MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[crisp night]

oh shit i just realized i have to create the deathwash trait entirely

okay, got it. i'm saving all of this into a text file so i have the instructions for myself later

[serene sundial]

Anyone wants to play on TTS in about... 15 minutes?

[brittle otter]

When all the edits are made you can press here to make a module

[crisp night]

okay, got it

[brittle otter]

Then add in compendiums here

At least the names

Then load the module into your game, where your compendiums appear

Then in the game click on export to compendium

And pick the desitnation pack

That's it done

[crisp night]

got it

[brittle otter]

Just export the new module folder from the modules folder into a zip and thassit

[crisp night]

👍

it'll be a little while since i have work in 20 minutes but i'll definitely get it done by the end of today

[brittle otter]

Awesome

[crisp night]

i just finished the leech glowup

i'm also gonna have to manually go in and replace Ward and Armor with Magic Armor and Physical Armor too

drat

oh well that won't be hard just a lil tedious

for each unit, i mean

[brittle otter]

Also, update?

Lemme fetch the 1.1 pdf then

[crisp night]

yeah

deadsouls are less wallhungry and can get more value out of the less walls they make

abhorrers got

nerfs

i havent read abhorrers really

mox also got some good qol stuff

[brittle otter]

Very nice that itch informs me of these things...

[crisp night]

it's actually good that i'm learning how to do this now

since once my homebrew is done i'll have to do something similar

if a bit more involved

[brittle otter]

I would have done it immediately if I knew~

[serene sundial]

Abhorrers mostly has less def.

[brittle otter]

But if you need help don't be afraid to ask

[crisp night]

no worries! i'm just sorry it'll take me so long

gargamox done

let's see if i can speedrun the rest of this shit

[brittle otter]

Changes should be easy to implement

[crisp night]

yeah it's just changing text fields

oh my god they made indignation ignore line of sight?

holy body is even more of a sam turert now

but at least bolides can't spawn bear traps under people now

[umbral cipher]

Iggori is way more fun than I expected them to be

[crisp night]

abhorrers done

just gotta do igorri, then once i get back from work i'll package it into a json and send it here

i'm gonna be late for work but fuck it

[umbral cipher]

It just feels really good to look somebody in the eye and go 'I have 5 Strength 3 Vitality and 4 Mutation. There is nothing you can do to stop me.'

I had the world's most jacked Chirurgeon against a now alone death priest and operator and their only hope to kill me was to S.T.G.

(They landed it, which was so fuckin sick that I can't even call that a loss)

[tacit cedar]

igorri can be really scary

[serene sundial]

<@&1169764878454620231> anyone wants to play on tts?

[languid lotus]

(spite) how bad an idea is deploying ten warheads on a goregrinder comp

[junior elbow]

Warheads are one of the better ones to do it with

They're tough and fast

[languid lotus]

speaking of, cleave specifies 1 damage and 1 damage to another adjacent unit. does it mean adjacent to the warhead or to the target?

[umbral cipher]

Though, you'll really, really struggle with armored units

To the Warhead I presume

[languid lotus]

yeah grinders seem to really struggle with physical armor

[umbral cipher]

There's ways around it via Strength or fire damage but warheads alone got nothin against them until they get Blood Raged, and even then are only dealing 1

[fiery orbit]

can you make a wall on adverse terrain?

can you choose when to spend your strength tokens?>

[serene sundial]

You must spend strenght always.

[serene sundial]

Yes

[candid monolith]

We also don't really have armor, barring a 1hp berserker with the right upgrade, though having 2hp thralls helps

[real bane]

I'm getting scrambled pls help

wait no it's carcass

I'm getting perforated

[candid monolith]

The carcass experience

[languid lotus]

sending over a painwheel with several rolls of duct tape

[primal flame]

Rule’s question for CARCASS but, Formation’s effect can’t stack right? (say you’re adjacent to 2 allies, its still only +1D not +2D right?)

[patent steeple]

its binary yeah

[primal flame]

Cool cool, thanks

[elfin ermine]

elevation would give +2d6 though yeah?

[patent steeple]

yes

[candid monolith]

There we fuckin go

[real bane]

this operator has 7 strength

[robust python]

CALL THAT THE IGORRI BUFFET

DOGS EATIN GOOD

[rancid girder]

get rattled

I'm kinda using this an an excuse to rant about a bugbear I'm having with some of the maps, but sometimes less terrain is more

particularly on this layout tyrants just....can't deploy

there are three possible spots on either side to deploy a tyrant and two of them the tyrant physically cannot leave

not to mention that you've got walls significantly constraining LoS and a giant pit of doom in the middle

[robust python]

Do walls count as units for the purposes of the Homonculus doing Form Carapace?

[rancid girder]

no

[robust python]

thanks

[elfin ermine]

watching goregrinders run into a wall of super armor vitality

its just not getting anything through

[umbral cipher]

Goregrinders really hate armour 😔

[elfin ermine]

oh and the gunwrights just did 5 hp worth of damage

[brazen pine]

"goregrinders hate this one simple trick"

[elfin ermine]

LORD

rip Berserker

[real bane]

if you don't move, can you reload then use a loading act in the same turn?

[elfin ermine]

yeah

[latent sun]

Can you move and then reload as per the ability to move and then move again?

[tacit cedar]

ye

I'm pretty sure you can even reload twice as your turn, like for the operator to build up strength if you've got nothing better to do

[bleak folio]

i cant tell if the mispell is from being too ICONpilled

[elfin ermine]

IT IS

[bleak folio]

lmao

[elfin ermine]

I'VE DONE IT 3 TIMES NOW

[patent steeple]

it fucked me up too

[elfin ermine]

It sucks because I kept calling wrights wights

[patent steeple]

gunwights have pierce

😌

[bleak folio]

dw ive said gunwright instead of gunwight multiple times lol

[elfin ermine]

because skeletons

[rancid girder]

gunwights are solid

two damage per turn per slot

and they pierce armor

[bleak folio]

they do be

[grave warren]

I can't wait for the ICON/Maleghast crossover where we finally get Wightwrights

[patent steeple]

icon legend: oops all scum

[bleak folio]

it dies by round 4

[shy forum]

Good luck I'm behind 10 Gunwights

[rancid girder]

loads mortar

[primal flame]

Clarification for token discarding,

Is it if you gain a positive token that cancels another token, you discard 1 of the canceled token (and vice versa)

OR

If you gain a positive token you can discard any 1 negative token of your choice (and vice versa)

[bleak folio]

all-gunwights i do think would fair better

[night hedge]

managed to chew through it and beat abhorrers as goregrinders earlier, the strat for me was use warheads to eat vitality then hit with berserker and warlord

[bleak folio]

u discard both

[rancid girder]

you discard the cancelling pair

[bleak folio]

ya

[rancid girder]

so if you have a strength and a vuln you discard both

[primal flame]

Oh i see ok

[bleak folio]

hence "cancel each other out"

[night hedge]

managed to keep the berserker going for a while, and gave it speed so it could get right to killing

[primal flame]

Wait so why do some tokens only cancel certain tokens then if it doesnt matter?

[keen ravine]

https://vxtwitter.com/garden4gnostic/status/1698034129516876006/photo/1 average igorri necros

[bleak folio]

wdym?

[real bane]

If a character dies in the middle of an action, such as a step taking it into a hazard, does it still resolve?

[primal flame]

Like if i gain 1 strength while i have 1 vuln, and i can just discard both

Why does it specify that strength only cancels weak?

[bleak folio]

oh loller just mispoke i think

[tiny fulcrum]

That was a typo

Loller meant Strength and Weak

[primal flame]

Oh i see lol

[bleak folio]

yeah

[primal flame]

Follow up question then, for the sake of doom does it not matter what positive token you gain?

[rancid girder]

err sorry I meant strength and weak

or vit and vuln

[bleak folio]

nope

[primal flame]

I see, thank you!

[real bane]

It didn't end up mattering, but still, what's y'alls verdict on this?

