Monster Hunter

[hollow comet]

but p2 and p3 felt like they had some unavoidable attacks

[brave hazel]

...eh, maybe I should delete that

[hollow comet]

!wamly

[brave hazel]

OI

[hollow comet]

well maybe not unavoidable, but so many vacuum attacks into bomb

maybe i had to position on its backside more idk

[brave hazel]

Yeah Gaismagorm was

Not Very Fun

It was a spectacle to be sure

[hollow comet]

i'm gonna rematch it sometime

[brave hazel]

But the fucker was so huge it felt like fighting a fucking Dark Souls boss

Narwa was better

[hollow comet]

i died on the proof of a hero phase in singleplayer and just sos flared it but then it died too quick 💀

yeah i liked narwa more

also i didn't know where the dragonator lever was

some rando pulled it and did like 3k damage

[brave hazel]

Narwa is fun as shit with an insect glaive

[hollow comet]

i'll use it as my IG testing ground

HR 93 ..

valstrax soon. ..

[brave hazel]

Valstrax is fucking awesome

[hollow comet]

oh wow the valstrax set looks sick skill wise

50 resistances at 80% health or lower?? isn’t that just halved elemental damage (but not physical i guess)

and wex 3

20 attack from resuscitate and 10% attack from dragonheart 5 under 80% hp

oh but it’s 400 base defense, probably because it’s base game

ah there’s an MR version

[full sage]

dragonheart's always has been valstrax's thing, though there's a Spicier version of the armor in late game Master Rank with another skill that goes well with it
people do tend to just use that other skill, Dragon Conversion with Furious instead though

[hollow comet]

oh wow, that's interesting

so much element :O

blue scroll furious sounds cool with maximum might, but with Dragon Conversion I feel like you would never swap off of red 😩

[hollow comet]

if a weapon has an element, should you prioritize damage or crit? same question for if it's a raw weapon i guess

[brave hazel]

Hmmng

Steamed punk yeehaw...

[halcyon fractal]

yeehaw

👀 they look sick

what hat are you using?

[brisk dirge]

IIRC crit is generally better than attack boost for raw weapons

So Weakness Exploit and crit boost are pretty good

Though you still want as much attack boost as you can manage without sacrificing anything essential

Element gets weirder, because I don't remember if element can crit

But elemental weapons are much better than usual in Rise IIRC

[brave hazel]

Lien hat, from the Flash of Inspiration quest

[weak gulch]

Normally no, Critical Element skill adds extra % when landing crits.

[halcyon fractal]

👀 nice

ty!

[hollow comet]

i was considering making one of the gaismagorm weapons, they have -25% crit but some dragon element, so I was wondering if I should mess around with my builds to focus on attack or crit or crit+critical element

[hollow comet]

does anyone know what this swaxe is? just saw it in a youtube vid

[outer heron]

what game's that? looks like rise?

with the wiggler and scroll

hmm

not thunderclap

damn, i thought it might be one of the magalas, but it looks nothing like them

i swear it's not modded

looks like it's the rathsplicer

i admit, that looks nothing what i remembered silver rath weapons to be

[weak gulch]

Might be regular Rathalos Switch Axe (High Rubillion) going by the coloration

[hollow comet]

tyty

[hollow comet]

yep!

someone else also said rathsplicer, but yeah it looks a bit less silvery so it might be the high rubillion

[brave hazel]

Yeah it's just the Rathalos switch axe

[hollow comet]

my rise crashed??

goddamn

i was 1/3 through a malzeno chameleos and shageru magala hunt

man..

[balmy swan]

rip

[hollow comet]

i got em

but 1 faint this time

sad

da money maker

would've been more but alas

[brave hazel]

The money makerrrrr

Want me to help?

[hollow comet]

zamn i forgot to pong you when i got on

i’m hopping off

killed my first afflicted monster

ooooh layered armor for MR

yay

[brave hazel]

Question

How do you dodge Amatsu's lightning nuke

[full sage]

if it's the move I'm thinking of, follow the npc prompts by

1. moving to a great wirebug and using it
2. wiredashing in midair
3. hanging in midair with... B? whatever the right button of your face buttons is

[brave hazel]

I was hanging in midair and still got nuked by it

[full sage]

unfortunately I don't have enough information to diagnose your tech issue here

[brave hazel]

Ohoho

I got Bloodlust and Furious on two of my armor pieces with Quirious Crafting

Gonna build myself for Bloodlust some more

Furious seems good, flat defense boost AND infinite stamina

[brave hazel]

On further introspection, Furious seems

Kinda eh

It's not bad but it only really benefits stamina intensive weapons

Like bow, or dual blades

I imagine that on either of those it's absolutely god-tier

Significantly longer Demon Mode and you can shoot more

Gonna try for another level of Bloodlust

[full sage]

I'm not sure about bow, but furious is generally not necessary on dual blades (if you want the comfort of infinite stamina, you generally go for Heavensent)
though, there are builds you can do that use Furious for the... Elemental Resistances?
...just kidding, it's for dragon conversion exclusively, basically, since it's cheap elemental res you can just force into more damage.

...Oh, or you could use Berserk, but Berserk is like, the opposite of "comfort"
That's... a bit of an exaggeration, since I guess you can argue that it has built in one shot protection, but it's uh.
Funky.

[brave hazel]

Jesus fucking Christ look at the size of this Velk

[hollow comet]

zamb

i got a velk quest

gonna take a small rise break ( haha get it) tho

[brave hazel]

Lmao

[brave hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296158815865405440/1287632018753982506/image.webp

Apparently that screencap is a .GIF file now

Which is funny

[hollow comet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296158815865405440/1287632018753982506/image.webp

[quick lynx]

got four tails from one monster

[brave hazel]

Lmao

Tbh I assume that the parts are less "this is an entire tail" and more like

"This is a section of a tail that's usable for crafting"

Explains how we can get multiple in one hunt

Or multiple in one carve

Same for like, horns and wings

You're not lugging around an entire goddamn Diablos horn, it's just pieces that you can use to craft with

[full sage]

4 gypceros heads

[brave hazel]

Bits of skull, easy

...also, holy FUCK Bazel armor is absolutely peak

[balmy swan]

It's a great look

Has good skills, too, at least in world

[brave hazel]

Really dig the Steel Greatsword too for some reason

All these cool flashy swords and I pick the lamest one in the game

Just gives me mad Berserk vibes

Wish it was longer though

[outer heron]

https://fixvx.com/oj_likes_games/status/1838057992077611076
https://fixvx.com/OJ_LIKES_GAMES/status/1838166421890826310
https://fixvx.com/CaoSlayerGL/status/1838157757838454840

new wyvernfire fucking rules

[brave hazel]

Oh wow

Gunlance is actually a gun

[halcyon fractal]

WHAT THE SHIT

WYVERNFIRE IS A FUCKING PROJECTILE

[crude kayak]

I can't watch those right now but do we know shelling types on the gunlance?

Because in some MH games spread and distance was based on that.

[outer heron]

not afaik

[stuck needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunlance/comments/1exsnae/from_the_capcom_german_stream_the_stats_screen/ if it's the same one as here, Normal

[brave hazel]

Holy shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39wm3rcmmjs

[gentle knoll]

15 second mark, did that hunter just wyvern fire twice in a row?

[outer heron]

yeah!

[gentle knoll]

dang

it would be kinda funny if it works like "there's wyvern fire and then there's special resrouce wyvern fire, they run on different cooldowns, but if you MUST put out as much DPS in the alloted time, you can use them one after another"

[void narwhal]

Bunch of new stuff in the State of Play, releases last day of Feb

||https://youtu.be/0dJpKRWYNkE||

[brave hazel]

||Any relation to zinogre...?||

||IS UNDERWATER COMBAT POTENTIALLY RETURNING||

||GREMBLINS||

||A... cockatrice? Interesting, that's the most fantasy monster design they've added yet for a standard species||

[brisk dirge]

creatures

[naive elk]

we're back to World level maps

everything in the trailer looking just

https://tenor.com/view/beautiful-bayonetta-rodin-gif-18795308

[vocal haven]

AHHHHHHH

||THE WATER MONSTER IS SO DOPE, CHICKEN, WHITE WRAITH||

[brave hazel]

...I know there is a strict DO NOT FUCKING PREORDER policy, but I am... tempted

[naive elk]

i wanna pre-order though

[brave hazel]

That hat is just

Peak drip

[naive elk]

i fucking love MHW and i really enjoyed MHR

[vocal haven]

Seems like we got our flagship!

