MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[opaque socket]

I really wanna play again namely because I didn't get a lot of soul last time I played

[nova mason]

Which is one of my fave memes

[opaque socket]

On account of facing a Deadsoul

[glacial junco]

I really wanna play again. (End of statement)

[naive glacier]

its a fun game!

[nova mason]

For me it's garga and souls for that

[candid monolith]

I really need to get my players to commit to playing with me

[naive glacier]

that was pleasantly surprising to me lol

[opaque socket]

I wanna get more soul kill my units more

[naive glacier]

I was like cool this game works it is fun

[bleak folio]

question for future reference
an lfg post for this would be in #misc-game-recruiting wouldnt it

[short estuary]

Trollcraft carrier rev 2: (this time it's legal edition) Gargamox Holy body 4 scum 2 slime

[nova mason]

Way prefer punk and goth fashion

[opaque socket]

Oh question Tom

Is it intentional you can clear Doom tokens by attacking your own units ?

[naive glacier]

yeah

[opaque socket]

yeah

nice

[naive glacier]

also bullet time now gives token clear

[keen ravine]

I think the low health makes things very clean and quick while the tokens add a good amount of complexity without being overwhelming

[naive glacier]

I realized operators had none of it

there is some dirty strats with CARCASS

[candid monolith]

I already love this game so much

[naive glacier]

you can devil bullet to STG

and dome the other necro

if they are sleeping

[torn portal]

Yay my goregrinders get buffs, nice!

[eager berry]

Carcass version of Cup Check

[keen ravine]

Operator very funny since they want to just be hopping around shooting the shit out of people while the rest of carcass wants to just stand there and chill

[candid monolith]

Fellow grinder enjoyer

[naive glacier]

STG used to be called 'sever divine thread'

[opaque socket]

I fucking love slide reload

[naive glacier]

but I thought the new name was more weaboo

[keen ravine]

STG is also assault rifle in german so it works

i thought that was the intention haha

[naive glacier]

im gonna release a zine with like rules errat and some other bullshit at some point so if you have homebrew, art, converted minis, etc ill ask you guys to send them to me at some pt

[opaque socket]

STG CLEARLY means "Swear To God"

[glacial junco]

Yeah the game we had the operator was just swarmed by scum (LOS map made the necro not great) so we didn't get to see them at their best

[opaque socket]

its what your operator says before using it

[short estuary]

We did still tie in that game

[opaque socket]

"I Swear To God bro"
Sends you to hell

[keen ravine]

I'll be happy if I get to devil bullet+STG to win the game at least once

[short estuary]

We also had some issues with misreading double tap tho

[glacial junco]

thats true but I ran my tyrant down mid very sillily

[short estuary]

I'm also not sure we actually ran the los blocker correctly in retrospect

[glacial junco]

We only messed up the line iirc

And maybe mortar

[short estuary]

Other question directly related to the trollcraft carrier: if you heresy a non-gargamox unit but are still using Gargamox as your faction do they inherit the plague not damaging them?

[keen ravine]

speaking of running it down my friends have been joking that tyrant gameplay is league of legends

[glacial junco]

I absolutely treated my thralls like dota minions in Blood Grinder mode.
"NO THEY ARE MINE, DOCTOR TAKE THAT LADS ORGANS"
Denies points

[short estuary]

It's ok they come back

[charred glacier]

Hey y'all, Retalliate does Curse damage right? Or does it do physical and can be resisted by armor?

[tame pasture]

i wanna try tac reload gunwights

i feel like they could be cracked you manage to keep them alive

[short estuary]

If it doesn't specify it's physical by default

[tame pasture]

(the hard part is keeping them alive)

[short estuary]

And therefore yes is reduced by armor

[umbral cipher]

Hmm hmm

HARVESTMAN
Rickertock Scion
MV 3 HP 4 DF 5+ ARM -
Traits: 
Ghoulcore
ACT Abilities:
Scythe Through (Attack, Melee)
Unit may Step 1 before attacking. On Hit: Splash (self) 1 damage.

Rust Scrape (Line)
Line 3: Deal 1 damage (5+) then do it again.

Wheat From Chaff (Curse, Recycle)
Curse: All hostile units within Range 2 take 2 Vulnerable (+4) and 2 Slow.

[twilit atlas]

to use recycle abilities you have to kill adjacent allies?

[umbral cipher]

Yep

Or well, kill A adjacent ally

[undone kestrel]

Does converted include custom-sculpted stuff, and side question, can I make physical casts of stuff I’ve made based on your art? Because Carcass rules and I’m halfway done sculpting all of them.

[candid monolith]

The fact that you've gotten the sculpt in that kind of time is cool as hell

I'm still struggling on conceptualizing my design

[undone kestrel]

Good concept art makes this easier, and the art is so good that it’s easy to work from that base.

[arctic solar]

I will say, I think you want to take the defense values down a point across the faction, or maybe reduce HP values by 1 (going off deadsouls)

[umbral cipher]

Deadsouls usually also pack Ward

But yeah shall see

[arctic solar]

true
I just think 5+ def could get troublesome

esp. with ghoulcore

[umbral cipher]

Harvestman prolly doesn't need it

Soultickers can keep their 5+ though, the biggest thing to do with them is to murder them for profit anyways

[pulsar lodge]

does this +5 mean i roll for this ability when I use it

[tame pasture]

yes

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, you roll an effect dice

[pulsar lodge]

okay so that ability doesn't automatically apply. Do I need to beat my own units defence or something

[umbral cipher]

The base thing still happens but the dice luck let you do extra shit

[pulsar lodge]

oh okay

[umbral cipher]

When you see that on attacks you're also rolling an effect die for those

[pulsar lodge]

cool

[charred glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/cartoons-gif-19552381

Playing my first Igorii match be like

[arctic solar]

if you have no berserk tokens, then steal or gain one mid-action, do you trigger the token? This is partly about Rev w/ the upgrade but also about igorri

[glacial junco]

its after the ACT so i believe so, wrong reply*

[tacit cedar]

I would have thought so since by the timing of 'after ACT' you are at that point a beserk unit

[arctic solar]

rad, noted

[tacit cedar]

which I imagine is partially why it's an upgrade you opt into in the case of rev

[arctic solar]

this makes rile... interesting

[glacial junco]

its a nice way to get to use the strength token immedietly

[arctic solar]

yeah

[glacial junco]

Me when I use Spare Parts:
https://youtu.be/a44CrsT9Se4

[umbral cipher]

Have a funky one

EFFIGY
Rickertock Horror
MV 4 HP 4 DF 4+ ARM N/A
Traits:
Ghoulcore
Stiltwalker: Ignores adverse terrain and elevation attack and movement penalties.
ACT Abilities:
Hate Spike (Melee, Attack)
On Hit: Deal 0 damage. If this attack deals damage, deal an additional 1 (+4) 2 Curse damage, ignoring armour.

Crowscare (Recycle, Melee, Attack)
Unit Steps 3 before attacking. On Hit: Target takes 2 Damage and Slow 2.

[arctic solar]

I dig it
Sometimes you want to graze which is funny

[loud abyss]

do step attacks still let you move on a graze?

[umbral cipher]

In this case it would happen before you roll, so yeah

[loud abyss]

rad, thank you 😊

[crisp night]

things that happen after an attack hits don’t happen on a graze

things that happen before do

i THINK

[umbral cipher]

Yeah

[crisp night]

don’t quote me on that

ok do quote me on that

[umbral cipher]

If it's after On Hit, then it does not happen on a Graze

Because you gotta hit

[tacit cedar]

hit: effects require a hit, effect: effects do not

[umbral cipher]

Also that yeah

[arctic solar]

there are a few things that connect the hit to the effect via a comma, which admittedly makes them hard to spot

[loud abyss]

''things that happen after an attack hits don’t happen on a graze
things that happen before do
i THINK''

• thud (she/her), 3.10pm 03/11/2023

and noted, homebrewing a drowned house and double checking for some effects

nothings more fun than swimming through adverse terrain to drag a dude back into the water

[candid monolith]

Helmet design is going well (wip)

[umbral cipher]

yeah, thought a Horror that needs Vulnerable/Strength setup but then does Nasty damage would be interesting

[loud abyss]

oh also for double checking cause had this confusion when playing before, can you add strength tokens to graze

[umbral cipher]

Yep

Strength applies to All damage a unit deals

Including stuff like Retaliate or whatnot

[loud abyss]

thank god, igorri sample genome for the win

[serene sundial]

Not only can, you must.