[pale echo]

Personally I'd say not

[real bane]

Fair

also: update:

I managed to clutch it out, gamers

(necro arts by c--iiii6w6)

[spice stag]

Got a lil greedy and paid for it, sadge

[real bane]

Operator had me at <3 HP for the longest time, and I only managed to eke out a win by putting the EGIS at 1 and surrounded by hazards, and the op at 1 and on a hazard

Corpse Violet came in clutch, Starmetal Godsword's 5+ came in clutch, Will of God came in clutch,

could have gone with something other than winter sprout tho

[tacit cedar]

doom is not cleared by any tokens, only by its own method or by abilities that clear tokens

[real bane]

Antipriest sure is a unit you can use though

He's lucky he could do any damage and I could use Grand Oath on 'im

[night hedge]

when i was using an egis it got 1 mortar shot off then died the turn after lol

[real bane]

I found getting past carcass' armor real tedious

especially when it had 6 HP underneath and was a non-critical unit

[umbral cipher]

The thing about Egis is that it doesn't actually deal a ton of damage, it is just real damn beefy

[elfin ermine]

for me its actually made my game a complete sweep lol

[umbral cipher]

It's a giant wall of a unit

[night hedge]

idk mortar is really good

[brazen pine]

big boy get a elevation here?

[elfin ermine]

generating 2 vitality on penitents makes them incredibly hard to kill

[night hedge]

i believe so yes

[umbral cipher]

Oh no it absolutely is

[night hedge]

otherwise getting elevation for tyrants would be super hard

[umbral cipher]

But Egis doesn't absolutely murder things like Beserker or Homonculous does

[night hedge]

true yeah

[glacial junco]

Whats the command to get the Maleghast role?

[night hedge]

berserker is a murderblender and homonculous is great at getting buffs to be a murder blender

[real bane]

Oh sure, but

• Absolution already did that
• They were hardly attacking mine
• Spite
• Even-numbered turns kept getting in the way

[elfin ermine]

I count it only if you draw the attack from that space

if its from anywhere else, nah

[tired bolt]

i have given it to you

[glacial junco]

Homonculous can steal berzerk tokens and its mean

[glacial junco]

Ty

[hexed horizon]

May I too please?

[elfin ermine]

the first ability is situational, but the trick is that it can generate two turns worth of vitality actions, since its based on its turn

[glacial junco]

I love my huge son. He kills and eats and grows strong

[elfin ermine]

turn 1 Gentleness can give everyone 2 vitality

[real bane]

hm, true

[elfin ermine]

I do think its situational tho

[umbral cipher]

Done

[glacial junco]

Got a good head on his shoulders even if its not entirely his

[elfin ermine]

usually I'd take the instant vit

[rancid girder]

single target is bad but it can really punish grouping with the mortar and the linegun notably doesn't need to roll to hit

[real bane]

I guess the clutch Delay Judgement is good too, even if it never ended up paying off here

[tacit cedar]

the line gun is cool

[rancid girder]

and it's a really sturdy brick

[umbral cipher]

Yeah

[tacit cedar]

nowhere to hide

[hexed horizon]

merci beaucoup

[umbral cipher]

It is reliable and it is big

[real bane]

(since I managed to kill the freshly revived Inquisitor myself with a poorly placed Excoriate)

[umbral cipher]

And that is what you need sometimes

[real bane]

EGIS kind of rules in a CARCASS ditto? big aoes, big fire damage

[elfin ermine]

Delay Judgement is interesting because Miracle doesnt go away

so it can just keep someone alive an absurd amount of time

[undone kestrel]

Barrelform done apart from final curing. Should be good to go as a one-part cast.

[real bane]

it

it does though?

[elfin ermine]

it does?

[real bane]

(if they already have Miracle)

[tiny fulcrum]

It literally does

[elfin ermine]

at the end

of their next turn

[real bane]

oh right

[elfin ermine]

but until the end of their next turn

if they die

[real bane]

yeah, they can keep being saved by that 2+

[elfin ermine]

2+ chance to come back

[primal flame]

Oh i see, i thought the whole “clearing normally” part in its description meant you could gain any 1 pos token and you could just clear 1 doom

[elfin ermine]

if they come back, 2+ chance to come back

[primal flame]

That makes. A little more sense lol

[elfin ermine]

I still think its a little niche, you dont want to rely on spending actions and having your units die multiple times lol

but it could be interesting

[night hedge]

yeah it's super good, forces formation to break up

[tacit cedar]

yeah it means clears normally as in it's own method isn't an exclusive replacement to other token clear

[real bane]

catch me using Delay Judgement to give the holy body miracle

then it just never getting attacked

[night hedge]

holy body is usally like the last thing to target

[real bane]

(aside from one wholly absorbed Catachism devil cannon)

[night hedge]

it's just Too Damn Bulky

[elfin ermine]

is this free spaces?

or

can you create the spaces, but only deal damage if they were already in range?

or is it budget Holy Body's artillery

[tiny fulcrum]

Page 18, Creation Effects

Free spaces only

Bolides is also free spaces only now

[elfin ermine]

ah ty

[rancid girder]

I think enforcer flashbang + devil bullet STG is probably a solid finisher

[lethal trench]

you can only create stuff under a unit if it says so explicitly

[rancid girder]

flashbang to prevent body block

[night hedge]

damn yeah that's good

devil bullet straight to the grave takes a while to pull off but damn is it cool

[latent sun]

no more walls...

[night hedge]

massive amounts of wall creation too stronk

[elfin ermine]

the walls were still annoying in current form in the game I just finished

but uhhh it was a huge sweep

[night hedge]

what was the match up?

[crisp night]

walls should still be annoying just not annoying on the entire arena

[pine crescent]

Is this Tabletop Simulator?

[elfin ermine]

yup, used one of the boards up

[elfin ermine]

Goregrinders + Dead Souls vs Abhorrers + Carcass

[pine crescent]

Suddenly questioning the 5 months I've put into IsoCON

[elfin ermine]

I didn't want 2v2s but I got outvoted: most other players ended up unhappy rip

I took a double penitent, antipriest, holy body team comp

[rugged cloud]

The Dead Souls Abhorrers teamup seems very synergistic

[elfin ermine]

goregrinders could not get through at all

[halcyon wharf]

I'm working on a ocr'd and file size reduced pdf

Is there any ok way to share that?

[elfin ermine]

Dead Souls found it hard to doom in a 2v2

and I focused the units that could do it anyway early

by round 2 it was pretty much over - it didnt end until round 4

[brazen pine]

Wild Mutation, necromancer's turn, can they apply the token to an ally within range 4

[night hedge]

yeah i think if my opponent today had a penitent i wouldn't have gotten through as quick as i did - super armour got hands

[elfin ermine]

they did not find it fun

[night hedge]

that's, not great but may be a team comp issue

[elfin ermine]

he did an Igorri sweep the other day too

so far he's 2 for 2 for games that are effectively finished early round 2

[tiny fulcrum]

Goregrinders is honestly 80% target prioritisation tbh

In that team comp you gank the Antipriest then fly over to the Deadsouls which you can murder with extreme efficiency

[night hedge]

yeah exactly

[elfin ermine]

this was a 2v2, goregrinders was with the dead souls player

honestly they had some antisynergy too

walls and adverse terrain, berserk

[tiny fulcrum]

Carcass, then

[night hedge]

goregrinders doesn't have a great match up vs carcass or abhorrers compared to how they fare against other factions, but even so that's mostly target priority

[elfin ermine]

my abhorrers didnt have much damage, to be fair

[night hedge]

like ignore enforcers and egis and focus the wights goblins and barrel forms

[elfin ermine]

it took turns to finish off the dead souls necromancer, and I bounded off the demon

[elfin ermine]

but yeah I was able to frontline for my ally

[night hedge]

ignore penitents and focus zealots inquisitors and antipriests

[elfin ermine]

the teams were randomly flipped too, it mightve just been a rough match

[tiny fulcrum]

Grinders also get significantly better against those two factions with upgrades

[night hedge]

true yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

Especially with the Pilebunker/Apoplexy combo

[elfin ermine]

most of what I did early was antipriest + grand oath the gunwights

and just block easy access to the backline

[tiny fulcrum]

No Painwheels on their end?

