hell yeah
#Monster Hunter
full sage
gentle knoll
yeah i still like GU best of all entries of the game so far
rapid lion
I decided to go Further Crake Hunting, and found some much sooner this time around! Unfortunately I can only really catch two at a time, which is a shame because I need... I think like 10 more? Geez. (Although I might try to find a bristly crake instead.) Also: with a bit of finagling, I now have every canteen ingredient (except for the Iceborne booze) 😌
brave hazel
Bristly crakes aren't nearly as hard to find as downy crakes in my experience
They only spawn in like 5 places in the game that I know of, and you can just run around with a ghillie mantle until you find one,
brave hazel
Finally kicked tempered behemoth's ass
I feel no satisfaction from it
Just relief that I never have to look at Behemoth ever again
queen jewel
halcyon fractal
finally, another khezu hater 🤝
outer heron
I've said it before and I'll say it again, khezu is bad gigginox
or - gigginox is khezu but good
queen jewel
finally, another khezu hater 🤝
it's just paralysis and screaming with no unique or interesting gimmick
I mean, it's blind, which is kinda cool
but that novelty wears off kinda quick once it screams 5 times in a row then paralyzes you from 9 miles away
halcyon fractal
yeah
queen jewel
meanwhile
halcyon fractal
Its a good thing I have that one Gold Rath skill
queen jewel
primordial malzeno makes my boat float
halcyon fractal
the one that amps your defences and prevents loud roars/wind pressure/tremors from affecting you when the monster is enraged
queen jewel
or poison in rathian's case
I considered ranking kushala lower
its design is really its only saving grace imo
other than that it kinda just sucks to fight
"hehehe, stupidly strong armor and wind go brr"
halcyon fractal
🤔 wait do people really hate Shara that much?
or coral Pukei?
Or beotodus, despite being a fish?
queen jewel
I think shara is easily the worst fight in that game
it's the most symbolic of the biggest problem I have with most of the iceborne's story monsters later-on
they're stupidly tanky, and have overinflated damage values that just pad out the fight to try to have some percieved difficulty
halcyon fractal
i guess, though I will admit it is a very good spectacle fight
queen jewel
like, their design is kinda cool, when they're not encased in that stupid rock form
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhh
halcyon fractal
🤔 fair
halcyon fractal
I get the sand and the constant tremors and the bigass beams that can hit you across the arena are bad
but idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯
queen jewel
rise fixes the spectacle problem I had with BOTH shara and xeno'jiva
narwa was sick
gais was amazing
halcyon fractal
Its a spectacle for an anime-esque game, which works in its favor, at least imo
queen jewel
fair
halcyon fractal
tho I still prefer gaismagorm over the serpents any day
queen jewel
again, I do think shara would be fine if it were just the rockless form
halcyon fractal
personally I do like the creepy buddha/nirvana imagery it has in its second state
queen jewel
but 2/3rds of that fight is just "hee hoo I'm a big dumb rock that takes 0 damage and takes up half the arena lmao"
halcyon fractal
and the cool trick it does with the eyes being concave to make it seem like its following the camera
queen jewel
I do like that
halcyon fractal
😔 fair, i haven't fought Shara in ages
queen jewel
don't get me wrong
I do still kinda like shara
there are bits of its design I legitimately find cool
but
that fight makes me want to give myself a lobotomy with a 9mm round
but yeah, gais and (allmother) narwa really fix the spectacle problem I had with shara and especially xeno
halcyon fractal
oh yeah with xeno I can definitely state that the big baby dragon SUCKED to fight
queen jewel
they're awesome, challenging fights, they don't overstay their welcome, and the audio and visuals just fucking NAIL IT
every time proof of a hero plays when fighting narwa or gais, it just fills me with joy
be it the triumphant, uplifting version for narwa, or the slower, more sinister and somber rendition for gais
halcyon fractal
YEAH
I wish it was the same with Amatsu
with it playing a version of Proof of a Hero from 3rd gen
halcyon fractal
but I do enjoy fighting the big windbag
queen jewel
but where amatsu really nails it for me is the visuals
outer heron
i should probably play sunbreak at some point
queen jewel
all of its attacks look so fucking cool
this mf throwing sonic booms
but yeah
amatsu is neat
queen jewel
though the other monsters in top tier here are way cooler
queen jewel
oh yeah fr
halcyon fractal
or at least punishes you HARD for bad positioning
queen jewel
but the design is so cool
halcyon fractal
I have its bow
queen jewel
and the phases are all amazing
halcyon fractal
yeah
queen jewel
and it has one of my favorite things from kirin in MHW
you load into the quest, there's only one monster
there's none of the normal music
just an ominous track that sends chills up my fuckin spine
halcyon fractal
Yeah
queen jewel
like, it beat my ass over and over until I learned to dodge properly
real zodiac
Honestly I'll take Almudron over Jyura
brave hazel
It sucks that Leshen and Behemoth are Not Great, they're REALLY fucking cool
...god, especially tempered behemoth
Fucking "Charybdis Charybdis Charybdis Charybdis Charybdis Charybdis Charybdis"
Though ancient leshen is at least significantly easier with MR gear
queen jewel
It sucks that Leshen and Behemoth are Not Great, they're REALLY fucking cool
Cards on the table
I never fought those 😅
brave hazel
You're not missing out on much, besides the coolest looking kinsect in the game
queen jewel
Anyways uhhhhhhhhhh
Thoughts on my rise list?
queen jewel
You're not missing out on much, besides the coolest looking kinsect in the game
ew insect glaive
brave hazel
Valstrax in top tier
As is right and just
queen jewel
> Valstrax in top tier
As is right and just
brave hazel
~~ew insect glaive~~
Don't talk smack, I will sic my giant bug on you
rich valve
I did Behemoth but I think I never did the Witcher stuff, although it seemed neat
queen jewel
I did Behemoth but I think I never did the Witcher stuff, although it seemed nea...
Apparently there's a cool GS attached to it?
mystic cape
SnS
brave hazel
Yeah, the Witcher SnS is REAL neat
queen jewel
Mmh
brave hazel
Not very good though, you're better off layering it once you get layered weapons
queen jewel
I mean yeah
brave hazel
...or, well, it IS good, it's just Dragon element isn't really the best element you could be using
mystic cape
Depends on the fight
queen jewel
In world I onetricked hammer though I still haven't finished iceborne technically
In rise, I played hammer and HBG on my first save
Then bow with a splash of gunlance on my second
rich valve
I'm not sure theyre actually related in this way but I do think it's funny that they gave Safi'Jiiva Ecliptic Meteor
queen jewel
I still haven't fought safi, alatreon, or fatalis
The group I was playing with stopped just before safi
rich valve
I stopped playing before most of the Iceborne title updates too
same with Rise, I only did the post-launch content like two weeks ago 😅
will probably buy Sunbreak quite soon
queen jewel
same with Rise, I only did the post-launch content like two weeks ago 😅
will p...
I stopped after like, TU2 for sunbreak
But I've gone back to it more recently
as you can probably tell from my tierlist
I still need to fight amatsu a few times to get an armor piece, but short of that, the rest of the mixed set I'm making is from risen elders
So I gotta do a little grinding
rich valve
I haven't grinded up to HR100 for Valstrax but I figure that'll happen by itself during MR
queen jewel
I haven't grinded up to HR100 for Valstrax but I figure that'll happen by itself...
Pretty much lol
brave hazel
Damn this looks neato
brave hazel
Y'all know how I could mod this modded CB to make the currently invisible shield look like the shield that the Dante CB has?
It's kinda weird looking just blocking and charging with nothing
...though I suppose there's a certain amount of badassery in just blocking an attack with naught but your forearm
full sage
yep. rustrazor's claim to fame is using glavenus skulls to sharpen its claws, which also lets it use the same spin attack as glavenus.
it can also use gravios skulls.
here's a clearer render
brave hazel
Damn
That's fuckin cool
...though I must wonder, how does the jaw stay together without tendons or muscles...?
rich valve
the crab is very skilled at skull manipulation
halcyon fractal
congalala my detested, I hate both monkeys too
crude kayak
garangolm, the only ok monkey
outer heron
congalala my detested, I hate both monkeys too
call me frieza
there is not a single ape in monhun that i like
turbid moat
Unfortunately my quest for the Buff Gamma layered armor has poisoned my brain and Furious Rajang is a favorite fight now
crude kayak
turbid moat
I think its actually more fair than base rajang tbh
crude kayak
tbh I never thought of rajang as unfair
or other monkeys
I just dislike fighting them
played with a friend yesterday
their palico putting down a trap, into me stunning blangonga still in the trap, into some more damage on it and then immediately into capture
that was satisfying
weak gulch
If I remember correctly, Base HP is 100. Food can give +50 for 150 total. Health Boost skill can push it higher (+15/+30/+50), maybe endgame effects too.
