also, devil damage bypasses blood rage, right?
#MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST
cinder isle
silent sluice
yeah because it obliterates
cinder isle
since it's an override of "obliterate them on 0 hp"
instead of "ignore death effects"
cool cool
silent sluice
just to clarify, obliterate already ignores effects that happen when a unit is reduced to 0 HP, and the consensus is that Blood Rage falls under that category
so it's not something exclusive to devil damage
cinder isle
ah, that also makes sense
real bane
8x8 thorn forest
real bane
7x8
real bane
Forgot to post this one with the earlier tileset btw
real bane
Its Lordship's Gardens
Fallen into disrepair, on account of the lord's most unfortunate accident. It needs help finding its scattered soul vessels.
Look for the lost soul vessels in the garden's leaf piles. ACT while standing in a leaf pile (which are also adverse terrain) to search, finding a soul vessel on a 4+. When a unit with a soul vessel slays another unit, the target is instead obliterated and the soul vessel becomes unusable. Units can drop or pick up soul vessels by ACTing and drop them when they are slain. The first side to obliterate 3 units this way wins.
<@&1169764878454620231> Anyone up for a loathing, no-heresy duel in two hours-ish?
charred glacier
Ooh, what setup is this? I love how you have the tokens set up!
devout pulsar
<@&1169764878454620231> Anyone up for a loathing, no-heresy duel in two hours-is...
it'd be my second game but i'd be down if you'll have me
charred glacier
Is there anyone who has exported all the unit cards as images for the new update yet? I could screenshot each of them by hand to import into my VTT, but I'd rather not repeat work someone else already did -_-
primal ermine
Absolutely love how cool everyone followin Tom's work are, tyvm to whoever made the Tabletop Simulator mod, everyone loved it last night, some the mechanics, others the style, didn't take a screenshot when the 3 of us were playing but here's the board either way
Also, cool playlist on spotify as well 
gloomy shell
thatt didn't take long
short estuary
The siren's song of overwhelming firepower
real bane
Gunwight army sweep
short estuary
What was the other faction?
short estuary
Lol
real bane
(not pictured: one EGIS per side, both consumed for ammo)
short estuary
Understandable
glacial junco
I may not be an igorri man
Thats ok
tears up
Guns are cool too
pets homonculus soothingly its ok its ok we'll find you a new friend
devout pulsar
i definitely don't hate igorri but it did feel a bit slow
devout pulsar
jokes on you i'm immune to guilt
glacial junco
And that understandably is the most boring part for people
devout pulsar
my therapist is very worried about it
glacial junco
/fustrating
devout pulsar
flashbang with the upgrade is very silly
devout pulsar
it was my main source of damage i think
fuck i should've used bullet time
seems pretty good in the ditto
short estuary
Is there a situation where a headshot can be a miss?
devout pulsar
it's gotta hit to apply headshot i think
devout pulsar
Is there a situation where a headshot can be a miss?
with bullet time
short estuary
Oh ok forced misses
I would assume you still need to hit but I'm not sure that edge case is specifically addressed
real bane
Fair, attack effects are usually all on hit anyway
devout pulsar
on headshot of gunwight gun it inflicts vulnerable
real bane
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ptHsAI_yCcoQXDsJR2TomdJ0BARWQKWv?usp=sharing Put all my Maleghast maps in a folder btw
will update as I make more
glacial junco
Absolutely love how cool everyone followin Tom's work are, tyvm to whoever made ...
Can you link said playlist?
devout pulsar
one thing might be worth including a legend with the maps
real bane
I could do that
gloomy shell
Baba IS Tomb
devout pulsar
it's not necessary but it's a nice little helper
real bane
Especially as I use stuff like grass and bricks on the baba maps that is just part of the ground and not interactible
rugged cloud
Contemplatin' Heresy stuff and
Me, a scientist in the 3rd century about to disagree with the church about something
short estuary
I think about gnosticism a lot too
short estuary
One day I'll try a heresy game
Maybe
It will be the only way for me to reach the promised land of vit on mox units
rugged cloud
Mox but with anti priests
last crow
My roommate and I have now played three games and at least seen each faction in play
It's time to get fucky with things
and maybe think about the rad homebrew people are coming out with
short estuary
I still haven't seen deadsouls but I've seen or played or played against all the rest
devout pulsar
heresy isn't for me i don't think
night hedge
heresy isn't for me i don't think
yeah i think if i've played for a lot longer i might be tempted, but as is it's not too interesting to me
rugged cloud
heresy isn't for me i don't think
Me when I don’t want to get beheaded
devout pulsar
i wanna give higher malice levels a play at least before considering heresy
but four felt like a really nice level of malice
glacial junco
Heresy seems like a headache
short estuary
Hatred is the highest I've played and I liked it
glacial junco
Hatred was our 7 right?
devout pulsar
7 also seems cool
glacial junco
That felt fine. Having all your guys have an upgrade seems fair
devout pulsar
hell and superhell just seem excessive
last crow
Four feels quite nice for Malice imo
devout pulsar
yeah just played that and i kinda fw it
it's enough for a bit more customisation but not to the point of adding stuff that doesn't do anything
short estuary
Yeah I like having enough dp to upgrade all my units
I don't really at 4 unless I'm doing only thrall memes
rugged cloud
I feel like I get value out of all my necromancer upgrades on hell
glacial junco
Maybe its because the role chirurgeon fills but I never feel like i need more than 1 or 2 more upgrades to the list of upgrades for them. Or i guess because the others aren't as useful for my matches so far
rugged cloud
Tbf all of exorcist weapons are insanely useful
short estuary
Playing mox I really feel like I need more tools
devout pulsar
chirurgeon definitely performs a much more supportive role than some
short estuary
My units do their thing but what actually gets the kills seems to be the necro
devout pulsar
so you mightn't get value stacking stuff on them
glacial junco
I think Bioinject is one i'm going to grab next time for sure
short estuary
Or handing out str
glacial junco
Now, Goregrinders necro is a realass combat unit
I was looking at them with big envy
short estuary
It seems like most of the necros are more focused on being combat units
glacial junco
There are some crazy agressive moves that can be capitalized on
rugged cloud
Could always do a chaos beam build or something like that
short estuary
The chirurgeon seems to be the main exception but it does have combat options
rugged cloud
Exorcists aren’t very good combat units until round 4
glacial junco
I wish I had a hand wiggle emote because thats how i feel about using my ACTS for attacks as chirurgeon
short estuary
Is that a good hand wiggle or a bad hand wiggle
glacial junco
because the moment she stops being a support is when I have to kinda start saccing other units
Its a handwiggle denoting both emotions
devout pulsar
did you know that the operator is the only necro who without any other act abilities can hand out 2 damage per act
short estuary
No but that doesn't surprise me
I think mox can do two instances of 1 guaranteed
But that is not 2
rugged cloud
The Dead Souls person can deal 2 curse if they are doomed
devout pulsar
other's have extra damage conditionally while operator is 2 at base with more conditionally
rugged cloud
Makes sense
devout pulsar
i thought the warlord might be able to but no
glacial junco
I wish I had another unit on my roster that did magic damage, Other than PURGE, Scour flesh.
rugged cloud
Pilebunker deals 2 doesn’t it?
devout pulsar
with only their base act
rugged cloud
Ah ok
devout pulsar
I wish I had another unit on my roster that did magic damage, Other than PURGE, ...
biotoxin injector?
devout pulsar
i know the base only is a bit of a nonsense comparison since necros are never base only
glacial junco
I wish I had another unit on my roster that did magic damage, Other than PURGE, ...
