MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[crisp night]

chilling, hopefully gonna actually play a game of maleghast today or tomorrow depending on when i get the time

[dense crest]

working being a BORE as always

[versed basin]

Going alright. Got to play a bit more Abhorrers recently with the match me and Matthaeus did, but got more house to run still.

Carcass to completion, not feeling like playing Garg or DS though, also wanna go testing a few homebrews (Zeitlos or Caligo), things like that.

[primal nest]

Hell yeah

New week means more work for me

Gonna be doing some Necro art stuff and also work on the maps assets more

Hopefully wanna get the latter done before the next update, since more eyes are gonna be on the game again

[primal nest]

we back in there

[crisp night]

finally....Scum mode

[primal nest]

yooooo rolled a 6 on pustulate

[crisp night]

let's fucking go

i don't play mox much anymore (ive become too obsessed with abhorrers and carcass) but i still root for them even over the factions i play

watch those little green fellas go

[primal nest]

Yeye

[crisp night]

i have a rules question because i cant seem to find it anywhere and its making me feel foolish

do you still have to roll for non-attack, non-curse actions

like homonculus's absorb

ones that target enemies specifically

[pale echo]

Do they have an effect die?

[crisp night]

no im just wondering if you have to roll for it to hit or if that's just attacks

for the record i'd check my pdf but my computer is doing a little trolling and refusing to open any files

[pale echo]

Nope, no roll

Things just happen. Although if there's an effect die, yeah you gotta roll that

[crisp night]

yeah i getcha

tanks 👍

[primal nest]

Does Deathburst happen when damage that slays is dealt or when the ability resolves?

[real bane]

Abhorrer/Igorri and drawing, name a more iconic duo

[primal nest]

round 2

we are shroomed up

[winged belfry]

do y'all find leanning hard into hazards is the way to go with Gargamox?

[real bane]

They're a part of the kit, to be sure, but I often find a more balanced approach more useful

[crisp night]

the two times i played mox i leaned all the way into hazards

because it was really funny

i mostly do team comps that amuse me

for example; goregrinders list of one berserker and eight warheads

[winged belfry]

oh hell yeah

of course I do get building for funny, that's my main impetus for making a new team
although I do wonder about Real Strategy eventually

I do have to test out this Unholy Sixgun build-around

[primal nest]

it feels good

you get alot of area denial with it

definitely more interestin than triple rotten

which btw

til that the first hit of rotblade isnt phys dmg?

[storm pine]

There is wisdom here

Thematic>meta every single time

Not that there's much of a meta in this game

Everything is really well balanced 🤷‍♂️

[primal nest]

anotha mox dub

clutched it out with unholy vapors

[thorn sky]

Worlds Highest Necromancer

[crisp night]

magic mushrooms in anzen must go crazy

[primal nest]

thoughts

• hosts feel good. definitely squishy like most hunters usually are but they can really start puttin in alot of work real fast
• it is really weird that the first hit of rotblade isnt phys dmg. would be nice if that was the case since Mox could use like one more phys dmg source
• Indignation continues to make the scum sad

[thorn sky]

i'm on that dark necro pack
this shit was watered with the blood of minor demons

[crisp night]

this devil impact ain't nothin to me man

[surreal bronze]

HERE I AM.

MWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA.

[thorn sky]

RATTLE ME BONES, A NEW NECROMANCER HAS ENTERED ANZENMEZZERON!

[surreal bronze]

The boys looking sick today. Are you a Greenies enjoyer too?

[surreal bronze]

HELL YEAH!

[primal nest]

i am blessed by the ways of Shits and Giggles yes

[surreal bronze]

Trying to find more content. Gonna try bringing Magnagothica to Brazil. ;3

[surreal bronze]

We frends now.

[primal nest]

(also you can turn off pings when you reply)

[thorn sky]

i'm blessed by chainsaw man and liberal use of meth

[primal nest]

thats so real of you insomniac

[surreal bronze]

Lol, Goregrinders are sick too. I liked every goddamn Great House, but Gorgies struck my heart hard.

Field control goes brrr.

Also, sorry if my english is kinda trash, I'm brazillian.

[thorn sky]

i've taken a liking to goregrinders and carcass. the carcass bone gear hits different

[surreal bronze]

It's necro-SWAT.

Who dislikes them?

[thorn sky]

but then, we get into homebrew

where i'm in the process of making a faction of dinosaurs

[surreal bronze]

Necro dinos?

Just the best.

[surreal bronze]

I think some gigachad already answered it, but it states in the book that it triggers when the unit is slain.

So it dies and then the splash fiesta happens.

[surreal bronze]

Oh sorry, didn't notice it.

[surreal bronze]

Hey, we also frend now.

We frend, it's inevitable. You can't escape it.

[thorn sky]

ye

[surreal bronze]

I'm going to bed early today. Bye bye, people! Love ya!

[thorn sky]

ah

my opposite

[primal nest]

also

• holy fuck i rolled so many 6's

[sand kernel]

has anyone done melee CARCASS before yet

[thorn sky]

observe the dragonkid11 video

[sand kernel]

a friend of mine wants to play the bastards like he's playing ULTRAKILL

[primal nest]

its def possible

[sand kernel]

and it's the only way he wants to play it so askin here for tips

[primal nest]

it what my Carc list is anyway

[sand kernel]

for fr?

[primal nest]

MALICE: LOATHING | UNIT LIMIT: 5

[Operator Deadsled]
- TRAITS: Gun Kata
- ACTS UPGRADES: SG88 Two Barrel Shotgun, Grenade Jump
- SOUL UPGRADES: Bullet Hustle

- x3 ENFORCER (Kneecaps, Tailbone, and Spinal): Shield Charge
- x1 AMMO GOBLIN (Lil Tibia): Vomit Bullets
- x1 E.G.I.S. WEAPON (The Femurbreaker): Heavy Caliber Cannon.```

[thorn sky]

for for real

[umbral cipher]

Enforcer Gaming

[primal nest]

yup

we playin Vanquish up in here

also gun kata plus sg88 is REALLY funny

[crisp night]

"go very far away from me immediately"

[sand kernel]

the knockback on that shotgun

[thorn sky]

go go gadget get out of my personal space

[crisp night]

my carcass list was originally uh

10 gunwights

[thorn sky]

mood

[crisp night]

but i have to learn how to play correctly for once stg is nerfed

[sand kernel]

did you call that team the firing squad

[thorn sky]

that's just what i call C.A.R.C.A.S.S.

[crisp night]

no it was called Hands-On Approach and each wight was named a different finger

[thorn sky]

speaking of carc

it's an acronym, but for what?

[sand kernel]

Its been debated before

i forgot what they all said

[crisp night]

im gonna probably make my list an egis, four wights, and two barrelforms

and just bunker way the fuck down

but who knows i'll play arond with it

[thorn sky]

good old Bone Gear

[crisp night]

or maybe i will end up sticking with the all gunwight

team

[crisp night]

marrow core

[primal nest]

10 gunwights is honestly a lil scary

[crisp night]

i don't think any all-thrall team can be as good as an actually carefully constructed list

but;

it will always be much funnier

[crisp night]

except maybe stitches

stitches are fuckin juiced

[thorn sky]

WARHEAD SWEEP

[primal nest]

Honestly it feels viable

It might run into a lot of list diff but I think it can potentially be pretty good

[crisp night]

warheads can't punch through armor super easily which is the big problem you encounter with thrall heavy lists unless it's wights or stitches

[crisp night]

oh i don't think it'll be USELESS

[primal nest]

Yeah

[crisp night]

again, my grinders list is literally 8 warheads and a berserker

and i think i could do without the berserker if i really wanted to

but i like him so i keep him around

[primal nest]

Also that’s why you run overclock

[crisp night]

(i do in fact run overclock in that gg list)

[thorn sky]

i named my berserker "Heavensbane" because it killed an angel

[primal nest]

Overclock is very good especially with warheads

[primal nest]

Also hey that’s my friend’s list

[crisp night]

good

your friend has good taste

[primal nest]

The action eco goes hard

[crisp night]

i do wish sacrifices felt better than they do i think it's a big reason i fell out with deadsouls

my favorite unit types are thralls and tyrants

and neither their thrall nor their tyrant is fun to me

[primal nest]

I love me scum

[crisp night]

even though their other three units are really really fun

i do love scum but i realize i can't cope not having a big shithead to play around with

[primal nest]

That’s fair

Tyrants are very fun to play with

[crisp night]

the reason i like carcass so much is frankly due to the fact that i just really like tacticool stuff and am a massive mecha nerd so i like the egis even if i don't use it too often

which i should change

wonder what lancer mech i could flavor into an egis the most easily

[thorn sky]

I'd say monarch with a bit of whatever the one that could shoot a big laser was called

[crisp night]

sherman

true

[primal nest]

Barb

[crisp night]

barb too big

[primal nest]

Ok

Hear me out

[crisp night]

👂

hearing

[primal nest]

Formorian Sherm with barb stuff

And ramjets

[crisp night]

very extremely true

i reall want to see carcenkarrion

half of me expects him to look like just a very big tall guy in military fatigues with a skull for a head and the other half expects him to just be a really, really big ribcage with eyes

either would make me happy

[thorn sky]

either ghost rider or gaping dragon

[crisp night]

exactly

[primal nest]

Actually he looks like this

[sonic canopy]

qq: Stairs can be approached from any cardinal direction and ascended to any other cardinal direction?

