MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[feral hearth]

Deadsouls has it in spades if I remember correctly

[onyx ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/treat-yo-self-treat-yourself-parks-and-rec-gif-3565468

[real bane]

Blessed Barrens

Anzenmezzeron's neighboring cities tried everything in their power, noticing the city's rise to the necromantic arts. Wards, blessings, words of power enough to rend undead flesh to dust and nullify the foulest magics. It wasn't enough.

This ruin's soil still holds lingering holy energies, and its dunes are Adverse. You may climb its rocky hills for Elevation, and its scorched woods are Hazards. Potent magic surrounds the ever-burning ward candles. Undead like yourself treat them like Walls.

[undone atlas]

Reading more of the rulebook and getting excited 😊 hope some of my Icon group is interested in playing this. So far only 2 questions but they might be answered later or in the update errata: can melee attacks hit adjacent diagonal spaces and can lines be drawn across lower elevations than the start?

[real bane]

Yup and yup

Maleghast is in all respects a two-dimensional game; elevation is more of a status than a position

[undone atlas]

Thanks!

[sand kernel]

Was the Igorri inspired partially by Fear & Hunger by any chance?

[onyx ermine]

i think it was more frankenstein

[dense crest]

Lycan Moonless ❤️

[onyx ermine]

what smakes ya say that anyways?

[craggy iron]

this, I think
"marriage" in Fear and Hunger refers to a fusion of two characters through sacrifice

[dense crest]

Yeah that makes me 100% think is a Fear and Hunger reference

[sand kernel]

And the overall vibe i feel

there's alot of human-born abominations in Termina

Marriage was most definitely the catalyst to that statement

[dense crest]

Sorry let me use the correct reaction

[dense crest]

Without a doubt

[pseudo flicker]

I dont think igorri as a whole are a fear and hunger reference

Marriage is

[dense crest]

Goregrinder have chainsawman all over their face
Which is GOOD

[sand kernel]

I did say partially reference after all

they do lean more into mad scientist stuff

[dense crest]

TF2 Medic Necromancer when

See? Already halfway there

[sand kernel]

he already is one so i dont see why not

[primal nest]

Deadsouls actually only has 1 form on token removal

And it’s only on omnipresence (which only affects the bound devil)

[storm pine]

Yeah, we're more about negative token distribution to negate opponents' positives

DS give out weak like candy, and Doom are a pretty strong incentive for enemies to waste a turn burning Doom tokens offf

[pseudo flicker]

waste a turn

I think thats a pretty wrong mindset

[primal nest]

Simply kill the Deadsoul

[storm pine]

Like I was saying, the THREAT of t4 Doom dropping is the most valuable part of Doom. If an enemy necro uses a turn/soul to get rid of Doom, that's action economy in the bank for DS

[pseudo flicker]

Modt token clears either do smh on top or are taken specifically for that purpise

[storm pine]

What

[pseudo flicker]

Penitents inhale doom and process it into strength

[dense crest]

How, it's already dead, it's in the name

[pseudo flicker]

Most forms of token clear are not a waste of a turn

[primal nest]

Do it harder then

[dense crest]

oooooh...
So that's what the strength tokens are for

[storm pine]

Simply do not allow your Deadsouls to be killed

[primal nest]

“Oh no” says the warlord “what ever shall I do with these yummy negative tokens”

[pseudo flicker]

Ghosts resist holy water but not bullets.......

[primal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/deku-chicken-puppy-popeyes-bussin-gif-17586060866504529932

[storm pine]

Dread Presence baybee

[glacial junco]

Horrifying. I wish i didn't see this

[primal nest]

Enjoy ur gift of deku chicken bussin

[pseudo flicker]

Actually, how do deadsouls cope with akimbo?

[glacial junco]

having 5+ df typically

[storm pine]

But they ARE something imposed on you by DS mechanics

[primal nest]

LoS blocking primarily

[pseudo flicker]

Hope that faction whose gimmick is rolling high doesnt roll high?

[storm pine]

Weak tokens and forcing Operators into melee range with no option to retreat

[primal nest]

U don’t gotta worry bout getting deleted much if they can’t see u

[glacial junco]

You could say the same about akimbo and grinders the only difference is hopefully i'll be in their face before they get to shoot

[pseudo flicker]

Yes
A lot of factions have negative tokens
Its not a waste of a turn to clear them

By that logic giving out negative tokens would be a waste of a turn too

Because they got cleared

[valid wedge]

Walls grant cover.

Or can block line of sight

[primal nest]

Honestly the main thing about Doom is that it doesn’t feel consistent enough for me to actually scared of it

Minus Great Satania

[valid wedge]

Simply kidnap the token healer first and their ability to stop doom is over. If they double up on token healers, that's also probably good for you.

[pseudo flicker]

Gameplan of "kill them faster" is indeed a classic one

[storm pine]

DS rely on distribution of negative tokens and debuffs to not get their shit rocked

Almost unilaterally having 3 hp units

[pseudo flicker]

Freaks are generally target prio too even if you arent deadsouls

[storm pine]

It's honestly more psychological than a surefire way to pop off 6 devil damage

[pseudo flicker]

I guess not the case for igorri since you want to whap strigois but strigois are basically freaks

[glacial junco]

the least hunter hunter

[storm pine]

For sure

So weirdly support-centric

I like Igorri units' synergy so much

[primal nest]

The fear doesn’t exist if it never occurs

[storm pine]

They're all pretty bunk alone, but have so much potential to be terrifying when reliant on one another

[storm pine]

Fair. Sometimes applying Doom just isn't in the cards. We should play sometime dude.

[primal nest]

True

[valid wedge]

It's pretty easy to incidentally inflict doom. Especially when you tech for it. Like banshee wall dooming.

[storm pine]

I want to see your anti-Doom strats

[storm pine]

Exactly

At higher malice levels, Doom gets a lot more serious

I've stacked 3 Doom tokens on units before

That shit is just not getting cleared

[valid wedge]

Also the fact that doom doesn't clear after round 4 is huge.

I love that.

[primal nest]

U can still clear after round 4?

[dense crest]

So Grand Satania is almost a 'must pick'?

[primal nest]

Probably if you are trying to do doom stuff

I dunno

[valid wedge]

No I mean activating doom doesn't clear doom like other negative tokens.

Great Satania seems to a be a trap for me so far.

[primal nest]

Ooooh. I see

[dense crest]

FRICK

[dense crest]

So what soul abilityu you recommend for baby's first DS use?

[primal nest]

Admittedly my experience is Deadsouls is very limited. None of the friends I know play them anymore mostly cuz they couldn’t really get consistent stuff done with them

[primal nest]

I’d say writhing curse

That shit nutty

[pseudo flicker]

Activating doom literally kills any unit thats not a necromancer instantly, i dont thimk its particularly relevant that it doesnt clear after going off

[primal nest]

Although @storm pine ,I would like to know where is most of ur doom gen coming from? Probably visigheist right?

[valid wedge]

Real talk? Disincorporate would have won me a game against Gore where I had a doom on their necromancer and I had 1 HP and neither of us had any units.

[valid wedge]

True but I just think it's neat

[dense crest]

thank

[pseudo flicker]

No little german mushroom boy dont go into the doom cave

[primal nest]

OH MEIN GOTT, THIS IS CAVE FULL OF GORMEN CULTEN

[dense crest]

I love that meme so much

[valid wedge]

You can also twist sinews units into hazards at the start of their turn which is neat. I'm no DS expert. I mostly cyclopean wall.

[primal nest]

I dunno. I do want to see what DS is really capable off. Cuz I don’t think they are as bad as what people might think they at a first glance

[valid wedge]

They are quite strong

[onyx ermine]

Generally doing doom right out of the gate is bad, u wanna do it round 3 and 4 when u can detour their plans with fear of losing units.

Then profit of the chaos by doubling down on doom or cutting into their units while they attempt to remove it

[primal nest]

I do sorta feel that a decent chunk of their options could use some help. Just to allow a lil more list variety. Could be wrong tho

[onyx ermine]

Only problematic thing about Deadsouls is they massively suffer on small battlefields

[dense crest]

Define small
6x6?

