MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[brittle otter]

Foundry VTT

[patent steeple]

foundry

using the icon system

[crisp night]

i'm so excited

i should go install the icon shit into foundry now actually

[brittle otter]

And I just slid the upgrade right into the boy no problem

[arctic solar]

my 1 banshee jumping up and down in joy

[crisp night]

LOL

imagining a banshee jumping

in their uh

standard pose

is sure something

it's like voldo from soul calibur

[brittle otter]

Seems to be working good!

[hexed coral]

Excellent!! Thanks for all your hard work

[crisp night]

yeah for real

[granite karma]

the system looks baller

immediately thinking about printing minis and tiles, need to find some good proxies

[crisp night]

what version of foundry should i use actually

[brittle otter]

11

[crisp night]

K

thanks much

forgot i uninstalled it so i have to re dl

[rugged musk]

How much soul did necromancers start the fight with?

I remember it's 1/round, and the first time they kill a unit in the game, and I think there was a third way

[glacial junco]

start with 0

[rugged musk]

Also does DOOM stack damage or only tokens to be harder to remove

[glacial junco]

You start with 0 and you get soul start of round 2 and there after

[rugged musk]

Yeah because I was looking at soul abilities and thought "why are there damage dealing ones in most factions when S.T.G. can just Oneshot your opponent's necromancer with a 6"

Well, it's the price and utility of it all

[arctic solar]

doom does not stack, just harder to remove

soul: +1 at start of round starting round 2, also get 1 every single time one of your own units die

killing the other side gives no soul

[thick sphinx]

*for the first time

[patent steeple]

it can instakill everything except necros right?

[arctic solar]

i.e. if you rez a unit it gives no soul

it's not that 'only the first unit per match to die gives soul'

STG's limit I think is bodyblocks

[patent steeple]

we need a homebrew faction that can deal 666 devil damage

[arctic solar]

I think it's meant to only work on the unit you headshot but I'm not sure

[rugged musk]

It says a Unit, not sure if that includes necros or not

[crisp night]

roll 3 6s in a row and you just choose an enemy unit to be obliterated for free

[rugged musk]

I thought the first kill gave soul

[crisp night]

it's when your own units die

you get soul

[rugged musk]

Makes more sense

So Soul is basically a necromancer Zenkai boost

[brittle otter]

FOUNDRY SYSTEM FOR MALEGHAST USING THE EXISTING ICON SYSTEM BY WHITESPINE

Things you need!
WHITESPINE's ICON module: #icon-resources message
The module in the .zip file.

Things that are nice to have!
The Dice Tray module for rolling (sheets don't do it for you).
The Global Progres Clocks module (tracking turns/SOUL).
Condition Lab & Triggler module in combination with finaljas90's status icons found here:⁠ #1164643959721693184 message

Instructions:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eT-kix3b9THlkn9ptzaD-hvL-463TD1HfKgzukRWteI/edit?usp=sharing

Enjoy!

@patent steeple

There

Now I can rest

[glacial junco]

Fuck yeah

[hexed coral]

o7 o7

[rugged musk]

[T]7

[night hedge]

@primal crypt could you please pin this?

v useful resource

[hexed coral]

^^

[brittle otter]

Let me know if something catastrophic goes wrong

[crisp night]

question from a fool who has barely used their foundry license;

how do i find the options for modules

[brittle otter]

Do the manage modules to pick the ones you want, then configure settings to the module in question

[crisp night]

ohhhhhhh i see

thanks

[patent steeple]

i think gamb wrote an attack macro

dunno if it works in the icon system tho

[crisp night]

i thought i could do it just on the main page

[brittle otter]

It doesn't no

[patent steeple]

ah

[brittle otter]

the dice tray's rolling a simple d6 works fine enough for me, and I got a headache trying to use my baby brain to imitate programming a macro~

[patent steeple]

fair enough

just was hoping it worked lok

lemme test this

[brittle otter]

If you wanna do let's say a 0d6 roll, just click the d6 twice together with the KL button

[patent steeple]

yeah

thankfully theres not lots of stuff like headshot

[umbral cipher]

okay I think I'm cooking with maleghast homebrew

Faction Mechanic:
Ghoulcore: Units with this trait turn into a Soulticker Thrall the first time they are slain.

Special Tags:
Recycle: Abilities with Recycle slay an adjacent allied unit to activate their effect.

SOULTICKER
Rickertock Thrall
MV 3 HP 2 DF 5+ ARM N/A
Traits: 
Corebody: When Recycled, this unit is instead Obliterated, and grants the activating ally +1 HP, 1 Strength, and 1 Speed
Thrall
ACT Abilities:
Crackling Needle (Attack, Range 1-2)
On Hit: 1 Damage, (4+) 1 Vulnerable
Skitter:
Step up to equal your MV. This may pass through walls and units.

[night hedge]

ghoulcore goblin pilled

[gloomy shell]

oh token faction

that's so cool

[patent steeple]

ngl i love effect dice so much

[gloomy shell]

(Tokens in the mtg effect)

[patent steeple]

i love rolling dice and doing random things

[umbral cipher]

fucked up haunted scarecrows that are annoyingly persistent and scrap each other for parts to keep going

And yeah effect dice as a mechanic is cool

you're still doing a thing but if you roll well then you do an Extra Thing

[patent steeple]

@brittle otter module works like a charm btw

[brittle otter]

Awesome!

[glacial junco]

About to play a 3 player game in roll20 because crew didnt wanna wait for me to set up foundry rip

Setting up at sides instead of corners** will feel weird

[short estuary]

So let's say hypoethically you're playing in a thorn forest with these properties and one of you has a tyrant. How is the tyrant affected by the los blocking, etc? Is it any part of the tyrant being in there means they can only LOS within the zone?

[nova mason]

i dont think so no

itd just be any los from within is not valid

[elfin ermine]

oh this fucks whats it from

[hexed horizon]

Does Formation buff the damage on the splash of EGIS Weapon's mortar?

[patent steeple]

not the damage

[brittle otter]

Formation gives a +1D on attacks, not damage

[patent steeple]

just dice rolled

[night hedge]

sword interval, a webcomic

it fucks so hard

[elfin ermine]

oh I remember that one!

there was a blonde person with a bee sword as the only panel

when I saw it

and the best drip

[patent steeple]

that being said, mortar triggering headshot is a very funny mental image

[elfin ermine]

or was the same artist, other work

[night hedge]

it has a lot of good moments, including helicopter blade sword, dragon vs baseball bat and cosmic horrors

[glacial junco]

When do i return them

As soon as they drop?

[patent steeple]

yep

[night hedge]

i'd assume so but the you can probably agree different rules with your opponent(s)

[crisp night]

sorry to be ever hapless, but i can't figure out how to get it to work. everything up to using the module is all set up. I took the maleghast folder from the zip and put it into the foundry modules folder, and it shows that it's installed with the compendium tag in the modules tab in the app. but I can't find the maleghast compendium once I'm actually loaded into a world, it just has the ICON stuff. what do i have to change so I can actually access the maleghast compendiums for stuff?

[glacial junco]

If i kill my own guy (Chop Doc Marriage) Do i get points for Blood Grinder(game senario)?

[brittle otter]

Have you activated the module here?

[crisp night]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[brittle otter]

And it's okay, took me an age to figure all this out as well

[humble citrus]

Angel aesthetics stay winning

[glacial junco]

Because otherwise I'm about to start cutting up my dudes

[humble citrus]

What does each faction lack again?