Like so?

[thorn sky]

ye

[primal nest]

Ye

[sonic canopy]

Coooool, I'm 3d modelling a game board set and trying to figure out how I want to show stairs

[crisp night]

i wonder what OL45 stands for (gunwight's attack)

like obviously it's their pistol

but i am a nerd and like to speculate on entirely meaningless series of letters and numbers

[sonic canopy]

Ol 'Liable

[crisp night]

i am assuming it's 45 cal

because

why not

[sonic canopy]

It's like a reliable gun but instead it makes you more vulnerable to prosecution

[thorn sky]

the Olson and Lenny .45 caliber pistol

[crisp night]

i like to think the gunwights are packing something close to a colt 1911 because that feels apropos

[thorn sky]

standard issue for carcass gunwights

[crisp night]

one of the most long lived and longstanding service pistols in history

being used by undead

[thorn sky]

the company was founded in anzenmezzeron by the founders of C.A.R.C.A.S.S. back in 1944

[crisp night]

man i really want to play maleghast right now but my brain is too full of holes to try it tonight

[thorn sky]

i don't have time

[crisp night]

i wonder if there's any way to make a carcass and goregrinders heresy team play nice

carcass i feel like just doesn't do heresy especially well just because formation benefits from having as many units as possible that also have formation

[valid wedge]

Probably involves some board control stuff.

[thorn sky]

this is just like gorbino's quest. This is the gorbino's quest of life.

[crisp night]

my carcass/abhorrers heresy list is all about this so i agree i just dont know how you'd swing that comboing with goregrinders

but there are many people who have played gg more than me and can probably have better ideas about how it would work

i havent used the carcass/abhorrers list yet but i want to very badly just to see how much of an utter nuisance it is to deal with it

[sand kernel]

3 penitents and 2 barrelform

put the barrelform together, let the penitents tank the e v e r y t h i n g and go ham

[crisp night]

abhorrers players, i'm curious; which additional trait do you guys usually run

because i find myself flipping a coin basically every time between winter rose and corpse violet

both of them feel very useful and valuable

[celest hare]

do you have to roll to pull/push someone?

like for Beckon on Sacrifice for instance

[latent sun]

Not unless it's an attack.

[versed basin]

I'm still getting grasp on the offense/defense of Abhorrers in Spite/0 DP. If you take too much defense over offense like I did via double Antipriest and Grand Communion on Necro, you might just end up stalling out to a Round 7 tie. :V

[crisp night]

yeah i only ever take one antipriest, if at all

[versed basin]

Was Holy/Inquis/2x Anti/Peni for my team.

[crisp night]

they're useful but conditional

[versed basin]

Made me and my Penitent tanky as all hell though.

[crisp night]

i like penitents so i usually take 3 but i might change that up because it doesn't always work out

but it is really funny occasionally being able to totally stonewall enemies

three invincible blokes

[versed basin]

Definitely.

One was enough of a wall on an 8x8 1v1, pfft.

Just a 2x2 central elevation zone and holding out one of the corners.

Was Abhorrers vs Igorri with a newer player (Matthaeus) and those Speed tokens on Homoculus got him around my tiny, defiant rock of a masochist. Ended up eating my Inquisitor with Absorb.

[crisp night]

i always have one penitent sitting basically attached at the hip to my necro

[versed basin]

Fair.

[crisp night]

my necro is built for doing more back-line support and ranged damage (starmetal shuriken 🤌) which is why i can get away with it

though i may end up leaning more into some inquisitors

i have yet to give my abhorrers list a thorough examination

[quick briar]

I like 3x Peni/HB/Antipriest

[crisp night]

yeah that's my current list

i am thinking of reconfiguring it though

im definitely keeping antipriest and holy body since those two just kind of sit in the back

antipriest feeds hb more vitality

hm

hb, two inquis and two zealot

might be a bad comp but im gonna try it before i knock it

[celest hare]

do yall think that hurtle would still work if they were on 0 hp from blood rage?

[pale echo]

RAW, no

[celest hare]

right, rules as written clearly no, but i feel like it has to be intended to work with blood rage

[primal nest]

I feel like it should be the case? It’s weird that it’s the only hp threshold ability that works like that

[craggy iron]

def seems like a typo

[surreal bronze]

I LIVE.

[thorn sky]

That is how anzenmezzeron works

[surreal bronze]

If it's not 1, nah.

But it would be nice.

[surreal bronze]

Surely.

It's even funnier when I remember that I woke up like a corpse.

[thorn sky]

Amazing

[surreal bronze]

My hair was funny, Einstein style.

[thorn sky]

My hair is defaulted to Weird Al style.

[surreal bronze]

Lmao, mine is curly and oily on top.

It only looks good when it wants to, which is usually the 10 minutes span after I wake up.

Today was an oddity.

[dense crest]

my hair is commander shepard style

I hope soon to evolve to Brad Armstrong style

[pseudo flicker]

Bald?

[pseudo flicker]

Bald

[dense crest]

Buzzcut

[dense crest]

Bald!

[surreal bronze]

Mine is kinda long.

I like it pretty much, but it stays 90% of the time in a bun because it becomes a cloud fast.

It's funny and sad at the same time, it's straight af on top but on top of the top there's this cloud of messy hair.

[dense crest]

Must be hell to clean

[surreal bronze]

Besides that, when the planets do align, it's pretty.

[surreal bronze]

It is. The specific products to deal with grease curled with dry ends do little to him. I once tried a big old nutritional bombing with some creams, it worked nicely until I had to buy more.

It's contract-with-a-devil levels of price.

[dense crest]

To clean a baldhead you just need this bad boy -runs

[surreal bronze]

Fun fact: my father is bald by choice. He literally washes his head with whatever is in front of him.

Once he washed it with detergent. It was mildly funny.

Sorry, i have brain damage.

Don't know if this kind of joke passes here, if it doesn't, sorry again.

Now I'm worried. Crap.

[thorn sky]

No need

[surreal bronze]

Ok, thanks. I'm sometimes a little impulsive. Not the violent kind, the dumb one.

[thorn sky]

Same, but both of those

[surreal bronze]

The "I ate paper in childhood" type.

[surreal bronze]

And glue. Once.

It tasted like Rotten's belly.

[thorn sky]

My severe unmediated autism/adhd has done wonders for my sanity

[surreal bronze]

I don't have things. Sometimes I think I'm getting schizophrenic, but nothing really big.

Sometimes I see another moon.

It speaks of math.

I like Moon 2.

[thorn sky]

DEIMOS YOU MOTHERFUCKER

[dense crest]

ADHD?

I have severe ADHD so I know how being inpulsive can be

[surreal bronze]

Not really.

[thorn sky]

Also I’m getting severe gender envy from that emoji

[surreal bronze]

Me too. I'm waiting for surgery like Horus squad is waiting for Monist-1 to show up and do shenanigans.

It's close tho. I'm 19 and it can happen between 22? 24 maybe?

22 to 23, I think.

[thorn sky]

I’m in Florida so I’m not getting it anytime soon

[surreal bronze]

We need 5 years to prove that it's not just some mental breakdown.

[surreal bronze]

Nice!

I started my transition on my 18th birthday, it went reaaaaally well since then. I feel beautiful and accomplished most of the time.

With "most of the time" I mean when I succesfully hide the little fella down there.

This little prick is ruining my sanity.

Besides that, last week I tried on some bikini! It was actually really nice, I think black suited me well.

But let's not go away from the topic of this forum. Maleghast! Gonna print my minis today.

