MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[real bane]

I have made: exactly one and it's bad

figuring I'll actually play the game first but I reckon I'll make more eventually

[vague elbow]

im (failing at) making assets based on hades flecks of color design that Ill slap in a folder and upload here if people are intrested

I dont do art often so im futzing with stuff still

[harsh gorge]

art is very fun

[vague elbow]

I agree, I just dont have very much practice in it

[umbral cipher]

You do get better by doin it, which is nice

[harsh gorge]

ye

[umbral cipher]

dunno when I'll dig up the time to do art for my homebrew and how i'll do it

[vague elbow]

This is the proof of concept tile that I have so far, I plan on making one with no color and one with the colors of the other three houses, so that i can get the Hades style flecks of light thing going on but not too much

[charred glacier]

Hmmm, posting these assets for no reason >.>

http://www.tsrarchive.com/4e/4e-du.html

[harsh gorge]

current drawing up my Carcass gal

[real bane]

Quick and dirty Old Maggie upon ye

[silent sluice]

Has anyone noticed any undocumented changes?

[royal socket]

I made a few maps but haven't really tested them. I also just updated my map maker to allow for direct png download so it should be easier to make a map and then quickly drop it into a VTT.

[real bane]

The map maker is really good

[royal socket]

Would love to have a better tileset but not sure if pushing a style on everyone is the way.

[real bane]

like, I just slapped this together in like five minutes

(again, actual combat experience forthcoming)

[languid lotus]

may i suggest adding a method of swapping between tilesets, incl. uploadable options? unsure how viable it is but i figure it can solve that concern by presenting a number of options

[royal socket]

Yeah, its good to whip something out and barrier to entry is basically zero

[royal socket]

Yeah that would be the ideal way! But it's a pain to accept generic img input and have it display nicely in all cases. I could just specific exact the dimensions required and if you don't listen well too bad. I'll think on it and if I wanna do the extra work 😅

[languid lotus]

you can probably get away with specifying exact dimensions

[silent sluice]

<@&1169764878454620231> I've updated the sheet according to the changelog. Please let me know if you notice any missed changes or any other issues.

[glacial junco]

Can I reload if my guy is still loaded

I can't devil bullet without being unloaded can I?

[night hedge]

probably yeah

nuh uh

nothing here says that

[arctic solar]

I think you probably can?

[opaque socket]

Yeah I think you can

[gloomy shell]

I was just working on hacking in image export myself RIP

i think i just got it working too ahhaha

[real bane]

I understand... Maybe roll20 is bad, actually

[royal socket]

Whoops

[gloomy shell]

ehhehe

well i wanna look at your implementation

[languid lotus]

the 20 is for how many gigabytes of ram it ate on my pc a few days ago

[royal socket]

Sure, it's...something. Feel free to asks questions and/or contribute via github

[glacial junco]

Landed an STG against an enemy carrying the winning objective payload

Feels so fuckin good

[gloomy shell]

A link to the repo on the page itself might be useful

[royal socket]

Ah I get what you mean, I'll add that.

[gloomy shell]

sorry my b

i could've been more specific

[candid monolith]

I'm my experience the trick with roll20 is that you need some invisible png space so that it places the center of the image's dimensions in a grid.

Then you can trick it

[real bane]

that's fair, yeah

[candid monolith]

I had to fight it to get size 2 lancer bases to work, turns out I made a size 3 base that's mostly hidden lol

[rich scarab]

You've just got to squish him so he only takes up 1 space

Suggesting this entirely because the image of an extremely squished priest is very funny to me

[umbral cipher]

shrunkled...

[real bane]

Well sure but then roll20 snaps him to the left side of the tile

Worked it out with tony's trick of just adding some blank space so the sprites are square

[harsh gorge]

im cooking something for carcassss

[languid lotus]

did you make that meme about my memory leak specifically or is roll20 shit on linux in general

[halcyon wharf]

I made it just now

[languid lotus]

noted. lmao either way

[versed ravine]

instantly saved that image

knowing that you made it increases my respect significantly

[languid lotus]

and in fairness i still had a couple gigabytes left over

[royal socket]

Nice. Yeah there are a handful of tokens that came in the assests that aren't neat 1x1 square already 😦

[real bane]

we're guse all your ram

[candid monolith]

Do I make my dude's other arm just a big shoulder motor and a chainsaw or no hmm hmm 🤔

[glacial junco]

3 player free for all
Splattin: This was 3v1.
Me: Wha
Splattin: I was fighting myself too.

[silent sluice]

lol

was this with the updated stuff?

[glacial junco]

Yeah played a BONE FEEDER 3forall and it was Carcass vs Ahorrents vs GoreGrinders.
It was up in the air and i got a lucky STG after attempting to delay the victory. "
gore went too hard first time with the warheads, But got their Berserker to the center to become a HUGE problem. I got to lockdown a elevated position and pick some dudes off with a Barrel form and my Operator got some good rolls in

Abhorrents played the long game and got the spoils after it was all left down to his necromancer who picked up a pile of 5 bones and left

No way for either me or splat to stop him from walking away

Pretty fun for all of us all around

[glacial junco]

Ye

Goregrinders almost had it too

Like

This close to winning

[short estuary]

It was very close

I think if I were going to do that again I would have run a carnifex instead of warheads

[glacial junco]

(I didn't get any points i was trying too hard to stop others from getting the points much to my own dismay)

I should have taken another goblin tbh

Or actally bring a tyrant instead of goons

[short estuary]

I had a setup to win like round 1 or 2 but the overwhelming firepower of CARCASS and Abhorrers cleaned me up every quickly

I think by the end we were down to only necromancer or like 1 unit each

[glacial junco]

I think 2 thrall slots are unessiscary and they have (2) SPEED

So not great for this run

[real bane]

Tyrants are lame, run another of the guy you'd just love to have another of, yeah you know the one

this post was made by Mox Mob

[glacial junco]

I like the tyrant though

Oh

[short estuary]

true

[glacial junco]

Yeah i bet you would say that

[short estuary]

My real mistake was not playing mox

[glacial junco]

Splats downfall was once again Vit Tokens

lol

[short estuary]

I hate vitality

If I played a team with any strength gen it would be less CBT

[glacial junco]

[umbral cipher]

Hmmm. I feel like I need a Big Thing for my homebrew tyrant to do but not sure what

[short estuary]

If I were a mox I would have simply covered the entire objective zone in hazard

[mystic lark]

Rules Q:

Do multiple hazards under a tyrant do more than 1 damage?

Can you stack multiple hazards in one space (like from Holy body)

[real bane]

no and no

[mystic lark]

Ty!

[umbral cipher]

HARROWPLOUGH
Rickertock Tyrant
MV 3 HP 6 DEF 2+ ARM -
Traits:
Unceasing Labor: The first time this unit is slain, it creates a Soulticker Thrall in a free space adjacent to it and is revived with 2 HP. This Soulticker is Obliterated when it would die.
Tyrant: 2x2 Unit

ACT Abilities:
>Till The Field (Self, Splash)
Effect: Unit Steps 2, destroying all walls it moves into, then Splash (self): foes take 1 Curse damage and 1 Vulnerable.
>Workhearse (Melee, Attack)
Effect: Two adjacent units take 1 Slow.
On Hit: Target takes 2 damage.
>??? (Big Harvest Ability)

[glacial junco]

I guess the only question I need a solid answer to is

Can you reload a character that doesnt need to reload?