[loud abyss]

managed to get some ridiulous homunculous strength stacks with that

[charred glacier]

I WOULD LIKE TO LODGE A FORMAL COMPLAINT I HAVE KILLED THIS WOMAN FAIR AND SQUARE LIKE TWO TIMES AND SHE JUST KILLED MY DOGS AND THREW A KINFE-HAMSTER IN FRONT OF ME AND BLEW RASPBERRIES AT ME

[umbral cipher]

😔

[umbral cipher]

also hell yeah

[nova mason]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-skill-issue-orangutan-ape-monke-fall-gif-24866522

[solid vapor]

We have a rat problem

@viscid path post ur homebrew idea babe

[umbral cipher]

I see no issue

[tired bolt]

looks like a rat solution to me

[drowsy crane]

Hey folks. Anyone knows if the art for the Malaghast pdf has any spiders in it? Want to show it to a friend who has arachnophobia. I looked through and couldn't find any, but figured I'd ask around as well, just in case

[umbral cipher]

It does not

[crisp night]

if gargamox had a tyrant it should be a rat king fusion of a bunch of giant rats

[nova mason]

It should be a sewer gator imo

[drowsy crane]

Thank you!

[crisp night]

nah you know what that’s genius

it should have an act where it can grab a unit and death roll it and spray plague everywhere during it

i love gators and crocodiles and all sorts of big carnivorous reptiles

[keen ravine]

Own a LV4 Living Cannon for home defense, since that's what Carcenkarrion intended.

[charred glacier]

Onestrenght per hit?

[arctic solar]

Spend one strength per hit, yes

[pearl fulcrum]

In the same way, multiattacks spend multiple vitality, yes?

[arctic solar]

Yes

[pearl fulcrum]

sick

[charred glacier]

DOes the same apply to bursts a la?

[arctic solar]

Yea

Literally whenever you deal damage, spend strength/vitality/vuln/weak

Once per damage instance dealt

Bury your enemies in pings and tokens

[zinc solstice]

A lot of balance work in the talks today, huh.
Well: thank you Tom Kill Billions

[solid vapor]

YEAHHH

if you draw portraits ill fiddle with some stats

maybe something like lock on abilities?

[viscid path]

hmmm maybe. my original concept was terrain destruction

[solid vapor]

ooh

[viscid path]

Deadsouls hard counter

but idk

[charred glacier]

Y'ALL PLEASE TELL ME i DON'T NEED TO USE ALL HTE STEPS OR i'M SO BONED

[halcyon wharf]

heh, boned

[charred glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-5623066

[halcyon wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

[umbral cipher]

yeaaAAAAHH

[solid vapor]

whats the name btw

something shroud?

oh duh

sinter

[charred glacier]

We went with "You must step the full 2 instead. It felt more in keeping with the vibe. He would have only moved one step closer to her anyway.

This lil' man is gonna try to live the dream

[umbral cipher]

fucked up metal construct necromancy homebrew gang 🤝

[solid vapor]

Special Mechanic: Scrap - When a Sintershroud unit destroys a Wall, it gains a Scrap token. Certain moves can spend Scrap for bonuses.

Special Tags:
Jury-Rig X - Requires a Scrap token to use or trigger additional effects.

@viscid path

[tame matrix]

Can a barrelform reload on its own while it is using Transform to Gun?

[umbral cipher]

Hmmm
This seems tricky because it would be really map dependent unless they're also really good at Making those walls

[umbral cipher]

Think so yeah

[solid vapor]

yeah id say certain moves will also just grant scrap outright

[umbral cipher]

That's fair

[charred glacier]

oh no not the meathook

oh god oh shit oh fuck

[solid vapor]

CONSTRUCT - This unit does not leave a Corpse token, but instead grants a Scrap token to an allied unit in range 3.

[tame matrix]

Even though it's unable to actually MOVE?

[umbral cipher]

You still have the Move action I think

Just can't use it to, well, move

So you can prolly Reload

[tame matrix]

That does make sense I guess

[umbral cipher]

this is what I'm doing with my 'haunted scarecrows' house, Rickertocks, if it helps at all

Faction Mechanic:
Ghoulcore: Units with this trait fall apart and turn into a Soulticker the first time they die.

Special Tags:
Recycle: To activate an ability with Recycle, the activating unit must kill an adjacent ally.

SOULTICKER
Rickertock Thrall
MV 4 HP 2 DF 5+ ARM -`
Traits: 
Skitter: When this unit MOVEs after the first time on it's turn, it may pass through units and walls.
Thrall: 2 of these units are worth 1 unit slot. You may activate 2 at a time.

ACT Abilities:
Pins And Needles (Attack, Range 1-2)
On Hit: 1 Damage, (4+) 1 Vulnerable

Ghoulic Overclock (Self, Splash)
Splash (self): 1 Curse damage, 1 Slow, then self is slain.

[charred glacier]

Recyle is a Igorii Act ability btw!

[umbral cipher]

Oh? Good t' know

[solid vapor]

ahh very turnip 28, like those cannibal guys

Special Mechanic: Scrap - When a Sintershroud unit destroys a Wall, it gains a Scrap token. Certain moves can spend Scrap for bonuses.

Special Tags:
Jury-Rig X - Requires a Scrap token to use or trigger additional effects, regardless if the roll hits or not.
Construct X - This unit does not leave behind a Corpse token, but instead grants X Scrap to an allied unit in Range 3.```

Chunky Shrapnel: Attack, Range 2-3
1 Damage. Jury-Rig 2: Create a Wall in a space adjacent to the target.```

[umbral cipher]

Had to look up what this was, but radical

[umbral cipher]

And yeah I gotta figure out a different word then 😔

Repurpose, Scrap, Consume...

ohh, Harvest...

[nova mason]

Reap

[umbral cipher]

Reap is a good one too

[pearl fulcrum]

Glean?

[umbral cipher]

Fun word but not quite

The idea behind these guys is that they're a bunch of scarecrows built out of junk powered by a core full of ghosts, and if you destroy them their heart just sort of scrambles out of the wreckage and runs away

[pearl fulcrum]

Cull
Gather
Extract
Exploit

?

Scuttle?

Call the token junk and use the word scrap as a verb?

[charred glacier]

cw: Gruesome decomposition description

Y'ALL I DIDN'T KILL A SINGLE ENEMY UNIT. IT ENDED WITH A FUCKING RECYCLE. SHE ||POPPED LIKE A ROTTING INTESTINE SWELLING WITH MAGGOTS AND FERMENTED BILE||. A NEW BLOOD FEUD IS BORN SEE YOU IN SIX DAYS.

[nova mason]

Ngl those corpse icons are adorable

[short cloud]

is spreader and necrotide blade a good build on a plaguelord?

or is the ranged infect act upgrade just better

[nova mason]

Lol

[charred glacier]

or here, actually, heres a link to the gameicons page
https://game-icons.net/1x1/lorc/carrion.html#download

[short cloud]

is fecundity good?

[pale echo]

Looks solid to me

Pump up a Slime, they love plague tokens

[short cloud]

also: funny melee operator

i doubt this is good lol

[tired bolt]

if you use MOVE to reload does it reload all your reloads or only one?

[silent sluice]

all

[tired bolt]

oh pog

[silent sluice]

likewise, shooting something with reload prevents you from using everything

[lethal trench]

Reload is a binary

[tired bolt]

ahhh

[lethal trench]

you don't track it individually

[tired bolt]

thanks

with exception of LV4 living cannon?

[lethal trench]

Cannon is... weird

still not entirely sure how it works

[pale echo]

yeah that one's weird

[rich scarab]

You gotta reload twice before you use it again

[pale echo]

But is that "vertical" or "horizontal"

"You need an additional reload to use it, and any reload shot empties that" or "every other time you reload, with firing in-between, reloads it"

[lethal trench]

the main question is
say you use Cannon, then reload, then use Akimbo, then reload
can you use Cannon again now?

[rich scarab]

Thats how I see it

It's reload twice to use the cannon again, it doesn't say anything about stopping it for every other effect

[keen ravine]

https://vxtwitter.com/ganglemanVA/status/1720085856986276050
devil bullet+stg

[drifting heron]

What do you call the igorri fashion

Idk the term

[umbral cipher]

stylin?

[drifting heron]

What fashion this?

