This got posted and I was watching it and I realized I was in the game
#Zero-K
onyx arch
onyx stratus
this image in the new cold take got me
dawn forum
prettyyy
onyx stratus
so since it got brought up, what'd be the interest for getting some Server Folk together for a bit of lobbies
calm meteorBOT
A ping should get some responces, but like i would leave that to a more mid afternoon in the amaicas time
strong heath
so since it got brought up, what'd be the interest for getting some Server Folk ...
🙌
strong heath
A ping should get some responces, but like i would leave that to a more mid afte...
I'm a newbie but for the unknown portion that aren't, my timezone's GMT+8 and I'm usually available in the afternoon
As for a ping...I'm tempted to do that Right Now since tis just collecting thoughts
onyx stratus
yeah it's not like it's gonna get lost in the slew of conversation in here
frigid gate
I'm down to pick it up again some time
buoyant cliff
I'd like to play some more. Not this week, though
onyx arch
I’ve still played this game on and off all this time so yeah I’d be interested in PNet games again
dawn forum
I'd love to play this again
buoyant cliff
<@&886435187993481267> I have about an hour for a game
onyx arch
Sadly, busy RN
haughty girder
Busy with chem labs rn alas.
tight fog
I'm around
onyx stratus
just ctrl+a > rightclick on enemy base
works every tiem
I think I can actually map that to the first time I really truly "clicked" with how to play TA games, and the first time I beat the hardest AI in forged alliance
It was the big map where there's two straight canyons forming an X across it, and then the four triangular plateus up there
my military plan consisted fully of "produce LABs, give them a rally point in the enemy base, increase LAB production"
a game won 100% through getting the hang of econ and expanding/defending resources
oh hey still got the screencap
onyx arch
TA-style games have amazing parade push potential
strong heath
Rq how do you keep chat permanently visible
sacred crypt
oh hey still got the screencap
tbh thats such a good way of showing the genre
dawn forum
oh hey still got the screencap
buoyant cliff
<@&886435187993481267> is anyone up for a match?
tight fog
Sure
frigid gate
I'm too sick to participate today but otherwise this is a good time for me
dawn forum
I'm too sick to participate today but otherwise this is a good time for me
sick? oh nooo D:
frigid gate
since right before new years unfortunately
onyx stratus
What a terrible night to have a curse
slender mirage
hey! i saw the thread for this and got curious enough to add this to my steam library. i don't know a ton about zero-k, but it is nice to look at.
buoyant cliff
Get the role and join us for a game sometime.
strong heath
I'm not too experienced with it either but ime, the tl:dr; is that it's an RTS with horizontal upgrades that cares more about big picture decisions, intuitive game design, and your econ
slender mirage
Get the role and join us for a game sometime.
would you all be okay with new players?
calm meteorBOT
Oh yeah folks will try there best to catch you up, and also like most of the 0-k scene here is just coming out of hibernation
Also can i get a mod to pin the tutorials in this thread? for the new players
slender mirage
hibernation?
calm meteorBOT
Yeah most folks moved over to other games for a bit and like big in house games tapperd off for a bit
strong heath
There used to be a period where games here happened regularly
calm meteorBOT
like not quite daily but close to it
slender mirage
i never had regular game people to play with before, in all honesty
onyx stratus
I'd love to have a semi-regular game gang going yeah, I'm way too anxious to play complete randos most of the time
dawn forum
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6Z-0CRasskYpRSHM2DLtzphqrgzGGaLp
they're 10 years old
I want to find something newer
dawn forum
I'd love to have a semi-regular game gang going yeah, I'm way too anxious to pla...
we used to play constant 4v4s
would love that too
slender mirage
i won't lie to you all, my knowledge of competitive starcraft way back made me deathly afraid of ever doing these games head-to-head.
on the other hand, i said the same thing about shooters and fighting games, and i came around on both. who knows?
frigid gate
we mostly played team games here if that helps
distant glade
just opened trhis game
looks decent
haughty girder
<@&886435187993481267> Anyone up for a round or two starting in the next 30min?
onyx arch
Busy again RN, also realizing IDK what game types people are looking for in these pings
haughty girder
Busy again RN, also realizing IDK what game types people are looking for in thes...
Fair, I should specify. Team PvP if more than 3, otherwise PvE team vs AI.
tight fog
Busy again RN, also realizing IDK what game types people are looking for in thes...
I did some PvE with Peri yesterday, but am looking forward to getting back into PvP.
