Fucking hell, man
#Monster Hunter
brave hazel
I'm not even mad, cause I got everything I needed from that shitty fight a while ago
Just annoyed at the fact that these endgame, post-Safi dudes never learned that basic fact about Behemoth
rapid lion
...maybe if I get back into the game and get back to endgame I could join? I still remember having trouble because I wanted to use S&S for the witcher crossover but had no idea how to use it, and also hating the stupid crystal kulu-ya-ku.
brave hazel
Can't imagine how much worse it is for Alatreon
brave hazel
...maybe if I get back into the game and get back to endgame I could join? I st...
Here, this should help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz624ugG4Lg&t=877s
This dude's weapon tutorials are so fucking great for learning weapons
brave hazel
Stand right next to it when targeted by charybdis, got it.
Fucking Charybdis
I hate that goddamn spell
Extremeoth just constantly spams it until the arena is just 60% tornado by volume and you can't do shit without getting juggled by them
crude kayak
I should get some decent IG with thunder or water upgraded for Alatreon.
With those I can at least keep up with flying around part
Is behemoth only in high rank hunts?
rapid lion
I think I will go to that tutorial once I get far enough but I'm going back to my dual sword second account which iirc is not yet in hard mode, rather than jumping to my late/endgame (sans DLC) insect glaive main.
crude kayak
With those I can at least keep up with flying around part
the excitement of being an angry bee, panicking trying to see lightning strike marks on the ground while you are in the air
brave hazel
Valid
mystic cape
If you're making weapons to fight Alatreon you'll want to look at fire and ice elements since those have the greatest impact on reducing its Judgement damage
If you're stuck on the Special Assignment story quest just worry abotu Ice cause that one is always fire
crude kayak
If you're stuck on the Special Assignment story quest just worry abotu Ice cause...
Nah, I've beat it way back. Only need some of it wings
Just not sure if I want to deal with it not taking elemental damage if it switches to same element as mine
mystic cape
Ah gotcha, I just remember the fight being... b-being... Vietnam Flashbacks Intensify
mellow harness
trying a new run of world from scratch after beating xeno. learning 2 things
- so many weapons i thought i would enjoy dont compare to my love for charge blade
- fighting tobi with early level gear is unironically harder than fighting xeno or nergigante, maybe teostra as well.
mystic cape
Yeah once you have the good shit it's hard to downgrade to the beginner shit
crude kayak
Tobi is the best, my favourite in MHW
mellow harness
my favorite to
brave hazel
I used to hate Tobi
Then I fought Barioth
Words cannot describe the sheer hatred I hold in my heart for that piece of shit cat
mellow harness
but by god did i not expect the amount of "oh your at less than 50% hp?, guess this one shots you". or being stunned or staggered then being killed before it ends.
rapid lion
Insect Glaive is fun but I got annoyed because the ice glaive needed Diablos materials, and I kept trying to jump over Diablos's charge and then discovering that its charging hitbox is unnecessarily tall for no good reason.
mellow harness
diabolos was a brutal fight when i first tried it
i think that and pink rathian where my biggest walls
honorable mention to kushala, not for taking the longest to beat, but for being the most frustrating fight
brave hazel
Words cannot describe the sheer hatred I hold in my heart for that piece of shit...
Hops around like an odogaron fueled by crack and Red Bull, hits like a truck, for some reason can just shoot ice tornadoes???
brave hazel
honorable mention to kushala, not for taking the longest to beat, but for being ...
Oh fuck kushala
mellow harness
Oh fuck kushala
goddam its entire kit is based around denying player agency
brave hazel
Fucking "haha 75% of me is covered in fuck you wind that staggers you if you get close and deflects ranged attacks"
"Haha I'm flying, oh I just landed? Let me take off and summon another fucking tornado hahahahaha"
mellow harness
also so many staggers and wind blasts where neither you are the monster are doing anything, so its just dead moments completely breaking the combats momentum
brave hazel
I will only be fighting that piece of shit again to get the layered armor
After that, I will never even look at it again
Fuck, and I always feel bad hunting it because before you attack it it's legit just chilling
Doesn't bother you unless you give it a smack
So I always feel like a massive asshole
full sage
Aw, what are you talking about, Kushala Daora's not that bad of a fight...
^ Words spoken by someone who has unwittingly blanked out all memory of fighting it in world for "mysterious reasons" and thus is basing this entirely off of generations, gu, rise, and sunbreak
crude kayak
And that's why I bring negate all wind pressure HH
brave hazel
...oh yeah, my Kushala armor has total wind negation!
Now I can go bully the shit out of that stupid fucking lizard!
brave hazel
Holy shit, this thing is fucking massive
I knew it'd be pretty decent sized but fucking hell
10/10
mystic cape
Now that's a knife
brave hazel
Also, do y'all have any resources for learning how to mod Monster Hunter? There's one or two mods I wanna get but idk how to install them.
stuck needle
I only ever did really perfunctory modding for performance, but this looks pretty comprehensive https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2359218616
brave hazel
Thanks Withal
I'm just wanting cosmetic mods for now
Namely a mod that'll make all of my kinsects look like the Dragon Soul and one that'll turn Dante's Devil Sword's Force Edge form into Alastor
brave hazel
Finally figured out how to mod shit
God this looks sick as fuck, I'm glad I got this mod
crude kayak
Ayy finally got what I needed from Alatreon
2 kills without any wings dropped
Last one with 4
brave hazel
Nice
rapid lion
"Oh gaaah Kirin is just brutal, it can stun me into a two-shot kill if I get hit once ever, why does the game seem to think this is at all reasonable as a 5-star (pre-High Rank) quest?"
Notices my Thunder defense is -11
Ah.
This is what happens when you constantly stick to trying to get the bonus rewards from the Legiana set.
rapid lion
It doesn't help that it was my first fight, so I had no idea what element to bring (I brought dragon, in the hopes of elderseal breaking its aura; if it worked, I barely noticed it). Also, I have so many stupid low-rank arena quests I've been putting off and I should go back and do them before they're completely trivial and worthless...
(Just hit Hunter Rank 11, i.e. able to take the first high-tier quests)
halcyon fractal
I can't wait for you the see the... well
the other Kirin quest
Gog almighty I hate that horse
halcyon fractal
barioth SUCKS
i hate him so much
too fucking fast for World, but decently speedy in rise
halcyon fractal
he skids around and is freaking awful to fight in world, at least for me
he was my first wall in Iceborne on the PS4, and he still gives me great anguish to this day
I can't wait to fight Frostfang /s
brave hazel
Frostfang isn't really as bad in my own experience
Seems less interested in leaping around like an odogaron on crack
brave hazel
If you want, I can lend a hand
halcyon fractal
ahh, thanks! Still finishing the IB storyline
but I will take your word into account
thank you
brave hazel
Of course, always happy to help
real zodiac
Barioth in world you really wanna break the claws to stop its zoomies
halcyon fractal
true! But that means I'd have to attack it, and that thing doesn't like me attacking it
I know I know, skill issue on my part
crude kayak
ya know what could just go away in world
the random deco drops thing
let me craft em or something
stuck needle
that's how they did it in Rise, but it's hard to say what they'll keep from which game
mystic cape
But then Rise brought back random charms which are even worse
Then they added random armor perks which killed any interest I had in playing
The only RNG that should exist in MonHun us monster part drops
Let me craft everything else
stuck needle
the children yearn for the gacha mines 
rugged anvil
true! But that means I'd have to attack it, and that thing doesn't like me attac...
Frostfang is a lot easier to handle with 2+ people because of this imo, you can spread out to insure someones always in attacking range haha
brave hazel
In my own experience, that just leads to it leaping from player to player and making it hard as shit to hit it
rugged anvil
I found it easier to break its parts with this strategy, so that it would slip n slide instead.
freezing breath in multiplayer also makes it much more open to the others going ham on him
brave hazel
Frostfang does have a lot more openings than regular Barioth
Which is nice, and probably why I prefer it
Because it actually has attacks with long windups or recoveries you can punish
Or latch onto the wings to tenderize
brave hazel
Y'all got any tips for that Witcher quest?
None of the weapons it provides you are any good at all and I'm struggling to deal enough damage
Fucking Bone Strongarm 2 for a charge blade, fuck outta here
stuck needle
I think I did with sword and shield? because that gives you easier access to Igni for burning roots
brave hazel
I know there's a Pukei Pukei I'm supposed to be able to save that'll help me, but idk where it is
Or anything about how to get it to help me
Same for the Gajalaka King
stuck needle
IIRC you mostly follow witcher vision to the different locations. IIRC Pukei is in the NW, the Gajalaka are in the canopy to the near the other Grimalkyne tribe, and...some kind of scientist or something is in the plains to the SW?
mystic cape
BTW if you have Lifepowders or the Hunting Horn you can use those to heal the Pukei Pukei when it does help you
brave hazel
Roight
Prolly use the horn, it's the ONLY thing that seems halfway adequate
I'm still really sore over the fact that the charge blade you get is a fucking bone strongarm 2, a singular step up from the most basic charge blade possible
That's so fucking stupid
rugged anvil
i did sword and shield spam for that one
brave hazel
Another question, y'all got any good cosmetic mods you'd recommend for World?
I've already found three I enjoy, but I desire
More
Those being a mod that adds glowy bits to the Frostfang Beta set, one that adds that one really long scarf to the dragonking eyepatch layered armor, and one that turns Dante's Devil Sword into Alastor
...or, well, turns the sword form into Alastor, it already turns into Alastor in axe form
rapid lion
If I go after Kirin, should I use Fire damage (or Water; whever is most effective because I can't bring myself to feel bad about looking it up), or Dragon damage for the Elderseal?
outer heron
if you've specifically got decent access to High elderseal, it's not a bad idea, but otherwise use the appropriate dps element
(which is fire)
or the best raw you've got, depending on the weapon
what do you use?
rapid lion
I use dual blades (and this is for rise). And I got it low before, with non-ideal but good weapons, and then got one-shot repeatedly due to having like -13 thunder resistance. So I should be able to take it once I get reasonable gear, but I'm about to take on high-rank Anjanath for the first time which will upgrade the canteen and also probably my fire dual blades.
