Monster Hunter

[desert light]

While in Iceborne it's blending in a lot more stuff

Interesting, i think the original version zin is a lot more intense!

[halcyon fractal]

Maybe its because of all the instruments

¯_(ツ)_/¯

heck if i know

[desert light]

I mean, how dare you have differing tastes to me

you monster.

[halcyon fractal]

😔 i will be hunted

[desert light]

Nah, that just happens in Elden Ring

[halcyon fractal]

I mean, if I'm a monster, then I gotta be hunted

since y'know

monster hunter

[desert light]

Yes, but pvp in monster hunteri s a terrible idea

THEREFORE

😛

[halcyon fractal]

😔

the only PVP that exists is the constant tripping from LS mains

[desert light]

Put On flinch free

or simply be greatsword/dual blades

Greatsword eps\

if they starty tripping

you simply XY them

then you point and laugh

Bullying longsdword mains is a moral good

[halcyon fractal]

🤔

[desert light]

(XY triggers the upwards cut that launcches other players)

And if you aim it right, you can constnatly juggle a 3rd player gbetween two players

[halcyon fractal]

oooh

[vocal haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4PINjUTZtU

might be my fav mhw theme

crimson glow valstrax theme also fucks

[halcyon fractal]

oh hell yeah it does

Valstrax...

also am I alone in thinking that Glavenus's 5th gen theme is not as good as his 4th gen theme?

[vocal haven]

the theme that i will never forget tho is tri lagi theme

its seared into my brain

i dont think its the best, but i feel the most nostalgic for me

[snow helm]

Any time MonHun music comes up I am obligated to bring up Shara's theme

https://youtu.be/CFQj0sATr3o?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/Ux-2GePeZE8?feature=shared

The full medley has some great moments in it too, I love the horror strings in the first form and the camp themes

[vocal haven]

I honestly kinda wish more monster theme are less generically orchestral tho

[tiny wind]

I need a good shotgun gameplay for rise. Should i go bow, HBG or LBG ?

[outer heron]

cqc coating bow is pretty archetypically shotgunny

as is spread bowgun, though I don't know which in rise is better

[stuck needle]

Iirc rise meta was based around rapid? Piercing lbg, but a) don't quote me on that and b) I don't know whether that means spread was bad. Bow was a hell of a lot of fun, though, that I do know

[tiny wind]

I mean for HBG golm is good for shotgun but it kinda does only that... I'll try bow and it doesn't really seem to be any good spread lbg

[queen jewel]

Bow looks sick in wilds

[outer heron]

it does

[wicked citrus]

So far it looks like every weapon main be eating good in Wilds.

My baby gunlance has never looked more fire.

[outer heron]

I'm mcfucking losing it

on those gunlance and charge blade showcases

[brave hazel]

Ditto

I am HYPED

HYPED I TELL YOU

My baby boy Charge Blade is looking SO FUCKING GOOD

[solemn jay]

it's dope, I'm really struggling to pick between HH and CB

I have a tinfoil hat theory that Lance is last because of major rework (copium)

[stuck needle]

Lance is somehow reworked into a gunner weapon

[frank epoch]

Gunlance...2!

[mystic cape]

Lance becomes a drill by default and you can hold attacks to grind into enemies

[stuck needle]

Lance becomes the only felyne weapon. anyone can us it, you just turn into a cat

[mystic cape]

Taking a second look at the Bow trailer, it almost looks like the Power Coating is applied in a max number of stacks, making me wonder if it regens over time or if the cap to how many you can have at once is 8 (and then you'd need to craft more).

[stuck needle]

I did think 8 coatings was a weirdly low number to show in the trailer

[mystic cape]

Plus if you look at the reticle it gains 8 phials that empty as the hunter fires shots

I doubt they'd made a UI element like that variable

[stuck needle]

I could see that working. Avoids the early game problem of being too poor to afford extra coatings, and the late game problem of ignoring half of the coatings on your bow (since you'd have to kind of cycle through them on rotation)

[mystic cape]

Also adds more weight to bows that have certain status coatings in their roster

Could also partially apply to bowguns for certain ammo types, in addition to the ammo meter and the charges like the LBG mines

[winged crest]

YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

What if tomorrow they just drop the highlight for a new weapon like it isn't even new

[teal halo]

it will be the lance why would they save the least complex weapon for last

[halcyon fractal]

https://vxtwitter.com/SappleMyrup/status/1824208704469864623?t=k_C80yth7rq7MNZpgxWhGA&s=19

[mystic cape]

I'd bet they'd do it last to really catch us by surprise

[brave hazel]

Is Rise any good?

I hear it's a bit of a letdown after World

[gentle knoll]

nope, just differently made

if world is your only reference point to monhun, "merely differently made" might be a bigger deal tho

[stuck needle]

it feels like a switch game, because it is. the looks is different, maps are smaller, etc. and, like a lot of switch games, it's a lot of fun

[rich valve]

i liked rise

[halcyon fractal]

same here!

its a pretty fun game, all things considered

[frank epoch]

I'd have probably liked Rise more if I vibed more with its take on hunting horn. I also didn't really like rampages

I know plenty of people that like it and Sunbreak, but I do prefer World and Iceborne

||MHGU the goat tho||

[stuck needle]

yeah, rampages were a miss for me as well. they're at least tolerable with friends on a voice call, once you figure out how to get things rolling, but grinding them was never as fun as a regular hunt

[teal halo]

worldborne was what i started with but i have played genult

i will always love world

[halcyon fractal]

GenUlt, as much as I love it, is just... well

they weren't kidding about Worldborne having a lot more QoL

[brave hazel]

World was my starter too, and so far the only MonHun I've played

[desert light]

It's not, just different. The best way i've seen it expressed is World is much more simulationist, Rise is much more arcadey.

Rise is a lot faster paced, a klot more bonkers with the movement and all the swithc skills and silk binds

[brave hazel]

I see

I'll definitely give it a shot then

[real zodiac]

Rise is not as ecological and is faster paced

[halcyon fractal]

^^^

it is, for lack of better words, more anime

[teal halo]

it seems wilds is gonna be a good mix of both

[weak gulch]

Rise effectively comes after MHGU/MHXX, made by the portable team

[wicked citrus]

Rise is more or less similar to how older MonHun games ran. Just yoinking a few quality of life changes from World and Iceborne.

Also it being faster paced.

I miss the "Flex after eating." Animations tho.

They should make that a setting in Wilds xD

Label the option as
Eating Style: [Dine & Dash] or [Feast & Flex]

[halcyon fractal]

🤔

that'd be funny

[winged crest]

That's why I think it'd be funny to just drop it now or tomorrow instead

Lance mains waiting eagerly for the final video and then bam here's ball and chain or whatever

Greatshield, blast gauntlets, blade yo-yo, critical dagger, axe, magic tome, superheavy bowgun, razor wire, and then lance

[vocal haven]

https://youtu.be/9cd2dIa1DKk?si=sdrZaG9ifN1Be1WS

@outer heron db really is last

[full girder]

What are the best and worst weapons in monster hunter generations

For the 3Ds

[weak gulch]

I remember Gunlance having a wonky heat meter mechanic in MHG

[full girder]

Haven’t tried that yet

My favorite weapon so far is the light bowgun

[weak gulch]

Noice

[full girder]

Good wonky or bad wonky

[weak gulch]

From what I remember and understand of it, bad wonky because it's essentially nerfed without full heat meter compared to previous games.

