MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST

[deft marsh]

War Cry with warhammer fantasy would also be a reference point

[sleek nebula]

the art goes crazy ngl

[languid lotus]

you are a necromancer, go fuck up other necromancers. it's a skirmish-scale wargame, you've got units consisting of various necrobeings

[half turtle]

So it's less a TTRPG more

"Alright here's some shit to fight go at it"

[deft marsh]

i think its also adverserial, like you vs another person

[half turtle]

Neat

[languid lotus]

really it's more "go fight each other", it's pvp

[deft marsh]

like you and someone else, or you and 3 other someone elses build your teams

and duke it out

[patent steeple]

yeah

[pale echo]

Freaky dice chess

[half turtle]

Next Halloween I might run some Maleghast at my hni

[patent steeple]

i dont play lots of wargames but its in an adjacent design space

[half turtle]

*uni

[patent steeple]

nice

honestly yeah, i was actually thinking of not running holy body on abhorrers

[arctic solar]

holy body is interesting
3 HP but super armor

[uneven prawn]

holy body sitting right next to two antipriests spamming gentleness for that mass free vitality

[patent steeple]

it also starts with 6 vitality tokens

[arctic solar]

I do like bolides on it tbh

make the battlefield suck for everyone else, pseudo-aoe

[patent steeple]

personally i was thinking of running something like penitents and inquistors

zealot looks super fucking fun too

i think my abhorrer list will look prob something like that so i can get lots of soul lmao

[uneven prawn]

inquisitors and a holy body with an antipriest, choosing decree of forbiddance and sword art: safflower cut as an abhorrer

by the end everyone will abhor me instead

[arctic solar]

I'm honestly staring down gunwight spam behind enforcer cover

[uneven prawn]

im literally just sitting there being annoying

[patent steeple]

oh yeah carcass shieldwall looks sick

[uneven prawn]

the goregrinder matchup will be feast or famine

someone is gonna end the battle thinking their faction sucks

honestly, more games should come with metal playlists to get you into the mood of it

[patent steeple]

igorri seems like the high skill ceiling faction

[night hedge]

gargamoxx vs gargamoxx fights seem like they'd be interesting

[patent steeple]

my god

[night hedge]

just, everyone going mmm yum plague

[uneven prawn]

igorri vs igorri be like mmm yum body parts

[night hedge]

yeah, their only durability comes from their death defiance thing, as such it's just try and rush rush rush

[arctic solar]

I mean death defiance is quite good
it's functionally +1-2 hit points

[pale echo]

Hadn't even thought about mirror matches

[night hedge]

gore grinder vs gore grinder is carnage, as it should be

[arctic solar]

carcass mirror matches: 6 round stare down over no-man's-land

[languid lotus]

igorri mirror matches are some BullShit

[night hedge]

the carcass necros staring each other down from 8 spaces away

[patent steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-starwars-whotalksfirst-dating-gif-5251788

carcass necros be like

[arctic solar]

2x barrelforms on both sides at exactly range 7 from each other

[night hedge]

1 gun wight moved forwards a bit and got OBLITERATE'd

[arctic solar]

honestly that might be the play

[primal nest]

the book is mine

[arctic solar]

just generate SOUL for Bullet Time spam

[patent steeple]

soul chains are gonna be insane

[night hedge]

negative token clear is practically mandatory to fight dead souls effectively, unless you're gore grinders in which case you rush even harder

[arctic solar]

you can clear doomed by slaying which is quite nice

[patent steeple]

okay igorri or abhorrers seem like the big soul reaction factions

im in it

[opaque socket]

Mmmh

i do wish the pdf had selectable text

seems every page is an image

[uneven prawn]

is there even a gliding scale for aggressiveness when it comes to goregrinders? to me it looks like a switch that says "kill?" and both sides of it say "yes"

[patent steeple]

yeah its no ctrl-f able

[night hedge]

ok dead souls are really high defence, 5+'s are super good

[night hedge]

seems it

you're running on a razor's edge

[willow gust]

What’s the dead souls tyrant called?

[night hedge]

bound devil

[silent sluice]

it's bookmarked at least, so that's nice

[patent steeple]

u can go for pain ghouls and pain wheels

[deft marsh]

i fucking love how each house has a listening guide

[night hedge]

holy shit omnipresence

[patent steeple]

then stuff like overclock and quench for more speed tokens or token removal

[night hedge]

teleports behind you: nothin personnel kid

bound devil is super cool

[patent steeple]

im a big fan of vizighast

[night hedge]

i think when heresy-ing bound devil is gonna be one of the more popular picks

altho i'm not all the way through yet so

[umbral cipher]

These are all sick

[patent steeple]

antipriest seems like good synergy for goregrinders

[uneven prawn]

personal house rule: committing heresy should not allow you to take a unit type your faction doesnt have access to (this solves no problems and reinforces no aesthetic or mechanical themes. i simply feel like its cool for a metal themed game to permanently deprive you of the one thing you want)

also the filth devil would probably eat any gargamox necromancer who brings in a bitch-ass tyrant ngl

[deft marsh]

i feel like this game would rock with a crypt of the necrodancer turned heavy metal vibe

also im kinda liking hte igori

i like hte sound of fast adaptations

[silent sluice]

With Heresy, does it count individual units or just the unit types? I'm leaning towards the former but I'm not sure.

[deft marsh]

i think its the former?

[night hedge]

penitents got super armour goddam

[patent steeple]

former

abhorrers need that armor to survive

funny thing about ward is physical still gets through it

its like magical vs physical armor

very cool

[pale echo]

Unit types

wait maybe not

Heresy budget is individual units, dark power upgrade budget is types. Got it

[uneven prawn]

you, weak: "i need to account for the chance that my miracle roll does not go in my favor, but if it does how will i take the best advantage of it?"
me, strong: "all my units return after death, i will never roll below a 5"

[patent steeple]

just units, as long as you obey general type limits

[deft marsh]

alternatively, become joyously surprised every single time one comes back to life

[umbral cipher]

I'm into the vibes of Carcass and Deadsouls but like
Everybody is rad here

[deft marsh]

as if you werent aware of the mechanic

"Oh my god, they come back to life. It's a MIRACLE!"

[patent steeple]

winks at the camera

[short cloud]

CARCASS gang

[uneven prawn]

my greedy goblin brain cannot stop itself from thinking about how the game can be expanded even though i literally havent gotten the chance to play it yet

[umbral cipher]

I'm very tempted to have a crew of nothing but Warhead thralls or something

[deft marsh]

i just like the idea of playing and covering my bases as i discover i have bases

by adapting

appeals to my desire to not plan

but also goregrinders vibe with only having one plan

[uneven prawn]

imagine lesser necromantic houses that you can use to supplement your black mass with like one unit maybe, or a different ability on your necromancer

[deft marsh]

im also a tau player in warhammer, so carcass has my attention

[uneven prawn]

factions that cant be played but added on top of your faction

[pale echo]

I love not planning

[night hedge]

run that with the furious roar act on your necromancer and just speed up the board

[deft marsh]

Igori gang gang

"New problem? Ok new solution"

[patent steeple]

its time for homebrew factions

[short cloud]

eternally based for having 2v2 support baked in

[deft marsh]

also carcass having migitsune on their soundtrack is bonus points

[umbral cipher]

Goregrinders really nothing but 'Go Fast And Blast Ass'