I think I'm overpreparing, which might make it less fun. I still have to go back and do a zillion low rank arena quests I skipped...
outer heron
okay yeah, dbs want ele
mellow harness
so, i beat the whole of world using a tobi charge blade, i never switched elements becasue of all the support i put into it through weapon upgrades and upgraded armore with the points of thunder damage that i needed to get to the elemental cap. And basically i worried that getting that level of specialization with another element or elements would be more work then beating monsters without using their elemental weakness.
was this a wrong assumption?
outer heron
yeah
unless you never struggled
in which case you Got Gud
because charge blade is a weapon that elemental damage impacts a lot, at different points during the course of the game
not as much as switch axe though
stuck needle
elemental damage also depends a lot on what you're fighting. but, yeah, if you beat everything and had a good time doing it then you didn't need a more meta load out
rapid lion
I just like making a million weapons and collecting everything and always having the right weapon and occasionally forgetting what that is and having to look it up in part because I'm not very good.
halcyon fractal
hmmmm
Hunting horn
🤔
the legiana HH is great, but its such a shame it doesn't have ATK up or Impact Waves 😔
that and the lower raw damage for the high ice attack isn't worth it, or so I've heard
brave hazel
You know what I like best about the DMC charge blade
The fact that the shield thrust is literally you just punching a monster
Just straight up fucking throwing hands
rapid lion
Easy mode Kirin down! 🥳
crude kayak
rapid lion
Trying to decide if I should rank all the monsters I've fought thus far. (Only the monsters, not their gear, at least not directly.) ...screw it, I like rating stuff. (I might mix ratings for low and high-rank stuff, just warning everyone. Also, this is all ranked from the perspective of a Dual Blades user, with some half-remembered thoughts from playing Insect Glaive. Other weapons with different properties are probably different.)
Great Jagras: 4/10. Lacks too many clearly distinguishing characteristics, and is a total jobber, like you'd expect from the literal first large monster you're expected to hunt. It's... fine. The most notable part of the fight is when it wanders off to get a bunch of other Jagras (Jagrases? ...Jagri?) to annoy you, but it hardly coordinates with them or anything.
Pukei-Pukei: 6/10. Attacks are big, but telegraphed enough to avoid. The part where it eats plants to change the properties of its spit is neat, but not incredibly clearly communicated. Also, it's a great introduction to tail-cutting, with a tail that:
- Is very large and prominent
- Doesn't have a dangerous melee attack, so it's relatively safe to stand there
- Does have a dangerous ranged attack, so cutting it off provides a notable tactical advantage
- Looks big and bulbous and fleshy and clearly weak
Basically, it's a good way to introduce tail cutting (and to a lesser extent part breaking in general) without needing an explicit tutorial or explanation of it. I've kind of talked myself into giving it a higher score with weapons other than the insect glaive... in part due to where you fight it; its little "plant buffet" is well-designed, where it'll stand still and eat and then you can jump off the little cliff to mount it or drop a scatternut on it or use the little slope for a sliding attack (not much of one, but I think it's just enough for the Dual Blades Demon Mode sliding attack which categorically rocks).
Anjanath: 6/10. It's set up as a Big Threat, and more or less delivers. It changes its behavior and appearance simultaneously with its back fins and nasal crest, it's nasty at both long and short range, it has reactions to slinger ammo, it has a turf war, and it teaches you about the Standard Best Attacking Spot (pic related). With dual blades, you just try to stay on it and not worry about the fire too much and hit the fins when it's down. The only hard part is approaching.
(fun fact: that post's length is the exact message length limit for a non-Nitro post, and I find that oddly satisfying.)
Rathian & Rathalos: 3/10 (higher with a different weapon). I'm gonna be honest: I cannot cleanly separate the Raths in my head and always forget which is which. All I know is that they kind of suck with dual blades. You can't do much of anything to them while they're in midair, which is always. You will get poisoned, and if you try to disengage to heal, you will get blown up when you try to approach again. The answer is probably flash pods, which I don't use enough.
rapid lion
On to the Wildspire Wastes.
Barioth: 6.5/10. A solid monster to play with, circling around it and controlling its charges. It's a bit annoying, but unlike many monsters, its charging hitboxes aren't too massive and likely to hit you suddenly since you're right next to them and the moment they start charging they hip-check you despite you being perpendicular to their charge direction (I may have a grudge).
Jyuratodus: 5/10. Smack dab in the middle. Fighting it in mud isn't as annoying as people always claim, although that might be due to having primarily played the two most mobile weapons. It follows the pattern of "introducing random dicks to the battlefield" but the Gajau are also reasonably managable. I'm trying to resist the urge to preemptively take away points for all the farming for it I'm about to have to do. Its projectiles, and especially the waterblight they inflict, can definitely be annoying though.
Kulu-Ya-Ku: 4.5/10. In a word: annoying. Not hard, and it's funny to hit them and make them drop what they're holding, but they can guard. And run away. And are small enough to be annoying to hit reliably.
(and I have to get going for now but I will continue this when I get back. Also I'm worried my ratings are just a bit too close to the middle every time.)
(and I hope the fish is named Jyuratodus and not Jyuradotus because that would be embarrassing.)
rapid lion
🤦 yes. Oops. Anyway, to return to Wildspire Wastes now that I am once again free.
Diablos: 2/10 (resisting the urge to just say 1/10 from my grudge from insect glaive). It is Big. It is Annoying. It is... not always clear whether it's burrowing to attack (and can thus be forced out via screamer pod) or burrowing to eat cactus (and thus cannot be forced out). Also (and this is the Insect Glaive Grudge speaking) it drops stuff needed for the ice glaive so I had to grind hard rank diablos, and it's just the right height that you can jump over it but its charging hitbox extends above its sprite for no reason which infuriates me.
Uh... don't think I'm forgetting anyone that I've actually fought. So, Coral Highlands. I'm suddenly realizing that a lot of my insect glaive ratings are higher than my dual blade ratings, but that doesn't mean I liked the glaive more; the rating are kind of relative to the other monsters, and I really like the dual blades in general.
Tzitzi-Ya-Ku: 6/10. The flashing generally feels fair to dodge, and is much easier to handle if you're already glued to it. I am resisting the urge to dock it points for the Shamos Asshole Brigade.
Paolomu: 4/10 (but, from what I remember, like 7/10 for Insect Glaive). Same issues with being a flyer, now with Not Having To Land! Insect Glaive lets you engage on its level and deflate it and that makes it very satisfying.
Legiana: 8/10. 9/10 with the insect glaive, or with the dual blades in its arena since I like the demon mode slide attack just a little too much. It's very satisfying to fight. Its attacks are very big, and it's not trivial to fight, but whenever I get hit I feel like it's my fault. Its flying spinning dash thing is the perfect height to jump with glaive, and it's reasonable enough in general to be hit while in midair. I like Legiana.
Kirin: 3/10. This is a weird one, because Kirin (as befits an Elder Dragon) really feels different from other fights. You're not really reading and reacting to Kirin's movements in the same way as you would another monster's; you're instead reading the ground targeting. The way in which it fights involves you chasing after it even as it's attacking you, rather than it coming to you. It's much smaller than most monsters, and you have to take that into account. From an intellectual standpoint, Kirin's really neat. Unfortunately, I default to Legiana armor out of greed and that's super weak to lightning, and even with appropriate defensive gear Kirin can just combo you and stun you for 50 years and then blow you up instantly without letting you respond.
rapid lion
Rotten Veil:
Radobaan: 5/10? I have no recollection of fighting this guy. I know I did, and I know it even has an interesting gimmick which I think was also annoying, but I think I fought it exactly once and then immediately forgot about it. Also I frequently call it "Autobahn" in my head.
Great Girros: 4/10. Great Girros is not, on its own, a particularly annoying fight. It's the epitome of A Monster, which spits paralytics at you but not too much or too large, and it moves but not a ton. The only reason this rating is so low is because of the Girros pack you'll have to deal with simultaneously, which is not something dual blades excels at. Also the effluvium.
Odogaron: 10/10. Unironically my favorite fight in the game, with Legiana in second. With dual blades, and especially with insect glaive, you get to play matador as you weave around and over its long, fast charges until you get the chance to hit, caught in a deadly dance. The whole thing is both kinetic and fluid.
Finally (note I'm only listing the fights I've done on this playthrough):
Zorah Magdaros; ???/10. Zorah Magdaros is not a monster fight. It's not really comparable. Uhh... the stalagmites seem kind of annoying to use correctly? Nergigante is there, but on the difficulties I've played, that's all I can say about it since driving it off isn't that much of a fight.
Bazelgeuse: https://youtu.be/Fx2HVungUnw /10. I have not yet intentionally fought Bazelgeuse. This flying asshole will simply show up, with its dramatic music and its air-raid-siren call, and declare itself part of the fight. I feel as though I should hate it, but I can't bring myself to.
woven tree
Playing monster hunter 1. Got so confused in first quest. Thought the elder was a dog.
"Ah, that's the advance technique. Gonna figure out the game, then get the doggo"
rapid lion
I also like how the start of its theme (which doesn't sound right without its cry) is just screaming "danger, watch out, get away)... and if you do run away from it, that's all you hear. But if you're actually fighting Bazelgeuse, you get to hear the theme transition from a warning into an epic battle.
real zodiac
I really miss radobaan and uragon when I'm playing rise
I've picked up empire again, wondering what weapon to go with
I did lance my first go through in world, and picked up cb.
Then mained cb and gl in rise
brave hazel
Agreed
Especially Seething Bagel
Cause its ultimate attack just straight up makes an airplane noise
woven tree
I hate the bbq quest
brave hazel
The one where you get the tickets to make the funny meat hammer?
woven tree
The one where you need to cook perfectly in monster hunter 1
woven tree
That time limit is good. Enough to figure out each quest
rapid lion
Neat! I was doing a tricky hunt (legiana + odogaron). I killed Legiana, and fought Odogaron decently. Then Deviljho showed up, killed me, and stomped Odogaron so hard that it fell out of the bottom of the map 😡
and I used a ticket, too.
decided to "return from quest" rather than abandoning so I could keep the legiana stuff at least.
crude kayak
You only loose what you used with returning, so it's not that bad
rapid lion
I used a ticket.
rapid lion
I am tempted to try to run back the exact same mission, except that this time Deviljho doesn't show up and ruin everything.
brave hazel
and I used a ticket, too.