That would let me know if I should keep aiming for Devil Bullet STG plays or if I should swap it up

[umbral cipher]

I mean I don't see why you can't

[short estuary]

I might be too used to lancer but it seems extremely stupid to let you reload if you are not unloaded

[umbral cipher]

Devil Bullet does more than Reload anyway

[glacial junco]

But hypothetically you can reload a clip thats fully loaded 🤓

[night hedge]

TRIGGER FINGERS [Challenging Success]: STRAIGHT
OFFICER'S SPIRIT [Medium Success]: TO THE
BONE TACTICS [Medium Success]: GRAVE
(disco elysium reference)

[rugged cloud]

I am uh... cooking a unique new scenario

[night hedge]

oooooooooooooooooooooo

[languid lotus]

[night hedge]

careful to not burn yourself from the heat

[charred glacier]

On Todays Episode of: Rules Text That Invokes Terror and Awe

[languid lotus]

what is the context here

what the fuck is the context here

[night hedge]

can;t wait for an actual angel to fight carcenkarrion itself

or a shard of gormenghorr

or the corpse piler

or the filth devil

[rugged cloud]

I am cooking a new scenario

[night hedge]

the multicoloured devil also but they seem less front line idk

[rugged cloud]

Higher Beings was Chosen For Abhorror Reasons

[languid lotus]

i mean yeah, can you elaborate on the nature of the scenario i am very interested

[rugged cloud]

Archenemy magic the gathering

I love ASYMETRICAL gameplay

[languid lotus]

i have never gatheringed the magic in my life i need context

[umbral cipher]

hrmmm. maybe some sort of huge spooky self-buff?

[rugged cloud]

1 vs many

the name of the scenario is Devil Slaying

[umbral cipher]

but that doesn't really line up with what the faction does, bah

[languid lotus]

i see

[harsh gorge]

cookinggg

carcass takes SO LONG

also ill draw any necromancer token for like
5 bucks

[night hedge]

i'd say reduce it's health a little cause the revive trait makes it pretty strong. also how does said trait interact with obliterate?

till the field and workhearse are fine but i feel they lack that good flavour the tyrants have

[night hedge]

maybe apply its revive thing onto other units?

necromancer excluded ofc

[umbral cipher]

ohhhh hmm maybe

[rugged cloud]

I will ping you when its ready

[languid lotus]

🫡

[elfin ermine]

some way to trade its own health for an effect?

its got the revive already, so you could have a self-damage cost move with big payoff

[night hedge]

what's the mental image you've got for the big guy? could help for direction

[elfin ermine]

whats the main gameplan of the other units

like hows this tyrant fit into the comp

[umbral cipher]

See, the 'big move' would already be heavily costed by Harvest, which sacrifices allies to fuel abilities

Harrowplough's meant to evoke like, a massive rusted metal ox or something
A rusty scrapyard rendition of a work animal

[night hedge]

maybe have it be able to gore something with its horns?

at sacrifice of health as it madly rushes forwards

[elfin ermine]

Imo Till the Fields is already pretty big as a foe-only, teleport, map rearranging debuff

that still deals damage

[umbral cipher]

Tis not a teleport but yeah it's the somewhat-obligatory tyrant wallbuster option

The overall faction's focus is on heavy debuffs in Vulnerable and Slow and being very persistent; all the non-thrall units turn into thralls when they die

[night hedge]

egis has juggernaut which isn't too different

the difference is the damage there mainly

[elfin ermine]

maybe I overvalue vulnerable

[night hedge]

no vulnerable is good

[umbral cipher]

Nah, it's a nasty status

[night hedge]

really strong

[umbral cipher]

Might scrap the damage from Till, thinkin on it, and figure out something more interesting for Workhearse

I'll grab the doc so you can just see the rest of the units instead of me posting them all here haha

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kIP4X29w1Lu7eCSQck5vYeLKplaQ_Gv3ruhxqdB_4d4/edit?usp=drivesdk

part of the issue is that I don't even really like tyrants they're not the kind of unit fantasy I jump for 😔

But the faction needs one since I decided that Hunter would be the cut class

[brazen pine]

playing CARCASS into any house that creates hazards is big pain

[umbral cipher]

Their low mobility means it gets real easy to trap them in nasty setups yeah

[elfin ermine]

honestly I could see the tyrant having a big ranged option

you dont have a hunter, but you can still make costly / other options in the tyrant or scion slot

[junior elbow]

I got my shit rocked by playing against a Gargamox mass on a map with a bridge in the middle

[umbral cipher]

Hmmm, maybe yeah

[elfin ermine]

or something to take advantage of vulnerable, or debuffs in general

[umbral cipher]

...hmmm. something that capitalizes on all the Slow rickertock tosses out could be rad

A big aoe that threatens enemies out of it or perish, or somethin

[elfin ermine]

they're scarecrows? pun on a murder of crows?

10,000 bird attack?

[umbral cipher]

Honestly giving the Plough an evil bird swarm is exactly the extra bit of juice it needed

Yeah, I like that, thankee

[patent steeple]

did ppl want help with data entry for the updated ver of maleghast?

[harsh gorge]

I FINISHED HERRR

POSTING HER TO TWITTER

[candid monolith]

hell yeah carcass time

[tired bolt]

hit max damage on my unholy sixgun gang

what a glorious ability

[night hedge]

FUCK YEAH

i love unholy sixgun

[harsh gorge]

https://fxtwitter.com/pixelcoffea/status/1720917422037954661?s=20

[rugged cloud]

WOOOO

[candid monolith]

fuckin based karen

[junior elbow]

The one good Karen

[prime portal]

What about OP

[umbral cipher]

yeaaaah!!!

[junior elbow]

What about OP /j

[harsh gorge]

she was tough to draw

but im so proudddddd

[candid monolith]

joke's on you she's the one in that armor 8^y

[junior elbow]

Also I've a question, for soul abilities on you or allied turns, does it affect the current unit or your necromancer? (Ex. does Reload Slide move my necromancer if I use it during my Enforcer's turn)

[rugged cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPFEI_6yhUY
Average Penitent

[candid monolith]

I think so? I don't know for sure but that's how I read it

[pale echo]

Unless it says otherwise the "target" is your necromancer

well not target

the "center" more like

[junior elbow]

That's what I'd assume

[jovial tulip]

hey folks, anyone wanna necromance together?

(specifically on TTS)

[harsh gorge]

chrisssst maleghast art is hardddddd

but man im proud of her

[night hedge]

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!
1000 WASP DEATH BARRAGE

MV:2 HP:6 DF:2+ ARM: PHYS

TRAITS:
Sovereign and Servant: Is always a valid target for distribute regardless of distance, and counts all units of the same Dark mass as valid targets for distribute.
Efficient Dispersal: This unit triggers distribute at the end of its turn.
Tyrant: 2x2 unit.

ACT:
Emissaries: Gain 2 hatch then distribute.
1000 Wings: Attack, Range 1-2: deal 1 toxic damage. Effect: If the target has at least 1 hatch deal 1 toxic damage, ignoring armour, if this kills the target splash (target) 1 toxic damage.
Repurpose: Range 2: Choose an allied unit in range. Obliterate it, and gain 3 hatch tokens then distribute.
UPGRADES:```

[junior elbow]

Overclock for the Warlord has "range 3, self or unit in range" so I guess that's the templating?

[real bane]

River of Souls

Swathes of necrotic energy stream out of the city, ready to loop around and suffuse it anew.
Battling over this week's right to the River of Souls, you must take control of the bridge! Whichever side has the most units in the objective zone at the end of the even-numbered rounds scores 1 point. Whoever has the most points at the end of round 6 wins. Standing in the river (adverse terrain) grants a necromancer an additional 1 SOUL at the start of their turn.

[night hedge]

also balance suggestions v welcome

[arctic solar]

I am not available (laptop brokey) but there is a pingable role

[junior elbow]

"PHYS" is the template for Armor now

[night hedge]

ah right

[elfin ermine]

[prime portal]

Malegroup Magnarole

[night hedge]

Special Delivery (6 Soul): Own or allied turn, range 4: 1 hatch then splash: 1 hatch, then immediately roll for all hatch tokens
the 6 soul ability is throwing a wasps nest at someone

[junior elbow]

How do you gain roles

[jovial tulip]

o, I was not aware, thank you!

[real bane]

instructions are in #bot-stuff pins

[junior elbow]

Ahh thanks

[night hedge]

Hatch is this for reference
Hatch - If a unit is affected by a hatch token, at the end of that units turn the player controlling it rolls a d6, +1D per hatch token. On a 5+, the unit gains either 1 weak, vulnerability or slow, then distributes a hatch token to an allied unit in range and clears all remaining hatch tokens. Velgarri units on a 5+ gain either 1 strength or vitality per hatch token, then distribute a hatch token to any unit in range.

