

Booty stab activate!

[vapid quartz]

i wish you could just buy low rank materials in high rank instead of going back to fight a low rank nerscylla or whatever cuz i didnt make this sword back then

[verbal copper]

You can get some stuff from the provisions guy or trading with villagers

[slow shoal]

hey Freyja, we got a poke that you're kinda rage posting a fair bit here

Can you ease up on that please?

[naive elk]

yes

sorry

[verbal copper]

https://fxtwitter.com/QuirklessStoner/status/1905693895654322612

Monster Hunter Jhokes (@QuirklessStoner)

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[desert light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKAo0zJaekw

[vapid quartz]

45 hours in, high rank, ive never seen more than 1 turf war, how is this possible

[mystic cape]

Skill issue

[vapid quartz]

probably

i see monsters hit eachother sometimes during hunts, but its never the polished animation with the little turf war placard

[void narwhal]

They do seem rarer

Xu Wu has some real brutal ones though

[vapid quartz]

my favorites, truly the true wyveria apex, the odogaron one is disrespectful

[vocal haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9SyDmgZ-A8

HUH

[plain gazelle]

did it

[graceful snow]

Who needs melding tickets

[visual lava]

nice

[stiff dust]

i do 😔

[plain gazelle]

You guys got any tips for LR Kirin? Let me get what I'm currently running for it

and i take the food to max out my health, stamina, plus a max demondrug and armorskin potion

oh and a veggie platter

[graceful snow]

What's your lightning resist?

[plain gazelle]

thought i included that

22

considering i'm still being taken from half health to cart i dont think it's enough

[outer heron]

LR kirin is kinda like that for a bit

[plain gazelle]

The highest lightning protection stuff I have is blossom, followed by Barroth, Kadachi and Ingot

[outer heron]

it's your first introduction to "hey elder dragons are mean"

is all of your armor leveled?

[plain gazelle]

no but now that you mention it i'll do that

[outer heron]

armor defense is exceptionally impactful

far more so than one would expect

the bonuses from advancing to higher tiers of baseline defense and from upgrading are both surprisingly significant, compared to the way defense investment is talked about in monhun

(this is because the defensive skills are usually super inefficient and as such extremely not worth it, other than ele resist)

[plain gazelle]

right

[outer heron]

(but that too is less efficient than most offensive skills)

(however, efficiency doesn't matter if you cart)

[plain gazelle]

seems like a full set of kadachi might be good

[outer heron]

if that's getting you to a higher baseline light res and/or def, almost certainly

[plain gazelle]

kadachi everything except belt is my plan

and i'll just use the blossom belt

(kadachi belt gives thunder attack)

[outer heron]

i don't remember the granular details of World's LR gear, so I'll just give a thumbs up

[plain gazelle]

125 defence, 28 thunder

[outer heron]

you're looking at the numbers, so i assume you know what's what

[outer heron]

raw def means nothing to me, I've always just compared while in game

so all I can give is the baseline info

[plain gazelle]

right

well i'll try this now

[outer heron]

hope it goes better

even outside of monster rank, monsters often function in "tiers" like this

where you'll get vibe checked by a normal for 70% hp

and go "ah, i haven't upgraded or swapped my armor in ten MSQ hunts"

"i see this was The Next Tier Of Numbers"

[brisk dirge]

always keep up with your armor upgrades

it makes a bigger difference than you might think

[plain gazelle]

could've used that thunderproof mantle earlier

[brisk dirge]

Thunderproof mantle is pretty vital into Kirin IMO

Thunderproof and Temporal usually, but you don't have Temporal yet

[plain gazelle]

you get thunderproof after you defeat it

[brisk dirge]

oh lmao
I forgot

[near bane]

https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterwilds/mods/1399

found this must have mod

[plain gazelle]

question, do you think it's better to go for the alpha or beta high rank variants of armours in mhw

Alpha has more skills, beta has slots

[radiant trail]

depends on what armor skills you want, and what decorations you have

[plain gazelle]

only got an attack jewel rn

[radiant trail]

if you don't have useful decos yet, use alpha.

[plain gazelle]

gotcha

[radiant trail]

you can always craft beta later

if you want to socket something else in

[graceful snow]

That reminds me, I'm curious about what gamma sets will have in Wilds because I don't remember that being a thing in World

[frank epoch]

They were around in world. They typically had better...everything compared to their normal sets

Better skills, slots, defense, etc.