[crisp night]

flesh doctor

[lethal trench]

mad science techwear

[crisp night]

they just kind of wear fancy labcoats and medical wear

[tired bolt]

igorri

[candid monolith]

Jojo's Bizarre Cosmetic Surgery

[glacial junco]

There really isnt a defined fashion name for it, Its several fashions in one.

[naive glacier]

they have a little japanese street formal in them

already took notes for future factions to add lol

[nova mason]

It's very like street wear filtered through japanese traditional/formal clothes yeah

[naive glacier]

fucked up bird faction

[pale echo]

yes
YES

[naive glacier]

vampire spider faction

[tired bolt]

YEAAA

[crisp night]

holy shit

[candid monolith]

I don't know if I have the skill to achieve the levels of weird and gay I need to bring this design together but gods damnit I've got the hat and can't stop now

[crisp night]

oh yeah this reminds me i gotta get on tom patreon

[naive glacier]

silent hill faction

[nova mason]

Lol

[crisp night]

WHAT

pyramid head tyrant

[naive glacier]

anyway no designs on anything yet just noodling

[candid monolith]

Triangle head

[nova mason]

Tbh a weird tree faction could be cool

[night hedge]

what kinda time is the errata gonna come out as an estimate?

[naive glacier]

i dunno

[pearl fulcrum]

mushroom faction?

[naive glacier]

i have to finish work maybe late tonight or tomorrow afternoon

[pearl fulcrum]

you cannot kill me in a way that matters?

[night hedge]

nice

[nova mason]

Like they have roots growing in them and shit lol

[night hedge]

i'm workin on a wasp mail delivery faction

[naive glacier]

i think there's also room for some kind of witch faction

bird faction is a speed faction, spider faction is a vit faction

silent faction is a weak faction

[nova mason]

Gun witches boner edition lol

[naive glacier]

there u go

[night hedge]

yeah derpghost is working on scarecrow witches atm it's lookin really cool

[tired bolt]

damn, not even out and they already weak

[nova mason]

[candid monolith]

Smh my head they got no gains

[nova mason]

All those Hollow bones

[drifting heron]

Is corpsegrinder technically the burning corpse faction?

[bleak folio]

mm curse-focused witch faction

[south tartan]

which unit limit would you use for a 3 player slaughter?

[opaque socket]

a silent hill faction you say

[night hedge]

4 i'd say but can also always play at 5 it's a difference of 3-6 units

[candid monolith]

I think we're the ones who are burning as goregrind

[opaque socket]

will it have a stream voting system like Ascension ?

[candid monolith]

It makes us faster

[glacial junco]

I think we played 3 player Blood Grinder with 5 units wasnt too bad

[drifting heron]

Idk why I keep thinking them as corpsegrinder

[arctic solar]

first maleghast faction to have qtes

[candid monolith]

Corpsegrinder cults in necromunda maybe

[night hedge]

struggling to figure out rules for House Velgarii so just gonna draw em and then work the rules back from there

[drifting heron]

Yea I keep thinking of 40k lol

[candid monolith]

GGs have a similar vibe (but are way cooler)

[opaque socket]

If we play enough Maleghast, we will give the silent hill faction hope

[night hedge]

moreleghast

[drifting heron]

Idk why but I keep thinking there's a burning corpse faction

Like skeleton on fire bomb faction

[candid monolith]

Turn your dead into bomb

Cool mechanic

[crisp night]

anti-igorri behavior

turn corpses into bombs

[thick sphinx]

Cuz Cannibal Corpse is on their soundtrack?

[umbral cipher]

YEAAAH

[thick sphinx]

I do love me some spiders

[crisp night]

i will do whatever possible to get the bird faction

i love birds

favorite group of animal

[thick sphinx]

Bird Eating Spiders?

[crisp night]

birds then reptiles then funny small mammals

like bats and rats

actually that's a lie

birds then bugs then reptiles

then the funny small mammals

[umbral cipher]

And yeah I'm currently doing like, haunted scarecrow witch shit that focus on Vulnerable and Slow

[bleak folio]

id say "gib me rat faction" but das just gargamox

[thick sphinx]

Actually, though, Towers of Silence are so incredibly metal-sounding you can't not make a bird faction out of them

[crisp night]

i wonder what color the factions will all be

blood red for the spiders, deep blue for one of them i'm sure

what other color options have gone unexplored

[thick sphinx]

Brown would be great for a grungier faction

[uneven prawn]

dark green is still open

[crisp night]

i somehow forgot that brown is a color

my brain has holes in it

[languid lotus]

being the machine-loving fuck i am i hope we get a faction with heavy emphasis on cyborging

[candid monolith]

Machines are cool

[languid lotus]

granted, properly reflavored igorri work relatively well - spare parts can be in a mechanical sense

[candid monolith]

Listen I picked the most heavy metal leather daddy DooM villain faction and I'm pretty sure the iconic guy has a toaster for a head looking at him so I think you can robot ask of them if you dream big enough

[languid lotus]

yeah goregrinders has machinery but i want Moar

[tired salmon]

so that's what the mf stood for

[candid monolith]

Oh no shit he has a motor for a head

[umbral cipher]

HARROWPLOUGH
Rickertock Tyrant
MV 3 HP 6 DEF 2+ ARM -
Traits:
Unceasing Labor: The first time this unit is slain, it creates two Soulticker thralls in free spaces adjacent to it and is revived with 4 HP. These Soultickers do not give Soul on death.
Tyrant: 2x2 Unit

ACT Abilities:
Till The Field (Self, Splash)
Effect: Unit Steps 2, destroying all walls it moves into, then Splash (self): foes take 1 Curse damage and 1 Vulnerable.

Workhearse (Melee, Attack)
Effect: Two units within Range 2 take 1 Slow.
On Hit: Target takes 2 (+4) 3 damage.

Reaper Crush (Splash, Harvest)
Effect: This unit takes 2 damage, which cannot bring it below 1 HP.
Splash (Self): 1 damage twice (4+) and 1 damage again.

hmmmmm

unceasing labor is probably too stronk atm but it IS sick vibes

[arctic solar]

yeah that's a lot of raw HP

[umbral cipher]

i'll drop it to revving at 2 HP

maybe only one thrall spawn...

[arctic solar]

workhearse is also kind of A Lot

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, perhaps

and Reaper Crush's cost is too high for what it does...

i'll drop that self-damage

Workhearse gets knocked down to dealing just 2, slows have to be on an adjacent unit?

[night hedge]

gonna try and make the units for Velgarii be a full life cycle with the necromancers being kinda like beekeepers

[granite karma]

working on a gunwright (stapling bones to a heroforge mini)

[night hedge]

with the wasps putting larvae in skeletons to make the thralls

[umbral cipher]

hell yeah

[uneven prawn]

i have a homebrew faction idea i really like that i might want to start working on once i get some games under my belt

beast faction with hunger tokens that deals 1 damage at the end of the turn to the carrier of the token or an adjacent ally before getting discarded. can be preemptively discarded by consuming an adjacent corpse as a free action once per turn

if only i was an artist though...

[cerulean crag]

Played my first game last night. Y'all this shit's good as hell. Still terrible probably and got questions but like. idk just wanted to say hi and check out the thread

[umbral cipher]

yo!

[uneven prawn]

ive been trying to get foundry set up with the wonderful tools the community has made

all i need to do know is figure out how to get the battlemaps integrated, but then i think i have everything i need

[night hedge]

just realised, anti priest + exorcist + any gore grinders unit with blood rage is hella strong

because the gore grinder survives on 0, then when it dies it then has miracle on a 4+, which then brings them back to 1 to then blood rage again

[arctic solar]

okay doodling a mechanic for my justicars

Law: When a character with a Law token slays or obliterates a unit, they take 1 curse damage per held Law, ignoring ward, then discard all Law tokens. 

[umbral cipher]

oh interestin

[arctic solar]

there'll be a SOUL ability to cash these out early probably

[cerulean crag]

is foundry what people are reccomending to use?

[umbral cipher]

Roll20 is jank but free

Owlbear works alright too

[gentle leaf]

I've been wondering the same! I wanted to play a round or two this weekend, but wasn't sure which VTT was recommended

[patent steeple]

any vtt works

[mystic lark]

Rules question: Can you ACT before MOVEing or do you have to MOVE first

[uneven prawn]

foundry is something i already have and want to get more experience with. it works well once you know what youre doing

[patent steeple]

u can do it in any order

[mystic lark]

ty

[patent steeple]

u can MOVE + MOVE but not ACT + ACT

is the only restriction

[umbral cipher]

oh no i haven't thought about necro design at all

[gentle leaf]

move + act
act + move
move + move
all check out, right?