[naive elk]

this is looking so unfathomably cash

oh neat

[vocal haven]

I saw a cove. DONT DENY US LAGI

[naive elk]

oh right the Save Data bonuses

i forgor

[brave hazel]

Ooooooooooo that samurai armor's neat

...I

[naive elk]

i kinda want to send it

[brave hazel]

Really do hope they don't go for a Rise style of cosmetics though

Where there were a decent chunk of cosmetics you should've been able to unlock in-game locked behind purchases

[naive elk]

yeah

[brave hazel]

Like the Lost Code weapons

I

Also hope this won't be a Playstation exclusive

[naive elk]

it's coming to steam

[brave hazel]

It's unlikely it WILL be, but I don't-

Oh, good

[naive elk]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2246340/Monster_Hunter_Wilds/

Steam

Monster Hunter Wilds

The hunt is on in Monster Hunter Wilds, the latest installment in the Monster Hunter series, now in development. Experience the pinnacle of excellence in hunting action gameplay.Planned for release in 2025.Note: Supported languages and other details to be announced at a later date.

Release Date

2025

▶ Play video

[brave hazel]

I was about to say, I don't trust Sony to pull some headass move

[gentle knoll]

it's not been a sony exclusive for quite a while, and there's no indication of it going back

[frank epoch]

They said there would be cross play at launch also

[brave hazel]

Yeah I'm just paranoid and stupid

[gentle knoll]

once bitten, and such?

[brave hazel]

I guess

Know what I hope for most, though

I hope they have an option for the Surge Combo attacks

Them shits is FUN

[stuck needle]

||fishing|| confirmed

[gentle knoll]

is that not expected to be kept?

[stuck needle]

I just thought it was funny to spoiler tag it, tbh

[gentle knoll]

ah

[brave hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/v1-ultrakill-v1-v1-fishing-ultrakill-fish-ultrakill-fishing-gif-2683157499428382602

I might just keep reusing my old MonHun World character

Headcanon some bullshit of "The fights with Xeno'jiiva and Safi'jiiva doused him in so much bioenergy he's effectively immortal and now serves as the Guild's ace up their sleeve"

Which is pretty self indulgent but like

Man's killed MULTIPLE legends up to this point

Kushala, Teostra, Lunastra, Kirin, Vaal, Velkhana, Shara, Xeno, Safi, Narwa, Ibushi, Valstrax

Fucking Fatalis itself

THE "Big Bad Scary World Ender"

At that point he's just the go to for "Shit's fucked, send in that old fucker from Kamura"

[naive elk]

i have a monhun char i use for every game

Hemmia

is her name

absolutely legendary at this point since she's sweeped everything in World except Fatalis and most things in Rise

[zenith sedge]

Oh hell yeah these new monsters are fantastic

Also ||really enjoy how they didn't make the cockatrice-like monster a bird wyvern, instead making it a brute wyvern||

[brave hazel]

...why tho

[teal halo]

because bird wyverns are smol

this one is big and firey and powerful

[mystic cape]

Also is it just me or does the ||White Wraith have fucking chain whips in its wings?!||

[brave hazel]

It does, and I wonder if it's perhaps a callback to that one Frontier monster

||Berukyurosu, that's the one||

[crude kayak]

There was bird wyvern hypnocatrice already as well

[brave hazel]

Hm

MonHun on KB+M seems

Surprisingly manageable?

I thought it would be some OSU hell of constantly having to input combos on my keyboard but I seem to be able to do most everything attack-related with my mouse

[vocal haven]

I play only on kb+m ye

The most annoying thing is all helps and guides are in controller input

[brave hazel]

I'll probably stick to greatsword for now while I get used to shit

[candid perch]

stares at "cosmetic DLC pack" at the bottom
Wamly I have bad news :(

[brave hazel]

I mean like

Where a good chunk of the cosmetics they were selling should've just been unlockables

Or were split among like five different DLCs for each piece

[candid perch]

Yeeeaaaaa

[brave hazel]

It's not even that each one is expensive cause they're like, a buck fifty at most for layered armors, it's just weird and annoying

[candid perch]

I'm hoping the armor is (if the trailers are anything to go by) less grounded than MHW so I have less urge to customize

The armors in Rise were awesome

World was.. mostly bland

[brave hazel]

Yeah

World felt too constrained

Especially with weapons

Half of them were just "X base weapon with bits of Y monster taped onto it"

[candid perch]

I can think of so many bone weapons that suffered from that
It was too common

I think metal faired a little better, but additions to that tree were also way rarer in my experience

[full sage]

they massacred my boy... (glavenus)

[brave hazel]

God

The glavenus weapons were done so dirty

The longsword and greatsword ESPECIALLY

Greatsword was RIGHT THERE, they could've made it the blade-tail with a handle

Same for Longsword

Then they just... made em alloy weapons with shit taped to em

At least the charge blade looks good

[quick lynx]

Glavenus tail greatsword would’ve been so raw,,,

[brave hazel]

For real

And they fucking BUTCHERED IT

They used the UGLIEST greatsword for it and just taped some random shit onto it

I'm so fucking salty about it

[full sage]

https://cdn.kiranico.net/file/kiranico/mhgen-web/assets/game/image/two134_render.png

...honestly, glavenus in iceborne generally has solidified my opinion that I'd generally much prefer new monsters built from the ground up to fit the combat style of the specific game than bringing back old favorites

[brave hazel]

Eh, dunno

Hard to make a full roster of unique monsters

[full sage]

...i'll be honest, the thing I actually wanted to say was "I really don't want to see astalos and mizutsune in a world style game"

[main turret]

Meanwhile, poor Gammoth is waiting to be added to a game that isn't Gen/GenU

[brave hazel]

Oh Christ

Mizu would've been AWFUL to fight in World

[full sage]

like there are absolutely monsters that can work in either style, there are just ones that you'd have to strip away a lot of their identity to properly do that

[zenith sedge]

I'm currently making an article on my site about my thoughts on each of the newly revealed monsters and while in the process of working on Lala Barina's alt text, I just noticed how wasp-like its face is. The mandibles, the somewhat angular compound eyes, and the three ocelli arranged in a triangle on its forehead, I already liked this monster but these details have certainly elevated my opinion of it

[brave hazel]

Do y'all have any advice on getting used to playing Monstie Hunter on KB+M

[halcyon fractal]

Well, for me, I got around using mechanics like the guard + special attacks by binding the buttons to something underneath the WASD keys

like C or Z

or even X

also you really want to make sure your sensitivity is high enough to move your camera around

[halcyon fractal]

You're playing World or Rise, right?

[brave hazel]

Rise

I'll prolly play World again sometime

[vocal haven]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1fpn8c0/akira_slide_on_the_bird_spotted/?share_id=21wC1UPZyofdJ0J5GDIfe&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[outer heron]

https://vxtwitter.com/kochamhw/status/1838926411794702705

[hollow comet]

who up getting flamed by espinas

[mystic cape]

https://youtu.be/ma4xMeHRaS4?si=7XIZZFd618gmop9V

[surreal escarp]

Digimon vpet X monhun collab

[main turret]

Gore VPet

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-gif-14006288

Oh shit there's also a Mizu one...

