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#MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST
last crow
silent sluice
interesting, in the game I was watching earlier tonight, the Igorri player didn't really have a chance to use Clone or Recycle. Although it was a Blood Grinder so maybe that had something to do with it
last crow
Got to Absorb a Berserker
silent sluice
nice
devout pulsar
interesting, in the game I was watching earlier tonight, the Igorri player didn'...
clone was good in the early game for me and for positioning on turns that weren't that units
i was against garga so there were a lot of hazards
silent sluice
lol that game was also Igorri vs Garga
devout pulsar
being able to teleport a unit around them or get them off the hazard before they activate had value for me
humble citrus
So, Igorri are all-rounders?
devout pulsar
that was how i played them yeah
last crow
If you ever played Legend of the Five Rings they're kinda like Dragon Clan
You make a couple of units REAL big
silent sluice
From what I've seen and how they've been described to me, I guess maybe they're a bit more setup focused than the other houses? I guess all the houses need a little setup in one way or another, but Igorri is the most reliant on it. But Igorri get access to all 3 positive token types, which makes them more versatile in that sense. It's just that they really need to the tokens to function properly. If anything, maybe they're just slightly lacking in damage output? But I'm not comfortable enough with the game to say that definitively.
real bane
Has science gone too far?
rich scarab
Baba is Risen
serene sundial
Less fukin go
real bane
necromancer is you
night hedge
goregrinder team that’s 4 warheads 2 painwheels and a necro, with the warheads acting as a pit crew for the warheads who then go screaming off after getting their wheel changed
grim drift
Question on attacks that have a parenthesized die roll but don't specify it as an effect (specifically Shudder)
On hit: 1 damage and (4+) Dooms unit.
Is that an effect that requires a separate die roll, or would it use the attack roll?
last crow
So is it just an inconsistent wording thing or
real bane
How so?
last crow
All but two attacks have the Effect key word when they have an effect activating
Shudder and Flesh Whip do not
They just have (4+)
real bane
"Effect:" effects happen regardless of the attack hitting or not, iirc
Whereas they otherwise need a hit then a successful effect die to go off
last crow
Ahh okay
That makes some sense
Well wait
Effects attached to an attack typically only trigger on hit
grim drift
Usually those are also prefaced by "On hit" anyway
I think it's probably inconsistent wording based on the game being made in less than 2 weeks
naive glacier
man its been very fun reading people playing and noodling strategy over maleghast this last week
torn portal
its been very fun playing maleghast this last week
naive glacier
one of the things i am enjoying is how easy it has been for people to grasp the game
and also how easy it has been for people to make maps for it
real bane
Speaking of, do you have any pointers for map design? What's a good ratio of open terrain to stuff? Are formations of terrain types or a spread of them better?
devout pulsar
i read the book in like ten mins then was capable of playing
gloomy shell
the illustrations really helped
candid monolith
This is the only wargame I've felt confident I could play on the same day I picked it up
(I am not a smart man)
gloomy shell
Oh, i meant to ask - is the game meant to be only double spreads now? the last update forced the two page layout
hexed horizon
What would be very nice is some sort of collection of maps people have made
last crow
one of the things i am enjoying is how easy it has been for people to grasp the ...
You did a VERY good job on it and my roommates and I are having a wonderful time doing stupid necromancer shit at each other
glacial junco
I'm Necroing this post to say I'm pretty confused if it was only keep highest becuase if it was than this makes the lycans first ability the Stitches but with no splash and instead 2 mutate
night hedge
man its been very fun reading people playing and noodling strategy over maleghas...
i'm loving the goregrinders strategy of chainsaw murdering the irl opponent
glacial junco
Which isn't terrible but kinda of not worth it
I think i'll try 2 Strigoi and 2 lycan and 1 chop doc next time.
The stitches kept getting killed by infect chains and lost me the most points in bloodgrinder overall
Also never taking stichfix again if i have a doc.
I feel like I didn't use purge or stitchfix because the Gargplayer was way too ontop of token gen
And stitchfix doesn't help if they have 4 plague since it replaces the plague with mutate tokens
night hedge
yeah plague doesn't meaningfully interact with mutate
glacial junco
And using it on my guys when I could instead kill em off and get more value was easier.
It does if you are garg
night hedge
true
glacial junco
Clone, as usual, is clutch for getting a tyrant out of a corner
I think Biotoxin will be my pick next time. at least I will have reliable toxic damage (the necromancer being the only one who can do magic)
It was still a fun fight all in all
devout pulsar
yeah i also hurt for magic against garg
glacial junco
I had toxic damage on purge for my chopdoc maybe my plan should have been to skip the lycan and try buffing them as a combatant.
real bane
Dumbest comp ever has entered my brain inspired by a strat posted about here once or twice
On that note, anyone up for a loathing duel tomorrow
short estuary
I am extremely curious about the dumbest comp ever and wonder if it's dumber than the trollcraft carrier
I think our time zones will make dueling difficult to impossible
tired bolt
short estuary
That's enough for a lot of goofiness but yes the point stands
night hedge
only 5 houses have thralls, so would need to drop 1 set of thralls
v sad
i think scum would be the ones to get dropped cause plague ruins the rest of the mass lol
crisp night
carcass and grinders heresy
four wights six gunheads
Warheads
Well now i know the name of that comp
gunhead
opaque socket
Nah you can only still pick one other house
but you could do some fun stuff with carcass goregrinders
crisp night
so far grinders are my favorite
gargamox very close behind
i think i just dont like deadsouls as much because it was my first match and i wasnt very good at the game though
night hedge
THRALLGAMING
House: Goregrinders
Malice: Hatred
Dark Power: 7
Slots:5
HERESY
4x Warheads: Bladed
2x Gunwights: Scavenge Ammo
2x Sacrifices: Dead Grasp
2x Stitches: Spread Mutate
Warlord: love my lil dudes
Traits
Blood Drinker
ACT upgrades
Furious Roar
Pile Bunker
SOUL upgrades
Overclock
Blood Boil
Devil Impact```THRALL GAMING
bleak folio
yea no multi-house thrall gang
opaque socket
that's what it do Yugi
arctic solar
Heresy level: MegaBlasphemy
nova mason
The goregy
night hedge
carcass are mercenaries
rugged cloud
I think they more mean in the wargame sense of mercenary faction
night hedge
although once i've done first draft for velgarii i intend to do a bunch of generic upgrades and units that can get used for campaigns
yeah
ivory burrow
Hello again! I have trouble in understanding how miracle works. You have like one time round revive try, or you can make rolls every round? And how hazard work on units with revive from miracle?
lethal trench
You roll once on the turn the unit dies
lethal trench
Yes, I meant if you fail the roll you don't keep going
versed ravine
Oh yeah was just clarifying
arctic solar
hazard on units that die from miracle will re-kill them immediately when they take their turn as I understand it
so you want to give them a Vitality token before they take their turn
glacial junco
You could always print the old copy. just insert the changelog as a page
(Which works out since the file is uneven and leaves 1 blank page)
glacial junco
I always am 
rancid girder
You could always print the old copy. just insert the changelog as a page
but then you have to correct all the unit cards and such
glacial junco
Just never forget what your unit does (They say forgetting and losing because they forgot how opponents units work)
Nah I think there is a way to split the pages in half via a pdf reader
And then basically booklet print from there
or you could try and make a weird fucked up book where you have a super wide book
Like, Coffee table sized
hexed horizon
w i d e book is appealing...
glacial junco
Landscape them and then print them back to back and just holepunch/staple
Disclaimer I use my jobs office printer I can't speak for the feasiblility or cost of this in anything other than passable grayscale
I'll give it a shot later because i'm curious how it'd look honestly
glacial junco
w i d e book is appealing...