A lucky voucher, or a gourmet one?
Also, if you want, I can come lend a hand
rapid lion
Lucky, and the issue wasn't difficulty, it was Odogaron falling out of the map. (And still being alive.) I ran it back, Deviljho spawned again (I suspect it was a fixed spawn-in), and I managed to successfully capture both even when Odogaron's "oh no I'm weak time to sleep" spot happened to be directly where Deviljho was standing at that moment (I ran in and captured it out from under its nose 😌)
brave hazel
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
rapid lion
Holy... I just did a Tzitzi-Ya-Ku quest and captured it. I got two bird wyvern gems as the reward for capturing. And a third as part of the quest rewards. I think that's my luck used up for the month.
and for bonus awkwardness... of all the rare drops I need to farm, bird wyvern gems aren't actually among them.
balmy swan
it's the desire sensor at work. you got them because the game knows you don't need them
brave hazel
Aye
Like how I wanted Bazel mantles for Wyvern Impact Silver, then when I gave up I got two not long after in the same mission
rapid lion
I finished a mission, got the rewards, and then game just... froze. You know, that screen where it shows a screenshot of the end of the mission, and it lingers for a moment after taking all the rewards? Yeah, well, it's lingering for more than a moment. Do you think it's safe to close the game?
Oh! I didn't freeze it, I just... hid the menu... somehow? it is fixed now so never mind.
mellow harness
is ther a way to angle the downslash of helmbreaker slash? i try aiming it every time and i end up wiffing and wasting 3 minutes of buildup to red guage.
outer heron
3 minutes? it should charge pretty quickly with combos
but also yeah, the stick controls direction
mellow harness
its not just charging up the spirit guage 3 times, its finding the openings for the 4 move spirit combo 3 times in a row
brave hazel
That bit's trickier, I do recommend making liberal use of traps to forcibly create openings
Monster won't hold still? Fuck you, you are GOING to hold still whether you like it or not.
mellow harness
fair
full sage
is fade into spirit combo a thing in world still?
mellow harness
yes but i think its still similar time
idk i just feel like coming from charge blade longsword requires so many things to go right.
brave hazel
I have the same issue
Charge blade feels a lot more fluid
And less reliant on the monster holding still
mellow harness
like to saed you need to charge, do a 3 hit speedy combo that doesent need to hit anything, charge again, then throw you big attack after a breif switching animation.
brave hazel
Like, yeah, your strongest move needs a MASSIVE opening, but you have plenty of other high damage, high speed comboes you can perform
mellow harness
forward slash and siding slash give you so many ways to keep up momentum its kinda insane
mellow harness
like to saed you need to charge, do a 3 hit speedy combo that doesent need to hi...
helmbreaker requires you to charge, make a 4 hit combo that uses up your charges if you fail, and you need to hit on the last attack. then you need to do that ideally 2 more times, with each level (white yellow red) lasting much shorter than charged shield does. then you need to do helmbreaker and hope that after you hit the monster with the thrust, it doesesent move much so the majority of your damage and empowered state goes through on the downslash
brave hazel
And longsword's basic moveset is just... weirdly dull, too
You'd think it'd be flashier but nah, just slow overheads and a quick stab
I don't get it
mellow harness
yeah, spirit slashes have some oomph, but everything that charges your guage? its eh.
brave hazel
The sheathe attack is cool at least
mellow harness
i dont have icebourne (yet?)
mellow harness
yes
brave hazel
Rip
I'd definitely save for it, it changes a LOT
I'd offer to buy it for you, but I'm a bit tight on money at the moment
real zodiac
is ther a way to angle the downslash of helmbreaker slash? i try aiming it every...
Yeah, hit the y/triangle with a directional input while you're in the air
Further, I think you can use the evade slash into spirit breaker to skip late into/ the end? Of the combo
I think the right trigger out of special sheathe also gives you a level of gauge if counter+hit
And the Y/T out of special sheathe gives you autocharging gauge
And the sidestep slash gives you a combo step skip in your spirit combo
And can be used in spirit combo
brave hazel
God DAMN am I ever looking fresh
Those mods were a good idea, this is the most kickass I've looked in this entire playthrough
rapid lion
Doesn't Iceborne (via steam at least) suck really bad due to an intrusive anti-modding thing?
Also, speaking of outfit... I have been using the halloween set for my palico, and it looks fun. I could get the christmas set and it has better stats, but it looks terrible.
rapid lion
Just officially lost a hunt against nergigante. Dragon dual blades do a pretty good job of managing his spikes. The annoying part, which made me cart three times, is when he lands near you (while you're at full health) and you fall over and then go "hmm, this is rather comfortable actually, I think I'll just lie down here for a few hours" and then he headbutts you and you die.
I think that's a sign I should call it for the night. (The other sign being that it's late at night.)
mystic cape
brave hazel
Doesn't Iceborne (via steam at least) suck really bad due to an intrusive anti-m...
Not really, it's just annoying to mod around it
Even then it's only annoying programming side
Literally all you need to do is download two mods whose name I forgot, unpack them in the MHW folder, make a nativePC folder, put your mods in the nativePC folder, and bam
twilit granite
you should its peak
brave hazel
I've just heard it's kinda disappointing after World
Which isn't so much from a "Rise is bad" perspective but from a "World was so good it just makes the other games look worse in comparison" one
rugged anvil
I prefer Rise myself! I love the fast pace
mystic cape
I enjoyed Rise, but then the endgame gimmick became "RNG layered RNG" and it lost me
rapid lion
Dear game: please stop taunting me by giving me Bird Wyvern Gems and not any of the stuff I actually need (including half-decent Jyuratodus investigations, in addition to actual drops).
rapid lion
...very frustrating when you accidentally kill a monster because it was low and you didn't realize because it didn't have time to run away (Grimalkyne trap; I considered using tranqs then and then decided, nah, probably not yet, and that was wrong) and then you get a minute to sit in shame. Fortunately, I did manage to capture the Jyuratodus and got many torrent sacks (more than I immediately need, but they'll be good to just have) and the other things I needed which I maybe should have killed and carved for...
never mind that I'll still have to capture another flying wyvern now for a bounty
full sage
rise grabbed me back in after being disappointed with world really hard, so I'm really excited for where monhun goes in 2028
real zodiac
World has better enviroments, but I think I like rise's combat a bit more
brave hazel
...god
I fucking hate the flinch mechanic so goddamned much
And only half of it is because it just got me carted twice in a row
The other half is just
It makes no goddamn sense
Why the fuck is a literal, canonical superhuman, who regularly takes fireballs to the face and can shrug off a monster the size of a house smashing into them full-speed, shit that would instantly kill literally any normal person
Why is a monster brushing past or performing a certain move suddenly cause to worry about protecting your face??
cyan tulip
Do you mean roars and stuff like that?
outer heron
probably more talking about the super active hitboxes on monster repositioning
like the vibe checks that trip you
cyan tulip
ah okay
rapid lion
Yeah, I hate the hip checks so much. And you can't even say "oh, just don't glue yourself to the monster" since I'm doing Dual Blades this playthrough and they do not have range.
Side question: I know you can't capture Elder Dragons. But do they instantly break traps (which sounds familiar), or are they just immune to the tranq bombs?
...another thing I just remembered: there are optional quests to do high-rank versions of each monster. The description's always "we located an unusually dangerous <x>, go deal with it"... except for Dodogama. Dodogama's just called unusually fine (iirc; something along those lines, at least).
rapid lion
one more Random Tired Monster Hunter Thought: In World, you can pluck a Wriggly Litchi off of a log and eat it. In civilized society, do you think the Wriggly Litchi is:
- Something weird and gross that only a hunter would ever consider eating; or
- A rare delicacy, only found out on the frontier normally, transported back to the cities at a great price as a luxury food?
(There are a surprising number of expensive luxury foods which aren't actually that rare or hard to grow/forage, and the price comes from growing/foraging a large enough number to keep up demand, and from transporting them)
halcyon fractal
Side question: I know you can't capture Elder Dragons. But do they instantly br...
I believe they don't even acknowledge traps and just walk over them
halcyon fractal
one more Random Tired Monster Hunter Thought: In World, you can pluck a Wriggly ...
🤔 i honestly think just nabbing a grub and eating it off a log with no processing or cleaning is a gross thing, but it is resourceful
like nature's dash juice
rapid lion
I mean, sure... but is the idea of eating one in general considered gross, or do rich people get shipped ones which are carefully fed on very specifically curated woodchips and treated as a luxury? (And before you call the concept too gross, consider: oysters.)
I kind of want it to be the latter just because I like the mental image.
rapid lion
like nature's dash juice
dash juice is made by using a catalyst to improve "A mysterious substance culled from certain monsters that increases endurance". That is not a description that inspires confidence, but it kind of feels like dash juice is nature's dash juice well, I guess dash extract is.
rapid lion
Legiana rocks. Just apropos of nothing.
halcyon fractal
Legiana is cool (pun very much intended)
halcyon fractal
I mean, sure... but is the idea of eating one *in general* considered gross, or ...
I mean, at least with oysters you prepare them with kitchen tools and stuff, even if they're raw
But with wriggli litchi, you just yoink it from the log
no cleaning, no prep, just hromph!
brave hazel
Do you mean roars and stuff like that?
Naw, cause roars I at least understand, I'm sure my eardrums would be ruptured if a monster the size of a semitruck screamed at me
I'm talking the moments when, like, a monster moves and it brushes past you, or shit like that one Lunastra nova move that makes you flinch
rapid lion
I mean, with oysters, in fancy restaurants you prepare them, but you can also just... break one off a rock and split it open. Then again, oysters wouldn't have to be "deveined".
Unrelatedly, I watched a video which offhandedly mentioned that electricity stimulates mushroom growth, and now I'm wondering if the prevalence of large mushrooms in the Ancient Forest (including unique mushroom colonies) is at least in part aided by the presence of Tobi-Kadachi.