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/pd03p9/does_anyone_here_miss_the_mhggu_heat_mechanic_for/haoj6iq/

jonnovision1​​​ [2021, Aug 28]

Gen/GenU GL had a heat gauge divided into 3 colours (yellow -> orange -> red) with a needle indicating where you were on the gauge, being in higher sections increased damage of pokes/slams/etc, all the lance parts but didn’t affect any of the fun parts. You increase your heat gauge position by using shells and it slowly lowers over time, but you can lock your position by using wyvern fire

On paper it’s a cool idea, but they nerfed gunlance damage from 4U to gen so even at max gauge position (Red portion) your damage is only equal to what it was in 4U, at yellow and orange you did less than 4U

[full girder]

Thanks

[mystic cape]

Lance shield does Exhaust damage now

[vocal haven]

Ye big bonk

[mystic cape]

Also seems they're expanding on the guard related attacks which is very in line with how Lance be

[halcyon fractal]

👀

[real zodiac]

Looks like you can strafe while poking

[halcyon fractal]

SHIELD BASH

and shield SMASH

SHIELD CRASH

[real zodiac]

And more shield bashing, yeah

There was a real fast tripple poke in there as well

[vocal haven]

There is like a blue glow before the second block at the start of the video

[halcyon fractal]

👀 sans mode

[mystic cape]

That's do indicate it's read to perform the guard counter they introduced in World

Which is to differentiate it from the super duper guard state you can also enter from that stance

What's more interesting is the yellow glow on the shield before what seems to be a stronger guard counter with a second strike in it

[outer heron]

wait shit

is that

an actual guard point

one of their guard & ripostes showcased has the lance doing a block that immediately finishes its animation with a shield bash

that might just straight up be a guard point

since it's so much faster than all of the other ripostes we've seen, even the other ones on the lance

[mystic cape]

Lance seems to have several guard attacks in addition to the shield now doing exhaust damage

[outer heron]

yeah getting that sns shield upgrade is fucking great

[snow helm]

Honestly, having never used lance before, I'm kind of shocked to learn that its shield bashes never had exhaust damage

[mystic cape]

It didn't have shield bashes

It got a shield dash in World but not a shield bash

[outer heron]

it has one bash, doesn't it?

but not a functional amount

[mystic cape]

Maybe it was part of the dash?

It wasn't really usefull most of the time for offense though

[tiny wind]

Lance main be like : Big metal stick and big metal board, jeck yess

[mystic cape]

It does still look like good stuff

[vernal root]

This is probably the most thorough answer for it, and much else, relating to MHXX: https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/s/soyl6RRES8

For Gunlance I believe Brave-style is decent, whilst for normal Lance you want Striker.

[real zodiac]

It could build stun, but not exhaust, iirc

[real zodiac]

After the shielded dash you could shieled bash or thrust

[mystic cape]

Ah yes

[vernal root]

Striker Lance was a hoot: https://youtu.be/J-hNEx5Aijg?si=419F8lwXtOkf8uuU

There was so much charging

[mystic cape]

"We are running in the 90s" playing in the background

[full girder]

Sorry my phone can’t access links. Some strange glitch

[mystic cape]

Dumb Weapon idea: Stake Driver, you plant an explosive charge in a monster and hitting it detonates it. Works like a staff otherwise.

[outer heron]

that's just a gunlance attack

wyrmstakes are pretty core to the weapon already

[mystic cape]

Yeah but that's a delayed explosive, not a lasting attachment where it can cause more damage by focusing on the spot

[outer heron]

no it isn't

you can shoot wyrmstake blasts in IB to retrigger them

but ig if that doesn't come back...

[vocal haven]

They also basically added this to bow now

[mystic cape]

That's a magnet

It's slightly different

[vocal haven]

Also explodes when enough dmg is dealt

[mystic cape]

I said slightly

[full girder]

Which monster hunter games are the best in the series?

[outer heron]

it depends

monhun games have very different play patterns

i could say World, because it's my favorite and i prefer its mechanics to any of the others

someone else might say Rise, because they like its hunt speed, weapon speed, and highly generous mechanics

plenty of people think Generations Ultimate is the best in the series

a lot of people like Freedom Unite

there are a lot of answers and all of them depend

[full girder]

I’m interested in rise so what would you say the best and worst thing about it is

Oh and btw thanks for your answer

[outer heron]

mm

so, the parts of Rise that are the biggest general appeals are the fact that it's quite fast

er

fast to play

not like "require high reaction time"

hunts in Rise are a lot more streamlined than in other games

there's a lot of general qol improvements over the course of the series that have hit World and Rise in different ways

and those come together to make it a much faster and easier game to pick up and put down, you can just do a hunt or two in 30-40 minutes and go about your day

[frank epoch]

Rise is the fastest paced and most mobile of the games. it feels like a high octane action game, which will appeal to fans of that plastyle. Rise also has the most QOL stuff. Worst part of Rise is the Rampages which feel like distractions from the main loop of the game yet are either mandatory or drop such good loot that they're nearly mandatory for a large part of the game

[outer heron]

and the fact that it gives you a lot of leeway

Rise is a very generous game, mechanically speaking

every weapon has a bunch of ways to ignore or escape punishments

[frank epoch]

and plenty of people don't like this, fwiw

[outer heron]

most weapons have very powerful counter-moves with i-frames

[naive elk]

yeah you can be a lot less deliberate in it

can work with stuff on the fly more often

[outer heron]

so it's a lot better for new players to just get into and be good at

[naive elk]

yeah

[outer heron]

because you always have wirebug stuff to fall back on

and there are a lot of different ways "wirebug stuff" benefit you

[outer heron]

this is also its weakest point to me, yeah

(along with rampages)

i much prefer the more careful deliberacy of older games, but i think World strikes the best balance between that and the mobile line's speed in the way that's most fun for me

but that generosity is a plus for a lot of people

and for understandable reasons

[frank epoch]

If I had to put it briefly for my own purposes/take, Monster Hunter has always felt like a series that heavily rewards you for learning both the behavior of the monsters you fight and the ins and outs of the weapon you wield. However, the amount of abilities that you have in Rise to escape a bad situation, ignore it entirely, and/or rapidly reposition with little drawbacks, leads to much less emphasis on this feeling of natural growth in skill and knowledge acquisition. Thus Rise is much less satisfying to me than older titles like Worldborne, Generations Ultimate, or Tri.

[outer heron]

that's a good way of putting it succinctly, yeah

and about echoes my sentiments as well

[frank epoch]

You never need to learn the exact best moment to dodge a monster's attack, and the best angle to dodge it at for a quick counterattack, if wirebugs give you a gigantic window both before the attack to be miles out of the way before it even comes close to you, or it lets you quickly recover after getting hit so you won't ever be in a position to get combo'd by the monster.

I also hate what they did to hunting horn in Rise and am glad to see that they're largely completely reverting it in Wilds

[frank epoch]

Not to dissuade you Jamesie, I still put like 200 hours into base Rise, it's still a great game that I have a lot of fun with, but for my money it's the entry in the series that I vibe probably the least with

[rich valve]

I will say that after Sunbreak release they drop rampages and you basically only need to do a handful of them to get to the DLC

[frank epoch]

Yeah I will say I did not play a lick of Sunbreak

I know it was generally much better recieved than base Rise

[teal halo]

i told yall

i prophesized that shit

[brave hazel]

World's done downloading 🥳

[outer heron]

nice, have fun

several hundred hours of it

[brave hazel]

I've had hundreds of hours of fun in it already lmao

I just yearn for more these days

[outer heron]

ah gotcha

[brave hazel]

At this point all that's left to complete is Fatalis

[brave hazel]

...god I forgot how much this longsword kicks ass

Holy SHIT it is SO GODDAMN COOL

[brave hazel]

Oh lawd I'm drippin

...Jesus fucking Christ, that poor Jagras

Level 1 beginner monster vs a fucking Fatalis greatsword is like a coughing baby vs a hydrogen bomb

[teal halo]

wrong

coughing baby versus black hole

[brave hazel]

Better comparison, yeah

...tbh I kinda don't like that about the SOS system, popping a flare and ending up with some endgame dude with good intention that just completely trivializes the hunt

[teal halo]

i only call for help on two occasions

the first pink rathian hunt

and the first nergigante hunt

[brave hazel]

...good LORD I forgot how fun Hunting Horn is

Big bonks and big buffs

I'm using Kjarr Crusher, any that y'all'd recommend?

I just like its buffs, plus the damage is at least passable and it's got Blast

[frank epoch]

anything with AUXL is gonna be at bare minimum pretty useful

[brave hazel]

Remind me what AUXL is?

[frank epoch]

attack up XL

[brave hazel]

Ah, right

[frank epoch]

if you can do fatalis, that one's obviously gonna be the best for damage, after that is probably alatreon but safi HH is close enough and is much less annoying to fight imo

[brave hazel]

Roight

[teal halo]

Up next will be dual blades

[brave hazel]

heugh

Master rank Lunastra armor my beloved

[wicked prism]

It's VERY good

[vocal haven]

https://youtu.be/FvX367QFb9o?si=WBiDXwtNatBP5OtS

[teal halo]

I TOLD YOU

I TOLD YOU

[vocal haven]

ON DEMAMD BEYBLADE

BEYBLADE

BEYBLADE

[teal halo]

IM A GODDAMN PROPHET

[vocal haven]

It was the only weapon left

[teal halo]

Wrong

Wait

Right?