Next you're going to tell me there's a Nerscylla/Rakna-Kadaki one in the works

[hollow comet]

hbg is pretty fun

gonna try to make the gore magala one, but chaotic gore magala messed me up

[undone bolt]

https://vxtwitter.com/quirklessstoner/status/1839318172903870788?s=61&t=n_ODcJbXaokFRSjEcg_VxA

babies

[brave hazel]

Smol

[brave hazel]

God I hope we can keep endemic life pets in Wilds

That was one of my favorite parts of World

Alongside customizing my Iceborne house

That shit was FUN

[naive elk]

same

[brave hazel]

The Iceborne house system is so good, honestly

Only thing that would've made it better would've been if we could customize the floor plan as well

I hope they have something similar in Wilds

[naive elk]

would be really nice

[brave hazel]

...god, after Iceborne, Rise's rooms just felt like such a letdown

Can't customize diddly besides the poster, the photos on the walls, and the stuff on your shelves

Oh, apparently there was a capture net in the trailer, so we WILL be getting capturable endemic life!

https://tenor.com/view/yipee-meme-gif-25350387

What I'm REALLY hoping and praying for is this, though

[naive elk]

that would be fucked up good

[brave hazel]

Fr

[teal halo]

behemoth was hell for me already i don't want to fight an ACTUAL GOD

elder dragons are worshipped as gods yes but they are just animals i don't feel like getting the shit kicked out of me by THAT

[brave hazel]

Idk, I feel it'd be worth it for the sheer spectacle alone

It would undoubtedly be Actual Hell, but godDAMN would it put even Shara Ishvalda to shame

[naive elk]

the only dragon i have yet to kill is Fatalis

so in all my hubris

bring it the fuck on

i will kill it

[teal halo]

no amount of "Proof Of A Hero" is going to get me through the experience of fighting a god with a couple of axes

[brave hazel]

I will kill God with a toothpick and a dinner plate, bring it on

[naive elk]

isn't Bahamut the guy who sent Final Fantasy XIV into A Realm Rebvorn

[brave hazel]

Yeah

He's like

THE Biggest Bad in 14

But also the Biggest Good Guy because he got rid of the old shitty ff14 and ushered in the new and better one

...fuck

I still need to set up my account for 14

Fuck it, doing that now

[naive elk]

https://tenor.com/view/beautiful-bayonetta-rodin-gif-18795308

[teal halo]

oh no i am going to |}!3 (not censorship, just imagine hearing it said through a really glitchy speaker)

[brave hazel]

Lmao

YOU CAN THROW BARREL BOMBS NOW???

What in the Donkey Kong

[teal halo]

how long until we get a "barrel only" run with the person doing it making their character look like ol' DK himself?

[brave hazel]

I'm predicting a Backlogs run within the month

The Firebomb Academy must spread its teachings

[brave hazel]

Do y'all have any recommended keyboard bindings for Rise

[halcyon fractal]

ALCHEMY SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

[halcyon fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoFMejWFJxw

[candid perch]

Helicopter rotor sound effect

[brave hazel]

What charge blade do y'all think would look best with this fit?

Thinking the Kushala CB but I'm not sure

[hollow comet]

oughhh

chaotic gore magala..

[brave hazel]

Hmm

Perhaps

...oh wait you mean you're on the strugglebus with Chaotic Gore

Want me to lend a hand later?

[full sage]

i'm so happy that they brought back the gimmick of its weapons in a game where inflicting frenzy on yourself is actually a good idea

[hollow comet]

if i'm still on sure

[hollow comet]

looking a bit more diverse now

[brave hazel]

Ditto, it's really fun

[hollow comet]

i'm da eeper ..

oh yeah

i saw the weapons

[brave hazel]

Encourages a really aggressive play style

[hollow comet]

idk how to inflict frenzy on myself, i think there's an armor set tho

[brave hazel]

You need the Bloodlust skill

[hollow comet]

need 1 more gore magala sensor to make the hbg

[brave hazel]

Just one level will have you set but additional levels are ideal

[hollow comet]

then i can make the shagaru or farm chaotic guy for the thingy to make the chaotic weapon

i see

i'm dying so fast

weh

[brave hazel]

I'd wait and make the Velkhana one if I were you

[hollow comet]

por que

[brave hazel]

Has a better spread of ammo and higher damage

[hollow comet]

just wasted 40 mins

😭

i sleeb

[brave hazel]

The Gore LBG is fun tho

[hollow comet]

i was gonna add maximum might 2 to my LS build but it would mean losing WW3

wehhhh

alright

velkhana sometime this weekend

then i'll take a longer break cuz i'm gonna be busy in the coming weeks

😔

[full sage]

...most of the hammer was rise, I fell off of using it in sunbreak.

[hallow shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiSQdktuX38

[stuck needle]

https://youtu.be/VhbpWdK6yjs

#1164963928531533855 message

the Hunting Horn page shows one melody as "Echo Wave (Blunt)" which might imply other damage types are available??
I was right! the demo confirmed, blunt, slicingg, elemental and status echo waves are available, depending on the horn

[queen jewel]

https://fixvx.com/MidnightBoshi/status/1839307761219482063?t=Z1yJW_iAisWgUsx0vFehPg&s=19

[void narwhal]

About as subtle as all those 'which character are you' quizzes back in y'olden days

[rapid lion]

yeah, but at least it maps directly to a weapon and doesn't lock you in on whatever you end up with (see Pokemon Mystery Dungeon)

[hollow comet]

oooh

[hollow comet]

:O

maybe i'll use this with the chaotic hbg

but yeah i could also make the velkhana one

[void narwhal]

Animal Crossing did this with 3,000$ haircuts and used euphemism for color choice

[halcyon fractal]

||CONGALALA||

||HE'S BACK?||

|| https://x.com/monsterhunter/status/1839891887160770582?t=LuhW8V3ODO8HudHd9LYOEw&s=19 ||

Monster Hunter (@monsterhunter) on X

Smell that? Yes, your nose does not deceive you! The pink-furred fanged beast with a penchant for flatulence, Congalala, returns in Monster Hunter Wilds! #MHWilds

Twitter · Sep 28, 2024, 4:56 AM

FUCK

[void narwhal]

||https://youtu.be/SZ3L0-Q5tHw||

[winged crest]

How do you brush your teeth?

• just one big brush to clean all my teeth
• with my weapon unseathed
• I gotta doot first for better cleaning
• SAED

[void narwhal]

perfect accuracy

[brave hazel]

THE RETURN OF THE MF KING

[brave hazel]

Popped back into World for a moment

I already miss my MR Bazel armor

Give me back my glorious cape and lion pauldron...

Rise really did knock it outta the park with the MR Bazel armor chestpiece, though, it's SO good looking

[stuck needle]

Oh, I started Iceborn yesterday. My gear situation on this save is kind of dire 😅 and hunting beotodus felt very yakkety sax (appropriately for hunting horn)

Is the idea that you go straight through Iceborne from MR1, or should I detour through MR basegame areas? (It's my first time playing through MR in any game)

[candid perch]

I'd do the latter, you're going to need the armor to progress. I don't remember if there's stuff better than Beotodus armor at MR1 but you might as well look for it

That and weapons

You need the weapons more than anything for MR

[stuck needle]

Mhm, I've got a progression guide that I trust for the weapons...although it defaults to Defender stuff in a way that seems kind of boring.

[frigid mango]

I need a second opinion. Sunbreak or Iceborne? I can really only swing one right now.

[full sage]

best unbiased advice I can give is "did you prefer the base game fighting style of world or rise better" since they are both "the base game but more"
world does let you use the clutch claw sans dlc, so you could possibly get an idea from that, and sunbreak also expands on the switch skill/wirebug systems in ways that aren't too distinct from the base

are you looking for a "pick up and play, just go fight the monster" experience, or are you more into the whole tracking/ecology loop stuff?

[stuck needle]

It's also looking like Wilds will take after World, whatever that does to your personal calculus

[brisk dirge]

Defender gear is basically intentionally slightly overpowered, so that you can get through the content faster

[balmy swan]

yeah, it's essentially for speedrunning LR and HR so you can get to Iceborne

[final hedge]

the friend group has begun playing rise

[full sage]

nice, nice

[final hedge]

they are not ready for my one thousand outfits

[brave hazel]

I say Iceborne tbh

Sunbreak is very good but you'll get more out of Iceborne ultimately

[full sage]

"more" is really subjective there

[brave hazel]

True

[hollow comet]

ooooh

very nice

i made some pieces velkhana layered armor, it looks ok and has some clipping issues with weapons but i've been wearing mizu for forever

wanted to switch it up

[final hedge]

I am so committed to the drip game

I have so many painstakingly crafted outfits

[hollow comet]

i am horrendous at drip sadly

[final hedge]

the secret is autism

[hollow comet]

zamn

😔

maybe i am missing it or have the wrong kind

i like smackies

[final hedge]

a base game fit (sword is a mod)

oh I found one with krug

[hollow comet]

dang...

I'm really bad at putting outfits together 😭

[final hedge]

[hollow comet]

i should take off my layered armor, I haven't really seen my actual armor since High Rank

the mizu pajama vibes are really nice

and the MR version looks less sleepy clothes-y which would be a nice change

but maybe I'll start trying to put outfits together now that i've killed most monsters

[final hedge]

the mr one is like a funky feudal japan lookin outfit

[hollow comet]

yea

it's got some fur instead of being looking like plastic all the way through

[hollow comet]

what armor is this?