[brittle otter]

Huh

[crisp night]

carcass has no horror, goregrinder has no hunter, gargamox has no tyrant, deadsouls has no freak, abhorrers have no thrall, igorri has no scion

[brittle otter]

I feel it might go a little against the challenge, but yeah fuck it why not

[glacial junco]

"Slaying a unit grants you points based on the unit type"

[brittle otter]

discuss among your opponents~

It might be a bit too much of an advantage though

[glacial junco]

I'll just track it seperate to test

So i'll have With sacrifices and another without

[humble citrus]

Gargamox lacks a boss minion because they're based on control and use environment as a damage source.
Abhorrer lacks grunts because they already maintain their numbers through their healing.
I got it right?

[night hedge]

well also because abhorrer's are focused on the long game and grunts die easy

goregrinders have no hunter because they're close range melee faction

[thick sphinx]

If no one else gets to it before the weekend I may tackle getting one written. If only so that we can spell "attack" out

[patent steeple]

that would be awesome

[brittle otter]

Shoot your shot~

[patent steeple]

gonna be playing a match in 2-3 hrs

its gonna be lit

[crisp night]

good luck

have fun

tell us how it goes

what faction?

[patent steeple]

he hasnt told me what hes running

but ill be running abhorrers

[night hedge]

carcass is slow, garg relies on hazard and DoT for damage, not sure what not having a freak says, igorri has no scion because scions are generally tanky which igorri makes up for in token shenanigans

[crisp night]

okay ONE last thing and then i promise i'm done needing help

the images for the actors aren't working even after i put the units folder with the images into the same folder as everything else

or do i need to make it an entirely separate folder with a capital letter

[brittle otter]

Ah!

[brittle otter]

Go out into the folders until you're in the "data" folder

[glacial junco]

My son is strong like an ox (Homonculus

But a big target

(Making foundry work on the side)

[crisp night]

k, data folder opened

[brittle otter]

So FoundryVTT->Data->Maleghast->Units->aaaaaart

[crisp night]

ohhhhhhhh

i'm so damn bad at reading simple instructions

thank you so much

[brittle otter]

Lol its okay~ I hope it works

[crisp night]

and also, it goes without saying, thank you for getting this all set up

you and everyone else who's helped

[brittle otter]

The sooner we get to making games look clean, the better

[brittle otter]

Also not so sneaky push to visit this post for tilesets so you can make Maps all easy like #icon-resources message

[patent steeple]

found some sick ass art for my blorbo

https://fxtwitter.com/nilzynox/status/1424180676669190148?s=20

[primal crypt]

this is really too long for a pin

it'll choke the pins

I can pin a link to it I guess? or put it in a doc

[brittle otter]

Oh one sec

Put instructions in a google doc

[primal nest]

Damn those scum at looking too hot

[brittle otter]

I need to play a game like that so bad

Just Scum

[patent steeple]

carcass and igorri are tied

for the faction i wanna play second most

[crisp night]

i think i've caved

originally deadsouls was my least favorite but

[primal nest]

Also hey how do y’all rule terrain stuff for tyrants?
Specifically hazards and Elevation

[crisp night]

i want to play them most now

it'll be just like i'm playing kobold again

[primal nest]

REAL!

[crisp night]

iskander and kobold are like two of my favorite mechs

i didnt notice your nickname until now

somehow

🤝

[south tartan]

well in ICON a size 2 foe ignores elevation so I'd probably do that here too

[primal nest]

Lmao

[brittle otter]

Yeah pretty much

Any terrain under the tyrant it's affected by though

[primal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-raiden-metal-gear-jet-steam-sam-friendship-gif-25014876

[crisp night]

i just like putting hazards and traps and obstacles everywhere

[primal nest]

Yeye

It’s like playing with legos

[crisp night]

exactly

[primal nest]

The painful kind, talking bout them 2x2 bricks

[brittle otter]

Not me spreading my Gorgomox filth everywhere while making toxic explosions, not at all.

[elfin ermine]

dead souls are all taking the Bond of The Wolf

no supports

(the real answer is they are skirmishers who target isolated units, so split up or scatter around the map: none of them support)

[primal nest]

I do like has a decent amount of lines that all seem pretty viable
AoE, Thrall Spam, Hazard Spam, Self Buff

[elfin ermine]

has anyone played a mirrormatch yet

[primal nest]

Would it proc hazard dmg multiple times if it starts or moves through multiple?

[crisp night]

must make a deadsouls team now

[hexed coral]

Yeees

[crisp night]

one version for spite and one for hatred

[hexed coral]

Join me

Join me in the terrain gang (tm)

[crisp night]

it's so funny how much of a 180 i've had on deadsouls

[hexed coral]

Just this morning even!

[crisp night]

i think literally the one reason i didnt like them at the start was because i didn't quite grasp how powerful doom was and the strength of terrain manipulation

which is funny because, again, as i've mentioned, i literally played a kobold/iskander mix in both lancer campaigns i've done

which is literally JUST terrain and zone control

[hexed coral]

Gotta love terrain control tbh

[crisp night]

i dunno what kind of comp i'm going for but i know it'll include the demon

because he's just too cool nto to use

[gloomy shell]

I still don't get how doom is removed

You kill someone or...

[hexed coral]

The bound devil? Yeah he’s sick

[crisp night]

kill an enemy or by any effect that would remove negative tokens

[gloomy shell]

So just removing a token removes a stack of doom

[brittle otter]

Yeah

[crisp night]

negatives specifically but yes

i think

[brittle otter]

Yep, negative effects

[gloomy shell]

So best bet is the negation

Slow + speed, strong + weak, ect

And that would remove one

Okay

[brittle otter]

I do however not know how good daedsouls is going to be in the second half of the game where the Doom becomes more something to proc off than something scary

[hexed coral]

Plenty of time to playtest now, thanks to your assistance!

[crisp night]

^

[hexed coral]

Speaking of, I bet given how easy this is to set up

Entirely possibly we could just do one now

[glacial junco]

Question for later:

Does the gain strength only ever happen if i Spare Parts it?

Its kinda clearly in that section but

[brittle otter]

Yes.

It's like Icon, effects resolve left to right and up to down

[glacial junco]

It makes sense for sure

SHAME!

[brittle otter]

Only the stuff after Spare Parts: resolves if Spare Parts is activated

[glacial junco]

Time to make bodies

[hexed coral]

I should say if I had the money to purchase Foundry, which I don't :p

[brittle otter]

Roll20 is free!

[languid lotus]

so's owlbear rodeo

[brittle otter]

And foundry should go in sale around black friday if you wanna use it for more than just this

[hexed coral]

True! Roll20 works a treat

[crisp night]

DEADSOULS MOONCARVERS
SPITE BLACK MASS

YMIR, HEART OF ICE
      TRAITS       |      ACT      |   SOUL
- DREAD PRESENCE   | - DOOMBLADE   | - CYCLOPEAN MONOLITH
- MAGGOT DESTROYER | - FROZEN HELL | - SOULFEED
                   |               | - ETERNAL CURSE

PHOBOS AND DEIMOS - 2X SACRIFICE
AMALTHEA AND GANYMEDE - 2X CHOSEN
MIRANDA - 1X BANSHEE
KERBEROS - 1X BOUND DEVIL

this team might be terrible

but who cares

i think it'll be fun

[hexed coral]

ooh

[crisp night]

i'll work on a hatred team later

when i have a brain to think with

[hexed coral]

Deadsouls vs might be fun

[crisp night]

considering replacing an act or soul with a movement thing for the necro

but we'll see

[hexed coral]

Oh that's terrifying, you've basically made my team! :p

#1164643959721693184 message

Not exactly the same but

I wonder how a fight there would go

[glacial junco]

Streaming live play of a bunch of necromancers throwing bodies at eachother! in IPS-N hangout, Feel free to drop in and watch

no need to chat if you dont wanna

[crisp night]

haw haw

great (evil) minds think alike

i felt obligated to take the banshee even though i kind of feel like i would rather a vizigheist

but i want another source of putting up walls

[short cloud]

how do i actually... install all this?