[onyx ermine]

Ye

[dense crest]

Fair

[onyx ermine]

U need walls, while the others usually just can go for the throat

[pseudo flicker]

8x8 is pretty small too

[onyx ermine]

I prefer all my battles on 10x10 or 12x12 for my group

Just a lot leeway for everyone

[pseudo flicker]

Same

[primal nest]

My mostly does 8x8. Feels just right

Never touching anything smaller than that tho

[dense crest]

I mostly played on 8x8, won't 10x10 or 12x12 be too big for a 1v1?
Lots of walking

[onyx ermine]

I just like 10x10 and 12x12 cuz it values everyone equally, and before anyone’s say anything goregrinders have no trouble covering distance

I usually play with 3+ peeps tho

[primal nest]

Yeah 3 or more players ye that’s fair

1v1 on 10x10 I feel tends to make matches take longer? Mostly round 1 is a lot of just getting into position

9x9 might be a nice middle ground now that I’m thinking bout it

[valid wedge]

8x8 is the recommended standard

[pseudo flicker]

If by lots you mean sometimes needing more than 1 move, then yes

[dense crest]

What if you can stretch the deployment reach on a 10x10? Instead of 2 units, 4.

[primal nest]

Honestly u should just play 8x8 at that point

[valid wedge]

8x8 in better for DS anyway. Fewer needed points to wall.

[dense crest]

Think about how Goregrinders can go all over the place and spread after deployment

But fair

[pseudo flicker]

Why lmao

Thats defeats the purpose of a 10x10

[dense crest]

To cut round 1 'repositioning' phase , it was my reasoning

[pseudo flicker]

But why

[valid wedge]

10x8 could be interesting.

but I definitely prefer 8x8

[dense crest]

So you can make your warhead happy

[primal nest]

That’s honestly more an issue with furious roar then anything

[onyx ermine]

Some of that “repositioning” is needed for some of the houses like Deadsouls and carcass

[primal nest]

Without it, even though they have pretty good MV stats and those Charge acts if there is any terrain in the way is does limit where they can actually approach from

[dense crest]

That's fair yeah, rethinking, it would be silly to give 4 squares

[ruby spire]

i'm gonna flambé you with garlic and onions motherfucker

[primal nest]

😌

[onyx ermine]

Saltmeister Brûlée sounds tastier :3

[storm pine]

Depends on Malice. Spite, yeah. Double Vizigheist Shrieks are great. However, Maggot Destroyer + Doomblade is by far the most reliable Doom generation. I screen my other units and have them create cover for my Dark Priest to run around (through walls) and Doomblade until t4, then it's Maggot Destroyer GUB time.

Serpent's Kiss is good if the Chosen doesn't have any Kidnap opportunities or good spots to pop Tombraiser.

Sacrifice's Shudder has the highest chance for a non upgraded unit to proc Doom, (4+) but they die so easily they're practically a get out of Doom free card. I think their pull is more valuable.

For Loathing and higher, I love Doom Bell Banshees and Death Toll Omnipresence. Upgraded Bound Devils do an awesome job of just being super tanky hypermobile Doom token dispensers.

[primal nest]

do you think it would be too crazy if shudder doomed on isolation instead of an effect die? Cuz right its two die checks to get that doom proc

[storm pine]

Too crazy? Nah I'd love it

DS are one of the more undertuned Houses currently

And that would be great incentive to use Sacrifices. Right now I pretty much never do

Hmmm actually, factoring in upgrades at high malice, that could be insane haha

Walking through walls and auto-Dooming on isolation is pretty crazy for a thrall

[primal nest]

I feel like giving a consistent doom gen to the unit that is the easiest target for clearing doom seems like a reasonable trade off

[storm pine]

Hmmm idk. I honestly think it could make sense. They're 2 hp unarmored units. Not that tricky to just kill them and get rid of the Doom.

[storm pine]

Exactly

I'm with you on that

[primal nest]

And it still requires u to hit and have isolation set up

[valid wedge]

I think the only thing I would change about DS is giving Vizigheist 1 more hp

Like they have a high learning curve but I think they're really good

[primal nest]

A Deadsouls unit? With normal hp?

Heresy

[storm pine]

I love Deadsouls. I've played about 10 games with them and exactly one game not as them, haha

[dense crest]

How many did you won with them

[primal nest]

Hell yeah

[storm pine]

I agree, the learning curve is high, and the payoff is high

[primal nest]

As a mox player i have nothing but respect for our fellow brothers in map gentrification
All my fellas

[dense crest]

Igorri can transform the map into a corpse filled graveyard too

[storm pine]

A lot? All of my games have been with the same handful of friends, so we all learned together and played at the same relative experience level

[dense crest]

You say you are Gargamaxxing but your name is not green
Curious /j

[storm pine]

I'll have to check the spreadsheet

I've won a handful, drawn a few, and only lost in a 1v1v1, where I still stomped one player before getting myself stomped

[dense crest]

oh very nice

[storm pine]

Thanks player

I've had some insanely close games, to be fair

I don't have a table sim yet, but I'm looking into it

Let's get something together once I do

[dense crest]

of course! I play primarely on table sim.
20 dollars atm

[storm pine]

Nice

I've heard it works well for KD too, probably a solid investment for me

[onyx ermine]

Why have a thrall build a wall on death when u can just build em without it

[valid wedge]

I use Miro

[storm pine]

Exactlyyyyy

🤝

[onyx ermine]

I find sacrifices beyond useless

I get their job, but it’s an easily avoidable job

U can pretty much ignore them when vsing Deadsouls, because they pose no threat on their own

They need something

[dense crest]

I just want to date the Bound Devil

[onyx ermine]

Get ur self a chosen

https://tenor.com/view/nauve-gif-19301559

[dense crest]

But Bullfrawg,
you see
I am a filthy furry

[worthy steppe]

I feel like Sacrifices are meant for body blocking and incidental wall creation

Especially if you take Puppet Strings

[dense crest]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-slapping-rick-and-morty-morty-rick-gif-27624701

[worthy steppe]

I haven't gotten to actually play yet, though, so no idea for sure yet

[valid wedge]

The problem is they're not worth the slot compared to other options.

If you think about it, they have better rate for HP than the rest of DS, but lower utility.

I still recommend them vs abhorrers but nothing else.

[worthy steppe]

So if I'm interested in the DeadSouls concept and playing my first game tonight with a likewise newbie (but someone with a brain like a supercomputer so they'll probably pick up instantly) what would you suggest as a list?

[valid wedge]

For your first game? One of everything. Don't try to win, just learn the units.

[dense crest]

Exactly I do that

For the extra ACT and SOUL I Grabbed Tear Soul and Writhing Curse

Playing a game with the respawn mechanics and going for points is fun too

[worthy steppe]

Oh, a question about general action parsing with Deadsoul as an example

Can't remember which unit it is right now, but one has blahblahblah ?+ doom all affected units. All affected units with doom take 1 curse damage. That includes units doomed by the attack since it comes after, correct? Actions are not parsed with all effects simultaneous, but rather sequentially?

[primal nest]

Visigheist ye
I’m pretty sure that it only does the extra damage on units that were already doomed before the ACT

[worthy steppe]

But that violates expectation based on reading order. If that was the case it sould be "Doomed units take 1 curse damage. Splash (self): foes gain 1 weak (5+) and are Doomed."

And I'm not finding anything in the move/act rules indicating that act effects are processed based on state at start of execution

[hollow aspen]

Big agreement. 8x8 is cramped (I think 10 is the sweet spot)

[worthy steppe]

Also, that reading would prevent the Mox plaguelord from detonating the plague token placed by Virulence.

Oh, nevermind. I'm now certain of my read because the Mox Rotten specifically calls out otherwise.

Vomitous Mass: Line: 1 plague. ALREADY plagued foes gain 1 slow.

[primal nest]

I mean the order of operations is right. I just have feeling that it’s suppose to be intended this way when you look other apply doom/do dmg to doom unit effects

[worthy steppe]

I feel like the Rotten's Vomitous Mass really sets the standard here now that I've noticed it.

[primal nest]

Hmmm

[worthy steppe]

Though in my opinion a language cleanup could still be done to make it even more clear, even with Vomitous Mass.

Vomitous Mass: Line: Plagued foes gain 1 slow. 1 plague.

Had to rewrite that, original version had the slow as a global effect like shriek

[primal nest]

I’m just lookin at like, if it just does the curse damage to the units doomed by the ability, why would it be tied to them being doomed and not just effect roll itself?

[worthy steppe]

Because the damage to doomed is global

Not based on the splash

And is therefore cannot be tied to the effect roll

[primal nest]

What do u mean global

[worthy steppe]

Well, my read of it is that Horrendous Shriek weakens and potentially dooms affected enemies within the splash. THEN all doomed units on the board take 1 damage.

[primal nest]

I highly doubt horrendous shriek is intended to work like that

[worthy steppe]

I mean, that's how it's written, at least from my perspective as someone who plays a lot of card games with intricate card effects like MTG and various deck builders.

But to be fair, Tom's pretty sloppy with periods all throughout the ability descriptions

[pseudo flicker]

I think you shouldnt read into it as deep as counting periods

[worthy steppe]

I understand that the game is the product of a two week fugue state and therefore isn't written that precisely, but that just means it could use a pass to clean up. You SHOULD be able to intuitively interpret abilities based on where fullstops are.