[patent steeple]

yep

[umbral cipher]

mhm!

[gentle leaf]

hell yea. ty

[night hedge]

Hatch - If a unit is affected by a hatch token, at the end of that units turn the player controlling it rolls a d6, +1D per hatch token. On a 5+, the unit gains either 1 weak, vulnerability or slow, then distributes a hatch token to an allied unit in range and clears all remaining hatch tokens. Velgarri units on a 5+ gain either 1 strength, speed or vitality per hatch token, then distribute a hatch token to any unit in range.

Distribute: Once used, remove a token from this unit and give it to another unit within range 3. If there are no units in range then remove one token.

infectious status, similar to gargamox, but units are gonna be more offence focused

instead of stalling with passive damage it's quickly buff self or debuff enemy and rush

will probably have one of the units generate hatch out of corpses

[candid monolith]

One of my friends has confirmed they are gargamaxxing

[granite karma]

the ribs are gonna be such a bitch to print lmao

[torn hare]

I have absolutely no free time but I really wanna make a "Pirate" faction with lots of pushing/pulling/dragging etc. Nets and hooks and tentacles and sharks and all that.

[plush verge]

i haven't gotten the book yet, what's the vibes? as in the narrative and setting and such

[umbral cipher]

death metal necromancy

[willow flame]

/Heavy meta /goth /punk

[night hedge]

i wish there was a name for someone who keeps wasps like apiarist, but really the word is 'dude what the fuck'

[abstract sand]

Getting ready to play a maleghast game in person

Having fun coloring in the pictures

[night hedge]

YOOOOOO

[torn hare]

Masochist

[night hedge]

gonna be playing in person on sunday with 3 others, but we're just gonna be using chess pieces

[umbral cipher]

hell yeah

[uneven prawn]

"At the end of the world is a HOLE. In the hole is a CITY. The city is sliding into HELL."

[patent steeple]

its a metal inspired skirmish game where you control a unit of undead

[arctic solar]

vespiarist I think

swapping out vespae for apis

[patent steeple]

the metal stuff is pretty take it or leave it i think, idk anything about metal and its still pretty fun

[uneven prawn]

the city is called Anzenmezzeron (assuming i spelled the correctly). Death doesnt work right there so necromancy is a thing and necromancers fight eachother, mostly for power and with the goal of escaping the clutches of mortality forever

[patent steeple]

same thing with the setting too

[plush verge]

thank you

[patent steeple]

its not like ur gonna be roleplaying much unless u really wanna

[night hedge]

thanky

[candid monolith]

Metal is just the vibe even if you don't listen to it

[keen ravine]

there's something for everyone even if you're not a metalhead

[patent steeple]

yeah thats how i am with loads of toms games haha

[candid monolith]

I 100% want to roleplay in Anzenmezzeron tho

[willow flame]

Each faction has a soundtrack section

[keen ravine]

Igorri isn't super metal in vibe while Deadsouls is extremely so

[patent steeple]

im not into lancer's setting, its still one of my favorite games

[pulsar lodge]

I don’t listen to metal at all but I’m playing my first game with a friend tonight and he says he’s heard of about half the bands and listens to them regularly

[keen ravine]

Carcass is for the dorohedoro fans

[willow flame]

I think there was a discussion about what Igorri's aesthetic is awhile ago

[gloomy shell]

yeah my friend's the same haha

[keen ravine]

Yeah tom mentioned that the Igorri necromancers are inspired by Japanese street fashion

[gloomy shell]

man the Dorohedoro manga ost would be great for Maleghast

[night hedge]

i don't listen to metal really so am at a disadvantage when trying to write homebrew lol

[lapis bone]

It'd be fun to try and think of a homebrew faction but I do not know enough metal

[pulsar lodge]

Carcass is so kickass

like so so kickass

[tired bolt]

carcass has it in the recommended tracks i think

[pulsar lodge]

Tacticool skeletons

[night hedge]

my weaksauce taste prevents me from doing soundtrack /j

[umbral cipher]

For my homebrew's soundtrack I just dug up some rock that matched the vibes, I know jack all about metal

[lapis bone]

Need a faction who has Death Grips on their soundtrack

I feel like No Love would hit pretty good for Maleghast

[gloomy shell]

good memory

[pulsar lodge]

Cyber undead with terrible screamo edm soundtrack

[gloomy shell]

Eating Food and fighting Wizards is also on the playlist

[umbral cipher]

Soundtrack:
Korn - Kidnap The Sandy Claws
Arc System Works - Alone Infection
Heaven Pierce Her - Requiem

[night hedge]

nice

[pulsar lodge]

Math rock is like metal for a different slice of nerds

Math rock faction

[night hedge]

v1 would love anzenmezzeron

[crisp night]

blood is fuel

and anzenmezzeron literally cannot run out

[gloomy shell]

a bunch of Math Wizards

[crisp night]

i know what the soundtrack for my faction is gonna be even if the faction hasn't had any work done on it lol

[primal nest]

Lol

[gloomy shell]

using the golden ratio and weird calculations to raise the dead

would be interested in seeing a faction that breaks a core assumption would look like

They don't necromance at all, or the necromancer is all of the black mass

[pulsar lodge]

I was thinking of home brewing a faction inspired by scavengers that are like necromancer druids

so all the units are animal demons like hyena and vultures

Most Noble Company of Scavengers & Carrionites

[gloomy shell]

Genis Necrotica

[silent sluice]

Voltron faction

[gloomy shell]

Oh god convoluted faction that combines into a class up

[night hedge]

oh devil impact doesn't actually say when you use it

i'd assume own turn but any turn would be funny

'so i take my turn with EGI-'
'WRONG, Devil Impact'

[glacial junco]

lol

[silent sluice]

There's no trigger so it's probably Own turn, at most own or allied turn

[umbral cipher]

I was also cursed with ideas for a second house of ghouls crammed full of tesla coils whose mechanic is about building up and spending Voltage, which I only have the soundtrack for

Dancefloor Is Lava - Why Oh You Are LOVE
Danny Baranowsky - Portabellohead
CRX - On Edge

[night hedge]

removing vitality as an option for hatch on velgarri cause i wanna have units have carapace armour

[thick sphinx]

I think Devil Impact is literally "at any point you want". Cost is high enough

Six soul + it almost certainly kills your necro (reminder that devil damage stops Blood Rage from working)

[night hedge]

i agree there, it's super high risk

unless you're at above 6 health it'll end your game

[lapis bone]

Ooo that would be fun, could have the Necromancer shift into different forms with Soul

[thick sphinx]

Which, you ain't. 3+ DEF and no armor or vitality tokens

[rugged cloud]

Here is a faction idea I have been playing with, posted it on another server but wanted to show y’all

[thick sphinx]

So the only time you can use Devil Impact is against the last enemy necro standing

[night hedge]

admittedly if you proc nerve twitch with it you'll be around for a while

[mental herald]

Yo, looking sick! Is this in Blender?

[night hedge]

don't discount using it out of spite

[thick sphinx]

Oh, hey, I've been stewing on something similar for my own

[granite karma]

microsoft 3d builder, using a heroforge mini and a bunch of random bones I found on cults3d

[crisp night]

Everhood soundtrack 💪

[mental herald]

Neat! It's coming along nicely

[rugged cloud]

Oh?

[thick sphinx]

Heh, fair. Mostly I just wish it didn't turn off Blood Rage

[granite karma]

thinking about building an EGIS weapon but I have no clue where to start

[night hedge]

i think it'd detract from it if it wasn't super risky

it's very flavourful

[thick sphinx]

Historians rather than archeologists, and the "special terrain" bit rhymes too

[thick sphinx]

I mean, Blood Rage still has you dying on a graze.