[crisp night]

mayeb two chosens is enoug ht though

[hexed coral]

"Catch these walls" we both say, sending our scions to slap up bricks around the other. Thereby spontaneously building a house

[brittle otter]

Instructions are in the google doc

[crisp night]

yknow what fuck it im gonna go with the vizigheist

who needs a good team comp when you have a guy with a knife

[hexed coral]

Fair!

Plus the extra doom isn't a bad thing

I'll stick with the original

[crisp night]

changed banshee to vizigheist and changed eternal curse to disincorporate

eternal curse will be the first thing i take with more points

[short cloud]

does it have a manifest url or do i have to install this manually? im using an externally hosted server

[brittle otter]

Manual install

[hexed coral]

Interesting! Okay you gotta love teleports

[brittle otter]

You should be able to still dig into the data that's hosted on the server

[crisp night]

the maleghast assets you extract to the foundry>data>modules folder

unless you mean sumn different

[hexed coral]

I think sitting at a higher dark power level I might splice in some Carcass stuff

Just for better isolation work

[crisp night]

i have to consider what kind of heresy i want

for the inevitable heresy games i will play

[short cloud]

ok

[crisp night]

probly abhorrers

[hexed coral]

ooh max level games

[short cloud]

id have to sftp it onto the server, and im not about to do that

[hexed coral]

Three or less is a tough rule mind you

but I'm thinking something like

[brittle otter]

If I knew how to github I would have a url, but I am but a code bebe

[hexed coral]

Deadsouls isolate with Carcass Barrelforms

[short cloud]

that is ok

but yeah if you want to look into it, just a single url to install the module and the satus icons would be nice, esp for us enlightened externally hosted foundry server people

[primal nest]

Is there there a way to make a character start of with a status token when you pull them from the journal on roll20?

[patent steeple]

i thinkkkk u can do it by linking actor data?

i did it before for icon but i forgot the specifics

[primal nest]

Figured it out

Thx for the pointer Final

[patent steeple]

glad to be of help!

[primal nest]

(It is via update default token

[rugged cloud]

alright so the holy body is WAY stronger than I thought it would be

[hexed coral]

ooh interesting

[glacial junco]

Omg Igorri Chop doc can kill off units BEFORE the enemy gets to kill them in Blood Grinder

Minion denial

[short cloud]

do turns go back and forth for each unit like lancer or one side then the other

[patent steeple]

back and forth

[vague elbow]

lore-wise are necromancers generally dead, or pre-dead?

I couldn't really tell to be honest

[umbral cipher]

The difference doesn't quite seem to matter

Death doesn't stick for people in the city

And, well, that means the population doesn't go down, but the corpses stay plentiful

[crisp night]

if i had to guess, some flavor of pre-dead, if only in the case of the deadsouls

though

nvm

[hexed coral]

Oh?

[crisp night]

deadsouls units died to become what they are

but if they die for real

outside of the city where death is functioning

i think THAT'S how gormengorr gets em

[pale echo]

1 billion dead
2 hundred thousand alive
40 million unclear

[crisp night]

but because death just doesn't work in anzen gormengorr can't take their souls even if they fall in battle

this is pure speculation on my part

[hexed coral]

This one trick can let you avoid mortality

[crisp night]

it's just how i interpret it

i wonder what gormengorr looks like

i wonder what all of the devils look like

[hexed coral]

Mind you my guy isn't even really a Deadsoul Deadsoul

He's a headless perfectionist swordsman, I think whatever deal he made was just out of convenience

[hexed coral]

Oh same!

[crisp night]

does he still have the head lying around somewhere

or is it missing missing

[hexed coral]

Absolutely not I'm afriad

He cut it off himself

Burnt that thing

[crisp night]

most normal deadsouls necromancer

[hexed coral]

See it's all very logical

He has a perfect killing style

people can't see it and live

He's seen it

therefore, cut off your own head

can't see it

Easiest solution

[pale echo]

Can't argue with that

[hexed coral]

He's very famous for that

hence the whole

Beheader shtick

[crisp night]

haven't decided details on Ymir yet but i plan on turning them into a consistent character

[hexed coral]

All his servants are eyeless and or headless

[crisp night]

something something ice something

[hexed coral]

oh exciting, exciting. Something something permance of decay in the static hell of frozen lattices something something

or you know

normal things to say

[slow ferry]

me and a friend are playing our first round of MALEGHAST

C.A.R.C.A.S.S (me) vs Goregrinders (them)

[hexed coral]

Sick! Hope it goes well

[vague elbow]

thats a good way to do the soul counting

[hexed coral]

ooh that is good

[crisp night]

pit of snakes 👍

i think berserker should just climb down in there and eat the snakes

[slow ferry]

LMAO

just needed a marker for the hazard in the middle of pools of obliteration

[crisp night]

hey it's as good as any

[slow ferry]

this is all very slapdash with free r20 assets but it works

[crisp night]

i'm curious to see who wins in the matchup of zoner vs rushdown

good luck to you

[dense stratus]

ah so this is where the discussion is

[slow ferry]

will be sure to inform the discord of the results 🫡

[hexed coral]

Yes! do tell

[slow ferry]

EGIS went for a risky push against the warlord and carnifex; was trying to push into the stage hazard with the juggernaut 5+ push 2 but failed <:(

[glacial junco]

This map is HURTING the CARCASS

[hexed coral]

😔

[glacial junco]

The LOS blocking plant one

[slow ferry]

[dense stratus]

why is this plant here, alive when everything else is dead

[glacial junco]

Just a bunch of soldiers stareing at bushes

[dense stratus]

Indomitable spirit of an apple bush vs death killing bullets

[rugged cloud]

perfect necromancer body guard plus its artilery is INSANE

spend 3 vitality to screw up the enemies entire deal with no luck able to stop you
or get lucky rolling a d6 and turn their part of the map into a fucking mess

[hexed coral]

Oh jeez, you make a fair point

[rugged cloud]

all WITHOUT NEEDING LINE OF SIGHT

at least for Bolides

[keen ravine]

What would be a good military unit sounding name for a Carcass team that's still necromanc-y

[hexed coral]

1st Marrow Detachment?