Horrendous Shriek should either be
"Curse: Splash (self): foes gain 1 weak (5+): and are Doomed. Doomed units take 1 curse damage."
OR
"Curse: Splash (self): Doomed units take 1 curse damage, foes gain 1 weak (5+): and are Doomed."
if it's not meant to be global, depending on whether only pre-doomed units should take the damage or units doomed by the effect do.

Wait, I retract my statement on globals.

Because I see the issue with my first one.

That makes the damage contingent on a successful effect die.

The full stop decouples the damage from the effect roll but is still bound by the splash range.

[primal nest]

Also, if it was global it would probably have the “all units anywhere” clause like furious roar does

[worthy steppe]

So yeah, the skill as written is correct and damage does (should) apply to units doomed by the effect.

And the reason the damage isn't tied to the effect roll is it damages doomed units regardless of whether or not more units are doomed

So if you hit three enemies, one of which is already doomed, that one will take damage even if the effect roll fails.

All three will take damage if it succeeds.

[worthy steppe]

You're right. A global effect would be "All Doomed units take one damage"

Also, doomed has stopped looking like a real word at this point.

[worthy steppe]

Pardon me @pseudo flicker, but are you the person who has made the Maleghast TTS module? I see at the least that the token set is credited to you.

[pseudo flicker]

I did make the mod yea

[worthy steppe]

May I DM you a request?

[pseudo flicker]

Sure!

Not guarantee to grant it tho

[worthy steppe]

Of course. Why I wanted to DM instead of asking here to avoid any sort of public pressure.

[worthy steppe]

@sly vine Do you mind if I DM you a request?

[sly bough]

Is there some place where people share team compositions sorted by faction and 1v1 or teams?

[sly vine]

nope

as in nope i don't mind

[valid wedge]

The reason it doesn't hurt units that it immediately doomed is because no abilities check tokens that it creates.

If it makes a plague tokens or berserk token, it can't detonate that plague and that berserk doesn't go off at end of the ACT (if an act made it, generating berserk, then acting will still activate/check the berserk, same with plague and doom)

[primal nest]

i think virulence can detonate the plague token it applies just because its a specific clause

although the wording on that in general is a bit odd

like when it says "detonate a plague on a unit" i assume its referring to the target?

[valid wedge]

Yeah

[craggy iron]

is there a reason that the Deadsouls lack Freaks in their roster?
y'know, aside from that being the gimmick with houses

[pale echo]

That's the gimmick with houses

All of them are missing one

[frozen quartz]

Why buff self when debuff enemy? (Also maybe something to do with how they don't have a soul anymore)

[craggy iron]

I know that. that's why I specified a reason other than that.
CARCASS are long range so they don't have a horror. Goregrinders are melee so they don't have a hunter. Gargamox are anarchists so they don't have a tyrant. Abhorrers are bulky and limited so they don't have thralls. Igorri are generalists so they don't have a specialist scion. That's why I ask, what's up with Deadsouls?

[latent sun]

We thought Gargamox didn't have tyrants because
like, they're... swarm guys? sneaky? we dunno, them not having a tyrant just felt right

[frozen quartz]

I think it really is just like I said before. Deadsouls, in game terms, are selfish; and in lore terms they are creepy and capable of inflicting true death. They would rather debuff your attack than buff their own defences. Freaks focus on helping allies, while Deadsouls focus on making the enemies life hell

[craggy iron]

mm, I suppose that makes sense. though don't some freaks debuff as well?

[pale echo]

Sounds right to me

[frozen quartz]

In that sense, every Deadsouls unit is a debuffing Freak. Even their thralls can mess with you by pulling, and all other units in their roster have ways to inflict weak (with the exception of their horror, but horrors are all about explosive damage)

[craggy iron]

ah. true enough

thank ya

[frozen quartz]

I am awake at 1:34 am discussing funni skeleton game lore

so, np

[storm pine]

Gargamox believe in equality and are anarchists. No gods, no masters, and certainly no units called TYRANTS

Oh you said the same thing lol let's goooo

[latent sun]

Tyrants aren't literal tyrants is the thing. The Bound Devil is just that - Bound, by contract, to the Necromancer's will. At least we think so.

[pale echo]

probably!

But the swarm thing and punk angle still resonate with each other in a way that makes it more fitting for them to lack a Tyrant, even if the name isn't literal

[latent sun]

That's true

And a fair point

End of comment

[primal nest]

It’s also one of those things where tyrants usually have AoE tools

And all of mox already have that

[naive glacier]

someone help them the deadsouls player spent 3000 dollars on walls

[primal nest]

Oh shit its mort

[pale echo]

goobye flatlands

we knew ye well

[primal nest]

Testing out the merchant stuff?

[naive glacier]

friends of mine playing

[pale echo]

cask of amontillado army

[primal nest]

rootin for mort and the mort fort

[latent sun]

cask of amontillado but the guy seals himself in the walls

[primal nest]

you know i should make a general maleghast resource doc

like the one for lancer

[valid wedge]

Needs more walls

[cinder bloom]

Hey folks, got a couple of friends together, looking for a good map for 2v2

Or any rule of thumbs for maps

[primal nest]

There’s a couple of 10x10 maps in the map drive

[storm pine]

The more mentions DS have a knack for binding and contracting with devils.

That said it's more of a bit than anything else

[cinder bloom]

Oh! Where is the map drive?

[primal nest]

Should be in da pins

[cinder bloom]

awesome thank you!

[worthy steppe]

Could you please point to where that's in the rulebook as an assumption/standard? Vomitous Mass very clearly calls out that it doesn't affect units that gained a token during the ability, which leads me to assume that the behavior you're stating is the standard is in fact an outlier.

[valid wedge]

Pretty sure it's in the errata

[worthy steppe]

Can you point me at the errata?

[glacial junco]

its in the pins

[thick meteor]

Is Banshee’s bale scream meant to be able to go through walls?

[valid wedge]

Yes

[primal nest]

Yup

[thick meteor]

That makes the faction feel so much better lol

[dense crest]

No wonder people grab 3 Banshees usually

Poor Sacrifice

[worthy steppe]

Nope, nothing about abilities not triggering off tokens placed by the ability itself in the errata

Everything as written Horrendous Shriek would do damage to units Doomed by that use of Horrendous Shriek

[onyx ermine]

Me and my homies are part of the no sacrifice crew

https://tenor.com/view/homie-geee-high-five-funny-gif-14770545

[thorn sky]

If you don’t respect the sacrifice, you’ll end up one.

[onyx ermine]

Nah! I’d never be that useless

Only on fridays

[thorn sky]

I’ll get to work on your crucifix

[onyx ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-chosen-os-escolhidos-los-elegidos-jesus-the-chosen-jonathan-roumie-gif-27290630

[worthy steppe]

I'm gonna be playing my first game of Maleghast tonight, how does 2x Sacrifice, 2x Chosen, 2x Banshee sounds for a Deadsouls Spite list?

[thorn sky]

Sounds good

[worthy steppe]

Kinda want to play up on the "fucking around with walls" part of Deadsouls

[onyx ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/blunder-princess-bride-you-fool-gullible-gotcha-gif-14120688

[worthy steppe]

What, taking Sacrifices?

[onyx ermine]

Personal bias don’t mind me

[thorn sky]

I get it. I think pain ghoul is garbag

[onyx ermine]

Just better to get another non thrall because u will get more bang for ur buck

[onyx ermine]

:v

[dense crest]

Does that mean I get to float too?!

[onyx ermine]

Watcha mean?

[thorn sky]

Yes, but you lose autonomy

[thorn sky]

Doesn’t fit the way I play gg

[onyx ermine]

I usually take one in case I’m vsing a plague mommy or a Deadsouls

[dense crest]

dang

[onyx ermine]

Cauterise is just an instant fuck u to those factions

[worthy steppe]

I mean, I'm explicitly getting them more as a nuisance choice and some incidental damage/doom/wall plus the intended purpose (my intended purpose) of setting up Isolate with Beckon and being some early SOUL when they get whacked.