Maybe?

I don’t know

[wicked prism]

YOOOOO

[teal halo]

I’m having a stroke

[wicked prism]

It is the last weapon video yes

Unless surprise new weapon

[vocal haven]

What is the blue tinged weapon attack stuff close to the End.

[teal halo]

I see two paths

Either something new arrives

Or not

[vocal haven]

Btw

Is that congala armor

[halcyon fractal]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vocal haven]

Also it's here @umbral loom

[halcyon fractal]

IT IS CONGALALA ARMOR

mmmph

i hope it isn't returning

[vocal haven]

It seems like they are actually making the gauge matter

[teal halo]

Two days until two things

[halcyon fractal]

really not feeling the vibe of "Haha fat farting monkey haha its fat and gross and fat and farty haha!!!"

[vocal haven]

Like you empower regular attacks with gauge

[teal halo]

The hunt and the silk melody

[halcyon fractal]

heck I'd put up with Blangonga than the fatphobic pink joke

[vocal haven]

They did say in interviews no new weapons

[halcyon fractal]

ehhh

I am excited for that beyblade skill woof

[vocal haven]

So selective gauge use for attacks and some blue tinged skill thing?

I am wondering if it's switch skills/styles

Bow had an adapt evade with red tinted stuff. But lance and db had blue tinged stuff

Wait was that a counter??

At 0:36+

[umbral loom]

Yeah I saw

That focus strike was some AoT bullshit hell yeah

[tiny wind]

Funny fart monkey confirmes

[vocal haven]

Or is there just universal perfect block/evade

[tiny wind]

I bit the bullet an play LBG pierce in rise

[vocal haven]

It just fully looks like an adapt dodge/evade on that db shot

[mystic cape]

There have definitely been perfect block and evade moves on multiple weapons

[winged crest]

Always the spine roll

Love it

[vocal haven]

Beyblade is dual blades is brat

[mystic cape]

Since this version involves a grapple line to pull you into the roll you could argue this is the truest form as you can truly let it rip

[desert light]

Digging the look of that

looks like it's going to be a good time to be Greatsword/Dual Blades main

[mystic cape]

All the weapons are having a god time it seems

[halcyon fractal]

https://vxtwitter.com/QuirklessStoner/status/1813309986690502734

😭

this article miiiiight be AI, actually

unless there are scoutflies in Wilds

[desert light]

Can i suggest cooling thy heels until Gamescon comes and goes?

No use in getting wound up about stuff like this until we have hard confirmation either way

[halcyon fractal]

ahh fair

[desert light]

Like, if decos are random drops again? I'm gonna be annoyed

but, to be honest, if necklaces are random drops again, i'm also going to be annoyed

I dont like layers of rng like that.

Thankfully, pc and cheat engine/mods exist to bypass this stuff, but it's annoying either way

[mystic cape]

Yeah, imo the onky RNG that should exist in MonHun is getting rare parts to drop from a hunt

Cause those are rewards of skill for beating the hunt, not rewards of "okay which loot table am I rolling again"

[desert light]

It's actualyl what put me off Rise's post game, needing to roll for skills

i basically decided screw it

To be fair to them, desinging a long term loop for post game content is... not an easy thing

I'm like happy enoug hwitout

but they seem to feel the need for their to be a long term loop

I dunno, i like hunting the armor and dont mind the rare drops because like, i know i can do stuff to increase that (If i want a mantle, there's tail carves, headbreaks, etc)

And it's got ap retty distinct end point - i only need what, 15? ish mantles per creature in theory

(If i want one of every weapon and all armor sets or what have you)

[vocal haven]

CW: blood (MK scene)

[tiny wind]

I will not use elemental weakness and blight the only élément i acknoledge is Blast. I will use raw damage on everything

All the Monsters are weak to these hands

[stuck needle]

Blast is definitely the funniest blight. I hope they buff it in Wilds

[outer heron]

why would they ever do that?

it's already the strongest

[mystic cape]

I find it more likely they'd tweak it to be a bit weaker

[outer heron]

aye

[stuck needle]

Wait, is it actually? I've only played base rise and world and it always seemed kind of mediocre

[outer heron]

it does a ridiculous amount of free damage

even against the things like teostra that are highly resistant it's still a minimum of like

several thousand damage over the course of a fight

[balmy swan]

i inflict status effect: explosion

blast's pretty great for breaking parts too

[stuck needle]

huh! good to know

[brave hazel]

Drachen set and Escadora Alpha go together surprisingly well

Only issue is fighting AT Behemoth for the layered armor

Swear to god AT Behemoth could solo Fatalis, that dude is ridiculously overtuned

[stuck needle]

Fatalis doesn't understand raid mechanics, it has no chance

[solemn jay]

IIRC when blast procs, it deals part-damage to all parts of the monster, not just the one you were hitting

[brave hazel]

Aye

Blast is fucking stupid and I love it

[vocal haven]

I despise behemoth for introducing the one shot attacks and damage gates

[brave hazel]

...oh god, did they actually keep some of his mechanics

Oh hey, the money from those TF2 cosmetics I sold finally got added to my Steam wallet

MonHun Rise time

[weak gulch]

Behemoth quite literally got pulled from FFXIV, it's definitely a rough fight to manage because of the MMO mechanics

[brave hazel]

Aye

Plus, like

It's fucking Behemoth

One of the biggest, baddest monsters in all of Final Fantasy period

Better it be overtuned than undertuned and underwhelming

[mystic cape]

Behemoth is arguably the only monster where Lance can truly tank

[vocal haven]

Ye and after Behemoth Saphire Star got added which ok. But escaton judgement i despise and to me it looks like a Trend that I have Behemoth to thank for

[frank epoch]

i think they learned their lesson at the end of iceborne with fatalis

just with it being a real hard fight with no bullshit like eschaton judgment or ecliptic meteor

[mystic cape]

I mean you still have to hide from the world burning around you but it's well telegraphed

[outer heron]

i would argue that fatalis's bullshit is bringing mh1 to world

it has some rancid hitboxes on a couple attacks

[weak gulch]

Gravios sticks out to me in MHGU for that reason, I'm pretty sure it's got MH1/MH2 hitboxes still.

[outer heron]

i would not be shocked if that were the case

[wicked citrus]

Gravios always had hitboxes that were weird as shit. If you ran the correct way, gravios would roll over you and not hit you.

[vocal haven]

while I love kulve

the fucking tail hitbox in stage 2

still makes me boil

[brave hazel]

Oh, man, Fatalis is nowhere near as hard as the Elden Ring DLC's last boss, this feels weirdly simple in comparison

Not easy but I'm having a much better time of it now

...his tail's still bullshit long though

[mystic cape]

And ya can't cut it

[brave hazel]

And you can't cut it either

I'm mostly just annoyed that I was halfway across the arena and it STILL somehow hit me

[brave hazel]

Extremeoth down AGAIN baybee

[teal halo]

did you solo it

[wicked citrus]

Extremoth is one of the hardest monsters to solo. Mainly because you have to pass that stupid DPS check, dodge his tornados, and place the comets in good spots.

If you don't have a fast weapon, then the fight can be a slog. Especially Pre-Iceborne.

[brave hazel]

Negative lmao

[brave hazel]

Iceborne kit at least makes it tolerable

[brave hazel]

Hrm

Debating if I wanna spend the last few cents in my Steam account on some small little cosmetic for Rise

[desert light]

Goss harag plushy duals

[brave hazel]

Don't really use dual swords, though

I might get this once I sell some TF2 items? But it feels... vaguely neckbeard-y.