[keen ravine]

Igorri but with a city pop soundtrack 🤔

[rugged cloud]

The idea here is like…. Eldritch dinosaur fossils creeping across the map in some choking miasma

[thick sphinx]

I was looking at a spreading ocean of ink

[night hedge]

oooo 6 soul summon a massive dinosaur for a turn, or have it be so big it's a terrain effect

[umbral cipher]

THE BEAST AWAKENS

[rugged cloud]

Ooooo yeah that could be cool

[gray crystal]

That's a really neat idea. I like the sort of turtle play style it would incentivize

[rugged cloud]

Summon a 3x3 fucking thing

[rugged cloud]

Yeah

Though inherently its kinda weak against abhorrers which might be a worry

[cinder isle]

[glacial junco]

Don't forget, Devil Impact is just another tool for point denial

[rich scarab]

pretty cool, very weak to push and pull

[night hedge]

3x3 Foot

the shadow of a shadow of a world eater

[rugged cloud]

Ooooo

[primal nest]

I see gargamox buffs

I rise

[night hedge]

we making it out of the filth devil contract with this one

[primal nest]

Still a shame that holy body just dumpsters 4 scum lol

But it is what it is

[twilit atlas]

Wait how does holy body dumpster 4 scum?

[rich scarab]

Scum have 1 health each so they're really easy for a holy body to kill

it's why they should also be put next to things which benefit from Plague not just enemies

[arctic solar]

like not in one round, but indignation can swat three scum at once

(holy body is being changed to 4 vit tokens instead of 6, hence '4 scum')

[twilit atlas]

Oh yeah indignation is vile against scum

[cinder isle]

oh, holy body's getting nerfed?

was it that good?

[umbral cipher]

Mhm

[silent sluice]

It seems weird to me that Devil Impact does devil damage to the user, thus negating Blood Rage. The anti-synergy seems like a strange choice

[vague elbow]

first necro that dies loses, so just die second forehead

[silent sluice]

You can still body block against it tho right?

[arctic solar]

mixed honestly
this is accompanying a rule change where armor can now 'protect' vit tokens

[cinder isle]

ahh

[arctic solar]

I think it's sorta like S.T.G where you can kinda hold it up to your opponent's head and dare them to step out of body block

[cinder isle]

so it's getting a cut because vit tokens can no longer get chumped/wasted?

[gloomy shell]

I need to actually play a session of Maleghast at some point

[arctic solar]

since it was essentially the preeminent example of vitality and armor at the same time, yeah

[crisp night]

Honestly my strategy (as dead souls) was just to forcibly isolate the exorcist from the HB
Which I'll have to do even more now with the rule changing on vit and armor

Deadsouls doesn't really have many ways to deal big chunk damage besides some necro weapons so I'd just be banging my head against the super armor wall

[arctic solar]

yeahhh
I'm sorta mixed on it too

[twilit atlas]

Yeah abhorrors seem like a really rough match up with the lower damage factions

[arctic solar]

but will want to see how it plays in practice

[crisp night]

Plague bypasses armor

But I'm assuming it still has to go through vit

[silent sluice]

afaik yeah

[cinder isle]

i don't think so?

[twilit atlas]

so garg at least has that but one damage/round that vitality can block isn’t much

[crisp night]

Mox might be pretty good against abhorrer I just haven't seen people talk about that matchup yet

[cinder isle]

it says it can't be reduced or ignored in any way

[crisp night]

Yeah

[cinder isle]

(by tokens or armor)

[crisp night]

Oh really

[cinder isle]

which i can't imagine excludes vit tokens

[twilit atlas]

Oh never mind that solid then

[crisp night]

Epic gargamox win

[twilit atlas]

Rats stay winning

[silent sluice]

oh I was thinking of something else

[cinder isle]

i think this pretty confidently ignores vit

[crisp night]

Yeah I think for future matches against AB as DS I'm just going to try and keep the holy body locked away from its allies
I'll still have to deal with fucking bolides but at the very least I should be able to get it away from the necro

Kidnap is such a stupid and funny ability

[mental herald]

Crab Shell body, Crow face, Horse legs, Tank Barrels, lol.

[silent sluice]

confusing it with hazards

[crisp night]

Though if I can stack weakness on the HB then maybe a good old lathean devil whip can put in some work

How much actual health does an HB have

I can't check the PDF atm

[tired bolt]

3

[crisp night]

Okay checks out

[azure nebula]

Is there any rulings for Tyrants getting on elevation that is smaller than 2x2? Can they just not? Are they off/on

[night hedge]

might work the same as thorn forest, in which case only one space of overlap is enough

[glacial junco]

Its 6 soul to use wouldn't you just not have any after?

iirc 6 is the max soul your gauge can have

[night hedge]

yep

[glacial junco]

yeah devil impact feels less like a tool to use with other abilities and more of a big ender button

[night hedge]

S.T.G is balanced against it via needing headshot

[glacial junco]

I AM DONE AND SO ARE YOU

[languid lotus]

and also needing 6 soul

[thick sphinx]

Blood Rage doesn't take soul; it's Gorgegrinder's core trait

"Too angry to die"*

*Excepting being absorbed and eating devil damage

[glacial junco]

Ah i got it and BLOOD BOIL confused

How foolish of me

[rugged cloud]

Cryptik

A decentralized organization of warrior-scholars, black theologians and necromantic explorers who delve into the deepest buried crevices of Anzenmezzeron looking for any clues that could lead them to taking the throne. They performed the black sacrament with Secrets Devil in order to assist in this search. The undead they martial are old, older than dirt, older than most devils, older than the crumbling ruins most people already assumed were ancient. Cryptik excavates these monsters from catacombs so deep beneath the city the sun never touches them where dark magic drains from the inhabited parts of the city and becomes a thick miasma that allows these fell monsters to sustain themselves. However, when Cryptiks quests bring them nearer to the surface they are forced to take a little slice of “home” with them, lest their Black Mass decay to nothing.

[night hedge]

devil damage ignores blood boil anyways

[glacial junco]

This i understand.

Thats why was replying that it would be a Nonbo

noncombo

[primal nest]

Also important note here. It doesn’t have the same clause that Doom has where you can remove it with token clear

[night hedge]

[cinder isle]

huh, can it not?

i kind of assumed the doom part was reminder text

and because this is a token, you can still clear it

but that'd make it even stronger

[gentle leaf]

i assumed the text for Doom was because it had an additional, non-standard way to remove it
so it had to specify "you can do this the normal way, or the non-standard way"

[cinder isle]

yeah, that too

[gentle leaf]

whereas plague is Just A Token

[primal nest]

I think mea culpa also specifies negative tokens

[primal nest]

Also true

I def want word of Tom on it

[lethal trench]

Pretty sure Plague is a negative token

[cinder isle]

be a bit wack if it weren't yeah

[silent sluice]

I guess it doesn't have the same text as Berserk

but yeah would be weird if it doesn't count as negative or positive

[primal nest]

Cries in double penitents 😔

[short sky]

has it been discussed that you can very easily end up with nothing to do with an Exorcist? just had to skip a turn due to there not being any play😞

[primal nest]

I just want to actually do damage to abhorrers

[rugged cloud]

An easy help with this is the shuriken

[short sky]

i know, but the fact that you can pick options that give you nothing to do is something that should be noted

like I get why the picks I made were bad, but the fact this situation has happened is notable ig?

[rich scarab]

games shouldnt have trap options

[short sky]

mhmm

im running Redempta + Rez vs CARCASS for context

[patent steeple]

i dont think this is a trap option?

[short sky]

my opponent has not put out any debuffs so i can't clense, and the frontline having armor means that I cannot attack anything without great risk to myself

[rich scarab]

You should be standing next to someone anyway because you want to maximise the use of holy vessal

[short sky]

the exorcist in this situation has not felt like a unit whatsoever

[rich scarab]

So you could move up to attack and just pass attacks onto your lil guys

[short sky]

I have. I have not rolled Miracle once

[rich scarab]

oof

[short sky]

moving up to attack and putting the necro in danger feels like a bad play.