[elfin ermine]

nope

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah that's definitely part of the problem

[elfin ermine]

berserker, double pain ghoul, carnifex, aggresively specced warlord

dead souls was chosen, demon, 4 sacrifices

kind of a support overload

[night hedge]

do u mean spine devil blade combo?

[tiny fulcrum]

Nah

I mean you could do that

But Pilebunker kills you significantly less

[night hedge]

true

[elfin ermine]

it was also tough with default deployment for 2v2 to fit everyone on a side of the map

[night hedge]

i'm not personally a big fan of pilebunker cause -1D is really significant

i prefer some reliability

[elfin ermine]

I'd probably run 2v2 as each player gets a side

[tiny fulcrum]

It's a tyrant/low def buster

[night hedge]

mm, true

that makes more sense now actually

[tiny fulcrum]

If you ignite -> apoplexy T2 then T3 Pilebunker you one tap any non-Holy Body tyrant baseline

[night hedge]

goddam

[tiny fulcrum]

And that leaves the Body at 2hp 0 vit

Easy Glory Kill setup

[night hedge]

you can ignite apoplexy turn 1 and move

then pile bunker t2

[tiny fulcrum]

Ignite needs a soul, so you'd need something to die

[night hedge]

ahhh played it wrong today

[lethal trench]

you don't gain Soul from round in the first round yeah

[night hedge]

idk why but we thought first turn you start with 1 soul, which it clearly states isn't the case

yeah

didn't make too big a difference so no biggy

admittedly if you play super aggressive with warheads and use your necromancer last you can do it in 1 turn

[tiny fulcrum]

Double Pain Ghoul is particularly confusing to me

I do think this was a team comp thing

[night hedge]

pain ghoul is decent but like, double?

[umbral cipher]

Painwheels I find are very important against Carcass

[night hedge]

speed and berserk are decent but not worth doubling up on application for that unless you have pain wheels

[night hedge]

i think this build could handle them given how it dealt with abhorrers

House: GOREGRINDERS
Malice: Spite
Slots: 5

2x Warheads

2x Warheads

2x Warheads

Pain Ghoul

Berserker

Warlord Lily-Anne
- Nerve Twitch
- Frenzy Chain
- Blood Boil```

[elfin ermine]

yeah he was frustrated by the end because he started thinking you need thralls on most of these team comps

[night hedge]

thralls are good but like, never necessary if you're not doing big soul stuff

[brazen pine]

just experienced devil bullet + STG on my full hp necromancer 😔

[spice stag]

oof

[night hedge]

R.I.P

[elfin ermine]

btw I love Penitents

such a good unit

[crisp night]

officially off work, gonna finalize the 1.1 update files fo foundry

[elfin ermine]

mixed damage sources, the hazard always helps

some support and aoe options, good range, super armor

just a workhorse

[night hedge]

yeah penitents get shit done

terrified of fighting them, tbh

[elfin ermine]

I split the difference with zealots until their minor nerf

but double penitent is pretty good in most matches, and brutal against people who find it hard to break armor

[crisp night]

huh. funny thing i just discovered is that the foundry egis weapon doesn't say it has armor

[tiny fulcrum]

@silent sluice your Roster has an error, the Goregrinder Warlord's Blood Boil SOUL upgrade reads the target as "Your Necromancer" when it should be "Unit"

[crisp night]

well it will now

[real bane]

Bullet Time and Winter Rose Stance, who wins

(Operator and Exorcist, respectively)

[lethal trench]

Unclear, we happened on this too yesterday

I think personally Winter Rose should win out, but it's really hot clear either way

[night hedge]

i'd say split the difference and just make it a normal roll to hit

[halcyon wharf]

Came out pretty nice its text searchable and 22 mb

[silent sluice]

I've changed it to "target unit" but the intent isn't clear.

[halcyon wharf]

Hmm I guess just prove you bought it and I can send it or something

[crisp night]

👍

updated 1.1 json for foundry coming in the next few minutes

just gotta export

[tiny fulcrum]

It would be awful if it was only intended to target your Necro, not to mention the final text would be useless

Your necromancer obliterates and you lose before the fire damage ever happens

99% sure its just "any unit"

[stray gate]

Winter rose stance states that "all misses turn into hits" and bullet time states that "ranged attacks automatically miss"

Therefor:

1. Ranged attack made against operator, is considered a miss due to bullet time.
2. Winter rose stance converts the miss into a hit.
3. Ranged attack hits operator.

at least as far as I can tell

[real bane]

that makes sense

[real bane]

Do I just dm you about it, CYAN?

[stray gate]

its kinda rules lawyery and might be reading too much into specific wording here, but its the best answer I can get 🤷‍♀️

[night hedge]

yeah turns all misses into hits makese sense

[pale echo]

No I think that checks out

[night hedge]

i think that being specified may actually be because of bullet time

[halcyon wharf]

Yeah I think that's best (rip my dms for the next couple days lmfao)

[lethal trench]

that's my interpretation as well

[silent sluice]

I've changed it to "any"

[tiny fulcrum]

Coolio!

[warped mirage]

dies to goregrinders bc you rolled bad and your Special Sexy Tokens just didn't happen

this game is good bc losing can still be fun i just led a friend of mine on a loony-toons wild goose chase through a labrynth even though i knew i wasn't going to win

[candid monolith]

I must simply bumrush the enemy before they have the chance to defeat me. The walls have taught me well

[crisp night]

updated Foundry data for Maleghast 1.1! This is for the ICON system, not for Simple Worldbuilding!

[patent steeple]

this is for the icon system, just fyi

[crisp night]

@brittle otter was a massive help and i literally would have had no idea what to do with this without them

oh yeah doy

yeah it's an update for the icon one

not simple worldbuilding

[brittle otter]

Hope peeps are getting good use out of it

[brittle otter]

Do also add that it's for the ICON system in the orignal now pinned message @crisp night

[crisp night]

👍

[lethal trench]

do I just replace the module folder with this data?

[brittle otter]

It all works the same, just different data, so just replace the module yeah

[crisp night]

all i changed was some values, descriptions, and added deathwash

none of the guts are different

[thick sphinx]

So, the Pilebunker is actually just as reliable as the Chainblade - and does more damage - for any DEF value below 5+. Below 4+ the Pilebunker is actually more reliable

Think about it this way. Attacking a target with DEF 4+:

• With the Pilebunker, you roll two dice and take the lower, so you need to roll a 4+ on both dice. If you miss, you do 1 damage. If you hit, you do 3 (2 phys + 1 fire)
• With the chainblade, you roll one dice and hit on a 4+. If you miss, you do 1 damage. If you hit... you do 1 damage. The same as a miss, and the same as a miss with the pilebunker. Then you roll an effect die, and only if that is also a 4+ do you get another 1 fire damage. Same sequence of rolls, one less damage than the pilebunker.

5+ DEF and no armor is where the Chainblade starts to shine, because the chainblade's second roll is independent of the targets DEF while the Pilebunker's is. This also means that the Pilebunker actually gets its damage boost more often against lower-def targets than the chainblade does.

