MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[crisp night]

with mox there's very clearly defined styles you can fuck with and it's fun

[haughty locust]

i think the funniest 0 upgrades mox list is 6 scum and 2 leeches with mox populi as the bonus soul ability. probably not good, but very funny

[crisp night]

idk who to play next

[pseudo flicker]

Thats the case for most factions

Abhorrers, you can go full in on the clock, delay attacks to make them stronger

Or be based/basic and go full in on vitality and tankiness

Then some of their builds can just be played differently depending on the mood

You can take vitality roster and go full in on hazards

[crisp night]

i need to play abhorrers

[pseudo flicker]

Make it feel like you are a mox player

My personal black mass is
Holy body, 3 penitents, 1 antipriest
Grand oath
Everything else depends on the mood xd

[crisp night]

even post vitality nerf holy body seems too good not to take

i will always bring a tyrant i think

[pseudo burrow]

is grand oath the only strength generation in abhorrers

bc it feels so... non negotiable

[naive glacier]

its by design

abhorrers come online a little slow

you guys have played so much maleghast guys

[pseudo burrow]

not enough imo

playing with my roommates tomorrow and im extremely excited

[pseudo flicker]

Tyrants are always fun zo take imo

[spice stag]

I havent played enough. I'm addicted

[pseudo flicker]

Doesnt mea culpa grant strength or is it also vitality

[rugged cloud]

I have never actually played with Grand Oath, I just sit there and be resilent

and wait

[pseudo burrow]

it does grant str but i think i forgot bc ive only played against a spite goregrinder

[rugged cloud]

Slowly, Sharply

[pseudo burrow]

in which mea culpa has no negative tokens to remove

and thus no str to generate

[crisp night]

it's hilarious how many messages this channel has

[rugged cloud]

Abhorror
Spite
The Brotherhood Of Boiling Wax
Necromancer:Vitus Harris(Winter Rose Stance,Starmetal Shuriken, Supreme Sword Art: Safflower Cut)
Lord Fireside: Holy Body
Brother Rose: Zealot
Brother Velvet: Inqusitor
Brother Lavender: Pentient
Brother Apple: Pentient

this is my army

[willow gust]

I like the Blasphemous vibes of the abhorrer units

[pseudo flicker]

I still call penitents "penitent ones" every time

[crisp night]

i really need to play the blasphemous dlc

and 2

[elfin ermine]

I'm still trying to rotate the necromancer builds in my mind

[primal nest]

Exactly

[elfin ermine]

their core traits a little more reactive than Mox or Igorri, isn't so much something you can build around / will turn games consistently

so I'm still trying to figure out if keeping them back or keeping them bunched up with the melee tanks is the play

[elfin ermine]

Winter Rose + Shuriken 🤝

tell me how it ends up playing for you, I haven't had much success with it lol

[small locust]

ABHORRERS v GARGAMOX, GARGAMOX victory thanks to Unholy Vapors dealing a total of 6 Damage to the Excorsist

[primal nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164643959721693184/1169749911210840176/84px3j.gif?ex=6556897f&is=6544147f&hm=dfd99a9d49b46d55e8e3fd67dbe9cfbf6ee9b5a28c2ab5bfa8609720dfe108e5&

[elfin ermine]

THE GOOP

[small locust]

DA GOOP

[rugged cloud]

Oh I have been doing pretty great!

[small locust]

My friend and I's post Garg V Abhorrors pre-game convo

[lyric fog]

So <@&1169764878454620231> anyone up for a game? I have the rules but I've never played.

[rancid girder]

sure

[lone perch]

Sorry if this has been answered already but I can’t seem to find a clear statement on how a unit with 1 HP and Blood Rage interacts with damage that cannot slay units, any insight?

[bleak folio]

they stay at 1 hp and dont activate blood rage

cannot slay just means cannot reduce hp to 0

[cinder isle]

oh, has tom said anything about that?

because it's presently unclear afaik

[fathom phoenix]

if you step 1 while you're in adverse terrain, you can't move anywhere, right?

cuz it's technically not a MOVE

[devout pulsar]

What’s the exact wording on adverse terrain

[devout pulsar]

I’d say you can’t move anywhere yeah

[fathom phoenix]

movement refresher

[devout pulsar]

Cause adverse terrain doesn’t specify the penalty is on move

[fathom phoenix]

there's that rule that says "a character can always move at least one space when they MOVE, even if the total movement cost to do so would be too high"

but step isn't a MOVE, so

[devout pulsar]

Yeah

[fathom phoenix]

that's also my reading

so igorii Stitch Fix on a unit in adverse terrain doesn't actually move it anywhere lol

tyyy

[junior cliff]

sorry if someone's already asked this but is this playable hex or only square? searching is weird in forum threads

[rancid girder]

as far as I am aware square only

[rancid girder]

CARCASS vs Goregrinders: 8x8, 5 slots, 0 DP

CARCASS: Gun Kata/Level 4 Cannon/Frag bullet, EGIS, 2x Enforcer, Barrelform, Goblin
Goregrinders: Blood Rush/Apoplexy/Blood Boil, Berzerker, 2x Painwheel, 2x Warhead, Pain ghoul

Result: CARCASS victory turn 3 by Necromancer kill

Thoughts:

1. Painwheels hurt a lot. They're very fast and spin out deals a lot of armor piercing damage. In the future against double painwheel lists I might consider forming a brick in the corner to deny movement
2. Against anti-CARCASS goregrinder lists I might want to put in more focus fire. A carnifex using wild slashes in the wrong place could hit my entire roster.
3. Enforcer flashbangs are golden. Guaranteed hit effects (AoEs on walls, flashbangs, deathmark) are generally strong because of their consistency.
4. Living cannon shots on deploy zone are still really good

[spice stag]

Can painwheel hit a unit with spinout if that unit is standing in a corner tile? With the way its worded i don't think so?

[rancid girder]

nope

[spice stag]

lol i thought so. not that it matters dps wise since its melee attack is better. i just think thats pretty funny.

[rancid girder]

spin out deals fire

which can be important against armored lists

[spice stag]

true and its melee is only potentially better since it requires effect rolls for maximum damage.

[rancid girder]

yeah

and exfoliate does nothing to armor

[spice stag]

lol true. three hits of nothing

[tiny fulcrum]

Without Strength, sure

Which is easy to get for them

[spice stag]

so theoretically a single squared unit with armor could sit the corner and the painwheel couldn't damage it at all lol

[lyric fog]

Theoretically. The Painwheel can gain Speed and use it as Strength though

[rancid girder]

it can spin out to get speed then exfoliate the next turn

[tiny fulcrum]

Then the Painghoul gives it two Speed tokens and it hits for 2 instead

[spice stag]

does it gain the 2 speed regardless if it hits a unit?

[tiny fulcrum]

Yes

[spice stag]

damn

no hard counter then

[tiny fulcrum]

Painwheels can also pull via Barbed Wheels once upgrades enter the picture

Loller have all your games been at Spite so far?

[rancid girder]

I think one game at malice that I didn't write an AAR for

but generally yes

honestly I'd like to play a game at malice just to start playing around with unit upgrades

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah I think you should

Unit upgrades change the landscape a lot

[rancid girder]

I suspect that CARCASS might have an advantage at spite because the faction is the most fully online of any of them at 0 upgrades

which is probably also why I'm struggling to find stuff that I want to pick

[tiny fulcrum]

That's definitely part of it :p

[crisp night]

i've been playing hatred and loathing matches now

hatred feels great

[devout pulsar]

Hatred is 10?

[rancid girder]

hatred is 7

[devout pulsar]

Ah

[rancid girder]

lot of upgrades though

[devout pulsar]

I’m not used to the names I just use the numbers

[tiny fulcrum]

I think the game is probably gonna get played at Hatred

[devout pulsar]

4 or 7

[tiny fulcrum]

You got enough budget to upgrade all your dudes + tool up your Necro

Sorry, 7

[devout pulsar]

No I’m saying I think it’ll be played at 4 or 7

[tiny fulcrum]

Oohh

Yeah

Ironically I can see 12 too

Because double unit upgrades wraps right around to not bloating the Necro too much

Which I think 10 falls victim to

[devout pulsar]

12 just feels excessive but double upgrades does offset it

[tiny fulcrum]

Once folks get a healthy amount of experience, who knows

[rancid girder]

double upgrades gives you places to spend the points

10 is almost too many

[tiny fulcrum]

I agree

[devout pulsar]

Realistically it’ll just depend on the TO

[rancid girder]

since that's all the units and like, five to six necromancer upgrades

err

five units, 10 tokens

I am not good at math

[devout pulsar]

Late night again?