[graceful snow]

I wonder why I don't remember gamma then

[vocal haven]

A good chunk of them where event based since the arch Tempered monsters where event quests

I think the last big fight I gotta do in world is AC velk

[desert light]

Currently, the goto meta set for most everythign is 2 piece Fulgur (Head and arms, both beta), 2 piece gore (Waist and legs), and Arkveld chest - all beta

You can go for Alpha Fulgur Head if you're laking in decos

[desert light]

Bring ice resist. No, more than that. no, MORE THAN THAT

[plain gazelle]

how many of these are iceborne

[desert light]

Oh, I thought you were talking about Wilds because your said high rank

World high rank? Build alpha. You'll be replacing it with Master rank gear the moment you get there anyway

[plain gazelle]

oh yeah i'm in world

[desert light]

Zero reason to faff around with beta until Master Rank

(in MR beta is just generally better, due to the massive amount of deco slots, esp t4 deco slots)

[pine basin]

Behold! A google sheets workbook for comparing weapons and armor in Monster Hunter: Wilds!
This is version 0.5, which while mostly complete is missing a aggregate display of the skills with levels for each gear set and highlighting for active group skills and set bonuses.
To use, go to File > Make a copy, which will add an editable version to your google drive account
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A_FWsKjD9AWlQCbeQ-B9NRq10cxU1hmaiUSTuQQkpaQ/edit?usp=sharing

[desert light]

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1jnz1op/layered_weapons_will_be_coming_to_wilds_in_the/

eeey

[tardy grotto]

Ayoooooo

Fashion Hunter fans stay winning

[desert light]

https://i.redd.it/3qwes4e2tzre1.png

This ais apprently from the recent interview they did

i'm still trying to source that

but it points to evidence that Tmeprezd Mizu may in fact b e a riff on Soulseer

[dark steeple]

thinking about the food in Wild, it makes sense the Keepers can only provide crops as they very much do not have any domesticated animals or know how to hunt, but gosh, they could have some starchy crops to create things like bread right?

[desert light]

Probably possibly? They seem to just favor veggies that can be eaten with minimal prep

I imagine labor intensive crops are probably reserved for paper making & ink making

[halcyon fractal]

🤔

maybe they eat the nutrient rich cocoons the guardians leave behind?

[dark steeple]

or maybe this also represents how the Keepers is like in the story, that they are essentially locked in time and never really develop in the past millennia

[halcyon fractal]

oh yeah that too

[dark steeple]

they didn't or couldn't redevelop bread, one of the foundation of food

Good god, Nata's head must be exploding from eating that bread

[halcyon fractal]

he finally gets to eat something other than keeper gruel

hmm

speaking of monhun food

chat am I cooking?

[dark steeple]

nice

[halcyon fractal]

yayyyy

I have a doc full of small monster food

[plain gazelle]

i need gajau and chips

[zinc pier]

hmm
question, how does one play Bow?

it feels , weird to play

[mystic cape]

It's somewhere between a melee and ranged due to the close range and charge mechanics

Plus advice varies depending on what game you're in

[zinc pier]

wilds atm

[heady stone]

Don't use Tracer rounds they're a trap. Spam power shot and dodge charging.

[zinc pier]

i didnt even know tracer rounds was a thing

[heady stone]

One sec lemme pull up a guide

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tXSmNitaxsA&si=6Iia_MaIiVbYCVNE

[heady stone]

This should have basically all you need to know about bow.

For now anyway

Keep in mind Title Update 1 might rebalance bow to make my Tracer and Power Shot advice incorrect

Oh and keep in mind Dragon Piercer at the end of a combo is way faster iirc

[eager anchor]

Counterpoint Tracer rounds look cool

Why live if not to see arrows bend through air

[lone citrus]

Also I'll add that tracer rounds are kinda nice because they extend your effective range

[plain gazelle]

magda lahat time

[real zodiac]

Yeah I like tracers for the auto full power

It's a very slight damage loss, but you don't have to dash dance to maintain full charge

Also, homing quickshots

[visual lava]

tbh I'm too lazy to figure out how to play bow "properly"

I only use it in multiplayer and I just do Dragon Piercer spam

which is still pretty funny

and feels way better than the equivalent in World

[eager anchor]

I love the dodge shot and im going to be using that a lot when the monsters get faster

[empty raft]

NERGI DEFEATED

HOLY SHIT THAT WAS HELL

[tardy grotto]

Spikes?

[empty raft]

What

[tardy grotto]

Nergi

[empty raft]

Y-yes

He has spikes

[tardy grotto]

Was this the main source of pain in that battle?

[empty raft]

No actually!

