MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[spice stag]

You lock in your houses first then you can decided what bonus abilities to take fornthe specific match up

[rugged cloud]

Yeah

[short estuary]

In my experience in this game, dealing with your terrible matchup doesn't look like pulling out a win, it looks more like forcing a draw

[devout pulsar]

or do you go sorta general good stuff hoping you don't run into the bad matchups

[rugged cloud]

I feel like unit lists being fixed but dark power being modular works

[devout pulsar]

that i could get around maybe

[pseudo flicker]

I agree

[rugged cloud]

Because a lot of upgrades are made as sort of counterpicks

[spice stag]

Yeah

[devout pulsar]

idk i just like forcing people to make meta calls

[spice stag]

That's kinda bad imo

[devout pulsar]

i think it's interesting

[pseudo flicker]

But also to be frank

[rugged cloud]

Suffuse vs Dead Souls, Burning Chain vs Garg

[pseudo flicker]

No faction is equal

Let the unbalance be present

[devout pulsar]

knowing the environment you're playing in is a skill i value

[pseudo flicker]

Not like you are going to actually fix it

[rugged cloud]

I feel like counterpicking upgrades could be fun for meta knowledge

Love some deck building skill

[glacial junco]

I think counterpicking upgrades is fine

[spice stag]

Agreed

[devout pulsar]

this is of course all hypothetical

until someone runs tourneys none of this matters

[glacial junco]

Everyone lives in such off kitler timelines, I think it'd need to be a league instead

Report your wins and losses sort of point thing

[devout pulsar]

what is a tourney but a league on a shorter scale

[rugged cloud]

My proposed tournament is double elimination

Each round increasing in Malice

[devout pulsar]

a growing malice tourney is one i'd considered

[pseudo flicker]

Ultrahell finals

[rugged cloud]

Exactly

[glacial junco]

Just no heresy please

[spice stag]

Top 8 would be just full malice matches

Pretty fun

[glacial junco]

That throws way too much into the pot to think about

[pseudo flicker]

I want to host a homebrew tournament one day lmao

Ah well

[rugged cloud]

That would be very fucking funny

I would bring cryptik

My babies

My children

[glacial junco]

Somehow an infinite combo had been found

Or a game lockout

[short estuary]

Make broken homebrew, bring to tourney

Profit

[zinc solstice]

Now that i'm thinking it, Igorri could make SCARY support for a goregrinder strike team, bonus points in using mutations to repeat/clone berserk tokens.

Also important but minor: Warlord can ignite any unit or necro with MAG/SUPER without causing them damage.

[glacial junco]

Bring Carcass anyway

[rugged cloud]

I imagine they need playtesting and organized approval

[short estuary]

True

[rugged cloud]

Ok hear me out

Homebrew vs Normal tournament

[spice stag]

Lol

[rugged cloud]

Community source some quality homebrew, turns out Abhorrors win anyway

[short estuary]

Speed read the enemy homebrew before match

[pseudo flicker]

Trick
You are not allowed to play a faction you made

[rugged cloud]

Oooooo

I like that

Very good

[devout pulsar]

i'd like to have a normal tourney first

[short estuary]

Massive cartel operation

[rugged cloud]

Ofc

[glacial junco]

I want more data on the existing factions W/L ratios and vibes before I introduce homebrew to our table but that is just a Boring Me thing.

[pseudo flicker]

But we dont have that much fully fleshed out homebrews

I would say my wylderot and umbral reavers archive are the closest to actually finished

[rugged cloud]

Cryptik are done but need art and play testing
Expelled need… everything they are just a concept

[zinc solstice]

Everyone makes joke factions and wins by watching some hapless idiot having to suffer through what you made

[devout pulsar]

i definitely want more data

i love data

[rugged cloud]

Yeah

I would be down to Join such a tournament were it to ever occur

[short estuary]

I am not good enough at this game to represent the true potential of mox

[pseudo flicker]

I domt consider the faction finished without playtesting xd

[rugged cloud]

Very fair very fair

[pseudo flicker]

I currently have 5 games under wylderot tho
2 wins, 2 losses, one draw

[rugged cloud]

And Cryptik being a faction balanced around a downside makes them…. Weird

To look at in a white room

[pseudo flicker]

1 win against gorefrinders
1 win against carcass
1 loss against goregrinders
1 loss against carcass
1 draw against abhorrers

[primal nest]

If you have a leech you can convert all of that into strength tokens

Requires some planning tho

[rustic maple]

What Lancer mech would an EGIS Weapon be?

[primal nest]

What lancer mech is most chickem

[pseudo flicker]

Thinking of barbarossa or pegasus

[primal nest]

I would honestly say tort

[pseudo flicker]

I dont remember what tortuga does

[primal nest]

It has siege ram and guardian

[zinc solstice]

Given size context it could verily be a size-1 mech with house guard protecting a bunch of size-1/2s

[pseudo flicker]

I usually see egis be an artillery so was thinking of BIG GUN frames

[zinc solstice]

You know what

EGIS is a Barbarossa

[pseudo flicker]

[zinc solstice]

BIG BULK
BIG CANNON
BIG BOMBING

[coarse turtle]

i have learned that a chessboard is actually really nice for playing 1v1 irl

[rancid girder]

ye

[coarse turtle]

im working on some sort of character/black mass sheet with spaces for all the tokens to make running irl a little more streamlined and require less printing, i’ll post it here when im done but also was wondering if anyone else has made one

[glacial junco]

I haven't seen any, I think that would be a cool idea.

I think for IRL play my group i'm going to laminate the unit cards so we can use dry erase on them

[spice stag]

<@&1169764878454620231> quick duel?

[hexed horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-gif-21997305

[soft egret]

Can do that game I had to reschedule yesterday now if you're still looking?

[spice stag]

sure thing. whenever your ready just send me your BM

[coarse turtle]

it's pretty basic but i want to try using this sheet in person to track counters. if your black mass is more than 6 total units, you can print off another sheet

[storm pine]

So hyped on these. Incredible work.

Going to buy asap

Meanwhile, I've been converting some stuff

Got a Penitent going here

Working on some Rotten out of Putrid Blightking bits, and a smattering of necros out of all kinds of stuff

[shut scarab]

Fire.

Excited to see where it goes

[storm pine]

Thanks player

[glacial junco]

They look great! Thanks for your work again

Office job perks

[storm pine]

REALLY want to kitbash a couple of Painwheels, but chopping up GW skeletons to fit that pose sounds like a nightmare

[pure ether]

I'd buy a boxed Maleghast in a heartbeat, however I am deeply happy to see it become this sort of distributed print-and-play board game

It means everyone is getting an utterly unique copy of the game and I think that's beautiful and very zine-y

[soft egret]

Deadsouls v C.A.R.C.A.S.S, Deadsouls victory. Was worried the Operator was about to S.T.G. my Dark Priest at a moment towards the end, but she needed to reload. My strategy ignored Doom entirely, which I think was the right choice because Doom is very hard to take advantage of

[spice stag]

kidnap banshee scream came in clutch

[glacial junco]

Idk how to go about excell sheet things but I think this will work good enough

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BxEBm6RnXR06WYUrrQGrG75jplqrv2x3PabcOfx-Ue4/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to throw any game's yall remember into it I'll do the same over time

[devout pulsar]

very cool theja

good idea

[soft egret]

might want to do separate columns for each side, to allow for easier analysis

[glacial junco]

I'll see what i can do, work internet down lmao

[modest badger]

OMG, theres so much support in such a short time, my brother and I were just about to play today and i find out theres already a foundry module and tons of other stuff!

[small locust]

I know S.T.G is Straight to the Grave but my brain always reads it as "Send to God"

[night hedge]

it can also mean that tbh

[small locust]

The results are the same but the implications feel very different for some reason

[primal nest]

Send to God is the abhorrers heresy version

[small locust]

The beserkers get "You are going to Brasil"

[soft egret]

for the Plaguelord's Virulence ability, does the effect deal extra damage for detonating a single plague token, or let you detonate extra plague?

[short estuary]

Both

Depending on your effect roll

[soft egret]

like, if a unit has 1 plague, and I roll a 6 on the effect, do I deal 3 damage, or just 1?