It rocks

[patent steeple]

i love how this calls out voice calls 😌

[uneven prawn]

im fairly certain that the PDF specifically calls this out, but i just realized you can just take one of each unit from your faction and not think any further about it

my brain is like a bowl of thick porridge

why did that take me so long

[patent steeple]

yeah u can

the pdf even says start and spite

[halcyon wharf]

Whoa no ocr in the pdf

I wonder how that happened its weird with this formatting

[deft marsh]

new voice call strats

putting as many A's in your name at the beginning as possible

[halcyon wharf]

I wonder how hard it'd be to cook up some automation in Foundry

[deft marsh]

Hello freinds, my name is AAormtalus

[halcyon wharf]

Not doing it today though

[deft marsh]

Looks like I get to go first

[random onyx]

You are like a little baby, watch this

Adjusts my name between turns so I get to keep taking turns back to back by moving down the list

[deft marsh]

lol

[patent steeple]

prob not too hard, i think all u need is the prerequiste compendiums and some dice rolling features

[deft marsh]

"it's always my turn"

[patent steeple]

and stuff that allows you to post abilities to chat

but idk how to code

so maybe this is all super hard and im like

"oh just code it, its easy!"

[halcyon wharf]

Oh I'd be making it in one of the precooked ones

Making a Foundry system from scratch is too much work for me atm

[patent steeple]

no yeah i know, im just talking about macros and shit

[opaque socket]

seems easy I would simply do it like this

if [mechanic] is true then [do the thing]

[patent steeple]

delz said hes looking into it

[opaque socket]

I'm joking to be clear

i'm not a coder

[deft marsh]

sounds like something a coder would say

[patent steeple]

and he is a much more experienced coder than i

[uneven prawn]

i mean its literally just 1s and 0s just type it all in until it works smh

[opaque socket]

if [cool thing should happen] then [cool thing happens]

seems easy just do if/then statements I know coders love those

[uneven prawn]

its just like how music is literally just vibrating air, just shake it until it sounds good

put the air in a jar and shake the air

[cursive arch]

Aye, though some love them far too much

[deft marsh]

Yeah don't you just like... type things to code. Smh

[willow flame]

You’re right Eld we do love those

[deft marsh]

Hey, IF [I want to eat nachos] THEN [I will eat nachos]

[willow flame]

Yep we just type things and things happen

It’s magic

[opaque socket]

what do you mean

[deft marsh]

I feel like I'm RP-ing the barbarian to the wizard rn

"Why don't you just code about it?"

It doesn't work like that

"What are you even for then"

[cursive arch]

This is exactly what I mean 🤣

[opaque socket]

you should use if else and if then statements for everything they make things run so smoothly

trust me

it doesn't take a lot of processing power at all

/s

[cursive arch]

cries in 2^n test cases, where n is the number of if statements

[opaque socket]

LMFAO

[willow flame]

Oh no now I have to break character

That image pains me

[deft marsh]

did you take psychic damage?

[night hedge]

[deft marsh]

kinda like how your dude is on the field

and if you get KO'd, youre donzo

[glacial junco]

I checked the pins just in case, on creation is it 1 soul 1 trait and 1 act? Or 2 act

[patent steeple]

1 of each for free

[glacial junco]

Kk

[patent steeple]

then u can spend dark power

if u have any

[halcyon wharf]

hmm so Dark Power is spent after you know your opponent?

I'm a little puzzled when some of this stuff is "locked in"

[glacial junco]

2 soul abilities are written here was that just for quick making

Or is necro soul ability diff

[silent sluice]

it's referring to the two soul abilities that Necros have by default

then you pick one more on top of that

[halcyon wharf]

It's more obvious looking at the unit cards

[glacial junco]

Ah tyty

[jovial tulip]

Ughhhgh
I wanna make models of all these units they're so cool

[patent steeple]

i think its decided before game start? the pdf doesnt list any like draft format or anything

[halcyon wharf]

I lean towards that

I'm just a little puzzed by how I should proceed with listbuilding if I don't know what malic level I'm playing at

Do I just make a list for each malice?

[patent steeple]

hmmmm

i think it would be like

[deft marsh]

i think its more like you go, hey bro wanna play some magnagotcha? and they go yeah bro

and then you go, hey what malice yo uwanna play at?

[patent steeple]

before you make the list but before game start

[deft marsh]

and do ya wanna play with heresy?

[patent steeple]

yep

thats what i was imagining too

[deft marsh]

after that yall agree on map and scenario if any

after that yall build your lists

[patent steeple]

or if its like a recruitment post
MAGNAGOTHICA MALEGHAST GAME Malice: Hell Heresy: None 2v2 Duel

[primal nest]

Eyup

Gargamox is my faction

These guys rules

[patent steeple]

i like how their plague can bounce

[primal nest]

me, the iskander player, looking at corpse explosion

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546763235051700314/1094759716833476678/caption-1-1.gif

[magic basalt]

really enjoying how simple the rules are so far

[willow flame]

Book acquired. Time to get evil 😈

[glacial junco]

@silent sluice you already finish the PDF sheet?

[silent sluice]

?

[glacial junco]

Werent you working on a team sheet

[silent sluice]

yeah a google sheet

still working on it

The preview version of Bullet Time said it made things automatically graze, but now it says they "miss". Is it supposed to prevent them from taking graze damage or nah?

[pale echo]

Graze damage applies on all misses

So no need to specify

[patent steeple]

from what i can tell its just a clean up of the term

theres no need to differentiate between "auto-graze" and "auto-miss"

[silent sluice]

👍

[primal nest]

Looking at the abhorrers page, I was right to put Blasphemous music in my maleghast playlist

[rugged cloud]

how does Armor work, I am confused

it says it can only be used Once

[arctic solar]

I think that means it doesn't stack with itself

you can't get Armor Twice or something if you have Super Armor but also Armor somehow

but it's a passive -1 to damage taken of the appropriate type

[night hedge]

so with reload, does everything reload at once or is it pick one?

[pale echo]

Looks like everything

[willow flame]

Goddamn I love pg 3, hits a similar note to the start of ds1

[silent sluice]

everything reloads but also, when you shoot something with reload, everything gets empty

[night hedge]

i see

i think one of the better uses for the EG15 weapon is to keep enemies out of cover whilst providing cover and formation

[arctic solar]

can someone explain LV4 Living Cannon's special tag?

trying to understand the special tag

[pale echo]

Reload

[night hedge]

i assume it needs to be reloaded twice as in the unit it is attached to undergoes the reload action twice

[pale echo]

But you need to trigger reload twice for it to become available again

[night hedge]

so e.g 2 turns of sacrificed movement would reload it or 1 turn of sacrificed movement + ammo goblin regurgitate ammo

[arctic solar]

how does that interact with the reload tag as a whole? If you fire a different reload weapon, the LV4 is unusable until you reload twice?