That's not taking into account the Pilebunker's greater utility against armored targets

[rugged cloud]

Chain blade is arguably better with strength I think(might be forgoring something)

[real bane]

you know I've kinda been avoiding them because Banshees make me horribly uncomfortable but maybe there's something to this Deadsouls thing

[night hedge]

ahhh gotcha

[night hedge]

yeah i agree there

[thick sphinx]

Even taking into account the chainblade's additional damage on a six, the Pilebunker always does either more or the same amount of average damage against any target with a def value lower that 5+

[night hedge]

3 strength and it'll out damage the pile bunker on a good effect roll

[thick sphinx]

No matter how many strength tokens you have. With 3 strength tokens, the chainblade's max damage is higher though

[tiny fulcrum]

Here's the thing, that isn't even actually true

The Warlord gets a free Berserk token every turn

[thick sphinx]

(Again, not factoring in armor)

[tiny fulcrum]

If you factor the Berserk in a 3 Str Pilebunker hit does 3 - 2 - 2

[small locust]

Also for those of yall on tabletop sim, i would recommend looking up warhammer: cursed city for some fun tiles to use for the map layout

[tiny fulcrum]

Where a Chainblade does 2 - 2 - 2 - 1

Bunker is just better into armour in that scenario and it only needs to hit

Not hit then 6+

[thick sphinx]

Good point, pilebunker does still have a use for that third token

I'd forgotten

You'd need four strength tokens to tip the balance, and even then that assumes only one target for berserk

[crisp night]

hmmmmm i've reaaaally been itching to play

might be open for a game in a bit

[thick sphinx]

I think it might be harder than I'm expecting to keep that per-round berserk token around though, since you're forced to blow it on your move if you're not already adjacent to a target or already have a speed token

[thick sphinx]

Beautiful board

[tiny fulcrum]

It's a May, not a Must

So you don't have to

[small locust]

Ty, like i said it uses Warhammer Quests Cursed city tiles and then maleghast tokens

[crisp night]

i think skaven and gargamox would get along

[lethal trench]

yeah I see that one more as you can consume it as Speed if you don't want the Berserk effect happening

[tiny fulcrum]

Yup, that's where I'm at

[vague elbow]

how long are games taking for people who are more expeirenced at this point? what about higher player count like 2v2s?

[umbral cipher]

Big 2v2s can go up to about 3 hours

Smaller games are 1.5-2

[patent steeple]

i had a 1 hr game that lasted 3 rounds, and a 1.5 hr game that lasted 4 rounds

both 1v1

first game was abhorrers vs mox
second was carcass vs deadsouls

[vague elbow]

nice nice

[crisp night]

bahhhh hell with it, i've got time
anyone up for a match? spite, since it's only my second one and i want just one more match to get acclimated to things

i have foundry and forge so i'll host it

[night hedge]

can spine devil blade damage go up to 5 semi easily? 1 strength used as a normal strength token, + 3 berserk spent on boosting damage

with the three berserk being from self gen + painghoul

[spice stag]

I have a forge account I can play. first time using the vtt tho

[lavish verge]

I realize it is still early in the game's life, but what experiences has everyone had with the different houses?

Every game I have played had the Igorri winning with almost little competition

[crisp night]

that's totally fine, it's only my second game anyway and i'm a foundry novice

i can run you through stuff

send me your team and i'll plug it into the world, get stuff set up then i'll tell you when i'm ready

[spice stag]

sounds good its my second game to lol

[crisp night]

perfect

[night hedge]

gore grinders plays exactly as they're meant to, hyper aggression pays off but is also risky

+1D from formation for carcass lets headshot happen a lot

gargamox can pull some really scary stuff

[thick sphinx]

That's not how I'd initially read it but I definitely prefer that reading

[spice stag]

whats the unit max?

4 or 5?

[night hedge]

abhorrers is also super tanky

[crisp night]

5

[night hedge]

5 for 1v1, 4 for 2v2

although 2 thralls count as 1 slot

[spice stag]

alrighty , [Units]

1x Egis Weapon
2x Barrelform
2x Ammo Goblin

[night hedge]

but you activate those 2 at a time so same number of turns

[night hedge]

yeah that'd work

[crisp night]

cool, and necromancer trait/act/soul?

[spice stag]

[Necromancer]
Operator <2Pick>
Bonus Trait: Bone Wall

[ACT Upgrades]
Devil Bullet

[SOUL Upgrades]
Frag Bullet

[crisp night]

👍

give me just a little bit and i'll get back to you when it's ready

[spice stag]

take your time

[crisp night]

okay, it's all set

wanna hop in a vc or would you rather do it through the in-game chat in foundry

[spice stag]

also quick ruling question. Is the reload specific to individual acts or does it apply to all acts that have the reload trait

[real bane]

Do Infect effects that are their own clause require a hit?

[spice stag]

yeah ill hop in vc

which one

[crisp night]

horus hangout, favorite manufacturer from lancer

[crisp night]

all acts

it's a binary

which is why living cannon is a little bit confusing

[spice stag]

thats what i thought, thanks

[tiny fulcrum]

It says "may" in the text, I don't think it gets too much clearer than that

[pale echo]

By my reading, Graze means you only get the 1 damage

no extra effects

[real bane]

TIL grazes inherit damage types

[lethal trench]

yep

[tacit cedar]

if it says 'effect:' it doesn't require a hit, otherwise it does

for attacks

so yeah I think cause from a brief look all infect is part of an 'on hit:'

[real bane]

noted

[short cloud]

heresy sauce, perhaps? ```
<Punk Tactics>

House: Gargamox | Heresy: CARCASS
Malice: Loathing (4) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
1x2 SCUM (Aftermath)
2x Barrelform (Caliber Up)
2x Rotten (Invigorating Viscera)

[Necromancer]
Plaguelord
Bonus Trait: Spreader

[ACT Upgrades]
Carniphagous Blade | Superkick

[SOUL Upgrades]
Purge Guts

[primal nest]

Huh. Athermath and barrel forms but no catalyze?

[thick sphinx]

Yeah, no, I agree with you. For some reason my brain was stuck on "must spend"

[short cloud]

catylyze?

[primal nest]

The other rotten upgrade

[short cloud]

ok

[primal nest]

Makes vomitous mass deals 1 toxic when targets are in a hazard

[short cloud]

and i guess insides out would be better than purge guts then?

[primal nest]

Ye

[short cloud]

ok

anything else?

i know gargamox herersy CARCASS is buncha hazards, barrelforms

melee units to protecc the barrelforms

[primal nest]

I say that cuz vomitous mass has no to hit roll, which means with death mark and plague up that’s a guarantee’d 3 toxic

[short cloud]

any other better options?

[primal nest]

No. this seems pretty solid

[short cloud]

ok

so this?

<Punk Tactics>

House: Gargamox | Heresy: CARCASS
Malice: Loathing (4) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
1x2 SCUM (Aftermath)
2x  Barrelform (Caliber Up)
2x  Rotten (Catalyze)

[Necromancer]
Plaguelord
Bonus Trait: Spreader

[ACT Upgrades]
Carniphagous Blade | Superkick

[SOUL Upgrades]
Insides Out

[primal nest]

Yeye

[short cloud]

ok

[primal nest]

Gargamaxing

Invigorating Viscera, while cool, is a lot better if you are running a leech

Atleast in theory

[short cloud]

yeah id rather have the extra melee unit

[primal nest]

Ye ye, and losing the scum is not ideal cuz then your hazard and plague gen is pretty low

[crisp night]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-omg-danny-devito-oh-my-god-gif-15873107

playing gargamox

[short cloud]

any particularly good archetypes for nonheresy gargamox and CARCASS on loathing?

also im curious on necromancer builds for both of those on the basic spite "take one of each unit" lists. this is what ive got rn.

House: Gargamox
Malice: Spite (0) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
1x2 SCUM
1x  Rotten
1x  Leech
1x  Host
1x  Slime

[Necromancer]
Plaguelord
Bonus Trait: Pollution Shroud

[ACT Upgrades]
Scourge

[SOUL Upgrades]
Purge Guts

House: CARCASS
Malice: Spite (0) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
1x2 Gunwight
1x  Enforcer
1x  Ammo Goblin
1x  Barrelform
1x  EGIS Weapon

[Necromancer]
Operator
Bonus Trait: Bone Wall

[ACT Upgrades]
SG88 Double Barrel

[SOUL Upgrades]
Double Tap

[hexed coral]

Came off the Deadsouls gaming? I'm not such a big fan, how's their gameplay holding up?

[primal nest]

I have some fun ones I came up with

[crisp night]

it's VERY fun so far

about as much fun as i had with deadsouls

dont worry i still love the souls

[primal nest]

- Plaguelord Myca: Spreader, Necrotide, Carniphagous Blade. Fecundity, Purge Guts
- Fester Clone" Rotten x3 (3 pts) (Invigorating Viscera)
- "Footstools" Leech x1 (1 pt) (Massive Swell)
- “Funguys” Host x1 (1 pt) ```

You could swap out the host with a slime

You setup up the rotten death ball and let your leech do the funny

[short cloud]

ok

[primal nest]

I also think swapping out a rotten for another leech could work as well

[short cloud]

but the main thing for this list is the rotten deathball?