Check your DM's here in a second. I'm almost finished chopping it for print.
pseudo burrow
gonna get the minis printed today and then i'm gonna get to play with my partner soon
v hype
primal nest
This a good place to post maps?
devout pulsar
absolutely
devout pulsar
bone horse?
primal nest
Ye she kinda looked like a horse to me prerelease lol
devout pulsar
who did?
primal nest
Old Maggie
jovial tulip
Hey Derp, lemme know what mod you're using if you can
I'm still trying to find a good one
devout pulsar
idk about that mod
umbral cipher
bone horse?
it's Mari Lywd I think
devout pulsar
it was fine
umbral cipher
Yeah the one we used was Okay but a bit janked
Next time I'm just gonna roll20 tbh
jovial tulip
Oh hey isn't Mari Lywd the funny Christmas terror
devout pulsar
Next time I'm just gonna roll20 tbh
that was my thought too
jovial tulip
It was made for VTTs after all
umbral cipher
yeah a skeleton horse ghost that comes up to your house, challenges you to a rap battle, and if you lose it will come in and drink all your alcohol
jovial tulip
Roll20 definitely feels a bit better than TTS for this stuff
umbral cipher
Yee
Even if you're just like, using a gdoc elsewhere to track health and tokens
jovial tulip
Yesss the funny Christmas skeleton horse
At least it's not the icelandic Christmas ogres that just.. eat you
Or was that Greenland?
devout pulsar
you can track health on roll20 pretty well, i assume you could use statuses for tokens
latent sun
Google Sheets works well for tracking unit lists, based on our experience with Battlegroup, though you might need to do some finangling to get it all the way down.
can also just have a channel on Discord, depending on who you're playing with
umbral cipher
you can track health on roll20 pretty well, i assume you could use statuses for ...
You could but it gets a little goofy on the tokens front
primal nest
it's Mari Lywd I think
Yep
rich scarab
Oh hey isn't Mari Lywd the funny Christmas terror
It's not a terror, it's a very nice little guy and you should give them some beer
jovial tulip
That's what Mari Lywd would say
grave warren
are there any guides for running Maleghast on roll20, or is it just "look up generic roll20 instructions"? Are there macros?
short estuary
If there's a guide I haven't seen it but I haven't felt particularly compelled to make macros as the vast majority of the time you're rolling 1-2 d6
When I've set it up I usually have each token have HP in a green bar, and defense in the blue bar so you can just see it
grave warren
fair. I'm still trying to entice my wargamery friends to try it out, so I figured I should work out VTT
short estuary
I also usually make everyone I'm playing with a GM but you can set up the viewer and controller permissions to not have to do that
You also may want to either upload a token marker set or make a new token marker set that has a subset of the full roll20 pallette to create an agreed upon token convention
undone kestrel
EGIS Weapon WIP is taking shape.
raw coral
I'm Necroing this post to say I'm pretty confused if it was only keep highest be...
Re-necroing to say yeah, I think it makes sense with multiple rolls because you NEED to have corpses, since it's 1d per corpse, not +1d, I'll probably waffle back and forth on it and compare it to similar units when I get home
It just seemed like a lot of tokens for one unit to make, but maybe that' iggori's thing shrug
glacial junco
It is but also remember that the lycan WANTS to leave some corpses behind since they have Lope and Hunch
its a trade off. But also you got it in one, Obscene token gen if you set up/Eat all the corpses late game
glacial junco
It just seemed like a lot of tokens for one unit to make, but maybe that' iggori...
Don't forget that Igorri don't have anyone that can deal 2 points of damage naturally so all those tokens get spent fast
glacial junco
EGIS Weapon WIP is taking shape.
You do the texture so well I love to see your WIPs
exotic plank
Dang, how are you making all these? What’s your asset list?
jovial tulip
EGIS Weapon WIP is taking shape.
Gun creature!
real bane
I think our time zones will make dueling difficult to impossible
I can be available between <t:1699426800:t> and <t:1699477200:t>
short estuary
Unfortunately I will be at my cringe job getting my cringe income during that time
real bane
We need to eradicate jobs so we can play more Maleghast
short estuary
Maybe some weekend eventually. This weekend is no bueno
What if we make maleghast our job
raw coral
Don't forget that Igorri don't have anyone that can deal 2 points of damage natu...
Yeah I don't think it seems too powerful anymore, I just initially went "woah that's a lot of tokens". I was mentally stuck on the idea that bloodgorger sidesteps the dice pool system if it is indeed separate 1d rolls per corpse, but it makes sense to me now
undone kestrel
Others closer to finishing. Deciding how to pose the Enforcer yet.
austere ravine
Bale Scream on the Banshee doesn't have the may penetrate wall and does not damage walls clause
raw coral
Others closer to finishing. Deciding how to pose the Enforcer yet.
Daaaaaang ok! Hand sculpted is crazy cool
undone kestrel
Hand-sculpting is fun as heck.
real bane
I am extremely curious about the dumbest comp ever and wonder if it's dumber tha...
What's the trollcraft carrier?
silk storm
Others closer to finishing. Deciding how to pose the Enforcer yet.
These are awesome! Do you plan on scanning them or anything once you're done?
devout pulsar
igorri be winning
undone kestrel
These are awesome! Do you plan on scanning them or anything once you're done?
I might make physical casts, but not scanning. I’m a bit old school when it comes to minis and have posed them with spincasting in mind.
gloomy shell
Spincasting?
primal nest
Dang, how are you making all these? What’s your asset list?
I have a google drive of them that I made!
Bwop
gloomy shell
Spincasting?
Troublesome Minions get stuck in the MODEL SPINNER
exotic plank
Perfect! My friend and I were struggling to find great assets last time we played
gloomy shell
that and the Kenney ones seem to be doing well
short estuary
What's the trollcraft carrier?