I'll try to make them in foam to stand without a round base and I'll print two mirrored images for both sides.

I think it will be neat. Only problem is Chainsawman. He's funky posing.

[thorn sky]

Warhead go kick back.mp3

[surreal bronze]

Lmao, the op plays in my head everytime I see him.

I might get all blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne anytime soon.

[thorn sky]

Same, but when playing GGs, the eurobeat remix plays in my head

[thorn sky]

Also BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES

[surreal bronze]

I do play some eurobeat everytime a Wheel hits the board. It's always fun.

When I play Gargamox I cannot help myself, I MUST play "we're the rats".

[thorn sky]

We prey at night we stalk at night

[surreal bronze]

:D

God, I wish I could play more. There's not that many players down here in Brazil. Not that I'm aware of, at least.

Btw, where do you guys play?

I saw some prints up the chat, and there's some neat ones.

[thorn sky]

Roll20 or TableTop Simulator(tts for short)

[surreal bronze]

Understandable.

I'm running it on Owlbear with some friends, but it get's funky with tokens and stuff.

Mainly beacuse Igorri.

[thorn sky]

Ofc

[surreal bronze]

Welp, I need to go now, but I'll return soon!

Bye bye!

[thorn sky]

Seeya

[honest flower]

When two tokens cancel each other out can you spend a mutation token to keep one or no?

[tacit cedar]

yeah

that's pretty much half the point :)

[honest flower]

Fair, was getting caught in the weeds with the wording “discarded” and trying to narrow down “is cancelled out the same as discarded” thanks

[storm pumice]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xy-XCYiE7tNatiYy6t4cWz1QhLX2EYAUCL1dgOfPz4Q/edit?usp=drivesdk
wanted to share in case anyone wants to use them:
Roll20 macros for (almost) everything in the game :) still have to do the optionals for the Necromancers, so far only the ones we used in a game with friends are made, but the remaining ones will follow soon

[primal nest]

Oh sick

I will add this to the resource hub

[ivory igloo]

would anyone perchance have advice on deadsouls?

I have no idea what I’m doing™️ but I like the look of the vizigheist (deadsouls horror) unit!

[dense crest]

I saved some tips a person gave me, hold on

[dense crest]

Important DS tips

-In general, you need to play like a horror movie villain. Most DS units will lose a fair fight, and will fold easily if outnumbered. Isolation is key. Kidnap through walls, pop walls in your enemy's path of retreat, do whatever you can (you have tons of tools for this, I think we have more pull moves than any other House?) to get targets separated from one another, then kill them. Your big hitters are a properly kitted Dark Priest (I love GUB and Tear Soul. Don't sleep on Maggot Destroyer, even in the face of Puppet Master's obvious strength.) Banshees, and Vizigheists. Bound Devils can be good, but I find they kind of work against the general flow of the House. We want more walls, and their main damage output is reliant on deleting lots of walls at once.

-One of the most valuable things you can do with a turn is create a wall. Make use of Banshees, Chosen, and Cyclopean Monolith (you can even do it on enemy turns!!!!!! For 1 SOUL!!!!!!!) They get in your opponent's way, cut off escape routes to better Isolate, create cover for you and your mostly squishy low HP units, and they magnify your Banshee Screams and Devil Limb From Limbs. Sometimes making a wall has higher value for setup and positioning than actually dealing direct damage. Wall it up baybee

-DS are not a durable army whatsoever. That MAG plus high is nice, but they generally have the lowest HP of any faction, so even graze damage can take them out, especially when STR tokens are a factor. Thankfully they have lots of vectors for Weak tokens. Use them!

-Doom sounds appealing and absolutely devastating on paper, but-
SIKE it is. Just not in the way you'd expect. The THREAT of a turn 4 Doom hammer drop is one of the most valuable things about it. It's terrifying, and opponents will go out of their way and abandon their well thought out strategies to get rid of Doom tokens, especially as t4 gets closer. Capitalize on that, or go for an end of t4 Great Satania.

HAIL GORMENGORR

[thorn sky]

I saw horror movie villain and knew exactly how this plays.

[dense crest]

Call them a bitch and invite to a place where boats float?

[thorn sky]

Separate them. Annihilate those that are alone. The swarm may protect, but nothing saves you from a deadsouls playing horror fanatic.

[dense crest]

oooooh

[thorn sky]

Besides, it’ll give Hive some fun

[dense crest]

Agreed

[thorn sky]

Love how you agreed without knowing who Hive is.

[ivory igloo]

so you could just put a wall in front of a carcass unit that hasn’t reloaded on their turn?

[thorn sky]

Yes

Close them in

Make the claustrophobia kick in

Then the prey is caught in your trap and you have won

[dense crest]

I just assume you know what you are talking about and agreed with it!
Is wot da smartz peps doh.

[ivory igloo]

any particular advice for unit comp for baby’s first necromancy?

[dense crest]

one of each unit for your first game so you can get a feel for what each unit does

[celest hare]

is strength usable on splashes and lines?

[thorn sky]

Unsure

[storm pumice]

all instances of damage as far as i understand it

iirc there is even an explicit example with splash

where you get to decide the order you deal the damage and therefor who gets then

[dense crest]

Yes , but for only 1 target

[celest hare]

goootcha, thanks

[primal nest]

If you have multiple strength you use it on multiple units in the area (but not the same ones)

Also keep in mind that AoEs still abide from the fact that token spending isn’t optional. If you have a strength you gotta uses it

[celest hare]

gotcha

[dense crest]

And only one at the time, like
if you have 3 strength tokens you can't blast all 3 in one target in the same damage

That's why some weapons are worded in some weird ways like the shotgun
you deal, 1 dmg, then 1 dmg.
not 2

[storm pine]

What I was going for here was isolate them from the rest of the group and pick them off one by one. This is Deadsouls' specialty, they have this giant toolkit to do it with

[storm pine]

Hey can Mutagen Injector repeat as many times as the Chirurgeon has corpses adjacent, or just once if they have at least one corpse adjacent?

That "repeat this effect once" is kind of unclear

Once that act? Or once per corpse?

[primal nest]

i think you can only do it once per act (if it was once per corpse it would frankly be disgusting)

[storm pine]

Spare Parts reads as there are times you can consume multiple corpses to repeat the effect, but a lot of Spare Parts abilities specify "once per corpse"

[primal nest]

per corpse is just it repeats for each

i read "repeat this effect once" as you need a corpse to do it but you dont consume any other corpse

[storm pine]

That's what I was thinking too

[frozen quartz]

Mutagen Injector specifies: "Spare Parts: repeat this effect once." Spare Parts may allow you to consume multiple corpses, but the effect is always the same: repeating the on-hit effect of the attack once

Also Mutagen Injector is already the strongest thing Igorri have, no need to make it better

[storm pine]

2 2 dmg hits is solid, yeah

[frozen quartz]

And the token clear, and the range 2-5, and the fact that it's toxic damage in a physical damage faction

(This is me as an Igorri player calling for a nerf on the Mutagen Injector btw)

[primal nest]

And you can give it +1D

[frozen quartz]

I would say range 2-3 would be good

Forces more aggressive positioning

[primal nest]

That’s probably is the best way to do it you if you are gonna nerf it

[storm pine]

Yeah this act looks beefy. Putting together my first Igorri list. Might not include it though just to have a less cookie cutter list.

[primal nest]

It’s really good

[storm pine]

I don't generally like house ruling stuff, I'll just wait for the Tom update

[frozen quartz]

Still pick one of the other two ranged attacks though, you will need magic damage

[primal nest]

I saw that shit delete a rotten once

[frozen quartz]

And pick Recycle for the same reason

[storm pine]

And encourage my friends to run it haha

[primal nest]

It went pop just like that

[frozen quartz]

That is my favorite thing to do. Use Chop doc to give 1 strenght and 1 mutation to my Chirurgeon, then Polyglot another point of strenght, delete a Rotten/Enforcer, do it again in turn 2

[ivory igloo]

thoughts on the carnifex (goregrinder scion)?

they look like a fun crazed chainsaw dude 😄

[primal nest]

Carni’s alright

[frozen quartz]

They are good, all things in Goregrinders are pretty good honestly

[primal nest]

Yeah

[frozen quartz]

Their chainsaw attack is unreliable though, try and set up wild slashes if you are able

[primal nest]

Wild Slashes is pretty good AoE

With berserk they can really clear through thralls

[surreal bronze]

Eyyyy, me backies.

Trying to get some sweet free trasport to study on another city. The bus charges are incredibly high.