Latent Power is pretty tough to justify since it takes a lot of damage, or waiting on the timer to activate for 120 sec (2 minutes).
brave hazel
Unfortunately my quest for the Buff Gamma layered armor has poisoned my brain an...
Furious Rajang is pretty fun
...more fun solo cause you don't have to worry about its aggro randomly swapping around though
queen jewel
doing some various anomaly investigations (~level 80ish) with an open lobby if anyone wants to do some hunting
QAW0HPA7rEKT0642
here's the lobby ID
twin ibex
Hm!!
brave hazel
It'd be my favorite beast if Rajang didn't exist
Fucking love that there's a whole world of wild and strange monsters and then there's just "electric gorilla"
mystic cape
Rajang has a tail, therefore still a monkey
rich valve
that's evidence of his proud saiyan heritage
brave hazel
True
Rajang is fucking hilarious
Literally just a super saiyan monkey, like Jac said
rapid lion
So in World, does Critical Boost work with Critical Element? It doesn't, does it?
crude kayak
So in World, does Critical Boost work with Critical Element? It doesn't, does i...
Raw and Elemental seperate iirc
weak gulch
So in World, does Critical Boost work with Critical Element? It doesn't, does i...
Critical Element seems to have it's own scaling based on weapon type.
https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Critical_Element_(Skill_Tree)
- Great Sword, Hammer, Hunting Horn, Heavy Bowgun: 1.5x
- Long Sword, Sword and Shield, Dual Blades, Lance, Gunlance, Switch Axe, Charge Blade, Insect Glaive, Bow: 1.35x
- Light Bowgun: 1.25x
brave hazel
Speaking of crit boost, is the full +40% boost worth it, or is it only really worth slotting for one level of crit boost?
rich valve
You either want to max it out if your crit is like >50% or ignore it entirely
as with many skills the tooltip is misleading, it is only adding 5% every level because the default is 1.25
mystic cape
40% is worth it
Yeah, it brings your crits from a x1.25 modifer to a x1.40, which is still a decent damage increase
It's why Affinity is the big focus in MR, the numbers get big enough that multiplicitives do more than additives like Attack Boost
brave hazel
Right, I'll have to find the room for it
I've gotta slot Agitator, Tenderizer, Crit Eye, and Evade Window...
...then again I can 100% remove some Crit Eye decos
mystic cape
Assuming you can reliability hit the softened head
What weapon are you building for again?
brave hazel
Charge blade mostly, sometimes greatsword, longsword, and SnS
I'm gonna make an entirely different build for my Spread 3 HBG
mystic cape
Then yeah, physical boosts will do it. Though you may want to hold off on Evade Window. It's useful, but learning monster timings for dodges and/or using Evade Mantle will handle it more often than not.
brave hazel
...Jesus god World's input delay is awful
I press dodge and it's only after I've finished clicking the button that the dodge actually happens
Fainted to a Velk because of it
mystic cape
Really? I don't remember having that issue.
brave hazel
It's probably mostly due to my framerate
I did hear that was an issue with low frames, input delays being atrocious
Can't really pump them up because I have a shitbox PC
brave hazel
You're the real monster here
void narwhal
small monsters have some divine urge to 100% charge into death
turbid moat
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823608715424825435/1205137481281052692/im...
Most accurate representation of Montana deer on our roads with default 80mph speed limit
brave hazel
Finally beat AT Nami
Now I can get me some robo arms
Make my character look like he's got some cybernetics
I don't care how out of place it looks these mfs are going onto all of my layered armor sets lmao
rapid lion
...I just always really like crit builds because the affinity crit noises activate the dopamine receptors in my brain. Also, Latent Power is not particularly good, but is it decent enough to justify running Teostra armor for the set bonus which prevents sharpness loss on critical hits?
Although Affinity builds are worse for me, since I don't own Iceborne and so Weakness Exploit is worse.
brave hazel
That Teostra armor skill is one of the best in the game
Especially since you should always build for crits, though somewhat counterintuitively you don't wanna build for full crit eye
Gonna want Tenderizer and Agitator with some crit boost, and a few levels of crit eye
Once Iceborne goes on sale I'm 100% buying it for you
$40 for a DLC is fucking outrageous, even if it's something as phenomenal as Iceborne
mystic cape
Yeah, you can get high enough crit without Latent Power
Especially if you use the clutch claw trick of smacking the monster in the face three times to force them to enrage for Agitator to proc
But yeah, for melee phys builds teostra armor is a must in most cases
At least until you unlock the set
turbid moat
Rathalos’s 2 piece bonus is also pretty high up there for a lot of weapons
mystic cape
For elemental builds it can
turbid moat
Like I think your stock Melee DPS until brachy for some, and then like. Raging brachy or the metallic raths is Rathalos + Teo
I mean the minds eye one while you’re doing progression, sorry
weak gulch
Then yeah, physical boosts will do it. Though you may want to hold off on Evade ...
I've stuck to Evade Extender instead to get out of the way entirely, though it may mess with your spacing.
brave hazel
They may look out of place anywhere but the full artian set, but DAMN do the artian arms look cool
rapid lion
Once Iceborne goes on sale I'm 100% buying it for you
I missed your message, but I think I would feel very guilty if I made you buy something for me; I know I've complained about it enough in here, and I that I should stop that. But... when it's on sale next, I should just either spend my money, or decide I'm not as interested in World at that particular moment and I shouldn't buy (part of) a game that I won't actually play.
Honestly I'll probably just farm Teostra right now, since I'm thinking about it; I don't really want latent power, but it seems like the most relevant of all of Teostra's armor's perks and I really want the set bonus.
mystic cape
What are the rest of the HR Teostra skills?
I'd just myself but the wiki ain't loading
Cause Latent Power is not the skill you want to get
halcyon fractal
How do you even activate latent power?
mystic cape
Take damage or wait for time to pass
halcyon fractal
huh
rapid lion
What are the rest of the HR Teostra skills?
Teostra has (with the Alpha version in parentheses):
Latent Power 1 (2)
Special Ammo Boost 2, (Latent Power 1)
Weakness Exploit 1 (2)
Blast Attack 2, (Weakness Exploit 1)
Latent Power 2, (Blast Attack 1)
I need to equip three of these.
Special Ammo Boost is probably very good, but I'm using dual blades. Weakness Exploit is a given, though I'm not sure if I'm making the alpha version, or the beta version and getting Weakness Exploit 2 from my chestpiece (It... might be optimal to make both, since the other chestpiece I'd be using has Free Elem, so I want to toggle between a Free Elem version and a normal version.) Then... do I take Blast Attack for when I sometimes use Twin Nails (and/or as a really janky way to get that third point of Weakness Exploit)? Probably not, since the Azure Rathalos waist has Windproof (not the most useful anti-stagger skill, but still very good) and I've also already crafted it. I'd go with the beta versions on more things, but I've yet to get any real decent decorations.
...oh, and just to add insult to injury, I have one teostra investigation, it has a 15-minute time limit, and I'm not confident in my ability to take out Teostra in just 15 minutes.
brave hazel
I missed your message, but I think I would feel *very* guilty if I made you buy ...
Oh naw I'd be buying it for you because I wanna, not out of any obligation to
rapid lion
By the way, I figured out a foolproof way to ensure Bazelgeuse doesn't show up and attack you! It's very simple, too. All you have to do is decide to hunt Bazelgeuse. This will immediately ensure that it flies across the entire map whenever you get close.
That said, since I managed to actually get a non-awful Teostra investigation, and I keep getting manes instead of horns (note: manes are, as far as I can tell, rarer), which three out of those teostra armor pieces are least bad?
I mean, I'm obviously including the arms (not sure which, though; depends on where else I'm getting Weakness Exploit), but after that, I will have some Latent Power. Even though it's not that good.
brave hazel
Damn, I'm looking positively regal
mystic cape
I mean, I'm obviously including the arms (not sure *which*, though; depends on w...
The waist piece has great slots as beta if you don't need the extra point in WEX
brave hazel
...I wonder
Are deer and elk and such native to the Monster Hunter setting?
Or is Ancient Leshen's skull from a completely unknown species?
I know there's anteka but those aren't quite the same
stuck needle
Huh. I figured it came as-is from the witcher dimension, but I actually don't know what kind of life cycle the leshen have. Is it their skull, or do they pick on up hermit crab style?
rich valve
People in MH are familiar with antlers, so they wouldn't be considered a mysterious and alien feature
They might not have a creature with the precise shape of antlers that the Leshen has, but on the other hand "this animal has differently shaped antlers to another animal" isn't weird :p
they'd find it to be a mysterious alien creature for all of the other reasons it is a mysterious alien creature
mystic cape
The Leshen and Acient Leshen got warped into World via a magic portal
Geralt came in the same way
rich valve
One thing I do appreciate in Monster Hunter is how very few creatures can just "do magic" (and the ones that can are Elder Dragons)
and the crossover creatures just... ignore this, which is also fun
undone bolt
i mean Kelbi are a thing
so presumably there are other ungulates hanging out that we just don't see much of
rich valve
Huh. I figured it came as-is from the witcher dimension, but I actually don't kn...
the inhabitants of the setting are also used to creatures wearing unusual skulls, given that hermitaur/cenataur are typically found with skulls significantly larger than the heads of the monsters those skulls come from :p/
mystic cape
the inhabitants of the setting are also used to creatures wearing unusual skulls...
