MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[glacial junco]

@short estuary

[primal flame]

“Its so hard being me…”
-Chirurgeon w/ +2 STR, VIT, SPD, and like +4 mutations

[stoic gate]

-Chirurgeon who sample genome’d the homunculus into giving himself 8 Vit, 3 Str, 2 Spd

[glacial junco]

Having a scorpion tail on my chirurgeon would look pretty sick actually

Like mechanical lookin

With fleshybits underneath

[stoic gate]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-1994-the-animated-series-the-scorpion-mac-gargan-gif-15910243805769628284

this u?

[glacial junco]

There was some other game where the guy had a scorpion tail coming off him I'm trying to remember what it was

[crisp night]

have a question about operator. their trait says they get strength when they reload; does that only apply to them sacrificing movement to reload, or would it also apply to ammo goblin

[umbral cipher]

Any Reload they get I believe

[crisp night]

oh good god

operator is terrifying

[umbral cipher]

operators are Built

They're prolly the most outright offensive necromancer

And get Phys armour to boot

[crisp night]

if you heresy gargamox and carcass is it a sloperator

[umbral cipher]

I am simply not going to consider that word

[pseudo flicker]

gargass

[spice stag]

<@&1169764878454620231> Duel?

[crisp night]

carcamox

[pseudo flicker]

wrong

its gargass

[crisp night]

depends on which necromancer you use

[pseudo flicker]

its always gargass

question is, how much slime will be on the field with it.

thats it

[crisp night]

or rats

[coarse turtle]

assamox

[primal flame]

Gargass

[crisp night]

i don’t know what carcass stands for but in my mind the last two words are Skeleton Squadron

or something similar

Carapace Armored something something something Skeleton Squadron

[coarse turtle]

Carapace Armored Recon, Combat, and Assault Skeleton Squadron

[stoic gate]

Cool Ass Cats About to (W)reck Some Stupidos

[junior elbow]

Vizigeist my beloved

[lyric fog]

"Mastery of necromantic and gun arts provides unmatched client solutions for the hazards of the modern necropolis."

It just occurred that the C.A.R.C.A.S.S. flavor text about how their skeletons grow and fuse over time can be read in two subtly different ways.

[pseudo flicker]

As in?

[zinc solstice]

Milk (liquified bones)

[lyric fog]

"Their skeletons" could mean either the skeletons of their own bodies or "the skeletons that they happen to own."
Normally this would be fairly unambiguous but in the case of necromancers it could go either way.

[primal nest]

Added more maps to the drive

Also renamed a few

[zinc solstice]

I mean, half their units are literally exoskeletons

[pseudo flicker]

Does it really matter in a city of billion corpses lmao

[zinc solstice]

It gives off some specific, horrific (compliment) vibes

[pseudo flicker]

Like "oh they steal skeletons to grow armor" is not that bad whwn half the population are already mindless zombies

[candid monolith]

I will insist all of my undead are my own bodies

Because it is funny

[zinc solstice]

I'm picturing them forcefully enlarging and reshaping some poor sod from inside out to build an EGIS like trimming a bonzai

[inner finch]

For CARCASS would milk be a combat enhancer?

[zinc solstice]

Mandatory suplement to every gunwight, refusal to take will br met with being processed into it for your bigger units

[real bane]

STOP PLAYING CARCASS

• Skeletons were not meant to be given guns
• YEARS of fantasy, yet no REAL-WORLD use found for modern mil-spec aesthetics

...it is past midnight, and I ran out of steam on this joke partway through

[pale echo]

I think you're cooking

[zinc solstice]

You wanted to give ranged options to your skeletons? That's called THROWING RIBS!

[real bane]

"Yes please have my bony boys throw flashbangs." "Please construct a bone mech." - Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[glacial junco]

Gif was annoyingly fast despite its preview

[elfin ermine]

"Yes I'd like to Sacrifice a MOVE action"

Wanted to OBLITERATE target units anyway? We had a Tool for that: Devil Damage

(These are REAL lists, built by REAL Carcass players)
picture of 10 gunwights

[pseudo flicker]

Speak for yourself, i personally make rosters of skeleton archers

[zinc solstice]

LOOK at what Kancerkarionii have been demanding your respect for all this time, with all the calcium and colagen we produced for them

Yes i would like to TRANSFORM TO GUN please

Ok, i'm satisfied

[torn hare]

<@&1169764878454620231> I finally have some time to try this game out for the first time tonight, anyone available in about two hours?

[spice stag]

yeah im down

[torn hare]

Cool! I have to put a toddler to bed so who knows when exactly I'll be ready but I figure 2hrs is a decent window. Roll20?

[spice stag]

SOunds good and yeah I have roll20.

[junior blaze]

You can play the game on roll20?

Woah

[spice stag]

are you gonna DM or do you want me to? I have dueling map setup and all the pieces ready for you to set

[spice stag]

thats where most people play it

[junior blaze]

Oh fair fair, I've been playing on tts

[spice stag]

yeah tts is like the second most used vtt for it

but roll20 is free so most people just use that

[junior blaze]

Oh nice nice, how does it go on roll20? Is it easy to get up and going and stuff?

[spice stag]

yeah its pretty easy

[junior elbow]

Roll20 is also significantly less processor intensive

[junior blaze]

True I could probably run roll20 on my 3ds

[spice stag]

maleghast is a pretty simple game so all the features Roll20 has works perfect

the hardest part is learning how characters work so you an set them up

[junior blaze]

Fair fair

[torn hare]

Why don't you, if that's okay, until I get a feel for it

[spice stag]

sure thing. whenever your ready just DM me your black mass and your bonus trait, action, and soul ability

[pseudo flicker]

Its hella janky but free

[junior elbow]

The hardest part of setting it up for me was importing all the character tokens

[junior blaze]

I do like free stuff

[pseudo flicker]

You already paid for tts xd

[junior blaze]

Says who

Wasn't my money that's for sure

[pseudo flicker]

Shhh

[junior elbow]

Liking free things doesn't exclude one from partaking in non free things

[spice stag]

true

[junior blaze]

My non free things other people pay for

[pseudo flicker]

Theres also this btw
#1164643959721693184 message

[junior elbow]

Tts is also in the sort of uncanny valley of usability for me where it's a lot better to use than roll20 but it's Barely Off with like, the physics and tokens and ctrl z that makes it deeply more frustrating to me

[pseudo flicker]

Never press ctrl z

[torn hare]

Will do. What's protocol for voice chat? Or do folks generally not

[pseudo flicker]

Just dont

[junior elbow]

I know this but I press before I realize

[pseudo flicker]

Yea that happens

[spiral gale]

what if you weaponise ctrl z against your opponent

[junior blaze]

What's control z do

[pseudo flicker]

Tries to rollback the gamestate to a few seconds back

[junior elbow]

The keybind is for undo on just about every computer and every program

[pseudo flicker]

But it needs to reload the entire map

[junior blaze]

Ohh so it's just an undo that screws the board

[pseudo flicker]

So a lot of stuff just shits izself

[junior blaze]

I like it

[junior elbow]

But because tts is a physics simulation it can't reverse the steps that've just happened and restores a previous autosave

[pseudo flicker]

Not autosave

I have no idea what it restores actually

You can rollback roughly every 10 seconds or so

[junior elbow]

Well my game crashed and then I could reload it from an autosave a few seconds before so I assumed

[pseudo flicker]

It tracks some specific actions

[spice stag]

We can vc in this server if you want

[pseudo flicker]

It barely works in that part so i dont look there

[torn hare]

👍

[pseudo flicker]

But regarding tokens, i consider them a feature xd

[torn hare]

I'm a chump, I pay for roll20 😦

[pseudo flicker]

I like my little fiddlecoins and they add a bit of soul to the game

[junior blaze]

You can pay for roll20?

[torn hare]

Lol

Yup

[junior blaze]

I'm learning so much

[spice stag]

What do you get for it?

[torn hare]

I have too many maps and assets in the d&d campaign I run, I have to pay so I dont have to delete them

[pseudo flicker]

My dnd gm is really funny
He bought an illwinter mapmaker, but doesnt want to pay for roll20

[spice stag]

That makes sense

[torn hare]

It's cheap, I don't mind

[pseudo flicker]

Storage space, you need it as a dm

But also

Ughh

[torn hare]

I sure do wish paying for it made it not janky tho 🙄

[pseudo flicker]

Dynamic lighting?