It's literally the value of a small apartment.

[surreal bronze]

Goregrinders are really nice, I like them.

[thorn sky]

public transit is needed if humans are to maintain the climate

[surreal bronze]

The flower lady in particular.

[surreal bronze]

There are ways to lower the impact, but yeah, pretty accurate.

[ivory igloo]

Pain Ghoul could give chainsaw man berserk 2 and then they could use wild slashes to make thralls regret exisitng, yeah?

[primal nest]

Correct!

Best way to do that

[surreal bronze]

Can't tell, but it would be neat.

[primal nest]

There’s also Rile as well

[surreal bronze]

Just take care with who you're ripping and tearing.

[thorn sky]

KAR EN TUK

RIP AND TEAR

[surreal bronze]

Gargamox I think is the one that punishes the opponent the most by being slain.

[surreal bronze]

UNTIL IT IS DONE.

[ivory igloo]

dum question but how do you utilize rev (and to an extent rile)?

[thorn sky]

E
1
M
1

[primal nest]

It’s free strength

[ivory igloo]

you can’t just blow a hole in mars
necromancers:

[thorn sky]

You can’t just detonate the god on Deimos.

[primal nest]

Extremely useful if ur opponent is running armor comps

[surreal bronze]

Yeah that one's actually true.

[thorn sky]

Harrison 2 learned that the hard way

[surreal bronze]

Bonk the honk.

[ivory igloo]

ooooh
the until the start of the units next turn is just for retaliation (if you get it), right?

[primal nest]

If they hit you that is yeah

[ivory igloo]

that makes a lot more sense if so

[primal nest]

But strength with retaliation is pretty nasty to engage with so they might not even bother with attacking the Carni

(Its why Bladed is pretty cracked right now)

[crisp night]

warhead gaming

[primal nest]

There are 8 goddamn warheads on my front lawn right now

[ivory igloo]

what is bladed

[thorn sky]

e1m1 starts playing

[primal nest]

Warhead upgrade

[surreal bronze]

Yo Kobold and Thud, u muh frends now.

[primal nest]

Gives them retaliate when they hit blood rage

[ivory igloo]

me not realizing that unit is right above carnifex 🤣

[primal nest]

They just small lil dudes you can miss them

[ivory igloo]

oh I see now
because they have 2 hp, trait lets them survive at 0 hp and they can return damage if you want to finish them off?

oh and they come in pairs

[primal nest]

Yeah

You can have 10 of them on the field if you like

[ivory igloo]

you’d have to obliterate them to not trigger retaliation, yeah?

[primal nest]

Ye

It’s alot of unavoidable damage that a lot lists are really limited in dealing with, on by far the most survivable thrall that is also the fastest

They able to get in and start getting work done before they eventually get mulched

[frozen quartz]

Genuinely think all Goregrinders units besides the Carnifex and the Berserker should lose 1 hp

[primal nest]

Ehhhhh

[frozen quartz]

Bloodrage can just be read as 1 to 2 extra hp

[primal nest]

I feel like their hp is fine

[umbral cipher]

They're already easier to hit

[primal nest]

And no armor

Like if bladed and furious roar get turned down I feel like grinders will be in a pretty good spot overall

[frozen quartz]

Maybe not the painghoul either though

[frozen quartz]

Yeah, that is also true

[surreal bronze]

Who, would you say, is the most broken house?

[primal nest]

None of them

[frozen quartz]

Goregrinders have a few too many things imo, but not by too much

[primal nest]

It’s less broken and more a lil overturned

You can make some small tweaks and it’s fine

[surreal bronze]

Understandable.

[primal nest]

The game it’s pretty balanced overall

Literally every match I have played has been extremely close, even if it may seem that one player might have the advantage

You can really clutch shit out

Is great

[surreal bronze]

I like that. Do you think there will be more Great Houses in the future? Personaly, I wish that it doesn't, but it expands on the already existing ones.

[primal nest]

There will be!

[pale echo]

Well
There's at least one more WIP

[primal nest]

Tom is already workin on Steeplewrack

[pale echo]

bird boiz

[primal nest]

And then there’s Vampire Spider faction and Silent Hill faction

[surreal bronze]

Agreed! It's fascinating how intense the game can be even when it's just static artwork and texts.

[surreal bronze]

Ooooh, maybe I might go back on my statement.

[primal nest]

We already got a lot of dets on Steeplewrack

[surreal bronze]

A Vampire Spider faction would be really goofy and cool at the same time.

[surreal bronze]

Really? When?

[frozen quartz]

I would say though that imo there is a weakest faction, and in my experience that is a beginner playing Carcass. It is called the "beginner faction", but it is really bad in the hands of someone that does not know the amount of damage that can be dished out in this game. They will overextend, and an overextended Carcass is the worst faction in the game by far

[primal nest]

You can check em out here Baker

They are a swarm faction all bout ganging up on dudes

[surreal bronze]

Oh wow, that looks kinda stronk.

But I liked it.

A lot.

[primal nest]

There’s more below, and it is still in progress

[surreal bronze]

Ok, I now have noticed the 4 HP.

Maybe it's not overpowered, but still strong.

[surreal bronze]

Yeah, yeah. It looks neat!

Wanna play when it debuts.

[ivory igloo]

Carcass seems like you want to find a nice spot for your units and bunker down there, yeah?

[surreal bronze]

I can see that. Agreed.

[frozen quartz]

Absolutely this

[primal nest]

Yeah Carc doesn’t want to move much

[surreal bronze]

But I do think every House, for a beginner, gets complicated sometimes.

[versed basin]

For one of my matches, just playing with one of everything the house offers, yeah, that felt like the way to go.

[surreal bronze]

That being said, Igorri is a beginner killer. My frined wanted to start by them and he got clapped. Didn't knew when to make his tokens.

[primal nest]

Also i would like to through another challenger into the ring

Which is beginner Deadsouls

[surreal bronze]

Ohhhhh, we also got that as well. I want to test a Garga-Souls heresy next time I play.

[crisp night]

oh shit i never saw that tom teased the birds

hahahahahahha im so happy

[surreal bronze]

Field control the hell out of my fellas.

[primal nest]

Ye we got dets on the birds and the merchants

[crisp night]

i also remember tom saying he might do a vampire faction eventually which would be my absolute dream since i lvoe vampires (comes from a love of bats)

[primal nest]

Still don’t know much on the devil system tho

[surreal bronze]

There will be a devil system?

[primal nest]

Map environmental modifiers

[crisp night]

steeplewrack already looks incredibly fascinating from just those two units

[surreal bronze]

Burb go bonkers.

[crisp night]

i fucking love maleghast so much this game lives in my head rent free even though i havent played it in a while

[surreal bronze]

Oh, nice.

[surreal bronze]

ME TOOOOOOOOOO.

It was love at first sight.

Besides the unnusual amount of sausages leaking out of bodies, IT'S SOOOOOOOOOO COOL!

[ivory igloo]

2v2 necromancer fight sounds really fun imo

[surreal bronze]

It's my weirdass dream.

[surreal bronze]

Surely is! I want to do some presencial 2v2.

[versed basin]

I've mostly been doing FFAs when it comes to four players. Should really try a 2v2 myself.

[surreal bronze]

Sad thing that we will already use our time to play DnD.

Which is really neat, but not as much as some small fights in Anzenmezzeran (we will tear our heads off and use as grenades).

[ivory igloo]

dnd & pathfinder be like
“you can be a necromancer, but there will always be that one PC that wants to murder you for existing”

[surreal bronze]

Lol, pretty accurate.

[primal nest]

I am unfortunately very neurotic when it comes to funny grid games

And this is a good one

[surreal bronze]

Not my case tho. It's the tactic wargame side that scooped me out of other TTRPG's and splashed me head first onto Magnagothica. I have never bought a game before, that was the first time ever.

And man, it was worth every penny.

[crisp night]

i really like funny grid games but i generally only play singleplayer ones since i've never been able to find other people to play them with

[surreal bronze]

So far, the game haven't let me down even once, Neither the community have.

Love both.

Both is good.

[primal nest]

Same

[surreal bronze]

That's so sad. I tend to do that, but more so because I like so much that I can't stick my ass to my chair and be quiet, I just have to play something board related.