A meme build with heresy:
The origin concept was garg heresy with abhorrers
1x holy body
2x slime
2x (4x) scum
exotic plank
Thank you so much Salt!
primal nest
Np
short estuary
Could potentially work with Gore grinders instead but slimes feel more troll
primal nest
All I ask if that your share what y’all come up with them
primal nest
Could potentially work with Gore grinders instead but slimes feel more troll
Giving vit to scum is REALLY funny
exotic plank
Did you slot them into just Paint.Net? Or a different tool?
Or did you just load them into Roll20 directly
primal nest
The latter
short estuary
Garg with vit seems like a good combo in general
primal nest
Yeah
short estuary
I don't think they gen any vit on their own for probably good reason
exotic plank
Makes sense!
primal nest
You have so much access to different armor
short estuary
But most of them just have armor so non phys damage can melt stuff
undone kestrel
Spincasting?
Traditional vulcanized rubber molds, spun at high speeds and with molten metal poured i.
short estuary
Nah only leeches have ward
primal nest
Yeah
short estuary
Rotten and scum both get phys armor
primal nest
But having both ward and phys is great for necro bodyblocking
short estuary
That is true
It's never come up for me because usually my rotten are in the pit and my necro is blasting from the back with necrocide
Leech can body block if he wants
primal nest
What do you run?
short estuary
My most successful run was last night with 2 rotten 2 slime and a leech
The first time I played it was 2 slime 1 rotten 1 host and 2 scum but double rotten appears to be a requirement at this point
I could probably do a version with 2 rotten 1 leech and 2 host
silk storm
I might make physical casts, but not scanning. I’m a bit old school when it come...
Ah I see. I'm interested in making a physical maleghast board/piece set, but I'm stuck with 2D tokens since there are no 3D models available :/
So I figured I'd ask lol
short estuary
I just think slimes are neat
crisp night
i havent used slimes
primal nest
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18EBhgmjUa58P9baE93Z7L86bLkOsYzG6?usp=sha...
Also, gonna be updating these in the near future. Editing some of the darker colors to be more high contrast and doing some visual changes to pretty much all of them. After that is adding more tile variants and after THAT is a final pass where I add some screen tone shading
crisp night
they do seem very cool but
i'm going for a hazard build
so hosts and rotten end up being more useful
and lots of scum
primal nest
Want this shit looking good
crisp night
if hazard mox ever gets nerfed though i'd gladly swap to a more plague/toxic damage focused thing because slimes are fascinating units
short estuary
Slimes get better when you have the upgrade where they get plague from passing through with surge
And leeches being able to proc death bursts makes them get goofy quick
devout pulsar
yeah i imagine different things are differently viable depending on upgrades
short estuary
They are workable without it but you want to do percolate/surge and repeat so they need a little more setup
crisp night
i just like hazards because i like rotten
more rotten more good
hit enemy with pipe. life good
short estuary
My scum get deleted too quickly when I use them but I've also played a lot of 3foralls
Having only 1hp hurts
devout pulsar
i've only played the once and with the igorri
crisp night
1hp armor sounds fun when you think about it at first but then you realize it's usually not terribly hard to bypass armor
devout pulsar
i'm either playing them or carcass next time i play
crisp night
i think super armor would be both funnier and better
you'd still need to expend strength or a high damage attack to kill them
but i feel like mox with vit is just
tterrifying
short estuary
Heresy here we come
crisp night
this is true
devout pulsar
what have folks mostly been playing? format and housewise
short estuary
I've played a lot of blood grinder
What we usually do is pick a special scenario map and decide if we want to use the wincon
Often we do not
crisp night
so far all 3 of my matches were just 1v1 kill the other necro matches lmao
i want to do more complex ones though
actual scenarios and/or playing with more than 2 people
i'm ready now
short estuary
And then we stretch the map so it works for our player number which involves some artistry
devout pulsar
i mean that and i guess at what level
crisp night
having never played warsims before i wanted a solid brick of introductory matches
all on spite
but i have teams setup ofr everything up to hell
i have not touched superhell
short estuary
We played a couple spite but I just tried a hatred last night
crisp night
i do not want to think about superhell yet
short estuary
I liked hatred better
crisp night
more options = more funner
glacial junco
i didn't 
short estuary
But I also think mox benefits more from more options
devout pulsar
hatred is the level above spite right?
short estuary
Two levels
short estuary
7 dark power
devout pulsar
ahh ty
short estuary
We played a loathing too
crisp night
fear and loathing in anzenmezzeron
short estuary
I should just say the numbers remembering the damn spite levels is confusing
Malice levels?
crisp night
malice levels
zinc solstice
Considering some nonsense before i get home
crisp night
this is good nonsense to be considering
short estuary
i didn't <:tired:455776224904609804>
You'll run it back igorri scum
We should try a duel next time
Or wait are you trying a different faction next time
crisp night
devil impact is so hilarious im just thinking about it again
i felt weird bringing a 6 soul ability to a spite game last night but it worked
since it's literally the whole gameplan
short estuary
Only thrall for soulgen
short estuary
Unhinged
crisp night
i got the deadsouls necro to 5 health
devout pulsar
i like all the double tap soul abilities they seem really useful given the general low damage
undone kestrel
Ah I see. I'm interested in making a physical maleghast board/piece set, but I'm...
Oh yeah, totally get it. I just don’t have good 3d scanning and getting good resolution scans/cleaning them for release is enough of a hurdle that it’s be easier to just do the sculpts in zBrush.
crisp night
in my mind devil impact is like a buster wolf from fatal fury but you blow yourself up with the backblast
glacial junco
Grab your opponent and Izuna drop em
primal nest
i think super armor would be both funnier and better
God yeah
No more blowing up all my scum with a turn one indignation
crisp night
or living cannon
primal nest
Although that might thrall spam really dumb
crisp night
i think obviously units and factions should have weaknesses but frankly part of me would almost rather have the scum go up to 2 hp and lose armor
or go to super armor
rather than keep their current form
but this is from the perspective of someone who does not know very much about balancing
primal nest
I do like them being 1 hp tho cuz it means you can pop em whenever with your hazards
crisp night
idk aoe just can completely stop your gameplan before it starts especially with the range on living cannon or even with other lower range units who can still walk up turn 1 round 1 and drop a shell into your formation
that is true
short estuary
idk aoe just can completely stop your gameplan before it starts especially with ...
Yeah that's been my experience
Have to spread out your scum a lot
crisp night
especially because, and this is me just guessing because i cant look at the pdf
aren't most ranged aoe elemental
and not physical
primal nest
Yep
crisp night
egis mortar, living cannon, enforcer flashbangs,
crisp night
banshee line is a curse which deals curse damage
devout pulsar
i know that the aoe off homunculus isn't
primal nest
There’s bloody slashes
primal nest
Oh
crisp night
egis also has the line cannon
short estuary
Slimes used do phys when they exploded which meant they wouldn't kill your scum or rotten but now they do toxic
So friendly fire is more of an issue
primal nest
There’s that chirurgeon attack
crisp night
that one is physical
primal nest
Ye
devout pulsar
i guess the point is you look at your opponent's comp and try not to bunch up in the ways they can best exploit
crisp night
thankfully
crisp night
Slimes used do phys when they exploded which meant they wouldn't kill your scum ...