Probably mostly his jumping

[tardy grotto]

Ah, I see

(Never fought Nerg)

[empty raft]

He smoves a. Lot

[tardy grotto]

Imagine not having ranged attacks

[empty raft]

Thinking about fucking around and trying lance

[desert light]

He moves a lot ,gets in your face, and then reminds you that Elder Dragons don't need fancy mcguffin magic attacks to kill you

they c an just smash y ou into the ground with a paw

[mossy meteor]

It's so fucking frustrating trying to find reliable info about slinger mechanics. The net is so flooded with garbage journalism that just restates the tutorials and Google is absolutely useless now even with search markup to "emphasize" terms that it just ignores anyway.

Stuff I've seen:
Grounding pods into Rey Dau's head stop the railgun
Puddle pods into Rathian/los mouth stops fireballs for a bit
Something with explosive pods on Gravios but it didn't seem repeatable on testing
Flash pods on any flying monster is an instant hard knockdown

Brightmoss into the eyes of a flying monster acts like a flash too

Torch/bomb pods can ignite the oil puddles in the basin and make them explode

I'm so sure there's other effects (sometimes I've gotten the "special slinger effect" card when I haven't noticed anything obvious occur) but those are the ones I'm absolutely certain of.

[visual lava]

I confirmed brightmoss on flying monsters a while back. You just need to hit them on the head. To be clear, it's when the monster is in a flying state, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't work when they're flying away somewhere else, only when they're actively still fighting you. So like when Rathalos is doing its aerial attacks (that's just how flash pods work in general).

[mossy meteor]

Not sure about flying away or not, but definitely any time they're in the air. I'll give that a test next time I get the chance, I'd expect it to still work?

[visual lava]

Well so far I've never been able to knock them out of the air when they're flying to a different area. I know it was different in World/Iceborne. Can't remember Rise. But I know it doesn't work in GU (talking about flash bombs in that game).

[outer heron]

i managed to a few times, but not once they were like

in The State

just when they were de-aggroing during takeoff

and i stopped being able to after a patch, so it might've been a bug they fixed

[desert light]

It def seems intentional you can't just zone Lock them like you could in days of old

[empty raft]

Oh I’m

*um

Bright moss fascinates vespoids

They’ll sting monsters you tag w it and if you stick it to a wall they stare and go passive

[rapid lion]

Screamer Pods work against burrowing Diablos exactly like flash pods against flying monsters, doing a hard knockdown if it's still in combat against you.

[outer heron]

this is wilds

rey dau, gravios

this does, however, remain true for balahara

[visual lava]

I actually still have basically no idea what the screamer pods are supposed to do in Wilds

Is it only for Balahara basically?

[outer heron]

yes

just like they're usually only for diablos

[rapid lion]

Fair, and I'm tired.

Do screamer pods get monsters' attention? It feels like the sort of thing they'd do.

[outer heron]

don't think so

that's lure pods

[desert light]

It's also stuns an endemic life. I believe it works on Yian, and there may yet be other "sensitive hearing" monsters

[real zodiac]

Broadly speaking it's a "Do this to underground monsters"

Plus Yian kut ku

[weary charm]

The artian weapon thing makes me wish we could make custom weapons from different monster parts

[tardy grotto]

The one big thing I wish MH had

[weary charm]

Imagine being able to customize your weapon output by tweaking what parts you use to put into it

[tardy grotto]

Multi-monster gear

[weary charm]

I guess decorations kind of do that but I'm also thinking fashion

[vapid quartz]

i just got two rathalos wings in a mission i didnt touch a rathalos in uth duna does not play around

[weary charm]

Uth Duna like "that hunter stole my fried rath wings"

[vapid quartz]

rathalos king of the skies, hey where'd the uth duna go

on the top rope with a mucus chair

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

i hope they dont let it get bossed around too bad when mizu and lagi show up

i wouldnt let that shit happen to me in my own home, pick yourself up apex

[weary charm]

I am excited to fight the new monster

Monsters

I know they from other things but I am MH babby

[vapid quartz]

me too

baby i mean, also excited tho

[weary charm]

The octopus monsters are so cool

[vapid quartz]

they had concepts for them a while but they needed tech to catch up to the vision, xu wu might be my favorite guy period

[weary charm]

I want to fight so many monster

[tardy grotto]

As do IIIIIIIIIIIII

Just need to wait for sale

[vapid quartz]

i own rise through steamshare i think i should check it out tho ive heard its a bit more of a themepark in comparison

[tardy grotto]

