MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[lethal trench]

armored, does good damage and can inflict plague

[opaque socket]

the book says this on scions

[vague elbow]

pog thanks

[arctic solar]

penitent have super armor and do cleric stuff
stall the fuck out of the game

[opaque socket]

which is why they're hard to define broadly

[lethal trench]

being able to use plague as strength is also pretty strong, especially with the Infect on Rotblade

[umbral cipher]

Sure, though it's not very pretty
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kIP4X29w1Lu7eCSQck5vYeLKplaQ_Gv3ruhxqdB_4d4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[crisp night]

question which is pertinent for puppet master; does body block move the unit in front of the attack or does it just redirect

[lethal trench]

it just redirects

[umbral cipher]

Yeah haha

[crisp night]

excellent

[umbral cipher]

I'll figure out somethin

[arctic solar]

bad idea: scion that has an ability with effect: a nearby thrall steps 2
or something
make them field commanders

also I think it would be cool if the thrall could selfdestruct

[pale echo]

i'll make it worse

all nearby thralls

[umbral cipher]

I think something that relies on your roster being built a specific way doesn't quite work

[tiny fulcrum]

Carnifex isn't any tankier than other Goregrinder units though

[umbral cipher]

(Even if Rickertocks will inevitably have Thralls in play)

[arctic solar]

hmm

could make it nearby unit instead

[umbral cipher]

Maybe, yeah

I almost feel like there should be another faction tag or mechanic that ties into movement somehow

[arctic solar]

even worse idea
Overclock: Instead of MOVEing, this can ACT a second time. Destroy it afterwards.

[umbral cipher]

But having a focus on shifting around each other (as opposed to Goregrinders charging in enmasse individually) could be neat

[arctic solar]

so you slide them into position and then they go wild and explode

IMO the String Witch could have an attack that can push or pull on hit, play into movement control a bit harder
sorta 'you're ensnared in my web'-ish

[umbral cipher]

Soultickers also need something else for Skitter (I do want an upgrade that makes them hand out Vitality to one or two allies they pass by during it)

[arctic solar]

oooh

hmm

skitter feels like a trait almost, but you have a trait already

damage is classic honestly

[umbral cipher]

True, but I don't want to crowd in on what Warheads do too hard

[arctic solar]

hmm
Thoughts on just having the upgrade be "When you MOVE again..."?

[umbral cipher]

Hmm, perhaps

[arctic solar]

the other option that comes to mind would be picking up a token or two as a reward for skittering

[umbral cipher]

Could still have Skitter be a trait as well

[arctic solar]

or maybe pushing/pulling a nearby enemy when you skitter?

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, having it dole out an effect is a good call

I'll tinker with it

[arctic solar]

Rad

[umbral cipher]

Part of the trick is that you don't want to bother with buffing the tickers themselves because they're especially meant to be expendable

[arctic solar]

hmmm

honestly their trait is kinda insane for something that your units will all turn into

[umbral cipher]

I wanna strike a balance between keeping your non-thrall units alive for longer, and when they finally bite it, tactically or otherwise, they can go on to keep another unit alive even harder

[arctic solar]

just checking- the wording is 'turn into', meaning that even without the obliterate trait, they wouldn't provide SOUL again?

[umbral cipher]

Mhm

[arctic solar]

cool
I think you can ditch the corefusion trait then tbh

and swap it out for skitter if you want

[umbral cipher]

Hrmmm

[arctic solar]

I'm thinking about this partly from the perspective of 'what if you want regular thralls in your list'

but also, 2 vitality tokens and 1 strength is gigantic

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, true. Making the thralls valuable beyond just being powersource fodder is important

[arctic solar]

plus, gives room for another trait if you want instead

[umbral cipher]

But they can't be Incredible because you're guaranteed to get a shitload of em

[arctic solar]

now, second thesis: I think it would be rad as hell if thralls could Recycle themselves somehow

self destruct or whatever

[umbral cipher]

Hmm, yeah, take a cue from Ammo Goblin

I'll dig into that

Thankee

[arctic solar]

👍
I think the direction of the faction is pretty neat
Very 'endless undead horde' in a game about undead hordes

[crisp night]

sorry to butt in, it doesn't say this anywhere but i just want to make sure
is doom consumed at the end of round 4 or do doomed units stay doomed until they clear it themselves

[vague elbow]

strength affects all damage right?

[arctic solar]

stays on

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, any damage a unit deals

[crisp night]

Excellent

[vague elbow]

cool

[umbral cipher]

Retaliation is a cool one for it

[arctic solar]

it is devil damage, so necromancers are basically the only ones who can survive it

[umbral cipher]

speaking of, I really gotta be careful with their upgrades, because they'll always be relevant and thus likely always get taken

[arctic solar]

bypasses blood rage via obliteration, miracles, etc.

[arctic solar]

upgrade that lets adjacent units recycle them as an action to gain vit/are/spd tokens?

"spare parts" or smth

[umbral cipher]

spare parts is already a thing lmao
but yeah perhaps

[vague elbow]

point of confusion, for the goregrinder abilites that say "move as far as possible in a straight line" is that the units move or is that extra movement that is part of the action

[harsh gorge]

hey hey hey hey

drew my token

[arctic solar]

extra and part of the action

[harsh gorge]

https://fxtwitter.com/pixelcoffea/status/1720292113139830956?s=20

[vague elbow]

oh

that necromancer looks amazing

[patent steeple]

what a cutie

[harsh gorge]

lmaoooo

[languid lotus]

oh sick!

[harsh gorge]

thank you

[umbral cipher]

Oh SICK

Ah man I gotta ask you to do up my freaks sometime

Your token art slots into the style well

[harsh gorge]

omgggggg

dude
fuckin 5-10 bucks for a token

i can kick these out easy

also thank youuuuu

i tried my best to fit the style

[crisp night]

this is so sick

[patent steeple]

i also love the lore

🥹

[crisp night]

i may do the same and commission a token from you, especially since i also am running mainly deadsouls

and i can clearly see you hit it outta the fuckin park with the vibes on this

deadsouls is so funny to play

[umbral cipher]

SOULTICKER
Rickertock Thrall
MV 4 HP 2 DF 5+ ARM -
Traits: 
Skitter: When this unit MOVEs twice, it may pass through units and walls.
Thrall: 2 of these units are worth 1 unit slot. You may activate 2 at a time.
ACT Abilities:

Pins And Needles (Attack, Range 1-2)
On Hit: 1 Damage, (4+) 1 Vulnerable

Ghoulic Overclock (Self)
Unit MOVEs up to its speed, then Splash (self) 2 Curse Damage and is Obliterated.

@arctic solar hmmm

[crisp night]

it will never get less funny

[harsh gorge]

omg thank you

[patent steeple]

need to think of lore for my own blorbo now 🤔

[arctic solar]

ooh
this is definitely a spooky amount of damage

[umbral cipher]

Overclock is too good yeah

[primal nest]

would swell with corruption spend a strength token from the leech that uses it or the target 🤔

[umbral cipher]

I'll make it do 1 and Slow

[arctic solar]

oh I like that

[thick sphinx]

Target I assume

[crisp night]

yeah, target

leech is causing an effect to proc but the damage itself originates from the target’s burst

[arctic solar]

maybe also downgrade the obliterate to a self-slay, but lose the free move?
I like taking thralls for SOUL, and also I'd like to leave at least some corpses behind

the free move proccing Skitter also makes it pretty tough to play around

[primal nest]

looks at penitent and warlord

[umbral cipher]

Mmm... see, making it Not Obliterate itself opens to some shenanigans
And if you want the thralls for the soul, you can spend them to activate Recycles or just Pins N Needles bodyblockers

[primal nest]

Hehehehehehehe

[arctic solar]

True

[umbral cipher]

But true, being able to cross the map and instabomb anybody is a bit much

[arctic solar]

Maybe a small step

[umbral cipher]

Mmmm... I'll make it not obliterate and scrap the move

Maybe they can get a step for it as an upgrade or something

[arctic solar]

Makes sense

[cinder isle]

oh yeah, just double-checking, the "can deploy 12 thralls" thing is a flub, yeah?

should be 10?

[arctic solar]

yeah

[cinder isle]

👍

[raven yew]

just to be 100% clear about the game - this is a PVP game, right? you throw your guys against someone else's guys and see who wins?

[patent steeple]

yeah

[cinder isle]

yeah

[arctic solar]

yeah

[umbral cipher]

Mhm!