Yeah
devout pulsar
sadly
primal nest
i guess the point is you look at your opponent's comp and try not to bunch up in...
Well you can’t do that against holy body lmao
crisp night
not to say mox is helpless it is just a little saddening to see your unit economy get pulped
devout pulsar
give chirurgeon better things
primal nest
not to say mox is helpless it is just a little saddening to see your unit econom...
It mostly sucks to see that happen turn ONE
short estuary
Mox isn't helpless but it feels more sensitive than other factions to alpha strikes
primal nest
Every other thrall can survive an splash hit turn 1
crisp night
yeahhh
short estuary
But I'm not sure a lot of factions will stand up to being shelled by a buffed egis weapon
topaz orchid
Question, damage that multitargets like akimbo or splash like living cannon, would it consume strength for each damage instance or the whole effect would have increased damage with one token?
primal nest
Each instance
short estuary
Need 1 token per damage instance
primal nest
You pick who takes it
short estuary
You pick the order of application tho
devout pulsar
homunculus can do wonders with it's starting mutation tokens a single strength and it's aoe off it's melee
primal nest
I think if scum ever gets super armor it should def get a defense nerf
primal nest
Ye
primal nest
Scum with super armor
crisp night
i feel like if you slapped a scum's head it would wobble and make a funny noise
primal nest
Yes!
rich scarab
I think if you slapped a Scums head you would catch a terrible desease
devout pulsar
what does super armour do again?
crisp night
resists physical and magic
rich scarab
It effects both curse and phys
primal nest
Yep
crisp night
it's just both armor types in one
devout pulsar
ok that's what i thought
rich scarab
it's just super
primal nest
And the super armor is nice cuz it helps scum get into position
Which is super key to utilizing them well
Im just trying to think how this affects certain matchups
I think the main concern is deadsouls? But I need to see that faction in play more
short estuary
I haven't played against them
primal nest
Cuz a single scum slap is 1 dmg and plague
short estuary
I have played against every faction except them and mox actually
Mox mirror match would be cbt
primal nest
Mox mirror is some real kusoge shit
devout pulsar
deadsouls and the one after them are the ones that seem strangest to me
primal nest
I unironically adore it
devout pulsar
abhorrers
primal nest
Cuz a single scum slap is 1 dmg and plague
That’s gonna melt through a lot of their units
short estuary
I didn't get to see a lot of abhorrers' gimmicks but penitents are extremely annoying
prime portal
Gargamaxxing
short estuary
Having super armor and vit makes them hard to get rid of
primal nest
I didn't get to see a lot of abhorrers' gimmicks but penitents are extremely ann...
They are
short estuary
And it's not like they're a thrall
primal nest
Mea Culpa clears plague
short estuary
Even better
naive glacier
i have thought about giving scum super + 2+ df
primal nest
I want to turn those fuckers into soup
naive glacier
in any future balance patch I am also looking at aoe vit gain
and any kind of ability that feeds itself str (ie the strigoi, necrocide, etc)
devout pulsar
tom this game fucks and the art rules
naive glacier
that wont be for a few mos. though
I think the thing that I'm gonna drop with the first zine update + balance patch is 6 merchants
naive glacier
no merchant system is a mutator system
short estuary
and any kind of ability that feeds itself str (ie the strigoi, necrocide, etc)
Get a feeling so complicated
devout pulsar
ahh
glacial junco
Quick question with mox
If a unit is at 1 HP and they have 1 toxic do they remove the token?
naive glacier
you roll for one before a fight
naive glacier
Quick question with mox
If a unit is at 1 HP and they have 1 toxic do they remov...
yes
spice stag
Tom just wanted to say thanks for creating the best unit in the game, AmmoGoblin
naive glacier
lol
grave warren
oh hey, Tom, quick rules clarification if you've got time: Lycan's Bloodgorger: is it meant to work as written where each corpse = another separate set of tokens, or is it supposed to be roll 1+corpses dice and keep highest?
naive glacier
1+corpses dice and keep highest
glacial junco
naive glacier
thats the rule for spare parts
naive glacier
anyway merchants are roll a d6 for a merchant
short estuary
We both lost some things this day igorri scum
naive glacier
you get 3 black gold pieces to spend
on upgrades
pre match
but you don't know what the merchant will be
devout pulsar
interesting
naive glacier
so its a way to shake things up
it can be things like 'all your units gain deathburst: 1 plague'
devout pulsar
two other questions: in your mind is there a preferred way to play the game? like in terms of malice and is there any intent for more houses down the line at some far flung point
torn portal
wow merchants do sound fun
naive glacier
first 6 merchants are Mushroom Selling Woman, Man in Black, Shady Arms Dealer, Corpse Cart Driver Henry, The Twins, and Grate Horror Marat
torn portal
would they also have a little lore?
naive glacier
you can speculate as to what they sell
yeah
they will have shop art and a line or two of lore
short estuary
I'm guessing the mushroom lady sells herbs
torn portal
fuck i like that theory better
short estuary
I will guess that mushroom selling woman sells mushrooms
It's a double bluff, too obvious
torn portal
I wanna meet Corpse Cart Driver Henry and be his friend
prime portal
There will be at least one (1) clown merchant
torn portal
and call him CCDH
prime portal
That's my guess
naive glacier
i will probably add yvette at some point also
yvette and marat are recurring characters from my rpg campaigns
prime portal
Does Anzenmezzeron have clowns
naive glacier
marat is a giant, unseeable bug horror that is stuck behind a grate and will barter with you and possibly kill you if you get too close to the grate
yvette is a traveling chop doc, she's a prototypical igorri, she has a deformed twin named Sasha fused to her back that takes over when she wants to sleep
torn portal
calling them an horror sounds mean
devout pulsar
is this a setting from your rpg campaigns?
glacial junco
marat is a giant, unseeable bug horror that is stuck behind a grate and will bar...
I love this. Very unnerving because they are able to be bartered with,
Like sticking your head very near a lion
naive glacier
yeah they are npcs from my campaigns lol
latent sun
Well. Everyone's gotta eat.
naive glacier
for years
prime portal
I think the question was if Anzenmezzeron was one of your campaigns
naive glacier
yes anzenmezzeron was in a dnd campaign of mine
glacial junco
Characters that stick with DMs are always fun to see in a friend group or authors work frfr
silk storm
first 6 merchants are Mushroom Selling Woman, Man in Black, Shady Arms Dealer, C...