[torn hare]

I can't even deal with it

[pseudo flicker]

Think thats it

[torn hare]

I just got really quick with the polygon-revealing

[pseudo flicker]

Oh yeah roll20 shits itself if you zoom in wrongly i cant imagine it working as advertised on a lighthing engine lmao

[junior elbow]

I would like them more if every token was a bucket and they were in a pile and there was No snapping

[spice stag]

Also for some reason it uses a shit ton of gpu lol

[pseudo flicker]

You can... You can just do that? xd

[junior elbow]

Several snap points is best but bucket universe is where I want to live cause them snapping on top only to tip over and fall is so disappointing

[pseudo flicker]

Like you can edit things as you want them to be

[junior elbow]

This takes time knowledge and effort

[pseudo flicker]

Snapping is in toggles but i think i dont have snspping for tokens by default anyway

Only for minis and terrain

[junior elbow]

Bucket.....

[pseudo flicker]

Whats a bucket....

[lyric fog]

dear God

[pseudo flicker]

But yeah rmb

You will see "toggles*

Go there

Find snapping and grid

That should fix it

[junior elbow]

Does it save to the game or do I have to re toggle the bags every time

[pseudo flicker]

The bags?

Sorry, i am struggling to understand what you are referring to rn
What do you want to achieve?

[junior elbow]

I may've skipped some steps in my mind

[pseudo flicker]

I apologize for being sleepy

Could you step by step explain whats your problem?

[junior elbow]

The question I'm asking is do I have to make the tokens non snapping every time I create the board? If I launch Maleghast module then close it then launch again are the tokens gonna be snapping again cause that's the default?

[pseudo flicker]

Tokens arent snapping on my board by default

I made terrain and units snapping tho, if thats what you mean

That and corpses

But to answer your question, yes, if you make changes to tokens, say, switch them to snap to no snap, close it, and open the board again by opening your subscriptions in workshop, you will load a new board.

To actually keep the changes, you want to load your edited board from savegames.

Alternatively you can save the edited parts separately by selecting them all and saving them as custom object

You then load a board from workshop and merely insert them

[junior elbow]

Ah that answers my question

Thanks

Yeah I can make the right token bags with non snapping and save them

[pseudo flicker]

Yep!

Except i still have no idea what tokens you are referring to xd

Since none of them snap

[junior elbow]

Strength vitality doom etc

[pseudo flicker]

But they dont snap...

[junior elbow]

They snapped to the center on top of units, same as units and terrain snapping to the board

[pseudo flicker]

Guhh

What

Ill check on it tommorow

That shouldnt happen

[junior elbow]

This could be old info

[pseudo flicker]

actually

[junior elbow]

Are you the one making the mod

[pseudo flicker]

Which tabletop mod are using

[junior elbow]

One of the ones linked in this chat

I'm not at my computer rn so I can't check

[pseudo flicker]

This one?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3072216046

If not, i apologize for confusion, i sorta just go with assumption that if people play in tts, its on my table, because according to stats thats just the case

[stoic gate]

you do have the best table rule

*eule

[pseudo flicker]

Thankies ^w^

[soft egret]

Oh, about the message I sent you yesterday, the last time I played, the Chosen standee was called the "Cultist" and the false priest Standee only had 2HP. Not sure if you've fixed it since

[pseudo flicker]

Didnt fix the chosen, fixed the antipriest. Oops

[tulip crane]

Strange request, but does anyone here record or stream their matches? I'm a game designer, so besides wanting to play the game myself, watching people play it would help seeing what it has to offer and learning what it does well (and what it doesn't).

I found a match on Youtube but the players immediately get some rules wrong.

[primal flame]

Given people seem to ping a lot for matches, you might be able to get away with spectating their games if you ask

[patent steeple]

trying to make the most RANDOM (ie lots of effect die rolls) igorri build

thinking about not running a homocolus and running double stick instead

thoughts?

[torn hare]

quick question: does Igorri Recycle target any unit at any range?

[soft egret]

The unit that just ended their turn specifically, but otherwise yes

[wispy hare]

hii, does anyone wanna play maleghast on tabletop sim with me :D

made this map but then my friend had to bail

[patent steeple]

we got a role for it if u wanna tag folks

[wispy hare]

sure!

whats the role :o

[strong vector]

just wrapped an Owlbear Rodeo match with a friend. I definitely put way too many walls down (used to building Lancer maps, so I was thinking about cover cover cover). Goregrinder's painwheels chewed through my entire line, but Carcass whittled their Warlord down to 0, then, again, to 0.

Still finessing the tokens and SOUL clocks but happy with the setup.

[pale echo]

<@&1169764878454620231>

[coarse turtle]

make sure to put the results of games in the pinned google sheet so we can keep track of matchups! ^^

[lyric fog]

@wispy hare I'm just making some tea, but if no one else wants in I'm game when it's done

[wispy hare]

nice!

[wispy hare]

nobody's taken up on it yet so when ur ready u can lmk :D

[lyric fog]

what faction are you running?

[wispy hare]

im wanting to play igorri for the first time

[lyric fog]

oh dope

[wispy hare]

i was thinking of doing just a regular duel and one side has a statue that gives u a vitality token if u roll +3 next to it or smth

i just started playing, ive played 3 times so far

and just learned how most of the rules work lol

[lyric fog]

Cool cool

[wispy hare]

nice :D should we call?

or should we type in pms

[coarse turtle]

can you hit a Tyrant in an adjacent square with a 2-4 ranged attack? cuz like one of their occupied spaces is technically 2 range away..

time sensitive ask my opponent is set that it does work but i feel like it doesn't? but idk

[wispy hare]

i think it does personally

i assume effect range works like movement range

when i play at least

[coarse turtle]

okay!

[spice stag]

are you saying can a tryrant attack someone adjacent to it with an attac kthat has 2 range?

[lyric fog]

I'm good calling or using one of the voice chats.

[wispy hare]

cause melee isn’t diagonal and those work as like 1 distance away functionally right?

[pale echo]

Melee works diagonally
You just can't move diagonally

[spice stag]

yeah

[wispy hare]

cool! i’ll go in activity 2

[coarse turtle]

no can he be attacked with a ranged attack even though you're adjacent to him

[wispy hare]

ooo wait rly? i been playing wrong then

[coarse turtle]

yeah Range is diagonal!

[lyric fog]

Yeah, you can attack diagonally, you just can't move diagonally

[spice stag]

damn im not sure actually

I assumed you couldnt but i dont know

[pale echo]

You have line of site to the square occupied by the unit, two spaces away from you. units don't block line of sight, generally

[coarse turtle]

so in a sense you can make ranged attacks at melee range aganst tyrants?

interesting!

[pale echo]

That's my read on it, at least

[glacial junco]

I'd say you can, its a bit funky but i mean it lines up with the logic

[patent steeple]

is there a place in the maleghast TTS mod that allows you to see all the necro upgrades?

[lyric fog]

Loller's suggestion, which I've made, has been to make a note card item and put the upgrades on the card.

Thanks again @wispy hare !

[wispy hare]

i got cleaned up 😭

and then punched into a hazard after doing enough to burn thru my vitality and kill me at 4hp

gg @lyric fog :D

[lyric fog]

gg!

[wispy hare]

the card was a good idea

[lyric fog]

Cursed Sixgun pulled its weight this game.

[lyric fog]

& you didn't get cleaned up. You were putting a lot of pressure on the Operator, just maybe focusing a bit too tightly on him over the rest of the Mass.

[coarse turtle]

igorri carcass is a tough matchup!!

[junior elbow]

What isn't a tough matchup against Carcass

[crisp night]

deadsouls

wall go thunk

[lyric fog]

Also this is the second game where my Necro has killed the enemy Tyrant with a "reduced to 1HP" effect.

Which is fun!

[serene sundial]

I fucking hate double tap with a burning passion lol it has fucked me up so many god damned times

[junior blaze]

It does look quite funny

[pseudo flicker]

Good idea!

[violet ridge]

I have some questions about translation of this rule book. anyone know how can I get in touch with TOM?