Tis a smallscale wargame

[patent steeple]

also to be clear, this isnt a traditional TTRPG

its a skirmish game

[cinder isle]

you can run that pvp with a GM as one P as well

in like a 2v2 scenario where a GM pilots one of the sides

but this is a wargame, which are mostly pvp crunchy violence

[umbral cipher]

also, I didn't thankee for this

I appreciate it

[halcyon wharf]

Yeah MM is more comparable to Kill Team or Malifaux than an rpg

[primal nest]

Im afraid the homebrew rot has gotten to me too 😔

[thick sphinx]

Very Orzhov

[primal nest]

What’s orzhov?

[umbral cipher]

another one falls

[arctic solar]

fuck I had an idea for a unit and now I can't stop thinking about it
Assassin-ish Horror that can treat Weakness tokens as Vulnerable tokens when attacking
I have no faction to put it in

[umbral cipher]

Also, interesting

I like the idea of something between 'ferryman collecting their toll' and 'skeleton mafia'

[thick sphinx]

Magic, The Gathering thing

[primal nest]

Funny you say that

[primal nest]

they are the time mafia. most of the their income comes from illegally smuggling lepers and the elderly into the city so that the live out their finals days there until the end of time. Eternal indebted to the mafia, The Kronodores slowly but routinely collects their payment from their victims by taking pieces of their soul, which they use to pay tithe to the Ferryman Devil so that their fates may be rewound, thread by thread on the spool

What I shared with my friends about it

[umbral cipher]

I figured that was in fact the vibes case haha

[arctic solar]

holy fuck

strong vibes

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, goes hard

[crisp night]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-peak-fiction-one-piece-gif-26139262

[charred glacier]

I didn't know this setting could go even harder but damn

[primal nest]

A lot of their visual motiffs involve ash (which is like sand in an hourglass when you squint really hard)

Also, in terms of gameplay instead of having strength and something else they have slow and speed instead and no magic damage, but with high enough soul they can make their attacks deal devil damage with bribe

[umbral cipher]

Rad

[primal nest]

The matador parries your moves by going back in time and stuffing it out

[umbral cipher]

I've already been thinking about a faction of electrically-wired ghouls that build up Voltage to spend on big plays but need to focus on the scarecrows first

[charred glacier]

love me the idea of scarecrows that are also tesla coils

[primal nest]

Ye das cool

[thick sphinx]

My mind's currently working through some kind of drowned dead flooding the board with Adverse terrain

[charred glacier]

On the note of adverse terrain, I absolutely love the way the grime and rot faction and the holy consecration faction have the same effect on the terrain

[umbral cipher]

Rickertoks are likely gonna be separate from bein electric, they're just very haunted and drawing hard on archetypal halloween and MTG's scarecrows

[charred glacier]

love that consecration is a form of blight

[arctic solar]

My vibes are weak
I'm currently struggling to put together "lawmakers who imprison people instead of killing them, because death doesn't stick"
The thrall unit would be called "The Jury"

[crisp night]

you’re all far too powerful

[primal nest]

I also had another faction idea of puppeted clowns bloated like balloons by rigor mortis that essentially work like reverse Igorri (keeping negative tokens stuck on the opponents)

[umbral cipher]

Some sort of self-made lawkeepers of the city?

[crisp night]

i have an idea for a homebrew but could never execute on it as fast as you all

[arctic solar]

Yeah!

[primal nest]

And sharing tokens with eachother

[primal nest]

I share your pain

[umbral cipher]

well tell us about it

[crisp night]

you say that as if you don’t already have a fantastic backstory and faction mechanics

all i got is an idea

but it’ll be the weekend soon

[umbral cipher]

ideas go hard

[crisp night]

so maybe i can work on that idea

[primal nest]

Hey mine started as an idea too

[crisp night]

i just have to figure out what the gameplay gimmick of a bunch of cyborgs would be

[arctic solar]

I have an idea and a unit name
We are very not far from each other

[charred glacier]

Eternal life means eternal punishment, that death never ends means that infernus is among us, and that the guilty may serve their everlasting vindication

thats some high tier nightmare fuel 10/10

[primal nest]

Originally the Kronodores where gonna be more of a terrain faction where their corpses provided cover and could rewind corpses to be active for one turn

But dead souls sorta ended up like that so I thought of something else

Lol

[crisp night]

i just have to figure out how to make cybernetics/robotic hive mind come across in game mechanics but i’ll have plenty of time tomorrow

what is being turned into a block of code and installed into a metal body but a different form of unlife

[primal nest]

Synced movement/actions?

[crisp night]

perhaps

maybe synced token gain

[patent steeple]

i actually really liked what one version of relicts did in icon

[crisp night]

i’ll think

[patent steeple]

life link

[arctic solar]

spending/sharing each other's tokens?

[patent steeple]

for a hive mind type mechanic

[crisp night]

idk what relicts are but i’ll look into that

[patent steeple]

theyre from icon

[crisp night]

stealing ideas >

[patent steeple]

life link was like from

the 1.4 previews

[arctic solar]

life link was 'everyone has shared health', right?

[patent steeple]

basically relicts would share an hp pool

yeah

[umbral cipher]

RICKERTOCK
An eclectic house headed by the Harrowed Coven, a shrouded group of witches, tinkers, and soul distillers who have gained enough collective power to be almost akin to a Devil when together, able to bestow power unto those who swear allegiance. Followers of the Coven research and practice the arts of Spirit-binding, imbuing spirits of the damned and necromantic power into otherwise ordinary vessels of metal or glass to shift them into unstable yet potent Ghoulcores, which in turn power various constructs of cloth, scrap, bone, and whatever else can be scrounged and roped together in the scrapyards and ruins of the city. Rickertock necromancers often turn their own souls into Ghoulcores, forsaking flesh and a stable body for the sake of being so much easier to take apart– and put back together again.

for the scarecrows

[arctic solar]

that honestly sounds bad in a skirmish game

[patent steeple]

ah well

[arctic solar]

NOT TO YOU DERP

[patent steeple]

🤷‍♂️

[umbral cipher]

I know haha

[arctic solar]

like I see it but I think target selection should matter somewhat

[crisp night]

i might also look at some necron stuff from 40k just because i like necrons and any amount of necron references i can cram into something i make is worth it

[patent steeple]

random stray idea i just had

[arctic solar]

fair

[primal nest]

Sharing hp and tokens could be fun if it’s unit indiscriminate

Like you can put it on foes too

Give em some indoctrination

[arctic solar]

horrifying

[patent steeple]

deterministic orders like the eyrie dynasties in root

[crisp night]

horrid! i’ll use that

[primal nest]

Turn that shit into the borg

[thick sphinx]

I can feel the fever setting in, I sat down to put names to this ocean-themed catastrophy of a faction and my first thought was "Reefer Madness"

[halcyon wharf]

HP manipulation can be interesting but making a squad “all or nothing” to kill is gonna be really hard to balance yeah

[umbral cipher]

Playstyle: Persistent debilitators

Soundtrack:
Korn - Kidnap The Sandy Claws
Guilty Gear Strive - Alone Infection
Heaven Pierce Her - Requiem

[thick sphinx]

That's definitely the name of an ability somewhere

[crisp night]

might have that be a Freak act or trait or something. it’s an interesting idea and i’ll try to make it work

[thick sphinx]

Oh, shit, I'd need a soundtrack too. And I can't just use Gojira

[crisp night]

HPH and guilty gear music 👍

[halcyon wharf]

Yeah I could see it for a specific defensive unit

[crisp night]

says who

[primal nest]

I think the share hp/token stuff could be a token you apply instead of everyone starting out like that

[thick sphinx]

I mean, I should probably use at least one other band

[crisp night]

yeah that’s what i’m thinking

Uplink

[patent steeple]

idk any metal music so making homebrew factions will be hard haha

[primal nest]

Slowly build up the hive over time

[arctic solar]

I know nothing about music so I'm not bothering with soundtracks unless someone suggests stuff (once the faction's made)

[umbral cipher]

Oh I don't know anything either

[thick sphinx]

Adverse Terrain and Elevation Matters... Fits the watery theme

[patent steeple]

thats a good one

[umbral cipher]

But I know what songs I listen to fit the vibes I want

[crisp night]

i’ve taken everyone’s suggestions and will bash them with a wrench tomorrow once i have time until they take shape

[umbral cipher]

Genre doesn't matter, but Does It Match

[thick sphinx]

Of course, being a watery faction, they need excellent drip

[languid lotus]

anyone got advice on what goregrinder necro upgrades are good?