Also, Tobi-Kadachi builds up some electrical charge via static electricity, and rubs against trees, and sheds its hair, and that feels like something would use it as a dispersal mechanism for pollen or spores or burrs or something.
brave hazel
Interesting theory, I can see it
mystic cape
It's probable, maybe even likely
rapid lion
...preliminary research makes it seem like electricity promotes mushroom fruiting, not necessarily actual mycelial growth.
https://www.youtube.com/@unnaturalhistorychannel/videos I have seen a few different monster hunter biology channels, and the previous one I saw talked more about in-universe analysis, classification, and cladistics, but this channel does more comparison to real-life ecology and biology and trying to understand stuff from that perspective and figure out how to work with the sometimes-bizarre official capcom lore which was written by enthused non-biologists.
also a great quote from one of the videos (I forget which), paraphrased: "Ifyou see a bizarre feature you don't understand, it's probably sexual selection."
...I know there's already a Tobi-Kadachi variant, but there should have been a Tobi-Kadachi variant in the Coral Highlands. It just makes too much sense to have a version that went from gliding between large trees to riding the prevalent updrafts and wind currents there.
rapid lion
I could even see a coral highlands tobi-kadachi that took advantage of the wind currents everywhere to be a total asshole who just wanders around everywhere and runs into you while you're fighting something else... although Odogaron kind of fills that niche already.
...the ancient forest has big trees, but what if... even bigger... I'm imagining such a difference that the treetops and ground/leaf litter are actually different maps like the Coral Highlands and the Rotten Veil, where the upper forest has fliers, and wyverns adapted to movement on relatively smaller branches and/or leaves which are less capable of holding their weight, and then the lower forest is almost entirely dark from the enormous trees having enormous leaves blotting out the sun and so it's populated with plants and fungi which require minimal light, along with animals which can root amongst the giant leaf litter or hunt in the darkness.
This is kind of "Coral Highlands but it's plants this time", admittedly. But the Rotten Veil isn't dark. I'm also imagining there being either a piscine wyvern which swims through the leaf litter, or a rolling brute wyvern (like Radobaan or Uragaan) which carries around plants on its body, possibly even still-living ones. Maybe fuse it a bit with Pukei-Pukei and make it so that it can roll in ivy and then it'll leave behind a tangling ivy trail, or roll in an area with sporepuffs and then disperse larger clouds of sleep gas (or trail them while it rolls), or something? This is probably all a bit too much to have going on, and too close to the Rotten Vale, except you might start at the bottom this time.
...raptorian bird wyvern that latches onto a tree trunk with the hooked claws on its forelimbs, uses the claws on its hindlimbs to scrape away the bark and some of the wood, and then eats the grubs and insects revealed this way.
outer heron
...preliminary research makes it seem like electricity promotes mushroom *fruiti...
that also make sense, though - a grazing mechanism for a monster that could plausibly be omnivorous
since it's like...30% snake, 40% dragon, 30% weird squirrel dude
rapid lion
I'd say it's mostly flying squirrel? With some scaly stuff because wyvern and also heavy weight for attacks.
Another random idea which probably wants to be a (non-raptorian) Bird Wyvern: a fructivore which stores the seeds and then spits them as bullet-like projectiles. It seems like the kind of thing that would happen.
rapid lion
well, I carted twice... and didn't get the tail cut... and had to use Vigorwasp instead of Plunderblade... but I killed Nergigante.
mystic cape
Sometimes you just gotta eek out that win
You can refine your play for loot over time
outer heron
I'd say it's mostly flying squirrel? With some scaly stuff because wyvern and a...
tobi also has a snake-like face with some fangs!
and viber tobi goes harder on that with multiple kinds of poison
rapid lion
Good call on that. And... annoyingly, I'm gonna have to farm Nergigante for a lot of stuff. Along with the Raths. And a bit more Jyuratodus stuff. And, obnoxiously, a small amount of low rank Kulu-Ya-Ku stuff to make a second kulu dagger to send down the other upgrade path.
Oh, and Zorah Magdaros, because an obnoxious amount of stuff needs a Zorah Magdaros gem. And probably Odogaron, which I don't mind as much due to Odogaron being a very fun fight.
brave hazel
Want me to lend a hand?
mystic cape
On the plus side the Zorah Event is permanently active
brave hazel
Yeah, they just kinda gave up on the Zorah randomly appearing gimmick
rapid lion
The fights in question aren't incredibly difficult, so much as they are numerous. Just the sheer quantity of stuff to grind. What I do want help with is... where's the third Coral Highland campsite? I have the northeastern one.
brave hazel
I don't think there is a third one
mystic cape
It's just the two
rugged anvil
luckily a lot of those are easy to get good investigations on, which helps a ton
rapid lion
I have gone from being worried about wasting login tickets from flubbing missions, to being worried about wasting login tickets from not being able to spend them fast enough. ...also I need better dragon weapons to fight Nergigante and I need to kill Nergigante to get better dragon weapons and I don't want to overprepare and make challenges too easy when I go back to them.
mystic cape
Nergigante is weak to Thunder
rapid lion
Good to be reminded of, but I think I still want a good dragon weapon to at least try to dragonseal him? but his spikes aren't that awful really, so I'll probably do that, yeah. (Just fought Azure Rathalos with a suboptimal choice of an electric weapon rather than a dragon weapon... and also Rathian was there... and regular Rathalos... and Bazelgeuse because why not)
brave hazel
Charge blade can get innate Mind's Eye to ignore the bounce from Nerg's spikes, so you could potentially look into that?
rapid lion
I've been going dual blades and you have enough moves that don't bounce, and/or go inside Nergigante and let you dodge the spikes that way... I think I tried Charge Blade exactly once long ago and didn't like it?
real zodiac
tbh you can beat nergi with raw weaopns, though maybe db doesn't follow that pparadigm
mystic cape
I'm just gonna mention that dealing enough damage to white spikes prevent them turning black
And yeah DB is an element weapon through and through
real zodiac
Yeah you can just partbreak the spikes off before they're black
From ewhat I recall elderseal is pretty marginal anyway?
mystic cape
Elderseal is something that technically works but just dealing enough damage will usualy net you the same resul on monsters it matters for
rapid lion
I also assumed dragon would be the most damaging element. ...I might alternate fighting Nergigante and fighting regular+azure Rathalos, because I kind of really want and need Critical Element.
mystic cape
It varies from monster to monster
For Nergi the big weakness is Thunder
You can check in your Hunter Notes
rapid lion
I hadn't slain Nergi enough times to get the physiology info.
brave hazel
I've been going dual blades and you have enough moves that don't bounce, and/or ...
Valid, it's not for everyone
rapid lion
Maybe I could try it again, but I really suspect I wouldn't particularly enjoy it.
mystic cape
It's very different from DB
brave hazel
Elderseal is something that technically works but just dealing enough damage wil...
Aye. Elderseal's mostly useful for monsters like Kushala or Teostra who have auras of fuck you elemental energy, like how 75% of kushala's hitbox becomes unhittable because it's wreathed in wind that staggers you back and blocks all ranged attacks
Fucking kushala
I hate fighting it
mystic cape
Smacking them in the head also turns it off
Also I'm pretty sure poisoning Kushala cna nerf it but I may be thinking of older games
rapid lion
Dual Blades are sort of bad at smacking targets at anywhere other than the legs... or, really, anywhere in particular; they're very much about trying to attack as continuously as possible rather than just waiting your turn for a good hit. My previous run I played Insect Glaive, which is kind of similar on that but not quite the same? and it's notably better at hitting heads/wings.
brave hazel
Aye
rapid lion
high affinity dual blades just turn into The Dopamine Machine which is why I really, really need to get Critical Element set up.
mystic cape
If you're having trouble smacking the head that sounds like a positioning issue
rapid lion
Yeah, probably, but part of it was that I really wanted the tail cut on nerg, and part of it is that dual blades you have such short range that you basically just want to glue yourself to the target wherever you can get away with it.
mystic cape
Yeah part of why LS is popular is tail cutting and being able to hit stuff from a slightly farther distance than other weapons
rapid lion
the Elder Wyverian actually tells you weapon popularity sometimes! Apparently longsword is #1 and dual blades is #4 (hunting horn is the rarest)
mystic cape
As it always has been
LS is the weeb and edgelord weapon, it will always be top pick
Meanwhile HH is misunderstood as a support weapon
It is a weapon with buffing power
Honestly if any weapon was "support" it'd be wide range SnS and certain LBGs
rapid lion
I kind of want to try longsword at some point; I think I tried it out once when I very first started playing the game, but I had my keybinds weird (pressing ctrl for a special attack is not intuitive, which is why I later rebound it to middle mouse) and didn't jive with it. Maybe I would now? But I really like not having to wait my turn.
stuck needle
I could never figure out m+kb key bindings that worked for me. Might've been a part of why I didn't like the ranged weapons in World, come to think of it
rapid lion
I did default but with middle click for special attack. It works less well for stuff like holding up a shield (or clinging to a monster), but it works well for firing the slinger, firing the kinsect, or stuff like that, and works fine for entering demon mode.
crude kayak
Meanwhile HH is misunderstood as a support weapon
To be fair, it's also kind of hard to get into.
Well kind of easy in rise.
In world I struggled with it, trying it out recently
halcyon fractal
Hunting Horn SWEEP
I won't lie it can be difficult to learn, especially with directional inputs
like, moving the analog stick back when in the middle of playing a note will thrust the end of the HH forward, which can shorten the buildup to a recital, at least in World
and positioning is key when trying to perform, especially with Impact Waves
since they're centered around the head of the Horn, rather than the hunter
which is difficult since, depending on directional inputs, the horn might be performing in front of the user or behind them
of course, there's also the knowledge needed to perform, as it'll lock you into an animation before applying the buffs, meaning if timed wrongly, you'll be shimmying away performing ATK Boost (XL) desperately trying to not get hit by a Glavenus blade slam
(I've done that. A lot.)