[short estuary]

Just 1

If it has additional plague on it you could do 3 instances of 1

Although I'm pretty sure you can order it such that you instantly detonate the plague you put on it as part of the ability

Unfortunately detonate is not a defined game term but that's how I've been interpreting it

[coarse turtle]

yay!!! glad to see they’re of use :) i think in the next version of them i definitely want to add a space for Malice Level , i totally forgot that 😅

and the space for abilities is a little tight, but if you have the pdf pulled up as reference alongside the sheets they should work great just as a place to keep track of which guys you have and what tokens are on them.

[glacial junco]

Yup! Thats what I figured I'd use em for

[soft egret]

If I Melt a tyrant, does that make a hazard in every space of the tyrant?

[glacial junco]

Me and Splat have been playing that you get to pick which of the 4 spaces gets the hazard until told otherwise.

Since A hazard sounds like it would imply just 1 space

[short estuary]

Yeah that's how we've been interpreting it generally for hazard generation under tyrant feet

It makes them way more powerful if they do all four and wording isn't clear

[coarse turtle]

i would think you just choose one square, seeing as that’s how difficult terrain/elevation works for tyrants

can S.T.G. target necromancers? i have a carcass mass with 6 gunwights to grind SOUL and Devil Bullet to activate STG but i want to make sure that that would actually work as a win condition

[pale echo]

Yes

[primal nest]

Terrain rules for 2x2 units are strange

We been just running it like icon where they just don’t care about elevation

[small locust]

ive been running it like a normal thing, like if 1 square of the tyrant is on elevation he gets the bonus, but only gets it once

[primal nest]

some clarification would be nice

[pseudo flicker]

it is a wincon, but can be bodyblocked

[coarse turtle]

ohhhh true i forgot about bodyblock

[soft egret]

if a painwheel would die when moving into a unit's space using Spin Out, does it still deal damage to that unit?

[patent steeple]

just finished a rematch of my friend and i's mox vs abhorrers match

super fun

i love abhorrers

i love antipriest

i love holy body

[glacial junco]

Its weird but i'd say yes because on a similar note You choose order of activation of things that activate at the same time during the start of your turn

So i think keeping it consistent and saying "If two things would happen at the same time its player turns controller that picks order"

EX start of turn steps and hazards

[soft egret]

extremely close game, went to round 6, ending with the Plaguelord (at 2HP) melting the Warlord, and no other units on the map

[glacial junco]

Thats a good looking hazard token

[pseudo flicker]

Thanks! It comes in 4 variations xd

Theres a clean one, a blooded one, and one with yellow, one with green, to give optiins to gargamox and abhorrers

Theres also fires as a hazard token, i think they come in holy toxic and normal variation too

[night hedge]

yknow, i feel like the strongest faction against abhorrers is abhorrers lol

given that they get high damage single attacks to get past armour and vit

[pseudo flicker]

Cooking more terrain

[zinc solstice]

tbf, how easily/frequently they can end up surviving forever at literally 1 hp?

[night hedge]

i was about to say once but miracle doesn't actually have a cap

[pseudo flicker]

Another fire themed hazard

[spiral gale]

these alone are giving me so many map ideas…

[pseudo flicker]

Idea for a map - railings act alternate between acting as normal spaces and acting as hazards

[spiral gale]

something that might be cool as if they activated after someone walked over them. would be a lot of fun with goregrinder charges lol

[coarse turtle]

if there are uneven numbers of units on the board, does the side with more go multiple times in a row before the round ends?

[real bane]

Yup

[coarse turtle]

ok cool so its like lancer!

[rancid girder]

if one of the tiles is on terrain it counts

[zinc solstice]

I want you all to imagine EGIS perching over a pillar of high terrain like a cat trying to climb a wall

[pseudo flicker]

More terrain things
Water, acid, piss HOLY water, blüd

[zinc solstice]

Jarate confirmed

[pseudo flicker]

Thats what penitents do

They just jarate your ass

Oh and a deserty map background

[zinc solstice]

PISS

[spiral gale]

we leaving 2fort with this one.

[spiral gale]

omg i needed this so much. god bless

[pseudo flicker]

I still need to recolor walls and elevation in its colors for it to work

[spiral gale]

exciting

[zinc solstice]

Doesnt need to be explicitly in yellows, but some terracotas could be nice

[pseudo flicker]

This is mainly inspired by a deserty loophero sprite msp someone posted, so i could play smh similar, with water as drinkable oasises

[pseudo flicker]

I use my existing walls as a base, recolor blacks and sides to darkest color on the map, then copy the remaining pallete for inner part

Next update going to come with 12 new sprites total then

[spiral gale]

omg i meant end up map building more than playing

[zinc solstice]

noice

[pseudo flicker]

I should build some map templates but i always cook on the spot xd

[spiral gale]

I’d really like to make a mini document of map templates.

but yeah I just wing it too… usually turns out fun… usually.

[primal nest]

ok

[torn hare]

Is there a shared place where everyone's putting their map assets? I'm the Sabrina pancakes meme over here lol

[pseudo flicker]

If by map assets you mean like terrain sprites, i just put them in my mod

If you mean maps, theres an archive in pins

[primal nest]

Ye there’s a google drive

[spiral gale]

can anyone add to that?

[primal nest]

Yep!

Just not in my map folder

[spiral gale]

lol

[primal nest]

That private!

[spiral gale]

valid

[glacial junco]

I'm going to shove the game roster to the map drive too

[torn hare]

I did mean terrain sprites, yes

[pseudo flicker]

I post mine here regularly

[viral spoke]

Do both of Rotten's effects from pustulate target the same location? i can think of good reasons for both interpretations

[primal nest]

uhhh maybe dont add the unit assets in there

that is paid content

[glacial junco]

Let me rephrase

The Registery

My bad I used wrong term

Its where you track your games,

[primal nest]

ahhh that

ye thats fine

[glacial junco]

But also we have a different googlesheets that has the unit assets anyway and its pinned

[zinc solstice]

And speaking of usage of assets
maybe it would be rad to make a full cloth community pack of tokens for the TTS port?

[pseudo flicker]

Wdym by full cloth?

[primal nest]

Also no splash effects are around the target

Not on them

[viral spoke]

what im asking is, is the splash around the space you target or just somewhere else?

[pseudo flicker]

If its splash target, thrn yes

[primal nest]

Ye it’s around the space you target

[viral spoke]

ty

[pseudo flicker]

There are 2 splashes

Splash (target) and splash (self)

All of them affect all adjacent splashes. Splash target =all places adjacent to target

Splash self = all places adjavent to self

[viral spoke]

not to be rude, but you dont understand the question

[pseudo flicker]

That happens with me sometimes, sorry 🫠

Ah it was rotten specific

[viral spoke]

i was asking if the target for the splash was the same as the target for the rest of the ability, because i am easily confused and it is a page away from a create multiple hazards ability and that obviously doesnt all happen on the same tile

[pseudo flicker]

Ill be real its very late and i need to sleep, i just saw the reply and didnt even read the question

Sorry

[viral spoke]

it happens, i do appreciate that you did your best to help

[bronze jetty]

i don’t think tom cares since he said pirating the game is fine, either way it’s not a big deal, he can say something if he cares i’m sure

[umbral cipher]

That's good philosophy and all but even with Tom's Word we can't advertise pirated content on here

discord TOS stuff

[bronze jetty]

i know, just saying that it’s probably fine to include the official asset art in a public resource document, and that there’s no reason to be playing hall monitor about it either way

[pale echo]

derpghost is on the mod team

[coarse turtle]

my carcass op is named doomgirl

good name i think

[bronze jetty]

not who i was talking about. anyways not trying to derail the conversation further with this.

speaking of asset tokens, been thinking of making some kitbashed ones for playing heresy

[junior cliff]

how does infect interact with strength tokens? if you have enough strength, can you power up the initial hit and all 3 infect jumps? can you only use one on the initial hit and one on one of the infect jumps?