[crisp night]

i think the hardest part for me is gonna be figuring out what unit type to ditch

that and the necro upgrades

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, I've been wrestling with that

[crisp night]

whatever unit you don’t have will heavily inform your gameplay

[thick sphinx]

ACT? Furious Roar seems excellent

[umbral cipher]

Furious Roar fucks, especially with Painwheels

[crisp night]

i know i’m keeping thralls at the very least

and i WANT to have a tyrant if i can

[languid lotus]

quench looks good

[thick sphinx]

I think quench is amazing vs some factions and a dead pick vs others

[umbral cipher]

With Rickertocks I'm dropping Hunters

[thick sphinx]

I'd definitely take it at higher Dark Power levels

[crisp night]

yknow what i’ll go the route of mox and drop tyrant. i feel like the legion gameplan lends itself better to smaller units

but maybe i’ll entirely backtrack this decision tomorrow

what i’ll do is come up with a unit for all six types and then decide which one seems the least useful or adheres to the faction’s gameplan the least faithfully

god i love doing homebrew.

[umbral cipher]

It's fun times

[languid lotus]

additional question: what methods of increasing die count are there?

[arctic solar]

elevation is the big one

after that there's a big gap

[patent steeple]

elevation and formation are the big ones

[umbral cipher]

Carcass's Formation, elevation, a few Abilities

[arctic solar]

it's not easy

[thick sphinx]

If you're asking after Pilebunker, I think consensus is that it's just not great

[umbral cipher]

You also find it in Igorri Spare Part's effects

[patent steeple]

thankfully unless ur playing carcass ur only really aiming to beat the df value

[crisp night]

i literally have an entirely finished lancer manufacturer i just have been waiting on the artwork for the mechs for about a year now (long story) and i’m too lazy to learn how to convert to lcps but i just have a lot of fun making random bullshit for games i like

[patent steeple]

and graze means u can still do dmg even if u miss

[languid lotus]

yeah it's pilebunker curiosity

[thick sphinx]

Your odds, assuming elevation doesn't factor:

[arctic solar]

I'm mid on Pilebunker
On 3+ def it's 44% to hit which isn't great but it's, like. Probably better average than Superheated Chainblade?

I haven't run the math on it really

[pale echo]

does Unstable Mutation on Stitch cause a self-destruct

[elfin ermine]

does STR or damage increasers like from Zealot work on grazes?

[pale echo]

no that wouldn't make any sense

[pale echo]

STR works on graze

[arctic solar]

Str yes, Zealot unclear

[pale echo]

I think Zealot would

It's not adding the effect to the next ability, it's an effect that modifies the next ability

[languid lotus]

lemme work out some probabilities

[pale echo]

now maybe that distinction doesn't make any sense, but

[umbral cipher]

If it's not an on-hit thing I'd say it applies to Grazes

Since Str does

I like that about this game, you're still always Doing something with your attacks

You are always dealing 1+ damage, hitting just means you might get some extra stuff

[crisp night]

except when armor

[umbral cipher]

Grazing with +1 Str still gets 1 damage past armour

[crisp night]

true

[umbral cipher]

which ends up being very important for goregrinders

[crisp night]

need plushies of every thrall

abhorrers don’t get shit

[primal nest]

I want jelly scum

[pale echo]

Self-targeting on Range X is fine yeah?

[thick sphinx]

Quick mafs, without any armor/vitality concerns and against a target with 3+ DEF, the Chainblade averages 1.67 damage and the Pilebunker averages 1.89

[primal nest]

That’s

A good question

[thick sphinx]

So it is slightly better on average

[crisp night]

i want a sacrifice plush where they’re actually nailed to a little wooden cross

[umbral cipher]

I still love how Goregrinders straight up are just Chainsawman

It's probably not even an intended comparison but like... that's what they are

[arctic solar]

I think it's actually 1.44 for the chainblade- the effect damage is conditional on hitting

[primal nest]

Guys lemme show you my cool new grinders homebrew

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-gif-27464616

[timber onyx]

Id not be surprised if that was an influence, toms mentioned liking the manga

[pale echo]

Looks like it RAW

[umbral cipher]

Oh, rad then

[thick sphinx]

I factored in grazes, so a 1 or 2 will still do one damage

(Also, to be clear, I'm just throwing things in AnyDice, I'm way to sick to be doing math right now)

Actually, wait, I see my screw up now. One sec...

[languid lotus]

according to my calculations, mean-damage-wise the pilebunker outperforms superheated chainblade in white-room against def<5. even at 5, they're matched, with superchain only working better at 6+

[arctic solar]

wait really?

that's very unexpected

[languid lotus]

yeah

[thick sphinx]

I get the same

[umbral cipher]

Math is weird

[patent steeple]

i mean, the goregrinders iconic looks just like the chainsaw devil

[primal nest]

I cannot comprehend dice math

I just press the funniest buttons

[patent steeple]

based

[arctic solar]

this one I'll need to math out at a later date myself I think

[halcyon wharf]

That sounds about right to me

[primal nest]

I will put suppurate on your tyrant

[halcyon wharf]

The chainblade isn't very reliable

[languid lotus]

modeling the superchain's damage value as the mean of the possibilities (5/3), modeling the pilebunker's damage as 3, accounting for grazes, and factoring in die distribution yields the pilebunker performing better at lower defense rates

[primal nest]

You are not safe

[halcyon wharf]

And an Act upgrade weapon should be stronger

[thick sphinx]

I also just adore the piledriver conceptually

[arctic solar]

Huh!

[languid lotus]

plus the pilebunker punches through armor

[crisp night]

pilebunkers are one of my favorite weapons

[thick sphinx]

Though, one thing the chain's weapon does have on the pilebunker is that you can apply more strength tokens to it

[crisp night]

“hey what if we took a spear and powered it with a fucking explosive”

[thick sphinx]

At least, you can if you roll really well

Theoretically

[languid lotus]

the fundamental distinction is that pilebunker does nearly twice the damage on hit when you average things out

[thick sphinx]

I'm talking myself out of this as I go

[patent steeple]

gonna be playing a match tomorrow against my friend whos never played the game before, any reccomendations on faction to play?

[primal nest]

Carc

Or grinders

[languid lotus]

i will grant that applying strength on a well-rolled superchain yields a higher damage ceiling and better armor penetration (2+2+2 as opposed to 3+2) but that's a high-risk play

[patent steeple]

i think ill go carcass

[thick sphinx]

Very, yeah

[primal nest]

They are the most straightforward factions

[languid lotus]

well, not high-risk so much as low-confidence

[thick sphinx]

Sometimes rolling a six is your out, but it's never a place you want to be

[languid lotus]

you need a six and a hit

[tiny fulcrum]

Grinders have a very simple and powerful gameplan

You just need to have good target priority

Otherwise you scream into the opponent at terminal velocity and tear them to pieces

[umbral cipher]

'i'm gonna grind somebody'

[languid lotus]

strength applies to grazes right

[umbral cipher]

Yep

Any damage you deal

[tiny fulcrum]

They're the fastest faction by a country mile which is great

[umbral cipher]

Yeah almost all their units have a 'barge in and fuck em up' ability, which is incredible

[primal nest]

Show em the true power of scum

[tiny fulcrum]

Also I think taking a Pain Ghoul is an extremely good idea

[primal nest]

Pain ghoul is extremely good

[tiny fulcrum]

Pain Ghouls are your one token removal and have fantastic utility even besides that

[umbral cipher]

Pain Ghouls are good but taking two Painwheels instead was just too funny to me 😔

[primal nest]

My friend saved one of her carni’s by pulling it out of a hazard

[languid lotus]

actually, i've done more calculations and when applying strength tokens (regardless of hit or miss) the pilebunker gains slightly less vs superchain, though it retains low-def superiority

[tiny fulcrum]

My theoretical comp is currently like
2x Warheads
2x Painwheels
Pain Ghoul
Berserker

[thick sphinx]

Wouldn't it still take the damage?

[lethal trench]

Carnifex kinda seems like the lowest prio Goregrinder unit to me

[primal nest]

Nope

Didn’t start its turn

[thick sphinx]

Fair

[umbral cipher]

My current grinder list is 1 Warheads, Carni, 2 Painwheels, Beserker

[primal nest]

Hazard dmg is only on that units turn

[tiny fulcrum]

This is my thought too

It doesn't really do anything super unique

[primal nest]

Otherwise u put em in da grinda

[languid lotus]

carnifex's Leeroy Jenkins affects adjacent enemies, vs warheads and painwheels only having theirs affect those in the path

[arctic solar]

nobody loves carnifex 😦

[umbral cipher]

Carnifexs don't quite key into other units but are just pretty solid at what they do

[lethal trench]

Carnifex just doesn't feel like it does anything a Painwheel can't just do better

[languid lotus]

it's a solid bodyguard

[tiny fulcrum]

The AoE ability is cool but I'm not sure how valuable that is, especially stacked against what a Pain Ghoul can bring

[primal nest]

She also used the hazards to purposely trigger blood boil which was sick

[umbral cipher]

True, you can Rev Up and then use them as a body blocker

[tiny fulcrum]

The issue is you only get the Retaliate 33% of the time

[umbral cipher]

Also true

[tiny fulcrum]

And armour denies it

[arctic solar]

rev just doesn't feel like 'enough' to use

and it's got a lot of the standard garg issues with armor

[tiny fulcrum]

I feel like it should just give the Retaliate full stop

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, prolly

Or at least make it at a 4+ rather than a 5+

[primal nest]

Ye

[halcyon wharf]

Oh I think I misread that sentence that makes sense

[lethal trench]

Painwheel also has an easier time gaining Strength, since Speed is also Strength for it

[halcyon wharf]

I read it as 1 str 5+ gain 1 speed, gain retaliation

but that's not accurate

[languid lotus]

how are berserkers? are they especially good or bad?