Idk Maybe i'm asking too much and not playing my team strongly enough. I did make a bunch of misplays last time and could probably think about my options on a round by round basis instead of the turn by turn scale my brain has been on
Truely I might have, A skill issue
short estuary
There were definitely ways I chose to build my units that were suboptimal
Like I wound up getting literally nothing out of my curseproof rotten
glacial junco
Oh right they were curseproof
short estuary
In retrospect I really should have picked a different leech upgrade
short estuary
Oh right they were curseproof
Only while they were standing in hazard but yeah
I tried to keep them there for that reason
Misreading what evolve strain did made that whole game kinda weird
devout pulsar
yeah i'm definitely not taking unholy sixgun again
real bane
reading over Igorri, what does Regurgitate (Strigoi) do if there isn't enough room?
glacial junco
It doesnt say freespace for the corpses
devout pulsar
suboptimal build decisions are likely to be common on early lists
real bane
ah
glacial junco
So i've been sliding them under spaces
real bane
fair point
glacial junco
Or stacking them
glacial junco
¯_(ツ)_/¯
short estuary
If they couldn't even weirder shit would happen
lyric fog
One man standing on pile of corpses
you say this like it isn't entirely in line with Maleghast's aesthetic.
short estuary
But the mental image is still funny
short estuary
you say this like it isn't entirely in line with Maleghast's aesthetic.
In this case the pile is more like a stack
glacial junco
Whats funnier is the unit about to just eat them all like a snake in order to evolve
short estuary
Very orderly
glacial junco
Walking around like an Eddededdy character with a skull instead of a jawbreaker in their mouth
short estuary
Where do strigoi keep all those corpses they puke
grave warren
cheek pouches, like a hamster
glacial junco
They have a purple sac on their throat so maybe they look like storks when they show up
short estuary
Hrg I'm so full of corpses
glacial junco
And the image is after that since they normally puke first turn 
primal ermine
Can you link said playlist?
lethal trench
So you put a unit there and then touch them? 😛
real bane
When moving into the space of TEXT, it is first pushed 1
devout pulsar
ence is legend
real bane
Much obliged
ruby dagger
Are a house's bonus traits always available to a necromancer?
real bane
(obviously this neeps a map without the "is" and "win" because if you actually play with that, then you need those to be tokens)
umbral cipher
Are a house's bonus traits always available to a necromancer?
Nah, you choose one of those bonus traits when making the necro
real bane
Are a house's bonus traits always available to a necromancer?
Not by itself
right, yeah, choose one
ruby dagger
Thank you
Has anyone started working on a digital tool or anything for this game? I'm curious as I just started reading through the PDF today and I feel like this would be a lot of fun to play online against people. I'm thinking about beginning to build something
lethal trench
There's a module to add compendiums of the data to the ICON system in Foundry
People have also made some stuff for TTS
spice stag
Has anyone started working on a digital tool or anything for this game? I'm curi...
Most people just use Foundry or Roll20 for DMing games and map making
devout pulsar
tried both Roll20 and TTS and Roll20 was much nicer
spice stag
yeah its alot easier to get the hang of and its free which is nice.
ruby dagger
Ty to the folks who answered
spice stag
np
ruby dagger
Is there a link to the map maker?
ruby dagger
ty
opaque socket
I wanna try an ammo goblin/enforcer carcass black mass
one day
You probably want superkick on your necro for that one
devout pulsar
only ammo goblins and enforcers?
opaque socket
Yeah
devout pulsar
they both have some rude stuff through upgrade
real bane
Unstable Mutation on Stitch. If it rolls 6, is the strength spent immediately?
opaque socket
Goblins have this nasty trick that straight up upgrades any hit the enforcers do
if you set it up right
opaque socket
You can probably set up a 4 damage turn with both
devout pulsar
Upgraded bone shards and upgraded flashbangs are both surprising damage dealers
opaque socket
mmmh
If I do this tbh i'd actually take this
One goblin uses bone shards
the other uses this before the enforcers attack
probably with shield charge too
devout pulsar
skull crack hits for 2 plus this plus the bone shards push
devout pulsar
makes sense
tired bolt
plus the strength
devout pulsar
goblins are pretty fragile though so you'd have to be careful
umbral cipher
No gunwight carcass squad sounds fascinating, go for it
spice stag
if the enemy is smart theyll take them out first
opaque socket
They thankfully tend to not get targeted much in my games
spice stag
most people dont seem to get how much value they give yet
opaque socket
They tend to have room to breath in the back of the frontline
tired bolt
enforcers will still be schnasty without them though
opaque socket
yup
tired bolt
like if you’re only taking out the goblins you’re still getting your skull cracked
opaque socket
Enforcers are def my favorite carcass unit overall tbh
opaque socket
like if you’re only taking out the goblins you’re still getting your skull crack...
who up getting they skull cracked
umbral cipher
me!!!!
tired bolt
yayy
umbral cipher
(Please help my lycans are dying)
devout pulsar
i definitely think i don't bring a barrelform but i think 2x gunwight 2x enforcer and an ammo goblin might be worth a try
opaque socket
i've only had 2 games
one I didn't bring a barrelform
the other one I brought one
it died before it could do anything
lol
umbral cipher
I've been messing with 4 gunwights, enforcer, two goblins
umbral cipher
Barrelforms do damage but their biggest value comes from deathmark
Especially if you got thralls
devout pulsar
I've been messing with 4 gunwights, enforcer, two goblins
if it's no malice that might be where it's at
devout pulsar
unfortunately true
opaque socket
like its been hard for me to NOT justify it
umbral cipher
I split them into two 'squads', the one without the Enforcer gets the necro
opaque socket
I also wanna try the most obnoxious mass ever
just gunwights
Operator is a hard one to build
tbh
I think its because you're like, okay its true for other factions
but
you're like
THE damage dealer in your mass
devout pulsar
i think it was all good aside from that
but my eyes were opened to the living cannon
opaque socket
LC is nuts
devout pulsar
also my feeling is that any house that can take a double tap style soul ability really should
devout pulsar
so you're spending two acts there to bring it up to par with your base gun
consider that but with the LC where same scenario means next turn you can fire the LC again by saccing move
opaque socket
For the first hit sure
real bane
<@&1169764878454620231> Loathing, no heresy, duel, murder, Roll20, Discord VC, <t:1699470000:t>. Anyone up?
devout pulsar
For the first hit sure
ok so you do it again that's four actions to make it better than your base weapon
spice stag
<@&1169764878454620231> Loathing, no heresy, duel, murder, Roll20, Discord VC, <...
sure thang
magic basalt
I think sixgun would be good if you actually just relied on getting more dice naturally instead of using devil bullet weirdly enough
devout pulsar
for sure
magic basalt
Absolutely
devout pulsar
i really like clutch reload in general
devout pulsar
and you're probably right ciri it just doesn't feel particularly solid
unfortunately
magic basalt
🫡
Oh yeah it's not it's always gonna be a gamble
But I think it could be fun to make a build around
opaque socket
I forgot who got it to max damage
in a game
Also its worth remembering that for the low cost of one soul, you can gain strenght on your operator
devout pulsar
i'm surprised the game wasn't over at that point
prime portal
I love my tacticool skeletons
devout pulsar
Also its worth remembering that for the low cost of one soul, you can gain stren...
reload slide?
opaque socket
i'm surprised the game wasn't over at that point
what type of games have you played thus far ? 1v1 ?