[primal flame]

I would imagine it works like how str interacts with splash/line effects, in that you must use up as many str tokens as possible per instance of unit affected by infect, but can choose who gets affected specifically?

So if you got 2 str and use infect on 3 units, at least 2 of the affected units MUST have str spent on them, but you can choose who specifically

[lethal trench]

It works like other AoE is my assumption

So one token per instance

[primal flame]

Initial target would also have str spent on them too i imagine, assuming the initial hit does damage at all

[junior elbow]

Infect does have an order, so you would have to use str tokens in order

Since each target depends on the previous target

[lethal trench]

yeah

[junior elbow]

This doesn't Always matter since it's pretty easy to reconfigure your path through a tight group

[primal flame]

Ah that makes sense yeah

[junior elbow]

Line I'm pretty sure is unordered and splash definitely is just whichever one's you like as long as you're using max tokens

[junior cliff]

oh so you're saying you have to use strength on each infect jump sequentially until you run out?

[primal flame]

Yeah

[junior cliff]

does this apply to rotten's plague tokens as well?

May treat plague tokens as strength

since it says "may"

[primal flame]

Given it says “may” im inclined to believe that is only if you want to

[junior cliff]

alrighty thanks!

[soft egret]

some unit names and default HPs need updating, not sure if you're aware

Could I request an alternate sprite for stairs at some point?

[modest badger]

quick question, for armor and vitality, is there a set order of operations? (ie, can i throw 1 damage at someone with both vitality tokens and armor to chip away the vitality tokens? or does the armor reduce damage 1st?)

[primal flame]

I think the armor reduces first.

So if you did 1 damage and your target has armor, they take 0 damage and no vitality is spent

[lyric fog]

Pretty sure that's right, yeah.
Armor reduces the damage you take, and then instead of taking HP damage you lose a vitality

[umbral cipher]

Yep

[modest badger]

Thats what I thought, but just wanted to clarify, thanks!

[nimble parrot]

Hey all, if my Zealot Pushes the necromancer in this case, can I push it into the swamp, or can I not push it at all?

[coarse turtle]

when you deploy units, does the "2 spaces from the side" include the edge row or not? in other words, on a chess board can i deplor in rows 1-2 or 1-3?

[modest badger]

An important note I think, Zealot is pushing two. My argument was that a push 1 would fail as the necromancer is still range 1 away from zealot and not "further away" but a push 2 would work as he now ends up further distance from zealot

[tepid quarry]

made a maleghast board, feel free to use if ya want 🤠

(I'll make tokens for terrain eventually too but who knows when)

[primal flame]

oh holy shit thats sick as fuck

[spice stag]

Will definitely be using

[nova mason]

Hell yeah

[tepid quarry]

thanks!

[craggy plover]

@silent sluice hey, the phrasing on Writhing Curse in the maleghast roster spreadsheet is inaccurate to the pdf!

[silent sluice]

thx for letting me know

[coarse turtle]

does armor happen before vitality? i'm assuming so

[soft egret]

yes

[modest badger]

Brother and I finished our 1st game tonight, we both enjoyed it. It was EXTREMELLY close. We played Pools of Obliteration as Abhorrents V Igorri, and i won 19:18 pts.

My biggest takeaway was every action, both defensive and offensive felt REALLY strong. When I pulled off a cool move It.was devastating, when my brother pulled off a big move I thought there was no way that's legal.

Which, is a good thing, every action felt important and made the game very swingy and impactful, which a fun small scale skirmish game should feel like.

[primal nest]

Fuck yeah

You inspire me

[soft egret]

If an ammo goblin with hot chamber regurgitates ammo to 2 units, does each unit gain a Strength (no effect die), or just 1 of them?

[devout pulsar]

i believe the former

[soft egret]

If an operator fires their LV4 Living Cannon, can they make other reload attacks after a single reload?

[devout pulsar]

i believe reload is tied to the specific act

[soft egret]

reload ability description says that reload applies to all ACT abilities with reload

[devout pulsar]

Speciol. effects Some effects from ACT abilities have special, tagged effects. For example: . The reload effect is the CARCASS faction effect. It means this ability cannot be used again until reloaded, which requires sacrificing a MOVE.

page eighteen

though i do see something different in the carcass section

[soft egret]

so an Operator that attacks with Unholy Sixgun would need to reload before using Akimbo if I'm reading this correctly, but LV4 has a confusing interaction with this

[devout pulsar]

i'm gonna say you'd need to reload twice

[soft egret]

so to fire Akimbo, you need to reload twice after firing the LV4?

[devout pulsar]

yes i think so

no wait

it specifies must reload twice before This is usable on the LV

[soft egret]

don't know what that means though

[lethal trench]

You can use other Reload acts between yes

[devout pulsar]

ohh we're misreading any ability beehive

doesn't mean all

it means any as in any one ability that has this tag

[soft egret]

it should say "an ability" instead of "any ability" then

[devout pulsar]

probably but the game was written in like a month

so there's bound to be errors like that around

[lethal trench]

So you could for example do
Lv4, Reload, Akimbo, Reload, Lv4

[soft egret]

could you do this though?

Akimbo, Sixgun, SG88

[lethal trench]

Not without reloading in between

[soft egret]

okay, that makes more sense

[lethal trench]

Reload affects all your Reload abilities

[soft egret]

your first message about this was confusing to me

[lethal trench]

Okay I see it yes

Basically we asked Tom of the two reloads for LV4 need to be consecutive, and he said no

[soft egret]

wanting to run a teamcomp that uses 2 bullet goblins to fire the LV4 every turn

[lethal trench]

Also valid

You only need the one honestly, since you can use your move for another Reload

And with 2-6 range you likely won't need to move

[soft egret]

true

[devout pulsar]

you can also use the bullet slide soul power

one soul to step one and reload

[soft egret]

gives more flexibility though, and the 2nd can support an Egis Weapon or Barrelform if not needed for the Operator

[devout pulsar]

for sure

[elfin ermine]

str stacking works on the LV well too

so two can put in work

[devout pulsar]

don't doubt the Enforcers though

[devout pulsar]

don't forget every time the Op reloads it generates a str

[coarse turtle]

i just played 2 duel rounds against my roommate who was playing abhorrers and i ended the game with a STG both times 🤭

[devout pulsar]

to the grave with them

was it devil bullet STG?

[coarse turtle]

yessir! 🫡

i’m running 8 gun wights and and enforcer lol

[devout pulsar]

the devil bullet telegraphs it pretty hard

[coarse turtle]

enforcer’s flashbang and the gun wights baton just move/wall off the opponents necromancer so they can’t body block

[coarse turtle]

yeah it does but both times i devil bulleted at the end of one round and STG’d at the beginning of the next so there was only 1 turn to react

[rancid girder]

my interpretation is that you need to reload twice after firing the LV to use any reload action

and nevermind chat moved my bad

[rancid girder]

you only need one and it's really good

the EGIS can largely reload itself since you don't actually move all that much

Gun Kata/Level 4 Cannon/Frag bullet, EGIS, 2x Enforcer, Barrelform, Goblin

Is my CARCASS artillery list

[fathom phoenix]

does 2v2 have two "sides" or four "sides"?

for e.g. initiative purposes

[wintry quartz]

I think you can rule as four initiatives, to keep it a player from ending a round and immediately going again.