Not to mention f*ckmothering Nakarkos
brave hazel
One thing I do appreciate in Monster Hunter is how very few creatures can just "...
For the most part, Monster Hunter is a grounded fantasy game. The monsters are fantastical, but there's plausible reasons they can perform their abilities. Zinogre has a symbiotic relationship with fulgurbugs, rathalos generates flammable fluids in certain organs, etc.
So anyway here's a fucking magical beast from a high fantasy setting that can summon comets and meteors, and a spirit of the forest from a dark fantasy setting who is explicitly EXTREMELY supernatural and outright considered a god by some.
...god I just wish behemoth was a better fight so bad
Needs more spell variety, maybe then it won't constantly spam Charybdis and Meteor
It really should've got Flare at least
rich valve
Zinogre commands lightning through symbiosis with insects, Tobi-Kadachi generates static electricty when its fur rubs against tree trunks, Kirin uh... fuck if we know
mystic cape
Elder Dragons are a different breed
undone bolt
hehe funni hors
void narwhal
First Hunter to witness Rajang just absolutely maul a Kirin must've been shook
tiny wind
Love the funny super saiyan monke
I hate them
brave hazel
Man
I wish I knew how to mod
Cause I kinda wanna change the Artian set to look like V1 and Dante's Devil Sword to look like the Moonlight Greatsword from Bloodborne in World
mellow harness
Something I really like about fatalitis'es design is that the Long and sort of snakelike body invokes a depiction of dragons much more common in historic times rather than contemporary fantasy. Back when "dragon" was something often synonymous with devil or Satan.
torn perch
hey, I strongly recommend everyone here run their monster hunter squads through the rotwood demo: #video-game-discussion message
brave hazel
God this is cool looking
I do kinda prefer the red color of the regular Safi armor, but damn if that isn't an awesome cape
mystic cape
Hell yeah
twin ibex
Hm
brave hazel
Hmm
On the topic of elder dragon classification
I'm pretty sure in universe they outright admit it's just a classification for beasties they don't understand
Or ones that don't fit in with any other taxonomies of monsters in the world
twin ibex
How... is chemelos hard to understand
brave hazel
Not hard to understand, but how many other monsters do you see that are similar to it?
twin ibex
Hmm
mystic cape
It's the classification for "fuck if we know how it creates tornadoes"
Like obviously we know Chameleos and poisonous and turns invisible, but the mechanics? Why mist, and why the horn and tail are important, those are question marks
Also it has the Elder Dragon body type of 4 legs and a pair of wings
Not all Elders have it but only Elders have it
Not counting combo wing/legs like Tigrex
Talking a full 6 limbs
real zodiac
Hexapods
full sage
rapid lion
Elder dragons are weird because it's definitely a wastebin taxon, but at the same time there's certain morphological similarities like having six limbs (except when they don't), and an unusual reaction to dragon element, and something that makes scoutflies turn blue.
They outright say it's a wastebin taxon! But then it doesn't act like that.
Meanwhile "wyvern" is clearly a taxon and doesn't just mean "large monster" since scalebats are apparently wyverns. But it's very broad given that there's almost no common morphological traits shared among all wyverns.
outer heron
"wyvern" is a fascinating classification because it also includes the humanoid wyverians
and the assorted MonHun books have given us like
taxonomical relationships
between different wyverns
and then there's also the fanged beasts, which presumably are related to humans in the same way wyverians are to other wyverns?
but then the "herbivore" class includes things you'd expect to be either wyverns or beasts
halcyon fractal
does this mean, if Wyverns are related to Wyverians, and vice versa, that the Wyverians lay eggs?
(/j)
mystic cape
Probably
brave hazel
I wouldn't put it out of the question
real zodiac
I think elder dragon has at least one true taxon inside it
mellow harness
playing throuhg world on my second playthrough and i think jho migh be harder than all the elder dragons
at least nergigante and teostra, i fought val and kushala with much better gear last time around so im not sure.
weak gulch
I've found Jho to be worse than Nergi and Teostra yea. Jho's really relentless with attacks, and covers a wide area with the longer windup attacks (hipcheck, dragon breath).
brave hazel
Oh yeah, Jho's way harder
And I don't think any of his gear is even that good
I can't remember about regular but I know savage jho weapons have GODAWFUL affinity and pretty mid damage
stuck needle
the horn's nice, at least in high rank
weak gulch
I think Jho's high rank weapons are intended for high rank endgame builds. Has massive raw damage in exchange for negative affinity, and gets white sharpness easily with handicraft.
https://mhworld.kiranico.com/en/weapons/QgsVjFpP/grunge-storm
brave hazel
But when Master Rank exists, what's really the point of high rank endgame builds?
Besides maybe challenge runs
weak gulch
Savage Jho weapons are less great because of MR's added monsters, I guess it can work as an in-between option for high Elderseal on melee.
Mmm, seems the Mamimum Might nerf made the negative affinity more harsh to deal with.
outer heron
But when Master Rank exists, what's really the point of high rank endgame builds...
master rank didn't exist until the DLC
that was the point
mellow harness
Ive been grinding deviljho because i want to get good practice in and damm if he isnt pushing me.
and this is at least the 3rd time in a row fighting him that ive had a bazelguse show up and aggressively come after both of us. 2 turf wars every time. Its actually kinda annoying because i want to get to the point where i actually beat him, not 75% beat him and 25% from the guse. Although i guess me going for the slay every time instead of the capture is adding a extra approx 20% hp on there.
its rough with gs because jho is so big and so, flaily with all of his movements, even when down, so that my TCS usually only lands the first hit, and my jumping wide slash often overshoots through his legs.
real zodiac
Unforch, minding other peoples bznz is exactly Bazel and Jhos entire deals
woven tree
Elder dragons are weird because it's *definitely* a wastebin taxon, but at the s...
So there's some category of being that's broad and is filled with six limbed difficult to understand monsters, so they collectively fall under elder dragon
outer heron
not all elders have six limbs even
halcyon fractal
Some, like Nakarkos, have a LOT of limbs
rich valve
Unforch, minding other peoples bznz is exactly Bazel and Jhos entire deals
I've been playing Rise and I miss Jho and Bazel being assholes (well, Deviljho isn't even in it), hope that they are back on form in Wilds
mellow harness
Unforch, minding other peoples bznz is exactly Bazel and Jhos entire deals
sorry for the late reply,
its just really wierd that its happened to me like 3 times in a row
are bazelguse invades more common on jho fights? or just more common in general?
real zodiac
Bazel and Jho are both invaders
They actively patrol the map looking for monsters and yourself to fight
turbid moat
pray you never get jho/rajang/goose on one map
undone bolt
don't forget Steve!
mystic cape
I wish that had a three way turf war
undone bolt
(seregios)
brave hazel
Y'all know anywhere I can find squads for stuff besides Reddit?
Can't ever find squads for Safi and I'm too dogshit at the game to solo him
mystic cape
Have you tried searching for online sessions?
mellow harness
I will never understand how devs look at gathering quests with no obstacle, or quests to fight small monsters, and say "yeah that seems like engaging gameplay, make them do that for basic upgrades for things like farms and the cantina"
i gues their supposed to be a relaxing, take a walk aroudn the enviroment sort of thing?
brave hazel
How I view them
Honestly I enjoy them, they're a nice change of pace from the usual "go beat up X monster for its lunch money"
Nice to just amble around the environment and soak in the sights
stuck needle
I think some of them might be to give you a chance to learn the maps?
outer heron
yeah
gathering quests are mostly there to be palate cleaners for the tense action gameplay
and an unobtrusive tour guide around some of the different zones of a map
rich valve
gathering quests with unlocks tend to come pretty shortly after you unlock the map in question I am pretty sure
although the same is not always true for like... Deliver One Egg
undone bolt
they're also a bit of a holdover from when you couldn't just free-roam in the hunting areas
so even if you wanted to just head out and do some mining or whatever you needed to take some kinda quest
mellow harness
I would rather not have a mechanical reward for low pressure wandering the maps, rather than be forced to do low pressure wandering the maps when i dont want to do that or not get a reward that effects basic things like canteen ingredients or farm capacity.
turbid moat
this is probably up there for funniest possible first alatreon attempt
weak gulch
Picking up Hammer again in Iceborne MR, feels really great when you get a feel for all of it's attack options.
brave hazel
this is probably up there for funniest possible first alatreon attempt
Nice
Shame the Alatreon kit is... kinda crummy
But you CAN use that to make the layered armor!