I have World and Wilds through the same

Just not Iceborne

[rich valve]

the cephalopod monster skeleton is a really good addition yeah

[desert light]

Nargacuga could be sonic podded in previous games. It's posisble others who will be added will be albe to be

[desert light]

Eh, if it does, tehy'll probably imemdiatley have a terrible time when Arch-Tempered Uth Duna comes out

Also stuff form thedev diaries makes it sound liek we might be getting 8* subspecies ish versions of hte apex? it is vaugely worded

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2246340/view/534345939582715887

"End of May Update

In addition, the update at the end of May will add the Tempered Monsters (★8) Gore Magala and the apex predators of each locale: Rey Dau, Uth Duna, Nu Udra, and Jin Dahaad.

Each of these monsters have had various behind-the-scenes adjustments to make them more resilient, such as increased health, resistance to wounding, and tweaks to multiplayer scaling."

This is a little ocnfusingly worded, esp since we know Mizu is jumping from being a 5* normally, to an 8* for it's tempered version (Who appears to be riffing on Soulseer)

[amber frost]

I've been a little curious about the soulseer comparisons with mizu, did i miss something?

[amber frost]

like don't get me wrong i fuckin adore soulseer so more stuff from them is my favorite

just curious where we're getting it

[rich valve]

the reveal trailer for mizutsune had some things which looked like soulseer in it

[desert light]

That's a glimpse in the trailer of a mizu with a scarred, missing eye glowing Blue with fire, while emitting blue flames.

Both signature soulseer things. I don't think it's going to literally be soulseer, and think anyone expecting that is going to be let down, but they seem to be very much riffing on it

[amber frost]

Very happy to see it acknowledged atleast

[desert light]

Combined with the fact that mizu jumps three tiers and 20 hunter ranks for it's tempered version and Something is Up

[amber frost]

Tempered mizu just get violet's spirit bomb

[tardy grotto]

Enlighten the poor series noob to the context?

[amber frost]

Old mizu variant seems to be getting a good few aspects integrated into wild's mizu visually

(this is me trimming out all my rambling about the deviant system and soulseer specifically)

[tardy grotto]

Hit me with the ramble

I like Lore

(DM is fine)

[amber frost]

So deviants were a system for Generations and Generations ultimate, they were like variant's subspecies but usually with a bigger change
usually
you had stuff like dreadking rathalos who had access to explosive powder and could make an explosive meteor, dreadqueen rathian who had access to deadly poison and some really fucky attacks, Extra Zappy Zinogre, and a good few other ones like how the fated four all got one

Soulseer specifically was pretty interesting because it is blind, and mechanically they DID try to reflect this, it relies a lot more on its bubbles, big wide swinging attacks, and it only enters enrage if someone, A touches one of its bubbles or B its health is low enough
(given how many it made, A was more often than you think)

A lot of deviants have seen some of their aspects or attacks meshed into the normal monster as, while the system was COOL AS FUCK, it had issues
Namely how much you had to farm the monster, now yeah sure its a monhun game, farming is usually expected but in the case of deviants it was mandatory rather than just being at the whims of fate, you basically had to do a tier 1 through 10 hunt on them, and evey 3 tiers was a rank up (lr/hr/gr) more or less, theres some intrinsics if you wanna get specific but blegh, with tier 10 usually being super fucking rough but also a fun challenge to see how well you know the monster

there was also the need to have tickets to actually fight the monsters and yeah, grind to grind basically

but another big issue was in the armour, the deviant armours had an effect that was basically deviant's variant name soul, and most of these were either BUSTED AS FUCK (dreadking gave HG earplugs and attack up XL iirc) or Not Great, these would be unlocked by upgrading the armour high enough and i believe you had to wear the full set for it?

Ah i was wrong

wasnt HG on dreadking soul it it was windproof high, fuckin whoops

where am i recalling earplugs from, then

OHHHH cause it was just part of the armour itself, not specifically soul

[tardy grotto]

Huh, ok

[amber frost]

Soulseer soul was kinda fucked though

Challenger is what agitator used to be called for context

But yeah, the soul effects were neato and might partially be a progenitor to the set bonuses we have now? cause a big thing in the older games (and to my understanding to world to an extent) is mixed sets were king and it made full sets weird
so they just tried to fuck with and make benefits to running a full set

Actually in saying that i dont recall how much mixed sets fucked in MH3U, mighta just been a 4U onwards thing

[void narwhal]