[fathom phoenix]

that wouldn't happen in 2 initiatives either, right? because it'd always be the other side who goes next

[rancid girder]

if there are multiple sides play and deployment procedes clockwise or in the case of a VTT top to bottom/left to right

page 11, initiative and deployment

[fathom phoenix]

mm. that page also says "Most of the time, Maleghast is played as two sides (1v1 or 2v2)"

so I wasn't sure

[rancid girder]

the way I"ve been running it is that the four players go in sequence alternating activations

so team 1 player 1 -> team 2 player 1 -> team 1 player 2 -> team 2 player 2

[fathom phoenix]

that's also the way we've been doing it. it's fairly straightforward, but can be a tiny bit weird when one player has fewer activations than their teammate

[umbral cipher]

When you start getting into lopsided unit count territory you gotta kind of drop people out of the initiative as the round goes and put them back next round

It's weird but it could be worse

[fathom phoenix]

I like how in 1v1s, when someone drops out of the initiative, they get to go first on the next round

kind of a consolation prize

in 2v2s it's a little bit iffy though

if player C has low units, it goes...
Round 1: A B C D ... A B D
Round 2: A B C D ...

so even though they were out of initiative, the order remains the same

[devout pulsar]

i'd do team based personally

Team A activates then Team B does

[fathom phoenix]

whereas, if D has low units, it goes
Round 1: A B C D ... A B C
Round 2: D A B C ... D A B C A B C

[open vessel]

I'd say team based makes things run a bit more smoothly

[fathom phoenix]

I might suggest team based next time

[open vessel]

Maybe not as balanced but doesn't make rounds drag on for forever

Maleghast games are already quite long

[devout pulsar]

not for a skirmish game ime

thought i've not played teams

[fathom phoenix]

I still play pretty slowly. but it feels like I'm slowly getting faster

[open vessel]

Maybe it's my playgroup, we're used to overthinking shit

[devout pulsar]

entirely possible

this game is quick imo due to the measuring being very simple

[open vessel]

That is true

We used to have Warhammer games that took 4 hours just because of the measuring and moving of everything

In comparison Maleghast is pretty quick

[devout pulsar]

guildball was my skirmish of choice and it was regularly 2+ hours

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah its the big thing with Kill Team games

measuring can still be fiddly even if they've streamlined it

[devout pulsar]

turns out squares are nice and easy

even if people prefer free measure for some reason

[open vessel]

That's why I love Underworlds so much

[rancid girder]

once units started dying we prioritized alternating teams over turn order

[devout pulsar]

Crisis protocol isn't too bad with the sticks

[open vessel]

Quick games, hexes, 3 rounds only

[rancid girder]

with the goal being to avoid going twice in a row as much as possible

[devout pulsar]

6 rounds max for maleghast is also dope especially since rounds will get shorter and shorter

[rancid girder]

yeah and it means that infinite stuff has less value because you've only got six rounds to execute in

[devout pulsar]

yeah it's hard to bunker up and stall

though there might be something there for like... what's the kills score game mode?

i've only been playing murder

so that does inform my opinions

[pseudo flicker]

What did i miss?
Regarding stair, i just kinda dont know what to draw 😅

[wet sinew]

<@&1169764878454620231> Duel anyone?

[pseudo flicker]

Moving alt styles of terrain pieces to states, just click a number to get what you need

[craggy iron]

sure

[hexed horizon]

I really need to learn how to do this

[pseudo flicker]

you select multiple objects and right click them

theres a new option that appears, called create state

[hexed horizon]

Oh, that easy

[pseudo flicker]

i learned this by googling

i think theres more to it but as far as i can tell they are merged in order of selection

so if you want something specific, you can either arrange them left to right and be sure to select them from left to right, or use ctrl+lmb to select specific ones in order that you need

kay, new terrain update is out, heres a map made with it
grills alternate betwene flaming in the centre and flaming on the sides every round. when they flame, they count as hazards, when they dont - they are normal spaces
coffins are just decorations, but if arranged symmetricaly, they make for nice elevation. or you could count them as corpses and cover.

terrain flipping

[real bane]

Undying Woods

Its trees don't burn. A day's logging regrows overnight. Every attempt at felling these woods has failed, and every day it grows thicker.

Forest tiles are adverse and grant cover. Thick forests additionally block line of sight through, into and out of. River's adverse. There is no hospitality to be found in the forest's huts and camps. Buildings are hazards.

[pseudo flicker]

More terrain

The statue is planned to be a standee token

Want to try making a "damaged" state for walls when they are at 1 hp

[small locust]

Oh i hope the trees stand too thatd be fun

[pseudo flicker]

They are just a hazard, so flat

Them standing would be annoying
I can make standing ones later tho

[small locust]

Fair enough

[spiral gale]

damaged walls is genius.

[crisp night]

i am sad

there isn't a funny portmanteau of abhorrers and gargamox for heresy purposes

abhorrers and goregrinders? abgorrers

igorri? igorrers

[short estuary]

Gargorrers

Abbamox

[devout pulsar]

no one wants to fight abba

[crisp night]

it's funny sounding it just doesn't flow together like the others

[devout pulsar]

having the time of your life

[crisp night]

i've already decided my abhorrer mox heresy team is gonna be called Bad Baptism

[keen ravine]

wondering if these guys fit for an abhorrer vibe

[crisp night]

i still need to try igorri

tried carcass, they're exactly what i expected

[small locust]

Igorri is pretty good, def bring a strigoi

[glacial junco]

Good list is honestly 1 of each unit. Maybe 2 lycans if you dont like thralls.

[pseudo flicker]

Abhamox is pretty fine

Ab-ha-mox

[glacial junco]

GarGrinder

Goremaxxers

[crisp night]

my biggest issue with carcass is just that like

[glacial junco]

Goreass

[crisp night]

normally i really like the ranged supremacy character types

but for a game like this it doesn't work for me

i don't like sitting in a corner for most of the game

[devout pulsar]

they work fine

[small locust]

My first try with strigoi was a Homonculous, 2 lycans, a stitch and a strigoi

It was against carcass so they all died before even dropping anyone but still i thought it was fine

(Seriously i didnt even kill a thrall, it was really bad)

[crisp night]

carcass is very strong i just don't know if they're for me

but i think the fact that i played at spite colored my perception

may try them at a higher level

[umbral cipher]

Carcass at Spite is solid but get funky at higher Malice yeah

[crisp night]

i also may just build for more aggressiveness

[glacial junco]

Need that ChopDoc

Dont forget they drop bodies when they move50/50

[umbral cipher]

What was your squad?

[small locust]

Yeah the range at lower levels makes then very strong. And yeah def bringing a chop doc next time

[crisp night]

my first list was two barrelforms, two goblins, and egis

[umbral cipher]

And yeah Igorri really really wants a chopdoc

[small locust]

And chaos beam

[crisp night]

which basically was the most "sit your ass here" build possible

might do two enforcers four wights and an egis some other time

[glacial junco]

If you dont bring a doc you need to take New Material Act which feels like strigoi but harder

Becuase CORPSE MAGIC~

[small locust]

Corpse magic tho

[umbral cipher]

I'm genuinely not sure if Igorri really 'works' without one

[crisp night]

how much health does the doc have

i know it has ward

[umbral cipher]

4 HP and ward yeah

[small locust]

I may actually try and really refine my garg play, i wanna be really good with them because i love da slimes, sludges, molds, mucus, detritus and dirt

[crisp night]

4 and ward???

damn

why does the antipriest get 2 and ward

[clever latch]

Chop Docs are real nice

[umbral cipher]

Antipriest's 2 hp was a typo haha

[small locust]

Cuz they get vitality and self revive also

[umbral cipher]

It has 4 in the updated pdf

[crisp night]

oh my god i just never changed that in the updated foundry files

Man

[small locust]

Oh pff

Thatll do

[crisp night]

there's a few things i've noticed which i missed which are mostly like

minor spelling or definition things

but that's going to annoy me that i missed that

forever

[umbral cipher]

[glacial junco]

No no we can go back to 1.0 I want 2 damage bat again (joking)

[umbral cipher]

My own go-to carcass comp is 4 gunwights, an Enforcer, two goblins
drop a Goblin in big games

then split them into two little formation squads (the necro goes to the one without the enforcer)

[crisp night]

intriguing

i need to consider deployment more

so far i've just done blobs

though i do at least consider what unit goes where in each blob

[coarse turtle]

i love Formation it’s so fun to send my little carcass guys around in groups

i run 6 gunwights and a barrelform and an enforcer it actually works pretty well

[crisp night]

going on a field trip

[umbral cipher]

I should probably try a game with a Barrelform at some point I know they're strong

[crisp night]

i should make an armored core themed carcass team actually. because fuck it

[coarse turtle]

barrelform is great against abhorrers to wear down vitality

[umbral cipher]

And yeah tbh, a lot of gunwights with a couple fellas to back them up is a very strong gameplan in and of itself

[crisp night]

10 gunwight economy

[storm pine]

How we liking the Pile Bunker?