[dense crest]

What fucks me up is how is hard to find the perfect 'ok now i have 2 hours of no interruption' because sometimes life just
barges in my room and don't give a fuck for what i am doing

[crisp night]

yeah that is the hard part

[primal nest]

I dunno. Just gimme a square grid and I’ll eat that shit up

[crisp night]

especially with going back to college in less than a week 💀

but i'll make time

i intend to play at least one match of maleghast a week

[primal nest]

Damn

[surreal bronze]

Mizu, we frend too.

Yes, Discord, I'm a human. I just like to point at people and say "FRIEND!".

[dense crest]

yiss

[surreal bronze]

That's my nasty dream. If I can play Magnagothica once per week, I can die happy.

[ivory igloo]

is it just me or does visigheist look a lot nicer when you get heretical

[surreal bronze]

I like your style.

Gonna do a square grid cake.

To play some chess on top.

Each piece will be eaten as the game goes.

[surreal bronze]

Heresy is the key to happiness, tbh.

You get whatever you like and mash up.

[ivory igloo]

the dice are secretly candy, eat them whenever you roll a 1

[surreal bronze]

But don't tell the group.

:D

[ivory igloo]

[surreal bronze]

F*CK YOU!
Eats dice.

[ivory igloo]

cronch

holy body (holy font) + visigheist (???) = good idea maybe?

[primal nest]

Ye i can see it

[versed basin]

There ARE sugar dice out there, iirc.

[primal nest]

Give a lil safe spot for your visi’s to hang out in

[ivory igloo]

hmm, is it just me or does pain ghoul’s cauterize pair well with berserker’s steaming rage?

[dense crest]

https://sugarlab3d.com/products/sugar-things-rpg-dice-set ya

[surreal bronze]

Oh.

OH.

That might rock hard.

[primal nest]

Yea!

Free Steaming Rage proc

Ignite is probably better for that tho

[versed basin]

Can catch it in attacks like Carni's Wild Slashes if your Ghoul is already busy.

Just as a last-option, since supporting it for the cost of damage would be more ideal.

[primal nest]

Do gotta be careful with that tho. Since building rage also gives berserk

[surreal bronze]

I forgot what berserker does.

Sheesh.

How imma be a Maleghast tuber while forgetting the stuff? Silly me.

*Procceds to sniff some more white powder.

[ivory igloo]

I like the sound of berserker, carnifex and pain ghoul

any other units that’d pair well with ‘em (and/or taking an extra carnifex/pain ghoul)?

[surreal bronze]

I don't. It sounds like chainsaws.

[frozen quartz]

Warhead are always decent, but they get really, really good at higher malice levels because of bladed

[surreal bronze]

A million of them.

[frozen quartz]

Painwheels are always good too

[surreal bronze]

THE WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!!!!!

[primal nest]

I think you can run double ghoul/Carni

[frozen quartz]

But honestly I think if you go the Carnifex route, you probably want at least 2 to kinda scissor enemies

[primal nest]

Lots of berserk to go around

I have a pretty similar list to that

[frozen quartz]

(Also, unrelated, but 1 thing that I always end up doing the few times I've played Grinders is to use Cauterize as a range 3 deal 1 fire damage to an enemy ability, and I think people don't use that enough)

[primal nest]

Really useful in the mox matchup

You can use it to deny their plague

[ivory igloo]

now to figure out what warlord can do

[versed basin]

I made the mistake of setting up round 1 in a Grinder Vs Garg Vs Scortifiore match, and the Garg made my side of the map a living hell.

[primal nest]

MALICE: LOATHING | UNIT LIMIT: 5

[Warlord Tarheart]
- TRAITS: Blood Rush
- ACTS UPGRADES: Quench, Apoplexy
- SOUL UPGRADES: Overclock

- x1 PAIN GHOUL (Ms Skyhook): Frenzy Hook
- x3 CARNIFEX (Chef, Yes Chef, And No Chef): Rile
- x1 BERSERKER (Heisenberg): Machineheart```

[versed basin]

I was the Grinder, Scort kept to themselves.

I think we did six units + Necro, and I went doubles of Carni/Ghoul/Wheel.

I enjoyed it, though probably could've used the Tyrant over another wheel.

[surreal bronze]

Scortifiore?

WHAT DID I MISS?

[versed basin]

One wheel is good for sliding into a spot in clustered formations. Frenzy (2 berserk) him via Ghoul, maybe give Speed somehow, then charge in and hurt passed units, and explode with berserk afterwards.

[primal nest]

Homebrew faction

[versed basin]

It's a homebrew house.

[surreal bronze]

Ohhh, ok.

[versed basin]

1v1v1 of two base houses with one homebrew.

The Grinder vs Garg was the primary part, being against Garg was hell on us both.

[surreal bronze]

Yeah, Garg is kinda tricky. That's why I love them.

Rat bois plus Slime plus Rotten. Lots os shenanigans.

[versed basin]

Kinda wanna do Carcass again sometime.

I definitely had the right ideas with using Necro + Enforcer to hurt myself but kick off pesky melee units like Garg.

[ivory igloo]

10 gunwights

[versed basin]

"These pistols shall pierce the heavens and cap God Himself!" --Me, realizing how easy it'd be to kill a Holy Body with Gunwight spam.

[surreal bronze]

Nah, 8 Gunwights and a Goblin or a Egis. Just to be safe.

[versed basin]

Mhm.

[surreal bronze]

Machinegun Necromancer.

[ivory igloo]

challenge accepted 😎

[ivory igloo]

also this

[valid wedge]

I think they're all pretty tough to learn. Like it seems like Gore and Garg are straightforward, but that's a deception.

[primal nest]

Garg complexity can vary

From triple rotten to, literally anything with slimes

[ivory igloo]

from a quick glance banshee, bound devil & chosen look solid, I feel like visigheist can be really neat if you go heretical (love their aesthetics), not sure how to use sacrifice well tbh

[primal nest]

Sac’s are in a weird spot right now

They are useful in that they have DS’s only none curse pull

That’s about it really

[valid wedge]

Sacrifice is the only non-curse pull. Bound devil is mixed depending on the opponent. Viz deals a lot of damage and control.

[primal nest]

Visi are very good

AoE weak is pretty nice

[ivory igloo]

[primal nest]

And it can doom

[valid wedge]

Base 2 curse damage is relevant.

[primal nest]

It’s phys dmg

Wait it’s not?

Ok i feel like getting gaslit lmao

[ivory igloo]

thoughts on terrorize, soul frost and condemn?

[primal nest]

I could have sworn that rotblade and urgal blade was phys dmg

[valid wedge]

Condemn is very very good.

Obliterate in general is very good and very necessary.

[primal nest]

Terrozie also nice since DS has pretty limited strength gen

[valid wedge]

Maybe they were phys in the first draft but curse in the update?

[primal nest]

(You can also run without obliterate stuff)

[primal nest]

I’m checking right now

[valid wedge]

Great Urgal Blade does phys at first.

So maybe you conflated the two.

[primal nest]

No i was sure that Just Urgal blade was like that

[ivory igloo]

maggot destroyer + great urgal blade sounds like fun tbh (no idea about the soul upgrade tho)

[primal nest]

Ok i guess they were always like that. Huh

[valid wedge]

I don't like terrorize that much since you have base 2 damage already and no good way to hit multiple times in a round (shriek damage is rare). Soul frost isn't super necessary when you have a chosen making 2 adverse terrain and a wall every round.

Dark Priest has no bad trait options lol

[primal nest]

Turning that into 3 damage though is pretty good

[valid wedge]

GUB is good against abhorrers.

[primal nest]

Cleaves through armor and vit

[ivory igloo]

tbh Igorri looks more difficult than Deadsouls imo as someone who hasn’t played yet

[primal nest]

As for soul frost, keep in mind that the adverse gen on tombraiser is an effect die

You are not always guaranteed it

And if you want more adverse then soul frost is a nice option

Honestly i feel like condemn is the one I mostly eh on? Mostly cuz doom gen is pretty inconsistent and easily cleared

But it still seems good

[valid wedge]

I've killed more gore units with condemn than I have any other way lol.

[primal nest]

Sounds like you’ve been lucky lol

[valid wedge]

Otherwise you have to rely on banshees and isolation which isn't ideal

[ivory igloo]

is it just me or does 2 banshees, bound devil & 2 chosen seem like a decent deadsoul comp?

not sure how to fit visigheists in w/o being heretical but I’d love to hear advice on that

[valid wedge]

I'm not the DS expert, but that's how I've been playing them. Would like to use the chosen more in the future.

I think 2 chosen is excessive, but doable maybe? My current preferred comp is 2 viz, 2 banshee, 1 chosen

Bound devil is good for early damage but I feel like it's a trap. I think it's best against carcass, abhorrer, or the mirror. Teams that don't want to move that much.