[dense crest]

3 banshees and 4 sacrifices? bold

[thorn sky]

I said goregrinders

[onyx ermine]

Fairo

[thorn sky]

I like to perform a good old rushdown

[onyx ermine]

U will not live

[pseudo flicker]

Didnt see them do shit tbh so i agree

[worthy steppe]

I don't expect them to do MUCH, just pull a unit or two out of position before they "No Mister Bond, I expect you to die"

[onyx ermine]

Ur all sleeping on pain ghoul >:v

[dense crest]

Yes that's the point, we are undead /j

[pseudo flicker]

we do nit live, we UNLIVE

[thorn sky]

Hehe warhead go kick back.mp3

[pseudo flicker]

ooh aah

We don't do things all day, we do them all NIGHT

[onyx ermine]

Ngl warheads are pretty neat

[dense crest]

We don't say 'thank god' we say 'fuck you god' 'thank satania'

[onyx ermine]

Just wish sacrifice had like a small chance of damage

Half the time they just get ignored for the real targets

[storm pine]

You're allowed 2 tops

[worthy steppe]

I feel like they're mostly meant for pulling things into isolation to set up for the real units, hence Beckon ignoring line of sight.

Keep them by your necro for body blocking and just yank stuff out of position

Puppet Master helps make body blocking range more feasible too

[onyx ermine]

Oh I’m aware of their function, but sometimes it’s best to not pull

And that means they just sit there

[worthy steppe]

Eh, with how much Deadsouls triggers off of Isolated I feel like there should always be a good pull target, even if it's just getting someone into position for a Chosen to kidnap them through a wall. But I haven't played yet, so this is all vibes.

[onyx ermine]

See how ya go ye

[dense crest]

Frick

[dense crest]

Gonna be playing DS vs Mox today so I can tell you how it went

[worthy steppe]

No idea what I'm playing against yet.

My buddy is still reading the rulebook today

Also, I'm still having to wrap my brain around such a small board and the fact that range 2-3 is essentially a third of the board.

Or rather, a third of the length of the board

Going into this after being a Battletech player for years and years and such small numbers for range perplex and confuse me XD

[primal nest]

How high are ranges in that?

[worthy steppe]

An LRM-20 (Long Range Missile, 20 shot salvo) has a long range bracket of 15-21 hexes.

[primal nest]

I see

[worthy steppe]

Though, as a comparison the longest range shot in Maleghast is probably longer by proportion of board than anything in Battletech despite being only 2-6 range.

Though actually, if you're only playing a skirmish sized board I take that back

Probably pretty equal in proportional range now that I think about it.

Though a Battletech skirmish is even smaller in unit numbers than Maleghast, generally 4v4

[onyx ermine]

Go 8x8 for the board

Thank me later

[worthy steppe]

We already were going to since that's the standard board size XD

Going to be using Eule's awesome TTS module

Though I might set up IsoCON at some point

[primal nest]

Hell yeah

Eule is doing great stuff with tts

[worthy steppe]

For people who have played, about how many tokens would you suggest for a physical setup? Going to be doing weak/strength as a pair (so opposite sides of the same token), vitality/vulnerable, slow/speed, then plague, mutation, doom, and berserk as separate tokens.

[primal nest]

I think physical side tokens are tracked with colored dice

[versed basin]

That's smart imo.

But I think you should still have enough tokens to have one for each unit in a 4-person game, some barring the user, or enough for oneself if positive.

[worthy steppe]

So assuming worst case scenario of two people running full thrall setups that's 11 units a side, so say 20 of each token pair and individual token type?

[pseudo flicker]

20 tokens should be enough

[versed basin]

The generic tokens (strength/speed, etc.) would be about there, yeah. Plague is for everyone, Doom is for enemies, Mutation/Berserk is usually for oneself, but there should be enough for when you inflict Berserk on others.

[worthy steppe]

I want to have enough for a two person set and capable of supporting mirror matches, hence enough tokens for both sides.

Even on faction tokens

[versed basin]

In that case, 20 to 22 of each, yeah.

Speed in particular can get a bit crazy with the Furious Roar on Goregrinders' necromancer bonus ACT options.

[worthy steppe]

And soul (if tracked by tokens rather than dice) only needs 12

What's the highest number of adverse/hazardous terrain you guys have seen in play at once?

[versed basin]

I don't usually keep track of that myself, but could play it safe with making enough to cover an 8x6 board, or about 48-50.

[worthy steppe]

You think the entire board could end up adverse/hazardous?

[versed basin]

Depending on the sides, a lot could happen.

Hmm... Maybe closer to 30-40 each?

Deadsouls is the bigger adverse creator and free movement effects, while Garg has the hazards and some immune units.

[worthy steppe]

And what about walls and elevations? Elevations are only added at map setup, so shouldn't be too many I don't think, but walls I'm not sure about

[primal nest]

soul should probably just be tracked with die, since it is a cap of 6

for hazards and walls u def want a lot of those in reserve

those factions will be turning the map into minecraft

[worthy steppe]

So 40 walls (double sided, new/damaged), 40 double sided hazard/adverse?

[versed basin]

Doublesided won't cut it for adverse/hazards.

They can exist on the same tiles, right?

[worthy steppe]

If this is the case then they should also be tokens rather than full 1.5 inch square tiles, sicne you'd need to be able to see them both on the square.

I hadn't realized that, thank you

Hmmm, what do you think on elevation tiles though?

[dense crest]

Has anyone tried to paint a mini in the Magnagothica style?
As in, black, white and only shades of 1 color?

[primal nest]

and done

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u5IUORNFFY4qgeLlCBvdTY4EnUILXbxYnzB53bV-8m8/edit?usp=sharing

that should be pretty much everything

feel free to share this all around, and lemme know if you wanna see stuff added

[dense crest]

PIN IT

[primal nest]

@umbral cipher may a homie get a pin?

[umbral cipher]

sure!

[primal nest]

tyty

[worthy steppe]

When you Reload does that reload all abilities on the character or do you have to reload for each ability? This is only really relevant for the EGIS and the Operator

[pale echo]

Reload all abilities on that character

[primal nest]

ye

[worthy steppe]

So an Operator with Clutch Reload and Devil Bullet can result in an every-other-turn auto-reloading armor ignoring attack at +1D, since those will interact to reload both Akimbo and Devil Bullet

[thorn sky]

talk about pulling a devil trigger

[worthy steppe]

With a limit of 6 rounds though every other turn combos don't SOUND powerful

No idea how it plays out in game yet

[primal nest]

Devil Bullet also isn’t a Reload ability

You reload as part of its effect

[worthy steppe]

Oh, derp

I'm a goof

[primal nest]

Nah u good

[worthy steppe]

Didn't see that it was after effect

So essentially Devil Bullet is a boosted reload that consumes ACT instead of MOVE

[primal nest]

Ye

Is pretty good, especially with STG

[worthy steppe]

So could do Clutch Reload + Devil Bullet to go shoot, devil bullet, shoot, shoot.

[primal nest]

Ye

If u hit the headshot of course

[worthy steppe]

Devil bullet guarantees the headshot

[primal nest]

Oh true ye

[worthy steppe]

But only really useful in a situation where you need to move anyway. If you can hunker down in a firing line can just normal reload

Can definitely see an STG Devil Bullet as a game ender though

[proven flame]

doing a player poll aack

https://strawpoll.com/NMnQ5AA4An6

[worthy steppe]

Basically if Operator at 5 soul and uses Devil Bullet, you have the rest of the round to kill them or keep your Necromancer out of range.

[primal nest]

keep in mind you can body block stg

[versed basin]

Voted! I'd like to play more Abhorrers, but another group of mine (who were still learning) disliked them. I need to get back to 'em, tbh.

[worthy steppe]

Good point

Didn't think about that

[primal nest]

Ye

Body blocking good

[worthy steppe]

S'why I'm very likely to take Puppet Master for my necrotrait on DeadSouls

[primal nest]

Puppet Master is very good

Real nice for positioning

[worthy steppe]

Yeah, having 24 spaces available for body blockers to stand in instead of eight is a HUGE boost

Leaves you much freer to move around

I feel like Deadsouls would be stupid good in Heresy matches because of Puppet Master. Take 2 units that fit into your game plan that have ARM with heresy picks, plus two Banshees, plus maybe a Bound Devil?

Body block onto whoever has the right type of armor.

Obviously your opponent can just not target your necromancer, but that's a downside all its own.

Maybe Rotten + Banshees? Use walls to force the enemy to path through hazards?

You know, all of the necromancer portraits are off model from the faction necromancer full body art, but the Goregrinders necromancer portrait is something else. They've got this awesome Mad Max cyborg vibe and then their Warlord portrait is a Conan villain?

[thorn sky]

This will not stand

and neither will my foes

[worthy steppe]

Are you saying I'm wrong?