[jovial tulip]

<@&1169764878454620231> anyone wanna play? (on TTS)

[rancid girder]

sure

[dark shoal]

Can't, playing pool

[umbral cipher]

Dread Murder (Range 2-3, Attack, Splash)
Effect: Splash (Target): Deal 1 damage. Units in this area at the start of self's next turn take 2 damage.
On Hit: Inflict Slow and target is included in this Ability's Splash.

[dark shoal]

A much more cursed game

[night hedge]

yeah this is good

real nice area of effect thing

[versed ravine]

Gimme a hot second

[umbral cipher]

I'll make the Harvest move a big devastating melee

[elfin ermine]

it gets a little funky with the popcorn iniative

[shy forum]

Unsure if anyone else has made one, so I made a sheet that is intended to help a little with keeping track of tokens. I find keeping track of tokens (e.g. strength) a bit bothersome on TTS. I imagine the same would apply to real life so I made a simple for print version too that is in this

Just rename your models in TTS to match the names on the sheet and the digital sheet will keep track of the ticks for you.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mPcptKBuA_ZQ81f2gfMKfnVtP-HJ-jsoZolkzlVHcYI/edit#gid=27052171

Let me know about any improvements you want or if there's issues that somehow pop up

[umbral cipher]

A little, but so does any other setup move in the game

Leech for example

[primal nest]

Leech funni

[ocean bloom]

Leech funni

[primal nest]

Sorry I meant evolve strain

[cerulean crag]

prolly a silly question but, is Initiative just a one time roll at the top of the game, or a roll at the top of each turn?

[patent steeple]

the former

[rancid girder]

how do you determine directionality for push or pull effects?

[lethal trench]

As directly away from the source as possible

[real bane]

Still don't see how this deals with Vitality beyond clearing one

[umbral cipher]

I forget if push-pull works on diagonals

[night hedge]

Bloodied Mailbox: Attack, Melee: 1 physical damage Effect: May spend one hatch token to increase damage to 2 and change its type to toxic. (4+) push target 2.
necromancer ACT upgrade

[lethal trench]

If two spaces are equidistant, you choose

[pale echo]

No

[night hedge]

just smash their face in with a plank of wood and some steel

[pale echo]

No diagonal movement, including forced movement

[umbral cipher]

Right-o

Hmm now here's a question
If I hit something with Deathburst or w/e an ability that deals damage and pushes, and also kills it
Would it still blow up on the attacker's face?

Or would the knockback happen before death effects

[pale echo]

Uhhh
Instinct is that things happen in the order they're written

[umbral cipher]

Which in this case would be damage first, presumably death, then push

But hmm

[versed ravine]

does Abhorrer necro Holy Vessel trigger Miracle even for units that don't have Miracle themselves

[rancid girder]

for the CGIS, can I pick which square to draw a line from?

[umbral cipher]

yes to the egis question dunno about abhorrer

[night hedge]

only if they gained it via the antipriest thing

[versed ravine]

ok so it doesn't provide Miracle

[night hedge]

no

[versed ravine]

gotcha

[rancid girder]

do friendly units that provide cover block friendly LoS?

[tiny fulcrum]

Nope

[pale echo]

Nope

like how elevated spaces can provide cover but not block LoS

[upbeat girder]

Trying to put together a Maleghast game for my in-person gaming group. Anything we should be looking out for in terms of the rules? Or in-person vs virtual play?

[umbral cipher]

Oxgore (Melee, Attack, Harvest)
Effect: If a unit is destroyed by this attack they are Obliterated.
On Hit: Deal 1 damage, then again, (+4) then again, (+5) then again.

hmmm

[umbral cipher]

Did you grab the new updated PDF off Itch?

[brazen pine]

how transparent are you in your games with your opponent? like "i use X which makes my necromancer curse immune" or do you just say "i use X" and make them figure it out

[umbral cipher]

Otherwise a common thing is people get tripped up on Soul; you get it every time a unit dies for the first time

[upbeat girder]

I have not

[rancid girder]

for EGIS juggernaut, if I can't move can I still pop it

[stray gate]

grab index cards to write down your unit stats and keep track of statuses

[pale echo]

I think you gotta tell them everything

You can just look up each other's stuff

No real point in hiding it

[umbral cipher]

So if my unit dies, I get 1 soul, if another unit dies I get 1 soul, if the first guy gets revived somehow I do not get soul when they die again

[patent steeple]

considering tom's...thoughts, on open info i think ur supposed to tell them everything

[upbeat girder]

First time and only the first time?

[rancid girder]

also do I have to roll for lines

if it doesn't say attack

[pale echo]

If a unit is revived through Miracle, they don't keep giving Soul

But every unit that dies gives Soul the first time they die

[umbral cipher]

No

[lethal trench]

if it doesn't say attack, it just happens

[umbral cipher]

They just happen

[torn portal]

a friend of mine found a typo at Pg 45 and instead of sending it by text he sent me this xD

[still vapor]

Looking at Carcass. Does +1 range add on to both the maximum and minimum range of abilities, or just the maximum?

[torn portal]

also Pg 46

[umbral cipher]

No, that's intended

[tiny fulcrum]

Maximum only

[umbral cipher]

Range 2-2 would mean that attack can Only hit if the target is 2 spaces away

[lethal trench]

not a typo, it needs to be used at exactly range 2

[pale echo]

Yeah that's in the changelog specifically

It's intended

[night hedge]

effect is good, on hit feels like its infringing on gore grinder's thing a bit

[torn portal]

oh I see!

thanks

[umbral cipher]

Hmmm. Should it just be a big fucking 3 damage or something then

[primal nest]

It gives enough strength to clear through it

[night hedge]

2 with a chance to do 1 more perhaps

[umbral cipher]

Actually...

Hmm yeah Beserker gets Rip And Tear

I'll do the 2 with a chance for another

Part of the thing is that goregrinder is the strength stack faction and these guys are vulnerable stackers

Meaning they both like multihit, funnily

(I'll still make that change it's just funny to me)

[night hedge]

tbf carcass are vuln stackers and don't have multihit

probably for that reason tbh

[umbral cipher]

Eh I s'pose

It's in practice not a ton different than putting 4 speed on the Painwheel and then they go Exfoliate

[night hedge]

painwheel my beloved

nearing completion for first draft of house velgarii

[torn portal]

if an ability gives you berserk, does that berserk triggers in that very moment as you have actived an ability?

[umbral cipher]

Don't think so

[tiny fulcrum]

You are not a berserk unit until after the ACT resolves

[torn portal]

okey thanks

[granite turret]

wasted too much time on this cross-section of autisms to not post it

[brazen pine]

Would explosive bolt apply on miss?

(Abhorror's Inquisitor)

[pale echo]

No effects happen on miss

Only 1 damage from graze

[umbral cipher]

No, effects do happen on miss

Just not on-hit stuff

[brazen pine]

the struggle is this doesn't note "hit" or "effect"

[languid lotus]

this is probably not an original thought, but: the units as disco elysium skills

[umbral cipher]

Ohhhh I was talking about the like, Effect: X stuff

Effect die does not happen no

[jovial tulip]

it turns out I have horrible luck lmao

[royal socket]

I added a rudimentary custom tileset upload feature. Need to format an 800x100 spritesheet for use. Once uploaded it'll persist across sessions locally.

[night hedge]

Demoknight tf2

https://tenor.com/view/way-tf2-demoman-gif-16565823

[umbral cipher]

Yes, this and the upgrade wouldn't happen on miss

[languid lotus]

PAINWHEEL: Ram into the fucker. Get a running start and just, just CRUSH them.
PENITENT: You have made a shameful mockery of yourself. Find a board and whack yourself upside the head with it. Repeatedly.
CHOP DOC: That's a perfect left hand. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to saw off their left arm and attach it to your body. It will be your perfect left hand.
AMMO GOBLIN: MORE DAKKA!