[steep anchor]

some sort of death-y acronym

W.I.G.H.T Squadron, as an example

[glacial junco]

DEAD CELL

[keen ravine]

Spandau Ballet 🤔

Idk

[hexed coral]

Haha

[hexed coral]

Fast Emerging decAy paRtisans (or FEAR UNIT)

I...worked backwards from FEAR 😔

[keen ravine]

Also came up with EXIT WOUND BOYS but idk if that's militaristic enough

[halcyon wharf]

Oh man the LoL bushes map would be really rough on carcass

[glacial junco]

I'm streaming exactly that

@gray crystal How do you feel about this

[gray crystal]

it is unbelievably painful

all your artillery units are useless

ok not useless

but it certainly makes playing the game infinitely harder

[keen ravine]

naming one of my barrelforms heckler and the other koch 🤔

[hexed coral]

Oh a delight

[elfin ermine]

exactly

I want to try

Grand Oath + the Soul Turn 4+ thing and the upgrade

to just turn its artillery into 3 damage

and just KILL

[rugged cloud]

I was against Carcass and it might have just been the weird homemade map but I swept so hard that we legit didn’t even really get to use our round 4+ stuff

[glacial junco]

Hey can someone Define Dole Out?

Does that mean equal between targets?

[pale echo]

What page?

[glacial junco]

Infuse Mutagen, 57

[pale echo]

got it
It means "distribute." So I think you'd add one Strength to one character per corpse,

[glacial junco]

It does say one or 2 so does it need to be evenly distributed?

I know its silly to ask that but

[pale echo]

I don't think so

at least not as-written

[shut hare]

abhorrers necromancer has no armor, so would the "ignoring armor" part of this ignore vitality?

[pale echo]

no

[shut hare]

so vitality does prevent this damage then

[pale echo]

I think so

[hexed horizon]

No reason it shouldn't?

[shut hare]

so whats the point of mentioning it if this necromancer has no way of acquiring armor lol

[rugged cloud]

Future proofing

[hexed horizon]

Futureproofinmg

[shut hare]

i guess

[pale echo]

Abilities that add super armor to units

Including allies in team matches

[rugged cloud]

If hypothetically you homebrew something(a scenario, another faction that you heresy in) that adds some sort of armor

[patent steeple]

holy fuck

gargamox vs abhorrers

[crisp night]

how'd that turn out

[arctic solar]

heresy to get the ability on a carcass operator

[hexed coral]

That sounds very Gargamox favoured

as long as you can keep the abhorrers away at least

[naive glacier]

people love playing these games i get like 50 games of feedback instantly

i think this game is very fun to play though tbh so

we did a couple pvp playtests and each time i was like 'huh yeah ill tweak this and that but it was very fun to play'

[glacial junco]

Can i post a text file of questions or whats the way to add feedback because we have like 5 questions tbh

How do respawn timing work with Blood Grinder Senerio. 
1: If a unit dies when they activate do they get to continue their turn. 
 Do respawns have the same rules as base deployment in terms of enemy distance 
2: can my guy die and just respawn same place next to guy in 1v1v1?

How do tyrants interact with forest of thorn LOS blocking terrain
Similar question, Difficult terrain and Elevation. 

3. How much space till they are affected. 
3. If a tyrant walks into two squares of hazard at once do they take 2 seperate instances of 1 damage.

Bloodgrinder Do faction spawned hazardous terrain count towards point gain for enemy deaths. 
EX who does point go to 
4: Last person to hit the enemy before terrain kills? 
5: Does it go to Gargamox who placed it does it vanish?
6: Do splashes NEED los to affected victims
7: Do LINES need LOS to people on other side of bushes. ```

[naive glacier]

1. no 2. no 3. if they have 1 space outside they are ok 3. just affected once 4. no 5. no. 6. no. 7. no

[slow ferry]

FINISHED FIRST GAME OF MALEGHAST

[hexed coral]

YES

[slow ferry]

Pools of Obliteration, C.A.R.C.A.S.S. (me) vs Goregrinders (them); ranged dominance really did dominate versus the melee rush

[thick sphinx]

I guess the goregrinder necro wandered away from their bodyguards?

[slow ferry]

yes, neither of us used bodyblocking when we really should have

i got really good procs of the special zone extra dmg too

so that negated a lot of procs of Blood Rage

(shout out double tap fr)

[glacial junco]

I realize my first mistake was not numbering my questions so i'll see if i can fix that after this post.
Clarification on 2: So to fully understand enemies who die can be places within 2 spaces of an enemy As they respawn?

Thanks again we have really enjoyed this game so far! Definatly scratchs the skirmish game itch

[slow ferry]

someday would love to see a mini release

[glacial junco]

Fixed the question block for clarification I THINK

I'll structure the player questions with less double negatives to make them easy to answer in yes no format next time haha.

[slow ferry]

HUGE errors on first playthru:
we forgot abt graze
we forgot abt bodyblock

[dense stratus]

how long do a fight lasts usually?

[slow ferry]

ours lasted 3 rounds about 50 mins

[dense stratus]

looking to partake in one just to get a feel

[slow ferry]

but that was first play, we were still learning

will probably run a LOT faster on getting used to it

[bleak folio]

wait 50 mins the whole fight?

[slow ferry]

we were looking up a LOT of stuff

trial by fire learning

[bleak folio]

or 50 mins per round

[slow ferry]

50 mins altogether

[bleak folio]

wow that is fast

[dense stratus]

each unit doesn't seem that complicated to play

[slow ferry]

yeah i guess in hindsight and comparison to other wargames it was pretty fast

[dense stratus]

and even the necromancer is far more simplier than any lancer or icon characters

[slow ferry]

yeye, a lot of them (especially at malice 0 and no heresy) are very easy to grasp

[bleak folio]

> me with my 2-3 hour killteam fights
u could say that yea

[slow ferry]

KILLTEAM MENTIONED

but yeah

killteam... takes too damn long

[glacial junco]

We played 3 player free for all 4 rounds and it lasted i think 2 or 3 hours. but we were also joking around and rule clarifying a lot of things

I'll time it properly next time

[slow ferry]

^^^ the rule clarifying took a bit for sure

[bleak folio]

tbh im fine w/ killteam lasting 2-3 hours
cuz enough stuff happens in a skirmish that i dont feel the amount of time consuemd

anyways, masculine ghost

[slow ferry]

masculine ghost, send tweet

[primal nest]

Playing my first game

Does flying ignore hazards?

[crisp night]

yes

actually

hm

it does just say adverse terrain doesn't it

i guess just assume only adverse terrain then

[hexed coral]

Hope it goes well Salt!

[patent steeple]

played a game with abhorrers vs gargamox

3 rounds in 1 hour

friend brought 4 units worth of scum 💀

[arctic solar]

oh boy

[patent steeple]

ultimately lost to virulence after a big sword art: safflower cut that took out his entire scum frontline

holy body seems pretty important since its a good vitality generator

and hazard gen can kinda stun luck your units

cuz like

1 dmg at SoT
slay
come back with miracle at EoT

rince and repeat

[elfin ermine]

oh lmao

[patent steeple]

yeah its kinda a bad match up for abhorrers

but miracle + soul harvest procs are SO GOOD

after playing maleghast i can confirm that the game runs super smooth

we're gonna play a blood grinder game on hatred this weekend

thinking about carcass

[arctic solar]

soul harvest?