Oh shit Marat escaped Deeptower
naive glacier
maleghast is its own thing though
yeah marat is way nicer in icon and a normal person
and not a horror from behind reality or possible just a huge beetle
devout pulsar
it's a cool setting very much reminds me of the works of Q Hayashida
glacial junco
OH thats who marat was in ICON? Man they threw us off hard when we met them in our run
silk storm
marat is a giant, unseeable bug horror that is stuck behind a grate and will bar...
ohhhh, so that's where they came from!
glacial junco
So sus lmao
prime portal
I wish I had the creativity to make settings like you, Tom 
Any advice you have Tom?
short estuary
Sometimes it's just a normal guy
naive glacier
in my blades campaign they traded the severed head of a vampire to marat for a ghost killing sword
glacial junco
What did Marat use the head for? 
prime portal
Wouldn't you like to know
devout pulsar
company i assume
silk storm
I ran Marat in such a way that, when the party didn't believe he could "leave whenever he wanted", he got fed up and just phased through a wall out of deeptower
The party got no potions
naive glacier
What did Marat use the head for? <:thinks:751785015884513350>
snack
glacial junco
Lmao, i don't know what I expected
crisp night
merchants sound awesome
patent steeple
yeah marat is way nicer in icon and a normal person
its just registering in my mind now that you would have ur own icon campaign lmfao, this is sick
making games to insert your blorbos into other games
genius
silk storm
I would be extremely interested in seeing how Tom runs ICON
prime portal
If I may ask, what's next Tom
silk storm
Any plans on maybe recording a session to see the professional at work?
short estuary
Is it not icon lol
prime portal
Heaven's On Fire? ICON Update? Something else?
short estuary
And zines for this game apparently
silk storm
If I may ask, what's next Tom
I think he said ICON update, K6BD
Then maybe Heaven's On Fire, iirc
crisp night
oh yeah sorry to bother about another rules thing tom, but for actions that give berserk like rile upgraded rev, or building rage; does berserk pop after the act or do acts that give berserk not pop it on the same turn
torn portal
wtf is a K6BD and a Heaven's On Fire?
arctic solar
k6bd is Kill Six Billion Demons, a webcomic by Tom
crisp night
it's extremely good
arctic solar
Iirc Heavens On Fire is a cyberpunk RPG (also by Tom)
patent steeple
its a blades hack
torn portal
wow Tom can't stop creating (i knew k6bd just didn't knew that was how people called it)
elfin ermine
Abhorrer gang I come with questions: What role should I fill with the Exorcist.
Whats worked for you?
seems like you can build them a few ways
devout pulsar
what malice level
cobalt junco
Important Caveat: I have not won with him yet
but I really like Grand Oath as an Act
also Sword Art Drifting Blossoms helped since I think his positioning is pretty important, whether it's staying alive early or hunting late
Last game I ran with Merciful Snowdrop Cut, which helped clear a lot but was really soul expensive
crisp night
loathing
clever hound
is there a reason Maleghast is such a big file? it's 116,000 kb for 69 pages when the Lancer core book is 78,000 kb for 431 pages, that seems huge
cobalt junco
Unrelated but I played a 1v1v1 against two Goregrinders and made the mistake of building with two inquisitors. I would have had a much better time swapping for Penitents I think
grinders fast
languid lotus
is there a reason Maleghast is such a big file? it's 116,000 kb for 69 pages whe...
my hypothesis is that the entire document is composed of uncompressed, high-resolution images, including the text. that jacks things up quick
clever hound
yeah i figured, it seemed like a case of unmerged layers and high-def images
crisp night
i for whatever reason cannot remember if this exists; is there a unit, ability, or soul that gives something similar to Overwatch like in dnd or lancer
i swear i remember reading something somewhere that was like "until the end of whatever turn anyone who passes through adjacency takes damage"
crisp night
i am really losing it
vague elbow
good GoreGrindset ability, but I dont think so
short estuary
Closest is building a hazard wall around yourself
willow gust
Considering some nonsense before i get home
what faction are they suppoesd to be?
primal nest
Seems like DS?
short estuary
It seems like they could work for basically any faction except maybe Gore grinders?
Or carcass I guess
Neither really have nature vibes
rancid girder
i for whatever reason cannot remember if this exists; is there a unit, ability, ...
carcass has overwatch
elder fog
I think this game is pretty good
primal nest
fuck yeah
lavish verge
For infect, does the ability have to attack again?
Or does it just spread with no extra rolls necessary
torn portal
No extra rolls i believe
lavish verge
I just got a turn 2 KO against some Ahorrors
Necrotide gave my Necromancer 3 strength, then I got a lucky role on Virulience and blew the Exorcist up
crisp night
necrocide is really funny
short estuary
It sounds like it's on the nerfing block and honestly it should be
With spreader it's even stronker
crisp night
plaguelord be like
heavy compass
Can a Host create a Hazard on top of a unit?
arctic solar
No- the general case is you can't make terrain where there's a unit
heavy compass
Okay, cause the Rotten specifies that it has to be an empty space, so we're a bit confused by that
night hedge
what have folks mostly been playing? format and housewise
spite duels with gore grinders and carcass on my part, abhorrers and gargamox for my opponent
umbral cipher
gargamox igorri game ends in a draw because they numerically cannot kill my sole Chirurgeon
but I can't kill them either because all my units spent the game getting shredded by hazards
rip the lycans
silent sluice
Bale Scream on the Banshee doesn't have the may penetrate wall and does not dama...
Thx for letting me know! It was an undocumented change in update 1. Let me know if you notice anything else 👍
night hedge
gargamox igorri game ends in a draw because they numerically cannot kill my sole...
lmao
i assume because you have vitality and gain mutate every turn?
raw coral
but I can't kill them either because all my units spent the game getting shredde...
That's literally how my game last night ended lol, I was playing gargamox
Literally tabled eachother and she ran around my hazards with like 4 vit tokens + mutates + speed
umbral cipher
They tried to Unholy Vapor me for like 10 damage but I was able to Speed hard enough to just book out
tryin to figure if my list of 2 Lycans, 2 Strigoris and a Chopdoc is workin for me
even if that game was a weird one
Strigois are weird because being Corpsepuker 9000 is a good role for Igorri but their actual attack isn't all that great shakes
gloomy shell
I instinctively grabbed 2 Stitch, 2 Lycans a Chop and Homonculi
umbral cipher
That sounds like a solid list as well!