Its not easy, but its VERY rewarding. The buff potential to your team is insane, as it costs no resources (unlike a wide range build) beyond time and focus, and the damage/stunning capabalities are pretty nuts
plus its funny slamming a hugeass set of bagpipes into a Great Jagras's face
support weapon my ASS this thing deals DAMAGE
crude kayak
and positioning is key when trying to perform, especially with Impact Waves
I figured how to control in which direction doot goes when performing with Impact Waves, but kind of never managed to do good damage with them (mostly doing it at a wrong time likely with monster jumping away)
So I just resorted to spamming hilt stab into echo in monster's face 
halcyon fractal
nice
crude kayak
Still figuring out how to properly do damage with HH
brave hazel
...I have a significantly lower opinion of Furious Rajang than regular Rajang
Regular is challenging, but in a really fair and therefore fun way
Furious is challenging in the "lol oneshot" way
Which I fucking loathe
cyan tulip
Welp, Capcom couldn't be a half decent company forever, I suppose
wheat garnet
If this stops me from using the spiribird mod I'm never going back to Rise again
mystic cape
Is that the one that puts a rainbow bird at the start of every quest?
wheat garnet
Yeah
I personally found spiribird collection to be really tedious, especially in tough fights where carting was common
mystic cape
That's fair
Spiribirds are cute but collecting enough for the buffs is a pain in the butt
wheat garnet
Yeah, if they want to integrate it into the next game as something not as integral to your stats, I'd be perfectly fine with that
But having to go out of my way at the start of a hunt to gain max stats was just a pain in the but
mystic cape
What if they made it so the birds provided a temp buff and they stick with you until you engage a monster in a fight which is when the timer for the buff wearing off starts? That way going out of your way for one or two isn't a bother and you can still perform at potential without them?
wheat garnet
Yeah that'd be a cool way of doing it
It'd make it less of a hassle and incentivize learning spawn spots on the map
mystic cape
Plus it can make the funny image of this hunter in heavy spikey gear surrounded by a flock of cute birbs like a Disney Princess who's off to kill the dragon herself
brave hazel
...oh bollockin bastards, I forgot I needed to save my last Large Elder Dragon Gem for that max rank Zinogre HBG and spent it on the clockwork layered armor
At least I got new drip
mystic cape
Drip above gear
On the plus side I'm like 90% sure you can craft a Large Elder Dragom Gem at the giant magic pot woman
Elder Melder
Forgot her name for a sec
brave hazel
Yeah but I don't have any celestial prints at the moment
mystic cape
Well then you can get them via the furnace minigame
brave hazel
...oh yeah, I forgor about that
Well, it's not as if large elder dragon gems are hard to come by
Time to hit up da steamworks I guess
mystic cape
I personally farm them from Namielle since it doesn't have any other rare drops
brave hazel
Oh that's a smart idea
mystic cape
Yeah the others have their own species gem but Namielle was never in HR so it literally can't drop them since the team didn't make one up retroactively
brave hazel
...honestly I'd just keep using my Stygian HBG, but the regular Zinogre HBG is bigger
And therefore better
And also has the fun dakka special ammo
...I do wish that special ammos were more modular, like you can pick which one you want
Cause I do generally prefer wyvernsnipe
mystic cape
Eh, it's like phials in SA and CB, part of how you build the kit
brave hazel
Nothing is more satisfying than rocketing a massive fuckoff round right down a monster's body and seeing the explosion chain
mystic cape
This is true
brave hazel
Except maybe "RATATATATATATATATATATA"
...honestly, wyvernsnipe makes more sense for the Zinogre bowgun, given it REALLY closely resembles some sci fi railgun
But whatever
mystic cape
brave hazel
Man
I wish I knew how to mod
There's this one mod I wanna get, turns the Dante charge blade into Alastor and transforms the shield attack into a shotgun blast, but apparently the shotgun hasn't been working for a good 4 years now
Wish I could pick it apart and figure out what was going wrong with it
stuck needle
tbh, that kind of small project is potentially a good way to learn modding/coding in general
brave hazel
Yeah, probably
Though I can't imagine fixing someone else's code is very easy
...might be able to pay someone to do it for me...
stuck needle
it can really vary. sometimes everything is nicely laid out on github or w/e and it's just a matter of doing the research. From "X mod is broken" -> find discussion of what's broken -> look up the terms they use and how they relate to modding -> fix some typo or copy and paste something from stack overflow.
rapid lion
Sometime (not now, but sometime) would someone be willing to help me farm Nergigante (who I still have trouble beating solo, unfortunately, and I don't want to need help but also dual blades aren't great at tail cutting and I need 2 nergigante tails), and Zorah Magdaros (who is not hard so much as annoying and I don't know how to beat him at all quickly, and I need at least one gem). And then a bunch of miscellaneous stuff, like 1 jyuratodus fin+, and one regular kulu-ya-ku beak which is profoundly annoying to have to do (I wish you could have the melder downgrade hard rank materials).
mystic cape
Sure
I have all endgame gear though, so be aware it'll be carrying more than anything else
rapid lion
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
So I might solo instead rather than getting carried, if that's not a problem?
gentle knoll
what rarity is your gear right now?
also are the armors leveled up?
asking mostly due to wanting to see if i still have gear at near your gear's level
rapid lion
Uhhh 6 I think? I just beat Nergigante for the first time, and have the ability to fight Kushala Daora/Teostra/Val Haazak but have not yet done so.
And my armor isn't all leveled (and honestly should), but I'm also about to replace 2 pieces of my armor very soon.
gentle knoll
i'll take a look when i get off work in like half an hour
by very soon do you mean after the list of monsters are beaten or independent of them?
rapid lion
I mean, I have access to the monsters which drop the pieces for the armor I want and have slain them but not enough to get the relevent parts.
gentle knoll
cause if you can't get past those walls, might as well invest a tad in survivability to get past them before farming up more spheres
gentle knoll
oh then yeah for sure get those and throw balls at them when you get them
rapid lion
technically I've captured them not slain them
mystic cape
Yeah be sure to upgrade your armor if possible, as getting those up to current max will help a lot
Also look at slotting in the Health Boost decoration, as that skill at max is the best defensive increase in the game
gentle knoll
sometimes you might need to tank the morale and cut a tail
rapid lion
there's actually a lot of monsters which I have never killed and only ever captured because I always try to capture by default which is a problem for materials which are more common to carve than to get as rewards but c'est la vie
crude kayak
Entered a sos of a low level MR player hunting glavenus
With impact phial charge blade
someone else joined with similar setup
poor glavenus as we both put on rocksteady and just go full in on savage axe mode
twilit granite
sHIT I CAN'T START RISE ANYMORE CAUSE OF THE NO MODS UPDATE
crude kayak
rip
crude kayak
sHIT I CAN'T START RISE ANYMORE CAUSE OF THE NO MODS UPDATE
have you tried reinstallin reframework?
I think it's supposed to be updated.
brave hazel
...man
I forgot how fun shotgun HBG is
This shit is fucking awesome
It's a bit clunky, but the shield that's almost always active helps compensate for that
And the damage
Oh my god the damage
20 per pellet on average 7 times, all at once
And it seems weirdly good at making monsters fall over if I unload buckshot into their face
So fucking satisfying
crude kayak
It's a bit clunky, but the shield that's almost always active helps compensate f...
shield?
mystic cape
Bowguns can get specia attachments to improve or modify performance
HBG can get a shield that blocks damage while aiming int he direction of the attack and not firing
crude kayak
huh
balmy swan
It's like if you want your gunlance to have more gun and less lance
trim zenith
If you’re that annoyed you don’t have to play but there’s no need for that tone here
brave hazel
Goddamn this thing kicks ass
Just casually lugging around a fucking railcannon
Kinda wish it didn't have the crossbow arms, but I suppose they add character
halcyon fractal
👀
oh hell yeah, the zino/stygian zino HBG fucking SLAPS
in its previous incarnation, in 4th Gen, it was a pierce HBG
and had access to the almighty siege mode/crouching fire
which allowed you to become immobile and just pump out a lot of bowgun shots fully automatically
crude kayak
I do enjoy the thinly veiled pretense that those are all crossbows in monhun
brave hazel
which allowed you to become immobile and just pump out a lot of bowgun shots ful...
So Wyvernheart, but cooler?
halcyon fractal
practically! Since it used your ammo instead of wyvernheart
so like
imagine shooting a LOT of pierce shots very quickly
brave hazel
I do enjoy the thinly veiled pretense that those are all crossbows in monhun
"No no, these are crossbows, they just shoot bullets. Don't look at the ones that are just straight up rifles those are anomalies."
halcyon fractal
sorta like in sunbreak with the crouching fire mode for HBGs
brave hazel
imagine shooting a LOT of pierce shots very quickly
Jesus Christ and I thought those LBGs that can burst fire pierce were ridiculous
I guess they must've inverted the Stygian HBG in World, cause now it's a primo Spread bowgun but can only fire Pierce 1
full sage
rest in peace valor kushala hbg
halcyon fractal
😔
halcyon fractal
Jesus Christ and I thought those LBGs that can burst fire pierce were ridiculous
oh yeah it was the TITS in the damage department
halcyon fractal
I guess they must've inverted the Stygian HBG in World, cause now it's a primo S...
my guess is they wanted to have that cool af bowgun model in Iceborne without it fading into obscurity due to its ammo coverage
brave hazel
True
...god it's so fucking funny to me that at this point, it's not even a punt gun because it's so goddamn massive
That's just straight up a flak railcannon
full sage
brave hazel
Goddamn
I wish HBG had that sort of variety in World, it's a bit dull as is
Though the special ammos are fun
brave hazel
I'm just glad they buffed Spread, I hear it used to be trash
halcyon fractal
it was 😔
also the variety in HBGs are just, mwah! excellent
seltas hbg
narjarala hbg
full sage
got the shagaru one on hand?
full sage
i used to normal gun with that, if i recall correctly
halcyon fractal
shagaru magala hbg
brave hazel
Oh that's slick
full sage
i still don't know whether I'd call the kushala hbg or the silverwind lbg my favorite gun to use in gu
full sage
... well, i guess i just liked pierce ammo.
brave hazel
I probably couldn't use old HBGs, I only really enjoy Spread ones
Cause they just feel powerful
Normal ammo just feels like I'm plinking away at a monster, but Spread makes shit feel really active
halcyon fractal
🤔 true
i just prefer the sheet amount of shots going through a monster
also some of the other weapons in GU also looked sick
Gore Magala Switch Axe
Its in sunbreak too 👀
brave hazel
I'd like Spread more, but I feel too pressured to position myself properly
brave hazel
also some of the other weapons in GU also looked sick
Gore Magala Switch Axe
Oh my god
That would convince me to try swaxe
full sage
full sage
the joy of the gore magala lance can't be solely captured in still images
halcyon fractal
nercyslla charge blade
halcyon fractal
the joy of the gore magala lance can't be solely captured in still images
speaking of which
sharq attack
full sage
.... oh, right, seltas queen hammer and dual blades are also really good
... the hammer especially had fun animations.
halcyon fractal
MY DRILL IS THE DRILL THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS
also extends to the seltas GL
but like
its blunt
like look at this thing
I used to have one before realizing GL is kinda poopy
one last thing
I can't believe I forgot the gunhammer
brave hazel
Excellent
halcyon fractal
I miss seltas and his queen
they were such cool monsters
since like
they were neopterons! Bugs that were large monsters!
brave hazel
Neopetrons? Damn, I didn't know Monster Hunter collabed with Neopets.
huehuehuehuehuehue
halcyon fractal
🤔 fr tho, its a bug
tbf seltas isn't exactly impressive
for a monster of its threat, it goes down REALLY fast
The Queen, however...
imagine a four legged, walking TANK of a bug, equipped with a pincer tail, water blasts, AND crushing claws
And, befitting its nature of being the female of the Seltas species, it can do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgaENq73xcA
brave hazel
Know what I wish we could've kept, that one Gear REX monster from the Metal Gear crossover
halcyon fractal
it INJECTS pheromones into the male seltas to make it completely, utterly subservent to the Big Bug.