Which looks real neato
mellow harness
holy shit
female armor with covered thighs
i may rock this as a layered set when i get to guiding lands.
ooh the kushala female set also looks great, gives me real rogal dorn vibes.
the only problem is i would have to repeatedly fight kushala daora
brave hazel
Wow, female armor that isn't grossly oversexualized, what an occasion
turbid moat
Frostfang barioth is also good for that
Savage Jho armor is horny but in a better way than Average Female Armor I think
brave hazel
It's leather horny, which is infinitely superior to male gaze horny
queen jewel
queen jewel
Khezu in D?
it's kinda just a paralysis monster that screams a lot
its more unique than the others in D, hence top of D, but still annoying as sin
brave hazel
Valid
queen jewel
Valid
also
shoutout to that one bloodborne speedrunner that quit playing rise because of LR khezu
rich valve
not playing music is a cute bit but i like to hear the music
turbid moat
I love my son made of uncooked chicken
naive elk
https://youtu.be/xt5yBib9Zas
fucking Khezu
stray oriole
I don like that thing
naive elk
the fact that almost every Khezu weapon features its head in some way is so valid
stray oriole
Freyja did you feel the Glaive was missing impact in Rise?
naive elk
the craftsman has a vendetta against that bastard of a beast
naive elk
Freyja did you feel the Glaive was missing impact in Rise?
the bug is fucking slow
maybe it's just me using the wrong bug
stray oriole
Thats it
naive elk
i use the dual extract bug in rise cause it's so much more convenient to grab extracts that way
stray oriole
Nah when I first started i was so ready to get back into it and attack helicopter everything but it just felt off?
naive elk
and it's insanely slow compared to the butterfly i use in World
stray oriole
Mmhm I think thats what I was using by MR i had a sleepy one and an explosive one
I'd play again, this would be a choice place to look for a group. Since none of my friends play.
naive elk
this is my world hunter btw, also my Palico
brave hazel
Could use some help with Safi
I need more dracolite for my Shattershield and I need me a burstcannon
stray oriole
How far are you in World?
"Done" I guess. I never got to do kulve taroth because i couldn't find anyone to queue with. But everything else plus dlc "done". As done as you can be with monster hunter.
naive elk
could do it now
also a tip, you can join lobbies which are dedicated to fighting whatever raid is up during the week
still so fucking satisfying to look at my build 😌
brave hazel
also a tip, you can join lobbies which are dedicated to fighting whatever raid i...
Where can I find them at?
brave hazel
could do it now
Slick, I'll send a lobby code
naive elk
Where can I find them at?
you can search for lobbies looking to hunt specific monsters
stray oriole
I'd be happy to join someday, good hunting gamers 
naive elk
haven't played World in a while
naive elk
love getting hit with Sapphire Star twice in a row only to be bailed out by time up
brave hazel
Damn, dude really joined a Safi lobby just to fucking solo the big scaly fuck
Respect, honestly, I wish them luck
mystic cape
Have you beaten Alatreon?
brave hazel
I have, aye
mystic cape
What weapons do you typically enjoy?
brave hazel
Charge blade, heavy bowgun with spread, sword and shield, insect glaive, and greatsword
Trying to get into longsword, though it's not going great
mystic cape
Hard to go wrong really
Though IIRC the Safi CB has a fun detail on the shield and thus the axe form
brave hazel
The lil eye, yeah
Idk when it opens specifically, cause I swear I've seen it open sometimes
weak gulch
Might be related to powered up shield
brave hazel
I've charged up the shield a bunch, never seen it open
I activate savage axe a lot too, and I've only ever caught glimpses of an open eye
It's weird
naive elk
I'm on brachy weapons personally
Really tried to optimize my build as much as possible
mellow harness
got deviljho down from 35 min to 25 min today. returned to charge blade after playing greatsword, wonderfully mobile weapon with a lot of options. Still not sure if i know how best to use axe mode though.
this was on my old pc character and i dont have icebourne on pc, once i go back to icebourne on my ps4 i should try charge blade with savage axe, seems to resolve that problem as you get more use for your phials that isnt the incredibly commital SAED i could have sworn the savage axe moves used phials.
idk, with regards to jho in particular, i feel like im not really learning much, i know my time is going down but im still churing through mega potions becasue of how many of his attacks sneak up on me and how many openings i try to take but cant succsesfully because i dont know how to read his time between attacks.
weak gulch
From what I've experienced, Jho's attacks especially punish trying to stay away instead of staying under/really close. Has really unusual hitzones during enraged state.
brave hazel
Got me some real nice rolls on my Burstcannon today
Only really took the deviation suppressor so the Wyvernheart would actually be useable without cutting into my Close Range Up mods
mellow harness
From what I've experienced, Jho's attacks especially punish trying to stay away ...
his shoulder check might as well be 25% longer and wider than his whole body.
mellow harness
omg
im finally having fun again
just got to end base world+icebourne, and Ive been ramming my head agaisnt monsters and feeling like a ideot for a while now using gs, but i switched back to CB (which i did for my first playthrough) and its so fun
im still making a lot of stupid mistakes but now i dont hate every moment of the fight when im struggling
rapid lion
I just beat Vaal Hazak; I remembered it being very hard, but I did way better than I expected?
mystic cape
Vaal's one of those monsters where the difference in a first time and a 10th time is very noticeable
mellow harness
vaal is wierd because their movements are slow and easy to work around, but their effluvium is incredibly powerful and their farily tanky to boot.
mystic cape
Yeah, the effluvium debuff is a bastard if you get hit
Also the psychological factor of it being a motherfucking zombie
rapid lion
I fought them a good bit, then ended up not playing world for a long time... honestly? I mostly credit my victory to having lucked into getting 2 miasma jewels somehow (some of my only decorations that actually do anything)
mystic cape
Nulberries also counter the effect
rapid lion
I... did not know that. I somehow avoided it proccing? Vaal telegraphs stuff decently well.
mystic cape
Also true
...I'm pretty sure it's Nulberries anyway, maybe it's Astera Jerky?
TBH it's been a while
mellow harness
nullberries
mystic cape
googles Yeah, it's Nulberries
mellow harness
although that doesent give you the hp back, just the hp cap.
mystic cape
MH kinda defaults to those for weird statuses
mellow harness
so if your at full health its like taking 50% of your health in damage.
so lots of mega potions
mystic cape
That or building into the Vaal healing factor
mellow harness
oh god i have so many ingredient gathering quests to catch up on
and that means so many long ps4 loading screens
brave hazel
...god I hate that I have to craft each Alatreon weapon to max to layer it
mystic cape
What are you willing to sacrifice for fashion?
mystic cape
If you're confident you could have Plunderang to try and ease the burden
brave hazel
Issue being, it needs rare stuff for a max rank Alatreon weapon
Direwings, skyswayers, gems...
I can at least meld the gems but everything else is gonna be a huge pain in the arse
mystic cape
Plunderang can still help
turbid moat
I can at least meld the gems but everything else is gonna be a huge pain in the ...
Honestly I’d be down to try farm alatreon if you need emotional support
I am ready for Mickey’s Dick Smasher
Just gotta finish augmenting the kjarr CB
brave hazel
Eh, I can brute force it
It'll just be kind of annoying
Cause I REALLY don't like Alatreon
...what I dislike more is this game's fucking awful netcode
Who coded this, holy shit
Internet stutters even briefly and you get completely booted out of the lobby and quest and into offline mode
mellow harness
fighting viper tobi yesterday confirmed tobi as one of my favorite monsters. such a fun dance of movement between me and them. It was a little painful with all the poison, but that could have been resolved if i brought more herbal medicine and herbal medicine ingredients.
weak gulch
With Viper Tobi in particular I think slotting at least (+1 Poison Resist for roughly 1/2 poison damage) is a good idea with every tail attack (+ spikes) inflicting poison.
gentle knoll
Sounds like a good fight to carry an antidote horn to
brave hazel
Wish hunting horn melodies were more customizable
Like, you can change the songs based on the note types of a horn
gentle knoll
i meant hunting horns with antidote songs but also yeah horn items would be fun to see a return of
and also as always, wishlisting SNS oils to return
crude kayak
Oh, wait, just one oil
and even that as a wirebug skill I think
brave hazel
Still relevant though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjOL9XYk07k
frank epoch
Pour one out for your boy. I just beat Fatalis in Iceborne for the first time, after dozens of attempts, and as the "return to base" timer is ticking down, my computer power cycles and shuts off
brave hazel
Pour one out for your boy. I just beat Fatalis in Iceborne for the first time, a...