[junior blaze]

I'm thinking of trying
Clutch reload
Double barrel shotgun
And frag bullet next time I play carcass

Just have to think abt the actual people going in

[pseudo flicker]

is this something i am too abhorrer to understand

[pseudo flicker]

Thats a very cool map btw :3

[junior blaze]

Very cool map!

also silly question, do line attacks from tyrants cover both tiles or do you just pick one

[pale echo]

Just pick one

[junior blaze]

awesome

[sacred pivot]

How do people actually play Deadsouls? My three times playing them have felt like struggles where I need to just gun for a cheeky assassination win because I end up down on unit count. I dig their aesthetics, but their gameplay has felt really rough

[pseudo flicker]

they and igorri are harder factions to get into

[sacred pivot]

I went from Deadsouls to Igorri and Igorri clicked really well with me, felt great and have won once and tied in the two times* I played them

[pseudo flicker]

I would actually place igorri above deadsouls in terms of difficulty

[sacred pivot]

There's a lot to juggle, but Vitality + Mutate go brrrr

[pseudo flicker]

The problem is that igorri give you opportunities to waste turns doing mostly nothing, but also punish hard if you do that xd

But if it works, it works

Anyways the Silent Tomb is up on the map drive

[junior blaze]

yeah i layed igorri once and they went crazy

just the amount of corpses i could absorb for effects

[open vessel]

Igorri can be complicated but the gameplan is pretty straightforward

Get corpses --> eat corpses to buff up your damage dealers --> go crazy

Just stack as many tokens on lycans and homonculus as you can

[rich scarab]

Don't forget to eat stiches with the homonculus

that's a big tech I missed out on

[real bane]

but the soul...

the corpses...

[rich scarab]

The corpses are for buffs, which you get from the eating of the stiches

[open vessel]

If you're not playing Malice you can upgrade homonculus to avoid obliterating the stitches

[junior blaze]

i had a lycan that got like, atleast 1 of each token turn 1

and then just ran across the map

[real bane]

Yum yum, (checks notes) 1 strength

[pseudo flicker]

i had that too
they got run over by painwheels and then got hit by the enemy necro

[junior blaze]

pain

[pseudo flicker]

it was a blood grinder

[rich scarab]

Did the ability change? The version I have says all tokens

Which would include all the tokens a stich can get

[pseudo flicker]

so lycan respawns

but i have to build the tokens up again

thats the problem mostly

[rich scarab]

I use my friends copy so havent got the update yet

[open vessel]

I had a Homonculus with 8 different tokens on them, then the enemy Gargamaxxer used unholy vapors to make it take 9 damage

:')

[real bane]

It's a thrall, you have like one chance to roll well on Unstable Mutation before it dies anyway

[rich scarab]

Flew too close to the sun

[real bane]

and that's a 50/50 to just be left with one strength

[open vessel]

my fault for not focusing their hosts

[pseudo flicker]

igorri have to spend turns of the unit to build up tokens, while most other factions generate them passively or have specialized token printers

cut abhorrer antipriests

[open vessel]

too pure for this world

[pseudo flicker]

abhorrers are especially notable because their token gen is almost exclusively aoe

[rich scarab]

but they can build tokens faster and better, like generally a unit will generate 1 token and do a thing. But a Igorrii wil generate multiple tokens on one turn not doing anything else

[pseudo flicker]

correct, but from action economy perspective that often puts igorri at a disadvantage

[rich scarab]

Don't eat them when you roll bad for their token gen

The point is that a 1 health stitch with a bunch of tokens isnt as useful as those tokens are on a homonculus

[open vessel]

Am I the only one who is a bit pissed off that the Homonculus isn't named Homunculus?

the most extreme nitpick but it rubs me the wrong way

[pseudo flicker]

i stand for gay monsters

[open vessel]

Amongulus

[real bane]

Fair. Guess I've just got to play Igorri more to really tell how common "a bunch of tokens" is on stitches.

[pseudo flicker]

i googled homunculus and the first image that shows up is hillarious

[real bane]

an iconic figure

meant to scale each organ proportional to its sensitivity to touch

iirc

[pseudo flicker]

yep

[open vessel]

Manmade horros beyond comprehension

[pseudo flicker]

i despise you

[rich scarab]

To not comprehend something is to never know its true horror

And sadly I comprehend this horror

[open vessel]

fair

[junior blaze]

its beautiful

i've made a hopefully fun carcass list yay

[wet sinew]

<@&1169764878454620231> Duel Anyone?

[tulip crane]

How long do matches usually take?
(general question, not just for DogBone)

[pseudo flicker]

Depends on how well people know the rules

My matches are usually under an hour

So very fast for a wargame

[devout pulsar]

roughly an hour a little over maybe

fast for skirmish for sure

grid does a lot for speed

[pseudo flicker]

Yeah you are not measuring line of sights and distances

[tulip crane]

That matches my expectations. I wouldn't call it a simple game, but it's not very complex for its genre. The limits on number of units, rounds, and board size also work quite well for that end.

[devout pulsar]

yeah limiting rounds does a lot

[spiral gale]

decided to mix up my first igorri list.

[devout pulsar]

CC

[next basin]

I've got a question about the Blood Rage tag, does damage reduced to 0 still count as damage for the purposes of killing the unit or nah?

[devout pulsar]

stands for Criminal Criminal

[devout pulsar]

i believe it does not

[next basin]

poggers

[devout pulsar]

simple effects and low numbers

[tulip crane]

Indeed.

[spiral gale]

[devout pulsar]

are you running a one of each list there?

[spiral gale]

yup. just to try out the faction

only one I havent played so im pretty hyped

[devout pulsar]

i like that a one of each list is never the worst idea for a faction

[spiral gale]

yeah pretty great design choice

[devout pulsar]

like it's not optimal but you're not walking up hill both ways ya know

[pseudo flicker]

I think its actually fair to call it simple for a skirmish wargame

I cant think of a one thats easier tbh

[devout pulsar]

fae's probably right yeah

mechanically and list wise

[pseudo flicker]

Killteam i would put into medium complexity, infinity into high

[devout pulsar]

Guildball is high for sure

[pseudo flicker]

Frostgrave high-ish i guess i didnt read the rules

Killteam drifts slightly to high when you are getting into it because gw decided to speak in pictograms to represent distances and i have no fucking why

God bless if pictures made sense

But no, a square, figure with 4 points, is actually 3" irc

Triangle, a figure with 3, is 2"

Like why

[next basin]

anyone have any tips for a first time goregrinders player? I really like the faction but I want to do the house proud (even if it is my first match ever)

[pseudo flicker]

Wait i am wrong
Triangle (3 points) is 1 inch, circle is 2", square is 3", pentagon is 5"

why

[pseudo flicker]

Whats the mass (roster) you plan on cooking?

[junior blaze]

yeah the heiroglyphs are so

spooky

[next basin]

Warhead (2)
Painwheel (1)
Berserker (1)
Carnifex (1)
Warlord with Nerve Twitch, Apoplexy and Overclock

the idea is to have 1 set of warheads in a death korp parade formation (being my meatshields) while we go in a kill shit before they can stop us

I think my opponent is going to be running Gargamox if that helps

[pseudo flicker]

@grizzled mirage

Get your ass over here and help

You are my goregrinder guy

[glacial junco]

I think you made a good choice with 1 painwheel against Garg, they are stupid good but i've dreaded running into more than 1 hazard a turn with spinouts

Make sure you use pulverized and WildSlashes against rotten since both deal firedamage in some form

They are the 1 armored unit and the strongest DPR on their team

[next basin]

interesting, something to make note of then

[glacial junco]

Againdt everything else, just note that they will prolly infect your units easily and you WILL lose warheads way quicker than against some enemies, use Charge to make them focus on them (since they phase through enemies when charging,) that way your thralls are disruptive as they die and if you space em far enough they can't be bounced

Untested theory but thats what I think is a good idea.

Infecting with Vermicide or necrocide i cant remember the name

The gargs strongest attack tool i've seen

[next basin]

oh... Yeah that's... Oh dear

time to socially distance my units

[glacial junco]

Just prioritize disrupting them more than worrying about the bounce, with as small as the board is it'll be tough to avoid

[next basin]

fair

[glacial junco]

But you could try at least for the oppening turns

[next basin]

it is also my opponant's first game

so they may not even take it

[glacial junco]

Oh

[next basin]

yes it is two newbies having a spite duel

[grizzled mirage]

Hey, Eules goregrinder buddy here:
Theja just gave you most of the relevant stuff.

As much as it feels off, try reacting for the first turn. If they are new, you should not expect to get punished harshly for this. Just space units apart if they bring Rotten, pustulate can be very hurtful.
You can build up some tokens with Rev up, Build rage, apoplexy and spin out. You warheads will sadly crumble really quickly to garg.

Scum and Rotten come with physical armor, just remind yourself of that before charging your warheads trough them. Either come at them with strengh, or choose different targets.

Scum only have 1 HP, this makes them very vulnerable to fire damage (berserker and painwheel)

Rotten deal a surprising amount of damage, if they have plague tokens, don't count on a unit surviving a hit from them, and since they deal damage twice in one hit, they can go trough your blood rage, so watch out for that

[tulip crane]

Fascinating. I'm new to tabletop wargames, but have some experience with video games with comparable mechanics.
Do other people here know of any simpler wargame?