[night hedge]

that doesn't make intuitive sense so i assume not

[lapis bone]

Damn, I started out loving Garagmoxx but I think Igorri has won my heart with their corpse shenanigans, love the idea of Cloneing your own Thralls for 2 corpses a pop over and over

[night hedge]

i'm solidly carcass and gore grinders, simple game plans are my favoured ones tbh

[pale echo]

I think that's right

[patent steeple]

kinda meme abhorrers build, im assuming 7 dark power as the "average" power level

stuff in () is if in a 1v1

Malice: Hatred
Dark Power: 7

Units
-2x Zealot [Suffuse]
-Penitent [Taste the Lash]
-Inquisitor [Heart Destroyer]
-(Antipriest [Boiling Censer])

Necromancer
Trait
-Winter Rose Stance
-(Corpse Violet Stance)
ACT
-Starmetal Shuriken
SOUL
-Sword Art: Drifting Blossoms
-Sword Art: Safflower Cut
-Sword Art: Winter Sprout
-Supreme Sword Art: Merciful Snowdrop Cut```

[night hedge]

what's the strat

[languid lotus]

does anyone have a list of curses? want to gauge how strong curseproof is

[full prairie]

Ooh just picked this up. Lovely art as always Tom

Going to try to get a group to play this weekend

[patent steeple]

honestly i could go double penitent instead

but the idea was penitents to soak up debuffs and damage, protecting the inquistor and zealots

and have the necro be a react-y boi

[pale echo]

Carcass has two Curse abilities (Freak, Horror)

Goregrinders get two (both on Freak)

Gargamox have two on their Freak and three in necro optionals

Deadsouls get one each on horror/hunter/tyrant and two in necro optionals

None in Abhorrers?

[patent steeple]

curseproof gives immunity to effects as well

[pale echo]

Igorri gives one on Freak and two in necro optionals

[night hedge]

abhorrers has no curses

[arctic solar]

little typo: berserker has Formation instead of (I assume) Blood Rage

[night hedge]

yeah i picked that one out too

[keen ravine]

How badly shafted do carcass units get if the enemy closes

is it like a tau situation where there's like no recourse or can you at least try to stabilize

[pale echo]

There's no engagement penalty

So you can just. walk away and shoot

[keen ravine]

Interesting

[patent steeple]

reload just forces them to not move

i think theres an engagement penalty for ranged attacks tho

they just have lower than average move

[pale echo]

okay I see where they have trouble now

Ranged attacks often don't let you attack adjacent units

So you have to move

But moving means no reload

[patent steeple]

oh yeah i forgot ranges are bounded

[keen ravine]

interesting, so have carcass units spaced out so they can cover each other?

[patent steeple]

yeah their only melee unit is the enforcer

unless u wanna blow up ur ammo goblins

[patent steeple]

is this really how it is? it read to me like its per unit

[arctic solar]

you can use spare gunwights to push a bit

[pale echo]

Everything on that unit reloads

[night hedge]

carcass has a lot of push

[keen ravine]

Egis Weapon seems like a good close in escort, big model so more units can benefit from formation while also being a bruiser in melee

[pale echo]

Not everything on your side

[keen ravine]

🤔

[keen ravine]

that as well

[patent steeple]

okay right gotcha

that makes sense

idk why i read it that way

[pale echo]

rolling up with a twelve-thrall comp

nobody gets to the necromancer, all damage redirected

foolproof

[magic basalt]

I'm a little confused by when an action says 'range 2-4'

[patent steeple]

it means your target has to be 2-4 spaces away

so 2 spaces, 3 spaces, or 4 spaces

[pale echo]

Your targeting is limited to the 2-4 ring/band

[patent steeple]

it cannot be 5+ spaces or adjacent

[magic basalt]

ah gotcha

cant attack adjacent targets

[patent steeple]

consequently this means stuff like "range 3"

is exact range

[pale echo]

I'm not as sure about that part

I think if it's just one number, it can be closer

[languid lotus]

do the effects of generic tokens (bar slow) stack? for example, does 2 vuln mean 2 more damage taken?

[jaunty kayak]

So I saw EGIS Weapon in the book, and it's token named as aegisweapon.png and assumed EGIS was the typo, but then I see Tom spelt it Egis in here and the portrait is named egisweapon.png so I guess Egis is the correct spelling

[patent steeple]

nope

[short cloud]

does just range 3 mean anything within range 3, including adjacent?

[patent steeple]

u just get more stacks

[pale echo]

That's my read

[patent steeple]

cuz u discard 1 token

[short cloud]

but if its like, range 2-4 you cant attack adjacent

[pale echo]

Yep

[short cloud]

ok

[pale echo]

It's a pun

[glacial junco]

Hey do Scum and Stitch not get the Thrall Group Activation trait or was it just not written for them but implied?

[pale echo]

I assume they're supposed to get it

[patent steeple]

we are in it icon chads

[languid lotus]

might be underestimating, but does it seem to yall like holy body's a bit underpowered with the low hp?

[patent steeple]

im trying to find an entry for range, lemme know if u folks find it

[pale echo]

Thrall Group Activation is basically what's described in the Thrall intro on page 22. I don't think it's meant to exclude any

[glacial junco]

Tyty

[pale echo]

It also gets heal tokens and super armor

[next tulip]

it has 6 vitality and super armor

yeah

so if you can get like
a few really big attacks it'll probably eat shit

but otherwise

[patent steeple]

holy font means you can shore up the defenses if u want

[vocal star]

Considering most attacks don't go above 2 damage, it can no sell a lot of stuff

[patent steeple]

but i also think its not supposed to be a frontliner

considering its 4 MV and flight trait

plus bolides being range 2-6

[magic basalt]

devil bullet + unholy sixgun looking like a tasty combo

[patent steeple]

what are folks' read on this? exact range or just range or less

[jovial tulip]

Hey, dumb question that I probably missed the answer to, but what determines whether or not we roll for a unit's ACT action?

[patent steeple]

the attack tag

[arctic solar]

attacks- roll attack dice
effects- roll an effect die if and only if the effect has stuff that cares about an effect die roll

[patent steeple]

or if theres an effect die

[jovial tulip]

So ammo goblin's regurgitate ammo would roll an effect die, but stuff like the gunwight's baton would not, correct?

[patent steeple]

correct

the baton just happens

not an attack or has an effect die

[jovial tulip]

Just wanted to make sure, thanks!

[umbral cipher]

Carcass seems like they want to band together in groups, having somebody dedicated to shoving melee attackers away (like their scion or thralls) so the rest of the squad can smoke em

[lapis willow]

ime in skirmish games, range = up to/within the given number. So range: 3 would be 1-3. Bounded ranges are given the distinction because they are the exception, e.g. range: 2-3

[patent steeple]

okay awesome

that makes sense

[smoky pecan]

Pull my devil trigger

[patent steeple]

i dont play these types of games so this stuff is all sorta new to me

[umbral cipher]

I read this the other way around, i.e. you Have to be at range 3 to use a 3 move

But that's a Tom question I guess

[patent steeple]

i could see it going either way tbh

[lapis willow]

imo it's given in the first line there, "abilities can target any unit or space that is inside its range..."

[patent steeple]

thats what i thought too, but theres stuff like rng 1-2 or rng 2-6

so idk

[zinc solstice]

So far can't buy it, but it's been a delight to see the hype

[pale echo]

My read too

[zinc solstice]

i kinda want to see some faction giving your necro the ability to be Tyrant-sized

[pale echo]

oh that's nice

[patent steeple]

homebrew time lets gooooooo

[zinc solstice]

i'll take that as a "none yet", hue

[pale echo]

especially if you add Clutch Reload on it or something

[pale echo]

Nah that's not in there currently

[languid lotus]

hmmm. i should try to make a build

dp0, naturally

[silk storm]

GAME IS OUT POG

I would/will be/plan on dying for Penny Dreadful

[thick sphinx]

I'm a little unclear on how the Speading Strain upgrade to the Gargamox Leech is meant to work. Does each target in the effect chain gain slow tokens equal to the number of plague tokens removed?