At that point I'd just cheat in a win, you 100% are well within your rights to do so
Jesus Christ, that's unfortunate
mystic cape
Yeah, you got that win, not your fault technology did a fuck
frank epoch
I don't know how to cheat in a win lmao
naive elk
i'd probably just download a mod for a cheat weapon and do a hunt like that
mellow harness
finished nightshade palomu and coral pueki. Do they run from zome to zone a lot compared to other monsters? becasue it felt like they did
frank epoch
They can, yeah
frank epoch
Ask me how many times this dual blades user died in this five faint fatalis hunt
frank epoch
||6 times. We had Felyne Safeguard||
naive elk
Strongest Dual Blade user
mellow harness
barioth is my new wall
also, the thing im learning about health boost, is that while its great to have a massive health bar, that means that when fighting a strong monster, you can spend all your time trying to chug mega potions because after 2 bad hits you need 2 full pots to get back to full
and boy is the monster not going to give you those oportunities easily
mellow harness
FUCK YES
gottem with the capture!
damm
deviljho was my last wall and while they took less time to get, the fight with barrioth was much more fun when i got used to the moves
brave hazel
Oh Barioth is fucking awful, good job beating them
naive elk
Barioth sucks but Frostfang Barioth has the sweetest fucking drip ever
mystic cape
And good ice weapons to use if you can't get ||Kjarr|| for ||Alatreon||
brave hazel
Aye
mellow harness
Oh Barioth is fucking awful, good job beating them
every tail swipe i dodged in the wrong direction, it was so painful, i tried to stop but it was like, a instinctual reaction that happened before my concious mind was able to direct things.
the vertical jump+teeth slam attack and their tornados also fucked with me a lot, even on the run where i got it. sometimes i dodge but sometimes those big radiuses on the hitboxes caught me by suprise. and at my current level of armor thats a mega potion and a half to recover from.
the shoulder check being short range and not including their tail was a refreshing change of pace from deviljhos trauma inducing, sideways-bus-skidding-down-the-highway shoulder check. Like that shit was so bad i began panic rolling away from repositioning movements made by monsters who dont have a shoulder check out of panic.
naive elk
My main hunting fit uses Frostfang Barioth gear
brave hazel
I use this mod to enhance my drip even further
https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/6940?tab=description
brave hazel
im personally eying kushala beta for my layered armor
Oh Kushala Beta+ FUCKS
It's one of my favorite armors
mellow harness
ooh
i was expecting barioth to take a while becase ive heard him described as a wall, im realizing now just how hard icebourne might be after doing glavenus
took a 2-3 failed attempts to learn his moveset well enough, and my succsessful run was 35 min and like 14 mega pots for a capture.
im wondering if i should be tenderizing more, i just went for the head, but i think more of my hits where on the body.
mellow harness
i was expecting barioth to take a while becase ive heard him described as a wall...
maybe i reacted to soon since i captured narcacuga first try with no feints and only 5 mpots
i am allowing myself to be a little smug about this
brave hazel
...oh my god
I think I'm officially a convert to the Church of Gunlance
This is fucking amazing
mellow harness
havent touched rise but i still know that the gunshot dodge move has to be in wilds 100%
weak gulch
im wondering if i should be tenderizing more, i just went for the head, but i th...
Definitely when you can on spots you're focusing.
Also, flinch shots on flying monster's heads (outside of enrage) make them dive down, which you'll probably need with the MR Flash Bomb changes.
turbid moat
im wondering if i should be tenderizing more, i just went for the head, but i th...
with the exception of specific monsters on specific gunlance builds, tenderizing is far less optional in iceborne. Glavenus needs you to break his tail twice to get a sever and make it stop becoming 50ft dunkmaster every few seconds
weak gulch
Glavenus sucks to tailbreak because it only counts when (the tail blade) heated
turbid moat
and then there's this whole little game of it needing to be heated up for the second break to actually happen, and smacking his head constantly makes him go to light up the tail more frequently, etc.
mellow harness
with the exception of specific monsters on specific gunlance builds, tenderizing...
Ooh, I didn't realize you did 2 breaks on the tail. I thought damaging it was all you got lest severing the blade bake away half their moveset
full sage
it's really sick in gu since it isn't too too hard to break and so you can break it with a parry move since all the attacks are so telegraphed
turbid moat
Ooh, I didn't realize you did 2 breaks on the tail. I thought damaging it was al...
first break can be done before its heated, second break (the sever) has to be done while heated
mellow harness
and then there's this whole little game of it needing to be heated up for the se...
Hitting the head makes them heat up the blade more? God there are so many details to learn
turbid moat
Iceborne starts getting pretty sick with how much is going on
Water weapons become huge because they counter a lot of the fucked up stuff monsters do even if say, ice does more elemental damage
Give brachydios a bath and turn off his snot coatings, meaning almost no chance of nova and much smaller charged attacks in general
full sage
undone bolt
fwiw you can damage the tail to its breakpoint while it's cool
you just have to deal the finishing blow while it's heated
brave hazel
Need some advice, y'all know any pants that go well with the Direwolf chest and waist?
I've been using Origin for a while and it looks fine, but I want something that looks better
Got the arms and head covered at least, using Artian arms to simulate prosthetics and a brigade hat because it's one of my favorite head armors
mellow harness
ive moved on to brachy and im trying to figure out how to properly tenderize him
his head and arms are the 3 areas i can most consistently, except for the legs, but every time i try and claw the legs it hits the tail instead.
but thats 2-3 tenderizes i need to maintain uptime on
brave hazel
Yeah you can't tenderize his legs I don't think
You can for raging brach, though
Which is weird
brave hazel
Y'all got any tips for catching a wintermoon nettle?
mystic cape
You need to reach one of the highest points on the map and it'll spawn there
frank epoch
Be patient. It takes a while. There's a felyne skill you can eat for to make it more likely to appear. Felyne Zoo something
turbid moat
but thats 2-3 tenderizes i need to maintain uptime on
You absolutely do not need to tenderize all 3. You may wanna do it once in a row for a fast fuckin wallbang, but its better to hit 1-2 and then focus that part until you get a break
You can’t completely shut brachy off without a water weapon but you get yourself lots of wiggle room (and extra chances for a mantle which you’ll want, brachy is like bar none best progression armor in base iceborne for nearly every weapon)
The only reason you’d spread damage is with a water weapon to keep clearing snot
mellow harness
You absolutely do not need to tenderize all 3. You may wanna do it once in a row...
It's mainly that If I only go for one arm or a arm and head, brachly pivots often enough that I can't hit the the tenderize one consistently. Maybe I can use sliding slash to maneuver from one side to another? But that's risky
frank epoch
man AT Velkhana hits like a truck
brave hazel
...god I fucking hate Blackveil Vaal
I hate the effluvia status in general tbh
Which is where 90% of my hate stems from
frank epoch
I always gem in some effluvia resist for the vaal fights. Really trivializes the fight and cheap to fit
brave hazel
Don't have room for it
frank epoch
3 lv 1 slots?
brave hazel
Those are reserved for Vitality Boost and Crit Eye
And I don't have any MR gems with Effluvia Resist
Can't use a charm either, gotta have my agitator charm
frank epoch
3 ranks of crit eye is like 10% affinity or something I think? 2.5% damage drop on average, 4% if you have crit boost 3
4% damage drop to not have to deal with Effluvia at all sounds like a steal to me
frank epoch
I see
brave hazel
Which I really cannot get rid of
frank epoch
Yeah those are harder to replace
turbid moat
Which I *really* cannot get rid of
I would try without agitator charm, maybe swap gear somewhere for brachy pieces—there’s a few that get you 3 levels on their own
Effluvia resistance is really not optional for BVVH, the dandruff aura will annihilate you
I thiiiink fully-built-out glavenus weapons can help a lot because they’ll have deco slots over the rathalos ones
mellow harness
when yall where making you way through the icebourne story, how many healiing items where you typically using?
i feel like im doing something wroing right now because aside from a few exeptions, im going throuhg like 14 mega pots and i have my palico with vigorwasp.
mystic cape
MR monster hit hella hard, so you need to git gud at dodging or blocking
weak gulch
Packing more healing items than base World, and needed to upgrade my armor around Glavenus because Iceborne dosen't raise the cap of lower rarity armor as easily.
mystic cape
It might be a good idea to consider swapping from relying on MegaPots to Max or Ancient (depending on your stock of combining items) since they're faster and are full heals meaning you need fewer total, barring getting absolutely bitch smacked from orbit of course
mellow harness
i dont have a lot of the combining items for those potions, just the potions themselves. so i use them but sparingly
weak gulch
Oooh yea, Max Potions are really easy to get in World once your farm is up and running. Lifepowder/Dust of Life heal less but faster, and affects allies/palicos/ect too.
turbid moat
i feel like im doing something wroing right now because aside from a few exeptio...
Definitely worth doing a kelbi hunt or two. If you’re getting thru hunts you’re getting thru hunts, I wouldn’t worry until you’re still trying to do that in like Alatreon.