[rancid girder]

it's only 1:30

but I am about to sleep

[crisp night]

ive been blasting the risk of rain ost while making a carcass list and it's influencing my decision making

must not make full cqc operator build

[lyric fog]

Had my first game (thanks again Loller) & I do have to say, I didn't win but I feel like Goregrinder was a lot of fun and I did pretty well (although I did lose) while also being very characterful (ie I wound up dealing damage to my own side a good bit)

[rancid girder]

it was very close

and yeah you played really well

good charges and spin outs

[lyric fog]

And while I did lose (Necro got Flashbanged into a fire hazard) I did get my Necro a Glory Kill on an EGIS which is, I think, a sort of moral victory.

[crisp night]

it absolutely is

[devout pulsar]

Flashbang so good

[lyric fog]

(also do we know what EGIS stands for, or...?)

[pale echo]

Pun on aegis

[lyric fog]

ahhh

[languid lotus]

Extreme Gun Interdictor Skeleton

[turbid gyro]

Does anyone have experience with goregrinders on a 6x6 map? Because honestly an 8x8 sometimes felt difficult to maneuver around so I wouldn't hit my own guys with berserk, and I may just have to drop the berserker from my roster for a 6x6

[last crow]

Egregiously Gorgeous, Incredible Shot

[turbid gyro]

Enter Gun Into Skeleton

Also, was it the correct reading that a Lycan with Bloody Slashes deals 1 damage to primary target, then one damage to everything around it including the primary target again? And so can apply strength to each instance of the damage?

[last crow]

Yes

[turbid gyro]

Then it could be classified as a "bad idea" to tell my friend with the lycan this, leading to me being nuked for half my hp, understood 🫡

[last crow]

Yeah but tell 'em anyways so you can have them fuck on your other friends

Also because it's nice

[ruby dagger]

What is Ward? I see it referenced in a move that says it ignores ward, but can't find ward anywhere else in the book

[last crow]

Ward is Magic Armour

[ruby dagger]

That makes a lot more sense now thank you

so when something says "ignores armor", does that not automatically include magic armor?

[pale echo]

I think it does

[turbid gyro]

I did, it lost me the game but it was a lot of fun and got them back into it after feeling like they had few options

[cyan rune]

are walls my enemy for antipriest's censor

'cause they fuckin' feel like my enemy

[cinder isle]

yeah they used to be called just Armor and Ward, and this was changed to be a bit clearer

so now anything that references armor is understood to interact with all applicable types

[spiral gale]

i’m so glad the update changed that.

[supple kiln]

how do i get the update maleghast when i paid for the original one ?

on itch.io

[spiral gale]

go on itch io and at the top right you can open a menu where there should be a My library button. Should take you to a page where you just click download under maleghast and it will give you a list of the downloads.

[pseudo flicker]

I think you always move at least 1 square if you are moving, and steps irc are free movement

[zinc solstice]

Late addition to the topic, but that's one of the reasons Barbed Wheel exist

[eager berry]

Love Maleghast being made as "oh this is a fun quick little thing" and then smashcut to us fucking inhaling this game

[ocean bloom]

Yes

[celest jay]

Joined this server just to say I am in love with this game it's very cool 👍

[charred glacier]

Welcome!! Mery Ghasting!

[celest jay]

Ty ty I'm hoping I can find some people to play with here

[devout pulsar]

we've got a role to ping for games

want me to give it to you?

[spiral gale]

like a maleghast ping role? I would take it

[charred glacier]

Ooh, could I get one of those

[charred glacier]

oh hecc, love ur pfp

[spiral gale]

thank you! I just played a game with holy body and oh boy I like your pfp now

[devout pulsar]

there you both ho

go

[spiral gale]

thank you 🦧

[open vessel]

I'd like a maleghast role too pls :3

[devout pulsar]

my brother is a ginger

got you fray

[charred glacier]

Holy Body is such a Vibe

[spiral gale]

super armor and vitality is no joke

[charred glacier]

Never had the mechanical experience of floatng through a room muttering the name of god and the heavens raining down quite like I do with the Holy Body

my first game involved a surrealist double-antipriest Holy Body vs Carcass matchup in which I ensured a hellish immortal stalemate, it was wild

[spiral gale]

DOUBLE ANTIPRIEST. that sounds insane

[charred glacier]

The list could not deal damage, but by the hells could it NOT Die

I also had hte Necro spamming Grand Oath almost every turn

I have uh... learned a lot since then

[spiral gale]

we were playing on the old maggie mode so when I played I was very nervous about reaching round 6

[devout pulsar]

for a king of the hill game mode you wouldn't need to kill

[charred glacier]

The secret was that I didn't know how to use the penitents in my list, which was really hampering me

I think I eitehr need to replace them with Zealots or try out these Inquisitors and just have the rest of the list play frontline defense for them, let the Inquisitors do all the damage behind a wall of unholy light

[spiral gale]

I played deadsouls against abhorrent and just kidnapped the leader and spammed walls. very funny game

[charred glacier]

so hyped for deadsouls, they are the next faction for me to figure out

[spiral gale]

I thought they looked kind of lame and not my style but after playing they might be one of my favourites

[charred glacier]

I wsa honestly waiting for the nerf I heard was coming down the pipe anyway

the trick is I gotta figure what cool thing I want their wall to look like

Pile of Skulls? Inverted cross made of rebar? Giant spike of stone? Ruptured chunk of Cathedral?

I gotta figure out their vibe

or the vibe of that ability in particular

[terse depot]

They definitely want malice, but then so does everyone but CARCASS

[charred glacier]

idk, I've had real luck with everyone at level 0 *so far

The meme Igorii list ripped and tore like nothing else when I figured out how to make the engine go

the trick is that the Stitches are actually just the necrotic equivalent of pumpkins full of hamburger meat for the Lycans to bat about their enclosure

[terse depot]

A littttle lost on what a good 0 Malice list for them would be, but I imagine that Monolith Every Round and as nany banshee as you can take is a good start

Put on Sub Rosa, unleash the Wall

What was the meme igori list?

[spiral gale]

I took 2 chosen. Kidnap is pretty amazing and having 2 gives you better chances to catch your opponent near a wall. I only took 1 banshee but the ranged wall place is sooo good. I'd definitely take 2 the next time I play them.

[spiral gale]

^ this.

[charred glacier]

Chirurgeon
+Accelerated Evolution
+New Maerial (I barely used it so a more optomized list might not need to take it)
+Recycle(The funniest way to kill a necromancer)
2x Lycan,
1x Strigoi,
6xStitch

The first turn I had the chance to have the Strigoi spit corpses, and max out one Lycan, then just start duping the tokens and festooning the board in corpses

the final boardstate was an incredible "no enemy units slain, enemy necro finished with a recycle"

the meatwall was unreal

[terse depot]

Incredible. I mixed Igorri into a four malice CARCASS list to really make a blob of gunwights hit like trains

[charred glacier]

I even had a special super jacked stitch trying to chase their necro acros the board

[charred glacier]

That sounds rad as hell

[open vessel]

What's the community's verdict on Chop docs? I just love the concept of the Marriage ability

[devout pulsar]

super necessary

at least imo

[open vessel]

I'm running
2x Chop doc
1x Lycan
1x Homonculus
2x Stitch

Because I don't value my thralls

[devout pulsar]

i've yet to play any heresy

[open vessel]

Except for dog chow for the lycan

My game plan is killing the stitches turn 1, then sculpt flesh + bloodgorger to create two abominations and just rip and tear

But I do play against Gargamox a lot so maybe 2 chop docs are only good on my meta

Plague is scary

[terse depot]

6 Gunwights - Recycle Ammo
1 Chop Doc
1 Homunculus
Operator with: Clutch Reload, New Material, Shotgun, Devil Bullet, Double Tap, STG

[charred glacier]

Chop docs can also marriage themselves which jsut seems Real Good

[open vessel]

Oh wait they can??

Oh god a new world of possibilities opened for me

[terse depot]

You never really notice how much Strength carcass has until you mutate them

[charred glacier]

Carcass does So Much Damage

tbh, I really wanna see if I can make the sixgun work

[terse depot]

A gun for every hand, claw, and tentacle!