Also, what times are you not busy? I'd like to play with you again!
onyx arch
I would be free RN but have stuff to do
tight fog
I am at work during these hours alas, usually get home about 3 hours from now.
dawn forum
Fair, I should specify. Team PvP if more than 3, otherwise PvE team vs AI.
super appreciate the pings, I def wanna get back into this and am gonna do some ai games tonight to derust
glass ermine
likewise appreciate the pings, mondays are bad for me but I have been seeing these and looking forward to trying to play if I am available
strong heath
The activity's a good sign yeah! These last ones being in the wee hours of the morning for me isn't ideal but I'm sure I can catch one later on
slender mirage
i hope i can muster up the time & all to join in
tight fog
<@&886435187993481267> Anyone up for some games? I'd prefer PvP, but if there's enough returning/new players I'd be okay with doing PvE.
dawn forum
Oh no I just got into bed under my heated blanket and I'm very warm
Tom I'd love to game with you but probably later today
tight fog
RIP, literally, and not in the way that means you're dead
buoyant cliff
I can play in about an hour and a half
onyx arch
<@&886435187993481267> Anyone up for some games? I'd prefer PvP, but if there's ...
I'm free RN, and def down for some 1v1s or w/e
tight fog
I'm free RN, and def down for some 1v1s or w/e
sounds good to me!
tight fog
I can play in about an hour and a half
how close to "about" are we, and are you still interested?
buoyant cliff
Turns out my estimate was way off
onyx arch
It happens
tight fog
<@&886435187993481267> anyone up for some midday zero-k?
frigid gate
I potentially could do one game
we should try to do this tomorrow if folks cannot play today
dawn forum
! Fuck I'd love to play you guys, I'm crashing so hard right now but I'll be around tomorrow yeah
Play today and tomorrow why not
late egret
i'll probably be around more tomorrow so i'd be down
it'd be nice to actually scratch the rts itch again
been getting withdrawals .....
quasi skiff
I can probably play tomorrow, I don't think I have anything on
today I have much cooking to do
tight fog
I will intend to ping again at around the same time, or maybe a little earlier so that we can get a warmup game in for everyone who has forgotten how to play
tight fog
<@&886435187993481267> my promised re-ping slightly earlier, for the several of you who said you'd be around tomorrow yesterday.
onyx arch
I'm actually available!
tight fog
🎉
dawn forum
arglbargle i'm actually not because i have a prior exceedpointment
this sucks
it was like "sometime in the morning" and got delayed til now :c
tight fog
:(
understandable I guess
frigid gate
I just got home
tight fog
I can probably play tomorrow, I don't think I have anything on
how is this tomorrow looking Misc
frigid gate
gimme a couple mins and I'll be there
tight fog
that makes 4!
onyx arch
My server is up, password is lancer
quasi skiff
I can be there in five minutes if everyone's still going
buoyant cliff
Good games, folks
frigid gate
so I have no saved commander layouts, are there any presets out there in the wild that are useful?
tight fog
<@&886435187993481267> Hey, I've got a free-ish weekend coming up and was wondering if folks would be interested in trying to get a large-scale PvP game going some time this weekend, ideally around <t:1771182000:F> .
dawn forum
oooh
i'd be into that... god I wanna make sure i haevn't triple booked myself on sunday
but i think i'm free
late egret
damn. i will unfortunately be tanks (tyr playtest) 😔
quasi skiff
tanks is an hour after that, I could fit in some Zero-K
tight fog
oh the tyr playtest is then huh
I haven't followed that too much
but that's just kind of the vague time I have free, in theory I'm available earlier than that too
tight fog
Also, if someone could ping again tomorrow at a more "The europeans are awake" time, please do!
I know that's where some of the usual crowd is, and there's usually some better overlap on the weekend that I can't really ping at the right time during the week.
frigid gate
I'd be down
haughty girder
<@&886435187993481267> Hey, I've got a free-ish weekend coming up and was wonder...
<@&886435187993481267> Time still holding?
tight fog
Still works for me
tight fog
Thijs and I are finishing up a Mechabellum round then will hop on over
<@&886435187993481267> The time has come.
frigid gate
how many of the gamers are around
onyx arch
tight fog
tanks is an hour after that, I could fit in some Zero-K
Think you'll be able to fit in that Zero-K?
quasi skiff
In a couple of minutes
Never mind something came up, start without me
I'll catch game 2 if there is one
dawn forum
@quasi skiff poke
tight fog
tl;dr I basically have every other weekend off at this time, so I can poke around for more games at those times.