(Bonus question: Can infect jump back to the initial target character?)

[keen ravine]

I wanna fluff my gunwrights as these guys but I'm not sure if it's extra enough

[pale echo]

I don't think so

[thick sphinx]

I didn't think so either, but I wasn't sure

[primal nest]

Wait do scum not have the thrall trait?

[languid lotus]

"BONES MCSKELETON AND THE MIND GOBLINS"
DP0 CARCASS Horde

• 1x Operator
  • Traits: Formation, Hot Clip, Bone Wall
  • Acts: Akimbo, SG88 two-barrel shotgun
  • SOUL Abilities: Reload Slide, Bullet Time, Double Tap
• 2x Ammo Goblin
• 1x Barrelform
• 1x Enforcer
• (2x Thrall)

[pale echo]

I think that's an accidental omission

[glacial junco]

Ey we have a Gargamox Vs Igorri, Does a weak token counter a Mutate token or do mutate tokens only get removed when i would normally discard a token my dude has

[pale echo]

I'm going to read it as "one target has plague removed, other targets in infect range get slow tokens added."

[glacial junco]

EX, Homoculus has 3 Mutate and 1 Speed, Slime percalates to give 1 slow token

[pale echo]

with total slow tokens equalling the count of the plague tokens removed

[glacial junco]

Do i cancel the speed and slow out or can i sub in a mutate in place of speed for the effect of canceling out

[pale echo]

I think subbing in mutate is allowed

[silent sluice]

Do stance effects overlap? Like if an ability has stance (odd) and stance (5+), would they both be active on round 5?

[pale echo]

Yeah

[umbral cipher]

I think you get to choose when to use Mutate tokens

[thick sphinx]

That's the crux of my question, how many tokens you're distributing

[pale echo]

I don't think you're supposed to multiply the total number of slow tokens you distribute

That seems too strong

[thick sphinx]

I actually lean towards each target in the infect chain getting slow tokens equal to plague tokens removed. It is an upgrade, after all

[arctic raven]

Need it more extra? Replace the helmets with skulls

[thick sphinx]

"Spread", though, so maybe the token count is the same...

[arctic raven]

(Presumably not human skulls if another human fits their head inside it)

[glacial junco]

Are corpses Obstructions or anything?

I assume not but gotta check

[pale echo]

No obstruction

p14

[glacial junco]

tyty

Can't control F its the death of me

[short cloud]

is there a form for organizing an army?

[arctic solar]

Not yet afaik

Probably in a few days

[thick sphinx]

The restrictions on pulling being "each space of the pull is closer to the pulling unit than the last", does that mean you can drag a unit from the diagonal sideways until it's orthogonal to you?

[patent steeple]

i did it like this

[rugged cloud]

Here is my army(Spite)

Abhorrents
The Brotherhood Of Boiling Wax
Necromancer:Vitus Harris(Winter Rose Stance,Starmetal Shuriken, Supreme Sword Art: Merciful Snowdrop Cut)
Holy Body
Zealot
Zealot(Drop this guy if united sized gets reduced)
Pentient
Pentient

[pale echo]

I'd say so

Otherwise diagonal units couldn't be pulled at all, which seems wrong

[thick sphinx]

If it's meant to be maximally closer, you'd need to shuffle them horizontally and vertically towards you rather than being able to pull them horizontally multiple spaces in a row

[pale echo]

Hmmm
Tom's other games have always had push/pull in straight lines, but this one doesn't quite specify

My initial assumption was straight lines only

[patent steeple]

holy body seems a bit too spicy for me personally, i wonder how it plays in practice

[night hedge]

House: GOREGRINDERS
Malice: Spite
Slots: 5

2x Warheads

2x Warheads

2x Warheads

Pain Ghoul

Berserker

Warlord Len
- Nerve Twitch
- Frenzy Chain
- Gorebather```
goregrinders are nice and simple to build for

certainly at spite level anyhow

[flat harbor]

a small question/suggestion: anyone know how to view a pdf in two-page spread while offsetting the cover page? chrome and edge seem to have once had this option but no longer. alternatively, adding a blank page 2 after the cover would make the spreads work by default.

[pale echo]

Firefox has an option for it

uhhh lemme mess with Chrome

[rugged cloud]

probably gonna play soon, so I can tell you

[lethal trench]

lmao

[pale echo]

nope

[flat harbor]

I found a way to insert a page myself, so I'm good now.

[glacial junco]

Me when i'm a corpse summoning team vs a team that blows up corpses

[patent steeple]

bro is already on the maleghast train

[halcyon wharf]

this mu was actually why I brought up when you spent dark power haha

[glacial junco]

lmao

[rugged cloud]

my prediction for the Holy Body: it might not actually be that good for the obvious reasons, but will be such a pain the ass to kill that it will be able to make a meaningful presence as a bodyguard

[short cloud]

i wanna see arts of people's necromancers so bad

[glacial junco]

@feral hearth made a really cool necromancer sketch

[hexed coral]

I'd love to have the skills to do something, but for now Beheader remains a headless thoughtform

[thick sphinx]

Really want to try a Crusade-style campaign with this

[night hedge]

_ _

i also drew mine

[hexed coral]

very sick

[short cloud]

yo, fellow CARCASS bnuuy

[pale echo]

https://vxtwitter.com/paprbckparadise/status/1719098422278680743

Carcass

[patent steeple]

goregrinders seem very cool as a simple hit things faction

[vocal star]

It seems to excel as an artillery unit and doubles as backline support/ body guard

[patent steeple]

backline support and terrain creator

is my guess

lol holy body with carcass

[vocal star]

Bilodes and indignation can screw with the opponent from across the map, and ablution can help your guys for right behind the front line, plus if you're willing to duct tape it to your necromancer, then it can just eat so much damage.

But a barrleform with a lucky deathmark roll can make it eat shit.

[crisp night]

hello is this where i talk about my new obsession

[pale echo]

yes

[crisp night]

i've been reading and rereading the book for a good six hours now

[charred glacier]

Hey y'all

What VTTs have people conscripted into the Skeleton War so far?

[pale echo]

I think I'm seeing Roll20 above

[charred glacier]

What VTT is this?

[glacial junco]

Roll 20

I might see if foundry works good but

Roll 20 for now

[crisp night]

i need to get all of my friends invested in maleghast so i have people to throw my weird team comps at

[opaque socket]

:(

i'm the carcass

[crisp night]

i wish i didn't like the abhorrer aesthetic so much because i feel like they're gonna be fucky to build for

damn

is the red walls or hazards

nvm white is walls

[pale echo]

this is so sad

[crisp night]

deadsouls seems like it's extremely scary to fight against

[opaque socket]

red is walls

[crisp night]

being able to shape the battlefield (and also having multiple units with 5+ def) is scary

oh ok i was right the first time then

[willow gust]

I was surprised how tanky deadsouls are, they're very interesting to me

[crisp night]

i really need to subscribe to tom's patreon he's made three of my favorite things of all time ever

lancer, ksbd, and now maleghast

[patent steeple]

what sorta set up are you doing for r20?