[rich scarab]

The necro's only in danger when it's isolated

and Health is a recource

[keen ravine]

Your necromancer's always going to be in danger yeah

[rich scarab]

the only HP that matters is the final one

[patent steeple]

isnt warlord a biggy melee necro?

and warlord is pretty strong

[umbral cipher]

Warlord goes in and wrecks shit yeah

[keen ravine]

I don't think redempta's a bad pick against carcass either with how much vulnerable they distribute

[short sky]

my opponent has not put out any debuffs this entire game

[languid lotus]

yeah warlord does melee

[short sky]

also

just looking at the necro's basic options

Exorcist is the ONLY one that has a useless act ability against armor

[keen ravine]

You shouldn't be overly worried about putting exorcist into a fight, throw some vit tokens on there and it's a pretty decent bruiser

[short sky]

all the others do something

[rich scarab]

it has gain vit, and movement

[short sky]

how can i throw out VIT tokens when the opponent does not put out debuffs

[rich scarab]

and on turn 5+ it turns into a slaughterblade

[keen ravine]

Vit tokens are buffs to yourself

[short sky]

i'll give you the VIT, but the movement feels like nothing

[patent steeple]

u can also give the exorcist miracle with the antipriest

[keen ravine]

I'm kinda hype for the Corpse Violet Stance change

Getting armor on top of your vit tokens sounds crazy good

[night hedge]

no they always have starmetal godsword which turn 5+ is gonna p much ignore it, although most of the game its eh

[rich scarab]

Winter Rose makes you very killy in the late game

[short sky]

what do you do for the other 66% of the match

[hexed horizon]

buff your dudes

[patent steeple]

objective: survive

[short sky]

i cannot do that as previously stated the enemy has not put out any debuffs

[rich scarab]

you 'Objective: SURVIVE' and spread out vit tokens

Which you an gain on even turns by attacking

[night hedge]

all of your other weapon choices can get around armour, or you have a support act

[rich scarab]

Even if you don't do damage you still get the vit

[umbral cipher]

Hmm. Stumped for what the hell I want this homebrew necromancer to uhhh. do

[night hedge]

raise the dead

that'd be neat

[umbral cipher]

damn...

[short sky]

this only works half the time.

[night hedge]

i can't figure out most of my units but necromancer i'm fairly solid on their role

[mental herald]

Vibes wise or Mechanics wise?

[umbral cipher]

Mechanicswise

[night hedge]

cause they're the only non half wasp abombination in the roster

but a humble deliveryperson

[tiny fulcrum]

I'll be honest, a lot of this boils down to the inherent learning curve of a wargame - some options are inherently situational, and that's okay for the game as a whole but it sucks if you've picked into it for your first game

[night hedge]

do you want a damage dealer or a support, or a mix?

[umbral cipher]

Rickertock Ghoulwitches are necros who have turned themselves into scrap constructs for convenience and power

[night hedge]

maybe some mobility stuff? would be convenient for them

[rich scarab]

Add robot arms to people?

[night hedge]

a broom stick perhaps

[rich scarab]

Broom Boom Stick Stitch is a good shout

[night hedge]

broom stick that you can rev

[thick sphinx]

Aight, so, hear me out: You get multiple necros

[night hedge]

like a motor bike

[rich scarab]

Double barrelled broom

Fire both barells and fly twice as fast

[mental herald]

Maybe Riposte themed? Like a crew of lads that specifically punishes dudes that hit/miss them, but don't do crazy amounts on their turn...

Kinda like a brace build lol

[thick sphinx]

I am, to be clear, serious. You get 2/3 weaker models, all of which need to die for your necro to die. They have the collapse-into-thralls mechanic, and can swap places with each other

[umbral cipher]

I have the units pretty figured out and in a spot I'm happy with

[umbral cipher]

Hrmm. Fun idea but too much overhead and fucking with the game's base assumptions for my tastes

[thick sphinx]

Fair

[elfin ermine]

Set up based, or ways to create and mess with areas?

themed around traps or building

making adverse terrain, changing elevation, etc

or damage thats delayed because it has to prime first

[umbral cipher]

I'll probably have Ghoulwitches focus on power-backlining, keeping themselves alive as they capitalize on the setup their units do

[serene sundial]

huehuehue

[tired bolt]

holey moley

[elfin ermine]

I'm kinda excited to see how nuts Homunculus gets with the new vitality + armor upgrade

you can make a literal beefy boy

[primal nest]

Ok so mox vs abhorrers
What’s the best way to stick damage on the necromancy contrarians that isn’t just trap spam?

[prime portal]

Maleghast stocks be booming

[serene sundial]

Available on workshop. I'll redo the screenshots later.

[keen ravine]

What's the new antipriest HP value

[umbral cipher]

4

2 was a typo

[keen ravine]

nice

[night hedge]

Velgarii

The price for this power is steep and horrifying, service in the ruthless Package and Post Company of Anzenmezzeron, delivering post and parcels across the city of cities, and to lands beyond. The mortality rate is high in the service, often a rival or witch hunters will order a package solely to ambush and kill the necromancer carrying it, with most Velgarii initiates dying within the first few deliveries, but those who survive past the initial skirmishes quickly become some of the most seasoned veterans in the city, moving in perfect coordination with their vespiary, dealing swift death and swifter deliveries.```

[serene sundial]

There was an update?

[tired bolt]

if they gang up around their holy body for the protection you can hit them with the funniest Pustulate

[night hedge]

will be, we got informed of what the changes will be

[umbral cipher]

There will be, later today or tomorrow

[languid lotus]

i have a horrible idea: homebrew faction where the units and necro are all assembled into a mech. effectively one unit that takes a number of turns

[serene sundial]

ooo

[prime portal]

Oh no

capitalism

[night hedge]

what else would the parasite devil be doing?

[umbral cipher]

lone helpless skeletons 😔

[elfin ermine]

wasp amazon

creative

[primal nest]

How so? It requires a free space and the plague is an effect chance

[autumn gale]

Do necromancers come back in the bloodgrinder scenario or pools map? Or does the loss rule supercede.

[primal nest]

Yes

They do

[autumn gale]

Neat

[tired bolt]

there's gonna be a gap somewhre

perfect formation cannot be maintained

[primal nest]

You get five points for killing a necro

[primal nest]

necro-
corpse violet
starmetal shuriken
grace

penitent
penitent
antipriest
zealot
holy body```

This is what I’m dealing with here

[granite turret]

lol, lmao

[primal nest]

Oh

Look I’m sorry moIIs I need the strats in case this ever comes up again

[granite turret]

sorry dude i was coming in here to ask about an interaction LMAO

nah nah that game was bad beats as fuck i get it

was comin' in to ask whether the obliterate in condemn!upgraded vizigheist is before or after the doomed unit damage

[lethal trench]

before I would assume

[night hedge]

thanky thanky

[night hedge]

😔

[primal nest]

Yeah on second glace. I probably should have just stalled a bit and dunked on your zealot. Most of you scary dmg is in that guy. Oh well, first game foibles

[granite turret]

see, because i would presume after

[granite turret]

true trueeee

idk enough be all "this'd how it'd play out" but ain't stalling againt abhorrers kinda' a bad idea?

all the lategame shit

[umbral cipher]

Abhorrors do really want to stall you out, that's true

So they can then wreck shit

[primal nest]

Maybe? But if I get rid of your main dmg I can play a bit more aggressive with my dudes

[umbral cipher]

Also true

[primal nest]

And if your penitents are just mea culpa ing all my plague away, they aren’t doing any damage to me

[granite turret]

trueee

[primal nest]

Like I stick a suppurate on one of them and then my leechs go to town

[umbral cipher]

also, I got a full unit list for rickertock now (don't worry about the necromancer they will probably exist later when my brain rejuices)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kIP4X29w1Lu7eCSQck5vYeLKplaQ_Gv3ruhxqdB_4d4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[primal nest]

It’s also probably a lot fairer with the new changes

Anti priest stilly annoying in that regard tho

Oh wait cleansing prayer is an upgrade

Nevermind then

[keen ravine]

I love antipriest so much

[night hedge]

this is a lot of soul generation

[keen ravine]

the 2+ miracle roll ability is so funny

[umbral cipher]

No, you only get Soul the first time something dies

[night hedge]

oh so the new soultickers don’t count?

[umbral cipher]

Yep

[night hedge]

may be worth having that clarified in there

just a ‘these units don’t generate soul’ on the ghoul core rules

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, easy fix

(You also don't get Soul when something is Obliterated)

[night hedge]

yeh

[granite turret]

so, on this. there's no indication of where the text goes in malice upgrades, so there's nothing past presuming intent. i'm presuming the intention was to allow this to pop 2 health units, like thralls.

lmk if any of this changes.

[umbral cipher]

o7

ah shit I gotta figure out unit upgrades I Forgot

later though my brain's dead

[crisp night]

i gotta start on my homebrew now

somehow

[granite turret]

don't burn ya'self out on it

[umbral cipher]

I know haha

I'm taking my break for the day

[granite turret]

gotta' give your brain time nough to germinate that shit, yeah

[undone kestrel]

Carcass sculpting progressing. Gunwights are both gonna get the CARCASS strip on the back because I am really loving how it looks on the riot armor

[thick sphinx]

This is pretty fucking neat. Only note I have its that the initiates who die just get back up six days later, no?