[glacial junco]

Heh

[granite turret]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2jumpscare-tf2-jumpscare-meme-team-fortress2-gif-21743989

[rancid girder]

aight finished my first game of Carcass v Goregrinders:

Carcass:

1. EGIS mortar is fucking cracked on smaller boards where units are forced to clump up. Ammo goblin to keep feeding it strength tokens and watch it run
2. Line gun that doesn't actually make attack rolls also really good.
3. Gunwights are fantastic as ways to finish units off or generally stall
4. Formation is incredible
5. Armor...good

Overall:

1. Boards are real small. I had goredrinkers making melee contact turn 1, which I did not see coming. Also, unit clog is very real.
2. Goregrinders have issues with friendly fire
3. You need to lose a lot of units to get 6 soul

[night hedge]

i assume carcass 1 based on the description?

[umbral cipher]

Worth noting that goregrinders are Built to zoom

[rancid girder]

wdym

oh yeah I won

set up my gunline and blam blam blam blam

[night hedge]

my brain malfunctioned, i meant to type won

[umbral cipher]

Half their units have a 'move forward again now with damage' thing to do

[versed ravine]

i might be regretting building an Abhorrers list as my first

this is what we call nesting

[night hedge]

i kinda figured gore grinders had the advantage in the vs carcass match up cause they can get in close underneath gun range

but if you're not running barrelforms that's less of an issue i suppose

[rancid girder]

4 gunwights one goblin one EGIS

[pale echo]

Odd turns: Adjacent allies gain 1 vit
Even turns: Adjacent foes take 1 holy damage

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah Goregrinders are the fastest faction in the game by a country mile

[rancid girder]

doesn't help that my opponent rolled absolutely terribly

[night hedge]

ah that'd do it

[versed ravine]

i got it eventually but my brain is going to fry skimming this for a combat turn lmfao

[tiny fulcrum]

Them hitting melee turn 1 is expected

[rancid girder]

but having the gunwights on the wings to push and shoot and the EGIS in the center to punish grouping worked really well

my opponent stacked their units up against my line and I was able to get a really good mortar shot plus warheads don't actually hit that hard

[pale echo]

Only four points?

[rancid girder]

only 4

so leaving them alive keeps the enemy heavy hitters off of my line

but also carcass just has really high and more importantly really consistent damage output

my gunwights are two damage a turn every turn

[brazen pine]

is this "roll an attack, then roll a different effect die"

[tiny fulcrum]

yes

Same thing with a lot of the Goregrinder attacks

[rancid girder]

roll two dice, one attack and one effect

armor's great though

love armor

[primal flame]

Question for Miracle, can it trigger multiple times on the same unit?

Like say a unit with Miracle dies and it revives. Can it then die again and potentially revive another time?

[patent steeple]

yes

[primal flame]

Sick, thanks

[rancid girder]

"ignores armor" also means super armor, right?

[patent steeple]

yes

[night hedge]

main thing with warheads is that they'll always get one or two attacks off, main issue is they bounce off of armour

they die slower than gunwights too given blood rage

add bladed and they put out a lot of chip damage

need painwheels, berserkers or painghoul buffs to deal with armour generally tho

carnifex also can do so now

[rancid girder]

also just to check relatiation doesn't have a range

so if the carnifex gets shot he glares back or whatever for one damage

[umbral cipher]

Yes

It's very funny

[ocean bloom]

I should honestly just climb my Hosts onto the top of the nearest tall pole and have them be an annoying target while they rat everywhere

[brazen pine]

does juggernaut destroy walls normally or is it specifically on 5+ it destroys walls (for the egis weapon)

[tiny fulcrum]

Normally

[night hedge]

WENEEDANEWDRIVERTHISONEISDEAD
House: GOREGRINDERS
Malice: Spite
Slots: 5

AXEL AND GRIND: 2x Warhead

SPOKE AND SPIKE: 2x Warhead

OVER AND OVER: Pain Ghoul

SPIN THE WHEEL: Painwheel

LAUGH AT GOD: Painwheel

Warlord: BLEEDQUEEN
- Blood Drinker
- Furious Roar
- Overclock```
i love gore grinders

[jovial tulip]

Hmmm
I'm gonna have to figure out what faction I like more
I do rather like Carcass but it felt wrong to do carcass into carcass for my first game lol

Goregrinders seem fun though

[candid monolith]

Fellow goreboss

[warped mirage]

just fought goregrinders as deadsouls. very stressful

[patent steeple]

deadsouls is very pressure inducing

[warped mirage]

only reason i won was bc i got a CLUTCH horrendous shriek off right at the bottom of round 4 that like. doomed my opponent's entire team

cyclopean monolith is a good ability

[crisp night]

yeah monolith is insane

i spent every soul point i had in my deadsouls match

on monolith

[warped mirage]

i got one eternal curse off but otherwise it was all monolith

im glad i was running four thralls i needed that money

[crisp night]

i wish sacrifices were more impactful

i mean they obviously serve their purpose but in terms of thralls they're the least pivotal

[warped mirage]

i disagree actually they're just really aptly named

[crisp night]

yeah maybe the problem is my perspective

[latent sun]

Query as a newcomer to the system. Does no minimum range (such as on the Ammo Goblin's Regurgitate Ammo) imply it can only be used at that precise range (so Regurgitate can only be used on targets 3 spaces away) or does that mean it can be used at closer ranges?

[crisp night]

they have a different use than other thralls

[warped mirage]

the walls and hazards created by my sacrifice's deaths were literally pivotal to my victory

sorry not hazards adverse

[weak igloo]

Min range is 1 unless specified

[warped mirage]

terrain

[crisp night]

if there's no specified range it can be used anywhere up to that range

[cerulean crag]

Just won another game. And I just wanna say.

Double tap my fucking beloved

[crisp night]

for example; there's one attack that says 2-2 in the book somewhere

it can only be used at range 2

[latent sun]

Got it. That makes those effects uh
"Better" to say the least.

[crisp night]

as opposed to range 2 which is range 1 and 2

[weak igloo]

Also! If anybody else was having this bit of uncertainty

[crisp night]

Teehee

hazard win

gargamaxxing

[vague elbow]

question: is the slime act surge movement on top of its normal movement? how does that work?

[warped mirage]

yeah

its fast as fuck is how it works

[crisp night]

yes

[vague elbow]

bc it doesnt say "as far as possible" line in gore

[warped mirage]

that's kinda how horrors are they like to move it move it

[crisp night]

does for warhead

and painwheel

[vague elbow]

sorry I meant the slime does not say "as far as possible"

so is it 4?

[crisp night]

OH

i guess so?

maybe you can choose

i would just assume you'd go as far as possible

[versed ravine]

built my first list

Abhorrers, CVS - Relic Lance - SA:WS Necro, a Holy Body, two Antipriests, two Zealots

the plan is to have an impervious wall until round 4 or so, at which point my Necro jumps out and the killing fields open

[dark shoal]

Haven't played a single game yet but am absolutely digging this

And also wanna make a custom faction too????

[brazen pine]

came down to the LAST turn of round 6, CARCASS necromancer has 2 hp, Abhorror necromancer has 3. CARCASS necromancer has the last activation (enforcer and barrelform have acted, egis will die due to hazard). Rolls +2d6 to hit, gets two 2s. Graze deals 1 damage, +1 from Strength. Reduces Abhorror to 1, spend 1 soul for double tap. Absolutely hyped out, couldnt have been closer

[cobalt junco]

Has anybody played 2v2 yet? What was your experience with it?