[naive glacier]

there'll be DS and abhorrers buffs (small) in next update

[thorn sky]

hell yea

[craggy iron]

sorry I don't keep much track of game balance, what kinda things are abhorrers getting buffed on?

[tawny ridge]

doing my first readthrough, this is so lovely

my first thought was using witchdice so I can track the Soul with a clock using the Lancer setting

[pseudo flicker]

I would presume zealots being less

useless, i guess

[primal nest]

oh sweet

excited to see what they get

[storm pine]

I know Garg are combo-centric and big on synergy, but I haven't devoted time to figuring out these combos. What do you like doing with your Slimes?

I know taking a Leech is pretty crucial to a lot of combos

[storm pine]

This is my exact setup and it's the fucking best

[storm pine]

Yeah I'm all in on Terrorize as far as Vizi upgrades go

[storm pine]

Take Twist Sinews. Free isolation on any turn for 1 soul synergizes like crazy with Maggot Destroyer

Easier to doom an isolated target

[primal nest]

Ok I’ll admit I haven’t tried out slimes yet lol

They seem really good but also really hard to use

Leeches are def necessarily if you wanna build around them

And Rotten Surge is def what you wanna pick for that

Sticky Trail and the Gunk look pretty nice if you wanna run them as a more supportive unit

[primal nest]

MALICE: LOATHING | UNIT LIMIT: 5

[Plaguelord Myca]
- TRAITS: Corruptor 
- ACTS UPGRADES: Necrocide
- SOUL UPGRADES: Purge Guts, Fecundity

- x2 Slimes (Mika? and Mecuh?): Rotten Surge 
- x1 Leech (Chips, The Footstool): Massive Swell
- x1 Host (A Funguy): Swarm Feed
- x2 Scum```

This is what I plan on running when I try them out (ignore the name)

[storm pine]

Hell yeah player

Good looking list

Also, no Rotten, brave

[primal nest]

I think host would be better here

Like rotten, slimes are also pretty plague hungry, and there is only so much plague to go around

Driving swarm also let’s you pull foes into vile rupture

Oh wait now I realized why I dropped ceaseless spew for melt

Was gonna swell with corruption my scum for plague

Honestly dunno what I want for my ACT for this

Probably safe to take necrocide. My leech is gonna be swell with corrupting most of the time so other strength gen would be nice

[primal nest]

Also a phys dmg option in a primarily mag dmg comp

[fallen igloo]

If two players who havent played yet were to play in an 8x8 deathmatch what would be the expected time for the battle?

This would be on Table top sim if that changes anything lol

[foggy plover]

2 hours (according to some people in the Maleghast Discord)

[fallen igloo]

Oh theres a maleghast discord now?

[pale echo]

It's a bit of a spin-off

[foggy plover]

Everything's a spinoff, in some way or another

[thorn sky]

Originality died long ago

[fallen igloo]

Can this be a different combonation of colors please :)

[thorn sky]

BURN OUT ALL EYES

[foggy plover]

it was never alive

[thorn sky]

It existed before the universe, and the bullet of the Big Bang blew a hole through her eyes

mmmm 87 total headmates

[fallen igloo]

It made me go cross eyed

[primal nest]

I’m don’t run the game tracker my guy

Ask Theja

[ivory igloo]

thoughts on lycan (igorri horror)?

[thorn sky]

Bloodborne is love
Bloodborne is life

[storm pine]

It looks badass

Already pretty solid, survivable statline, and there are a million vectors to throw tokens on it and make it an absolute monster

Can shred anything if you take the time and focus buffs on it

Igorri's MVP unit imo, but they require synergy

So I guess it's more of a Lycan+Chopdoc mvp situation

[sour sentinel]

tangential thing but does anyone have a fitting playlist to read/play maleghast to? metal perhaps?

[ruby spire]

i've got playlists for my maleghast characters, but aside from that, not really?

[pale echo]

A couple people on youtube have put together playlists of the songs listed in the book

[sour sentinel]

👍 danke

[ivory igloo]

chopdoc could use inject mutagen on lycan and necromancer & then necromancer could use its polyglot & accelerate evolution traits to keep the train going, yeah?

[versed basin]

Yeah, as long as you have a bit of everything on your primary combatants (Homoculus, Lycan, maybe Strigoi) via Marriage-ing Thralls into three tokens to others and Accelerate Evolution, feeding them Mutation tokens from Necro (Exp Surgery's Line) and Chop (Inject Mutagen) keeps them empowered.

Give them the basics and they'll keep rolling as long as they have mutagenic fuel for the fire.

[thorn sky]

Do you think anzenmezzeron has wifi?

[versed basin]

It's pretty much the same with two Antipriests going Gentleness on Abhorrers, just FLOODS your team with tokens when you pair it with Grand Communion from Necro at the start.

Considering the size, I doubt it's good. It's also sliding into Hell, which doesn't help.

I somehow got the idea of magic servo-skulls acting like phones, pfft.

[thorn sky]

Let’s think about this logically

There is likely a devil that manipulates the electromagnetic spectrum.

Wifi is a form of that

[pure mirage]

does anyone know what tarsal ghoul actually is? some ghoul with bad/good ankle?

[real bane]

Tunnels of the Web Seeker

The caves are dark and dank, and they reek of death. Little else moves down here but stray undead from the city above, but black masses skitter and sneak at the edge of your vision. The hunt resumes all the same.

Rocks are elevations, taller rocks are walls, and nests count as both hazards and adverse terrain, but are removed when a unit first moves out of their space.

[surreal bronze]

I want spider house I want spider house I want spider house.

[dense crest]

Igorri can be your spider house if you are willing to have some extra arms :3

[surreal bronze]

Nonono, only spider, no Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

[dense crest]

ooooh

Muffet Gang?

Also did John Gothica said what's the buffs gonna be?

Or it's John Maleghast?
Magna John Gothica?
Mmmh...

[surreal bronze]

Not a big fan of Undertale, tbh. But yeah.

Me likes silkies.

[dense crest]

Charlet is always an option

[surreal bronze]

Spiders are the best. :D

They eat the annoying insects, they do funny webs, they look sick af...

I luv them.

[dense crest]

big same

[surreal bronze]

I want a pet Tarantula anytime soon.

Not necessary because the girls love me somehow. Whenever I go there's at least one of them on my legs.

It's fun tho.

The jumping ones, I say.

Not gonna let the venomous fellas climb me.

I like them too, just not on my skin.

[dense crest]

Jumping frems

[surreal bronze]

Sure thing! I give them nuts names. Last one was Wallnut because she looked like one.

They're cute af.

I want a jumping spider plushie so hard.

But I also want a Bulbassaur one and a Blahaj Shark...

So, there it goes to "the pit".

[dense crest]

At least you aren't like a friend of mine that if he goes into build a bear he returns with 3 new plushies

[surreal bronze]

I would be exactly like that if I had money.

College and stuff. Trying to survive on chicken nuggies, anxiety and my weight worth of rage.

[surreal bronze]

Pretty accurate.

SORRY, I FORGOT IT AGAIN.

Not gonna reply anymore, i'm so sorry.

It went without me rationalizing the notification thing.

[surreal bronze]

Kinda. Didn't see it happening first hand because my fren who plays Igorri was starting and ended up letting his Lycan in the pit (I was running Gargamox stall lock. I do not repent).

Lycan trying to pass through the Gargamox fiestas.

I wanna try Garga-Souls so haaaaaaaaaaard.

God, please, I'm begging you.

I just want to rip my friendships to shreds.

My first Heresy video will be Garga-Souls.

Damn it.

After I finish the base Houses, of course.

Goddamn Baker, you dumb, keeps doubling the wrong letters.

[terse jewel]

What do you all find works the best for playing the game online? I saw a couple options, and Isocon ended up not working properly for me so I thought I'd ask what everyone else uses

[valid wedge]

I use miro

[dense crest]

I love using Tabletop Simulator, they have a fantastic table ready to use there

[real bane]

Roll20 works well enough

[terse jewel]

I really need to get TTSim eventually, it does like it works very well for all sort of games

Haven't heard of Miro though, I'll check it out later

Roll20 did seem like a good option, but I saw the whole macro chart and whatever else and didn't want to get into it without hearing that it actually works well

[dense crest]

OwlBear rodeo is the quick n easy option

And above all

[terse jewel]

That's what I've been running with so far yeah, it gets absolutely horrible though when you have 5 of every token on one unit though

[dense crest]

oh

that I didn't knew

[terse jewel]

We end up using the DND condition tokens (Prone, paralyzed, charmed etc.) As strength, vitality etc.