[patent steeple]

erm

the thing where u get +1 soul

when a unit is slain

[arctic solar]

oh
miracle doesn't give you more soul, it's only one soul harvest per unit

[patent steeple]

yeah i know

u get that soul proc 1/unit

its just nice to get the soul

[arctic solar]

oh I see

[patent steeple]

then for the unit to still stay in the fight

so ur not action econ negative

[shut hare]

real talk don't forget about antipriests vitality generation

absolution is 100% worth almost every turn after round 3 too

[umbral cipher]

HARVESTMAN
Rickertock Scion
MV 3 HP 4 DF 3+ ARM ARMOUR
Traits: 
Ghoulcore
ACT Abilities:
Scythe Through 
(Attack, Melee)
You may Step 1 before attacking. On Hit: Splash (self) 1 damage.
Razor Watch
(Melee, Self)
Until the start of this unit’s next turn, hostile units that move or are moved adjacent to it for the first time take 1 damage.
Wheat From Chaff 
(Curse, Recycle)
All hostile units within Range 2 take 3 Vulnerable (+4) and 2 Weak.

continuing to tinker

[patent steeple]

Malice: Hatred
Dark Power: 7

Units
-Barrel Form (Extended Barrel)
-2x Gunwight (Tactical Reload)
-CGIS Weapon (Gunner Pivot)
-Ammo Goblin (Hot Chamber)

Necromancer
Trait
-Clutch Reload
ACT
-Devil Bullet
-(Unholy Sixgun)
SOUL
-Double Tap
-(Bullet Sonata)
-(Bullet Hustle)```

list for my next game, thoughts?

[patent steeple]

yeah for sure

delay judgement came in super clutch

but my positioning was off

and i got outplayed with hazards

cuz ward doesnt block hazard damage

[umbral cipher]

I really wish I had a easy copy n' paste template for the unit blocks, they're so clean...

passing out for the night but the rest of the Rickertock roster is prolly gonna be String Witch (freak), Effigy (horror) and Harrowplow (tyrant)

[primal nest]

Lost

[hexed coral]

😔 was it a good fight though?

[primal nest]

3 scum got instantly obliterated by holy body

[hexed coral]

Oh jeez

Abhorrer gaming I guess

[patent steeple]

i ran the same match up and lost lol

didnt run holy body though

[primal nest]

One penitent rolled a got all my plague tokens off and gained 5 strength

All round 1

I dunno how to play this matchup

[dense stratus]

oh, this is annoying

[tame matrix]

Does the Operator's Hot Clip triggers giving them Strength only when they use their move to reload, or whenever any effect causes them to reload?

[dense stratus]

I can't use ctrl+f to find word I'm looking for

[patent steeple]

yeah

its all images

[halcyon wharf]

I have an OCR'd version I made myself but idk if I should offer it or what

Cause that was bugging me

[dense stratus]

okay I think I got an idea

[thick sphinx]

I'd assume any time

[timid fable]

Results of the first game, goregrinders are spooky

[thick sphinx]

Exxxxxxxxelent

[timid fable]

And doomed is only good if you can actually apply it

[tame matrix]

That makes sense otherwise Operator would have way too many abilities that are just anti-synergistic with it, but I thought I'd check

[dense stratus]

Malice: Spite
Dark Power: 0

Units
-4x Warhead
-2x Painwheel
-Berserker

Necromancer
Trait
-Nerve Twitch
ACT
-Quench
SOUL
-Killing Spree```

Goregrinders looks like my game so, this should be what I'm looking for

[arctic solar]

I like it

[thick sphinx]

I think it comes down to how you set up your mass initially? Even killing them can get a chunk of plague tokens on your own units

[dense stratus]

the idea is that I stick to my Berserker and just sucks up all the negative tokens (because big target) and fuck up people with it

[hexed coral]

Sounds like a plan!

[dense stratus]

the warhead and painwheel are just gonna fuck shit up by moving everywhere\

[patent steeple]

yeah i had the exact opposite result with the same match up

so like

depends on how u play it i think

[thick sphinx]

Your thoughts are very similar to mine

[timber onyx]

whos gonna make the first maleghast tier list

[arctic solar]

my big concern with goregrinder is usually armor but you've got a couple painwheels to help with that

[timber onyx]

unless we already got one

[thick sphinx]

I really want to throw a painghoul in there though

[primal nest]

The thing is

Indignation is range 6

[dense stratus]

might be good to replace 2 of the warhead with a painglove, but I don't even really know how this would work yet so

[primal nest]

There’s no where safe for them where they don’t die

[thick sphinx]

Nope. Just gotta find a way to profit from their deaths

[primal nest]

And I did set it up right were I got 3 plague tokens on my leech and Necro

And I did set up a pretty decent slime form

I just shouldn’t have moved on my turn and let the penitent in

[thick sphinx]

I was thinking of swapping out a painwheel, much as I love them

[primal nest]

Also how you y’all interpret this?

[pale echo]

it means stacking Armor and Super doesn't get you anything better than Super

[arctic solar]

^

[pale echo]

no double-reduction

[primal nest]

So armor blocks all of 1 dmg multihits?

[pale echo]

Yep

[arctic solar]

yes, and that's explicit elsewhere in the text

[primal nest]

Yeees

[patent steeple]

yeah its just about coverage of dmg types

[dense stratus]

armor of any kind blocks glaze damage right?

[primal nest]

Not if it has strength

[thick sphinx]

Graze inherits damage types

[dense stratus]

okay

[patent steeple]

depends on the type of damage

[arctic solar]

it inherts- yeah

[thick sphinx]

(How that works with weapons that deal multiple types of damage, I do not know)

[arctic solar]

most of them do that second type as an effect

so I think you'd go with the 'on-hit' part

[thick sphinx]

Pilebunker, E.G.

[arctic solar]

oh rip

I guess first damage type?

[thick sphinx]

That seems like a reasonable assumption

[primal nest]

What does the later part mean in this case?

[pale echo]

Effect dice?

[arctic solar]

it's descriptive- if you have 2 strength tokens and an attack that deals 1 damage twice

you are happy

[pale echo]

That's something that some abilities roll. but not if they miss

[arctic solar]

I don't think that quite follows in this case

[thick sphinx]

Some actions have Effects that require a roll

[arctic solar]

sorry, I feel like I'm missing something- this looks like a non sequitur to me

[thick sphinx]

Some of those only matter on-hit in the case of attacks

[primal nest]

Alright Mox players

I summon thee

Need tips on the abhorrers matchup

[arctic solar]

like the mirror?

oh

[primal nest]

Sry typo

Cuz like

[arctic solar]

with my 0 games of experience:
I think you need to lean hard into hazards
penitents obliterate plague even if they roll a 1

[primal nest]

Mox seems bad at finishing off things and this seems like the worst matchup for that

[patent steeple]

yes

hazards demolished me (abhorrent player)

[primal nest]

I was made fully away if that lol

[arctic solar]

like I would look at going 2x hosts maybe?

[dense stratus]

oh there's already foundryvtt for Maleghast already, nice

[patent steeple]

theres two

i used the icon system one

cuz u could post to chat

but both work

[arctic solar]

their big defense stuff requires adjacency so make the field miserable
hazards strip vitality tokens from holy bodies even with super armor which is nice

like 2x rotten / 2x host / 1x2 scum could be good?

[patent steeple]

scum and hosts are a fantastic combo

[arctic solar]

use the scum to fuel the rotten's Plaguebearer

[patent steeple]

actually got a question

[shut hare]

scum are easily dealt with by holy body’s though

[thick sphinx]

Plus plague tokens if they do stay shut down Miracle nicely, assuming creatures keep their tokens when revived via miracle

[patent steeple]

do u get 1 soul for every thrall, even if they part of a two unit

like

[shut hare]

yea

[patent steeple]

is it 1 soul for every 2 thralls?

or 1 soul for every thrall

[arctic solar]

the latter

[thick sphinx]

(Also curious what happens if you consume a unit with Miracle's corpse)

[patent steeple]

okay

[shut hare]

yeah it’s 1 soul per thrall

[arctic solar]

the scum are literally just there for fuel
leeches would do very little here, a slime is... okay but not good

[silent sluice]

Do people feel strongly about listing your necromancer above or below your units?