What with the long coat and the hat

Hat's more cowboy looking though, rather than fedora looking

[halcyon fractal]

😔 it is thoroughly unfortunate how the guy with the fedora has been co-opted by chuds

[brave hazel]

Aye

Shame

[halcyon fractal]

oh here it is

[brave hazel]

God

I've seen that factoid floating around before

Always feels shitty knowing he became a stereotype for creepy weirdos just because he doesn't look conventional

[crude kayak]

I'm having a lot of fun with valor gunlance in MHGU

[crude kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1206039181038719006/1274207360801308683/image.png?ex=66c40c94&is=66c2bb14&hm=7741c64dd7c3d481ed142beaa82fb98baf5e7e82f05498c224ed95a31b804461&

There's a royal ludroth here somewhere

I promise

[halcyon fractal]

what kinda GL are you using?

[crude kayak]

Obsidian gunlance atm, so long shelling

in valor style

[halcyon fractal]

oooh

[crude kayak]

End screen is AA Flare hunter art going off

Upward aiming full burst and then also wyvernsfire if it's not on cool down

[halcyon fractal]

oooh

very pretty

and pretty damn explosive

[winged crest]

No new showcases anymore?
I kind of hoped they'd move on to showing off some beasts or gameplay features

[halcyon fractal]

the next trailer is tomorrow iirc

not on showcases

but a whole new trailer

[winged crest]

Poggeur

[mystic cape]

Dashes the ideas they may drop a new weapon out of nowhere with a showcase trailer though

[rich valve]

I think that was already quite an unlikely pipe dream

I know why people naturally want "more thing" but also I will be honest in saying I don't know that adding more weapons would significantly improve the monster hunter series, there's already quite a variety 😅

[stuck needle]

They need to add a pokeball weapon

[vocal haven]

i mean didnt they say no new weapons in an interview like specifically

[brave hazel]

How do I get my Guiding Lands leveled up quickly?

[mystic cape]

All I know is a faster hitting weapon that deals exhaust damage is the only niche I can think of that is yet to be filled

[outer heron]

yeah

long before the showcases

[vocal haven]

I wanna see the dual attacks

Cause I still have no clue how they will even work

[mystic cape]

Odds are we'll see some in a trailer or two before release

On that note though, what weapon comboes do y'all think you wanna try out? I'm thinking I might do LS and Bow depending on if/how they changed the coating to work (since it appears to be slightly different int he showcase as I mentioned previously)

[halcyon fractal]

slay/capture monsters in their zones, check tracks, and collect Guiding Lands exclusive materials

iirc

[mystic cape]

Also be sure to capture each of the unique Guiding Lands monsters at least once since this unlocks the rotating arena quests which can make farming their materials a bit simpler.

[brave hazel]

Ah, yeah, should do that

Y'all got any recommendations for good spread LBGs?

I'm using the Frostfang one at the moment

[outer heron]

can't help ya there, i only played stickies in world

picked it up for safi

hm

looks like beotodus is the only good spread lbg until elders

and then you go to the velkhana lbg

and then the final progression is either the one you're probably using (blizzard gust, the special frostfang quest gun) or safi's frostshot

[brave hazel]

Right, right

[stuck needle]

Oh, wow, yeah. Having a cooldown on coatings/special ammo would definitely explain why they keep pairing bowguns with melee weapons in the trailers. Swapping to another weapon while they recharge makes a lot more sense than the inventory hell of two different weapon loadouts in one

[desert light]

This. Like as much as i do wanna see the series get some new weapons, teh actual niches left are... not that many

The hypotehtical punch boomerang they've shown sketches for before makes osme sense

Giant fucking punching gloves that are some mix of dual blade fast with greatsword/hammer style charges coudl work, but like... all 3 of those weapons already exist

Some kind of harpoon type throwing spear or another "mid" range weapon is the most likely actual niche to still be covered

and the thing is once they commit to a weapon in a mainline series, you cant really... not bring it foward

Which means that much more design work balance work art resources etc

[outer heron]

i want the accel axe

[rich valve]

i am very sympathetic to people requesting tonfas purely out of the desire to basically be punching a monster

[desert light]

I do think "PUNCH MONSTER" is well, a valid thing

i just want it to be Vi-style massive gauntlets over your arms though

(Which migfht, even, done well, help with some of the obvious design problems that short weapons have in the series)

[outer heron]

okay yeah BIG GLOV would be fantastic

exploding gauntlets

[desert light]

That's sort of where I'd lean - big meaty hits with some kind of mid-range element.

Rocket punch? Rocket punch.

[outer heron]

give it an LS-esque "momentum" meter that like

heats up the weapon with kinetic energy conversion and activates some ranged attacks

either chain-explosions, rocket punches, both, or some similar effect

or a swaxe/CB charge meter that makes the whole weapon mid-ranged with explosions after a warm-up

[mystic cape]

Yeah what I'm thinking is having one ranged for when a monster takes to flight or starts moving too fast to follow would be a good way to cover bases and Bow is probably the easiest to mix with LS

[rich valve]

ill be honest the two weapon thing is my biggest trepidation about wilds because I honestly have never been fighting a monster and thought "It would be useful to have a second weapon right now" and I would usually prefer to just get good at using one than two 😅

[snow helm]

Yeah, I feel like the only benefit is just being able to hot swap while you hunt two monsters back to back

If they try to encourage you to do it during a single hunt by making monsters switch between two very different modes or movesets I might just get frustrated

[brave hazel]

Aye, the only real benefit I can see from it is swapping from a status weapon to a more damage focused one and vice versa

Proc something and switch to the big boy sword

[void narwhal]

Those multi-monster hunts too, I don't want to bring every weapon against a Rathalos or w/e

[brave hazel]

True

I will say, I do quite enjoy how they're starting to lean into the inherent silliness of Hunting Horn a little more

The little jig you perform doing the Echo Bubble is just fantastic

[void narwhal]

Wonder how far they'll lean with the sfx

Already have a few guitars

[brave hazel]

Aye

Hope we get some really fucking wacko shit

Like an entire goddamn piano on a stick

[void narwhal]

Some of the bowgun stuff sounds a little anemic ngl

[brave hazel]

Bowguns have always sounded kinda piddly tbh

Which always disappoints me

Like, look at the fucking SIZE of those guns

They wouldn't go "pew" they'd roar like cannons

Especially heavy bowguns, those things should be giving our Hunters tinnitus

Size of a fuckin punt gun they are

[void narwhal]

Well that's the bow part I guess, they're sort of crossbows despite literally everything about their design

Firing big fuckoff stakes

But like. Also machine gun. A bit. So.. sure.

Hope Snipe is still around

[brave hazel]

Ditto

[brave hazel]

Nah they're primarily guns based on the muzzle flashes, I assume the crossbow bit is just the striker that fires the bullet

Wow, for once the fem model hunters get the better armor

That hat is KILLER

...oh my god you can straight up aimbot with Bow

[brisk dirge]

The seeking looks pretty neat yeah

[mystic cape]

Bowguns have always struck me as mortar launchers

Since the ammo is fairly large

[outer heron]

wasn't the hat the male set?

[brave hazel]

Is it?

Well at least the fem set gets a cool helmet

[stuck needle]

https://www.fanatical.com/en/pick-and-mix/build-your-own-monster-hunter-bundle

[stuck needle]

I dunno if we got a clear shot of the hunter's features to tell for sure, but the shading on the helmet hunter here gives them a pretty masc chin while the hatted hunter has very full lips.

[frank epoch]

I really loved the pipe organ on the guild palace HH in Iceborne

Just wished it had a different sound lol

[brave hazel]

Same, would've sounded cooler if it made organ noises

[outer heron]

ah, gotcha, I thought we saw some breast curvature on the helmeted one's chestplate

but it's been a couple days

[vernal root]

Need: https://youtu.be/Xgcfsb06Hn0?si=7CoG5mMwyTDi5d9y

[stuck needle]

Hmmm. Could be. https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1etj8sm/a_better_look_at_the_new_bow_malefemale_armor/

[outer heron]

I just want de-gender-locked armor...

[brave hazel]

...really hope they move away from half the mechanics being flavors of stun in the future

Why are there like four flavors of "you're not allowed to play the game"

Tremors, roars, pins, and just regular-ass stuns

Tremors doesn't even make sense for how long it lasts

Like, anyone would get knocked to their feet by the ground shaking, but to fucking crawl around for the next ten seconds unable to do literally anything else?