devout pulsar
ye
tired bolt
I forgot who got it to max damage
meeeeeeeeeeee
opaque socket
There's the max damager
devout pulsar
one went to 6 turns and one ended turn 2
tired bolt
unholy six gun epic
opaque socket
It was a 2v2 right Ashley ?
tired bolt
1v1
opaque socket
oh damn
tired bolt
unholy sixgun gets more value in longer game
opaque socket
Ashley what the fuck is your dice luck actually
tired bolt
and we were doing the game mode where your blrobos resurrect start of each round
so it was guaranteed to go to round 6
ergo i got a lotta bang for my unholy sixbuck
tired bolt
Ashley what the fuck is your dice luck actually
the world loves me
short estuary
Blood grinder will do that
There is no early endcon unless you all do the math at round 4 and decide nah
glacial junco
Maybe we should handle bloodgrinder that way too
short estuary
Or it's past everyone's bedtime
magic basalt
Very funny that you can just start oneshotting units with it
devout pulsar
that's a very fair consideration but it only gets more value when you're lucky
glacial junco
Maybe we should handle bloodgrinder that way too
Respawn at round start*
opaque socket
Ashley the unholy sixgun maxer
Ashley the "i roll a 6 twice on that one ability I forgot the name of"
tired bolt
i devil bulleted it only once for it
short estuary
I thought Tom chimed in specifically it just happens instantly but we could try it that way next time
tired bolt
the rest was all accuracy stacking to shoot epic
opaque socket
that's a very fair consideration but it only gets more value when you're lucky
I think in fairness that is kinda the thing with carcass
it has a fair bit of "are you lucky" thing going on with it
magic basalt
I don't think it's the hardest thing to get a 6 on 3 dice. Not guaranteed but it's a lot more likely certainly
opaque socket
tired bolt
it was fun i'd just initiate operator turn, delete someone from the turn order, end operator turn
opaque socket
the carcass playstyle
devout pulsar
i dunno there's some pretty luck free infuriating stuff
short estuary
It feels like it might snowball harder if your units start losing turns from dying
short estuary
Respawn at round start*
Replying to this other parallel convo
opaque socket
I don't think it's the hardest thing to get a 6 on 3 dice. Not guaranteed but it...
I said it in our game, i'm saying it again: Tom took the blades in the dark roll mechanic framework and applied it to a wargame and I think that's hilarious
devout pulsar
like the base gun doing 2 is pretty reliable and bone dust napalm flashbangs are just free damage
opaque socket
its great
spice stag
quick question. does Devil bullet trigger the S.T.G soul ability?
bleak folio
all-warheads black mass call that a pack of sour candy
devout pulsar
yes xoe
spice stag
awesome, thanks
versed ravine
quick question. does Devil bullet trigger the S.T.G soul ability?
You found it, the gigacheese
spice stag
I'm gonna try to pull it off soon lol
opaque socket
I dunno I don't think its unfair to say carcass has a bit more of luck tied to it compared to other factions, that's fine to me
that's like, very much about being lucky still to me
versed ravine
I am writing a list for the sole purpose of pulling off devil bullet stg
lethal trench
Carcass has some luck mechanics, but they aren't reliant on headshots is what I'd say
opaque socket
There's absolutely stuff that works nonetheless
lethal trench
but yeah if you do get lucky with headshots its a big boost
spice stag
Carcass is mostly reliant on getting reload value not headshots
headshots are just icing on the cake
devout pulsar
yeah that's fair eld
spice stag
and since they have formation they can get it more consistantly
opaque socket
"carcass has an element of luck" does not mean it has the whole faction centered on it, thank god
devout pulsar
i'm just always gonna try to minimise the influence of luck
umbral cipher
smh reggie doesn't believe in the heart of the cards
devout pulsar
particularly on a high range high damage faction
opaque socket
Reggie you are talking to a chronic ttrpg gambler here, you are not going to persuade me NOT to gamble with dice luck
i'm sorry
i'm beyond saving
can't help but play carcass like i'm fishing for those sweet six dots
one more spin of the wheel baby
this time for sure
prime portal
Anyone got a cutout of the Operator art?
rugged cloud
Abhorrors also has a lot of gambling
prime portal
Or should I crop it myself
opaque socket
every time I see her
I can't help but think of the among us shoe image
same energy
magic basalt
this time for sure
This time the goblin will definitely give them 2 strength this time for sure
devout pulsar
part of the reason i'm down with Carcass is bone weapons rule
opaque socket
same energy
umbral cipher
part of the reason i'm down with Carcass is bone weapons rule
They do it's true
prime portal
I like Tacticool Skeletons
devout pulsar
kimimaro was a formative character for me
grave warren
ROADKILL
tired bolt
wdym. the standard operator already has lil kitty ears
real bane
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ptHsAI_yCcoQXDsJR2TomdJ0BARWQKWv?usp=sha...
(oh, by the by - may I have my map folder pinned?)
tired bolt
(oh, by the by - may I have my map folder pinned?)
there's a folder anyone can add a new folder with their maps in the pins, if you don't mind adding yours there. it's a bit handier than having a pin for every person's folder
rustic maple
Legends you say?
What if STOP SLOW and HURT blocks, as well as nouns and copula, were acessible?
real bane
that'd be fun
rustic maple
For extra fun, add PUSH.
lyric fog
So just a thought
The regional dish of the City is supposed to be the meat dumpling
...are there herd animals, or are the dumplings what we're all thinking they are?
prime portal
They're Meat
lethal trench
don't worry about it
tired bolt
it's fine
grave warren
Impossible Burger, but not for the usual reason
grave warren
...huh, yeah. Without even getting into "haha cannibalism", farming in the City is simultaneously more ethical and significantly more existentially unsettling
sand bear
Guys, the meat is fine. Its from local cows they raid for. You should be more worried about the dumpling.
maiden hatch
I made a playlist for the Goregrinders, and will make one for each faction. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2pK9nSNV73yhIi3Zp1xGaI?si=04238def5d6b4145
hexed horizon
I made a playlist for the Goregrinders, and will make one for each faction. http...
Tight
maiden hatch
Goregrinders were relatively easy to find songs for. It just gotta go fast and eat ass (positive).
lyric fog
they are relatively straightforward
candid monolith
Tfw really wanna play with people but also socialization scary
devout pulsar
tony anywhere between twelve to twenty hours from now i can play a game with you if you like
candid monolith
Sadly that is 0140 onward for me
umbral cipher
tony. socialize with me tony
candid monolith
I'm at work rn but I'll post when I'm home
glacial junco
They're Meat
New crossover merchant idea, Obliterate-my-own-soul Dibbler.
candid monolith
Which will be in about 4 hours
brazen pine
@charred glacier im glad you like the setup! i just threw together something in Owlbear Studio for simplicity, but these should work fine in whatever vtt you might use, theyre all just simple tiles
maiden hatch
Abhorrer playlist.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4Swi2FitOHbjQCFpoJ34xB?si=ee54166504984d58
elfin ermine
love that each one is thirteen songs exact
real bane
She Devil on my Bullet til I S.T.G.
LV4 and Bone Wall were MPVs for allowing me to do just that from literally across the map
spice stag
Your setup is definitely better for that win con. I gotta try it next time I play.
real bane
be my guest!
candid monolith
Behold, 🦴 🛞 charge
last crow
One of my roomates made me a lil tileset for me birfday :3
grave warren
She Devil on my Bullet til I S.T.G.