I'm sad the mixed rathy dual blades don't have their unique mixed stats anymore

Just fire damage boo

[amber frost]

short of why mixed sets were a big thing in those games was due to how the skill system worked, back then you had to hit actual numbers from skill points on armour (not uncommon to see 10/15 on bigger skills) rather than using a "oh your armour has a level in this skill you have this skill at this level" so you had pieces that had like
+7 points to challenger or something like that and if you combined it with something else you could get this skill at a really high grade with just 2 pieces

it was a lot more specific in what skills you could build your whole thing to but it A made fashion a pain in the ass and B usually boiled down to having an objectively best set

except 4U
4U just had an insanely busted set of armour tied to an easy event quest that buffed the fuck outta IG, and 4U IG is next gen levels of bullying

[amber frost]

like look at this shit man
sure its only 3 skills but you also had 3 3 slot deco slots and 2 ones if you wanted to bump handicraft
which frankly you didnt need to, edge lore was fuckin' stupid

[eager anchor]

I miss the 3U days sometimes lol

[amber frost]

Steady hand for context gave you mind's eye and halved the rate your sharpness depleted

[eager anchor]

Wearing absolute disaster sets that JUST pushed it to having the one skill you wanted

[amber frost]

Heh
i both miss it and dont

with layered armour i wouldnt mind it

but on the other hand full sets, in a weird way, have felt kinda more flexible as long as its not Uber Strong

God i apologize i entered a fuckin' fugue state there

[vocal haven]

bloodbath for wilds trust

[frank epoch]

Inshallah

Bring back Grimclaw. I need my hunting horn back

AUXL + HG Earplugs, negate environmental effects, negate binds

[desert light]

I don't miss the old style of armor

because i saw too many people online who would get as many points as they could

across as many skills

...and thus have zero active skills

[eager anchor]

I met somebody in real life in g-rank Who did that

3u days were crazy dude

People didnt know

and tbh who can blame them back then

[frank epoch]

I personally enjoyed it

[desert light]

I think it had it's merits, but simplicity is a virtue

[tardy grotto]

As is complexity

Both have their place

[frank epoch]

I almost feel like we have too many skills on our armor now. I kinda liked the puzzle building aspect of it

[amber frost]

My only real opinion on it is that GU is still active and able to play if i ever wanna play some old gen monster hunter for any bits i miss

[vapid quartz]

Xuwu is totally an apex,,, disrespect

[empty raft]

Hey u uh

I uh

I started playing lance

I was born for this

It’s so good

[tardy grotto]

Would you like some Sekiro in your MonHun?

[real zodiac]

Lance rules

[balmy swan]

I'm not a lance player, but I have definitely been discovering the joys of blocking since I moved over to GS and CB from the swaxe

Shield good

[empty raft]

I kinda wish it had more timed blocking stuff tho

In world

[balmy swan]

Oh yeah, World doesn't have much to offer in that sense beyond Offensive Guard iirc

[vapid quartz]

im trying to find a video i remember of a fan made turf war of like a rajang or something catching crimson glow valstrax while rules of nature plays

[empty raft]

Also uh

[real zodiac]

Yeah world is mostly counter thrust and clutch parry

[empty raft]

Is it just me or is uh

Kulu Lance tree absolutely insane

Like it seems like just the best raw lance

Good damage, good sharpness, incredible affinity

[real zodiac]

It's decent yeah

[balmy swan]

Kulu weapons seem like really solid choices through midgame for most trees

At least from what I've been able to tell

[weary charm]

I am getting better at swaxe funny parry move

[vapid quartz]

You can't color the chatacabra camo pants it just colors the patches, uselessssss

[weary charm]

A more comprehensive set of dyes would be nice

[vapid quartz]

And like Romo armor it's just sort of a blush so it's always purple and something else

[weary charm]

I get why some things might be monster colored but also I wanna play more dressup

[desert light]

On the one hand, I approve. On the other hand, many people should not be allowed to play dress up

[weary charm]

I am normal and should be trusted with dress up

(dazzle camo)

[balmy swan]

monster can't cart you if they're blinded by your drip

[pine basin]

through the magic of conditional formatting and COUNTIF, my wilds gear spreadsheet now correctly highlights any active group skills, and will highlight set bonuses in different colors depending on if you have level 1 or 2!