So you'll have a literal pile of rings on a tile where you have to zoom in to actually read anything

[storm pine]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/22OogDZJfw15UJh3rcoNzz?si=66tImEzZSz-eaPgPJQqp3g&pi=u-x8-ViGyBSqOr&pt=26c00adfc2cbc9c3a3774ac000b9fefa

I made separate playlists for the houses, this is all of them thrown together

[valid wedge]

I used roll20 for a long time but it's so laggy. Miro has no lag and can contain a lot more assets. It's not a VTT really, it was designed for remote collaboration in businesses, but it also ends up being the best canvas for a VTT I've ever used.

[dense crest]

Even better than Foundry ?

[valid wedge]

Like I already rely on avrae and google sheets for dice and character sheets. All I really want in a board is a nonlaggy canvas. You can put character sheets on there and write on them if you really wanted, but I got 2 monitors. I can alt tab fine.

I've never used foundry. I never really plan to.

[dense crest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/l32isd/miro_is_amazing_for_rpgs/ oh hey a more in dept explanation for MIro, neat

[terse jewel]

👍

I'll definitely give it a look later
I probably will only use it for Maleghast because I haven't had issues with anything else, but maybe if it is really good I'll switch to using it

[storm pumice]

For roll20 i got (almost) full macros for ease of use

Necromancer optionals should be finished today after i get off work

[terse jewel]

I did see that! Like I said earlier, I didn't want to go setting up/learning all of that if someone had easier/better options

[storm pumice]

it is thankfully super easy 😄 just takes a bit to copy paste it over, but after that there is 0 extra work and you can just drag out your units and instantly play as many times as you want.
But i can definitely understand not wanting to set up 36 characters with like 200 macros in total. i already had to copy them out of our roll20 into that sheet afterall 😄

[terse jewel]

It did just look very intimidating yeah, if it's a one and done sorta thing I might sit down and do it

[storm pumice]

the instructions on the welcome page are all you need so it really is that easy. Just manual labor

i wish setting up a compendium in roll20 was easy then it would simplify the setup for new players into zhe simplest of drag and drop like the dnd stuff

[terse jewel]

Does Roll20 need a subscription to use? I always thought it was just content books etc. That you had to buy, but I've never actually used it

[valid wedge]

There's a premium version but you don't need it.

[pine crescent]

What was the issue?

[terse jewel]

The issue wasn't on my part so I can't tell you exactly, but from the screenshot my friend sent all of the unit icons were duplicated on their screen, and I think a couple were missing the image

This is what was happening on their screen

[pine crescent]

Hmm. Can you check the version number when you get a chance?

I fixed a few bugs that could have produced this but it was a pretty small window of time that the buggy version was the latest release

[terse jewel]

We both downloaded it yesterday from the github
I know I got the most recent one that showed, not sure about them

I will check the number when I get home though

[pine crescent]

If you got it yesterday that's the latest version. Hmm. I'll take a look.

Who was hosting? Did the non-host get disconnected at any point?

[terse jewel]

I was hosting, the tokens all looked fine on my end (as in not duplicated)

They might have? I don't remember exactly, but I tested with another friend if they could join and they did get DCed at some point

[pine crescent]

The clones are a secondary effect of reconnecting after being disconnected by a bug. Normally I'd prefer to figure out what caused the initial disconnect but I should spend some time bolstering the reconnect process. The question marks are the fallback behavior if someone else's token doesn't sync across the network. I'll give you a shout if I can figure out what might have caused the initial disconnect. In the meantime, if you can get your friend to send me the logs for the day you played (they'll be in the data folder under /logs) that might be helpful too. Thanks!

[terse jewel]

Good luck! I'll ask them in a little bit

[terse jewel]

I asked them and they don't see the file anywhere. I'm guessing you mean it's in Isocon_Data?

[pine crescent]

Yeah, it'll be the directory specified in the config popup

[terse jewel]

Ahh it's in there

[pine crescent]

they can send it to [email protected]

[terse jewel]

They sent it to me so I threw it in there
Also, I did double check and we are both using V0.6.4

[foggy plover]

idea:

playing Maleghast in Google Sheets.

[valid wedge]

It's easier than you think

[foggy plover]

Pros:

• Is a grid
• has macros
• very accessible and free
  Cons:
• Wonky because of alignment
• Needs a lot of work to make macros work
• Google

[valid wedge]

Maybe excel would be better

[foggy plover]

Cons: Not online (unless it's office 365), Microsoft

[valid wedge]

You make a move and email the file over. Play by post.

[foggy plover]

or better yet:
just send the coordinates. kind of how play by post chess works.

[valid wedge]

Exactly

[foggy plover]

Unless you're on a ship
Then you use flag signals.

[terse jewel]

Just use a carrier pigeon at that point

[valid wedge]

But that only works one way and you'd have to send a guy to carry the pigeon back

[terse jewel]

Two pigeons?

Or well

A lot of pigeons

I think you'd need like, 60 - 100 pigeons to actually play out a game

[pine crescent]

is this the origin story for Steeplewrack

[foggy plover]

[terse jewel]

"We have too many birds from playing board games. Lets teach them how to kill people"

[valid wedge]

I hear Tom is working on that house right now

[terse jewel]

I saw the little tidbits of it yesterday! It looked really neat. My immediate thought was "Could you technically fill up an entire board with these?"

[primal nest]

If you don’t kill any of them ye

[terse jewel]

Yeah, You could get like 40+ in a duel if both players take all Flocks and noone ever kills anything

[latent sun]

The good ending 😌

[glacial junco]

I just hope they don't have like, The 5+ i remember seeing or maybe that was a fever dream

Graze still kills em sure but it means that on hit splashes and stuff like cleave are tougher to get off.

We'll just have to wait and see

[primal nest]

They probably will. With 1 hp and no armor they kinda need stuff like that in order to not immediately get krunked

Also 2 MV, which I’m not sure is staying or not

Again this is all speculation

[glacial junco]

guess the answer is still flashbangs with upgrades :V

[valid wedge]

From what I've seen, you probably need 4 thralls to make it work. Hard to strategize around an unfinished teaser.

[primal nest]

3 bundles also seems pretty nasty

Cuz that’s 3 units u can position anywhere in later rounds

[dense crest]

alignment? Easy
Chaotic Evil

[ivory igloo]

6x gunwights, ammo goblin, egis weapon?

[primal nest]

Talkin bout Steeplewrack specifically

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164643959721693184/1188938942603608215/Screen_Shot_2023-12-25_at_3.18.37_PM.png?ex=65b8082d&is=65a5932d&hm=02500a9bbb128298d08c9c6d1cfbfa1b515584ba32cb2e2ec1f6ca0a2f17d449&

Their thralls have a “more dudes” trait

[crisp night]

nyc pigeons be like

[primal nest]

Carnivorous Owl Big Naturals call that Steepleracks

[crisp night]

so fucking true

carnivorous owl is such a funny tyrant

[ivory igloo]

so you could have 10 birbs and get 5 more birbs on each even round?

[primal nest]

Ye

[ivory igloo]

holy body: indignation activate!

[valid wedge]

The acts are pretty good but any area damage ruins them

[crisp night]

igorri could also benefit greatly from the higher quantity of corpses

though the owl can eat corpses

so i wonder if other steeplewracks will also be able to

gargamox would probably bulldoze steeplewrack now i think about it

what with infect

and hazards

but you never know until you actually play the game

and we only have two steeplewrack units anyway so far

[valid wedge]

We only know 2 units, and those were drafts so it's realyl hard to speculate

[crisp night]

mhm

im really excited for steeplewrack they have potential to be a new favorite faction just because i really like birds

i wonder what unit they'll lack

i have the feeling they'll lack hunter

because rip apart seems to benefit bunching up at close range

[ivory igloo]

still trying to figure out how to make an igorri comp (w/o being heretical)

so far I have chop doc and lycan (their necromancer seems to have a nice way to further bolster their units too)

the flock + chop doc’s marriage ACT seems nice tbh

[valid wedge]

Igori loves their tyrant from what I've seen.

[crisp night]

homonculus is so scary from all i've seen

admittedly i've never played a match as or even against igorri but every afteraction report ive seen with igorri the homonculus is usually cited as a total terror

[ivory igloo]

yeah it looks good too imo

[valid wedge]

I watched an igorri gore match where the igorri gave the tyrant phys armor and just clung their necromancer to it for bodyblockage.