[next basin]

In light of this I might trade my warheads for some more quality units

(carnifex or pain ghoul)

what would you say to that course of action?

I figure the less things there are to infect the less they'll infect

ah well, time's up

guess we'll see how I do

[glacial junco]

Pain ghouls are never bad

[grizzled mirage]

Ghouls are goo

[glacial junco]

Pull 3 is very good if nothing else but since this is ya'lls first game I figure you'll be fine

Good luck!

[pseudo flicker]

[terse depot]

Deadsouls are rough. With no upgrades you really have to spam those walls- but it' s not unworkable, especially with two banshee

If at any point you can kidnap their necro you do that and plant your cursed sword and or grand morgul blade in their spine

[glacial junco]

Be sure to throw the match details into the sheet if you don't mind!

I still havent played with deadsouls at the same board

[terse depot]

...getting doomed then immediately bladed as t4 rolls over to 5 is the funniest thing in the world. Highly recommended

[glacial junco]

I'm frankly getting very scared of them just due to their mystery

[glacial junco]

Hey Abhorrer players whats the Holy Nuke?

[devout pulsar]

you the player

[terse depot]

It's uh...activation 1 Antipriest, activation 2 grand oath, activation 3 Holy body indignation

This gently, lovingly, turns your board to ash

[sacred pivot]

I've never actually gotten doom to ever proc while playing Deadsouls. For the effect die methods I've only rolled successfully with a sacrifice once and it was immediately killed by the carnifex it afflicted and the other time it just got cleared by a PainGhoul - and those are the two times I've managed to apply doom

[spiral gale]

I was close to getting doom but ab have a soul ability which lets them treat the round as round 1. so yeah… doom moment. much bigger fan of isolation tactics

[terse depot]

So some Deadsouls notes:

Wow you have no real doom without malice aside from Dark Priest

Don't try to land Dooms until like t3-t4. Functionally it is something you do to off a unit with Priest

Cyclopean Monolith is the dark god you honour by listening to Sub Rosa on repeat, use it literally every chance you get

Your real faction mechanic is having a million walls and screaming people to death through them

Bound Tyrant is your only real source of burst

Sacrifices are a trap

Great Urgal Blade just annihilates anything instantly at late game, good for hail marys

Surprise Kidnappings work well

Also you have a lot of ward. It leaves you very hard to burn

[sacred pivot]

Hmm, Twisted Sinews (I think it's called) felt solid when I had used it, but is Cyclopean Monolith just better outside of the niche cases?

[terse depot]

Twisted Sinews is good! It's really useful and worth taking I find

I just get a lot of use out of more walls. No more than that

[sacred pivot]

I'll have to try walling more and playing with Banshees

[terse depot]

Weak tokens really will save your bacon

[sacred pivot]

I feel like they'd be really solid against non strength stackers. Against strength I def felt like I'd just get chipped through anyway by grazes

[terse depot]

Yeah. Your best bet against CARCASS is to advance through cover, negate formation, and when you get the chance, pull the operator into The Pit

Good matchup for you otherwise though

[sacred pivot]

Can you throw down multiple of the same soul ability on the start of round trigger? (And if yes, can you wait to see the results of another?)

I played against Carcass twice and did not see how it was a good matchup at all. Strength on grazes and high dice rolls just tore me apart both times

[terse depot]

The only trick is walling them out. If you can't...well. You have no armor and poor health

[sacred pivot]

I'm not saying I got high rolled, formation puts in work

[pseudo flicker]

As tannistena explained

Its a heavily telegraphed move that deals 6 damage across the board, ignoring los

There 2 variations, one of them is just getting it out as fadt as possible, the other is stacking for several rounds to do it multiple times in a row

[sacred pivot]

Thank you for the notes btw, I'll keep at it and see if I can get Deadsouls to click! I really want to vibe with them 💪

[terse depot]

Bullets hurt, and if they get the shot, you die. Your frail little goth bones will not withstand phys damage

[sacred pivot]

My frail goth bonessss

[pseudo flicker]

I do round 1 nuke, then run up with strengthened penitents and throw piss at its targets. This kills any 4 health unit if they dont have magic armor, round 1

[sacred pivot]

I mean Carcass does have the best chance of hitting those shots

[pseudo flicker]

Vitality also helps survive it

[terse depot]

Yeah. Have to use walls to deny them the chance to fire at all

[pseudo flicker]

"slow" nuke however is a wincondition

[sacred pivot]

But in the MU I should actually pay attention to sightlines more I'd imagine to deny them free reloads

[pseudo flicker]

A single unit dealing 12 damage to your entire army in 2 rounds is just a loss

[sacred pivot]

True if possible

[terse depot]

Yeah. I know it's very uh...best case.

The dual aoe trick is actually less scary for you?

[next basin]

wow, I was way more worried than I should've been

[pseudo flicker]

If abhorrers take witness its also just an overkill

[next basin]

It was a slight stomping (I lived on 3hp)

[pseudo flicker]

Since 4+ each round it will deal 9 damage

[broken dock]

stfu jo

[next basin]

glory to the goregrinders baby!!

[sacred pivot]

It feels hard to spot, but I'm probably getting punished for not messing with their reload mechanic by placing walls to force them to move

[glacial junco]

wait, You mean 2 damage right?

Whats powering up the nukes individual damage?

[pseudo flicker]

Gargabros, its over

[pseudo flicker]

Strength from grand oath

[glacial junco]

So it brings that damage to 2 instead of 1 for each unit it hits

[pseudo flicker]

Holy body starts at 4 vit
Censer gives +1=5
Oath gives +1=6, then we convert 3 to strength

2 damage 3 times

On 3 different units

Total of 6

[glacial junco]

no no

I don't think thats how it work,

It says remove up to 3 vit to deal 1 to THAT MANY units in range, It doesnt say that Many Times to units in range

[pseudo flicker]

🤔

I treat it same as splash. One ability, multiple intances of damage

[glacial junco]

No no you pick a number of Units In Range of the attack equal to the vit tokens Removed*

[pseudo flicker]

Yeah but it still qualifies for strength, as you deal damage

[glacial junco]

It would only bring that damage up to 2 for each unit hit

[pseudo flicker]

Yeah, with strength, you deal 2 to each unit hit

[glacial junco]

Correct.

[pseudo flicker]

So up to 3 instances of 2 damage

[glacial junco]

Right but that doesn't kill peoples 4hp units

[pseudo flicker]

So health economy shifts 6 in your favour

Yes

Then you activate penitents

Run up

And jarate

You want them to be caught in grand oath

AND censer

So they have at least 1 strength

They then deal 2 damage to finish off damaged units as effect

[glacial junco]

Ok

I misunderstood I was under the assumption you meant the TYRANT did the 6 damage on its own

[pseudo flicker]

You can also run inquisitors and shoot damaged units instead

[glacial junco]

And I was like no fuckin way.

[pseudo flicker]

Well it did???

[glacial junco]

ok but not to one unit,

[pseudo flicker]

Summed up, i mean

Yea not to one

You can also go for a big nuke fast, but you need to lose units which is a challenge xd

Theres a 3 soul ability that allows ypu to select a unit and allow it to treat a round as 4 or 1

If you take witness, it means that you can prock it early, but you only get 3 soul naturally on turn 4

I would suggest taking penitents and just suicide charging instead

They have a lot of aoe damage from excruciate

1 of them dies, you can fire on turn 3

2 od them die, round 2

Because you took witness, holy nuke will deal 3 damage to each target

Meaning that if they GRAZED, they just die

[glacial junco]

Sounds annoyingly solved.

Only recourse is to hope you have a token clearer

in range

[pseudo flicker]

I think it needs a nerf tbh

Like there is counterplay, its just very specific and the return is stupid good

Return of pulling it off*

Sure, its telegraphed, but say igorri in this time just print a bunch of tokens, not literally charge up a superweapon

I guess goregrinders have something similar with a Berserker but its easier to deal with

[tulip crane]

In general terms, as a gut feeling, which would you say are the most and least popular houses?