Alternatively, why are the gunwights fast now

[charred glacier]

My favorite part is the Gunwight push. It is so funny, so beautiful, so not-technically-an-attack-and-therefore-you-don't-have-to-roll

[terse depot]

Gunwight push into STG is the single best thing in the world

[devout pulsar]

i'm a flasbang loyalist

[terse depot]

Flashbang is the incredible, and frankly, much more practical variant

Flashbangs Great

[charred glacier]

Flashbangs are So Good

They almost stole my Holy-Body stalemate from me

tbh, they would have done a lot more if I hadn't set the holy-body on top of that 2x2 spike pit for the express purpose of deactivating it

[prime portal]

Think fast chucklenuts

[terse depot]

My favourite Abhorrers strat has to be the Enrage is near one

Where you simply anger the angel until everyone is dust

[rugged cloud]

This has vibes

[umbral cipher]

me irl

[rugged cloud]

Using this as homebrew inspiration or something

[ocean bloom]

Paranormal investigator seeking curiosity collector for long term or short term arrangement. Any Urban legends please send pics.

[terse depot]

I thiiiink- First guess, Zero Malice Deadsouls:

2 Banshee
2 Chosen
1 Bound Devil
Dark Priest w/ Puppet Master, Great Urgal Blade, Writhing Sinews

With 4 Malice, You'd want like...Doom Bells on the Banshee, Tombraiser on the Chosen, Death Toll on the Tyrant, and frozen hell on the Priest

It is kind of hard to doom someone at zero malice and your faction has poor damage, so spam a billion walls, pick off straglers, and get used to using your Priest a lot

[lyric fog]

Unrelated to anything, but I do kind of love how specific the Bone Carapace Devil is as a concept for one of the big Houses.

[terse depot]

They do bones

[spiral gale]

How would you feel about sacrifices over a bound devil? I think the soul advantage, decent pull with beckon and terrain they generate are pretty useful for isolating units. Perhaps I'm underestimating the usefulness of the Bound Devil though.

[terse depot]

I definitely thought about it-and you could always use more SOUL to burn

[spiral gale]

Cyclopean Monolith is sooo good imo. so getting extra uses of that makes them pretty good, well, sacrifices lol

[lost kernel]

I find the bound devil is sort of the best / only way for burst damage on deadsouls, so it's useful if you're up against super armor or the like

Aside from doomed of course

[spiral gale]

against Abhorrent I had no real way to get past the vitality and super armor with Vizighoul being my best damage. So I just kidnapped the mancer and spammed a bazillion walls. I haven't used bound devil so I'm definitely not educated on its usage

but damn deadsouls are fun.

[charred glacier]

Hey y'all, I've been thinking about potentially streaming some Malaghast on Twitch, but I haven't seen anyone else do any self-promo style styff abd U wabt ti ve respectful of folks and of the space. If I was perhaps going to stream Malaghast on twitch, where might I post that (if indeed I where to post it at all)

I wanna make sure I'm doin good by ppl, I just feel like folks would enjoy both the lets play and the supervillain monologues this game reduces me and my pals to instantaneously

[devout pulsar]

could absolutely chuck a link in here

[spiral gale]

wow that sounds super fun. looking forward to it ??

[open vessel]

I haven't seen anyone do maleghast content online, I'd kill for some videos or streams

[spiral gale]

^^^ I'd love to watch some battle reports or faction analysis. All I've seen so far are reviews

[devout pulsar]

idk if anyone has enough experience for full on faction analysis but some battle reports would be cool

[spiral gale]

oh yeah that’s totally true.

[real bane]

River is adverse, tall dunes are elevation and adverse, cacti are hazards. Didn't have anything in mind for the short dunes.

[lyric fog]

cool!

Goregrinder question: if an ACT grants Berserk, does it trigger after the ACT that granted it?
I would've assumed yes but that would make Ignite and Building Rage a lot less useful

[latent sun]

Still insane how pretty Loop Hero is

[grave warren]

Tom has said it doesn't

[lyric fog]

cool ool

ty

[umbral cipher]

<@&1169764878454620231> hmm, alright, anybody interested in playtesting some of my homebrew faction Rickertock with me today?

[bleak folio]

depends on time but id be up for it

[umbral cipher]

I've got all day, really
When works for you?

[spice stag]

I can play later too

in like an hour or two

[pseudo flicker]

I can do so now

[bleak folio]

whats this -> <t:1699830044:t> for u

[umbral cipher]

Bout 5:00 PM
should work if nothing comes up

[bleak folio]

alr alr id be up for a game at <t:1699831806:t> then

[umbral cipher]

o7
in the meantime,

[umbral cipher]

Yeah sure let's rock

[pseudo flicker]

Nvm my partner immediately called me to watch madoka

My condolences

[bleak folio]

magical girl maleghast

[umbral cipher]

Haha

No worries

[lyric fog]

Now I'm wondering which Faction would work best as magical girls.
And I'm thinking it might be Deadsouls.
"The power of the dead god Gormengorr will punish you!"

[real bane]

https://www.spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/loophero/sheet/209829/

My sheet got approved!!

(sorry, kind of tangential to Maleghast, it's just relevant to myself and others who use the game as a tileset for maps)

[umbral cipher]

oh rad

[lapis willow]

imo CARCASS!
It's why I grabbed these to print up as Operator options for in-person games(:

[devout pulsar]

carcass transformation but it's just growing a bone suit of armour

[tacit cedar]

I reckon that's how their power armour that's mentioned works

like the bone bits of the iconic are an actual skeleton bone-saied into power armour

[devout pulsar]

probably not all at once

but yeah

[junior elbow]

What are these I need them

[bleak folio]

this implies carcass would also make for an excellent sentai/power ranger team

[devout pulsar]

yes

and?

[umbral cipher]

it would

[bleak folio]

boneger

[pseudo flicker]

making your own is always an option

[lyric fog]

True!

[lyric fog]

"The Bone Ranger" also works as a cowboy joke, meaning it applies to C.A.R.C.A.S.S. on multiple levels

[devout pulsar]

i'd bone loud gunshot

[lapis willow]

Here's the creator & the collection they're a part of!
https://www.myminifactory.com/users/Marchen Atelier/collection/magical-girl-assault

[lyric fog]

So people who've played Goregrinder vs CARCASS:
Which Necro Trait do folks think is the most useful? I played last night & picked Blood Rush, the worst one (I somehow had the idea that retaliate ignores armor).
I could see either of the other two coming in handy

[real bane]

Blooming Peaks

Living, blooming flowers still exist, painting the mountain chain north of the City in a variety of colors.

Stones are stairs, mountains are elevation, and mountain peaks are walls. The flowers have a mellowing effect. Characters ending their turn in a blooming meadow space gain 1 weak and 1 vitality.

[lyric fog]

ohh, pretty

[opaque socket]

cool loop hero tiles !

[lapis willow]

ence, do u have your tiles compiled some place? your maps are so good! (Also I love the short description🫶)

[real bane]

I just got them posted to The Spriter's Resource, actually!

[lapis willow]

This is such a good resource, ty!!

[lyric fog]

Pondering Abhorers, and all the token ACTs on the Exorcist are super cool and probably useful, I just can't help feeling that blessed shuriken are a) super cool and b) even more Alexander Anderson than the concept already is.

[stoic gate]

if i want to play a game or two, would i post that here?

[pale echo]

Ye
Ping the Maleghast tag for an alert

[umbral cipher]

You can indeed! We have a role for the game you can ping

[stoic gate]

great

i played my first game last week and enjoyed it so ive been looking for a game group

[umbral cipher]

Hell yeah

[stoic gate]

dealing 9 damage off a berserker in blood rage is funny, but i get the feeling goregrinders aren't remotely the best faction

[pale echo]

They're fast and can take out priority targets early

[stoic gate]

that's fair, i also still havent tried the 2 painghoul + 3 painwheel dream team yet

[umbral cipher]

The factions seem fairly on the bar with each other, there's just poorer matchups than others

[lyric fog]

Looking at it, I do feel like Goregrinders might be the most direct of the factions.