[final hedge]

rajang chest, hunter arms, kamurai waist (deluxe edition item I think), hunter legs

[hollow comet]

[final hedge]

really though you can just build whatever fits around the rajang chest

[hollow comet]

yeah it looks nice

is that a yamato mod

[final hedge]

I find pieces of armour that I like and then build an outfit around them

yeah I think so

[hollow comet]

[final hedge]

the picture is a few years old

[hollow comet]

cool beans

i'll try da rajang chest

🦍

[brave hazel]

How does one mod Rise?

Wanted to get a mod that'll make a weapon look like my beloved Wyvern Ignition

[final hedge]

pretty simple, download mods off the nexus and use fluffy's mod manager

[brave hazel]

Simpler than World, it seems

[hollow comet]

i've been reading that capcom doesn't really care about mods or have any anti-cheat? (unless you're doing game breaking mp stuff or smth idk)

the yamato mod would be cool but i'm loath to mod any of my steam family's copies of games due to both accounts getting slapped with penalties if the borrower gets banned or something (I should read up on that), but also idk if modding is worth spending 25 maple bucks... but eventually i'd probably want my own version of the game lol

[final hedge]

yeah they don't care about mods

0% chance of ban unless you're literally hacking

[hollow comet]

o7

the seliana theme is so goooooood

world... someday...

[teal halo]

Seliana is better than astera on so many levels

Literally

It has less stairs

[hollow comet]

LOL

yeah astera is very cool in that aspect, but i get lost a bit or take a minute to get to where i want to go

no fast travel 😔

[teal halo]

I want to feel like a rat in a maze. Not a rat in a tube.

[hollow comet]

🗣️

[teal halo]

Oh also I like snow

[final hedge]

seliana has grandma cat

[hollow comet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fliZ0wYZl3c

woag..

[vocal haven]

Biggish Rise monster spoiler ^

[hollow comet]

oop yea ty

the overhead slash counter seems pretty good, might give it a try :D

[brave hazel]

It is EXTREMELY precise

Just keep that in mind

[hollow comet]

sure is 😔

MR narwa down :D

[brave hazel]

Nice

[hollow comet]

when my hunter yells "here it comes", i should probably run

[frigid mango]

the problem with this is that i have two groups of friends who will run both games with me

tho so far, i'm leaning more towards Iceborne cuz that's A)a lil older and B) cheaper

[final hedge]

very much so

[hollow comet]

😔

that's 2 triple carts to this event velkhana

idk if it's tougher than the urgent quest one

i'll go try that one

[brave hazel]

Need a hand?

I finally got an actual remote

[hollow comet]

sure

maybe my gear needs an upgrade

[brave hazel]

Monstie Hunter tiem

What are you using rn?

[hollow comet]

LS and HH

considering these 2 as upgrades

i'm sitting at ab4 but my gloves have 2 levels, but i want to upgrade them

hmm

i can just make malzeno gloves

gimme a sec wamly

i should also probably do the dango sidequests

[outer heron]

and c: better

[brave hazel]

@hollow comet right, I'm back now, sorry I had to leave so abruptly

[frigid mango]

Maaaan, but Sunbreak looks so cool too thooo

I’ll get to it later. Ideally

[bleak halo]

Can y’all help me figure something out? I’m trying to choose between either getting MHGU or risebreak on switch and I’m not entirely sure what the pros and cons of them are (I’m aware I could look it up but I trust the opinions of people in this server more ngl)
(For context I’ve only played world as far as monster hunter games go)

[hollow comet]

it's rose!!

[bleak halo]

it’s danny!!

[hollow comet]

i've only played rise and a bit of world, so i sadly can't give advice 😔

also aughh

my velkhana attempts got worse

i can't play around berserk

losing half of my health is rough

when i just want to cast a blue skill

[full sage]

MHGU is probably my favorite monster hunter game out of the entire franchise but the original release of it existed before world (we got the switch port of it after world for... some reason, in English, but it is very much an Older Style of game)
Both are "monster hunter as a portable game" so there's less of focus on things like "tracking the monster" as such, it's very much a "you go hunt the thing"

Because GU is older, it existed before a lot of changes they made in world for the sake of QoL:
It uses the old armor skill system where you need to hit thresholds (usually 10) for skills to do literally anything, it has the old blademaster/gunner split of armors, using potions has you stand still and flex for a little bit, the game is basically scaled up and retextured 3ds models, it doesn't have anything like a radial menu for item use

[bleak halo]

📝👀

[full sage]

if you can get around this, GU has A Lot in it. There's a lot of monsters, there's a lot of fun monsters

...this is also means there are a lot of shit monsters, since it's basically an anniversary title

like it's not "the fights are more likely to be shit than future games" it's "wow, they brought back a lot of old monsters, huh. can't all be winners"

I still think great maccao is the best First Hunt in the series, really

If you started in World though, rise/Sunbreak has a lot of the QoL updates they introduced there

[brisk dirge]

GenU has I think the most monsters any MH game has had

because it's basically every monster up to it

[full sage]

(risebreak also reverted a couple of tweaks they did in world that I disliked personally, but that's not particularly relevant to the question)

[bleak halo]

What were those tweaks?

[full sage]

I really love both GU and Risebreak, but it mostly comes down to "how much are you willing to put up with jank to experience the Classics"
The palico system works more similarly to previous games than world did (though it looks like wilds is going to work like world's), the weapon stat display isn't frustratingly inflated, and there's significantly less of a focus on tracking the monster

[bleak halo]

Oh shit non inflated weapon stats?

[full sage]

neither gu or sunbreak have the weird weapon class multiplier

[bleak halo]

Wait how did the palico system work before world?

[full sage]

you get more than 1

they have different specialities, you can customize their skills and kits more

[bleak halo]

So I can have a horde of meat shields distractions cats

That sounds fun

[full sage]

there's also the fact that risebreak brought back most of the Monsters People Really Wanted that were in GU but not world

the final story boss of GU is probably trapped forever there, but they brought back the magalas, mizutsune, astalos, seregios...

you also are probably more likely to find people to play with on sunbreak, if playing with random strangers on the internet is your style

funnily enough, both risebreak and gu have "options to change up your moveset for each weapon"
though the switch skill system is a lot more customizable

[bleak halo]

I usually play solo so meh

[full sage]

I really do love GU and it does still have my Favorite Hunt in the entire series...

...but also it's still more classic monster hunter, so like, you're going to have to gather mushrooms

[bleak halo]

Mmm

[bleak halo]

So what’re the different systems?

(I’m kinda leaning GU right now ngl, though the armor split sounds like a pain)

[full sage]

the armor split really isn't that much of a bother
it means that different versions of the same monster's armor can have different skills specialized to blademaster or gunner weapons

it also means more designs

[brisk dirge]

it mostly matters if you switch between gunner and blademaster weapons
but if you don't, it doesn't affect you much

[full sage]

GU used the Styles and Arts system
There are 6 styles (4 in the base game, but that was on 3ds), and a pile of Hunter Arts, some generic, some unique to each weapon. Arts charge up as you attack the monster, deal damage, and do the specific gimmick of your style, granting you powerful attacks/utility moves/dodges.
Guild, the base style, doesn't have any particular tricks or weaknesses, gives you 2 slots for arts.
Striker, a simplified style that loses some moves in exchange for making bread and butter moves stronger, as well as having 3 slots for arts that charge faster than normal
Adept, a style focused on timing dodges or blocks with perfect precision to trigger special counterattacks. Only one arts slot. Also one of my favorites.
Aerial, a style that changes your dodge roll into a clunkier front flip that, upon contact with a monster, sends you flying into the air, so you can do aerial attacks without a ledge. One arts slot. Kind of gimmicky. Rather fun for some weapons regardless.

the 2 styles introduced in the master rank expansion were
Valor style, a style where sheathing your weapon is much slower, but puts you in a state where you can negate the brunt of most attacks from the front, as well as use special sheathing attacks that charge a gauge that, when full, significantly changes how the weapon works (1 slot)

Alchemy style, a style focused on support, and a weird-ass alchemy barrel that charges over time that lets you craft temporary items on the fly to buff yourself and allies?