My biggest advice is honestly just swapping off the vigorwasp and reacclimating. Coral Orchestra or Spireshield can honestly save you more HP over a hunt
mellow harness
My biggest advice is honestly just swapping off the vigorwasp and reacclimating....
i need to do the grinding to get there, i havent unlocked any of the others. but i can do that
im just... i dont mind the grind but often i find the things monster hunter makes you grind dont challenge you and dont make you make intresting choices or have levels of skill to them, they just take time.
and after grinding ingredients and low rank jyratodus for a new weapon, im grinded out for a couple of days i think
i think i can get at least through tigrex and brachy in that time
turbid moat
i need to do the grinding to get there, i havent unlocked any of the others. but...
After you get those unlocked tbh the worst of your farming woes is over until the climb to MR100 and Grinding Lands augmentations
Post IB story you dont have to ever farm for consumables materials, you just like. Kill an event zinogre once or twice a month and then go spin the steamworks ten thousand times
mellow harness
i think tigrex is teaching me that im at the point i cant just attack the monster and dodge their moves, their fast enough that i need to wait for their attacks to give me a opening lest they act faster than my recovery frames and rock my shit
frank epoch
i think tigrex is teaching me that im at the point i cant just attack the monste...
Something that can be helpful to learn is to treat MonHun like a turn based game. Play a bit conservatively, scout out the monster's moves, and you'll figure out when you can take a "turn".
Wait for the monster to take a "turn", then punish
turbid moat
i think tigrex is teaching me that im at the point i cant just attack the monste...
Live Tigrex Gameplay
It is literally the worst offender in the game for turn-based gaming, dont feel bad lmao
Even its fucked up MR70 variant is less like that
But its very good for breaking bad habits
rich valve
I haven't got there yet but on a similar vein I assume eventually in Sunbreak I am going to hit a point where using Greatsword Rage Slash hyper armour and damage reduction to tank through hits just isn't going to cut it :p
frank epoch
Idk I've seen a bunch of speedruns and it seems like it does just fine especially with a health augment or whatever it is in Risebreak
rich valve
speedruns will probably all be using Strongarm Stance I expect
I just don't like switching gears to Greastsword suddenly being about doing Counters and nothing else 😔
turbid moat
I haven't got there yet but on a similar vein I assume _eventually_ in Sunbreak ...
Rise is… very different to every other game and you do tend to just tank and counter everything for optimal play
Part of why I dislike it honestly
rich valve
Rage Slash through attacks with 360 degree rotation as it comes out is definitely spoiling me compared to missing 70% of my TCS swings
I don't enjoy Strongarm Stance which is the actual counter, it's just kind of not what I picked the weapon for, but unfortunately it's what all of the "meta" advice is going to be about using
I do expect that the absurd mobility everyone has will be curbed a lot in Wilds, which will feel odd but is going to be for the better
frank epoch
I could not vibe with Rise. I know Sunbreak made it better but it just did a ton of things I didn't like
Like. Hunting Horn
If they don't revert hunting horn in wilds I'm gonna be inconsolable
mystic cape
I'd put money on them reverting since the side games rarely have lasting effects on the franchise
frank epoch
I sure hope so. Though I would like to see GU's double note system return
mystic cape
And I'd like Valor LS combo back but here we are
frank epoch
Really hope Echo Notes come back
Unironically probably the best thing to happen to Hunting Horn maybe since 4th gen
Actually allows you to do status and element builds pretty well
full sage
...in retrospect, being really into adept and valor back in gu is probably why I disliked world to the point of skipping out on iceborne and enjoyed risebreak significantly more
cyan tulip
frank epoch
See I loved GU and liked Worldbore a ton but I just couldn't stand Risebreak
Felt way too fast for me. There were definitely parts I enjoyed but I liked how previous titles were more deliberate. They struck a good balance for me personally
Or rather, I couldn't bring myself to like Rise after playing it a lot. The Hunting Horn changes along with the other stuff soured me enough to where I didn't get Sunbreak
I do think a lot of GS stuff in Risebreak looked very cool though
rich valve
I like the monster variety in Rise and especially Sunbreak a lot more than World, but I like a lot of the other map stuff a lot more in World
I didn't really play GS much before Rise, I like to pick up different weapons for different games, so all I can say is that i enjoyed the "make big slow swings and then put your sword away" gameplay more than I like the Sunbreak meta of "use your overpowered counter move", but its fine because I will simply not use the meta setup
the only games i have played are Tri, World, and Rise, and Tri was long enough ago that my memories are all nostalgic and also I sucked at video games so I can't make useful comparisons
full sage
for the longest time, I thought I really disliked the map design in world, but eventually I sat down, actually thought about it for a bit, and then came to the conclusion, "you didn't hate the map design of world, you just dislike scoutflies and the ancient forest so bad it colored your perspective of the entire game, literally every other map is fine"
frank epoch
Yeah I don't like Ancient Forest either
Neutral on scoutflies
Just take away wirebugs and mantles and clutch claw and give me back hunter arts
rich valve
Base Rise's maps are mostly just a little charmless, Sunbreak's pair are a bit better
I hope the concept of Endemic Life sticks around though, Marionette Spider my beloved
real zodiac
I loved aerial pizza cutter in risebreak
(Charge blade with condensed spinning slash, axe hopper and air dash)
brave hazel
Found my first moly today
frank epoch
Moly?
frank epoch
It's a pain in the ass!
at velkhana is (part of) how you get that layered armor
it's certainly the hardest part. it's like one at velkhana ticket, 5 hero king coins (from certain arena quests), a velkhana crystal, and something else
brave hazel
Chrissake's
I thought having to do those shitty arena quests was bad enough
...though honestly I'd rather fight AT Velk than do those quests
frank epoch
see, you say that
brave hazel
At least AT Velk you can use gear that isn't underleveled dogshit
frank epoch
that's the thing, even with fatalis gear she's hard as hell
for the arena quests you can do the yian garuga one and i just did it with a hammer, super easy
brave hazel
...so I found someone to do an arena quest with
And for some fucking reason the yian gargua had a MINUSCULE health pool
Like it felt like it had the HP pool of a great jagras
Idk if that was cheats or not but shit, dude, I'll take it
undone bolt
And for some fucking reason the yian gargua had a MINUSCULE health pool
(spoiled for blood)
balmy swan
So question
Everywhere I've looked, including here, has said that tenderizing with the clutch claw becomes non-optional in master rank. But only about half of the weapons do that, right?
So what do you do if you main a slinger ammo weapon?
frank epoch
All weapons do it, but light weapons do it slightly differently than heavier weapons
balmy swan
Wait really
frank epoch
Yeah, every weapon has clutch claw
balmy swan
All this time I thought it was light = slinger ammo, heavy = tenderize
I mean I know every weapon has clutch claw
frank epoch
Sorry I'll be more clear. If you clutch claw the same spot twice with a light weapon that will tenderize that monster part. Also, I think if you CC onto a monster's face, smack them around three times, then do the attack, that will instantly tenderize
For a light weapon
balmy swan
Interesting
naive elk
which weapons even count as light weapons
frank epoch
Some light weapons also have ways to instantly tenderize without having to do it twice, like SnS's rolling claw uppercut
Bare minimum SnS and dual blades are light, let me check
naive elk
probably
though i never had a problem tenderizing with IG
used it a bunch against Safi
frank epoch
This is what IGN says at least
balmy swan
... gunlance?!
frank epoch
Yeah seems weird, I haven't played GL enough to know though
turbid moat
Gunlance is as close as you get to tenderize being optional because all shell attacks do not give a single fuck
Shells is true damage
Thing is that wyrmstake and your slaps will still like crits and tenderization, so Wide and sometimes Normal will still wanna tenderize every so often
(Also it generates ammo to supercharge your wyrmstake)
You do reload your shells on a clutch attack too so that can be worth
mystic cape
Note, this is a 3 slot deco called Clutch Claw Boost that will make light weapons tenderize with a single attack
But you'll still want to give a MR mon the ol' triple smack and launch them into a wall since they causes them to instant enrage for stuff like Agitator
naive elk
i do have clutch claw boost on my IG build
that's probably why that was a thing
forgot about that
mystic cape
Yeah, that'll do it
naive elk
made this to fight Fatalis so i must have added that in to the optimization consideration
mystic cape
Yeah, since you need to tenderize one of two parts depending on what the Fatty position is during the fight
brave hazel
... gunlance?!