[stoic gate]

i will say it was fun to run all the warheads at my friend full force, and blood rage was a nice balance against miracle

but wow if he put his holy body on the front line isntead of sandwiched at the back i wouldve got wiped. super armor is p good

[timber onyx]

someone should start collecting match report data

and seeing how stuff actually fares statistically

[night hedge]

honestly tho you still just go around it with your warheads

you have the movement to and they just. aren't gonna touch it

only things you have that can put a dent in it are warheads, berserkers and some variants of warlord

[stoic gate]

it was a 2v2 so i imagine it was tighter than a usual 1v1 game

i definitely want to try the soul doom guys next

building walls and then banshee screaming through them seems fun

[night hedge]

molotov cocktails of the SLIME

[rich scarab]

Those are actually just how they're supposed to be drank, free plague token won the back of every bottlecap

[spice stag]

<@&1169764878454620231> Anyone up for a quick duel on Roll20?

[autumn crescent]

In like 45 minutes I should probably be good.

[spice stag]

alrighty sounds good. Do you have a malice level youd like to play at?

[autumn crescent]

I've planned two games and both were cancelled, so I've got no experience. Spite preferred.

[spice stag]

Alrighty. I'll send you my black mass and the map well play on in the dms then you can send me your and i'll send you the link in 45 mins

[autumn crescent]

I'm in a dnd game atm, so I'll hit you back when I get a sec

[spice stag]

np

[stoic gate]

you guys interested in a 3-for-all?

there's a good tabletop simulator maleghast plug

[tired bolt]

feel free to ping the maleghast role if you're looking for people to play with rn

[lyric fog]

Just want to throw out how much I love these little things in Tom's artstyle.
The whole anachronistic mash-up in Anzenmezzeron, a lot like Throne, where you have sword martial artists and sorcery along with zippered patched jackets and fancy sneakers

[spice stag]

Is ttsim free?

[stoic gate]

ah no, one-time purchase at some price

prob around $20 USB

USD*

[spice stag]

I'm kind of a brokie rn so I don't think I can buy it. Also I don't have any free for for all maps ready on roll20 unless you do

Also I think it's her first match so I think she would probably want to start with the 1v1

[candid monolith]

r20 resources have been flung around here a bit I don't remember if they're pinned

[spice stag]

You mean the map maker?

[candid monolith]

Yeah plus it's kind of easy to just go like

"red squiggle is hazard"

Make your tokens on like the free stamp makers etc

[spice stag]

https://alessandrominali.github.io/maleghast/map.html?w=8&h=8

theres the map maker for you

[candid monolith]

Nice

Every rpg and wargame ice done in r20 is the most jank shit ever produced by humankind

But it works

[spice stag]

Once you learn how tokens work well and the ruler tool it becomes pretty intuitive

[pseudo flicker]

it is still majorly janky

i personally currently play in a dnd game and in a dark heresy game

dnd is run with tableplop, dark heresy through roll20

its on the technical side imo that the problem lies, roll20 just has those weird artifacts like visual bugs here and there depending on your zoom, random elements that are unnecessarily complicated, etc

i would say that its just consequences of it being old af

[umbral cipher]

roll20 is jank but it is free

owlbear is a solid tabletop but I have no clue how to track hp or tokens on the board

Tabletop Simulator is just a good investment when you can

Since you can play, well, anythin on it

[open vessel]

I personally don't like Tabletop Simulator for RPGs

It's great for wargames and boardgames but I usually do roll20 for that

[umbral cipher]

For an RPG I don't think it works no

And it's almost too much for maleghast

But for board games, card games, ect, tis the dream

[pseudo flicker]

i dont like tabltopsim for rpgs because its basically impossible to make a 3d map in it, which in turn makes it weird

[open vessel]

This

Also I prefer top down view for rpgs

[pseudo flicker]

roll20 is already a 2d environment and theres a ton of tools to work with that

[open vessel]

So roll20 works better for me

[pseudo flicker]

my gm for dh makes maps for us in illwinter map designer

[umbral cipher]

Maleghast works in TTS but tokens are a bit too fiddly

[pseudo flicker]

i think tokens in tts maleghast are fun

they are fiddly in a good way

i like my funny coins

[umbral cipher]

I don't mind having a pile of em to stack up but they don't easily stack like, on the units nor is there somewhere else to put them

[open vessel]

I put them on the unit cards

But it might not be visually clear to some people

I play mostly Igorri so I need a lot of space to put tokens hahaha

[umbral cipher]

unit cards.....

[pseudo flicker]

i put tokens in the square of the unit xd

just around them

[umbral cipher]

Yeah but then moving them gets weird

Especially if there's other stuff on that space

[spiral gale]

^^^ this

makes tokens very easy to manage

[pseudo flicker]

but then you dont get to see something as scary as this lmao

[spiral gale]

same vibe

the fact there is enough strength on that board to beat 2 final forms and then some

[pseudo flicker]

we were playtesting my homebrew faction and kinda ended up both cooking for the entire first TWO rounds xd

the holy body was so scary

[short cloud]

cool lighting

[pseudo flicker]

thankies

[rancid girder]

I usually set up a grid of unit cards then put the tokens to the left of the cards

[real bane]

Macrat's Frigid Crypt

Sworn to protecting the crypt, bound souls emit petrifying beams from their holding crystals.

The crystals share 12 HP and have def 2+. At the end of the round, both the top and bottom pair each emit a line 3, aiming at wherever will hit the most units, with effect: units gain 1 slow (5+) 999 slow. Whichever side lands the killing blow on the crystals wins.

[spice stag]

Gargamox v C.A.R.C.A.S.S. Gargamox win round 4 with slime.

definitely need to take gun kata against them for mid game.

[pure ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbcWGVsAvOY This is what Maleghast is, to me

[spice stag]

LOL

[night hedge]

a 4vBoss mode could be cool

[spice stag]

tyrant with alot of health and crazy abilities?

[rancid girder]

probably multiple actions too

[spice stag]

definitely have to be a larger map as well

[spiral gale]

maybe something like the old maggy scenario but with extra rules

[celest jay]

Anyone got anything for Foundry cooking yet?
I tried setting up all the tokens and maps, but I was struggling to create all the cards/tokens/terrain without a dedicated system.
I'm also not a foundry pro 😔

[torn portal]

tehre is a couple of things on the pins but they are not easy to set up

at least I had problems with it, but I'm not a foundry pro either

[celest jay]

👍, might just stick with TTS then (I haven not actually gotten to try playing yet lol)

[torn portal]

I followed this tutorial, and while I had to figure out some stuff myself, it worked

[craggy iron]

a couple questions, since I can't search them up in the book:
one, do corpse tokens do anything beyond being fuel for actions and soul abilities?
two, is engagement (+1 movement to leave a space adjacent to a foe) still a thing?

[crisp night]

1. no
2. no

at least as far as im aware corpses don't do anything but be useful for gargamox or igorri

but i do know for sure there's no engagement

[craggy iron]

gotcha, thank you

[pseudo flicker]

corpses also look cool

[stoic gate]

Foundry would be nice but tbh TTS gets the job done. A foundry plug-in would make it more video gamey tho which would be neat

[umbral cipher]

@bleak folio oh almost forgor
You still wanna do a bit o' playtesting or nah

[bleak folio]

somethin just came up unfortunately

[umbral cipher]

no worries!

[lyric fog]

Friends, a question:
Would giving a C.A.R.C.A.S.S. operator the soubriquet "Prince of the Black Water" be in exceptionally poor taste?

[pale echo]

nah I think it's on-brand

[small locust]

Hey is the Homonculopus flesh whips effect determined by an effect roll or it's hit roll?

[lyric fog]

My read is that on a hit it does the splash damage automatically, and then you roll an effect roll to determine number (if any) of corpses.

I think the only effect that goes off the hit die result, rather than an effect die, is Headshot.

(Aside from the ones that always trigger on a hit)

[small locust]

Second question

[bright obsidian]

thank you so much!!!

[small locust]

If I have two strength tokens is it 2 damage + 2 splash damage, or just 2 damage+ 1 splash

[primal nest]

Strength is consumed per unit hit

So it’s 2 dmg+2 dmg on a unit in the area+ 1 to the rest

[small locust]

gotcha

[terse depot]

Bound Devil is the way to go- The problem with sacrifices is that they're an easy way to un-doom yourself

[crisp night]

can antipriest give your necromancer miracle

i'm assuming it can i'm just checking

i know it goes away at the end of the next turn and all but this is still an important factoid to know

[bleak folio]

assumin u mean delay judgement yea

ur necros still a unit

[silent sluice]

as it stands, you can give it to them, but we just aren't 100% that miracle actually works on your Necro. I think most people are treating it as working for now tho

[pale echo]

I don't think it goes away unless you "supercharge" the Miracle

[soft egret]

does Obliterate negate Blood Rage?