[primal nest]

Ye it’s mainly if you want a lil more strength gen to help break through armor

[short cloud]

ok

[short cloud]

is there a more standard gargamox list at loathing?

[primal nest]

I feel like one of everything it what people usually say for that

[short cloud]

ah ok fair

[primal nest]

Unfortunately I do not have anything for that cuz I’m a silly lil guy that likes his silly lil builds

[candid monolith]

Playable version of the Shape in the Corridor when

[hexed horizon]

Are y'all just playing gargamox now

[primal nest]

I genuinely surprised to see so many people playing mox

[short estuary]

From my experience what mox really need is the ability to break through armor and vit, so you probably want to double up on Rotten

[primal nest]

As the guy that normally plays the niche setup screen control builds it brings a tear to my trap laying eye

[short estuary]

Or take necromancer optionals that let you have str, either the blade or using necrocide

[hexed coral]

I love my deadsouls for walls but tbh

I expected way more Carcass players

[short estuary]

I've seen a lot of carcass myself

[hexed coral]

It's really good to see some diversity in terms of preferences

[primal nest]

Or melt

That shit crazy now

[vague elbow]

people love the gargamaxxing

I played them my second game and it was really fun

[short estuary]

I'm a mostly gargamox main at this point

[vague elbow]

I really want to play all of them, not big on maining personaly

[umbral cipher]

Carcass is fun but I really liked Iggori

[glacial junco]

Proove it Fight me now

[short estuary]

I am busy but I would

[night hedge]

i'm in love with goregrinders tbh

[rancid girder]

living cannon w/ goblin to shoot every turn

[hexed coral]

I've yet to find a proper game buut

[night hedge]

dam lollerisms got hands

[hexed coral]

Deadsouls are where it's at

[night hedge]

that's a really neat tech

[night hedge]

mox populi with 2 units of scum

[rancid girder]

because 6 tile range will reach out to your opponent's deploy zone and I've noticed that people tend to clump that early

[vague elbow]

took this, it was amazing

[rancid girder]

so you can reach out real damn far

[night hedge]

fought it, it was terrifying

[rancid girder]

also if your opponents brings a tyrant splash effects on a tyrant hit 50% more squares than otherwise

[vivid yew]

Anyone playing in TTS right now? I'd be interested in playing

[umbral cipher]

Iggori is exactly like, the level of complexity texture that feels really good to me

[night hedge]

i only won the fight cause my opponent blundered

[rancid girder]

I'd be up for it

anyone else?

[short cloud]

what other units/upgrades?

[vague elbow]

frankly only reason I won was because my buddy greeded instead of just blasting me to hell

[rancid girder]

frag bullet pairs well with living cannon imo

since you've got so much range

double tap because you're chucking big AoEs downrange

imo EGIS/Cannon is enough ranged firepower so you can dip two enforcers to put up a really nasty frontline

[vague elbow]

I body blocked the last unit that was near me to get the mox populi off, meaning I was open for almost a full turn

[rancid girder]

STG is always solid as an endgame wincon

@vivid yew hop into voice, I can get the board set up

[short cloud]

then gunwights?

[vivid yew]

Alrighty

[rancid girder]

gunwights are a bit fragile and the list imo doesn't need the ranged capability if you're running EGIS/cannon

[short cloud]

ok, but what about the fifth unit?

[rancid girder]

goblin to reload the cannon

[short cloud]

so 2 goblins, 2 enforcers, egis weapon?

[rancid girder]

one goblin, 2 enforcers, EGIS

oh five slot game

eh pick your preference

barrelform probably isn't bad, gunwights to fill space, /shrug

[short cloud]

House: CARCASS
Malice: Loathing (4) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
1x2 Gunwight
2x  Enforcer
1x  EGIS Weapon
1x  Ammo Goblin

[Necromancer]
Operator
Bonus Trait:  + Choose One More

[ACT Upgrades]
LV4 Living Cannon

[SOUL Upgrades]
Frag Bullet | Double Tap | S.T.G.

2 more upgrades?

also, clutch reload or bone wall?

[crisp night]

victory

the sludge is coming

there was once an egis weapon on this board but if you see the little square of hazards that is what it turned into

corpse explosion didnt get used much but damn was it funny turning a tyrant into a map feature

[short cloud]

somehting like this? ```
House: CARCASS
Malice: Loathing (4) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
1x2 Gunwight
2x Enforcer (Bulwark)
1x EGIS Weapon (Gunner Pivot)
1x Ammo Goblin

[Necromancer]
Operator
Bonus Trait: Bone Wall

[ACT Upgrades]
LV4 Living Cannon

[SOUL Upgrades]
Frag Bullet | Double Tap | S.T.G.

[night hedge]

clutch reload could be nice for giving yourself some movement options, although i suppose that's what bullet slide is for

bone wall is also really nice for durability

make sure to not discount using akimbo whilst you have the LV4, it's really good damage

and range 2-5 when you're behind cover with bone wall

heavy caliber is also a potential switch out for the egis just for wall destruction

[crisp night]

my mox team comp worked shockingly well; though i will say i got lucky

my opponent didn't hit me with egis's mortar or cannon which would have turned my offensive line of scum into a chunky green paste instantly

three rotten is a lot of high-damage beefy utility, being able to swap between plague distribution or hazard placement or just slapping someone with poison damage with strength from plague is awesome

i am not considering changing the three rotten strat; i am considering changing the four scum strat

maybe picking up a slime or a leech

or maybe i will ignore my own advice, pick up mox populi, and cackle

[charred glacier]

Alright y'all, I tried a totally different strategy, phynx progress 2

[short cloud]

but, smth like this?

House: CARCASS
Malice: Loathing (4) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
2x  Enforcer (Bulwark)
1x  Ammo Goblin
1x  Barrelform
1x  EGIS Weapon (Gunner Pivot)

[Necromancer]
Operator
Bonus Trait: Bone Wall

[ACT Upgrades]
LV4 Living Cannon

[SOUL Upgrades]
Frag Bullet | Double Tap | S.T.G.

[harsh gorge]

do vitality tokens block devil damage?

just rq

[crisp night]

dont think so

devil is kind of just "you take this much damage fullstop"

[harsh gorge]

cool cool cool

[pale echo]

"cannot be reduced or ignored for any reason"

[harsh gorge]

in a skirmish rn

so thigns are being

[thick sphinx]

Nope. "[Devil Damage] can't be reduced or ignored for any reason"

[harsh gorge]

FUNNY

ye ye yeey eyeyye

sorry the abhorrer necro has a doom on 6 hp and its round 4

so

theyre thinking of ways to see if they survive

were checking all of this

[hexed coral]

Sweet! gg

[crisp night]

i can't lie to you polke

i think i like gargamox more

i might start gargamaxxing

[thick sphinx]

Do they have an Antipriest or Penitent with activations left?

Or the ability to kill something?

[harsh gorge]

their penitent is too far away

and i have too many hazard

[hexed coral]

Can't believe I'll have to kill you now

[harsh gorge]

>:)))))

>:33333

[crisp night]

don't worry i'll just come back as a scum

[thick sphinx]

I mean, Exorcist can move to the penitent

[hexed coral]

Time for me to obliterate you then smh. No coming back from that

[harsh gorge]

YESSS

[crisp night]

True...

[thick sphinx]

Doom is end of round, not end of turn

[harsh gorge]

yes

but uh

the exorcist already went

[crisp night]

i'll definitely still play deadsouls but not as much

[harsh gorge]

>:)

AHAAHAHHAHAH

[glacial junco]

Big brained chess menuvers

[crisp night]

gargamox full rotten team is too funny

[harsh gorge]

YESSSS
YESSSSSSSSSSS

DOOOOOOOOM

[thick sphinx]

Ah. Then they can die in glory

[harsh gorge]

DOOOOOOM

[glacial junco]

U love to see it

[timber onyx]

Someone should do a thralls only tournament

[harsh gorge]

A AHAHHAHAHAH

[thick sphinx]

Or maybe use Resurrection?