Building a Spite Goregrinder list and feel obligated to take one on principle

[crisp night]

people did math and it's apparently more consistently better than the default warlord attack but this could be me misremembering badly

i remember the math part not the result

[coarse turtle]

tbh 10 gunwights with a STG combo build wouldn’t necessarily be bad

[crisp night]

for now

until stg gets nerfed

but that ahsnt happened yet

so i may do that

[umbral cipher]

I wouldn't run 10 gunwights because then you run into issues with having no bulk and losing everybody to AOE

[crisp night]

true, but consider this;

it's really funny

[umbral cipher]

This is true

[coarse turtle]

and you get fast soul

[umbral cipher]

But yes, Gunwights win the prize for like
Strongest Thrall offensively

They just pay for that with absolute ass mobility

[crisp night]

stitches are also strong no

what with token generation

they do require setup thogh

[coarse turtle]

baton is so silly last game i played i was able to line up my gunwights just right for them to use baton and just pass my opponent’s exorcist to each other like 5 spaces

[small locust]

Dont need to move if you can just blast em

[crisp night]

which wights do not

[crisp night]

maleghast version of the peasant railgun

[zinc solstice]

https://vxtwitter.com/bestinsio/status/1208167182951239682?t=sSN8YHKKStiWa02pvkPdSA&s=19
Gargamox

[glacial junco]

I love it i will always take it for the chance to fucking MURDER a tyrant/necromancer thats alone

And its a Pilebunker

How can i NOT take it

You can deal 3 damage and then 1 more if you are berzerk and you will almost always have strength if you are playing your cards right

[real bane]

Shattered Crags

The rocky crags out east still bear the glassy scars from the temporal collapse.

Stones are stairs, mountains elevation. The glassy shards of crystallized time are hazards, and bend time around them. Units that enter their spaces on their turn or start their turn in them gain 1 speed and +1D on their next attack.

[lyric fog]

ooohhh

[lyric fog]

What's the best way to load up? Ignite is super useful, obvs, but it is giving yourself damage as you go

[primal nest]

These came out nice Eule

[glacial junco]

Ignite and Overclock were my 2 picks

[warm geyser]

i can't stop building lists around painwheel. all i want is painwheel.

p-dubz out here having a fantastic time

[glacial junco]

Where u get that

[candid monolith]

Painwheels my beloved

[glacial junco]

i too love my fromsoft boys

[real bane]

<@&1169764878454620231> Anyone up for a loathing murder duel on roll20 with discord vc at <t:1700074800:t>

[small locust]

Ay yo pizzas here!

[pseudo flicker]

I am not joking
Rn igorri physically cant do anything against my abhorrer mass

You need a base damage of 2 to scratch penitents

Without it you are just scraping off vitality

[glacial junco]

please add results to that excell sheet

[elfin vortex]

Igorri has a lot of tools to scrape off Vitality though

[glacial junco]

They have 1 if they have a chopdoc

And even then

[elfin vortex]

Chop Doc's Purge, Strigoi's Sin Eater, Necro's Mutagen Injector

[glacial junco]

damn i wish I could count

[pseudo flicker]

Which excel sheet?

[elfin vortex]

That's a matchup that I'm hopefully going to try soon, though my partner usually prefers Gargamaxxing to trying out other factions

[glacial junco]

Its in the Map folder but I'll see if we can get it pinned

@devout pulsar Can we pin the game tracker google sheet for ease of access?

[real bane]

It's in the maps drive folder iirc

oh you are aware

mb

[glacial junco]

Nah u good

[devout pulsar]

where is it

[pseudo flicker]

Yeah but unless you roll 6s you still need to spend multiplr actions doing nothing but stripping vitality per target while abhorrers give it out in aoe

[glacial junco]

#1164643959721693184 message

[glacial junco]

Thank you

[warm geyser]

for abilities with the text "That damage cannot slay them." like Ignite and a few others, does that mean "the effect cannot be applied if it would slay the target" or is it "the effect is applied and the damage is negated if it would slay the target"

[small locust]

I still think it applies it just cant drop their health to 0

[real bane]

So if they're at 1 when you use it, they remain at 1

(but the effect otherwise applies)

[small locust]

Like garg plague would still be useful because there are abilities that deal separate damage using plague

[storm pine]

Drawing that Great Urgal Blade at turn 5 feels very Dark Souls second boss phase, lol

But is it sikk enough to pick over Unholy Summoning

🤔

[lyric fog]

That's what I've assumed.
I'm also not sure if it can drop Goregrinders to 0. I'm inclined to think it can, because all it says is that it can't slay them and dropping to 0 doesn't slay them.

[small locust]

I think thatd be the logic

[junior elbow]

Gonna be real, there's almost no way you get to round 5 in Murder unless you're playing against a very slow Abhorrers mass

[devout pulsar]

i had a game go to turn 6

Gargamox vs igorri

[lyric fog]

Also, I feel like there's a really important issue we've never addressed.
What House is Penny in? I think she might be CARCASS but I'm not sure. Is she geared up for the CARCASS iconic image?

[lapis willow]

she's CARCASS😌😌

[tacit cedar]

Carcass ☠️

[coarse turtle]

she's carcass for sure. she has the same eye makeup every time we see her, including that shot of her in the operator armor

[lyric fog]

nice

[coarse turtle]

why is slaughter under basic scenarios and not basic modes? im assuming its a formatting error

[solemn apex]

i can give a doom thats been put on this character to an enemy with this, right?

[devout pulsar]

can't see why not

[tired bolt]

a token's a token

[real bane]

It's a token

[solemn apex]

hilarious

thanks

[devout pulsar]

doesn't specify positive or negative nor does it specify ally or enemy

[solemn apex]

i figured, just making sure

[devout pulsar]

for sure

[primal nest]

God

[glacial junco]

"I normally use this to progress my projects form, but in your case I'm afraid you are an evolutionary dead end"

[primal nest]

That’s just what that matchup is huh?

[devout pulsar]

it was both our first times playing the houses

so maybe not

but also maybe yes

[primal nest]

Ah

[storm pine]

I've only played one game, it was against Abhorrers, and over turn 3, so you might be on to something here

It's just so COOL

[devout pulsar]

was with @umbral cipher

[glacial junco]

Me an my garg opponent normally stop the game before it hits round 6 because our tools are so consistent that we can generally math out if its a tie or not. (normally doesn't end up this way though just to clarify but twice so far)

[primal nest]

How did that go for y’all?

[storm pine]

BIG URGAL GANG

[devout pulsar]

it was fine tbh

[real bane]

Still avail for this, in case anyone's up

[junior elbow]

It is!

[spice stag]

Im down

[junior elbow]

I'd definitely pick it in other gamemodes or at higher malice levels, I'm more particular to Vapor Form at Spite though

[storm pine]

Had my eye on the vape

It's certainly in the running for ACTs, especially at Spite

I need to figure out the most effective ways to build up doom tokens to fully capitalize on things like Vape Form

Right know I'm kind of just relegated to Doom Blading anyone I can after kidnapping them. Don't want to run more than one slot of Sacrifices because they're easy kills to clear doom tokens

[stoic gate]

yes if you can ruin the enemy’s day with enough walls until turn 5

[storm pine]

My first game was no Bound Devil and double Banshee. I made hella walls and just screamed through them. My new Mass has a Devil but double Banshee was so fun i'm considering dropping a Vizigheist for a second Bansh

Vizigheist is so useful though. Idk. Hard choice

[stoic gate]

double banshee, vizigheist, devil, sacrifices

position the enemy necro near walls

bound devil an ultra combo move smashing every wall and blitz em

or just play igorri and get 10 vitality on ur hero and homunculus by turn 3 🤤

[spiral gale]

I like double chosen. kidnapping mancers in duel is the funniest thing ever

[pseudo flicker]

.

[spiral gale]

that statue goes so hard 🙏

[pseudo flicker]

i do think that coffin goes harder xd

[spiral gale]

ngl my favourite new piece is the grills.