...I'll be honest, I don't know much about alchemy style because unless you're hunting with a bunch of friends and just want to do something goofy, usually people just use one of the styles focused on like... dealing damage.

[bleak halo]

I’m not surprised yeah

These all sound fun though knowing me I’d probably stick to using like one of them for the whole game

[full sage]

the "meta" styles for each weapon tended to vary, though usually it varied between guild, striker, or valor, sometimes adept.

[brisk dirge]

Guild style is almost always solid

I think for a few weapons Striker or Adept were arguably just better

[bleak halo]

I imagine adept is good with gunlance, lance, and charge blade

[full sage]

yeah, lancer users basically only used striker

[bleak halo]

Huh, weird
You’d think the weapons focused on guarding would like the one that rewards perfect guarding

[full sage]

I believe charge blade users did as well

most of the adept users care about perfect dodging

[brisk dirge]

I do also think the popularity of Adept style was what led to the increase in counter type abilities we're seeing in Worlds and onwards

[full sage]

striker tended to numerically buff a staple part of the kit, and also let you use more arts so it wasn't necessarily just "a simpler style"

[hollow comet]

:O

[full sage]

Meanwhile, risebreak uses Switch Skills and silkbind arts, which use wirebugs
Wirebugs are... bugs that you keep with you as helpers. Some of your powerful moves use them, causing them to temporarily be unavailable until they recover, as does your wirefall recovery move, with cooldowns being based on the move you use
Switch skills give you options between certain moves on the weapon you are using. Some just toggle between 2 alternate moves or mechanics, some change up which silkbinds you use

Eventually, you unlock the ability to have 2 loadouts you can swap between on the fly. this was added in sunbreak, so I don't know if you get access to it before master rank, because uh.
i finished rise before sunbreak came out, so I don't know off the top of my head

[brisk dirge]

you get the moveset switch when you start Sunbreak I believe

and a lot of the switch skills also need to be unlocked first

[full sage]

I think, generally speaking, even if I've spent more time playing Gen/GU and still hold it as my favorite, that most people would prefer Rise/Sunbreak?
So my default recommendation is
...buy GU literally right now it's on sale for 10 dollars what the hell

...well, usually, I'd "recommend sunbreak, but also keep an eye out for sales on gu because as an older game it goes on sale for very steep price drops"

...actually sunbreak is also on sale, huh

[bleak halo]

Yeh

That’s why I was asking between the two

[hollow comet]

the monster hunter..

[bleak halo]

It’s like $10 for GU, $10 for Rise, $20 for Risebreak

[hollow comet]

gonna be taking a break from smackin monsties for a week or so, hopefully when I get back I can beat velkhana

[hollow comet]

ooh dang

[full sage]

like I absolutely think GU is worth playing still, but it is the game that's more likely to have fivers bounce off of it

[bleak halo]

(The sales are also on pc but I’m more interested in having a mh game on switch)

[full sage]

like, that's not a comment on people who started with world as it is a comment about how clunky the experience can be at times

but i think more people deserve to experience GU glavenus and ||ahtal-ka||, the final story boss of g rank...

[zenith sedge]

I definitely recommend GU, I think it's probably my second favorite Monster Hunter game (first favorite is still 3U)

[full sage]

...also also, GU was before they made key quests entirely obvious, so you'd probably need to play with a guide open

[bleak halo]

||Wait monster hunter had giant insect monsters? What the hell capcom why doesn’t world have these||

[full sage]

she's still my favorite of the final story bosses in terms of both aesthetics, gameplay, and armor set skill design...

[zenith sedge]

Ooh yeah, guides are always helpful. Since I'm playing the untranslated 3DS version I find guides to be helpful for that too. Gonna translate it eventually but yeah, still a great game

[zenith sedge]

Same here, absolutely a magnificent monster, I remember being blown away when I first saw her.

[bleak halo]

||She has a giant mech form!?||

[zenith sedge]

Yep! ||Ahtal-Neset|| if I remember right

[hollow comet]

:O

[bleak halo]

||So why are we hunting her? I mean it's monster hunter so she's probably directly responsible for an impending ecological collapse or something but how could we let something this cool die?||

[full sage]

That ||mech|| was made out of someone's ||castle|| that she just kind of
stole

to be fair, I also think the final title update for sunbreak's final elder dragon was also an extremely cool and fun fight but like

She's right there

Like, part of that ecology is in contrast with the final story boss of High Rank for GU, a skeleton dragon that uses bones from other monsters for special attacks using those monsters' elements and gimmicks ||it isnt' actually a skeleton dragon. it... is an elder dragon, but that's just wastebin taxon stuff||

So ||ahtal-ka|| used to use stuff in the natural environment to make a nest like that, but eventually as humanity developed, switched to that

She ||throws rusted dragonators at you!||

[outer heron]

unfortunately they couldn't get the skeletons to work great with world's geometry

but wilds did!

leviathans, temnocerans, amphibians, and more!

[bleak halo]

Question: does monster hunter rise have insect monsters?

[zenith sedge]

It had a couple Temnocerans (Rakna-Kadaki and subspecies, as well as the baby forms), but no large Neopterons

[outer heron]

i want a new scorpion monster in wilds

[bleak halo]

I see, I see

[outer heron]

or, shit

[bleak halo]

So rise has spiders but not insects

[outer heron]

not even new

i want

akura vashimu

with like...a non-frontier name

because frontier names are all extremely obviously from frontier

as opposed to mainline monhun

[zenith sedge]

God yeah, scorpions would fit so well in either region we've seen so far (since IRL there are scorps in both deserty areas and in tropical forests)

[outer heron]

yep!

it would fucking rule

[zenith sedge]

Or hell, a pseudoscorpion monster would be really cool as well, especially since I don't know if I've ever seen a media representation of them (they look like tiny tailless scorpions for those who don't know of them)

They inject venom through their pincers!

[outer heron]

okay but the tail is the coolest part

i don't want a tailless scorpion

[zenith sedge]

Definitely get that. Now I'm imagining a pseudoscorpion small monster that grabs onto large monsters to travel to new areas (real behavior of pseudoscorpions)

[full sage]

the lingering hopes of "wait, if we're getting kutku, is konchu also coming back"?

[zenith sedge]

God Konchu are so cool looking

[bleak halo]

CW: pesudoscorpion
Ooh, that's very cool 👀

[zenith sedge]

They sure are! For this hypothetical pseudoscorpion monster, small monster would probably be the most fitting category for the kinds of behavior I'd like to see most. Could even be endemic life, since having a (comparatively) massive pseudoscorpion as a room pet would certainly be cool

[full sage]

while on the subject of these sorts of monsters and "things in GU", I feel obligated to bring up

[zenith sedge]

God yeah I miss these two

Seltas Queen is easily one of the coolest looking monsters to me and its ecology is also really cool

Something based on the ambush bug would also be neat, they're boxy-looking assassin bugs with raptorial forelimbs for those who don't know. Easily one of my favorite insects so I'm probably biased

Or something with wings based on that of the plume moths, very bizarre looking

[final hedge]

I'd recommend rise, it's much easier to pick up and enjoy without having to deal with the significant clunkiness of old-style monster hunter or the fact that GU is a 3DS game rather than designed for switch

GU has plenty of neat monsters but so does rise, and it has a combat style that leans towards character action if that's your thing

it feels very nice and fluid to play

[brave hazel]

Don't sleep on Rise palicos

The bombers are insanely good

They have this one move called Mega Barrel Bombay that straight up will stagger anyone out of goddamn near anything

I've seen it stagger several monsters out of nuke attacks

[brave hazel]

DRG players' wet dream

So many mushrums to ping

[brave hazel]

...huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIyKor99NW0

[bleak halo]

I'm surprised zinogre was actually visible in the cutscene

[brave hazel]

...fucking hate how hyperaggresive everything is in Rise

Try to do anything and some fucker from the other side of the map comes barreling in wanting to kill you

[final hedge]

you can dung pod em

the monsters which aren't the quest objective also have a much lower wyvern ride threshold so you can do a couple silkbind moves on em and ride em around

[brave hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-gif-26333972

[tiny wind]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-from-peak-fiction-dies-from-peak-fiction-gif-8241362855452869649

[stuck needle]

huh. Does anyone know why they removed some of the event armors from Iceborne? Artemis, etc. (granted, I'm on PC, so if I really care there's always cheat mod)

[naive elk]

You mean accessibility for them?