[arctic solar]

they look great

[tiny fulcrum]

I think Berserkers are kind of amazing

[umbral cipher]

Beserkers are nuts

[tiny fulcrum]

If your opponent ignores them you put Ignite on them round 2 and they slam some nerd for 5 damage

[umbral cipher]

Rip And Tear just kind of ruins everybody's day

[tiny fulcrum]

If they don't they get escalating bonuses for being hurt

[arctic solar]

rev looks even sadder next to berserker's building rage

[umbral cipher]

Man yeah, Rev could use a bump

[lethal trench]

pretty much all the tyrants seem like a strong pick for most lists IME so far

[umbral cipher]

It'll probably see something later

[lethal trench]

the one I'm the most ambivalent on is probably EGIS

but it still has value in just being a big unit for Formation

[umbral cipher]

I'm not a big Tyrant guy myself, I'm not super into having Big Centerpiece Dudes

[arctic solar]

for me it's bound devil

[umbral cipher]

But Beserker is just some really violent meat

[primal nest]

EGIS gives me fear as a Mox player

[patent steeple]

simply play mox and never have to pick a tyrant

[primal nest]

my poor scum

[tiny fulcrum]

I think the EGIS is really good actually

[patent steeple]

egis is awesome for cover

[primal nest]

Atleast it ain’t holy body

[umbral cipher]

EGIS has some good tools up its mechanized sleeve

[tiny fulcrum]

It can blow through walls, has consistent AoE and it's mobile cover

[languid lotus]

holy body alone makes me want to try abhorrers out

[lethal trench]

I think it's fine, it's just not as great as some of the others I feel

[arctic solar]

I feel that

[lethal trench]

and for Carcass specifically, I think there is a very real argument for just taking more Gunwights

[umbral cipher]

Yeah, 4 gunwights do a lot of work

[languid lotus]

gunwights are sick

[primal nest]

I need to try the abhorrers/Mox match again now that I think I figured out the Plague stuff

[lethal trench]

Gunwights in general are just really powerful I feel

[crisp night]

i do wish the bound devil had more (any) utility in situations where you can’t get things set up but at the same time setup and payoff is the whole deadsouls thing

plus once you get that setup done BD puts in some fucking heavy lifting

[umbral cipher]

Gunwights are probably like, the thralls packing the best firepower in the game

[arctic solar]

more or less yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

I feel like Gunwights are good if your opponent isn't skirmishing and if you roll well

Their upgrades are nuts

[languid lotus]

send them out in duos and you've got automatic 2d vs whatever poor bastards you're having 'em shoot at, even harder a slam if you have 'em focus one poor bastard

[primal nest]

Bullet

[tiny fulcrum]

Headshots are nuts

They're also abysmally slow

[lethal trench]

they are very slow, yeah

[primal nest]

Ye

[lethal trench]

definitely need to be careful with positioning, or they can be left behind

[inner finch]

Heyo rules question, for Iggori can you use Mutation tokens to prevent Vulnerability or other negative tokens from applying to your unit?

[primal nest]

They can’t hit the back row on the opponent’s side even if you put ‘em forward

[umbral cipher]

Gunwights ignore armour, they can deal Vulnerable, and naturally synergize well with moving in defensive packs
If you can keep them alive they really just shred things

[arctic solar]

not unless you have the appropriate counterpart token

[tiny fulcrum]

Sure can

[lethal trench]

also is the Scavenge Ammo upgrade just like... free?
or does it take an ACT?

[halcyon wharf]

Yeah, since they count as the tokens which counter

[tiny fulcrum]

Good question

[patent steeple]

gunwights are deceptively biggy dmg dealers

[tiny fulcrum]

No idea

[patent steeple]

gunwight firing line

[halcyon wharf]

I assumed scavenge ammo was free

[primal nest]

Sounds free to me

[arctic solar]

ex. vitality+ mutation lets you discard mutation to instead of vitality when vuln is applied, but you must have that vitality

[halcyon wharf]

Are there any upgrades which give new acts actually?

[patent steeple]

you bet your ass they can

mutation does it all

[inner finch]

kk ty all!

[tiny fulcrum]

I don't thiiiink so

[patent steeple]

not that im aware of yeah

[pale echo]

Other than necro? Don't think so

[lethal trench]

because if it is free, that makes them very scary around corpses

[tiny fulcrum]

I assume to reduce complexity overhead

[lethal trench]

because it lets them reposition, and pumps their attack by 1

[halcyon wharf]

I think Abhorrers come the closest with the new stances but yeah no new acts

[lethal trench]

though the Carcass unit I'm least sure on is the Barrelform

[pale echo]

I gotta work on "just roll good" for my bigbrain strats

[languid lotus]

gunwights get scavenge ammo, though idk if that's an act

[tiny fulcrum]

Range 6, 3 damage is fucking jacked

[lethal trench]

that was in fact the inciting question

[languid lotus]

ah

[arctic solar]

my personal belief is that Barrelform is good just off Deathmark, which is 'virtually' two damage with no roll, assuming follow-up

[lethal trench]

yeah but it also requires you to basically do nothing first round

[viscid path]

made a new house. necromancers of Sintershroud work the forges of the dead machine gods and cast spirits into bodies of scrap, barbed wire and razors

[lethal trench]

I guess its mostly Transform into Gun that I'm less sure on

[arctic solar]

honestly same there

[languid lotus]

ooooh

[lethal trench]

Deathmark is useful for added damage and stripping Vitality

[tiny fulcrum]

I think Transform is situational but that's not so bad

Their upgrades are great too

[viscid path]

https://tenor.com/view/november-eesti-estonia-kratt-gif-25286271

[tiny fulcrum]

Caliber Up makes them like Enforcers where they can peel

[viscid path]

kratts on their way to swarm the enemy necromancers:

[arctic solar]

okay big question
Leech's Spreading Strain
What does it actually... do?

[twilit atlas]

For sure should have gone to sleep already, but the first draft of my homebrew faction is done. Minus art of course. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H9Bv5EpWNk6joK3kRErRtYvKDwYxCmWs/view?usp=sharing

[arctic solar]

o shit

[keen ravine]

Is METALFACE EXORCISTS good for an abhorrer mass

[pale echo]

yeah

Metalface Exorcist Brotherhood is my favorite anime

[keen ravine]

riffing on mf doom haha

[primal nest]

i assume u can do the plague remove effect on multiple targets

[keen ravine]

the metalface terrorist

[outer plover]

deadsouls gamers rise up

just grabbed the book and read through it, super quick question though: does SOUL Harvest only trigger once per game?

[primal nest]

once per unit

[patent steeple]

no

1/unit

[outer plover]

ahh okay

[primal nest]

you gain one when a unit is slain

[patent steeple]

so even if a unit comes back like in blood grinder

[arctic solar]

i.e. resurrection, miracles, etc. don't give more

[patent steeple]

u can only harvest its SOUL once

[primal nest]

unless they exodia obliterate

[patent steeple]

yep

miracle too

[outer plover]

it says “only benefit the first time a unit is slain” so i was a bit confused, figured it was either a once per game trigger or something for when units get back up

[arctic solar]

the latter, yeah

[outer plover]

thanks folks

o7

[arctic solar]

this is real interesting
IDK how I feel about Vanish 2
Vanish 1 is obviously extremely good
Vanish 2 means you lose turns/inflict turn loss, which is pretty tough to make up

DARK terrain is very cool but potentially quite rude- there's not much granted movement within this faction but heresy lets you pick up stuff like Furious Roar which is insane

Shadow is a neat trigger

I really really dig the Tyrant having MV 1

it's a cool build-around

[twilit atlas]

Yeah this is a faction def not designed with Heresy in mind, additional movement sets everything out of whack

Vanish 2 is intended as a way to protect vulnerable units for multiple turns, ideally ones that can buff themselves off board

Or a nasty debuff for an enemy

[arctic solar]

wait hold on rq
how does Bludgeon work?

can off-board units target each other?