[thorn sky]

no

i'm saying that this needs to be remedied

[pale echo]

They're not "off model" they're different characters

[worthy steppe]

The Operator is very close, just with visor down and some tweaks, Plaguelord is very similar just mouth closed and some tweaks, Dark Priest is almost identical just a side view portrait, though to be fair Exorcist, Warlord, and Chirugeon are very clearly different characters

But even as different characters they all rep their faction style... except the Warlord

[thorn sky]

the exorcist portrait is just that one guy from hellsing

[worthy steppe]

Yeah, VERY clearly Alexander Anderson

[primal nest]

The Plaguelords are not similar lol

On one side we got the girl who works part time at hot topic

And on the other side

Da jonkler

[valid wedge]

Dead Souls Necro plus abhorrer tyrant with puppet master would be scary af

[worthy steppe]

Soulless angel is a vibe

[clever loom]

Hey yall, heard there is a Maleghast server that is pretty active, yall have a link i could join the server with?

[thorn sky]

a dead angel, nothing more than a marionette now

[primal nest]

Gimme just a sec

[worthy steppe]

Swampyy is doing an awesome job of drawing Heresy unit standees, though they only have a couple so far.

[primal nest]

https://discord.gg/agrWyCFF

[clever loom]

Than k u!

[versed basin]

Yeah, those Heresy units are great, pfft.

[ruby spire]

i feel like the lack of vitality generation would impair a Holy Body

[versed birch]

is there a way for me to get a preset roll20 map/whatever for maleghast? im new to running roll20 so any help is appriciated

[primal nest]

theres a couple of premade maps that folks have made

[worthy steppe]

Important question. Rotton's Pustulate states that it targets a free space. Is that a space with no unit in it, a space with no terrain in it, or what?

[proper plover]

It's a space with no Units or Walls.

[fickle birch]

@thorn sky as someone who's just gotten into the game and loves GG's what act, soul and trait upgrades do you like taking on your necro?

I also like to go ooga booga

[thorn sky]

i've only played 3 games total with a 66% winrate, my guy

only one of those games was gg

but also

nervetwitch

[primal nest]

What are you interested in doing with them

[thorn sky]

frenzychain

and hellrider

[fickle birch]

I'm open to all play styles but I usually play against my friends who play dead souls and abhorrors

I've seen that people like to go 3 carnifex

Well 3 scion in general seems to be the move in this discord

[thorn sky]

WARHEAD SWEEP

ALWAYS TAKE 4 TOTAL

2 unit cost

[fickle birch]

You might be cooking

I like painwheel though and will probably use them as well fond memories from dark souls 1 and all that

[thorn sky]

yeah

my painwheel's name is shadowghost because of synonyms to dark souls

[fickle birch]

I think I'll name my painwheel Paul

Dude seems like a Paul

Steven perhaps

[thorn sky]

My warheads are named Kick, Back, Speed, and Freak

[worthy steppe]

When you use a soul ability on a turn that isn't your necromancer's turn, is the ability targetted from the unit whose turn it is or from the necromancer as they're the one with the ability?

[versed basin]

As long as you're careful with the range, GG's Carnifex's Wild Slashes seemed pretty good for AoE shenanigans.

Slam into the front lines or cut by them and land a Berserk AoE on top of that, dish some good damage to multiple targets with anything but SUPER armor.

[worthy steppe]

When Recycle is cast do you target a unit or is it on the unit whose turn it is cast on?

Because it doesn't have a range on it and just says "the unit"

[versed basin]

SOULs usually come from the necromancer themselves, and the Turn End and wording focuses on the currently-ending unit rather than "A" unit.

[undone atlas]

Just noticed today that Gargamax is the only "house" that has no tyrant unit

[primal flame]

Yeah

This is by design, each house is missing one unit

[undone atlas]

I think that's a really cool design choice! I wonder if it speaks to the lore of each house too, like how the Abhorrers have no thralls.

[primal flame]

Potentially

Garg being anarchist trash wizards it makes sense that they dont have a unit called a “tyrant” lol

But it also speaks to how they’re a weaker house in terms of like, head on fighting and rely a lot on plague to do most of their damage output

[undone atlas]

Trash wizards can't even summon a guy who is large. Pathetic.

They're my favorite faction, I love Garg

[primal flame]

They’re very funny and I would like to play them at some point

Rn im all just igorri

[thorn sky]

Don’t mess with gargamoxx, they can give you crab constellation

[pseudo flicker]

Gargamaxxing

[undone atlas]

Igorri is my second pick, love their aesthetic but their mechanics are a bit more complex then I'm ready for before getting more play experience

[primal flame]

From my personal experience, igorri gameplay is complex but also somewhat simple. In that your ultimate goal is to like

Pick one or two dudes in your roster and buff the absolute shit out of them

[undone atlas]

Need to find some good brush for the halftone stippling style of artwork used in the books. I wanna draw my own necromancer tokens

[primal flame]

The complex part is actually getting there and maintaining a steady stream of buffs to keep the pressure on your enemy while also keeping your enemy in check (units like strigoi and necro abilities like mutagen injector are good for this)

[primal nest]

Join us…

[crisp night]

i really really need to get back into maleghast i haven't played it in like two months because of college and general laziness

carcass taking over, controlling me...

[storm pine]

Ladies, gentlemen, folks, y'all, weirdos, sickos, bad dudes,

Last night we Ghasted

[thorn sky]

Killers and renegades, Liars and thieves

[primal nest]

straight ghassin

[storm pine]

1v1v1v1

[thorn sky]

It’s ghasting time

[primal nest]

das a lol of fuckin terrain

[storm pine]

She she uh she ghast? On my uh she ghast on my mal until I uhhh she necromance on my she Necromance on my ghast until I magnagothica

[primal nest]

INCORRECT BUZZER

[storm pine]

Yeah DS and Mox were board edge neighbors

[thorn sky]

She magnagothica on my maleghast till I necromancy

[storm pine]

We went IN on the terrain

[thorn sky]

INCORRECT BUZZER

[primal nest]

oh ms218, i have sumthin you might like

[storm pine]

I made a little fort to kidnap Carcass nerds into, he built S H I T R I V E R

Hell yeah, thanks Salty

Is the correct answer "the correct amount of terrain" btw

[thorn sky]

The gargamoxx convention location for 300 years straight

[storm pine]

Here's setup, pre half the board being terrain lol

[primal nest]

i've been workin on custom tokens for faction terrain gen. they are still wip but they should do nicely

[storm pine]

YOOOOOOO these are so sick!

[thorn sky]

Some literally

[storm pine]

Going to use my fancy teacher color printer and laminate em

[storm pine]

Ayyyy

[primal nest]

hell yeah

[storm pine]

She doom on my GREAT URGAL BLADE til I curse

[primal nest]

she be pustulating on my rotblade till i vomitous spew

[thorn sky]

incorrect buzzer

…

[storm pine]

Something about Malebolge and low hanging fruit

[thorn sky]

she nerve twitch on my devil bullet till I frenzy chain

[storm pine]

She shamble on my pseudopod til I purge guts

[ruby spire]

she devil bullet in my inside out 'til i STG

[feral hearth]

read this and then checked the channel and was like "oh, this isnt weird"

"carry on"

[ruby spire]

LMAO

[storm pine]

Oh wait looking at the pic the Mox were actually across the board from me lol

They made a shitty little pilgrimage to the center of the board

By my fort

[ruby spire]

shitty little pilgrimage
love the idea of a bunch of mox marching together, farting the whole way

and by love, i mean detest

[primal nest]

it is the Mox ideal

[ruby spire]

"WE HAVE TO GET TO THE DEATH GRIPS CONCERT BEFORE!!"
"[scum noises]"

[thorn sky]

Me and the boys trudging through the sewers

[storm pine]

I absolutely fucking love that every other faction is just taking this battle SO seriously

Abhorrers are on a mission from GOD

Deadsouls have never once smiled

And Gargamox

[thorn sky]

Carcass has a job to do

[storm pine]

Don't even know they're in a fight

[thorn sky]

Garg and Gore are just having fun

[storm pine]

They just happen to be partying in the immediate vicinity

And have terrible hygiene

[primal nest]

Mox has only 1 thought in their mind

[storm pine]

Leave their trash all over

[primal nest]

and thats fecal funny

[ruby spire]

spread da good word of da devil boof

[primal nest]

the last smoke of kings

[ruby spire]

juggalo mox

[storm pine]

Lmao YES

[primal nest]

god

[thorn sky]

Igorri make fucked up critters and noone likes being around them.

[storm pine]

The Filth Devil (The Great Milenko)

[primal nest]

not fuckin faygo drinkin Gargamox

[storm pine]

That's what that neon green is

Just Faygo

[thorn sky]

HOLY FUCK IDEAS FOR HERESY GARG MEZOGOGUE UNITS

FUCKING

[ruby spire]

i'm so close to pulling the trigger on ||gamzee makara|| gargamox

[thorn sky]

GOO SPINOSAURUS

[ruby spire]

i am holding this gun up to salt

[primal nest]

gamzee would be a plaguelord

[thorn sky]

no

No honks

[ruby spire]

tell me the name of god you salty piece of shit

[primal nest]

can you feel your heart burning?