Then they combine.
yeah, its a combining mecha bug
And that's not going into the ACTUAL mecha bug in monster hunter
full sage
halcyon fractal
hehe
brave hazel
I thought it killed its own drone for a moment there and I was about to ask "why though"
full sage
lunch, mostly
halcyon fractal
I thought it killed its own drone for a moment there and I was about to ask "why...
oh it does that too
brave hazel
And that's not going into the ACTUAL mecha bug in monster hunter
That one bug from... fuck, I can't recall
But I watched a video on him about how well he subverted expectations
full sage
the sub species seltas gets used as a projectile weapon...
brave hazel
Like, you go in, final boss is a bug that's frankly not that threatening, you get kinda disillusioned, then SYKE BITCH I GOT A FUCKING DRAGON MECH
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the sub species seltas gets used as a projectile weapon...
And then it shatters on impact
which is a traumatic experience for both the Seltas and any hunter who gets in the way
full sage
i have fond memories of that one fucked up nerscylla spread jaws attack animation
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shears!
it just YOINKS out its fangs with the most disgusting schlorping noise ever
then it scissors you with them
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Closest we got is Vaal and his variant
brave hazel
...honestly I wish we got a Resident Evil monster for the RE crossover instead of just Blackveil Vaal
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Oh that's nasty
Did I mention Nerscylla flays the skin of a monster and wears its hide?
brave hazel
The thunder resistant ones, right?
full sage
it's gypceros though, so everyone is fine with this
brave hazel
Except Gypceros, but fuck em
brave hazel
...honestly I wish we got a Resident Evil monster for the RE crossover instead o...
Would've worked so fucking well too, and we already have Leshen and Behemoth from other crossovers so there's no reason we couldn't have another crossover monster
Fuck, I'd kill to fight a horrifying biomass of body horror with Monster Hunter weapons
...though I suppose the implication that Umbrella somehow got their hands on a Vaal Haazak is interesting on its own, even though that's 100% not what happened
Still, I'm headcanoning it as "Umbrella somehow managed to cross dimensions, get a Vaal and stick T Virus into it"
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🤔
brave hazel
Holy shit, look at this end of mission screencap I got of my friend
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👀 pretty
brave hazel
Is Arch Tempered Namielle any worse than regular?
I remember regular Namielle was really easy for me
mystic cape
It's got more damage and HP
brave hazel
Any new movesets or same as regular Namielle?
mystic cape
I don't remember new moves but it's been a while
crude kayak
Any new movesets or same as regular Namielle?
Don't think it has any new moves but I remember it being just generally more aggro
brave hazel
Eh, I play HBG, I'm used to being hyperfocused
Idk why but it feels like ranged weapons draw aggro more than melee ones
Or maybe it's just I run a shotgun build that deals stupid amounts of damage
crude kayak
I don't think there's mmo style damage draws aggro system in mhw
save for special monsters with that mechanic
But if I had to guess, attack that target hunters at range should be more apparent? Compared to swipes at melee ones that don't require monster to reposition/make obvious ranged attack
Or it might have something to do with hitting the head specifically?
I don't remember
brave hazel
Anyone care to squad up for Kulve Taroth siege? Need to get me some Kjarr weapons.
rapid lion
the downside to always capturing monsters by default: sometimes you need a carve item and that's really annoying.
rapid lion
Fortunately I can also get it via part break. Unfortunately that part is the back.
Rathalos Medulla. I'll also need some more Jyuratodus Fins, always, forever... but I've put that one off a bit because I am sick of fighting Jyuratodus. (And that's another one I should carve for, and yet still capture for.)
brave hazel
I think you can meld those with Gold Melding Tickets? Though that might be at a later point than where you're at.
Believe it's also possible to get one as an investigation reward
My best advice is bring an insect glaive with a kinsect that has the Blunt damage property, bring it down, and then tag its back to have your kinsect start smacking it if you need more consistent back break methods
rapid lion
I haven't built an insect glaive this playthrough... but that's not a bad idea. I might try to just... aim for that in particular, though.
Also, I have not yet fought Bezelgeuse, but I have managed to get 2 talons via plunderblade/footprints. How dumb would it be to immediately make the Armortalon/Powertalon? I don't feel like I'm gonna use the armor, and I can't make the dual blades immediately and don't desperately want them... I think I'm going to because it's basically just a passive upgrade always and that'll be nice.
brave hazel
They're both really good from what I can tell
If you stack armortalon and armorcharm, you can get a free +30 defense
Which is pretty damn good
And you can get +15 base attack with a powercharm and a powertalon stacked, which is also pretty damn good
rapid lion
Yeah that's what I was thinking more or less.
brave hazel
Like, it's not a massive boost by any means
But if you have the space for it, I highly recommend you snag all four
rapid lion
I think I have the space for it, yeah. And I have the money. So I'm grabbing them. (I already had the charms; I just upgraded them and bought replacement charms.)
Also I still have to farm Nergigante a ton... there are just... so many things to farm. (Monster Hunter in a nutshell, really.)
I really really wish there was a way to downgrade high-rank materials to low-rank, though. Having to get low-rank materials to go down a path you haven't gone down yet is so annoying.
brave hazel
It is
rapid lion
I'm half-tempted to send out a low-rank tailrider expedition if the monster I want (Kulu-Ya-Ku) is there because I need 4 more beaks.
Also, I realized I could use a gold wyverian print to make a zorah magdaros gem, so I did! ...then I used that gem for a Free Elem charm, then realized that it's not really worthwhile with only one point and I now only have one gold wyverian print left and I'm tempted to use it on a zorah gem as well to make the blast dual blades not counting the defender "we want you to rush to the endgame content" dual blades
brave hazel
You can get a free Gold ticket come Sunday, I believe
rapid lion
That's good, at least. I... I have to farm a lot of stuff. And not just a lot of the same thing... and I always want to capture even when I probably should carve because I will need a lot of jyuratodus fins+.
brave hazel
If you want, I can lend a hand, speed things along
rapid lion
I quit for the night, but I appreciate the offer. What I really want is help fighting Nergigante, in a way that'll be help and not just instantly smashing through it. But also I kind of need to tail cut because the nergigante dual blades take 2 tails.
brave hazel
I get it
Can't really pop an SOS flare because lord knows some bored endgame player with full Fatalis kit will come and stomp the thorny shit for fun
rapid lion
I've been just hosting settings to play solo without getting swamped by people, which also means no SOS, but honestly solo playing has been working out well for me. If I did multiplayer, I'd want to do it with people I know (or at least someone know, not just random anonymous strangers).
brave hazel
...I may be the bored endgame player in question, though I didn't have Fatalis kit
That's entirely valid
rapid lion
I could pick up a new weapon type and use that to hunt Kulu-Ya-Ku again rather than taking high-rank weapons into low-rank content, but then I'd probably need to just farm more low-rank content...
(part of that is that my brain will explode if I do not have a weapon for every upgrade branch, or at least attempt to. I've skipped a few. And am now regretting it, to be clear.)
I should clarify that I'm counting people here as people I at least indirectly know. Mostly because we can communicate outside of the game. I just don't want to do multiplayer with total strangers.
brave hazel
Reckon this was worth a Great Spiritvein Gem
DAMN this armor looks cool
I really like how they leaned into Buddhist concepts like dharma and such for Shara's gear
mellow harness
Really fucking disappointed with the model for the female defender armor. Specifically the leggings. Shitty sexualzed armor unfortunately isn't uncommon in world, but this one i though was actually going to be decent. Nope, bare thighs and a slit down the middle of the cloak thingy so your constantly like.. upskirting your own character.
brave hazel
...boy howdy I sure to fucking adore the fact that behemoth can destroy its own comets and completely fuck you over
Real fun almost beating him but then the comet breaks
...at this point I'm half considering just downloading some instakill cheat mod just for some catharsis
I've been beating my head against a metaphorical wall for MONTHS with this stupid quest
At this point I don't care about the layered armor, I want some catharsis against this godawfully designed fight
trim zenith
If you’re not having fun with something you’re under no obligation to continue it
brave hazel
I know, and I wish I could stop, but the completionist part of my brain won't let me
...god, I'm mostly just frustrated this time because it was so close
One more Sephiroth moment and it would've been over for me forever
trim zenith
It’s worth sitting back and evaluating what you’re getting out of this
brave hazel
Besides cool layered armor?
trim zenith
I meant emotionally yes
brave hazel
Sorry, I wasn't trying to sound snarky
I just realized it probably came across as such
trim zenith
You’re all good
trim zenith
You’re not whining and no need to apologise
rapid lion
out of curiousity: what are everyone's favorite monsters? (can be based on whatever, or you can do favorite battle vs aesthetics, or pick multiple rather than just pinning down one.) Personally, I think Legiana is my favorite monster, with Odogaron in a close second.
full sage
glavenus, though mizutsune and astalos are close.
rapid lion
I... have not ever fought any of those yet, but from the tiny amounts I know I bet I'd like them.
wheat garnet
Nargacuga
outer heron
out of curiousity: what are everyone's favorite monsters? (can be based on what...
top 5 are lagiacrus, nergigante, namielle, gore magala, bazelgeuse
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V a l s t r a x
brave hazel
Rajang
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...kirin is a strong elder dragon??
outer heron
not especially
it's the only elder dragon with no unique theme, it's the only elder dragon with a non-elder predator, it's the only elder dragon that can be fought at the lowest "tier" of difficulty (low rank in World)
it's the only elder dragon that didn't scare away small monsters (changed in gen u)
it's also the smallest Large Monster in the series, outside of like
Mini Monster special quests
afaik it's definitively the weakest elder dragon in the series
mellow harness
out of curiousity: what are everyone's favorite monsters? (can be based on what...