[crisp night]

double tap kind of seems insane

[cobalt junco]

Like if your necromancer dies does all of your units die? since the game doesn't immediately end

[patent steeple]

it is

[brazen pine]

Theres a rule you can use in 2v2s where you keep playing as long as either side has at least 1 necromancer

[weak igloo]

possession is good for 2v2

since it becomes pretty easy to like run exorcist+operator and just gun someone down

[cerulean crag]

Literally killed 4 units including the enemy necro with it last game. It’s cracked beyond belief

[crisp night]

especially considering the nature of akimbo with formation

obviously it costs soul but still

that's a lot of opportunities to wipe enemies in sequence

[naive glacier]

I can up the soul coat if it’s too good eventually

Gimme a couple mo. on any balance changes

[cerulean crag]

Oh I ain’t encouraging it. I’m the only carcass player I know so I adore it

[brazen pine]

I think it'd be reasonable to make it cost 2 Souls, or be given some limitation like requiring the Operator to be within range X

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah I think the unlimited range is sort of the kicker there

[tiny fulcrum]

Could you elaborate on "Goregrinders have friendly fire issues"?

[cerulean crag]

If it went up to 2 I feel like I’d maybe want a lil more bang for the buck?

Maybe obliterate as well at 2 but that might be too much

[rancid girder]

berserk hits friendlies, dunnit?

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah

[brazen pine]

I think it being functionally +1 damage is deceptively powerful

[tiny fulcrum]

Did they do that repeatedly?

[rancid girder]

yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

Feels like a positioning issue

Unfortunate

It's definitely a consideration you need to take into account, grinders can't clump like other teams because of it

[latent sun]

Another query: Does the Chosen's Ivory Serpent upgrade make its effects target all units in adverse terrain?

[naive glacier]

From experience grinders can put out a shit ton of aoe

[tiny fulcrum]

Or you just smack your own dudes around

[naive glacier]

No it just gives them a new trigger for its effect

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah they really can

[latent sun]

Ohh we get it now, thanks.

[naive glacier]

You can also berserk enemy units btw pro tip 😉

[tiny fulcrum]

[naive glacier]

W/ pain ghoul

[tiny fulcrum]

Fuck I never thought about that

[naive glacier]

It’s very good on slow units

[rancid girder]

yeah it'd be a good way to disrupt eg CARCASS gunline

[tiny fulcrum]

That's really good against CARCASS yeah

[cerulean crag]

Oh SHOOT that’s wild

[umbral cipher]

zerk a Gunwight and they have an issue yeah

[rancid girder]

my opponent didn't have a pain ghoul whcih imo was a problem

[tiny fulcrum]

I think the additional damage something like a Carnifex brings is really tempting, but Pain Ghoul utility is huge

[rancid girder]

the match was 4x gunwight, goblin, EGIS vs 2x warhead, 2x painwheel, 1x berserker

[tiny fulcrum]

It's also your only non-Necro token purge

[rancid girder]

also question: if a warhead is only in melee range of one character, does cleave make it hit itself?

[brazen pine]

I will say RE Double Tap, it felt like that was the main reason the Carcass was able to win against Abhorrors, the hazard terrain generation and reviving was crazy strong into carcass

[rancid girder]

as written there is the possibility that if there are no other adjacent targets it smacks itself

[brazen pine]

though also, we ruled that "double tap" could be triggered after Miracle, and I'm curious if others would rule the same

[cerulean crag]

That game I was just talkin about where I had to rely on it was against abhorrers and we ruled it couldn’t

Since Miracle is triggering the one HP, not the player

[tiny fulcrum]

Uh, I don't think so? It could hit allies though

[quasi bridge]

Just finished a 2v2 match (Abhorrers+Carcass vs Igorri+Gargamox) and had a blast! ended up being extremely close, exorcist and operator were both left with 1 hp and no allies. Mox was running an oops all scum strat was really effective, and I think they would've easily wiped my abhorrers if they hadn't rolled exclusively 1s (I don't think they actually hit with an attack a single time); my vitality generation could barely keep up with plague and hazards as it was

[silent sluice]

Is the intent with Double Tap that damage dealt by any of your units can trigger it? Because then it would be written differently to all other abilities. "You" refers to just your Necromancer.

[quasi bridge]

Antipriest's Gentleness felt crazy good, all the vit it generated was used so it was consistently generating like 5 or 6 EHP every single turn

Yeah we played it as double tap can only trigger on necro damage

which makes it feel a lot more reasonable at 1 soul

[naive glacier]

I might tone down aoe vit effects

[silent sluice]

just that Briar was talking about infinite range which doesn't make sense if you have to have damaged them with your Necro to begin with

[candid monolith]

tone em up

[naive glacier]

Nah double tap only works w your necro

[tiny fulcrum]

There you go

[naive glacier]

Anyway in the meantime enjoy smashing mans together

[tiny fulcrum]

Def

[candid monolith]

100%

[crisp night]

bashing action figures together is the purest joy one can experience

warsims are just the highest level of that

and battlebots

[tiny fulcrum]

Tom thank you for Painwheels btw

[candid monolith]

Very complex dudesmashing

[rancid girder]

it says "another adjacent unit" so if the only other adjacent unit is the warhead I think it smacks itself

[tiny fulcrum]

They're just as psychologically devastating as they are in Icon

Except now I control them

[crisp night]

publishing a scientific paper on dudesmashing

[tiny fulcrum]

[tiny fulcrum]

I think that'd be weird idk

[silent sluice]

I don't think you're adjacent to yourself

[candid monolith]

Not with that attitude you're not

[rancid girder]

like it's weird but as written I can definitely see an interpretation in that way

[rancid girder]

I guess the question is adjacent to the swinger or the target

[primal crypt]

Hey guys would I be right in assuming Tom was planning on doing a 1.1 pass on the game with all the fixes and stuff and the game is still getting play tools for tts etc?

[rancid girder]

I'm reading it as adjacent to the target

there's like 4 different TTS versions, I don't think any are updated to update 1 as of right now

[primal crypt]

I'm looking to get into this game, like, after the first few patches so it stabilizes post release

[glacial junco]

Ay we got room for 1 more if anyone wants to play a 2v2

[silent sluice]

1.1 already came out :P

[rancid girder]

ooh I'm in

[patent steeple]

tom just released a day one patch as it is

[primal crypt]

Oh that's lovely

[versed ravine]

we got the 1.1 and the next balance patch is not for a while according to tom

[crisp night]

i thiiiink tom said that he's holding off on updates for now after the one today

[primal crypt]

Okay good to know guys

[crisp night]

so now's the best time

[patent steeple]

based on his comments i think hes gonna let it simmer

for a lil

[primal crypt]

Been on a bunch of flights

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah 1.1 is out, any further updates are months off as people figure things out

[primal crypt]

Thanks for the heads up

[crisp night]

hopefully the jetlag isn't too bad

[primal crypt]

I may read the game then

You guys having fun?

[crisp night]

yes!

[rancid girder]

@glacial junco VC and where are ya playin?

[primal crypt]

Is the game AA?

[rancid girder]

yes

[glacial junco]

i'll get back to u in a sec are you ok playing if we stream it to p net?

[primal crypt]

Alright I'm in

[rancid girder]

ye

[primal crypt]

That's all I need

[candid monolith]

AA?

[rancid girder]

alternating activations

[candid monolith]

Ah

[rancid girder]

I activate one unit you activate one unit

or two units in the case of thralls

[patent steeple]

yeah game is fun

[primal crypt]

If you've ever played IGYG

[patent steeple]

ive played 2 matches thus far

[primal crypt]

You will know my pain

[crisp night]

i cannot imagine a game like this not being AA

do those exist?

[rancid girder]

40k, warmahordes

there's a decent number

[crisp night]

40k is like that????

wow

[rancid girder]

40k has always been igyg

[crisp night]

i've only ever consumed 40k through other games and the assorted fluff material but not the game itself

wow

had no idea

[primal crypt]

40k players are mad yes

[candid monolith]

I could never

[primal crypt]

I do not have their stamina

Every turn is like one hour

Each player has to measure and move every model

There's no reactions

[crisp night]

i think the main reason i never got into warhammer was because necron models were especially expensive

at least they were when i checked

[primal crypt]

You just pull out your phone and wait

[crisp night]

love me necrons

[candid monolith]

based

[crisp night]

necrons and the mechanicus

[rancid girder]

there are they're just limited and maybe not good

[primal crypt]

Oh that's new

I played way back in like

5th edition or something

In high school

[rancid girder]

but it's stuff like Overwatch which has been in for like, editions

[glacial junco]

Ay we will be steaming Magnasplaining Malewifing in the IPSN chat if anyone is interested, No stress if you dont wanna talk!