frigid gate
the biweekly zero k event
strong heath
Such a shame that that time is 2 AM for me 😭
I guess this means I should step up and make my own calls for games
onyx arch
Yes, I'd be down
Also realized right after leaving VC that even though I made cloaky work there, shieldbots would've been a way better choice to play into that chokepoint on Angel's Crossing
tight fog
<@&886435187993481267> I'm back to my free weekend, would folks be interested in getting together for some PvP games tomorrow? Some time around <t:1772388000:f> , though the time is pretty flexible there.
frigid gate
I should be there
quasi skiff
I can play a few
dawn forum
I'm not sure I'll be around, I'll try to be but no promises
Just having a wonky week
I'm in wonky space
glass ermine
I intend to show up for this but I'm running late, will probably be half an hour so I'll catch game 2
tight fog
in a board game so I'll be late
Relying on my own excuse of "time is flexible there"
oh good I'm not the only one
glass ermine
Oh, convenient
tight fog
alright. going to grab some very late breakfast then ping
<@&886435187993481267> Anyone up for some PvP games?
onyx arch
I also just had a late breakfast and am ready to go
glass ermine
👋
buoyant cliff
yep
quasi skiff
a story in three parts
onyx arch
Having VC connection issues
quasi skiff
frigid gate
I gotta do some practice games against AI or something to get the hang of this game properly again
onyx arch
Well, if you poke me I can do teaching games
distant glade
I'd be down
glass ermine
how do you actually make riot units effective? I feel like they're the unit class I never build, but I've seen people who aren't me use at least ogres pretty effectively
it just feels weird that they can't catch raiders AND don't really do great into laser turrets or skirmishers
onyx arch
They're there to get in the way of raiders when they go for your skirmishers/etc
If you have good sensor coverage or map knowledge, they can be used to intercept raiders going for your mexes/power/etc too
glass ermine
do you need them in quantity or do you just get like 1 in a bigger group of skirmishers?
so far I mostly have like a ball of raiders and a ball of skirmishers that stay near enough to cover each other and I just try to win raider v raider if they dive my skirmishers
but I guess that is less efficient than having a riot...
strong heath
I try forming my main forces using a 1:1:1 mix of the three basic types
While I send my Raiders out early I usually have a few Riots making their way to the frontlines to keep the ground I just gained
I'd give exact numbers if Riots weighed equally between factories but they don't sooo
onyx arch
do you need them in quantity or do you just get like 1 in a bigger group of skir...
You may need multiple, basically enough they can't get overwhelmed
The longer the game goes and the bigger armies get, the more you need
tight fog
I try forming my main forces using a 1:1:1 mix of the three basic types
1 crab: 1 flea: 1 recluse, got it
onyx stratus
Yeah I think riots are best thought of as mobile turrets - the most cost effective damage hose with a limited range and vulnerable to nut-cracking efforts
You don't wanna have too many, since yeah depending on what you want to do it's better to amass raiders or assaults most of the time
But broadly, the times you want a riot is the times you want something in your mobile forced to make it harder for someone to plow another mobile force into it without repercussions
While not ideal for the role they can usually put a serious dent into assaults as well, especially the single target guys like the recluse or mace
I think the math was that three maces can melt through a minotaur in about six seconds
and that the mino can't kill them back fast enough
quasi skiff
Maces are admittedly extremely large riots
See also Ogres, which are more or less "generic combat unit" and will happily eat more or less anything
onyx stratus
Ogres are kinda terrible as a general combat unit
primarily because their HP is ass
for their speed and range
it's still a tank, it's beefier than any other riot and has the most HP of all of them relatively speaking, but hoo boy can it not outrun anything faster than a thug
but maybe I just haven't seen them used effectively for that
they definitely embody the essence of the riot though
which is "raiders are not getting past me"
quasi skiff
they're tough enough that your average pack of early-game units tend to bounce off a couple of them, although you do need something to screen them
ogre/blitz is a fun time because anything the blitzes stun gets obliterated by the rockets
(although it falls off a bit later when the really heavy stuff comes out)
late egret
they're tough enough that your average pack of early-game units tend to bounce o...
my experience is Ogres is more along these lines yeah
you build an early pair and screen, then you start transitioning into minotaur production ASAP and using them instead as backline support
they're a vital tank unit (massive AoE, can flatten terrain, etc) but much like any unit is not really going to operate well solo
especially if you're doing the tank thing of "retreating wounded units" which, as tank, requires you to have a frontline to hold off anyone who'd try chase retreating vehicles
and just rotate them out
quasi skiff
I had a surprisingly good time with 4x ogre 3x blitz as an early-ish timing
but I admit if my opponents had more heavies it would have gone poorly
late egret
thats largely the math yeah
buoyant cliff
I can't beat a Hard ai
onyx arch
In like a 1v1 skirmish?