*extremely loud incorrect buzzer noise* *Wilhelm scream* *exploding skeleton xylophone noises*
inner finch
One of my roomates made me a lil tileset for me birfday :3
Yo that’s sick
last crow
Right? She did such a good job!
spice stag
@real bane do you have the thread link to where you got those tile sprites?
storm pine
I made a playlist for the Goregrinders, and will make one for each faction. http...
Slaegt is so sick
Looking forward to more
spice stag
https://www.spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/babaisyou/
thanks!
storm pine
Tempted to curate some myself
Word, doing it
Is there a specific place for minis y'all are considering using/converting?
cerulean crag
I have thoughts on unholy six gun but I'm trash at math so i'm asking my GF to do it for me. Get you a love like that.
lethal trench
sixgun is a gambling weapon
inner finch
Is there a specific place for minis y'all are considering using/converting?
In local hobby shops they usually have a bits bin you can dig through for parts. They usually have a give one take one kind of thing so it’s good to ask
lethal trench
though if you set it up with Devil Bullet once, it's just decent with the possibility of getting better
cerulean crag
sixgun is a gambling weapon
Oh it is but I just gotta know the real chances
lethal trench
but Operator has a bunch of strong weapons, so not sure if its worth it
tired bolt
yea but think about how funny it'll be if you reach max damage
cerulean crag
though if you set it up with Devil Bullet once, it's just decent with the possib...
I hear youn but TBH Operator is just so good I really don't think it's worth slowing down for it
tired bolt
don't you wanna roll the dice?\
lethal trench
yea but think about how funny it'll be if you reach max damage
Ashley gonna live the high of reaching max damage sixgun for the rest of its days 😛
inner finch
Just roll 6 4head
tired bolt
Ashley gonna live the high of reaching max damage sixgun for the rest of its day...
in a sense, i am the one who won that match
lethal trench
the moral victory
cerulean crag
Oh to be clear yes absolutely
but then my brain was like... how insanely busted would it become if it was a 5+ instead of on a headshot
so i'm tryna do math on the idea of like.
Your operator will pretty much always have at least 2d6 on the roll. And you wanna hit max damage before the final turn to get the value. So how likely is it to happen just on headshot, and how likely is it to happen if it's on 5 & 6
BUT
I'm not the kinda of neurospicy that lends itself to being good at math. Just communications. BUT my gf IS the math kinda neurospicy
cerulean crag
OH wow that's a complex calculator
lethal trench
for one die, you have ~ 16% of a 6
two dice ~ 30%
three dice ~ 42%
spice stag
The zip file is missing the stairs for some reason.
lethal trench
if it activated on a 5+, the odds would be 33.3%, 55.5%, and 70% respectively
proven flame
does the lycan's Bloodgorge effect give you tokens for each dice roll?
evidence against: similar abilities, like the homonculus, specifically state when the effect happens multiple times
evidence for: similar abilities, such as the stitch's state when the effect DOESNT happen multiple times
cerulean crag
if it activated on a 5+, the odds would be 33.3%, 55.5%, and 70% respectively
This is both really cool and something I won't tell my GF about cause she needs a win and I want her to have fun doing math and bragging about doing it good
Thanks!
lethal trench
does the lycan's Bloodgorge effect give you tokens for each dice roll?
evidence ...
Tom has said Bloodgorger is also supposed to be take highest
vague elbow
^
proven flame
ah okay
vague elbow
yeah rip
lethal trench
This is both really cool and something I won't tell my GF about cause she needs ...
anydice is very useful for dice math like this
if you know how to output what you want
cerulean crag
Oh so if you rolled a 6... wait sorry actually how would this work on a 6+
sand palm
I need it once a blood moon and have to relearn the whole thing each time
but other than that, it's great
cerulean crag
like on a 6 you'd get 2 mutate, a Str, a speed, and a vit? or 2 mutate and a str
cerulean crag
Dope okay
glacial junco
2MUT,1STR,1SPD,1VIT
cerulean crag
I did not accidentally cheat last ight then
vague elbow
Igorri Necro OC Idea: literally just the woman described in Short Skirt / Long Jacket by Cake
terse depot
CARCASS with Igorri support is brutal
lethal trench
Carcass has more Strength gain than I thought at first
glacial junco
Tbf ANYONE with carcass support or Igorri support are super good
lethal trench
especially the Operator
short estuary
I do think carcass with mox support could be tough too because the mox can keep you from closing in
terse depot
6 gunwights with mutate say what-
short estuary
Yeah carcass has a surprising amount of str gen
terse depot
Catholics is probably good support as well, but I'm interested in a Deadsouls/Abhorrers build- really helps you last long enough from the looks
short estuary
C-catholics?
terse depot
I can never unsee the exorcist as this guy :
cerulean crag
It’s gonna be the hellsing guy
terse depot
short estuary
Are you calling abhorrers Catholics?
I was confused because you called them abhorrers in the same post
terse depot
Largely as a joke yes. I just woke up and haven't had my coffee yet
lyric fog
It’s gonna be the hellsing guy
okay but it's also 100% right
terse depot
But adding a holy body should help get to the point where doom triggers, then use Abhorrer tech to clean up
maiden hatch
pure ether
Folks who've played physically - How many tokens (Weakness, Strength, etc) do you have on hand?
I'm printing out some cheapo cutout tokens for tabletop play, and I'm taking a wild stab at 16 of each
terse depot
16 should be fine- I had a stack of poker chips in various colours
pure ether
Banging, cheers
Yeah, I felt it would be enough to account for at least two Painwheels
grave warren
If you're getting to really large stacks, you could always use differently colored dice
pure ether
I considered it, though as I'm doing every unit in the flat style (Pictured, kinda like the unit tokens in the board game 'Smallworld') I was thinking of keeping every token as flat as possible
Also, ha, my current dice collection is a bit too eclectic to be really cohesive enough to use as tokens
grave warren
that's fair. poker chips (or something else chunky enough for its color to be seen from the side) would be fun in a Small World style -- stack each unit on top of a teetering tower of tokens
pure ether
Right? It'd be dynamite to handle, I reckon
maiden hatch
chrome dome
probably the spot to bring this but: any idea what i was supposed to really do in this scenario
tiny fulcrum
Shoot the wall, hope you get a 4+ effect to deal 1 to the necromancer, double tap them
chrome dome
didn't have double tap 😔
i will admit i didn't think of the Akimbo secondary effect to chisel down
i was primarily baffled by the infinite monoliths
necromancer vs necromancer got silly fast
maiden hatch
Gargamox 🐀
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3SenbV8NhWdkzXmHTwpqxb?si=812976d...
If anyone got any recommendations for something that fits Carcasses vibe, I would love to hear them. From the examples Tom gave it really isn't within my usual range and taste.
terse depot
Necromancer duels get extremely silly very fast. You can see why they bring minions
chrome dome
alas, all of ours mutually annihilated one another
ruby spire
If anyone got any recommendations for something that fits Carcasses vibe, I woul...
My Operator's playlist is currently
- "No Sudden Movement" -FFDP
- "No Knock" - All That Remains
- "Make Me Famous" -Kim Dracula
- "Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums" -A Perfect Circle
- "Civil War" -Body Count ft. Dave Mustaine
- "I Am The Enemy" -King 810
- "Gangster's Paradise" -Like A Storm
- "Acme Death Machine" -3Teeth
and then a bunch of other stuff, but my Operator is also a little freak
i keep looking at this 26 song playlist and going "oh wait, that's quintessential CARCASScore"
looking at the Mox playlist you have, i'm not sure the Carc stuff i've got will do it for you, but i hope you can find music that you like that fits their vibe!
undone kestrel
No Carcass? “Keep on Rotting in the Free World” and “Heartwork” are fucking classics
ruby spire
WHO
lapis bone
I don't know if I said this already but I think No Love by Death Grips fits Deadsouls super well
maiden hatch
i keep looking at this 26 song playlist and going "oh wait, that's quintessentia...