[silent sluice]

yes

Blood Rage is an effect that triggers when you reach 0 HP, which is what Obliterate ignores

[crisp night]

playing abhorrer v grinders

damn penitents can really fuck with grinders huh

you want to berserk me? mea culpa time

you want to hurt me? super armor time

[terse depot]

yep

[crisp night]

this abhorrers shit is serious

im starting to realize that having units as buff as they are makes up for lack of numbers

[rugged cloud]

WOOOO MALEGHAST W

Abhorrorrs win!!!!

Anti-Deadsouls taactics were on the dot

I even comboed the enemy necromancer

Safflower Cut+Relic Lance+(next turn) Starmetal Godsword

[crisp night]

i'm about to have an abhorrers win here in a minute too

this is the first time i've killed every enemy unit

good god

[rugged cloud]

I killed everyone except their Chosen

[woeful crater]

can you attack empty spaces with an attack?

[rugged cloud]

no but you can attack walls

[woeful crater]

that doesn't include the edges of the map i assume?

[crisp night]

haw haw haw

warlord made a last ditch attempt to kill me with a hellrider kick into self ignite into the slayer axe which dropped me to 2 health but i proceeded to then cut their head off

very very fun though

abhorrers have shot up very high on my list despite their lack of thralls which was originally waht turned me off from them

[rugged cloud]

They are very fun

[lost kernel]

I love your background pattern there

And yeah I just lost to abhorrers earlier, they're... interesting to play against

As deadsouls I ended up just focusing the exorcist and trying to get the super armor'd vitality'd immortal juggernauts out of the way with walls

[crisp night]

i just slapped it together with one of these tilesets in google drawings https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uCjWO3_QPlRIY5Yk4DkTf7TV4TCZFpYi

i did not create these tilesets

[lost kernel]

Oh sick, thank you

[crisp night]

my first match ever was souls v abhorrers

[lost kernel]

🤝

[rugged cloud]

Souls vs Abhorrers is a very fun matchup

[crisp night]

i only won by dragging the exorcist through a wall with kidnap and kicking the fuck out of them before their zealots could break the wall down

[rugged cloud]

Sorta pushes both out of their comfort zone

[woeful crater]

Do grazing blows trigger Strength?

[lost kernel]

It's the way for sure, I had sort of the opposite there where I was hiding the dark priest and kidnapping it out of a wall to attack and then run back

[rugged cloud]

Yes

[crisp night]

i feel like heresy mox and abhorrers would be absolutely asinine

[rugged cloud]

My big anti Dead Souls tech is actually penitents

[crisp night]

literally just as many hazards as feasibly possible

[rugged cloud]

I don’t run anti priests because they don’t really fit my game plan

[crisp night]

i ran one to give more vitality to the body as ammo and to the exorcist for defense

it did however get its skull shattered by a berserker

[rugged cloud]

I have Holy Body, Double Penitents, 1 Zealot and 1 Inquisitr

I’ve actually considered swapping the zealot out before for more inquisitors

[crisp night]

i tried to move it out of the way of approaching warheads and it opened it up for the berserker to walk in and crack it over the head

i want to make a ranged focus abhorrer team

[lost kernel]

Gonna try that tomorrow now

[crisp night]

inquisitors are terrifying

[rugged cloud]

Its definitely possible, inquisitors are very good

[lost kernel]

Actually hit me up tomorrow if you want to try it

[crisp night]

every abhorrer unit is very good tbh

[rugged cloud]

Big annoying thing is their 2-3 default range

[crisp night]

they make up for lack of numbers by just being incredibly buff

[rugged cloud]

Yeah, even anti priest is probably good despite it not really fitting my game plan

Which is “offensive god necromancer round 4+”

[crisp night]

my ranged focus would probably be holy body, two inquis, two penitents

penitents to form a defensive line to give the inquisitors and body time to rain hell

[lost kernel]

Antipriest is good for running a ton of penitents IMO

[elfin ermine]

I wasn't super impressed by Inquisitors but I only really made them my centerpiece against pre-nerf strigoi

[crisp night]

melee focus would be the same but zealots instead of inquisitors

[elfin ermine]

so they just seemed worse in comparison

[crisp night]

different exorcist abilities and traits for each too

for melee focus list i'd make the exorcist better at range and support

for ranged focus i'd make the exorcist better at melee and damage

[rugged cloud]

They are Abhorrors one way of dealing 2 damage

[crisp night]

well until late round

[rugged cloud]

Without conditionals or prep

[crisp night]

yeah

[elfin ermine]

fair

I switched to prep penitents more

[rugged cloud]

They are for when you just need to chunk someone with large physical damage

[elfin ermine]

but the default 2 damage is good enough

[crisp night]

penitents are so stupid

good stupid

[rugged cloud]

Yeah

[crisp night]

they were quite literally invincible in my grinders match earlier

because they had vitality all the time from grand oath

and uhhhhhh whatever the 1 soul ability is

absolution?

[rugged cloud]

I run my penitents mostly as supports when fighting dead souls

[crisp night]

point is there were 3 invincible bastards wandering around throwing holy water at their necromancer the whole time

[elfin ermine]

its like when a cat misbehaves

[rugged cloud]

Just run around telling the Devil worshippers to Mea Culp and Seethe

[crisp night]

you know what hold on

[lost kernel]

Mea culpa was the bane of my existence in that last match

[crisp night]

[lost kernel]

I got exactly one unit doomed to death and only with a really good soulfeed to drown it out with weak tokens

[rugged cloud]

Doom is better as a threat than an actual wincon imo

[crisp night]

currently my favorites list is

1. gargamox
2. abhorrers
3. goregrinders
4. deadsouls

[lost kernel]

Yeah, and the extra damage from the one attack

[rugged cloud]

I never actually got a doomed token my entire previous match, I’ve kinda figured out the anti deadsouls tactics

[crisp night]

doom is weird

in my match as deadsouls i only applied it once and it was already round 5

[rugged cloud]

Which is “if they are using more effort to isolate you then to attack you your winning”

[rugged cloud]

I’ve died to it before

[crisp night]

it is still a threat

i played a match AGAINST souls yesterday as mox and i got doomed midway through round 4 and ended up panicking

but the panic won me hte game

so

who's really the genius

i was originally saving soul to mox populi but i ended up using it to slime form through the enemy necro

dragged them into a hazard, dropped them to 1 health and they didn't have a unit in range that could pull them out of it before their turn

and they hadn't gone yet that round

[rugged cloud]

Getting Mox Populi and Corpse Explosion on a Igorri still seems very good

[crisp night]

oh extremely

[lost kernel]

I find it super hard to use the 6 soul abilities

[crisp night]

depends on your setup

[lost kernel]

Do you run several sets of thralls for that?

[rugged cloud]

Yeah

[crisp night]

my goregrinders list is literally 8 thralls and one berserker

so i can get devil impact ASAP

[rugged cloud]

Its thrall spam support

[lost kernel]

Incredible

[crisp night]

it worked

dropped the enemy necro to 5 health earlier and then i just sprinted up to them and devil impacted

and won

[rugged cloud]

The gunwight army has a lot of flaws but STG maxing does win if you can do it

[crisp night]

but mostly it's funny

i may do carcass as literally just ten wights

and bloat my necro as much as possible with different options

[lost kernel]

I see the STG strategy, that's very funny

[woeful crater]

Does splash use a Strength for every enemy hit by it?

[elfin ermine]

all of Carcass' 1 soul options are pretty great

[elfin ermine]

yes

[woeful crater]

and you burn a strength for each enemy?