[granite turret]

this feels like a reaction image, to me

"come at me bro"

"me and my noodle arms finna whip you"

[thick sphinx]

"I swear, the fish was this big"

[brazen pine]

just wanna share the jank lil setup i put together for my homies on owlbear rodeo :> basically all the icons were just grabbed from https://game-icons.net/, with colored icons for faction specific or faction placed stuff! The circles are to denote which units have acted that round, and rude mario keeps track of the round

[brazen pine]

me about to hug my homie

[undone kestrel]

Yeah, armatures look silly prior to posing.

[night hedge]

true but they failed to deliver the package and that’s worse than death

i should clarify tho

[short sky]

is scavenge ammo an ACT?

[crisp night]

doesn't seem to be

[granite turret]

stanced up, hard as fuck, hugging the homie. how i'm tryna' BE

[opaque socket]

Yeah I believe Scavenge Ammo is just meant to be a thing you do

no need for an act

its fucked up

but its good

[arctic solar]

gonna slurp up all the corpses

[rancid girder]

oh howdy

I was gonna ask if there were plans to run games

[arctic solar]

there's a pingable role now

[arctic solar]

oooh
How do you track tokens? Not that familiar with Owlbear and it was something I couldn't work out just by poking around

[crisp night]

i think i'm gonna sacrifice tyrants for my homebrew. as much as i love my big lynchpin units it doesn't quite fit the faction theme of an encroaching legion

but maybe i'll change my mind

[short sky]

finished up the first game a bit ago, was really fun but definitely not without pain points.

• Holy Body went down really fast, but i think that's just due to Carcass's easy access to strength and +D. seems like it'd be a pain vs other stuff.

• My Exorcist (Redempta, Resurrection) had multiple turns where it felt very low impact. Would've been fine with other optionals, but the fact that i literally had to skip a turn due to not wanting to reposition and not having anything to do is notable.

• I felt like i misplayed a good amount but ultimately won due to the sheer absurd numbers Abhorrorers puts out when the round count strikes 5, plus some luck with Miracle (which only procced once, on the literal game-winner where it let my Inquis survive for another body-block.) Feels intentional.

• Old Maggie 6x8 felt really really cramped. Especially with two Tyrants.

[lapis bone]

Wah, why did it eat the start

Thought of something Maleghast is missing: Mushroom zombies

Mycelites
Even in a city of death, life finds a way to take root. The Circle of the Mycelites are the emissaries of the city's fungal ecology, humble servants and willing hosts of their mushroom masters. These necro-druids draw their power from the Lord-Of-Ten-Thousand-Scions, a giant mushroom that grows from the corpse of a devil. To the Mycelites, it is their holy mission to turn the entirety of Anzenmezzeron into a mushroom colony, forever nourished by an endless supply of decaying flesh.

[thick sphinx]

Making a pact with something growing out of the corpse of a devil is damn cool

[arctic solar]

@brazen pine if you get a chance I'd like to learn your setup for tokens/extensions

[crisp night]

question; is naming my cyborg faction the Neuromancers too on the nose or just on the nose enough

[silent sluice]

What was the reason for playing on a 6x8? Just to experiment? Also, does +D really make a difference against the Holy Body? It only has 2+ df anyways.

[craggy plover]

so... do thralls also get upgraded 2-for-1?

[crisp night]

yes

[thick sphinx]

I think you want more metal

[crisp night]

true

[thick sphinx]

Upgrading a unit upgrades every instance of that unit

[crisp night]

this goes for any unit; say you have three scions, if you upgrade one scion the upgrade applies to all of them

yeah

[craggy plover]

oh wow i hadn't realised

[lapis bone]

Thanks!! I think it adds the extra spice to the faction. And hey, who says devils can't die?

[short sky]

6x8 is one of the maps in the book.

[thick sphinx]

I wonder if it comes back in six days as well?

[lapis bone]

It's a good question! If something is dead but has mushrooms growing out of it, would it come back?

[silent sluice]

I feel like that might be a mistake

[vague elbow]

he essentially said that he was just vibing when making the maps

not really thinking about their size

[short sky]

all the maps in the book at 6x8. actually.

[mystic lark]

I know that when you deal damage you can't opt out of spending the Strength token, but if you damage multiple units with a line or splash attack can you pick which instance gets the +1 damage?

[silent sluice]

that must be unintentional

[tacit cedar]

setup says 6x6 to 10x10 lol

[short sky]

this too

just assumed it was intended

[tacit cedar]

it is cramped but I think that's very intentional

[silent sluice]

it clearly says the map size should be determined by game mode

[arctic solar]

I think 'here's how this smaller map played' is good testing

and 8x6 seems reasonable for 1v1

[silent sluice]

well apparently not according to Fio

[lapis bone]

I'm imagining the Mycelites being pretty tough and growing mushrooms out of corpses, getting bonuses for being near them.

[short estuary]

The special scenario maps are non standard dimensions for some reason

[silent sluice]

like, he drew the maps square lol

but the grid isn't square

[tacit cedar]

...nor are the maps

[short estuary]

When I've played I've just adjusted them up to the right size lol

[short sky]

i thought about doing that

but decided that to go with the book instead

mistake on my part i think, it was very very crowded

[brazen pine]

Its not ideal, but what I wound up doing was under "attachments" i added 6 images to represent the basic tokens, plus a few more for some of the house-specific ones.

Then, I gave each "set" a unique position when attached to tokens, so "Vulnerability" and "Vitality" go in the top left, "Strength" and "Weak" go just beneath that (like 600 units lower), and Speed and Slow are down one more.

If a unit has more than one token, I use the little text box to add a number on top of the token

These break somewhat on 2x2 units, but are relatively easy to fix by dragging around.

It all works, its not as easy as I wish it was, but it gets the job done.
I tried using some of Owlbear's extensions, but the conditions extension kept breaking.
I'm also more of a Foundry guy and haven't used Owlbear before, so theres probably simpler ways to do it, but this is what I came up with!

[brazen pine]

If I had advice, I'd probably consolidate the conditions into 3 sets (speed/slow, vitality/vulnerability, strength/weak) each represented by the same icon, and just give them a positive or negative value (so, for vital/vuln, I'd say use like a heart. Negative numbers means vulnerability, 0 means none, and positives mean vitality) which would let you worry less about dragging tokens on and off your units

[mystic lark]

I just figured that the map thing was an error, or they were meant to be like an example that you didn't have to copy 1:1

Because immediately before they tell you it's 6x6, 8x8, or 10x10 for map sizes.

[languid lotus]

how good are "one of each unit" comps for each of the houses?

[short sky]

i mean going by those, 6x8 doesn't sound terribly out of place.

6x6 would probably feel awful ngl.

[tacit cedar]

I feel like occam's razor here is that 6x8 is fine and not that the only map examples in the book are wrong

[languid lotus]

i figure the map sizes are suggestions and can be tweaked

[brazen pine]

all rules are suggestions smh (joke) (litany of the homebrewer)

[tacit cedar]

like the setup section never claims to be an exhaustive list, just a default with upper and lower bounds

and the scenario section is also clearly non exhaustive because they don't even mention 6x6 maps

[brazen pine]

"heres some cool ideas. anyway go nuts"

[silent sluice]

My reason for thinking that is because the grid isn't square lol

[arctic solar]

Thank you!

[crisp night]

i'm stuck between steelshredders or rustmongers for a name. i feel like steelshredder reads too much like a goregrinder offshoot though

i wanted to make up a name on its own rather than just put two words together like deadsouls or goregrinders but i cannot for the life of me think of a good one

[lapis bone]

I think Rustmongers is good, if this is the cyborg-style House you're talking about. Has the kinda grimy feel to it

[crisp night]

the idea i have is that they make their money by mining wherever they can find veins of ore in anzenmezzron (which i'm going to assume, judging by how fucked up and multilayered and how each city is on top of another, can be kind of anywhere), and they sell all of the valuable ores and crystals and keep all of the other materials to create modifications and bodies for their soldiers

[serene sundial]

First win

[candid monolith]

639 For The Bearer Of The Black Mark Shall Ride Eternal as a black mass name, put an antichrist-flavored spin on the K6BD angel naming scheme. Y/N?