[short estuary]

Carcass seems to be very popular

I have only seen a handful of people, myself included, talk about playing Gargamox but I feel like most of the game screencaps I've seen have had carcass on one side

Not a lot of igorri but I feel like slightly more igorri than garg

[devout pulsar]

i don't hear a lot about deadsouls

[glacial junco]

I'd wager deadsouls yeah

[devout pulsar]

well i do but from the same folks

[short estuary]

I feel like I've seen a few deadsouls in games but this is vibes based

In game screenshots in here*

[devout pulsar]

Carcass are probably the most popular though

[pseudo flicker]

Carcass and goregrinders are the default factions people go with i feel like

[glacial junco]

Yup Gun Skeletons probably the overall fav

[pseudo flicker]

Then its gargamox, igorri and abhorrers

Deadsouls are def least popular

[devout pulsar]

generic ranged vs generic melee

[short estuary]

I think abhorrers are more popular than that but without real data hard to say authoritatively

[devout pulsar]

wait a second

game tracker

[short estuary]

There's only 4 games in there lol

[tulip crane]

I'm fine with just vibe-based answers for this instead of hard data. Let's not forget maybe someone loves an unpopular house and got a dozen games with it.

[short estuary]

And I'm pretty sure they're all Theja and me

[tulip crane]

Deadsouls Georg

[glacial junco]

There is 8 or 9 now

And we haven't added our backlog yet

[devout pulsar]

check again

[pseudo flicker]

2 are from me

[glacial junco]

oh like 17*

[pseudo flicker]

1 igorri, 1 abhorrers

[devout pulsar]

i will forget everything

[glacial junco]

5 Igorri matches

[short estuary]

Maybe it just isn't rendering right cuz on my phone it still only has 4

[glacial junco]

lmao 4 of the 5 were against carcass or goregrinders. As with all things this is a very very rough survey

@short estuary Ay we should play a game by post :V

I want to make you suffer in slowed time

[short estuary]

Bruh

We already play so slowly anyway

[glacial junco]

lmao

[short estuary]

Based on those data it seems like deadsouls and Garg are neck and neck (with 3 if I can count)

More igorri than I expected

[glacial junco]

Playtime 4 hours (Played by post)

[tulip crane]

Let me ask you maleghastlies (affectionate) something else, if you'll indulge me:
Is your favorite house aesthetics-wise the same as your favorite gameplay-wise? Which are they?

[short estuary]

I am a mox loyalist and I just like slime

I haven't tried all the houses but I like the horrors that go in a line and slime all over people, which might be all of them but garg slime and goregrinders painwheels both stand out to me

The concept of slowly whittling people down is cool if not slightly difficult to pull off since my perception has been maleghast heavily incentivizes dee pee arr and alpha strikes

[spiral gale]

My favourite aesthetic house is not the same as my favourite house to play. Goregrinders look the best to me especially with painwheel being an awesome souls reference but Deadsouls are the most fun to play.

[short estuary]

Infect is cracked (unless your enemy has ward in which case I cry)

[glacial junco]

Inside me are two Gremlins.
One wants to play Umbrella scientist/Be an Igor pulling big lever.

The other wants to rip tear kill and just keep goring and thrashing around.

[junior blaze]

my favoruite overall is carcass just cause bones and bullets

the two greatest things in existence

[short estuary]

I think you were thinking of slime and swamps but close

[junior blaze]

two wolves inside of you, one likes bones and bullets, the other likes slime and swamps

my enforcer is now named vangarre cause funny

https://tenor.com/view/xenoblade-definitive-edition-crashing-the-mobile-house-into-artillery-how-long-have-you-been-in-the-force-vangarre-gif-18972667

[short estuary]

Xenoblade reference good

[junior blaze]

hell yeah

love those games

[lyric fog]

Well, I haven't played a whole lot, but I'm enjoying mixing it up a lot.
I did like playing CARCASS and I am very happy with the name I thought up for my Necro ("Xi, Prince of Black Waters") and I'm gonna keep saying it until other people think I'm as funny as I do.

[coarse turtle]

my roommate runs a deadsouls mass that i can’t beat with anyone other than goregrinders and even then it’s close

she runs 3 chosen 2 banshees and just makes a shit ton of walls to control the board and then uses Abduct and the banshee’s Line attack to wear everyone down

[junior blaze]

evil

[clever latch]

I love the igorri

[sacred pivot]

Interesting~ I've been trying out the Vizigheists but they've been hit or miss. Do you find doom is something you have to worry about much at all fighting them?

[sacred pivot]

^

[coarse turtle]

from the 3 times i’ve played her doom has been used more for effects that trigger extra on DOOMed opponents iirc but there was one game where my operator got abducted and doomed it was pretty embarrassing

but it definitely isn’t the primary mechanic she plays around

[junior blaze]

i need to try some more carcass lists

[glacial junco]

Skull crack HURTS

[junior blaze]

my most recent was
(1) gunwight
(2)enforcer
(1) ammo gobby
(1) egis weapon

[ruby spire]

I do

• 2× Gunwight
• 1× Enforcer
• 1× EGIS
• 1× Ammo Gob

[spiral gale]

skull crack is actually mean. every time it hits I feel it

[lavish pond]

Sharing my igorri chirurgeon art, this game is SICK

[ruby spire]

i love gunwights they are my favorite

[junior blaze]

skull crack evil

[spiral gale]

that looks incredible

[junior blaze]

tbf gunwights ignoring armour is great

[sacred pivot]

Icic. Yeah, the kidnap necromancer Strat has seemed alright. Getting to a state of having no adjacent units to redirect to is a bit tough, but Twisting Sinews pulls seem good for setting up for those surprise kidnaps

[junior blaze]

thats amazing!!

[sacred pivot]

That looks awesome!

[coarse turtle]

so coool!!

[pseudo flicker]

I actually have an explanation for that

[terse depot]

Suprise! It's time for funeral doom

[pseudo flicker]

People filling out this form tend to be active community members and not casual players

[coarse turtle]

more likely to play the weird ones

[pseudo flicker]

Correcto

[coarse turtle]

i tried goregrinders last night for the first they're so fun. i just ran one of each unit to get a feel for all of them, and the team comp felt pretty nice TBH-- is there any obvious drawbacks or things a mass with one of each is missing out on?

[pseudo flicker]

Less specialized

[junior blaze]

yeah, if you someone dies you lose their function

[devout pulsar]

you also can't hammer in on abusing an option

also malice upgrades are more valuable with multiple copies of a unit

[lyric fog]

I feel like it also depends on matchup. My one Goregrinder game was against armor-heavy CARCASS and my warheads' main function was to flail around uselessly.

[coarse turtle]

wait do malice upgrades affect all units of the same type?

[lyric fog]

Like, "the other player avoided killing them because the Soul token would have more impact on the outcome"

[lyric fog]

Ya

[coarse turtle]

ohhh cool! for some reason i assumed that it was unit-by-unit

but that makes sense

ive only ever played at spite

[lyric fog]

Also that's sick as hell

[devout pulsar]

coats as capes fuck

[junior blaze]

so real

[tulip crane]

Adjacency (e.g. for isolation effects) count diagonals, right?

[lyric fog]

Yes.

[coarse turtle]

yup adjacency is everything in range 1

[tulip crane]

Thank you.

[lyric fog]

So I think I've seen this asked, but I'm not quite sure on what the conclusion was
If an Operator has, say, three ACTs with the reload tag, does using one mean they need to reload to use the others?
And does taking a reload action mean that any of them can be used?

[proven citrus]

Sad my friends the deadsouls got nerfed. It was nice playing top tiers in a game for once….

[soft egret]

Using any reload act spends your load, and then after your reload you can use any of them again (except for the LV4, but you can shoot with other weapons in between your 2 reloads)

[lyric fog]

Dope dope

Ty

[tulip crane]

Consider this situation: there are walls in a2 and b1, unit A is on a1, and unit B is on b2.
Are A and B adjacent?

[old stone]

yes

page 16 of the manual

[spice stag]

they would be adjacent but you couldn't target them through the walls no?

[spiral gale]

They are adjacent but I’d like to add there is no LOS which i’m pretty sure most abilities need unless it says otherwise like banshee. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.

[spice stag]

thats what I thought as well

[old stone]

oh, i misread
my bad

[devout pulsar]

melee doesn't require los right?

[spiral gale]

no no you are right. it is adjacent. me and Xoe are just adding extra context

[spice stag]

its still requires los it just doesn't have the negative roll pentaly against people in cover

[devout pulsar]

ty

[tulip crane]

Glad I asked. I wouldn't have considered them adjacent without LoS.

[terse depot]

What nerf did Deadsouls get?