[lost kernel]

Yep

[crisp night]

operator in general is just very strong

every necro has things that make them scary in their own way

but operator has a lot of really good combat options

[lost kernel]

Have you ever tried melee operator

On the topic of funny more than good

[crisp night]

havent tried carcass at all

[rugged cloud]

The exorcist is scary but only late game

[elfin ermine]

Operators are very spooky

[rugged cloud]

Until then they are made to be chokeslammed

[elfin ermine]

the STR tokens are no joke

[crisp night]

but with the shotgun and gun kata and overwatch i feel like cqcperator could actually work out well

[rugged cloud]

Also Operators can deal 2 damage with their basic attack

[elfin ermine]

yeah I noticed Exorcists are a lot less self-contained than the other necros

[lost kernel]

Yep, combo with ammo goblin curse whatever that's called

[crisp night]

3 damage default ability in the godsword is no joke

especially with vitality generation

[rugged cloud]

I said late game

Round 5+ is late game

[crisp night]

that's why i was agreeing

though i maybe didn't actually indicate that

Oops

[rugged cloud]

Ooooooh

[elfin ermine]

Mox, Igorri, and Carcass all generate tokens for themselves or allies, but Exorcists are really playing for round 4+

[crisp night]

i may take starmetal shuriken on my exorcist

[elfin ermine]

more reliant on their other units to get there

[rugged cloud]

I have gotten a lot of spectacular use out of it

[crisp night]

i'm gonna take lance on the inquisitor team and shuriken on the zealot team

[rugged cloud]

That or relic lance

[lost kernel]

That's the other funny about abhorrers v deadsouls, they're both stalling and then great urghal blade + stances come out

[crisp night]

im glad i like abhorrers gameplay because they quite frankly are my favorite faction in almost every aspect

[rugged cloud]

Oh yeah its great

[crisp night]

favorite soundtrack, favorite aesthetic, favorite lore

[lost kernel]

Has anyone made a youtube playlist of all the soundtracks yet?

[crisp night]

blaring opeth as i hit the enemy with a round 6 merciful snowdrop cut into starmetal godsword

[lost kernel]

Gonna go look that up

[terse depot]

Gunwight blobs are really all or nothing. Enforcers require much less support?

[crisp night]

i think that 10 gunwights is too much of a meme for me to go for but i might do that anyway

because it's funny

[rugged cloud]

6 Gunwights 2 enforcers

Is pretty good

Give you your soul battery

While giving you staying power

[terse depot]

Six gunwights with Scavenge ammo, a doc, and a homunculus for heresy, also pretty good

Strongwights

[elfin ermine]

Heresy Garg + Carcass
Ammo Goblins
Hosts
call that Gym Rats

might actually be something with boneshards and the amount of push tbh

[crisp night]

and giving strength tokens to use with driving vermin and infect

[elfin ermine]

mhm

[terse depot]

Yeah boneshards is kind of brutal with push or pull

[crisp night]

carcass abhorrers...

inquisitors + holy body + ammo goblins

[terse depot]

Works well

[crisp night]

literally just snipers and their SAM turret

[terse depot]

Grand Oath is grand Oath

[crisp night]

this also

[stoic gate]

i literally tried to kill ONE inquisitor last week and he miracle'd 6 times

[pale echo]

dying is a skill issue

[crisp night]

holy hell

literally

my antipriest earlier did revive with miracle after being krumped by a berserker but then a warhead ran up and cut him in half

he didnt get up after that

[stoic gate]

just use weighted dice

[elfin ermine]

DOOM (2016) moment

[crisp night]

changing the code of dice tray in foundry to only roll 5 and 6 when i'm rolling

[stoic gate]

i had to rip his soul out with the warlord 3 SOUL ability to finally put him down

[rancid girder]

CARCASS has some really good options

[crisp night]

im gonna do them next i think

saving igorri for last

[rancid girder]

my preferred list generally opens games by dropping an AoE into the enemy deployment

[crisp night]

because they would melt my brain

yeah living cannon does seem uh

Fucked

[stoic gate]

EGIS mortar on gargamox...

pain

[crisp night]

i have not felt this pain yet

[stoic gate]

every scum stops existing at once

[crisp night]

but having played two games as mox

aoe has been a biiig fucky wucky

once against deadsouls in which banshee eliminated two of my four scum at once

and another against carcass where thank god my opponent forgot to use mortar

or i would have lost my offensive line immediately

i do hope scum get super armor eventually

it would be awesome and also really funny

[elfin ermine]

would def make that Garg 6 Soul even scarier

[crisp night]

oh very

[primal nest]

I cant wait for the scum change

Not even the super armor. The def nerf lets you do funny things with infect

[crisp night]

the what

oh wait

OH

I DIDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT

[primal nest]

YEAH

[willow gust]

How should I get sone in person games going? I have sone friends who are interested

[crisp night]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blow-galaxy-explode-boom-fireworks-gif-5139389

fucking attacking your own scum or own unit so you can get free infect on enemies

i have never considered that

EVER

why don't i just do that???

why don't i do that literally all of the time

[primal nest]

You still gotta hit

[crisp night]

you have to roll to hit your own allies?

oh i gues sso

[primal nest]

I’m pretty sure you do?

[crisp night]

with non curse effects

hmmmm

okay less funny

but still funny

[primal nest]

But in cases where you can only hit 3 foes smacking your scum first is almost always gonna be the better play

Unless you wanna use a strength token

Imma be scum maxing so hard you don’t even know

[woeful crater]

first game went interesting

friend was Igorri and accumulated a massive amount of vitality + mutations and I couldn't do anything so we tied

Old Maggie ate us

[stoic gate]

is this confirmed? because i find scum already plenty annoying without super armor hahaha

[stoic gate]

who were you playing sheep

[primal nest]

no. tom has tossed the idea around for whenever he does another balance update

[primal nest]

yeah thats igorri lmao

who were you playing?

[charred glacier]

WiP of my Carcass Necro

[small locust]

Love her

[woeful crater]

Goregrinder. My big hitters were removed so I was stuck with my necro and warheads so it was not really possible to do damage

I quickly learned a big problem with tyrants: They are really really big and get in the way

[primal nest]

if feel like grinders you gotta leverage berserk more to clear through vit

since its an extra ping of dmg

[woeful crater]

It was rather hard to get the zerk damage without nuking my own guys

[primal nest]

but even then igorri is fucking nasty, and comes online way faster than i expected

[stoic gate]

ok im currently doing a 2v2, someone help me make the most toxic (pun) gorgamox or deadsouls army possible

and/or igorri

[primal nest]

how toxic we talking?

[lyric fog]

Valid, but consider: nuking your own dudes as Goregrinder is totally on brand.

[stoic gate]

friendship ruining

im thinking gorgamox or igorri actually

[primal nest]

well you could go full on hazard spam

[woeful crater]

My comp was X2 Warhead, berserker, painghoul, carnifex.

The painghoul felt very underwhelming TBH

[primal nest]

what was the igorri running?

[woeful crater]

actually guess that isn't true, the round 1 I got where I got a big 3 man berserk proc was strong

[stoic gate]

im down but we're doing spite, so no scum hazard spam

[woeful crater]

1 of each

[primal nest]

yeah thats exactly what i faced

my friend just used sample genome whenever he got it and it fucked me up so bad

[woeful crater]

Yeah that's what mine did

[wet sinew]

What’s the mod to use for tts?

[woeful crater]

used Wild Mutation to get a few initial tokens, then spammed that

[elfin ermine]

Igorri can come online in a round or two easy with the right units

[lyric fog]

The Pain Fiend Pull is handy for set-ups, and don't forget that you can use Pain Frenzy on opponents to break up their formation.

[woeful crater]

Huh yeah I didn't think to berserk my opponent

[elfin ermine]

Chop Doc on a Thrall, spend the Soul

[woeful crater]

that actually would have helped

[elfin ermine]

and you're golden

[primal nest]

yep

i feel like marraige could be an obliterate effect? its really good

[primal nest]

ye, berserk also uses their strength tokens

you can do similar funny things with suppurate

[soft egret]

if an abhoror unit is slain, comes back to life with miracle, and dies again, does that generate 2 soul for the necromancer?

[elfin ermine]

Wild Mutation was the standout in our games, its so consistent with any corpses

and scales really well

[elfin ermine]

only the first death counts for Soul, so its just 1 overall

and you get it the first time

[primal nest]

oh god ye

its honestly so hard to actually clear off tokens on igorri units

[elfin ermine]

Igorri benefit from being pretty hard to disrupt

yeah

[primal nest]

you kinda just gotta kill em fast

[elfin ermine]

if you let them set up, they get tokens
killing their guys also gets them tokens

[primal nest]

cries in gargamox

[primal flame]

Abhorrers question, but can the Zealot’s Zealotry trait procc off of Whirling Chain’s stance effect? The one where you can MOVE again after making the attack?

[gray crystal]

Yes

[primal flame]

Thats quite powerful, good to know

Thank you!