[patent steeple]

hmmmmm

personally i like it above

but its listed below on the faction sheets

so it could go either way

i think it being above makes sense personally

[silent sluice]

you've been listing it below tho lmao

[bleak folio]

not me getting gender envy from the igorri iconic and the igorri necro

[arctic solar]

also I think your 'ideal number' of plague on enemies is 1 at a time and spread out
penitents cleansing only one plague token is waaay sadder

[patent steeple]

oh i assumed u were talking about the google sheet or what have you

[arctic solar]

penitents are still super armor though.... hm

there's an argument to pick up necrocide/carniphagous blade just for the strength

gives you a lot of strength to spend on Big Virulence

[silent sluice]

it's for the roster output

whatever

[patent steeple]

oh i see

yeah for the output i like it on the bottom

depends on the formatting i guess

[thick sphinx]

Necrocide does seem excellent

[thick sphinx]

I like how folks have had it on the bottom so far

[tiny fulcrum]

If a Zealot misses Whirling Chain while Smite is active, does it still deal additional damage? If not, does Smite then end with no effect?

[primal nest]

Ye the comp I was doing was scum x4, leech x2, Rotten, Corpse Explosion, Corruptor, Insides Out

[silent sluice]

rrrgghh

[thick sphinx]

That I have no idea on

[primal nest]

They hand Holy Body, Antipriest, zealot and 2 penitents

[arctic solar]

penitents are just very very bulky

super armor is crazy

[patent steeple]

what are ppl's thoughts on ACT vs SOUL abilities to grab?

[primal nest]

corpse violet
starmetal shuriken
grace

[arctic solar]

I think you have to like
outvalue them with hazards or something

[primal nest]

Also do hazards go through vit?

I assume not

[thick sphinx]

Don't think so

[arctic solar]

hazards ignore armor huh

but they don't bypass vit

TIL

okay that's a game plan

that's actually crazy value wow

[crisp night]

i think the matchup i'm most curious about currently is deadsouls vs abhorrers
i want to know if the setup and isolation (and doom damage, if you're lucky) is enough to stop the snowball from crushing you at later rounds

[primal nest]

Yeah I dunno what to do against abhorrers as mox

[arctic solar]

I think I'm doubling down on the hazard advice now that I know it's armor piercing

mix in some scum as batteries as desired

[thick sphinx]

Issue is they only trigger on an opponent's turn and only if they try to move or you can force them to move

Be good against Goregrinders

Since they wouldn't trigger retaliation

[arctic solar]

insides out is probably pretty strong

puts the hazard right under them

[hexed coral]

I'm wanting to know this too actually, given the amount of Abhorrer fans there are

[arctic solar]

scourge might be OK if they're trying to make a murderblob

[thick sphinx]

Actually, is the Painwheel's Spin Out limited by its own move value (+ speed token, if available) or can it go from one side of the board to the other if there's a straight line path?

[arctic solar]

it uses MOVE in capital letters so I think it's limited by move value

but otoh painwheels are fast af

[thick sphinx]

Agree, yeah

[crisp night]

i feel like deadsouls have a good advantage in that they all have ward which means holy body's indignation is far less potent

[hexed coral]

That's true

[crisp night]

though as far as i remember (and i can't check the pdf right now) abhorrers are mostly physical damage besides that

except for penitent's holy water

[hexed coral]

I think you're correct yeah

[primal nest]

It’s cuz like counter picking my friend feels weird

[hexed coral]

As long as they can be isolated and kept into what I'm calling the fuck corners(tm) I reckon it'll be good

[crisp night]

ward is useful very situationally (not that i think it's bad) because the two factions who lean super hard on non physical damage are deadsouls, which is the mirror match, and mox, which could be very useful but plague ignores armor

obviously their other toxic attacks would be mitigated more but

i digress

[hexed coral]

Mhm mhm

[crisp night]

i'm just generally interested to see how the matchups play out

for every faction but mostly deadsouls because they're my favorite

[hexed coral]

Glad to see you've come over to the most sick side

[crisp night]

i hope bound devil is as useful as he seems on first glance because he's too goddamn cool looking for me not to use

[hexed coral]

^^

Bound Devil slaps

[crisp night]

omnipresence seems ridiculous if used right

[hexed coral]

Oh absolutely

get pulled moron

name of the game

[thick sphinx]

I need to set things up so I can blast Tower of Torsos while playing Goregrinders

[crisp night]

i have a black metal playlist in the works for when i play deadsouls

can i just say; every scion seems genuinely useful (as does every unit, all of them have a purpose) but chosen are just so fucking goofy

in a good way

[hexed coral]

Chosen are wack and I love them

[thick sphinx]

I think Deadsouls v. CARCASS will be an interesting position-fight

[crisp night]

like yeah what if i make twenty walls and then yank you through it like homer simpson through a hedge

[thick sphinx]

Since one wants opponents to be spread out and the other wants their units to stay together

[crisp night]

i think one of the mods (eld, if i remember correctly) did a carcass v deadsouls match and talked about how being able to put up walls everywhere to block ranged line of sight and get cover was a real hassle

carcass lost that one

but that was his first match (i think, don't take my word for it my brain is full of holes)

and it was only on spite

of course as you go higher in malice both sides get more options but i feel liek in certain matchups and with certain factions those options may matter more

for one side more than the other

[thick sphinx]

I think there were also lessons learned on remembering that you can destroy walls quite easily

[crisp night]

yes that too

i hope carcass ends up being good

i mean i hope every faction is good but

i have the most concerns about carcass

i feel like they hinge a lot on back-and-forthing space because just straight up holding a position is never that easy

but that's why they have enforcers ay

and why gunwights have baton

man i really need to play this game

[hexed coral]

^

[crisp night]

i almost have my foundry set up to play i just need to make some maps and figure out how to port the map into forge

[hexed coral]

Can’t stop wanting a good skrimmage of it

[languid lotus]

hmmm. do want to play maleghast at some point, main concerns are 1) figuring out the map & vtt and 2) finding someone to play with

[crisp night]

"figure out" i know how i just havent done it in a bit

[hexed coral]

Just slap the prints of the maps on your screen

Mind you I’ve only done demos of Foundry

I don’t have 50$ to spend on it 😔

[crisp night]

i did because i am a little bit too insane about lancer

and now maleghast

[hexed coral]

Hey welcome to the club

I’ve been writing about the same dude in Lancer for a billion years

[crisp night]

it was worth it though i've still only done one campaign in lancer and it was very short (i don't even consider it a real campaign with how loosey goosey it was) but it was very fun with foundry

and sometime soon i'll be running another much bigger one so i'm looking forward to that too

[hexed coral]

Oh sick! Hope that goes well

[crisp night]

see the best part about running my own campaign is i can put my lancer ocs in as plot important npcs

and nobody can stop me

[hexed coral]

Doing the same thing except now I can make my special fella worse

Let me know if you get the Foundry thing set up though! Be more than happy to volunteer for a skirmish

[crisp night]

i intend to either get mine working tomorrow (Technically today, whatever, time is a construct) or friday and once i run some games with some close friends to make sure i have the kinks worked out and the rust scraped off i'll probably start going around looking for battles in here

deadsouls mirror match might be incredibly stupid

in a funny way

[hexed coral]

Oh no doubt

[crisp night]

every mirror seems funny dumb

[hexed coral]

It’ll just be us doing six turns of wall building

[languid lotus]

main concerns for picking a vtt are 1) not enough money for foundry, 2) roll20 is a digital garbage fire, 3) i have no idea how to work owlbear rodeo

[hexed coral]

No damage, just construction of a necromancer Domino’s

[thick sphinx]

I can't wait to see every unit dying to Doom at the same time

[languid lotus]

where can i find the prints?