[spice stag]

Deadsouls
Chosen can no longer move through walls
Chosen's Foul monuments grants range 3 to tombraiser instead of granting additional wall creation
Chosen's Kidnap is now a curse
Vizigheist's Soul Frost no longer has a chance to leave a wall
Banshee's Bale Scream is line 4
Banshee's Freeze Soul no longer has a chance to leave a wall
Bound Devil's Beckon Lamb gains mininum range of 2
Bound Devil's Limb from Limb now increases damage instead of applying it multiple times.
Dark Priest's Doomblade is now range 2 instead of 1-2
Dark Priest's Unholy Summoning is now a curse
Dark Priest's Frozen Hell no longer creates walls, has range 2, and deals damage to units standing in adverse terrain in range instead
Dark Priests' Bloody Flail is now range 2-2
Dark Priests' Lathean devil whip is now range 2-3
Dark Priests' Twist Sinews is now a curse

[terse depot]

Oh yeah, that. Not a huge deal all told- you just can't freeze the entire map

It is still like, the Strat

[spice stag]

<@&1169764878454620231> Duel?

[autumn crescent]

I'm down

[spice stag]

ayyy

alrighty give me like 5mins rq

[autumn crescent]

f'sho

[lyric fog]

One more reload question: can units reload if they're already reloaded?

[spiral gale]

that’s 100% more bullet

[spice stag]

Are you trying to stack reload so you can attack 2 rounds in a row?

[gray crystal]

I think they're asking if their operator can get the bonus for reloading

From like a goblin

[lyric fog]

Yeah, like the Operator or Goblin reload bonus.

[spiral gale]

well

[devout pulsar]

yes you can reload even if you don't need to

[spiral gale]

goblin gives strength in addition to a reload so I don’t think that effect is conditional to reloading.

[spiral gale]

wait really

Operator is insane 💀🦴

[coarse turtle]

yeah i think you can reload just for fun

so yeah free strength if you dont move

[glacial junco]

No you need to shoot your foot first

Like an FPS :p

[blissful walrus]

whast the difference between range 1-2 and range 2?

[coarse turtle]

no difference, if something has a single range number then minimum range 1 is implied

but if something is, say, range 2-4, then that means the minimum range is 2 so you cant use it on adjacent units

[blissful walrus]

is a unit in a diagonal tile at range 2?

[coarse turtle]

nope its still range 1!

[coarse turtle]

range works like this:

0 being self

[blissful walrus]

ohhhh

[lyric fog]

Heh, so the Range 6 really is a solid chunk of the board

[blissful walrus]

in what page is that explained?

[spice stag]

Just L shape the number of squares for the range

[coarse turtle]

here!

if you include diagonals, it ends up working like the diagram i drew.

[lyric fog]

Oh hey, one more question:
Can a Necro Body Block a line attack?

[devout pulsar]

no because it does not specifically target the necro

[coarse turtle]

"If your necromancer is the primary target of an ability [...]"

[lyric fog]

Oh damn
That... might have changed the outcome of my match with @wispy hare the other night

[coarse turtle]

splash and line work pretty much the same and the rules for body block specifically rule out splash being body blockable so i think it would follow it applies to line too

[austere ravine]

I mean they are different in that splash has a primary target.

I'd honestly say everything in the line is a primary target

Because those X squares are what is being targeted.

[coarse turtle]

im not sure about that... i think primary target would denote that theres specifically targeting going on, and by my understanding Line is just a long AoE box

[grizzled mirage]

I'm way too late, but:

YEAHHHHHHH BABYYYYYYY

[austere ravine]

I mean the primary is the important thing, the spaces of a splash are secondary targets

[grizzled mirage]

This would be correct IMO, as you don't target a unit, you target the space

[coarse turtle]

syntax matters, so the language of "all units are affected" rather than "all units are targeted" leads me to believe that body block wouldnt work? because like how could you even offload a line onto a different unit thatn your necromancer...

[lyric fog]

Yeah I thought of it as a targeted attack and shifted the damage off, but if it is like "long splash" then yeah I would've been eating some damage there

[coarse turtle]

i dont mean to argue or dogpile this is just how i would read the rules

[austere ravine]

I take the fact it says splash specifically rather than aoe abilities to mean that it's due to being a secondary target rather than it being an aoe ability

[coarse turtle]

i still disagree, because if you could body block a line you would have to move the whole hitbox, which could result in the line not originating from the acting unit

but i recognize i might not be able to change your mind about this, so if you disagree that's okay. i dont consider lines as having any primary targets, because the word target is never used when talking about them and they specify a direction and not a square or unit

[spice stag]

Thats how i and everyone ive played read it too

[austere ravine]

The Line is still where it is it's just the effects happen to the guy to the side of it who you pulled in the way

[pale echo]

I agree with this one. That's how it worked with a similar ability in Icon

[grizzled mirage]

Just dropping my thoughts here, please feel free to point out any flaws:
Any ability that specifically calls for a unit being targeted before it is resolved has a primary target. This Target is the focus of the interaction. See all normal single target attacks, they NEED a primary target.

Any ability that does not NEED a give target, does not have a primary target.
This would be stuff like LINE, SPLASH, Pain-wheels spin out, Warhead charges, etc. etc.

If you would declare I'll shot my (INSERT LINE ABILITY) at your (INSERT NECROMANCER) than it would work, but you don't you select a given space that will be effected, then the effect is applied to everyone in this line.
You never denote, I target X Y Z. Just like splash targets the space around a Target, and then effects units on those spaces instead of targeting these units directly.

[coarse turtle]

yes. that is how it works, by my understanding. SPLASHes do have a listed primary target, either (self) or (range), except the guys affected around the splash aren’t primary targets.

[grizzled mirage]

Correct! My words were poorly chosen, I meant the AOE part of splash

[coarse turtle]

so i guess theoretically if someone targeted your necro with a splash ability that caused damage to adjacent minions, you could Body Block to make one of the minions the primary target and have it deal damage to the necro lol

but if anything, the ACTing unit is equivalent to the “primary target” of a line and the line is equivalent to the splash area

[grizzled mirage]

You mean since the line originates from it?

[coarse turtle]

yeah. sort of an awkward way to phrase it and i don’t think it’s necessarily mechanically sound, but line and splash are grouped together in the book so it makes sense in my head to think of them as equivalent

i just don’t think lines have any primary target, like you said

[lapis willow]

if line only affected the first unit it hit i could see an argument for bodyblock, but that's not the case

[blissful walrus]

so a slow token basicaly overrides the Movement value to 1?

[small locust]

Besdides we see in an example that a line literally goes through enemies

[lapis willow]

what about Operator's Akimbo? If I target a Thrall and hit a 4+, can I choose to hit the enemy necro for 1 un-Body Blockable damage?

[grizzled mirage]

That is correct RAW

[coarse turtle]

damn really? i thought that that added additional primary targets, but that makes sense

[coarse turtle]

until the next time the unit decides to move, yep

[grizzled mirage]

Have more than one primary target defeats the point of a primary target imo
But I also had to read trough the block a few times to come to my conclusion

[lyric fog]

That one IDK
The line thing makes sense, but the Akimbo secondary is still targeting a unit with an ability.

(I took "primary target" to specifically refer to things like splash)

[lapis willow]

It is, but body block specifically says "primary target of an ability"

[grizzled mirage]

The problem with akibo is:
when you use it, you target a unit, this is the primary target.
On a 4+ 6+ you get extra targets, but it is still the SAME ability

This makes the new targets secondary

as they came after the first

[pseudo flicker]

irc stuff should specify if it doesnt require that

[lapis willow]

CARCASS strat continues to be "just roll high"

[coarse turtle]

devil bullet hehe

[pseudo flicker]

formation, elevation

you can casually enough get 3 dice to roll, and under special circumstances even 4

[grizzled mirage]

Watch me roll 4 1s
GG EZ

[coarse turtle]

hold on, im really not sure about this akimbo thing— if the secondary hits are unbodyblockable, would you be able to use it with devil bullet for free S.T.G.?? surely not, right?

[grizzled mirage]

gimme 2 sec have to look inot the wording of stg

[lapis willow]

Akimbo's 4+ and 6+ just apply 1 damage, no other effects

[pseudo flicker]

stg is on primary target irc

[grizzled mirage]

Ohhh that is VERY interesting, since it does not call for a PRIMARY target, just ANY target

[coarse turtle]

okay yeah so stg is just on the unit that got headshotted

[lapis willow]

Like ig you could STG the primary target but that would be a thrall in this case yeah

[coarse turtle]

i think

[pseudo flicker]

correct

[lapis willow]

definitely a hilarious power move tho

Obliterating a thrall right next to the necro

[coarse turtle]

okay yeah i forgot stg is it’s own attack and not a multiplier that adds to an ability

[grizzled mirage]

Ahh yeah that makes sense, since it triggers on the head-shot, which can only occurs on the primary target

[coarse turtle]

no i actually think that you can obliterate any unit after hitting a headshot, but that doesn’t interact with the seperate hits of the akimbo at all so stg is still fully bodyblockable

[grizzled mirage]

It shows that I don't like CARCASS that much 😄

[coarse turtle]

so for it to be a win condition you have to make sure the opponents necro is isolated

[pseudo flicker]

what?