[pseudo flicker]

everytime i see the grills i think of everhood lmao

[coarse turtle]

my roomate runs 3 chosen 2 banshee and absolutely embarrased my carcass mass the first time i played against her

[umbral cipher]

Everhood 😌

[spiral gale]

THATS INCREDIBLE

[umbral cipher]

Hell yeah

[spiral gale]

beautiful list

[coarse turtle]

she abducted my op, killed my enforcer, and then just built a wall that blocked out literally all of my grunts

and i spent the whole game just doing 1 damage at a time to the walls with my gunwights trying to get through 😭

[umbral cipher]

using its music for one of my homebrew faction soundtracks was a must

[pseudo flicker]

i have mixed feelings on everhood

[umbral cipher]

Tis a solid game, banger tunes, I give it two one thumbs up

[pseudo flicker]

On one hand, the game is beautiful and was very fun, with clever narrative
On other hand, the philosophy isnt as deep as it pretends to be, so the ending of the game is kinda

ugh

[umbral cipher]

I really like what its goin for tbh

It does linger on the point a bit too hard and could maybe have afforded to like... let it end a moment or two before it did

[pseudo flicker]

I think they wouldve benefited from making the ending shorter, and stretching the character buildup more

and imo the ending also derived from the message and feel of the second half of the game

[umbral cipher]

Perhaps yeah
But for what it is, tis a good time, and it's always cool to see little indie stuff hit it pretty big

[spiral gale]

pretty much sums up my first deadsouls game

[devout pulsar]

those souls are dead

[umbral cipher]

when you come to it and you can't go through it and you can't knock it down

[pseudo flicker]

SUPPPREEEEME SWORD ART

MERCIFUL SNOWDROP CUT

[spiral gale]

lol since I got 0 kills they had low soul and they had to keep 3 to treat the round as round 1 as to not die to doom.

[umbral cipher]

Soundtrack: Dancefloor Is Lava - Why Oh You Are LOVE Keygen Church - UltraChurch Femtanyl - GIRL HELL 1999
very proud of this vibe selection tbh

Zamn

[pseudo flicker]

Heilung as soundtrack

[small locust]

Hitting them with a “Hi welcome to chilis” as you build them the chilis

[spiral gale]

strictly no pets allowed

[small locust]

“Dont worry ill bring my cask of amontiadllo to you”

-Deadsouls

[storm pine]

Naming my Dark Priest Montresor lol

[pseudo flicker]

@spiral gale since you seem to be using my terrain a lot, question
do you prefer having the preset wall heights that i made, or would you be fine with me just giving the building blocks, and letting people build walls as tall as they want them to be?

[tulip crane]

I heard it through the grapevine that people organize Maleghast matches in a channel in this very server. Is this the place, or is here just for general discussion?

[pseudo flicker]

the reason i am pondering that is because the walls as they are not actual solid pieces, but several separate pieces attached to eachother, which gets VERRRY unstable overtime

i tried using gismo to physicall stretch the piece but it doesnt carry over when copying which annoys me to hell and back

[small locust]

Yeah you can pug here

[tired bolt]

this is the place. you can ping the maleghast role when you're looking for games

and get it yourself to be pinged if someone's looking

[small locust]

The other maleghast channel is for homebrew shenangians

[pseudo flicker]

i know i personally would prefer that when building maps, since its not a hassle but i also would hate to see people place a minimum height wall lmao

so the pros are basically
its more modular
its easier to mod when i get to add new environments

cons are

[real bane]

Playing Goregrinders versus CARCASS, pray for me

[spiral gale]

hmm I like the preset since it lets you quickly have walls of varying height without any fuss. However I understand it would optimise the table and make more room for more terrain pieces so it’s a worthy sacrifice imo

[pseudo flicker]

you need to copy more tokens

[spice stag]

lol

Im taking grenade jump as my extra act ability

[pseudo flicker]

you can just stack multiple smaller pieces on top of eachother since this is what the presets already were

but i get your point

ill make some presets

[spiral gale]

speaking for my own personal use if I am honest i have saved copies of some of my boards so i can always just use the older pieces from them.

[pseudo flicker]

the reason i dont like the presets is because they hate being saved actually

eachtime i had to lad the games they broke entirely

wall update coming soon btw

[spiral gale]

oh yeah that’s true. unless i lock them i end up having to re-place a lot of my pieces

[pseudo flicker]

actually nvm i cant even get the presets to work now

they just fall through the table

sehr coole

[spiral gale]

well if that’s the case I think it’s worth getting rid of them

[pseudo flicker]

yeah sorry idk whats the actual issue here is т.т

[spiral gale]

nothing to be sorry for :>

[pseudo flicker]

anyways heres another mockup with the new terrain
GOD DAMN THE SUN

[spice stag]

https://tenor.com/view/frieza-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-destroyed-you-fool-gif-16276829

Bright as hell

[pseudo flicker]

its a desert

deserts are bright

[spice stag]

makes sense

[pseudo flicker]

its actually technically less bright than black and white maps because white color lmao

[spice stag]

those all white background maps be giving me a headache lol

[pseudo flicker]

that was the reason why i decided to make the default map a gradient of grey to white instead of pure white+black

[royal socket]

If a Berserker attacks with berserk but is blocked by armor does berserk deal damage to himself since it failed to "damage a unit".

[lyric fog]

yes

[real bane]

uh oh

[primal nest]

wait does that count for vitality too?

[pseudo flicker]

vitality reduces damage dealt

as its worded

so you hit for say

1 damage

guy has armor and vitality

1 damage gets eaten by armor

no damage is dealt, so vitality doesnt reduce anything and stays there

berserk hits you in the face

2 damage

guy has armor and vitality

1 damage gets eaten by armor

[primal nest]

i meant does berserk count for self dmg if you hit a dude who has vit

like say an igorri unit

[pseudo flicker]

1 damage goes through, gets reduced by vitality, but because of how it is worded, it de-facto applies only after already dealing this damage

so you dont hit yourself

[storm pine]

This conclusion seems pretty intuitive imo. A lot of the same type of question popping up.

[pseudo flicker]

even though de-facto you dealt no damage, but de-jure it counted

at least that how i rule it

[primal nest]

ok good

i was gonna be worried for my goregrinders friend

[pseudo flicker]

well you dont have to rule it that way, but i think as far as it is worded in the game, thats the case

[lyric fog]

Yeah, that's how I've read it at least.
If an attack's damage is entirely blocked by armor, it didn't do damage. If it took out a vitality, it did damage, it just didn't apply to the HP total.

I could be wrong but that's how it reads to me.

[pseudo flicker]

correct, i think

[small locust]

Decided to make a little swampy map for a playtest I have with my Homebrew tonight, ty for the new terrain bits I love em 🙂

[real bane]

Wowee, I set myself up for failure. Conceded round 1 due to not being able to do any damage basically or getting anywhere

No small part of that being the map, true, but good golly, omnipresent armor makes berserk exclusively a curse

[primal nest]

Also there’s another question I got but I need visuals on this

[spice stag]

Enforcer units are pretty op against GG's

rough matchup for sure

[small locust]

Enforcers are just tough period

[glacial junco]

Yeah carinfexs aren't great against enforcers

[small locust]

Unless you can do magic damage they're a real pain

[glacial junco]

You get Wild Slashes

And kinda gotta lean in with that and your wheel

[spice stag]

Its was a loathing match as well so my enforcers had the napalm unit upgrade so they were essentially mini egis weapons lol

[glacial junco]

(be sure to add your game to the tracker its a great statistical tool )

[spice stag]

oh is it in the pined?

[glacial junco]

Ye

[real bane]

I added it

[spice stag]

will do

oh ok cool

[glacial junco]

Tyty

[primal nest]

So big guy moves to the left 1, cost +1 movement to get onto the elevated terrain

would moving to the left 1 again also cost +1 movement? because his remaining 2 tiles are still on grounded terrain?

[spice stag]

I don't believe so since having 1 tile already counts ans being on elevated terrain

[glacial junco]

Yeah if your tyrant is on at least 1 Space they are on elevated terrain

[spice stag]

I think the rule of thumb is that if a tyrant has 1 tile on any kind of terrain it interacts like regular units. the only difference being you can't take 2 hazard damage at the start of its turn.