[twilit atlas]

Not normally but the hermits trait allows it to target and be targeted off board while it’s off board

[arctic solar]

ahh

[rich scarab]

Holybody is just iggori genestealer Stich feed

[arctic solar]

hmm
I think Bludgeon might be a bit too much damage; 2 is already a 'strong hit' and 3 is massive
I think I'm a bit worried about the sheer amount of mobility/evasion this gets as a whole but it does look extremely neat

I did just notice the tyrant has super armor
that scares me a lot

[twilit atlas]

I was definitely on the fence about bludgeon, I'm thinking I might make Welcome In harder to hit with and make bludgeon 1/2 off board

[bleak folio]

im realizin gargamox might be better for an oops all thralls mass

[arctic solar]

I like that
The kidnap trick is honestly a really cool scion 'tank' ability

I will note that Completely At Home doesn't do anything- units need to spend their movement to return to the board as I understand it

[twilit atlas]

Oh shit that first page is wrong, the current version is supposed to say units must spend to return

[arctic solar]

ahhh

[twilit atlas]

The idea being that you could take abilities that send enemies to the scion as opposed to the hermit having to it alone

[arctic solar]

Honestly, I think in that situation you're probably better off having no scion and forcing turn loss
How do you feel about 'gain super armor while VANISHED'?

gives it more utility against magic damage

[twilit atlas]

Yeah that probably feels better to use

Thank you so much for all the feedback!

[outer plover]

any tips for deadsouls? they seem very tricky

lots of wall building and lots of grabbing and shuffling enemy units around

but doesn’t seem very high damage?

the doom mechanic is insane, i figure that’s where most of their damage comes from?

[arctic solar]

I am not a deadsouls gamer, no clue

I've heard they're wall-heavy

[outer plover]

deadsouls gamers rise up

i’ll have to give ‘em a try

book says their play style is attrition, so i figure the goal is to absolutely slather the map in walls and adverse terrain while cooking every enemy unit possible

dooming not cooking (???)

[arctic solar]

statistically, their main traits are
-everyone is warded
-tons of 5+ defense (quite good)

[outer plover]

hm hm hm

[weak igloo]

3HP in a game with graze damage means you really do lose most straight up fights

So you pick your battles very carefully

[tiny fulcrum]

You kinda need to play Deadsouls like a real freak (positive)

[outer plover]

their good defense and basically every unit having the ability to drop a wall def leads me to believe that they cower and let doom do its work

[tiny fulcrum]

If you do I think they're top tier though

Just a steep learning curve

[outer plover]

hmhmhm

[weak igloo]

Doom however requires aggro and oh boy if you still have people up after round 4

Abhorrers, igorri will scale you out

[outer plover]

6 devil damage is insane 😭

in late game?

[weak igloo]

Its designed to be an instant kill on anything besides titans packing damage reduction

[sudden patrol]

wanted to post this here too because I dont see a channel for it. using the art Tom provided and my isometric art.

[weak igloo]

Yep

[outer plover]

this rocks!!!

[outer plover]

okay so it definitely seems like this:

1. use thralls to doom as many enemies as possible
2. run away so so fast and pray to gormengorr that you survive til round 4
3. win game

[primal nest]

Well

It’s devil dmg

None of the titans can block that

[arctic solar]

necromancers can take the hit, though

[primal nest]

Ye

[outer plover]

that's what the sneaky horror is for maybe

[primal nest]

Also keep in mind

[outer plover]

wipe entire enemy team with doom damage and then stabby

[primal nest]

Token clear can remove doom

[outer plover]

token clear?

[arctic solar]

I think if I were planning to win via doom it would probably involve aiming for Great Satania midway through Round 4

[primal nest]

Effects that clear tokens

[outer plover]

oh yeah okay

[outer plover]

What Is That!!!

[primal nest]

Mea Culpa

Cauterize

[arctic solar]

Optional SOUL ability, costs 6 Soul

[primal nest]

not plague tho mox gang stay winning

[arctic solar]

Bottom of page 48/53 depending on numbering

[primal nest]

Oh that is pretty good

[vague elbow]

goregrinders: retaliation is mapwide right? not just adjacent?

[primal nest]

Yes

[vague elbow]

assumed as much, but it felt weird given the general range of the house

[primal nest]

- Plaguelord Myca: Corruptor, Corpse Explosion, Insides Out, Necrocide, Purge Guts
- "Moldmen" Scum x4 (2 pts) 
- "Footstools" Leech x2 (2 pts) (Massive Swell) 
- "Fester Stone" Rotten (1 pt)(XXXX)```

Ok need some slight assistance on this

I dunno whether I want catalyze or smoke shroud on rotten. How good is having curse proof?

[vague elbow]

deadsouls deals a healthy amount of curse damage

[arctic solar]

that's not what curseproof does

I do see the confusion

It protects from curse abilities specifically

Like the painghoul's Cauterize, for example

[vague elbow]

"Immune to damage and effects from curses." ?

[arctic solar]

Curses, uppercase
It...might protect from curse damage? But I'm pretty sure that's not intended

[primal nest]

I doubt it

[prime portal]

I'd like to congratulate everyone, this is now the largest tabletop forum

[vague elbow]

as far as I can see anything that causes curse damage has curse as a tag

[primal nest]

Weird different things having a the same name issue

[primal nest]

Cauterize does fire

[vague elbow]

nvm, doomblade does not

huh

[arctic solar]

Lathean Devil Whip, too

[vague elbow]

well then I guess I agree with this reading

[arctic solar]

Those might just have been missed, though

Oh, Urgal Blade

On the DS Horror

[vague elbow]

yeah

[arctic solar]

That's 3, probably intended at that point but worth bringing up

[vague elbow]

yeah I agree

Vapor form in the DS act upgrades as well

[primal nest]

Also

[vague elbow]

ward protects against little-c curse damage, so its for sure intended that way. that makes answering that question way weirder

I would er on the side of curseproof is good for now, personally

it avoids a lot of attrition abilities and generally ignores debuffs

[languid lotus]

curseproof can be a drawback on goregrinders, seeing as it shuts down your buff and anti-debuff options (pain frenzy and cauterize) for the relevant unit(s)

[arctic solar]

curseproof is mainly a sort of anti-freak tool imo

[primal nest]

So catalyze then?

[arctic solar]

I think so
Not a ton of hazards in that list but the necro has a good number

[languid lotus]

indeed, the trouble is it interferes with friendly freaks in addition to enemy freaks

except antipriest

oh and chop doc and ammo goblin only have one curse

depends on the freak but seems a majority

[arctic solar]

I'm looking at this particular list

Not in general

[sudden patrol]

the d6 scenarios in the pdf are tiny, 6x8 are they meant to be this way?

[arctic solar]

But also, I think it's just not quite worth here

[arctic solar]

8x8 has been described to me as 'about average'

[patent steeple]

yeah

[arctic solar]

8x6 isn't that much smaller

[patent steeple]

6x6 to 8x8 is the average map size

[primal nest]

Yeah. I’m not gonna be using invigorating viscera much cuz me and and rotten has ways to gain strength and most of my leeches are gonna be spending their turns doing corruption bs

[arctic solar]

I'm skeptical of the upside of curseproof in general but I also haven't played yet so maybe I'm wrong

[primal nest]

I am tempted to swap purge guts out with something else but I think I should have token clear on hand

[patent steeple]

honestly no selling effects is pretty goated

[sudden patrol]

okey dokey was wondering because it looked crowded when I made the Iso map

[primal nest]

Especially since mox lacks any other form of it seems?

But fecundity on my rotten tho

[languid lotus]

have we gotten a clarification for whether or not holy bodies lack miracle intentionally?

[tiny fulcrum]

No, but with their raw durability I'd be surprised if they were intended to have it

[languid lotus]

also, i notice a lack of mention of super armor in the glossary. should i mention that in the errata?

[rich scarab]

A holy body is already hard enough to kill, I think with miracle it'd frankly be rediculous

[thick sphinx]

So I wrote a script to check Pilebunker vs Chainblade damage, taking into account elevation, 0-3 strength tokens, armor/ward/both, and DEF values from 2-6. I can share the script/data if folks like, but the TL:DR is that the Pilebunker is always better on average unless your opponent has a DEF of 6

(There are a few scattered cases where they're tied)

[weak igloo]

Thats when you antipriest it and make someone cry

[rich scarab]

Actually I retract my statement about them being that hard to kill, they're more a token clear check

[languid lotus]

double antipriest with holy body for grindset

[thick sphinx]

With that, I'm finally off to bed

[languid lotus]

can strength be multi-expended? thought it wa only one at a time

[thick sphinx]

Once per damage instance

[tiny fulcrum]

It procs per instance of damage

Yeah

[thick sphinx]

So you can spend 2 on Pilebunker

[languid lotus]

ah

thought it was a case of one token applying to all

[tiny fulcrum]

That'd be whacky, yeah

[thick sphinx]

Results are kinda exactly what you'd expect, since both weapons require two dice rolls to go your way to deal more than graze damage

[sudden patrol]

made it again but more spacious. This is the Heads, Heads, Heads! scenario

[reef harness]

Sorry if this has been asked before but i couldn't find an answer (probably just searched the wrong thing). Dark grey is elevation, light grey is stairs, white is "ground level". In this situation the holy body is on that elevated terrain still?