[coarse turtle]

thanks baton and flashbang :)

[coarse turtle]

nonsense message im speaking in tongues

[grizzled mirage]

Insert image of an enforcer bashing a necros head in with more joy that any goregrinder dares to bring to the battle

[pseudo flicker]

This has a truly occult and esoteric counterplay

Its called

Walk

Most units if double moving can cover the entire or most of the map

[coarse turtle]

true true but that’s why you gotta play ur turns right and move the necro after she’s already gone that turn

i’ve hit the holy STG two seperate times with my 6 gunwight carcass mass :3 they’re called the bullet horde

it’s one of those things where if you get hit with it then you make sure it never happens again but it’s a fun combo to pull on someone who doesn’t expect it

my opponent was like why are u batoning me this is nothing and i was like hehe die

[shut scarab]

Ammo goblins emerge from the ossuarific vats ready to dispense bullets

[small locust]

Ah the bone goo

[grizzled mirage]

Woah those are cool! Where did you find the STLs for these?

Also what resin is that?

[shut scarab]

I made the STLs for these haha

[shut scarab]

Just Elegoo ABS like grey

I think it’s the 2.0 version tho

It looks weird because I’ve got them drying out in a low light room before I finish curing and removing supports

[grizzled mirage]

Are they for sale? They don't appear in your shop for me ^^''

[shut scarab]

No. I won’t be selling them or releasing them for free unless I get permission from Tom. They’re my sculpts but basically exact replicas of their drawing.

[blissful walrus]

how long a game lasts usually? for 2 and 4 players

[shut scarab]

So for now just personal use for me.

[grizzled mirage]

Very much valid 👍

[small locust]

Ive only done like 2 player games but they rarely last over an hour

But then i also do all the map stuff prior so we can just get right into it

[junior elbow]

Your first few games will take longer

[sly vine]

question: if you have two sources of armour (physical and super armour for instance) what happens if you take a hit

[small locust]

Defer to the better of the two

[junior elbow]

Only 1 armor can be used

[sly vine]

great, thought i'd read that but wanted to confirm

[junior elbow]

I think it's under the armor section

[coarse turtle]

i would say 1.5 hours at most

[coarse turtle]

ough they’re so fleshy

really really good work with these i’m so jealous!

i hope you get the means and permission to sell or release these someday i would love to use them!

[spice stag]

Round 6 Draw. I wasn't able to kill the Igorri necro by the end of round 6. Close match tho.

[grizzled mirage]

Ah I see your mistake, you didn't bring enough "Gun"
Try more "Gun" next time!

[spice stag]

lol

[soft egret]

Hit da bricks meme but for the Operator with Grenade Jump

You can just leave

• Isolated by Dead Souls
• Surrounded by Hazards
• Goregrinders if you're quick
  If it sucks, blow yourself up

[pseudo flicker]

Ill be updating some stuff on the table, anyone wants to playtest something homebrew afterwards?

[shut scarab]

Thanks 🙂

[next basin]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[grizzled mirage]

GOREGRINDERS FOREVERRRR

(I WILL keep this chain going if given the chance)

[pseudo flicker]

For example
You, @grizzled mirage 🫵

[next basin]

(same, no one can stop the line)

[grizzled mirage]

Currently working on something, if I'm quick maybe

[next basin]

YEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHH, PAINWHEEL 6 DAMAGE POG

[pseudo flicker]

If you are quick enough, we might even playtest your stuff lmao

[grizzled mirage]

BERSERKER 9 DAMAGE IN ONE TURN? COMING RIGHT UP! YAEHAEHEAHEAHHEA

[next basin]

HEHEWHOWHO RIP AND TEARRRRRR

[grizzled mirage]

HUEHUEHUE 6 DEVIL DAMAGE TO MY FACE

[next basin]

BOMB, I AM A BOMB AND THE BOMB IS ME

[silk storm]

Just went through the update1 pdf removing all fixed errors from the errata document

Unsure of what rule errata/clarifications have and havent been pushed to the update1 pdf, if you notice one has been fixed, please leave a comment or ping me 🙂

[glacial junco]

Thanks again for tracking ya'lls game with the excell sheet

[next basin]

oh right, I should probably do that

[glacial junco]

Its got funny messages like "Ammo goblin did the explode"

[junior blaze]

hehe

it did

it was great

[grizzled mirage]

SPLISH SPLUSH SPLASH EVERYWEHERE WUHUHUHUH

[pseudo flicker]

I didnt put in most of my games because i uhhh dont actually remember them

[glacial junco]

Thats ok i'm guilty of that too

[grizzled mirage]

How dare you...

WE HAD SOO MANY GAME!

[junior blaze]

i put in all the ones i played so far in

[pseudo flicker]

Go and put them in stinky

[glacial junco]

Also if ya'll want me to add any columns or stuff let me know

[grizzled mirage]

To quote you: "Grrrr", "Shut up"

[glacial junco]

Although i guess anyone could do that

[junior blaze]

maybe things for like, special map rules?

[storm pine]

I'm trying to print some of @primal nest 's maps, how would y'all go about that?

Aiming to make the squares as close to 30mm as possible

[primal nest]

WHOPINGEDMEAAAAAAAAAA

Ah

[next basin]

I'm waiting for the CARCASS game that says, Round 1 headshot with S.T.G, game ended

[primal nest]

God

Unfortunately probably not possible

Unless you heresy

[storm pine]

Aw man

[primal nest]

I mean for the carcass game

[glacial junco]

What If you shot all your units with your own units

[storm pine]

Oh, not me

Gotcha

[primal nest]

Yeah I dunno much about printing maps out since I just do vtt

[glacial junco]

10 gunwights just spawn turn to eachother and start blasting

[next basin]

All gunwights that get painwheeled to death

[primal nest]

Actually wait

3 packs of gunwrights

[sly vine]

do pushes go diagonal

[primal nest]

Bonedust enforcer

Egis

[glacial junco]

No you choose an orthagonal direction

[primal nest]

Blow em all up

Boom 6 soul

[storm pine]

How we swinging 9 dmg?

Inquiring minds here

[glacial junco]

It must attempt to be pulled closer to you but you get to pick which of the 2 directions

[pseudo flicker]

Technically should be, if you manage to lose 6 gunwights

In round 1

[glacial junco]

but all movement no matter forced or not must be orthagonal. Even push/pull

[pseudo flicker]

Without activating your necro

[primal nest]

Ye I figured it out eule lol

[grizzled mirage]

stack 4 strength on the berserker,
get to 1 hp
hit Rip and tear for 2+1 1+1 1+1 = 7
Berserk for splash 1+1 = 2
7+2 = 9

[storm pine]

Hooweeee

Big moves

[glacial junco]

T1 STG Def requires some cooperation of enemy team OR you getting lucky like that one chess gambit

[grizzled mirage]

So yeah THEORETICALLY you could whop a 8hp necro in one activation.
But there are much better ways to do that

[glacial junco]

Regardless you still need to roll a 6 too since you can't DB same turn

[pseudo flicker]

It should be possible against the holy nuke if your opponent is clueless

[primal nest]

And it have to not be body blocked

[azure aurora]

Hey so I think my first example was unclear and I've got misunderstood. I still can't wrap my head how Free Move interacts with Slow tokens on Chosen and Lycan. Here is a clearer example. I want to move and attack the painghoul. The Chosen has a Slow token, how does it interact with the granted free move as soon as I step out of wall adjacency ?

[pseudo flicker]

Turn 3 - 3 gunwights, then there are 3 units with strength left, likely at least one of them is penitent

any of them grazes a wight, you get a soul

[coarse turtle]

this is also assuming the opponent can’t just bodyblock stg

oh wait someone already said that

[pseudo flicker]

Correct

It is technically possible lmao

[coarse turtle]

if both teams were working together to try to get it to work it’s doable LOL

[lyric fog]

My read on Tom's response was that you start the move adjacent to the wall so the whole move is free move.