I probably should throw stitch or homunculi back in there but also ehhh
they just don't spark joy
umbral cipher
They are, but they haven't a solid way to give that mutation to everybody else
night hedge
Strigois are weird because being Corpsepuker 9000 is a good role for Igorri but ...
maybe swap a strigoi for something else
gloomy shell
that's the necromancer's job
umbral cipher
I prolly should
night hedge
like a homonculus or some stitches
night hedge
kinda, same way that devil impact is
actually devil impact is slightly less of a meme
but it’s same premise
which is big cost big potentially game winning gain
rancid girder
imo devil impact is actually really strong
night hedge
like devil impact in late game will deterministically kill the enemy necro if they don’t have body block
it’s just an i win button if the pre reqs are met
rancid girder
yeah it's just "are you on six health and do you have a shield y/n"
night hedge
final form is less that but if you need to survive one more turn it’s fine
night hedge
yeah it's just "are you on six health and do you have a shield y/n"
devil damage ignores shield
rancid girder
I mean body block
gloomy shell
a meatshield
rancid girder
someone to throw in front of the devil impact
night hedge
ah right
rancid girder
because otherwise it's just a deterministic kill and because it's SOUL you can move twice before popping it
chrome plover
Or even make an attack to make sure they're in lethal range
night hedge
final form is just like, every possible buff but you die next turn right?
arctic solar
end of next turn
umbral cipher
Pretty much yeah
night hedge
i’m on phone so can’t check
arctic solar
super armor, curseproof, def becomes 6+, 6 strength tokens
no speed or vit but you don't need vit with stats like that
and you can get speed via polyglot
night hedge
yeah you’re never gonna take damage other than from carcass generally
ig if the game ends in a turn or two and you’re trying to avoid death
it’s great
primal nest
gargamox igorri game ends in a draw because they numerically cannot kill my sole...
It’s seems like that’s just what this matchup is
umbral cipher
Perhaps lmao
primal nest
It’s so hard to get through ward and vit as mox
short estuary
More used to have phys in v1
primal nest
Yeah
short estuary
Like slime deathburst
primal nest
If you can stick a enough slow on the necro tho in theory endgame becomes alot more manageable since most of their attacks are lines
short estuary
I think the basic necro act is phys too? But the secondary bursts are toxic
umbral cipher
Hmm, I thought Rotten did some physical but maybe thought wrong
short estuary
No it does toxic now
primal nest
It never did phys
gloomy shell
How long does a game of maleghast take?
primal nest
primal nest
How long does a game of maleghast take?
Depends
real bane
Hour or two ime
gloomy shell
aight
versed ravine
lmfao i keep hearing about this
i gotta make a list just to make devil bullet stg trickshots
patent steeple
How long does a game of maleghast take?
1 to 2 hrs
2 hrs took us 5 rounds
1 hour for 3 rounds
gloomy shell
no time tonight
undone kestrel
Devil Bullet STG is hilarious in part because the setup is just annoying enough that you feel like it’s an earned victory when pulled off.
primal nest
Rotten when you hit them with that 8 plague fecundity
Also yo what are the rules about creating a new forum?
pale echo
Will discussion benefit from a dedicated space?
umbral cipher
We technically don't really have any rules on it
primal nest
I was mostly thinking of creating a forum for sharing maleghast maps, since you can specifically search’s for images in a forum so they tend to get lost in the pile
umbral cipher
If there's a space you wanna make to talk about a game you can kinda go for it
And if it doesn't see enough activity it kinda sinks to the bottom
primal nest
Maybe also talking bout map design
umbral cipher
Well, you could probably chat map design in here
And we could try and set up a gdoc repository for maps
Or somethin similar
umbral cipher
Could make a big ol folder for people to drop maps into perhaps
lethal trench
a central gdrive can probably work well enough yeah
similar to the WF community resources
primal nest
Alright I’ll cook something up in a sec
Google drive for sharing various maleghast maps
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AT05B6OR9nzGNcUJ1IQwaHJM6O08ca2E?usp=sharing
bop
i dunno if people have editing access or not
oh there we go
Mind if someone pins this?
elfin ermine
Infect just always hits up to 3 other guys in a chain?
thats wild
I just smacked a carcass frontline and all their wights are rotting lol
or do I need to roll for each infect?
pale echo
No it just happens
elfin ermine
thats so fucked up I love it
hexed horizon
Gargamaxxing continues
elfin ermine
I feel kinda bad I rolled randomly for a team and got this against my new-player friend's carcass team
pale echo
ooooh
vague elbow
@proven flame you mind if I dm you for a necro commission
proven flame
i do not mind at all gjkfdnhfgj
hexed coral
<@&1169764878454620231>, alright, I've got some free hours and I've yet to actually get a match of this going. If anyone's free, lemme know!
clever latch
I hope this is the right chat cause I have an urgent question about BERSERK and ACTing
does BERSERK trigger after using a Soul Ability?
tiny fulcrum
nope
clever latch
WOOOO
tiny fulcrum
It's not an ACT ability
hexed coral
😔
clever latch
ok thank you!
obsidian mesa
another question, does strength apply to graze?
rugged cloud
yep
obsidian mesa
ok, ty
fathom phoenix
when using plaguelord Slime Form, you still can't end your movement on an enemy unit, right? you end your movement in a free space, then push other units? or can you pop up on top of a unit and then push it away?
junior elbow
Movement can never end on top of a space with a unit (or wall), yes
You have to end your movement in a space without a wall or unit
fathom phoenix
tyyy
junior elbow
Which is probably what you mean by "free space" but you could sit yourself on a hazard or adverse terrain or whatever
You could stand on a corpse
fathom phoenix
mhm
i was wondering about the corpses cuz i couldn't remember where they were in the book. they seemed like the sort of thing you could step on tho
lyric fog
Actually reminds me, when something says to move "as far as possible" in a line, does that mean you can run into another unit and get stuck there, or do you have to use a line with room for your full movement?
spice stag
@hexed coral you still free?
hexed coral
Oh me, yeah I'm good
spice stag
are you DMing or looking for a game
hexed coral
I've never hosted this or played it, so I suppose either
I'd caution against my hosting it, though
Australian connection
spice stag
what vtt you use I mainly use roll20 but have forge free
hexed coral
Oh ack
junior elbow
Actually reminds me, when something says to move "as far as possible" in a line,...
The warheads and painwheel (and warlord?) all specify that they can move Through units I believe, so they can go as far as they like through units in a Line but otherwise you'd stop at the first enemy unit
hexed coral
good game though
hexed coral
what vtt you use I mainly use roll20 but have forge free
roll20 works just fine
lavish verge
Anyone have a decent Deadsouls lineup?
lyric fog
hah that is close
lavish verge
I am struggling to make a comp that can reliably apply doomed
spice stag
roll20 works just fine
I could host but I'm still not sure how to work effect token in roll20 unless you know
other than that im good
hexed coral
Ah, not particularly? I mean it should be fairly intuitive
elfin ermine
*hah* that is close
it came down to rolls against cover versus fishing for plague detonations lol
night hedge
that ``Double`` can ``Tapping``
everyone who's mentioned it loves doubletap
hexed coral
It'll be easy enough to figure out
elfin ermine
I blew unholy vapors early
so the Ultrakill Cosplayer I was fighting just slid-reload and moved to the other side of the map
spice stag
It'll be easy enough to figure out
aight well you can send me your black mass and I can set every thing up and send you the link
and we can vc if you want or not
hexed coral
Oh spite's fine
spice stag
aight
hexed coral
Gimme one mo
<PERFECT HOST>
House: Deadsouls
Malice: Spite (0) | Unit Limit: 5
[Units]
1x 2 Sacrifice
1x Banshee
2x Chosen
1x Bound Devil
[Necromancer]
Dark Priest <BEHEADER>
Bonus Trait: Maggot Destroyer
[ACT Upgrades]
Vapor Form
[SOUL Upgrades]
Writhing Curse
@spice stag here you are
spice stag
aight give me a sec and ill ping you
hexed coral
Mhm
small forge
Can someone correct me if I'm wrong? When it mentions transmitting the plague tokens to "Units," does this mean it affects only my units or also the enemy's units?