A Perfect Cirlce more than fits, and I like "No Knock and Acme Death Machine"
maiden hatch
No Carcass? “Keep on Rotting in the Free World” and “Heartwork” are fucking clas...
Added
real bane
Things are heating up
terse depot
Glorying in landing the STG
quasi bridge
Things are heating up
this is kind of genius actually
I might genuinely start putting a key on my maps baba-style
primal nest
Glorying in landing the STG
Hell ye
primal nest
I might genuinely start putting a key on my maps baba-style
Ye I was a fool to make my prerelease maps in Wargroove instead of Baba
elder osprey
Won my first game! Woo!! Gargamox made a metric fuckton of hazards. Just so many hazards.
proven flame
anyone looking for a game tonight? i am scared of strangers but i will put myself out there for the sake of hyperfixation aack ._.
spice stag
anyone looking for a game tonight? i am scared of strangers but i will put mysel...
What time you tryna play?
spice stag
I can play now. Are you tryna host or looking for the invite?
proven flame
i have a room. gimme like, 5 minutes
wanna voice call? idk where aack
spice stag
Just do the horus hangout also your using roll20 right?
proven flame
okay
and yes
spice stag
@proven flame You good?
pseudo burrow
can you push/pull ppl up stairs?
spice stag
can you push/pull ppl up stairs?
yeah
pseudo burrow
cool
small forge
Heyo guys, I'm a bit confused. Does anyone know where in the book it explains what "vigor" is? I can't seem to find it because I can't use Ctrl+F.
pale echo
What page is it mentioned?
small forge
tacit cedar
probably just a slip
pale echo
gotcha
Probably a typo for Vitality tokens
glacial junco
okay
and yes
Ah dang I woulda fought you. GL in your struggle!
spice stag
She left abruptly so I didn't get to play her unfortunately
small forge
gotcha
Probably a typo for Vitality tokens
Oh, so would it give you 1 HP to end the turn in the special zone? Or is it something else? Sorry for bothering, it just confused me a bit.
languid lotus
vitality is a separate thing from hp
pale echo
I would play it as "gain 1 Vitality token"
languid lotus
it's a type of token that's spent when hit to reduce damage by 1
pale echo
Which are described on p18
worldly agate
hola
small forge
yeye, i get it now! thanks alot
pseudo flicker
Absolutely love how cool everyone followin Tom's work are, tyvm to whoever made ...
Thats me! I did that
I am glad you liked it :3
I updated the unit cards today and added 2 new alt styles for the necromancer tokens, 1 made by me, 1 clipped from a random guy in a book
Ngl for the next update i kinda want to try and make alternative styles for maps and tokens
So instead of playing on generic black and white, you could also play in a foresty environment
inner finch
improved the visibilty on the text
lyric fog
nice!
chrome plover
Ooh, very nice
lyric fog
I like!
lavish verge
Is there a Foundry VTT package for Maleghast?
pseudo burrow
so my first game ended in stalemate?
drifting blossoms on round like 6+ being impossible to keep up with, but if ever approaches and stays adjacent will die? only necromancers alive?
rocky radish
do they ride around on a painwheel unicycle?
thassa good idea
pseudo flicker
Stalemates happen sometimes, yea
First game a friend of mine played was a draw
Because he ran away like a bitch and i couldnt reach his operator on last hp
pseudo burrow
hey that was me
pseudo flicker
I could safflower cut them but operator has armor so it would do nothing
Very sad
We actually had a rematch tonight and he surrendered on round 1
pseudo burrow
lmao
pseudo flicker
I brought along the holy body and did the evil combo
inner finch
Gargaox hazard square wip.
Y'all have any suggestions on what to add in the soup pit?
pseudo burrow
the evil combo?
pseudo flicker
Turn 1 Censer
Turn 2 Grand oath, 3 vitality into strength
Turn 3 bolides
Well its actually turn 1 turn 3 turn 5 but shush
pseudo flicker
I meant indignation, sorry
pseudo flicker
I also had penitents on cleanup duty
After the biblically accurate angel jumpscare, they still have 1 vitality and 1 strength from what you just did
So they can just run up and cleanup
pseudo burrow
taking notes on horrible awful abhorrer strats
pseudo flicker
Oh i have a horrible awful abhorrer band
My mass is
2 penitents
1 antipriest
1 holy body
Optionally either another penitent or an inquisitor
This is my necrogal 
The Wingtaker
I included her tokens on the tabletop sim mod
pseudo flicker
My mass is
2 penitents
1 antipriest
1 holy body
Optionally either another penit...
The idea here is, to damage most things in this mass, you need to deal at least 3 damage
Or use deathmark, thats a big counter too
gritty jackal
This is my necrogal <:o7:527511893112258570>
The Wingtaker
I included her token...
I made an awful build for the Abhorrers that’s 2 antipriest, 1 penitent, and 1 holy body that just focuses on generating infinite vitality tokens on the holy body and then converting them to strength with Grand Oath on my necro :3
pseudo flicker
I wanted my thing to be something akin to a flagellant march if anything and i think i succeeded
pseudo flicker
Narratively i style them as this radical sect that harvests wings of dead angels to graft them onto the body of the necromancer, hence her name, the Wingtaker
terse depot
Incredible, I love her already
cinder isle
This is my necrogal <:o7:527511893112258570>
The Wingtaker
I included her token...
i really like the extremely aggressively stylized limbs
it just kind of...nails the vibe, honestly
something about the needle-point arms and legs just really fits
terse depot
The blindfold made of angel wings is a nice touch
cinder isle
yeah that's rad
small forge
A question, hehe, sorry for the questions, it's to be well-informed.
In the case of having, for example, 3 strength tokens, can I use all 3 strength tokens in one instance of damage?
For example, if my attack was a Graze, and it would only cause 1 damage, can I use all 3 strength tokens to make a total of 4 damage, or can I only use 1 strength token per instance?
pale echo
Nope
spice stag
Its only 1 strength per instance.
you can't stack them
The only time I'd think that would work is if your using the Operators SG88 two barrel shotgun since it hits on two separate occasions.
small forge
Thanks people!
cinder isle
The only time I'd think that would work is if your using the Operators SG88 two ...
goregrinders also have a bunch of multihits
spice stag
yeah that too
small forge
cinder isle
i think there are a few more things, like the abhorrer necro's shuriken
but ggs are the big "several hits against the same target" faction
inner finch
This is my necrogal <:o7:527511893112258570>
The Wingtaker
I included her token...
I love the aberratedw wing motifs!
glacial junco
This rules
strange temple
I have a possibly obvious/silly question. Does Bone Wall affect melee abilities, or only abilities that specify a range?
glacial junco
Melee is always only adjacent squares by the text i'm pretty sure
grave warren
yeah, I think melee is range-not-found, not range: 1
strange temple
Gotcha, thanks y'all!
lyric fog
The only time I'd think that would work is if your using the Operators SG88 two ...