[glacial junco]

This mu is rough

[pale echo]

rethinking
The initial description of "mutate" makes it feel like it's there to make other tokens last longer, not be a new one

"copy" language vs "wildcard" language

[glacial junco]

I hope not because otherwise i'm losing harder

[crisp night]

yeah it seemed to me like mutate was meant to be for positive tokens mostly

but i didn't read igorri too closely

maybe i should they seem fun

it's just that abhorrers and carcass are so far up my alley in terms of design that it would be hard for me to play anything else

[thick sphinx]

I think you can lose a mutate instead, since you'd be discarding the mutate token instead of the speed token you'd normally be discarding

[opaque socket]

just drawing tbh

Since we played at like, the first level

only needed to remember Necromancer abilities

Anyway game is done

Deadsouls won

they're SO strong against CARCASS tbh

[patent steeple]

how long was it

[opaque socket]

I'm probably gonna give tom some thoughts

setting up lasted longer than the game

like about an hour

[patent steeple]

oh nice

how did u track traits and abilities

[opaque socket]

My main concern with Deadsouls is like, they have a pretty strong def score on a lot of units at once, a lot of WARD meaning some abilities were straight up not worth using on them, and a lot of walls for cover

[crisp night]

i entirely forgot that they all have ward

except for the thrall

[opaque socket]

Most

yeah

[crisp night]

that's scary

and they have access to devil damage through doom

[opaque socket]

We kept the book open and tracked token with relevant roll20 statuses

Doom being able to stack is fucked up

[patent steeple]

oh interesting

[crisp night]

it STACKS?

Man.

[opaque socket]

its a token

and it says "at least 1 doom token"

[crisp night]

oh boy

really hope none of my friends end up liking deadsouls

[halcyon wharf]

I read that as it not stacking

[crisp night]

damage doesnt stack but it becomes harder to remove

[native viper]

I don't think the damage stacks, it's a check for at least 1

[crisp night]

and 6 true damage is enough to kill like

[halcyon wharf]

Oh yes I concur there

[crisp night]

most things

[opaque socket]

yeah that's what I meant

[nova mason]

glad to hear my fave faction is strong lol

[crisp night]

i think the one thing keeping me from wanting to play carcass above abhorrers is that they can get really screwed up at close range. but now i also have deadsouls to worry about

i wonder how carcass vs goregrinders would play out in most cases

[patent steeple]

hmmm i suppose u can just have ur factions pages open

[opaque socket]

it meant on my necromancer by round 2 I had two doom tokens, meaning I couldn't win unless I killed 2 units, meaning it was very hard on a defense 5 faction

It was still fun

which was nice

[crisp night]

would carcass units be able to mow down the goregrinders units before their movement and charge/pull actions could get them into melee range

much to consider

[crisp night]

that's the important bit

i need to play this so bad

[nova mason]

ill probably try out a free for all with my cule this weekend maybe lol

[full prairie]

So... What vtt are people playing this on

[patent steeple]

roll20

is the one in all the screenshots

[full prairie]

Any foundry users out there? 👀

[patent steeple]

im sure u could get something in foundry tho

i think it shoullldddd be fairly simple on foundry?

[full prairie]

S'what I use for Lancer so I am definitely more familiar with it heh

[patent steeple]

just make actors for the units and copy in their abilities

i wish there was an easy way to post stuff to chat a la icon or lancer

but im unaware of a module that does it

and dice rolling is just d6, im p sure u could write a macro for d6 keep highest

[full prairie]

Yeah, and foundry chat has a chat code for that I think? Hmmmm

[patent steeple]

idk anything about coding

or the inner workings of foundry

just as a warning

[opaque socket]

@naive glacier So I dunno if you're looking for Feedback on Maleghast or not but I wanna give you some after 1 fight we did today at the lowest level of complexity
-The pdf having images instead of text on the layout means its very heavy to download (this is fine) but it also means its impossible to look up stuff by CTRL+F searching (this also meant we couldn't copy and paste stuff, which did make it harder to set up in a vtt), the pages on the pdf readers also don't match up to the pages in the book.
-I played Carcass, it was a fun faction, I liked it, I think the operator is really strong in a way that makes it a really strong centerpiece for the fight, which is cool and was fun to play around of, I think the overall faction may have felt weaker than it actually is because WARD shuts off a lot of their stuff in a pretty major way.
-I think from my limited experience of litterally one game, Deadsouls are very strong with how much walls they can make, Frozen Hell on the necromancer was especially strong and essentially blocked a whole map since it synergizes very well with their Chosen unit, their focus on having high defense, ward and movement control meant they essentially were able to lock one part of the map so hard it was very hard to actually move my units, nowhere was really safe as well since they ignore walls, I think this made them a bit too hard to deal with in a way that felt like a "fair" fight.
-I think it could also stand to clarify walls can be targeted like they were foes for damage simply because that turned this matchup from impossible to at least doable in some way.
-Game was otherwise really fun and I can't wait to play it again once people make more tool to make compositions for it here or on foundry, impressive you managed to make something this tight in 11 days tbh, genuinely

[brittle otter]

Currently trying to figure out how to post abilities to chat with simple worldbuilding

Might just hijack the ICON system for my own purposes though

[patent steeple]

i would be very interested!

ive done the same for a few one shots tbh

lol

[crisp night]

hey if anyone in here has tried playing gargamox or plans on doing so i'd like to hear about your experiences because their gameplay intrigues me very much and i want to know how it works in practice rather than in theory

[craggy iron]

smh, can't make a team composed entirely of painwheels

[crisp night]

hey is that outis

[eager berry]

Okay so at risk of sounding ungrateful because holy shit I'm not this fucks severely, there any word on if this is a one off or something that might get More down the line?

[craggy iron]

yuh

to thud, I mean

[crisp night]

awesome

[pale echo]

Tom has mentioned there might be some expansions but right now it's a complete game

[patent steeple]

chances are low but not none, tom has said he wants to add more scenarios and a co-op/solo mode perhaps

[eager berry]

nodnod!

Very happy with what is here and hey if we happen to get an extra unit or two down the line for factions that's gravy

[glacial junco]

this is a rough grindy match here. Toxic doesnt get reduced by vit but

I can't get any damage in either

[naive glacier]

thanks for feedback

[opaque socket]

Oh I wanna add something

[naive glacier]

walls are targetable like foes and take damage from stuff like splash, etc

they have 2 hp

[opaque socket]

Doom on Deadsouls being stackable to make it harder to clear is very strong

I dunno if its like, too much, i only played once after all

[naive glacier]

from the limited test I did with deadsouls they crumple pretty hard to phys damage

you can spend str on graze and almost one shot a lot of them

[pale echo]

ye wall info is on p19 (but could be repeated for clarity)

[naive glacier]

doom also is easy to negate w/ token clear

[opaque socket]

oh yeah I know walls have 2 hp yeah

[glacial junco]

Do you have to roll to hit the wall? (Sorry thats silly sounding)

[naive glacier]

nope

should clarify that though

deadsouls are pretty good against carcass since wall stacking makes cover hurt

[silent sluice]

Is token spending optional?

[naive glacier]

goregrinders can one shot most deadsouls units on lucky crits

token spending is not optional

could also clarify that

[glacial junco]

Can mutate be used in place of other tokens to nullify negative effects like slow?

[naive glacier]

no

you discard it instead of a slow token

but you still keep the effect of the token

ie slow says 'move 1 space max,then discard a slow token'

well you can discard mutate instead

[glacial junco]

So if i have a speed token and a mutate token and someone puts a slow token on me

[naive glacier]

you could discard mutate to keep the slow token if you want, for some reason

[opaque socket]

Yeah, I guess my main worry is like, they can make a LOT of walls and this was def before unit upgrades, the person I played with told me that if they had access to upgrades they would have definitely taken the one on the chosen that makes walls

OH another question

If you create a wall on top of adverse terrain, does removing the wall keep the adverse terrain under it ?