[thick sphinx]

Couldn't rest until I checked, unsurprisingly Vitality doesn't change the results at all

[charred glacier]

Hey folks, uh, do you have to succeed at an attack roll for the wight's push?

And can they push one another?

[flint sky]

The gunwight? Just a effect, no roll needed, I think they should be able to target each other

[charred glacier]

I ask because gunwights can push eachother off of consecrated earth

I am feeling so firing squadded on this day

[bleak folio]

yeah unless it has the attack tag, u dont roll attack

[spark cloak]

Is this the right place to ask about rule questions?

[tiny fulcrum]

Yup, though we may or may not have the answers

[spark cloak]

I can only bring one tyrant right?

[tiny fulcrum]

That's correct

Unit limits are in THE NECROMANCER section, under Unit Types and Limits

The number listed in brackets

[outer plover]

what’s the point of deadsouls pulling abilities

is there a way to capitalize on dragging dudes around?

[tiny fulcrum]

forcing units into isolation, denying a Necromancer Body Block

[outer plover]

OH I FORGOT ABOUT ISOLATION

THATS GOOD

[tiny fulcrum]

pulling them into hazards or adverse terrain as well

[outer plover]

thank you!!!!

[tiny fulcrum]

np, happy to help

[outer plover]

yeah lots of adverse terrain with them

adverse is +1 to move through right?

[tiny fulcrum]

specifically to exit out of

moving in doesn't cost additional

[rich scarab]

There's also maps like old maggie

Where pull and push can be straight up lethal

Even without those it can do stuff like bring a unit into range of something wouldn't be otherwise

[spark cloak]

Thank! I was struggling to fin it 💕

[tiny fulcrum]

pull is basically universally useful, you just gotta make plays with it

[outer plover]

yeah I’m sure I’ll get the hang of it

haven’t played yet but love deadsouls so

gonna be doing lots of trial and error games soon

ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ

[rich scarab]

This is what Scum look like when they double move directly into your lines

[outer plover]

speaking of deadsouls, could anyone explain the Chosen’s Tombraiser ability to me?

[charred glacier]

You can hit walls with attacks,yeah? Do you have to roll?

[outer plover]

“Create a wall in a nadjacent space, (3+) then create adverse terrain (5+) then create adverse terrain again.”

[outer plover]

to my admittedly very limited knowledge, no cause they have no defense stat?

[severe ledge]

quick note, pepes are banned here!

[outer plover]

good to know, deleted it o7

[tiny fulcrum]

Cheers, yeah I was about to chime in

[outer plover]

apologies folks

[tiny fulcrum]

All good!

[outer plover]

it’s a Warhammer gif so that kinda superseded the pepe in my brain 😔😔

[rich scarab]

You make a wall, then roll a dice and make a number of adverse terrain based on your roll

[outer plover]

where does the adverse terrain go? anywhere adjacent?

[rich scarab]

Yeah

[outer plover]

thank you! that was what i was confused about

[charred glacier]

Hey y'all, can I drop these all underneath a Tyrant and let it die?

[rich scarab]

I'm pretty sure a hazards are binary, like a space can't have 2 hazards on it for 2 damage

[serene sundial]

You can be only affected by one hazard at a time.

[primal nest]

Exquisite

although I’m surprised you used the image and not the tile set in the drive

[charred glacier]

Sometimes I am a fool, I have been cursing myself for it since the game began

For the funniest option: we started using hte tiles once the walls got detonated

[exotic hinge]

OK so I think neurogant body, and some spare heavy stubber I've got somewhere can work as an ammo goblin

[rich scarab]

I'd maybe also glue a mine or something onto it

[charred glacier]

Hey y'all, I know I saw this answered here earlier. If the damage is reduced to 0 by armor do I still lose the Vitality?

[tame pasture]

i think we're waiting for tom clarification on that

imo for the sake of sanity i'd say you still loose it

otherwise holy body is goofy tanky

[charred glacier]

I mean, that's the plannn

[tame pasture]

3 damage 3 times or 2 damage 9 times is like 3x tankier than the normal tyrant

[real bane]

holy body gang

[charred glacier]

Oh you know it

[rich scarab]

or deathmark 6+

It's about having token clear

[tame pasture]

clearing enemy tokens is pretty rare no?

[tiny fulcrum]

It's largely an Igorii thing

[tame pasture]

like unless im missing something just voiding all of someones vitality is either igorri or deathmark luck

[rich scarab]

no searchable text on the PDF

So I can't easily find out

CARCASS get deathmark
Goregrinders get enough Damage
Gargamox gets plague and hazards
Deadsouls have Doom
Igorri have token clear

I think all of the houses have a pretty good way of dealing with it

[tame pasture]

isn't goregrinders a bunch of 1 damage pings?

[torn portal]

mostly

but that would depleat the vitality fast

[tame pasture]

yeah if armor can stop vigor loss then thats not really effective then

[rich scarab]

Goregrinders have a bunch of 1 damage pings but they also have strength, retaliation

[torn portal]

retaliation is just another ping

[rich scarab]

Like goregrinders is the "Gain strength attack a bunch of times" faction

[tame pasture]

but yeah tldr I think that armor doesn't stop vigor loss

just for the sake of sanity on armor + vigor stacking

still forces you to burn attacks to poke through it

[real bane]

Are mirror matches a big thing? People running Abhorrer teams against each other, for instance?

(Mox v Mox immediate stalemate)

Gloomwoods

The city's proximity to Hell has had unfortunate side effects on local flora.

While fighting each other, the players navigate a dense forest of trees suffused with demonic energy. When a wall is destroyed, it emits a Splash (self): 3 devil damage.

[tiny fulcrum]

ASCENDANTS OF OIL AND IRON

"OIL AND IRON! 
FUEL OF THE CHOSEN! ARMOUR OF THE ASCENDANT!
GRANT THINE WRETCHED EYES WITNESS THE CRAWLING APOCALYPSE!
WRITHING, PULSING, ROTTING!
THE WEAKNESS OF MEAT IS THE DEATH OF DIVINITY!
THE FRAILITY OF BLOOD IS A CHAIN OF THE SOUL!

OIL AND IRON!
THE MACHINE HUNGERS! THE FORGE HOWLS!
PERMIT THINE WRETCHED HAND CARVE THINE HATRED! 
BRAND THE SEVENTY SEVEN-HUNDRED CATECHISMS UPON PATHETIC FLESH!
IF THOU ART WORTHY, WAR SHALT CARVE OUT YOUR WEAKNESS!
IF THOU ART WORTHY, BATTLE SHALT BLEED AWAY YOUR FRAILITY!

OIL AND IRON!
REVERED LIFE! BLESSED MEMBRANE!
WAR BEGETS STRENGTH! BATTLE BEGETS VIGOUR!
BLOOD BECOMES FUEL! FLESH BECOMES STEEL!
IMPALE THYSELF UPON THE ALTAR OF CONFLICT!
ASCEND AND GRASP DIVINITY! BECOME AS GODS!"

- Ascendant Pre-Battle Chant (recorded by Sump-Scribe Faltiminious, situated 1.8 kilometeres from conflict zone)```

this game has inspired *hella juice*

[charred glacier]

Can you body block the bolides

please no

[naive glacier]

so holy body was written that armor cannot stop vigor loss

however I am going to probably rewrite that because its more intuitive that you don't spend the vigor unless you're actually reducing damage

in return ill probably nerf it a little bit

[short sky]

gonna be playing for the first time with a bud this morning, should I be slapping together a basic map real quick or is a blank board good enough for 1v1 spite?

[tacit cedar]

we did the Old Maggie scenario for our first match. it's basically just a Murder Duel but with a map and a little narrative

would not recommend a blank board

[tired bolt]

completely blank map’s no good, slap some terrain in there

#1164643959721693184 message check this out

[short sky]

that's what i figured from experience, gotcha

oh sick that makes things easier

tyty

[short cloud]

Eternally based that you can technically play this game on a chessboard/with chess pieces

[short sky]

yeah i thought that was really fun

anyways just gonna use the old maggie map as idk how much time i have. janky, slapped together in 5 minutes, virtual tabletop setups are art i think (tokens are offscreen)

[opaque socket]

holy shit its the undertale puzzle

[tired bolt]

lmao

[umbral cipher]

I do really like how the Faction overview touches on their unique mechanics and then all the 'generic' mechanics they utilize

[torn portal]

Quench, from the goregrinders, lets you convert up to 3 negative tokens on str or spd from sekf or adjacent alies. Does it mean the 3 tokens have to be on the same target or I can choose 1 from self and 2 from an adjacent ally?