[crisp night]

giant invincible bastard

[ivory igloo]

what’d be nice addition to chop doc, homonculus & lycan?

[frozen quartz]

I've played about 8 games as Igorri, and I've landed on:

• 2x Stitch
• Chop Doc
• Lycan
• Lycan
• Strigoi

With standout upgrades being The Hunger on the Lycans, Scour Flesh on the Chop Doc, Mutagen Injector and Recycle on the Chirurgeon

The Homonculus has felt really, really tanky but underwhelming in terms of damage and clunky to maneuver

(Though that may be due to my smooth brain)

[glacial junco]

I think their tyrant has a eat corpse ability, I'd need to dig back upwards to find it i cna't remember

(The bird one)

[crisp night]

yeah the steeplewrack tyrant can eat bodies

so i bet other steeplewracks will be able to

[glacial junco]

No you have the right of it, Big homo is cool but most people find much more success out of 2 lycans instead

[primal nest]

At the very least, you do get more of them so the sting of losing your thralls feel less bad

[primal nest]

Oh yeah I just realized Steeplewrack is is gonna have a lot of corpse gen

[primal nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164643959721693184/1188938293803491328/Screen_Shot_2023-12-25_at_3.15.36_PM.png?ex=65b80792&is=65a59292&hm=4d1286c4c70d226dd228f1bfe1105d727b90527e0a3d4384175d6b2578ae4e63&

[terse jewel]

Rule question: Does cover work for a unit that's touching the corner of a wall/elevated space? The book says 'next to' which is vague for me

[ivory igloo]

recycle can help get rid of an enemy unit and generate 3x corpses & lycans w/ the hunger can use that to step and/or use bloodgorger?

[primal nest]

Nope. Gotta be orthogonally adjacent

[terse jewel]

Gotcha

[glacial junco]

So i don't disagree with that but where does it say it

[terse jewel]

Yeahh like

[frozen quartz]

Recycle is good because it is unconditional non physical damage. It also comes from your Necro, so it can benefit from strength

I usually use it as a way to deal 2 toxic at the end of the enemy Necro's activation to keep the pressure up

[glacial junco]

salt plz source because while i do agree with that take I also don't see Orthogonal being used

[terse jewel]

I've noticed that the doc is pretty chaotic with its wording, so I can entirely see it going eiter way

[frozen quartz]

Look at how page 16 shows cover working. It really wouldn't work if it also applied diagonally

[glacial junco]

We can't say that for sure tbh

Why couldnt, it the line would just be drawn Diagonally

[terse jewel]

Or two lines drawn from that corner

[frozen quartz]

Then some squares would be "hald cover/half not cover"

[glacial junco]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[valid wedge]

It works diagonally

[frozen quartz]

Also, would be hell to draw out perfectly. You draw a parallel line to a point lol

[valid wedge]

It's about the line the wall draws and the line between the attacker and defender and adjacency.

[primal nest]

I don’t doesn’t say lol

However, it pretty much how cover in icon works

[glacial junco]

Aahhh see that at least has some precedent.

Gotta go grab my ICON rulebook to answer a rule question in Maleghast. (This isn't a bad thing just funny that this is where i'm at

[dense crest]

ah yes
The pizza clock game

[primal nest]

Yeah that’s the main issue with it being measured diagonally

[primal nest]

I can pull it up real quick

[glacial junco]

too late

[terse jewel]

This is what I was imagining would make the most sense

[valid wedge]

yeah. That strigoi is in cover

one step left and it's still in cover. One step down and it's out of sight.

[glacial junco]

ok wait so even in ICON i don't see othagonals in cover I only see

or terrain to gain the effects of cover```

[pseudo flicker]

Generally speaking roll20 and tts sim are the 2 most popular ways to play
In roll20 you need to setup a room with everything to play but a lot of people already did that and kinda just keep their rooms public for others to use

In tts sim room and everything you need is already there, but you still need to build a map instead of uploading an image

[terse jewel]

Adjacent by maleghast rules is specified as either orthogonally or diagonally adjacent

[glacial junco]

I know

[pseudo flicker]

In terms of technicalities roll20 would be easier since you assign tokens by just clicking a dude while in tts you fiddle with 3d tokens

[glacial junco]

I'm not disagreeing with you

[terse jewel]

What it does not do is specify how this should be measured unfortunately

[glacial junco]

lemme go find the list to add this to it

[dense crest]

What I do is to leave the unit card on the side of the map and put the tokens on top of that

[pseudo flicker]

I like 3d tokens and i personally place them on the same tile as a unit - i made sure theres place there, but some other people think its annoying or place them on a unit card
To each their own

[terse jewel]

That's another thing I thought of doing! I always thought it wouldn't work well with multiple of the same unit though. Do you like, color code them?

[primal nest]

I do feel that for both games it is orthogonally adjacent because it is just xcom rules

[pseudo flicker]

You can just remember things

Also irc you can draw/write over cards but that might be wrong

[primal nest]

Also there was a diagram Tom made a while back…

[glacial junco]

Right the one in the book

is also in the book, So when it says next to it gets fuzzy

[dense crest]

I number them, like
Enforcer 1 Enforcer 2 and Enforcer 3, renaming the card and the unit

[terse jewel]

Ahh

[dense crest]

color coding can work as well

[terse jewel]

Maybe I'll give it a shot some time

[primal nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/869733188736532561/1118163637673152682/coverexamples.jpg?ex=65b8f389&is=65a67e89&hm=44be921bc539671d93939f46fe6f52ff7d43712071e1a25de917b2b555c32260&

[terse jewel]

The way we do it (On Owlbear Rodeo) gets hectic especially when you have something like Igorri

[primal nest]

Found it

Here Theja

[pseudo flicker]

oh yeah thats not working out at all imo xd

[glacial junco]

Icon yea?

Well i suppose this works at least to show there is some kind of precident for this kinda thing. Might be good to come to a consensus or have it be clarified that this applies to maleghast too (Even if its obvious to some)

[primal nest]

Yeah

[ivory igloo]

thoughts on
antipriest, chop doc, lycan, lycan, strigoi

[primal nest]

Honestly holy body is the better pick for Igorri/abhorrers heresy

(Also keep in mind they heresy is an optional rule)

[ivory igloo]

yeah I know

heresy being an optional rule that is

[primal nest]

Gotcha

[ivory igloo]

tbh if going pure igorri
not really sure about replacement for antipriest/holy body

I feel like one of chop doc/strigoi is fine
can’t take another lycan
which just leaves stitch and homonculus

[primal nest]

Stiches are nice for marriage fodder

[frozen quartz]

I use stitches as a worse third Lycan that also gives me an extra soul and 3 extra corpses

Double activating them after they've gained strenght with Unstable Mutation can onetap most things

[ivory igloo]

huh

nice

[glacial junco]

nightmare

[storm pine]

Send dudes

[storm pine]

Incredible, no notes

I'm building my first Igorri list rn

Have played DS every single game except 1, where I played GG

But I've been making lists for every house for fun/practice

[ivory igloo]

same

[surreal bronze]

I'm building my first Heresy one.

:D

Seems fun.

[storm pine]

They looked overwhelming at a glance at first, but upon building this list, I think I kind of get it

Just buff-slingers essentially

Thinking this might be the most support-centric necromancer I've ever made

They might not directly attack a unit even once, depending on the situation

[versed basin]

Yeah, the Line attack doubles for supporting with Mutation tokens.

[storm pine]

But that Mutagen Injector could go craaaazy

Yeah that default ACT is fun looking

Great utility, you could bait some lines of friends and foes together pretty simply I think

Unless they're DS/Mox

[primal nest]

Really good for damage racing a Necro

[storm pine]

The list I made is a support Chirurgeon, Doc, double Lycans, Strigoi, Bighomo

Probably pretty basic

[ivory igloo]

accelerate evolution + mutagen injector + recycle?

[storm pine]

Anyone had success with weird Mass builds?

[versed basin]

Yeah, I found it's a really effective, steady tool due to Polyglot and no On-Hit.

Basically a free 2-damage line.

[storm pine]

Exactly haha

Considering New Material instead of Mutagen just to ensure the Lycans and Homo are supercharged

Stay passive and supportive with the Chirurgeon

[ivory igloo]

I’m down for new material
muh lycans are hangry

[primal nest]

For Igorri?