[naive glacier]

yeah i mean I have tested deadsouls literally once in a solo test so

yeah it should keep that terrain

[nimble rivet]

my initial impression of maleghast is that it would make a sick pvp phone game

[glacial junco]

Sorry didnt finish question

[opaque socket]

Oh wild

Thanks for the responses Tom

game is good

[naive glacier]

mutate's an optional token though so you are not obligated to discard it

its just a wild card for anything else

[glacial junco]

So If I have a speed or Strength etc, And a mutate, And then someone puts a negative token on me of the opposite effect I can discard the mutate

[naive glacier]

yes

[glacial junco]

Sorry just getting as clear as i can be

Sick ty ty

that makes it

[naive glacier]

yeah

[glacial junco]

WAY

better

[naive glacier]

it basically lets you 'hedge' any tokens you like

its kind of overkill at a point

but igorri basically smack their dudes with a bunch of buffs then keep those buffs with mutate

[opaque socket]

The operator is like, a super fun necromancer to play btw, hope I got that across, strong gun kata flavor on it

really like it

[naive glacier]

we did 2 pvp tests with igorri they were pretty good both times

yeah carcass has been fun to playtest

they won the very first game we played with lucky headshots

[opaque socket]

I tried to go for a build to guarantee headshots with reload on headshots

[naive glacier]

headshots kind of whip and start making you do massive damage on follow up so

if you can roll those 6s you can crush

[opaque socket]

its nice cause if that fails you have a way to reload even after acting

with the 1 soul action you start with

Slide Reload is cool

[naive glacier]

low key operators are probably the strongest necro

good range armor and very good damage

[opaque socket]

I def leaned in on them a lot

[crisp night]

it fits since they have the best design

and that's saying something

i only made my pfp the abhorrer one because i think the exorcist is hot

[opaque socket]

The deadsoul necro on the other hand seemed to be a lot more "passive"

[naive glacier]

i want to emphasize i literally did 100% of this book myself (art layout design literally all graphics)

[opaque socket]

which isn't neccesarily a bad thing

[glacial junco]

this is pretty fun despite my uphill struggle this slimy boi just won't eat damage (Jesting)

[crisp night]

and that's why it's so insanely impressive

[opaque socket]

its just different

[naive glacier]

most of it in the last 10 days including nearly all art lol

except the faction art

[crisp night]

maleghast is going to live in my head entirely rent free

[naive glacier]

lol

[hexed coral]

I'm pumped to play it tbh

[naive glacier]

I will eventually do a pass over the game to fix typos and clarify some stuff I can balance things slightly then

[hexed coral]

Got the old KSBD oc writing brain again

[naive glacier]

I do plan to release something with a huge pack of special scenarios

[nimble rivet]

I'm just scrolling up and down this book, I'm so infatuated
I love that they each have soundtracks

[opaque socket]

Oh actually another question

[naive glacier]

i would like to put out a maleghast zine every few mo. with new shit

[crisp night]

oh my god please

[naive glacier]

yeah shoot (I'll brb though gotta get ready for bed w/out bothering my wife)

[opaque socket]

is it intended that they don't have the thrall trait ?

[naive glacier]

this is eventually what I want icon to be like btw

no its a mistake, they should have the thrall trait (all thralls should)

there's a few typos like that

[opaque socket]

Alright, that's good to know

[hexed coral]

Gotta get Beheader ready to behead and such

[opaque socket]

considering the "vibe" they have specifically I wasn't sure

(you know with the whole two corpses thing)

[thick sphinx]

If you're still around, I'd love some clarity on how pulling enemies on the diagonal works

[brittle otter]

Hijacking the ICON system successful

Though I should probably remove the roll for the attack since it rolls a d20

[hexed coral]

yooo nice

[patent steeple]

im just copy and pasting all the shit from the pdf into a roll20 game

is that easier?

i guess this has the post to chat thing

[pale echo]

How are you copying and pasting it if it's all images?

[brittle otter]

I just type it lol

[thick sphinx]

Snip tool?

[patent steeple]

im not, just turn of phrase

[opaque socket]

I think there's a lot of stuff there that's very nice that I wouldn't mind seeing in Icon

[patent steeple]

if i end up doing more games ill hack it into my icon system

[opaque socket]

It was very nice to see turns be super fast in this btw

[patent steeple]

but for now its just going into roll20

[opaque socket]

There's SOME thinking involved and like, strategic decisions which 100% matter

[brittle otter]

I find foundry to be easier to work with, and I paid for it so I am forcing myself to get my money's worth

[opaque socket]

but its also relatively smooth at the starting level at least

[opaque socket]

I tried using roll20 for this and tbh I wish I went for foundry instead

[glacial junco]

I love that me and splar right now are like doing 10 minute turns like its chess haha

I'm sure we will get faster

[nimble rivet]

do we have necromancer unit portrait assets??

[opaque socket]

Yeah, it will, i just have uh, a fair bit of experience with stuff

[nimble rivet]

oh nvm I found them

[brittle otter]

With the amount of things getting put on the ground? I assumed as much

[opaque socket]

I think its easy to overthink these type of games

[glacial junco]

My child (homonculus) has every plague known to man

[opaque socket]

It currently has a very similar play vibe to like

Unmatched ?

in a way

Which is cool btw, its a cool thing to be like

[patent steeple]

hmmmm

ill put my work into foundry then

[patent steeple]

did u just like, make a new actor for each unit?

[brittle otter]

Only done the gunwight so far, but just making the abilties as you would any ICON one

Just have to misspell attack in the tags otherwise it forces a d20 roll

[patent steeple]

gonna try my hand at this

see how far i can get

[pale echo]

attacc

[opaque socket]

thinking about a fucked up play where we only play thralls and necromancers

[nimble rivet]

I know this is made for VTTs but I feel like minis on a chessboard or digital screen would feel kind of good

[brittle otter]

Much much better than atack or attag I tried

[pale echo]

need

body-block 4 dayz

[languid lotus]

zergagothica rusheghast

[tame pasture]

just need to set up some last bits and then its time to cook

[crisp night]

horde gamemode

that would be hilarious with carcass actually

firing line

[tame pasture]

boom headshot

oh wait its 2am

ok i'll get to the others later

[patent steeple]

is it at all possible to share this between users or is this a compendium specific thing

[tame pasture]

uhhhhhh

good question

[brittle otter]

Oh hey

[eager berry]

Lil guy

[glacial junco]

I uh

I think me and splat have tied

[nimble rivet]

what game mode?

[tame pasture]

im using simple worldbuilding & bar brawl primarily so if you can import this into a world with the same it should function

[patent steeple]

niceeee

ill give this a try

[tame pasture]

the font thing is its own nightmare

tldr custom fonts module + metal blockletter

fuck your ui up royally

[brittle otter]

I am doing it in the ICON system

Working decently well so far

[primal crypt]

I'd love to watch people play this sometime

[glacial junco]

This is round 4 and I picked for options ```
accelerate evolution new material Recycle chop doc stitch Strigoi lycan tyrant
Trait: Corruptor
ACT: Corpse explosion
SOUL: Fecundity

He couldn't peirce my ward/Vit recoverery And I had no real damaging move

[tame pasture]

i realise with a bit of messing around the fitd roller module could just work for attack rolls

[glacial junco]

Ended up being a real headscratcher of a tie because we did the math

Because I have no damaging option lmao

[patent steeple]

sorry i think im a bit dumb, how do u import this?