You hit the monster with a charged shell, which doesn't really do phenomenal damage
I mean unless it's a Long gunlance but even then it still isn't doing a hell of a lot
balmy swan
Should I keep trying to get this stupid Odogaron plate to drop for the LR waist armor or should I give up and move on
Critical eye is a good skill but it seems like a waste to grind this hard for LR armor
stuck needle
If you aren't enjoying it, it's not worth it. Critical eye probably isn't a make or break skill for getting over a wall into high rank. (And odo is late enough that you're really close to HR)
balmy swan
Yeah that's kinda how I felt about it
Sticking with the Jagras belt for now, then
Ran something like five Odo hunts, three of which were an investigation with a gold reward slot, last night. No luck
stuck needle
Plates are pretty much just miserable 
plunderblade can help, if you're comfortable without palico support
brave hazel
Gold wyverian prints too, you can eventually meld em
balmy swan
I don't have either of those yet xP
Which is another point in favor of "it's not worth it in LR"
brave hazel
Yeah low rank gear isn't worth grinding for
balmy swan
Do you get the plunderblade from the Rotten Vale cats? I don't think I've found them yet
balmy swan
Put that on the to do list, then
brave hazel
Bring meat, you'll need it
mellow harness
i think ive screwed myself optimizing for elemental (ice) with cb becasue i was using the training post to test my damage output. but very few monsters have a hitzone ratio of 80 slashing to 30 elemental.
so i basically a hour and a half gettting gear thats only better if im fighting a monster thats specifically weak to ice
mystic cape
...Okay but that's how you build for Element
Element is about exploiting when a monster is weak to it
mellow harness
i didnt realize that i was getting the best case scenario when testing
i thought the post was probably tuned to be like if a monster was neither resistant or weak. i guess thats on me for assuming
brave hazel
i think ive screwed myself optimizing for elemental (ice) with cb becasue i was ...
Hey, on the bright side, you've got a good build for Alatreon already
mellow harness
oh im still early in icebourne
brave hazel
Ah, rip
mellow harness
it not that annoyed, it wasnt a massive amount of grinding.
brave hazel
I'd suggest building for abnormal status like blast, paralysis, or sleep, those are always universally useful
undone bolt
optimizing for elements is more fun anyway because you get to use a wider variety of weapons 
brave hazel
Blast in particular imo, cause you can only proc Sleep or Paralysis so many times but you can proc blast a lot more
mellow harness
yeah, im just... why would you build for elemental if its 3x the work for marginal improvement over optimizing raw.
mystic cape
Raw damage is dependant on the motion value of an attack, so slower weapons with higher motions values do more of it
Elemental is a fixed amount so hitting faster with lighter weapons does more damage than raw for those weapon types
Basically it's so Dual Blades can compete
Until Risebreak, then way more weapons get elemental as hell
full sage
elemental courage hammer...
I've ran dual blades for most of my hunting life and it mostly just means "you get to enjoy hunting more, different monsters"
frank epoch
you can pretty much skip alatreon if you want
you first get the Blazing Black Twilight quest which is very difficult but even if you lose it you unlock Dawn's Triumph, and the Alatreon in that quest has about the same HP as a MR Great Jagras
And Dawn's Triumph is the quest you need to beat to unlock Fatalis
brave hazel
You can, yeah
Literally none of his gear is worth getting except maybe if you like how it looks and want to layer it
Because for some reason to unlock layered Alatreon weapons you have to fully upgrade an Alatreon weapon
Which is fucking stupid but I guess it gives some incentive to actually fight him
...they did Alatreon so dirty, man
It's a cool fight but you're not likely to engage in it any more than is strictly needed because of the central gimmick, and also because Alatreon's weapons just genuinely are kinda crap
I mean the raw isn't awful, but the Low Elderseal just makes me wonder what the point is
brave hazel
What in the fuck
https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/348
That's a bigass mod, holy
Someone likes Wyvern Ignition
mystic cape
It's a rocket powered greatsword
Also in Alatreon's defense the LBG has rapid fire for each of the 4 elemental ammos
Also dragon
brave hazel
Yeah but everything else is kinda shit
brave hazel
Picked up longsword recently in World, y'all got any tips for it?
undone bolt
put it back down
gentle knoll
so for longsword especially, do invest time in investigating which moves trip people and test out how far out they are effective
and generally you will be rewarded by anticipating incoming attack to a more accurate degree due to its several counter mechanics
so nailing the timing and distance of enemy attacks are extra important for you
but also do take care to minimize tripping when playing with other
brave hazel
I know I oughter aim for the tail
gentle knoll
welp, you're now doing better than at least a tenth of LS users online
brave hazel
...god the trip mechanic was such a horrible idea
Who thought to add it
All it does is make people pissed off at each other
gentle knoll
i mean
you don't see helldivers getting railed at for its friendly fire
i think it's to encourage being extra cognizant of what you are doing, and take others into consideration
brave hazel
Well it at least adds something to the gameplay loop and can be funny
In MonHun all it does is make me viscerally hate dual blades users
gentle knoll
considering they want a 4 player co op rather than 4 single player dps race
it could be useful
like, friendly collision is why we can save teammates out of stuns, paralysis, roar recoil and so on
turbid moat
yeah, im just... why would you build for elemental if its 3x the work for margin...
How much savage axe are you using
CB is in top 3 elemental users in the game, properly itemizing for it puts you into the stratosphere—300 blast every so often is meaningless in comparison to what properly built elemental CB does
The trick is its basically entirely on your phial procs, so you need to be charging sword or using savage axe
brave hazel
True, I just use Blast because I'm lazy and can't be arsed to make a bunch of different elemental builds
Either farm up a bunch of Kulve CBs, upgrade them, augment them, make builds centered around them, farm up materials for armor for those builds, upgrade that armor, get the right decorations, etc. etc. etc...
OR
Blow the monster the fuck up
weak gulch
Note, this is a 3 slot deco called Clutch Claw Boost that will make light weapon...
*Without Clutch Claw Boost on light weapons, you can 2x claw smash before weapon attack to tenderize in 1x claw grab.
If you get thrown off after 1-2 claw smashes, you can claw again, and tenderize the part in 1-0 claw hits + weapon attack.
Don't feel the need to force Enrage if the monster is too spicy for you to handle, especially if solo.
crude kayak
...god the trip mechanic was such a horrible idea
but how else am I going to launch people into the air with axe mode CB's upswing?
they removed it in rise 
mellow harness
The trick is its basically entirely on your phial procs, so you need to be charg...
I have been doing savage axe a lot, I want to make it the main "form" of cb I use
turbid moat
You’ll use both when you’re Super Cool but savage axe is predominantly your insane dps in Iceborne, now that you got the sharpness to use it
brave hazel
You generally wanna use Saxe when you KNOW you have openings for it, though
Don't just keep wailing on the monster with it, cause you really need to keep your shield out to guard point
turbid moat
Goose tho. Goose is like perfectly built for catching full lengths of savage axe arcs 24/7 at any angle
mellow harness
so my problem causing me to get my ass handed to me by tigres is, well a lot of problems
but the one im running into is while with most monsters up to this point i could find consisent openings to get in with rushing axe slam >> elemental discharge II. but tigrex isnt having it
turbid moat
Tigrex is extremely turn based—your big non-topple opening is after charge no. 3
Focus on the cutwings same as Barioth or Nargacuga and you’ll get more frequent openings
additionally draining its stamina absolutely fucks Tigrex, it cuts its speed in half and makes it take huge breathers
mellow harness
his charges are also screwing me up, i can only roll away or aside from him for so long. and the only consistent way i can think to deal with it is block or superman dive.
mellow harness
Focus on the cutwings same as Barioth or Nargacuga and you’ll get more frequent ...
oh yeah, thats something nice about tigrex compared to the other pseudo's, his forelegs are weakspots
turbid moat
I wasn’t joking when I said tigrex gameplay was just
Honestly you’re at a point bringing traps for DPS isn’t a bad idea
Force the opening
mellow harness
i like his rock throw attack, gotta give it credit, i didnt expect the non elemental monster to have the hardest to read/dodge range attack so far
turbid moat
Tigrex is absolutely hilarious for that reason it dunks on so many other monsters when its just ‘big dude who smacks the shit out of you’
You’re gonna like brute tigrex I think
‘What if roars dealt damage’
frank epoch
getting grimclaw ptsd
turbid moat
Roll in front of brute tigrex’ mouth and even with 1k+ defense and health boost I am instagibbed as my spine turns to jelly
mellow harness
ever since barioth progress has been very slow, every monster is taking me several fights to learn and eventually beat (except for narcacuga for some reason) but honestly im enjoying it so much more now becasue i feel like im learning with each fight and each monster. Even if only by a little bit
mellow harness
https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487
ok im feeling this right now
turbid moat
ever since barioth progress has been very slow, every monster is taking me sever...
Barioth is a huge wall for most
The game is a lot more tense past that point, ya doin fine
frank epoch
You need any help saltuga? I could get you past it if you'd like
mellow harness
no i want to learn this
frank epoch
okie dokie
mellow harness
yeah, ive just. there was a period during/after barioth where some personal insecuries got to me, and felt like the fact that i was struggling was a sign that i was stupid, because if i wasnt then i would have seen the patterns and figured out what do , rather than struggling
but im moving past that i think. i am what i am and im at the least going to enjoy the process of learning more and getting better.
turbid moat
yeah, ive just. there was a period during/after barioth where some personal inse...