[pine basin]

also, fun question since google has been extremely unhelpful: do we know the actual numerical values for sharpness at all?
not their damage coefficients, I have those, but the actual stuff like "X sharpness value is Green/Blue/White/etc."
I'd like to add an artian weapon builder to my gear spreadsheet, but I need to know what +30 sharpness from an infusion actually means so I can properly slot it into calculations

[desert light]

As far as I know 1 point of sharpness= 1 hit

So I usually see meta guides measuring in # of hits X sharpness has

It is more complicated with some weapons like Dual blades that have inherent sharpness protection

[visual lava]

the sharpness thresholds are unique to each weapon anyways

But if you're concerned about Artians specifically, they have white by default

you could just test for yourself how many hits of white it has without any sharpness boosts. Or just google it

[empty raft]

Okay chat I have a question

In a hypothetical MonHun fan ttrpg

Would you want only humans to be playable? Or would you want lynians as well? What kinda options would yall be interested in

[zealous laurel]

If the design scope permitted, I think playing as a Palico focusing on buffs/debuffs/cc for example would be really fun. Pathfinder 2e sort of has this (not strictly enforced) dichotomy between martial being good at damage and caster classes being versatile and great at support and it works pretty well.

[graceful snow]

I mean, you can already play palicos in a monhun, so it would make sense for them to be available

[empty raft]

Bwuh

Which one can you play them in?

[graceful snow]

GU

Its called Prowler Mode

[empty raft]

Ooo neat

[pine basin]

oof, I guess I'll just need to do testing
the idea was to allow someone to select their parts/infusions and upgrades, and the spreadsheet would be able to put the needed values into the EFR calculator
but I wasn't sure what the threshold was to go from white to purple sharpness when the bonuses are all in numbers

[visual lava]

we don't have purple sharpness yet

that's typically not until G/Master rank is added to a game

[pine basin]

I didn't think so, but I'm also imagining someone going for like every single sharpness boost at the expense of other stats potentially hitting it, and I would prefer the sheet accommodate that rather than throw an error

[visual lava]

that's simply not how sharpness works

also, I'm fairly certain that Artians max out at two sharpness rolls, but I don't know that for a fact

[pine basin]

fair enough
I saw that the sharpness upgrade is+30 (+20 for IG), and if you could theoretically get all five upgrades that would be +150/+100, and without a formula or data I wasn't sure what that would do
but this is my first monhun game, so thank you for clarifying; I'll just lock that value at white sharpness

[visual lava]

according to a reddit post

If you look at weapons, you'll notice that they have a space of empty sharpness on their sharpness bar. If you look closely, you'll see there's a thin strip at the bottom telling you what color the sharpness will be if you use the Handicraft skill.

[frank epoch]

had a pretty sick moment with this other greatsword user https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/34447015203570968/A6581DE33201C7FF417AA3179CB1069402594F22/

[brave hazel]

Y'know what I wish

I wish the Rey Dau longsword had the lightning effect that the Zinogre longsword has

The one where the blade starts to like crackle with lightning once you get it charged up

[weak gulch]

From what I've seen of MH World sets, it works fine at High Rank, but MR sets are loaded with abilities and slots.

WIlds's weapon/armor split seems like an attempt at dialing things back, and leaving more space for defensive/utility skills instead.

[tardy grotto]

Honestly
Bazelgeuse should be in Wilds
Same theme
Same geometry, same textures as World
No wounding working, no associated weapons
And only as a turf war aggressor
Dude gets so aggro he jumps games

[snow helm]

I'm really curious about what invader they do decide to bring in, or if they even go with an old one or make an entirely new monster for the role

Well, I suppose Arkveld is effectively the new invader in Wilds because they're in every region but still

[outer heron]

I'd love a new monster

[snow helm]

I am hoping we get a new monster in the TUs that isn't a siege monster. I always found it weird how World had Kulve and Safi both be sieges and new monsters

[outer heron]

world also had non-siege TU monsters

[snow helm]

But not new ones, I mean, besides the collabs

Well, and Frostfang I suppose

[desert light]

Datamines at once point had us thinking we had an all new monster coming

Then it turned out it was the data for the barrelbomb minigame

[teal halo]

Frostfang is irrelevant

[graceful snow]

How so?

[desert light]

We knew the data for the small monster, ms, and that they were going in the gathering hub and were associated with the large monster

[snow helm]

Similar to how there was data for a mystery large monster in the base game from the datamines that turned out to be the target dummy

[desert light]

That's exactly what I'm talking about, lol

[snow helm]

Oh, I thought you meant (spoilers Wilds datamines) ||em166, which is a different non-monster than em165||

[desert light]

Oh no am i out of touch

[desert light]

Oh, wait, no i'm not. ||They're both bowling ball targets - one is the big target, the other is the small mosnter ersion of it||

[desert light]

Oh is the patch out?