pale echo
Allies and enemies yeah
small forge
Thanks!
hexed coral
Yep! Saw that
spice stag
Round 4 game. Mortar+Double Tap came in clutch at the end
elfin ermine
oh yeah is Double Tap for any unit dropping a target to exactly 1, or just your necro?
spice stag
its any unit that drops to 1
elfin ermine
it uses the You wording and not the A Unit wording
I was treating it like the Goredrinkers "You slay a Unit" trigger
or Frag Bullet triggering only off the Operators attacks
spice stag
Thats what the "Any Turn" clause is for I think. Cuz that wouldn't makes sense if my Operator was required to activate it only on his turn.
elfin ermine
oh good point
you do have ways to set up an Overwatch to deal operator damage off turn, but hmmm
silk storm
@elfin ermine @spice stag it only affects your necro, as per Tom
#1164643959721693184 message
hexed coral
Oh so I might’ve lived that eh?
Oh well, good game on both ends
Banshees are scary, as are aegis weapons
Those things are nuts
fathom phoenix
for Driving Vermin on Host, do you evaluate Infect range before or after executing the pull?
spice stag
yeah you wouldve lived if I knew that
elfin ermine
so do all soul abilities just work with your necro?
this one def doesn't
I think its wording based
Unit versus You
fathom phoenix
spice stag
If it requires your necro to activate then why would it say any turn when it only going to be your own turn when it activates. Kind weird wording.
grave warren
I'd probably read Infect as kind of like a weird AOE? Basically treat the whole Infect block as a single effect, evaluated simultaneously, and measure from their pre-pull positions. But it's a good question for Tom.
naive glacier
double tap should only work with your necro's stuff
it might have odd wording atm ill fix that in an update
rancid girder
I have been interpreting double tap as necro only
mostly because the other way would be probably a little too good
spice stag
it might have odd wording atm ill fix that in an update
sounds good 👌
silk storm
Made some samples for a physical board set 🙂
Still getting the bugs worked out, better visibility, having issues getting etching to work properly, and the printer putting extra lines around every image
spice stag
Made some samples for a physical board set 🙂
Still getting the bugs worked out...
wow those look sick. You laser etched those?
silk storm
Yes
spice stag
nice
silk storm
Thank you!
chrome plover
That's very cool. I assume the hole in the top left is for a die to slot in?
silk storm
I have a concept of etching half way through the top left corner, allowing you to put a lil mini d6 there for HP
Yep
But I'm having issues getting it to etch properly without crashing the software lol
So for now it's just cut out
Main issue right now though is figuring out material selection. MDF has better visibility, but acrylic looks way nicer
Difficult to read unless it's good lighting
silent sluice
re Double Tap there's stuff like Overwatch that lets your Necro deal damage out of turn, thus it has the Any Turn timing to allow you to use it at any time, just like other reaction type SOUL abilities
silk storm
Main issue right now though is figuring out material selection. MDF has better v...
Ooh maybe I can spraypaint the acrylic and then etch through the paint
chrome plover
Could see that working, yeah
elfin ermine
it might have odd wording atm ill fix that in an update
was it clarified if you have to actually reduce the health before trigger?
like say you ping a 1 hp phys-armored unit with Akimbo's back half - could you Double Tap that?
terse depot
What are some good Heresy options for CARCASS anyways?
elfin ermine
Holy Body?
keeps your backline way tougher
Grand Oath works well with gunwight clumps, Penitent's trade forced movement for debuff clear and sustain
Lycan could be fun if you snipe some squishier units in the first round
terse depot
Catholic Gun SPARTANS. Awful, I love it
elfin ermine
Mutation tokens actually seem really good with Operator
you already get STR
and Armor + Vitality from something like a Chop Doc makes you real tanky against some teams
terse depot
🤔
proven flame
Does the painwhee;'s spinout use the Painwheel's movement for the turn, or is it it's own separate movement?
terse depot
The only question is getting a good source of mutation tokens. Doc's a good pick, maybe one of the Chiurgeon ACTs as well?
elfin ermine
New Material has some funny combo potential with Gunwight's Scavenge Ammo
otherwise Stitch Fix or Inject Stimulant could work
or this to do some funky positioning tricks even while reloading
terse depot
Oh that's hilarious. Operator, Doc, 6 Gunwights, and a free slot. That'd be a riot
proven flame
does this just instant-kill a 4 hp unit with no armor?
pale echo
You have to hit
elfin ermine
and be damaged, but yeah
warped mirage
yeah its ragemode
pale echo
That makes sense
warped mirage
you get max power when you're in bloodrage
elfin ermine
its incentive to pump damage into the berserker all at once
instead of slowly chipping it down
which leaves your painwheels and thralls free to act
elfin ermine
Oh that's hilarious. Operator, Doc, 6 Gunwights, and a free slot. That'd be a ri...
maybe a Homunculus?
just a big meatwall that does everything you want
makes corpses for ammo, eats low health but buffed gunwights, tanky frontline
terse depot
That's a good suggestion, it'll hold up goregrinders if nothing else
I know I want clutch reload-and I think I want Bone Wall, since I do have the wall of gunwights
terse depot
...brain fried, you only get one trait. Super shotgun it is
pale echo
Yes (your graze damage goes up)
lavish verge
Cool
brazen pine
when something says it targets a character, are walls valid targets? For example, Infect jumps between characters, can it jump to walls? And can units attack a wall to prevent self damage from Berserk? my friends are truly torn
crisp night
i’m 90% sure berserk damaging walls prevents it from hurting yourself since that is damage you’re dealing
regardless of the type you are hitting something that isn’t open air
on infect i’m not sure though
lyric fog
I think "character" is reserved for units, not walls?
brazen pine
walls specify that they can be "targeted as characters"
crisp night
does the language in berserk say character specifically actually
i forget and can’t check
brazen pine
"a wall can take damage and be targeted like a character"
fathom phoenix
does Infect actually target things?
brazen pine
berserk says "if the effect does not damage other characters..." so the question is whether walls are considered characters
pale echo
It seems... unintentional that walls would be able to jump Infect
pale echo
berserk says "if the effect does not damage other characters..." so the question...