[crisp night]

carcass sitting at opposite corners of the map just shooting each other, goregrinders literally ending the match in 1 or 2 rounds, gargamox setting up poison and plague and traps that don't actually hurt each other, deadsouls playing fucking hell tetris, abhorrers sitting around until round 5 at which point they kill each other instantly, and igorri turning the entire map into a fleshpit

[hexed coral]

Oh ah, pdf and print them I suppose. Was mostly just joking.

[thick sphinx]

ISOCon is an option, I think those folks are working on making it work with maleghast

[hexed coral]

Oh hell Tetris sounds like a blast. Mirror match, ultrahell level, Deadsoul V Deadsoul. EVERYONE GETS A BUILDING

[patent steeple]

yeah delz said hes gonna try and get it working this week

[crisp night]

i'm very glad that maleghast exists also because i can get more value out of my foundry/forge now

[thick sphinx]

"...playing fucking hell tetris" is a great quote

[crisp night]

i mean what else do you call it

hell prop hunt is another good way to put it

[languid lotus]

roman warfare? they were known for building walls

[hexed coral]

Who wins in the mystical game of the t block, that’s the question

[crisp night]

i just had the very stupid but very funny idea of a team build entirely around putting up as many walls as possible around a bound devil just for the purpose of letting it use limb from limb over and over

to get maximum benefits

[hexed coral]

Oh that sounds hilarious

Put all your upgrades into walls and the bound devil

[crisp night]

limb from limb is scary i think the first time i read it i didnt understand the wording

but now i do

[hexed coral]

And that’s the game plan

[crisp night]

and having a chance at hitting 4 times in a single attack is

Hooh

oh wait no i read it wrong again lol

[hexed coral]

I mean, the calculations alone

[crisp night]

3 times

still

[hexed coral]

Oh haha

[crisp night]

i thought it was 1 damage plus a maximum of three more times but i thiiiink it means a maximum of 3 total

[arctic solar]

igorri mirror is actually two rats fighting over a chicken bone

[crisp night]

still; very strong especially with the Step added in

[crisp night]

two rats in an oil drum

[hexed coral]

Absolutely

Two raccoons in an oil field

[crisp night]

igorri is such a funny faction

they're the most chill

[hexed coral]

They seem happy enough

[smoky pecan]

Igorri based tbh

[crisp night]

i mean sure they're still weird biofreaks and flesh sculpters but

[hexed coral]

That’s a profession!

[crisp night]

they're not outwardly malevolent

[hexed coral]

And they’re enjoying it

Let them be

[smoky pecan]

I too need multiple arms

[thick sphinx]

Just realized... we need a crab or lobster-based necromancer house

[languid lotus]

igorri carcinization

[thick sphinx]

I knew there was a reason I liked them

[crisp night]

carcass are mercs, goregrinders are...goregrinders, gargamox don't seem like they'd be outwardly hostile from their lore tab but i can't imagine toxic sludge wizards are all too friendly, deadsouls are hypercultists, abhorrers hate necromancy (or so they say)

igorri is the most chill

[keen ravine]

Killer Junior or Ms. Scrimshaw for a bubble gum pop Carcass nercomerc gal

[tiny fulcrum]

The Goregrinder Berserker should have Blood Rage in place of Formation, right?

Since Machineheart says "1hp or lower"

[languid lotus]

probably

[hexed coral]

Killer Junior I like more

[crisp night]

agreed, killer junior

[tiny fulcrum]

And wouldn't include "or lower" if it didn't have Blood Rage

[hexed coral]

Because it can be abbreviated to KJ

Which is cute!

[smoky pecan]

Nah we need a wholeass pirate crew. Drowned Dead is a great aesthetic

[hexed coral]

And also a nice shock value when it gets properly revealed

[keen ravine]

Incheresting

[crisp night]

yeah that was put in an errata doc and will be fixed eventually probably 👍

[keen ravine]

this does imply the existence of a killer senior though

[crisp night]

once tom has had his (extremely well deserved) rest

[tiny fulcrum]

I'll play it as if it's Blood Rage then

Coolio

[hexed coral]

Her adoptive uncle

[thick sphinx]

Pour que no los dos?

[crisp night]

also yeah i think some kind of aquatic/maritime undead faction would be excellent

[arctic solar]

okay question
if something says it ignores armor does it ignore super armor
my read might be 'no' which makes abhorrors spookier than I thought

[lethal trench]

I'd assume yes

[crisp night]

if it's lowercase armor

then yes

if it's uppercase ARM

then no

[thick sphinx]

Slowly raises the water level, gets bonuses for being elevated

[crisp night]

lowercase armor just generally means the entire concept of having armor

[lethal trench]

Inquisitors are pretty great for that

They are also really squishy though

[crisp night]

inquisitors fuckin scare me

[thick sphinx]

Or maybe gets bonuses for fighting in adverse terrain?

[crisp night]

winch be like

[arctic solar]

wondering because I see a bunch of stuff that ignores ward (lowercase)

[tiny fulcrum]

Inquisitors at least have 4hp

stares at Antipriest

[crisp night]

oh really? hmmmmmmmmmm

that does muddy things dunnit

[hexed coral]

It does!

[crisp night]

uhhhh go with whatever's funnier

[smoky pecan]

We need a drowned dead faction and a fungal/plant faction

[lethal trench]

I've gotten my Inquisitors killed pretty quick a few times if they get caught out

[crisp night]

PLEASE i love fungus

[languid lotus]

there's always reflavoring

[lethal trench]

But they do slap a lot, especially once you hit round 3+

[tiny fulcrum]

I honestly wasn't super impressed with Abhorrers from what I played today, though that might just be my teamcomp

[crisp night]

i grow mushrooms off of log colonies and edible ones grow in my backyard at home i love mushrooms

[smoky pecan]

I think of the soldiers from Darkest Dungeon 2, The Tangle guys

[thick sphinx]

Mind pointing me at something that ignores Ward? Searching is hard

[arctic solar]

let me see if I can find it b/c I may be hallucinating

[tiny fulcrum]

Going up against Igorri they got a lot of tokens fucking fast

[thick sphinx]

Something that spores to make more thralls...

[tiny fulcrum]

And I missed every Smite Whirling Flail

[lethal trench]

I ran two fights today, with double Inquisitor, one each of Zealot and Penitent, and Holy Body

[crisp night]

actually wait yeah lowercase armor should just be all types of armor

toxic isn't affected by ARM

only WARD and SUPER

so its use here implies that lowercase armor is just the blanket term

[lethal trench]

Holy Body has been performing way better than I expected

[crisp night]

holy body seems scary

[tiny fulcrum]

Holy Body is really good yeah

[crisp night]

befitting of its design

[smoky pecan]

Gargamox already have the trash sewer mage thing so the fungoid folks should be more like gardeners

[lethal trench]

It's incredibly tough, and has long range damage

Bolides is super good

[crisp night]

what a cool name for an ability too

[lethal trench]

Unless you're up against Gargamox I guess

[arctic solar]

Plaguelord's Unholy Vapors optional Soul ability

[lethal trench]

Hazards in general really strong, much better than I thought

[patent steeple]

yeah plague hurts

[thick sphinx]

Would Smite boost the damage of the graze?