[near bane]

not yet

the notes are but the patch it self no

[balmy swan]

New status ailments have been added
weh?

[snow helm]

I think that's just Mizu's bubbleblight

The patch notes are really weird

Like the first bullet is that they've added new monsters to hunt and then immediately have two seperate bullets afterward that are the two new monsters

[balmy swan]

Oh that makes sense

Doesn't look like much is going to affect my weapons (apart from maybe the Opening Shot fix) but the general fixes seem solid

Especially what I'm assuming is having Alma stay further back during a hunt. Really don't need her to be right there while I'm whacking a monster 😛

[amber frost]

OH SHIT RIGHT TODAY IS TU1 ISNT IT

MIZUMIZUMIZU

[graceful snow]

https://info.monsterhunter.com/wilds/update/en-us/Ver.1.010.00.00.html

[balmy swan]

I feel like I should start giving my loadouts more creative names than just the weapon I'm using

This is mainly on account of the Punishing Draw 3 Dosha GS build that is just begging to be called "we have hammer at home"

[frank epoch]

You seen the Freezer Speartuna GS?

Much more potential for Punishing Draw shenanigans imo

[balmy swan]

Oho 👀 I haven't unlocked it yet but I'll have to keep that in mind

[amber frost]

speartuna sweep

[graceful snow]

Is that fextra?

[frank epoch]

i think so?

not sure

[graceful snow]

gently pushes MH Wiki forward https://monsterhunterwiki.org/wiki/Freezer_Speartuna_(MHWilds)

[frank epoch]

i was unaware of this, thank you!

[vapid quartz]

It's so fun, I love when joke things are good

[real zodiac]

Actually let's just

https://monsterhunterwiki.org/wiki/Monster_Hunter_Wilds

[real zodiac]

Fextra eats up the seo so let's front the link in the pins

[desert light]

YO HOHOHO

TU1 is out

14.3 gigs

[desert light]

My fashion is great

[real zodiac]

Ooo, what are the new skills?

[desert light]

No idea, just ifnished hunt, lemme go see

but also, spoilers on Mitsu

||ahaha it just has soulseer mode as part of it's normal moveset now. it just enrages a second time and starts having the flaming eye and blue flame bubble attacks||

Mizu amror: Gives Aquatic/Oilslit mobility, Burst, Constituion, Evade Window, burst and peak perfomance

Set bonus is Bubbly Dance I/II - "Prevents Major bubblelbight and increases evasion while inflcited with minor bubbleblight"
II: Upgrades it to inflict minor bubbleblight when evading many times

New weapon skil tlhough; Slicked BLade - affinity +3-9% when wet, 7-21% when afflicted iwth bubbleblight

[real zodiac]

Oh cute

[desert light]

Gonna go fight ||Zoh Shia HR|| now so i'll report back on Stuff TM

Bahahaha

the new canteen animation is pretty cute

[desert light]

HR ||Zoh Shia|| Down. You get 6 body carves and 2 tail carves base

Armor set gives Agitator 5, Counterstrike 3, Rec 3, Coal 3, EA 3 and skill "Super Recovery I/II" which lets the Healthbar slowly recover up to max health even if there's no red gauge. II removes the "Slowly" clause

Beta set gives agi 5, EA 3, Rec 2 CS 1 and Coal 1 (Boo) but comes with Level 3 x 4, Level 2x 3, level 1 x 2.

GS has 220 Raw, 5% affinity, 300 dragon, solid amount of white raw and 3/2/1 slots. Gives "Whiteflame Torrent" which is "Chance to deal additonal damage after landing na attack"

You need an Arkveld gem and a GOre magala gem to make the fullset, as well as a gem from the monster.

Cutely you can by mixing it create a set that's either Full Angel or Full Fallen look

[real zodiac]

Oh that is fun

[graceful snow]

Lol, they raised the cost of melding, but also raised the value of gold melding tickets

Know your guard timings

[desert light]

Niiiiiiice

Also Gore Magala can now spawn in ||Wyveria|| not just Cliffs

[graceful snow]

Also got an A in bowling already

[balmy swan]

🫧 🦊

i s2g at this rate i'm just going to end up with a full set of crit element greatswords

already had the rath and fulgur ones on the list, now i'm adding mizu

[gilded mountain]

Any news on the performance update in the pipe? None of my crew can run this shiz yet lol, even on the fancy pcs

[amber frost]

absurdly love that

|| how's the armour look? same as usual i assume?||

[desert light]

Yup, just nice fancy quality

[amber frost]

|| Damnit, which means the master rank will likely be the same as MHGU's, ughh.||

[zealous laurel]

Interested in this too. Somehow the game ran okay initially but has gotten progressively worse for me as time went on.