Walls are not characters, but they can be targeted like them
I am confident that damaging walls wouldn't satisfy Berserk
brazen pine
I partially agree, but also feel like it makes sense in the spirit/flavor of "berserk" for it to satisfy, just in the sense of "you act recklessly and violently", but thats not exactly a hard argument lol
wintry quartz
"a wall can take damage and be targeted like a character"
I think "like" in that sentence is doing the heavy lifting of separating it from being classified as a character
crisp night
my big berserk question is still whether or not it activates after an action that gives it to you
i.e. building rage
or rev with rile
bronze jetty
you have the token by the time your ACT ends, i've been reading it as activating after the action that gives it to you
crisp night
i could go either way on it
whenever tom pops into chat next i need to remember to ask him if i’m around
bronze jetty
taking this back tentatively though because i could see the interpretation that a unit must ACT from start to finish while having the token
bronze jetty
agreed, feels like one of those things that players can just agree on before the game to me
but yes
dense lion
yeah same
crisp night
yeah, that’s where i lie on a lot of stuff
queen nebula
Does cover work diagonally?
lyric fog
Yes. If you take the line between the character and the wall, anyone on the wall's side is attacking into cover, anyone on the character's side is not.
bronze jetty
yeah and since cover is only against ranged attacks, it won't be on the direct diagonal (usually)
turbid gyro
I never really talk in this server but I wanted to ask two real quick questions about maleghast, a) what are you guys using as a VTT system to play if you do? And b) do we know if it's okay to use stuff like unit art as icons for discord or other social media? I'm rlly in love with the art style
pale echo
I don't think Tom minds
There's several users with Maleghast art avatars now
I've seen Foundry, Roll20, and Owlbear all used
languid lotus
a) i've most often seen r20 and owlbear, b) several people are using the art for such and no issue has come up, probably fine
brazen pine
how would you rule, does the Holy Body have line of sight on the visgeist
crisp night
i say it doesn’t
since technically the two corners of the walls would be touching
that’s how i think about it anyway
bronze jetty
yeah without diagonal movement i read that as a solid wall
unreal fulcrum
same
silent sluice
The last time I played, we treated the same situation as being able to hit since it's in adjacency, but after looking at the Line of Sight rules, it says you don't have line of sight even if the line between two corners just touches a corner of an LoS blocker. Meaning if they were one space further from each other, they wouldn't have LoS. So that probably shouldn't change just because they're next to each other.
unreal fulcrum
if anything, vizigeist has double cover relative to the holy body
cinder isle
this seems incredibly mean, so i'd imagine not: can you S.T.G. the necro?
junior elbow
Their primary defense is body blocking
junior elbow
Devil Bullet/STG is a strat
lethal trench
Especially if you use Devil Bullet to enable it,which makes it really telegraphed
So you need to isolate their necro
turbid gyro
a) i've most often seen r20 and owlbear, b) several people are using the art for...
Thanks so much!
silent sluice
You can also look through the pins for Foundry stuff if that's your jam
brazen pine
friends and i have taken to saying "Tom!" in an accusatory tone when some shit happens in maleghast thats fucked up (this time was a holy body creating a million vitality)
pale echo
rancid girder
I've seen Foundry, Roll20, and Owlbear all used
it plays pretty well in TTS as well
terse depot
I find STG works really well as something you threaten more than use?
Like, using devil bullet to force your opponent to play around it, then respond to that. And of course if they don't...
brazen pine
Possession, do you get soul for all the units that dissolve when your necromancer dies?
rancid girder
Like, using devil bullet to force your opponent to play around it, then respond ...
also enforcer-devil bullet-STG is usually good enough to deliver it
since the flashbang autohits and pushes
terse depot
Getting gently pushed by a gunwight before an operator on twelve kinds of wizard coke abruptly removes your face:
pale echo
Possession, do you get soul for all the units that dissolve when your necromance...
Don't think so
pale echo
Yep
silent sluice
yes adjacency includes diagonals, and range is also measured with diagonals
cinder isle
👍
elfin ermine
Elevation never blocks LoS right?
oak quest
So... Is DOOM useless after round 4?
brazen pine
the banshee's bale scream, do you let it pierce elevation?
terse depot
Doom doesn't do damage, but a lot of deadsouls stuff is still more effective on doomed targets
Adding Catholicism to your mix can help you close out a game afterwards
arctic solar
the banshee's bale scream, do you let it pierce elevation?
yes? elevation doesn't block LOS, it just gives cover
and bale scream isn't an attack so cover doesn't matter anyway
arctic solar
oh shoot, TIL
brazen pine
I actually cant find text that says that
arctic solar
p. 17, found it
brazen pine
My question returns
pale echo
I don't think it would overcome elevation block RAW
silent sluice
it's hard to tell if it's intended and yeah seems kinda weird for it to be blocked. I actually assumed the Banshee ignoring line of sight would get around it but I guess Lines don't actually care about line of sight as written
cinder isle
oh, for triggered SOUL abilities
if i take the operator's double-barrel shotgun and Double Tap, can you trigger double tap in the middle of the action?
so as to get by the goregrinders' bloodrage
or can it not interrupt?
analog notch
Since walls can be targeted as characters and are automatically hit
Can i use the goregrinder thrall to slice an enemy unit automatically?
attacking the wall instead of it?
silent sluice
There's nothing special about double tap tho, I'm not sure why you'd need to interrupt the shotgun to "get around" blood rage
cinder isle
oh, as in
i'm attacking a 2 hp goregrinder unit (full warhead, weakened anything else)
i use the SG88 to reduce them to 1 hp. can I Double Tap in between the first shot and the second to reduce them to 0?
which then allows me to clean up the unit's blood rage with the second shot of the gun
silent sluice
oh I see what you're saying
analog notch
I don't think so?
cinder isle
is that action resolution legal, or do triggered SOUL abilities have to be after a full action resolves?
analog notch
Double Tap specifically says you reduce a unit to 1 HP
So even if you could interrupt the shotgun I don't think you could double tap him twice
pale echo
Can i use the goregrinder thrall to slice an enemy unit automatically?
I think that's technically legal
cinder isle
the shotgun has two hits
analog notch
I think that's technically legal
kinda busted if it is
pale echo
is that action resolution legal, or do triggered SOUL abilities have to be after...
I think that checks out
cinder isle
i'm asking if the resolve order can be "first ping -> double tap interrupting second ping -> second ping"
i believe it does
because right below it's contrasted with frag bullet
analog notch
Oh i get it now
silent sluice
SOUL abilities say they can be used at any point during a turn, so I'd read it as happening immediately when the trigger occurs
cinder isle
which applies vuln after the ability resolves
but i wanted to double-check because it's a kind of tricksy and fucky action resolution
on the topic of ggs: does apoplexy double all strength and berserk on self or everywhere?
silent sluice
on the Necro
cinder isle
thought so, but had to ask
uh, hm.
reading it, plague can drop goregrinders to 0 hp, can't it?
because plague can't slay, but goregrinders explicitly don't treat "going to 0" as being slain, yeah?
silent sluice
I don't think it's intended
cinder isle
fair enough