[pseudo flicker]

If it was a videogame, i would make it an achievement. Not killing an enemy necro, but just getting the stg to fire round 1

[coarse turtle]

i still don’t really understand freemove either

[azure aurora]

I think it was read as both arrows being separated moves while it was supposed to be one, so Tom's answer was correct but I wasn't really clear in the first place x)

also it's worded "While adjacent to a wall" so I guess you're supposed to lose it when you step out

[azure aurora]

My biggest gripe is that it says "movement cannot be reduced" (for free move) without this discord I would have assumed it only affected Slow tokens, since adverse and elevation doesn't reduce movement, it just costs extra

[shut scarab]

They stand surprisingly well on their own

[coarse turtle]

they're no longer fleshy!

[lapis willow]

great job on these, you captured their character so well

[coarse turtle]

theyre really cute

[shut scarab]

Now they’re bone-ified!

[torn hare]

Dad-tier punsmanship over here

[torn hare]

They got them dainty lil toesies

[shut scarab]

Indeed. I was worried they were going to be too dainty, but they’re really quite strong

[pure ether]

These look SO good, oh my god

[coarse turtle]

wow i didnt realize they are even in different poses, too! soo sick

are you going to make any other units?

[pure ether]

Right! Exposing those fangs

[shut scarab]

Yep! I drew my operator already who’s going to get sculpted. I’m also planning the others. But I’ve got to think more on them, I don’t want to copy Tom’s drawings for everything. Plus I think my gunwights and enforcers will be heavy on the carapace due to the backstory I have for my necromancer

[glacial junco]

Which printer model do you use btw? I'm looking to pick up a resin printer next (or a replacement i mean)

[shut scarab]

I use the Elegoo Saturn 2 and Mars 3. These came off the mars

[coarse turtle]

the google doc is fun now theres enough entries to sort of see patterns

this game is really matchup-dependent

carcass' win ratio is insane

[primal nest]

Carcass stronk

[junior blaze]

carcass fun

[coarse turtle]

goregrinders are doing really well to against everyone but carcass

[devout pulsar]

get boned

[primal nest]

They shoot you and you die

[coarse turtle]

i wonder how the matchups will change when everyone starts playing on higher malice levels

[junior blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-meme-skeleton-skeleton-meme-spooky-skeleton-skeleton-spooky-gif-1553545141097880595

[devout pulsar]

not enough data imo

[glacial junco]

I think carcass might also just have a larger presence tbh

[devout pulsar]

never enough data

[coarse turtle]

not enough data for real analysis but enough to say hehe fun

[coarse turtle]

fair

[glacial junco]

I don't want to start tacking on playernames or anything though so hard to tell*

[devout pulsar]

primate i need more data

feed me the numbers

[junior blaze]

we need more

[coarse turtle]

🫡

[shut scarab]

I would not be surprised if they had a larger presence. They're probably one of the most different and striking things about Maleghast compared to other games about undead fighting each other.

Also they're the first faction you see.

[junior blaze]

they also look the most simple on paper

[glacial junco]

I wish deploying against them wasn't the most stressful game of chess I have to do lmao

[nova mason]

https://tenor.com/view/trying-im-my-best-gif-18007286

[glacial junco]

>Quickly< doing mental math to avoid max damage mortar shots

[primal nest]

EYEAH

[glacial junco]

Quickly* More like 5 mintues of brain frying noises

[primal nest]

I god a pretty decent setup that works (in theory) but it also you in gunwight range

[devout pulsar]

depends on the map

[glacial junco]

I'll take a gunwright over a Egis blast if i can help it

[primal nest]

Also yeah

[glacial junco]

I've found the Carnifex and Warheads are my best opening tools to disrupt

[primal nest]

here is setup

[glacial junco]

I don't know if I like berzerkers yet only because I haven't taken em yet

[primal nest]

berserker seems real good

[junior blaze]

im still mixed on tyrants, they're pretty big

[sly vine]

was really buggin' me barrelforms didn't have Gun form tokens

[primal nest]

In one of our friend good games deadsouls locked a homunculus in baby jail with walls

[glacial junco]

"Left hand blue" lookin pose

Looks sick tho fr

[junior blaze]

love it

[primal nest]

Still lost unfortunately since they only landed a doom once and the chirurgeon immediately cleared it 😔

[sly vine]

also set it up in my roll20 game so you can toggle the token back and forth

transformationnn

[torn hare]

!? How, what sorcery is this

[spice stag]

i need to know as well

[primal nest]

ayo how do you do toggle stuff in roll20?

[sly vine]

rollable tables

you can add images for each side

i also use them for my round clocks

[glacial junco]

Did you know Chirurgeon can give your doom tokens back to your units at the end of their turn if they picked the first avalible trait?

[glacial junco]

[torn hare]

😮

[primal nest]

What the fuck

God

[primal flame]

On god?

[primal nest]

maybe…maybe DS could use a smidge of help

[glacial junco]

"I normally use this to progress my projects form, but in your case I'm afraid you are an evolutionary dead end"

[coarse turtle]

it’s cool how the houses are laid out from least-most complex

[open vessel]

lol

sample genome is a cool ability

[glacial junco]

Has someone already made a printable token sheet for Standees?

[storm pine]

YOOOOOOOO

[pseudo flicker]

this is so cool may i take it for the tabletop sim?

[sly vine]

Yep

I have one without a diamond base too

[shut scarab]

Doin some sketches for my warband before I get to sculpting

I've been going back and forth on whether I want my EGIS to be the Bone Carapace Toyota Technical or if thats just going to be a display piece for the warband

I think the sizing doesn't work out very well. 4 Squares is big, not sure it works out how I want it to though.

[storm pine]

I would pay $$$ for a reasonably accurate Banshee stl

Having the worst time trying to figure out a decent conversion for that one

[storm pine]

These look so sick

[soft egret]

If an effect or attack has splash does it include the primary target of that attack?

[pale echo]

No

[soft egret]

If the Lycan uses spare parts for Blood Gorger, do the effects from multiple dice stack, or do they pick the highest?

[pale echo]

Pick highest, Tom weighed in on it

[storm pine]

Julian, those sketches look very Guyver in the best possible way

[primal nest]

In the case of bloody slashes the splash does hit the original target

[shut scarab]

Yeah thats an interesting one to find a suitable conversion for... I'll keep my eye out for miniatures that have that vibe.

[shut scarab]

Thanks! I had the manga Abara out while thinking about them haha. I think theres a lot of similar aesthetic connective tissue there

[open vessel]

We ended up in a draw because I killed their inquisitor before it started dealing 4 damage a turn

But Igorri and Abhorrers proving once again to just be too tanky for this earth

[tulip crane]

Does the Slime's Surge ability replace its MOVE? Or does it allow it to MOVE again as an ACTion?

[lethal trench]

its in addition

saying its a Move just means it moves its speed and is normally affected by stuff that affects Moves

[tulip crane]

Delightful. Thank you.

[shut scarab]

My minis shelf is now overrun with ammo goblins

[junior blaze]

oo a gundam, and scary things

[elfin ermine]

oh wheres the doc? I can add some of my games

[junior blaze]

its in the pinned messages

[coarse turtle]

does anyone have any ideas for other fantasy/metal/horror tropes and aesthetics that i could use for a homebrew great house? the only thing i can think of is like Knight/royalty theme and iirc someone here is already working on one like that

[junior blaze]

circus troupe

i think that would be rather silly

[lapis willow]

ooh, circus troupe is fun. opera or other theater performers might be a cool thing to explore too

[shut scarab]

Circus Troupe would be pretty easy to find models for, too. Thats a common theme for a specific branch of Chaos worshippers in Warhammer

[junior blaze]

harlewquins wooo

forgot they were a thing

[shut scarab]

I was talking about the Carnival of Chaos actually.

THis comes from the Mordheim rulebook

[coarse turtle]

ohh so true! killer clown/puppet/jester theme

[shut scarab]

Very compelling undead Circus vibes

[coarse turtle]

the aesthetics of the houses are so goddamn cool

[junior blaze]

omg mordheim

i want to play that

[coarse turtle]

especially deadsouls

[lapis willow]

kabuki would be v sick in maleghast style

[junior blaze]

i didnt even know those things were a thing

they nice

is mordheim fun?

[shut scarab]

another theme could be lean into the old old Christian beliefs about the dead and saints. Specifically I think the idea of Reliquaries and saintly bodies being propped up and worshipped past their deaths. Holy oil being created by pouring olive oil over a saint's bones entombed in a reliquary.

Abhorers have a very catholic vibe to them. Someone could make a branch based on early christianity and their practices.