[brisk dirge]

as a LS main I love roars, they're easy to parry

[brisk dirge]

also the answer is "to make you get different skills to resist them"

[outer heron]

i think roars are good design because they're a "scripted" stun that you can roll through

[frank epoch]

You're an LS main Alaen? I respected you

[outer heron]

they very directly and obviously reward itemization and/or game skill

[brisk dirge]

alas, I am terminally LS brained

[outer heron]

(or being a smelly LS main)

[frank epoch]

👃

[brisk dirge]

I've played LS literally every game since Freedom
just too used to it now

[outer heron]

i think stuns and tremors overall are...not

not great

to say the least

mostly because stuns as a death spiral are just annoying game design

without them, i'd be fine with tremor

since that's, similar to roars, something that you can Built Diffy yourself through or just dedicate itemization toward

but stuns suck

[brave hazel]

At least stuns make some degree of sense

I have no idea what on earth causes the Hunter to just become completely incapable for a solid ten seconds when the ground rumbles a bit hard

[mystic cape]

Can't you roll out of a tremor stun?

[brave hazel]

Not that I've seen

[outer heron]

not as far as i remember either

[outer heron]

have you ever been in a mid-size earthquake and just struggled to stay off your ass?

sometimes you've got the shakes even once the aftershocks are done

or at least it was like that for me once or twice

[brave hazel]

I guess you're right

...augh

Why must layered weapons be so so very expensive

I keep pinballing between wanting Brimstren Drakenbone or Supremacy Blade

Cause on one hand, I've loved Supremacy Blade's design since I were but a high school lad and it's SORELY underrated, but on the other, Brimstren Drakenbone is one of the coolest fucking swords period

Tbh I do lean more to Supremacy Blade, I like its thinner profile more

[vocal haven]

you know what i want removed in wilds

fucking hunter coins

[brave hazel]

God, same

Those arena quests are awful

Though tbf that's only really because the kit you're provided is... Really Fucking Terrible for some reason

I guess that's part of the challenge, beat X monster with extremely subpar gear

[vocal haven]

honestly even that could be fine

just give a loadout for all weapons plsssss

[stuck needle]

I got through it with Rise for the mighty bow charm, but it was a pretty tedious grind. Beating the monkey for the first time was pretty triumphant, it's just the next dozen times that sucked

[winged crest]

we animal crossing now

[brave hazel]

Weird how well the Stinogre LS goes with Alatreon's armor

...well, they're both dark metals and dark scaly hides primarily, so I guess it makes sense

[mystic cape]

Color scheme synergy

[halcyon fractal]

https://vxtwitter.com/midnightboshi/status/1825650669472133122?s=46

[brave hazel]

Hrmm

Considering trying out Swaxe...

Any advice regarding it?

[crude kayak]

What game?

[brave hazel]

World

[balmy swan]

try to only shift between modes after a swing, it's way faster than the static mode change animation

or a roll, if you need to change in a pinch

my preference is to stick to axe mode most of the time for the mobility, and then change to sword mode when i have a big opening

[crude kayak]

Don't know much about swaxe in World actually

[gilded mountain]

Yeah. Swax in world is really about getting zero sum discharges as efficiently and safely as possible, and using the best pokes at your disposal in between. I actually value quick sheath on it in World, as repositioning by getting out of sword and using axe's better reach and mobility is frankly a pipe dream. It's just not fast like in Rise.

Don't worry about charge skills, your amp gauge builds insanely fast in this game, and your damage output is pretty bananas.

I know some people like power axe builds too, but I know very little about power axe builds in World so I would ask someone else. I've pretty much done power phial sword builds and ZSD spam ele builds

[weak gulch]

World cranked up stun duration/reduced the effect of stick wiggle by a lot for ??? reason(s) too, making it super punishing without stun resistance/immunity. Getting hit by rapid attacks/a strong attack is bad enough without stun ensuring your death at HR/MR.

[mystic cape]

World also introduced the SWaxe infinite loop combo

Cause changing from sword form to axe form regains a bit of gauge you can do swap attacks between the two constantly

All the previous trailers in one https://youtu.be/g7Iwrf2R5Uo?si=i_PdV6JhrVUx5a-7

[winged crest]

it's swaxe
you either sw or you axe

[teal halo]

I’ve tried swaxe now and I like it but

GOD DAMN it eats durability like candy

[vernal root]

I didn't play Iceborne, where I heard grappling into a Zero-sum discharge became more of the meta, but IIRC switch attacks were a solid way to approach the weapon.

For axe mode specifically, Wild Swing into the Morph attack is the usual go to, though I believe the poke on the axe is also decent.

[teal halo]

Yeah no wild swing consumes my durability

[vernal root]

Here's a decent Reddit comment on the SA in Iceborne

If you own Iceborne, then switchaxe gain a few really good moves:

• The fade slash: (Backward+Y). It moves you back plus do quite good damage. You now have quite effective poke combo by Forward Slash -> Fade Slash.
• Power axe mode: (Wild swing -> Heavy slam) making your axe causing more trip damage and can even KO monster. Really good to open any engagement with.
• Clutch claw: During an Elemental Discharge (X+Y when your blue blade bar is not glowing), press the clutch claw button will transition it to a Zero sum discharge. This is very useful because:
  Switch axes had different gauge gaining rate depend on the type. Axes with exhaust or paralyze phial gain gauge the fastest and your sword will glow in a single Heavenward Flurry combo (Y>Y>Y); allow you to do Heavenward Flurry -> ZSD.
  Axes with power or elemental phial does more ZSD damage but also gain slower and won't fill your whole bar. BUT now you can do Heavenward flurry -> Element Discharge -> Clutch claw.
  Heavenward flurry fill your bar from 0 to around 80%, Element discharge will fill the remaining 20%, and you will instantly gointo ZSD. Neat.
• And most of all, when you have a full bar, you can just clutch to the monster and spam ZSD exactly where you want it to hit.

And another one, which together should cover the basics. (They share what I remember of playing with SA, as well as some additional info.)

Hey there. Think I can give a few pointers and tips.

So switchaxe is an all offensive weapon. Axe mode is good for getting trips with power axe mode, sword mode is the main damage output, and zsd's can be a pretty safe playstyle.

In axe mode, I mostly just use it to combo wild swing into sword mode since the morph attack's second hit is one of SA's strongest hits. Sword mode, I use the heavenward flurry combo(b>b>b on Xbox) to build up amp meter then use sword combo(b>b>y>y repeat) to dish out damage. Keep in mind to morph back to axe mode every now and again to rebuild sword gauage and to dodge attacks mid combo. ZSD's can dish out good damage, but it may be beneficial to end it early since a full ZSD has a long recovery animation.

Skills I would recommend are power prolonger, evade extender/window, and earplugs 1. PP extends the time that your SA stays amped. Evade skills are needed since SA has no defensive option other then dodging. And earplugs 1 is a niche but nice use. ZSD gives you four levels of earplugs just for being in the ZSD animation, so slotting in just one level of earplugs gives you full roar immunity while you zero sum, making roars a good opportunity to punish the monster.

Switchaxe can be a pretty good wakeup weapon if there isn't a better wakeup on your hunt. Landing the second hit of the wild swing into sword mode is a good wakeup hit if you can land it. However, I've found that slotting evade extender 3 opens up the ZSD wakeup instead. Go to the monster's head, draw your axe, switch into sword mode, and dodge back. That put's you at the perfect distance to use a zsd to wakeup without hitting the monster with any of the mini ticks of ZSD.

Hope this helps and happy hunting.

[vocal haven]

Me when every guide is not for keyboard and mouse

Also 2 hours till new wilds news drop

[rich valve]

i think it's 3.5?

and thats until the start of the gamescom stream im not sure monster hunter will be the first thing shown 😅

[winged crest]

my dad works for the guild he says it's 5 hours

[brave hazel]

You know what I hope for most with Wilds

I hope we get another Final Fantasy crossover so we can dress our raptor up like a chocobo

[mystic cape]

IIRC there was word that if they did another one it'd be against Bahamut

So, monkey's paw joke and such

[frank epoch]

Extremut

[stuck needle]

They should let us fight that moogle king boss from ff14 so that I can wear him as a hat

[teal halo]

You can just do that

[outer heron]

arch-tempered ff16 ifrit

would be sick

[brave hazel]

I would fucking KILL for a Bahamut fight in MonHun

That would be arguably cooler than Fatalis

One's a world-ender, sure, but the other is straight up an actual, literal deity

And can you IMAGINE what Bahamut gear would look like

[vocal haven]

As long as you cut the onshot damage gate bs

Youtube lied

[mystic cape]

But which version of Bahamut will it be?