[thorn sky]

Can you feel the struggle within?

[primal nest]

the salt within me is beyond anything your hyperfixations can make

[thorn sky]

Wanna bet?

[ruby spire]

I'M NOT FUCKING SCARSD OF YOU

[thorn sky]

the revolver chambers it’s round, fear flowing from the trigger

[storm pine]

How the hell do I log a 4 player brawl in the game tracker?

Game was a Mox win btw

[thorn sky]

Fucking

Plague sweep

[primal nest]

Das a good point

Someone get Theja

[storm pine]

Exorcist died first, Operator second, I COULD have fallen back to my fort turn 6 and drawn but I'm not a fucking COWARD so my DPriest DIED SCREAMING and swinging his

GREAT

URGAL

BLADE

Got Vile Ruptured

Or whatever the "take x damage, x being hazards in range" move

There were uuuuuuh one gorillion hazards

Unholy Vape

[thorn sky]

The holy order fell, with war soon following. The final stand of the body fell to the ever encroaching face of the second horseman

Why can I do this?

[primal nest]

This is what happens when you legalize weed in anzenmezzeron

[thorn sky]

implying anzenmezzeron has any rules

Think about it

In a place where death is an inconvenience at worst, why wouldn’t drugs be ok? Why wouldn’t anything be ok?

[storm pine]

I imagine that in Anz weed is like

A child's drug

This is for babies, infants

Gotta get you some of that GOREGRINDER DEATHMETH

[thorn sky]

We also supply devilcoke

[storm pine]

HUFF the ROTFUMES of the GODCORPSE

OH yeah Carcass are very coke-coded

Actually came up at the table last night

All that neon pink, 80s action movie vibe

[thorn sky]

Each faction has a drug as well as a playlist

[storm pine]

My playlist for them is all like outrun and aggressive synth and Andrew W K

[thorn sky]

Gg has meth

[storm pine]

Yo exactly.

[thorn sky]

Carc has coke

[storm pine]

Exactly.

[thorn sky]

Deadsouls have lsd

[primal nest]

We have already answered this before

[storm pine]

Yeah I see it

[storm pine]

Saluting cowboy hat skull emoji

[thorn sky]

Abhorrors are the only sober ones, with their “drug” being holy wine

[storm pine]

I like Goregrinders doing speed

Literally Motörhead

Igorri is kind of tricky. Did they cultivate a mushroom in a lab that lets you interface with god or are crushing xan bars at all times on that doctor salary

[thorn sky]

I’d say shrooms

[storm pine]

Every single Exorcist smokes cigarettes

It's canon I don't make the rules

[thorn sky]

You don’t make something like homunculus sober

[primal nest]

Igorri is 1 hundo percent on everything

[storm pine]

The nuns smoke long ones with a sick ass gold filter

[primal nest]

They makin blue

[storm pine]

Oh no

They're gonna die lol

OH Breaking Bad blue meth

Yes

I thought you meant blues

[manic osprey]

Igorri Heisenberg

[storm pine]

Like current year most dangerous shit there is

YO

Only house I had no idea where to start in terms of kitbashing a necro mini

I think that's it right there

[thorn sky]

Gargamoxx is just a melding of a few dozen drugs into one thing, and one hit either puts you on a direct line with god, or kills you instantly.

[versed basin]

Had me thinking of WH40k's obscura drug for a sec.

[glacial junco]

Just fit as much as you can. Was there a winner?

Whoever won label them as the winner and detail the factions in the description

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorn sky]

But what do the homebrew houses have for drugs?

[primal nest]

HOLY SHIT

it’s wester

[manic osprey]

It’s me

The holy shot himself

[thorn sky]

Ah yes. Gods bullet.

[primal nest]

The holy shit himself

[storm pine]

Word ty

[manic osprey]

Priest with a shotgun, Carc/Abhorrer heresy

[primal nest]

wheres that swampy art

[versed basin]

https://tenor.com/view/faith-mortis-father-garcia-gif-4045259902578083563

[manic osprey]

Correct

[worthy steppe]

Played my first game last night! Deadsoul (me) VS Igorri (opponent). Doom actually worked on the single unit I landed it on (their necromancer), as I stabbed him with it after he had already acted and therefore couldn’t get it cleared before the end of the round (it was on round four), and he got screamed to death by a Banshee along with the Doom (yes, I know the Chirurgeon has ward, but the Banshee had been consistently screaming at walls so was still doing damage through ward).

By the end of the game both me and my opponent were down to necromancer + two units

[manic osprey]

The Almighty has mercy. I don’t.

[worthy steppe]

Wouldn’t that be an Abhorrer/Carcass heresy instead? Abhorrer main, heresy into the Shotgun ACT upgrade?

[manic osprey]

Probably. I said it with no particular order in mind

[versed basin]

Carcass also probably learned from Abhorrers, since they have gun-kata and a Bone Tactics Bible.

[primal nest]

what would Chi do if given the unbriddled power of a m1 garand?

[thorn sky]

garand ping.sfx

[sand kernel]

I saw terrain

I saw WALL

And now I see gun priest

[manic osprey]

Donate the bullets into the enemy of the Almighty’s skulls, enjoy the choir of the garand ping

[versed basin]

I came, I wall'd, I round 6'd.

--Deadsouls

[sand kernel]

Is it possible to recreate the faith games in Maleghast

either with Deadsouls or Abhorrers

[thorn sky]

What is god to a methd up swarm of knockoff chainsaw men?

[manic osprey]

+1 Vitality

[thorn sky]

six days later, respawn.sfx played in a random catacomb

[manic osprey]

inb4 new canon Abhorrers respawn in 3 days instead of 6

[thorn sky]

Jesus does it again

[sand kernel]

God gave em the 50% discount

[thorn sky]

Talk about a [[H E A V E N]]ly [[Great prices!]]

[midnight brook]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/328/heaven-earth

Heaven <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
Heaven deals X damage to each creature with flying.

Earth
Sorcery
Aftermath (Cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile it.)
Earth deals X damage to each creature without flying.

No card found for “Great prices!”

[thorn sky]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

[sand kernel]

like a single buffed exorcist against a deadsouls priest with fuckin

[manic osprey]

Heaven

[versed basin]

Hah!

[sand kernel]

differently flavoured bound devils

also congrats! you found the mtg bot

[manic osprey]

Deadsouls Necro is Gary

[fleet violet]

Double brackets summon the MTG card fetcher

[sand kernel]

Amy is a Banshee

[manic osprey]

Chosen is Tiffany

[thorn sky]

I was letting spamton do their thing and now this happened

[sand kernel]

It's two Exorcists against half of Deadsouls

[primal nest]

no you fool the banshee is tiffany

https://fixupx.com/ChickenlyArt/status/1745612526245888004?s=20

someone hasnt been reading up on their mort lore

[tired bolt]

lmao

[sand kernel]

See this is why we gotta put our heads together and come up eith a ttrpg maleghast

also who's mort and where do I read

i need deadsouls art

[thorn sky]

mortis.sfx

[primal nest]

its this artist's deadsouls necro

check em out thet do good shit

[sand kernel]

I like his Fort

Fort Mort

[primal nest]

Ye Mort Fort

[primal nest]

hey man dont cry

you gonna need those for later

[versed basin]

[thorn sky]

Mortussy

[versed basin]

Again with that!

[storm pine]

Mass name btw

[primal nest]

hold on'

[dense crest]

That's a funny way to say Necrophilia with extra steps, Imsomniac
Go take a nap

[primal nest]

lemme get the fuckin post

[thorn sky]

It is 1:05 pm

[primal nest]

hey Derp has asked us not to do bits like that

[versed basin]

They have these things called afternoon naps. Should try one.

[dense crest]

TOO BAD, NAPS DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT TIME IT IS

[dense crest]

frick, sorry.

[thorn sky]

Then I won’t ask my phasmophilia question then

[dense crest]

We ask that in the fan discord instead -runs

[thorn sky]

And hypnos lays no claim to me

[dense crest]

Sleep spore it is

[thorn sky]

Mizu used sleep spore!
the opponents Jesterwyrms Insomnia negated the attack!

[dense crest]

A BONK TO THE HEAD IT SHALL BE

[thorn sky]

Jesterwyrm used protect!

[dense crest]

Jesterwyrm I know you slept less than 4 hours today

[thorn sky]

What can I say? The strings were pulled and they keep ringing.

[dense crest]

You can't blame fate about you losing sleep over an hyperfixation again

[thorn sky]

We’re sorry, [[VALUED CUSTOMER]], but our [[Developers of Spiderman]] cannot be [[Game Over]].