Also stuff like Splash, if you hit 3 targets and had 3 strength tokens you would do 2 damage to each.
cinder isle
hm
does the inquisitor's heart destroyer upgrade carry over to graze damage?
since it's not an Effect
terse depot
Oh wow. Ammo goblins from Carcass make Deadsouls very happy
grave warren
depends on how strongly you read "no other effects", maybe? I'm inclined to read Heart Destroyer as basically extending the On Hit effect of ReP, and Graze as trying to say "ignore On Hit, do 1 damage"
primal nest
SHE
cerulean crag
Question about the Zealot's smite. The way it's worded does it apply damage on a graze?
rancid girder
Also stuff like Splash, if you hit 3 targets and had 3 strength tokens you would...
the cannon loves strength tokens
as well as akimbo multishot
cinder isle
for the banshee, does its line Effect occur after the damage is dealt, or can it occur before and add the strength?
also, does the penitent's mea culpa only add strength if you roll a 6?
tacit cedar
probably after damage; and probably doesn't require a 6
rancid girder
I swear to god every time I look at this thread I expect the title to have been changed to malewife
I don't know why but the internet has done horrible things to my brain
rocky stump
Malefactor, Maleghast, Malewife
vivid yew
<@&1169764878454620231> Anyone interested in playing a game in TTS? Spite, 5 Units, Duel, No Heresy
rancid girder
sure
vivid yew
Alrighty!
rancid girder
does holy water on a tyrant create a size 1 hazard or a 2x2 hazard?
pale echo
Size 1 I think
turbid gyro
I would also have ruled size 1, placed in a space of the attacker's choosing (still throws the same amount of holy water, but can choose where to toss it?)
primal nest
What is the range on recycle?
granite turret
context
devout pulsar
my assumption is anywhere
rocky stump
looks like any range to me boss
lethal trench
Doesn't specify, so I guess just unlimited
devout pulsar
most double tap style effects seem to any range
silent sluice
it's 3 soul after all, so not like something you can spam really
devout pulsar
unlike the one soul version carcass have
silent sluice
well also the Carcass one kinda has to be in range of one of your Necro's other damage dealing abilities anyways bc of how it works
vivid yew
Question: If your Necromancer dies do you automatically lose before Miracle has a chance to save them?
rancid girder
CARCASS vs Abhorrers: 8x8, 0 DP, 5 unit slots
CARCASS: Gun Kata/Living Cannon/Frag bullet, EGIS, 2x Enforcer, 1x Goblin, 1x Barrelform
Abhorrers: Corpse Violet Stance (Magical)/Grand Oath/Grace, 2x Penitent, 2x Antipriest, 1x Holy Body
Result: CARCASS Victory round 9 by Necromancer Assassination
Summary: Holy body was focused down round two. Enforcers died to juiced penitents rounds three and four, everything else died round five-six, board chase ensued followed by necromancer assassination round 9
Thoughts:
- First game I've played that went to round 9
- Game ended with a penitent and antipriest chasing the operator who was chasing the Exorcist.
- The CARCASS double AoE (EGIS/Living cannon) build really suffers into mass armor/vit/both. Lots of my shots, even boosted, were being eaten by tokens or keywords.
- Reload slide came in clutch at multiple points. Allows the living cannon to be fired every turn even without goblin, gives a bit of extra mobility albeit inefficiently, also produces extra strength tokens due to the operator strength on reload trait
- Frag bullet's actually pretty good. Reasonably efficient way to clear vit tokens plus vuln is always good
- Armor was useless because all the damage was boosted holy
- Abhorrors can really drag out the game. Reaching turn 4+ is very much within reach
- Once formation is lost not rolling two dice really stings. Lots of grazes late in the game
- The living cannon being able to fire into the enemy deploy zone turn 1 is really gross even though it didn't actually do all that much this game
lethal trench
Double Antipriest, interesting
vivid yew
Honestly it depended on the strategy of using a Holy Body as an Artillery
lethal trench
Use the priests to put more Vit on the Body?
rancid girder
they overcommitted the body early and it got focused down
devout pulsar
well also the Carcass one kinda has to be in range of one of your Necro's other ...
oh does it have to be your necro dealing damage? that read as unclear
vivid yew
Stack 3 strength on Holy Body with Blessed Censer x2 + Grand Oath, which can convert any amount of Vit into STR
Use Holy Body's attack to deal 2 damage to up to 3 separate units
devout pulsar
CARCASS vs Abhorrers: 8x8, 0 DP, 5 unit slots
CARCASS: Gun Kata/Living Cannon/Fr...
do your games normally end sooner than 9 activations?
devout pulsar
games end at the end of round 6 right?
vivid yew
Honestly im impressed the strategy did so well even if the Holy Body got snuffed out pretty early
junior elbow
Yes, if not ended before
arctic solar
yeah
there's a forced tie
devout pulsar
everything is force ended at the end of round 6
rancid girder
well, we played to round 9 because I forgot the forced draw was a thing
cinder isle
man, I barely scraped out a game to draw
because I got nugged with the "take 6 weak from that one deadsouls necro action" on mine
poor exorcist couldn't one-tap anything
devout pulsar
scraping out a draw from a behind position is a win in my book
pseudo flicker
i really like the extremely aggressively stylized limbs
i do them a lot xd
pseudo flicker
I love the aberratedw wing motifs!
also thankies
pseudo flicker
but ggs are the big "several hits against the same target" faction
they also have the most aoe indirect damage as far as i can see
at least if you play through running through people
cinder isle
i and a friend played our first game a couple days ago, yeah, and I brought a very bad carcass comp for their aoe, yeah 
pseudo flicker
carcass-goregrinders matchup is kinda funny
carcass likes to say together and goregrinders like you stand together
pseudo flicker
goregrinders deal a lot of 1 fire damage or 1 physical damage tho so depending on what you have you might also ignore them or perish
pseudo flicker
oh my goregrinder friend HATES my abhorrers lmao
pseudo flicker
brought goblins and thralls and got dicked on
el goblino :с
cinder isle
and gg thralls fucking eat carcass thralls, i suppose
granite turret
have further tested deadsouls.
have concluded that this is a faction two sides, and those two sides are actively fighting. it want's to be 1. grindy, attritional, gameplay and 2. melee.
this runs into conflict with the damage output of enemy factions. igorri and goregrinders both easily one-tap your units, and you don't have meaningful damage in return.
this game, like many wargames, is extremely snowbally. the first to get a big kill usually wins.
conclusion with medium testing:
deadsouls is a faction that badly needs a revision of its main mechanics, and a think-through on how they ought to interact with each other.
its power at the moment is largely carried by how unbelievably strong cyclopean monolith is.
please don't @ me, but feel free to discuss.
pseudo flicker
oh my goregrinder friend HATES my abhorrers lmao
there was a moment in which a carnifex run through my entire army and dealt not a single point of damage
the guy runs through them with a chainsaw, they just cheer him up and pick their guts back up
granite turret
have further tested deadsouls.
have concluded that this is a faction two sides, ...
additional note: ward blocked 1 damage in a four turn game.
cinder isle
I also had a hot 0 miracle triggers in my only abhorrer game so far
pseudo flicker
well its kinda like reanimation protocols isnt it
you either proc it every time or dont proc it at all
cinder isle
additional note: ward blocked 1 damage in a four turn game.