[elfin ermine]

the Exorcist who just had to stab themselves to get a lucky 2 vitality tokens watching the Homonculus shovel thralls into its mouths and double its STR and VIT while mutating

[woeful crater]

Igorri feels less like "Oh I'm adaptable" and more "Good luck I'm behind 7000 vitality tokens"

[elfin ermine]

its often the best thing to adapt for lol

dont underestimate the speed and str though

when they need to do a finishing blow they can absolutely move a Homunculus 6 spaces and do a big 2 splash aoe

[short cloud]

gosh, i wanna get a game sometime

i think id prefer a 2v2 tho

[primal nest]

I think it more “i just have every single buff online at once” and less picking and choosing what they want

[devout pulsar]

I like strength but the lack of armour in faction means vit is important to make str pop off

[elfin ermine]

oh thats just because mutation is whatever is best for whenever they need it

(imo Igorri seemed like the strongest faction overall in my groups playtests, but we still don't have that many games so I'm not making a hard stance. The other factions also do fucked up stuff)

[primal nest]

I do gotta play against gorri more since I only played 1 match again them and it was at spite

Hopefully taking scourge actually lets me chew through chirurgeon

[devout pulsar]

Malice to me didn’t look like it’d be too impactful on igorri but maybe I’m missing something

[primal nest]

The guy who I played against didn’t pick any abilities for his necro and it worked out fine

So I say so lmao

[stoic gate]

Rule Q: I use Strigoi to create corpses via Regurgitate. It targets a unit surrounded by 3 other units. It makes...9 corpses? or it makes 3, then chooses 2 other targets to regurgitate?

[devout pulsar]

It actually only makes 3 I believe

Just has a max cap based on units in splash

[primal nest]

Yeah

You also can’t create corpses on occupied spaces

As per the creation effects clause

[stoic gate]

oh i see, that's what it means by up to 3 times

thanks guys

[primal nest]

Np

[devout pulsar]

Np I also read it like that the first time I used it

[devout pulsar]

Corpses don’t count as occupying a space right?

[primal nest]

pretty sure it doesnt

iirc corpses can stack on eacother?

[devout pulsar]

Ye I knew that

But I was just making sure cause there’s some effects that let you put corpses anywhere

[primal nest]

yeah the creation clause specifies spaces unoccupied by units or walls

so corpses should be fine

[charred glacier]

alright, a fuller update, anything more I should tweak for her?

[lyric fog]

Don't think so. Thats pretty dope

[modest badger]

Just got the rules, this seems SO awesome, i wanna play it so bad.

[crisp night]

it is very awesome

[spice stag]

Legendary match between Garg (@autumn crescent) and Abhorrers (@potent junco). Garg came back with a clutch 3 soul slime walk at the end.

round 5 end

[modest badger]

So, I got the game from Itch, whats the easiest way to set this up on a VTT? like TTS or foundry?

[spice stag]

roll20 is the vtt that most people use

[crisp night]

foundry is great but expensive

as a foundry user

[modest badger]

after the leap from roll20 to foundry, i always ask as its been way better for other TTRPGs i played DND5e, PF2e, lancer. but roll20 being free is really nice haha

[charred glacier]

Alright folks, here she as as a PNG so she can be used as a mini

[spice stag]

Maleghast is a pretty simple game so all the features in r20 work really well with it

[charred glacier]

Honestly, I've had a lot of luck with Owlbear, just using the Witch Dice extension for a roller

[modest badger]

Roger that, ok ill hop back to R20 and try and set this up!

[lyric fog]

(CARCASS Necromancer: Xi, Prince of Black Waters)

[wintry quartz]

10x12 "church" map, where the special zones are "king of the hill" (three altars & the entrance); at the end of round 6, whoever controls the most zones based on # of units in the zones.

thinking that elevated hazards at the bottom could be a brazier of fire, a baptismal pool of hazardous material, a profane idol that attacks those treading upon it's shrine, etc.. --- whatever spin the map needs it to be

the adverse terrain is simply pews for the congregation, but it livens up the map for MOVE purposes

[lyric fog]

that's cool!

[terse depot]

What is a strong Goregrinders loadout at 0 or 4 malice?

I uh, embarrasingly, have never played a melee primary faction in ah, anything

[crisp night]

can you bodyblock curses

[wintry quartz]

maybe uh like 1 Pain Ghoul, 2 Carnifex, 2 Painwheels - just to be a little nasty - but there's probably a better load out

[primal flame]

Largely depends on who I’m fighting personally, but generally speaking I’ve had decent success with 2 Pain Wheels and 1 Pain Ghoul, with the rest filled with your personal preferences (I like carnifexes and berserkers)

Necro abilities, fierce roar and overclock are suggested to keep speed on the Pain Wheels and get everyone else in a closer position

Generally though, Blood Boil’s also a very good one.

[crisp night]

actually nvm there's nothing to suggest you can't bodyblock curses

[terse depot]

The bonewheels definitely look pretty strong

[primal flame]

I’ve also won a match with Devil Impact, but you really need to play around using it. Warheads pair well with that since you gain more soul potentially quicker

[rancid girder]

you should be able to bodyblock curses that target you

[devout pulsar]

Usual rule of it has to specifically… loller beat me to it

[stoic gate]

what happens if you create a hazard on another token like adverse terrain?

[pale echo]

They stack I believe

[primal flame]

Another Abhorrer question but if you got two Antipriests with gentleness active and the auras overlap, that nets a unit 2 vitality each time they end their turn in the area right?

[woeful crater]

Do effects trigger if the attack doesn't land (ie. stitch Twisting Strike's Mutate)

[open vessel]

nope, you only graze for 1 damage

[woeful crater]

I see, thank you.

I asked because the Pilebunker has a clause that says "this attack rolls -1D" but I guess that's just an example of specific > general

[tacit cedar]

under an 'effect:' clause like twisting strike it occurs regardless of the hit roll

only things following a 'hit:' clause require a hit

[woeful crater]

I see, thank you

[open vessel]

But wouldn't this mean that the effect only triggers on a hit?

It doesn't make a lot of sense that you mutate regardless of if you hit or not

[pale echo]

This is what I'm seeing

[rancid girder]

yes

[open vessel]

Yeah, some attacks have their "effects" after the on hit: and some don't

All the abhorrers dont have Effect: on their attacks for example

[pale echo]

I generally assume that all effects are on-hit for attacks

[open vessel]

Yeah, that's what I do too

Otherwise half of the attacks in the game don't actually have to hit to work

The Bound Devil for example makes sense since the effect is written before the on hit

So the effect happens wether you hit or not

[pseudo flicker]

thats the goregrinders problem

they are especially troubled by the penitents in my experience

[pale echo]

Ye I think that's a good way to tell

[devout pulsar]

That’s how I’ve been working it

If it’s after the hit it’s conditional on the hit

[stoic gate]

well im noticing a trend

igorri vs deadsouls vs abhorrers, called it a draw on turn 9

[devout pulsar]

Games end in a draw at the end of round 6

[stoic gate]

igorri necromancer Edelweiss Saint Sainai ended the game with 17 vitality and a boatlad of other tokens

[stoic gate]

good to know

[devout pulsar]

Don’t have the book in front of me to quote a page

[stoic gate]

i think the natural state in an igorri vs abhorrers match is a draw\

[open vessel]

page 11

[devout pulsar]

Tbh I think the forced draws are a strength of the system

[silent sluice]

Are you all mostly playing Duels or using the scoring scenarios/game modes?

[devout pulsar]

Mostly duels

[last crow]

I need to implement forced draws more in my games

[rancid girder]

I am largely not sold on the feasibility of most of the scenarios

they're neat in concept but broadly speaking take far too much time and/or actions to complete

[rich scarab]

most of the scenarios are just normal matches

And the ones that arent feel like they could be over very quickly

like bone feeder feels like it could be over by like round 2

[tacit cedar]

heads heads heads seems like it could be difficult but at the same time I think it's like if you wanna win you gotta prioritise the mission haha

the last two specials are just like 'do funky stuff with the maps'

[devout pulsar]

i think the other modes on page 22 are worthwhile

(blood grinder and treasure hunt)

[rancid girder]

my issue with heads heads heads is that completing the mission takes minimum seven actions assuming corpses are available and you're stacking all the heads on one unit and if you burn seven actions on not damaging your opponent they've probably killed you

well, actually more than seven because you can't do seven actions before the forced tie so you'll have to split it between units

[tacit cedar]

well yes but both sides are in the position is the thing

[rich scarab]

If your opponent chooses to not do the objective, then yes they will kill you

And then they will lose because they did not do the objective

[tacit cedar]

so equally if you burn all your activations on killing the enemy and take so long you no longer have 2 turns to turn in all the heads, you lose anyway

and somewhat importantly, a head holder on the objective can't be killed without saving your opponent an activation

like it's tricky but the entire point of not just playing murder is to force other ways of playing? I mean Tom has stated that the special scenarios aren't like meticulously thought out but even still

[wet sinew]

<@&1169764878454620231> Anyone wanna do a game on TTS?