Are you timing out
mellow harness
no
turbid moat
Timing out is the one time I think somethings going way fucking wrong
People will say hunts should take no longer than 5 minutes and 90% of them are not capable of 5 minute MR hunts
Yknow the joke about Reddit ELO/MMR
Monster Hunter is a lot like that with people reading parses and speedruns without any understanding of what they’re looking at
You are learning the fight, take your time
mellow harness
ok im feeling this right now
what would be small openings on other mosters arent openings at all becasue he will just do his bite attack
turbid moat
Hungry boy
If you stack to like guard 5 there’s some aggro shit you can do since the stagger on guard gets minimal
I’ve seen lance and GL do unholy things to tigrex
weak gulch
what would be small openings on other mosters arent openings at all becasue he w...
Tigrex is incredibly bitey for a monster of it's type, I think I mostly focused on the arms to try and reduce it's mobility. 2nd best hitzone for raw/elemental damage too.
mellow harness
Tigrex is incredibly bitey for a monster of it's type, I think I mostly focused ...
im def trying to do that
weak gulch
Most of my first encounter with World Tigrex was getting caught by the rock shotgun it does with it's arm.
To double check, are you making use of traps/flash pods to force larger openings? (especially during enrage, to eat into enrage time). Barioth/Narga/Tigrex are incredibly slippery without exhaust/traps/CC.
Flash Pods got nerfed in MR but are still a strong utility if you space them out, or need room to escape a mess.
outer heron
your first three pods still work, yeah
brave hazel
Aye
Guard pointing is also real effective against the charge
...I mean it's effective against anything blockable but it's particularly effective against that charge
mellow harness
Guard pointing is also real effective against the charge
i have been blocking against charge a lot, the chip damage and sharpness loss is worth trying to roll away and failing because he charges 3 times in a row with a flat fuck friday of a hitbox
also this is gonna be the first mosnter i cope about this way, but i swear to god i got hit by a claw swipe that went over my head by like a solid foot.
im gonna take a break and try brachy becasue its getting on my nerves only being able to use my least commitment, lowest damage attacks, lest he knock my on my but
brave hazel
Offensive Guard is chargeblade crack
Fr
brave hazel
im gonna take a break and try brachy becasue its getting on my nerves only being...
Brachy is arguably worse in some ways
Unless you puddle pod him, every single attack leaves behind a pool of explosive slime
If you touch it, you WILL blow up eventually unless you roll it off
brave hazel
God I love the Stygian Zinogre HH
Just beating the FUCK out of a monster with a gigantic guitar
frank epoch
the fatalis and regular zinogre horns are also guitars, but you know i had to get the drip
mellow harness
Brachy is arguably worse in some ways
Brachy down! though it took 38 min, now that is for a slay not a capture (i got bloodthirsty and wanted to keep wailing on something) but thats also with a ice weapon.
frank epoch
brachy's a tough nut for sure
brave hazel
Raging Brach is only better because its last phase doesn't have constant puddles of fuck you slime
Just one big ocean that doesn't inflict blastblight and will only explode when raging brach performs an attack with a MASSIVE tell
weak gulch
I wore Blast Resist +3 (immune) for Brach because of previous experiences in GU, massively reduces it's ability to threaten you though.
brave hazel
...ah, man, I gotta redownload all my mods I had on my old computer now...
This is gonna be a pain in the arse
mellow harness
fuck tigrex
i have words for him that im not going to post here because i doubt this server likes rages
but please just let me attack
i have to spend all my time evading or blocking and what openings i do get only allow for my weakest of attacks and just agh
like, when i was fighting barioth, i was wondering "why is this monster trashing me" and the solution was to learn the spots he gave you meaninful openings, and learning when his movements would put him where you wanted him to be to attack him
but here when i ask the same question, the awnser seems to be "because you where attacking consistently, and that gets you hit hard when fighting this guy"
frank epoch
Something that helps me is looking for speedruns of a particular monster with the weapon I use. Speedrunners typically have a good idea of how to i-frame attacks and also what openings to take advantage of; they're a good learning resource
mystic cape
Tigrex is the embodiment of aggression
weak gulch
Similar tactics to Jho in some ways, both are vulnerable to exhausting fast.
mystic cape
Also IINM the body type Tigrex has shares the weakness Barrioth does where breaking the claws can cause them to stumble on some attacks. Though I could just be thinking of the exhaustion thing.
mellow harness
working on that has def helped
mellow harness
ok, im 90% sure i know the awnser to this but i want to ask to put myself at mind
is high rank monster hunter like dark souls? specifically in that it all hinges on whether you are good at consistently using your block and roll i-frames?
outer heron
ok, im 90% sure i know the awnser to this but i want to ask to put myself at min...
monster hunter wants you to be spacing so that you don't get hit without i-frames
because there aren't very many
mellow harness
ok thats what i thought
outer heron
there's no 100% block, most of the time, and you need very high investment into Evade Window and preferably Evade Extender to make rolling actually good at i-frame dodges
so you don't really have the invincibility frames to do dark souls rolling
it just wants you to position good, and dodge better
(i-frame rolls are definitely the best way to not go insane against a chunk of attacks, though)
mellow harness
most melee action games ive interacted with have (AFAIK) used tighness of timing for defensive/evasive actions as the main difficulty lever and im not really a fan of when most of the difficulty of a game boils down to "do you know how to read this monster and have good reflexes"
which was my experience when trying soulslikes.
brave hazel
It's jarring going from Soulsborne's iframes to MonHun's
Cause iirc you get... 25ish iframes tops?
Which is somehow worse than even fatrolling
outer heron
no, i-frames with EW5 are better than ds fastrolling
but 0 upgrades is lower than fatrolling
13 frames base, iirc
er, at least at 60fps
and ds3's fast rolls are 26 frames at 60 fps, after double-checking
ew5 is, afaik, 24 frames, or 29 if you're using the evasion mantle
so full investment gets very high, but base is significantly worse
brave hazel
Ah, right, thanks
outer heron
no problem, it's a complicated bit of fuckery
since there're multiple ways to modify i-frames
and each MH and DS has different numbers
oh! actually, ds3 beats mhw out drastically - there's a ring that boosts your i-frames to a massive 36
rich valve
It can also be very dependent on your weapon
Some of them you will spend some time with your weapon sheathed and able to just run around the monster
Some of them you will be trying to make sure that attacks land during "guard points" where your attack animations also allow you to block
Sometimes you will have "super armour" where you take a bit less damage and aren't interrupted during certain animations
and of course not all of these are appropriate for all situations (some attacks will just kill you through your armour or guard points anyway)
turbid moat
but here when i ask the same question, the awnser seems to be "because you where...
If you got time today I’ll SOS it with you on chargeblade
Also a good question: do you have temporal & rocksteady mantles unlocked from basegame
mellow harness
I don't have those mantles,and I'm not available today. Thanks for the offer though
turbid moat
Iceborne generally assumes you did some of the postgame for World—I highly recommend going and getting those two mantles.
Temporal is done by the postgame teostra special assignment, its like a 3-hunt miniquest that ends with Lunastra
mellow harness
Yeah, I have a freind who his willing to help me get those, since teostra+Lunastra is a lot
turbid moat
rocksteady is unlocked by 3 threat level 3 tempered hunts, which you can do in one hunt via the elders recess event quest that's like. tempered nerg + teo + luna
frank epoch
Yeah Rocksteady is bonkers good and Temporal Mantle straight up feels like cheating
brave hazel
Rocksteady can be a death trap though
turbid moat
IB accounts for them and monsters will have counters
but they're often the best way to seal a wallbang
frank epoch
Rocksteady can be a death trap sometimes but in the majority of circumstances it's a huge benefit
mystic cape
I personally use Glider and Evasion. Glider lasts a long time meaning whatever skills you slot into the upgraded version last a while and it has a short CD so it's not gone lone. Evasion is more dodge and more attack when you iframe, always helpful, especially an on aggro monster.
turbid moat
glider tool specialist is basically hacking for extra slots
mystic cape
That's pretty much what I did. Comboed deco with that and Partbreaker since that seemed universal enough as a benefit.
mellow harness
I personally use Glider and Evasion. Glider lasts a long time meaning whatever s...
Wait you only get the mantle deco bonus when the mantle is active?
weak gulch
Rocksteady can be a death trap though
Very important to note: you need to be aware of large multi-hit moves with Rocksteady on, since they'll blow you up instead of sending you flying after the first hit.
weak gulch
Wait you only get the mantle deco bonus when the mantle is active?
I'm pretty sure yes, especially big detail with Ghillie Mantle because it stops as soon as you take damage or attack (including using Clutch Claw).
mellow harness
man i cant wait to progress to the really high tiers of icebourne
the safi>>alatreon>>fatalis pseudo questline seems like such a hype power escalation from everything ive seen of it.