I mean, ward blocked 0 damage in the game I played, but it sure blocked a lot more actions than that statistic would imply
armor doesn't need to actually stop damage to be good
in most systems, and seems like this one too
pseudo flicker
I mean, ward blocked 0 damage in the game I played, but it sure blocked a lot mo...
yea because if it does no damage, people often just dont use the ability
pseudo flicker
have further tested deadsouls.
have concluded that this is a faction two sides, ...
but also, i am unsure
i am yet to see deadsouls and i am afraid xd
they look like they should counter what i do directly
cinder isle
like I was playing priests vs deadsouls and my opp just got to not care about grouping, because all of my aoe punish was magic
pseudo flicker
they are a weird faction tho
cinder isle
(actually it blocked 2 damage because I used holy water twice)
but it still got the soft damage reduction of "lol, lmao, no you can't use that ability for splash"
pseudo flicker
like I was playing priests vs deadsouls and my opp just got to not care about gr...
magical armor ignored 75% of abhorrers damage
depends on the build tho
cinder isle
I don't think that makes ward bad, it just means that armor/ward are bad into different comps
pseudo flicker
you could go into zealots and inquisitors instead
or play the body around hazards instead of making it a jumpscare
cinder isle
yeah it was a mistake on my part to not use more zealots, I just really wanted the doom/weak cleanse of uhh
whatever the scion is called
pseudo flicker
penitent
cinder isle
and they can still deal phys
pseudo flicker
i call him penitent one because blasphemous reference
cinder isle
it was just a good faction armor value
oh yeah, did inquisitors get renamed? I thought they were like
granite turret
I mean, ward blocked 0 damage in the game I played, but it sure blocked a lot mo...
i specifically requested you didn't @ me.
cinder isle
called hunters or something
pseudo flicker
oh yeah, did inquisitors get renamed? I thought they were like
they were inquisitors in day 1 edition
silent sluice
oh does it have to be your necro dealing damage? that read as unclear
yes, confirmed by Tom
cinder isle
oh wait, exorcist
that's what the token art calls them
i keep applying the class names to random units in that class
pseudo flicker
that's what the token art calls them
thats true lmao
yea thats a mixup with the necro
pseudo flicker
devout pulsar
yes, confirmed by Tom
oh good to know ty
cinder isle
it's just a bart, boss
devout pulsar
yes, confirmed by Tom
@real bane for double tap
silent sluice
Question: If your Necromancer dies do you automatically lose before Miracle has ...
imo Miracle should work on the Necro. That's part of the point of Delay Judgement after all, but idk what the RAI is. RAW, you lose instantly when your Necro dies, so no Miracle proc
cinder isle
oh, i thought delay judgment's first clause was basically just to be there for heresy
pseudo flicker
imo Miracle should work on the Necro. That's part of the point of Delay Judgemen...
we still rule it as if it does work
silent sluice
yeah I think that's reasonable
cinder isle
and not for the necro
pseudo flicker
oh, i thought delay judgment's first clause was basically just to be there for h...
oh, no, its not for heresy
your holy body lacks miracle so you can give it to them
pseudo flicker
additionally, the judgement as worded WILL remove the miracle from your units
cinder isle
how does miracle work with tokens?
do all tokens get knocked off a unit when they die?
pseudo flicker
so your penitent one gets delayed judgement, revives on 2+, and then loses their miracle
pseudo flicker
how does miracle work with tokens?
it is said directly that miracle only happens after the unit is slain, and it doesnt say that they come back with tokens on, so we read it as the unit being bare on revive
cinder isle
and miracle like
isn't a token, yeah? so it can technically trigger multiple times
or, not technically
pseudo flicker
unless it gets removed by an ability, yes
cinder isle
just can
pseudo flicker
the game is too fast for it to matter imo
elfin ermine
I've done a few abhorrer games and never had miracle be clutch yet
cinder isle
tfw all 1s and 2s on miracle procs
pseudo flicker
its not clutch, yea
if you play through penitents and vitality stacking your units dont really die either
elfin ermine
units either
- didn't proc it (L)
- did proc it, died / didn't particularly matter (Aoe ping the one health guy or sweep)
- didn't proc it (my units never died)
yeah
pseudo flicker
i lost 1 guy at the end of a 3 player game
pseudo flicker
it did proc once but the guy died immediately anyway lmao
elfin ermine
yeah they can get real tanky with some set up
cinder isle
zealots also seem like fucking beasts tho tbh
cinder isle
more'n that since they just kinda casually generate vit
elfin ermine
Absolution can help too, but it costs Soul
ime Holy Water is actually the Goat ability
pseudo flicker
more'n that since they just kinda casually generate vit
each point of vit gives them additional 1 effective hp, yes
cinder isle
i gotta get more games under my belt, because my only priests game was against a zero-thrall ds
which means holy water was "5+ deal 1 damage"
pseudo flicker
considering that abhorrer builds can be focused on printing it, it can be very easy to have a situation in which a guy tanks 9 actual damage
and then they have miracle
pseudo flicker
its very likely theyll come back with a 3+ giving them a 3+ chance to end up having like fucking 11 actual hp
which is deranged because its not actually broken
its just fun
rancid girder
I won today's game by shooting a wall
elfin ermine
honestly of Abhorrers the only unit thats not put in some work for me has been the Exorcist's base kit
and even then you can pick up Grand Oath or Holy Water Flail and do some nonsense
terse depot
So, what are some of the popular builds, right now?
elfin ermine
everyone in my group plays Gunwight Carcass, at least a bit
pseudo flicker
honestly of Abhorrers the only unit thats not put in some work for me has been t...
for me those were zealots ngl
they are kinda boring
elfin ermine
Zealots are the other unit I'm ehhhh on
move, smack someone for two, double move + vitality is alright
rancid girder
So, what are some of the popular builds, right now?
CARCASS: Gun Kata/Living Cannon/Frag bullet, EGIS, 2x Enforcer, 1x Goblin, 1x Barrelform
elfin ermine
but I think for buffing melee assassins I'd rather have a Lycan
pseudo flicker
you could slap people for 3 and for 4 if you time your turns, which i guess is nice but its also
ehhhhhh
they are very hard to think around imo
elfin ermine
I'd also usually get those smacks out tbh
terse depot
(I'm preparing some premade lists to introduce it to my VTT, you see)
rancid girder
living cannon can hit the enemy deployment zone which usually means some very good shots turn 1, goblin + operator means you can fire every round and generate three strength tokens a turn, 2x enforcer + EGIS are a really tanky frontline that notably all have guaranteed hit attacks
devout pulsar
CARCASS: Gun Kata/Living Cannon/Frag bullet, EGIS, 2x Enforcer, 1x Goblin, 1x Ba...
i think clutch reload is worth considering there
rancid girder
and the barrelform is easily dropped but is also just stupid long ranged damage
devout pulsar
instead of gunkata
elfin ermine
you really want some dps early to disrupt your opponent
and Inquisitors are miles better at that
rancid girder
you've got reload slide if you need ammo after the gobbo dies
and gun kata lets you deal with close up enemies without nuking your own formation
plus it's a lot more reliable than headshot even with CARCASS' extra dice
terse depot
Yeah this is for base- i'll also have a 4 malice, heresy allowed tier
rancid girder
if upgrades are on the table a lot of stuff changes but at power 0 this is pretty good imo
against non-warded boards the AoE is really vicious
devout pulsar
drop the barrelform for some thralls imo
rancid girder
and goregrinders look at the armor skew and weep
pseudo flicker
living cannon can hit the enemy deployment zone which usually means some *very* ...
ill be real ill shit myself i had to play against that
good job
rancid girder
I'm souring on gunwights
they're very slow
the barrelform isn't fast either but it can hit something like 80% of a 8x8 from the back row so it gets a pass
devout pulsar
yeah but it has no impact and the wights are more bodies for formation
rancid girder
wdym it has tons of impact
pseudo flicker
although to be honest the only unit in my usual compo that will get damaged by the living cannon would be my necro
if you win the initiative
rancid girder
oh also it's a way to clear vit tokens which you really want to enable focus fire
pseudo flicker
i usually clamp everyone up on deploy for a holy censer but even if you hit all of them, do remember that living canon is fire
devout pulsar
although to be honest the only unit in my usual compo that will get **damaged** ...
depending on the game mode that's all you need
rancid girder
although to be honest the only unit in my usual compo that will get **damaged** ...