[tiny fulcrum]

My team comp was 2x Zealot, Penitent, Antipriest and Holy Body

[tiny fulcrum]

That's the thing, I have no idea

[patent steeple]

hazards are super strong against abhorrents

[arctic solar]

Also Melt, the ACT optional from the same page

[lethal trench]

I wasn't super convinced by the Antipriest just reading it

[silent sluice]

📨💀 📜

As always, please let me know if you run into any problems or errors or if you have any suggestions.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZGHNonr32z1FgrJwC27VipCaeFCb8WDIp4PnSdk7wnA/edit?usp=sharing

[hexed coral]

Yooo

It’s out.

[tiny fulcrum]

Imo the Antipriest is not good

[crisp night]

🙏

[thick sphinx]

So it does. Templating issue?

[lethal trench]

All the other Abhorrer units just seem way better

[tiny fulcrum]

It's amazingly fragile and doesn't do enough even when it lives

[arctic solar]

Guessing so
Am on mobile but will add to the errata doc when I can

[hexed coral]

@primal crypt apologies for the extreme amount of pings for the day. Hate to ask, but could you pin this? Ffzdf made a fantastic sheet and it’ll be useful for team comps and such

[crisp night]

i think most of antipriest's value comes from delay judgement

[tiny fulcrum]

Folks you dont gotta ping a mod to ping a thing

I can do it

[crisp night]

which seems EXTREMELY useful if used correctly

[hexed coral]

Oh right

[hexed coral]

Haha I totally forgot!

[lethal trench]

Penitent slap, Zealots got hit and run shenanigans, Inquisitors just hit hard, Holy Body is a huge wall

[hexed coral]

Mb Briar, I always forget there’s layers to all this

That’s on me

[tiny fulcrum]

all good!

I do think Zealot's usefulness is really contingent on how Smite actually works

If it affects Graze damage they're good, really quite dangerous

[crisp night]

i think it should get extra damage even on graze from smite

[lethal trench]

I did make a mistake in my second game, which was against Carcass
Underestimated Gunwights, and they just shot up my Penitent

[crisp night]

cant see why it wouldnt

[tiny fulcrum]

If it doesn't it feels so fuckin bad to whiff

[crisp night]

gunwights are freaky

[hexed coral]

I’m not too brushed up on the Abhorrers, but I like the Zealot and Holy body of course

[crisp night]

good freaky

[hexed coral]

Very good

Battery fire with those guys is awesome

[lethal trench]

I would like some clarification on Smite yeah

[tiny fulcrum]

And I whiffed every Smite today

lol

[hexed coral]

Ack, sorry

[lethal trench]

The thing I'm also still wondering is when you check the round count for Smite bonus

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah that's also a good question

[thick sphinx]

AoE and Strength is my big question right now

I assume it's the round you use Smite, but I could be wrong

[crisp night]

i assume when you actually use whirling chain is when it calculates but that's a baseless assumption

[lethal trench]

Because its a big difference potentially
I did play it as checking when the attack happens, which makes round 2 Smite into round 3 Chain quite dangerous

[crisp night]

i always round up

[lethal trench]

Because that's 3 damage

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah

it's also, you know

2 turns of low to no damage

[lethal trench]

And then you move out again because odd round

[hexed coral]

Right yeah

And you’d want something more instantly impactful in my mind

I know ramping is good though

[tiny fulcrum]

Compare it to a Hellwheel that can hard dive a backline day 1 and potentially deal 5 damage turn 2

[lethal trench]

If I play again, I might swap out the Zealot for a second Penitent

[crisp night]

penitents are awesome

[lethal trench]

Yeah that's fair

[crisp night]

scions are my favorite unit type becase they're always so versatile

[tiny fulcrum]

Painwheel, even

[crisp night]

which i suppose is the point

[thick sphinx]

Notably Painwheels get schrecked by Ward though

[crisp night]

except carnifex carnifex is pretty much the standard goregrinder "i'm gonna turn you to mincemeat" heavy

not that that's a bad thing

[tiny fulcrum]

Goregrinders in general have a hard time into DR but they can get a lot of strength tokens

[hexed coral]

^

[thick sphinx]

Also having all of your units in a single line would be... well, pretty funny actually

[hexed coral]

It’s reliable, it’s scary. It’s Goregrinders! What more could you want

[tiny fulcrum]

Painwheels get Speed (which is also Strength for them) off Spin Out, Pain Ghouls can give them more

You can also Ignite for flat strength and that's only 1 SOUL

[lethal trench]

I'm also still playing around with what upgrades to take on my Exorcist, but that'll get more interesting on higher Malice

I used the step stance, shuriken, and Safflower Cut this time

[languid lotus]

i've got a build hold on

[lethal trench]

Safflower seemed pretty good as a flexible damage add

[languid lotus]

DP0 (Spite) Goregrinders

• 1x Warlord
  • Blood Drinker
  • Apoplexy
  • Hellrider Kick
• 1x Painwheel
• 1x Carnifex
• 4x Warhead
• If Duel: extra Painwheel

[patent steeple]

testing out the excel sheet format

<Sixty Sixth Special Operations Division>

House: CARCASS
Malice: Hatred (7) | Unit Limit: 5

[Units]
1x EGIS Weapon (Heavy Caliber Cannon)
4x Gunwight (Tactical Reload)
1x Barrelform (Extended Barrel)
1x Ammo Goblin (Hot Chamber)

[Necromancer]
Operator <Cpt. ABATHAIN>
Bonus Trait: Clutch Reload

[ACT Upgrades]
Unholy Sixgun | Devil Bullet

[SOUL Upgrades]
Bullet Hustle | Double Tap | Bullet Sonata

[languid lotus]

the idea is: send my Assorted Fuckers wheeling right through the opfor

wait a sec carnifexes do the Bullshit Charge as well kinda

[patent steeple]

i wonder if theres a better way to show 2 unit slots of thralls (each has 2 units)

and it doesnt seem like u can select trait upgrades with dark power?

[languid lotus]

perhaps 2xN? e.g. 2x2 for two slots' worth (four thralls)

[tiny fulcrum]

yeah Carnifex does the Bullshit Charge except it cant move through units and it's a 3x3 line of damage

[arctic solar]

I like it as Nx2

[patent steeple]

my suggestion would be for them to be different lines

[arctic solar]

easier to read down the line

[patent steeple]

so like

2x2 Gunwight?

[languid lotus]

yea that may works better

[languid lotus]

yea

[patent steeple]

@silent sluice thoughts?

[languid lotus]

or 2x2 warhead, going off the build i posted

[crisp night]

i understand why they're called warheads but it makes me think they're missiles

which. they kind of are

missiles with legs and anger issues

[languid lotus]

it's descriptive in two entirely distinct ways!

[silent sluice]

That's because you can't do that

[lethal trench]

You only get one trait ever

[tiny fulcrum]

They legitimately are

[patent steeple]

oh huh

i thought u could get more

[lethal trench]

You can only buy extra Act and Soul upgrades

[patent steeple]

accidentally did that for my game

never got to round 4 though

[tiny fulcrum]

I've seen people think Warheads are bad but they seem fantastic