[candid monolith]

I will observe

[primal crypt]

Wish I hadn't had to run to the airport just as you guys started streaming and setting up a scene

I'm super happy you guys are having fun

[crisp night]

hopefully you can get in on the action yourself soon

this game is great

[primal crypt]

If you wanna make it a regular weekly thing like our fight club and stuff, give me a poke

[crisp night]

i've only played one match but i cant stop thinking about it

[primal crypt]

As long as you have the numbers I'm happy to promote community play

[umbral cipher]

I've already started homebrewing for it haha

It's a very tight and very fun game

[crisp night]

i'd be happy to help run stuff whenever my college and work schedule allows, i have a foundry license + forge sub so i can host

plus that way people can teach me what i'm doing wrong in foundry lol

[tiny fulcrum]

something really nice is the game supports mulitplayer

[patent steeple]

yeah it supports 3 players

[umbral cipher]

Yeah you can do 2-4 real easy

[patent steeple]

which is a number i dont see a lot

[tiny fulcrum]

so you can get your friends in and crash your figurines together

[crisp night]

1v1v1 feels like it'd somehow be more chaotic than 1v1v1v1

[primal crypt]

@misty raven @toxic torrent @devout mauve maleghast has been proving to be a very fun game that players are investing in. You guys might enjoy this a ton, it's very aesthetic for you three

[crisp night]

maleghast actually got me back into listening to metal regularly

[primal crypt]

Is the 1.1 pdf pinned?

[crisp night]

which has been nice

[umbral cipher]

Oh I don't think it was

[primal crypt]

Oh wait itch link

It'll just be the itch right

[umbral cipher]

Ah, yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

the pdf is actually paid, but its only $6.66 usd

[primal crypt]

Right right

[tiny fulcrum]

(funny number)

[crisp night]

tom shortselling himself as usual

[primal crypt]

Yeah was hoping to look at the game before buying it but whatever

[candid monolith]

I will simply buy it multiple times

[primal crypt]

I can buy it for my friends if they're interested

[patent steeple]

tom said hes okay with folks pirating it

so like

[silent sluice]

it's also on Patreon if you're a patron

[versed ravine]

Im trying to get my friends in the game too

[tiny fulcrum]

oh lol

[candid monolith]

Based Tom making the game for purchase just to put another 666 in the game

[patent steeple]

idk how to phrase that

[umbral cipher]

But also we can't promote piratism directly on here

[patent steeple]

erm i can delete that comment then haha

[silent sluice]

Big Brother Discord will bonk you

[umbral cipher]

even if tom doesn't care tis still a discord thing yeah

[crisp night]

is that actually a discord tos thing?

huh

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah it is

[umbral cipher]

Yee

[tiny fulcrum]

please do not promote piracy here

[umbral cipher]

And we're a Big Server so tis important here

[tiny fulcrum]

(official hat on)

[patent steeple]

yee sorry bout that

[rancid girder]

in a 2v2, what happens if there is physically not enough space to deploy an entire force?

on the 10x10 brawl map each side has 20 squares of deployment zone and it is real easy to go above that

[jovial tulip]

Yeah I.. am honestly feeling the boards are a little small lol

[primal crypt]

Telefrag and obliterate

[umbral cipher]

You can place units up to 3 spaces from your deployment side

[candid monolith]

Enbiggen the deployment zone sounds good to me

[jovial tulip]

^

[crisp night]

i think small map size is fine because it lends itself to playing hard and fast and not having to schlep your way over

especially with a round limit

[umbral cipher]

Yeah the game's speed suits small maps very well

[crisp night]

but yeah the deployment zones are

[candid monolith]

Bigger DZ = get into the scrim that much faster anyway

[crisp night]

yeah

agreed

[umbral cipher]

I've been running brawl deployment zones as being up to three from your side and it works fine

[rancid girder]

yeah you can take 6 thralls and a tyrant per person which results in 22 squares of units

[jovial tulip]

I'm finding it's a very very crowded game, not that that's a bad thing
I'm used to bigger maps lol (BattleTech player)

[pale echo]

Tyrants can get away with having two of their squares poking out of the deploy zone imo

[umbral cipher]

battletech player 🫵

[jovial tulip]

I should try a 12x12 board, I wanna fit a sort of building made of wall tiles in the middle

[nova mason]

im mostly a hobbyist/collector. the only games in the warhammers id play regularly are the skirmish ones probably lol

[primal crypt]

Respectable

[crisp night]

i have a rules question which may be mostly pointless but i figure ill ask anyway

if a ranged act has no attack component and just causes an effect

it should just be a curse, yes?

[patent steeple]

no

[crisp night]

every ranged status thing i've found is just a curse

[patent steeple]

curse is a specific tag iirc

[pale echo]

yeah

[crisp night]

hm ok

i've found very few non-curse non-attack ranged actions but they do exist

namely, so far, painghoul's meat hook

leech's swell with corruption also

i'm mostly just trying to figure out how i should tag my own stuff

[ocean bloom]

That's mostly on allies but it's just causing a trigger

[rancid girder]

EGIS linegun

which is just flat 1 damage in a line without a roll

[crisp night]

oh yeah that doesn't say attack

ohhh

funny

weirdly, painghoul's hook and sacrifice's beckon are pull effects without the curse tag but chosen's kidnap does have curse

[pale echo]

Curse is a "cost" tag

[crisp night]

i just want to figure out what should and shouldn't be a curse

[pale echo]

It lets you make something stronger in exchange for enemies occasionally being immune to it

[ocean bloom]

This is what my Hosts do in the back line when no one else looking

https://i.imgur.com/O1DElWM.mp4

[junior elbow]

Anything with curse is a curse. Curses are often ranged effects that don't require a roll, the main thing is some enemies being curseproof

[crisp night]

hmmmm okay

got it

[junior elbow]

Ratfriends :3

[rancid girder]

ok so deployment in 2x2s is a problem

on heads! heads! heads! there's two walls in the deployment zone which reduces the total number of deployment squares to 18

[junior elbow]

You use 10x10 maps and have a 7x2 area to deploy in?

[rancid girder]

these units take up 19 squares

[candid monolith]

based

[umbral cipher]

Yeah give yourself more space

[junior elbow]

The special maps are already smaller than a standard map, I think you super need to extend them during multiplayer matches

[jovial tulip]

Mhm!
I'd say double them, honestly
I dunno if Tom found any issues with 12x12 but that solves the "gosh I am just 2 spaces short of being able to deploy my units using normal deployment zones"

That the 10x10 apparently has

[brazen pine]

Had an 8x8 map with 4 walls in the middle, my friend was playing deadsouls, Bounddevil walked through the walls and just instant killed one of my guys can i get a rip

[junior elbow]

Rip

[jovial tulip]

Dang

[umbral cipher]

yeah you can get a Rip And Tear

[hexed horizon]

F

[crisp night]

limb from limb actually

[junior elbow]

Needed a salt circle

[crisp night]

🤓

who has rip and tear i know someone does

[jovial tulip]

And the deadsouls player is just gonna make another wall too..

[umbral cipher]

I'm referencing a different move

[junior elbow]

Probably Goregrinders

[umbral cipher]

The beserker has it yea

[crisp night]

oh

[tiny fulcrum]

Goregrinder Berserker has Rip and Tear

[jovial tulip]

Ye

[junior elbow]

Rat bastards

[crisp night]

no that's gargamox

we're wall bastards

[junior elbow]

Weak bastards

[crisp night]

adverse terrain bastards

[rocky stump]

can hazards be created on elevated spaces, or can a tile only have one kind of feature on it?

[junior elbow]

That's Gargamox

Wait

I'm thinking of hazards

[latent sun]

Traits: Dread Presence, Puppet Master
ACTs: Doomblade, Frozen Hell
SOUL Abilities: Cyclopean Monolith, Soulfeed, Eternal Curse

Unit List:
Bound Devil x1
Chosen x1
Sacrifice x6 (3)```
Is this any good for a Spite "wall" build?