[short sky]

it's written in the language of skeletons, clearly.

[real bane]

Red tiles are walls. You cannot walk on them. Yellow tiles are electric tiles. You take 1 damage that cannot be reduced. Blue tiles are water tiles. Swim through if you like, but if you have an Orange counter the piranhas will bite you for 1 damage that ignores armor. Purple tiles are slippery, you are pushed 1 in the direction you were moving. However, the slippery soap gives you a Lemon counter that piranhas do not like! Purple and blue are ok! Finally, pink tiles don't do anything. Step on them all you like.

[hexed coral]

And so, battle was joined. The necromancers each commanding their respective legions to battle in a mass of crimson and ichor. Lord Magnanimous leapt first into the fray alongside his NOS-heads, using their spiked bodies as improvised battering rams against the slowly approaching forces of the Abhorrers. The Anti-Priests, the Friars of Joyous Suffering did not flinch when their bodies were rent apart. Steadfast in their ritual incantations they began to call forth the that which the Goregrinder warlord most feared. The Holy Body. An immortal warmachine made mockingly beautiful. Angelic filth, inhumanity through perfection. It would make this pitched battle nigh unwinnable. He decided that these "priests" would look far better without their limbs.```

"Your flesh is worthless pauper. I'll send you back to your holy fathers so you can tell of my victories." 
He revved the blades in his flesh, scouring the black-iron underneath what little remained of his flesh to reveal the mantis-like chainblades below. 
"Except you won't! Because I'll have ripped your skull in half." He added before he slammed the blades into the ground and created a cacophony that his horde mimicked. 
Silo merely looked on in smug silence. He waited, petty bastard. If he wanted a fight on his terms, he'd get one! Magnanimous rushed forward and leapt to attack his most hated foe only to have the blade intercepted by another. 

"You." The hate was evident in his voice as he beheld the twice dead swordsman. The headless master of the Deadsouls newest converts. The perfect killer. The wielder of Dead and Dead Again. 
"BEHEADER!" 
The body that had blocked Magnanimous's attack stepped back and to let the three opponents begin a deadly circling, waiting for their respective moments. 
A ghostly voice found Magnanimous's ears, a rough almost humanity. A mimicry. 
<THE PRIEST IS MINE>
Magnanimous bared what teeth he had left and readied himself for another fight. 
"You and what army then?" ```

A 1v1v1 black mass battle is very normal and good

Now mind you, Magnanimous wasn't exactly subtle

but I feel most goregrinders aren't, really.

[charred glacier]

Wow! What VTT is this?

[candid monolith]

I've realized the beautiful simplicity of giving my necromancer the motivation of "ritual obsession with combat because you learn and get stronger whether you win or lose, only wants the End of Death to prove he can claim it and force strong people to fight him if they want it".

[eager berry]

When a Miracle Unit dies and comes back, what happens to tokens on it?

[candid monolith]

🤔 good question tbh

[eager berry]

I feel like losing them would make sense

[candid monolith]

I would assume it loses tokens

[eager berry]

But also worth a head tilt

[candid monolith]

It's like a reset

[bleak folio]

i think the tokens are lost upon slain yea

[candid monolith]

I think losing tokens sounds fair just because yeah you lose anything you built up but also you can get it stacked with penalties and come back squeaky

[eager berry]

Mhm, double edged sword which feels reasonable

Felt it worth an ask just in case

On the note of Abhorrers though I had the funniest match 2 days ago where I kept rolling 6s on Miracle

I truly am God's Specialest Girl

[candid monolith]

The nun when she gets three 6s in a row:

[eager berry]

Hehehe

Beat my opponent half with the mental game

Destroy their will

[humble citrus]

Hmm. Undertale malaghast campaign. Mercy gets fkexible when death is broke

[candid monolith]

Underghast

[eager berry]

Slowly but surely though, I work through the roster

Igorri and Abhorrers played, although I would like to play against something other than Goregrinders ^_^

[candid monolith]

Tfw goregrinder

[eager berry]

Gonna know their roster better than my own by the time I settle on one

[candid monolith]

On that anzenmale goregrindset (I am placed in a box by the nearest deadsoul immediately)

[eager berry]

Naughty Goregrinders get put in the Soul Wiggler

[candid monolith]

I think that one faction has a dedicated Time Out strat is hilarious

[eager berry]

It's great

[candid monolith]

🤔 I still need a stupid name for me necromancer

[eager berry]

I knoooooow I'm v sad I havent settled yet on a House

So I cant get way too into that stuff

[short sky]

if you aren't naming all your lil dudes you're doing something wrong

[gloomy shell]

I'm tempted by like 3 houses. Carcass, Abhorers and... i can't remember purple house

[candid monolith]

Igorri

[short sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545325334976004108/1169988397633388634/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545325334976004108/1169988387151827004/image.png

proud of these stupid names

[bleak folio]

ah the megacrucifier

[smoky pecan]

It fits

[mystic lark]

Initially I was really into CARCASS aesthetic wise but I have since switched teams to Igorri. Love the weirdos.

[candid monolith]

Aesthetic wise I love deadsouls but I also know how I play games and there's no other choice for me but Gore Boys

[umbral cipher]

liking this freak design a lot more

STRING WITCH
Rickertock Freak
MV 4 HP 4  DF 4+ ARM -
Traits:
Ghoulcore
ACT Abilities:
Network (Range 3)
Two target units Step 2 or take 1 Slow (+4) and choose another target.
Hangman's Noose (Melee, Curse)
Target unit takes 1 Curse damage, 1 Vulnerable (+4) and cannot move or be moved until the start of self's next turn.
Weavetight (Range 3, Recycle)
Target unit gains 2 Vitality and 1 Strength.

[eager berry]

Brother Dubious...

[sinful kelp]

Ah. The Doobie Brother

[umbral cipher]

Our Sibling Of Most Suspicion

[candid monolith]

🤔 Refluff my gorelad to be a weird mix of techno-cybergoth and folk metal pagan vibes give him a fuckoff pair of antlers or something

[naive glacier]

ok I did a little balance pass + typo thing

may export a vers tonight or later today if I have time

[small locust]

huzzah, thank you John evilman

[tame pasture]

john maleghast

[small locust]

John Evilman should absolutely be the name of the mayor of Anzenmezzeron

[naive glacier]

balancewise mostly just tweaking a couple things

adjusted some goregrinder stuff, abhorrers, deadsouls

mostly just to give goreginders a little more consistency, also reduced the deadsouls wall spam ability a lot but haven't really changed much else about them

abhorrers got a df tweak down I fixed the antipriest that was at 2 hp for some reason

and nerfed the holy body a bit (bolides no longer creates hazards under characters, that was a holdover text I forgot to remove)

stuff like that

[candid monolith]

Very based can't wait to check it out

[small locust]

👍

[glacial junco]

We did it Igorri lovers no nerfs (Joking)

[naive glacier]

lol

chirurgeon got a DF nerf to 3+

and I think one ability got a curse tag that didn't already

can't remember

they are the least changed faction (them and carcass)

we got some good testing in with igorri because one of our players ran them twice for our pvp tests

[small locust]

Not my sludge boys!

[short estuary]

Gargamox not mentioned yet but I am afraid

[glacial junco]

DF don't matter if I have 6billion vit tokens

[small locust]

My gross guys, my detritus dudes, my slime siblings

My RAAAAAAAAAAAAAATs

[naive glacier]

Scum's attack now always applies plague Scum's pseudopod now range 2-3 Slime's vile rupture now deals toxic damage Leech gains magic armor Plaguelord's virulence effect chance increased to 3+/5+ Plaguelord's Ceaseless spew gained a 6+ 2 plague effect chance Plaguelord's Mox populi now creates 4 scum units

[small locust]

WE ARE SO BACK

[candid monolith]

Mox sweep

[small locust]

Sludge sweep

[naive glacier]

uh here's the rest

slight reword on scavenge ammo Added slight token clear to operator ability BULLET TIME <CARCASS

Chirurgeon's DF to 3+ Chirurgeon's Accelerate Evolution now triggers at turn end < IGORRI

[tame pasture]

the gargamox about to eat good

[naive glacier]

grinders

Carnifex's Rile has a chance to grant two berserk Carnifex's Wild Slashes now deals fire damage Warlord's Ignite now ignores armor Warlord's frenzy chain effect chance increased to 3+/5+ Warlord's Overclock grants 2 speed Warlord's killing spree ignores armor

[glacial junco]

This is a great change honestly, Having all the effects stacked on the start was a bit weird