[midnight brook]

No card found for “VALUED CUSTOMER”

No card found for “Developers of Spiderman”

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/729/fr/amalgame-surchargé

Amalgame surchargé <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Créature : zombie et horreur
Flash
Vol
Exploitation (Quand cette créature arrive sur le champ de bataille, vous pouvez sacrifier une créature.)
Quand l'Amalgame surchargé exploite une créature, contrecarrez un sort ciblé, une capacité activée ciblée ou une capacité déclenchée ciblée.
3/3

[dense crest]

Now it's spamton core, help

[thorn sky]

Not just spamton [[Core Ideals]], but guess who’s fronting? That’s [[Right of way!]]! The number one rated salesman!

[midnight brook]

No card found for “Core Ideals”

No card found for “Right of way!”

[thorn sky]

SPAMT00:00N GET 00:00UT 00:00F THE FR00:00NT

[dense crest]

1 fear

[ruby spire]

Voidborne has turboacid rendered from the fat of a dying astral hulk. you will come to understand your place in the universe as a creature of impulses in the lap of undivine affection before you come down to the worse crash of your life. everything is less vivid, cast in shades of gray. you must see the colors again.

[dense crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBIQZSWMOz8 but this is exactly how I hear you atm

[thorn sky]

That is, in fact, his g00:00al. T00:00 s00:00und like that.

[dense crest]

Now which house would Spamton fit in more?
My K̷̏̀R̸̊͠Ȍ̵̃M̸̓͘È̸̇R̷̋͊ is on Igorri

[manic osprey]

Gargamox

[thorn sky]

THE ANSWER IS [[Rotting Corpse]]. GOTTA SHOW THEM ALL A [[Big Shot!]] SOMEHOW!

[midnight brook]

No card found for “Rotting Corpse”

No card found for “Big Shot!”

[dense crest]

Because he lives in a dumpster?

[dense crest]

.

That's genious

[thorn sky]

What can I say? When you know the man personally-lly-lly-lly, it’s easy.

[valid wedge]

If you want scryfall to stop spamming you, consider using {{}} instead.

[thorn sky]

THANK YOU {{Put you in a box, floating down the river}}!

[valid wedge]

Not again!

[thorn sky]

what have y00:00u d00:00ne

[languid lotus]

HOW ABOUT THE POWER OF [[Backslashes?]]

[thorn sky]

[[SEEK ABSOLUTION IN THE]] Perfect!

[willow gust]

started reading Dai Dark and man, the vibe reminds me a ton of Maleghast

[proven flame]

What does it stand for. 👁️👁️

Stupendous Turmeric Grounds

[thorn sky]

Stupid Transgender Gun

[versed basin]

Read the end of the effect and you'll see it.

[proven flame]

oh im dumb

[versed basin]

In fact, I think I see the "S" directly below the bold text.

[proven flame]

Stretchy Taffy Generator 🍬

[versed basin]

Tasty!

[real bane]

Set The Gourd (to rest for 45-60 minutes while you prepare the filling. Preheat the oven to 175°C. Finely chop tomatoes, b)

[gentle leaf]

Scary Testing Ground...

[real bane]

Scatter Trout Groups

[thorn sky]

Sexually Transmitted Godliness

[thick meteor]

What are people’s solutions for tokens in physical play? I’ve tried printing and cutting some out with regular paper, to not so great success

[versed basin]

Considering the singular colors for each house, you could use glass markers or color individual circles of paper for house tokens.

Put a die next to them to act as trackers of that token for a unit.

Generic tokens are trickier though.

[thick meteor]

Maybe I can design some custom unit cards that had a space for tokens where a die can sit

[versed basin]

Probably! I kind of have an idea of how to design the area.

You have left and right columns for positive and negative sides, and each row is Strength/Weak, Speed/Slow and Vitality/Vulnerability. Doesn't have to be shaped for square dice either.

Then you just place the dice on one of six spots as needed, and find appropriate house markers in other materials+dice or just colored dice you may have.

[valid wedge]

You could also print out the unit cards and keep track of everything on there.

[fickle birch]

If you're down with a bit of investment casino chips work well for me

Come in a bunch of colors

9 bucks on Amazon

You have to search for kids ones specifically since they're just blank and have no design

[glacial junco]

I use a lamenated sheet that was available in the resource tab and draw on it with weet erase

[thorn sky]

https://youtu.be/HJTmABoalEE POV you learned what was at the center of Anzenmezzeron

[hollow aspen]

Made a 10x10 map for 1v1 play. I tried to factor in Tyrant movement so that it would still be constrained but more feasible and less headache inducing. LMK if you try it what you think.

4 Towers

[storm pine]

What color y'all think Steeplewracks are

Calling it now, their accent pop of color is BROWN

[versed basin]

Brown or maybe a more regal dark blue.

[silent glade]

I would like dark blue personally

although brown might fit the owl aesthetic more

[muted hare]

Dark blue cus pretty

[thorn sky]

whatever happened to that alien faction?

[pale echo]

Don't remember that one

[thorn sky]

i think the vibe was more eldritch horror(my beloved), but idr

[pale echo]

Was it a homebrew?

[thorn sky]

of course

[pale echo]

Then the homebrew thread will know more about it, probably

[thorn sky]

great

i'll go check. disappears in rainbow smoke

[celest hare]

started maleghast the other day, very fun :),I've only messed around with carcass, goregrinder, and gargamox, have some questions for thought:

i feel like infect is a liiiittle strong? like you can just pop off 4 damage with rotten and plaguelord really fast with people who don't got magic armor, like especially carcass. maybe it'd make more sense if you can only start infect on an already plagued unit, and maybe even go further as to have it only be able to proc onto other plagued units as well?

Does Operator's LV4 Living Cannon have to be reloaded twice before it's used? Or does it start reloaded? It kinda seems like it's worded as such that you have to reload before you can use it the first time.

Are there situations where you can target a space on the ground and have it's splash still affect stuff? For instance with LV4 Living Cannon? In the splash section it mentions targeting spaces, but that specific weapon is a roll to hit, so just curious on that.

Can Glory Kill be bodyblocked? It doesn't say it has a target so I'm guessing it's intended to bypass a necromancer's ability to bodyblock but still worth asking I think

I think that's all I can think of for now, probably gonna try out deadsouls tmrw, thanks fellas

[primal nest]

Living cannon is only reloaded after firing , most abilities have to target chars unless otherwise stated. Attacks specifically have to target chars (for example pustulate targets a space), I think devil impact can be body blocked?

And finally as a gargamox player

We need it

[onyx ermine]

Ye devil damage can be body blocked

So devil impact should be too

[thick meteor]

I put this together real quick and gonna give it a test run this weekend. Got a whole letter sized sheet of these each sized so that I can just put a die on top of the relevant symbol. Will probably attach it to full unit cards later so I don't need to have both printed.

[undone atlas]

Finally finished the art for my Gargamox Necromancer! Actually really happy with how it turned out, this was my first time using this style.

[devout pulsar]

love the detail of the skeleton in the molotov

[undone atlas]

Right? I was thinking of what to equip a necromancer with and rat skeleton molotov sounded like such a cool idea

[onyx ermine]

Ratatov

[winged belfry]

howdy! Would this be the right place for rules questions?

Couple things I'm unclear on

[valid wedge]

Yes

[winged belfry]

sweet! Mainly I'm curious about how Heresy works. When it permits you to take abilities from other Houses, can those abilities only be given to the heretical units they come from? Or can a CARCASS thrall receive Igorri thrall upgrades?

(And, when I take a heretical unit, does it count as another of my three heresies to take another of that exact unit?)

[primal nest]

upgrades are tied to that specific unit, so no

[winged belfry]

Right, figures

[primal nest]

the exception to this is necro upgrades

you can have ur plaguelord take furious roar for example

[silent sluice]

"abilities" refers to ACT abilities and SOUL abilities available to Necromancers, not unit upgrades

[primal nest]

also nope!

[winged belfry]

Niiice! Alright, sweet! Danke

[primal nest]

np

[primal nest]

https://fixupx.com/SaltyGoodness_/status/1746240573596373461?s=20

@umbral cipher she's here

[nova mason]

vibe

i love her

eventually i need to get art of maley valk and ndem

idk what faction id put valk in cuz their core colors are blue but idk how well theyd slot into dead souls

ndem is a no brainer dead souler though

ive even done a basic photo edit for her using toms art lol

its not perfect but i think its fun at least

[onyx ermine]

Fun fact: the Deadsouls art is a muscle mommy

[thorn sky]

[nova mason]

i mean im aware

its why ultimately this edit doesnt work super well for ndem but i wanted to test conceptually the idea of her having a ghost rider skull head for the maley version of her hologram head

but yeah im super into dead souls

[onyx ermine]

Good man

[nova mason]

but im worried shoving both my blorbos into that faction is being lazy lol

[ruby spire]

this shit fucking rules

your art's so evocative man

love myca

[primal nest]

Thanks

Still gettin back into the swing of things

[winged belfry]

Heyy, when something is pulled at range by something diagonal to it, in what direction is it pulled?