[crisp night]

they don't actually have "magic", but they have technology so advanced that it seems like magic due to their pact with the Foresight Devil (he's literally just selling them advanced weapons and technology schematics from a time that has yet to come)

[crisp night]

very much yes

[crisp night]

congrats! how close was it

or did you sweep them

[serene sundial]

I swept Carcass.

[primal flame]

Preparing for combat today. Gargamox v Igorri

[serene sundial]

I managed to stack a lot of vitality and strenght on my guys and then used the buffs on inquisitor and zealot to basically one shot most stuff.

[crisp night]

swag abhorrer moment

[crisp night]

good luck to you! which faction are you fielding

[serene sundial]

I love it when it all comes together.

Shame I didn't get to use the 3dmg always hitting sword *again*.

[elfin ermine]

I named my Mass BLACK LAMB TRIBUNAL and thought it went real hard until we added soul trackers and I saw it turned into BLT

sandwich priests

[candid monolith]

Amazing

[primal flame]

Igorri
Spite malice level so no upgrades

Thinking x4 Stitches, x1 Chop Doc, x1 Lycan, and x1 Homunculus

[crisp night]

stitches good

[serene sundial]

hell yeah

[candid monolith]

Now you know your necromancer's day job

[serene sundial]

Igorri get stitches

[crisp night]

i love that lore detail

meeting a hardcore deadsouls necromancer working at a help desk

[languid lotus]

imagine the most black-metal motherfucker you've ever seen is selling you zombie insurance

[crisp night]

exactly

carcass operator with enough guns to outfit an army flipping hamburgers

[serene sundial]

Gotta afford all these corpses somehow.

[crisp night]

they cook the burgers with a flamethrower

[languid lotus]

goregrinder who uses her heat output to cook food

like that image of the edgerunners guy with the doner

[serene sundial]

lmao

[languid lotus]

also consider: carcass operator having gunwights flip burgers

[serene sundial]

burger goblins

[crisp night]

ammo goblins spit condiments

[languid lotus]

delivery painwheel

[crisp night]

this is the worldbuilding tom intended

[tired bolt]

i think it'd be funnier if they had jobs completely opposite to their combat function

[patent steeple]

anyone got the link for toms changelog for the update?

[tired bolt]

it's not done yet but he started talking about it here #1164643959721693184 message

[languid lotus]

deadsouls restaurant named MÖRK BURG, a bound devil teleports behind you with your order

[crisp night]

alright this is the best one

this is a multilayered joke

i applaud it

[languid lotus]

omnipresent deliveryentities mean no time at all to do said delivery

[crisp night]

if you don't tip the delivery chosen they Kidnap you through your front door until you pay them

[patent steeple]

thanks!

[tired bolt]

[patent steeple]

exorcist stance change looks hella gewd

[candid monolith]

we un-nerf the wall strat for bad customers

[crisp night]

deadsouls nerf...

i didnt even see

damn it's HEFTY too but that's okay

they'll still be good

only now i'm not sure if i want to run banshee

i might literally just do three chosen, a BD, and some sacrifices

actually no banshee still has the ability to make a wall

the upgrade is just worse

[hexed coral]

Oh I think your plan is maybe the superior option now

I might ditch the banshee and go for the gheist and chosen/bd route

[crisp night]

also especially given the new ruling on vitality

you now need to punch through armor to then take off a vit token and gheist is the only DS unit with more than 1 damage on a single attack

i guess banshee does...

hm.

[hexed coral]

I mean

it's still useful?

But less so

[crisp night]

i think banshee is still perfectly viable BUT it does damage to walls that it shoots doesnt it

to buff bale scream the line has to go through a wall

[quasi bridge]

I think chosen not being able to go through walls anymore is gonna hurt them a lot

[hexed coral]

^

So we can't keep the walls yeah

[crisp night]

yes it is

a lot

yeah no banshee then

we have less walls now and i dont want to blow up the ones i have

im sure banshees are still good but not with the way i want to play deadsouls

damn things are gonna be much harder now

but i shouldnt complain

abhorrers also got some nerfs

and deadsouls did get some good stuff

kidnap being a curse means it won't work on curseproof units but those are rare

mostly it means i dont have to roll for it

[serene sundial]

Abhorrers got almost everything nerfed. Rightfully so.

[crisp night]

they did get some cool stuff

[hexed coral]

Which is nice, usefully so

Because I don’t like having to roll for that either

[crisp night]

what else did they make a curse

oh twist sinews

Good

[hexed coral]

Oh sweet!

[crisp night]

my one problem with adverse terrain focus on DS is that it still fucks with literally every deadsouls unit's efficacy aside from uhhh

chosen

at least they still have free movement next to walls

but hey it just means i need to think harder about where i put shit

maybe i'll try gargamox instead

they're the ones i want to heresy with

and they got some good qol

[hexed coral]

Oh Gargamox with Deadsouls is a nasty combo imo

Because you know

[crisp night]

exactly

[hexed coral]

Walls and poison means

Slow slow death

[crisp night]

my other idea might be gargamox and carcass, PURELY because i want to combine the trash punk aesthetic with tactical bone gear

but also because i feel like mox area lockout might help carcass units to hold their ground and mow shit down

[hexed coral]

Oh true true

[serene sundial]

A lot of people are heresying with gargamox.

[crisp night]

mox is just so versatile

DoT and AoE is good in a lot of scenarios

[serene sundial]

Yeah!

[crisp night]

mox and igorri are both very versatile

[slow ferry]

trying a crazy C.A.R.C.A.S.S. strat tonight

behold

The Bone Wall strat

[crisp night]

also i have what might be a dumb question about barrelform's cursemark; the enemy can only be 4 away, no more, no less?

it just says range 4

[slow ferry]

could be a typo??

[silent sluice]

that means range 1-4

[crisp night]

oh ok

[slow ferry]

^

[crisp night]

[slow ferry]

thank u mighty ffzdf

[languid lotus]

ah, the skeleton war

[slow ferry]

LMAO

naming the strat that

[crisp night]

im gonna try mox for my next game

[slow ferry]

good luck thud... 🫡

[crisp night]

i want to wait until the nerf is officially out for deadsouls; i don't want to play them in their current version yet

i dont want to get used to the way they are now

[slow ferry]

mox seem rlly fun i just cant wrap my head around getting plague procs successfully

[arctic solar]

the greatest Scavenge Ammo pile in history

[crisp night]

stealing your fellow soldier's sidearm is faster than reloading

[slow ferry]

literally just took that upgrade

[crisp night]

swhat malice is it

[slow ferry]

we are going full Stalingrad

one wight carries gun

one wight carries ammo

[slow ferry]

loathing; this is mine and homies second game so we're just testing stuff out

[crisp night]

👍

[slow ferry]

dipping the proverbial metatarsal into the pool

[crisp night]

we should do a poll to see what the most and least played factions are in this channel

[slow ferry]

that would be good!!

[crisp night]

i feel like i've heard hte least people talk about igorri but even then there's still definitely igorri lovers here

[slow ferry]

I am one of them

even tho i havent played them yet

they were the first faction i laid eyes on and wanted to play very much

carcass are just my learn the rules faction, easy to grasp and get my head around

[crisp night]

i would play igorri if i didnt have two friends who are clearly going to hard main igorri

mirror matchup moment

[slow ferry]

LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/mirror-mode-twins-see-double-reflection-two-of-us-gif-17687667

[lapis bone]

I also love Igorri

Mad Scientists are Peak

[crisp night]

i'm gonna lean more heavily into my deadsouls assassin setup now though. was gonna change to a more wall-and-shoot style with a banshee but

with the upcoming changes

nah

i'll have the two chosen still focusing on putting up walls, build my necro around being a battlefield prowler with a big fuck off urgal blade or something

and keep the vizigheist

i am debating dropping the devil. the bound devil is really cool but so situational and now that walls are harder to come by i don't want to have him going around bashing them all down just so he can attack

[tiny fulcrum]

imo the bound devil is probably the hardest to use tyrant

its not straightforward at all

[crisp night]

he CAN be very helpful but the fact that he cannot do anything if there aren't isolated units/walls in spots he can step into

kind of blows

not to say he's useless

[arctic solar]

That's my personal vibe as well

[crisp night]

but

hard

situational

and i'm not sure if i want situational

the question is; third chosen or second vizigheist

[arctic solar]

now, Beckon Lamb is quite cool and 2 weakness tokens is good control + isolation

but, hard to use

[arctic solar]

I think vizigheist is really nice
hits groups with shriek, hits everyone else with Urgal Blade+ teleport