[stoic gate]

the rules say that tyrants are only effected by one of any given tile type at a time

[small locust]

Yeah you count all the tiles the tyrant as on as effecting him once, so since one leg is basically on the elevation, moving the rest of him on it isn't extra movement because he's already on elevated terrain

[pseudo flicker]

i do think garden of the dead board would look better

[rancid girder]

think of it as a binary state of elevated/not elevated

[primal nest]

yeah and moving into hazards only counts for damage if it was outside any of it's spaces

[small locust]

Oh snap didn't even see that

ty

[rancid girder]

so long as the unit is elevated it doesn't pay the cost for moving onto elevated terrain

[spice stag]

correct

[primal nest]

ok ty gang

[small locust]

Added alittle toxic smog for effect

Bog smog

If you will

[pseudo flicker]

thats incredible

[stoic gate]

what are those trees?

[pseudo flicker]

another suggestion
you can make thorns slightly transparent so they mix in better

you can do that by right clicking them and going into color editing

alpha determines transparency

i set it to 200 usually

[glacial junco]

Are the statues supposed to be walls or are they just destructable cover?

[small locust]

Made the statues bigger too

Which thanks to the ruined version I can treat them like walls and have their ruined variants be their 1hp variants, the coffins can act as elevated terrain

[pseudo flicker]

Have fun!

[small locust]

Im picturing this being a foresty overgrown area where a recent flood has reveled some ancient ruins.

A place or honor, or a mass grave, either way the Abhorrors are coming to investigate

[glacial junco]

Like it used to be a park in the city before it start to slide down with the rest of it*

[small locust]

Lol yeah something mundane like that

[pseudo flicker]

mass grave is a very broadly applicable term in the city of the dead

[lyric fog]

CITY OF ONE BILLION CORPSES

[small locust]

Also true, but more 'we threw a bunch of corpses in a pile' rather than 'we carefully buried these bodies in tombs'

One has a buncha pissed off ghosts, the others probably some prime zombie material

you want nice mummifed remains, they last longer, were probably perfumed, and dont smell like shit

[pseudo flicker]

i am surprised nobody tried making a ghost faction tbh

like proper spooks and spectres

[small locust]

Im sorta thinking about rewording some of the Shaggrath lore to be implied that ghosts are possessing these sort of wooden bodies

But yeah not like proper ghosts like the deadsouls have

[lyric fog]

Deadsouls are close?

[umbral cipher]

Deadsouls lean into more of a Exorcist or Evil Dead energy

[small locust]

Night haunts are a good inspo for a ghost faction for sure

[umbral cipher]

they're haunted as shit but still haunting Bodies

[glacial junco]

Hell what were the evil dead zombies called again

[umbral cipher]

No clue

[small locust]

Deadites

[glacial junco]

DEADITES RIGHT

Damn thats so cool

[pseudo flicker]

i dont want to expand on the lore of wylderot a lot, but i imagine most of them actually just being EXTREMELY bitter spirits of the forest folk
they are no actually shambling corpses with flesh and stuff, they are wights formed from earth itself around anybody unlucky enough to die within or be carried to the corpsegradens of beelzebub.

[umbral cipher]

A full spook n' specter faction could be neat but it needs a little something something extra for spice

[small locust]

Some proper spooky shit

[pseudo flicker]

yea they are less so spook and spectres and more so exorcist i am crawling on the wall stuff

[umbral cipher]

Right

[pseudo flicker]

i am unsure how to represent their spectrality

[glacial junco]

Not to go too far off the convo but its so fucking cool that we have a zombie show where the zombies where like Legit malicious bastards that were just mean and evil. (that being evil dead)

[rugged cloud]

A keyword that messes with how they interact with terrain probably

[small locust]

I was thinking the Shaggrath necromancers are some proper witchy hags that steal youth from other necromancers and yeah pull malicious forest spirits who wanna protect the forests from rot and death into bodies made of wood and bone

[rugged cloud]

Maybe you could do a hit and run skirmisher playstyle fed into by “John walks through walls”

[pseudo flicker]

wild ideas to throw into the pile
Full armor faction
Walk through walls faction
Have everyone be tied to a fetter. Fetter is easier to damage, if fetter is dead - ghost is also dead. Ghost cant leave too far from the fetter, but may move it instead of moving itself.

[glacial junco]

Armor
No no more armor

Armor scary and bad

[small locust]

Said the igorri, bitterly

[pseudo flicker]

penichad jumpscare

[glacial junco]

Joking of course i knew what you mean

[stoic gate]

teleportation, creating LoS blockers, making duplicate clone mirror images, inflicting lots of negative tokens, physical armor

[rugged cloud]

I feel like that would be better for like… a single unit, maybe even the tyrant

[glacial junco]

[stoic gate]

i feel like deadsouls is almost spook n spectre

pretty close with the whole “go thru walls” thing

[small locust]

They dont have like a proper spooky sheet ghost tho

[pseudo flicker]

a lot of that is deadsouls gimmicks and i think it would be fun to separate them, if one wants to do a faction themed around that fantasy

[small locust]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-dance-funny-gif-12673936

[umbral cipher]

See, if i was to make a ghost faction I would need another concept to fuse into it

[pseudo flicker]

I actually think it could be fun if everyone was like that ngl

[small locust]

Look at that, look how spooky that is

[pseudo flicker]

would make for a faction that is slow and plays a lot with positioning

[rugged cloud]

It could be but that is also very complex

[pseudo flicker]

homebrew factions tend to be complex, i dont think that its that problematic

[rugged cloud]

Fair

[pseudo flicker]

imo as far as i can think, "defend a fetter" is also simpler to grasp than igorris gameplan

[stoic gate]

i’m thinking more pirate and/or desert ghosts that conjure mists/sandstorms that you can move through but block LoS

[rugged cloud]

I’m just a little wary, its a cool idea

[small locust]

Could make it a faction that cannot be affect by terrain in anyway

Sort of a catch 22, no negative but no positive benefits

[stoic gate]

again deadsouls already has so much ghostiness going for it it’s hard to separate fully

but lean more into the ghostly themes of fighting indirectly and sapping the will to live over time and u can have something

and be annoying with positioning/duplication/LoS blocking

another idea: a controller faction that can respawn its units after death and the only way to put them down is to destroy a stationary core unit

like puppets or something

[pseudo flicker]

you are already doing that mostly xd

[rugged cloud]

My previous faction was Dinosaur bones+necromancy but like in the waking up the old things way

My current faction I am working on is Lichcore, where they know how to do magic other than necromancy and are mixing disciplines

[glacial junco]

Ok I don't normally enjoy homebrew stuff...
But you did mention puppets

[pseudo flicker]

but yeah the way id do it
roman/greek style, units are armored and armored "shadows".
slow movement through everything
units, except thralls, are tethered to special objects that they must protect and are hard to kill
objects are easy to kill
Good soul gain, big soul use.
necromancer is something along the lines of a lich. Maybe low health, but instead of dying it may destroy a fetter (and kill its own unit) to respawn in its place. Maybe make that cost 1 soul.

[glacial junco]

Idk how that'd feel.

[pseudo flicker]

heavily inspired by ughhh
ermor

[glacial junco]

You have to understand that units dying and staying dead is a huge factor on action economy.

[stoic gate]

i felt that and approve viciously

dominions in general is just great inspo fuel

[pseudo flicker]

No-no, the units die and dont respawn. Its just that to kill them fast, you need to target a fetter they carry around as a token, and not the unit itself.
You can bruteforce and kill a ghost, especially with magic damage

II also think thralls shouldnt have that

So its less stuff to manage

What I do think they must have is the mechanic i already used in my homebrew, ie, enemies can freely walk through them

[stoic gate]

your description of Lichcore makes me think about…a faction that gets extra Soul economy and uses it differently to other factions. like most strong abilities are “mana” based spellcastjbg

their units have some ACTs that could cost SOUL

[primal nest]

:)

[stoic gate]

alright

a faction that only has one unit that is modified instead of building an army

like a magician at the center of a customizable spellstorm or a military commander riding a modular mega-spider-tank

[umbral cipher]

Hmm. If I had to try and take a spin on a ghost house I might try and tie them into something like... I dunno, music

[rugged cloud]

I wanna work on a third house at some point for rule of 3 reasons so I can package them all together

I have a third faction idea but it is cursed and would probably be better as a joke faction or something

[umbral cipher]

a house of eternal and ethereal partygoers

[primal nest]

the bit is that I’m working on a homebrew faction with similar mechanics.