[primal nest]

You pick between the two closest spaces

[winged belfry]

Ahh, makes sense!

Also, do special battlefield spaces stack? (Can a space be elevated, adverse terrain, and have a hazard?)

[primal nest]

Yes

[winged belfry]

Sweet

[umbral parcel]

Man I keep looking away for a few days and then I come back to cool stuff.

[winged belfry]

When you swap two units (like with the Chirurgeon's Flesh Jump) and just one of them is a 2x2, how do you orient them both afterward?

[primal nest]

As long as one of the spaces of the 2x2 unit is in the previous space of the 1x1 unit then it should be fine

And the 1x1 unit can be in any of the previous spaces of the 2x2 one

[winged belfry]

Gotcha! And do you then also have to steer yourself around units & walls?

[primal nest]

Ye it has to be in a valid space

[winged belfry]

hey! last question
If I'm just getting started with a friend, Duel / Murder, should I just be using a blank map, or are there samples I outta choose from?

[versed basin]

You could do one of the sample maps in the book, specifically one on an 8x8.

[primal nest]

we got some maps in the map drive

[thick meteor]

Any advice for running a 3 person game? Doing one tmr but worried someone is gonna get teamed up on

[silent sluice]

I'm not sure what you can do to mitigate it but from what I've heard from other people, it tends to be a bit rough for whoever ends up in the "middle" deployment.

[valid wedge]

What if.... Whoever kills the first necromancer gets them on their team. All their units are obliterated (no soul gain) and they can cast soul abilities from the necromancer that killed them. (like the rule variant for 2v2)

[thick meteor]

Wouldn’t that encourage you to target somebody? And despite the target winning with their killer, the target might just sabotage the team they’re on just cause they got killed by them

Maybe if the first dead necromancer joins the team opposite their killer…

[versed basin]

That sounds much more balanced than snowballing the loser. Probably let the other player burn what's left of their SOUL doing as they please (if nothing is restricted) before having to ask the living partner for more SOUL.

Could even give them a barely-functional turn as a 'unit' to give them fair oppportunities to cast/attack with SOUL via the living necromancer, but no MOVEs/ACTs, ofc.

[valid wedge]

In the variant rules, they still gain soul at the start of a round. It doesn't say anything about sharing soul iirc

[versed basin]

That's true, I was just considering this more on par with a 1v1 than a 2v2.

[celest hare]

well i was specifically asking about glory kill because glory kill specifies obliterate an adjacent unit at <=1 hp, so if you body block that would the bodyblocking unit be obliterated regardless of hp? would it be rendered useless because you're technically no longer targeting something with <=1 hp?

like if you were to target a necromancer at 1 hp and they tried to bodyblock

[primal nest]

oh i could have sworn you said devil impact

my b

[celest hare]

lmao all good homie

[primal nest]

i think you could body block it, although im not 100% sure

[undone atlas]

Art I just finished of my friend @opal prawn 's Abhorror necromancer. The Hebrew word on the sword is בֹהוּ (bohu) which means void and on the vestments is נְשִׁיָּה (neshiyyah) which means oblivion.

[versed basin]

Niiiice. Every time I see these OC necros, I realize I still want to find a main I like, whether homebrew or base house.

Gotta keep killin' to find the one with the right flavor of putting the dead back into the ground.

[opal prawn]

I wanted to go for serious hermetic/gnostic heretic vibes for my Abhorrer

[dapper yarrow]

anyone know where I could go to find people to play against

I've been trying to convince my friends but so far its just been maybe laters

[pale echo]

If you ping the Maleghast role here, you might find takers. There's also a server that gets linked from here sometimes

[dapper yarrow]

sweet

[versed basin]

I'm thinkin' of having a go, actually!

Got more houses to (fully) test before I find everywhere I can hit my stride.

[dapper yarrow]

sounds good

so how do you usually do it?

owlbear?

[versed basin]

I've got Tabletop Sim on Steam.

[dapper yarrow]

ah shit hold on

I don't have it but I could buy it rn

[versed basin]

Haven't tried an online VTT myself for Magna yet.

Either you grab that, or I can do Roll20 or sign up for Owlbear, hah.

[dapper yarrow]

Installing as we speak

[versed basin]

One of us will be learning from the other either way.

[dapper yarrow]

I've been meaning to grab tabletop sim for awhile anyway

[versed basin]

Sweet.

Perfect. There's a workshop for the board too, though it feels a touch cramped and intentionally doesn't have the base houses' Necro upgrades.

I've got an object for all of those though!

Dunno if my Steam name is sufficent to add me (Valkyrion Super), or you can find my room in the Join > multiplayer list with the room name "FE from hell".

[dapper yarrow]

ok I sent an invite

[versed basin]

Added!

[dapper yarrow]

what's the password?

[versed basin]

Check your DMs.

[dapper yarrow]

👌

[honest flower]

Ok just checking the wording on soul harvest, the “you only get this the first time a unit is slain in combat” means you get one soul, once from the first thing that dies? Or is it to say that if a unit dies and then is brought back by something like resurrection or miracle that you only get the soul from that unit dying once but each unit can provide 1 soul when it dies?

[primal flame]

The first time a unit dies it gives you 1 SOUL. Any and all subsequent deaths afterwards don’t generate anymore SOUL

so a miracled unit will die and give 1 SOUL. If it resurrects from miracle and dies after again no more SOUL.

[honest flower]

So if a second unit dies does it generate soul or no?

[primal flame]

It will, but again only the first time it dies

So if that second unit has miracle too then any subsequent deaths after the first generate no soul

[honest flower]

Ah ok I’ve been running soul gen wrong then lol

Will correct that for my game today, meant to be teaching another friend to play

[undone atlas]

Made Isocon maps of the six Haunts special scenario maps from the book. These are encoded screenshots so you can save them to the maps folder to open them in the software.

[primal nest]

Nice

[worthy steppe]

Putting the dead back in the ground is pretty clearly Abhorrers

[tired salmon]

ah man what all bits is this guy made of

[thick meteor]

Can chirurgeon sample genome themselves onto themselves?

[quick briar]

Sample Genome says 'grant them to another unit'

[primal nest]

I would say no, since it doesn’t have a self clause

However other folks rule otherwise

[honest flower]

If a unit dies to doom, can you then use Eternal curse to transfer their doom token over and have it immediately proc the devil damage again on another unit?

[primal nest]

doom obiliterates units it slays, which means they wouldn’t trigger any "when slain" effects

[honest flower]

I wasn't sure what you meant for a sec then so i double checked the wording on obliterate, did you mean that it Wouldn't trigger when slain effects?

[primal nest]

Yeah sry I’m eternally cursed by typos

[honest flower]

no probs lol, was a better job looking than i was doing

[thick meteor]

As igorri, my necromancer got doomed by the dead souls necromancer. Then used accelerate evolution to give it back to them. Is that allowed? Both being able to move the doom token, and also deadsouls being able to be doomed

[pseudo flicker]

dont see why not

[primal nest]

accelerate evolution is any token

[quick briar]

Seems perfectly legal to me

Also, that's hilarious

[sand kernel]

thats one hell of a revese

[real bane]

Tree Line

Your quest has taken you far from Anzenmezzeron. If the constant tug of death towards hell wasn't annoying enough, then every single settlement being hostile doesn't help. The view is nice from up here in the mountains though.

This far from Anzenmezzeron's broken death, necromancy is all keeping you going. At the end of every round in which a necromancer didn't ACT to maintain their team, they and all their units gain 1 vulnerable (Round 4+) 2 vulnerable.

"ence that's not a good gameplay modifier" Well, then, I,

[valid wedge]

If it were "Spend a MOVE" a la Reload, I think it would work better.

[real bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1051993326385111182.gif

[silent glade]

I like how your using Loop Hero to visualize

Decievers pixel art is really good

[primal nest]

i didnt want to hurt you but

[storm pine]

Main body is Blackstone Fortress Ur-Ghul, and everything else (head, horn, and arm blades) is from the Kingdom Death Dragon armor kit

The horn is the dagger and the blades are the blades of the katar

Head is the helm filed down and de-necked

[narrow furnace]

I have no idea about the mechanics, but this is very cool and thematic

[primal nest]

Gaming

[crisp night]

gaming...

[primal nest]

How we all doing