[vocal haven]

It's like an hour till show

[brave hazel]

Agreed

[brave hazel]

Bahamut Prime maybe

[mystic cape]

If they wanted to troll everyone it'd be the one from FFXV that's just a sword guy

If they wanted to fuck with FFXIV players specifically it'd be the actual Bahamut we never meet from that game cause he got killed thousands of years ago

[brave hazel]

Aye

Gilgamesh would be kinda funny, though he really wouldn't fit

Just a bigass guy that's using every single MonHun weapon

Try to hit him, he Guard Points with a Charge Blade and hits you with the Spread HBG

[brave hazel]

Godddddddddddddddd

There is NOTHING in this game that can compare to blowing up a sleeping elder dragon to high heaven

Finally got this quest down, now my name's a fancy yellow

[stuck needle]

blowing up TWO sleeping elder dragons

[brave hazel]

True

[vocal haven]

MONSTER HUTNER TIME

[outer heron]

IT'S TEMNO TIME

[vocal haven]

that was a lot of red of on the db animations

THE LIGHTNING DUDE LOOKS AMAZING

[outer heron]

I'M LOSING IT

UOOOOGHHH

[frigid mango]

makes me think of zinogre a bit

[vocal haven]

IT LOOKS SO GOOD

[stuck needle]

kind of diablos meets zinogre, yeah

[vocal haven]

omg

the head closed for the railgun! AND THEN LIGHTNING STRIKES

IT LOOKS SO COOL

[brave hazel]

Railgun?

[vocal haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp4gR1QEvVA

RAILGUN DRAGON

[mystic cape]

We also get to see the charge blade monster

[vocal haven]

Lala Barina is fun name

[brave hazel]

RAILGUN DRAGON???

Holy SHIT, RAILGUN DRAGON

[winged crest]

the fuck is a railgun dragon

[outer heron]

yeah, glad we're finally getting a better look at it

I've been so fucking hyped for the railwyvern

[winged crest]

nice flower spider

[outer heron]

and it absolutely goddamn delivered

[brave hazel]

Oh, hey, you can get the Iceborne armor for your palico

[outer heron]

ye

[brave hazel]

Hope it's a layered set

[outer heron]

and world

check the MHW steam news

[brave hazel]

Oh nice

[winged crest]

RAILGUN DRAGON

[brave hazel]

I do hope it's layered armor and not just regular armor, be a shame for it to be immediately outclassed

[outer heron]

should be at least the latter

maybe both

REY DAU

WE HAVE A NAME

god this thing fucking slaps

the railgun jaws go hard

[brave hazel]

Agreed

God, the HBG from it is gonna fucking RULE design wise

At least that's what I'm hoping

[vocal haven]

THE HEAD CLOSING FOR THE RAILGUN IS AHHHHHHHH

[brisk dirge]

the spider looks really cool

[zenith sedge]

Really big fan of how vibrant Lala Barina looks, Rey Dau has some great patterning as well

[mystic cape]

I really hope Rey Dau's bowguns incorporate the raingun jaw

[outer heron]

it's gonna make such good bowguns

[brave hazel]

Ditto, I wanna see some shit like the Zinogre bowguns

[outer heron]

I hope it gets a sick gunlance too

that has the railgun jaws

[vocal haven]

jaw dbs please

[outer heron]

there's so much cool shit to do with the railgun jaws, as long as the chassis is good

[brave hazel]

Aye

It'd 100% be a Wyvernsnipe bowgun

[brisk dirge]

from the video, it seems like Snipe is just the focus mode attack of HBG now

so it seems like all HBG might get both Wyverheart and Snipe now, effectively

[stuck needle]

we'll probably get some more details on that soon, with people getting their hands on the demo

[brisk dirge]

do also find it interesting they seem to be making shield baseline for HBG

especially with it also getting manual guard now

[brave hazel]

Aye

Shield's integral to HBG gameplay, so it makes sense that they're just making it part of its base kit

Cause you're just gonna take the shield anyway, may as well streamline things

[spring lily]

Im just glad we got hard confirmation that there are more locales

I wonder what makes the water red

Probably minerals

[stuck needle]

or microbes

[mystic cape]

Could be from the plants

[outer heron]

we already did a long while ago

the website calls the windward plains the "first" biome of the forbidden lands

[spring lily]

I'm aware, yes, but it was reassuring to see something new

Language like that can be deceiving

[rich valve]

seems very unlikely that they would put this skeleton in and not also have rakna-kadaki, too

[stuck needle]

Or, bare minimum, more temnocerons

[outer heron]

that's a lot more likely to me

i have a feeling we'll get a lot more new monsters than repeats

so more new temnocerans feel more likely than old ones

[rich valve]

well I just mean that it is very tellingly the same skeleton as that monster

[winged crest]

forbidden lands
put the entire fuckin game inside them

getting mixed messages

[outer heron]

previously forbidden

having access is extremely new

name's a holdover

no jokes allowed, only serious mode in my monhun

[rich valve]

the bidden lands

[desert light]

It's likely she'd make a come back in the expansion, I think. (Rakna, that is)

[desert light]

https://i.redd.it/0421eomfbvjd1.png

Look at this excellent unit

[outer heron]

he's fun

[stuck needle]

I bet if you dump a bucket of water on that cat he looks like a limp noodle. 200% fluff

[outer heron]

shoutouts to his name being Athos

musketeer-ass cat

[brave hazel]

Oh my god

I would die for this cat

...forgot why I hated Raging Brachy so much

[brave hazel]

What helmet is NotAMetroid wearing?

[weary charm]

diablos hard

[mystic cape]

...Fuck, Lala Barina is a SPIDER LILY

[halcyon fractal]

LALA BARINA

[halcyon fractal]

the glow probably comes from very bright facepaint

[crude kayak]

Ayy farmed last fatalis evil eye with shameless plunderblade

Got some before doing it with a group from a server I've left

[halcyon fractal]

🥳

[brave hazel]

...the fucking host DC'd right at the end of a Raging Brach fight and I had to solo the fucking thing

Didn't end well and now I'm just pissed

[crude kayak]

oof

[brave hazel]

Second try has gone much better

I even got an Immortal Reactor!

[halcyon fractal]

nice

[brave hazel]

I am now one Raging Brach swaxe richer

Worth

[crude kayak]

ayy

We did alatreon hunt together, right Wamly? Or am I misremembering

[brave hazel]

I think so

Believe you and some folks here helped me out in clearing it

[tiny wind]

Apparentlyvi play bow now

[balmy swan]

it happens sometimes

[tiny wind]

I Onder if it will stick in iceborn or if i'll retur to spread HBG

[vocal haven]

In the trailer they said they could hunt with guild permission

I think it would be dope to encounter a monster but dont get guild permission yet so the objective is to flee/evade it

[tiny wind]

Yay that ould be poaching and the game ain't called Monster Poacher

On the other hand it male sense since most of the mobster we do hunt as guild quest are supposed to be threat to either human life or ecosystem in général. If the monster are just being chill in their home we don't hunt

[desert light]

Lorewise, we hunt view few monsters - the loop of going out and hunting is an impostion of the gameplay loop, rather than the reality.

HEck, you can find refrences in early games to guild assassins who kill poachers with things like a bowgun hidden as a parasol.

the guild takes poaching incredibly seriously.

Given poaching can end up in "Fatalis has decided to melt humans and wear their corpses as a fancy cloak... AGAIN", they've got good reason too

[winged crest]

And also general ecosystem preservation

[desert light]

Fatalis ius sort of the end result of rampant poaching, yes

in general hafl the reaosn you're hunting stuff like Jho etc is so that the ecosystem doesnt get dirsupted enoguh that the local Elder wakes up and decides to eat a village

[winged crest]

Jho can have little a ecosystem though

As a treat

[rich valve]

my only complaint with lala barina is that its lack of leg-adornments makes the fact that it's only walking on four legs (although it has six limbs) much more apparent than it was on rakna kadaki

(i cant really blame them though because more legs directly translates into more work for animators)

[winged crest]

Also, temnocerans just kind of follow that body plan already ever since nerscylla

[crude kayak]

And then hunt description be like - them monster were wailing at night and I want to get some sleep, KILL THEM ALL

[desert light]

Not gonna lie, i actually hate the goofy hunt descrptioons

for exactly this reason

I would much prefer the game leaned into the eco-system preservation and research angles

[crude kayak]

lala barina feels (from how it moves) very close to nerscylla, much more than rakna-kadaki was in world.