[timber onyx]

Find the optimal thrall

[patent steeple]

heresy perhaps?

[brazen pine]

thralls only tournament but you get 1 thrall and nothing else, no necromancers or anything

[rancid girder]

I'm honestly not a fan of any of the gunwight upgrades

[short cloud]

those are traits

[rancid girder]

oh

[thick sphinx]

I'd just want to see two sets of "Oops, All Warheads" mulching each other

[rancid girder]

OH

gun kata imo

[timber onyx]

brace seems fun in combo with an egis

[rancid girder]

gives you flexibility if enemies close on you

[timber onyx]

Cover anywhere you want it

[rancid girder]

brace runs into the issue that being behind the EGIS is kinda hard

since the map is small and the EGIS wants to be shooting and reloading

[timber onyx]

I mean you are in cover when next to the egis

Even if you dont have cover from anything shooting at you

Like you dont need to have cover from whatever you're shooting at to benefit from brace

Stand in front of or beside the egis and benefit from extra range

Idk if that would actually be good but if im not mistaken thats how it works

[rancid girder]

oh right true

[rancid girder]

if berserk hits only armored targets does it do self damage

[crisp night]

VERMINTIDE 
Gargamox Black Mass - Hatred

Cobra-Spit Connie (Plaguelord)
TRAITS | Blessed with Filth, Corruptor
ACT | Virulence, Corpse Explosion, Necrocide, Vermin Form
SOUL | Infest, Insides Out, Slime Form, Unholy Vapors, Mox Populi

Bernard, Barnabas, Billy, and Bobby (Scum x4)
Benjamin and Barry (Rotten x2)
Paul (Host x1)

my mox hatred list

sacrificed a rotten f

Fucking forgot upgrades

one sec

[crisp night]

that's a good question; i would say yes

[vague elbow]

same

[glacial junco]

GREEN

wrong reply target

[crisp night]

VERMINTIDE 
Gargamox Black Mass - Hatred

Cobra-Spit Connie (Plaguelord)
TRAITS | Blessed with Filth, Corruptor
ACT | Virulence, Corpse Explosion, Necrocide, Vermin Form
SOUL | Infest, Insides Out, Slime Form, Unholy Vapors, Mox Populi

Bernard, Barnabas, Billy, and Bobby (Aftermath Scum x4)
Benjamin and Barry (Catalyze Rotten x2)
Paul (Defiler Host x1)

THERE we go

as much as i wanted to keep the three rotten

host is just too good for hazard-focused gameplans

[tiny fulcrum]

Without Strength tokens yes

With the change to Vit it's clear 0 damage = no damage

[rancid girder]

CARCASS vs Goregrinders: 8x8 board

CARCASS: Gun Kata/Living Cannon/Double Tap, EGIS, 2x Enforcer, 1x Goblin, 1x Barrelform
Goregrinders: Nerve Twitch/Sawtooth/Hellrider, 2x Carnifex, 4x Warhead, 1x Pain Ghoul

Result: CARCASS victory round 3 by necromancer kill

Thoughts:

1. Goregrinders really need things to punch through armor in matchups that have armor. I was able to ignore a lot of my opponent's stuff because it was unable to deal with armor
   1a. Goregrinders are generally able to make it to melee contact turn 1
2. Living cannon can hit the enemy deployment zone turn 1, which lets you get really good AOEs and just generally hit the entire board. Also with the operator + strength on reload and a goblin I was gaining three strength tokens a turn
3. I need to stop taking double tap
4. EGIS is really, really good
5. Okay I might have slept on enforcers. They are very durable and the guaranteed flashbang damage is very good
6. Nerve twitch would be a lot better if CARCASS didn't have two units that don't need to roll to hit

nobody ever saw me say goredrinkers it never happened and any evidence to the contrary isn't real

in unrelated news league is destroying my brain

[tiny fulcrum]

What was your list?

[rancid girder]

CARCASS

[umbral cipher]

Double Tap rocks but goregrinders specifically beat it lmao

[tiny fulcrum]

No like, your full unit comp

[crisp night]

it's up there in the message at the top

egis, two enforcers, goblin, barrelform

[rancid girder]

second line

[tiny fulcrum]

Ah

I need to test out Carcass vs Goregrinders but I think you need to be extremely careful giving them anti-armour options

Because they can do absolutely fucked damage

[rugged cloud]

❤️

[umbral cipher]

That's mostly it yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

And they're the fastest faction in the game, and they need the least setup

[rancid girder]

I was thinking in terms of listbuilding

against carcass you need something to crack armor

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah that list brought no Painwheels and no Berserker

Super rough for them to crack your line

[umbral cipher]

Painwheels are vital yeah

[small locust]

Hey for Gargamox, do I add a plague token to my necromancer each round or at the start of my every single turn?

[tiny fulcrum]

The situation gets better at higher Malice as well

[arctic solar]

Necro's turn only

[small locust]

Goootcha

[rancid girder]

.........

@vivid yew we forgot that body block was a thing

you probably could have survived a lot more of that second game if I remembered that that was a rule

[vivid yew]

shit lol

[crisp night]

man i forgot about body block too

[vivid yew]

Yeah there's a few rules I probably had a bit of a spotty memory on

[crisp night]

i need to put like a post it note in the corner for every game i play

[rancid girder]

I shot their necromancer to death and then as I'm writing the AAR went "hold on this seems a bit-oh hell"

[tiny fulcrum]

That is The Most Important Rule yeah :p

[rancid girder]

Game 2: CARCASS v Abhorrors:

CARCASS: Gun Kata/Living Cannon/Frag bullet, EGIS, 2x Enforcer, 1x Goblin, 1x Barrelform
Abhorrers: Corpse Violet/Decree of Forbiddance/Sword art safflower, Holy Body, 2x Zealot, 1x Antipriest, 1x Inquisitor

Result: CARCASS victory round 2 by necromancer kill (we forgot that body block is a rule)

Thoughts:

1. Ok carcass might be too good.
   1a. On a 8x8 board, living cannon is able to fire into the enemy deployment zone turn 1 which usually means a two or three unit hit minimum. It is real good. Also, that is a lot of strength tokens.
   1b. Enforcer flashbangs are guaranteed range 3 1 fire 1 vulnerable and honestly that's worth quite a bit. Also, batons hurt. I slept on this unit and it's a really sturdy surprisingly hard hitting lineman.
2. Ammo goblins are actually pretty squishy. Against opponents with ranged damage I might want to hide it in the back given how important it is to the build
3. Splashes just destroy walls

[umbral cipher]

yeah I keep forgoring BB too

[rancid girder]

I kept firing at range with all of the bullshit and had body block been a thing that game probably would have gone very differently

my bad

[vivid yew]

Nah it's good I still had a lot of fun

[rancid girder]

also, the game runs surprisingly well in TTS compared to roll20

[vivid yew]

Could've done better if I wasn't gungho with my Necromancer/used my Holy Body a bit better

[rancid girder]

being able to drag around physical unit cards and tokens is pretty convenient

also living cannon....good

range six AoEs are a hell of a thing

[crisp night]

carcass does seem really scary yeah. the only reason i won my match vs them earlier was because my opponent forgot to use egis weapon's attacks first round

it could have just barely clipped my necro

and then the splash from mortar would have obliterated most of my thralls

but i proceeded to hard focus it and beat it into the floor because i was worried of that exact thing

[vivid yew]

I'm not sure if either Carcass has a little too much armor for being a ranged faction or if Goregrinder has too little for the melee faction

[crisp night]

my opponent also rolled horribly unlucky a lot of the time. if they hadn't grazed so much i would have lost i'm sure

[opaque socket]

Well Carcass has like what, 3 units with armor

[tacit cedar]

I think carcass is just partially the armour faction

[opaque socket]

one of them is the necro

Gunwights have no armor

its only the Egis and Enforcers that do

[tacit cedar]

yeah necro and egis are both one offs

[rancid girder]

I took a pretty armor skewed list

[opaque socket]

Enforcers kinda need it cause they are basically a frontline

[rancid girder]

two enforcers one egis

[vivid yew]

Fair

[tacit cedar]

whereas goregrinders get blood rage which is survivability but in a way that suits the themes

[lethal trench]

did you use Necro move and Ammo Goblin to reload it continuously?