Limited time events

[stuck needle]

huh. feels weird when most collaboration quests are kind of indefinite

[bleak halo]

Looking it up it seems like it might’ve been a rights thing? But who really knows

[brave hazel]

Eyyyyyyyyyyyyy I got another level of Bloodlust on my armor

Just need one more now

[bleak halo]

Playing MHGU, early thoughts:
Lance’s guard counter is a lot slower than I’m used to, also feels weird not to be able to use it after the third thrust in a combo
Potions being a very fast heal in exchange for a long recovery animation is pretty cool

Also oh god is this gonna screw with my muscle memory when I switch between it and world

[winged crest]

yeah i remember middle school

[stuck needle]

wow does the Witcher quest honk. I'm absolutely too rusty to finish it, and it's too much busy work for me to use it as practice. the free attack deco can kick rocks

[halcyon fractal]

it's better to stick to expert jewels. You'll get better value out of them in IB

[brave hazel]

Attack jewels fall off hard

[stuck needle]

I figured the jewels would get outclassed, but that's really good to know. thanks!
(now I just have to hope scrubbing out of the quest gets rid of the permanent "talk to Geralt!!" notification, or else I'm going to have to look up a mod to clear that.)

[brave hazel]

Fully kitted out in the Bagel Goose Drip

[halcyon fractal]

NICE

love the bazel LS

I used the Seething one in Worldborne before I got the Raging Brachy one

I used it with this JRPG ass fit

[brave hazel]

Bro lookin like the side character whose personality boils down to Plucky and Cheerful

[halcyon fractal]

😔

I look like that character who's the Optimist who hasn't recieved an ounce of traumatic character development

Well

Only one way to fix that

[spring lily]

Huh, apparently wilds ||Rey Dau and Uth Duna|| have unique themes

I wasn't sure at first but I triple checked

[candid perch]

I would hope flagship monsters would have their own themes

[halcyon fractal]

but poor rathalos doesn't have one 😔

[candid perch]

Rathalos used to have a theme, no?

[halcyon fractal]

It did, but then it got shifted into the plains theme

i think

like its theme got downgraded to a locale theme

[candid perch]

Last I heard it, it was part of Fatalis's world theme

[halcyon fractal]

and it never had anything unique ever since

[halcyon fractal]

oh that too

[candid perch]

I think that's the latest use of it though

[halcyon fractal]

at least the theme he's most associated with is also used in Dragon God's

[quick lynx]

Fought nergigante finally and got my ass kicked but my god does that theme slap

[final hedge]

I love him so much

I hope he's in wilds

[stuck needle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1frcysc/an_interview_with_the_main_developers_of_mhws/

Interviewer: Although we can carry two different weapons, the equipment on our character seems to only fit one of them. Won’t this affect the usage rate of the other weapon?

Yuya Tokuda: For this, we’ve made adjustments so that attack-related skills are equipped directly on the weapons. When you switch weapons, the skills equipped on that weapon will automatically activate. Additionally, you can adjust your skill combination with accessories to make it so that when switching weapons, the equipment will adjust to the other weapon type as well.
🤔

[mystic cape]

Sounds like some part of the charm or deco system can be applied to one weapon or the other

[balmy swan]

I'm glad they're thinking about it

[final hedge]

oh interesting

are there limitations on which two weapons you can have or can it be anything

[balmy swan]

Any combo, including two of the same weapon type, from what I've heard

[brave hazel]

Oho, fun

Now I can have TWO hunting horns

DOUBLE THE BUFFS BAYBEEEEEEE

[final hedge]

oh do we know any details about horns

are song combos back like in world or is it the simplified system from rise

[balmy swan]

There's a short weapon trailer for them

[final hedge]

yeah but it doesn't really make it clear

there's presumably reports from people having played it at gamescom

[brisk dirge]

it's back to the Worlds like system

[final hedge]

fucking poggers

[brisk dirge]

with a few new tricks

[final hedge]

I can't wait to play more world-style horn

it's so good

[bleak halo]

Bringing along two of the exact same weapon so I don't have to sharpen it

[final hedge]

there's a real level of 5D chess and planning that I enjoy enormously about it

[final hedge]

gunlance mains:

[bleak halo]

...why does crafting items have a chance to fail

[balmy swan]

Kind of want to see how exploitable bringing a sleep LBG and then swapping to GS for the wakeup is

[brisk dirge]

you need to get the crafting combo books

[balmy swan]

Same reason pickaxes and bug nets are breakable: fuck you, that's why

[brisk dirge]

they increase your crafting chance while in inventory

[bleak halo]

[balmy swan]

definitely grateful for some of the QoL changes in world and rise

[brave hazel]

That just sounds like tedium that everyone is better off without

[full sage]

there's an extremely funny quirk of that system where the meta hunter art pick for valor HBG, an extremely high damage, high risk high reward option is...
mass combiner
the thing that makes crafting better

[bleak halo]

Pfft

[balmy swan]

Gotta get that ammo

[brisk dirge]

bowguns do need to re-craft a lot of ammo, so that makes sense

[bleak halo]

...wait does that mean crafting ammo also has a chance to fail?

[full sage]

(it's because valor HBG dumps so much ammo so quickly that you absolutely need it)

[brisk dirge]

yes

for the more advanced types

[bleak halo]

Why

[brisk dirge]

to make you carry the books

and also make it less reliable

[balmy swan]

.

[brave hazel]

Video game design used to be significantly more sadistic for... reasons

[stuck needle]

wait, did the generations where recipes needed books and monsters could steal items overlap? and could monsters steal your crafting books?

[brisk dirge]

yes, and yes IIRC

[bleak halo]

Monsters can steal items?

[balmy swan]

Annoying yet hilarious

[full sage]

most of the time you'd be crafting out of hunts and keeping your books in the chest at home anyways

it's just gunners really that need to craft on the fly

[brisk dirge]

yeah you usually don't craft during a hunt much

[bleak halo]

Thank god the only gun I use is welded to the end of a giant stick

[brave hazel]

Very few can, it's not like a deviljho will swipe your stuff

[full sage]

I know monster stealing can't swipe things like power/armor talons, so I think it can only grab consumables?

but I'm not certain because only like 2 large monsters do it

[brisk dirge]

it's Chameleos, and I think Gypceros?

maybe one or two others

[bleak halo]

Sounds like a fun gimmick then

[brave hazel]

It's not

[bleak halo]

Speaking of GU, aerial style gunlance sounds really fun
Why yes game I would like to be able to full burst whenever I want to just by dodging into a monster

[stuck needle]

god, I hope they don't bring back gypceros. or if they do, they better change the name.

[brave hazel]

's wrong with it?

[final hedge]

think of the things that could be accomplished with multiple hunters

[stuck needle]

while not universal, most Romani consider "gypsy" a slur, so having a monster who's defined by how they steal all you shit being named for it...

[quick lynx]

I did not make that connection but that is absolutely fair

[balmy swan]

Yeah it's... not great

[brave hazel]

...ah

Yeah, that's

Not great

[final hedge]

what's you guys' top pick for a monster you'd like to see return in wilds

[main turret]

Gammoth

[quick lynx]

Gammoth sweep

[final hedge]

because I have a deep and abiding love for nergigante and I want to see his little pink tummy again

[main turret]

There are no wyverns, only Gammoth

Also Nerscylla, but she might be a little bit too fast for World-style combat (full disclosure: I've never played World)

[final hedge]

"this monster is too fast", you lament, as I switch to my insect glaive and pinball off into the distance

[main turret]

I only lament it when they dodge my SAED

[final hedge]

it is time for me to do some charge blade in rise I think

I did a decent amount in iceborne

[stuck needle]

I have a weird soft spot for Rakna-kadaki. I doubt we'll see her again, but I'm excited to see more arthropods.