[umbral cipher]

I do have the haunted scarecrow house; their Freak is the Rope Doll

[umbral cipher]

hmmm

[rugged cloud]

Haunted robots work ok

[umbral cipher]

Haunted robots are always rad but also I am sideyeing you very hard

[rugged cloud]

Understandable

[umbral cipher]

If you wanted to spin the concept away from 'goofy' you could try drawing on stuff like SOMA

[rugged cloud]

Oooo very true

What if they have some sort of artifical demon

[umbral cipher]

you mean the daemon

[stoic gate]

😮

i better see some straight up wizardry son

some straight up

frogging

[stoic gate]

that’s interesting. no necromancer, just every unit has to die and the necromancer’s ACT and SOUL abilities can be cast from any units space

[umbral cipher]

shit I could call the thralls 'Deadbeats', that's too good to leave alone

[stoic gate]

Ultron-style

[rugged cloud]

Oooo that is a very cool idea

A bit high concept but I can work with that

Thank youuuuuu

[primal nest]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2TFoqSc3ZQXluixaBlhddWAL4U171UMikpmbWFUaek/edit?usp=sharing

ribbit

[pseudo flicker]

oooh
the only person is the necromancer and everything else is just spells

[primal nest]

they are still wip

[umbral cipher]

I don't think having the necro and no units really works for this game

[glacial junco]

Scarecrows are cool and so a robots but I really just want cursed porcelain dolls or ball jointed models

[umbral cipher]

Very fair

[pseudo flicker]

oh no, they would technically be units, but the unit is like

a firestorm

[stoic gate]

the cultists from endless legend

[pseudo flicker]

and necro can recast it to place it near itself again

etc

[umbral cipher]

Ohh, I see, the units are treated as like, animate spells then?

[pseudo flicker]

yea

throwing words at the wall btw

[glacial junco]

Both from a mechanical standpoint and visual standpoint. Absolutely my favorite besides the necro bugs

Endless legend is so sick

[stoic gate]

yes exactly. Units are just discreet effects that the necro can use one at a time

[pseudo flicker]

You can say that they use souls to power spells, so those spells operate like constructs essentially. not fully elementals, but still

other than that idk

[umbral cipher]

See that is what I think wouldn't really work

Due to just like, the sheer action economy issues that raises

[stoic gate]

You’d still have the same action economy and same amount of turns

[umbral cipher]

Sure, right, but said singular necro needs to be way tougher than any assumption the game would be prepared to make to survive being the sole target against 5 units

[tired bolt]

heya everyone, i'd like to remind y'all we do have a homebrew forum for this kind of discussion https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1170699117454962848

[umbral cipher]

ah right thanks ashley

back to the base game for here

[stoic gate]

alright i’ve posted my insanity there

[primal nest]

So

Gargamaxxing

[umbral cipher]

Slime Times

[rugged cloud]

I was considering getting in garg

I’ve only ever played Abhorrors

[primal nest]

Garglenuts is fun

[umbral cipher]

Garg is neat but the games I've seen with it had a hard time like, enforcing their wincon?

[primal nest]

Do like combo?

Garg is do combo faction

It definitely is hard

[rugged cloud]

My Garg army is a rotten spam army

[umbral cipher]

Like they cover the entire map in Hazards and slap Plague on everything like mad
and then the game just sorta stalls

[rugged cloud]

3 rotten

Who just beat the shit out fo you

[primal nest]

It’s mainly just dealing with ward/super armor with vit is fucked

[umbral cipher]

Course, it's possible we were all just playing wrong haha

[rugged cloud]

Doesn’t plague make it through those?

Or is it just armor

[primal nest]

Yes but it doesn’t remove vit

[stoic gate]

what about the vapors ability as a finisher after the entire map is covered in hazards?

[umbral cipher]

Plague is irreducible but way slow

[primal nest]

And it can’t kill

[umbral cipher]

Hazards can get through armour but can get Vit-blocked

[primal nest]

Works well if you are running a lot of hazard spam

But mox got more than 1 list

[umbral cipher]

And unitwise only Rotten and the Necro can properly get through phys/ward

[primal nest]

Well

[primal flame]

My friend did this exact thing to me and hit me with like 10 dmg and killed me instantly

[primal nest]

Rotten doesn’t have phys dmg

[umbral cipher]

(A leech can try and Evolve Strain on a Slime which is quite effective but that's a chunk o' setup)

[primal nest]

Like the only units with phs dmg on mox side is host, necro, and scum

[umbral cipher]

Yeah you're right i forgor

It's Ward that gets tricky

[primal nest]

Yeah

Part of the reason why mox into Igorri tends to stall out

Cuz that necro is CHUNKY

like gotdayum

[umbral cipher]

Yeah mox/iggori is fated to just stall

[primal nest]

I’m gonna be running scourge now to see if that fairs better

[umbral cipher]

Because mox can kill your bruisers like Lycan and Homonc easy

[glacial junco]

Yup

[umbral cipher]

But they cannot crack a tokened up Chirurgeon lategame

[primal nest]

Or atleast shut them down fast

[glacial junco]

Its a tie game the like 3 times we've played but

[primal nest]

With a ton of slow

[glacial junco]

If there is a map objective its a fine matchup

[umbral cipher]

Map objectives would probably fix it easily yeah

Higher Malice ain't a bad idea either

[glacial junco]

I lose more than i've won with map objectives

Higher malice gives them way mor advantage than igorri gets IMO but I'm clearly biased

[primal nest]

Yeah I have only played spite so far unfortunately

[glacial junco]

Necrocide just murders anything not my doc or my chirurgeon

And setting up is hard to do quickly enough

[primal nest]

My Igorri friend didn’t even pick his necro upgrades and it still stalled out

[umbral cipher]

I was playing a iggori/mox game as said Iggori and it was like
round 5, they Foul Vapored my ass and I was about to take like 14 damage
until my turn swung around and I could just speed token Scooby-Doo skedaddle out of there

burning Vit to just walk through the hazard wall

[glacial junco]

I honestly thing taking stiches and just killing one turn one with marriage for lycan/Homon is the plan

[primal nest]

Yep

[glacial junco]

Thatway you also get 1 soul to use with wild mutagen for whoever goes next with the corpses

[primal nest]

Then you sample genome the homunc to another unit

[glacial junco]

Sample is 3 i thought

[primal nest]

It is

But honestly that not hard to setup up round 2

[glacial junco]

Uggg i wish i could do all that without being annoying as hell to my opponent but its just the best thing to do any deviation just ends up kneecapping you

Thats been the group complaint is that as soon as I get any tokens Its the most annoying thing in the world and all I can do is go

[primal nest]

It is so hard to clear off tokens off of Igorri

They get so many so fast

[primal flame]

Like popeye eating his spinach

[glacial junco]

Because to not is to DIE

[primal nest]

Ye

[primal flame]

~~I avoid getting complaints about igorri’s token stacking by simply losing/drawing every match I play as igorri ~~

[glacial junco]

I mean same honestly

I still fight on with my lads

[primal nest]

Honestly drawing is more infuriating to me than losing

I have enough humility where taking a loss only just encourages me to get better

[primal flame]

I prefer draws if i cant win. I didnt win but i didnt lose either

[glacial junco]

Fuck that I live up to the malice level spite. You didnt win! /S

[primal flame]

[primal nest]

Drawing makes me go: damn i could be drawing instead

[glacial junco]

Me an igorri player with max vit
Lol
Lmao.

[primal nest]

Me the poor mox player

https://tenor.com/view/asakusa-midori-bbb-beebeebee-but-i-was-thinking-more-like-laser-sounds-gif-16540459