[tiny fulcrum]

The thing about Goregrinders is your units all have +1 HP

[rancid girder]

yup

fire once a turn and generate just endless piles of strength tokens while doing so

[lethal trench]

and that also stacks a ton of Strength, yeah seems pretty good

3-4 Strength every turn

[tiny fulcrum]

Goregrinders starting at Loathing can also take builds that can one tap Tyrants or other low def units reliably

[opaque socket]

Also the secret, imo, is that you can apply berserker as a token to Carcass units

:)

[tiny fulcrum]

Like they definitely aren't defenseless into armour

[umbral cipher]

Yeah it's a scary maneuver to Pain Frenzy the Egis or something

[opaque socket]

Egis especially since it spalshes and splashes on 2x2 units are wild

[rancid girder]

does splashing a wall consume strenght tokens?

[tacit cedar]

offensive berserker tokens are like ultimate anti carcass

[opaque socket]

If its the only thing you can target, i'd say yes

[rancid girder]

no like, I attack a unit next to a wall, and the splash also hits a wall

[lethal trench]

I'd assume so, yeah

[tacit cedar]

every single aspect of it is stuff carcass hates

[rancid girder]

since the wall takes damage, does that consume a strength token

[opaque socket]

you have to spend the token when you deal damage, you just chose on who if there's more than one target

[rancid girder]

fair

[opaque socket]

instead of on all of them

here

[lethal trench]

you can kind of play around it I think
depends on if you self damage with Berserk if the splash hits an armored unit

[opaque socket]

So yeah, you can force a carcass to spend a strengh token but berserking them

lol

[tacit cedar]

i would think so

[rugged cloud]

oh that works a bit diffrent than I thought, strength +aoe not hitting the entire aoe is reasonable though

[tacit cedar]

since it specifies damage and not like. affect

ignite carcass unit for 1 soul haha

its magic damage and gives beserk

it gives strength but a lot of carcass is getting more strength than they can get rid of so you have a good chance of the strength making it to the beserk proc

[rancid girder]

I believe so

[vivid yew]

Shit I didn't realize Carnifexes could actually deal Fire damage since the cards in VTT/book I was using were outdated

[lethal trench]

yeah Carni does fire damage now

on Wild Slashes

[languid lotus]

painwheel spin out too, looks like

[rancid girder]

yup

[tiny fulcrum]

That always did fire

[vivid yew]

Yeah I definitely had more options to damage than I probably realized in my first time playing lol

[languid lotus]

oh huh, didn't notice

[vivid yew]

Would Strength on Wild Slashes boost damage to all targets the attack would hit?

[lethal trench]

it spends Strength per target, like all other AoE

[lyric fog]

No, I don't believe so.
You get to spend the tokens as you choose if there are multiple triggers at once, but it's 1 token=1 damage on 1 target

[vivid yew]

Ah I see

[junior elbow]

Oh THAT'S why I kept calling them Gunwrights

[languid lotus]

do recall that token expenditure is mandatory

[vivid yew]

So you would have to spend as many Tokens as there are Targets in the AoE

[languid lotus]

ye

[junior elbow]

You can choose which ones they go on I think though, as long as it's still within the order things happen (a Then b etc)

Like if you have 2 strength in a splash with 3 targets, there isn't a forced order and you can choose which 2 get the strength

[rancid girder]

but if you do have three strength you have to use all of it

[small locust]

Well just played my first game

Went alright, lost but hey still enjoyed it, Gargamox v CARCASS

[vivid yew]

Same for my first two

[warped mirage]

carcass can pump out so much damage

[junior elbow]

Carcass beloved

[warped mirage]

i really put the fear of got into my friend in one match by oneshotting his berserker with my necro

i lost that match bc i used up all my resources too quickly tho jkagkshgklsjg

[junior elbow]

Gun: ?EXTRUDE !1g&un

[vivid yew]

My best counter in the second game as Abhorrer was to use a Holy Body and Necro with Forbiddance to just spam the fuck out of Hazards

[small locust]

My plan next time, A. Remember scum can pull up to range 3

[junior elbow]

I need to remember to reload

[small locust]

B. Maybe have more scum accompany the necromancer

[junior elbow]

And also that my operator gets strength when doing so

[vivid yew]

Still up for another game if anyone's interested

[junior elbow]

She should've been killing so many more things

[warped mirage]

slide reload is so good never forget to use it

[junior elbow]

I always forget to use it 😔

[warped mirage]

also i feel like ammo goblins are like. mandatory. you need at least one they're just too useful

[junior elbow]

Idek why since I don't save my soul for anything

[spice stag]

they are. the rest of your units are pretty bad without them. AmmoGoblins are goated

[junior elbow]

Repeatedly missing lethal in digimon and maleghast 😎

[small locust]

C. Slimes are great suicide bombers

[warped mirage]

like they provide strength for free AND bone shards gives you a THIRD way to juice your damage on top of the two you already have

[junior elbow]

I don't run any I just leave my units in the same place most of the time

[languid lotus]

hmmm. weird question: if you have strength and weakness tokens and execute an aoe with more targets than each token type, would it be possible (within the bounds of the pigeonhole principle) to have the strength tokens and weakness tokens target different units?

as an example, say i have a carnifex with 2 strength and 1 weakness run a wild slashes that catches three units in the area, two enemies and my own necromancer. would i be able to apply the weakness token to the necromancer damage (thus reducing it to zero) and the strength tokens to the enemies' damage?

[junior elbow]

Haven't really been punished yet

Strength and weakness cancel

[pale echo]

Strength and weakness can't be held on the same unit

[languid lotus]

oh

lmao i'm an idiot

[pulsar lodge]

can carcass shoot through their own units. as in LoS doesn't count for your guys?

[languid lotus]

thought the cancel was of effects

[junior elbow]

Units don't block los at all I'm pretty sure

Allied or enemy

[spice stag]

only carcass does with trait

[junior elbow]

Cover doesn't block los

[languid lotus]

egis weapon specifies it's cover, so i assume the norm is not doing it

[rancid girder]

does EGIS block friendly LoS?

[warped mirage]

no it doesn't block LOS at all

it just provides cover to allies behind it, so attacking them is -1d

[pulsar lodge]

it can be used as cover by friendly units

[junior elbow]

Walls, which provide cover, blocks los but you can get cover from elevation and stuff without los penalty

[rancid girder]

but also yeah my interpretation has been that unless they have a rule that nothing blocks LoS

[languid lotus]

ah

[rancid girder]

except walls

[junior elbow]

Los is very forgiving

[languid lotus]

if ever i make a grid tactical game i will not distinguish cover and los, just to streamline

[junior elbow]

So can you not shoot at enemies in cover at all? Or do you shoot through walls

[vivid yew]

Walls can't be shot through

[languid lotus]

los means no shoot, cover means -1d on shoot

[warped mirage]

if LoS is blocked you cannot shoot them, but if you can draw an LoS to them but they're still standing next to a wall they gain cover and are harder to shoot

[junior elbow]

I'm talking about this hypothetical wargame

[warped mirage]

hold on

[rancid girder]

you have to draw a line from any corner to any other corner that doesn't intersect with a LoS blocker

[warped mirage]

oh

[rancid girder]

oh

[warped mirage]

skfjks

[languid lotus]

ah

[rancid girder]

meanwhile in CARCASS land we just mortar the wall and call it a day

[junior elbow]

Good work, team

[rancid girder]

because walls can't dodge

[languid lotus]

my mind goes to just having "no shoot unless otherwise specified"

[warped mirage]

my boss gave me a catechism devil cannon and by god im going to use it

[junior elbow]

GUN

Me shoving pieces of the gun devil into all of my Barrelforms

[primal nest]

Maleghast is there a way to give players the ability to copy and paste tokens?

[junior elbow]

In a vtt?