[main turret]

Me too, but I'm also just a general sucker for "BEEG Spider" monsters

[balmy swan]

I didn't do much CB in rise but I do like the silkbind move that blocks while filling your phials

[main turret]

It's clutch. My favorite will always be Axe Hopper though just because D U N K

[final hedge]

rakna is a pretty fun and unique fight yeah

I feel like axe hopper simplifies things a bit too much

charge blade to me should be complicated

[main turret]

Yeah, and honestly I get more mileage out of the super block anyways

[brave hazel]

Zorah

[outer heron]

i only want zorah if we never have to do its "fight"

[final hedge]

I would be satisfied with zorah if and only if it's an arena rather than a monster fight

like the bit where you fight nergigante on its back, or the little arenas for safi or alatreon

[outer heron]

yeah that

that would rule

[stuck needle]

zorah escort quest where you're beating up monsters on its back

[final hedge]

I personally don't want zorah back, not because that wouldn't be cool, but because I wanna see what awesome new stuff they come up with

I think zorah returning immediately would be a bit cheap

[outer heron]

i can also agree with that happily

[final hedge]

considering it was a huge like once in a thousand years ecological event in world

[spring lily]

I want uhhh

Legiana or Lunagaron

[stuck needle]

does anyone know a way to get MHW to not give me the "talk to geralt" pop-up? (other than doing the quest) mods and cheats are on the table as long as they won't break my game

[final hedge]

the only way I know of is to just do it, I personally had the deviljho quest pop-up show every time I loaded in to the hub for like an irl year and just ignored it

[brave hazel]

The quest is a pain in the ass but you get a cool sword and shield out of it

Instead of a shield you have the Aard and Quen Witcher Signs

Which is insanely fucking badass

[final hedge]

yeah honestly just keep trying, it's not too terrible

[brave hazel]

You also get to cast Igni as a gesture

...it... fucking sucks, but like

You can shoot fire now

[brave hazel]

It's mostly just the fact that the gear for it is... really fucking bad, mostly

[final hedge]

it definitely sucks to do

but it's a surmountable problem

[brave hazel]

Aye

You can actually rescue a Pukei Pukei and it'll give ya backup

Though you have to keep it alive for that free attack jewel

...man

I wanna fight Ancient Leshen now

[stuck needle]

It's mostly that I'm trying to get back into MHW after a long break, and it's a completely miserable slog with my skills as rusty as they are

[brave hazel]

Agh

Yeah, you should probably go off and beat the shit out of the training post a while until you've scraped the rust off

[stuck needle]

I did it once upon a time, but lost my save data, and I'd really rather play the parts of the game I like while I try to get my skills back

[final hedge]

ignore the notif for a while

[stuck needle]

If I gotta I gotta, but it's the kind of thing that really bugs me, so I figured I'd check in case there was a completion flag I could set with cheat engine or something.

[brave hazel]

Man

I wish the Magalas had been given more story spotlight in Rise

Not even "Maybe they're why shit's fucked??? Idk man, go investigate." but like

"Oh god FUCKING dammit there's a Shagaru Magala on top of all this bullshit we've had to put up with, go deal with it so we can keep trying to figure out what the fuck is happening with these Quiro."

[void narwhal]

Yeah they sort of relegated it to a Normal-Ish encounter, I enjoy fighting 'em but kind of makes their whole deal a bit less special

is this not a second cataclysmic ecological problem

[brave hazel]

Yeah, like

Shagaru's whole deal is that its very continued existence is a threat to literally fucking everything

[bleak halo]

…huh, just learned g rank in mhgu is scaled assuming you are playing multiplayer

Well that’s gonna be interesting

[full sage]

yeah, that's the difference between "hub" and "village" quests back then

[bleak halo]

Okay so if I need to gather resources I need to start a quest first, alright then. I feel like half of my experience so far has been trying to get used to how pre world monster hunter games work and it's very strange
That said I finally killed my first monster so hopefully I can start doing more of that now

[full sage]

that's what the harvest tour quests are for, yeah.

[bleak halo]

God does valor gunlance look fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S97ROAvWgVk

[full sage]

valor styles in general get Funky, to differing degrees of effectiveness

for example, dual blades gives up demon mode entirely, in exchange for... running with your weapons drawn?
again, this was back before demon mode increased running speed in general.

...ah, but if you entered valor state, you effectively get Archdemon mode.

...oh, also, that run has an invincible guard point on start-up that sharpens your weapon while in valor state.

[brave hazel]

Holy shit

[full sage]

hammer changes the charge attacks to a combo, so rather than one single kind of charged attack, you get a weaker attack that's a little faster to charge...
but if you start charging again immediately, you get a a stronger attack
and then a final really strong level

this was before hammer had the big bang combos, by the way.

...funnily enough, this would live on in risebreak, as the Charge Switch: Courage switch skill.

long sword gets a guard point on the first hit of the spirit attacks.
you can use this from standing or in a combo.
it's very snappy and fun to use.
(long sword didn't have the sheathing counter or the foresight slash yet)

[crude kayak]

Oh ye, valor gunlance is fun.

Is what I was mostly running in gu

[bleak halo]

Sorry, a guard point on spirit slash 1?

[full sage]

"valor spirit slash I" yeah.
the move that comes out the first time you hit R while in Valor state.

https://fxtwitter.com/LegendCallerL/status/1105337156506021888

[bleak halo]

Side note: using long sword without foresight slash feels weird, but foresight slash is ludicrously powerful to the point that I'm retroactively shocked they actually added it to the game

[full sage]

something something back in my day we just had fade slash to reposition and dodge manually and we liked it

oh, I remember the kushala hbg came up for being really cool looking a while back

https://youtu.be/q56E0vNgJz0

...It's a pretty good example of what I was talking about when it comes to valor hbg being nutty.

[bleak halo]

What the fuck was that

The only time they stopped shooting was to make more ammo

[full sage]

notably, the Running and Sliding going on in that video isn't like, a default thing you can just do with HBG in that game, you're usually much slower, that's a Valor style thing.

[bleak halo]

I figured yeah

Valor seems kinda incredible

[full sage]

well, adept gets the power run too.

for a few weapons, valor just kind of blows the other styles out of the water, but it's not every weapon that prefers it

guild and striker have a lot of hits, some weapons have adept as particularly handy

[bleak halo]

What's guild good on?

[full sage]

hammer and hunting horn are notably "guild is probably best" but it's second best for a lot of weapons

also of note "striker" having a "reduced moveset in exchange for power in some areas and 3 art slots" also takes up a large chunk of the weapon style meta

so it's not like "every weapon goes all in on one of the gimmick styles"

off the top of my head, lance, charge blade, switch axe, and sword and shield all like striker style, for example

...dual blades is also in a weird spot where striker is probably the strongest, but also you have to be constantly chugging mega dash juice and constantly spamming demon dance in demon mode, so you also have to be really good at hunting that specific monster.
...it just removes the demon gauge entirely and makes your demon mode/demon dances stronger, so you just go all in on that, basically.
adept is just like... literally unkillable if you are good at stamina management/are addicted to dash juice
valor is also really fun and good, just need to get used to not having a demon mode.

...dash juice in GU does give you true infinite stamina, for context.

but you in general, you can't go wrong with guild style for almost every weapon, even if one of the other styles is more popular

...except lance, I've been told by my source on all things lance that you just take striker lance and call it a day.

they did something weird to the triple poke on all other styles that make it different from basically any other monster hunter game, except on striker style, and also striker style has an incredibly broken downed monster combo consisting of spamming charge finishers, and also basically every lance hunter art is Pretty Good, so like...

yeah.

[bleak halo]

📝 👀

I've noticed striker lance seems to be more focused on all offense all the time and using hunter arts to evade attacks instead of using the shield, which is certainly interesting

[bleak halo]

I love how all of the TAs use a small barrel bomb to explode themselves out of the last item use animation, that's a fun optimization

[full sage]

the shield is still plenty useable against a lot of attacks, even if the absolute evasion arts are really good
just a matter of "how efficient it is to guard this attack"
since, there's only guard+1 and guard+2 in this game, and skills are a lot more sparse in general, not nearly as much gradation as post world

...you could kind of argue that having a shield makes constant offense all the time more viable since you can Just Keep Poking The Monster at all times, and just guard when it would hit you, basically.

[brave hazel]

...god fucking dammit why are so many MonHun soundtrack rips uploaded by some fuckass with a pedo name

[crude kayak]

what

[winged crest]

what

[spring lily]

Sometimes I remember that the MH4 opening theme was played at the Olympics

The 2020 tokyo Olympics

[winged crest]

Hold that thought I want to know about that rip uploader

[stuck needle]

good news: I'm having a much better time in early Iceborne (Banbaro fight was smooooth)
bad news: I'm at work when I want to be thinking about Iceborne

looking at other weapons to dip into: are there any weapons that are actually not viable without decorations/extremely specific armor skills, or is that speed runner nonsense? I had a lot of fun with Bow in Rise, but I can't tell if it's actually bad until you get MR critical element, or if people are just fussy.