[bleak folio]

*the oops-all-thralls gargamox mass becomes even more viable*

[naive glacier]

then the two with the most changes

Chosen can no longer move through walls Chosen's Foul monuments grants range 3 to tombraiser instead of granting additional wall creation Chosen's Kidnap is now a curse Vizigheist's Soul Frost no longer has a chance to leave a wall Banshee's Bale Scream is line 4 Banshee's Freeze Soul no longer has a chance to leave a wall Dark Priest's Doomblade is now range 2 instead of 1-2 Dark Priest's Unholy Summoning is now a curse Dark Priest's Frozen Hell no longer creates walls, has range 2, and deals damage to units standing in adverse terrain in range instead Dark Priests' Bloody Flail is now range 2-2 Dark Priests' Lathean devil whip is now range 2-3 Dark Priests' Twist Sinews is now a curse

and

Penitent's Mea Culpa now only removes 1 or two tokens with its first two effects Zealot DF to 3+ Zealot whirling chain changed to range 2 instead of 1-2 Inquistor DF to 3+ Inquisitor's winch increases maximum range as intended Holy Body's MV reduced to 3 Holy Body's miraculous flesh now only grants 4 vitality Holy Body's Bolides can no longer create hazards under characters Holy Body's Ablutions had redundant stance text removed Exorcist's Corpse Violent stance now grants choice of armor Exorcist's Decree of Forbiddence is now a curse

[nova mason]

Tbh ill take a souls nerf to allow for a piss buff lol

[glacial junco]

You know whats funny, Slime getting TOXIC damage on explosion is still better for me Ward stay winning

[short estuary]

I hate my life

[small locust]

My main goal is to blow up

[short estuary]

Scum always getting plague is nice

I should actually try running mox populi at some point

[glacial junco]

you absolutely coulda done it in our freeforall

[nova mason]

A range 2-2 means it can only hit at range 2 right?

[naive glacier]

yeah

[candid monolith]

Can't wait to wade through a mass of Mox thralls while we see who can break the killcount billboard faster

[short estuary]

I needed better dee pee arr

[naive glacier]

scums are pretty good

if they plague your own dudes no problem you get a bunch of free buffs

[tame pasture]

curse of gargamox be apon yee

[eager berry]

Did Berserker getting Formation instead of Blood Rage get cleared up or was that intentional?

[naive glacier]

no its a typo and has been fixed

[glacial junco]

This feels like such FGC patch announcement energy and I LOVE IT.

[eager berry]

Rad

[small locust]

My plan for scums is to have them rush with a scion and then corpse explode the ones who don't make it so I can have my necromancer run from hazard to hazard as cover with the pollution shroud

[nova mason]

I am vaguely sad souls are no longer aggressively baby jail builders lol

[short estuary]

If I could ever fuckin remember to add str tokens after using necrocide I would have done better

[naive glacier]

you can still do it

its just harder to completely shit walls on the map

[candid monolith]

It's okay I'm probably gonna get baby jailed anyway

[naive glacier]

you can still shit walls on the map

[nova mason]

For sure

[naive glacier]

plus dark priests can still walk through them

[eager berry]

Partial wall shitting

[nova mason]

I just found how much you could do it funny

[naive glacier]

my gameplay concept for deadsouls was a control army

[candid monolith]

Lol yeah

[small locust]

Deadsouls most powerful necromancer

[short estuary]

Also having insides out for that is what let me do as well as I did

[naive glacier]

they are the equivalent of a blue/black deck from magic lol

[eager berry]

Can we fix it?!

[short estuary]

That ensured the necro kill

[glacial junco]

I gotta see how other people use their Homonculus I think i'm not playin them to their strongest

[eager berry]

unholy screeches from Black Mass

[naive glacier]

in our first playtests the homonculus was fucked up good

[short estuary]

It being an annoying tank was very effective against me

[naive glacier]

you also run into this funny thing with igorri when sometimes you will have the World's Strongest Thrall

[glacial junco]

I feel like i'm supposed to play him as a TANK and a TOKEN container

[short estuary]

He can be both

[glacial junco]

Omg yeah like 4 times

My son was so strong and kept getting the like Oops all tokens roll

[naive glacier]

use thralls to generate tokens + corpses then transfer them to your homonculus and beat the shit out of your opponent

[glacial junco]

And did mad decent

[eager berry]

Thralls can have an absurd amount of Tokens

As a treat

[naive glacier]

lol

[candid monolith]

🤔 necromancer who's black mass is made with the bodily remains of him constantly sacrificing himself to himself and then fused with black metal and demon blood

[naive glacier]

igorri are the most complicated faction it was funny that our playtest included both of them

[eager berry]

Homunculus is also silly for dealing with Abhorrers and Goregrinders who think they can not die

[glacial junco]

Actually when the thrall gets all the tokens on their unstable mutation does the strength token get spent on the splash that gets created or is it an all at the same time

[eager berry]

Nomf

[umbral cipher]

(slaps my Stitched on its bald heads) this bad boy can fit so much Mutation

[naive glacier]

effects happen in order so it gets spent

[short estuary]

I think my first heresy game I will attempt to use the team comp I have dubbed the trollcraft carrier: Gargamox with 2 slimes, 2 painwheels and a holy body

Will it work well? Probably not, but it will be funny

[glacial junco]

God gives his most complicated creations to his most rules obsessed disciples

The playtesting curse

[candid monolith]

I'm absolutely pairing into Mox when I'm ready for heresy

[naive glacier]

carcass thralls used to do 2 damage on headshot

that was pretty ridic

[eager berry]

Daaaaaang

[umbral cipher]

You can still only do two factions with Heresy

[short estuary]

Cringe

[eager berry]

10 Thralls targeting your head

[short estuary]

I misread the rules

[naive glacier]

they are still very good

[eager berry]

Be afraid

[umbral cipher]

Gunwights are kind of ridiculous if you let them do their thing

[naive glacier]

vuln is no joke

it stacks w/ str

[short estuary]

I'll have to settle for four slimes instead

[tame pasture]

honestly im just happy enough if i can get the enemy to burn turns trying to kill gunwights behind cover

[eager berry]

I have such mixed opinions on Carcass. On one hand really cool and zombies with guns kick ass

[naive glacier]

i think people are sleeping on how much damage the grinders can do

[eager berry]

On the other they're a PMC-

[candid monolith]

I like how carcass looks like the intro baby faction at first read and then it goes "check this shit out" and becomes hilarious

[tame pasture]

i love war

[eager berry]

I do not like war, I love war.

[keen ravine]

I LOVE VIOLENCE I LOVE SHOOTING OTHER NECROMANCERS IN THE HEAD

[glacial junco]

KIDS ARE CRUEL JACK

[naive glacier]

if you get a lucky hit with a warlord with some str or berserk you can do like 6 then a devil impact

[umbral cipher]

And yeah Goregrinders just fucking murder thralls and anything without armour

[candid monolith]

Iunno you can just stack a ton of them tokens

It's pretty clear to me

[eager berry]

Warlords are terrifying

[naive glacier]

they are weaker vs armor but

they have the 3 seperate damage applications

I found people often ignore their 1 soul abilities when playing when those are actually really good

[umbral cipher]

They just do So Much Damage

[candid monolith]

It seems like the whole point of gore is to try and turn into a nuke

[prime portal]

What if I don't play games

[candid monolith]

Which I love

[naive glacier]

in our second playtest the grinder necromancer was his last unit alive

[short estuary]

Wait hell I can only do 2 speed dudes

[naive glacier]

and everyone was sweating

[tame pasture]

i love double tap

i love it so much

[nova mason]

I find it funny that the factions I gravitated to in this both are the make your opponent miserable factions

[short estuary]

The trollcraft carrier is illegal

[naive glacier]

because at any point he could have just fucking barreled up and domed someone for 6 damage

[candid monolith]

Also the killing spree adjust is sending me

I'm so happy

[eager berry]

With a lot of Houses the Necromancer being the only one alive is scary for them

[umbral cipher]

lmao yeah

[eager berry]

For Grinders I start hearing doom music

[nova mason]

Usually I'd expected myself to go gore but not this time it seems lol

[tame pasture]

im normally a melee enjoyer

but

carcass hits that itch

[candid monolith]

I'm a simple man

I like going fast and hitting hard

[keen ravine]

I feel like warlord is definitely the raid boss necro

[candid monolith]

I like to explode

[nova mason]

The pissers and the goths are just the most out aesthetic factions lol

[keen ravine]

stack a whole bunch of shit and let the warlord have fun

[glacial junco]

I love labcoats and shoes. And bonus limbs

[keen ravine]

Igorri wins the fashion game hands down

[nova mason]

Also when I play garga I can post the I'm making piss meme