Only played base world, but currently it's tobi kadatchi due to the design.
zenith sedge
Mine is Gigginox, though Goss Harag and Gobul are pretty high up as well
mystic cape
It's hard to say, seems to vary from game to game
Though I do have an affinity for Tigrex
mystic cape
?
wicked prism
out of curiousity: what are everyone's favorite monsters? (can be based on what...
Rathalos and Barroth
brave hazel
Respectable, Rathalos is THE Monster Hunter monster for a good reason and that's because he fucking rocks
mystic cape
Also first flagship
brave hazel
Aye
I only really enjoy rajang more because he's more unique
Haven't played any other game that lets me fight King Kong's younger, angrier brother
gentle knoll
out of curiousity: what are everyone's favorite monsters? (can be based on what...
mhgu the fated four (gammoth, astalos, mizutsune, glavenus)
granted gammoth is kinda shafted in design in my opinion
rugged anvil
out of curiousity: what are everyone's favorite monsters? (can be based on what...
Astalos (Rise), Rakna-Kadachi (Rise), Volvidon (Rise), Glavenus (World), Vaal Hazak (World)
rapid lion
Seeing some great responses! Some I don't think about that much, some I haven't really heard of and don't know about, but they're all good. (Tobi-Kadachi is also definitely up there. And Barroth — another fun one with Insect Glaive.)
full sage
in retrospect, i didn't think I'd enjoy goss harag's fight as much as i did, but it's a really good experience over all, even if i never had any reason to make literally any of its gear
rapid lion
I'm not buying Iceborne until I beat all the vanilla content and/or it goes on sale, but honestly, remembering Hoarfrost Legiana is making me tempted again. Is Hoarfrost Legiana a good fight, and does Legiana show up again in Rise?
full sage
legiana is not in rise
i thought the variant legiana was called shrieking though, is there also a subspecies?
outer heron
i thought the variant legiana was called shrieking though, is there also a subsp...
nah, I think they're confusing it with hoarfrost reach
which is the IB zone
full sage
ah, i wouldn't know off the top of my head
rapid lion
Yeah, I got the words mixed up.
I'm just upset it's not better because I genuinely love Legiana's fight, although that's partially due to using Insect Glaive first, and Dual Blades second (in a room with a big slope to jump off of). I think I also remember fighting it with Gunlance once or twice? The point is that all of those match up well against it; I could see the fight being terrible if you used Hammer or something.
So when you say "Shrieking Legiana is worse", are you saying it's doing more of what base Legiana does, or less of it?
...my opinion of Legiana is that it's not too easy, but every time I get hit, it's my fault. It doesn't do weirdly huge and poorly-telegraphed attacks, or roar constantly, or chain knockdown into roar into wind pressure into roar into knockdown, or randomly hip-check you (It has some midair pseudo-hip-checks if you're going glaive on it, but even then, it's the start of a dashing attack and not just it repositioning) and its ice is very possible to dodge... but not trivial to dodge, and it can exert a lot of pressure on you as you deal with Iceblight and its high mobility and long range.
Iceblight's also great from a design perspective because you really need to deal with it quickly because it hampers your ability to do the frequent dodges necessary, but doesn't stop you from pulling off a dodge to break away and eat a nulberry.
Also I somehow didn't know until literally now that rolling clears thunderblight? Not sure how I didn't know that.
...did I share my idea for a rolling brute wyvern here ever?
wicked prism
I think the most fun I had with a fight that wasn't like DESIGNED in that way like Fatalis or whatever
is Velkhana
because I hit a flow with Velkhana once that really fucking cemented itself in my brain
where I was just sword fighting a dragon
and it was sick as hell
I had to grind Rathalos so much that I can just do that fight by rote though
outer heron
So when you say "Shrieking Legiana is worse", are you saying it's doing *more* o...
it's just a legiana that yells more
it adds ice element to a few of its attacks, it's got a new move or two, but fundamentally it's just "legi +++screaming"
wicked prism
I like the idea that Shrieking Legianna are like Whale Pod matriarchs
they don't mate they just raise children and protect the nest
rapid lion
I had to grind Rathalos so much that I can just do that fight by rote though
oof... I kind of got that way with Jyuratodus... I think in the past I got that way with Odogaron on my first (Insect Glaive) playthrough, kind ot? But Odogaron is fun. Also, against Odogaron (and with glaive in general) I feel like a matador for a lot of the fights (but in the romanticized way). I don't know if that makes sense.
brave hazel
it's just a legiana that yells more
It also does this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CKAN4RLoZY
outer heron
oh yeah, that one's cool
full sage
there was a flow state wielding a long sword versus glavenus way back in generations that I have been chasing ever since
brave hazel
Scared the SHIT out of me when I first heard it
outer heron
same
brave hazel
It's so weirdly terrifying even now
Like, that doesn't sound like a legiana, that sounds like some horrible elder dragon that's about to swing by and eat you
brave hazel
Honestly, it'd be neat if we sometimes just randomly heard Shara yell at us
...man
I really wish I could find a mod that just removes the crossbow arms from the bowguns
I know their entire design philosophy is "part bow, part gun" but I'd really prefer just gun for a lot of bowguns
Like the Stygian Humilitas, everything about its design is sleek, high tech railgun, and yet it still has crossbow arms
...then again I suppose it does add some character
crude kayak
fancy
brave hazel
Is a Dispersal charm worth using for a Spread 3 heavy bowgun build?
Or is the damage boost too small to really be worth it?
mystic cape
You in HR or MR?
I ask because priorty of damage increasing perks varies slightly between the two
mystic cape
Do you have the critical increases and critical boost and agitator?
brave hazel
I have crit increases and a crit boost, but not agitator
I'm guessing an Agitator charm takes precedence over a Dispersal charm
mystic cape
Assuming you can get it on from armor and decos
Also Attack Boost, once you got that and WEX going on
brave hazel
I've got garuga and teostra kit at the moment, though that's mostly for my Raging Brachy charge blade build
Any armor you'd recommend?
mystic cape
Admittedly my experience with HBG is limited but having Teostra and Raging Brachy armor should be a good starting point to get that-- Wait, does Teostra secret affect Bowguns?
brave hazel
It 100% does not, why I need some new armor
I'll look into Raging Brachy armor
Would let me keep my Dispersal charm, give me a FUCKLOAD of decoration slots, snag some decent defense...
Yeah raging brachy seems best for HBG
...only issue is, I used up most of my raging brachydios parts making the raging brachy SnS and greatsword
So now I gotta go fight him again
Ugggggggggggh
brave hazel
You know what I kinda wanna see
An elder dragon that's just a giant sentient plant or a mass of plants
Some shit like Biollante
...I think leshen kinda counts, actually...
From what I can see it's made of wood
Eh, whatever, I'd still like to see something more obviously planty
mystic cape
Leshen's not a MH monster, it's a Witcher 3 creature
brave hazel
True, so it doesn't actually count I guess
rapid lion
Very happy that I managed to kill Nergigante twice in a row and get a tail cut each time and only carted once on each, since that let me make the nergigante dual blades. Less happy that I still need one more !@#!@#@ Jyuratodus Fin+ and I should probably just get that over with so I can upgrade my water dual blades (well, I could do the workshop tree ones, but those are worse outside of the decoration slots which I don't have enough good decorations to fill).
brave hazel
Would anyone care to lend a hand with the MR arena quests? I'm not good enough to solo them with the garbage builds they give you.
Seriously who on Earth made those builds, most of them are awful
There is the full Velkhana set for Zinogre, but I'm not good enough at longsword yet to use it
crude kayak
Joining someone's sos for Kulve Taroth. Someone else joins, sits at camp writing - I will just hide here
rapid lion
Trying to decide if I should log in and do a mission tonight (I probably shouldn't, but I kind of want to?)
crude kayak
Trying to decide if I should log in and do a mission tonight (I probably shouldn...
Why not?
rapid lion
late and slightly eepy and I should probably sleep
also idk what I'd do. ...jyuratodus again? Dick around with expeditions hunting for rare endemic life, and hope that I can get that one last fin from tailriders?
crude kayak
Those don't sound too helpful for sleeping, especially if you aren't sure what to do even.
full sage
rare endemic life hunting was easily my favorite part of world, but
there will still be monsters to hunt and expeditions to... expedite in the morning
rapid lion
It's the crake. I need to get the crake. I got them last playthrough. But... yeah... I kinda just feel like I want to do something, but that something should not be wandering around half-braindead missing a small bird, or randomly botching my trillionth jyuratodus fight.
brave hazel
...I keep finding these odd looking coralbirds, and I swear to god they're noticeably more golden than the regular ones, but when I net them they're just regular coralbirds
I feel like I'm going nuts
Like that's distinctly more golden hued than a normal coralbird
balmy swan
so i don't know why i'm in such a bowgun mood these days but that's what i keep coming back to as i pick MHW back up
going to give Tobi-Kadachi a shot with heavy bowgun and see how that feels in a hunt
brave hazel
Gunlance, but without the lance
brave hazel
Real
Kinda wish HBG could guard point
Would add some more meat to its mechanics
...though I'm unsure how it would guard point...
brave hazel
...god the pin mechanic is so fucking stupid
"Shit, monster knocked me down, I'm just gonna lay here instead of just rolling off to the side or getting back up"
I'm not even mad at it, mostly just baffled
It's only gotten me killed a few times that I can remember, but every time I'm just left wondering "why are you just laying there"
wicked prism
Drama and also because you just got hit by a monster weighing as much as a house
You can also use your slingshot while pinned
brave hazel
I mean, true, but what makes that hit pin you and not any of the other hits?
wicked prism
You got hit downwards
real zodiac
Sometimes when you get big kinetic'd, you just gotta pit yourself back together for a few moments
I remember a few times I got bowled while skiing it took me a few to get my witts back
trim zenith
Some hits just knock the wind outta ya
brave hazel
True, but aren't the Hunter canonically superhumans or some such? Like, I can imagine they wouldn't need to take as long to pull themselves together again.