And I've hunted nerscylla just day before yesterday.

[desert light]

(I would not be sad to see Nersyclla back. quite the reverse! Actually i'd just like a lot of Mh4 stuff to make come back)

NIBBLESNARF

And give us another Snake Wyvern while you're at it

also Gog.

(Actually nibbles was tri, but anyway)

[crude kayak]

another thing I've hunted on that day

Let us feed em bombs again

Tho I feel "fishing" inside the fish might be a bit too silly for modern style monhuns

[vocal haven]

dung gaming

timer 👀 ? the technology

Small monsters can now attack bigger ones. also what we thinking of the health and stamina gauge look

[halcyon fractal]

WEHEHEEHEHEHEHEEHEHEEHEHEHEHEH

[vocal haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dNDhhJzQo

PERFECT GUARD GS

[rich valve]

honestly i dont love them in this screeshot but im sure ill get used to it fast and not notice

the wiggliness is not what i would have chosen

[real zodiac]

They announced armor appearance isn't gender locked

[vocal haven]

HUGE

having an ingame timer that you can actually quickly peek on will be nice

the perfect guard on the GS threw me for a loop.

also I saw that when breaking part you dont need to pick up the shiny orbs on the ground anymore, but they get insta collected into your bag?

[real zodiac]

Yeah looks like

[vocal haven]

ye the wigle is eh

I like the stamina bar

dont love the health wigle

[real zodiac]

POWER CLASH

[winged crest]

They should add the ability to flip off pack leader monsters

[halcyon fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-arrive-gif-25229198

ARMOR ISN'T GENDER LOCKED YOU SAY?

[teal halo]

WE ARE SO BACK

Monster Hunter once again proves that it will always be ballin

[vocal haven]

Have we seen a dual attack yet?

[teal halo]

Don’t believe so

[vocal haven]

I haven't seen it in the stream yet either i think

[teal halo]

I need to hunt I need to kill I need to chase down my prey until it cannot go on as my claws and teeth sink into its hide tearing and ripping it apart

[mystic cape]

Wait for real? Awesome!

[real zodiac]

They said as such on livestream at gamescom

[desert light]

WIAT WHAT!?

No seriously, that';s amazing

I am genuienly so happy, that dobuelx teh amount of fashion and meansiu can live my enby dreams much more easily

[teal halo]

It’s time to kill dozens of creatures so I can look incredible

[outer heron]

https://fixvx.com/shisyamoillust/status/1826228768639455578/photo/1

[stuck needle]

a Golden Kamuy/Monhun collab would be amazing

[winged crest]

put my boy xenomorph in there i wanna wear him

[desert light]

Okay, this is cool as hell

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1exoidf/the_changed_hp_bar_also_functions_as_a_warning/

[winged crest]

new feature: spider sense

btw any source on that gender-unlocked armor?

[stuck needle]

oh! that's why it's wiggly. it's an oscilloscope.

[snow helm]

https://old.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1exn5ib/just_confirmed_on_the_livestream_armor_types_are/

[winged crest]

YOOOOOO

[snow helm]

So it's really just two different styles for each set rather than genders

[outer heron]

yeah, slutty and gundam

as it always should have been

as it always was

[snow helm]

Note, however, that they're not just cosmetic option one piece you can flip between

You have to craft both a pair of greaves and craft a pair booty shorts if you want both options

[winged crest]

this opens up so many fashion options (changing just the greaves to female style)

[stuck needle]

masc 👏 hunters 👏 with 👏 boob windows

[winged crest]

Unironically, full helm female sets

[vocal haven]

i hope you can turn it off tho

[snow helm]

The designs on both of the newly revealed monsters go absolutely insane

I feel like I saw a lot of people worried by how understated/naturalistic the first three monsters revealed were but these feel really classic

Rey Dau, the flying wyvern, might be my favourite non-elder in the whole series

[brave hazel]

...be really fucking great if frostfang barioth's ice didn't make your character drop literally everything they're doing to wade around like a fucking idiot

God I hate fighting this thing

[umbral loom]

Fucking finally

Wilds is finally GotY

[mystic cape]

Just don't get hit 5head /jk

[snow helm]

It's so obnoxious I can hardly bring myself to farm it for the gear, I got the frozen fish and that's all I could manage before tapping out

[umbral loom]

PALICOS TALK NOW???

[outer heron]

you can toggle it

but yes

they showed that in the first trailer a couple months back, too

[umbral loom]

I'm sobbing, they're so cute

[mystic cape]

And they give environmental clues

[teal halo]

I will make my palico Meulin for reasons that I will not explain

[stuck needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1expejf/detailed_list_of_major_changes_and_features_from/

[outer heron]

i hope the gaijos means a great gaijos

crocodonk amphibian would be great

[brave hazel]

Hrmm

[stuck needle]

looks like bow coatings not being items is confirmed? which probably means bowgun ammo isn't either.

[outer heron]

huh, fascinating

[brave hazel]

Making an ultratank HBG build, is Defense Boost worth taking on it?

[outer heron]

not really

[brave hazel]

Or should I wear a spread boost charm instead

[stuck needle]

and someone else reports

I dunno how important it is but normal2 ammo on HBG is infinite.

[brave hazel]

Oh?

That's quite lovely

Though it does leave normal 1 in a somewhat less than advantageous spot

Cause that's literally all normal 1 has going for it, is its infinite supply

[brave hazel]

What I figured

[outer heron]

if you can get to the max threshold without compromising some damage, it gets more valuable the more points you have in it

but like

broadly speaking, you're better off just taking anti-cc and/or the monster's element

[brave hazel]

Aye

Are 4 shields worth taking or is it just a diminishing return after the third?

[outer heron]

dunno that part

not an hbg player, so can't really help with that

[brave hazel]

Debating 4 Shield/1 Close Range or 3 Shield/2 Close Range

[vocal haven]

Ngl even with the ice I vastly prefer frostfang to normal barioth

So there is like a perfect guard/evade seemingly on all weapons

[brisk dirge]

yeah it seems all weapons have some kind of defensive move now

[mystic cape]

Except LS, which had them before they were cool

[brisk dirge]

which is nice honestly

[brisk dirge]

there is always the chance of getting another new one 😛

[mystic cape]

If there is we'll hear about it, but so far nothing

Just the usual Foresight and Iai Spirit slashes

Though LS did get offensive upgrades in red mode

[brisk dirge]

hope ISS is gonna keep its more generous frames like in Rise

[mystic cape]

We'll be able to get a feel for it once the demo drops

[brisk dirge]

the Iceborne was a little too tight IMO
so curious how it'll go

[brisk dirge]

I'm gonna assume they're gonna try to funnel LS offensive output more into red, instead of just spamming Helmbreaker all the time

so presumably the idea is get into red, DPS for a bit, Helmbreaker to cash out
then repeat

[mystic cape]

TBF Helmbreaker seems to only be worth it in red anyway what with the new finisher eating up your yellow when you pull it off

[brisk dirge]

it already mostly was tbh

you didn't usually wanna Helmbreaker below red

big buff is also that you seemingly have a lot more mobility in the Spirit Slash combo now

and there's seemingly some new cancels out of the sheathe on Roundslash

[mystic cape]

Also you can sheathe during the helmbreaker jump to cancel if you lose the target

[stuck needle]

does that keep it from eating your meter?

[brisk dirge]

the bar used to get consumed when you do the slash, so I'd assume so

[stuck needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/comments/1exprek/official_monster_hunter_wilds_ui_basic_weapons/ the first couple pages are well-covered by the preview videos, but all the of the individual weapon pages have some new details
(source: https://capcom.ws-l.ink/monsterhunter/en/)

the Hunting Horn page shows one melody as "Echo Wave (Blunt)" which might imply other damage types are available??

looks like "offset" is their name for the attacks which interrupt monsters, like the greatsword "counter"

[vocal haven]

So DB has a new skill element added to it which I like

[stuck needle]

the demon dodge?