[tame pasture]

since you can edit the text outputs

[patent steeple]

just

[brittle otter]

Lol, I will just roll with dice tray~

[tame pasture]

on a new actor

import data

and it'll overwrite it

[patent steeple]

ohhhh

[tame pasture]

if it works then i'll compile all my carcass ones into a folder sometime tmr

when i reawaken

just ping me

[patent steeple]

yes it works!

[full prairie]

Gambaina out heregetting it done

[crisp night]

how was it fighting the mox

[tame pasture]

bah fuck sleeping i'll drop the folder now

gimme a sec

(also lets me flex this)

[patent steeple]

literal goat

[brittle otter]

Care to try if it works in the ICON system too?

[crisp night]

🙏

you deserve a medal

[tame pasture]

the dead do not rest

[patent steeple]

sure

[tame pasture]

Requires a simple worldbuilding foundry world & bar brawl

[brittle otter]

This is a little test for the ICON system import

Curious to see if you need a compendium with the abilities too

[patent steeple]

testing this rn

[tame pasture]

images are going to be a pain but like

uh

just get them from tom

lol

my file pathing isn't anything fancy

literally just data/Maleghast/Units/...

[brittle otter]

Samesies

[patent steeple]

yes you need the compendium

[tame pasture]

drop the units folder tom made in a maleghast folder and it'll work

[patent steeple]

it doesnt load the abilities without the compendium

[patent steeple]

i think it would actually be pretty cool to get a pnet tourney or smth going, idk if theres enough maleghast interest for that

[tame pasture]

and then for the operative i just nabbed this and butchered it (sorry (not sorry) tom, give me the transparent images already)

[primal crypt]

if you get enough people, feel free to organize it!

[crisp night]

i wish like i could dress like this irl

[crisp night]

i would absolutely enter in this if time allowed

i'd probably get steamrolled but i would have fun

guess i'm starting an abhorrers team now

[patent steeple]

im gonna be playing this with my friend this week

ill see how it goes

[crisp night]

my one hangup with abhorrers is that idk how effective holy body would be in real gameplay but this is coming from someone with exactly 0 experience in actual maleghast play

[willow gust]

I'm trying to get a tourney going with friends, but it's going to be at least a week before it happens

[crisp night]

and i'm gonna use it anyway because it looks cool

(probably)

[brittle otter]

How does one export a compendium...

[thick sphinx]

I am deeply disappointed in the lack of goregrinders talk in this channel so far

[pale echo]

go fast hit hard

vroom vroom

[thick sphinx]

They're too awesome, they're scaring everyone away

[crisp night]

idk why i dont like goregrinders more

i love fire and engines and machinery and chunky swords and such

i think it's just that everyone else is so cool they get drowned out in my brain

[pale echo]

they might be the counterpick for Deadsouls atm

[crisp night]

they have my favorite looking tyrant next to EGIS though

the berserker is insane

[thick sphinx]

They're the top of my list to try, followed by Gargamox

[patent steeple]

gangs all here

[pale echo]

Go fast and deterministic damage

[crisp night]

tell me about gargamox after you try em, i'm very curious about how they work in real gameplay

love me some good poison damage

[vocal star]

I said already that it seems best as an artillery or backline support

[brittle otter]

Seems like I need to make a smol module

[full prairie]

Once these VTT resources are confirmed, I'd love to see them pinned by a mod!

[thick sphinx]

My worry is the Gargamox v. Deadsouls matchup

[crisp night]

ah my bad didn't see

[thick sphinx]

Since Ward I think shuts down the plague something fierce

[full prairie]

If @primal crypt or whatnot could 🙏

[primal crypt]

hmm? which post?

[patent steeple]

the best way would be a module with all of the abilities i think yeah

oh no theres no post just yet

[vocal star]

Here

[primal crypt]

if you want me to pin something point me at it don't make me search

[crisp night]

what's ward again

[patent steeple]

i think gamb is working on jsons for all the factions but they'll get to it prob tomorrow or something

[thick sphinx]

Be interesting how things would change if you chose your Dark Mass/necromancer goodies after seeing your opponent's House/Dark Mass

[patent steeple]

whenever they have time

[vocal star]

I'll add that Vitality management seems important, and you want to keep it away from the front line.

[patent steeple]

magical armor basically

[crisp night]

interesting

i'll keep that in mind

oh i forgot lol

ward like the magic armor

[thick sphinx]

-1 toxic damage

[crisp night]

yeah okay i remember

[full prairie]

I will ping again after they're confirmed working heh

[languid lotus]

i'd be interested in a maleghast tourney iff it's text-based, vc's a no-go for me

[patent steeple]

reduces any damage thats not physical

[willow gust]

deadsouls is definetly the one that interests me the most, but abhorrers and igorri are also cool

[vocal star]

Also it seems less about dealing damage and more about positioning enemies and area denial

[patent steeple]

every other damage type as well

[thick sphinx]

Oh, wait, hang on, plague ignores armor. Duh

[crisp night]

it's as much a resource for its vitality as it is a unit

[cinder isle]

well

every other non-physical type

[thick sphinx]

Then maybe it's the Abhorrers that are the rough matchup

[cinder isle]

armor is for physicals, ward is for specials

[crisp night]

the three factions i'm most interested in are abhorrers, carcass, and gargamox; but i have separate hangups about each of them

my hangups about gargamox are very stupid

and it's mostly that i don't like their soundtrack

[nova mason]

did an edit to see how the ndem head being a skull in fire would work with the deadsouls aesthetic. i think it fits pretty good tbh. granted this is a very basic and non exact to the actual idea edit lol

[thick sphinx]

Heresy

[patent steeple]

got a SOUL gauge working

[crisp night]

i don't HATE it it's just not my kind of music compared to most of the others

[thick sphinx]

The harpists in Heaven are playing Cattle Decapitation

[patent steeple]

using the icon system seems ideal but it seems like it'll take a bit longer

with exporting all the abilities and such

[thick sphinx]

I do actually need to go through all the soundtracks

[crisp night]

carcass has babymetal and breakcore which i consume by the ton daily and abhorrers have opeth and nile who are favorites of mine

[opaque socket]

oh question for folks and I guess Tom if he's here

[crisp night]

every faction has someone i listen to at least semi actively EXCEPT gargamox

[opaque socket]

which one of those is true ?

[umbral cipher]

I would say the latter

And yeah I'm into this, would love to play it

[patent steeple]

im going by this

[naive glacier]

you can MOVE and ACT in any order

[opaque socket]

gotcha !

[silent sluice]

no splitting?

[naive glacier]

yes you must do it one at a time

[willow gust]

can you act+act?