[night hedge]

my view on it is it doesn’t matter because the moment your necro dies the game is over

[charred glacier]

I'm at work or I definitley would, sorry friend

[devout pulsar]

i've had a day or i'd be down

[charred glacier]

Hey folks, has anyone else done screenshots of all the current (update 1) unit cards to put on their VTT? I just want it for personal use and I don't wanna have to do all that minutae manually myself if someone has already done it. I just want my coplayers to have a better time, why does it gotta require so much admin T-T

[devout pulsar]

@pseudo flicker might have for tts?

[pseudo flicker]

If you mean to put them in tts, sure, just grab and save them from my table
If you mean to put them anywhere else, sorry , i only have them on my pc and they are unnamed so ill die if i have to send them xd

Its 36 or so cards so very annoying for this purpose

[charred glacier]

No worries

I thought of copy-pasting eachone, but that was almost the same if not more work -_-

[pseudo flicker]

Again, if you mean in tts, just select all of them

Then rmb+save

Or ctrl+c

[charred glacier]

Oh, for sure. I was mostly looking at seeing if I could make an owlbear version work

for which I kinda just need the raw image folders

[pseudo flicker]

I just made screenshots from the book

[charred glacier]

bleh, silly wording

yea, mostly it ends up being more work than making my own screenshots by hand

and I was wondering if anyone had already done that

that's all :p

[real bane]

Anzenmezzeron Downtown

While fighting in populated parts of the city is generally frowned upon, the act nonetheless makes up a kind of spectacle to its inhabitants.

Suburb tiles are elevation you can optionally move through. Standing inside grants cover, but not elevation benefits. Dense suburbs are additionally adverse terrain either way. All other buildings are walls. Units ending their turn adjacent to a forge workshop are fitted with ill-fitting armor, gaining 1 vitality and 1 slow.

[real bane]

<@&1169764878454620231> Anyone up for a loathing murder duel on Roll20 in 35 mins, at the turn of the hour?

[opal pendant]

Are there any good VODs of Maleghast?

[devout pulsar]

not yet that i know of but if you do come across any feel free to chuck them in here

[pseudo flicker]

I could stream some sessions

[lost kernel]

I'll watch if I'm around

[ocean bloom]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if dragonkid did some videos on maleghast stuff

but a vod is a good idea

I'm not very good at Maleghast but I wouldn't mind being in one

[opal pendant]

I assumed Interpoint would've done some by now, since they iirc made ICON videos, but it appears not

[wet sinew]

I haven't played a lot n I don't really know how to use roll20 but I'm down

[storm pine]

What do y'all think is more valuable in a Deadsouls mass with one of everything/ a mass with no Bound Devil and 2 Banshees

Twist Sinews or Eternal Curse?

[quasi plover]

Anyone knows what the acronym S.T.G. means in the soul ability (6 souls) from the Operator?

[tacit cedar]

straight to grave

[devout pulsar]

i assume Send to god

[storm pine]

STRAIGHT TO THE GRAAAAAVE

[devout pulsar]

oh that works too

[tacit cedar]

but also it's a pun on the stg assault rifle I assume

[open vessel]

Sorry for
Tparty
Grocking

[devout pulsar]

i train with a guy who's ring name is STG meaning this

[lost kernel]

I get a lot of value out of twist sinews

[storm pine]

Nice

[lost kernel]

Especially with double banshee for extra walls to wall people in

[storm pine]

Deadsouls are so so dependent on positioning

Seems wise to get as many pull abilities as possible

[devout pulsar]

twist sinews seems really useful

great for isolating enemies

[storm pine]

Only had one game, won round three with the double banshee sandwich. They were easily MVP. Having more ability to slide enemies around would certainly be cool

[zinc solstice]

Set complete, now is to get home

[solid vapor]

oho! loop hero tiles?

[devout pulsar]

ye it's made quite a few maps using them

[solid vapor]

color palette edit of my FIST character, which im using for my igorii necromancer

[umbral cipher]

Hell yeah

[devout pulsar]

well that fucks

[solid vapor]

has anyone drafted necromunda style gang war rules

[grave warren]

looks like a persistent campaign with advancement for your gang? I haven't seen anything like that, but I've definitely been thinking it would be a cool format for a sort of league game

[solid vapor]

yeah, also stuff like "taking" territory in the city would be cool

race to the center of the city

[devout pulsar]

so like every round of a tournament you play a higher malice level?

[storm pine]

Has anyone made terrain assets? I have a laminator at my job and want to try printing some stuff

[solid vapor]

kind of,

thing about necromunda is that taking territory for your gang or having units that survive makes them stronger

[storm pine]

What if SOUL were persistent 👀

[grave warren]

that'd be the simplest way to do it. I was thinking about something like the merchant system Tom mentioned a while ago: regular upgrades, but also features a little orthagonal to the usual upgrade flow. And/or a territory system like DOGFRIEND said, maybe making the ultimate goal to get enough hold over other "gangs" to capture their headquarters

[solid vapor]

oh? merchant?

[grave warren]

how they work: #1164643959721693184 message
who they are: #1164643959721693184 message

[solid vapor]

niceee

[devout pulsar]

oh? worm?

[grave warren]

TBD if and when we'll see them, but Tom's thinking about them

[solid vapor]

yeah mixing malice/gold/merchants would probably be the way to go for campaigns

[zinc solstice]

Always fun to see some good pixels in action

[grave warren]

because I am the way I am, I think it'd be fun to do something like Blades in the Dark's turf mechanic: have upgrades tied to space in the city. Challenge each other over turf, maybe have specific scenarios tied to each location.

[solid vapor]

yeah thats how it usually goes with necromunda

[solid vapor]

🫡

[zinc solstice]

Looking at a Goregrinder army idea, so a question: how well they can handle a team mostly based on being fodder to the warlord, providing utility while they handle the hard work?

Considering something like 6 Warheads & 2 Pain Ghouls

[storm pine]

Go for it

High risk high reward, having your necromancer front line like that

[solid vapor]

i wanna do uh

igorii with mox populi on heresy

[storm pine]

But I'd probably include something else that generates a lot of threat

So your opponent has other priority targets

[zinc solstice]

Pondering on either a Carnifex for steady power or the Berserker for "uhoh two bosses" vibes

[glacial junco]

Is there any way to increase the dice rolled for Pilebunker aside from Elevation in Goregrinders naturally?

[devout pulsar]

do remember the default game mode ends when your necro dies so just be careful

[glacial junco]

I'm not seeing any but I may be blind

[rancid girder]

carnifexes offer a lot of threat and wild slashes can deal with armor where the warheads can't

my concern would be your warlord being hit with AoE and all your warheads dying

[devout pulsar]

not that i can see

[zinc solstice]

There is none. At most there is Heresy but that has to be agreed with your oponent

[devout pulsar]

so you'd roll 2 dice and take the lowest

[glacial junco]

No yeah I know

I'll still take it because I'm a slut for PB and its going to be useful against tyrants and other low DF units

but shame I can't use shenanigans to make it a flat roll

[devout pulsar]

it's what potentially five damage?

[glacial junco]

Rolls for 2 and then 1 more fire so yeah.

Good sized hit if you are strengthed up (understatement)

[devout pulsar]

then an additional one from your berserk after

[zinc solstice]

The spirit of "all or nothing" is so hard i'm actually banking on that and running Devil Impact so losing Warheads = potential oneshot

[glacial junco]

If I heresy its going to be Goregrinders and igorri for that sweet sweet BONUS LIMBS

Wait

nvm that uses mutate as cost

[devout pulsar]

you'd have to get a mutate on them

chop doc can do it easy

and with a corpse can chuck a strength on

[glacial junco]

[rancid girder]

also you may want to run a carnifex over a berzerker because you will already have problems with unit clog with 6 warheads

and to a lesser extent deployment

[real bane]

please to help I can't get through armor

[zinc solstice]

Deal magic damage

What are you running?

[devout pulsar]

when in doubt

more strength

[real bane]

Spite Igorri