[vocal haven]

Ye

I mean it was there always in a form but I like the focus on focusing on it more

[mystic cape]

The meter is consumed if you do the falling slash, so sheathing it spares the meter

[mystic cape]

That new Spirit Charge is going to be interesting to work in to standard play. Use it when a monster is downed and you got yellow to go maximum effort and such

[brisk dirge]

it's an interesting move, yeah

go up a level immediately, but take a while to charge

[mystic cape]

Low key hope quick sheathe will be a bigger impact on Special Sheathe like it was in Rise

Oh shit I just realized something

So Doshaguma reopens wounds when it enrages, right?

According to Lore the same thing happens to Deviljho

So if it shows up it might have the same mechanic

[brisk dirge]

it was very nice, so I hope that comes back yeah

[wicked prism]

Oh, is armor not gender locked anymore?

[spring lily]

I wonder what the Inclemency period for the Scarlet Forest will be

Also nah it's no longer gender locked

[wicked prism]

Monster Hunter is now perfect

[mystic cape]

I am a bit worried about one thing, with Charge Blade the power axe mode is accessed by doing a Focus Attack, but that seems to be the only way to get into it which seems a tad limiting and would make it difficult to implement without significant change in future games that may not have the wound system.

[outer heron]

savage axe?

it's not focus-locked

or a dif thing

[brisk dirge]

yeah
it seems like armor will basically just have two styles now, and you choose which one when you craft the piece

[mystic cape]

Power Axe mode is only specifically mentioned in the focus attack tooltip which states it puts the weapon in Power Axe Mode, which then seems to be a prerequisite for that counter attack, unless I'm missing something in the move card

[outer heron]

maybe

still haven't seen all the info people've gotten from the demos

i just know that the-thing-that-looked-like-savage-axe was thought to be focus only and then confirmed otherwise

but maybe that's different from power axe

[vocal haven]

The thing I am worried about is that there are special drops based on the seasons/other factors and that it will be annoying to farm those if the factors are to spread out (day/night is fine but season might be a bit longer)

[mystic cape]

There seems to be drop rate differences between them

[solemn jay]

https://capcom.ws-l.ink/monsterhunter/en

capcom has a QR code with the game manual

someone posted the link to it

there's both "Focus" and "Offset" moves. It seems like Offset moves work like counters or parries

[stuck needle]

I'm really tickled that Hunting Horn's offset is a special melody. doot parry.

[mellow harness]

I wonder how item scarcity is going to work in wilds.

I don't know if camp restocking will be a thing, but if we have that, your separate seikret pouch, and the seikret pouch gets refilled periodically (as indicated by voiceline in today's livestream) are we just going to be completely inundated in consumables?

[outer heron]

seikret pouch just gets filled with what you're given at the start of a quest

[vocal haven]

i am wondering why then the swaxe has both a offset move and a move called counter

[outer heron]

like the box in prior games

it's just always on hand instead of in a specific box bc you're mobile

[mellow harness]

Ah

[outer heron]

so that's not more or less gubbins than usual

[brisk dirge]

ah that's neat

[outer heron]

seikret pouch might also let you restock, idk

[brisk dirge]

so no more needing to rush to the box each mission

[outer heron]

real interested in seeing what's going on with it though

esp. since normal 2s were infinite

[vocal haven]

with demon dodge is it finnaly time for full evade window gaming lessggo

[outer heron]

so bowgun ammo is a bit more ??? than normal

thunders had a count, but I think I remember seeing something weird going on with em

and infinite normals, if that also extends to normal 3s and/or pierce/spreads, would be massive

[vocal haven]

it does show infinite level 1 pierce and spreads on the sheet

[brisk dirge]

I'd honestly like to see ammo in general be not based on you having to actually buy/craft the ammo

you can probably still limit it somehow, I just don't think it having it be an extra money/resource sink for gunners is that interesting

[vocal haven]

or yoink those valuable farming spots

[brisk dirge]

bow coatings being a meter based resource now is already great

[stuck needle]

the manual talks about bow coatings somehow interacting with its charge meter, but it's not really clear whether you spend meters to get coatings or just to apply the ones you brought yourself. It'd be really weird if bowgun didn't work on similar lines

[brisk dirge]

my assumption is you just turn meter into coatings

since the meter can apparently be spent for some other stuff too

[vocal haven]

this is the funniest shit

[brisk dirge]

yeah that's GS alright

[stuck needle]

Lance's is good, too

[vocal haven]

Man it still kinda doesnt say what archdemon mode does / (also if in archdemon you lose access to demon dodge)

[outer heron]

wait a fuckin second

[vocal haven]

enhance some attacks and elements to be still vague

[outer heron]

that ain't three inputs

[stuck needle]

the fourth input is three thrusts

[outer heron]

that's a sextuple thrust

[stuck needle]

won't it probably be the same as archdemon mode in world?

[stuck needle]

a 200% thrust per thrust efficiency. that's value.

[vocal haven]

i hope not

archdemon in world kinda did nothing

[mellow harness]

I am of the opinion that the best way to handle items/ammo would to be giving the player access too a infinite supply before a hunt that let's you full up to your inventory limit, then when you enter a hunt you can't use the camps to refill items. Probably also make it so that as they progress through the game players can earn more pouch spaces, larger stacks, and add new items to the infinite supply.

resource gathering between hunts has not made me make interesting choices or provided fun gameplay so I would be happy to see it axed.

[vocal haven]

like this is so vague. it seems like there is no longer a "ghost punch" demon dance (the world one where you get locked in the animation for ages) and its broken up in 3 stages but using it consumes gauge, but if you are in archdemon it also consumes gauge but also enhances it

also it doesnt say what archdemon enhances besides this one thing (like does it enhance demon dodge?)

[stuck needle]

that's also a shorter combo, maybe it's just Blade Dance but Worse?

[brisk dirge]

yeah that's basically my stance

get a supply of ammo, and that's what you got for the hunt

[stuck needle]

from what we've seen, there's less of a distinct "not in a hunt" -> "in a hunt" transition. They've emphasized that the default way to start a quest is to go out and explore, then smack a monster in the field to start its quest

[vocal haven]

ye

shorter is better tho

not being animation locked is great

[brisk dirge]

huh, so it's basically all free exploration now

[vocal haven]

also just tell us which actions archdemon enhances. dont say "some" pls

also question

does anyone know if we finally get a single release?

and we dont have to wait on pc like for rise and world?

[stuck needle]

yeah, they were promising that as of the original reveal trailer

[stuck needle]

kinda, yeah! one thread mentioned there still being a quest board in town, but they seem to be chasing seamless exploration

[vocal haven]

also still have not seen anything on dual weapon attacks right?

[mellow harness]

Then have a endless item box (sans items you haven't unlocked yet) and disable it once a quest starts.

idk that might be cheesable since you can go hit another monster starting its quest, do a bunch of damage to the monster you want to hunt, then abandon your first quest, restock, and go start the quest for the actual target monster with damage carrying over

[desert light]

Taken from reddit

https://preview.redd.it/gh6ia6zbp0kd1.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=67ef0047d415fc2f7206aede909f176013ad4470

https://preview.redd.it/dztva6zbp0kd1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d7a7cc3a697fe2428a057b76cb6ba6095c974aa9

some bits not in the list

".You can pause the game in singleplayer again!

. You can pick up traps

. Monster parts are viewable in the field on the fly for seeing if it has the part you need"

[mystic cape]

https://fxtwitter.com/quirklessstoner/status/1826354893365674153?s=46&t=Oz2A-hCIZY-cm_NCFjVmJw

[brave hazel]

Wonder if the Thunderbugs are related to Zinogre's

[mystic cape]

Likely a relative species

[desert light]

Thunderbugs were a thing before Zinny

[outer heron]

also zinogre is fulgurbugs

[halcyon fractal]

I remember the great thunderbugs

They used to attack you in the ruined pinnacle of GenU

[halcyon fractal]

WYVERN'S FIRE... TWO

[real zodiac]

Looks like it doesn't guard while, tho

Based on some of the vids

[desert light]

Are there those for the other weapons?

[halcyon fractal]

yeah!