Also: if I want to give bowgun another shot, would light or heavy be better with garbage decorations?

[outer heron]

that's not speedrunner nonsense, i don't know a single speedrunner that claims a weapon is unviable without specific skills

that's reddit nonsense

i will say that certain bowgun archetypes (stickies, namely) are fucking rancid obnoxious without true spare shot

[stuck needle]

(good point. god I wish it was easier to find discussion that wasn't reddit...)

[outer heron]

but every weapon is playable

[stuck needle]

are we defining playable as "can complete hunts in roughly the same time at the same level of gear" or "can complete all hunts within the time limit"?

[outer heron]

can complete hunts within the time limit

lance is always going to be slower than anything else

at least in world

because lance is the slow and safe weapon

and weapon dps just generally differs some

weapon isn't a massive factor, though

it's more player skill and level of gear

[stuck needle]

ah, okay. but even lance isn't barely ekeing out wins. I did my first world playthrough maining lance and I never felt egregiously slow.
(so: thanks, that makes me much more inclined to try dabbling)

[brisk dirge]

You can do fine still, but Bow is definitely more deco dependent

[brave hazel]

Keep running into some fuckhead named L*li Kaiser when I go looking for MonHun OST rips

[desert light]

It's worht rembering that even teh optimizer stuff - Monster Hunter Meta, emaphsis that their sets are built with the asusmption of solo play and as much damage as possible

They're a fantastic starting point

but i always sacrified a damage skill or two to get some comfort on (usually evade window +5)

If it's something like MR Crit Element, it'll be a case of "YOu see a very, very dramtic peromance spike when you have this"

In Iceborne particurly, 100% Crit is very easy to achive

such taht the core of a lot of builds tended to be WEX 3/Crit boost 3/<Fill out the other 50% crtit somehow>

USualyl via the get obnuses if mosnter enraged skill

[brisk dirge]

Agitator is pretty good yeah

[bleak halo]

[desert light]

It's ridic in Iceborne because you can keep monsters permantly enraged via wallbangs

[balmy swan]

i've got a vaccine headache so i'm sprawled out on the couch playing World

i guess at some point i became the sort of person who plays MH to relax

[final hedge]

the skills you need for bow are con and stamina surge, everything else is gravy

[weak gulch]

Stun Resistance is majorly helpful to have in MH World (I've got Stun Reistance Lv2 at the least in Iceborne). MH World made it a lot harder/less effective to break out of stun early by mashing/stick wiggling for some reason.

[brave hazel]

Stun resist is practically mandatory unless you're good enough to not get hit

[full sage]

simply only fight things so deadly that if you get hit repeatedly to the point where you'd be stunned, you've already been carted, regardless of defense stat

[brave hazel]

Big brain move

Don't wear armor at all, just cart before you stun

[brave hazel]

...god I fucking hate somnacanths

Try to do anything and they just zip all the fuck everywhere

[brave hazel]

Unrelated, is Kamura's legacy worth using?

Damage seems kinda shit but 40% affinity, a level 3 slot, and a decent amount of white sharpness is enticing

[bleak halo]

So um. Apparently there’s a bunch of dlc item sets and stuff you can download for free for GU and uh.

Yeah I don’t think I’m going to need to worry about money even a single time in this entire game

[brave hazel]

It'll run out fast

[brave hazel]

Y'know what would've been neat

If Nergigante showed up in the Behemoth fight in World

Behemoth's doing its own thing being a piece of shit when all of a sudden

https://tenor.com/view/boom-clawed-nergigante-mhw-dragon-gif-15789875

[hollow comet]

yeahhh it was the same for rise

[bleak halo]

I’m always in favor of nergigante getting to fuck up more elder dragons/monsters from another world

[hollow comet]

can't wait to smack some monstiessss this weekend

new rose pfp :O

[bleak halo]

Yeh, I’ve wanted to change it for a bit and decided I might as well now that it’s spooky month

[balmy swan]

i've also brought out a new spooky month pfp. tis the season

got past Black Diablos and Nergigante today. Nergigante took three tries but i had it together by the third

my Deviljho swaxe/Handicraft/Protective Polish build quit itself well

[hollow comet]

heck yea

[mystic cape]

https://youtu.be/X3hrSxLSVsI?si=MszFIo7ai59qEymj

[vocal haven]

didn't they specifically say now new weapon already

[quick lynx]

I will keep dreaming for tonfa,,,, even if it’s not happening,,,

[stuck needle]

they've said repeatedly that there's no 15th weapon in Wilds. A recent interview mentioned that they're always discussing the possibility (read: but didn't see a window for a new weapon in Wilds)

[brave hazel]

Yeah it doesn't seem likely

Be nice to have one of the old classics back but the current roster is good

[mystic cape]

I still think a bo staff for a faster hitting stun weapon could be a good addition

Could to the inverse of the IG movement where it can push around the ground but not go airborne

So swift swings instead of spinning slashes

[bleak halo]

Insect glaive but you deal KO damage and you don’t have a cute pet

[stuck needle]

insect glaive but it's a stick bug you hit people with

[final hedge]

and the big finisher move is stick bugging the monster

[bleak halo]

New favorite weapon in mhgu: valor greatsword
Being able to do a level 3 charge in like a second from an unsheath is really fun

(Why is valor so much fun on basically everything)

[brave hazel]

...you know what would've been fucking incredible

If Nergigante showed up during the Gaismagorm fight

His whole thing is killing shit that's going to ruin the ecosystem, and what is Gais but a walking ecological disaster?

[outer heron]

nergi's a new world monster though

rise is in the old world

[bleak halo]

This game is so much fun once it lets you actually fight monsters

[brave hazel]

If we can have Velkhana in Rise, Nerg isn't much further of a stretch

[brave hazel]

Honestly, I don't get why so many of those old games had a fucktillion "go collect X" quests to start

I'm here to hunt monsters, not fucking collect wyvern eggs so some shithead can make an omelette for 40

[bleak halo]

Thinking about it, the new world having an elder dragon whose entire ecological niche seems to be killing monsters of mass destruction makes sense, that’s usually a hunter’s job and there aren’t any of them in the new world

[brave hazel]

Aye, true

Given they seem... distressingly common in the realm of Monster Hunter

[bleak halo]

There’s a non-zero chance this was explicitly pointed out and I’ve just completely forgotten that

[quick lynx]

WHAT

fuck chargeblade i'm switching weapons

[bleak halo]

Yeah after you get the valor gauge filled you can hold x to charge up your draw attack for a lot of damage

[bleak halo]

Technically quests like that are also in world, but they’re usually delivery stuff so you can just get them while doing other things

[final hedge]

the gang

[halcyon fractal]

gang gang

[brave hazel]

Tha big iron...

[final hedge]

I love my big iron :)

[balmy swan]

Everyone needs a good boomstick

[brave hazel]

Kindred in big iron

I love how my fit looks like he just got back from a vacation to Alkenstar lmao

[final hedge]

good drip

[brisk dirge]

that is a pretty great outfit

[brave hazel]

Goddamn, that's a good looking coat

[mystic cape]

https://youtu.be/WCuvMUU4fH4?si=aQF2CZtrLVLIImYb

[brave hazel]

Aren't I a proper fancy lookin knight

[hollow comet]

yes

alright time to take down velkhana

then maybe work on dango quest

s

[hollow comet]

ezpz

dang i need 4 more hardclaws

2/6

😔

i wish i could easily search what hbgs use piercing fire ammo

nvm the wiki does have it

uhh

this might not have been updated for rise

dang it

[final hedge]

you can look up rise hbg elemental pierce on yt

I've been playing with my friends, who are in low and high rank, but I think I should probably try and do amatsu for access to the talismans

[hollow comet]

ooh yeah i found a vid

need to kill orange bishaten...

oh does amatsu unlock some content?

i have it as my urgent quest

[final hedge]

same

maybe we should go do it together

you're on pc right

[hollow comet]

ya

just finishing up a velkhana