I mean I started today's game by hitting four units with vulnerable from a cannon headshot
terse depot
The current build I haven't played yet is ( 4 malice, Heresy)
6 Gunwights, Scavenged Ammo
1 Chop Doc
1 Homunculus
Operator with New Material, clutch reload, Devil Bullet, STG. Which should be fine, if not optimal
rancid girder
it's really good
tiny fulcrum
i feel like the living cannon is pretty straightforward to counter if you aren't doing an abhorrers deathball
pseudo flicker
depending on the game mode that's all you need
yea but for 1 damage thats not really much
terse depot
But for 0 i'm definitely using that carcass build
rancid girder
i feel like the living cannon is pretty straightforward to counter if you aren't...
the other part of the thing is that you're generating 3-4 strenght tokens a turn on the operator so you can kinda just brute force your way through armor
also why I want the barrelform around to use death mark for 3 damage hits and potential vit clear
devout pulsar
wights can also supply anti vit (forgor name
terse depot
Vulnerable?
pseudo flicker
the other part of the thing is that you're generating 3-4 strenght tokens a turn...
yea but that needs some setup, and your enemies also benefit from that
rancid girder
wights can also supply anti vit (forgor name
no they can't
cinder isle
igorri ability
pseudo flicker
i do think itll be irritating to face so good job
terse depot
Adds mutate and spawns corpses, Chiurgeon ability
rancid girder
I mean the setup is basically "put operator on board"
devout pulsar
no they can't
off their gun on a headshot
pseudo flicker
I mean the setup is basically "put operator on board"
by setup i mean strength tokens
devout pulsar
off two or more dice it's not hard
rancid girder
it's 1/12 on two dice
devout pulsar
no?
pseudo flicker
i am thinking primarily in comparsion to my main compo
devout pulsar
you keep highest
tiny fulcrum
that's not one in 12
devout pulsar
it's at min 2 in twelve
rancid girder
hold on no I'm going crazy
pseudo flicker
i am thinking primarily in comparsion to my main compo
goregrinders i think would really not care about your build because theyll be in melee range on turn 1 already
devout pulsar
loller are you ok?
pseudo flicker
gargamox will care heavily
rancid girder
it's almost 3 I'm a little cooked
devout pulsar
please sleep then
pseudo flicker
gargamox will care heavily
since itll pop their scum early
rancid girder
11/36
cinder isle
so about 1/3
rancid girder
so roughly 1 in 3
pseudo flicker
getting a six with an advantage is roughly 1/3, yes
rancid girder
30.5%
devout pulsar
that's not bad odds
rancid girder
it's not
I think part of it for me is that the barrelform is less vulnerable than the wights
devout pulsar
especially with two gunwights
the wights have more flexibility than the barrelform to me
rancid girder
the wights are more flexible in terms of occupying space and acting as blockers but I've got the double enforcers for that and the barrelform controls more of the board because 6 range once transformed into gun
tiny fulcrum
It's also screwed if something gets in its face though
rancid girder
eh I can keep it in the back rank and have it shoot other targets if it gets engaged
tiny fulcrum
Where Wights are disambiguated across two bodies and have a push
rancid girder
4 hp backed with a 4+ is reasonably durable
for me 2x enforcers + EGIS are enough frontline and getting the extra ranged control is worth it imo
pseudo flicker
I think part of it for me is that the barrelform is less vulnerable than the wig...
in terms of hp, they are the same
2 gunwights will be capable of doing less if 1 of them is dead, but they could be harder to hit than a single guy
rancid girder
totally a judgement call imo
devout pulsar
Where Wights are disambiguated across two bodies and have a push
combos with bone shards on the goblin if it doesn't need to apply reload
pseudo flicker
barrelform is very strong against certain comps tho
rancid girder
in terms of hp, they are the same
2 gunwights will be capable of doing less if 1...
but you also need to commit them farther up the board where they're more likely to take hits
and again, this build already has a lot of frontline
pseudo flicker
deathmark on holy body is disgusting
elfin ermine
So, what are some of the popular builds, right now?
ABHORRERS: WR Stance / Grand Oath / SA: DB, Holy Body, 2x Penitent, 1x Antipriest, 1x Inquisitor
not entirely sold on these Exorcist picks
devout pulsar
oh my build has 2x enforcer one lot of wights a goblin and a egis
rancid girder
I'm also a big fan of guaranteed effects so I might be overrating death mark a bit but it is very useful to have deterministic options
devout pulsar
enforcers are sick
elfin ermine
Holy Body / Penitent / Grand Oath / Antipriest is wild if you can get off some of the vitality triggers
cinder isle
enforcers seem mandatory against GG
elfin ermine
you mostly just gotta play smart about which one you use in which match
rancid girder
enforcers seem mandatory against GG
you can get away without them but the armor is really nice
pseudo flicker
I'm also a big fan of guaranteed effects so I might be overrating death mark a b...
it depends on what you are playing against
rancid girder
because the thing is that units in melee don't suffer penalties for shooting out of melee so if your line is engaged you can just have units shoot across it
pseudo flicker
if you transform to gun only to deathmark you would sacrifice TWO TURNS doing no damage for example
devout pulsar
enforcers have my favourite upgrade that i think loller would like
cinder isle
you can get away without them but the armor is really nice
i got reamed by warhead spam so i don't think i can
devout pulsar
bone dust napalm for their flashbang
rancid girder
yup
rancid girder
yeah bone dust is really good
right but the odds that the gunwights actually do damage turn two isn't great
devout pulsar
on a faction that's mostly phys damage too
rancid girder
they're very slow and if you're committing them that far up the board they're probably dead
rancid girder
on a faction that's mostly phys damage too
ironically, my CARCASS list runs into the issue of most of my damage being fire
two enforcers EGIS mortar and living cannon are all fire
cinder isle
bc the weapon has easy access to both types, but is primary fire
rancid girder
so having the barrelform for physical is pretty good imo
devout pulsar
i'm a bit more aggressive with my operator
cinder isle
enforcers have both, barrelforms are all phys, gunwights don't really care about damage type
devout pulsar
i like the base 2 damage on akimbo
pseudo flicker
ABHORRERS: WR Stance / Grand Oath / SA: DB, Holy Body, 2x Penitent, 1x Antipries...
thats 1 to 1 my comp, am i basic bitch :с
elfin ermine
lmao
rancid girder
the cannon can do extremely funny things against some lists and you can feed it giant piles of strength tokens
pseudo flicker
the cannon can do extremely funny things against some lists and you can feed it ...
i like that a lot of counters in the game are extremely situational
like if i compare it to my experience in killteam
devout pulsar
also loller if you get some malice games clutch reload devilbullet living cannon
rancid girder
devil bullet takes too long
it's an action so you're only firing the cannon every other turn
pseudo flicker
hierotek circle WILL ALWAYS wreck pathfinders or trash factions
but WILL ALWAYS get wrecked by phobos team because they can just be non targeatable
rancid girder
good tech option into armor skew though
pseudo flicker
here there are specific comps that skewer other specific comps
rancid girder
I think for malice upgrades: bone dust napalm, heavy caliber cannon or caliber up, double tap + STG