[desert light]

Wouldnt Rise/Sunbreak be a better comparison point?

[amber frost]

No actually! cause the armour didn't change for G rank there

it was one of my biggest complaints

[desert light]

IT did though?

https://monsterhunterrise.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Monster-Hunter-Rise/mizutsune_set-mhr-wiki-guide.png

High rank

https://monsterhunterrise.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Monster-Hunter-Rise/mizutsune_x-male-set-mhr-wiki-guide.png

Master Rank

[amber frost]

Oh wow no fair then they just looks so samey i genuinely blanked on it

[desert light]

They're pretty different, but the silhoutes are very similar

[amber frost]

Either way i'm still sad the visuals of the soulseer armour are long gone then

[desert light]

Lol, killed a temepred Arkveld with a boulder drop

[amber frost]

Nice

[desert light]

Fucking lol, my caty booped a mosnter as it fled

andcaused it to fall asleep

[rich valve]

try deleting your shader cache and having the game regenerate it, helps sometimes

[desert light]

and @zealous laurel I have a very powerful rig, and it feels like i've gotten less stuters etc

Take with grain of salt, this is a very subjective thing and i havent played for over a week before this

[desert light]

Just watched 3 people facetank the ultimate of the new HR boss monster

Instant quest fail

[graceful snow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/991386683960471745/1357583987454906480/Monster_Hunter_Wilds_2025.04.04_-_00.03.30.09.DVR.mp4?ex=67f0bc1d&is=67ef6a9d&hm=335b3b857d9c923a47979e6ba5ab02ff1cfd6bb3ce592b0df948ca5634c36681&

[desert light]

Nice! I've gotten A once, but struggled to get the bomb to go where I want most of the time

[hollow ravine]

ngl ||Zoh Shia quest|| took me a hot minute

[brave hazel]

EVIL and FUCKED UP BIRD

[brave hazel]

...girl ain't them shits on your face

[stiff dust]

i have two pairs of glasses

[brave hazel]

Oh fuck, Sand Uddertail???

Pretty fun fight, 10/10

Much better than Rise's

[teal halo]

Mizutsanse

[visual lava]

Mizu bubble bullet hell?

[balmy swan]

megalovania intro starts playing

but yeah, fun fight, even if i got slapped around a whole bunch

that fox-dragon can schmoove

[brave hazel]

Vaguely miss its drifting from Rise, felt slow this time

Even if it was a massive pain in the neck to keep up with it

[balmy swan]

just wait for the MR version, i'm sure that'll keep us on our toes

[verbal copper]

Is there new monster hunter stuff already?

Damn wilds I just stopped playing

[balmy swan]

yeah, title update 1 just dropped

[rich valve]

the next won't be until summer

[brave hazel]

...oh lord that Zoh Shia CB hits DIFFERENT I tell you what

Sword mode's DPS is a lot better now that I randomly just hit things twice in one strike

[amber frost]

JUST DID THE MIZU FIGHT AND IM BOUNCING OFF THE WALLS, I LOVE MY BOI

Also, related note, has mizu ever lost a fight in their cinematics? cause i feel like they might be one of the few monsters with a perfect record

[vapid quartz]

do you mean turf wars or like cutscenes, cuz mizu ||loses to uth-duna in this game kind of, im glad they had a good fight but they let the apex keep his dignity in his house||

[amber frost]

Cutscenes, hence why i said cinematics

[visual lava]

Is there Tempered Mizu in the game already? The story one is kinda wimpy tbh (although I think I also got a smaller than average one)

[vapid quartz]

my brother says he fought a tempered gcrown mizu today so i think so

[visual lava]

nice

it's too bad its armor is only rarity 6

the beta legs seem to be pretty decent though

[vapid quartz]

yeah and some of its weapons dont really get their skill boost when not wearing the set, it is interesting tho

[weak gulch]

||I've heard rain can proc the "or wet" part of the weapons.||

[real zodiac]

Yeah I imagine rain, in water, waterblight

There's a bit of friction tho

[visual lava]

except the "wet" buff is much smaller than the bubbleblight buff

[real zodiac]

Ahh

[desert light]

This matters a lot less with the new armor caps - the difference between a 6 and an 8 is about.. 4 or 6 armor

Not in sigfnact across a whole set, but also not huge