[patent steeple]

no

[cinder isle]

that ain't what it says anywhere, so i assume not

[patent steeple]

unless u count reloading as acting

[thick sphinx]

Should really see if we can get some kind of "Open Questions" doc going

Just to stop stuff being lost in the channel

I'd make it myself, but I'm not a mod so I can't pin it

[tame pasture]

just pin things

[umbral cipher]

Carcass and Deadsouls seem very up my alley, but the tricky part about this game is that necromancers are already my aesthetic

[opaque socket]

I believe you can act 5 times if you pay the other player 30 bucks

this is a lie

[tame pasture]

if you bring the pizza you can do anything

[hexed coral]

No no it works

[tame pasture]

this is how the origional lords broke the cycle of death

[primal crypt]

no I read this in an edh thread, checks out

https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/17jv5xj/making_deals_in_a_casual_commander_game_what_is

[patent steeple]

oh my god

this is amazing

"i pay the other player to give me 6 SOUL"

[umbral cipher]

Like Gargamox and Goregrinders are a Sick Vibe

[opaque socket]

LMFAO

[umbral cipher]

So what it really boils down to is 'who am I into mechanically'

[opaque socket]

this is hilarious

[glacial junco]

Top comment is so lame lmao

[crisp night]

that's kind of where i'm sitting

[umbral cipher]

Funnily enough, the poison toxin folks aren't grabbing me immediately
And I love poison toxic shit

[crisp night]

much in the same way it was damn near impossiblet o choose a mech to play for my first lancer campaign because i love All Mechs

[patent steeple]

...

what

[primal crypt]

nevermind haha, I'll remove my comment too actually

[crisp night]

i'll probably end up going with abhorrers because they have really interesting gameplay and i can pretend i'm running a dark souls faith build as the necromancer

[primal crypt]

anyway carry on maleghast

[crisp night]

but still a hard decision

[warped mirage]

is it intentional that the thrall trait is missing from the gargamox thrall? like do you only get 1 scum per unit point?

[tame pasture]

this is the current gamer setup

before i go eepy

[thick sphinx]

No, Tom confirmed it's a typo

[warped mirage]

dope, is there a place where i can see stuff like that :p

[crisp night]

who let carcass into the nightclub

[primal crypt]

if someone makes an errata doc I can pin it

[thick sphinx]

I think the best you have right now is searching this channel

[primal crypt]

just ping me

off I go

[warped mirage]

bc i also presume that the goregrinder tyrant has blood rage and not formation

and stuff like that

[patent steeple]

we can get an errata doc going

can someone link the errata so far?

[thick sphinx]

Oh, that's a good one. Hadn't caught that

[crisp night]

do you think the goregrinder carnifex is good at grilling

[languid lotus]

i figure the pain ghoul must know how to grill what with cauterize

[crisp night]

yeah but carny has the apron

need a "kiss the cook" edit of carnifex

[languid lotus]

pain ghoul doesn't need one, too skilled

painwheels must be excellent at spit-roasts i assume

[silk storm]

Is there a thread yet for typos? MM is a side project so I doubt it's getting a v2 release anytime soon, but I'd think there'll at least be a quick errata release

[short cloud]

oooh yes foundry module please

[pale echo]

been a couple mentions of "a doc would be nice" but none made yet

[patent steeple]

if people link me what tom has said for corrections, i can make one

be sure to ping me so i can remember

[naive glacier]

gimme a couple weeks

i just worked on this like the hardest in my life for the last like 10 days

[crisp night]

my one big worry about playing abhorrers is the lack of thralls, which is a funny thing to say, but i feel as if having less bodies than the other guy can become a problem. but this can be overcome with the power of god and anime

[naive glacier]

i am not joking in that before about 10 days ago there was just text and the faction art

[crisp night]

how do you do it

[naive glacier]

coffee

[crisp night]

dark or light roast

[tame pasture]

Simply work with un-life

[naive glacier]

i got a roaster up the street

im on the sauce

[crisp night]

niiiiice

jealous

[silk storm]

damn bro, deserved break lol

[short cloud]

so, is each faction missing one unit type?

[tame pasture]

The dead are restless after all

[silk storm]

coffee sauce...

[pale echo]

Yep

Abhorrers don't have Thralls, etc.

[short cloud]

abhorers dont have thralls, gargamox dont have tyrants

[silk storm]

I can def make a doc rn though

[short cloud]

what are the others?

[silk storm]

I'll leave it open for comments so it's crowd-sourced

[crisp night]

carcass has no horror

goregrinder has no hunter

souls has no

uh

freak

[tame pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

No horror?

[primal crypt]

tom it's lovely seeing you publish under your new name

you take a nice long break

[crisp night]

and igorri has no scion

yeah chasm is an awesome name

i should really subscribe to his patreon

[short cloud]

i feel like its a requirement to listen to war pigs by black sabbath when you read the book

its too fitting

[thick sphinx]

@primal crypt @patent steeple
Since the release, including only stuff confirmed by Tom:

• On pg. 16, the description underneath the image demonstrating Lines of Sight should read "She can only see Skeletons A and C", not "She can only see Skeletons A and B"
• Walls do take splash damage
• You do not need to roll to hit a Wall
• Strength does apply to grazes
• Token spending is not optional
• If you create a wall on top of adverse terrain, it is still adverse terrain if the wall is later destroyed
• If you have a positive token and a mutate token and someone puts a corresponding negative token on you, you may choose to discard the mutate token instead of the positive token
• All Thrall units should have the Thrall trait
• You may move and act in any order, but you do one at a time.

[primal crypt]

make a google doc, this list is gonna get very large and it's gonna make the pins annoying to scroll

[thick sphinx]

One sec

[languid lotus]

strigoi (an igorri hunter) is incorrectly marked as deadsouls

[arctic solar]

unconfirmed but assumed- berserker should have Blood Rage, not Formation

[primal crypt]

and structure the message like a pin, don't ping me in it, give it a bolded title or something haha

[silk storm]

I am already half way through making one, dw

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TJaIRjFKF3bVC7_qpY4DhfJkETXuD8-ldmK0UiYhpmc/edit?usp=sharing

[thick sphinx]

Gah, losing a contest of speed. I shame the Goregrinders

[silk storm]

Alas

[thick sphinx]

I feel like I should note that some of the stuff I have are clarifications, not just errata

I'm curious, though, if wall-damaging splashes apply to splashes that only affect foes

[silk storm]

Noted Errata/Clarifications

[pale echo]

I'd assume so

[silk storm]

Currently working on getting sources for all Tom-issued corrections

[thick sphinx]

You may not want them to, is the thing. Like if you're up to some Deadsouls heresy

The walls are Deadsouls' friends

[crisp night]

i know what's on the berserker's back is probably meant to be, like, some kind of powergoop or steroid, but i like to think it's the pistons of a v6 motor he has in place of a heart

[opaque socket]

I think that’s fine

There’s other stuff like that in the game

Ammo goblin also doesn’t do friend or foe

Like as an example

[patent steeple]

ammo goblin doesnt care about friend or foe

just as carcass intended

[opaque socket]

Their main goal

Is to blow up

And then act like they don’t know nobody

[crisp night]

ammo goblin tic tac dispenser

[patent steeple]

regurgitate ammo is very cool

im tempted to run a biggy shield wall comp

[hushed yoke]

Does Push and Pull mean in the direction indicated

Example, a Pull only pulls toward te unit pulling

[pale echo]

Yeah

[hushed yoke]

a Push only pushes away

Ok

Making sure

My friend wants to play Dead Souls and I'm like oh that sounds annoying but knowing hes gonna try and pull my homoculous and eventually I can just pound that scion into paste

[thick sphinx]

There's an outstanding question on how controlled that movement can be, if, for example, you want to push someone into a hazard

[pale echo]

described on p62 and possibly elsewhere