[junior elbow]

They stack

[rocky stump]

interesting

[latent sun]

The general idea is just have a bunch of walls and then to Limb From Limb someone with the Devil.

[junior elbow]

Deadsouls is definitely my 2nd favorite faction behind CARCASS

Haven't gotten to play with/against anyone with them yet but they seem very annoying

[arctic solar]

I (uninformed) think I honestly prefer banshees for 'wall' payoff
Limb from Limb feels like it costs a lot of walls for its damage

[junior elbow]

You can also create boards where you crush more walls than you need

[night hedge]

the hells are smiling at me

[night hedge]

eh i think it’s something you save for late game to nuke a unit

[latent sun]

Yeah we hadn't looked at Banshees when we were making this build... (it was very hastily concocted)

[tiny fulcrum]

me playing goregrinders against all these factions with funny tricks and setup

[night hedge]

not use every turn

[glacial junco]

ERE WE GO

[elder osprey]

Hi

[night hedge]

unholy sixgun devil bullet ftw

[tiny fulcrum]

7 Malice 2v2, woof

[night hedge]

also where goregrinder upgrades?

[brazen pine]

If a character with a Mutation takes a negative effect like Weak, can they use Mutation to cancel it?

[crisp night]

i think from what i remember using mutation on a negative token would consume the mutation but keep the weak token

[tiny fulcrum]

As long as you have the corresponding token it would discard, yes

[crisp night]

oh

[tiny fulcrum]

I mean, you can discard a mutation whenever you discard another token

[crisp night]

ohhhh wait

i see what you meant

like if you have strength and mutation but get weak

[naive glacier]

now this is maleghasting

[crisp night]

you can use the mutation instead of the strength

[naive glacier]

mutation can be discarded in place of ANY other token

this includes shit like plague berserk or doom if for some reason you decided to keep those

[versed ravine]

keeping all of my dooms is my master plan actually

[crisp night]

igarrga sounds more appealing by the day for heresy

igarrgi?

Whatever

[naive glacier]

there's like 500 iq plays im sure somewhere where you can suck up tokens on to some dude then eternal curse

in some kind of heresy game

[latent sun]

Igorri + Goregrinders does allow for some fun Berserk plays.

At least, we would assume.

[naive glacier]

originally heresy was a default rule for this game but monofaction felt way too good and heresy got complicated fast

[crisp night]

it's fun as an optional thing

[versed ravine]

heresy would brain blast me way too hard

[crisp night]

requires a lot of different sort of thinking

sideways thinking

[umbral cipher]

Yeah the faction design is so tight that monofaction just works Too Great

[candid monolith]

sorry for running my friend needs me btw

[crisp night]

this is a necro ACT

not default, you have to take it as an upgrade

is this too weird

[glacial junco]

The berzerker ran up mid, Something horrifying

[night hedge]

nah it’s about right

honestly could have an extra positive thing

[crisp night]

considering how easy it is for this faction to apply negative tokens i'm wary to

[night hedge]

necromancers get 2 damage as fairly standard

[crisp night]

maybe i just give the range a bump?

[night hedge]

maybe spend negative tokens to gain +1D

[crisp night]

SysAdmin is meant to be more of a backliner

[night hedge]

?

sure yeah

although if token add is easy enough why have the mechanics it has now

cause they’d almost always apply

[glacial junco]

Puked on my area. Chop doc decided he wanted to become a gunsmith and inject drugs into the artillery piece

[crisp night]

true

hrm

[glacial junco]

(I promise i wont give any more play by plays i just thought it was funny lol)

[crisp night]

i want to find a way to make this specific idea work for this act

without it being too good or too weak

[crisp night]

don't worry it is funny

the slop and the slime;

[rancid girder]

it controls so much fo the board

[night hedge]

the slop and slime is the gargamox club

[night hedge]

specifically 2 damage with -1D base or?

[crisp night]

2 damage with varying dice depending on the tokens of the target

[arctic solar]

idea: "You can treat any negative tokens as vulnerable tokens for this attack"

[night hedge]

maybe add dice based on number of different tokens applied?

[jovial tulip]

This would be such an awful tabletop game for me
Cause I'd want to play as all the factions
So I would buy everything

[night hedge]

then maybe a on a 6+ effect to make stacking those dice worth it?

[crisp night]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[jovial tulip]

I... Can't decide where to start, honestly

[crisp night]

maybe

yeah you know what i'll run with a 5+ or 6+ effect

idk what yet

but i like this idea more

thanks

[jovial tulip]

Oh
Sorry.
I'm interrupting with my rambles
Carry on

[crisp night]

no no it's fine!

you're interrupting nothing

[night hedge]

nws! always happy to help!

i need to get feedback on my homebrew at some point

cause bar some necromancer stuff and unit upgrades first draft is done

i have an essay to do and i’ve written more words on the homebrew than i have the essay by a solid x10

[brazen pine]

im just shouting balance suggestions into the void, i think Grow Bonus Limbs should be 1 SOUL, it costs your mutations and only gives you dice, no guarantee of effect (source: lost 2 mutation and rolled 1, 2, and 3 on 3d6 to hit a Def 4 unit ;-;)

[night hedge]

+1D is really hard to get bar elevation

[thick sphinx]

Yeah, it's not a small effect

[primal nest]

Salt, earlier this week: I just don’t know what mox would want out of heresy. They just seem so self sufficient with their stuff

Looks at Furious Roar: nvm!

[thick sphinx]

Furious Roar is the shit

Especially in 2v2s

[crisp night]

how's this? i made it more specific and gave the D a benefit beyond just hitting better

might make it 6+

[primal nest]

My scum will be the strongest

[crisp night]

i'd love to give feedback i just don't know if i'd be very good at it lmao

[thick sphinx]

It's all allies, not just the goregrinder ones

[crisp night]

i feel this

[ocean bloom]

Join us in Gargamax

[brazen pine]

sure, but 2 souls is also not cheap, especially when combined with costing mutation, but of course i might just be sad about my shit rolls lmao

[thick sphinx]

Yeah, I think it's very much a "I need to land this attack" button. Sympathy for the crap rolls though

[rancid girder]

friendlies aren't line of sight blockers, right?

[short estuary]

definitely not

[harsh gorge]

@snow estuary in here!

[crisp night]

okay i may be pushing the envelope a little hard with this one

but that's what homebrew is for

[snow estuary]

okay friends Karen inspired me to make you two brawl maps for maleghast

[crisp night]

oh??

[bronze jetty]

if this is true could someone please drop the 1.1 pdf in my dm’s

[bronze jetty]

oh looks like the original message was deleted

[harsh gorge]

spirie decided to make some fuckin dopeass battlemaps

[bronze jetty]

but games need community copies fr fr

[snow estuary]

Gridless + Grid alts, one 8x8 and one 10x10

[harsh gorge]

an 8x8 1v1 and a 10x10 2v2

theyre really lovely!!!!

spirie did a lovely job!!!!!

[snow estuary]

Thank you <3

[harsh gorge]

u did great

[crisp night]

these are SUPER sick

[glacial junco]

Hey uh

Funny question

[rancid girder]

does homunculus absorb activate on a target that is already on 0HP?

[short estuary]

IE from bloodrage

[umbral cipher]

I'd say so

[pale echo]

Whatcha got

[short estuary]

That was the funny question

the absorb

[pale echo]

oh okay

[short estuary]

We're just assuming the intent of "reduce to zero HP" is for all intents and purposes the same as "slay"

[glacial junco]

My son was stronger and ate and evolved

To explode because I stole the berzerk tokens

[short estuary]

(2 minutes of Igorrri hate ensues)

[glacial junco]

[royal socket]

I heard splash damages walls and just confirming that line also damages walls that breaks it LOS?

[umbral cipher]

Mhm

[royal socket]

Also update-1 splash rules seems to contradict. First says splash does not affect the target, and a few sentences later says it does.

[tiny fulcrum]

Can you post the screenshot?