...might be bullshit though
brave hazel
...why is this dude using a Fatalis greatsword on Alatreon
Of all people, they should know dragon isn't the element you want to bring for this
Unless there's something I don't know about Alatreon
crude kayak
Unless there's something I don't know about Alatreon
I mean still beats something with no element at all 
Tho as I remember fatalis' weapons have almost no elemental
brave hazel
Speaking of, how much element do I need to proc?
It feels like if I don't deal two quintillion ice damage in three seconds I may as well just quit
Honestly at this point I'm considering brute forcing it
crude kayak
Speaking of, how much element do I need to proc?
I'm not sure but it's head and hands take more elemental through
brave hazel
Yeah I know that, and I've been aiming for it, but I never feel like I'm doing enough elemental
...doesn't help that he's hard to hit
crude kayak
Yeah I know that, and I've been aiming for it, but I never feel like I'm doing e...
How much elemental do you have on your weapon?
brave hazel
Frostfang CB, so about... 300ish?
Lemme check the wiki
No, 480
Maybe I should try using Kushala/Velkhana armor to boost it
I know I can hit 600ish with enough Kushala pieces
And if I get two Velkhana pieces I can boost that further on crits
crude kayak
No, 480
Should be good with couple of ice attack ups I think
Unless alty in ice mode obviously
brave hazel
Half considering brute forcing this
brave hazel
Jesus, they've been at it a while now
rapid lion
Just saw a bunch of crakes, tried to catch them, had net, and just... didn't pull it up and fire it at first and not sure why because I was trying to. And then they got away entirely and despawned. And my ghillie was on cooldown. I'm pissed that I've spent so long looking for them and then can't do anything with them.
brave hazel
The capture net fucking sucks, it's done that for me too
Pissall range, too
If you're crake hunting, I recommend going between Wildspire and Forest until you find some on the backs of the Ankylosaurus or the Parasaurolophus looking mfs, don't gotta return from an expedition to reset the chances of them spawning, just swap between the two biomes until you find the little dudes
I know they can spawn on grandfather mantagrells too, but they're harder to get
rapid lion
I've been checking all across those two spots, until I get bored and/or frustrated (this does not take long). I also try to find hercudrones when I can! I can never spot them, though.
brave hazel
Prism hercudromes?
I found two in the Rotten Vale near the second camp, I... cannot remember where precisely, unfortunately
Somewhere in Sector 11
rapid lion
I'm 99% sure they can spawn in the Ancient Forest near some crake spawn points? So I'm trying to double-dip. Also, I don't think I ever got the rarest hard-mode unique mushroom so there's that too. Three things I'm having no luck with.
brave hazel
I'd ask if you're running Zoomaster, but I know you can't really reliably get it all the time until Iceborne
crude kayak
Fatalis was finally defeated.
not that I can do it reliably
Now to run it many more times with plunderblade palico to farm mats.
brave hazel
I'm still stuck on Alatreon lmao
crude kayak
I'd be glad to help, but assume timezones aren't the best for kazakhstan/americas play
brave hazel
Eh. I'm something of a night owl, time zones shouldn't be a huge issue.
Isn't it technically easier to solo Alatreon since the elemental topple point is significantly lower than in multiplayer, though?
crude kayak
Isn't it technically easier to solo Alatreon since the elemental topple point is...
I would assume it scales same as with health, so should technically be easier with people
brave hazel
I see
In which case, I will more than happily accept your help
...though part of me is contemplating farming Alatreon via Plunderblade to get his armor set before I even beat him
Just because it would be fucking hilarious
I already have enough for the helmet lmao
crude kayak
Will be around 8 hours till I wil lbe around for that tho 
brave hazel
I still gotta beat tempered Lunastra in the guiding lands anyway
Need more materials for my agitator charm
brave hazel
...man, Namielle's mist attack is so weird
Like, that one move she'll sometimes pull when she wants to whack someone behind her, where she sprays like a garden hose mist of water
Not in that she can do it, but moreso in that it deals literally any damage at all
Like, it's a misting of water, how does it send me flying onto my rear
It's not even annoying because it barely does any damage, it's just
Weird
crude kayak
It's angry water
brave hazel
Y'all got any tips for farming Dragonsphires?
I kinda wanna get the Alatreon layered armor
Shit's cool looking, if rather edgy
mystic cape
Cut and carve the tail and make sure to break the horns (which you should have been doing anyway)
Otherwise you just kill it dead, and maybe plunderblade
brave hazel
...random thought that just occurred to me
Do y'all reckon FromSoft got the idea of Elden Ring's red lightning from White Fatalis?
mystic cape
shrug I mean, I've thought of "red lightening" before I even knew that existed so it's not outside the realm of coincidence
brave hazel
True, I mostly meant in that it's associated with the ancient dragons
I know red lightning has been a thing before, but the fact that both associate red lightning with an incredibly ancient and powerful dragon seems a little too close to be a coincidence for me
outer heron
I don't think it's very likely
white fatalis isn't exactly like
a high-profile thing
brave hazel
That's true
outer heron
white fatalis is basically official fanfiction
since it's "what if fatalis changed color and got lightning when it was super old and scary"
ignoring the fact that fatalis is already super old and scary
like, the whole point of the thing is that it's the only elder dragon that's canonically been around since before the current era
and that's hundreds of years, even a couple thousand
mystic cape
But what if it were also the young one among it's species and also somehow weaker motions at Crimson Fatalis being the origin of Fatalis basic apparently
brave hazel
Ah, I see
outer heron
yeah, fatalis has a fuckton of shitty Official Fanfic in its variants
brave hazel
FUCK this armor set is cool
It's a shame it sucks compared to what I currently have, but at least I can layer it
balmy swan
get that longcoat
rapid lion
How much would it suck to try to play a bit of World without audio (and by extension without audio cues)? Probably I could do some easier fights, and just wouldn't want to do more difficult stuff, or stuff where I use audio cues a lot for dodging? This simply requires consciously identifying the fights in which I do that.
Also, beat Teostra, first try, without carting! I was entirely expecting a much worse fight, but once I got over how long its tail was and how it tended to move (to handle hip checks (my beloathed)) it was actually a pretty fun fight! Which is good, because I'm considering trying to farm it a bit for a second armor set separate from my greedy legiana armor set.
Also, I literally had to look up what makes Latent Power trigger, and I still have no clue how good it is. I think I need to look up what my HP is to figure out how much 180 is. Like, is this "taking a serious hit", or "almost getting 1-shot"?
...mega potions heal 70. So 180 is... a lot. So it's active Sometimes and unless I want to play really weird timer shenanigans it's basically random.
rapid lion
I have another problem. Yes, I found a downy crake. But I finally got around to moving into the private suite, and there are so many pet placement locations which do not currently have Downy Crakes in them...
mellow harness
ive only watched youtube vids on icebourne, but i just saw a vid where someone joins a SOS for a alatreon fight where their using a fatalis charge blade. Dont you have to get through alatreon to get to fatalis? and therefore you should know using a non elemental weapon against him isnt a good idea?
rapid lion
I put off all my low-rank arena quests, and I am so upset about the fact that I'm absolutely going to have to go back and do all of them... and the longer I put them off, the dumber it'll be. Should I try out a different weapon type to make them less trivial, or just do them when they're way too easy and let my brain go numb?
brave hazel
Also, I literally had to look up what makes Latent Power trigger, and I *still* ...
It's cumulative, you don't have to take it all at once
Once you take a total of 180 damage it'll proc
rapid lion
Ohhhh, that changes things... somewhat. That's still more damage than I'd want to be taking. But it's substantially more plausible. Does it count damage absorbed by the Vitality Mantle?
brave hazel
Unsure
I know it just adds a second health bar so it should?
I should test that, actually, that's a really good question
brave hazel
ive only watched youtube vids on icebourne, but i just saw a vid where someone j...
They're either a dumbass or a god at the game, no in between
You can seal Escaton with Dragon, it's just very much not the best element you could be using
Charge blade does get a fuckton of elemental procs in savage axe, though, which probably helped them out
brave hazel
...mega potions heal 70. So 180 is... a *lot*. So it's active Sometimes and un...
Side note, I'd recommend using max potions in your hunts rather than mega potions. Takes up more space in your inventory cause you've gotta have like 6 different ingredients on hand, but I've found it's leagues better than waiting to chug a potion only to have to chug another immediately after.
rapid lion
I… forget to take crafting ingredients with me, honestly? And “1 mega potion’s worth” is a reasonable point of comparison.
mystic cape
Do you at least remember to take your charms and talons with you? Both cause they stack.
outer heron
Side note, I'd recommend using max potions in your hunts rather than mega potion...
farming kelbi horns and extract
brave hazel
...fuck I need to go farm kelbi horns
outer heron
the only sane solution is modding them in, but just
brave hazel
I just feel fucking awful when I do it
outer heron
just bring maxes
and your ancient
and accept that megas are fine
or use the shop mod
brave hazel
Oh, I got Kjarr Strongarm Numb today, that one Kulve CB with Paralysis, is it any good?
outer heron
that one cuts out the repeated annoying effort
no, KT status weapons are worse than their safi equivalents afaik
outer heron
but kjarr duals, switch axes, and charge blades specifically beat out safi or fatalis weapons for their appropriate element, iirc
not sure what the threshold is for when their ele is better than fatalis' raw
but I think it's at ~2* weakness
and it's only for those weapons, if I'm remembering the charts right
(also the taroth weapons are never good iirc)
(just kjarr and just for ele on db, swaxe, cb)
(maybe ig? I'll have to find the graphs again)
wicked prism
brave hazel
Anyone wanna run tempered behemoth sometime?
Wanna get that drachen layered armor
Now that I have some real endgame kit, it should hopefully be slightly less ass