[vivid yew]

There should be in TTS

[warped mirage]

depends on your vtt, unless you're talkin abt mechanics

[vivid yew]

Igorri has mutate, which is effectively a copy of another token the creature has

[junior elbow]

Igorri seems so sick

Beyond my paygrade but I hope to one day get obliterated by them

[warped mirage]

i mean sample genome, the soul ability, literally does just. copy all of one units positive tokens onto another unit

[vivid yew]

Does this Antipriest ability permanently remove a unit's Miracle at the end of their turn or does it just reset it back to 5+ instead of 2+

[warped mirage]

iirc the tom ruling was just loses the 2+ miracle

[pale echo]

Can you find a link for that?

Because it looks to me like the same as Emperor's Overshield bow in Lancer

[rancid girder]

my read would be a permanent loss

[pale echo]

you can supercharge it but if you get the timing wrong you lose it all

[snow estuary]

Can you attack your own units?

[snow wind]

Does anyone know if the infect tag in Gargamox can affect individuals who are adjacent to the target?

[thick sphinx]

If you can find the link to that we can addit to the errata

[warped mirage]

i cannot find it so i may be wrong

my searches in this channel are at least not yielding anything

i definitely remember this discussion coming up before but i cant find it

[umbral cipher]

Can you just attack your own units

I'm pretty sure you can but it's been brought up

[warped mirage]

i don't see a reason why not

[lethal trench]

I think you can

[warped mirage]

you could theoretically argue that you can't because of the wording in the attack action here

but thats dumb

[vivid yew]

masterful gambit

[harsh gorge]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

interesting

[lethal trench]

I think it's relevant for Gargamox

[harsh gorge]

i ruled one time that you couldnt BUT

fair enoug

[umbral cipher]

This was in the context of going 'can a Homunculus absorb an ally'

[lethal trench]

they have some stuff that makes it actually somewhat useful to do

oh yeah Absorb on ally is another
that one I definitely think is allowed

[umbral cipher]

Which I think absolutely should be a thing that can happen

[vivid yew]

In that case I'm pretty sure Homonculus can

[warped mirage]

i mean im fairly certain that homunculi are absolutely supposed to absorb allies

when i read absorb that was the first thing i thought of doing skfjskfj

[opaque socket]

Relevant I think

[vivid yew]

It's technically not even an attack

[warped mirage]

oh right absorb doesnt require an attack roll

oh thats actually huge i hadn't considered that

[opaque socket]

Because you can attack to clear doom

I assume you can also generally attack

like your own units

[vivid yew]

I had the opposite issue where I didn't realize Painghoul's ability could be used to harm an enemy

Just because it synergized with Blood-Rage and removed negative tokens

[snow wind]

Does anyone know if the infect tag in Gargamox can affect individuals who are adjacent to the target or is it only units that are 2 spaces away? I'm not sure where to look for clarity on this

[warped mirage]

in range 2 means within, so it can target adjacent units as well

[tiny fulcrum]

If something says "Range X" it's up to that range

[stray gate]

"in range 2"
so anywhere inside range 2

[warped mirage]

default minimum range for all ranged affects is 1 unless otherwise specified

effects

[snow wind]

oh, I thought it redefined the minimum if it didn't specify a range

good to know!

[lethal trench]

stuff only has min ranges if it specifies

[tiny fulcrum]

This is an example of exact range

[vivid yew]

What's the average length of a match in your guys' cases? I'm wondering how worth it Stance related abilities are so far

[umbral cipher]

Depends on the match up really

[patent steeple]

yeah

[umbral cipher]

Abhorrors are good at stalling it out

[warped mirage]

i think all 3 matches i played ended in round 5

[patent steeple]

round 4 to 5 sounds regular

[tiny fulcrum]

Abhorrers are going to naturally extend match lengths because they're very good at stall tactics

And want to stall to amp power

[patent steeple]

which abhorrers have armor

[tiny fulcrum]

Penitents and the Holy Body have Super Armour

[vivid yew]

Antipriest has Ward

*Magic

[tiny fulcrum]

Exorcist can get Phys or Magic armour Round 4+ if they pick the right trait

[patent steeple]

so 2x penitents, 1x holy body

what to do with the last 1-2 slots...

[vivid yew]

I'd recommend Inquisitor

[patent steeple]

inquistor, antipriest?

[vivid yew]

Maybe two Inquisitors

[patent steeple]

yeah i ran double inquistors

was fun but rolled poorly

[vivid yew]

Nothing the Antipriest really does that none of the other Abhorrers also do

[patent steeple]

it can give miracle to the exorcist

[brazen pine]

left guy Pulls right guy, is he pulled left, or can the left guy choose whether they are pulled left or up

[vivid yew]

True, but only until the end of that unit's turn

[patent steeple]

yeah?

[vivid yew]

Just sounds too risky to fall back on for your Necromancer

[pale echo]

Not quite

[elfin ermine]

its good for getting vitality onto your penitents

[tiny fulcrum]

Imo the Antipriest is pretty great now

It gets significantly better at Loathing+

[pale echo]

You get Miracle permanently if you didn't have it before, it's the "surge" that removes it

[tiny fulcrum]

Boiling Censer gives it legitimately scary scaling

[lyric fog]

Left guy gets to choose.
Just as long as every space moved is closer than before.

[vivid yew]

Ah I see I see how Miracle works

Could Delay Judgement stack?

[rancid girder]

pulls are orthogonal

so it's only left unless it's a multi space pull

[junior elbow]

It can stack in the sense that you give a unit miracle then give it miracle (2+) but that's it

[brazen pine]

up is, technically, closer to the left target, and pulls only stipulate that the target is moved closer to the attacking unit

[rancid girder]

isn't up a wall

[junior elbow]

Does Delay Judgement strip your units of miracle after their turn ends?

[brazen pine]

Right guy is the one getting pulled

[rancid girder]

yeah isn't the terrain above right guy a wall

[pale echo]

the big X

[brazen pine]

oh sorry, thats the icon my friends and i use for hazards

[rancid girder]

ah

either then

[junior elbow]

They're both the same distance?

[pale echo]

Up is technically also closer but left is a move from range 3 to range 2

if I'm trying to read intent I suspect moving to a closer range is what's intended but I don't have much of an RAW argument

[brazen pine]

thats the question my friends and i are basically asking lmao, is it "closer" in terms of movement, or "closer" in terms of range

i dont think theres an explicit answer to be found

[pale echo]

It has to be movement at least in certain cases or perfect diagonals wouldn't allow shoves

But I suspect that's more of a tiebreaker than a premise

[brazen pine]

thats a good point!

[wintry quartz]

old convo, but in the match i had, goregrinder necromancer used their tyrant to kill themselves and get 5 points to win the match on the final round - thus denying points

[thick sphinx]

Tom did clarify that, if they're on a diagonal, you can pull in either direction

[pale echo]

Right, that's what I'm saying

[thick sphinx]

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[brazen pine]

FUCK

we're back to even arguments

[pale echo]

The question is whether that's a "tiebreaker" only when moving to a closer Range isn't possible, or if that also applies when there's a choice between moving closer in a more efficient way vs a less efficient way

actually reviewing the question a perfect diagonal wasn't specified

so actually, go nuts

[brazen pine]

we're back where we started thats what i like to hear

[vivid yew]

What would reduce damage first, Armor or Vitality?

[umbral cipher]

Armor

[rancid girder]

armor then vit

just to check, we still haven't gotten an answer on what happens if you run out of deployment space?

[little adder]

quick question. so Heresy can let you pick up abilities from other necros, right? does that include those default abilities every necro of that type has?

[patent steeple]

just upgrades i think

[tiny fulcrum]

Nope, only upgrades

[little adder]

😔 no Cyclopean Monolith Abhorrers 😔

[brave ledge]

I have just played my first game of magnagothica maleghast and I think I have a new hyperfixation

love it when I get to feed my dog treats (my lycan eats an entire egis weapon corpse and four skeletons in one action)

[rancid girder]

do big corpses count as extra corpses?

or just one

I've been counting them asn a singular corpse