[short estuary]

that doesn't contradict

the target takes 1 fire, then there's a splash of 1 fire

[naive glacier]

it means the ability deals 1 damage (referring to the ability not the splash)

[royal socket]

oh whoops

[short estuary]

The target itself does not take a second fire

[royal socket]

I think i skimmed over the first damage part. The almost repeated text at the bottom was getting my brain in a funk

[glacial junco]

Just so you'd see it, We played it like it was "When enemy slain"

[rancid girder]

@short estuary

[pine crescent]

https://github.com/delzhand/isocon/releases
IsoCON updated to Maleghast (Update 1)!

[brazen pine]

lookin absolutely handsome

[violet jolt]

in case no one has made the joke yet: Maleghast, my homebrew hack of Maleghast where you command an undead dance crew competing for a contract with Chippendales

[short cloud]

just preserving this here

[glacial junco]

My son has eatten once again

Absorb feels great (It should be nerfed)

[thick sphinx]

I have a feeling it's especially nasty against Goregrinders

[glacial junco]

Obliterating enemies is just so strong on something I don't need to roll and kill confirming seems simple but then again this might just be an isolated incident since Its
Igorri/CARCASS
VS
GARGOMOX/GOREGRINDER

[thick sphinx]

And Abhorrers

Both will likely have lots of stuff on 1/0 hp

[pulsar lodge]

Good game

played once and keep thinking about different potential matchups

[gentle thicket]

Where can I find the tokens for that Isocon program?

[violet jolt]

there's an assets folder in the downloads for Maleghast itself? not sure if that helps

[gentle thicket]

hm let me try that

[pine crescent]

yeah definitely use the asset pack on the original patreon post

I'd recommend dropping the necro portraits into the token folder as well

unless you've already got artwork for them

[brazen pine]

is this a module for icon in foundry?

[glacial junco]

Its a standalone isometric board

[pine crescent]

IsoCON is a standalone program

[glacial junco]

This objective seems Action Econwise A bit impossible in 6 rounds

[pine crescent]

It's still in beta but should be usable - @ me if you have any issues

[rancid girder]

ok yeah complaint heads heads heads takes twelve seven actions to complete

[brazen pine]

wow! i dont know why i even assumed it was foundry, thats super cool!

[pine crescent]

It's not as full featured as foundry but it requires no setup

well, aside from port forwarding if you're hosting, I guess

[jovial tulip]

What's the play like?

[short estuary]

It's fun in theory but the DPR is very low in my experience

[crisp night]

what's DPR

[short estuary]

Very limited ability to kill anything with vit or relevant armor

[crisp night]

damage per round?

[short estuary]

Damage per round

[crisp night]

for mox?

[short estuary]

yes

[crisp night]

hm

piss

i'm gonna try them out tomorrow anywya

good to know going into it

[short estuary]

You really need to get plague on people early if you want it to pay off

But there are exactly zero mox abilities that do more than 1 damage on a hit, and str is hard to come by

[crisp night]

it seems to me looking at all of their options that stacking a lot of plague is the goal, as well as putting hazards literally everywhere

[short estuary]

I try to bring a rotten to do that but they usually get picked off very early

[opaque socket]

I don't think this has a round limit

[brazen pine]

imo gargamox have consistent spread damage with their infection, plague, and hazard mechanics, you won't be bursting people down but you can ensure a constant ticking clock will be looming over your opponent

[crisp night]

yeah

[outer plover]

deadsouls gamers rise up

[rancid girder]

right but everyone's gonna be dead by the time anyone's halfway to the objective

[grave warren]

Isn't the six round limit a base rule of all scenarios?

[short estuary]

having played them three times at this point it just does not stack up against the high DPR of other factions

And against Igorri (my eternal enemy) my ability to get a kill when there's endless vit is super limited

[cinder isle]

what all has everyone been using for maps, so far?

[pale echo]

Before or after the new update?

[cinder isle]

what base terrain, i mean

[short estuary]

2 before, just finished one after

None of the updated effects actually came up I'm pretty sure

At least not on the Mox side

[opaque socket]

I know i've had friends who played it till completion in a 2v2 and it worked

apparently

[short estuary]

What factions were they using?

[opaque socket]

Igorri, Gargamox, Arbhorer and...

man I forgot the last one

[short estuary]

Also who was on what side matters a lot

At least it mattered a lot in this game

[tiny fulcrum]

Have you taken or had a look at the Carniphagous Blade on your Plaguelord?

[charred glacier]

Yalllll
https://www.tumblr.com/c--iiii6w6/733010670398914560/all-my-magnagothica-necromancers-compiled

[pale echo]

Yooooooo

[glacial junco]

Holy shit these rule

[short estuary]

I have and it doesn't address my experience

[elfin ermine]

love the hair on these

[pine crescent]

oh my dogg these rule

[short estuary]

What does help is necrocide

But that's only on my necro

[tiny fulcrum]

I mean, it spreads Strength tokens

[rancid girder]

ok yeah I was gonna say carcass is absolutely not leaving anyone alive by the time people complete the objective

[gentle thicket]

I dont really know how to make the tokens work.
I created a folder for the tokens and redirected to it in the data path but it still no tokens are found
Also the deadsouls necromancer slot in the type menu seems to be missing

[opaque socket]

my bad it was a free for all

and the last one was def deadsouls

[short estuary]

yes, on one option on your necromancer

[patent steeple]

yesssss katana abhorrers

[opaque socket]

I don't know I just heard from them after the game to be clear

[pine crescent]

This could probably be clearer, sorry - you should have a folder called /tokens inside your data path folder

The default data path has all the folders created automatically but if you move it you might not see the structure

[glacial junco]

Gosh your Chirurgeon is so fuckin gender

Do you take commission

[tiny fulcrum]

Shrug, I think there's a couple of lines of play you can do to get strength/plague tokens out at a reasonable clip

[glacial junco]

Nvm found your page

[ocean bloom]

I have only played once. I filled the board with so many hazards and exploded a corpse which set off a chain reaction of someone I cursed exploding and dying which killed people around them.

There's a few ways to play but what I wound up doing was making the enemy all bog together in hazards then cause an explosion that harmed them all the more

[opaque socket]

wait hold on

[short estuary]

Strength and plague token gen are two different issues, and my experience is that you absolutely need the str gen to finish off the enemy

[opaque socket]

the problem is gargamox damage doesn't do enough right ?

[short estuary]

Plague can't kill, so the situation I find myself in a lot of the time is I can get them down to 1 but can't finish off a unit with vit or armor

[opaque socket]

does that account for the plague ?

[tiny fulcrum]

How many Rotten are you bringing?

Because imo they're a lynchpin unit and you should take at least 2

[opaque socket]

ah okay

[short estuary]

I usually have just been bringing 1, but they also tend to picked off pretty easily

A lot of mine have also been 3-4 player games where I only got 4 units to work with

This last one necrocide was basically the MVP because I was bouncing it around gunwrights to deal with them

But if 2 rotten are required for it to feel good that doesn't feel good to me either

[tiny fulcrum]

I mean, every faction has lynchpin units that make it click

Imo that's very hard to avoid

The fact Rotten can use Plague as Strength makes them your de facto armour/vit busters

[arctic solar]

Melt on the plaguelord can bust armor if not vit, I guess?

[thick sphinx]

Worth noting as well that Plague tokens ignore Vitality when they do damage.

[coarse pagoda]

Just wanted to say, this game art is sick

[thick sphinx]

Can't kill, but can get you the better part of the way there

[short estuary]

Lynchpin, fine, required to fill 2 slots of your limited slots to work feels less good

[thick sphinx]

I do also think that Vile Rupture is not a bad approach to wiping out Vitality tokens, maybe?

Especially with a Leech activating it

[ocean bloom]

Do Hazards ignore vitality?

[short estuary]

no

[opaque socket]

wow melt is kinda insane yeah

[short estuary]

They do ignore armor

[rancid girder]

vile rupture?

[gentle thicket]

Its working now! Thanks!
Just the deadsouls necromancer seems to be missing in the type dropdown menu